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A
B
C
's
invocation
is
a
prayer
adapted
from
Saint
Augustine's
prayer
over
over
a
thousand
years
ago.
That's
what
he
said
in
whom
we
live
and
move
and
have
our
being.
C
You
have
made
us
for
yourself
so
that
our
hearts
are
restless
until
they
find
their
rest
in
you
grant
our
elected
officials,
purity
of
heart
and
strength
of
purpose
that
no
selfish
passion,
May
hinder
them
from
knowing
your
will
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
no
weakness
from
doing
it,
but
that,
in
your
light
we
each
may
see
light
and
in
your
service
and
in
the
service
of
the
city.
We
all
may
discover
perfect.
Freedom,
amen,
amen,.
A
A
Before
we
get
started,
I
have
two
announcements:
one
item,
22
ordinance,
20
22-11,
future
land
use
application
for
the
Liberty
stable
second
reading's
been
deferred
until
November
8
2022..
A
The
second
announcement
is
with
us
tonight
is
Ms
Aaron
Jackson
who's
filling
in
as
the
City
attorney
she's,
with
Johnson,
Jackson
and
she'll,
be
with
us
this
evening,
I
think
for
one
or
two
more
meetings
as
well.
Thank
you,
okay.
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
D
Mr
Gattis
good
evening
on
there,
sir
David
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
I
live
at
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor.
Historically
this
time
of
year.
Many
of
us
would
congregate
down
at
the
old
Coachman
Park
in
Clearwater
to
attend
the
annual
jazz
festival
holiday
to
listen
to
some
of.
D
C
C
C
F
F
F
in
righteousness,
you
will
be
established.
Tyranny
will
be
far
from
you.
You
will
have
nothing
to
fear.
Terror
will
be
far
removed.
It
will
not
come
near
you.
If
anyone
does
attack
you,
it
will
not
be
my
doing
whoever
attacks
you
will
surrender
to
you.
No
weapon
forged
against.
You
will
prevail
and
you
will
refute
every
tongue
that
accuses
you.
This
is
the
heritage
of
the
Servants
of
the
Lord,
and
this
is
their
Vindication
from
me.
F
Lastly,
in
the
comments
around
5
hours
and
24
minutes
in
Nicholas,
I
didn't
catch
his
last
name.
Thank
you.
There
are
other
people
who
thanked
you
before,
but
he
reiterated
how
things
are
done,
how
lobbyists
work
behind
the
scenes
and
I
thought.
F
Commissioner
Eisner
did
an
excellent
job
of
showing
how
much
staff
time
was
devoted
to
this
and
I
know
you're
talking
about
one
of
the
things
for
a
recovery
fee
for
emergency,
but
maybe
you
also
need
to
start
looking
at
a
staff
recovery
fee
when
these
projects
that
are
so
big
take
so
much
more
of
your
time.
It's
not
just
a
regular
function
of
staff
duty.
F
A
G
E
C
C
Hello,
yes,
if
you
could
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
1602
Gulf
Beach,
Boulevard,
Tarpon
Springs,
three,
four,
six,
eight
nine.
So
it
was
mentioned
at
the
previous
meeting
that
an
email
was
sent
out
from
City
staff
to
alert
at
Armstrong
that
Peter
delacos
was
mentioning
the
74
acre,
Walmart
owned
property.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
taking
place,
but
I
hope
that
they
have
to
pay
somebody
to
watch
these
meetings
or
they're
in.
G
Fact
watching
them
right
now,
and
that
goes
for
trash
dagno,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
they're.
G
Meetings
as
well,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
Mr
Camille.
C
Understands
that
we
haven't
even
got
started
yet,
but
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
stuff
that
you
were
lied
to
about.
He
lied
to
you
Armstrong
and
the
the
bully
lied
to
you
ask
your
new
attorney
about
those
lies
that
we're
told.
C
Permits
from
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
I
know
at
least
one
of
you
investigated
it
and
know
for
a
fact
that
you're
lied
to.
So
all
of
these
ethically
challenged
attorneys
perhaps
need
to
have
an
Ethics
complaint
filed
by
the
city
and
a
bar
complaint.
I
believe
that
that
came
up
at
the
last
meeting
and
so
that
you
can
seriously
consider
that
put
that
on
as
an
agenda
item
so
that
everybody
can
discuss
it
and
decide
exactly
what
route
you're
going
to
go,
because
I'm
here
to
remind
them
I,
hope,
they're.
C
Listening
that
the
Army
Corps
is
where
this
project
will
stop
the
brakes
are
gonna
Screech.
There
will
be
no
tearing
up
of
that
land.
There
will
be
no
Paving
of
any
Wetlands,
it's
not
going
to
happen
and
they
better
pray
could
have
been
one
harmed
gopher
tortoise
on
that
land
because
that's
being
investigated.
A
A
Four:
okay:
hang
on
a
second:
what
we
do
to
what,
under
the
rules
of
procedure,
we've
got
Mr
Salzman
here,
who's
our
litigation
attorney,
and
we
have
a
dental
addendum
item
number
one.
A
Under
our
rules
of
procedure,
I'm
allowed
to
deviate
from
our
rules
for
Exodus
circumstances
and,
quite
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
if
fiduciary
responsibility
is
one
of
these
but
I'd
hate
for
Mr
salesman
to
be
waiting
around
here
until
9
30
at
night.
To
get
this
thing
done
so
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
move
it
into
item
number
one
up,
so
we
can
get
it
in
before
7
30.
A
and
it's
discussion
of
authorization
for
the
city's
litigation
attorney
to
follow.
Motion
to
State
Court
proceedings.
In
a
matter
of
concerned,
citizens
versus
Camille
Solomon,
Morgan
group
in
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
point
of
order
mayor.
A
A
Well,
I
asked
whether
there
was
any
comments,
whether
anyone
wanted
to
pull
anything
and
that
was
to
find
out
if
we
didn't
have
any.
If
we
didn't
have
any
comments
on
any
of
the
consent
items,
I
would
move
ahead
and
do
the
consent
agenda.
So
we
don't
get
tied
up
with
discussion
on
those
and
take
us
to
7
30,
but
because
there's
going
to
be
comments
from
at
least
two
Commissioners
on
three
items,
I've
decided
to
exercise
my
responsibility
and
Duty
under
presiding
over
this
meeting.
A
Okay
with
us,
we
have
Mr
Andrew
salesman
of
Eunice
thousand
Jensen,
who
is
taking
over
the
litigation
for
the
concerned.
Citizens,
rich
certiori
and
the
Colson
case
concerning
the
include
Harbor
apartment
projects.
Mr
Salzman
will
be
representing
the
city
in
that
matter,
and
I've
got
my
memorandum
that
I
provided
as
backup
and
the
and
on
that
item
I
think
it's
pretty
much
self-explanatory.
A
Basically,
it
stems
from
a
meeting
that
a
question
that
I
had
for
Mr
dagnal,
who
is
our
litigator
on
that
matter
prior
to
October
9th,
and
he
was
unable
to
answer
the
question.
A
I
had
I
spoke
to
city
manager
about
perhaps
getting
one
of
our,
for
example,
Ms
Jackson,
to
answer
the
question
and
he
preferred
to
wait
until
we
get
our
new
litigator
on
board,
which
I
I
agreed
with
that
so
Mr
southman
came
on
board
and
I
contacted
him,
asked
him
the
same
question
and
he
basically
concurred
on
the
motion
and
also
I
asked
whether
he
believed
that
we
needed
City
commission
approval
to
move
ahead
with
that.
He
believed
we
did
and
therefore
we
have
that
as
an
agenda
item
this
evening.
A
So
I,
don't
have
anything
more
to
say
the
memorandum
speaks
for
itself,
but
basically
it's
to
ask
the
judge
to
hold
the
court
proceedings
on
the
rich
certiori
writ
of
certiori
until
the
special
counsel
is
completed.
His
investigation
and
Mr
Salzman
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
concern
from
the
Commissioners,
but
let
me
go
to
public
comments
first
and
are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
matter?.
C
You
might
ask
this
gentleman
how
to
get
out
of
this
mess.
Perhaps
you
could
have
him
read
that
settlement
letter
that
clay
Coulson
sent
to
you
and
your
City
attorney
lied
to
you
about
and
said
it
wasn't.
A
settlement
said
right
on
there
settlement.
Let
this
gentleman
read
it
and
say:
is
that
in
fact
a
settlement
because
it
says
it
is
so
maybe
you
can
settle
the
case
and
just
walk
away.
C
C
I,
don't
know
if
we'll
still
do
that,
but
he
I'm
sure
he
will
settle
as
long
as
you
admit
that
he
has
a
right
to
record
public
hearings
and
that
it
was
an
improperly
granted
order
to
the
Morgan
group.
Do
those
two
things
I
guarantee
that
he
can
be
persuaded
to
settle
the
case,
so
that
seems
like
the
cheapest
route,
quickest
way
out
and
I
understand
you're
going
to
draft
something
in
the
way
of
the
stay
to
the
court.
C
F
Good
evening,
sir,
to
meet
you
welcome
to
Tarpon
Springs.
Thank
you.
I
really
was
hoping
to
wait
till
after
everything
was
decided
to
basically
say
something.
F
That's
been
submitted
not
only
from
us
but
from
other
parties,
but
as
far
as
this
particular
aspect,
I
think
it's
important
to
let
the
court
know
to
say:
hey,
there's
a
whole
lot
more
going
on
that
we're
learning
about
and
we'd
like
to
clear
things
up
and
then
once
we
know
where
or
how
we
want
to
proceed,
you
would
advise
the
court
at
that
time.
They
may
come
back
and
say
no.
We
already
have
enough
information
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that,
but
you
do
have
an
opportunity
now.
L
C
A
B
This
is
from
attorney
Scott
McLaren,
hillward,
Henderson
Commissioners.
Our
firm
represents
the
Morgan
group.
I
am
writing
to
express
Morgan's
objection
to
the
board
authorizing
the
filing
of
a
motion
to
stay
in
the
matter
of
concerned
citizens
versus
Camille
salami
Morgan
group
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
First,
the
cities
engagement
with
attorney
Andrew
Salzman
is
void.
Ab
initio,
as
it
was
done
in
violation
of
Sunshine
Law.
The
city's
Charter
provides
that
the
board
shall
appoint
a
City
attorney.
Yet
no
public
meeting
was
noticed
or
held
concerning
Mr
Solomon's
appointment.
B
Further,
the
suggested
stay
would
violate
Morgan's
vested
right
to
develop
its
land
consistent
with
the
development
orders.
The
board
already
took
the
legal
action
of
staying
the
city's
approved
development
orders.
Now
it
is
attempting
to
stay
the
court
proceedings
indefinitely,
while
the
city's
alleged
special
counsel
conducts
an
investigation.
The
proposed
day
would
one
violate
Morgan's
constitutional
guarantee
of
equal
protection
under
the
law
to
constitute
a
taking
of
Morgan's
property
rights
without
compensation
and
three
import
impose
an
inordinate
burden
on
Morgan's
ability
to
develop.
B
The
property
has
already
approved
by
the
city,
resulting
in
a
violation
of
the
Bert
Harris
act.
Finally,
allowing
mayor
vatic
yodis
to
act
as
liaison
between
the
board
and
the
City
attorney
is
improper.
The
city
Charter
provides
that
the
City
attorney
Shall
Serve
solely
at
the
pleasure
of
the
entire
Board
of
Commissioners,
not
a
single
commissioner.
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Jacobs,
just
for
a
couple
of
comments
concerning
that
email
for
clarification.
Since
it
mentioned
my
name,
I'm,
not
a
liaison
to
Mr
Salzman
I
was
a
liaison
to
the
special
counsel
and
also
the
separate
litigation
attorney
that
would
take
Mr
salzman's
place
at
some
point
in
the
future.
My
role
as
liaison
is
done
in
that
I've
completed
my
work
with
Mrs
Lewis
to
get
those
RPS
together
and
they
should
have
been
issued.
A
Hopefully
you'll
be
getting
candidates
on
those
two
attorneys
or
firms
at
the
first
meeting
of
December,
so
you
can
take
over
from
there
as
far
as
your
selection
of
those
two
attorneys
as
far
as
Mr
Salzman
being
here
tonight,
the
the
reason
is
because
again
it
was
a
follow-up
to
a
question
that
I
had
to
Mr
dagnall.
Who
is
our
litigation
attorney
at
the
time
he
couldn't?
A
He
was
unable
to
answer
the
question
and,
and
then
I
waited
until
Mr
salesman
was
on
board
and
I
want
to
ask
Mr
licorice
a
question:
Mr
salzman's
only
role
with
the
city
right
now
is
the
litigator
on
these
two
cases.
Is
that
correct
all.
A
Also
with
regard
to
violating
rights.
All
we're
doing
is
asking
the
judge,
a
question
and
it's
up
to
the
judge
to
decide
what
he
wants
to
do
with
that
question,
how
he
wants
to
answer
it
and
then,
if
he
grants
the
state,
then
Mr
McLaren
can
take
the
matter
up
with
the
judge.
But
this
evening
Mr
Salzman
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
So
let
me
let
me
start
with
those
vice
mayor,
Lunt.
M
M
I
am
actually
surprised
on
this.
That
Trask
was
even
mentioned,
and
copied
on
this
I
have
no
idea
why
they
would
copy
our
ex-attorney
on
what
appears
to
be
some
sort
of
facetious
objection
to
whatever
we're
doing
so.
M
Mr
Salzman
I,
hope
you
know
what
you're
up
to
when
when
you
have
to
deal
with
this
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
I'm,
a
pretty
good
student
of
law
I
find
several
of
the
the
the
things
that
have
occurred
during
this
by
Hill
Ward
Henderson
to
be
a
little
bit
on
the
facetious
and
pressing
side,
so
I'm
I
hope
you're
well
aware
of
what
you're
what
you're
going
to
deal
with
and
I
look
forward
to
it.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
A
K
Yeah
a
couple
things
I'm,
not
the
subject
line
is
not
subject
to
public
records
until
the
conclusion
of
litigation,
but
then
it's
all
in
our
backup,
so
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
interesting,
so
I
just
want
to
understand.
Mr
salesman
is
our
Gap
attorney
for
litigation.
Only
so
if
you
have
six
or
seven
different
lawsuits
going
on
outside
of
even
anklet,
Harbors
he's
still
going
to
be
handling
those
mark.
G
Yes,
except
for
the
ones
that
and
I'll,
get
a
list
of
those
as
we're
putting
together
there.
There
are
certain
cases
that
are
being
defended
by
the
Florida
League
of
cities
and
our
insurance
carrier
they're.
The
Chooser
of
the
attorney
for
that
and
they've
they've
hired
a
term
for
Orlando
I
believe
there's
only
four
of
those
cases
again
that
we
don't
have
control
of
hiring
attorney
because
it's
a
suit,
that's
handled
by
our
insurance
company.
G
This
is
the
this
is
the
litigation
that
is
not
involved
with
the
Florida
city
that
he'll
be
handling
okay,.
G
I
did
it
from
the
from
the
last
meeting
in
your
Authority
as
I'm
working
on
the
assignments.
Obviously,
the
first
need
I
had
after
the
meeting
Tuesday
night
was
to
get
this
litigation
and
there's
papers
I
had
to
sign
and
get
it
all
changed
over,
not
only
with
the
league
of
cities
from
that
so
I
chose
Mr
Salzman
for
to
do
the
litigation
work.
Okay,.
G
She
was,
she
was
very
early
in
the
process.
We
had
nobody
to
at
least
guarantee
me
the
first
two
or
three
meetings
of
this
board.
Obviously
she's
a
labor
attorney.
That's
worked
with
us
for
a
long
time,
so
she's
doing
that
and
helping
us
helping
us
right
now
on
some
of
the
other
items.
We
need
some
symbols,
it's
the
attorneys
still
for
so.
K
With
a
couple
attorneys
here,
I
need
to
understand
a
little
bit
more,
so
there's
a
motion
to
stay
currently
that
the
city
made
I
think
we
did
that
as
a
board
or
the
board
decided
to
do
that.
This
is
in
addition
to
that
am
I
understanding
that
are
you
familiar
with
the
motion
to
stay?
That's
currently
in
place.
C
I
could
honestly
tell
you
that
I've
been
waiting
for
the
files
from
your
previous
litigation,
Council
okay
and
have
not
received
them
yet
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
Mr
dagno
about
the
what
was
pending
with
the
litigation.
There's
only
a
few
cases
that
actually
have
anything.
That's
really
going
on.
I
discuss
this
matter
with
both
the.
C
As
to
whether
or
not
it
would
be
appropriate
to
at
least
request
the
court
to
stay
this
matter,
while
you're
doing
this
pending
investigation
to
determine
whether
or
not
there
is
additional
information
which
the
court
needs
to
be
made.
Aware
of
so
from
that
standpoint
that
that's
solely
the
aspect
that
I've
looked
at
and
I'm
before
you
here.
K
K
C
K
C
Day
would
be
asking
the
court
to
hold
off
on
all
litigation
pending
the
internal
review
that
you
were
going
through
with
Council.
That.
K
A
Ms
Lewis
and
I,
actually
Ms
Lewis
put
the
RFP
together.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
out
on
the
street
I
I
believe
it
probably
is:
okay,
I
can't
see
her,
but
in
any
case
that's.
K
A
K
And
then
just
so
I'm
understanding
correctly,
so
that
the
two
steps
one's
the
motion
to
stay.
The
second
is
to
be
to
ask
the
mayor's
asking
to
be
the
liaison
between
Mr
Salzman.
A
Well,
that's
Mr
Salzman
had
requested
that
and
I'll.
Let
you
explain
why
your
your
rationale
for
that
normally.
C
When
I
handle
litigation
for
municipality,
I
speak
with
the
city
manager
just
discussing
what
we're
doing,
keeping
them
informed
see
if
there's
any
issues.
My
understanding
in
this
particular
case
that
that
may
not
necessarily
be
as
appropriate,
so
I'm
asking
for
someone
whether
it's
the
mayor
or
someone
authorized
for
me
to
talk
to.
C
No
with
the
pending,
if
anything
else
comes
up
in
the
meantime,
while
I'm,
serving
as
your
Gap
attorney
for
all
pending
litigation
for
all
pending
litigation,
a
lot
of
times
what
I
would
do
is
talk
to
the
City
attorney
I
understand,
obviously
that
you're
you
have
an
interim
for
that.
So
I
need
somebody
with
some
institutional
knowledge
and
the
ability
to
at
least
contact
on
these.
G
K
K
Okay,
I,
don't
know
it
just
seems
odd.
That
I
think
the
these
are
only
questions.
They're,
not
comments
right
now,
right
there
asking.
A
Me
yeah.
Basically,
it
is
odd.
A
The
commission
made
a
decision
to
keep
the
city
manager
out
of
this
for
obvious
reasons
because
of
the
investigation,
quite
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
how
this
is
going
to
work
until
we
get
to
the
very
first
question
that
Mr
Salzman
will
have
concerning
a
case
and
then
I'll
have
to
deal
with
that.
I'd
probably
talk
to
the
city
manager
and
it
would
just
have
to
deal
with
it.
That's
all
I,
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
right
now
how
that's
going
to
work
yeah.
K
K
K
It
I
brought
this
up
in
the
past
is
that
in
the
last
meeting
we
do
have
an
internal
auditor
he's
a
third
party
not
on
anybody's
team
other
than
he
reports
directly
to
the
board
I'm
going
to
make
the
same
recommendation
that
all
communication
should
go
through
him
and
you
can
put
it
out
to
the
board
and
that
board
can
respond
back
to
him
and
he
can
respond
to
you.
That
would
be
my
recommendation,
but
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
rest
of
the
board,
decide
what
they
want
to
do.
K
A
There's
there's
two
things:
I
was
liaison
for
putting
the
rfps
together
for
our
special
counsel
and
for
the
litigation,
the
litigation
attorney.
That
would
be
the
permanent
litigation
attorney
okay,
and
that
was
for
the
RPS
that
my
role
in
that
is
complete.
We
received
an
email
from
Mr
McLaren,
identifying
me
as
a
liaison
in
this
particular
situation,
with
a
request
for
Mr
Salzman
I'm,
not
a
liaison
right
now.
A
A
J
Wasn't
that
you
were
going
to
gain
all
the
information
and
distribute
to
us,
we
were
all
going
to
have
free
access
to
anything
that
Mr
Salzman
has
that's
what
I
understood.
I
didn't
understand
what
was
just
explained
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
single
person
dealing
so
I
didn't
understand.
What
was
being
explained
is
about
about
going
to
somebody
else,
but
right
well,
mayor.
A
C
J
J
C
Was
putting
everything
on
a
thumb,
drive
and
providing
it
to
me?
I
know
that
he
brought
some
files
this
week
over
to
the
clerk's
office.
I
think
those
were
prior
non,
not
not
cases
that
were
in
active
litigation,
so
we
are
communicating
I
just
haven't
received
them
yet,
okay,
we
did.
We
had
to
do
the
substitution
of
counsel
first,
which
we
did
and
it's
a
little
convoluted
when
you
do
that
and
I
worked
that
through
with
the
city
manager
and
now
I'm,
just
waiting
to
see
the
files.
J
C
J
Well,
I'm,
sorry
that
that's
the
case,
because
we
can't
then
ask-
but
you
know:
I
know
that
in
the
past
there's
been
a
request
made
by
a
City
Commissioner
and
myself
and
we've.
Neither
one
of
us
have
gotten
a
response
or
an
answer.
So
I
was
just
curious.
How
long
do
you
wait
before
you
feel
enough?
Time
has
gone
by
that
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
the
next
step
is.
C
I
would
expect
to
I
know
it.
It
takes
a
little
time.
Obviously,
if
they're
transferring
things
onto
a
thumb,
drive
I,
don't
know
who's
doing
it.
It
takes
them
a
little
while
to
do
that.
Okay,
it's
not!
It
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
time
where
I
would
sit
there
and
say:
there's
a
problem:
I,
don't
think
that
we're
getting
a.
J
Hundred
percent
cooperation
I
just
want
to
check,
so
would
you
be
able
to?
Let
us
know
if
there
is
an
issue?
Absolutely
okay.
The
rest
of
my
questions
were
answered
by
your
response,
because
I
would
have
asked
you
about
the
Scott
McLaren
letter
that
we
received
today.
So
thank
you
appreciate
your
help.
I
C
There
was
a
case
we're
going
back,
Maybe
10
years
involving
the
city
of
Treasure
Island,
where
I
believe
they
were
a
party
that
we
worked
together
as
can
kind
of
code
defendants
on
that
resolve,
an
issue
I've
been
up
against
them
too.
Okay,.
I
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
Mr
sauceman,
so
we've
got
two
matters
here
ahead
of
us.
One
is
to
authorize
Mr
Salzman
to
proceed
with
a
motion
to
stay
and
then
the
second
item
is
the
appointment
of
the
liaison.
If
I
could
have
two
separate
motions
to
that
effect.
Let's
take
the
authorize.
The
motion
first.
B
B
B
K
A
Yes,
now
the
second
motion
concerning
a
liaison
and
like
a
a
motion
for
naming
a
liaison
and
also
a
second,
please.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you,
Mr
Salzman,
all
right.
Let's
move
back
to
the
consent,
but
I
agenda
item.
A
We're
going
to
pull
I
believe
it
was
three
and
six,
and
was
there
one
more
four,
four,
okay.
A
Okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion
to
approve
yeah
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
right!
Let's
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion
to
approve
items.
One
two:
five,
seven,
eight
and
nine
number
one
is
the
attorney's
fees.
Johnson
Jackson
number
two
is
authorized
execution
of
DEA
task
force.
Agreement
number
five
is
award
file,
two
three:
zero
zero,
two
nine-c-as
fire
equipment
supplies
and
service
item.
A
Seven
is
renew
file
number
two:
zero:
zero
zero
one:
four
dash
CDs
JL
liquid
carbon
dioxide
number
Eight's
award
file;
two:
three:
zero:
zero:
three:
zero
dash
n,
a
s
single
Source
purchase
of
Hawk
equipment
could
be
pronounced,
hatch
equipment
any
and
number
nine
award
file;
230031-n-as
single
Source
purchase
of
airvac
replacement
parts.
C
A
Let's
have
roll
call,
please.
Oh
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
motion.
J
To
approve
consent
agenda
one
two:
five,
seven,
eight,
nine
second.
A
J
Just
wanted
to
you
know
remind
the
board
again
that
when
we
purchase
anything,
we're
purchasing
a
repairs
and
maintenance
to
everything
that
we
purchase,
so
it's
just
anytime
I'm,
going
to
see
a
police
vehicle,
a
fire
truck
or
anything
any
sort
of
thing
like
this
and
they
all
come
with
increases.
So
what
we're
originally
pricing
and
and
agreeing
to
is
not
the
end.
It
always
seems
to
go
up
so
I
just
wanted
to.
You
know,
make
the
board
aware
on
things
like
that
that
it's
you
got
the
maintenance
that
goes
with
it.
A
A
Okay,
I
did
ask
for
public
comments
on
that
item.
Is
that
right,
I
did
not?
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
item
three.
C
A
This
time,
okay,
thank
you.
If
there
are
no
other
commission
comments
to
know
another,
then
let's
go
to
roll
call.
Please.
B
B
I
I
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
city
manager
and
City
staff.
We
talked
about
a
little
bit
over
a
year
ago,
just
bringing
some
extra
festive
cheer
to
other
neighborhoods
in
the
community
and
there
will
be
some
additional
displays
over
by
Harrison
Street,
and
you
know,
Dorset,
Park
and
and
so
I'm
very
happy
and
proud
that
we're
able
to
help
to
spearhead
this
and
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
J
Yes,
I
know
we
can't
do
it
this
year,
but
I
did
speak
with
the
city
manager
that
we
might
consider
in
the
future,
using
our
CRA
funds
to
possibly
to
pay
for
this
and
then
not
have
to
utilize
our
own
funds
to
pay
for
this,
so
that
you
know
it's
still.
