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A
A
This
evening's
invocation
was
going
to
be
given
by
Reverend
Christina
griss.
However,
she
was
running
short
and
had
to
vote
and
she
left
me
with
her
invocation
that
I
want
to
read
this
evening
and
if
we
can
all
stand
and
I'll
read
the
invocation
and
in
turn
we'll
do
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
then
get
on
with
the
agenda.
A
Holy
God
today,
I
want
to
pray
for
the
men
and
women
who
serve
this
community,
bless
them
with
your
protection
from
harm.
Your
wisdom
for
making
decisions
and
your
strength
to
carry
them
out,
bless
them
with
courage.
When
too
many
obstacles
come
their
way,
bless
them
with
peace,
to
navigate
their
journey
of
service
through
highs
and
lows.
I
pray
for
your
presence
and
your
spirit
tonight
for
this
meeting
for
the
discussions
and
the
decisions
in
your
loving
name.
We
pray,
amen.
A
A
Thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
this
evening.
I've
got
a
couple
of
announcements.
One
is
items
19
and
20.
have
been
deferred.
One
is
related
to
an
application
for
Keystone
Village
Residential
preliminary
Planning
Development
and
the
second
one
has
to
do
with
the
Land
Development
code,
smart
code
and
comprehensive
plan
text
amendments.
A
C
Thank
you,
mayor
David,
Ballard,
Gettys,
Jr
I
live
at
802,
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor.
A
few
years
ago,
the
Pinellas
County
Commission
and
the
Palm
Harbor
Town
Council
met
at
the
Palm
Harbor
High
School,
to
propose
developing
a
roundabout
on
Alternate
19
in
Palm
Harbor.
The
residents
overwhelmingly
rejected
the
roundabout
proposal.
Only
a
few
of
the
people
in
attendance
of
the
meeting
were
in
favor
of
the
roundabout
upwards
of
90
percent
of
the
people
in
attendance
of
the
meeting
expressly
rejected
the
concept
of
a
roundabout.
C
A
few
weeks
after
our
town
hall,
meeting
Miss
Rebecca
Vincent,
who
was
working
for
the
county
at
the
time,
stood
before
the
County
Commission
and
stated
that
a
majority
of
the
public
interest
was
in
favor
of
the
roundabout.
Her
statements
regarding
the
sentiments
of
the
residents
rang
on
true
to
my
perspective,
I
balked
at
Miss
Rebecca
Vincent,
and
continued
to
balk
at
her
untruthful
representation
as
a
servant
of
the
people.
She
is
in
misrepresentation
of
the
residents.
The
residents
did
not
support
the
roundabout
proposal.
C
I
asked
Miss
Rebecca
Vincent
exactly
what
portion
of
the
public
does
she
promote
by
making
her
comments
to
the
County
Commission
more
important
importantly,
what
portion
of
the
public
is
being
discluded
by
her
comments
to
the
County
Commissioners?
Are
the
residents
being
excluded
in
making
decisions
as
to
how
our
money
is
being
appropriated?
Florida
statute,
373.019,
section
15,
defines
artificial
corporations
as
being
that
of
a
personhood
status.
C
I
ask
Miss
Rebecca
Vincent,
so
is
she
serving
the
interest
of
that
which
is
artificial
in
a
corporate
personification,
as
defined
in
Florida's
statute,
using
our
money
inappropriately
to
support
that
which
is
artificial
in
such
roundabout
development?
I
believe
the
nature
of
that
roundabout
development
does
not
support
the
interests
of
the
residents
as
much
as
it
does.
A
artificial
corporate
undertaking
and
Miss
Rebecca
Vincent
in
my
opinion,
has
abused
her
position.
Thank
you.
D
What
it
also
reminded
me
is
that,
even
though
there
were
a
lot
of
people
there,
A
lot
of
people
don't
participate,
but
being
that
Veterans
Day
is
coming
on
Friday
and
just
want
to
remind
people
that
not
only
is
it
a
privilege
but
a
duty
to
participate,
because
so
many
of
our
fathers
and
grandfathers
uncles
aunts
have
perished
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
stand
here
and
speak
to
you
freely
and
to
vote
for
you
or
others.
D
D
D
D
Let's
not
become
weary
in
doing
good,
for
at
the
proper
time
we
will
reap
a
harvest
if
we
do
not
give
up.
Therefore,
as
we
have
opportunity,
let
us
do
good
to
all
people,
especially
to
those
who
belong
to
the
family
of
believers,
and
so,
as
this
day
passes,
maybe
we
have
hope
and
peace
for
our
future
today
tomorrow
and
going
forward.
Thank
you.
E
F
Record
Chris
roboski
1602,
Gulf,
Beach,
Boulevard,
Tarpon,
Springs
34689,
so
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
that
Mr
Clay
coulson's
case
proceeds.
You
should
be
aware
of
it
by
now
filed
something
on
Friday,
so
this
thing's
going
to
the
Supreme
Court
has
clay,
continues
to
fight
to
defend
the
74
Acres
on
the
antelope
River,
currently
owned
by
Walmart.
That
will
one
day
be
made
a
park.
He
also
defends
our
First
Amendment
right
and
gather
news.
F
Oddly
enough,
the
newspaper
printed
a
story
about
our
former
legal
counsel
for
the
city.
Trask
has
filed
a
lawsuit
against
a
resident
of
Tarpon
Springs
I,
assume
it's
a
resident
of
Target
Springs,
something
on
Facebook,
trying
to
chill
the
free
speech
of
those
who
would
speak
truth
to
power.
The
people
that
are
public.
F
B
The
email
is
from
Deborah
Thompson
to
the
city
commission,
at
Tarpon,
Springs
I
wanted
to
address
the
street
project
on
Groves
Avenue
that
has
been
going
on
for
over
a
year.
Our
street
has
been
a
disaster
for
over
a
year
and
we
are
looking
for
answers.
I
have
written
to
the
project
manager
with
my
concerns
and
have
not
received
a
response.
Our
cars
were
damaged
during
the
early
stages
of
the
construction
and
I
addressed
this
with
the
project
manager
and
he
never
responded.
B
My
valence
was
ripped
off
the
front
of
my
car
when
I
backed
out
of
my
driveway
and
ran
into
a
deep
hole
in
the
road
we
both
backed
into
things
sticking
out
of
the
road
and
put
holes
in
our
rear,
bumpers.
I,
sent
pictures
in
question
how
to
file
a
claim
and
I
have
not
received
a
response.
We
want
to
be
compensated
for
the
conditions
that
we
must
endure
during
the
ongoing
non-construction.
We
have
a
huge,
never-ending
dust
problem
in
our
house
and
we
have.
B
We
always
seem
to
have
a
sinus
problem
in
cold
and
cough
a
lot.
The
cars
drive
extremely
fast
down
our
road
and
slide
on
the
gravel
to
come
to
a
stop
at
the
stop
sign.
We
have
asked
to
have
the
road
closure
signs
put
back
into
place
and
no
one
cares.
The
signs
were
taken
away
for
Hurricane
Ian
and
no
one
cares
to
put
them
back.
We
just
need
answers.
How
much
longer
must
we
endure
the
gravel
road,
the
health
issues
and
the
speeding
cars?
B
We
pay
our
taxes
and
our
law-abiding
citizens
we
feel
like
we
live
in
a
third
world
country.
No
one
seems
to
care
if
it
was
our
house
and
your
neighbor.
If
it
was
your
house
in
your
neighborhood,
wouldn't
you
be
embarrassed
to
have
company
over
please
just
give
us
answers
sincerely
Deborah
Thompson.
Thank.
A
G
Meeting
yes,
this
is
the
first
we've
heard
about
this
from
this
individual.
This
is
the
first
we've
heard
about
I,
don't
know
who
she
talked
to.
It
was
the
contractor,
but
we'll
be
getting
on
it
first
thing
this
morning
to
get
it
all,
we
haven't
seen
the
claim
we
haven't
seen
any
of
these
things
that
she
says
in
there,
so
we
don't
know
where
he
went
to,
but
it's
on
first
thing
in
the
morning
to
get
with
her
and
find
out
all
this
information
and
do
what
we
can
for
her.
Okay,
thank.
H
You
mayor
can
I
ask
a
question:
go
ahead,
can
we
close
that
street
to
traffic
and
just
keep
it
for
local
people?
We.
H
A
Okay,
all
right
that
ends
public
comments,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda;
there's
six
items;
one
attorneys
fees,
trastagonal,
LLP,
November
front
one
invoice
and
then
number
two
special
events
and
there's
five
of
those
snow
place.
Boat
Parade,
St,
Nicholas,
Vespers,
Christmas
parade
Holiday
Movie
in
the
Park
number
three
is
approved,
name
change
of
cardinal
Incorporated
engineer
of
record
to
well.
It
doesn't
say,
but
in
any
case
there's
a
name
change
there
in
in
the
the
new
name
is
actually
in
the
backup
number
item.
A
Number
four
is
increase
file,
number
220161-c-as,
computer-aided
dispatch;
automated
report
management
system
item
five
increase
file;
number
two:
three:
zero:
zero:
four
dash
n;
a
s
single
Source,
purchase
of
rugged
machine
to
machine
Gateway,
integrated
Broadband,
global
positioning
system,
routers
item
six
award
file;
number
230048-c-as,
parrot
or
Perot
a-n-f-a-I
USA
government
drones,
utilizing
General,
Services,
Administration
contract
gs-07f-0387y.
A
Does
any
commissioner
wish
to
pull
any
of
these
I'd
actually
like
to
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
approve
those,
and
then
I've
got
a
request
from
from
for
chief
young
through
the
city
manager.
So
let's
have
a
motion
to
approve
items.
Well,
let
me
go
to
public
comment.
First,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
any
of
these
items.
A
Mr
jump:
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
J
B
A
K
For
the
Christmas
parade
every
year,
we
work
with
very
closely
with
FWC
Florida
Wildlife
Commission.
They
go
in
prior
to
the
boat
event
and
they
do
monitor
the
amenities
in
the
bayou
area
for
us
and
then
stay
in
there
throughout
the
boat
parade
through
the
night
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
going
through
there
at
an
idle
speed
zone.
K
Pro
that's
correct
with
the
FWC
they
come
in
with
the
boat
into
that
area.
That
kind
of
gives
the
manatees
a
little
heads
up
something's
happening
over
here,
and
they
start
you
know
doing
their
little
migration
out
of
the
area
and
stuff
to
safer
Waters.
But
I've
talked
to
many
of
the
people
that
work
at
FWC
about
this
over
the
years
and
they
say
idle
speed
zones.
The
manatees
will
get
out
of
the
way
they
they'll
go
through
there.
K
That's
correct
and
in
our
local
ordinance,
which
was
approved
by
the
state,
it
has
gives
this
board
the
availability
on
two
dates:
Christmas
parade
being
one
and
the
other
being
Epiphany.
Okay,.
A
M
M
The
the
period
of
the
renewal
would
be
from
December
3rd
22
through
December,
2nd
2023
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
125
800
dollars.
M
M
We
had
an
evaluation
committee
comprised
of
people
from
across
the
city
departments,
and
we
evaluated
a
number
of
proposals
and
unanimously
recommended
the
gearing
group
because
of
the
service
that
they
provide
they
have
in
the
past
three
years.
They
have
actually
initiated
and
made
recommendations
on
an
RFP.
For
our
excuse
me,
our
medical,
our
Dental
problem,
good
excuse
me
Medical,
Dental,
life,
LTD
and
voluntary
benefits.
M
N
M
M
Basically,
in
a
nutshell,
I'll
outline
some
of
the
services.
They
have
a
minimum
of
eight
people
that
are
constantly
in
contact
with
the
city.
They
provide
workshops,
seminars,
training.
A
lot
of
this
has
been
done
online
in
the
last
three
years
because
of
covid,
but
now
there's
they're
on
site
visits
and
there
will
be
conferences
and
other
workshops
we
have
there
isn't
a
week.
Go
goes
by
that
we
don't
have
contact
with
with
the
gearing
group
they
provide
the
online
enrollment
which
we
just
went
through
through
bentek
they're,
online
enrollment
and
in
administration
tool.
M
M
M
You'll
probably
remember
the
end
of
September
right
before
the
hurricane.
We
renewed
the
risk
management
contract
again
Gehring
saved
us
over
181
thousand
dollars
in
premium,
so
bottom
line
is
they
have
the
expertise
and
they
also
have
the
leverage
that
individual
cities
do
not
have
with
companies.
And
that
concludes
my
presentation.
G
Except
again,
when
this
thing
was
first,
first
done
in
19,
I
was
a
little
skeptical
and
this
thing
is
some
of
the
best
money
we've
spent
and
saved
us,
probably
the
next
two
or
three
years
of
of
savings
for
what
they've
saved
us.
This
is
one
of
the
best
moves
we've
made
and
they've
paid
for
themselves
many
times
over.
So
okay.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor
long,
no.
I
Real
comments
except
they've,
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
for
my
understanding
and
I
look
forward
to
them
doing
a
fantastic
job
going
forward.
I.
O
I
would
just
say:
the
kind
of
proof
is
in
the
pudding
is
what
and
Jane
gave
a
lot
of
good
evidence
in
this.
This
is
a
great
hire,
a
great
hire
from
a
consultant
standpoint
for
the
city
for
its
residents
and
for
the
employees,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
continue
this
relationship.
It's
the
additional
benefits
that
come
along
with
it,
not
just
negotiating
the
the
the
health
insurance
and
the
dental
insurance,
but
the
other
ancillary
items
come
along
with
it
too,
which
are
great
aspects
to
it.
O
H
H
P
You're
correct
it's,
this
RFP
was
done
and
evaluated
and
I
forgot
to
include
it
in
the
backup
information.
Normally,
when
we
do
a
renewal,
we
like
to
give
all
the
documents
every
now
and
then
I
don't
catch
that,
and
this
one
did
not,
but
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
send
them
to
you.
So
you
can
review.
Thank.
A
J
You
Miss
niff
and
the
presentation
was
good
I.
We
got
to
see
when
enrollment
happened
this
year,
how
they
were
constantly
having
the
workshops
and
the
ability
to
set
up
staff
to
come
out
here
and
and
sign
up
or
get
questions
asked
and
so
I
think
it's
a
great
benefit
to
the
city
and
I
know
it's
paid
off.
So
thank
you.
Ma'am.
A
I,
don't
have
any
comments,
I
just
want
to
say
the
world's
gotten
complicated
and
it's
hard
for
the
staff
to
keep
up
with
all
of
these
things
and
whenever
we
can
get
help
and
they
pay
for
themselves.
It's
worth
the
money.
Thank
you,
Ms
niffen
roll
call.
Please
I
may
have
a
motion
in
a
second
roll
call.
A
M
Yes,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
make
the
recommendation
and
I'll
introduce
Mr
Sean
Fleming,
who
is
the
a
Senior
Benefits
consultant
with
the
gearing
group,
we're
recommending
that
the
mayor
and
Board
of
Commissioners
approve
the
attached
immense
First
Amendment
to
the
wellness
center
agreement
and
also
the
amended
agreement
itself.
This
extension
is
for
a
three-year
period:
effective
October,
1st
20
2022
through
September
30th
2025,
and
it
is
contingent
upon
the
city's
purchase
of
health
insurance
through
fmit
for
the
period
October
1st
23
to
September
30th
2025..
Q
Thank
you
Jane
good
evening,
mayor
commission,
so
it's
been
a
couple
years,
but
our
contract
for
the
lease
for
the
health
center
is
up
and
being
that
it
only
comes
up
every
couple
years.
We
thought
it'd
be
good
to
just
go
through
a
couple
highlights
on
it.
Just
to
refresh
everybody
and
any
questions.
Y'all
have
please
stop
me
and
answer.
N
Q
Right
so
just
a
little
bit
of
quick
background
fmit,
which
is
Florida
of
League
of
cities,
ultimately
included
the
health
center
in
the
medical
plan,
starting
for
the
2016
and
17
plan
year
that
Health
Center
is
operated
by
Kerry
TC,
which
is
a
third
party
provider
that
operates
Clinic
Services
throughout
the
state
and
throughout
the
country,
and
with
that
real
high
level
of
services,
our
you
know:
Primary
Care,
Urgent
Care.
Q
We
have
lab
pharmaceutical
Services,
there's
no
cost
for
the
employee
for
any
of
the
services
that
are
rendered
and
just
to
take
one
step
back
and
really
look
at
clinics
and
the
concept
and
why
this
was
started
and
why
a
lot
of
the
groups
have
adopted.
This
is
looking
at
the
cost
of
care
and
the
current
medical
system,
as
well
as
challenges
with
Doctor
shortages,
the
cost
of
medications,
people
not
going,
and
then
potentially
you
know
finding
out
too
late
that
they've
got
a
condition
that
they
could
have
got
ahead.
Of.
Q
That's
kind
of
the
whole
concept
of
the
health
center
is.
If
we
can
do
those
things
and
we
can
get
ahead,
we
can
offer
care
to
employees
at
a
removing
that
cost
barrier.
We
can
ultimately
reduce
the
cost
to
the
medical
plan
so
that
real
high
level,
those
are
our
goals
for
the
clinic.
So
the
league
of
cities
put
that
included
in
the
health
plan
because
they
knew
if
we
shift
those
Services
out
of
the
health
plan
to
a
lower
price
point
in
the
health
center,
we
would
ultimately
be
able
to
control
costs.
Q
Control
claims
expenses
offer
better
renewals
for
the
employees
down
the
road,
so
the
cities
sort
of
buy-in
from
for
that
was
one
to
have
their
insurance
through
the
league
of
cities,
and
then
the
city
picks
up
79
of
the
lease
for
the
actual
facility.
Kerry
TC
uses
some
of
the
back
area
for
administration
for
some
of
the
other
clinics
in
the
state,
so
they
pick
up
that
21
and
then
the
city
enters
into
that
an
agreement
with
fmit
and
then
also
with
care
ATC
for
the
lease.
Q
So
how
is
that
working?
As
you
all
know,
we
did
the
medical
renewal
a
couple
months
ago.
So
there's
a
lot
of
benchmarks.
We
look
at
I,
don't
want
to
put
you
to
sleep
with
too
many
metrics
tonight,
but
really
the
the
tail
of
the
tape
is
how
much
are
employees
having
in
spending
and
claims
prescriptions
office
visits
hospital
and
what
does
that
look
like
on
a
year-to-year
basis?
So
if
we
go
back
to
2017,
that
average
was
952
dollars
per
employee
per
month.
Q
If
you
look
at
that
graph,
you'll
notice
a
little
bit
of
dip
in
1920.
That
was
our
covid
year,
where
we
had
a
lot
of
shutdowns.
But
if
you
look
overall
going
back
five
years,
we've
had
about
a
3.3
percent
increase
National
medical
inflation.
During
that
time
period
has
been
closer
to
seven
percent
and
in
Florida
we're
typically
three
to
four
percent
higher,
because
we
have
an
older
population.
We
have
a
more
Demand
on
doctors,
they're
able
to
charge
more
for
some
of
of
those
things.
Q
So
overall
3.3
percent
and
that's
time
per
year,
that's
in
total
in
five
years
is
really
outpacing
the
market.
So,
overall
the
results
of
the
clinic
and
helping
to
control
those
costs
have
been
fantastic.
If
we
showed
you
this
graph
for
a
lot
of
other
entities
in
the
area,
you
would
see
six
seven,
eight
nine
percent
increase
in
those
costs
and
think
about
starting
at
almost
a
thousand
dollars
per
month
that
compounding
gets
pretty
pretty
high.
Pretty
quick.
Q
So
overall,
the
results
that
the
clinic
has
helped
generate
has
been
fantastic,
so
going
to
the
actual
renewal.
The
renewal
for
the
clinic
as
as
Jane
said,
is
contingent
upon
you
having
your
your
health
insurance
through
the
Florida
League
of
cities.
So
what
happens
if,
next
year
we
do
a
bid.
Next
year,
the
Florida
Liga
cities
provides
a
rate
that
we
think
is
absorbitant
based
on
the
claims.
What
are
our
options
so
back
in
2020,
when
we
last
negotiated
the
lease
we
did
negotiate
an
exit
clause
of
120
days.
Q
Q
So
the
big
question,
or
the
big
concern
is
you
know:
does
this
put
the
city
in
a
point
where
you're
you're
backed
into
the
corner
a
little
bit
because
of
this
lease
and
having
to
buy
your
insurance
from
the
Florida
Legal
City?
So
I
want
to
just
answer
that
part.
So,
ultimately,
if
the
city
chose
to
leave
early-
and
let's
say
you
left
with
two
years
to
go,
you
would
have
basically
a
payment
of
40
000
per
year
for
those
two
years
to
put
that
in
perspective
of
what
the
medical
plan
costs
it's
about.
Q
1.6
percent
of
the
spend
on
the
medical.
So
the
question
comes:
if
somebody
offered
you
a
health
insurance
plan
without
a
clinic
and
the
same
benefits
for
only
1.6
percent
less
would
we
recommend
you
leave,
probably
not
because
it's
going
to
cost
you
more
than
that,
just
to
change
everybody
over
have
new
doctors,
all
those
things
somebody
comes
in
15
percent,
lower
as
an
example
offering
you
the
same
benefits
and
as
good
of
a
plan.
Well,
there's
a
potentially
the
hit
of
1.6
percent,
but
we're
still
saving
13
and
a
half
percent.
Q
So,
in
that
case,
we
think
it
would
make
sense
all
the
other
Provisions
are
the
same.
So
with
that,
we
ultimately
recommend
that
the
city
choose
to
renew
that
lease
option
and,
as
I
said,
if
in
future
years
of
the
health
renewal
is
not
where
we
want
it
to
be,
if
somebody
offers
a
significantly
better
deal,
we
know
that,
there's
that
minor
cost
to
terminate,
if
need
be,
and
with
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
y'all
have.
A
E
I
I
It
states
here
that
you're
looking
at
the
per
employee
cost
for
medical
and
Pharmacy
claims
I'm
actually
kind
of
shocked
that
they're
that
high
are
they?
Are
you
looking
overall
or
is
this
just
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs?
This.
Q
Q
Typically,
you're
going
to
see
50
to
60
percent
of
a
group
have
less
than
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
spend
what
you'll
also
see
is
three
to
five
percent
of
that
group
is
probably
generating
60
to
70
percent
of
your
claims.
So,
typically
in
any
given
year,
we
have
two
or
three
individuals
on
a
plan
that
will
have
anywhere
between
a
quarter
million
dollars
and
a
half
a
million
in
claims.
Q
So
it
doesn't
take
very
long
to
skew
that
number
with
a
couple
of
those
catastrophic
claims
and
I
would
say
one
other
thing
if
I
I'll
have
hard
data
in
front
of
me,
but
just
a
lot
of
groups
in
the
area
are
average
claims
per
employee
per
month.
All
we
do
is
is
government
entities
is
in
that
12
to
1400
a
month
range,
so
you
guys
are
actually
about
20
below
that.
Okay.
I
O
Thanks
mayor,
so
did
Kerry
CT
already
renew
their
lease
for
this
space
and
then
they're
asking
the
minimum
amendment
to
be
completed
as
well
too.
Am
I
understand
that
correctly.
O
O
Q
As
far
as
were
other
facilities
looked
at
is
that
kind
of
right?
Where
are
you
going?
No,
so
Kerry
TC
ultimately
maintained
those
discussions
on
whether
or
not
you
know
to
move
the
facility,
and
there
were
some
of
these
where
they
were
locking
in
the
big
thing
that
you
look
at
that
when
we
look
at
office,
space
is
there's
also
a
concern
of
equipment,
costs
and
some
of
investment,
and
that
so
some
of
those
would
would
generate
some
extra
expenses
in
that
regard.
O
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
in
the
past.
It
was
for
the
board's
edification.
This
was
shared
with
the
city
of
Oldsmar.
It's
in
Palm
Harbor,
it's
I,
guess
middle
Palm,
Harbor,
it's
not
like
it's
South,
Palm,
Harbor,
so
I
don't
know.
I
would
hope
that
I've
seen
it
more
towards
Tarpon,
Springs
I,
don't
know
where
the
majority
of
our
employees
live,
though
so
that
could
have
been
a
study
that
could
have
been
completed
as
well
too.
Q
N
Q
Not
necessarily
the
the
three-year
we
can
take
a
look
at
their
negotiation
on
that
lease.
If
there's
an
option:
okay,
I.
