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A
A
A
B
B
Good
evening,
please
borrow
heads
for
our
opening
prayer-
dear
heavenly
father.
First,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
these
men
and
women
who
have
dedicated
their
lives
to
serve
this
community
to
serve
this
city.
I
pray
that
you
bless
the
work
of
their
hands
that
you
guide
them
as
they
tackle
challenges
god.
I
pray
also
your
blessing
upon
their
personal
lives
and
their
families,
and
now,
as
they
begin
this
meeting,
I
just
pray
that
your.
D
A
Started
I've
got
one
announcement
all
of
item
22
concerning
the
new
car
wash
and
the
existing
billboard
sign
at
the
northwest
corner
of
klosterman
road
in
us19,
specifically,
applications
22-170
and
22-168
have
been
deferred
to
the
meeting
of
august
23rd.
A
We
have
23
items
this
evening,
so
it's
going
to
get
actually
22
now,
but
the
estimated
adjournment
is
10.55,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
have
a
special
presentation
right
now,
claire
if
your
parents
and
mr
pinella
can
come
forward.
If
I
can
have
the
entire
commission
and
charter
officials
come
up
forward.
Please
you
too,
tom.
A
This
is
a
very
special
presentation.
You,
you
discover
these
little
treasures
every
now
and
then
in
tarpon
springs
and
claire.
Bowie
is
a
special
treasure
that
not
many
people.
A
Florida
hereby
present
this
certificate
in
special
recognition
for
excellence
in
wrestling
and
scholastic
achievement
to
clear
bowie
claire
is
the
boo.
Is
the
daughter
of
keith
and
jerry
bowie
standing
right
behind
her
claire
in
her
accomplishments?
Is
the
2022
fargo
junior
national
champion
she's,
the
2022
and
2021
florida
high
school
girl
state
wrestling
champion?
A
She's
ranked
in
the
top
10
in
the
country
for
weight
class
and
her
great
gpa
as
far
as
apparent
this
would
be
one
of
my
better
parts.
Her
gpa
is
a
4.3
and
she's
also
been
accepted
to
wyoming
state
wyoming
cemetery
seminary
in
pennsylvania,
in
witness
whereof
of
this
certificate
is
presented
by
direction
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida.
A
In
addition,
you
live
here
in
tarpon
springs,
so
you're
automatically
a
sponger,
but
we'd
like
to
give
you
these
small
mementos
that
you
can
carry
with
you
wherever
you
go
in
your
future
travels
at
least
remember
where
your
hometown
has
been
so
here
you
go.
Thank
you.
Let
me
give
you
this
bag.
That
goes
along
with
that.
A
I'll.
Give
that
to
your
mom
and
dad
there
you
go.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
wish
you
all
success
in
the
world,
everybody
that
is
of,
I
won't
say
our
staff
is
very
significant,
but
we've
got
all
our
charter
officials.
Our
commissioners
are
up
here,
mr
pinella.
The
boli
center
is
up
here,
that's
it
so
we
all
wish
you
greatest
success
and
does
any
commissioner
vice
mayor.
Anybody
would
like
to
make
any
comments.
Congratulations.
A
H
A
B
B
The
fire
chief
in
palm
harbor
also
expressed
his
disapproval
of
the
roundabout,
citing
that
the
roundabout
serves
as
a
road
impediment
in
that
it
obstructs
emergency
vehicles.
To
my
understanding,
alternate
u.s
highway
19
is
the
only
designated
highway
in
florida
to
have
such
roundabout
development
proposed.
B
The
roundabout
on
alternate
19
is
not
a
warranted
form
of
infrastructure,
as
90
to
95
percent
of
the
vehicles
travel
in
a
north
to
south
direction.
Only
five
percent
of
the
traffic
enters
the
road
at
right
angles
and
the
location
utilizes
a
standard
four-way
stop.
The
roundabout
does
not
serve
to
decongest
our
roadways.
B
Such
impediment
is
counterproductive
in
alleviating
our
traffic
congestion
in
pinellas
county
times
square
in
new
york
city
does
not
have
a
roundabout
in
comparing
big
apples
with
oranges.
Why
should
I?
Why
should
alternate
19
in
palm
harbor
be
forced
against
our
will
to
bear
such
imposition
that,
ultimately,
is
a
misappropriated
cost
for
the
residents
to
bear.