It's
a
beautification
and
I
think
we
can
use
other
forms
of
funds,
but
I
know
this
year,
it's
a
little
too
late
to
do
that,
but
we
can
look
forward
to
doing
that
in
the
future.
Great
yeah.
C
A
Any
other
commission
comments
public
comments,
any
public
comments
concerning
the
Christmas
decorations.
A
At
this
time,
thank
you
Motion
in
a
second
please,
or
did
we
do
that
motion.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Both
roll
call
please,
commissioner,.
B
I
I
J
You
mayor
this
is
again
the
same
thing.
My
question
is:
are
we
buying
too
many
vehicles?
Are
we
utilizing
them
to
its
fullest
because
with
them
come
the
repairs
and
that's
pretty
much?
What
I
need
to
I'm
going
to
keep
hammering
away
at
that?
It's
we
can
blow
a
budget
just
by
buying,
and
you
know,
staying
on
top
of
the
maintenance,
so
I
do
want
to
have
strong
consideration
in
the
future
of
whether
we
need
that
and
what
what
impact
it
has
versus
how
much
it
helps.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eisner.
Are
there
any
other
commission
comments
concerning
the
assignment?
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item?
This
is
increase
file,
number
210067
motor
vehicle
parts.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve.
Please
motion.
B
A
Mayor
matakiotis,
yes,
Mr
licorice
item
10
is
next.
Do
you
think
we
could
do
that
in
10
minutes.
G
A
Can
we
can
do
the
fdp
grants
if
you'd
like
Yes,
W?
Okay?
Why
don't
we,
for
the
sake
of
time,
go
to
item
13,
approve
fdp
standard
Grant
agreement,
Amendment
for
funding
for
construction
of
Mango,
Street
safety
and
drainage
improvements,
Mr
lacouras,
yes,
Mr
Robertson,.
D
We
yeah
real
quick
on
those.
These
items
were
asking
the
board
to
to
approve
I'll
start
with
item
13..
This
is
the
grant
agreement
from
dep
this
is
the
state
grant
for
925
000
for
Mango
Street
construction,
I
apologize
for
a
typo
in
the
recommendation.
It
says
952
000,
so
swap
those
two
numbers,
so
it's
9.25.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item.
A
You
commission
comments
vice
mayor
alone,.
M
K
Yeah,
real
quick:
this
is
a
925
000
more
than
what
we
initially
asked
for
by
the
state.
Obviously,
this
is
something
we
might
totally
support
and
I'm
happy
that
the
staff
spent
some
time
to
apply
for
this.
The
representative's
office
and
the
governor
signed
it
so
I
appreciate
that
the
one
comment
I
wouldn't
make
is
that
we
need
to
look
at
what
projects
we're
looking
at
for
this
next
fiscal
year
and
plan
for
that
as
well
too.
K
A
Commissioneros
no
comment:
yeah
and
Mr
licorice
I
asked
Mr,
of
course,
whether
both
Grant
applications
and
contracts
are
reviewed
by
an
attorney,
and
they
were
so
that's
done.
No
further
comments
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second,
please.
B
B
I
A
D
K
Thanks
mayor,
this
is
a
area
of
Tarpon
Springs.
That's
flooded
for
many
many
years.
It's
great
that
the
state
was
able
to
put
funding
behind
us
that
we
don't
spend
City
dollars
behind
it.
It's
traveled
by
pretty
much
everyone
in
the
city,
all
the
different
schools,
emergency
vehicles,
Etc.
So
I'm
really
excited
to
see
this
one
get
started
my
question:
Bob!
Is
there
a
start
date
yet.
D
J
I
A
Okay,
Mr
Robertson
I.
We
do
have
that
tied
to
this
is
kind
of
an
urgent
project
and
I'm.
Just
mentioning
this
for
the
sake
of
everybody,
that's
here,
and
it
really
is
tied
to
commencement
which
you're
going
to
talk
about
a
little
later,
I
think
right
on
the
Anclote
River
Bridge
Beckett,
Bridge
second
bridge
okay
and
which
is
late
2023.
So
we
have
to
have
this
done
by
that
time
frame.
D
A
Okay
and
as
far
as
the
elevations
and
everything
those
have
been
worked
out
and
they're
tied
to
what
is
being
proposed
for
The
Whitcomb
Bayou
area
plan
as
well.
Is
that
correct
so.
A
Then
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Craig,
Park
c-wall
and
Spring
Bayou
sidewalks
and
and
how
that's
integrated
with
the
wood
can
Bayou
as
well.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
from
everybody's
perspective,
we're
not
looking
at
this
project
in
isolation.
We're
we're
tying
it
to
everything
else,
we're
doing
in
that
area
to
try
and
get
this
flooding
abatement
in
hand,
and
when
it's
done
it's
done,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
some
other
things
regarding
the
city.
A
Yes,
all
right:
it's
7,
27.
I'm
gonna,
pause
there
for
three
minutes.
We
actually
have
to
wait
three
minutes
mandatorily
to
to
not
begin
the
ordinances
until
7
30..
A
A
A
2022-37,
it's
a
quasi-judicial
process.
It
involves
time
more
restoration,
it
classic
cars
and
so
forth,
and
it's
on
l,
r,
Industrial
Boulevard
I'm
going
to
ask
the
City
attorney
to
read
the
ordinance
and
it
is
an
ordinance
resolution
by
title
and
go
through
the
quasi-judicial
proceedings
and
also
swearing
any
witnesses.
There
are
here.
H
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
and
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
H
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
C
A
E
G
E
Thank
you.
This
is
application
22-92
for
Time
Warp
garage.
This
is
a
conditional
use
application.
The
property
in
question
is
located
at
1400,
l,
r,
Industrial
Boulevard,
it's
particularly
one
small
unit
within
the
larger
complex
unit
A1,
the
land
use
of
zoning
on
the
property
is
Industrial
Limited
and
Industrial
restricted.
As
such,
our
code
does
require
or
considers
anything
that
would
have
a
paint
booth
as
major
auto
body,
and
so
it
does
kick
it
into
the
conditional
use
criteria,
and
that
specifically,
is
what
the
applicant
is
seeking
tonight.
E
He
has
stated
earlier:
he
does
classic
car
restoration
small
scale
and
does
have
the
need
of
a
paint
booth,
and
so
he
is
seeking
to
install
the
paint
booth
consistent
with
all
the
requirements
permitting
requirements
and
air
quality
requirements
and
whatnot.
So
that's
what
we're
seeking
this
evening
so
just
to
orient
everybody.
This
is
the
property
at
1400,
l,
r,
industrial
to
the
north.
We
have
the
city's
fire
station
and
Ro
plant
as
I
said
across
Illinois
industrial.
This
is
the
residential
and
Industrial
plan
development
of
Riverbend.
E
You
have
additional
industrial
to
the
South
and
that's
the
the
general
context
of
the
area
and
just
to
take
a
bit
of
a
closer
look.
The
unit
is
actually
located
in
this
portion
of
the
building.
This
is
a
multi-tenant
industrial
building,
Warehouse,
building
or
industrial
building,
and
then
so
you
see
the
breakout
of
all
the
different
tenants.
This
one
is
approximately
2
600
square
feet.
E
So
we
do
have
our
conditional
use
review
criteria
that
are
required
to
be.
You
must
find
to
have
a
positive
finding
of
one
is
conformance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
Number
two
is
the
proposed
use
is
appropriate
to
the
property
and
question
and
compatible
with
the
area.
As
I
stated,
this
is
developed
as
an
industrial
site
and
is
surrounded
by
industrial
and
three
sides
across
the
street
is
the
Riverbend
subdivision
is
residential,
but
there
is
a
natural
buffer
area
that
was
preserved
when
that
does
provide
a
densely
vegetated
buffer.
E
We
don't
think
that
the
application
the
applicant
would
excuse
me
that
The
Proposal
would
adversely
impact
historical
or
environmental
resources.
The
applicant
has
provided
documentation
that
the
paint
booth
will
meet
or
exceed
all
the
applicable
EPA
standards.
This
is
something
that's
also
regulated
through
the
Florida
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
and
their
air
quality
Division,
and
then
just
for
the
edification
of
anybody
that
may
want
to
know.
E
E
Criteria:
five
with
the
ad
use
adversely
affected
joining
property
values.
Again
this
is
within
an
industrial
area.
Already
the
the
entire
Riverbend
subdivision
was
predicated
on
that
you
know
clean
industrial
can
coexist
and
so
the
property
values
have
remained
stable
in
the
area,
even
with
the
Industrial
Development
going
on
around
them.
The
use
is
not
expected
to
adversely
impact
the
city's
ability
to
provide
public
facilities
and
again
this
is
an
existing
use.
It's
our
space!
That's
there!
E
So
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
resolution
22-30
2022-37,
granting
conditional
use
approval
for
the
vehicle
repair
with
the
paint
spray
booth
and
with
the
following
condition
that
they
do
obtain
all
the
necessary
building
permits.
They
are
in
process
of
applying
for
those
and
they're.
Just
in
a
holding
pattern
waiting
to
to
have
this
approval,
we
did
do
a
public
notice
within
500
feet
and
we
have
not
received
any
responses
as
a
result
of
public
notice.
E
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
did
review
this
at
their
October
17
meeting
and
recommended
approval,
but
it
was
a
unanimous
vote
and
there
was
no
public
comment
on
this
application.
Someone
did
speak
about
an
adjoining
another
property
that
backs
up
to
Jerusalem
Boulevard.
That
was
not
really
related,
but
it
was
a
venue
for
someone
to
talk
about
an
issue
that
they
were
having
and
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Vincent,
vice
mayor
blunt,
do
you
have
any
questions
I.
M
I,
actually
don't
have
any
questions.
I
actually
got
a
chance
to
review
the
finding
and
zoting
board
meeting
on
the
subject.
I
think
the
property
meets
exactly
the
intent
of
that
particular
property
and
I'm
happy
to
go
on
with
the
planning
and
children
board's
recommendation
to
approve.
K
Yeah
thanks
mayor
Renee,
thank
you
for
the
the
backup.
A
couple
quick
questions
when
notices
are
sent
out,
is
that
from
the
front
door
to
the
front
door
of
a
property,
or
is
that
like
by
airspace,
500
feet
so.
E
The
way
that
works,
we
will,
they
actually
got
sent
out
500
feet
from
the
larger
property
boundary
so
that
the
larger
property
here
I'm
sure
pointing
in
the
air
go
back
to
the
oops.
So
this
is
the
larger
parent
site.
If
you
will
so
a
500
foot
buffer
gets
snapped
around
that
and
anything
that
it
picks
up
is
what
gets
noticed.
Okay,
okay,
so
I
mean
just
I
mean
I
live
over
here
and
I
got
notice.
If
that
helps
you
any.
K
E
A
Yeah,
it's
pretty
good.
Just
your
presentation
will
come
up
just
if
you
have
any
questions
for
Mrs
Vincent,
no,
okay,
Ms
Vincent.
Would
you
like
your
presentation
added
to
the
to
the
record
big
part
of
the
record?
Yes,.
A
Right,
sir,
now
it's
your
turn
whatever
you'd
like
to
say.
C
Well,
I,
thank
you
all
for
considering
the
approval
for
this.
First
of
all,
just
to
let
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
you
know
probably
coming
a
part
of
your
community.
Here
we
were
an
existing
business
in
Clearwater
and,
unfortunately,
because
of
the
real
estate
market
earlier
this
year,
we're
forced
to
move.
So
here
we
are.
L
C
C
C
L
J
I
C
A
I
I
have
three
questions.
Actually
one
are
you
limiting
your
work
and
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
everybody.
That's
watching.
Do
you
limit
your
work
to
classic
cars
or
just
minor?
No,
we.
C
C
L
A
L
So
we
have
to
do
a
Power
upgrade
in.
L
A
I
think
it
was
commissioner
Carr
talked
about
the
curing
of
the
vehicles
outside
I
I
know.
During
the
pnz
meeting
you
mentioned
that
the
your
painting
stays
in
the
booth
until
it's
outgassed,
correct.
C
Car
off
at
Monday
morning,
at
eight
o'clock,
with
the
bumper
hanging
off
and
you're
picking
up
at
five
completed,
we
don't
do
that.
That's
not
the
type
of
work
that
we
do
so
you
know
that
being
said,
we
paint
something
we
get
gases
out
in
the
booth.
The
booth
gets
shut
off,
the
doors
get
opened
up
for
the
night
and
we
carry
on
tomorrow
morning.
Okay,
so.
A
The
also
Ms
Vinson
I'm
going
to
need
your
help.
If
you,
sir,
there
wasn't,
you
mentioned
something,
and
can
you
show
us
where
the
other
paint
Booth
is
in
the
same
facility?
That
was
an
important
point.
C
I
think
right
around
where
she's
kind
of
pointing
right
there
that's
reading
Truck,
Body,
Company
they've
been
up
in
this
area
for
apparently
a
very
long
time,
so
they
manufacture,
paint
and
install
some
of
the
beds
for
probably
some
of
your
City
trucks,
possibly
the
utility
body
trucks,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
is
a
booth
on
the
same
premises.
C
C
A
C
A
C
A
Okay,
thank
you,
Ms
Vinson.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
E
A
Not
okay,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
go
to
public
comments
now.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
that
wishes
to
make
a
comment.
C
A
K
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eisner.
No
commenter
commissioneros,
no
comment.
Okay,
I'm,
fine!
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second,
please
that's
an
approved
mayor.
Well,
second,
okay,
roll
call.
B
B
A
A
H
Solution:
number
2022-38,
a
resolution
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
authorizing
changes
in
the
organization
of
the
project
administration
department,
including
the
reclassification
of
a
position,
adding
two
positions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hereof.
A
D
On
this,
thank
you
Bob
Robertson
project
administration
department,
director
for
this
item,
we're
asking
the
board
to
approve
a
reorganization
of
the
project
administration
department,
my
department,
this
reorg,
will
include
the
addition
of
the
grant
project
specialist
aka,
the
grant
Rider
position
that
the
board
previously
approved
this
this
year.
It
upgrades
the
project
supervisor
position
to
an
assistant
director
and
it
adds
a
second
project
inspector
position.
I
already
have
one
in
the
department
and
that
second
position
would
remain
unfunded
and
vacant
for
the
current
fiscal
year.
D
The
reason
for
that
strategy
is
that
it's
in
anticipation
of
increasing
construction
projects
in
the
next
in
the
coming
years,
primarily
thinking
of
Grant
funded
projects,
not
only
what
our
grants
writer
should
be
winning
for
us,
but
also
the
arpa
project.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
Funding
for
this
proposed
reorg
has
been
previously
approved
by
the
boc
and
it
is
included
or
was
included
in
this
current
Year's
budget.
So
there
will
be
no
change
to
the
current
budget
to
accommodate
this
request.
Thank
you,
mayor
Robertson,.
A
A
You,
let's
go
to
commissioner
comments:
Vice
Maryland.
M
I
think
this
is
a
necessary
and
needed
reorganization,
I,
look
forward
to
the
grant
writer
being
on
board
and
I.
Think
an
extra
project
inspector
is
something
that
we've
needed
for
some
time
so
I'm
for
this.
Thank
you
thank.
K
Yeah,
this
is
an
important
department
that
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
credit
for
a
lot
of
things
that
you
guys
do
making
sure
that
projects
that
we,
the
board
hires
City
hires
to
complete
projects,
is
done
correctly
and
timely
and
followed
up
on
and
things
along
those
lines.
So
I
appreciate
everything
you
guys
are
doing
and
I
support
the
way
of
working
here
today.
Reorganization,
thank
you.
Thank.
J
Eisner
I
also
agree.
Thank
you
for
all.
You
do.
I
know
you
worked
very
hard.
We
do
speak
often
I,
follow
you
up
very
often
and
I
think
you
need
in
the
right
way
all
the
help
you
can
get,
because
it's
a
lot
of
work.
What
you
do
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
we
really
appreciated
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Robertson
is
fairly
straightforward.
We've
had
that
discussion.
It's
a
simple
reorganization,
also
very,
although
very
important
to
you
so
you've
got
full
support
of
the
commission.
We've
had
the
public
comments.
Commissioner
comments
may
have
a
roll
call
and
I'm
sorry
motion.
C
B
A
B
A
B
A
Yes
item.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
item
21
resolution
2022-43.
This
is
supporting
a
transportation
alternative,
Grant
Ms
Jackson
may
I.
Ask
you
to
read
the
resolution
by
title.
Please.
Yes,.
G
I'll
Renee.
E
E
Good
evening,
mayor
vice
mayor
and
Commissioners,
hoping
to
make
some
more
work
in
the
future
for
Bob's
project
admin
Department.
This
is
resolution
22-43
expressing
support
for
transportation,
Alternatives,
Grant
applications
for
bike
and
pedestrian
improvements.
E
The
the
transportation
Alternatives
program
is
a
program.
That's
funded
through
it's
a
federal,
federally
funded
program
through
fdot
and
then
managed
by
for
Pinellas,
which
is
also
our
Metropolitan
planning
organization,
and
so
we're
into
that
funding
cycle
and
we're
seeking
to
submit
two
applications
for
funding.
One
would
be
for
project
development
and
preliminary
design
of
a
continuous
bicycle
and
pedestrian
facility
that
basically
would
connect
where
the
Pinellas
Trail
intersects
with
or
is
in
in
the
vicinity
of
Klosterman
Road.
E
It
would
connect
from
that
point
out:
west
Klosterman,
with
Carlton
and
Curlew
in
Florida
out
to
our
schools
and
our
beaches.
This
that
particular
project
believe
it
or
not,
has
actually
been
on
the
transportation
Improvement,
the
tip
list
for
probably
25
years,
and
it's
just
never
moved,
and
so
we
have
an
opportunity
to
submit
for
it.
E
So
that's
one
project
that
we
would
like
to
apply
for
grant,
funding
for
and
it'll
be
for
for
development
and
Design
construction
would
have
to
obviously
have
to
come
later
and
then
the
second
project
would
be
design
and
construction
of
safety
improvements
on
distant
Avenue.
As
you
know,
we
had
the
distant
Avenue
improvements
plan,
so
it
would
look
at
those
safety
items
that
have
already
been
yeah,
they're
included
in
that
plan
and
then
within
just
to
be
crystal
clear
with
for
The
Gap
area
that
that
requires
additional.
E
You
know
feasibility
analysis
for
what
could
even
what
is
even
possible
there
there's
wet
it's
wet
it's
next
to
the
landfill,
so
this
would
be
more
of
an
investigation,
continuing
the
investigation
of
that
site
for
its
feasibility
for
a
future
public
use.
E
So
that's
the
two
things
that
we'd
like
to
apply
for
funding
for
just
the
the
maximum
Grant
award
for
each
for
each
could
be
up
to
three
three
million:
we're
still
getting
estimates
to
see
what
we
need
to
actually
include,
but
we'll
get
that
wrapped
up
and
before
we
would
actually
submit
the
grants
up
to
four
Pinellas.
E
So
I
also
have
Caroline
Lanford
here
to
answer
any
questions,
because
she
lives
Brees
and
eats
this
stuff,
she's,
really
the
brains
behind
this
and
she's
the
one
that
prepared
all
of
this,
and
so,
if
you
have
questions
about
the
details
of
it,
I'm
may
have
to
defer
to
her.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
try
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
A
A
Thank
you,
Mr
jumper.
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
D
A
A
M
Excuse
me,
you
mentioned
that
the
inception
for
The
Pedestrian,
Trail
extension
from
Penelope's
from
was
25
years
sitting
there.
It's.
E
Been
so
yeah
there's
there's
a
transportation
Improvement
plan.
You
know
a
project
list,
the
tip
list,
that's
maintained
by
our
mpo,
and
so
literally,
like
I
mean
it
was
before
I
came
to
work
for
the
city.
The
first
time
that
proposed
Trail
connection
had
been
submitted
as
a
potential
project,
and
that
just
means
it's
it
it's
in
the
and
it
was
approved
as
on
the
list
as
something
that
could
be
pursued.
So,
yes,
it
has
been
there
for
quite
some
time.
Okay,.
M
So,
in
light
of
that
and
I'm,
as
you
know,
the
city's
grown
and
expanded,
we
still
have
unincorporated
areas
down
that
end
of
Klosterman
Etc.
Has
there
been
other
Pathways
looked
at
that,
for
example,
maybe
taking
it
from
the
the
distant
area
they're
just
in
the
mayor's
area
down
mares
towards
towards
the
beaches?
Is
it
is
that
particular
pathway,
the
Securities
one
that
goes
down
Klosterman
and
up
Curlew
and
Etc?
Is
that
cast
in
stone,
or
is
that
just
something
that
we're
considering
it.
M
B
Long
time,
yeah,
that
is
actually
it
came
up
during
the
comprehensive
Plan
update
process.
We
were
over
at
the
Mariner
Village
Tarpon
Cove
area,
and
they
saw
that
on
the
map
of
potential
projects
and
they
jumped
on
it
a
lot
of
communities
members
have
jumped
on
it.
Like
oh
that'd,
be
great.
We
would
love
that,
so
it
has
kind
of
been
vetted
recently
with
the
public
with
respect
to
mirrors.
That's
also
on
that
big
map
of
projects
that
may
happen
someday.
E
K
Thanks
mayor,
this
is
great
news.
This
is
great
news
for
the
residents.
This
is
great
news
for
the
city,
great
news
for
the
visitors.
If
you
travel
this
portion
of
town
throughout
the
city,
a
lot
of
it
is
actually
County
Road
that
the
county
is
responsible
for,
but
there's
very
limited,
sidewalks
the
roads
are
narrow.
This
is
a
dangerous
area.
People
are
biking
it
constantly.
People
are
walking
on
it.
K
Constantly
I
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
Mr
Blanton
who's,
a
director
of
Ford
Pinellas
and
drove
them
around
the
city
and
showed
them
some
of
these
areas
also-
and
it
just
expressed
the
issue
of
County
Roads
and
needing
to
improve
our
safety
for
pedestrian
and
and
walking
and
biking.
One
of
the
things
that
the
city
adopted
was
the
zero
deaths
in
Pinellas.
County
I
was
like
right
on
the
new
board
set
into
place,
and
so
this
is
I
think
follows
along
with
that
goal
and
providing
a
safer
space
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists.
K
These
are
just
for
the
design
standpoint.
Renee
am
I,
understand
that
correctly.
E
K
So
I
mean
it's:
it's
basically
Federal
money
that
we're
able
to
yes,
capitalize
on
through
the
county
that
the
city
doesn't
have
to
pay
for
improvements
along
the
roads
that
we
could
use
for
other
funds
or
use
those
other
funds
for
other
projects
to
move
forward
on.
So
these
are
all
I.
Think
no-brainers
I
am
encouraged
to
see
that
the
the
spur
continues
West
to
the
water
on
Klosterman
goes
to
Sunset
Beach
and
also
goes
down.
Sunset
Drive
out
the
Fred
Howard
Park
I
think
those
are
important
pieces
of
the
trail
from
a
design
standpoint.
K
I
would
also
say
from
Vice
Maryland's
comments.
That
mirrors
is
also
a
desire
to
see
some
type
of
Trail
but
I
I'm
happy
to
see
something
thing
move
forward
in
this
and
I
appreciate
Caroline
your
time
that
you
put
behind
us
there's
a
significant
amount
of
detail
in
here
and
Renee.
Do
you
know
when
this
is
Dubai?
And
then,
when
they're
going
to
be
making
the
decisions.
E
We
have
to
have
the
grant
applications
in
by
November
10th
I,
don't
know
what
the
decision
process
begin.
Caroline
says
beginning
of
the
year.
We
should
know.
K
E
J
I
was
at
the
forward
Pinellas
Vision
zero
meeting
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
there
was
a
huge
discussion
about
bikers
and
people
getting
hit
by
cars
and
whatnot.
I
am
a
biker
as
well.
J
The
bike
path
for
Klosterman
is
the
roadway
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
knows
that,
there's
a
picture
of
a
bicycle
there
and
a
picture
of
someone
that's
about
to
get
run
over
on
the
bicycle.
So
it's
not
really
a
bike
path.
It's
a
death
trap
and
I
did
speak
also
to
Blanton
about
that.
I
also
spoke
to
them
about
putting
a
arm
on
Klosterman
in
Alt
19,
because
people
stopped
there
and
they
have
no
regard
that
that
the
bike
bikers
are
now
able
to
go.
J
They
look
to
the
left
and
they
run
over
the
person
to
the
right.
It's
just
you
know
there
are.
There
was
a
discussion.
Dave
Eggers
brought
up
a
discussion.
There's
two
right,
no
turn
on
right,
no
turn
on
red.
Let
me
there's
there's
two
of
them
in
Florida.
One
is
with
a
line
through
it.
That
is
under
no
circumstances.
You
could
turn
and
a
regular
red.
You
can
turn
so.
It's
kind
of
extremely
confusing.
J
We
spoke
about
trying
to
clear
that
up.
Also
I
was
at
as
I'm
on
the
board
of
the
Pinellas
County
school
safety.
Just
recently,
this
youngster
Ethan
waiting
for
school
was
killed
and
it
was
pretty
bad
situation,
so
we
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
for
safety
and
I'm
I'm,
a
hundred
percent
behind
this.
It's
it's
a
bad
situation.
J
If
you
look
at
the
numbers
of
how
many
people
have
been
hit-
and
what's
happened-
you
know
due
to
it,
I
would
do
anything
that
I
could
to
try
to
keep
it
safe
for
people
to
maneuver
through
our
city,
because
it's
a
beautiful
place
to
ride.
So
thank
you
for
all.
You
do
and
Caroline.