H
Q
So
yes,
it
does
compete
with
your
insurance
in
the
sense
of
where
do
I
choose
to
go,
but
ultimately
that's
a
benefit
to
your
insurance,
because
the
price
point
in
the
health
center
is
quite
a
bit
Below
Retail,
so
they're
not
trying
to
make
a
profit.
They
don't
have
some
of
these
margins
to
hit
they're
able
to
spend
a
little
more
time
with
the
employee,
so
we
ultimately
see
a
lower
cost,
typically
30
to
40
percent,
with
a
regular
type
visit
with
the
health
center.
Q
H
When
we
go
to
negotiate
with
the
our
health
insurance,
do
we
then
bring
up
the
fact
that
we
have
this
for
negotiation
skill
for
for
negotiation,
so.
Q
H
Q
Q
So
we
so
the
the
league
of
cities
and
Kerry
TC
each
year,
and
then
we
analyze
the
report.
They
compare
every
pharmaceutical
being
offered
in
the
health
center
to
the
cost
of
the
pharmaceutical
on
the
medical
plan,
make
sure
that
we're
only
stocking
meds
that
are
a
lower
price
point,
even
though
the
employees
don't
have
a
co-pay.
So
we
use
that
price
after
the
employees
cost
share
to
make
sure
that
it's
lower
than
the
health
plan.
Q
Otherwise
we
don't
offer
it
other
than
there's
a
few
exceptions
every
now
and
then,
with
what
I'd
call
some
loss
leaders.
Typically
your
antibiotics.
There
might
not
be
that
much
savings,
but
there's
really
no
cost.
So
it's
worth
us
stocking
those
because
it
saves
the
employee
a
visit
to
the
doctor
where
there
would
be
a
much
higher
cost.
So
there's
some
drugs
that
are
maybe
10
cents
more
than
on
the
medical
plan,
but
it
makes
sense
because
it
saves
US
money
in
the
long
run.
So.
H
H
A
J
A
The
only
thing
I
I
think
for
information
you're,
our
health
care
consultant
as
well,
and
so
it's
important
to
understand
that
this
is
part
of
the
overall
approach
to
saving
costs
for
our
health
care
and
obviously
you're
there
pitching
for
this.
So
you
recommend
it
to
continue
on
as
we
have
been.
Yes,.
Q
A
B
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all
thanks,
Mr
pulos.
Our
next
item
is
review
and
approve
internal
audit
of
human
resources
department.
We've
got
15
minutes
to
go
before
we
go
to
our
ordinances.
Okay,.
S
Yeah
I'll
be
real,
quick
this
evening,
Mr
Mayor
Commissioners
good
evening.
Thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening.
Yeah
the
reason
it's
going
to
be
real,
quick
because
half
of
the
the
findings
I'm
really
not
going
to
go
over
because
they've
already
been
remedied,
so
I
just
put
them
in
just
following
all
the
protocol.
I
I
included
them
in
the
audit
and
those
have
to
deal
with
the
employment
contracts.
You'll,
remember,
I,
think
yeah
I
want
to
say
back
in
Late
July.
S
The
board
voted
to
to
reapprove
both
the
police
chief
of
Fire
Chiefs
contracts
and
based
on
what
the
city
managers
told
me
in
his
response
to
this
audit.
The
news
when
he
they
hire
a
new
City
attorney,
he's
going
to
have
him
review,
review
the
the
employment
contracts
and
maybe
get
a
standardized
standardized
contract.
So
I
won't
even
won't
even
talk
about
those,
so
that
leaves
well.
Let
me
let
me
just
back
up
and
I'll
just
start
from
the
top.
S
S
Obviously,
I
tested
Personnel
files
because
there's
a
lot
of
federal
regulations
and
and
state
statutes
concerning
Personnel
files,
a
lot
of
requirements,
a
lot
of
required
documents,
so
I
I
tested
what
they
call
the
regular
employee
files,
not
the
medical
ones,
tested
onboarding
files,
off-boarding
files
and
I
found
no
exceptions
in
any
of
them.
The
HR
department's
file
room
and
the
HR
Suite
was
was,
was
Secure
and
and
properly
monitored.
It
is
an
older
system
that
they
use
it's
a
paper-based
system.
S
They
don't
really
have
a
hris
or
Humanity
Source
information
system,
but
that's
not
their
fault,
but
regardless
they
they
they
do.
They
do
a
pretty
good
job.
They're
they're
very
well
organized
because
I
didn't
find
any
issues
with
that.
Then
I
looked
at
pay,
additives
and
I.
Looked
at
two
pay.
Additives,
I
looked
at
the
shoe
allowance
and
the
lead
worker
pay
lead
worker
pay
one
and
two.
The
shoe
allowance
I
found
no
issues
with
them.
In
fact,
I
had
really
strong
controls.
It
may
not
seem
like
a
lot
shoe
allowance.
S
It
sounds
a
little
sounds
a
little
funny,
but
but
there's
over
a
hundred
people
and
I'm,
not
including
the
First
Responders
and
over
100
people
that
benefit
from
that,
and
we
spend
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
shoe
allowance.
So
it's
it's
it's
it's
definitely
relevant,
but
there's
strong
controls
with
that,
because
the
the
shoe
allowance
there's
a
committee
that
decides
who
gets
it
and
they
tie
the
shoe
allowance
to
the
position,
not
the
person
and
that's
the
proper
way
to
the
proper
way
proper
way
to
do
it.
S
So
excuse
me
that
leaves
the
lead
worker
pay.
That's
where
I
found
some
issues
and
the
the
findings
are
really
more
examples
of
of
of
the
the
more
symptoms.
I
guess
you
could
say
are
examples
of
the
problem
and
the
problem
is
the
policy
itself
the
lead,
work
or
pay
policy,
the
lead
worker
pay
policy
like
I,
say
in
the
report.
It's
it's
overly
broad
as
to
who
is
entitled
to
get
lead
worker
pay
or
who
can
possibly
get
lead,
work
and
pay,
and
it's
it's
not
specific
on
I'm.
S
Sorry,
it's
overly
broad
on
on
on
what
constitutes
lead
worker
pay
and
it's
not
very
specific
on
who
can
get
it.
Basically,
in
a
nutshell,
almost
every
employee,
barring
the
charter
officials,
can
get
lead
worker
pay
and
that's
not
what
a
lead
worker
pay
policy
is,
and
you
know
I
won't
go
through
unless
anyone's
got
any
questions,
but
you
can
see
where
you
have
directors
that
are
getting
it
and
executive
employees
shouldn't
be
getting
lead,
work
or
PayPal.
It
shouldn't
be
getting
lead
worker
pay
because
by
definition
they
are
lead
workers.
S
S
The
question
is:
who
are
you?
Who
are
you
who's
doing
the
leading?
If
half
the
people
are
getting
lead,
work
or
bad,
but
at
any
rate
though,
so
it's
basically
just
it's
just
a
bad
policy.
S
So
if
you
have
a
bad
policy
you're
going
to
have
bad
results,
I've
talked
to
the
city
manager
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
review
the
policy
and
tighten
it
up,
but
that
was
that
was
pretty
much
it
I
mean
there's
like
I
said:
there's,
there's
there's
like
five
examples
of
of
where
the
lead
worker
pay
policy
failed
and
there
was
a
I
think
seven
objects.
What
I
call
observations
which
are
positive
things
in
in
the
audit
I
could
go
through
those,
but
I
doubt
you
all
want
me
to.
S
But
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
it,
but
the
good
thing
is
in
a
nutshell:
we
identified
a
few
deficiencies.
Basically
in
the
lead
worker
policy
city
managers
has
is
going
to
address
those
same
thing
with
the
the
employment
contracts.
So
I
don't
see
any
any
issues
going
forward.
A
I
I'm,
actually
surprised
at
a
director
level
would
get
lead
worker
pay,
but
outside
of
that
really
is,
as
always,
I
appreciate
the
diligence
put
into
your
work
at
this
time.
I'm
satisfied
with
the
Management's
response,
and
thank
you
thank.
S
You
and
I'm
satisfied
as
well.
I
thought
it
was
a
it
was
it
was.
It
was
clear
and
concise
and
I
appreciate
the
city
manager
and
and
the
DHR
director's
response
as
well.
Okay,.
O
H
H
When
these
the
contracts
that
went
astray
shouldn't
that
have
been
done
by
the
past
City
attorney
and
shouldn't
a
new
City
attorney,
be
the
person
that
takes
that
on.
Yes,.
S
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
maybe
I
wasn't
clear.
That's
that's
what
that's
what
the
the
city
manager
said
in
his
response
he's
going
to
have
the
the
new
City
attorney
review,
the
the
process
as
to
who
should
have
a
contract
with
employees
and
what
those
contracts
should
have.
My
goal
would
be
to
have
a
standardized
Employment
contract
with
you
know,
interchangeable
benefits
and
those
things,
but
they
all
should
look
the
same.
You
know
save
for
the
the
benefits
on
a
few
other
small
things,
because
right
now
we
basically
have
two
contracts.
S
We
have
my
contracts
very
similar
to
the
city
managers
and
then
we
have
three
other
employees
who
have
contracts
and
they're
they're
totally
different
I
mean
they're,
just
it's.
If
you've
seen
them,
then
you'd
see
what
I
was
talking
about
there
to
me.
I
think
they're,
they're,
yeah,
technically
legally
sufficient,
but
not
something
you
would
expect
from
from
from
a
licensed
attorney
that
to
write
that.
H
So
you're
saying
that
that
should
have
been
that,
in
your
opinion,
that
was
should
have
been
done
by
the
City
attorney.
Oh
absolutely,
okay,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
when
we
go
forward
with
the
new
City
attorney
that
will
be
done.
H
I
just
tended
to
see
that
the
this
lead
funds
was
like
an
Undeclared
bonus
and
I'm,
just
glad
that
that
will
get
rectified
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
having
these
things
corrected,
and
hopefully
the
city
moves
forward
with
it.
So
thank.
A
You
thank
you,
commissioner,.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
polos,
for
the
presentation.
It
seems
that
everybody's
able
to
get
the
answers
to
your
questions
that
you're
in
need
everybody
who's
able
to
work
together,
and
you
know
just
the
overall
lead
worker
pay
with
some
of
the
recommendations
from
the
auditor
I
think
at
some
point
we
need
to
discuss
a
merit-based
system.
You
know
I've
spoken
to
some
City
staff
and
some
department
heads
that
think.
That
could
be
a
course
for
us
to
take,
and
you
know
at
some
point
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
discussion.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
some
policy
issues
that
come
out
of
this
as
you're
describing
Mr
pulis
I
want
to
commend
you
on
this
audit
I
think
it's
excellent.
It
read
much
in
my
opinion
very
well.
It
was
objective
and,
quite
frankly,
I
think
everything
was
handled
very
nicely.
I
said
that
you
know
the
city
manager
did
a
knock
on
my
door
once
so.
Evidently,
that's
a
good
sign
and
and
I
spoke
to
him
and
and
things
will
be
worked
out
and
I'm
very
confident
that
they
will.
A
As
I've
said,
we
haven't
had
an
internal
auditor
for
many
many
years
and
there's
no
doubt
that,
with
every
audit
that
you're
going
to
do
you're
going
to
find
something
that
needs
to
be
corrected,
that's
your
job
and
it's
just
getting
getting
it
done.
I'm
sure,
Ms
Jackson
is
going
to
be
helping
us
with
some
of
these
things
in
the
future.
That's
going
to
be
her
role
with
the
items,
the
deficiencies
that
you
mentioned.
A
J
J
B
B
J
A
I'm
trying
to
think
I
think
what
we
should
do
is:
let's,
let's
adjourn
for
five
minutes
and
we'll
pick
it
up
with
the
ordinances
and
the
resolutions
at
7
30
exactly
so,
if
you
need
to
take
a
break,
let's
please
do
that
now
adjourned
or
going
to
recess
at
7
25.
A
A
What
we're
going
to
do
for
the
purposes
of
the
the
quasi-judicial
process,
we're
going
to
hear
them
both
together,
but
we're
going
to
start
and
key
off
on
ordinance,
2022-12
and
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
that,
then
we'll
we'll
go
ahead
with
ordinance
2022-11,
which
is
the
zoning
without
redoing
the
entire
process,
so
Ms
Jackson.
If
we
could
have
the
ordinance
read
by
title
2022-12
and
go
through
the
explanation
of
the
quasi-judicial
hearing
process
and
also
swear
in
any
witnesses
that
we
have
this
evening.
Thank
you.
T
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
T
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
A
Thank
you
I
see
that
Mr
kokolacas
is
here,
he's
the
applicant
Ms
Vinson.
Would
you
like
to
make
your
presentation?
This
is
the
second
reading
this.
U
Is
a
second
reading?
Thank
you,
mayor
Commissioners,
Renee
Vincent
planning
a
zoning
director.
This
is
application
22-34
for
the
Livery
stable
project.
This
is
actually
the
second
readings
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
On
the
on
these
two
ordinances,
one
of
the
land
use
ordinance.
The
other
is
a
rezoning
ordinance.
U
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
reviewed
this
on
May
16th
and
recommended
approval.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
then
recommended
approval
on
the
first
reading
on
June
14th.
Since
that
time,
the
in
addition
to
the
local
Amendment,
there
was
also
a
required
Amendment
to
the
county-wide
plan
map
and
that
has
taken
place
of
the
County
Web
planning
Authority,
which
is
the
board
of
County
Commissioners,
sits
as
the
county-wide
planning,
Authority
reviewed
and
approved
the
county-wide
plan
map
Amendment
on
October
25th.
U
U
Amending
the
City's
land
use
map
designation
for
this
property
from
residential
Urban.
To
community
redevelopment
district,
and
then
you
have
a
companion,
zoning
ordinance,
ordinance,
22-11,
amending
the
zoning
from
conditional
residential
mix
to
special
area
plan
and
then
within
that,
within
those
those
designations,
a
special
area
plan,
the
property
will
actually
be
placed
into
the
downtown
character
district
and
within
the
smart
code
it
would
be
designated
as
the
t4a
residential
and
retail
office.
U
The
the
site
location
is
at
the
north
east
corner
of
orange
and
ring
it
consists
of
two
properties.
Actually
they
have
these
a
single
family
house,
and
then
you
have
what
is
you
know,
kind
of
kind
of
now
known
as
delivery,
stable
building,
which
is
a
commercial
structure.
It
appears
on
the
1909
and
1913
Sanborn
Maps,
as
as
an
actual
Livery,
stable
and
then
19
is
recently
as
1926.
It
was
actually
operated
as
a
hotel
in
later
years
apartments
and
then,
finally,
much
later
it
transitioned
to
a
single
family
residence.
U
So
the
applicant
wanted
to
do
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
this
of
this
property.
That's
really
was
more
consistent
with
our
downtown
in
the
mixed
use
characteristics
of
the
area,
which
is
what
necessitated
the
request
for
the
change
in
land
use
and
Zoning.
So
with
that,
I'll
stop
like
I,
said
and
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
about
the
land
use
and
Zoning.
Since
we're
going
to
have
a
more
detailed
hearing
about
the
conditional
use
in.
A
A
few
moments,
thank
you.
Ms
Vincent,
before
we
go
further,
I
need
to
do
a
little
housekeeping.
I
wanted
to
ask
whether
is
there
any
affected
parties
here,
I,
don't
believe
there
were
any
in
the
first
reading,
no
affected
parties.
A
A
A
You
need
to
get
up
and
state
your
name
and
address,
and
and
also
tell
us
why
you
believe,
you're
an
affected
party.
You
live
within
a
certain
distance
and
you
have
an
issue
with
the
project.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
if
you'd
like
to
come
forward
and
state
your
name,
so
you're
going
to
be
able
to
speak
on
this
at
you
on
your
term
I.
T
V
My
name
is
Nancy
Casto
Subic
I
live
at
334
East
Orange
Street,
which
is
caddy
corner
where
this
hotel
is
supposed
to
be
going.
I'm
I
have
some
questions
I'm,
not
on.
A
A
A
Right,
thank
you.
Let's
go
to
the
commission
with
any
questions.
Vice
Maryland.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
I
Yeah
I
have
some
questions
and
a
couple
of
comments.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
again
is
just
another
example
of
why
we
should
have
put
ordinance
2022-25
in
prior
to
this,
where
conditional
uses
can
be
handled
concurrently
rather
than
serially.
I
I.
Think
it's
to
the
benefit
of
the
public
to
know
what
conditional
uses
are
when
they're
con,
considering
land
use
changes.
Now,
what
we're
doing
here
from
my
point
of
view,
is
we're
changing
the
Lan
code
use
to
a
different
transect
that
allows
the
conditional
use
that
wouldn't
be
that
wouldn't
be
applicable
if
we
didn't
change
it
to
another
transect
and
we've
done
this
before,
and
we've
done
it
again
and
I
don't
like
to
see
this
because
not
everybody
gets
all
the
information.
I
U
Hotel
would
not
a
bed
and
breakfast
would
be
a
conditional
use.
A.
U
I
I
noticed
it
was
stated,
and
it
was
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting
that
there
was
there
was
nobody
that
that
came
as
an
effective
party
that
talked
against
this
particular
application.
I
A
A
Okay,
I,
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
completely
understand
what
Vice
Maryland
is
saying
and-
and
we
you
know
it's
like
a
long
list
of
things
that
we
need
to
address
the
one
good
thing
about
the
conditional
use:
it's
not
associated
with
a
site
plan
per
se
which
got
us
into
the
issue
with
a
hotel
down
to
sponge
Dock.
So
we've
got
some
work
to
do
in
this
area
and
I
think
the
staff
recognizes
that,
but
you're
right.
This
has
been
done
this
way
before
so
we'll
just
deal
with
it.
A
I
don't
have
any
other
further
questions
and
and
I
probably
should
have
just
not
editorialized
on
that
anyway,
Ms
Vincent.
Would
you
like
your
report,
made
part
of
the
record?
Yes.
U
A
You
Mr
kokolakis,
do
you
have
a
a
cross-examination
of
Mrs
Vincent
of
anything
that
she
said?
Okay,
would
you
like
to
do
you
have
a
comments
or
anything
that
you
would
like
to
state?
If
you
could
just
state
your
name
and
address
I'm,
it
sounds
like
Mr
coolame,
commissioner
coulias
excuse
me
would
have
some
questions
for
you
good.
W
Evening,
everyone,
Joe
kokolakis,
Dunedin
Florida,
one
of
us
drive,
I,
guess
in
in
a
nutshell
I-
would
provide
more
of
an
update
than
a
statement.
The
building
you
know
I
have
had
my
office
across
the
street
from
the
building
for
over
30
years
and
it
has
been
an
eyesore
for
over
30
years.
W
I
know.
Renee
said
this
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
application,
but
it's
not
it's
a
restoration,
it's
a
restoration
of
a
critical
piece
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Fabric,
and
and
that's
it
it's
always
been
a
hotel.
I
I
understand
you
know.
Well,
not
really
you
understand
the
procedural
comments
and
I'm
not
here
to
even
speak
to
that
as
far
as
how
the
process
works,
but
this
is
just
something
that
we've
looked
at
and
I've
wanted
to
restore
over
the
course
of
many
years
towards
that
end.
W
I
work,
you
know,
since
we've
last
met
almost
two
parallel
approaches:
number
one
we
hired
a
consultant
performed
a
Vision
study
bringing
in
you
know
the
the
the
the
the
design
team
and
and-
and
you
know,
I
hate
to
say
my
family
members
that
are
involved
in
this
process,
because
it
is
kind
of
a
strenuous
expensive
undertaking.
W
Whereas
you
know
just
some
of
the
comments
that
came
out
of
the
vision
center
is
the
Livery
stable
is
a
unique
hotel
destination
in
the
heart
of
Tarpon
Springs.
That
will
provide
an
atmosphere
of
sophisticated
authenticity
to
the
guest
experience
anchoring
the
economic
evolution
of
Tarpon
Springs.
Another
comment
to
create
an
educational
show
piece
of
resiliency
and
sustainability
that
inspires
our
community
and
to
create
better
places
and
spaces
to
build
a
contemporary
economic
Catalyst
that
is
fiscally
sound
and
operationally
sustainable.
W
W
We
conducted
X-rays
of
the
entire
building,
all
the
block
walls
and
the
foundations,
and
found
out,
unfortunately,
that
there's
not
one
piece
of
rebar
in
any
of
the
walls,
not
one
filled
cell,
no
rebar
in
the
foundations,
so
we're
going
to
independently
build
the
structure
on
the
inside
and
the
existing
walls
are
going
to
essentially
be
just
just
a
screen
of
the
building
because
it
can't
withhold
anything
as
far
as
structural
load.
So
we're
doing
all
this
to
preserve
a
building
that
is
important
to
everyone.
W
W
This
is
much
more.
You
know
not
granted
it's
eight
rooms.
You
know
you
could
you
can?
You
can
make
business
decisions
because
of
the
limited
size
and
scope
of
the
project?
It's
small
enough
that
you
can
take
care
of
it
without
bank
financing,
but
it's
something
that
I
believe
in
it's
just
as
important
at
Tarpon
Springs.
As
anything
else.
That's
come
before
this
Commission
and
that's
it.
Thank.
W
I
No
I
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
I'm
sympathetic
to
what
you're
trying
to
do
most
of
my
angst
here
is
against
the
procedures
that
the
city
follows.
A
Right
I
understand,
commissioner
Carr.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
kokola,
because
I
know
it's
been
several
meetings
between
the
first
reading.
We
had
discussed
parking
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
is,
can
you
elaborate
on
you
be
able
to
fit
some
space
for
eight
rooms
of
parking
and
nearby
streets?
Well,.
W
A
whatever
we
haven't
submitted
anything
yet
to
staff.
We
have
two
site
plans.
They
both
I,
think
have
between
11
or
12
parking
spaces.
W
W
Oh,
that's
actually
I
mean
that
single
family
home
I
mean
right.
Now
our
plan
is
to
have
the
caretaker
for
the
hotel
live
there.
You
know
their
parking
lots
will
be
connected.
Probably
it
is
one
piece
owned
by
one:
LLC
delivery
stable.
So
at
this
point,
they're
they're
they're
intimately
related
absolutely.
J
A
L
W
U
A
Not
okay,
ma'am.
Would
you
like
to
come
forward
and,
and
you
will
be
able
to
ask
questions,
that's
what
you're
coming
up
there
for.
U
Mayor
can
I
just
interject
one
thing:
please
note
that
for
these
we're
talking
about
the
land
use
and
the
zoning
right
now,
this
conditional
use
applications
coming
next,
so
I.
Just
some
of
this
may
be
more
pertinent
to
the
conditional
use,
but
I.
A
V
V
I,
just
think
that
the
residential
downtown
area,
which
has
been
residential,
we
just
keep
going
further
and
further
back
with
all
this
development
and
commercial
stuff,
there
isn't
going
to
be
any
historic
homes
left
that
are
historic
homes,
I
understand
that
he's
trying
you're
trying
to
bring
that
back
to
the
original,
and
why
don't
you
put
Stables
down
below
and
and
have
your
lofting
up
top
if
you're
going
back
to
what
the
original
is
and
I,
don't
think
that
they're?
What
what
do
you
consider
a
boutique
hotel
I
mean?
V
V
I,
just
I,
don't
want
a
bunch
of
desirables
I.
Don't
think
that
the
parking
area
is
going
to
be
enough
for
to
cover
the
people
that
he's
wanting
to
cover,
and
it's
just
it
it's
do.
We
need
a
hotel,
you
know,
I
mean
really
I,
just
I.
Don't
want
to
look
at
it.
I
don't
want
the
traffic
I,
don't
want
the
noise
I
don't
want
to
at
least
if
it's
an
Airbnb
you
check
out.
Who
is
going
to
come
and
be
there.
You
just
don't
take
in
whoever's
there.
So
I
I
don't
want
a
hotel.
V
W
Just
to
be
clear,
there's
no
retail
component
or
anything
that
would
require
additional
parking
above
the
eight
rooms
and
the
single
family
home
next
door
to
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and,
as
Mrs
Vinson
pointed
out
for
the
process
purpose
of
the
process,
I
want
to
clarify
that
what
we're
talking
about
right
now
is
the
future
land
use
Amendment
and
also
the
zoning
there's
going
to
be
a
an
item
16
which
covers
the
same
property,
but
it's
for
conditional
use
we'll
go
through
this
process
again.
So
without.
Let
me
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item?
X
Not
within
500
feet,
I'm,
probably
within
800
feet.
My
name
is
Mark
Wood
I
live
at
412,
East
tarpon
and
to
Nancy's
point
I
love,
seeing
the
historical
aspect
of
Tarpon
maintained.