Thank
you
for
what
you
did
and
like
I
said,
I
hope
it's
less
than
25
years,
that
it
gets
implemented.
So.
I
Thank
you
I'm
happy
to
support
the
the
bike
path.
That's
going
to
lead
out
to
Fred
Howard
and
Sunset
Beach.
It's
it's
important
to
have
some
clear,
wide
lanes
for
them
and
walkability
that
Southwest
quadrant
of
the
city
really
doesn't
have
too
much
to
offer
with
being
able
to
bike
to
and
from
and
I
think
it's
a
good
start
I'm
looking
forward
to
how
the
design
is
going
to
look
as
far
as
the
second
portion
of
that
project.
What
this
didn't
I
understand.
I
It's
just
a
feasibility
study
but
I
I
do
think
at
some
point.
The
there
will
be
some
type
of
feasibility
and
supporting
a
gap
in
which
I'm
not
going
to
support
I
will
support
each
and
every
intersection
north
of
distant
in
those
all
those
neighborhoods
to
going
all
the
way
up
to
Live
Oak
to
clean
up
the
area.
The
intersections
as
well-
and
you
know,
I
I,
appreciate
Ford
Pinellas
and
wanting
to
connect
certain
areas
of
the
road.
But
you
know
with
that
zero
death
policy.
I
They
do
mention
the
minority
neighborhoods
and
a
road
going
through
this
and
would,
in
fact,
actually
put
a
major
road
through
the
minority
neighborhood,
so
I
just
want
to
look
forward
to
seeing
what
designs
and
what
feasibility
is
going
to
come
out
of
it
all.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Miss
Vincent,
the
a
couple
of
things.
Well,
let
me
start
off
where
commissioner
kujas
left
off
as
far
as
the
the
Gap
in
the
Wetland
I
think
that
until
we
get
a
little
better
organized
with
regard
to
Wetland
impacts
and
policies
and
things
I
understand
what
we're
doing
that
was
discussed,
and
is
this?
What
this
grant
is
this
an
a
follow-up
to
what
we
had
done
already
for.
C
A
Then
my
just
preference
would
be
what
Mr
Schneider
had
picked
up
on
was
to
look
at
something
a
little
bit
to
the
West
of
the
Gap,
as
close
as
we
could
to
the
boundary
of
the
landfill,
and
what
I
would
ask
is
to
obviously
work
for
the
city
manager,
but
he's
also
got
some
folks
working
on
the
cops
and
kids
complex
and
maybe
integrating
whatever
bike
trail
to
to
SPC,
because
I
know
there's
going
to
be
some
services
at
the
cops
and
kids
center
as
well
correct
to
make
it
a
little
more
convenient
for
that
Transportation
pedestrian,
multimodal
transportation
between
the
cops
and
kids
complex
and
the
SPC
I
think
that
would
be
a
a
win-win
situation
for
that
area
and
kind
of
look
at
the
Gap,
but
focus
on
really
something
a
little
more
practical.
A
As
far
as
The
Pedestrian
mode
between
the
cops
and
kids
area
in
the
SPC,
the
the
Klosterman
I
mean
basically
on
what
I'm
reading
is
we're
looking
at
striping.
Is
that
pretty
much
it
or
is
it
going
to
be
a
separate
Trail
I.
E
B
A
B
A
Assuming
that
the
as
you
all
are
describing
the
county
is
very
excited
about
this,
is
there
some
kind
of
a
rough
timetable
that
we're
looking
at
assuming
this
thing
gets
in
the
fast
track,
with
the
county.
B
It
is,
we
are
getting
a
letter
of
support
from
the
county
to
include
in
our
application,
and
there
is
some
hope
that
usually
these
things
are
five
years
funded
out.
They
get
added
to
the
next
fifth
year,
but
there
is
some
hope
that,
with
the
federal
dollars
that
are
flowing
through
for
safety
projects
that
it
might
get
moved
up
a
little
bit
faster.
Okay.
A
So,
no
no
sooner
than
I'm
sorry
no
later
than
about
five
or
six
years,
but
possibly
a
year
or
two
earlier
than
that,
yes
and
then,
as
far
as
the
the
mirrors,
what
I
would
call
not
Trail,
but
the
mirrors
path
which
to
me
would
be
a
natural
for
us
straight
out
to
Florida
Avenue
I.
The
county
seems
to
be
a
little
interested
in
that,
as
well
as
what
I
heard
this
evening.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
all
right.
Well,
let's
cross
our
fingers
on
that.
That's
there's
three
of
those.
Actually
one
was
the
around
Whitcomb
Bayou,
the
other
one
was
around
Kramer
and
then
this
one
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
My
two
favorites
were
creamer
and
Whitcomb.
The
city
managers
was
mirrors,
so
over
the
years
we've
had
these
discussions
over
it.
A
That
would
be
very
nice
if
we
could
get
something
on
mirrors
Avenue
as
well,
because
that
that
would-
and
at
some
point
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
that's
a
good
location,
because
you've
got
some
shops
right
there
at
the
trail
that
people
could
take
a
break
and
get
a
Coke
or
something
like
that
water
or
whatever,
and
then
continue
on
out
to
the
beach
community.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing
in
this
really
really
do
so.
A
I'm
sorry
additional
comments.
Vice
mayor
Lunt,
let's
go
to
you
I'm.
M
Sorry,
I
really
I
wanted
to
comment
further
on
on
as
an
adjunct
to
my
comment
about
bringing
Mayors
over,
which
I
actually
think
is
a
better
idea
than
Kramer,
because
there's
right-of-way
issues
on
Kramer
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I've
I've
been
involved
with
the
with
the
distance
survey
from
day,
one
I've
been
a
heavy
proponent
of
no
matter
what
we
do
with
the
gap
of
bringing
it
up
to
standard
as
far
as
crosswalks
and
lighting
and
signage
and
safety
completely
from
from
one
end
to
the
other.
M
A
A
Oh,
whose
name
is
that
that's
mine?
Oh
you
didn't
have
anything?
Okay,
you
just
no
other
comments.
Okay
may
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
B
K
A
Everybody,
yes,
that
ends
the
ordinances
and
resolutions
and
let's
get
back
to
the
special
consent
agenda
with
any
commission
like
a
break.
You
do
you
do?
Okay,
let's
take
a
let's
recess
at
8,
12
and
reconvene
at
8,
22.
H
F
A
A
A
A
We
reconvene
at
8
23
I'm,
going
to
start
the
special
consent
agenda
and
the
first
items
10
approved
stormwater,
Action,
Plan,
update
city
manager
course.
Yes,.
G
Tom,
do
you
want
to
introduce
that
item
and
our
guess
who's
going
to
give
the
update
sure,
Tom,
Fitz,
Public
Works,
director
I'm,
going
to
introduced
Brian
Anderson
from
Prejudice
and
eipel
he's
been
our
stormwater
engineer?
Actually,
since
the
Inception
of
this
stormwater
action
plan
which
began
in
2009.
So
if
Brian
would.
N
Again.
Brian
Anderson
on
Graduate
University
of
Central
Florida
I've
been
practicing
stormwater
engineer
for
22
years,
16
years
of
that
post,
P
registration
of
a
long
working
history
with
the
city
of
stormwater
contract
started
in
2008.
So
just
over
14
years
of
a
continued
service
on
this
contract,
I'm
proud
to
serve
alongside
of
the
city
on
this
contract.
N
A
little
about
the
city,
stormwater
program,
all
streets
and
stormwater
staff
are
certified
and
trained
annually
for
illicit
discharge
and
the
sediment
control
practices.
They
maintain
32,
outfalls,
132
major
miles
of
roadway,
40
stormwater
management
facilities,
and
they
have
two
primary
goals:
one
to
mitigate
the
potential
for
flooding
and
improve
water
quality,
and
they
do
that
through
continuing
the
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
program.
N
They
also
have
a
very
active
maintenance
program
which
includes
the
street,
sweeping
the
fertilizer
ordinance
that
you're
aware
of
they
have
monthly
reviews
for
the
treatment
of
aquatic
growth
and
then
they're,
always
in
compliance
with
their
mpds
permit
through
the
county
and
fdep.
Coil
number
two
is
to
inform
the
public
of
their
part
in
protecting
the
stormwater
systems
and
surrounding
water
bodies.
They
do
that
through
regular
educational
programs
and
events
or
activities
and
showing
them
the
photo
in
the
top
right
is
one
of
our
public
meetings
for
one
of
our
Capital
Improvement
projects.
N
All
municipalities
have
their
own
unique
stormwater
challenges
and
the
city
is
no
different.
The
color
graphic
you
see
on
the
right
is
developed
from
the
lidar
data,
which
is
basically
a
3D
scan
of
the
surface
of
the
city.
The
area
is
shown
in
red
and
white
are
the
highest
in
elevation
and
then
those
shown
in
green
or
yellow
or
the
lowest
as
you
can
see,
we
range
from
elevation
32
to
Elevation
two,
just
within
a
thousand
feet.
That's
very
unique
topography
for
a
Coastal,
Community
you're
expected
to
be
a
lot
flatter.
N
So
that's
very
that
creates
challenges
for
storm
water.
There
is
also
localized
closed
basins
and,
if
you
don't
have
any
infrastructure
in
that
area,
then
obviously
frequent
floating
occurs
that
becomes
a
challenge
and
then
on
the
photo
on
the
left
is
the
coastal
outfall.
Obviously,
those
outfalls
are
influenced
through
Tides
from
from
the
Gulf,
and
that
becomes
a
challenge
as
well,
so
getting
into
the
stormwater
action
plan
and
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
it.
N
Historically
speaking
in
1993,
Dames
and
Moore
created
the
first
stormwater
master
plan
for
the
city.
In
doing
so,
they
developed
an
inventory
of
the
city's
drainage
facilities.
They
delineated
the
overall
City
Watershed
and
the
internal
drainage
basin
boundaries.
They
also
evaluated
the
existing
drainage
systems
and
created
an
overall
Master
drainage
plan.
However,
like
mini
Master
plans,
if
you
don't
have
a
plan
to
implement
those
for
Paul
those
proposed
Alternatives
with
respect
to
the
fiscal
planning
needed
with
design
and
construction,
they
sit
dormant
and
collect
dust,
and
that's,
unfortunately,
what
happened
here.
N
So,
in
an
effort
to
capture
that
Vision
in
2009,
we
documented
we
created
the
first
stormwater
action
plan
and
doing
so.
We
documented
all
the
existing
floating
problems
within
we
eliminated
all
the
non-jurisdictional
work.
Those
are
the
problems
that'll
be
located
in
D.O.T
or
County
right
away.
Although
we
developed
evaluation
criteria
that
we
would
use
to
evaluate
all
the
problems,
whether
using
the
same
lens
or
criteria,
we
did
a
lot
of
data
collection
and
then
conducted
field
investigations
to
help
us
develop
those
conceptual
solutions
to
resolve
the
flooding.
N
When
those
conceptual
Solutions
were
developed,
then
we
developed
the
preliminary
construction
costs
now
that
we
have
the
cost
and
the
evaluations
we
could
perform.
The
cost
benefit
analysis
which
ultimately
be
develops
for
stormwater
action
plan
order.
Your
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
plan
really
hard
to
see
here
the
text,
but
this
is
basically
a
summary
of
all
the
stormwater
problem
areas.
Initially
all
project
or
problem
areas
were
provided.
We're
given
a
map.
N
So
this
is
the
stormwater
action
plan
project
location
map.
Again,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
there's
a
lot
of
color
coding
going
on
the
circles
represent
the
existing
flooding
locations
and
we
also
have
different
colors
that
represent
whether
the
Project's
in
design,
whether
the
Project's
been
completed,
whether
the
Project's
in
construction.
We
also
have
on
here
all
those
projects
that
are
non-jurisdictional,
and
then
we
also
identify
all
the
water,
impaired
water
bodies
and
feature
tmdls,
as
well
as
the
yellow
lines
are
kind
of
hard
to
see.
N
So
in
order
to
evaluate
the
floating
locations
using
the
same
lens,
we
created
this
evaluation
criteria
based
on
impacts
to
these
through
traffic
safety
related
to
flooding,
obviously
how
the
flooding
impacts,
Traffic,
Safety,
emergency
access,
property
impacts,
environmental
concerns
problem
documentation,
whether
there's
already
existing
problem
documentation.
What
type
of
Maintenance
the
city
is
performing
on
these
locations
already
and
then
the
city
has
a
score
as
well,
and
each
of
these
criteria
have
their
own
point
scale.
N
That's
right
in
this
area
here,
each
one
of
these
is
broken
down
with
its
own
point
scale
and
when
we
combine
create
a
total
sap
score
or
stormwater
action
plan
score
for
each
location.
N
So
the
next
phase
would
be
the
data,
collection
and
research
phase
for
every
every
location.
We
would
review
historic,
Contour
Aerials.
We
would
look
at
current
aerial
imagery.
We
would
review
all
the
current
lidar
data
when
collect
and
review
the
FEMA
flood
maps
with
collect
and
review
the
nrcs
soils.
Data
we'd
also
be
looking
at
surrounding
permanent
projects
and
the
design
information
associated
with
those
permits,
and
then
we
would
also
review
any
existing
flooding
complaints
that
are
either
with
the
city,
Pinellas,
County
or
Dot.
N
N
The
top
left
pitcher
is
facing
north
on
South
South,
Walton
Avenue,
just
south
of
Tarpon
drive
and
then
the
bottom
right
is
facing
north
along
gross
Avenue,
just
right
out
here
outside
our
door,
so
closed,
Basin
and
volume.
Since
the
basins
are
the
occur
throughout
the
city
and
since
they
have
no
positive
drainage
outfall,
the
flooding
typically
worsens
with
further
Basin
development.
The
photos
shown
here
is
Facing
East
along
Spruce
Street,
just
east
across
Avenue.
N
N
So
in
our
once,
we
have
our
all
of
our
data
collection.
The
field
work,
we've
developed,
two
conceptual
solutions
for
each
floating
location.
N
The
reason
why
we
create
two
is
because,
with
engineering
there's
always
more
than
one
solution
to
solve
the
problem,
an
example
of
that
solution
is
shown
here
on
the
on
the
on
the
far
left,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
the
flooding
is
occurring
here,
just
east
of
Levis
Avenue,
along
Penn
Street,
and
the
yellow
line,
work
and
structures
or
circles
that
represent
the
proposed
infrastructure
that
would
be
installed
to
resolve
that
flooding
and
then
the
cyan
Line
work
represents
the
existing
infrastructure,
that's
associated
with
the
tarpon
Elementary
School.
N
So
we
use
these
conceptual
solutions
to
develop
our
Construction
and
design
cost
estimates
that
include
survey.
They
include
geotechnical.
They
include
the
engineering
design.
They
include
all
the
materials
that's
shown
here
in
this
table
here
to
construct
the
proposed
infrastructure.
It
also
includes
a
mobilization
by
the
contractor
and
a
25
contingency
for
any
project
unknowns.
N
So
the
next
phase-
whoops
sorry
I-
was
pressing
the
there
we
go
so
now
that
we
have
our
conceptual
cost
and
the
sap
score
we
can
perform
that
cost
benefit
analysis
for
each
solution
to
determine
which
solution
is
the
most
cost
effective
for
the
location.
This
is
done
by
dividing
the
grand
total
cost
by
the
total
sap
score
for
each
location.
The
projects
are
then
sorted
from
low
to
High
by
their
total
cost
per
sap.
Point.
That's
what's
highlighted
here
in
the
red
box,
which
ultimately
becomes
the
city's
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
program.
N
It's
a
little
about
the
stormwater
success
or
the
success
resulting
from
the
stormwater
action
plan.
We've
completed,
34,
Capital,
Improvement
projects,
the
table
shown
here
are
six
successful.
Grant
applications
for
the
data
that
we've
developed
within
the
action
plan
allows
us
to
write
these
grain
applications
that
have
been
successful
in
securing
just
over
4.5
million
dollars
in
grant
funding
for
design
and
construction
of
these
projects,
which
improves
flooding,
abatement
and
water
quality
within
the
city.
N
Another
success
for
this
from
the
similar
extra
plane
is
the
at
your
fingertips,
documentation
that
helps
City
staff.
Answer
questions
from
the
board
or
citizens
like.
Where
are
we
spending
our
money
right?
So
this
table
here
and
our
similar
action
plan
table
seven
is
the
summary
of
all
the
completed
projects,
their
cost
and
any
pertinent
project
information
that
we
feel
that
the
city
may
need
in
answering
those
questions.
N
Additional
at
your
fingertips.
Documentation
is
answer
that
question
that
we
hear
all
the
time
is:
when
is
the
flooding
going
to
be
resolved
in
My
Front
Street
in
my
front
yard?
So
we
take
the
capital
Improvement
program
and
condense
it
down
into
this
document?
That's
color-coded
and
this
document
is
shared
on
the
website
and
for
each
project
location,
it's
different
colors.
The
blue
indicates
that
the
Project's
in
progress
yellows
it's
in
well
that
would
be
in
progress
being
in
design.
N
Yellow,
would
indicate
that
it's
in
construction
and
green
would
be
that
the
project
has
been
completed,
and
then
the
columns
represent
the
important
Milestones
that
everyone's
looking
for.
When
is
design
going
to
take
place
when
may
act,
when
we
when
may
right
away
acquisition,
be
in
initiated
if
it's
needed
for
the
project
and
then
the
begin
and
end
for
construction.
N
Another
success
for
the
stormwater
action
plan.
This
is
one
I'm,
very
proud
of
the
storm.
The
city
stormwater
action
plan
was
rep,
was
recognized
by
the
stormwater
Professionals
in
our
community,
and
the
Florida
stormwater,
Association
or
FSA
has
excellent
awards
every
year
for
stormwater
programs
or
stormwater
project
and
in
2021.
Just
last
year
the
city's
action
plan
was
awarded.
The
2021
FSA
outstanding
Achievement
Award,
shown
there
on
the
left
as
yours,
truly
Mr,
Tony
minello
your
streets
and
stormwater
supervisor.
N
So
in
closing
we
like
to
refer
to
the
stormwater
action
plan
as
a
living
document,
as
it
requires
attention
and
updates
in
order
to
provide
to
be
useful
to
the
staff
and
citizens
of
the
city,
because
it
is
a
fiscal
planning
document
used
to
assist
with
developing
project
budgets.
We
perform
annual
updates
to
the
project
unit
costs.
N
Those
are
shown
there
in
this
box
right
here
and
then
those
update
the
total
costs
I
would
do
that
annually
and
then
we
capture,
we
update
the
document
to
capture
any
new
flooding
or
water
quality
issues
that
the
city
may
have.
What
that
concludes.
My
presentation
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Jones.
Let's
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor
alone,.
M
Just
a
couple
of
comments,
and-
and
maybe
a
question
first
I
want
I-
want
to
let
you
know
that
I
appreciate
the
rigor
and
and
the
work
that
goes
into
doing
this
in
analysis.
That's
very
straightforward.
You
say
you
review
design
costs,
estimates
on
an
annual
basis.
Have
you
found
I
mean
I
know
our
our
costs
have
been
going
through
the
roof.
It
seems
every
three
months
we
we
get
a
15
increase
or
maybe
more
Is
it
wise
to
just
do
it
on
an
annual
basis.
N
Yeah
initially,
when
we
started
the
the
sap
and
we
were
actually
doing
quarterly
updates
and
we
found
that
it
just
the
updates
being
on
a
quarterly
phase-
we
were
just
repeating
the
information
over
and
over
and
we
weren't
capturing
any
really
new
flooding
projects.
You
know
on
a
quarterly
basis,
so
we
were
like
so
the
discussion
was
made.
Let's
do
this
on
an
annual
Pro
or
cycle
in
order
to
capture
I,
guess
the
increases
in
costs
that
do
occur
and
obviously,
in
the
last
three
to
five
years,
that's
been
pretty
challenging.
N
We
do
use
the
dots
historical
cost
estimates
for
area
seven,
which
is
Pinellas
County,
and
then
we
also
use
other
cost
estimates
that
we
receive
from
active
bids
that
the
city
receives,
as
well
as
other
active
bids
that
we
we
received
through
our
work
with
Pinellas,
County
and
other
municipalities.
So
those
costs
do
get
updated
just
from
from
experience
and
through
documentation,
but
we
figured
the
once
a
year
because
it
is
a
planning
document
to
help
the
city
create
budget
planning
for
the
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
program.
M
Okay,
so
in
your
opinion,
I
guess:
do
you
have
a
handle
on
what
kind
of
cost
increases
we've
seen
over?
Let's
say
just
the
last
18
months.
M
On
an
average,
would
you
say:
okay,
the
other
thing
I
noticed
when
I
was
going
through.
This
whole
thing
was:
was
there
was
a
lot
of
mention
of
at
your
fingertips,
documentation
Etc?
Where
is
that
information
and
who
has
access
to
it?.
N
M
This
is
updated
how
often
once
a
year
once
a
year-
yes,
sir,
all
right.
Well,
that
would
explain
why
some
of
the
data
is
coming
from
January
in
2022
and
we're
already
in
fiscal
year
23.
So
my
suggestion
was,
we
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
doing
it
a
little
more
frequently,
at
least
for
the
next
year
or
two
or
whatever,
maybe
on
a
on
a
biannual
basis,
rather
than
on
an
annual
basis.
M
It's
getting
harder
and
harder
for
us
as
a
commission
to
look
at
cost
projections
and
stick
to
them
and
what
happens
if
the
cost
goes
crazy.
The
commission
gets
a
little
on
a
sword
on
on
whoever's
project,
managing
Etc
et
cetera.
We
know
it's
not
their
fault,
but
but
that's
what
happens.
I
I
personally,
being
sort
of
data
driven
person
like
to
see
my
data
updates
a
little
more
frequently
than
once
a
year,
but
anyway,
these
are
my
comments.
N
N
Just
add
to
that
you
know,
given
that
we
are
updated
annually
these.
It
is
a
planning
document
for
just
fiscally
planning,
but
take
in
mind
that
once
these
plan,
these
projects
get
approved
and
go
to
design.
They
take
another
year
or
two
for
design,
and
then
they,
so
you
still
have
that
DeLay
So
the
cost
that
you're
seeing
being
projected
now
are
still
even
behind
after
for
design.
K
Thanks
mayor,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
What
does
tmdl
stand
for
total.
N
Yeah,
so
that
is
a
state
driven
water
quality
criteria
and
there
it's
evaluated
depending
on
the
nutrient
loadings
phosphorus
nitrogen,
to
a
water
body
and
after
the
evaluation
of
the
water
quality.
N
If
it's
deemed
to
be
impaired,
then
a
tmdl
will
be
established
which
limits
the
total
maximum
daily
load
of
of
nutrients
that
that
water
body
can
receive,
and
once
that
tmdl
is
implemented,
then
a
basin
map
action
plan
is
created
and
whoever
is
contributing
to
that
water
body
then
has
a
percent
allocation
based
on
their
contributing
area
to
the
water
body
as
to
how
they're
going
to
create
Capital
Improvement
projects
to
reduce
their
nutrient
loading
or
phosphorus
loading.
K
Okay
has
a
lot
of
information.
I,
understood,
I,
think
I
appreciate
that
so
they're
saying
future
tmdls.
So
that's
the
bayous
and
Lake
Tarpon.
So
at
some
point,
they're
not
tmdls.
Currently
but
they're
going
to
be
correct.
N
They
are
not
team
deals
currently
and
they
they
may
or
may
not
be
in
the
future.
It's
just
it
has
the
potential
to
be
so.
K
Currently,
like
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
is
monitoring
the
water
quality
and
Spring
Bayou
and
other
parts
of
the
city
because
of
other
regulatory
reasons
right,
correct.
Okay,
we
talked
about
baffle
boxes
a
little
bit
and
that's
one
way
of
preventing
I'm,
assuming
that
would
be
one
way
of
preventing
some
of
that
nutrient-rich,
absolutely
pollution
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to
get
into
the
bodies
and
the
rivers.
You
did
mention
that
we
have
one
baffle
box
in
the
city.
K
I
do
think
it
would
be
wise
to
continue
to
look
at
additional
baffle
boxes
or
other
ways.
It
could
be
through
the
sustainability
committee
Mark
that
they
look
for
other
alternatives
to
right.
Now,
there's
just
a
lot
of
storm
water
that
goes
directly
into
the
river
directly
into
the
bayous.
Without
any
filtration
of
it.
All
baffle
box
will
do
that.
They'll
do
the
filtration
of
the
silt
and
other
garbage
that's
going
out
there.
K
So
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
is
storm
water,
growing
up
here
and
and
obviously
seeing
all
being
in
a
lot
of
different
storms,
and
you
see
the
waters
going
straight
into
the
bayous
and
it
takes
all
the
garbage
with
it.
So
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
some
additional
protections
there
and
planning
for
those
as
well
too.
So,
hopefully,
that's
something
we
could
take
into
the
adoption
of
this
living
document
that
you
referred
to.
K
Is
there
any
grants
that
were
the
city's?
Looking
at
that
you're
aware
of
I
know,
you
showed
a
nice
page
of
grants
that
have
been
received
and
I
think
it's
a
great
job
on
the
city
staff
and
your
your
side
of
things.
Is
there
any
future
ones
that
we're
looking
at
currently
yeah.
N
Currently,
we've
got
one:
we've
just
made
an
application
for
additional
grant
funding
on
the
DOTA
khanese
project
through
the
Water
Management
District,
okay.
Well,
that's
a
recent
application
just
made
let's
say
a
month
ago,
so
we
should
hear
results
on
that
in
April
and
then
we're
currently
working
with
dep
just
recently
through
the
vulnerability
assessment
action
plan
that
Grant
was
approved
for
the
city's
action
plan
assessment.
K
Okay,
that's
that's
for
like
the
title
area
is
that
right
or
low.