X
As
far
as
what
you
were
describing
I've
heard,
rumors
of
the
of
the
hotel
or
the
boutique.
However,
you
want
to
call
it
do
I
understand
that
it's
going
to
stay
two
stories:
you're,
not
really
changing
the
structure
you
just
you're,
maintaining
the
Integrity
of
the
structure
so
that
it's
safe
is
that
right
and
then
the
and
I
understand
the
owner
of
the
creamery
lives
next
door
to
the
Norris
and
Stephanie,
and
so
you're
you
own
that
property
and
you're
planning
to
a
vector,
I,
guess
or
there'll,
be
a.
X
Okay,
yeah
I
was
saying
it
was
quick,
so
I
mean
my
concern
is
the
same
as
Stephanie
it's
because
when
I
moved
here
seven
years
ago,
behind
the
funeral
parlor,
you
know
I
had
an
experience
of
there
was
going
to
be
condos
and
a
it
was
going
to
be
an
art
district
type
of
thing,
and
then
a
warehouse
popped
up
so
you're
concerned
that
things
develop
and
you
can't
really
prevent
it.
X
That's
my
block.
That's
our
block
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
I
want
to
see
the
historical
Integrity
just
like
Nancy
does
with
this
neighborhood,
because
I
love,
the
neighborhood
and
I
want
to
see
it
sort
of
develop
carefully
and
thoughtfully.
You
know
so
and
that's
that
that's
basically
my
comment
I'm
within
about
800
feet
of
it
and
and
so
other
than
that.
That's
thank.
Y
On
Bayshore
Drive
I
grew
up
on
the
corner,
the
corner
of
gross
and
orange,
and
the
little
white
house
next
to
my
grandmother's
home
is
now
rented
out
rooms,
and
then
you
have
the
Pender
house
on
the
corner.
They
used
to
rent
out
rooms
for
people
coming
into
Tarpon
and
then
across
the
street
from
the
Pender
house.
You
have
Apartments
they
park
on
the
street
too,
and
then
a
little
further
down.
Y
You
know
leave
them
as
they
are
on
the
exterior
do
what
they
have
to
do
on
the
interior,
but
I
want
you
to
realize
that
all
around
that
area,
people
are
renting
rooms
out
they're
parking
in
the
yards
on
the
side
of
the
yard,
behind
the
yard
down
the
alley.
So
I
from
what
I'm
hearing
what
this
gentleman
wants
to
do
is
going
to
fit
in
with
the
whole
area,
but
upgrade
it
upgrade
it
so
it'll
fit
in
and
then
on.
Orange
Street
further
up,
I
sold
the
produce
property
and
they've
put
into
townhouses.
Y
We
have
no
Hotel,
and
this
is
how
we're
going
to
house
the
people
who
come
into
our
community
to
see
Tarpon
Springs
walk,
Tarpon
Springs
they
get
to
live
in
these,
spend
the
night
or
rent
these
rooms
in
these
historic
homes
they
stay
historic.
But
what
he's
asking
for
is
already
there
and
that's
what
you
have
to
realize.
Y
There
are
many
rooms
there.
Some
of
them
are
rented
out
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
we
have
a
house
across
the
street
from
the
Stamos
corner
at
the
church.
They
rent
that
out
and
the
house
farther
down
yeah
on
the
corner
of
Tarpon
and
I.
Think
it's
I
forgot
the
name
of
the
street
there,
but
it's
been
restored
and
people
come
into
our
community
every
weekend
during
the
week
and
they
rent
these
rooms
or
they
rent
these
homes
and
they
stay
there.
Y
So
it's
really
not
any
different
than
what
he's
asking,
but
he's
going
to
restore
and
preserve
the
building.
That's
where
our
famous
band
leader
of
yesterday
lived
his
mother,
had
it
as
a
home
where
she
raised
her
children
and
then
it
sold
and
years
ago.
Y
The
history
tells
you
in
the
books
how
the
Cowboys
used
to
come
up
from
the
Anclote
River
and
stay
there,
and
they
kept
the
horses
there
there's
pictures
in
the
historical
societies
we
know
of
what
went
on
there
and
it
has
a
lot
of
history
in
it,
and
he
has
said
at
the
last
meeting
that
he
was
going
to
preserve
a
lot
of
the
history
of
that
place.
A
Ma'am
you've
had
your
opportunity
as
an
affected
party,
and
if
there's
somebody
else,
that's
with
you
that
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
that
hasn't
made
one
ma'am
you'll
have
another
you'll,
be
able
to
make
more
comments
during
the
conditional
use.
Again
we're
going
to
go
through
this
exact
same
process
for
the
conditional
use.
R
A
A
No
you've
you're
fine,
we
know
who
you
are
go
ahead.
Please
thank
you.
V
I
wanted
to
know
how
we
have
all
she's
speaking
about
all
these
places
that
we
have
in
the
neighborhood
that
everybody's
renting
and
everyone's
renting
we're
talking
about
eight
rooms.
How
is
that
going
to
bring
all
these
people
to
downtown
eight
rooms
and
I
live
in
the
Pender
house?
I'm,
the
third
owner
of
that
property?
There's
never
been
a
renter
in
that
property.
A
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
at
CERN
I'm,
the
owner
of
Currents
Restaurant
on
East,
Tarpon
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
I
think
it's
admirable,
that
we
have
people
in
our
community
that
are
willing
to
invest
money
and
time
into
a
restoration
project
like
this
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
going
on
right
now
with
the
downtown
district,
a
lot
of
new
things
popping
up.
You
know
a
lot
of
new
businesses
and
we're
seeing
a
momentum
in
the
downtown
area
and
it's
exciting.
Z
I
have
four
children
and
three
of
which
well
one
graduated
last
year,
but
two
of
which
are
still
in
Tarpon
Springs
High
School.
In
the
leadership
Conservatory.
We
have
family
that
come
in
from
out
of
town
all
the
time
and
I
think
it
would
be
wonderful
for
them
to
be
able
to
stay
so
close
to
the
high
school
close
to
us
right
in
the
heart
of
our
community
instead
of
looking
elsewhere
towards
you
know
down
towards
US
19.
Z
A
Thank
you,
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
and
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor
alone,.
I
You
know,
as
I
I
said
before,
I
think
the
process
is
somewhat
flawed.
The
way
we
do
this
I
know
we're
we're
working
to
amend
it.
I
do
see
the
need
for
this
within
the
downtown
area
as
well
and
I
see
no
additional
facts
presented
with
this.
That
would
change
my
decision
on
approving
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
U
H
Wanna
I
just
want
to
go
down
on
that.
Listen
I'm,
just
happy
to
see
the
Improvement
we
do
need
to
have
places
to
stay
over.
We
need
parking
and
places
to
stay
over
and
I'm
just
glad
that
it's
not
a
80
room,
120
room,
160,
room
Fiasco.
H
This
is
it'll,
be
a
quaint
little
place
and
I
just
wish
you
well
with
it,
and
that's
all
I
really
have
to
say
I'm
just
glad
to
see
that
it
is
building
the
the
positivity
that
I'm
getting
from
people
when
I
walk
through
the
streets
of
Tarpon
Ave,
it's
just
non-stop,
so
you
know
how
could
I
not
like
that.
So
thank
you.
J
Yes,
I
understand
what
the
the
future
land
use
and
the
changes
it
only
is
going
to
be
eight
rooms.
If
you
look
historically,
it's
been
a
livery
stable,
where
people
have
stayed
there
overnight
or
for
several
periods,
so
it
does
have
a
history
of
serving
as
a
as
a
stay-in.
So
I
just
think.
J
There's
got
to
be
a
point
where
we
provide
lodging
to
the
downtown
area,
but
we
don't
and
flux
it
tremendously
quickly,
and
this
is
a
project,
that's
a
a
good
stepping
stone
towards
that
area
without
providing
too
much
of
an
influx
of
people
coming
in,
and
you
know
that
building
can
easily
be
a
building
with
eight
people
living
there.
Eight
separate
rooms
where
people
live
in
there
permanently,
so
it
wouldn't
be
too
much
of
a
difference
and
we
got
to
start
providing
lodging
and
you
know
encouraging
applicants
for
that
for
the
downtown
area.
Thank
you.
A
Reuse
of
an
old
building
and
and
Mr
kokalakis
is
certainly
knows,
construction
and-
and
no
one
else
would
go
to
the
detail
that
he
did
to
identify
what
the
deficiencies
were
and
correct
them
and,
and
quite
frankly,
turn
it
into
a
Heritage
type
project,
I'm
kind
of
looking
forward
to,
and
it's
manage
the
station
as
far
as
eight
rooms,
our
Economic
Development
approach
that
we're
transitioning
to
is
is
basically
Place
making
creating
places
for
people
to
come
and
visit
Tarpon
Springs-
and
this
is
certainly
consistent
with
out
in
the
downtown
so
and
that's
consistent
with
our
special
area
plan
and
everything
else
that
we've
talked
about.
A
It's
not
really
creating
an
exorbitant
amount
of
density.
In
that
sense,
and
if
you
look
around
that
area,
I
I
don't
see
any
other
buildings
in
that
area,
maybe
the
Masons
or
something
at
some
point
in
the
future
or
something
but
I,
don't
even
know
if
that's
on
the
radar
but
I
just
don't
see
any
other
building.
That
would
be
able
to
be
used.
This
way
so
I
appreciate
the
project,
Mr
kokolakis
and
again
this
is
the
first
part.
A
We've
got
the
conditional
use,
we're
going
to
talk
to
talk
about
in
a
minute
which
is
going
to
get
perhaps
into
some
things
that
the
residents
would
be
more
interested
in
hearing
anyway
without
further.
If
there
are
no
other
comments,
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance,
2022-12,
the
future
land
use
Amendment.
A
Thank
you.
Yes,
yes,
Miss
Jackson
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
reading
of
2022-11.
The
zoning
Amendment.
A
O
A
A
Yes,
okay,
that
ends
the
item.
15.
Now
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
16
resolution,
2022-29
application,
2280
Livery
stable-
and
this
is
the
conditional
use
for
the
hotel,
Ms
Jackson.
If
we
could
have
the
resolution
read
by
title,
go
through
the
instructions
of
the
quasi-judicial
process
and
swearing.
If
there's
any
additional
Witnesses.
T
Resolution
number
2022-29
a
resolution
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
approving
application
number
22-80
requesting
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
for
a
hotel
within
the
existing
building
at
100
North
ring
Avenue
and
the
t4a
transect
zone
of
the
special
area
plan
providing
for
findings
providing
for
conditions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
T
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings,
in
fact,
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
comp
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
T
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
T
N
A
A
L
V
A
V
A
U
Property
contains
0.32
Acres
and,
as
of
a
few
moments
ago,
the
land
use
and
Zoning
was
completed
and
changed
to
the
special
area
plan
and
the
downtown
character
district
and
the
smart
code
t4a,
which
is
residential,
plus
retail
and
office.
So,
as
we
said,
the
proposed
use
of
the
property
is
a
hotel
with
eight
rooms.
This
would
be
operating
within
the
existing
historic
building.
That's
on
the
on
the
property
now
and
has
been
described
by
the
applicant.
U
You
know,
there'll
be
a
small
Lobby
and
reception
area
and
then
the
two,
the
single
family
home,
that's
on
the
property,
which
was
moved
there
in
around
2015
I
believe,
will
remain
as
a
single
family
home,
and
so
this
is
just
an
aerial,
low
aerial,
look
at
the
property
again,
this
thing,
the
two,
the
single
family
home
on
this
property,
and
then
this
is
the
old
Livery,
stable
and
hotel
building.
There
is
a
an
alley
that
that
actually
is
a
functioning
alley
actually
drove
through
it
today.
U
So,
a
little
bit
about
the
density
in
the
downtown
character.
District,
you
have
50
rooms
per
acre.
That's
that's!
Lodging
density,
not
residential
density,
so
accounting
for
the
the
entire
property,
the
maximum
you
could
have
on
the
property
would
be
14
rooms
as
proposed
is
eight.
The
hotel
operations
will
be
kind
of
managed,
somewhat
off-site,
but
very
close
by
adjacent
at
201
East,
Center
Street.
This
is
the
applicant's
property
as
well.
U
It
is
basically
reservations
are
made
online
check
in
and
check
out.
You
know
is
you
know,
probably
through
on
online
or
through
the
kiosk,
and
then
Service
Repairs
can
be
made
to
the
maintenance
team
at
201
through
that
kiosk
or
through
the
online
system
and
I'm
sure
the
applicant
can
do
a
better
job
of
explaining
his
operations
than
I
can
at
this
point,
this
is
a
conceptual
site
plan
that
we
received
early
on
again
this.
This
was
a
would
be
the
proposed
parking
area,
as
it's
currently
shown
again.
U
U
You
know
just
for
you
know,
edification.
You
know
this
hotel
use
itself
as
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
an
existing
structure
is
actually
exempt
from
providing
parking.
Obviously,
the
applicant
does
want
to
you
know
to
have,
except
you
know,
have
parking
available.
You
know
to
support
the
business,
but
under
the
smart
code,
section
4.6.2,
it
does
not
require
reuse
into
parking
additional
parking,
since
it
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
and
the
parking.
As
I
said,
this
will
go
through
site
plan
approval.
U
So
this
is
the
the
site.
Now,
as
I
said
now,
it
is
part
of
this
yellow
of
the
downtown
character
District.
U
So
this
is
a
conditional
use,
so
we
do
have
to
look
at
our
standard
review
criteria,
in
conformance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
There
really
are
no
identified
issues
with
that.
The
parking
is
above
and
beyond
what
is
actually
required
by
the
code.
They
do
have
to
obviously
meet
Florida
building
code
for
all
the
renovations
and
just
the
the
parking
lot
will
also
have
to
go
through
the
historic
preservation
board
and
get
it
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
through
them
as
well.
U
So
the
second
criteria
to
review
is:
is
the
proposed
use
appropriate
to
the
property
in
question
and
compatible
with
the
area
you
know
again,
this
is
a.
It
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
an
old
historic
structure
that,
frankly,
the
the
building
itself
is
kind
of
like
a
square
peg
and
a
round
hole.
You
know
under
that
previous
land
use
and
Zoning
of
just
basically
single
family
residential.
U
You
had
some
other
uses,
but
really
you
were
limited
with
the
zan,
with
the
land
use
and
Zoning
to
two
units
on
all
that
property,
so
the
hotel
itself
would
had
to
have
been
nothing
but
a
single
family
residence
prior
to
the
action
that
you
just
took
second
reading
on,
so
that
you
know
that
in
and
of
itself
is,
you
know,
is
a
little
bit
out
of
step
with
what
you
know,
the
fact
that
there's
actually
a
commercially
constructed
property
in
in
its
appearance
and
its
actual
construction
and
how
it's
been
used
historically.
U
So
we
do
think
that
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
this
is
consistent
with
the
mixed
use
area.
With
you
know,
within
within
the
area
there,
it
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
special
area
plan
regarding
impacts
to
historical
or
environmental
resources.
We
don't
really
see
any
there's,
no
issues
really
with
environmental
resources
on
the
on
this
property.
U
This
this,
the
site
itself,
is
notice,
noted
as
a
contributing
structure
in
our
historic
district,
and
so
it
will
have
to
comport
with
any
exterior
changes
would
have
to.
He
changes
the
doors
windows.
Anything
like
that
would
have
to
go
to
the
historic
preservation
board,
we're
not
there.
Yet.
U
The
parking
lot
itself
will,
as
I
said,
we'll
have
to
go
through
the
historic
preservation
board,
as
well
again
as
an
Adaptive
reuse
in
in
The
Limited
capacity
of
the
of
an
eight-room
hotel
and
given
the
noted
mixed
use
in
the
area,
we
do
not
think
that
this
will
adversely
affect
adjoining
property
values.
It
will
not
exceed
the
ability
of
the
city
to
provide
capacity
or
serve
it
with
public
facilities,
they're
already
present
to
the
site,
and
it
does
provide
for
orderly
Redevelopment
efficient,
orderly
Redevelopment
in
the
downtown.
U
The
staff
recommendation
of
approval
includes
four
conditions
of
approval.
The
first
would
be
that
the
conditional
use
shall
be
contingent
on
approval
of
ordinance,
2212,
the
future
land
use
Amendment
and
the
ordinance
22-11,
which
is
the
rezoning
regarding
that
particular
condition.
The
board
did
approve
those
tonight.
U
U
The
hotel
shall
be
limited
to
a
maximum
of
eight
rooms,
so
if
they
want
to
increase
that,
they'll
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
and
amend
the
conditional
use
the
site
plan,
and
that
would
be
for
the
site
work
for
the
for
the
parking
would
have
to
be
submitted
within
one
year
and
the
obvious
the
applicant
must
retain
any
necessary
building
permits
and
Heritage
preservation
board
approval
for
the
for
the
site,
modifications
we
did
have
one
written
response
in
of
an
objection,
and
it
is
that
is
in
the
record.
U
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
heard
this
on
August
22nd
and
they
did
vote
unanimously
to
recommend
approval
and
there
were
two
members
of
the
public
who
spoke
in
opposition
at
the
moot
at
that
meeting.
Their
concerns
included
the
dislike
of
a
parking
area,
a
parking
lot
on
site,
the
encroachment
of
commercial
into
the
residential
area
and
excessive
amounts
of
existing
lodging
in
the
area.
One
person
also
just
really
noted
that
there
was
a
lack
of
affordable
housing
in
the
area
and
discussed
some
of
the
homelessness
issues
and
things
of
that
nature.
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Vincent.
Let's
go
to
questions
vice
mayor
long.
O
Yeah
Renee
quick
question,
so
the
condition
is
the
only
allow
the
max
of
eight
units,
but
it's
allowed
up
to
14..
If.
U
You
if
you
apply
the
density
allowed,
you
know
under
the
smart
code,
you
would
have
a
little
bit
more
density
available
there,
just
as
for
for
lodging
only
yes
so
but
I
mean
that's
and
we've.
We
feel
that
it
is
appropriate.
You
know,
he's
that's,
what's
been
represented
by
the
applicant
as
eight
rooms,
that's
what
the
public
has
understood.
So
we
would
like
we
would
recommend
having
that
limit,
and
if
they
want
to
increase
that
in
the
future,
then
it
could
come
back
and
ask
for
it.
U
U
I
think
it's
appropriate
context
that
this
is
and
backing
up
to.
You
know
you
do
have
residential
in
the
area.
You
know
they've
demonstrated
a
plan
that
can
be,
you
know
sufficiently
parked,
even
though
they're
not
required
to
have
the
parking,
but
I
just
I
still
think
it's
appropriate.
You
know
that's
how
it's
been
publicly
held
out,
that
it
would
be
an
eight-room,
Hotel,
I,
I,
just
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
that
condition
in
place.
Okay,.
H
U
So
we
have
within
the
within
the
smart
code.
You
have
three
types
of
lodging
recognized.
You
have
Hotel,
you
have
an
inn,
and
then
you
have
transient
lodging,
which
is
like
your
Airbnb.
U
The
only
thing
that's
permitted
by
right
is
an
in,
but
by
definition
in
the
smart
code.
That
is
a
that's
still
a
owner
occupied
you
know
use,
whereas
the
hotel
does
not
have
to
be
owner
occupied.
So
the
only
way
to
have
it
classified
to
not
have
somebody
living
there
full
time
and
operating
it
as
an
in
would
be
to
go
through
the
conditional
use
process
of
a
hotel.
That
makes
sense.
Yes,.
U
Airbnb
would
not
have
to
be
operated
with
somebody
on
site.
It's.
It
still
requires
a
conditional
use
so
and
the
the
transient
lodging.
This
is
a
little
another
Nuance
that
folks
may
not
really
realize,
but
the
intent
of
the
transient
lodging
and
the
Airbnb
the
way
that's
regulated
in
our
in
our
code
is
it's
actually
a
residence.
It's
a
it's
a,
whereas
a
hotel
room
is
not
a
residence.
You
know
it
may
not
have
cooking
facilities
and
everything.
So
it's
it's
more.
It's
it's
lodging
versus
the
airbnbs
are
essentially
single
family.
U
You
know
their
their
homes
that
then
get
rented
out
in
their
entirety,
so
they
do
operate
a
little
bit
differently
right.
H
U
Okay,
actually
I
just
I'm
sorry,
the
density
for
the
Airbnb,
the
transient
lodging
would
be
limited
to
the
residential
density,
which,
on
that
entire
property
would
be
five
units,
including
the
house.
So
there
is
a
difference
with
the
Airbnb.
It
would
be
fewer
units.
I'm,
sorry
I,
want
to
make
sure
I
clarify.
J
A
U
A
Know
doing
a
little
research
with
a
sponge
stocks
Motel
there's
a
distinction
between
the
number
of
rooms,
25
or
less
does
something
else,
and
if
we,
if
there
is
a
an
outside
line
since
required
that
would
it
I
I
think
the
the
answer
is
yes,
that
would
be
appropriate
to
add
it
as
a
condition.
Is
that
correct?
Yes?
Okay,
all
right!
Thank.
L
A
Just
to
make
sure
yeah
I
agree,
I
mean
condition.
Yes,
yeah,
we'll
have
more
to
say
during
the
discussion.
Okay,
that
ends
the
commission
comments
on
this
Mr
kokolakis.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
Ms
Vincent?
W
Hello
again,
I
guess
just
to
clarify
some
points.
It's
my
understanding.
That's
all
that
happening.
All
that's
happening
here
tonight
is,
is
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
complete
a
set
of
construction
documents
that
I
would,
in
turn,
submit
to
the
Heritage
preservation
board,
for
approval
and
to
the
staff
to
ensure
that
it
meets
all
applicable
codes.
We're
not
enlarging
the
building
at
all,
we're
not
adding
on
to
the
building.
W
I
I
understand
you
know,
based
on
the
current
density,
where
we
would
be
permitted,
14,
hotel
rooms,
there's
only
eight,
because
only
eight
fit.
You
know
it's
not
you
know.
Eight
is
the
amount
that
you
require
wire,
at
least
feasibility,
to
make
it
a
viable
Hotel.
We
looked
initially
at
four
rooms.
Above
retail,
we
looked
at
four
rooms
above
a
cafe.
W
They
haven't
committed
yet
to
this,
but
they're
willing
to
look
at
it
and
we
have
an
existing
relationship.
You
know
so
that's
kind
of
the
the
overall
plan
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
why
we
kind
of
embarked
on
this
hotel
concept
as
far
as
a
site
plan.
Yes,
like
I,
said
earlier,
there
are
two
plans:
we're
going
to
look
at.
What's
the
most
efficient
this
one,
there
is
an
existing
curb
cut
on
orange.
W
I
Ahead
so
from
my
understanding,
this
proposed
hotel
is
not
going
to
be
attended,
correct,
you're,
going
to
use
a
kiosk
system
correct.
Will
people
be
able
to
book
this
system
online.
W
The
chart-
well,
yes,
they'll-
be
able
to
book
it
online.
There's
a
there'll
be
a
key
code
to
get
into
the
lobby
area
in
the
lobby
area.
There's
a
kiosk
where
you
get
access
to
your
particular
room.
I
W
I
W
W
No,
if
you
look
at
the
site,
it's
it's
pretty
tight,
there's
nothing!
There's
no
available
outdoor
area
on
either
side
of
the
building
north
south
West
and
on
the
east
side
is
the
parking
lot.
I
I
W
And
but
they
will,
but
we
need
an
emergency
egress
from
the
second
floor,
so
in
the
back
so
that
will
be
built
and
that
will
you
know
I
guess
you
know
and
there'll
be
stairs
there.
So
the
guests
on
the
second
floor
can
exit
the
building
yeah.
I
A
fire
escape
Circa
1937.,
oh
out
of
just
general
interest,
how
what's
the
size
of
these
rooms?
What
are
they
are
they
just
rooms?
Do
they
have
kitchenettes?
No.
W
Kitchenettes
no
kitchen,
no
cooking
facilities,
there
are
six
of
them
are
with
a
king-sized
bed
two
or
doubles.
Each
room
is
about
200
square
feet
about.
W
Well,
the
the
entire
bones
of
the
building
are
going
to
be
made
out
of
Cl
CLT
cross
laminated
timber.
That's
actually
going
to
be
fabricated
out
of
birch
in
Austria
and
shipped
over
and
kind
of
flown
in
pieces
and
assembled
on
the
inside
of
the
building
after
we
poured
the
New
Foundations,
that's
going
to
be
the
longest
lead
time
item
because
that
comes
in
containers,
so
a
company's
called
Bender
Halls,
the
the
other.
The
other
work
is
relatively
easy.
W
I
mean
again
it's
eight
rooms
with
an
open
Lobby
and
one
stair,
the
the
windows
and
things
like
that
I
mean
obviously
right
now
there
are
supply
chain
issues
with
anything
and
anyone
building
anything
but
I
I,
don't
expect
it
taking
longer
than
a
year.
The
design
process
and
the
approval
process
is
probably
going
to
take
longer
going
through
Heritage
and
everything
else,
and.
O
W
O
Do
you
feel
that
the
a
hotel
in
this
area
would
be
beneficial
to
the
local
businesses?
Yes,.
W
I
mean
I
think
there
there
isn't
a
I
again
32
years,
I've
had
my
office
here.
We
have,
you,
know
Architects
Engineers.
We
work
throughout
the
country
and
when
people
come
to
Tarpon
Springs
to
visit
my
office,
I
have
a
choice
to
put
them
on
US
19,
you
know
and
or
I
bring
them
to
Dunedin
and
frankly,
they
go
to
the
Holiday
Inn
Express
in
Downtown
Dunedin,
because
it's
a
they
can
walk
around
and
have
a
drink
and
have
something
to
eat,
as
opposed
to
being
on
us
19..
W
So
I
strongly
believe,
there's
a
demand,
but
something
that
complements
the
downtown
core,
something
that
fits
within
the
downtown
core.
And
you
know,
and
and
and
as
part
of
the
vibe,
that
we've
created
in
Tarpon
great.
Thank
you.
H
Eisner.
Thank
you.
Mayor
I
have
two
quick
questions.
Do
you
plan
on
putting
out
any
grills
in
the
back
or
anything
like
that?
No.
W
Nothing
good
comes
of
it.
Yeah.
H
W
W
There
is
a
feasibility
study
and
you
know
with
you
know,
and
they
anticipate
an
average
ADR
of
170
a
night,
so
it
won't
be
your
your
cheaper
stay
and
it'll
be
someone
that
wants
to
be
here
wants
to
be
in
a
in
a
sustainable
property.
Everything
from
the
mechanical
systems,
the
plumbing,
we're
researching.
You
know,
PV
panels
for
the
roof,
we're
doing
everything
about
this
project
is
going
to
be
unique
and
and
and
and-
and
hopefully
people
will
be
excited
enough
about
it
to
pay
for
it.
A
J
I,
like
the
site
plan,
though
especially
with
the
parking
I
understand
you
intent
to
just
improve
the
building
in
the
area
and
actually
bring
back
its
character,
especially
what
it
what
it's
been
in
the
past
and
the
kiosk
was
my
my
main
question
and
it's
you
know
I
know
we're
calling
it
a
hotel
with
the
semantics
of
wording,
but
it's
it
it
it's
a
better
stay
and
with
the
chaos
situation,
helps
promote.
J
Walkability
you're
gonna
have
to
go
to
that
office
over
there
and
you'll
get
to
see
the
other
areas
nearby
with
stumpies
and
whatnot.
So
it's
those
questions
were
answered
for
me.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
kokolakis,
I
I
know,
there's
there's
I.
Would
a
number
of
rooms
are
a
factor
as
far
as
the
types
of
licenses
you
get
from
the
state?
Do
you
need
any
kind
of
a
license
from
the
state
for
this
or
have
you
explored
that
or.
W
To
be
honest,
no
I
have
not
explored
it,
but
I've
got
no
problem.
You
know
adding
language
in
there
that
says:
I
must
comply
with
any
applicable
licensing
requirement.
Okay,.
A
I
don't
know
what
the
requirements
are.
I
know
they
break
it
down
between
hotels,
bed
and
breakfast,
which,
as
Ms
Vincent
said,
the
person
stays
there
and
so
forth.
So
I
don't
know
what
those
are,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
cover
that
as
well.
That
I'm
not
concerned
about
you,
but
if
something
happens
in
the
future
and
it
changes,
that's
all
the
questions.
I
have
now
Ms
Jackson
I
have
a
question
for
you.
A
Ms
Vincent
gets
an
opportunity
to
cross-examine
if
she
wishes
and
then
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
affected
party
to
cross-examine.
That's
what
you
meant
by
asking
questions.
Yes,.
R
L
S
I
I
I'd
like
to
get
sort
of
back
to
the
question
of
security,
so
you
have
a
kiosk
I
walk
in
the
door,
I
scan
my
driver's
license,
I
use
the
peacove
that
you
sent
me
on
your
phone,
Etc
or
or
whatever
and
I'm
in
my
room.
What
happens
after
that?
How
how
is
room
access
gated
from
that
point
on
so
Sam's
staying
there
for
for
three
days,
I
understand
the
initial
entry
and
is:
is
the?
Is
there
a
key
code
to
the
to
the
door?
Is
it
a?
Is
it
a
card?
W
The
front
door,
access
and
the
back
door
access
to
the
building
is
always
going
to
be
with
it
with
a
key
card
or
or
an
app
on
your
phone
to
unlock
the
the
electronic
hardware
and
then
on
the
inside.
You
will
the
same
app.
You
know
even
similar.
What
you
know
Hilton
has
now
you
walk
up
to
your
door.
You
have
your
app.
It
unlocks
your
door,
it's
Unique
to
that
individual.
You
know
you
can't
share
it.
You
have
to
be
on
that
phone
with
on
that
app.
Okay,.
I
I
understand
what
happens
if
there's
an
emergency
in
this
hotel
who,
who
do
they
contact
I
mean
they
can't
phone
the
kiosks?
So
what's
your
plans
along
this
respect?
Well,.
W
I
mean
it
at
this
point:
you
know
again:
our
property
management
company
has
24
hours
seven
day
a
week
for
our
existing
tenants,
commercial
tenants
and
our
residential
tenants.
So
those
will
be
the
primary
first
calls,
if
anything,
if
anything
happens
or
anyone
needs
anyone.
If
I
wind
up
Outsourcing
the
hotel
operations
to
any
third
party
like
Charlestown,
then
they'd
be
responsible
as
far
as
it.
Okay.
S
W
About
the
only
reason,
this
company
and
again,
the
Charleston
group,
is
that
they're
from
a
very
similar
environment
in
Charleston,
South,
Carolina
and
they've
managed
properties
as
small
as
11..
The
only
reason
they
would
consider
managing
a
neat
room
hotel
is
because
they'll
be
managing
a
79
room
hotel
in
Dunedin.
So
at
this
point
nothing
is
finalized.
There,
you
know
with
them.
So
at
you.
I
W
I
Example:
okay,
so
what
about?
What
about
other
Hotel
type,
Services
linen
changes
that
sort
of
thing
you're
going
to
have
staff
in
and
out
there
during
the
day
doing
these
kind
of
things?
Yes,
yes,.
I
Okay,
but
all
right,
that's
that's
all
the
questions.
I
have
I.
I
do
have
some
overall
security
concerns
for
kind
of
a
no
visibility,
key
lock
type
system.
But
that's
just
me.
A
V
U
So
the
numbers
are
referring
to
parking
spaces.
This
is
the
alley
itself.
This
is
a
would
be
a
tree
so
a
tree
well
here
with
a
tree.
So
just
you
know,
as
shown
here,
you
have
a
proposed
entrance
off
of
Orange
Street
and
then
you
would
have
potentially
an
entrance
off
of
the
alley
itself
into
the
parking
lot.
Did
that
answer
your
question.
V
U
You
know
this
is
this:
is
all
their
property.
You
know
this,
and
this
is
the
alley
that
separates
this
property
from
the
properties
over
here.
Let
me
there's
not
enough,
didn't
find
a
better
there.
You
go
so
your
alley
is
right
here
and
then
so.
They're
parking
that
they're
showing
is
in
this
area
here
and.
V
And
I
I
saw
something
that
he
was
saying
about
in
the
other
little
house
that
someone
was
going
to
live
there
and
manage
the
place
next
door.
Is
that
what
I
was
understanding
about?
What's
going
to
happen
to
the
other
house,
the
Little
House
single
residential
house,
I
thought
you
said
someone
was
going
to
be
living
there
and
maintaining
it.
Then
I
saw
something
on
Center,
Center,
Street,
Center,
Avenue
I,
don't
understand.
What's
what
the
cult
I'll.
W
As
I
said,
we're
still
kind
of
working
on
the
operations
part,
but
the
single-family
home
will
always
stay
a
single
family
home
in
a
I
I
do
Envision,
you
know
in
making
sense
and
I
do
that
we
have
a
long-term
tenant
there.
That
I
have
no
intention
of
evicting,
but
she
sort
of
is
in
the
hospitality
business.
So
I
was
planning
on
approaching
her
and
saying,
if
she'd
be
interested
in
in
somehow
another
getting
involved.
W
But
that's
you
know
again
a
detail
that
has
not
yet
been
worked
out.
If
I
can
get
Charleston
group
to
manage
it,
then
you
know
and
and
24
7
and
operate
it
then
that'll
just
remain
a
single
family
home
and
that's
pretty
much
the
response.
V
Who
is
going
to
maintain
that
alley
currently
I'm
assuming
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
does?
But
if
this
Alleyway
is
going
to
be
used
for
some
commercial
hotel,
is
it
going
to
be
paved
well?
Is
that
something
the
Historic
Society
would
have
to?
U
So
at
least
the
portion
of
the
alley
that
is
adjacent
to
this
property
will
have
to
be
upgraded
in
some
way
and
that'll
be
part
of
the
site
plan
review
process.
So
it
will,
it
will
be
improved
to
some
extent
what
that
will
be
required
when
it
goes
to
the
checked
overview
committee.
But
it
is
a
it's
a
city
alley.
It's
just
it.
You
know.
So
it's.
Ultimately
you
know
long
term.
It's
the
city's
alley
to
all
alleys,
Belong,
To,
The
City,
so.
L
A
Ma'am
you,
you
ask
questions
now
you
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
comment.
If
you'd
like
do
you
have
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make?
No
okay,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
X
Thank
you.
You
addressed
part
of
my
security
concerns.
I've
only
had
the
experience
at
one
air
and
b,
one
Airbnb
I
mean
you
call
it
a
boutique,
but
you've
got
eight
rooms,
which
are
basically
eight
air
and
beam
Mees,
Eight
airbnbs
in
One
location.
So
I
guess.
One
of
my
concerns
is
the
obviously
the
security
which
is
I
think
you're,
addressing
the
other
thing
is
in
the
parking
lot
in
the
back
as
I
know
how
that
affects
Bob
and
Nancy's.
X
How
is
this?
Is
this
going
to
be
lit
24
hours?
Is
it
going
to
be
having
lighting
all
over
the
parking
lot
and
those
sorts
of
things
it's
going
to
be
a
well-lit
area?
You
know,
that's
certainly
is
kind
of
invasive
to
the
houses
right
behind
it.
U
Property
has
to
be
directed
directed
downward
and,
having
said
that,
we
do
have
minimum
lighting
standards
for
parking
lots.
AA
U
X
So
the
operational
thing
hasn't
been
decided.
The
way
I
understand
so
as
far
as
the
certainly
the
security
is
a
concern
of
mine
just
having
people
coming
and
going
and
I
it
sounds
to
me,
you
want
a
quality,
hotel
or
a
quality
establishment,
and
so
people
can
do
short-term
stays,
but
that's
a
tough
one
to
control.
X
If
you
have
nobody
on
site
when
you
have
eight
into
a
room,
so
that
is
one
of
my
concerns
and
then,
of
course,
making
that
parking
lot
in
the
back
area
as
far
as
it
I
don't
want
to
see
it
turned
into
a
thoroughfare.
You
know
if
it's
going
to
be
preserved
to
Nancy
and
Bob's.
You
know
brick
and
all
that
all
that
good
stuff
needs
to
happen
in
my
mind.
So
anyway,
that
was
that
was
it
security
basically
in
the
alley,
and
things
of
that
nature
are,
are
my
concerns.
So.
A
X
A
T
W
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
everything's,
a
balance,
you
don't
want
an
80
room,
Hotel
downtown,
but
you
want
full-time
staff
and
you
can't
have
a
full-time
staff
on
on
anything
less.
You
know,
there's
a
reasonable
rooms
to
offset
the
cost
of
having
someone.
24,
7.
W
you're,
worried
about
security,
but
you
don't
want
a
parking
lot,
that's
lit
where
it
would
be
a
nuisance.
You
know,
but
we
all
know
that
a
lip
parking
lot
is
much
safer
than
a
dark
parking
lot.
So
I
recognize
everything
and,
like
I,
said,
I've
been
here
and
been
part
of
this
community
for
a
very
long
time.
W
The
parking
lot
won't
look
like
a
Publix
parking
lot,
but
it
will
be
safe
access
to
the
rooms
and
the
building
will
be
safe,
but
you
know
it's
similar
to
an
Airbnb
where
someone
kind
of
comes
with
a
code
and
goes
in
I
get
it.
There
is
exposure
there
and
we're
going
to
do
the
best
to
ensure
that
our
guests
are
safe
and
that
you
know
all
eight
guests
are
safe.
That
are
there
at
that
same
time.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
go
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
we're
going
to
go
to
commission
comments.
Vice
mayor,
Lunt,.
O
Yeah
a
couple
comments-
this
is
I
would
say:
dream
come
true
to
many
business
owners
in
downtown
Tarpon
Springs
to
many
residents
and
throughout
Tarpon.
Springs
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
applicant
for
bringing
this
forward
one
preserving
this
building
to
providing
a
place
for
a
quality
place
for
people
to
stay,
to
come
visit
in
the
downtown
district
and
also
preserve
the
historic
feeling
of
to
the
to
the
district
itself.
O
Having
16
visitors.
Let's
say
it's
full
occupancy
at
two
people
per
room:
that's
a
significant
amount
of
visitors
to
restaurants
and
ice
cream
shops
and
bars
in
downtown
to
help
the
the
vibrancy
of
downtown
enhances
the
downtown
area
as
well
too.
I'm
super
super
excited
about
this
opportunity
here
and
I
again,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
and
the
effort
to
put
behind
this
project.
I
know
you
work
in
a
lot
of
large
projects
that
are
much
a
much
higher
scale
than
this,
and
it
speaks
volumes
and
I.
H
J
A
I'm
for
the
project
and
as
the
smart
code
4.6.2
just
the
rebuilding
and
the
restoring
of
that
building
doesn't
require
additional
parking.
The
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
they
will
provide
enough
adequate
parking
for
the
area
and
our
city
I
believe,
is
working
on
adding
additional
parking
off
of
Orange
Street
with
some
Street
designs
in
the
future
and
and
I
hear
some
of
the
applicant
or
some
of
the
residents
concerns
I.
No
one
wants
to
protect
single-family
home
zoning
more
than
I
do.
J
But
this
is
a
this
is
a
building
that
has
the
potential
to
provide.
You
know
bring
guests
to
the
area.
It
could
very
well
be
a
you
know.
Five
unit
building-
and
let's
say
it
was
you
know,
changed
into
a
mixed
use
with
retail
at
the
bottom.
You'd
have
a
lot
more
traffic
than
what
the
applicant's
requesting
right
now
so
I
think
it's
a
good
fit,
and
that
area
you
won't
be
venturing
too
much
off
from.
You
know,
intruding
to
your
single
family,
home
zoning.
J
A
A
You
everybody:
okay,
we're
going
to
go
on
to
item
17.,
ordinance,
2022-30,
amending
the
charter,
allowing
boc
to
direct
certain
powers
to
the
planning
zoning
Commission
distraction.
If
I
could
ask
you
to
read
that
ordinance
by
title.
T
The
second
reading
of
this
ordinance
will
be
held
on
December
6
2022
and
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title.
Only
on
November
23
2022.,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
a
proposed
amendment
to
section
12
of
Article
2
of
the
city
Charter,
to
allow
the
Board
of
Commissioners
by
a
super
majority
vote
to
direct
certain
powers
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
providing
for
codification
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hereof.
L
U
After
our
previous
review
of
this,
which
had
if
you
recall,
we
worked
working
toward
a
more
much
more
specific
Charter
amendment
that
would
allow
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
to
approve
site
plans
and
conditional
uses
on
properties
up
to
one
acre
after
discussion.
We
in
order
to
get
this
right
and
not
seal
something
in
the
charter
that
could
become
very
potential
to
or
very
difficult
later
on,
once
something's
in
the
charter
to
remove
it.
U
What
we're
suggesting
is
that
we
clarify
the
language
in
the
charter
that
would
allow
that
specifically,
would
allow
the
Board
of
Commissioners
by
a
super
super
majority
vote
to
assign
additional
duties
or
to
the
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
and
then
that
that
the
mechanism
for
that
would
actually
be
to
amend
the
Land
Development
code
and
lay
those
things
out
specifically
in
the
code
as
to
what
those
additional
duties
would
be.
U
Obviously
we
wanted
to
go
super
majority,
we're
recommending
that,
because
it,
you
know,
provides
a
little
more
stability.
Obviously
this
would
become
board
specific.
You
know
it
could
change
from
board
to
board
through
years,
but
that's
why
that's?
U
Why
we're
recommending
the
super
majority
vote
so
this
gives
us
time,
and
it
also
allows
us
to
determine
you
know
through
the
through
the
referendum
process,
if
that
is
something
that
the
public
even
wants
to
consider,
so
that's
that's
where
we
what
we're
presenting-
and
you
know,
hopefully
we're
well
that
doesn't
work
we'll
take
another
swing
at
this
based
on
board
comments.
Tonight,.
G
Okay,
mayor
just
for
a
second,
what
we
attempted
to
do
with
this
is
to
try
to
come
to
this
point.
If
there
are
substantial
changes,
something
else,
we
still
have
the
opportunity
to
do
another
first
reading
next
meeting,
if
there's
a
substantial
change,
if
this
isn't
what
you
were
trying
to
get
the
point
from
listening
to
you
last
time
where
you
want
to
be,
if
this
is
not
it,
but
you
come
to
consensus
of
a
little
bit
different
way.
G
We've
still
had
the
opportunity
to
do
a
sep,
but
first
reading
in
a
week
at
the
next
meeting
and
then
still
have
the
second
reading
on
December
and
have
the
ballot
language
the
next
it'll
all
still
flow
in.
So
so,
if
you're
not
comfortable
or
want
another
way
to
go,
we
kind
of
that's
why
we
made
sure
it
was
brought
forward.
Now
that
again,
it'd
have
to
be
a
substantial
change
where
we'd
have
to
do
that.
But
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
adjust
this
depending
on
what
the
board
says.
G
A
A
Oh
yes,
I'm
sorry,
Mr,
Seaman,
Merle
Seaman
is
here
this
evening
he's
the
chairman
of
our
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
and
I'd
asked
him
if
he
could
come
and
give
us
the
planning
zoning
commission's
view
of
what
this
request
is.
AC
Merle
Seaman
1161
Marina
Drive,
thanks
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
be
here
tonight
to
comment
on
the
proposed
change
in
the
charter,
pnz
board
sort
of
initiated.
This
proposed
change
in
a
workshop
that
we
held
several
months
ago
when
we
requested
for
staff
to
take
a
look
at
at
this
situation.
There
were
several
reasons
we
felt
like.
Such
a
change
would
be
appropriate.
AC
First
and
foremost,
we
thought
having
the
ability
for
pnz
to
have
final
Authority
on
simple
items
like
some
site
plan
reviews
and
some
conditional
use
applications
would
streamline
a
sometimes
lengthy
and
complicated
process
and
help
residents
get
some
relatively
simple
approvals.
In
a
shorter
time,
often,
this
could
cut
as
much
as
a
month
or
so
off
of
their
approval
process.
AC
It
still
took
15
or
20
minutes
of
your
time
in
in
your
agenda
review
and
and
that's
time,
you
could
better
use
for
some
of
the
the
larger
issues
that
you're
fighting
I'm
sure
you
all
already
noticed
that
the
proposed
ordinance
at
this
point-
actually
all
it
does,
is
allow
you
to
consider
a
future
ordinance
or
ordinances
that
would
allow
you
the
option
of
assigning
final
approval
authority
to
pnz
for
certain
types
of
items
which
would
be
allowed
by
state
law
before
this
ordinance
can
be
approved.
AC
AC
The
currently
proposed
ordinance,
actually
I,
don't
know
I'm
repeating
myself
here.
Okay,
I
realize
some
boc
members
have
concerns
about
how
to
limit
the
delegation
of
authority
so
that
it
does
not
change
the
process
for
larger
or
more
complicated
projects
and
that
certainly
a
valid
concern.
I
think.
Ultimately,
when
we
reach
that
point,
we
can
come
up
with
ways
to
achieve
a
workable
solution
to
this
potential
problem.
I
could
see
where
it
might
involve
both
an
acreage
and
a
dollar
value
threshold,
or
something
like
that
to
ensure
that
the
project
is
both
small
and
simple.
AC
Another
approach
that
we
have
talked
about
it
would
be
to
Simply
put
the
small
and
simple
items
or
handle
them
in
a
way
such
that
they
could
be
put
on
your
consent
agenda
so
that
any
boc
member
could
pull
the
item
if
they
had
problems
or
questions
about
it,
but
it
would
still
expedite
processing
if
nobody
had
problems
or
questions
and
and
such
an
approach
also
would
help
with
the
concern
that
was
expressed
when
we
talked
about
this.
AC
Before
about
the
potential
changes
in
the
makeup
of
the
board
and
and
of
of
p
and
z,
and
how
that
might
affect
decisions
in
the
future.
Anyway,
there's
a
lot
to
consider
here
in
today's
action
is
just
the
first
step
in
a
lengthy
process
involving
a
lot
of
discussion
and
requiring
further
action
from
you
before
anything.
Would
actually
change.
AC
I,
encourage
you
to
support
the
item
and
allow
the
opportunity
for
consideration
by
citizens
in
a
referendum,
as
well
as
the
opportunity
for
your
further
consideration
of
how
to
make
this
idea
work
and
improve
the
process
for
small,
simple
projects
to
better
and
more
quickly
serve
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs.
If
it's
appropriate
and
anybody
has
questions,
I'll
try
to
answer
them.
AC
A
I
It
seems
to
me
that
every
other
board
that
we
have
that
has
Authority
at
all
actually
got
their
Authority
through
a
referendum
process
and
what
we're
doing
here
seems
to
be
usurping
that
referendum
process
and
and
giving
the
board
additional
powers
to
A
Sign
Authority
that
it
doesn't
have
currently
that's
kind
of
my
only
thought
stream
on
this
I
I
understand
and
agree
with
Merle
on
you
know
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
of
what
we're
doing
with
with
moving
permits
and
planning
and
zoning
stuff
through.
I
I
A
Need
to
tread
carefully
yeah,
that's
a
good
good
observation.
Let
me
commissioner,
Carr.
O
Thanks
mayor
when's,
the
next
Charter
Mark
when's,
the
next
Charter
Review
Committee.
A
There's
no
set
requirement,
it's
got
to
be
at
least
every
five
years
we
could
have
one
next
year.
You
could
have
one
the
next
one
would
be
say:
I
was
on
one,
it
would
be
in
the
five
years.
It
would
have
to
be
at
least
2024..
That.
A
O
Okay
got
it.
Renee
I've
got
a
quick
question
for
you,
where
it
says
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
to
you
have
advised,
has
struck
out
and
then
perform
such
duties
as
directed
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
U
Z
U
O
Okay,
I
mean
I
like
this
language,
better
than
what
it
was
before
and
how
I
appreciate
the
effort
on
that
I
think
there's
a
lot
behind
this.
We
we
had
a
a
committee,
a
charter,
Review
Committee,
go
through
these
a
couple
years
ago
and
I
do
think
it
would
be
valid
and
then
a
good
time
or
a
good
thing
for
the
next
Charter
Review
Committee
to
review
this
one
as
well
too.
O
H
U
I
considering
I
I
suppose
it
could
I
mean
I.
Don't
know
that
you
know
if
this
got
adopted,
it's
just
laying
the
the
framework
to
be
able
to
then
change
our
Land
Development
code
to
do
whatever
right.
Yes,
you
could
put
something
in
place
and
if
you
didn't
like
it,
you
could
repeal
the
ordinance
or
change
it
again,
but
I
don't
think
that's
exactly
what
you're
asking
I'm
not
you
know.
H
I'm
not,
but
you
know
in
our
discussion
we've
had
that
discussion
of
which
properties
would
fall
under
their
jurisdiction
versus
what
we
should
be
dealing
with
and
when
you
have
that,
there's
going
to
be
what
falls
through
the
cracks
sure
so
rather
than
pushing
this
through
and
getting
it
through
a
referendum,
and
then
we
have
the
issue
of
undoing
it.