N
N
Your?
What
sort
of
treatment
facilities
things
that
have
are
there
are
critical
infrastructure
to
the
city
and
then
we'll
evaluate
the
impacts
to
those
and
develop
a
report
that
will
create
basically
bmps
or
best
management
practices.
That
will
help
create
a
plan
to
alleviate
those
problems
that
will
foresee,
in
the
foreseeable
future,
with
sea
level
rise,
got.
K
N
N
Okay,
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
submitted
the
application
to
the
Water
Management
District.
We
had
a
meeting
with
them.
They
liked
the
project
and
they
encouraged
us
to
submit,
or
hopefully,
if
that's
successful,
there'll
be
about
a
million
dollars
to
help
offset
that
additional
cost.
Okay,.
K
Like
the
millions
of
dollars
coming
in
sounds
good,
what
about
so
we've
got
the
water
treatment
plant
across
the
street.
Is
there
any
when
you
talked
about
the
title
and
storm
events
and
things
along
those
lines?
Is
there
anything
that's
being
researched
along
those
lines
about
how
to
protect
that?
That
might
be
a
Paul,
Smith
and
Tommy
question
later
on,
but
I
just
know,
that's
right.
Next
to
our
title:
River,
yep
and
then
stormwater.
If
we
had
a
big
storm,
that
would
obviously
create
a
big
issue
there.
N
K
Okay,
all
right
sounds
good.
You
mentioned
that
which
I
totally
understand
this.
So
there's
a
lot
of
state
roads.
There's
a
lot
of
County
Roads
within
Tarpon
Springs
you're.
Only
looking
at
City
jurisdiction,
roads,
right,
correct,
okay,
so
he's
chasing
or
who's
responsible
for
chasing
the
county
in
the
state
for
like
Pinellas,
Avenue
or
Whitcomb,
or
something
along
those
lines.
Is
that
someone
on
staff
or
do
you
coordinated
with
that
at
all.
N
We've
helped
staff
coordinate
those
conversations.
We've
documented
an
example,
as
alternate
us
19.,
there's
a
lot
of
flooding
problems
along
that
Corridor
MLK
area.
We've
documented
those
and
we're
working
with
them
to
create
a
communication
piece
to
the
dot
saying
hey.
These
are
documented
issues
or
safety
issues
with
the
drainage.
How
can
we
form
a
partnership
in
in
getting
some
resolutions
to
them?
Has.
K
There
been
any
receptance
from
dot
in
in
that
aspect
or
have
you
guys
moved
forward
with
that.
N
N
N
K
Yeah
Mark,
if
you
could
just
remind
us
about
that
and
Brian,
if
you
could
just
remember
to
yeah,
to
connect
with
Mark
to
get
it
out
to
us,
and
then
we
could
follow
up
with
a
our
other
contacts
within
the
state.
So,
okay,
great
well
obviously,
I
mean
each
day
is
a
better
day
with
the
storm
water.
It
seems
like
we're
getting
more
projects
done
the
current
list.
K
That's
here,
there's
like
three
really
big
ones
that
are
pending
to
be
started:
South,
Spring,
MLK,
the
Lakeview
Drive
and
then
the
Lime
Street,
and
here
we
have
The
Lime,
Street
and
Huey.
Ave
is
just
a
complete
mess
at
night
I
mean
you,
don't
know
where
the
the
land
stops,
where
the
curbs
are
where
the
water
is,
where
the
road
is
or
anything
so
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
that
one
come
to
fruition
and
be
completed.
So
thank
you.
You're.
J
N
N
So
that
was
part
of
the
problem
they
that
once
the
master
plan
was
created,
there
was
no
fiscal
plan
for
the
actual
implementation
of
design
or
construction
for
those
proposed
improvements
that
came
out
of
the
master
plan.
So
the
master
plan
kind
of
sat
there
dormant
collected
dust,
and
so
there
was
a
time
period
there,
where
the
city
was
just
being
reactive.
N
Trying
to
you
know,
do
what
they
could
in
the
field
with
with
resolving
the
problems
that
were
there
and
then
Bob
Robertson
in
2008
said:
let's
we
need
to
create
a
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
program,
that's
more
of
a
living
document
that
doesn't
sit
on
the
once.
It's
created
just
sits
on
someone's
desk
for
years.
It's
updated
annually
to
capture
these
annual
design
and
construction
budgets.
J
Yes,
because
I
was
going
through
some
of
these
projects.
I
know
you
have
34
projects
completed
as
of
when,
when
was
that
started,
and
when
was
that,
when
was
the
34
projects
started,
it
was
about
2009.,
so
from
2009
you
have
34
projects
because
we
do
have
still
37
projects
that
are
going
that
that
need
to
be
done
right
now
and
those
didn't
appear
yesterday,
they've
been
an
issue
for
as
long
as
as
as
tarpon's
been
here,
I
mean
that
they've
been
flooded
so
I'm
just
curious.
N
That
it
well
that's
a
good,
that's
a
good
question.
Thankfully,
we
have
the
right
folks
here
to
help
us
answer
that
question
they're,
giving
you
a
presentation
on
that
following
me,
but
it's
obviously
tied
to
the
amount
of
capital
funds
that
can
be
allocated
to
those
Capital
Improvement
projects.
J
Why
I
asked
this
question
because,
as
vice
mayor
asked
or
stated
earlier,
as
these
prices
keep
going
up,
15
it
it's
like
when
I
look
at
this
I
look
at
a
can
kick
down
the
road
and
it's
landing
on
this
board
to
decide
what
to
do
with
it.
You
know
it's
very
difficult.
I
mean
I'm.
Looking
at
you
know,
places
like
Riverside
that
I
live
there
and
I
know.
J
That's
been
a
flooding
issue
for
just
the
longest
longest
time
so
I
mean
I,
appreciate
what
you're
doing
I
just
see
huge
price
tags
on
here
and
I.
Just
don't
know
how
this
sat
for
so
long
with
so
little
getting
done
prior
to
the
08.
You
know
what
I
mean
I
it
just
I.
Just
can't
get
my
head
around
that!
It's
like
it
was
just
about
left.
J
So
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
I
support
what
you're
going
to
do
and
if
there's
anything
I
can
do
to
help.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
Mr
Anderson,
thank
you
for
the
the
PowerPoint
presentation
for
for
me
was
easy
or
helpful
to
digest
and
the
way
you
laid
it
out
for
us.
I
I
You've,
given
us
a
good
direction
that
as
long
as
well
as
City
staff
as
the
years
come
up
and
priority
changes,
you
know,
with
the
cost
benefit
to
certain
areas
that
gives
this
board
and
staff
a
better
Direction
each
year
to
tackle
certain
projects,
and
this
issue
is
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
this
board
would
say
that
we
tried
to
take
care
of.
I
You
know,
however,
many
projects
we
do
each
year
and
just
thank
you
for
everything
you
guys
did
to
put
together
and
now
it's
our
time
to
implement
it
as
things
evolve.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
yeah
thanks
for
the
presentation
you
know
going
back
to
93,
that's
about
when
I
started
with
the
city
and
and
I
can
tell
you.
There
were
some
significant
storm
water
projects
done
the
intersection
of
Tarpon
Avenue
in
Safford.
You
needed
a
canoe
to
get
there.
That
was
done
when
the
Pinellas
Trail
went
in
there's,
not
even
a
drop
of
water
there,
that
was
probably
the
worst
flooding
location
in
the
whole
town.
A
Also
Live,
Oak
Street
was
put
in
with
new
Retention
Ponds
and
everything,
and
there
were
some
other
places
done
up
behind
north
of
I'm
sorry
east
of
distant
with
Retention
Ponds.
So
it
wasn't
like
nothing
was
getting
done
and
also
but
you're
right.
The
studies
were
done
and
they
get
put
on
the
shelf
and
one
of
the
main
reasons
was.
We
had
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
reserves
at
the
time.
The
other
thing
that
has
contributed
to
flooding
is
we've
done
away
with
brick
streets
and
have
gone
to
Asphalt.
A
That,
to
me
was
a
big
mistake,
but
that's
for
the
sake
of
expediency.
We
did
that
and,
as
a
result,
you
know,
as
you
know,
there's
some
there's.
Some
from
The
Brick
Street
perspective
there
there's
some
permeability
to
that
as
far
as
absorbing
water,
where
there
is
the
asphalt
there's
not
so,
but
I
agree
with
you,
the
geography
is
very
challenging
in
Tarpon,
Springs
and
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
priorities
and
how
fast
you
want
to
do
this.
A
So
the
best
that
we
can
do
right
now
is
continue
to
do
this
in
a
very
methodical
way
and
hopefully
get
there.
We've
got
the
environment,
that's
working
against
us
with
the
sunny
day,
tides
and
creating
new
challenges
for
us
as
we
go
along
there.
So
I
appreciate
what
y'all
have
done
and
I
just
hope
to
continue.
Notwithstanding.
What's
happened
in
the
past,
so
what
we
need
to
do
is
have
a
motion
to
approve
to
prove
this
right.
A
Me
go
to
the
commission.
The
public
comments
public
comments.
Is
there
anybody
that
has
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
A
I.T
is
there
any
remote
access
public
comments.
C
F
Tarpon
Springs
one
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out.
This
was
a
good
presentation,
but
it's
all
dealing
with
issues
from
the
past
Wetlands
being
filled
in
the
gentleman
also
mentioned
about
the
unique
topography
but
I'd
like
to
point
out
the
possibility
of
you
using
some
of
this
information
on
a
future
basis
and
how
do
I
suggest
that
one
for
any
new
construction,
whether
it's
single-family
home,
multi-family
commercial,
you
need
to
have
them,
do
some
kind
of
impervious
service
mitigation
fee,
because
it's
the
impervious
surfaces
that
create
so
much
of
the
storm
water.
F
Also,
where
are
they
putting
these
projects?
Are
they
removing
Wetlands
or
areas
that
will
form
a
Wetlands
or
areas
that
drain
into
Wetlands?
You
need
to
look
at
where
people
are
now
going
to
be
building
or
putting
in
new
structures,
but
the
thing
that
I
would
like
to
impart
is,
if
you're
looking
at,
like
on
number
18
for
Hurricane
flooding,
well,
you're,
also
taking
a
preventative
measure
with
regards
to
your
storm
water
action
funding
by
having
some
kind
of
a
mitigation
fee.
F
It
would
take
some
data
to
figure
out
certain
areas
that
would
be
needing
to
have
this
done,
but
you
pretty
much
know
your
Coastal
High
Hazard
areas
or
your
level
a
areas.
So
it's
just
another
thought
of
way
to
reimburse
the
city
back
for
all
these
expenses
that
you're
having
to
do
after
the
fact,
and
it's
more
preventative.
On
page
26
of
this
of
the
report
there's
a
scoring
criteria.
F
Some
of
that
can
be
also
used
in
not
only
using
for
your
projects,
but
also
for
deciding
what
properties
being
developed
would
need
to
be
requiring
paying
the
fee
so
there's
ways
to
do
it,
but
you
can
also
use
this
information
to
look
forward.
Thank.
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
please
motion
to
approve
the
second
okay
roll
call.
Please.
B
A
A
G
Ron
Herring
will
come
up
and
introduce
Our
Guest
to
present
this.
C
Good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
now
you've
heard
about
the
stormwater
action
plan.
Now
we're
getting
into
the
funding
of
the
stormwater
plan.
In
fiscal
year,
2022
the
city
approved
having
a
storm
water,
Revenue
sufficiency,
study
performed.
The
last
study
was
performed
in
2017..
C
The
studies
have
been
performed
for
a
number
of
years,
first
by
Burton
and
Associates,
which
was
folded
to
understand
Tech
the
same
employees
that
work
for
Burton,
Associates
I've
been
working
for
the
C
atar
from
springs
for
20
plus
years,
so
they
have
a
lot
of
knowledge
with
the
city
and
our
processes.
Andy
Burnham.
Here
you
might
remember
him.
He
did
our
water
and
sewer
stormwater
study
just
a
couple
years
ago,
he's
the
vice
president,
director
of
management
with
Stan
Tech
and
is
here
to
present
this
year's
study
and
with
him
is
Kevin
Cook.
A
Give
it
to
Andy.
L
Good
evening,
thanks
for
giving
me
about
10
minutes
of
your
time
to
present
this
year's
Revenue
sufficiency
analysis
for
the
stormwater
system
that
really
Builds
on
the
stormwater
action
plan,
discussion
that
we
were
just
having.
So
let
me
make
sure
I've
got
the
directional
cues
on
this
going
the
right
way.
L
So,
by
way
of
background
for
the
storm
water
system,
as
Ron
had
mentioned,
the
current
rate
plan
that's
in
place
for
storm
water
was
adopted
back
in
2015,
and
at
that
time
it
established
a
10-year
plan
of
increases
to
your
current
storm
water
fee
of
about
50
cents
per
year
to
that
fee
for
a
10-year
time
period.
That
plan
was
then
reevaluated
in
2017
to
take
into
account.
L
Then
current
conditions
changes
in
operating
costs,
inflation
factors
as
well
as
capital
Improvement
needs
at
that
point
in
time
that
2017
update
largely
confirmed
the
findings
that,
based
upon
those
levels
of
expenditures
and
trends
at
the
current
rate
plan
that
have
been
approved
a
couple
years
before,
was
going
to
continue
to
be
sufficient.
One
thing
that's
important
to
note
is
that
that
increase
plan
that
started
in
2015
those
were
the
first
increases
to
the
fee
that
had
been
previously
adopted
in
2001
so
implemented
in
2002.
L
So
this
may
explain
some
of
the
gaps
that
you're
hearing
about
timing
in
terms
of
infrastructure
plans,
a
dedicated
funding
source
really
wasn't
established
until
about
2002
wasn't
adjusted
for
the
first
time
until
actually
fiscal
year
2016..
So
there
are
some
important
marks
that
well
I
think
maybe
explain
some
of
those
funding
issues
that
have
been
talked
about
a
moment
ago
and
for
all
these
updates
that
we've
run.
L
It
takes
Talk
of
the
projections
from
the
past
study
versus
the
current
projections
for
that
time
period,
and
what
we
noticed
is
that,
on
the
funding
side,
we're
in
a
pretty
good
position
and
consistent
with
prior
Productions,
we
have
a
fund
balance,
that's
fairly
comparable
to
what
we
were
projecting
before,
and
the
revenues
are
very
consistent
with
the
past
projections
on
a
two
million
dollar
budget,
we're
within
about
three
thousand
dollars
on
the
revenue
side.
It's
the
expenditure
side,
where
we're
seeing
pressure
begin
to
mount
as
compared
to
that
2017
update.
L
That's
now
about
five
years
old,
we're
seeing
increases
in
costs
associated
with
supply,
chain
issues
and
material
costs
that
have
gone
up.
That
has
just
been
spoken
about
in
the
prior
presentation,
as
well
as
labor
shortages
affecting
our
ability
to
affect
projects.
Additionally,
we're
seeing
increasing
regulations
and
mandates
and
our
infrastructure
is
obviously
getting
older.
L
As
many
of
you
are
aware,
from
the
discussion
we
had
last
year
about
the
water
and
sewer
Enterprise
fund,
we
look
at
performance
versus
budget
and
take
stock
of
how
we're
actually
spending
versus
our
budgets
and
calibrate
our
inflation
factors,
as
well
as
spending
assumptions
on
those
budgets
so
for
personnel
we're
coming
in
very
close
to
budget.
So
previously
we
had
a
two
percent
savings
right
now:
we're
spending
and
fully
staffed
on
the
storm
water
side.
L
And
additionally,
in
our
forecast,
we
have
included
two
new
positions
and
24
and
in
27
for
additional
techs
to
help
with
the
maintenance
and
related
activities
for
the
storm
water
management
system.
So,
on
Personnel
over
this
entire
10-year
time
period,
we're
looking
at
about
an
additional
1.1
million
dollars
of
increased
cost
on
the
operations
and
expense
side
versus
through
2032.
L
on
o
m
outside
of
personal
services.
We
had
been
looking
at
an
execution
rate
at
about
98
we've
adjusted
that
to
reflect
97
based
upon
the
recent
performance
we've
been
seeing
in
discussions
with
staff
and
we've
also
factored
in
additional
leases
for
street
sweepers
in
2023
and
2028..
So
we're
looking
at
added
cost
of
about
840
000
over
this
current
10-year
projection
of
O
M
expenses
above
what
we
were
looking
at
previously
and
lastly,
on
minor
Capital
outlays
machinery
and
equipment.
L
We're
looking
at
purchases
there
that
are
on
average
about
130
000
more
per
year
about
1.5
million
over
that
10-year
time
period
in
round
numbers,
and
so
we're
also
looking
at
the
inflation
rates
and
we're
seeing
higher
inflationary
increases
in
current
expenses
that
we've
been
factoring
into
this
forecast.
So
the
Outlook
continues
those
trends
for
a
brief
period
of
time
and
then
normalizes
them
back
to
historical
levels,
but
on
average
we're
looking
at
about
a
4.6
percent
increase
in
just
our
operating
cost.
L
To
address
a
lot
of
those
inflationary
pressures
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
various
aspects
of
Public
Services,
the
capital
spending
plan,
that's
been
included
in
the
analysis.
Again,
it
builds
off
of
the
stormwater
action
plan
that
was
just
discussed.
We
have
reflected
historical
spend
rates
versus
budgets
that
are
range
between
60
and
70
percent
of
spending
versus
budget
amounts
and
also
importantly,
we've
factored
in
continued
grant
funding
for
a
variety
of
projects.
So
over
this
entire
10-year
time
period,
it's
about
5.8
million
dollars
of
capital.
L
Cost
we've
presently
included
about
1.7
million
of
assumed
grant
funding
for
that
Capital
Improvement
cost,
which
is
a
pretty
high
proportion
of
funding
from
Grants
part
of
the
forecast.
A
few
things
to
note,
because
of
the
supply
chain
issues
and
other
procurement
delays
that
we've
seen
in
22,
that
Capital
has
been
rolled
over
in
23
and
we
have
factored
in
an
additional
eight
percent
increase
in
those
Capital
costs
associated
with
that
rollover.
L
And,
additionally,
on
top
of
that,
contingency
allowance
that
Brian
had
mentioned,
we
factored
in
a
three
percent:
additional
increase,
compounded
inflation
cost
year
over
year
as
part
of
the
forecast
on
our
Capital.
So
what
we're
funding
with
the
current
rate
trajectory
that
we
have
is
about
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
a
little
less
than
that
of
annual
Capital
spending
in
the
financial
forecast.
L
We
do
have
a
project
specific
list
that
may
be
hard
to
see
in
the
screen,
but
it
goes
to
one
of
the
questions
about
how
many
projects
we're
doing
per
year.
It
depends
on
the
size
of
the
projects
that
600
000
could
get
us
anywhere
from
maybe
three
projects
in
a
particular
year
or
a
very
large
one,
potentially
four,
and
then
we're
also
doing
some
miscellaneous
improvements
as
part
of
this
program
as
well.
L
Fifty
thousand
a
year
allowances
for
you,
know
various
miscellaneous
services
and
repairs
that
we
need
to
make
to
the
system
as
part
of
this
program.
To
the
extent
we
want
to
look
at
accelerating
that
Capital
program,
you
know,
I
can
give
you
kind
of
a
rule
of
thumb
we're
about
two
million
dollars
of
revenue
for
this
system
each
year.
So
if
you
wanted
to
add
an
extra
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
your
Capital
plan
and
cash
fund
that
that's
going
to
be
about
an
extra
10
increase
on
the
rates,
so
just
keep
that
in
mind.
L
L
So
we
we
use
our
financial
analysis
and
management
system
to
run
a
variety
of
scenarios
and
simulations
with
staff.
That's
where
we
do
the
analysis
of
all
the
historical
Trends
look
at
assumptions
such
as
spending
rates
on
o
m
and
capital
and
look
at
the
different
rate
adjustment
plans,
and
so
what
this
screen
capture
this
scenario
is
showing
is
the
status
quo.
L
L
Obviously,
that
would
have
a
pretty
dramatic
impact
on
this
fund
because
we're
working
with
a
very
minimal
level
of
reserves
here
about
25
percent
of
our
o
m
budget.
So
it's
just
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
reserves
in
this
fund.
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
leeway
if
you
will
to
deal
with
unforeseen
circumstances
occurring
differently
than
projected.
L
So
what
we're
looking
at
again
just
kind
of
taking
the
three
years
that
have
been
approved
and
that
remain
in
the
current
approved
resolution
and
what
we're
showing
in
the
forecast
you
know,
we'd
be
looking
at
about
50
Cent
increases
in
that
storm
water
rate
to
sustain
this
level
of
capital
spending
and
then
thereafter
about
two
and
a
half
percent
a
year
which
would
equate
to
about
29
to
30
cents
on
that
storm
water
utility
bill.
So
you
can
see
what
that
means
going
from
the
the
current
rate
in
fiscal
23
of
965..
L
And
so,
as
Ron
mentioned,
we
do
a
lot
of
this
work
for
not
only
communities
in
this
area
but
really
across
the
country,
and
so
we've
updated
a
storm
water
monthly
fee
survey.
We're
actually
going
to
present
this
about
a
month
ago
to
you
in
fiscal
22,
but
we
had
hurricane
Ian
to
contend
with
so
we're
here
today.
L
So
this
show
generally
at
the
time
the
fiscal
year
22
rates
for
many
neighboring
agencies,
and
so
you
can
see
the
orange
highlighted
bars
where
Tarpon
Springs
sits
with
its
current
storm
water
charges,
and
this
was
as
of
fiscal
year
22..
Since
that
time,
we've
seen
increases
from
Oldsmar
they've
gone
up
from
six
dollars
to
eight
dollars.
L
And
then
some
of
the
agencies
that
are
already
kind
of
at
the
higher
end
are
looking
at
indexing
plans
to
sustain
what
they
have
dunedin's
at
about
a
percent
and
a
half
a
year,
or
so
is
clear
water
at
about
1.75.
So
you
kind
of
get
the
ideas
that
there's
upward
movement
in
this
survey
to
pretty
significant
degrees,
as
many
agencies
try
to
take
an
opportunity
to
have
a
dedicated
funding
source
for
storm
water
they're
facing
the
same
challenges
in
that
regard,
that
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
is
as
well
so
I
do
this.
L
I
think
you
know,
from
our
perspective,
with
the
level
of
capital
planning
that
we
have
now
for
the
next
three
years,
as
well
as
the
grant
assumptions
and
O
M
assumptions
with
that,
the
current
rate
plan
should
hold
so
I
think
we're
in
good
condition
there,
but
to
the
extent
that
there's
changes,
whether
it's
increasing
the
capital
plan,
above
that
further
disruptions
that
cause
greater
inflation
and
cost
Beyond,
what's
been
included
in
the
project
basis
that
may
not
hold,
and
especially
looking
beyond
that
2025
time
period.
L
You
need
to
be
thinking
about
what
do
we
do
next?
What's
that
next
step
in
that
next
increment
look
like
to
sustain
this
level
of
investment,
because
what
we're
seeing
is
with
the
trends
in
cost
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
support
that
with
the
then
current
rates,
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
some
levels
of
increases
to
sustain
the
capital.
L
Improvement
spending
needs
that
we
have
as
well
as
deal
with
the
operations
and
maintenance
needs
of
the
system,
as
costs
continue
to
increase
so
that
Capital
spending
is
going
to
be
a
big
decision.
Point
and
I
think
there's
a
number
of
unknowns
here
that
Merit
thinking
about
how
often
do
we
want
to
look
at
our
financial
performance
for
storm
water
grant.
L
Funding
I
was
chatting
with
Paul
Smith,
just
as
part
of
the
discussion
tonight,
we're
seeing
a
little
bit
more
movement
in
a
positive
direction,
on
more
Grant
programs,
more
funds
being
available,
and
that
could
be
a
good
thing.
There
may
be
an
opportunity
there
that
we
could
maybe
have
more
grant
funding
than
what
we're
assuming
in
the
forecast.
There
could
be
positive
Dynamics
to
factor
into
this
forecast,
not
just
negative,
so
I
don't
want
to
be
just
all
doom
and
gloom
at
this
Podium
today.
L
I
think
there's
opportunity
for
changes
that
need
to
be
factored
into.
This
I
think
there's
more
risk
than
there
is
upside
right
now,
being
perfectly
candid,
but
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
and
so
our
recommendations
are
to
stay
the
course
with
what
you
have
now,
but
think
about
updating
this
doing.
Modern
updates
not
necessarily
full
comprehensive
studies
to
support
new
rate
plans,
but
just
do
health
checks.
Financial
Health
checks
on
this
because
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
right
now.
A
Thank
you.
That's
an
excellent
presentation.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments.
M
Seem
to
be
at
significant
risk
of
depleting
our
Reserves
for
this.
You
know,
then
what
seems
to
me
to
be
a
very
short
time
frame,
given
the
path
that
we
may
be
able
to
make,
it
may
be
able
to
make
it
to
fiscal
year.
2026.
That's
only
a
couple
years
off,
I'm
not
really
happy
about
that
from
a
personal
situation.
I
believe
the
citizens
in
this
community
would
rather
see
us
in
a
better
position
as
far
as
storm
water
and
flooding.
M
Excuse
me
my
thoughts
on
the
matter
is
what
I'd
like
to
hear
is
suggestions
as
not
to
take
a
look
at
this
in
2026,
but
what
we
can
do
to
have
a
very
positive
effect
within
a
very
short
time
frame,
so
that
we
can
actually
feel
comfortable
getting
back
to
our
constituents
and
saying
we're
working
to
solve
the
flooding
and
storm
water
problems
in
this
town
and
whether
that
means
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
accommodate
it
with
other
funds
for
CIP
or
additional
grants
or
raising
the
storm
water
fees.