Why
not
have
that
trial
time
to
investigate
it,
because
it's
something
we
haven't
done?
U
Should
you
so
choose
by
ordinance,
it
doesn't
put
anything
in
place
other
than
the
ability
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
in
the
future,
to
amend
our
existing
Land
Development
codes
and
processes
to
allow
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
some
additional
duties
or
authority.
So
until
that
takes
place,
nothing
really
changes.
Does
that.
H
G
Me
more
probably
doing
two
different
things.
You
can't
put
this
in
place
without
that
Charter
that
you
can't
put
a
trial
in
without
the
exactly
what
the
charter
vote
would
give.
You
is
the
ability
to
do
that.
Do
a
change
to
Land
Development
code
and
put
a
timeline
on
and
change
it
in
four
months
if
it
doesn't
work,
but
you
can't
do
anything
until
the
charter
changes,
okay,
understood.
H
J
No
I
appreciate
everyone.
Everyone's
comments,
Renee
I've,
been
able
to
just
read
it
and
I'm
willing
to
to
go
through
with
this
to
see
what
type
of
changes
we
can
and
can't
do,
but
I'm
very
hesitant
to
allow
too
much
power
with
certain
properties,
and
you
know
we're
only
going
to
be
here
for
so
long
so
willing
to
see
where
we
can
go
with
it,
but
I
am
hesitant
on
some
some
decisions
on
how
much
Authority
there
is.
So
thank
you.
Yeah.
A
I
had
a
conversation
with
a
city
manager
today
and
also
had
a
conversation
with
Mr
Seaman
as
well.
You
know
these
Charter
amendments.
We
shouldn't
be
moving
forward
with
them
as
a
commission,
unless
we
completely
understand
what
we're
doing
with
them.
N
A
I'm
just
kind
of
getting
a
sense
right
now
that
we're
kind
of
trying
to
make
it
work,
but
we're
not
really
sure
how
it's
going
to
work
and
because
of
that,
and
and
there's
absolutely
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
that
a
charter
revision
commission
would
do
a
much
better
job
at
fleshing
this
out.
He
they
would
actually
have
a
conversation
with
each
commissioner.
A
The
city
manager
yourself,
the
Mr
Seaman,
is
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
chairman
and
probably
put
together,
construct
a
referendum
question
and
and
actually
decide
how
to
approach
this
in
a
very
meaningful
way
and
have
answers
for
this
commission
when
they
come
and
present
well.
This
is
the
question
we
would
like
to.
A
We
recommend
to
you
that
we
ask
the
residents,
and
this
commission
would
be
able
to
ask
questions-
probably
would
have
the
answers
before
that,
because
they
would
be
able
to
communicate
with
a
charter
revision
commission
to
get
those
answers
ahead
of
time.
So
what,
rather
than
taking
a
vote
on
it
tonight,
I
mean
unless
the
commission
wishes
to
take
a
vote.
A
A
Yeah
I,
don't
have
any
issue
with
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we
present
to
the
residents
we're
giving
them
something
that
we're
comfortable
with
and
I
just
don't
see
as
comfortable
I.
The
conversation
I
had
with
the
city
manager
and
and
and
and
don't
get
me
wrong
I.
This
is
the
best
that
you
can
come
up
with.
We
don't
have
the
benefit
of
a
City
attorney
that
we
could
sit
down
and-
and
each
of
us
talk
over
right
now.
A
So
that's
part
of
the
issue,
but
we
certainly
you
know
I
I,
don't
want
to
go
ahead
and
and
turn
this
down
I
mean
I.
You
don't
vote
on
it
and
say
no
because,
quite
frankly,
I
I
think
that
wouldn't
be
fair
to
the
pnz
board.
I
know
what
they're
getting
at
I
completely
agree
with
them.
A
It's
the
implementation
of
it
that
that
I'm
concerned
with
that's
all,
and
if
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
table
it,
then
we
would
need
a
motion
to
that
effect
with
a
second
and
and
then
we
don't
need
to
add
a
date
to
it
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
at
the
proper
time
city
manager
could
remind
us
to
bring
it
back
to
the
back
to
the
commission
and
and
direct
that
it
be
heard
by
the
by
this
Charter
revision
commission.
O
A
AB
A
A
Yes,
okay,
thank
you,
everybody!
Thank
you!
Ms
Vincent.
The
next
item
is
probably
equally
as
challenging
Ordnance
2022-31
amending
the
charter,
strategic
plan,
implementation,
Ms
Jackson.
If,
if
we
can
have
that
read
by
title,
yes,.
T
Ordinance
number
2022-31.
The
second
reading
will
be
on
December
6
2022
and
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title.
Only
on
November
23
2022.,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
proposed
amendment
to
Section
8
of
Article
2
of
the
city
Charter,
to
provide
for
a
public
hearing
no
later
than
June
30th
of
each
budget
cycle
for
Budget
priorities
to
provide
for
the
implementation
of
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city
to
be
updated.
T
A
U
The
only
change
that
you
had
this
ordinance
in
draft
form
at
a
prior
meeting,
the
only
change
that
is
in
this
ordinance
is
on
the
sub
paragraph
I.
Regarding
the
Strategic
plan,
we
did
we
added
the
word
Citywide
to
so
that
was
part
of
the
board's
Direction.
So
this
is
pretty
much
largely
as
it
was
previously
presented
with
that
one
change.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
public
comments.
C
David
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
Georgia
Avenue
Palm
Harbor.
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
not
really
quite
sure
what
this
ordinance
presents
in
relation
to
the
to
the
city.
Charter,
but
I
do
know
that
I
have
complications
with
the
Pinellas
County
Home
Rule
Charter,
and
that
then
section
again
2.04
Q,
where
there's
a
a
transfer
of
function
and
County
power.
It
would
be
more
of
an
internal
transfer
based
on
chapter
163
of
the
statutes,
it
doesn't
say,
doesn't
say
you
know,
circumstantially
to
Grant
power.
C
It
says
a
transfer
and
I
feel
as
though
these
these
terms
in
in
chapter
153
of
the
Florida
State
statutes
that
says
supplemental
powers
or
additional
powers.
C
I,
so
I'm
I'm,
still
kind
of
digging
through
the
weeds
of
of
you
know
how
my
thought
process
needs
to
go
on
on
where
I'm
thinking,
but
a
total
transfer
of
function
and
power
and
certain
simple
circumstances
would
be
a
user
patient
as
as
referenced
and
I
I
would
recommend
all
possibility
to
build
real.
Certain
things
back
in
should
need
be
if
I
made
any
sense
on
any
of
that.
But
thank
you
for.
A
Letting
thank
you
Mr,
Geddes,
I
I
know
you've
been
at
it
a
very
long
time
on
this
and
you're,
probably
I,
know
you're
catching
me
cold,
Ms
Vincent.
Do
you
have
anything
to
offer
on
that
or
I.
U
Think
with
this
particular
Amendment,
just
for
the
record
and
anybody
else
that,
because
I
kind
of
jumped
kind
of
past
it,
so
what
this
particular
Amendment
does
is
that
it
adds
a
requirement
in
the
charter
that
we
conduct
public
hearing
at
the
beginning
of
each
budget
cycle
no
later
than
June
30th
to
obtain
public
input
on
the
Budget
prior
to
it
actually
being
developed
and
then
the
second
edition-
and
these
are
things
that
are
being
added
to
the
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
responsibilities.
U
You
know,
then,
obviously
through
the
city
manager
and
how
things
are
administered.
The
the
second
thing
that's
being
added
is
to
implement
a
city-wide
strategic
plan
for
the
city.
The
Strategic
plan
shall
be
utilized
for
budgeting
in
a
capital
project,
planning
decisions
and
shall
be
updated
every
three
fiscal
years,
beginning
October,
1st
2025.
So
that's
the
extent
of
this
particular
set
of
amendments.
A
Yeah
I
think,
if
anything,
it
actually
gives
the
residents
a
little
more
authority
to
chart
their
Direction
than
the
commission
and
I
think
that's
what
it
boils
down
to
what
this
is
a
first
reading
and
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
contact
Ms,
Vinson's
office
and
and
maybe
get
a
little
more
clarification
concerning
your
interest
and
how
those
mesh
with
what
we're
proposing
this
evening,
rather
than
trying
to
trying
to
understand
it
because
I
know
you,
you
have
it's
a
very
complicated
matter
that
you
describe
and
I
very
much
appreciate
you
keeping
an
eye
on
everything
in
that
regard,
but
I
I,
honestly,
am
not
prepared
to,
and
and
thus
speaking
for
myself
not
be
able
to
to
address
that
tonight
to
your
satisfaction
is
to
get
us
so,
okay
is
there
any?
A
A
I
This
is
exactly
what
we
discussed:
it's
straightforward.
It
puts
more
power
in
the
people.
It
means
us
going
through
a
regular
strategic
plan.
It
means
getting
the
public
involved
in
our
budget
early
on
in
the
game
rather
than
after
we've
kind
of
already
decided,
where
the
money's
going
to
be
spent.
So
I'm
150.
Behind
this
look
forward
to
seeing
the
Charter
verbiage
in.
O
Thanks
mayor,
so
there's
a
there's,
multiple
things
that
the
board
can
do
here
is
there
one's
a
resolution
which
is
a
one
reading
and
then
it
becomes
law.
Basically,
second
is
ordinance
and
City
attorney
could
could
correct.
Me
second
is
an
ordinance
two
readings
and
it
becomes
law.
Third,
one
is
putting
the
charter.
Then
it's
really
difficult
to
change.
O
So
to
start
with,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
to
put
a
resolution
in
place
just
to
have
something
in
place
from
our
standpoint
from
a
board
I'm
in
full
support
of
both
of
these
items.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
a
resolution
and
then,
as
a
board
ourselves,
we
feel
its
best
and
then
I'm
agree
I'm
in
agreement
to
send
it
to
the
residents.
H
Well,
we
spoke
about
this,
so
I
am
in
favor
of
either
way
that
we
do.
This
I
definitely
ran
on
transparency
and
I'd
like
to
have
the
input
from
residents
as
far
as
how
we
spend
the
money
and
at
least
listen
to
what
they
want,
rather
than
telling
them
the
way
we
decided
and
then
catching
hell
afterwards,
so
I
don't
care
which
way
we
do
it
as
long
as
we
do
it.
A
That's
fine
yeah
I
mean
the
more
the
better.
In
this
regard,
commissioner
I'm.
J
In
full
support
you
know,
I
definitely
want
the
public
to
be
involved
through
it
all
night.
You
know
just
looking
back
at
the
last
couple
years,
I've
seen
that
the
the
first
and
second
public
meetings
on
on
the
budget
are
pretty
much
the
shortest
meetings
we
have
all
year.
You
know
so
it's
good
to
get
the
residents
involved
early,
get
their
input
and
try
to
do
everything
to
the
best
of
their
wishes.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
sitting
manager.
Of
course,
I
I
sent
you
an
email
about
some
proposed
language.
Did
you
see
that
that
for
tonight,
for
this
particular
ordinance,
don't
think
so?
Okay,
let
me
explain
it's.
N
L
A
And
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
Ms
Vincent,
you
would
have
passed
it
on
to
her,
but
the
the
the
the
again
Ms
Vincent
I,
very
much
appreciate
the
work
on
the
staff
and
again
we
we
don't
have
the
benefit
of
a
certain
City
attorney
that
would
be
involved
in
this
matter.
We
have
a
charter
provision
that
does
the
exact
same
thing
for
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
reason
why
that
was
put
on
there
was
because
it
wasn't
being
updated
regularly.
A
I
think
the
idea
behind
the
Strategic
plan
was
very
similar
to
at
least
the
idea
of
of
placing
it
in
the
charter
is
very
similar
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
also
synchronizing
it
with
the
update
cycle
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
would
be
every
three
years
now
what's
proposed
is
2025.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
sir?
That's
what
is
being
proposed?
We
started
on
the
comprehensive
plan
in
2020.,
and
so,
and
that
was
the
also
the
date
that
the
comp
plan
was
supposed
to
be
updated
and
we're
still
working
on.
A
What
what
I
would
I
gave
I
thought
I
said,
maybe
like
you
didn't
get
in
there,
but
basically
what
I
did
was
I
took
your
language
that
was
in
that
you
were
proposing,
took
the
comprehensive
plan
language
and
basically
did
almost
a
duplicate
for
the
Strategic
plan
and
synced
it
up,
so
that
the
comp,
the
Strategic
plan
would
be
updated,
2023,
which
would
be
obviously
next
year,
but
that
would
sync
it
up
with
a
comp
plan
as
well.
So
is
that
correct.
U
L
U
Think
we're
a
little
bit
behind
that
frankly
right
and
then
this
one
I
it
was
written
as
every
three
fiscal
years,
beginning
October,
2025,
so
I
think.
Are
you
trying
to
marry
them
up
so
that
they're
occurring
at
the
same
time
or
the
street
one
before
the
other
I
I
understand
I'm,
trying
to
understand
where
you're.
A
L
A
A
If
there
is
some
Amendment
to
the
language
for
the
second
reading,
this
was
the
same
deal.
Is
that
right?
We
could
have
another.
A
Change
it
I
think
that
answers
the
question.
Maybe
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
it.
Basically
it
does
the
exact
same
thing
that
is
in
the
language,
but
it
actually
it
it's.
It
just
parallels
what
we've
got
on
the
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
it
doesn't
like
it's
different.
That
was
the
intent
that
the
two
plans,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
read
the
comp
plan,
it
says
all
master
plans
need
to
update,
be
updated
every
three
years
too,
and
that's
you
know,
they're
very
hardcore
to
have
these
plans.
G
U
This
this
hasn't,
it
actually
has
not
been
advertised
yet
far
because
it
gets
advertised
prior
to
Second
reading.
So
the
title
it
doesn't
affect
the
ordinance
title
it
just
the
only
thing.
That's
in
the
ordinance
title
is,
it
does
say
every
three
years.
Yeah
is
I.
Think
what
the
mayor's
homing
in
on,
though,
is
when,
when
does
that
three-year
cycle
begin
I
think
you're
just
trying
to
marry
it
up
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
I
don't
see,
there's
a
substantive
changes
to
what
we're
trying
to
do.
O
That's
a
question
mayor
to
this
yeah
go
ahead,
Renee,
so
I'm
assuming
it's
your
stats!
It's
going
to
be
lifting
this
right,
so
it
remains.
O
I'm
not
gonna,
be
on
the
board.
Marks
doesn't
seem
like
he's
gonna,
be
on
the
board
either,
so
if,
if
both
of
them
are
required
to
be
updated
at
the
same
time,
is
it
a
difficult
thing
for
staff
to
do
at
the
same
time,
or
is
it
kind
of
better
to
have
them
offset
a
little
bit
to
give
time
to
be
able
to
update
both
of
them
would
be
my
question.
U
My
department,
I
I,
would
honestly
prefer
that
they
not
be
going
trying
to
go
lock
step
but
I
mean
we'll
find
a
way
to
get
it
done
regardless.
You
know,
I
I
feel
like
the
Strategic
plan
is
something
that
will
probably
continue
to.
You
know
utilize
some
services
to
help.
You
know,
do
a
quick
update,
you
know
and
do
the
community
input
and
things
that
are
necessary
to
to
you
know
to
update
the
plan.
So
it's
you
know.
It
just
says
that
they're
they're
on
the
same
cycle.
U
U
A
A
But
no
that's
okay,
I
mean
that's,
not
mine.
You
know
it's
gonna,
make
sense,
no
I,
no
I!
Don't
to
me
that's
a
a
you
know.
I
I
think
the
two
have
to
be
integrated.
The
way
right,
we're
doing
it,
but
that
would
be
something
that
obviously
is
going
to
be
the
city
managers
objective
and
and
but
we
can
talk
about
that
further
or
you
know,
with
the
staff
and
things
between
now
and
the
time
it
gets
implemented.
A
N
A
Review
and
update
every
three
fiscal
years,
beginning
in
October,
1
2020
all
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
in
addition
to
all
implementation,
Master
plans
in
existence
currently
are
in
the
future.
That's
what
item
H
reads
and,
and
then
the
original
language
in
the
backup
this
evening,
it's
to
implement
a
city-wide
strategic
plan.
A
The
Strategic
plan
shall
be
utilized
for
budgeting
and
capital
project
planning
decisions,
okay
and
what
I
did
was
I
picked
up
on
the
comp
plan
and
and
basically
the
Strategic
plan
is
a
little
broader
than
just
the
budgeting
and
capital
project
planning.
A
It's
to
review
and
update
every
three
fiscal
years,
just
like
the
comp
plan
says
to
review
and
update
every
three
fiscal
years,
beginning
October
1st.
Whatever
date,
we
decide
a
city-wide
strategic
plan,
the
Strategic
plan
shall
be
implemented
and
utilized
for
creating
City
policy
consistent
with
its
mission
statement,
core
values
and
vision,
statement
that
includes
budgeting
and
capital
project
planning
decisions,
and
so
basically,
the
whole
idea
of
this
strategic
plan
was
not
just
for
budgeting
Capital
project,
but
also
to
whatever
we
do.
A
It
should
be
consistent
with
those
ideals
that
we
had
agreed
to
and
approved.
That's
all,
and
so
it
makes
a
little
more
specific,
but
we
would
bring
that
at
least
I
would
ask
that
we
would
bring
that
back.
We
could
run
the
two
parallel
and
y'all
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
make
a
decision
on
that.
Go.
O
Ahead,
I've
got
it
one
more
comment:
I
mean
you.
You
bring
a
great
point,
though,
mayor
in
this
to
review
and
update
every
three
years
and
instead
of
to
implement
a
city-wide
strategic
plan,
because
we
had
a
city-wide
strategic
plan
that
just
needs
to
be
updated,
so
there's
no
reason
to
implement
a
new
strategic
plan.
O
A
L
C
A
You're
lucky:
let's
bring
it
back
next
week
and
and
we
can
figure
out
who's
ever
in
Ms
Jackson's
seat
next
week.
Maybe
they
can
look
at
it
ahead
of
time.
So
so,
let's,
let's
that's
the
questions.
I
have
vice
mayor.
Long
I
mean
comments.
I
have
vice
mayor
a
lot.
You
have.
You
have
the
light
on.
I
I,
you
know
I
think
we
just
need
to
amend
the
effective
date
of
the
Strategic
figure
of
the
Strategic
plan.
Within
this
it
doesn't
seem
to.
It
didn't
seem
to
me
that
we
want
to
be
doing
the
comp
plan.
The
Strategic
plan
simultaneously,
we've
been
through
that
it's
no
fun,
it's
no
fun
for
staff,
it's
no
fun
for
our
Consultants,
it's
no
fun
for
anybody,
so
we
should
my
thought
is
we
should
offset
them.
U
Whatever
that
works
out
to
be
that's
right
and
that's
kind
of
how
it's
the
date
works
out
now,
you
know
it
said
October
20th
at
20
for
the
comp
plan
every
three
years
so
2023
would
be.
You
know
it's
on
a
three-year
cycle.
Well,
we're
gonna
I'll
be
adopting
a
brand
new
plan
in
2023.
So
then
another
three
years
for
the
comp
plan.
We
have
this
as
2025,
so
they're
they
are.
They
would
be
staggered
about
a
year.
The
way,
the
way
the
dates
are
written
right
now.
Okay,.
H
A
G
A
A
I
AC
A
A
G
Is
one
of
the
ones
that
is
as
not
quite
completed
with
the
previous
City
attorney
and,
and
there
is
no
time
then
it
got
deferred
by
agenda
and
the
hurricane
that
stopped
the
last
September
meeting
when
these
people
wanted
an
answer.
G
So
between
that
time
there
wasn't
anything
done
me
and
my
being
Frugal
I
really
didn't
want
to
sign
one
of
the
temporary
attorneys
and
incur
the
cost,
because
in
looking
at
this-
and
you
know
being
on
here
and
listening
to
the
direction
of
the
board
in
past
meetings,
I
didn't
think
that
this
twenty
thousand
dollar
settlement
offer
based
on
the
past
ones
would
be
something
you
would
consider
so
I
didn't
want
to
occur.
Any
cost
until
I
got
direction
for
there's
two
ways:
I
can
go
in
your
direction.
G
G
As
you
see
on
you
see
on
the
backup,
I
gave
you
the
deals
for
37
000,
but
they'll
take
away
what
the
settlement
is
and
your
service,
it's
a
property
that
was
bought
on
a
tax
deed
by
a
company
that
has
been
in
Code
Enforcement
mess
for
many
many
years,
so
just
on
the
surface
of
it
would
not
been
an
offer.
That
I
would
of
thought
that
you
would
consider
to
go
forward
with,
but
I'm,
not
the
one
who
who
makes
that
decision.
G
An
attorney
does
but
I'm
I'm,
taking
it
to
try
to
get
this
over
so
I
can
do
it
either
way.
If
you
give
me
direction
if
this
isn't
even
close
in
Direction,
I
can
tell
the
people,
so
they
can
finish
their
closing
document.
This
is
not
there
or,
if
you
direct
me,
to
go
forward
and
do
this
settlement
agreement,
because
you
want
to
get
this
off
the
plate
as
a
leftover
item
and
and
go
forward
with
it.
A
So,
basically,
if,
if
I
remember
the
numbers
right
they're
about
150
000
and
they
want
to
settle
for
about
20,
000
right
and
I
I,
the
name
sound
a
little
familiar,
so
I
I
dug
up
some
backup
back
from
2010,
I
believe
or
whatever
it
was.
It
was
six
Lots
the
code,
The
Violet,
the
fine
was
600
and
something
thousand
dollars.
The
recommendation
there
was
to
settle
for
about
something
similar
from
the
city
attorney
different
City
attorney
to
Mr
Trask
and
the
commission.
A
No
I
I
take
that
back
the
the
person
who
owned
the
property
wanted
to
settle
for
about
the
same
amount
and
then
the
City
attorney
instead
of
the
20
000,
recommended
that
we
settle
for
150
000
of
the
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
fine.
And
so
that's
what
the
commission
agreed
to.
So
that's
the
way
it
worked,
and
this
one
it
like
the
last
time.
A
It
was
a
long
find
similar
issues
and
and
this
one's
a
similar
one
now
out
of
those
six
slots,
the
company,
if
it's
the
same
one,
only
owned
one
of
the
six
Lots
this
time,
it's
two
lots
owned
by
the
company.
So
I
that's
pretty
much
it.
Let
me
go
to
public
comments
and
we'll
go
to
the
commission.
First,
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor
long.
I
From
my
observations,
we
have
a
hundred
and
ten
twenty
thousand
dollar
lien
against
a
property.
That's
up
for
sale
for
40.
thousand
dollars.
What's
what's
the
best
option
for
the
for
the
city
here,
I
mean
from
my
point
of
view.
We
have
two
options:
one
is
to
accept
the
twenty
thousand
dollars.
The
other
one
is
to
foreclose
on
this
property.
I'm
surprised
we
didn't
foreclose
on
it
before,
because
the
last
time
it
was
sold
that
115
000
sitting
against
that
property,
so
I
I
guess.
I
The
decision
for
the
board
here
to
make
tonight
is
is
do
we
want
to
just
get
rid
of
this
guy
write
it
off,
take
our
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
and
hope
they
keep
the
property
maintained.
We
all
know
where
that
property
is
or
do
we
foreclose
in
this
property
and-
and
you
know
just
take
our
losses-
I
haven't
really
added
up
all
the
all
the
fees
we've
spent
on
litigation
and
so
forth.
I
So
far,
but
I
don't
think
they're
twenty
thousand
dollars
worth
I,
don't
know
which
way
the
board
is
is
predisposed
on
this.
The
property
is
not
worth
enough
to
almost
make
it
worth.
Foreclosing
from
my
from
my
perspective,.
A
For
this
evening,
city
manager,
of
course,
what
would
you
like
to
see
either
yes
or
no
to
this.
G
You
bring
forward
that
settle,
bring
forward
and
give
the
documentation
and
lawyer
involved
or
do
the
settlement
to
bring
back
to
you
or
or
or
tell
tell
the
individuals
that
it's
not
close
to
the
offer
that
we
even
accept
for
this
thing
and
and
then
they
can
decide
if
the
closing
has
been
extended.
I
think
the
closing
was
supposed
to
be
in
September,
which
is
why
they
wanted
to
hear
it
I
think
it's
been
extended,
but
to
let
them
move
on
with
a
process.
That's
been
on
hold
while
we've
been
waiting.
Okay,.