M
K
I
mean
I'm,
pretty
sure
you
just
outlined
it
all
in
your
presentation,
so
I'm
happy
with
that
presentation.
He
said.
Basically,
if
you
want
to
extend
the
fund,
you
have
to
do
five
percent
after
26
and
you
could
go
to
two
and
a
half
percent.
So
it's
there
there's
a
lot
of
good
work.
That's
behind
this
I'm,
not
interested
in
raising
taxes
of
raising
fees,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
have
to
follow
inflation.
At
times
we
need
more
storm
water
projects.
K
So,
yes,
the
fees
will
have
to
increase
as
the
years
go
on
past
26,
but
that's
something
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
today.
We've
got
the
outline
we're
good
based
on
your
presentation
until
26.
At
that
point,
when
additional
fees
go
into
play,
you
guys
could
set
a
new
increase
year
over
year
at
that
time
and
move
forward
from
there
and
still
have
enough
of
a
fund.
K
Something
to
be
aware
of
is
there's
a
lot
of
Reserve
funds
that
the
city
has
that
just
sit
there
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
just
having
Reserve
funds
in
all
different
departments
like
we
have
a
one
large
Reserve
fund,
with
over
eight
million
dollars
in
it.
There's
another
fund
here
with
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
it.
I
think
the
water
has
another
Reserve
fund,
there's
a
sidewalk
Reserve
fund.
K
J
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
also
not
in
favor
of
raising.
J
J
I
know
that
part,
but
they're
the
ones
paying
the
bill
I
mean
for
me
personally,
doesn't
matter
I
I,
don't
have
I'm
not
affected
by
that,
but
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
people
that
have
been
trying
to
make
ends
meet,
and
you
know
I
just
don't
want
to
see
that
you
know
we
spoke
earlier
about
the
millage
rate
and
now
we're
discussing
you
know
this.
J
So
you
know
I
know
it
needs
to
get
done
and
I
want
to
do
the
job
that
we
need
to
do,
but
I
also
need
to
know
where
that
money
is
coming
from.
Just
speaking
about
having
reserves,
other
reserves
able
to
be
used
for
this
is
the
question
city
manager
I
mean
that's,
you
know
just
saying
it
doesn't
mean
you
know,
you
know
we
do
need
to
keep
a
certain
amount
of
Reserve.
J
So
this
is
a
decision
that
I,
don't
particularly
want
to
make
I
will
will
if
I
have
to,
but
I
would
prefer
if
the
residents
made
that
decision
of
how
they
wanted
to
go
forward.
So
that's
my
comment.
Thank
you.
G
Just
want
to
say
again
all
those
are
able
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
I
really,
you
know
emphasize
what
he
says
about
the
positive
I,
really
think
from
what
I'm,
seeing
and
I
know
what
they're
seeing
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
that
grant
funding
and
the
funding
that
might
be
coming
forward
for
this
might
take
us
in
the
positive
and
not
but
again
we
can't
wait
till
2025
2026.
again.
G
We
need
to
look
at
it
next
year,
see
where
that
trend
is
going
and
I'm
hoping
we
can
put
more
of
that
positive
money
out
there
with
the
additional
grant
writers
we
have
with
what
we've
done
so
far.
G
G
J
My
other
question
to
you
is:
is
a
does
it
help
us
if
we
were
to
handle
more
of
the
smaller
projects
and
get
a
lot
of
them
off
of
our
plate?
So
it
doesn't
look
as
bad,
because
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
different
I've
looked
at
some
of
the
prices
on
here.
Some
of
them
are
very
easily
doable,
and
some
of
them
are
outlandish.
So.
L
So
it's
that
that
balancing
of
showing
progress,
making
investments
in
the
community
at
the
same
point
in
time
accomplishing
some
of
those
major
projects
and
I.
Think
that's
where
the
grant
programs
have
been
really
effective.
To
give
you
some
money
to
do
some
of
those
bigger
projects
highlighted
in
the
past
and
then
use
the
storm
water
dollars
to
try
to
accomplish
some
more
of
these
more
modest
projects
and
I.
Think
that's
consistent
with
what
you're
seeing
in
the
capital
plan
is
that
type
of
a
strategy?
J
Well,
that's
that's
what
I
was
more
so
going
after.
You
know
where
we
can
get
some
of
these
smaller
projects
done
and
then
do
grant
for
the
larger
projects.
I'm,
not
picking
and
choosing,
because
I
know,
there's
the
larger
projects
and
larger
headaches
as
well,
but
those
at
least
we
can
portray
better
for
a
grant
money
than
having
a
smaller
project.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do
and
like
I
said:
I
don't
want
to
have
to
make
that
call.
J
A
I
You
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
you
know
at
times,
I
sit
there
and
talked
about
lowering
the
millage
rate
and
I.
Look
at
this.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
our
City's
in
a
good
situation,
to
be
well
funded
for
these
projects
coming
up
and
when
I
see
other
nearby
cities
have
raised
their
monthly
fee.
A
couple
dollars,
I
sort
of
wouldn't
mind.
You
know
coming
back
to
reevaluate
it
here
in
a
year
or
two
a
year
or
so
to
see
what
you
know.
I
I
want
us
to
have
some
good
reserves
to
focus
on
some
projects
and
and
and
really
tackle
these
issues
that
the
residents
want
us
to
so
I
would
I,
see
the
50
or
the
50
Cent
increase
each
year,
but
I
think
that
may
have
to
increase
a
little
bit
more
and
that's
something
for
us
to
consider
in
the
next
year
or
two
to
have
some
reserves
built
up
for
these
projects
that
we
want
to
tackle
here
in
the
future.
So
thank
you
for
everything.
Thank
you.
A
A
This
isn't
the
this
storm
water
fund
isn't
what's
going
to
solve
the
flooding
in
the
town,
I
mean
we
talked
about
bonds,
I,
think
of
a
revenue,
node
I
think
Mr
Herring
talked
about
that
at
one
point,
as
far
as
for
the
larger
ones,
if
we
don't
get
the
the
grants,
I
think
city
manager
knows
you
can't
wait
forever
for
a
grant,
I
mean
people
aren't
gonna
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
for
us
to
issue,
masks
and
snorkels
at
some
point
than
it
is
to
get
the
flooding
done.
A
So
I
think
that
we
probably
I'm
not
sure
we
would
do
the
sufficiency
rate
study
and-
and-
and
you
know
one
thing
I
was
thinking
about-
is
maybe
bumping
that
up
to
2025.
If
we're
concerned
about,
you
know
becoming
insolved
in
the
stormwater
fund,
something
similar
to
what
we
were
talking
about
with
the
what
was
it
the
the
waste
management
that
we're
going
to
do
it
every
or
was
at
the
sewer?
A
That
was
a
sewer
impact
fee
right,
we
were
going
to
do
it
every
two
years,
but
okay,
but
the
other
thing
is
that
we
may
want
to
find
a
consultant
that
if
the
commission
is
very
very
interested
in
in
how
do
you
tackle
you
know,
you
know
this
elephant
that
we've
got
with
a
fly
swatter
source
of
Revenue.
We
might
want
to
hire
a
consultant
to
perhaps
take
a
look
at
it
from
a
strategy
of
financing
an
investment
strategy.
As
far
as
how
do
you
deal
with
this?
A
In
other
words,
if
we've
got
a
10-year
Horizon
and
that's
when
we
want
to
complete
all
these
stormwater
projects,
what
is
it
going
to
take
if
it
if
we
can
take
if
it
can
be
done?
That's
maybe
something
to
think
about
I.
Think
for
tonight,
we've
satisfied
our
purposes
for
what
we
need
to
do.
I,
wouldn't
unless
there's
something
that
happens
between
now
and
2026,
maybe
we
should
just
stick
with
the
schedule
of
the
sufficiency
update
being
done.
2026.
Is
that
what
you
said.
L
A
Later
20
25,
maybe
correct
okay,
maybe
that's
what
we
should
do
and
then
I
would
take,
maybe
maybe
about
a
month
for
yourselves
and
kind
of
think
over.
Maybe
we
should
talk
about
a
consultant.
We
can
put
that
in
a
Tickler
Ron.
J
J
A
Good
sorry
remember
that
Mr
Herring,
okay
well
for
the
sake
of
moving
ahead
this
evening,
does
the
Commissioners
do
any
of
you
have
any
follow-up
comments.
You
want
to
say.
M
A
M
Do
actually
I'm
more
concerned
that
we
don't
just
kind
of
move
this
down
the
road
too
many
years.
The
compound
inflation
rate
since
2015
since
since
the
Inception
of
the
last
thing
has
been
over
25
percent,
that
was
up
to
the
beginning
of
2022.
I'm
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
the
inflation
rate
barreled
out
into
the
end
of
this
year,
but
I
I
think
it
was
somewhere
at
least
between
10
and
13.
So
this
is.
A
M
A
So
maybe,
within
this
month
you
all
have
you
have
some
conversations
with
the
city
manager
and
all
kidding
aside
from
Mr
Herring.
As
far
as
a
consultant,
there
are
people
that
that
help
us
with
the
strategy
in
creating
something.
So
we
can
deal
with
this,
but
at
least
this
gives
you
this
this
fund
was
created
in
2001.
Is
that
correct?
A
A
They
may
I
mean
we
kind
of
got
into
that
with
a
storm
water.
You
know
the
storm
water
impact.
Was
it
the
stormwater
impact.
L
Feet:
water
and
see
where
rates
was.
A
Right,
study
and-
and
we
talked
about
that
sort
of
thing
as
well
and
I
mean
the
answer-
is
yes
or
no?
Do
you
do.
A
A
L
Of
the
strategies
that
the
other
local
communities
have
done
to
rely
on,
you
know
penny
for
Pinellas,
money
or
other
ways
to
ramp
up
the
fee
or
financing
mechanisms,
whether
it's
interim
financing
or
banknotes.
So,
but
these
are
all
strategies
that
you
know
Ron's
going
to
certainly
have
some
familiarity
with
tube,
and
we
can
bring
a
lot
of
that
local
knowledge
to
Bear,
to
give
you
some
options
so.
L
A
For
this
evenings,
you
want
the
the
sufficiency
study
approved
is.
A
L
A
All
right,
why
don't
we
do
that?
Then
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
B
A
G
D
Thank
you,
Mark
Bob,
Robertson
project
administration,
department,
director
and
for
this
item,
I'm
going
to
provide,
provide
some
project
updates,
highlighting
some
of
the
higher
profile
projects.
I'll
keep
my
projects
from
my
projects.
My
comments,
brief.
As
a
reminder
to
you
and
the
public.
We
keep
a
project
update
spreadsheet
on
the
city
website
and
we
update
that
Weekly
browse
to
the
city
site
or
simply
Google
search
the
keywords,
Tarpon
Springs
projects-
and
it's
usually
the
first
thing
that
pops
up
so
reminder
on
that
we
manage
monitor
or
track
currently
42
projects.
D
I'm
going
to
highlight,
looks
like
I
got
about
11
on
the
list
here,
so
I'll
get
through
them
quickly.
Here
the
first
is
the
anklet
River
dredge.
D
We
are
facing
a
delay
on
that
project
thanks
to
the
hurricane
and
not
because
we
saw
damage
to
any
infrastructure
or
the
work
that's
been
done
here
in
the
city,
but
because
the
contractor
who's,
the
primary
sub
who's
doing
the
the
excavation
work
and
the
land
movement
is
well
they're
based
in
Fort
Myers,
so
they
saw
some
damage
so
we're
targeting
December
for
start
of
dredge
activities
and
in
the
coming
months
the
Army
Corps
project
manager
is
going
to
come
back
to
this
board
and
give
you
all
an
update
on
the
dredging
of
the
outer
cuts.
D
That
date
is
uncertain
at
this
time,
but
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
that
when
that's
to
be
coming
when
that
comes
next,
one
is
the
pant
gross
stormwater
project.
This
is
the
project
out
here
by
City
Hall,
that
where
we
had
the
contractor,
walk
off
the
project
and
we've
worked
through
our
claim
with
The
Surety,
they
have
received
proposals
for
the
recovery
or
takeover
contractor.
We
have
not
seen
those
yet
and
I,
don't
have
a
time
clear
timeline
on
when
we're
going
to
get
those.
D
But
there
has
been
some
progress
on
that
one
and,
of
course,
I
will.
Let
you
all
know
the
next
one
I'll
touch
on
is
the
Orange
Street
rebrick
project,
that's
from
ring
all
the
way
to
alt
19..
We
have
a
draft
analysis
that
we've
received
currently
reviewing
on
the
staff
level
we're
preparing
a
public
information
package
that
will
put
on
connect,
Tarpon
Springs
to
get
some
public
input
and
we'll
bring
it
to
the
boc.
Probably
early
next
year
to
discuss
alternatives
highlight
the
clerk's
office
construction.
D
Our
contractor
is,
is
conscientious
and
they're,
aware
of
the
disruption
that
this
Project's
going
to
cause
when
they
get
moving
here.
So
what
they're
doing
is
they're
working
to
secure
all
the
materials
and
long
lead
items
before
they
mobilize?
We
know
that's
going
to
be
disruptive
here
on
the
city
hall
campus.
The
idea
here
is
to
build
it
in
a
continuous
effort
to
reduce
the
risk
of
material
shortages
during
construction.
D
First
action
we're
going
to
see
on
this
is
probably
in
about
three
months
or
so
where
they
begin
clearing
and
preparing
the
parking
lot
on
the
very
south
end
here
of
the
city
hall.
Campus
and
I'll
send
a
notice
when
that
gets
closer
touch
on
the
Tarpon
Avenue
roadway
project.
That's
progressing
very
quickly.
If
you
notice
the
work,
that's
happening
out
there,
that's
all
since
the
hurricane,
so
they
are
definitely
making
quick
strides.
D
I
want
to
note
that
it
has
taken
quite
a
lot
longer
than
we
expected.
This
project
has
primarily
due
to
some
unexpected
subsurface
conditions
that
cause
some
very
difficulty.
Watering
and
excavation
issues,
so
I
will
be
preparing
a
change
order
with
a
detailed
memo
explaining
what
we
need.
That's
also
going
to
include
some
FEMA
reimbursable
project
expenses
that
were
incurred
as
a
result
of
preparing
for
and
demobilizing
and
remobilizing
as
a
result
of
the
hurricane
going
to
the
Craig
Park
Seawall.
D
While
we
await
the
determination
of
a
possible
two
million
dollar
Federal
grant
for
the
seawall
and
sidewalk
upgrades
at
Craig
park,
I'm
going
to
be
preparing
a
memo
outlining
some
optimization
and
funding
options
for
this
project
that
the
mayor
alluded
to
earlier
in
the
meeting
I
expect
to
have
this
to
you
in
November.
We
think
we
can
reduce
the
scope
of
the
project
somewhat
by,
while
still
maintaining
the
intent
of
the
project
and
make
better
use
of
the
arpa
funds,
we're
going
to
need
to
close
that
Gap
and
I.
D
Think
we'll
probably
talk
about
that
more
when
we
get
to
arpa
later
touch
on
the
lemon
and
Shattuck
product.
A
project
that
brick
and
storm
water
project
is
design
is
complete.
We're
working
through
some
final
stormwater
design
considerations
before
we
put
it
out
to
bid
probably
next
month,
just
a
few
more
here,
we'd
come
by
you.
This
is
the
project
we're
working
with
arcadis.
The
next
phase
of
that
work
with
arcadis
is
going
to
begin
soon.
D
This
phase,
as
was
presented
to
the
previous
board,
asks
arcadis
to
complete
more
detailed
designs
so
that
they
can
use
that
to
submit
for
grant
funding
a
couple
of
important
notes
on
this.
One
first
is
that
FEMA
has
changed
its
brick
scoring
rubric
that
bric,
that
was
the
the
Brick
grant
that
we
originally
thought
we
were
going
to
pursue
they've.
There
are
now
enhancing
categories
that
our
project
does
not
include.
So
what
that
means
is
well
arcadis
is
advising
that
our
chances
for
getting
a
brick
Grant
are
very
low.
D
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
working
towards
here
and
a
reminder
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
will
be
a
City
match
of
some
amount
required
for
most
grants
and
typically
ranging
from
10
to
25
percent,
and
that
has
not
been
determined
yet
on
the
h
g
p,
I'm
going
to
be
preparing
an
analysis
memo
to
send
to
you
to
try
to
take
some
time
to
unpack
all
this.
D
There's
a
lot
that
I
just
said
and
I
want
to
explain
our
options
a
little
more
as
we
move
forward
coming
up
in
the
next
month,
or
so
a
couple
more
here
to
wrap
up
the
Martin
Luther
King
South,
Spring
Boulevard,
intersection
project.
D
The
design
is
at
60
and
moving
along
50
to
60
percent
I'm,
hoping
we
can
put
it
out
in
January
to
bid
I
I'm,
well
aware
that
there's
a
concern
about
the
timing
of
this
project
related
to
the
Beckett
Bridge
Project,
and
at
this
point
all
indications
are
that
our
project
will
be
completed
before
that
project
starts
at
the
end
of
next
year
and
I
can
give
you
some
more
updates
on
that.
D
If
we
need
to,
and
finally
I
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
CRA
items
for
you,
the
Jitney
display
garage
and
the
railroad
semaphore
arm
restoration
projects,
the
Jitney
design
and
construction
cost
estimate
is
150
000.
We
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
set
aside
for
that
project
and
the
semaphore
restoration,
with
a
fresh
powder
coat
and
a
signal
arm
restored
signal
arm.
Construction
cost
is
25
000
where
we
had
set
aside.
Fifty
five
thousand
for
that
one,
so
that's
a
total
of
175
000
and
we've
got
155
allocated.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
the
board
is
comfortable
for
with
us
moving
forward
with
both
of
those
projects,
and
we
will
be
bringing
this
back
to
the
CRA
for
approval
and
you'll
get
to
see
the
final
design
before
we
put
it
out
the
bid.
If
there
needs
to
be
an
extended
discussion
about
this
one,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
CRA
Mark.
D
If
you
want
to
discuss
that
any
further,
but
just
wanted
to
mention
those
two,
that's
really
the
only
question
we
had
for
the
board
on
these
items
tonight
so
that
summary
that
captures
11
projects
in
13
minutes
I
hope
I
did
okay
there
back
to
you
mayor
no.
A
It
was
great
all
all
presentations
ought
to
be
like
that.
I.
Try,
let's
go
to
public
comment.
Are
there
any
public
comments
this
evening?
The
four
of
you
that
are
here,
Mr
jumper
there,
any
remote
access
comments.
M
M
It
seems
to
me
that
we're
hung
up
with
some
easement
issues.
Is
that
not
going
well?
Is
it
who's
negotiating
with
this
homeowners?
Is
it
our?
Our
legal
team,
obviously
is
not
anymore.
So.
D
We
have
resolved
all
of
our
easement
issues.
We've
taken
care
of
all
the
ones
that
we
need
to
do.
Those
are
related
to
the
the
water
and
wastewater
piping
that
we
need
to
take
care
of.
So
our
issues
are
resolved
in
that
respect,
I
know
the
County's
still
working
some
of
them
through
some
of
their
own
and
I.
Also,
the
the
update
I
gave
you
I
think
I
reported
last
time
that
the
county
is
applying
for
a
grant
and
that's
still
true.
D
They
submitted
that
a
Grant
application
in
September
and
they
included
our
infrastructure
in
that
Grant,
which
we
were
very
excited
about,
because
we
were
going
to
have
to
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
relocate
those
pipes.
M
Actually,
the
county
that's
working
on
the
homeowners.
This
is
this
is
my
concern
because
I
don't
know
a
month
or
two
ago,
they
surveyed
the
area,
and
you
saw
the
right-of-way
survey
stakes
and,
quite
frankly,
they
ran
through
quite
a
few
yards,
so
I'm,
assuming
that
there's
more
than
one
homeowner
involved
here.
D
I
understand
that
and
in
my
understanding
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
county
too
much
here,
but
my
understanding
is
what
mostly,
what
they
need.
Are
temporary
construction
easements
they're
not
buying
more
roadway
to
build
a
wider
road,
so
they're
talking
about
being
able
to
some
trees
that
need
to
be
removed
that
are
in
the
right
of
way
they're
in
the
way
of
drainage.
The
new
drainage.
M
M
Yeah,
we
don't
seem
to
get
a
lot
of
detail
from
the
county
as
far
as
their
progress
on
this.
If
you
go
to
their
website
and
search
through
their
site,
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
detail
at
all
and
that
that
actually
concerns
me
too
is
there,
do
we
have
a
or
is
it
you
that's
the
data
daily
liaison
with
benellis?
Is
there
a
reason
for
them
not
giving
this
any
more
information,
or
do
they
just
not
care?
Well.
D
I
I
would
say
that,
first
of
all,
yes
I'm,
the
liaison
and
I
meet
roughly
every
two
weeks
with
the
project
manager
with
the
county
to
share
information
and
check
in
with
things
they're
they're.
For
legal
reasons.
They
don't
share
a
lot
of
the
information
about
ongoing
negotiations.
They
can't
do
that.
They
can't
share
that
with
me.
But
that's
why
I
showed
you
told
you
what
I
know
is.
M
F
G
Right,
but
we
can
try
to
get
some
updates,
especially
on
the
concern
of
the
property
and
stuff
see
if
we
can
get
some
more
data,
what
they
can
tell
us
if
they're
near
or
closed
just
waiting
to
sign
the
agreements
have
any
hold
up.
Let's
try
to
find
that
information
and
get
it
back
for
the
commission.
A
K
The
county
is
open
to
having
conversations
as
well
to
the
project
manager
of
the
bridge
and
then
also
I
forget
that
Mr
Washburn
I
think
is
one
of
the
assistant
directors
too.
So
they're
well,
I
mean,
if
you
could
reach
out
to
them
and
they'll
be
happy
to
meet
with
you.
I've
done
that
a
few
times
over
the
past
six
years.
K
K
Going
to
the
couple
items
that
you
you
asked
about,
where
the
CRA
I
mean
it's
a
25
000
above
what
the
initial
budget
was.
There's
plenty
of
money
in
the
CRA
I
think
it's
the
25
000
shouldn't
be
a
problem
both
of
those
items,
one's
a
restoration
of
the
semifold
arm,
which
is
needed,
and
the
second
one
is
putting
a
Jitney
on
display,
which
is
also
a
great
asset,
to
show
it's
not
just
sitting
back
behind
the
public
works
collecting
dust.
K
So
both
of
those
make
sense
to
me,
one
of
the
items
that
is
I
see
progress.
Working
on
mirrors,
but
there's
like
a
small
portion
of
sidewalk,
that's
been
missing
like
right
at
the
entrance
of
the
waste
dump,
it's
like
maybe
eight
feet
and
all
the
sidewalk's
been
done
for
like
weeks
and
it's
just
this
one
spot.
So
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
someone
you
could
Chase
on
that
one
and
try
to
figure
out
what's
going
on
there.
But
that
was
intentional
because
they.
D
K
Fair
enough
I'll
go
over
some
stuff
with
you
individually,.
D
K
J
Thank
you
mayor.
Most
of
my
questions,
I've
gone
through
with
Bob
Robertson
and
prior
to
this,
so
I
really
don't
have
any
questions.
I
do
want
to.
The
only
thing
is
I.
Do
want
to
question
amount,
the
money
for
that
Jitney
garage
as
well
I
I'm
going
to
bring
that
up
and
the
the
other
comment
that
we
spoke
about
earlier
on
the
Orange
Street
about
not
having
it
zigzag
between
hibiscus
and
Safford,
but
other
than
that.
You
know,
I'm,
just
glad
that
everything
is
moving
along
and
if
I
only
have
any.
D
C
I
Thank
you
mayor.
Just
thank
you
for
putting
us
all
together.
It
seems
like
you,
guys,
have
a
lot
of
work
and
work
with
us.
How
we're
gonna
time
these
projects
out
yeah
I
would
make
a
recommendation
for
this
board
to
consider
and
maybe
have
in
the
project
manager
from
the
Beckett
Bridge,
come
to
come
to
City
Hall
and
speak
to
us
and
give
us
an
update,
if
possible,
collectively.
Just.
I
I
Is
that
something
this
board
would
want
to
consider
in
the
future
considering
some
work
that
needs
to
be
done
in
the
Sponge
Docks
prior
to
a
nice
sign
going
in
the
area
and
other
than
that
you
got,
you
know
you
got,
you
have
a
lot
on
your
plate,
and
you
know
this.
A
lot
of
progress
is
going
to
get
done
with
with
this
board
and
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge.
I
know
we're
going
to
inconvenience
a
lot
of
residents,
you
know,
but
it's
got
to
get
done
at
some
point.
A
14
is
I'm,
sorry,
is
the
project
update
and
Direction,
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
you're.
Looking
for
one
thing
we
can
do
is
cancel
that
project
officially
so
and
I
I
think
you
mentioned
it
was
earlier
today:
Mr
Robertson.
There
was
some
funds
associated
with
your
mark
for
that
that
we
could
release
and
I.
A
Go
to
another,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
do
that
tonight.
Then,
if
that's
acceptable
and
we'll
do
that-
and
we
just
you
know,
it's
everything's
moving
along
I
mean
it's.
There
is
no
shortage
of
work
in
Tarpon,
Springs
and,
and
you
know,
I
I
don't
mind
moving
just
a
tiny
bit
slowly,
so
we
don't
make
any
mistakes.
A
The
Beckett
Bridge
thing
is:
is
a
there's
a
there's,
a
ward
for
it.
It's
a
very
complicated
project
with
a
lot
of
moving
Parts.
Well,
I
mean
it's
two
steps
forward,
one
step
back
and
the
the
right
away.
You
are,
the
construction.
Easements
are
going
to
be
an
issue
because
I
do
know
that
at
least
one
resident
there's
some
issues
with
a
tree
being
removed
that
was
planted
there
by
a
relative
sometime
some
years
ago.
A
So
there's
some
issues
there,
I
don't
have
anything
more
I,
see
Mr,
Robertson
and
and
from
time
to
time,
and
if
there's
a
question
I
ask
him:
I
do
think
that
some
of
the
CRA
projects
we
need
to
talk
about
as
far
as
the
downtown
beautification
and
some
other
things.
We
could
do
that
at
a
you
know.
The
next
meeting
CRA
meeting
that
we
have
I'm
not
sure
when
that's
going
to
be
but
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
again.
A
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
and
does
do
any
Commissioners
have
any
specific
directions
that
you
want
to
give
commissioner
Eisenberg?
Yes,.
J
I
want
to
agree
with
what
commissioner
Cooley
has
said.
Some
of
these
projects
I'd
like
to
go
through
and
see
what
we
could
table.
You
know
whether
it
be
temporary
or
permanent
projects
that
were
done
in
the
past.
J
That
do
are
not
pertinent
to
the
well-being
of
of
Tarpon
Springs,
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
the
money
be
put
towards
things
that
are
more
on
an
emergency
basis
than
just
plain
beautification,
but
I'll
I'm
going
to
sit
down
with
the
city
manager
yeah
and
try
to
make
a
list
up
and
we'll
just
go
through
it
and
see
how
the
vote
goes.
If
it's
good,
it's
good,
if
it's
not
it's
not
so
yeah.
A
A
So
I
guess
what
I
got.
A
K
I
totally
understand
the
Gateway
sign.
I
know
that
was
a
past
board
initiative.
The
dollar
set
aside
was
for
something
basically
very
Grand.
We
still
have
a
Sponge
Docks
that
we
have
zero
signage.
That
says
sponge
Dock,
so
you
could
do
something
much
smaller
much
less
cost
I.
Think
it's
like
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
was
set
aside,
Mark
or
maybe
125.
You
could
do
something
for
a
few
thousand
dollars.
At
least.
Maybe
you
could
talk
to
the
property
owners.
It
just
puts
a
small
sign
up
there.
K
M
Is
worth
it
has
anybody
looked
at
what
Safety
Harbor
has
done?
There's
signage
as
you
drive
up
the
Philippi
Parkway
there
and
you
and
you
get
to
the
marina
area,
which
is
exactly
the
beginning
of
Safety
Harbor
from
a
town
point
of
view.
That
sign
just
basically
says:
welcome
to
Safety
Harbor
has
a
map
of
of
local
attractions
or
whatever
down
their
main
Drive
egg
and
some
other
bits
of
community
information,
and
that's
it
and
it
works
perfectly
it's
and
it
doesn't
cost
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
yeah
requirements.
Four
months
of
design
work
right.
I
May
or
may
say
yes,
please
go
ahead
now
that
we
brought
up
the
signs.
It
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
maybe
we
should
consider
having
a
sign
that
says
to
the
Sponge
Docks
on
US
19
from
live
oak
or
some
one
of
those
other
streets
that
way
can
help
redirect
or
funnel
people
to
take
those
roads
to
get
to
the
Sponge
Docks.
I
We
do
know
at
times
you
know
First,
Fridays
and
other
events
can
help
it
detours
the
aspect
of
getting
going
down,
Tarpon
Avenue
and
going
straight
to
the
sponge
Dock.
So
maybe
a
sign,
that's
very
cost
effective,
like
a
traffic
sign
to
let
people
know
so.
This.
A
I
agree
with
you
on
that
I
just
I
mean
honestly.
We
started
out
the
whole
discussion
with
the
Gateway
sign
as
a
simple
sign,
and
then
next
thing
you
know
it
ballooned
into
this
Gateway
that
we
were
talking
about
I,
don't
know
how
much
time
we
spent
on
that.
So
what
I
would
like
to
recommend
to
the
commission
is
that
we
go
ahead
and
cancel
this
thing
and
then
start
over
as
far
as
a
sign
maybe
take
into
account
some
directional
sign
from
US
19
to
get
the
people
down
there.
A
Maybe
a
simple
monolith,
I
think
that's
something
along
that
line
as
far
as
identifying
the
Sponge
Docks
there
at
DOTA,
Denise
and
Alternate
19,
probably
on
this
Avenue,
where
you
turn
but
I,
think
for
right
now,
and
we
could
certainly
still
hold
the
money
in
reserves,
but
the
whole
idea
is
I
was
kidding
around
with
the
city
manager.
Today,
this
Gateway
sign
I
actually
got
a
call
about
that.
Today,
from
a
resident
I
thought,
we've
got
that
we
put
that
behind
us.
I
said
we
did
and
about
10
minutes
ago.
A
I
had
that
same
conversation
with
the
city
manager.
So
I
think
from
the
standpoint
of
this,
the
the
evolution
that
we
went
through
and
got
to
where
we
had
this
grandiose
project
that
we
were
talking
about.
It
might
be
best
just
to
clear
the
books
on
it.
Keep
the
money
in
reserves.
If
we
want
city
manager,
can
do
that
without
any
problem
and
then
come
back
with
something
like
some
simple
sign
or
a
monolith
and
then
take
into
account
some
directional
sign
from
us.
19.
M
A
Except
accept
the
report
and
then
with
a
motion,
including
the
motion
to
remove
project
18
from
the
project
list.
A
Base
Maryland.
Yes,
yes,
thank
you,
Mr
Robertson!
Thank
you.
Let's
see
the
next
thing.
Are
you
up
on
the
next
one?
There
yeah.
L
F
G
Ron
can
start
well.
I'll
start
talking
around
can
start
going
again
we're
coming
back
to
you
to
to
give
you
some
some
updates,
some
updates
on
our
numbers.
As
we
told
you
before,
this
is
a
working
document
we're
all
we
we
gave
you
cost.
We
gave
you
estimates
and,
and
we've
also
in
the
meantime,
looking
for
different
fundings.
G
G
The
second
one
I
want
to
address,
because
it's
not
time
sensitive,
we've
done
some
new
figuring
new
configuration
of
cost
to
lower
the
arpa
funding,
request
and
and
I've
brought
the
team
forward.
Who's
worked
on
that
mostly
Tommy
Kiger
Suzanne
Clinton,
and
so
we
want
to
talk
about
the
new
number
that
we're
we're
asking
for,
obviously
with
what
happened
in
Dunedin
and
again,
theirs
didn't
hit
their
plants,
but
there's
you
know
reason
we
won't
go
into
for
security
reasons,
but
it's
still
a
scary
thing.
G
G
Looking
at
an
additional
one
from
one
of
the
addendums
we
have
is,
we
do
have
that's
coming
up
in
a
later
agenda
item
funding
for
the
land
purchase
not
only
for
storm
water,
but
for
preservation
of
the
land
on
Florida
Avenue
and
we've
got
a
revised
funding
request
where
we've
got
some
money
from
other
sources
and
have
reduced
the
arpa
funding
request
to
400
000,
knowing
on
that,
one
that
we're
not
going
to
have
to
spend
the
money
until
after
the
referendum
of
March.
G
So
there
still
could
be
some
adjustments
and
I,
don't
know
if
there'll
be
any
funds
available,
but
right
now,
Ron
and
your
backup
has
some
tentative
funding
and
the
house
to
commit
400
000
of
the
720,
some
odd
thousand
for
that
project.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
we
want
to
look.
Can
you
think
of
Ron
any
of
the
other
updates
you've
made
in
in
arfa
and
then
we'll
go
forward
with
with
addressing?
G
C
Yeah,
basically,
this
is
the
same
form
that
we
had.
You
know
back
when
we're
working
on
the
budget.
The
major
changes
since
then
have
been.
We
added
cyber
security
on
the
front
sheet.
Here
we
have
700
000
proposed,
come
out
of
arpa.
A
And
then
the
other
700
000
will
come
out
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund
like
Bob's,
got
some
changes
to
the
Craig
Park
Seawall
section
one
where
we
used
to
be
funding
more
out
of
ARP
and
now
it's
1.8
million
out
of
out
of
that
arpa
and
Ross
property.
G
G
I
guess,
if
we
maybe
look
at
the
addressing
the
the
chamber,
then
we've
got
a
presentation
on
the
on
the
our
profender
for
cyber
security.
Bob
do
spring
Boulevard
sea
wall
and
you
know,
maybe
if
we
need
to
he'll,
also
talk
about
the
the
Ross
property
and
what
our
breakdown.
A
Is
for
that
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Let's
take
the
let's
take
the
two
right
now,
together,
cyber
security
in
the
chamber.
Quest
do
I'm
going
to
ask
whether
there's
any
public
comments.
Miss
hungerville
you're.
Here
you
don't
need
to
make
a
comment
but
you're
here.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions,
are
there
any
public
comments?
A
Mr
jumper?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
C
F
F
Avenue,
when
I'm
looking
at
all
the
different
projects,
it
is
important
to
look
at
the
cyber
security,
but
the
one
I
really
had
a
question
about,
and
maybe
y'all
can
discuss
it
later.
I
know
about
the
Ross
property
for
the
storm
water
and
the
other
needs
down
there
off
of
Florida
Avenue,
and
we
know
about
the
long
wanted
cocorus
Park
but
I'm
curious
about
the
third
one.
On
that
page
too,
where
it
says
land
purchase,
status,
property,
3.25
million
now,
which
property
is?
F
That
is
that,
where
we're
putting
the
spoil,
because
I
thought
they
said
they
didn't
want
to
sell
it
so
which
property?
Are
we
talking
about?
That's
the
Samus
property,
but
other
than
that?
I'll
leave
the
rest
of
the
debating
up
to
y'all
as
to
whether
to
additionally
fund
any
other
aspects.
The
chamber
does
seem
to
have
a
valid
concern
and
just
and
doesn't
seem
to
be
too
much
out
of
a
1.4.
F
A
Okay,
yeah
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
properties
in
that
one
as
well.
That's
one
thing:
I
want
to
talk
about
as
well,
so
thank
you.
Mr
delacas,
any
other
remote
access
comments,
Mr
jump.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
go
to
commission
comments
now
and
talk
about
either
the
cyber
security
of
the
chamber.
Ms
Linton
is
here
and
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
is
here,
but
Ms
hungerville
had
provided
us
for
a
a
memorandum
and
and
that's
pretty
straightforward.
It's
just
to
recover
the
covid
from
the
covet
and
and
without
having
to
borrow
any
money.
Let
me
go
to
Vice
Maryland.
M
Okay,
so
let
me
cover
the
cyber
security
first
go
ahead,
so
I
actually
have
read
pretty
much
all
the
material
in
our
cyber
security
department
as
far
as
Audits
and
so
forth,
I've
got
to
admit
I'm
more
pleased
at
the
at
the
1.4
million
dollars,
rather
than
the
two
million
dollars
that
we
were
discussing.
Originally,
my
initial
thought.
After
going
through
this,
was
hey.
Why
isn't
Water
and
Sewer
paying?
M
For
you
know
their
security
Etc
as
much
as
you
know,
coming
from
the
general
fund
Etc
so
after
it
resolved
to
this
I
want
to
say
that
that
I
think
it's
a
coherent
plan.
I've
seen
the
plan.
M
I,
obviously
can't
divulge
too
much
information
publicly,
but
it's
solid
and
it's
responsive
and
I.
Think
from
my
part
anyway.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
move
forward
to
forward
with
sooner,
rather
than
later,
glad
to
see
that
that
part
of
this
balance
has
been
moved
to
to
water
and
sewers
I
initially
thought
it
should
be.
So
what
happened?
M
Excuse
me,
as
far
as
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
I
think
this
is
a
a
perfect
use
of
arpa
funds.
This
is
what
Arbor
was
meant
for
to
make
things
whole
for
your
city
when,
when
disruption
has
been
caused
by
covid
and
obviously
canceling,
you
know
major
events
that
are
that
are
contributory
to
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
happened
because
of
covet.
M
They
had
to
cancel
events,
they
couldn't
have
events
I,
think
the
chamber
does
a
a
load
of
good
stuff
for
our
city,
they're
out
there
and
they're
promoting
us
all
the
time,
they're
they're,
helping
the
businesses
Etc,
they
do
a
good
job
for
us,
they
throw
great
events
and
so
I'm
all
for
it,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
on
those
two
things.
A
I
think
Mr
kyger's
here
as
well
right
there
you
go,
commissioner
Carr.
K
Gonna
talk
about
anything
else
tonight:
yes,
okay,
cyber
security,
yes
chamber,
no.
J
That's
all
that
was
it
wow
well,
I
did
speak
also
with
Susan
and
Tom
is
yes,
and
you
know
I'm
for
this
to
spend
the
money.
I
was
glad
to
hear
what
vice
mayor
had
to
say.
This
is
more
his
expertise
than
it
is
mine.
I
take
my
hat
off
to
the
butcher,
Baker
and
Candlestick
maker.
So
on
that
on
that
aspect,
I'm
in
agreement,
as
far
as
to
the
chamber,
I,
think
they're
doing
a
great
job
everywhere.
J
I
I'm
in
support
of
the
of
the
chamber
I
understand
that
some
of
their
major
events
were
completely
impacted
by
covid,
and
you
know
they
do
a
great
job
in
supporting
new
business,
so
older
businesses
in
the
neighborhoods
and
and
just
doing
everything
to
keep
Commerce
going
and
Tarpon
so
I'm
all
for
it.
I
was
happy
to
see
that
we
did
allocate
some
money
from
arpa
funds
to
cyber
security
in
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
and
I'm
going
to
follow.
I
Vice
mayor's
lead
and
his
expertise
with
it
and
from
the
Citizens
Academy
we
saw
I
was
able
to
attend
one
of
the
classes
where
overwhelming
support
was
from
the
from
the
citizens,
taking
the
academy
about
having
our
water
and
our
sewer
and
everything
just
secure.
So
they
understand
the
importance
of
it
and
I
even
made
a
joke
by
saying:
hey,
you
guys
don't
mind
us
spending
these
this
money
on
on
this
infrastructure,
cyber
security
and
they
they
didn't
hesitate
and
said.
I
A
Thank
you,
I
think
both
are
wise
expenses
and
I.
Don't
have
anything
more
I've
already
talked
to
Miss
hungerville
about
this,
and
also
cyber
security
has
been
a
work
in
progress
and
we've
kind
of
lived
through
things
and
continuing
to
live
through
things,
and
that
demonstrates
necessity
for
it.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
expenditure
of
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
cyber
security.
This
is
out
of
the
arpa
fund
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
Grant
to
the
to
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
Tarpon
Springs
Chamber
of
Commerce.
A
A
Okay,
let's
go
to
the
properties
now,
there's
there's
actually
the
the
south
Florida
property
that
is
on
the
table
and
we're
going
to
have
an
agenda
item
to
approve
the
contract
on
that
the
course
Park
property
and
then
also
the
Stamos
property
and
and
the
the
let's
just
have
a
discussion
to
see
where
that
goes.
The
Stamos
property
is
something
that
I'm
adding
on
here,
because
the
the
price
tag
from
about
I
think
3.2
is
what
we
have
funded
right.
A
Yes,
yeah
and
I
think
it's
up
to
5.5
and
it
and
then
it's
not
like
it's
an
asking.
There's
been
some
activity
on
the
property
at
about
that
level,
so
we
probably
need
to
kind
of
abandon
that
and
start
looking
for
some
other
property.
It's
a
pretty
healthy
price
for
property
for
a
disposal
site.
So
let
me
go
to
public
comments
again
concerning
the
south,
Florida
property
course
park
or
Stamos
property.
A
Any
public
comments,
no
okay,
Mr
jumper!
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
the.
Let
me
just
start
with
the
same
manager.
Is
there
anything
specific
you
want
to
talk
about
on
these.
G
Things
well
again
on
the
three
properties:
I
agree
with
the
mayor:
I've
been
involved
with
the
negotiation
board,
the
5.4
is
way
out
of
our
I
mean
it's
just
it's
just
way
out,
and
you
know
that
just
probably
needs
to
be
taken
off,
but
with
taking
it
off,
we
need
to
be
looking
for
another
because
it
is
a
spoil
from
from
former
commissioner
galakis.
It
is
the
president
spoil
site
and
we
do
need
to
be
looking
so
it
may
be.
G
I
mean
we
need
to
take
this
off,
because
it's
Out
Of
Reach,
but
I
also
need
to
begin
with
my
team,
the
search
for
a
possible
another
piece
of
property
that
may
come
back
later,
but
for
the
time
being,
I
think
this
can
come
off
chorus,
Park,
which
I've
probably
been
negotiating
to
try
to
get
for
five
or
six
years.
It's
still
in
their
hands.
We
did
the
appraisal,
we
sent
the
appraisal
to
them.
We're
waiting.
G
The
appraisal
was
160
000
we
offered
two
hundred
thousand
and
we've
been
waiting
a
month
and
we've
been
asking
the
there
is.
There
is
an
attorney
involved
that
they've
got
involved
and
the
last
we
talked
to
her
she's
awaiting
the
decision
of
her
client,
so
that's
on
hold,
but
that
that
is
one
I'll
bring
back
to
you
right
now.
G
You
know
and
and
I
imagine
it's
going
to
be
counted
a
little
higher
and
and
but
we
kind
of
know
the
range,
the
the
160
to
300
000
range,
but
again,
I
can't
bring
that
back
to
you
until
I
even
have
the
the
idea
of
the
offer,
but
that
that
I
think
we
need
on
the
list
for
a
possible
future
funding,
or
you
want
to
put
it
aside
for
a
night
and
the
third
one,
the
Ross
property.
G
As
you
see
the
breakdown
from
Ron
trying
to
look
at
different
sources
as
of
right
now,
you
know
we
would
be
asking
we
don't
have
to
have
it
now,
but
we'd
be
asking
the
commit
a
low,
400
000
of
the
arpa
funding.
Let
me
get
his
memo
that
was
attached,
he's
Pros
right
now
and
again.
This
is
not
money.
G
That
will
be
in
the
thing
it
can't
be
used
for
anything
later
and
that's
that's
how
the
that's,
how
the
sales
agreement
that's,
how
to
be
written,
so
anybody
I
know,
there's
concern
about
we're
buying
it,
for
that
now
also
we're
losing
using
some
of
the
land
preservation
funds
that
money.
It
cannot
change
in
the
city
or
future
board
do
anything
else
with
it
because
they
use
that
money.
So
it
will
be
Saturday
very
important
for
the
landowner
that
it
be
kept.
G
The
other
people
have
been
looking
at
the
property
want
to
try
to
squeeze
some
homes
in
there
and
that
kind
of
thing
it's
very
essential.
We've
talked
about
it
before
the
value
of
storm
water,
so,
right
now
the
proposal
is
to
put
aside.
Obviously
we
don't
have
to
spend,
because
with
proposals
to
put
400
000
aside
from
our
for
money
to
go
towards
that
purchase
some
if
it
passes
referendum
in
March,
okay,.
M
Okay
so
well,
I'll
go
in
reverse
order
here.
As
far
as
the
Ross
property
I
think,
it's
probably
something
that
we
need
to
do.
M
M
My
question
would
be
because
it's
preservation
only
whether
we
have
intentions
of
turning
it
into
a
park
or
whether
we're
just
going
to
leave
it
natural
the
way
it
is
because
right
now,
there's
just
a
Swale
through
that
that
property
that's
aiding
in
the
drainage
and
if
the
city
owns,
let's
say
he's
going
to
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
maintaining
it
from
my
perspective
anyway.
So
is
that
a
possibility
that.
G
Could
be
again,
the
first
concern
is
the
storm
water
and,
and
the
possibility
of
what's
needed
there
and
looked
at
is
probably
future
just
what
the
commitment
is
is
they
have
not
be
built
on?
Yes,.
G
I
don't
want
to
say
the
different
servers
that
happen
at
Death
Zone,
but
but
again,
the
only
reason
we've
gone
out
the
last
15
years
to
try
to
help
with
some
of
the
flooding
of
that
neighborhood
out.
There
is
because
he
signed
the
permission
to
us
to
enter
so
that's
the
big
importance,
because
that
could
end
that
could
end
or
if
he
sells
it,
that
could
end
and
we
have
no
access
and
then
we
have
serious
issues
with
what
we
do
with
the
storm
water.
So,
okay.
M
So
I'm
I'm
actually
for
that
purchase.
If
we
have
to
use
arpa
funding
to
do
that,
you
know
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
be
it
let's.
Let's
do
that!
Excuse
me
chorus
park,
that's
a
that's
a
no-brainer
to
me!
I,
don't
I!
Think
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
a
little
high
for
something
that
came
in
with
a
with
a
an
appraisal
of
160,
but
I'm
sure
your
negotiating
skills
will
get
that
down
into
some
sort
of
reasonable
area.
M
The
established
property
from
my
perspective
is
way
too
expensive.
We
have
a
lease
on
it
now,
I,
don't
I
can't
remember
exactly
when
that
lease
ends
it's
going
to
be
used
for
spoil.
What
do
we
do
after?
We
don't
need
it
for
spoil
I
mean
we
don't
dredge
the
Anglo
Basin
that
often
that
we
need
a
permanent
spoil
site.
So
do
we.
A
Yeah,
let
me
explain
the
one
condition
that
the
Army
Corps
has.
Is
that
we're
the
local
sponsor
for
the
dredging
I
understand.
M
A
A
Obviously
the
because
the
market,
the
price
has
gone
up,
so
we've
got
to
find
another
parcel.
The
one
positive
attribute
desirable
attribute
of
this
property
is
it's
outside
the
flood
plain
it's
high,
and
so
we
don't
need
a
disposal
upon
property
that
is
outside
the
flood
plain.
We
could
actually
have
something,
that's
in
the
flood
plain
and
would
be
cheaper
land
as
well.
So
there
is
some
property,
it's
just
the
idea
of
identifying
it
and
getting
the
the
acceptance
from
dep
and
the
Army
Corps.
A
As
far
as
the
effluent,
the
runoff,
once
you
pump
the
the
material
with
the
I
understand,
the
runoff
has
to
get
make
its
way
back
to
the
river
and
that
route
has
to
be
approved
by
the
by
both
dep
in
this
in
the
Army
Corps.
So
but.
A
A
M
M
To
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
Myers
Cove
property,
the
North
End
over
the
river,
that
I
mean
it's,
you
can't
do
anything
with
it
if
we
dump
fill
on
it.
What's
yeah,
that
may
not
be
a
problem
anyway.
So
that's.
K
Yes
to
both
properties,
chorus
and
Ross
I
would
ask
that
we
look
at
pocket
park
play
for
the
Ross
property
as
well
too.
If
there's
an
option
there,
there's
not
really
a
whole
lot
of
parks
in
that
area
of
the
city,
I
think
Trentwood
and
then
Sunset
Beach
are
the
closest
yeah.
K
I
Yes
to
the
Ross
property,
if
chorus,
Park
I
hope
we
can
get
it
somewhere
near
that
you
know
250
and
under
but
we'll
see
and
estamos
property.
I
I,
just
don't
have
an
opinion
on
you
yet
so.
A
Yeah
I'm,
finding
what
we'll
do
is
the
we'll
just
formally
let
the
stamuses
know
that
our
interest
is
not
there
any
longer.
A
The
south
Florida
property
is
fine,
obviously,
and
as
far
as
the
park
school
you
can
come
back,
we
have
to
be
careful.
I.
Think
of
the
maybe
maybe
not
miss
Jacobs
may
have
to
advise
us
on
this,
along
with
whatever
our
attorney
is.
As
far
as
awarding
of
the
ballot
language
for
the
use
of
the
property,
it's
got
to
be
somewhat
specific,
I
believe
the
other
thing
on
The
Concourse,
Park
property.
A
A
There's
absolutely
no
there's,
no
doubt
as
far
as
the
need
being
there
and
so
I
don't
want
to
put
the
city
manager
in
a
position
where
we
just
keep
going
on
for
another
year
or
so,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
buy
this
property,
put
it
to
work
for
the
city
as
a
park
and
get
on
with
whatever
else.
A
We
need
to
do
rather
than
spending
time
trying
to
figure
out
when
they're
going
to
come
back
with
a
price
for
us,
so
I
I
was
thinking,
December,
31st,
I'm,
I'm
open
to
anything
actually,
and
that
turns
me
if
you've
got
a
better
date
than
that.
That's
fine!
You
know
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
need
to
have
an
answer
as
far
as
the
price,
and
then
we
can
decide
whether
we're
going
to
move
ahead
with
that
price
or
not.
A
Is
that
okay,
all
right,
so
the
way
to
handle
is
if
we
can
have
a
motion
to
authorize
expenditure,
400
000
dependent
on
the
referendum
passing
for
the
south
Florida
Pro
Avenue
property,
the
deadline
of
December
31st
for
an
answer
from
the
owners,
as
far
as
the
the
the
course
Park
property,
and
then
simply
to
notify
the
Stamos
family
that
we,
the
city,
had
no
longer
has
an
interest
in
that
property.
If
y'all
could
kind
of
put
that
in
a
motion
in
a
second
I.
A
K
B
I'm,
sorry,
who
was
that
who
second
thought?
Yes,
commissioner:
Eisner.
I
B
I
A
B
A
Now
there's
some
loose
ends.
I
want
to
ask
commissioner
Carr:
did
you
have
anything
specific
you
want
to.
K
Together
I
mean
my
I
I
brought
it
up
multiple
times.
It
pertains
to
just
water
lines,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
arpa
funds
are
intended
for.
We
have
like
I,
think
20
or
the
city
has
like
20
miles
of
iron
water
lines
and
I
meant
to
bring
a
piece
of
iron
to
show
you
all
what
an
iron
cop
iron
pipe
looks
like.
K
There's
just
a
significant
amount
out
there
and
I
know
we
have
some
funds
left.