A
O
Yeah
I
think
vice
mayor
and
line
makes
a
good
point.
This
isn't
a
piece
of
land.
That's
on
US
19.
It's
not
a
huge
piece
of
part
like
a
huge
parcel
where
you
can
really
leverage
it.
It
is
a
20
of
the
offer
of
the
fine
amount.
When,
if
you
take
out
the
interest
with
me,
it's
it's
something
that
it
looks
like
it's
been
in
compliance
for
quite
some
time.
O
If
I
understand
that
correctly
city
manager,
yeah,
it
moves
the
property
of
someone
else's
ownership
and
probably
gets
the
property
developed
of
some
sort
and
on
the
tax
rolls
further
for
additional
house
in
the
area.
So
the
odd
thing
to
me,
I,
don't
really
know
the
whole
the
whole
background,
but
it's
like
an
empty
lot
that
was
overgrown
and
kind
of
like
how
do
you
code
enforce
Woods
Sometimes
some
things,
I
have
I've,
have
a
hard
time
to
balance
and
try
to
understand
when
you
have
a
wooded
lot.
O
How
do
you
consider
that
code
enforcement
unless
you're
just
a
substantial
amount
of
garbage
on
it?
So
with
that
I
mean
100?
Something
thousand
dollars
is
very
obsessive
for
this
piece
of
land.
I.
Think
twenty
thousand
dollars,
which
is
about
twenty
percent
of
the
fine,
is
a
reasonable
offer
that
we
could
put
into
potentially
the
land
preservation
fund
or
something
along
those
lines
and
get
some
more
property
on
the
city
books
somewhere
else.
H
I'm
in
disagreement
to
the
twenty
thousand
dollars:
it's
not
just
overgrown
lot.
We
have
nuisance
prohibitions,
I'm,
not
saying
that
they
should
be
paying
the
full
amount
either
there
is
somewhere
in
between
that
I
think
could
be
done
or
if
it
can't
be
then
go
to
full
close
on
it.
That's
all
I
would
do
so.
That's
my
take.
J
I
think
the
offer
is
too
low
and
not
going
to
support
it
and
they
need
to
come
back
with
a
an
amount.
That's
reasonable.
We've
we've
taken
some
stances
on.
You
know
other
properties
that
we
were
firm
on
and
I.
Don't
think
this
is
any
different.
N
A
I
mean
I've
got
some
questions,
for
example,
for
clarification,
and
these
are
the
sort
of
questions,
for
example,
is
the
lien
on
the
property
or
is
it
with
the
owner?
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
runs
from
the
owner.
Is
that
something
that
you
could?
As
far
as
the
lean
goes
yeah.
A
I
I
I'm
going
okay
so
to
continue
the
conversation
we
foreclose
in
this
property.
We
get
a
42,
000
I!
Think
that's
what
its
current
sale
price
is
anyway,
a
dollar
piece
of
property
that
we'd
have
to
decide
to
do
something
with
it's,
probably
not
in
an
area
where
we
want
to
put
Habitat
for
Humanity
or
something
like
that.
It's
right,
next
to
the
last
piece
of
property
that
tried
to
I,
think
get
part
of
Calumet
Drive
given
to
them
and
stuff
like
that.
I
I
My
strategy
is:
if
we're
going
to
foreclose,
sell
it
back
to
the
developer
next
door
because
he
needs
it
or
we
could
just
negate
all
this
stuff,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
I,
don't
like
doing
this
kind
of
stuff,
where
I
agree,
people
scoff
laws
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
then
and
then
you
know
say
I
want
to
get
out
of
here.
For
you
know,
Pennies
on
the
dollar
I
mean
even
to
the
point
that
one
of
them
had
the
total
amount
in
escrow,
and
we
still
gave
half
of
it
away.
I
A
Okay,
you
know
we
could
go
ahead
by
commissioner
Carr.
O
Yeah
I
just
a
couple
things
I
want
to
bring
up
here.
So
my
understanding
is
the
current
owner.
Wasn't
the
one
that
actually
had
the
city
energy?
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
was
a
nuisance
of
the
property
spotted.
O
K
Timeline
yeah
from
2013,
18,
20
and
21.
X
K
L
K
L
K
Additional
case
violations
and
stuff
they
went
through,
there
was
no
violations
in
2013
2018
duty
to
maintenance,
maintenance
of
private
property.
Those
were
in
addition
to
the
original
one.
K
Be
moving
forward
for
a
if
right,
settlement.
O
Okay,
yeah
so
I
mean
I
just
want
to
bring
up
a
couple
things,
so
there
were
like,
for
instance,
when
there's
two
or
three
that
came
up
where
a
family
member
passed
away
and
it
was
the
rest
of
the
family-
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it
and
those
were
basically
reduced
to
a
thousand
dollars.
Again,
that's
piece
of
property
was
substantially
like
a
nuisance
and
a
bad,
a
bad
place,
with
a
significant
amount
of
leans
and
the
board
basically
forgave
it
all
down
to
about
a
thousand
dollars.
O
So
there
were
some
change
of
ownership
here.
Obviously,
I
don't
know
how
this
land
can
be
developed
or
anything
along
those
lines
but
I
to
me.
Twenty
thousand
dollars,
if
you
want
to
say
we
need
more
than
that,
I
would
say,
tell
the
board,
let's
be
specific,
but
from
for
my
stance,
I
think
twenty
thousand
dollars
is
good.
Twenty
percent
of
the
offer
currently
it's
built
up
and
that
I
just
want
to
bring
up
that.
A
Situation
I
understand,
commissioner,.
H
Eisner
I
think
you're,
comparing
apples
to
oranges.
When
you
have
a
hardship
there
could
be
concessions.
This
is
not
that
and
and
I
just
think,
it's
right
now,
it's
too
low
of
a
bid.
If,
if
it
has
a
worth
of
forty
thousand
dollars,
then
we
should
take
that
and
sell
it
for
40.
H
Some
odd
thousand
dollars,
I
just
think
that's
way
too
low
for
that
I
hate
getting
into
reducing
fines,
even
though
we'll
have
to
possibly
on
this
because
it
removes
the
deterrent
and
the
compliance
from
the
get-go
you'll
sit
here
and
listen
to
code
enforcement,
and
they
tell
you
it's
repeat,
offend
it's
200
a
day.
What
does
that
mean?
It
means
nothing
because
that's
it's.
What
are
you
going
to
collect
on
it
and
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
at
least
collect
its
worth?
I
I
have
a
more
of
a
legal
question:
this
I
buy
a
property
at
a
tax
sale.
How
do
I
avoid
the
fact
that
it's
got
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollar
lien
on
it
when
I
buy
that
property?
Does
it?
Is
it
not
evident
to
me.
G
I
Risk
is
there
yeah
right
yeah,
so
this
person
who
bought
it
at
a
tax
sale,
knew
that
there
was
a
substantial
lien
on
this
property
just
took
the
risk.
Obviously
you
had
some
time
with
the
property
where
they
weren't
taking
care
of
it,
because
they
had
other
citations.
After
that
fact,
so
I'm
I'm
tending
to
agree
with
Miss
with
commissioner
Eisner
here
that
that
we
just
ought
to
move
forward
and
foreclose.
A
Okay,
what
we
so
we
can
kind
of
cut
to
the
chase.
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
hang
on
a
second
commissioneros
I.
J
Just
wanted
to
add
up,
you
know
my
feelings
about
Code
Enforcement
cases
that
we
just
look
at
them.
Case
by
case
there's
a
lot
of
different,
multi-faceted
variables
that
come
with
each
case,
and
you
know
when
they
get
presented,
is
when
we
discuss
them
and
regarding
that
property
I
mean,
if
you've
ever
drove
in
down
Bayshore,
that
that
whole
side
has
been
overgrown
for
decades.
So
why
this
one
property
I,
don't
know
if
not
saying
single
down,
but
that
whole
side
has
been
actually
looked
like
a
marshmall,
a
Marshland
and
an
overgrown
area.
J
So
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
settle
for
a
small
amount
on
on
this
case,
particularly-
and
you
know,
I'm,
just
hoping
the
board
can
go
that
direction
as
well.
O
I'm,
just
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
20
000
isn't
enough.
So
do
we
want
to
give
a
city
manager
a
number?
It
looks
like
the
contract
sales
for
40.,
that's
I,
think
city
manager
is
asking
for
some
type
of
Direction
here.
For
this,
so
I
mean
I
would
picture
saved,
25
000,
that's
25
percent!
Is
that
enough
or
not
enough?
That's
I
think
what
the
city
manager
is
asking
for
right.
A
Yeah
I
mean
you're,
asking
I,
don't
know
yeah.
O
A
Motion
is
recommend
to
deny
the
the
offer
and
to
request
a
settlement
of
twenty
seven
thousand.
O
A
Okay,
that
motion
dies
for
lack
of
a
second,
and
is
there
someone
else
that
wishes
to
make
a
a
motion
or
in
in
a
second
our
commissioner
card.
H
O
Think
the
mission
would
be
to
direct
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
with
one
of
our
attorneys
another
offer
to
bring
to
the
board.
G
A
O
AB
G
Fines
and
stuff,
and
what
what's
on
the
list
when
we
get
new
code
enfores
and
people
we
get
a
new
City
attorney
and
remember
the
new
City
attorney
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
act,
things
to
get
done
with,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
right
away,
but
that
we
bring
all
this
back.
Look
at
code
enforcement.
Look
at
you
know,
look
at
look
at
some
of
the
criteria
that
commissioner
Cooley
has
talked
about
about
circumstances
and
review
and
just
get
a
consistent
board
attorney
police.
G
Everybody
in
line
they've,
said
some
set:
what
the
objectives
of
code,
what
we're
looking
for,
and
and
get
it
more
consistent.
F
F
G
Got
to
get
a
settled,
City
attorney
and
settle
code
enforce
in
person
which
is
going
to
be
coming
on
board
and
have
workshop
and
sit
there
and
hash
all
this
out.
So
we
were
all
in
line
of
where
we're
going
to
go,
and
then
the
people
knowing
they're
offered
don't
try
to
you
know
bring
an
offer
on
something
like
this
low.
You
need
to
come
with
a
standards
that
is
on
the
list
down
the
line
that
we
need
to
be
all
get
together
and
do
agreed.
A
AB
Of
Miss
Cornell
there's
two
applicants:
Gene
Denoff
and
Jennifer
Bracey.
The
first
choice
for
Miss
Denoff
is
Heritage
preservation
and
Miss.
Bracey's
choice
is
third,
so
you
have
two
options
you
can.
There
is
a
current
alternate
Rita
Kaplan
and
she
was
appointed
for
26
of
22..
AB
She
can
be
moved
up
and
then
you
would
just
need
to
appoint
one
of
the
two
so
that
they
can
spot
or
you
can
leave
Miss
Kaplan
as
the
alternate
and
in
point
in
a
point
either
missed
in
off
or
Miss
Bracy.
As
a
regular
member.
A
Okay,
commissioner
Carr.
O
No,
my
mind
would
be
to
move
the
alternate
Rita
Kaplan
to
the
regular,
see
and
then
have
one
of
the
other
two
fill
the
position.
Miss
Bracy
as
alternate.
L
O
So
before
I
was
before
the
new
board
was
in
place,
this
is
we
we've
talked
about
this
there's
public
comment
about
I.
Think
multi,
multiple
of
you
made
public
comments
as
well
too,
about
not
skipping
over
the
alternate
and
giving
alternate
a
chance
to
come
onto
the
board,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
this
up.
O
I
think
this
is
like
the
fourth
time
this
has
happened
where
you've
passed
over
the
alternate,
who
sat
on
the
board,
put
someone
else
who
hasn't
been
on
the
board
before
in
the
past,
so
I
understand
from
time
to
time.
That's
something
that
can
be
done.
It's
on
our
powers
or
our
powers
are
as
a
board.
We
can
do
that.
I
think
it's
not
good
visibility
to
continue
to
do
that
to
the
volunteer
board
members
who
sit
on
these
boards.
O
That's
my
comment
in
this
situation.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
roll
call.
Please
could
I
make
a
comment
back.
H
Yes,
the
prior
boys
have
done
this
before
I
sat
on
the
board
of
adjustment,
and
they
put
people
in
commissioner
Carr
was
in
responsible
for
that
as
well.
So
what
he's
saying
now
is
different
to
what
has
been
done
in
the
past
and
you
have
Gene
dinhoff
who's
gone
through
the
Citizens,
Academy
and
Rita
Kaplan
has
been
in
there.
Yes,
but
she's
been
in
there
a
very
very
short
time.
So,
if
I
have
to
choose
between
two
people,
someone
who's
gone
through
a
Citizens
Academy
versus
going
through.
H
You
know,
just
having
one
or
two
meetings
is
a
big
difference.
It's
not
like
we're
just
nilly
Willy,
just
picking
people
out
of
the
sky,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
have
that
impression.
There
was
thought
that
went
into
this.
It's
not
just
the
way
it's
been
presented
by
commissioner
call.
AB
AB
So
the
board
can
reappoint
Ms,
vigil
and
Mr
Bessie
to
another
term,
and
that
term
would
expire,
October,
1,
2025
and
in
point
and
a
point,
someone
from
the
list
below
to
fill
that
alternate
spot.
A
Mr
jumper?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
I
O
A
Different
names:
okay,
gross
okay,
commissioner,.
A
Okay,
commissioneros
I.
J
Would
like
to
reappoint
Justin
Vesey
to
another
term
I'd
like
to
at
Robert
Rocklin,
to
take
over
the
one
seat
as
well
and
then
put
let's
see.
J
Commissioner
Eiser,
what
was
that
name?
You
said
der
Le
gross
gross
as
the
alternate
I
I
seen.
His
vigils
missed
some
some
attendance
recently
and
it's
been
steady
and
so
I'm
looking
to
bring
some
people
on
who
can
make
some
good
decisions
and
and
being
able
to
articulate
and
Mr
rockline
did
email.
This
board
and
I
did
appreciate
that
board
with
his
experiences
and
his
pitch
so
I'd
like
to
move
him
to
a
permanent
position.
A
Okay,
so
for
clarification,
you're
saying
real
Point,
Robert,
Rocklin
and
Justin
Jesse
vessey
to
a
term
that
would
expire,
2025
and
Miss
durla
gross
to
fill
the
unexpired
term
of
the
alternate
that
would
expire
in
October
2023.
Is
that
what
you
were
saying.
H
A
I
O
A
Okay,
there's
that
fails
for
lack
of
a
second
I'm.
H
Going
to
reappoint
Justin
Vesey
I
want
to
put
Robert
Rocklin
in
and
Daryl.
Agross
is
an
alternate.
A
Second,
the
durla
grows
for
the
alters
and
alternates
are
okay
and
there's
a
second.
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
other
comments.
J
H
You
mayor
can
I
ask
I
want
to
put
something
in
also.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
spoke
about.
Also.
Was
that
we're
not
getting
when
we're
reappointing
somebody
we're
not
getting
their
resume
their
application
yet
we're
trying
to
compare
them
to
the
new
applications
and
each
time
I
I
go
after
them,
but
we
should
have
those
to
do
the
comparison.
H
You
know
not
only
how
long
they've
been
in
alternate,
but
at
the
same
time
attendance
I
mean
because
you
could
be
in
all
in
it
and
not
be
there,
and-
and
you
know
it's
just
you're,
making
a
very
poor
comparison.
So
I
did
bring
that
up
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
in
the
future,
so
that
we
have
a
good
comparison
to
make
that
decision.
I.
I
Concur
as
the
city
grows,
the
boards
are
becoming
more
important
to
us
and
we
need
to
get
a
full
picture.
Okay,.
A
A
AB
AB
A
Mayor
vaticus:
yes,
all
right:
the
public
art
committee,
appointment
to
the
public
guard
committee;
that's
item:
13.,
Ms,
minus.
AB
So
the
public
art
committee,
we
have
the
resignation
of
Lucy
Ann
Robinson,
who
was
a
regular
member
Additionally.
The
terms
for
Mr,
Jones
and
Mr
meals
have
expired.
Mr
Jones
would
like
to
serve
another
term,
but
Mr
Mills
is
not
seeking
another
term,
so
the
board
to
make
it
easier.
If
you
wish
to
reappoint
Graham
Jones,
would
be
item
one
and
then
you
would
have
to
go
to
item
two
to
fill
the
term
of
Lucy
and
Robinson
and
Mr
Mills.
A
I
So
if
I
understand,
this,
I
want
to
reappoint
Graham
Jones
to
another
three-year
term
for
two
I'd
like
to
appoint
or
I'd
like
to
to
look
at
moving
Elaine
christopoulos
to
fill
the
unexpired
term
of
lucianne
Robinson
and
looking
at
Nicholas
Toth
to
fill
the
unexpired
term
of
William
meals.
H
L
L
H
Mine
is
equivalent
to
what
vice
mayor
said:
Russia
Merlot,
okay,
just
for
convenience,
I,
don't
want
to
have
to
repeat
all
the
names
I
can,
if
you
need,
but
I
I
won't
all.
J
Agree
with
vice
mayor.
O
A
AB
A
Okay,
one
more
appointment
to
the
sustainability
committee,
Ms.
AB
Minutius
so
Dr
Robinson
has
resigned
and
his
term
also
expired.
Dory
Larson's
term
has
expired
and
she
has
expressed
to
serve
another
time
and
she
is
eligible
for
reappointment.
So
your
option
is
one
and
two.
If
you
wish
to
move
Dory
Larson
to
another
term,
and
then
you
can
move
the
alternate
up
to
fill
Dr
Robinson's
spot
either
one
of
the
alternates
or
you
can
appoint
a
point
directly
from
the
list.
A
Okay,
all
right,
let's
go
to
vice
mayor
alone,.
I
So
my
direction
would
be
to
reappoint
Dory
Larson
to
another
term
and
to
appoint
B
Carol
mickett
to
the
expired
term
of
Paul
Robinson
and
then
to
select
an
alternate
to
replace
Carol
mickett
with
Jennifer
Bracy.
A
O
Yeah
thanks
mine
would
be
to
repoint
Dory
Larson
to
know
the
term
move,
Robin
Sanger
and
then
a
point.
Jennifer
Bracy
as
a
alternate.
N
A
Okay,
commissioner,.
H
Eisner
is
going
to
be
cute
here:
Dory
Lawson
reappoint
and
move
B
to
vacancy,
so
I'm
right
now,
equivalent
to
what
vice
mayor
said,
but
on
the
last
I
am
at
I
believe
the
name
is
chauben
shelbin.
A
H
J
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
to
reappoint
Dory
Larson
to
another
term.
A
point.
O
Gonna
make
a
motion
make
a
motion
to
reappoint
Dory
Larson
to
another
term,
a
point
Carol
make
it
to
replace
and
fill
the
Paul
Robert
Dr,
Paul
Robinson's,
expired
term
and
a
point
her
to
a
full
term
and
then
a
point
Jennifer
Bracy,
to
replace
an
alternate
number
two.
Okay.
A
A
AB
A
Let's
adjourn
it
10
14.
and
then
call
to
order,
or
does
anybody
need
a
break?
I
O
AB
A
G
We're
doing
is
looking
for
the
authorization
to
proceed
with
the
final
design.
This
has
been
going
along
for
a
while
is
Mr.
Robinson
will
tell
you
in
this
presentation
we're,
finally
to
the
point
where
we
have
an
idea
on
the
costs
so
Bob.
If
you
give
the
presentation
of
briefly
how
we
got
where
we
are
and
what
the
decision
for
tonight
is.
AA
Sure
so,
I'm
Bob
Robertson
project
administration,
department,
director
and
to
Briefly
summarize
the
project.
The
Jitney
display
garage
concept
is
a
freestanding
glass
wall
display
and
storage
building
that
would
be
used
for
the
historic
Jitney
vehicle.
AA
It
would
be
located
on
Court
Street,
located
directly
behind
the
train
depot
Ed
Hoffman,
who
is
here
tonight,
has
donated
his
architectural
services,
but
final
engineering
design
elements
remained
to
be
completed
before
we
can
put
the
project
out
to
bid
for
construction
so
that
design
concept
is
presented
in
your
backup,
there's
some
renderings
that
we
that
Mr
Hoffman
prepared
those
have
been
presented
to
and
approved
by
the
Heritage
preservation
board.
That
was
back
in
May.
AA
So
looking
looking
ahead
here,
the
current
estimate
to
complete
the
design
and
construct
the
building
is
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
That's
with
a
big
caveat,
the
caveat
being
the
final
construction
price
will
depend
on
the
bidding
process
and
we
we
know
what
that's
been
like
in
recent
months
and
as
as
with
all
construction
contracts
of
this
magnitude.
The
final
Award
of
the
Construction
contract
we'll
come
back
to
the
CRA
board
for
approval.
AA
So
you
will
see
that
we're
not
going
to
just
put
it
out
to
and
then
start
the
construction
right
away
and
finally,
funding
would
be
provided
through
the
CRA
budget.
So
if
you
want
me
to
elaborating
more
on
the
cost,
Mark
I
can
do
that
because.
G
The
LA
again
the
budgeted
and
what
would
have
to
be
added
to
the
budget,
the
it
was
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
was
budgeted
so
in
essence,
you'd,
have
to
add
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
the
CRA
fund
to
complete
that
that
is
not
it's
there
in
the
CRA,
but
it's
not
been
designated
so
right.
This
is
and
again
depending
on
could
be
higher.
G
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
lower
with
the
cost
we've
seen
in
bidding
and
stuff
so
understand
after
we
spend
the
Forty
thousand
for
design
we're
hoping
you
know,
you
would
hope
to
meet
the
estimate
and
stuff,
but
there's
no
guarantee
that
it
could
be
a
little
bit
higher
than
an
estimate.
So
that's
the
decision
before
you
spend
in
the
Forty
thousand
dollars
on
engineering.
We
gotta
decide
if
we're
adding.
You
know
at
least
an
additional
fifty
thousand
to
what
was
already
budgeting,
the
CRA
and
just
realized.
G
When
that
comes
in
it
you
know
there
may
be
maybe
an
increase.
Hopefully
it
won't
be.
A
Okay,
is
that
it?
Yes,
sir
okay
Mr
Hoffman's
here
to
answer
any
questions?
Is
that
correct?
That's
up
to
you
and
him,
but
that's,
let
me
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
Y
Anita
produce
901
Bayshore
Drive.
This
project
has
been
a
long
time
in
the
making
when
it
was
donated
to
the
city
and
we
went
down
and
pulled
it
out
of
the
garage
I
think
you
were
there.
Mayor.
I
may
be
mistake,
you
know
that's
been
so
long
ago.
Y
We
saw
the
condition
it
was
in
and
we
had
to
talk
with
the
Historical
Society
about
taking
it
and
restoring
it,
and
we
had
a
committee
and
we
went
to
the
public
and
they
were
very
happy
that
we
had
another
Jitney.
Y
That
was
very
important
Transportation
years
ago
in
Tarpon
Springs
Not
only
was
it
for
the
Greek
Community
it
was
for
the
community-wide
people
would
ride
on
it.
We
didn't
have
buses
back
then
to
go
to
the
grocery
store,
to
go
back
and
forth
from
Greektown
Uptown
to
the
doctor's
office
to
the
hospital
back
and
forth,
and
they
were
very,
they
were
loved
by
everyone.
Y
Y
What's
happened
to
them
so
we're
fortunate
to
have
one
and
citizens
in
Tarpon
Springs
donated
to
restore
it,
and
we
use
it
now
still
sometimes
when
in
parades,
I
think
that
we've
used
it
in
the
Christmas
parade
or
when
dignitaries
come
to
Tarpon,
but
it
is
unique,
and
it
is
something
that
we
should
be
very
proud
of,
and
it's
something
else
for
the
visitors
to
come
and
see
in
Tarpon,
Springs
I.
Y
Think
most
of
you
know
the
history
of
it
in
the
late
Dr
Dudley
Sally,
who
was
a
commissioner,
became
president
of
the
historical
society
and
worked
with
the
city
manager
in
the
city
commission
back
then
to
have
something
built
to
store
it
in
the
city's
been
very
kind
letting
us
leave
it
here
within
the
city
to
keep
it
secure
and
everybody
wants
to
see
it.
People
want
to
ride
in
it,
and
it's
really
very
unique
for
our
community.
Y
A
I
I
I
Why
do
we
have
a
Jitney,
and
why
do
we
need
a
garage
to
put
it
in
and
so
I
I
wasn't
here,
I
guess
when
we
went
through
the
original
acquisition
and
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
and
I
I
missed
the
part
about
how
involved
the
community
was
at
the
time
with
this,
so
I
don't
really
have
any
too
many
questions.