It's
really
important,
I
think
to
push
some
of
that
forward,
but
I'll
send
Mark
an
email
picture
of
it
and
then
I'll
have
him.
A
So
we
can
stay
with
the
Craig
Park,
Seawall
and
yeah
all
right.
Let's
go
ahead
and
do
that.
Did
you
have
anything
to
say
to
get
started
on
that?
The
great
part
I.
A
D
Robertson,
yes,
sir,
so
The,
quick,
summary
for
Craig
Park
and
the
adjacent
seawalls
we've
looked
at
breaking
it
into
two
phases.
The
first
phase
would
be
everything
it's
in
Craig
Park,
including
the
platform,
and
the
second
phase
would
be
for
later
work,
whereas
we're
talking
about
the
northern
part
where
the
private
docks
are
and
and
the
sidewalk
there
so
to
unpack
that
request
that
we're
putting
in
arpa
the
first
phase
for
the
Craig
Park
area
is
really
two
pieces.
D
The
first
piece
is
the
failing
sidewalk
that
we
want
to
replace
with
a
brand
new
sea
wall
brand
new
sidewalk
and
raise
it
up
to
five
feet.
That's
the
first
part.
The
second
part
is
the
existing
sea
wall
that
runs
around
the
north
and
west
side
of
the
park
instead
of
replacing
that
sea
wall
and
with
a
brand
new
sea
wall
and
raising
it,
which
was
part
of
the
5.1
million
dollars.
D
That
we'd
asked
for
the
federal
government
to
give
us,
instead
of
doing
that,
we're
going
to
look
at
doing
some
we'll
call
it
landscape
sculpting.
Maybe
some
berms
up
through
that
section
to
set
the
elevation
at
five,
but
also
just
come
in
and
do
some
replace
repairs
where
needed
on
the
existing
Seawall.
Most
of
that
Seawall
is
in
pretty
good
shape
and
a
lot
of
it
was
replaced
I
think,
maybe
10
years
ago,
something
like
that.
D
A
D
D
A
future,
that's
how
I
see
that
as
being
a
feature
phase
that
we'd
have
to
look
for
additional
funding.
Somehow
it
could
be
addressed
later,
but.
G
D
Stuff
yeah,
thank
you
Mark.
We
could
do
the
design
as
one
big
package,
maybe
even
split
into
two
design
pieces,
but
take
advantage
of
the
fact
that
we're
spending
money
and
time
doing
all
this
research
and
design
now
capture
all
that
in
design
and
then
work
on
the
construction
phase
later.
So,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
yeah.
G
And
then
we'd
have
a
better
idea
of
the
cost
and
again
as
as
we
move
along
every
month,
looking
for
costs
getting
our
new
Grant
Rider
in,
we
can
be
looking
at
well
more
of
an
idea
of
God.
The
ideal
thing
is
obviously
to
do
it
all
together
and
we've
got
some
time
to
work
on
that
working,
John,
Grant,
looking
at
something
else,
but
I
think
capturing
the
design
and
they're
still
going
to
drop
in
the
ARP
of
money,
we're
asking
for
dropping
that
and
still
accomplishing
what
we
want
and
possible.
G
A
Okay,
so
yeah,
let
me
just
say
my
preference
would
be
to
do
the
whole
thing,
but
I
want
to
work
with
the
commission
on
this.
We
don't
have
a
you
know,
deep
pocket.
So,
let's
go
to.
If
let's
go
to
public
comments,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
B
B
L
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Vice
mayor
Alone,.
M
I'm,
actually,
a
fan
of
doing
the
total
design
for
both
A
and
B,
and
then
proceeding
with
the
a
part
as
far
as
construction,
mostly
because
it
doesn't
make
much
sense
to
do
two
different
designs.
We
need
to
make
sure
the
cohesive
the
design
charges
will
be
somewhat
ameliorated.
Doing
it.
That
way.
Also.
M
Are
we
going
to
have
issues
with
because
the
north
end
of
that
or
the
the
B
part
of
that
there's,
a
lot
of
privately
owned,
docs
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
and
we're
gonna
have
to
individually
negotiate
with
each
homeowner
and
there's
all
nine
of
them?
Yeah.
J
M
Yeah
I
mean
they're
like
up.
Maybe
a
foot
so
I've
been
holding
myself
back
from
running
around
knocking
on
doors
going
like
you,
don't
want
to
do
this
right
now,
but
that
being
as
it's
made
so
we
we
may
want
to
start
those
negotiations
or
at
least
introductions
as
we
start
the
design
phase
of
this,
because
it's
going
to
that's.
A
M
A
A
Okay,
yeah,
let
me
just
say
you
know
I've
kind
of
gone
through
this
visualizing
it
when
you
wrap
around-
and
this
is
just
for
information
for
discussion
when
you
go
around
to
the
private
side.
That's
the
north
side
and
you
go
around
Canal
read
that
sidewalk,
the
the
sidewalk
around
the
Bayou
is
going
to
be
at
a
couple
of
feet:
higher
yeah,
but
the
land
is
actually
going
to
go
back
down
to
the
road.
A
So
there's
going
to
be
some
issues
there
that
we
have
to
work
out
with
the
county,
because
that's
a
county
road,
so
there's
a
whole
lot
of
of
of
I
keep
using
the
word
integration.
There's
got
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
communication
with
the
county.
What
we're
doing
you
know
with
the
the
sidewalks?
The
whole
idea
is
to
prevent
inundation
from
getting
back
behind
that
and
flooding
out
those
areas
and
then
flooding
it
all
the
way
back
from
there
to
down
to
the
intersection
of
spring
and
MLK.
That's
the
whole.
B
M
A
My
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
until
we
actually
get
into
the
design,
set
the
elevations
and
things
and
do
some
topography
to
get
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
also
understand
what
the
elevations
are
of
the
the
sidewalks
I'm.
Sorry,
the
sea
walls
around
the
near
the
boat
ramp.
We're
really
not
going
to
be
able
to
discuss
this.
A
You
know
I,
don't
want
to
say
intelligently,
but
that's
an
accurate
word.
We
could
do
a
lot
of
arm
waving
and
stuff,
but
we
need
to
have
some
information,
so
I
think
that
the
approach
would
be
to
do
the
the
entire
design.
D
It's
elevation
above
mean
c,
okay,.
D
K
K
D
Where
is
it
at
today?
Where
are
the
sea
walls
set
at
about
three
okay.
A
D
D
There's
some
discussion
about
that
with
I,
don't
get
in
a
whole
thing
about,
but
but
Tampa
Bay
Regional
planning
council
is
looking
at
setting
a
five
foot
minimum
for
the
region
and
as
a
as
a
model
ordinance
or
was
it
just.
We
sat
through
a
webinar
on
that
today.
D
So
that's
part
of
one
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
in
this
arcadis
memo
that
I
come
back
to
you
all
about
is
whether
we
set
that
elevation
at
five
or
five
point.
Eight
Neil
arcades
is
saying
we
need
to
do
one
thing.
Five
is
okay.
You
all
deal
with
it
we'll
work
on
that.
So.
K
Yeah
I've
got
a
question
and
something
we
can
follow
up
on
so
Craig
Park
kind
of
floods
a
little
bit
currently
today
and
between
the
old
library
and
the
value.
K
D
Sure
yeah,
sorry
for
the
confusion
on
that,
but
I
tried
to
break
it
into
sections
so
that
I
could
analyze
it.
But
a
would
be
the
sea
wall
section
from
the
boat
ramp
around
to
the
sidewalk.
Where
that
starts
got
it
B
would
be
the
sidewalk
section
to
the
City
Dock,
the
platform.
Okay
and
then
C
and
D
are
the
two
two
segments
to
the
north.
Okay.
K
A
J
You
mayor:
does
the
water
really
come
up
right
by
the
boat
dock
over
the
top
of
the
over
the
sea
wall.
J
D
J
A
Let
me
just
add:
I
mean
I.
I
know
that
you're
your
turn
to
talk,
but
the
seawall
from
the
boat
ramp
around
behind
the
old
tourist
Club
is
higher
than
where
the
sidewalks
are.
Yes,
I
know,
that's
the
point,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
three
feet
for
the
sidewalk
and
then
five
feet
two
feet
up,
you
may
need
six
inches
of
foot
at
down
there
by
the
boat
ramp
or
something.
A
J
Wall
I
understand
it
so
go
ahead.
Also,
what
I'd
like
to
see
there
and
I
think
I
spoken
to
the
city
manager
about
it.
Whatever
we
do
there,
we
do
need
to
put
some
sort
of
a
bumper
for
people
to
leave
their
boats
there.
So
whenever
we
go
into
that
design,
I'd
like
to
do
that
as
well,
possibly
put
in
cleats
so
that
they
don't
have
to
stand
there
hold
their
boats,
but
when
it's
coming
around
the
sidewalk
you're
now
trying
to
represent
it
as
just
doing
repair
work.
A
D
M
D
J
J
Haven't
started
that
yet
because,
as
vice
mayor
said,
I
mean
every
single
person
has
remodeled
their
dock,
pretty
much
I
mean
not
elaborate.
Some
are
more
elaborate
than
others,
but
they're
all
done.
It
was
like
they
must
have
been
a
fire
sale
because
everybody
got
it
done
and
it's
just
bad
timing
to
not.
J
Let
them
know
that
you
know
that
something
is
going
to
get
done
because
it
just
makes
for
a
problem
down
at
the
end
where
Spring
Street
is
is
probably
the
worst,
because
that's
where
it's
at
its
lowest,
so
the
only
thing
I'm
going
to
recommend
is
possibly,
if
we're
going
to
build
that
up.
J
J
C
J
Okay,
but
listen
I'm
I'm
for
this
I
I
drive
by
it
breaks
my
heart
all
all
the
time
to
see
the
water
over
the
top
right.
You
know,
so
that's
it.
I
Bob
I'm
I'm
interested
in
seeing
the
design
for
a
b
c
and
d,
the
construction
for
Phase,
One,
A,
A
and
B,
and
if
we
can
get
this
project
started
during
this
three-year
span,
we're
on
a
good
track.
I
mean
it's.
You
know
that
that'd
be
probably
one
of
our
biggest
accomplishments,
so
whatever
we
got
to
do
to
see
it
get
done.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
let's
have
a
a
motion
as
commissioner
kulyas
just
repeated
and
and
then
a
second
and
then
we
can
vote
on
it.
A
D
B
C
A
A
Alrighty
I'm
gonna,
the
the
rest
of
the
arpa
stuff,
will
pick
it
up
at.
A
All
right.
The
next
item
is
the
charter
amendments
Ms,
Vincent,.
G
Oh
boy
again,
while
she's
walking
up,
we
want
to
bring
these
to
you
to
look
at
one
last
time
and
give
our
pin
before
we
come.
Obviously,
we've
got
some
time
restraints
because
of
the
referendum
question
we
got
plenty
of
time,
so
we
wanted
to
bring
this
by
you
one
more
time,
get
any
suggestions
or
changes
and
then
we'll
move
forward
with
bringing
the
ordinance
for
you
so
Renee.
We.
E
So
essentially,
you
have
two
ordinances
proposing
amendments
to
the
city.
Charter,
the
first
and
your
backup
is,
would
be
amending
the
zoning
powers
and
that
would
be
to
allow
or
to
direct
that
site
plans
and
conditional
uses
on
projects
for
our
Parcels.
Less
than
one
acre
could
be,
or
should
be,
shall
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
reviewed
and
approved.
Excuse
me
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
E
It
does
provide
for
the
ability
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
to
send
something
directly
to
the
board
at
their
discretion,
and
it
also
provides
for
an
appeal
process
for
any
grief
party
from
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
decision
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
So
that's
one.
E
The
second
ordinance
addresses
amendments
to
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
and
it
adds
a
requirement
that
the
board
conductor
or
the
city
conduct
a
public
hearing
at
the
beginning
of
each
budget
cycle
no
later
than
June
30th
to
obtain
public
input
on
budget
priorities,
and
then
the
second
edition
is
reads
as
to
implement
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city.
The
Strategic
plan
shall
be
utilized
for
budget
and
capital
project
planning
decisions
and
shall
be
updated.
Every
fiscal,
brief
fiscal
years,
beginning
October,
1st
2025.
A
Just
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
C
A
You,
let's
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor
alone,.
M
Okay,
so,
ultimately,
this
is
going
to
be
something
that
the
citizens
have
a
vote
on.
Yes,
I
hope
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
I
had
GIS
pull
up
a
visual
of
what
this
means
a
lot
of
grenade.
You
probably
can't
put
it
up
on
the
screen,
but
I
can't
sorry,
let's
say
it's:
a
significant
portion
of
Tarpon
Springs
is
going
to
fall
under
the
less
than
one
acre
thing.
M
So
that's
that's
something
that
I
don't
really
want
to
comment
on,
but
I
thought
you
needed
to
see
it
from
A
visual
representation,
because
when
I
saw
this
less
than
one
acre,
I
thought
okay.
So
what
does
that
mean?
I
mean
I,
don't
think
of
things
when
I
drive
by
and
well
that's
less
than
one
acre.
This
is
less
one
acre.
So
when
I
had
GIS
pull
up
this
map-
and
you
know
said-
you
know-
exclude
basically
residential
areas.
M
It's
looking
to
me
like
this
is
95
percent
of
our
town.
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
accurate,
Renee
could
probably
give
you
more
accurate
representation,
but
it's
just
something:
I
wanted
you
to
consider
I
mean
ultimately
the
the
citizens
are
going
to
have
to
say
on
this
right,
but
we're
the
ones
that
get
to
say.
M
If
it,
you
know,
goes
on
to
the
referendum,
and
that's
that's
basically,
my
point
I
didn't
want
to
come
out
in
favor,
yay
or
nay,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
knew
what
we
were
looking
at
and
that
you
know
a
large
portion
of
the
development
decisions
and
Redevelopment
decisions,
and
this
town
for
if
this
Charter
change
goes
through,
is
really
not
going
to
be
in
our
purvey
anymore
and
I'm,
not
sure,
if
how
you
all
feel
about
that
so
anyway,
that's
the
end
of
my
comments
for
this
particular
time.
I'll
Reserve.
K
Thank
you,
I'm,
not
in
support
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
I.
Think
they're
great
people
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
that
power
here
within
the
board.
Commissioners
who
have
been
elected
this
is
this
map
is
a
very
good
indicator.
Shows
you
a
significant
amount
of
the
core
of
our
city
within
downtown
off
downtown
Sponge
Docks
areas
that
could
be
sensitive.
K
It
Ebbs
and
flows
based
on
who's
willing
to
serve
in
the
community.
So
that's
something
I
think
the
Board
needs
to
take
into
consideration.
The
other
part
is
if
the
board
feels
so
moved,
which
I
do
not.
There
needs
to
be
a
stronger
appeal
process
that
really
anybody
can
appeal
it.
It
should
be
really
any
resident
within
the
city
of
Tarpon.
Springs
can
appeal
it
to
the
board
of
commission
who
they
duly
elected,
to
represent
them
to
basically
review
these
types
of
plans.
K
Although
I
really
appreciate
their
their
recommendations
and
their
hard
work
they
put
in
behind
it,
I
think
they're
all
respected
individuals,
I,
don't
think
they
should
have
their
own
independent
power
to
approve
or
deny,
and
then,
if
the
board
does
feel
that
that
they
should
that
there
needs
to
be
a
better
appeal
process
in
place
that
anybody
can
appeal
it
to
the
board
of
commissions
within
a
set
period
of
days
for
site
plans
and
conditional
uses
thanks.
A
Good
commissioner
Eisner,
yes
thank.
J
You
mayor
when
I
looked
at
this
zoning
Powers
every
grieved
party
would
appeal,
there's
just
no
incentive
to
not
appeal.
The
only
thing
reason
that
they
wouldn't
appeal
is:
if
they,
you
know,
got
the
approval,
then
it
wouldn't
hit
our
board.
So
I
I
mean
it
just
to
me.
It
makes
no
sense.
J
It's
the
classic
second
bite
of
the
Apple.
If
you
fail
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning,
you
come
here
and
you
get
another
bite
so
I'm
not
really
in
favor
of
giving
that
much
control.
If
possibly,
we
were
talking
about
smaller
projects,
something
where
it's
more
in
within
their
purview.
I
would
consider
it,
but
not
something
like
this.
This
is
a
little
bit
for
me
over
the.
J
I
See
I
see
the
amount
of
one
acre,
Properties
or
less,
but
how
many
properties
do
we
have
that's
one
acre
or
bigger
that
can
be
developed
in?
Would
the
board
only
have
the
ability
to
make
a
ruling
on
one
of
those
applications?
If
we're
only
limited
to
some
bigger
projects.
E
Excuse
me
would
have
to
do
some
more
mapping
on
that.
I
mean
the
thing
that's
with
Tarpon
is
that
you
know
most
of
the
city
is
planted
into.
You
know
these
historical
plats,
and
so
you
can
have
you
know:
5
000
square
foot
Lots.
You
know
12
15,
000
square
foot
Lots
how
many
get
aggravated
and
it
might
be
a
project
of
an
acre
or
more.
You
know,
I
think
you'll
see
where
you've
got
large.
You
know
what
looks
like
a
lot
of
vacant
property.
You
know
like
parts
of
the
Sponge,
Docks
and
stuff
they're.
E
The
reasons
they're
showing
up
on
this
map
is
because
they're
planted
lands
and
they're.
Not
they
look
so
they
they
can
look
large,
but
they
in
reality
they're,
probably
less
than
an
acre.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
map
is
a
little
bit
misleading
in
that
respect.
There's
a
lot
of
property
there
just
because
all
the
land
is
planted
down
to
you
know
there
were
like
a
residential
plats
back.
You.
E
So
and
some
some
may
have
been
aggregated
through
the
years
and
some
may
have
not
so
that
it's
a
little
bit
misleading
and
and
it's
it's
hard
I'll
be
honest.
It's
hard
to
come
up
with
a
bright
line
here
of
what
what
is
a
good.
Is
it
a
half,
an
acre?
Is
it
a
quarter
acre,
you
know
it's.
It's
tough!
It
really
is.
I
I
was
gonna
even
consider,
maybe
smaller,
like
Renee,
said
a
quarter
acre
or
half
acre
just
just
to
see
what
comes
out
of
it.
I
You
know
I'm
concerned
because
I
see
some
properties
where
it's
not
an
acre
of
property,
and
we
can
see
buildings
built
out
to
the
very
edge
of
it
and
you
know
maximize
full
potential,
and
so
that
could
be
a
concern
for
growth
in
the
future
being
too
fast
or
whatever,
but
there's
got
to
be
a
way
to
balance
this
out
in
a
way
we,
like
we've,
talked
about
before
the
board
of
adjustments
makes
rulings.
I
You
know
it
doesn't
come
before
us
or
there's
got
to
be
a
way
to
balance
this
out,
to
give
some
more
leeway
for
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
to
make
some
decisions
and
take
some
off
our
plate,
but
I
just
concerned
about
one
acre,
because
one
acre
is
a
big
piece
of
property
in
Tarpon
Springs.
A
I
was
going
to
say,
I
think
if
you
actually
looked
at
one
acre
you're
not
going
to
see
the
same
purple,
yellow
combination,
you'll
see
a
lot
smaller
because,
like
Ms
Vincent
is
saying
those
things
are
going
to
be
broken
up
into
smaller
Lots,
five,
seven
thousand
ten
thousand
square
foot
Lots
so
and
then
the
other
question
is
you
ask
how
many
actually
are
going
to
need
a
site
plan
approval?
A
Some
are
going
to
be
a
site
plan,
approval
through
the
building
department
and
the
and
the
planning
department
and
then
all
the
same
thing,
unconditional
use
unless
there's,
if
they're
building
something
by
right,
there's
no
conditional
use
involved.
So
there's
a
whole
lot
of
variables
in
all
of
this.
As
far
as
boiling
down
to
how
much
property
we're
actually
talking
about
I'm.
A
Talking
about
the
you
know
the
the
the
map
that
was
provided
in
that
and
then
also
you
know,
we've
got
the
historic
preservation
board
the
code
enforcement
board,
the
board
of
adjustments
they're,
all
independent.
They
make
their
decisions,
there's
an
appeal
process,
I
I!
Don't
that
sort
of
thing
doesn't
bother
me
as
far
as
giving
Independence
and
and
also
there's
a
distinct
difference
between
the
ordinance
that
we're
seeing
tonight
and
then
what
has
actually
approved
in
the
charter
and
in
the
charter
it
would.
A
You
could
have
a
charter
amendment
that
the
you
know
that
the
the
it
would
be
allowed
to
be
more
than
an
Advisory
Board,
as
determined
by
the
board
of
I'm
sorry
border
by
the
border
commissioner
City
Board
of
Commissioners
there's,
then
the
city
commission,
getting
back
to
your
concern,
commissioner
Carr
they
can
make
an
adjustment
in
the
future
if
some
things
aren't
working
out
or
whatever,
by
changing
the
ordinance
or
something
like
that.
So
there's
a
variety
of
ways
of
doing
it.
A
What
I'm
hearing
tonight
is
we're,
probably
not
ready
to
vote
on
this
thing
and
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
vote
on
it
and
send
the
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
A
G
B
A
A
A
Let
me
just
think
things
for
a
second.
We
we,
probably
we
probably
need
to
my
point-
is
what
I'm
hearing
just
what
I'm
hearing
discuss
that
would
work
for
some
Commissioners
one.
We
don't
know
what
that
is
tonight
number
two
is:
it
may
be
significantly
enough
to
where
the
ordinances
needs
to
be
not
re-advertised,
but
in
other
words,
there's
too
much
of
a
change
between
this
one.
To
take
it
to
this,
you
know
to
the
second
reading
would
be
different
than
what
we're
going
to
be
approving
tonight.
G
A
Going
to
be
well,
let
me
let
me
put
it.
Let
me
cut
to
the
chase.
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
going
something
smaller
than
one
acre,
because
one
acre
is
going
to
be
a
rare
animal
in
Tarpon
Springs.
So
I,
don't
know
what
that
number
is
going
to
be,
and
that's
going
to
be
something
for
the
planning
director
to
you
know
with
the
staff
to
come
up
with
I.
Think
that's
what
you're
saying
is
that
correct
that.
J
And
also
it
could
be
a
financial
amount
as
well.
Okay,.
A
Let's
stop
right
here
we're
approaching
the
11
o'clock
hour,
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
extend
the
meeting.
Please.
K
B
B
A
A
A
Okay,
so
for
this
particular
item,
I
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
I.
B
A
A
C
E
Of
that
really
is
you
know,
US
19
and
the
downtown
and
the
docks,
and
to
commissioner
and
lots
point
so
you
know
again,
I
think
it's
going
to
boil
down
to
some
sort
of
a
size
threshold.
You
know
the
thing
that's
interesting
with.
A
I'll
tell
you
what
probably
the
best
thing
is
for
me
to
ask
the
commission
to
get
with
you
or
through
the
city
through
the
city
manager,
get
with
Ms
Vincent
to
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
what
you're
comfortable
with
and
then
that'll
provide
some
guidance
from
his
Vincent
to
work
with.
Is
that
is
that
acceptable.
J
Jewels
have
to
be
considering
the
appeal
process
too,
because
anybody
who
you
reject
is
going
to
definitely
appeal
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
what
it
would
yeah.
A
But
but
I
mean
I
understand
that,
but
that's
something
to
think
through.
On
the
other
hand,
the
which
the
the
other
part
of
this
is
the
the
pnz
board
may
be
uncomfortable
with
approving
something
and
they'll
they'll
defer
it
to
the
commission
anyway.
A
E
E
E
E
G
E
Then,
on
the
the
second
ordinance
or
the
changes
to
your
duties
and
responsibilities-
and
this
is
at
your
direction
to
add
a
requirement
for
public
hearing
at
the
beginning
of
the
budget
process.
So
we
specified
that
and
no
later
than
June
30th
to
obtain
public
input
on
the
budget
priorities
and
then,
similarly
to
what
we
have
for
the
comprehensive
plan
and
some
of
our
other
Master
plans
to
implement
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city
period.
And
then
the
Strategic
plan
shall
be
utilized
for
budgeting
and
capital
project
planning
decisions
and
shall
be
updated.
M
I
have
no
problem
with
this
ordinance
as
written.
Thank
you.
K
E
K
E
E
C
I
I
It
did
mention
a
portion
of
where
annual
reviews
could
and
should
be
done
in
a
public
setting
once
a
year
to
discuss
it
board
with
the
four
individuals
underneath
and
for
annual
reviews
and
I
would
consider
that
asking
this
board
to
consider
putting
in
the
annual
reviews
that
have
a
special
meeting,
or
you
know
once
a
year
to
go
over
the
four
individuals
in
a
public
setting
to
discuss
it.
All.
K
A
N
I
I
would
like
to
see
something
like
that.
I
just
think
you
know,
residents
aren't
really
going
to
go
and
pull
public
records
on
you
know,
reviews
and
I
just
think
it
helps
create
a
little
bit
more
transparency
for
the
residents
and
what
the
commission's
doing
and
evaluating
certain
individuals
moving
forward.
A
A
How
do
you
feel
about
it
vice
mayor,
lawn.
M
I
don't
know
I
we're
talking
about
annual
reviews
being
public.
M
K
M
A
My
he
go
ahead
come
here,
commissioner.
Carr.
I
You
should
do
it
one-on-one,
but
you
know
the
Florida
League
of
cities
really
stresses
that
the
importance
of
having
a
your
annual
reviews
done
in
a
public
setting
at
some
point
as
well.
So
so.
K
There's
two
there's
a
couple
different
ways:
you
could
go
about
it,
you
could
do
a
resolution
proposed
resolution,
which
is
a
one-time
reading
or
an
ordinance
is
a
two-time
reading
or
you're
saying
adopt
it
into
the
charter,
which
is
now
something
that's
very
difficult
to
get
out
of
the
charter.