I
One
of
the
things
that
concerns
me
is
the
fact
that
the
costs
have
gone
from
what
was
proposed
at
100
to
150
and
the
way
things
are
going.
These
days
could
could
easily
be
200
and
how
that
impacts,
our
CRA
budget
and
the
plans
we
have
for
the
CRA,
and
that's
that's
probably
my
only
do
we
have
money
in
the
CRA
for
this
yeah.
G
I,
don't
know
of
anything
we've
got,
you
know,
we've
got
a
money
available
for
for
projects
and
not
Disney.
That's
one
of
the
things
the
board
will
get
into
after
we
get
finished
with
a
lot
of
the
things
we're
doing
getting
ready
for
election
to
look
at
where
some
of
the
money
can
be
spent
in
the
CRA,
especially
now
that
we've
got
some
Manpower,
that's
providing
the
budget
that
we
can
actually
do
some
things.
So,
okay,
there
is
money
available
and.
I
But
this
extra
hundred
thousand
dollars
would
obviously
mean
we
have
to
not
do
something
else.
50.
I,
don't
know
it's
I'm.
Only
one
of
five
I
think
I,
like
the
project.
I'm,
not
happy
with
the
cost
and
I
don't
have
any
questions.
O
Yeah
I
think
this
is
a
great
project,
so
just
to
give
you
a
little
history,
if
I
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
the
budget
of
the
CRA,
so
there's
a
hundred
thousand
already
budgeted
from
last
year
in
the
CRA
for
this
project
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
money,
unfunded
in
the
CRA.
So
there's
a
lot
of
money.
That's
there.
O
The
board,
the
city
managers
hasn't
brought
anything
forward
to
say,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
this
project
I've
been
a
proponent
for
trying
to
do
a
parking
garage
with
CRA
funds,
so
we've
been
able
to
put
a
little
way
each
each
year,
but
there's
really
not
a
project
there.
For
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
money
in
the
CRA
funds.
It's
just
sitting
there
waiting
to
be
used
in
this
area.
O
This
is
a
great,
a
great
asset
for
the
city
to
put
on
display
within
the
CRA,
the
Jitney
and
I
think
Mr
hoppin's
designs
fit
the
neighborhood
very
well.
You've
got
the
bike
trail
where
people
are
going
by
in
the
bike.
Trail.
You've
got
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic
here.
Most
of
this
is
all
glass,
so
you
can
see
it
from
all
sides.
It
fits
the
neighborhood.
Well,
it's
a
nice
asset,
brick
and
mortar
to
the
CRA
itself.
O
I
think
it.
It
enhances
a
CRA
from
a
beautification
standpoint.
I
wouldn't
call
it
art
necessarily,
but
that's
basically,
what
the
jit
needs.
Almost
it's
almost
like
a
statue
and
inside
a
display
area
to
be
to
be
kept
safe,
so
Mr
Hoffman.
If
you
could
I.
AD
Z
AD
AD
AD
The
wonderful
thing
about
this
by
being
outside
and
well
protected
is
that
it
becomes
a
24
7
all
year
round,
exhibit
that's
exposed
to
the
public.
You
know
we
only
our
the
depot
is
only
open
a
certain
number
of
hours.
You
know,
based
on
all
our
volunteers
who
work
there,
so
this
one,
this
one
becomes
an
exhibit,
that's
exposed
all
all
the
time.
AD
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
the
and
Anita
was
talking
about
the
importance
of
the
Jitney
historically,
which
is
absolutely
you
know
true,
and
that
it's
the
com
connecting
the
the
the
Greek
Town
I.
Guess
they
call
it
the
you
know
the
sponge
Dock
area
with
the
downtown
that
was.
It
was
a
wonderful
thing
used
by
both
the
Greek
Community,
as
well
as
the
non-greeks.
But
so
that's
that's
really
important,
but
if
you
look
at
it
just
from
the
CRA
point
of
view,
what
is
there
to
do
in
in
town?
AD
You
know,
and
this
again
gets
to
be
24-hour.
Well
they
have
this
great
display
of
the
Jitney.
It's
1927.
there
you'd
be
amazed
how
many
people,
particularly
older
people,
are
so
excited
about
this.
This
old,
This,
Old
Car
I,
mean
they're
interested
in
antique
automobiles
anyway,
so
it
becomes
a
real
attraction.
That's
not
open
from
five
to
you
know,
or
you
know,
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
till
five:
it's
open
24
7..
So
so,
if
you
go
to
tulas
across
the
street,
you
know,
then
you
go
across
and
look
at
the
Jitney.
AD
It's
just
constantly
exposed
so
we're
you
know
we're
excited
about
that.
It
also
is
serving
the
purpose
right
now.
It's
in
the
City
Garage,
which
we've
been
just
so
grateful
to
the
city,
for
you
know
giving
us
that
allowing
the
Jitney
to
be
housed
there,
but
the
conditions
aren't
quite
what
they
we
would
like
them
to
be.
In
terms
of
you
know,
having
dehumidification
and
mostly
accessibility
to
be
able
to,
because
y'all
aren't
there
on
the
on
the
weekends,
the
city.
Isn't
there
so
I
mean
they
have
granted
us.
AD
AD
It's
you
know
it's
it's
a
a
happy
thing
for
everybody:
everybody
in
the
community
I
can't
imagine
why
you
would
not
want
to
do
this
and
I
think
it
will
pay
back
in
terms
of
bringing
tourists
more
tourists
into
town
we're
also
going
to
it's
also
kind
of
a
shop
where
I'm
I'm,
foreseeing
a
lot
of
people
that
are,
you
know.
AD
In
fact,
I've
talked
to
several
that
that
really
want
to
be
involved
in
the
in
the
maintenance
of
of
the
Jitney
and-
and
it's
almost
like
a
you
know,
Club
of
guys
that
can
come
in
and
pull
it
out
and
wash
it
and
wax
it
take
good
care
of
it.
Keep
things
fixed,
replace
a
clutch
whatever
that
they
want
to
do
with
it.
O
AD
Why
it's
here
yeah
there's
a
plaque
there
that
it
writes
on
the
car
now
whether
we
take
that
and
but
we
want
to
recognize
the
donors.
But
then
we
also
want
to
talk.
You
know,
give
the
history
and
that's
and
one
of
the
renderings
there
there's
a
panel
there
that
so
you
can
look
at
the
car
itself,
it'll
be
lit,
and
then
you
can
read
the
history
of
of
the
car
and
so
it'll
be
kind
of
a
self-guided
tour.
So
to
speak.
AD
Yes,
yeah,
we
want
it
to
light
up
at
night.
We
also
have
the
security
of
the
city
has
been
great,
with
a
lot
of
new
cameras
around
the
around
the
depot
and
that'll,
be,
of
course,
one
of
the
focus
so
that'll
also
help
for
security,
as
well
as
the
lighting.
O
AD
You
yeah
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
to
enhance
what
Bob
was
saying
about
the
the
budget.
The
absolute
he's
absolutely
correct
that
right
now
in
this,
in
you
know,
with
with
the
hurricane,
what's
going
on
down
south
the
availability
of
materials
supply
chain
issues,
blah
blah
blah
blah,
it's
real
hard.
You
know
we
put
together
some
numbers
for
this.
We
had
missed
one
of
the
the
we
more
recently
got.
AD
The
numbers
for
the
mechanical
air
conditioning,
I
should
say
the
mechanical
and
the
electrical
price
that
we
think
is
realistic,
and
that
is
offset
by
one
of
the
numbers
that
we
had
in
there.
That
was
40
percent,
the
labor
markup,
and
that
was
on
a
on
one
of
the
all
the
glass
which
the
glass
price
already
included
labor,
so
it
really
kind
of
evens
out.
So
it
came
out
to
about
around
a
hundred
and
four
thousand
dollars
for
the
building
itself,
and
then
we
have
another.
AD
And
again,
this
is
what
we're
asking
for
is
not
for
all
this
money
right
now
we're
it's
going
to
bid
we'll
see
what
happens.
Hopefully,
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
much
lower,
but
but
we'll
we'll
see,
and
then
we
can
say
yeah,
it's
a
great
idea.
AD
There's
a
flume
that
runs
through
there
so
we're
having
to
take
the
water
and
get
the
water
around
the
building,
so
it
doesn't
just
shoot
into
it,
and
so
so
that's
the
I
guess
that's
one
of
the
prices
that
you
know
I'm
not
involved
in
that's
the
city
engineer
is
the
one.
That's
calling
the
the
numbers
on
that
the
fees
that
we
have
added
from
kind
of
my
side
of
it
is.
L
AD
A
H
You
mayor
I
had
a
long
conversation
with
Ed
earlier.
H
This
is
not
only
150
000
project,
it
is
a
lifetime
maintenance.
It's
estimated
between
fifteen
hundred
two
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
did
do
some
investigation
into
it.
The
Jitney
was
so
well
loved.
H
It
was
left
for
60
years
to
just
sit
and
rot,
and
then
it
was
fixed
at
the
rate
of
I
believe
it
was
around
forty
thousand
dollars
by
a
few
of
the
people
that
are
here,
but
the
people
that
are
contributing
into
this
CRA
fund
are
not
here
and
that's
the
money
we
would
be
authorizing
to
spend
for
something
that
we
don't
know
whether
they
would
want
this
or
not,
and
that
doesn't
sit
pretty
with
me.
H
I
looked
up
to
see
how
many
years
it
would
take
if
we
were
to
rent
a
location,
that's
air
conditioned
for
this
vehicle
and
we
could
at
just
that
the
build
amount
it's
31
years.
We
can
keep
this
thing
preserved.
We
don't
have
anybody
who's
volunteering
to
maintain
it.
We
have
no
place
to
put
any
of
the
special
I
spoke
to
somebody
who
said
there's
a
special
lubricant
grease
gun
that
you
have
to
use
on
this.
It's
forever
breaking
down.
H
At
the
same
time,
we
have
no
report
that
says
that
this
is
going
to
bring
people
to
see
this
I've
seen
the
vehicle
for
the
most
part,
most
of
the
parades
that
we
have.
We
don't
use
it.
I
know
that
there
was
a
couple
of
people
for
a
while
it
was
being
used
and
then
there
was
issues
we
couldn't
use
it
to
go.
Move
things
around.
There
was
insurance
issues
that
were
coming
about
because
I
did
do
some
after
I
spoke
with
you.
H
I
did
do
some
delving
into
this
and
to
me
it's
it's
the
start
of
another
Money
Pit
that
we
do
very
well
here
in
the
city
we
buy
things
and
then
we're
stuck
passing
that
maintenance
on
to
everyone
else
after
it,
because
it's
a
glass
it
has
to
be
hurricane
proof
and
everything-
and
that's
that's
the
most
expensive
thing
we
very
rarely
have
somebody
who
even
opens
up
the
the
depot
and
so
who's
going
to
open
this
up
who's
going
to
come
in
there
I
don't
see
a
list
of
okay
I'll.
H
Let
you
speak
in
a
minute.
I,
don't
see
a
list
of
people
that
you
have
coming
in
and
saying
that
for
10
you
know,
10
people
are
volunteering
to
on
Saturday,
come
and
wax
this,
and
do
this.
H
This
is
going
to
be
another
job
that
the
city
takes
over
and
I
would
like
to
get
a
consensus
of
the
people
that
have
put
money
into
this,
because
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
Carr
with
his
comment
when
he
said
we
could
take
this
CRA
fund
and
utilize
it
to
build
a
parking
garage
which
is
so
much
more
needed.
This
to
me,
I
know
the
people
I
already
investigated,
who
invested
in
the
Forty
thousand
dollars
to
re.
You
know
retrofit
and
fix
this
thing
up,
and
it's
a
beautiful
thing,
I've
seen
it.
H
We
had
this
in
front
of
the
Civic
Center
a
couple
of
times
when
we
had
that
that
that
dedication
of
a
plaque,
but
we
don't
have
drive
as
we
have
no
issue.
You
know
it
would
just
be
another
thing
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
that
can
actually
be
placed
in
a
garage
and
be
just
as
well
taken
care
of
you
know
if
it
was
such
an
amazing
thing.
Why
did
we
leave
this
to?
You
know
just
rot
for
60
years.
H
You
know
it's
interesting
to
paint
this
pretty
picture
of
it
now,
because
private
investors
put
40
000
into
it,
but
those
same
private
investors
should
be
putting
the
the
storage
as
well.
Why
is
the
CRA
funds,
the
people
that
run
businesses
if,
if
they
came
before
me
and
or
anybody
came
before
me
and
handed
me,
50
60
signatures
that
this
is
a
fantastic
project?
Amen,
Idols,
don't
want
to
go
spending
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
be
locked
into
200.
H
You
know
two
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
air
condition
it
and
you
know
who's
nobody's
volunteered
to
go
clean.
The
windows
on
Saturday
I
mean
you
know
all
these
things
and
and
I
appreciate
it.
It
was
a
pretty
painted
picture
of
what
it
could
be,
but
I
can't
go
on
that.
I
have
to
go
on
I'm
a
realist,
and
this
is
just
another
project
that
we
would
be
taking
on
and
be
responsible
for.
So,
in
my
opinion,
unless
I
see
a
group
of
people
that
have
been
paying
into
this
that
want
this
done.
H
What
if
you
don't
eat
a
tool,
is
the
then
you
don't
get
to
see
it.
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
not
something
that
I
think
we
should
be
spending
CRA.
Funds
on
I
still
want
to
spend
CRA
funds
on
our
Christmas
lights
and
use
what
we've
been
spending
on
the
Christmas
lights
for
something
else.
We
have
so
many
projects
that
are
pertinent
to
keeping
this
city
running.
This
is
not
one
of
them.
This
is.
This
is
a
a
self-interest
type
project
and-
and
that's
that's
my
take
so
okay
thank.
A
You,
commissioner,.
J
Yeah
I
I'm,
all
about
restoring
and
bringing
back
the
history
in
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I
know
that
the
Jitney
brings
a
lot
of
memories
to
the
people
who
grew
up
here.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
Mr
Hoffman
and
those
from
the
Historical
Society.
J
Do
you
think
the
location
and
where
you
want
to
build
it
is
the
best
optimal
one
for
people
to
come
by
and
see
it
because
you
know
I,
I,
wanna,
I,
just
think
it
might
take
away
some.
J
The
ability
to
have
some
you
know
I
see
sometimes
there's
events
where
the
back
part
of
the
train
depots,
use
to
Stage
or
you
know,
for
bands
or
other
stuff
and
I
think
it
might
take
away
from
the
ability
to
have
some
events
right
there,
but
just
wanted
to
see.
Did
you
guys
try
to
explore
any
other
areas
in
town
to
to
put
it
and
just
your
thoughts
on
it?
Yes,.
AD
And
I
can
also
then
come
back
to
Mr
sure,
commissioner
eisner's
point,
but
yes,
that's!
The
first
thing
is
about
okay,
it's
a
one-way
Street
on
that
side
and
and
it'll
be
behind
behind
the
building,
but
the
amount
of
traffic
that
goes
through.
There
is
actually
pretty
high,
and
particularly
the
trail,
so
everybody
that
drives
it
goes
on
the
trail.
Then
it's
an
easy
pop
off
and
it
becomes
a
visiting
kind
of
a
thing.
AD
We
looked
at
the
Safford
house
location,
but
talk
about
visibility
and
we're
looking
for
properties
that
the
city
already
owns,
or
you
know
so
we're
not
going
out
and
buying
a
piece
of
property
because
that
that
would
really
shoot
the
budget
too
for
for
a
piece
of
downtown.
So
so
that
seemed
to
be
the
most
logical
place.
The
other
thing
is
that
it
combines
it
with
the
museum,
because
it
is
a
piece
of
our
collection
so
so
that
it
seemed
to
make
sense
to
the
two
work
together.
AD
I
know
that
I'm
trying
to
think
of
Eddie's
last
name,
but
you
know
from
across
where
he
you
know
there
have
been
some
some
events
there
on
the
back
porch.
You
know
where
they
they
stage
on
the
back,
porch
and
out,
but
we've
also
had
events
that
Florida
National.
AD
Excuse
me:
Florida
trust
for
historic
preservation
had
their
annual
meeting
here
for
Florida
one
year
and
they
they
closed
Safford
and
they
used
the
deck
on
the
side
for
the
band
and
all
so
so
they
can
still
work
out
as
a
as
a
big
event
down
in
that
area.
You
know,
that's
that's
a
possibility.
That's.
J
You
know
I
know
it
brings
back
I'm
all
about
bringing
up
the
history
again
and
you
know
I
want
people
to
come
by
and
say:
hey
that's
what
people
were
driving
around
in
in
the
20s
and
30s
to
get
to
and
from
places
so
I
I
know
it's
an
expensive
budget
and
I
I
do
have
some
of
the
concerns
that
commissioner
Eiser
has
with
upkeeping,
but
I
think
this
is
a
treasure
in
knowing
that,
oh
one
of
the
last
ones
around
and
so
right
next
to
that
that
Depot
does
make
sense,
but
you
guys
bringing
up
the
facts
that
it
can
be
moved
around
but
being
brought
out
and
placed
in
certain
areas.
J
You
know
during
maybe
a
day
or
two
certain
events
by
other
buildings
and
stuff
is,
is
something
I
like
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
go
forward
with
not
I'd
like
to
approve
and
see
it
worked
on
and
move
forward.
AD
Can
I
add
one
more
point
to
that
in
terms
of
its
location,
the
the
city
has
a
substantial
parking
lot
back
there
now
and
that's
really
an
active
parking
lot,
and
so
you
have
a
lot
of
traffic
through
there
as
well.
So
it's
like
you've
got
a
place
to
park.
Look
at
the
Jitney
if
you're
driving,
if
you're
not
on
a
bike,
but
when
you
mentioned
the
upkeep
cost
the
much
of
what
Mr
Eiser
commissioner
Eiser
had
talked
about.
Was
you
know
that
this
is
going
to
be?
AD
You
know
this
this
noose
around
the
city's
neck
for
years
you
know,
and
but
the
but
I
can
tell
you
the
the
Jitney
is
not
a
city
property,
it's
the
Historical,
Society
property
and
it
has
been
maintained
and
taken
care
of
by
the
city,
not
over
it
by
the
historical,
not
for
the
last
60
years.
Anita
can
talk
to
you
about
that,
but
when
we
did
get
it,
we've
had
it
in
great
shape
and
in
keeping
it
keeping
it
so
as
much
as
it
can
be
in
an
unconditioned
space
and
one
with
difficult
access.
AD
So
so
we
have
paid
the
insurance.
We
have
paid
for
the
upkeep
We
have
replaced
the
clutch
on
it.
We
have
done
all
that
thing
and
I've
talked
to
Steve
Ogle,
who
is
also
wants
to
come
back
and
really
participate
in
it
and
when
I
talked
about
the
the
club
of
guys,
you
know
Steve
would
be
one
of
those
and
he's
welcomed.
You
know
interested
in
doing
that
and
also
you
know
the
there's
some
several
guys
that
have
been
driving
it
now.
AD
Pete
coulianos
is
one
that's
a
driver,
and
so
you
please
don't
think
about
the
Jitney
itself
as
an
issue
cleaning.
The
glass
is
not
an
issue.
The
historical
society,
and
these
guys
can
take
care
of
that
that
it's
just
not
and
the
building
was
designed
for
it's
low
maintenance
as
possible.
We
have
thermal
insulated
glass
e-glass.
We
have
a
large
overhang
to
keep
the
building
protected.
We
have
we're
using
Hardie
board
for
the
siding.
AD
So
there's
you
know
they're
paint,
so,
okay,
every
10
15
years,
maybe
we
have
to
paint
there's
very
little
paint
on
it.
So
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
very
low
maintenance
building
the
air
conditioning
is,
is
a
Delta
we're
just
we're
just
trying
to
keep
the
building.
We
don't
want
it
to
get
to
be
95
degrees
in
there.
We
want
to
kind
of
you
know
in
the
summer.
We
want
to
keep
it
more
to
you,
know
85
or
something
so
so
it's
a
not
a
big
Delta
in
trying
to
cool
or
heat
the
building.
AD
We
mainly
want
it
for
dehumidification,
so
so
I
think
the
maintenance
is
going
to
be
really
low
and
you
know
compared
to
a
parking
garage.
What
is
the
parking?
You
know
the
per
space
of
the
cost
of
a
parking
garage
I?
Don't
think
our
project
is
going
to
cost
more
than
one
or
two
parking
spaces
in
a
in
an
elevated
garage.
I
mean
it's
just
not
a
big
deal
but
I
think
there's
a
big
benefit
for
all
of
the
merchants.
AD
I
pay
taxes
I'm
in
I'm
in
the
CRA
and
and
I'm
delighted
to
have
that,
in
addition,
and
and
have
my
money
go
there
so
anyway,
that's
personal
Point,
sure.
A
A
A
A
No
I
see
manager
and
I've
had
conversations
just
I
mean
no
matter
how
you
turn
it.
It's
520
dollars
a
square
foot
based
on
the
on
the
estimate,
which
is
a
hard
number
to
to
swallow
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
our
experience
with
the
clerk's
office.
That
number,
which
was
original
estimate,
was
maybe
about
50
or
60
percent
higher
at
one
time
I.
A
Well,
first
of
all,
let
me
ask
you,
you
mentioned
something
about
the
plaque.
Was
there
some
thought
of
moving
the
plaque
off
the
side
of
the
Jitney
onto
the
pedestal?.
A
A
For
the
Historical
Society
to
deal
with
the
one
thing
that
at
one
time
we
had
some
project
I
can't
quite
I,
think
it
was
the
arch
at
the
Sponge
Docks
about
design,
build
approach.
I
wouldn't
support
that,
because
unless
you
know
what
you're
looking
for
or
what
you
want
it,
you
don't
do
a
design
build
in
this
particular
case.
We
know
what
it's
supposed
to
look
like:
the
structures
done,
the
architectural
is
done.
What's
not
those
electrical
and
mechanical
and.
AD
You
know
the
hundred
and
five
thousand
dollars
roughly
or
something,
and
we
end
up
being
at
it's
really
361
dollars
a
square
foot
and
that's
our
kind
of
kind
of
guess
that
that's
a
high
number
in
itself.
It's
the
the
Civil
peace
I.
Believe
the
engineering
piece,
the
non
you
know
the
soft
cost,
I
think
that's.
What's
that's?
What's
driving.
A
A
AD
A
A
And
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
this
without
having
to
spend
forty
thousand
dollars
in
order
to
get
a
bid
package
to
send
it
out
for
bid
for
construction,
and
the
one
thought
I
had
was
a
design
build
approach,
which
was
you
know
what
it
looks
like
the
structural's
done,
send
it
out
the
bid.
But
if
what
you're
telling
me
is
that
the
Forty
thousand
dollars
represents
the
civil
engineering
and
it's
got
nothing
to
do
with
the
building,
then
why
are
we
connecting
the
Forty
thousand
dollars?
AD
The
way
we
see
it
is,
it
becomes
a
package
that
you
need
to
know.
A
contractor
would
be
and
Mark
work
on
it
by
the
way
kokalakas.
When
we
were
talking
about
a
small
building.
That's
one
of
his
smaller
buildings,
we're
going
to
rope
him
into
to
to
building
this
building
for
us
I
think
it's
he's
two
blocks
away
so
give
us
a
deal,
but
no.
AD
So
you
know
how
that
how
that
comes
together
it
seems
like
y'all,
are
gonna
want
one
price
for
everything
and
the
coordination
of
having
one
contractor.
Do
it
all.
AA
I
think
the
approach
here
is
part
of
what's
missing
here
is:
is
Ed
saying
that
most
of
the
design
is
finished,
but
the
piece
that's
missing
is:
is
he's
moved
ahead
on
some
of
the
design
in
advance
of
the
working
with
our
eor
to
get
the
Civil
work
done?
AA
I
think
he's
got
people
that
he's
working
with
that
we
sub
through
our
engineer
of
record.
That's
where
this
40
000
is
coming
from,
so
he's
kind
of
gotten
ahead
of
of
the
contract.
If
you
will,
which
is
great,
it
moves
things
along,
but
it
also
means
that
you're
having
to
approve
payment
for
work-
that's
already
been
finished.
If
you
don't
that's,
that's
unfortunate
and
and
I
can
work
out
how
that
has
to
happen.
It
may
just
be
unfortunate.