So
I
would
say,
I
mean
the
easier
route
would
go,
is
saying
putting
in
a
resolution
and
seeing
what
the
board
feels
about
it
might
be.
The
quickest
and
easiest
okay.
A
This
board
would
think
all
right.
Okay,
commissioner
Carr
commissioner
Eisner.
J
I,
personally,
don't
see
the
need
for
it.
You
know
this.
Most
reviews
have
done
one-on-one
with
the
employer
and
the
employee
they're
not
really
done
where
you
broadcast
it
out.
I
think
it's
a
a
private
issue
between
an
employee,
employer
I
think
that
the
public
does
have
access
to
it.
So
it's
not
anything
that
we're
keeping
secret
but
I.
Just
don't
see
the
need
to
publicize
that
if
I
was
a
resident
sitting
here,
I
I
don't
know.
J
If
I'd
want
to
hear
what
you
know
and
I'm
not
knocking
the
decision,
it's
just
something
I
I,
don't
really
care
to
do
it's
to
me.
It's
a
waste
of
time.
So,
okay.
A
I
A
What
I,
what
I,
what
I
think
it
my
thoughts
are:
we're
going
to
have
a
charter
revision
commission
coming
up
in
2014.,
okay
and
each
commissioner
goes
in
front
of
them
and
tells
them
what
they
would
like
to
see
considered
for
a
change.
The
charter
revision
Commission
deliberates
on
that,
and
then
they
pose
a
quite.
They
decide
whether
they
that
question
should
come
forward.
They
present
the
commission
a
number
of
questions
that
they
think
should
be
considered
by
the
residents
and
the
commission.
A
The
sitting
commission
can
also
add
its
own
questions
as
well
if
they
feel
that
there's
something
that
needs.
So
maybe
that's
the
way.
This
item
should
be
handled
for
right
now
and
then
we're
not
going
to
have
to
worry
about
a
review
until
next
October,
it's
fair
enough,
so
we've
got
some
time
to
kind
of
deal
with
that
as
far
as
a
resolution
or
an
ordinance,
okay,
okay,
all
right
so
Ms,
Vincent
I,
think
the
direction
you
got
is
this
one's
okay,
the
second
one's?
Okay,
those.
E
A
You,
the
manatee
protection,
ordinance,
review
and
Direction.
That's
something
that
I
put
on
here.
We
had
manatees
and
that
Spring
by
you
right
now
or
well.
Current
ordinance
requires
that
the
boats
be
kept
out
after
November
15th
and
the
one
Manatee
is
actually
injured.
Two
more
showed
up
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
current
status
of
the
three
are
right
now,
but
they're
certainly
coming
into
the
Bayou
a
lot
earlier
than
they
used
to
so
I
was
thinking,
maybe
it's
time
to
take
another.
A
Look
at
that,
since
this
ordinance
about
20
years
old
and
get
an
idea
from
the
some
of
the
experts
out,
there
is
of
whether
we
should
make
some
adjustments
just
seeing
them
coming
into
the
to
buy.
You
suggests
that
we
should
but
I
think
the
city
manager
his
recollection
is
it's
not
just
the
simple
changing
the
date
we're
actually
going
to
have
to
go
through
some
of
the
regular
agencies
to
get
their
permission.
Chief
Young's
nodding
has
said
so
you've
been
through
this
before.
Yes,.
C
A
All
right
so
and
tonight
is
just
to
authorize
the
staff
to
move
ahead
with
this
staff,
and
that
said
right
and
then
they
can
take
a
look
at
the
entire
ordinance
and
come
back
with
some
recommendations.
B
Long
wait
tonight
need
a
produce:
901
Bayshore,
Drive
I'm
in
Craig
Park,
every
day,
walking,
sometimes
twice
a
day,
because
I
have
to
walk
a
lot,
and
last
year
I
came
I've
called
the
police,
not
only
the
boats,
but
the
water
Scooters
or
whatever
you
call
the
water
scooters.
I
have
watched
even
now
when
the
dolphins
that
are
in
there,
people
on
those
scooters
go
after
them,
and
it's
wrong
and
I've
called
the
police.
B
You
know
to
have
them
come
down
there,
but
we
don't
have
any
water
police
to
be
able
to
catch
them.
So
that's
another
thing:
you
have
to
look
at
it's
not
just
the
boats,
the
jet
skis
or
whatever
you
call
those
that
they
ride
it's
after
the
dolphins,
in
the
water
and
and
when
the
manatees
are
there
and
this
past
weekend,
those
jet
skis
are
out
there
and
they
see
the
fish
going
around
the
wall,
they're
trying
to
eat
and
they
come,
and
they
do
swings
around
Splash
them
and
they
go
after
them.
B
So
we
really
need
to
do
something
to
be
able
to
protect
the
water
mammals
that
come
into
the
Bayou,
because
that's
where
they
come
and
eat,
they
come
for
protection
and
they
come
to
stay
safe
and
stay
warm.
So
I,
don't
know
how
like
he,
the
mayor
said
you
can
put
a
date
on
it,
but
it's
both
that
we
have
to
take
care
of
because
I've
seen
them
hit
the
the
porpoises
before
as
they
go
swimming
across
the
Bayou.
B
And
it's
sad
it's
sad
to
see
that
and
last
Saturday
two
young
boys
had
a
BB
gun
down
there
and
they
were
shooting
at
the
squirrels
and
the
birds
and
I
went
up
where
I
parked
my
car
and
and
some
men
went
down
there
and
told
them
to
get
out.
B
A
Okay,
commissioner
comments
vice
mayor
long.
K
F
514
Ashland
Avenue
and
also
president
of
friends
of
the
Anclote
River,
we're
talking
about
protecting
the
manatees
in
Spring
by
you.
How
do
they
get
there?
They
come
up
the
Anclote
River,
so
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do
with
regards
to
the
exclusion
Zone.
But
it's
about
time.
We
start
doing
something
more
to
protect
the
waterways
during
this
time
when
they're
sensitive
to
this
there's
also
dolphins
and
other
animals
that
are
coming
through
these
waterways
at
this
time
of
year.
Also
we're
having
migratory
Birds
coming
through
here.
F
A
No,
that's
okay,
commission
may
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
extend
our
meeting
motion.
A
I
B
F
Okay,
so
as
far
as
what
we
can
control,
as
you
mentioned
in
your
memo,
you
may
need
to
get
property
permission
along
that
Western
area
along
reading,
Canal
Street
I
can
speak
for
the
board
of
the
Villa
plumosa
Condominium
Association.
F
We
recently
learned
that
we
have
a
section
of
land
there
at
that
location
and
I
know.
At
this
point.
Our
board
is
very
conservation
orientated,
so
we
would
have
no
problem
with
you
extending
the
time
frame
a
couple
weeks
on
either
end
I
would
recommend
getting,
as
you
mentioned,
with
the
Clearwater
Marine
Aquarium,
to
see
if
they've
noticed
any
patterns
and
time
changes
and
things
of
that
nature.
F
So
you
don't
just
randomly
select
a
date,
but
it's
more
conducive
on
scientific
background
to
be
able
to
reasonably
put
this
forward
and
also
we
do
need
to
put
more
or
no
wake
signs
or
idle
speed
signs
in
the
Anclote
River.
During
this
time,
people
do
not
realize
that
that's
part
of
it.
If
you
look
at
your
backup
information
that
describes,
let
me
see
here.
F
Describes
Spring
by
which
can
buy
Minetta
by
In
This
by
a
distributory
adjacent
to
grenade
bridge
in
all
public
Waters,
Creeks,
bayous,
canals
and
channels
adjacent
to
Moorings,
Cove,
Drive
and
connected
to
whitcombia
and
all
other
such
public
Waters
Creeks
by
these
canals
and
channels
signed
or
designated
by
directions
to
City
Commissioner
city
manager
as
Manatee
Idols,
speed
or
similar
terms.
F
That's
number
c
in
the
ordinance,
so
I
think
we
need
to
educate
the
public
more
with
regards
to
the
speed
zones,
and
that
would
be
my
comment,
but
we
do
need
to
look
at
just
beyond
Spring
Bayou
as
far
as
how
we
protect
our
native
Wildlife.
Thank
you
for
the
extra
time.
God
bless
you
thank.
M
I,
don't
know
how
we
put
it
into
effect,
a
stronger
or
longer
period
for
Manatee
protection
within
Spring,
Bayou
itself.
I
think
we
should
investigate
that
for
sure
we
had
a
cold
snap
this
year
it
was
pretty
cold
for
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
This
this
is
when
they
start
moving
up
to
my
knowledge,
most
of
the
river
and
most
of
the
bayous
east
of
of
Myers
Cove
is,
is
a
no
wake
zone,
I
mean,
with
the
exception,
being
Kramer
Bayou.
M
M
Speed
signs,
there's
one
at
the
there's
one
at
the
West
End
of
the
River
entrance,
if
you're,
if
you're
coming,
if
you're
coming
south
up
the
river,
there's
one
at
the
the
the
the
channel
marker
just
before
the
entrance
to
the
river
itself
and
that's
it
and
we
get
people
from
the
boat,
rental
places
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
They
have
no
idea.
They
just
take
a
left
turn
at
Rusty
Bellies
and
they're
they're
fine
they're
like
trying
to
plane
all
the
way
through
there,
which
is,
which
is
absolutely
crazy.
M
Any
time
of
the
year
never
mind
this
time
of
the
year
when
we
have
manatees
and
and
so
forth,
in
the
water
itself.
So
I
think
we
need
to
do
both.
We
need
to,
for
certain
extent,
the
period
of
time
that
we're
watching
for
manatees
within
the
within
Spring
Bayou.
Although
it's
important
to
also
note
that
that
time
period
doesn't
apply
to
people
with
riparian
water
rights
and
votes
in
that
within
that
Bayou
as
well,
and
that
we're
calling
by
you
there
I
think
on
on
one
portion
of
it
should
be
no
wake
as
well.
M
But
it's
not
for
some
strange
line
reason.
The
whole
area
needs
to
be
looked
at
from
from
my
perspective,
I
just
don't
think
with
the
amount
of
boats
that
we
get
now
that
having
any
of
our
waterways
other
than
an
idle
speed
zone
is
really
is
really
doing
anything.
A
favor
I
mean
granted
Kramer,
Bay
who's
kind
of
open
and
stuff.
Like
that
people
do
water
skiing.
M
C
K
J
So
let
me
clarify
a
couple
of
things
here.
First
of
all,
I
don't
care
whether
you're
using
a
boat,
a
jet
ski
you're,
not
catching
a
dolphin
dolphins
are
fast
as
could
be.
So
that's
not
going
to
happen,
but
I
do
agree.
The
manatees
definitely
are
very
slow
moving,
but
no
matter
what
you
do
on
the
inside
and
no
matter
what
you
change.
So
you
don't
know
where
they
were
hit.
J
A
lot
of
these
manatees
are
being
hit
out
on
the
gulf,
because
that's
where
they're
coming
from
so
no
matter
what
we
do
on
the
inside
I
mean
it's
it's
corrective,
but
you
also
have
to
have
the
people
follow
the
rules
and
regulations
they're,
not
following
the
rules
and
regulations
now,
so
we
could
go
through
all
of
this
process
as
long
as
it's
you
know
not
an
in-depth
thing
to
change.
I'd
love
to
see
a
change
I,
don't
think
that
people
should
be
riding
through
their.
J
You
know,
with
with
propelled
votes,
you
know
an
impeller
boat
you're
not
going
to
do
any
damage
to
the
manatee
and
you're.
Definitely
not
catching
a
dolphin,
but
you
know,
like
I
said
they
they're
coming
in
through
the
gulf,
and
people
are
flying
out
there.
J
You
know,
as
the
vice
mayor
said,
up
through
the
ankle
they're
just
speeding.
You
know
it
once
you
get
to
that
open
speed
limit
from
there
all
the
way
to
Miss
Vicki's,
it's
a
free-for-all
and
many
times
I'm
coming
through
there
and
they're.
Just
people
are
flying
right
through
the
five
where
that
loss
of
life,
the
Belarus
loss
of
life,
so
I
mean
you
know,
signs,
don't
stop
people
and
it's
going
to
be
hard
as
heck
to
get
a
sign
there,
let
alone.
J
Unless
you
have
a
police
person,
you
know
giving
out
tickets,
it's
you
know,
so
we
could
go
through
all
of
this
process
and
still
not
get
anywhere,
but
it's
almost
impossible
to
stop
these
kids
from
jumping
on
these
jet
skis
and
just
going
nuts.
That's
just
what
kids
do
so.
A
Commissioner,
Chris
definitely.
I
For
more
idle
wake
signs,
I
agree
to
it
to
look
and
explore
and
extending
the
the
date
periods.
I
do
still
want
to
be
able
to
see
people
wakeboarding
and
what
come
by
you
it's
sort
of
like
one
of
the
safer
areas
for
for
individuals
to
go
skiing,
or
you
know,
wakeboarding
in
that
area.
There's
really
not
too
many
other
spots,
for
you
know,
sea,
Sports
and
and
stuff,
and
it's
other
than
that.
You'd
have
to
probably
go
along
the
river
and
I.
I
A
Oh
yeah,
a
couple
of
things:
one
on
the
ordinance
I've
got
it
as
ordinance
5-28,
and
it
should
be
a
section
of
5-28
of
our
ordinances,
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I.
Do
that
in
another
one.
So
I
just
want
to
mention
that,
so
the
city
clerk
will
correct
that.
Also
we
did
receive
an
email
from
Mr
Austin
Woods,
who
operates
a
kayak
rental.
A
He
he
thinks
that
kayaks
and
paddle
boats
paddle
boards
ought
to
be
eliminated
or
restricted
from
the
Bayou
as
well.
I'm
talking
about
Spring
Bayou,
just
to
give
the
manatees
a
little
more
peace
of
mind
while
they're
in
there.
The
only
thing
I'm
going
to
be
looking
for
is
just
a
motion
and
a
second
to
authorize
the
staff
to
look
at
updating
the
ordinance
and,
let's
see
what
they
come
back
with.
So.
B
B
A
A
Yes,
the
other
item
is.
A
A
K
A
Right
so
basically
it's
we
don't
recover
all
of
our
costs
from
FEMA
and
also
when
there
isn't
a
declaration
when
the
storm
is
coming
and
eventually
a
declaration
isn't
declared,
we
don't
get
anything
back
and
and
that's
we're
somewhat
proactive
in
making
preparations
for
storms.
So
it's
just
a
thought
that
I
had
I
there's
a
couple
of
examples
that
I
gave
him
back.
A
One
was
a
shelter
feed
at
Pasco,
County's
charging
and
then
a
form
that
you
would
typically
use
for
filling
out,
for
you
know
for
an
application
so
where
you
would
have
the
fee
I,
don't
know
what
the
fee
would
be,
but
there
would
have
to
be
some
kind
of
a
impact
fee
study
that
would
be
done
associated
with
it
to
determine
what
that
amount
would
be
again,
I'm
just
floating
this
in
the
wake
of
Hurricane
Ian,
and
this
would
apply
to
buildings
and
substantial
improvements
of
buildings
in
flood
Plains
and
Coastal
High
Hazard
areas.
A
Mr
jumper?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments
on
this
item?.
A
K
I
got
to
be
honest
with
you:
I,
don't
understand
what
you're
asking
here.
So
if,
if
a
heavy
hurricane
comes
through
and
wipes
out
buildings,
if
a
building's
being
rebuilt,
are
you
looking
for
impact
fee
to
be
an
additional
impact
fee
for
new
construction?
It.
A
Would
be
very
similar
to
the
fire
protection
surcharge
for
buildings
that
are
higher,
for
example,.
H
D
A
K
A
A
You
know
we
basically
spend
money
in
preparing
for
floods
and
it's
for
people
in
in
evacuations
and
things
of
that
nature
and
and
it's
just
to
authorize
the
staff
I'm
not.
K
K
A
A
Yeah
and
the
one
thing
I
talked
about
was
for,
for
example,
these
flood
grants
that
we're
getting
from
flood
mitigation.
That's.
K
A
That
would
the
arcadis
thing
where
we're
going
to
have
to
have.
K
Them
you
know,
I'm
not
interested
in
doing
any
initial
fees,
so
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
tonight.
A
I
I
get
it,
but
no
no
I
understand.
Okay,
commission
Eisner.
J
I
still
would
like
to
know
what
what,
if
we
collect
the
impact
fees?
What
would
we
utilize
them
for.
A
For
one
to
to
put
money
back
in
the
Coffer
that
is
spent
that
we
can't
recover
from
FEMA,
because
they
just
won't
recover
that
part
of
it
or
we
would
use
it
for
part
of
a
match
that
would
be
required
for
a
grant
for
flood
mitigation
very
similar
to
what
we're
doing
wood
can
buy.
You.
So.
J
If
we
were
to
FEMA
pays
about
80
85
of
the
loss,
would
we
be
picking
up
the
other
15
percent?
No.
A
Spend
money
to
prepare
for
floods
every
time,
there's
a
storm,
that's
approaching!
We
actually
send
people
out
to
do
a
variety
of
things.
The
sand,
the
sandbags
are
not
free
right,
for
example,
and
so
we
don't
get
reimbursed
100
percent.
For
all
of
that,
we
we
get
I,
think
it's
five
percent
and
12
12
and
a
half
percent.
We
don't
get
reimbursed,
and
so
it
would
be
to
put
that
back
in
and
then
on
the
other
hand,
we
could
also
use
it
for
matching
the
grants
for
flood
mitigation
similar
to
Whitcomb
by.
J
See
I
would
be
more
inclined
to
utilize
that
to
an
area
that
we
could
eventually
save
money
to
build
to
build
up.
J
You
know
to
a
place
to
secure
to
secure
people
in
the
event
of
a
flood.
I,
don't
know
if
the
sandbags
are
so
costly,
I,
don't
know
any
of
that
yeah.
It's
that's
just
one
item
I.
A
Know
it's
it,
it's
just
something
that
is
coming
out
of
hurricane
Ian
right
and
we
can
wait.
There's
no
believing
there's
no
urgency
to
this
and
I
just
felt
it
was
important
to
bring
it
forward
and
if
the
commission
is
not
interested
it,
it's
you.
J
J
M
J
M
C
I
think
what
you,
what
I
think
the
mayor
is
trying
to
say
the
12
and
a
half
percent
is
sometimes
we
have
hurricanes
that
come
in
they're
not
declared,
so
the
city
has
activated
the
EOC.
We've
had
all
these
expenses,
but
then
it's
not
declared
as
a
storm
and
the
city's
out
the
money
for
that
I
think.
That's
part
what
the
mayor
is
saying
and
if
they
do
get
declared
you
know
FEMA.
The
federal
portion
will
pay
75
percent
as
their
standard
one
so
that
the
state
will
pick
up
12
and
a
half.
C
And
then
the
city
has
a
pick
up.
The
remaining
12
and
a
half
percent
sandbags,
sometimes
they're
five,
six
thousand
dollars
when
they're
trying
to
restock
those
things.
M
C
M
Is
just
but
this
is
just
not
sandbags,
we're
talking
about
money
that
we
have
to
spend
to
man,
the
EOC
and
prep,
the
EOC
correct,
do
whatever
safety
mechanisms
that
that
fire
and
police
have
to
do
to
to
lock
the
city
down
yeah
and
if
we
don't
get
reimbursed
for
that,
this
is
12
and
a
half
percent.
If
you,
if,
whether,
if
it's
a
named
storm,
we
still
lose
12
and
a
half
percent,
if
it's
an
unnamed
storm,
we
don't
get
reimbursed
at
all.
Nothing.
C
A
C
What
we're
on
is
saying
is
that's
an
estimate
that
we
come
up
with
that
we
have
to
submit
to
the
county,
so
this
County
can
get
their
projections
to
meet
a
criteria.
So
it's
this
storm
here
is
around
300,
000
I
think
Irma
was
a
lot
more
than
that,
so
we're
up
in
the
Millions,
then
so
just
on
salary.
So.
A
So
that's
just
for
one
storm
and
it
was
declared
emergency
and
if
it
wasn't
declared,
then
we
would
be
eating
up
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
that's
just
the
thought
behind
this,
and
this
would
be
I
mean
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
300
000
it
could
be.
We
do
things
all
the
time
breaking
into
down
between.
There
are
certain
things
we
do
that
apply
to
everybody,
because
it's
more
of
a
wind
sort
of
effect,
I'm.
J
Listen
if
you
want
I'm,
not
against
you
know
totally
against
making
a
minuscule
impact
fee.
That
goes
towards
that.
If
that's
what
you
want
to
do,
that's
like
a
tax.
You.
A
Know
well,
no
I
mean
it's
just
trying
to
get
an
idea
from
you.
As
far
as
we
can.
We
can
just
defer
this
and
you
can
think
about
a
little
more
talk
to
some
residents
and
and
we
don't
need
to
make
a
decision
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
be
wasting
the
staff's
time
and
then
come
back
and
it's
something
that
the
commission
doesn't
want
to
do.
If
it's
just
an
idea
that
was
worth
doing
and
I
haven't
now,
I
asked
you
for
your
comments.
Do
you
have
anything
else.
I
I
don't
mind
exploring
it,
but
I
do
have
concerns
with
you
know,
just
single
family
residents
and
what
those
fees
can
be.
Does
it
apply
to
additions
on
houses
as
well
or
you
know,
but.
A
It's
like
it's
like
a
one-time
fee:
either
you
know
if
you,
you
have
a
a
home
that
is
pre-firm
and
you
want
to
do
a
substantial
Improvement.
It
would
apply
to
something
like
that
or
if
it's
a
vacant
lot
or
if
you
you
know,
if
it's
a
vacant
lot
you
would,
you
would
apply
the
fee
to
that.
It
would
be.
I
A
one-time
fee,
yeah
I,
don't
mind,
exploring
it
just
to
see
where,
where
it
is,
but
definitely
I,
you
know
see
the
benefit
to
any
type
of
development
in
coastal
High
Hazard.
You
know
especially
commercial
and
whatnot,
so
we.
I
A
I'm
bringing
two
years
of
former
engineer
because
I
don't
understand
why
you
keep
building
things
and
close
to
high
Hazard
areas
they
get
whacked
and
then
we
just
go
right
back
and
build
them
again
expect
something
different
is
going
to
happen
again
in
the
next
time.
So
it's
pretty
much
what
my
memorandum
stated.
This
storm
is
going
to
cost
us
Big
Time
hurricane,
the
end
for
years
and
years
and
years
so
go.
M
M
You
know
a
reasonable
impact
fee
and
see
what
kind
of
impact
that
makes
on
our
budget
I
mean
if
we're
there's,
not
a
lot
of
development
property
left
in
in
Tarpon
Springs.
So
the
amount
of
people
that
are
building
on
the
shoreline,
for
example,
or
are
doing
what's
considered
significant
Improvement,
which
is
over
50
percent
or
under
BFE,
is,
is.
A
A
So
so
why
don't
we
just
leave
it
because
the
hour
is
getting
late,
it's
almost
to
them!
45.!
Let's
just
explore
this
a
little
further
by
you
having
some
conversations
if
you'd,
like
with
Mr,
Herring
and
and
chief
Young
and
the
city
manager,
and
then
we'll
just
move
on,
is
that
okay,
all
right.
G
A
Is
very
important,
which
is
there
shouldn't
be
a
whole
lot
to
this
one?
This
is
authorized.
Exten.
Excuse
me,
this
is
item
two
of
addendum
one
authorized
execution
of
contract
for
purchase
of
vacant
land
on
South,
Florida,
Avenue
and
preparation
of
referendum
documents.
This
is
for
the
South
Florida
Avenue
property
property.
So
let
me
go
to
public
comments
and
see
if
there's
any
public
comments
out
there,
Mr
jumper
there
any
public
comments
or
anybody
waiting.
A
A
Ment
motion
to
approve
okay,
let
me
hang
on
on
the
second
commissioner
Eisner.
You
can
make
a
comment
in
second
emotion.
If
you
want.
J
A
J
A
The
the
last
item
is
the
consideration
of
Staff
authorization
to
amend
section
2-92.1
fire
protection
impact
fee
surcharge.
This
was
brought
in
about
the
time
when
the
tarpon
Towers
was
was
created.
We
bought
a
ladder
truck
and
the
city
Incorporated
a
surcharge
for
any
buildings
that
are
tall
or
wider
and
deeper
I
think
by
100
feet
and
it
hasn't
been
updated
for
I
think
30
years,
whatever
I
have
in
my
memorandum,
it's
been
many
many
years
and
I
think
it's
time
we
update
that,
especially
given
the
Hotel.
A
This
is
for
any
buildings
greater
than
35
feet:
hotels
at
the
Sponge
Docks
of
five-story
buildings
for
I
think
it's
five
story:
franklude
Harbor,
yeah
five-story
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be
so
that's
all
that
there
is
is
just
authorized
the
staff
to
to
amend
that
come
up
with
a
new
amount,
although
because
of
State
statutes
changed
in
2021,
it's
not
going
to
be
more
than
20
12
and
a
half
percent
per
year
of
what
is
there
right
now?
A
So
let
me
go
to
commissioner
comments
or
did
I
ask
for
No
Idea
Public
comments.
Any
public
comments
on
this.
A
Mr
jumper:
are
there
any
comments?
We.
M
M
J
K
C
I
I
agree
and
thank
you
for
exploring
researching
this.
A
A
A
There
Miss
Jackson
no.
A
A
No
comments
we
have
just
want
to
remind
the
board,
we
have
ohide
on
Friday
and
that
church
begins
at
10
and
then
there's
a
a
placing
of
a
wreath
at
noon
at
Craig
Park
at
the
war
memorial.
So
that's
the
big
one
for
this
week
coming
up
bulky
day,
all
right.