N
AD
AA
You
know
what
we
need
is
we
need
to
move
forward
with
the
design
if
we're
going
to
move
this
project
forward,
and
if
you
approve
that
we're
going
to
spend
forty
thousand
dollars
with
our
engineer
and
it's
going
to
finish
the
design
and
then
we'll
put
it
out
the
bid
and
then
you'll
see
a
number
for
the
construction.
If
that
number
is
2
high
and
we
don't
like
it
and
we
don't
spend
it,
but
you
will
still
have
the
design
you
will
have
paid
for
the
design.
AA
A
And-
and
you
know,
I
I'm-
trying
to
figure
out
a
way.
How
do
we
do
this
without
having
to
commit
to
spending
forty
thousand
dollars
before
we
have
something?
Comes
back,
I
mean
you
know,
I
I,
think
it's
a
wonderful
idea.
It's
not
an
issue,
but
not
at
any
cost.
I
mean
I.
Don't
want
to
be
accused
of
being
irresponsible
because
we're
building
a
glass
house
for
a
Jitney,
that's
very
important
to
the
history
of
Tarpon
Springs,
without
considering
what
the
cost
would
be.
A
In
other
words,
once
we
bite
into
the
Forty
thousand
dollars,
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
say
no
to
something
once
we're
in
forty
thousand
dollars
and
I
don't
want
to
get
in
that
situation
or
if
it
comes
back
as
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
house
and
we've
spent
forty
thousand
dollars,
then
it's
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
That's
the
Dilemma
that
I'm
having
right.
A
AD
A
I
remember
it
was
some
time
ago
anyway,
so
I
I
just
want
to
be
responsible,
that's
all
and,
and
it
would
a
design
build
approach,
be
feasible
to
wrap
that
into
the
the
40
000.
Although
it's
a
little
bit
different
when
you're
talking
about
having
to
do
civil
engineering
to
build
a
building
and
you're
wanting
one
contractor,
that's
going
to
do
the
building
construction
and
the
Civil
work
that
to
me
is
a
little
more
challenging
to
find
somebody.
That's
going
to
do
that,
because
he's
going
to
have
to
subcontract
the
work
anyway
for.
A
Right,
so
that's
that's
I.
I
would
support
that,
but
not
to
spend
forty
thousand
dollars
before
we
find
out
before
then
we
put
it
out
the
bid
and
then
we
come
back
with
some
big
sticker
shock
on
it.
Because
then
it's
we
don't
do
it.
We
still
I
know
what
you're
saying
Bob
Mr
Robertson
we're
we've
got
the
design,
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
that
means
other
than
we've
got
the
design
so
and
I'm.
You
know
if
it's
not
ready
to
spin
at
that
time
and
we've
got
other
priorities
that
pop
up.
A
AB
A
AB
A
A
Yes,
let
me
again
cut
to
the
chase
on
this
one.
Is
there
any
reason
why
we
couldn't
do
a
design
build
on
it
in
order
to
to
kind
of
get
past?
This
thing.
AD
Well,
usually,
the
design
build
is
because
you're
trying
to
it's
one
stop
shopping,
but
we've
already
done
all
of
the
design,
except
for
the
civil
and
the
Civil
number,
quite
honestly,
I
think
is,
is
relatively
High
I
wasn't
anticipating
forty
thousand
dollars?
Well,
actually
it
probably
the
the
amount
of
structural
structural
work,
mechanical
and
electrical.
All
of
that
together
is
only
fifty
four
hundred
dollars
that
you
would
be
committing
to
now.
AD
Then,
there's
you
know
sixteen
hundred
dollars
during
the
construction
process
overseeing,
but
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
start
until
we
actually
start
the
building,
so
the
design
build
is
generally
for
when
you,
when
you
say
well,
we
have
a
concept
for
a
building
and
this
is
go
ahead
and
you
hire
the
architect.
You
hire
the
engineers,
you
hire
everybody,
you
know
in
that
kind
of
situation.
It
makes
makes
sense,
although
it's
real
hard
to
get
Apples
to
Apples,
you
know
be
competitive
in
a
design,
build
situation.
A
Well,
I
that
I'm,
not
that's
my
whole
point.
I
mean
I
still
think
that
you've
got
the.
On
the
other
hand,
I
would
rather
separate
the
two,
the
Civil
work
and
the
in
the
in
the
building
construction
separately.
A
At
least
that
way,
you
could
put
the
building
out
the
bid.
If
what
you're
saying
is
it's
complete
design?
Already
you
put
that
building
out
the
bid,
let's
see
what
it
comes
back
at
and
then,
if
it's
something
that
we
could,
you
know,
find
a
contractor
to
do
the
as
an
ad
alternate
to
some
of
the
other
projects
that
we're
doing
for
them
to
address
that
as
well.
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
what
how
long
these
bids
are
good
for
from
these
contractors
and
things
and.
A
Mean
I
I,
just
I
just,
would
feel
a
little
more
comfortable,
I
I
know
you
all
had
a
conversation
that
you
rolled
the
in
the
electrical
and
the
HVAC
or
the
climate
control
in
with
the
numbers,
but
they
weren't
on
the
HUD
estimate,
and
you
know,
I'm
just
having
a
little
dilemma
right
now,
trying
to
move
forward.
L
AA
Get
us
to
a
point
where
we
can
get
to
a
the
next
Milestone
cost
estimate.
We
would
need
to
finish
the
MEP
design
right.
That's.
AD
AA
Okay,
so
that
part
plus
well
really
the.
AD
Building
envelope
is
completely
designed.
It's
just
a
question.
Originally
I
was
thinking
we'd,
be
able
to
do
that
within
house
city
city,
folks
of
just
simply
being
able
to
with
doing
a
little
bit
of
Street
work
where
we
get
the
water
to
run
around
the
building
that
that
all
sounds
real
simple,
but
you.
AD
AA
Done
by
somebody
else,
I'm
a
bit
hesitant
to
do
it
in
two
pieces:
I
guess:
I'll
call
you
chairman,
you're
Mr,
chair
of
the
CRA
board,.
A
AA
Understand
where
you're
coming
from
I'm
a
bit
hesitant
to
go
that
way,
because
if
we
put
the
building
out
no
contractor
is
going
to
see
that
all
by
itself,
they're
going
to
want
to
know
the
site
conditions
and
if
they
don't
know
the
site
conditions
they're
going
to
throw
a
big
number
in
there
to
mitigate
that
risk.
So
I
I
worry
that
we're
still
going
to
have
the
same
issue.
AA
A
A
AD
AD
AD
A
A
A
I
would
prefer
to
take
that
approach
right
now,
just
to
have
a
little
more
Fidelity
in
the
numbers
rather
than
basing
it
on
the
you
know
the
I
don't
this
is
the
way
we
normally
do
things
in
a
normal
environment,
but
this
project
environment
isn't
normal
right
now.
So
well,.
AD
The
only
thing
I
would
suggest,
though,
is
that,
as
as
Mr
Robertson
said,
that
the
Civil
work
to
be
a
piece
of
the
puzzle,
is
it's
just
such
a
critical
piece
and
and
to
give
you
all
good,
accurate
information
like
okay,
the
building
comes
in
right,
where
I
sit
or
actually
a
little
low.
It's
going
to
come
in
at
you
know,
eighty
five
thousand
dollars.
AD
AD
We
need
that
civil
civil
peace
and
whether
we
use
it
now
or
whether
we
use
it
in
two
years
from
now
or
whether
we
even
raise
we
say,
okay.
Well,
let's
go
raise
some
money
ourselves.
If
the
CRA
isn't
going
to
do
it,
you
know,
let's
maybe
we'll,
have
a
benefactor,
a
step
forward
and
say
you
know,
I'll
write
a
check
for
200
Grand,
that's
worth
it
so!
Well,
you
know
I,
don't
know,
but
we
need
the
drawing
to
be
because
we're
kind
of
yeah
we
need
to
move.
AD
AD
N
AD
A
I,
just
you
know
fool
me
once
shame
on
you
fool
me
twice.
Shame
on
me
and
I:
don't
want
to
have
a
repeat
at
the
clerk's
office,
I'd
love
what
we
did
with
the
clerk's
office
I'd.
Do
it
again
today,
but
we've
I've
learned
a
lesson
from
that.
Given
this
environment,
we
need
to
be
smart
and
how
we
proceed.
Sure.
AD
A
If,
if
this,
the
the
the
enclosure
for
the
Jitney
is
extremely
important,
historically,
it's
not
critical,
it's
not
essential.
It
is
important,
it's
not
even
urgent.
At
this
point,
the
clerk's
office
is
urgent.
We
had
problems
with
leakage,
all
kinds
of
issues
with
that,
so
we
needed
to
move
on
and
provide
an
alternative
for
that.
But
in
this
particular
case,
I,
don't
see
that
and
I
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
a
wonderful
addition,
but
again
not
it
at
any
cost.
Bob.
G
Do
you
think
I
mean
I
think
the
whole
case
is
they
want
if
there's
a
way
to
find
out
the
engineering
and
the
building
together
maybe
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
look
how
we
can
get
I
can
see.
That's
important
to
someone
telling
hey
a
company
is
going
to
build
it
and
they're
going
to
do
this
civil
engineering
and
here's
the
price.
So
we
know
it
defended
the
price
now.
What
is
that
on
a
design
Bill?
What
variation
can
we
work
with
Janine
and
stuff
to
do
something
like
that?
G
I
think
we're
seeing
maybe
it's
important
to
get
this
through,
that
we're
gonna
have
to
figure
out
if
there's
a
way
to
go
back
to
that
drawing
board
and
find
out.
Is
there
a
process
and
a
bidding
to
use
to
get
that
price
of
the
building
with
the
engineering
Incorporated
in
it?
So
we
have
that
price.
Wouldn't.
A
That
what
okay
you
weren't
in
a
meeting
today
with
Paul
Smith
and
Janina,
correct.
AA
A
I
AA
A
G
A
A
L
AA
At
a
minimum,
I
think
we
can
go
back
and-
and
you
and
I
can
work
together
and
and
refine
that
cost
estimate
a
little
bit
more
and
make
sure
that
we
feel
comfortable
a
little
bit
more
confident
in
the
hundred
and
three
hundred
and
four
thousand
dollar
construction
cost
estimate.
If
that,
if
that
comes
to
be,
then
maybe
we'll
come
back
to
the
CRA
and
and
tell
you
that
we've
done
some
preliminary
civil
investigation,
I
could
probably
have
the
eor
under
one
of
my
miscellaneous
Services
contracts.
A
L
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
O
There
I
want
to
make
a
motion
that
table
is
to
date
date
in
the
future.
O
AC
A
A
N
I
N
A
O
A
Authorization
to
proceed
with
some
of
four
railroad
signal:
restoration,
Mr
Robertson,
thank.
AA
You
so
keeping
this
real
brief
we'd
like
to
disassemble
the
the
signal
Mast
arm.
That's
the
historical
signal
arm
there.
That's
a
train
depot,
take
it
down
sandblast
it
powder
coat
it
and
reassemble
it,
and
it's
the
same
location,
various
rusted,
bolts
and
pins
that
were
that
are
in
the
the
mass
would
be
replaced
with
stainless
steel
parts
to
help
it
last
longer,
and
the
project
would
also
include
attaching
replica
semaphore
signal
arms
in
the
backup,
I
provided
photos
and
images
of
what
that
would
look
like,
and
that
is
the
item
Mr
chair.
AA
A
Thank
you
forget
that
public
comments.
Please
are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
A
Okay,
Commissioners
vice
mayor
alone,.
I
O
It's
a
historic
piece
that
needs
to
be
maintained.
I
support
this.
I
For
the
for
the
railroad
cross,
semaphore
railroad
signal
restoration
project
is.
AB
AB
A
K
Just
want
to
remind
everybody,
this
Friday
November
11th
at
11
A.M,
we'll
be
having
our
cities
Veterans
Day
ceremony
down
at
Craig
Park
at
the
war
memorial.
A
A
This
is
your
last
meeting
with
us.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
in
putting
up
with
us
for
three
or
four
meetings
anyway
and
and
hope
to
see
you
in
the
future.
Thank.
G
I
just
want
to
relate
to
it
was
in
this
whole
process
when
we
lost
the
City
attorney
for
her
to
give
me
that
assurances
that
at
least
we
get
the
first
three
boc.
That
was
a
big
burden
off
my
chest.
To
be
able
to
start
working
on
the
temporary,
so
I
want
to
thank
her
again
for
the
little
help.
She'll
give
us
along
the
way
I
want
to.
Thank
you
a
lot
for
all
those
years.
We
worked
together
and
you're
doing
that.
For
me,
it
made
my
life
a
lot
easier.
So
thank.
AB
Just
one
thing:
Irene
wanted
me
to
announce
that
we
are
still
seeking
applications
from
our
residents
for
some
of
our
boards,
especially
our
Board
of
adjustment.
We
need
some
applications,
so
if
anybody
wants
to
serve
on
the
board
fill
out
enough,
yes.
G
We
will
be
bringing
it
back
next
week
and
we
only
have
one
and
I
think
there's
three
slots
it'd
be
nice
for
the
board
of
adjustments.
We
would
bring
at
least
one
more.
So
all
of
you
and
your
calls
and
your
friends
and
your
list
at
least
one
two
would
be
great
but
another
one
to
so.
We
could
put
two
on
next
week
would
greatly
help
so
yeah.
A
Let's
go
Vice
Maryland.
Do
you
have
any
comments.
I
Actually,
I
have
no
comments
except
to
to
thank
you
again
for
being
here
and
hope
to
see
you
soon.
Thank.
I
H
Commissioner
I
want
to
thank
the
attorney
for
filling
in.
It's
been
a
pleasure,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
chief,
because
we've
had
some
conversations
back
and
forth
with
a
number
of
situations
that
have
gone
on
and
the
police
force
has
been
amazing.
Chief's
been
amazing,
he's
kept
us
very
much
informed
and
I
just
want
to
thank
him
publicly
and
I
want
to
thank
Mark
as
well.
We've
actually
gotten
through
easy
tiger.
H
We've
actually
got
through
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
that
that
that
I
was
impressed
with
we've
been
able
to
move
this
city
along
quite
well.
So
thank
you.
J
Mered
I'd
like
to
read
this
letter
that
we
received
on
October
25th
into
the
record
and.
A
A
It
won't
take
that
long,
but
do
I
have
a
second
second.
AB
N
J
Okay,
so
this
letter
was
received-
and
this
was
from
at
cause
law
office-
it
was
dated
October
25th
2022
is
address
dear
commissioner
kuyas,
commissioner
Eisner
and
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
Please
be
advised
that
this
Law
Office
represents
terapani
bantha
and
Associates
LLC
a
Florida
limited
liability
company.
J
Regarding
the
above
stated
matter,
it
has
come
to
our
attention
that
you
have
been
engaging
in
a
campaign
of
false
negative
press
against
our
clients,
Partners
Mr,
Townsend,
tarapani
and
Mr
David
banther
and
their
family
names
in
an
attempt
to
harm
our
clients,
reputation
in
the
eyes
of
the
residents
at
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
the
area
in
which
our
clients
conducts
the
majority
of
its
business.
These
statements
concern
Mr,
Terry,
panties
and
Mr.
Banther's
allege
actions
in
connection
with
developer
the
Morgan
group
and
a
certain
development
project
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
J
Many
of
the
statements
which
are
the
subject
of
this
letter
occurred
during
the
Border
commissioner's
comments
on
the
above
reference
subject
that
the
meeting
held
on
October
11,
2010
22,
specifically
on
the
subject
of
our
clients,
Partners
commissioner
kulias
alleged,
that
they
conducted
backdoor
deals
to
try
to
get
projects
done
in
connection
with
Morgan
group's
development
project.
Commissioner
kuyas
continued
by
insinuating
that
our
clients
Partners
engaged
in
criminal
conduct.
However,
within
the
same
allegations,
he
states
that
we
couldn't
prove
it
while
purporting
to
present
these
statements
as
facts.
J
Mr
coulias
also
admits
that
the
Board
of
Commissioners
does
not
know
what
was
actually
said
in
any
communication.
He
calls
attention
to.
You
should
be
aware
that
the
Florida
recognizes
the
tort
of
defamation
per
se
in
situations
where
the
the
publishing
part
party
falsely
accuses
the
plaintiff
of
committing
a
crime.
J
In
addition
to
spoken
statements,
the
third
parties,
the
public
Mr
kuyas,
has
continued
to
publish
written
statements,
including
multiple
comments
on
facebook.com,
accusing
our
client
Mr
tarapani
and
his
entire
family
of
being
Hypocrites
engaged
in
alleged
wrongdoing
and
Mr
banther
of
nepotism
and
wrongdoing
in
the
form
of
a
good
old
boy
Network
in
connection
with
the
Morgan
groups
development
project.
One
such
statement
appears
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times,
where
Mr
Coolio's
comments
on
the
Board
of
Commissioners
vote
to
hire
special
counsel
to
investigate
the
legality
of
Staff
discussions
with
a
developer
of
a
major
apartment.
J
Complex
Mr
kuya
states
that
if
such
special
counsel's
investigation
determines
that,
there's
nothing
there
than
Mr
kuleos
wants
a
second
one.
This
demonstrates
the
ongoing
nature
of
statements
causing
irreparable
reputational
harm
to
our
client
and
suggest
that
the
Board
of
Commissioners
will
spend
taxpayer
dollars
to
fund
unnecessary
investigations
for
the
sole
purpose
of
damaging
our
client.
It
appears
that
your
verbal
and
written
statements,
as
described
above,
were
made
with
knowledge
that
such
statements
were
false
or
with
Reckless
regard
of
whether
they
were
false
or
not.
J
This
is
particularly
evident
from
Mr
coyass,
a
statement
that
alleged
wrongdoing
through
phone
calls
between
the
developer
and
one
or
more
our
clients
Partners
whilst
item
while
simultaneously
stating
that
we
do
not
know
what
was
discussed.
While
our
client
recognizes
that
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
has
the
right
to
engage
in
lawful
government
activity,
such
activity
does
not
include
so-called
smear
campaigns
against
local
business
owners.
Additionally,
the
nature
of
your
statements,
especially
those
on
social
media,
makes
them
beyond
the
scope
of
your
position
as
a
commissioner.
J
Thus
subjecting
you
to
personal
liability
therefore,
is
hereby
demanded
that
you
cease
and
desist
from
making
further
deformatory
verbal
and
written
statements
about
our
client
business
partners
and
their
families
in
such
a
manner,
including,
but
not
limited
to
public
forums,
social
media
websites
and
the
Press.
Failure
to
do
so
will
result
in
the
law
firm,
informing
our
client
of
its
rights
against
you,
including
the
filing
of
a
lawsuit
seeking
damages
and
injunctive
relief.
Accordingly,
this
letter
is
sent
as
a
condition
precedent
to
filing
a
lawsuit.
J
Please
further
accept
this
letter
as
a
written
demand
for
your
insurance
information
and
connection
with
our
clients.
Potential
defamation
claim
and,
as
you
are
now
notice
of
potential
litigation,
you
are
required
to
take
all
necessary
steps
to
preserve
and
not
destroy,
conceal
or
alter
any
and
all
Communications
and
documents
relevant
to
this
matter,
including
by
a
way
of
example,
without
limitation,
email,
sex
and
self-destructing
messages,
social
media
posts,
voicemails
records
files
and
other
data
whenever
located
and
regardless
of
the
format
or
media
purposefully.
Destruction
of
such
evidence
could
result
in
penalties,
including
legal
sanctions.
J
Our
office
may
be
contacted
via
email,
mail
or
by
telephone
at
the
information
provided
above.
If
you
wish
to
discuss,
sincerely
Ashley,
May
Warren
and
not
see
me,
and
so
what
I
will
say
is
Tarpon
Springs
I
work
for
you,
I
work
for
the
residents
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
silenced
from
the
truth,
I'm
not
going
to
be
science
for
looking
out
for
the
city's
best
interest,
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
silenced
into
reading
factual,
correct
documents
that
are
public
information
and
which
I
will
read
this
one.
J
It
was
very
nice
to
meet
with
you
yesterday
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
myself
and
City
staff
to
share
your
concept
for
the
site
and
how
important
this
project
is
to
us
for
the
future
growth
of
Tarpon
Springs
I,
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
and
I
hope
to
be
working
with
you
in
the
Morgan
group
best
regards
David
banther
vice
mayor
I
also
have
five
other
documents
that
I
want
to
bring
into
the
record
just
for
just
for
the
sake
of
disclosure
and
transparency.
J
This
form
right
here
is
form
a
b.
It's
a
memorandum
of
the
voting
Conflict
for
County,
Municipal
and
other
local
public
officers.
It
is
dated
December,
8th
2020
with
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
involving
the
Anclote
Harbors
project
and
it
states
I,
Town
Center
terrapini
hereby
disclose
that
on
December
8
2020,
a
measure
came
or
will
come
before
my
agency,
which,
and
this
box
is
checked
and
nored
to
my
special
private
gain
or
loss.
J
The
other
box
is
checked
where
it
says
and
nor
to
the
special
gain
or
loss
of
my
relative,
slash,
stepmother
and
father,
and
it
reads
at
the
bottom
with
the
notes.
Members
of
my
family
are
working
for
this
applicant,
which
ignored
a
special
gain
or
loss
to
myself
and
them
it's
assigned
December
16
2020.
J
We
also
have
another
conflict
of
interest
document,
which
was
dated
for
the
meeting
of
January
7
2021
with
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
in
which
it's
the
disclosure
of
the
local
officer's
interest.
I
towns
and
tarapani
hereby
disclose
that
on
January
7th
2021,
a
measure
came
or
will
come
before
my
agency,
which
check
one
or
more
and
the
check
box
is
and
nor
to
my
special
private
gain
or
loss.
J
We
have
another
spec
voting,
conflict
of
County,
Municipal
and
other
local
public
officers.
It
is
for
the
the
meeting
of
October
26
2021.
J
And
it
says:
I
Townsend
Tara
Penny
hereby
disclose
that
on
October
26
2021
a
measure
came
or
will
come
before
my
agency,
which
check
one
or
more.
But
this
time
there's
only
one
area
checked
on
this
box
and
it
says
in
order
to
the
special
gain
or
loss
of
my
relative,
a
special
gain
or
loss
of
my
relative.
So
there's
a
difference
between
the
previous
two
and
this
current
one.
J
In
which
I
Townsend
Terry
Penny
hereby
disclosed
that
on
November
9th
2021,
a
measure
came
or
will
come
before
my
agency,
which
ignored
and
this
box
is
checked,
ignored
the
special
gain
or
loss
of
my
relative
and
Nord
to
the
special
gain
or
loss
of
myself
plus
family.
So
the
wording
keeps
to
be
changed
from
letter
to
letter
and
here's.
The
final
voting
conflict
of
interest,
which
is
dated
for
the
meeting
of
December
14
2021.
J
I
towns
in
terrapini
hereby
disclose
that
on
December
14
2021,
a
measure
came
or
will
come
before
my
agency,
which,
and
this
box
is
checked
inord
to
the
special
gain
or
loss
of
my
relative
and
inside
the
notes
is
concerned.
Citizens
at
Tarpon,
Springs
versus
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
case
number
21-0030-ap.
J
So
these
documents
seem
to
have
been
different
as
the
months
went
by
and
the
conflict
of
interest
papers
were
filled
out
from
personal
gain
to
a
relative
game,
and
so
these
are
factually
correct
and
accurate
documents.
We
would
not
be
science
from
telling
the
truth
for
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
being
there
to
fight
for
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs,
no
matter
what
thank
you
board.
A
All
right,
my
turn,
I
just
want
to
I'm
looking
forward
for
veteran
state
chief
I,
think
that's
going
to
be
a
very
nice
Affair
and
I'm
hoping
the
commission
can
be
there
as
well.
It's
been
a
very
busy
time.
I
know:
we've
got
a
lot
of
extracurricular
activities
that
we
need
to
finish
up
on
and
that's
taken
us
away
from
a
lot
of
things
and
and
just
a
very
quick
update,
I
know.
A
Some
of
you
are
going
to
ask
me
about
the
basically
the
progress
as
far
as
the
search
committee
search,
consultants
and
stuff,
and
this
whole
issue
that
we've
been
we're
dealing
with
right
now
has
kind
of
gotten
in
the
way
so
I'll
get
back
to
that.
Once
the
table
gets
cleared
and
I've
talked
to
the
city
manager
about
it
as
well
and
I'll
have
some
more
information
for
you,
but
it
won't
be
till
a
little
later,
at
least
so
just
be
patient
with
that.
So
okay,
I
haven't
forgotten
them
and
I
ignored
it.