The
county
has
appropriated
2.6
million
dollars
to
construct
this
roundabout.
That
is
deliberately
intended
to
impede
the
efficiency
of
vehicular
travel
in
order
to
alleviate
traffic
congestion
in
an
effective
manner.
B
B
J
J
J
My
intent
is
the
best
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
the
best
of
the
residents
of
tarpon
springs,
and
for
several
years
now
I've
been
asking
this
board
to
please
look
into
the
billing
practices
of
our
contracted,
attorneys
and
guess
what
somebody
finally
did
it
just
a
few
weeks
into
his
job.
Mr
I'm
sorry,
commissioner,
mike
eisner
read
the
contract
found
out
that
our
attorneys
were
indeed
in
breach
of
contract
and
were
over
billing
the
resident
now
that
could
have
been
done
a
long
time
ago
by
anybody
who's
set
on
this
diet.
J
A
culture
of
just
turning
a
blind
eye,
so,
hopefully
that's
going
to
change.
So.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eisner
for
doing
the
right
thing,
stepping
up
as
a
new
commissioner
and
doing
your
job
saving
the
residents
untold
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
dollars
over
the
next
many
years
now
somebody
could
sit
back
and
do
the
math
and
find
out
how
much
could
have
been
done
by
others
if
they
had
stepped
up
and
asked
them
to
stop
doing
that.
By
the
way,
I
believe
they've
agreed
to
stop
bilking
the
residents
in
this
fashion.
J
J
J
J
It's
nothing
personal
at
all.
I
don't
even
know
many
of
you
personally,
so
I
wouldn't
care.
If
you
stole
from
an
employer,
I
don't
if
you
are
employed
by
someone
and
you're
stealing
from
them,
that's
between
you
and
them,
but
if
somebody's
taking
away
money
from
the
residents
of
tarpon
springs,
that
has
to
be
stopped
and
that's
what
I'm
speaking
out
about
and
that's
all
this
has
been
about
and
by
the
way
mr
clay,
colson's
lawsuit
against
the
city
still
stands,
and
the
city
filed
a
response
to
his
motion.
J
H
Well,
first
of
all,
I
think
I
addressed
most
of
the
issues
last
time.
I
think
that
the
travel
charges
were
in
fact
warranted
and
agreed
to
years
ago,
but
we
have
decided
for
those
couple
of
hours
a
month
that
we
would
not
be
charging
travel
charges
to
the
city
any
longer,
and
I
advised
the
commission
on
that
the
following
morning,
based
upon
the
discussion
that
was
at
the
last
meeting,
it
is
not
worth
it
to
me
or
my
firm
to
be
questioned
about
that
or
to
amend
my
contract
to
address
it.
K
K
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
here
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
introduce
ourselves
and
say
who
we
are.
I
am
a
mother
and
I'm
a
florida
native.
I
have
two
daughters
who
have
attended
pinellas
county
schools
from
kindergarten
all
the
way
up
until
now
in
high
school.
K
K
I
Sing
joyfully
to
the
lord
you
righteous.
It
is
fitting
for
the
upright
to
praise
him
praise
the
lord,
with
the
harp
make
music
to
him
on
the
ten
string
liar
sing
to
him.
A
new
song
play
skillfully
and
shout
for
joy,
for
the
word
of
the
lord
is
right
and
true,
and
he
is
faithful
in
all.
He
does
and
the
lord
loves
righteousness
and
justice.
F
I
I
But
the
development
all
around
is
engulfing
us
engulfing
us
and
you
are
the
stewards
of
our
local
area
now
onto
a
more
practical
matter.
I
would
like
to
thank
I'm
sure,
with
the
cooperation
of
the
police
department,
the
placement
of
the
stop
signs
at
reed
and
grand
needed
effective
now
that
he
has
control
over
distant
south
distant
and
I've
said
this
before
those
people.
Part
of
their
problem
is
the
speeding
on
distance
between
klostermann
and
curlew.
I
I
I
I
come
to
the
meetings
and
for
me
to
leave
that
meeting
was
killing
me
because
it
really,
I
didn't
see
it
effective
more.
It
was
more
a
show
of
usf
trying
to
show
their
technology.
They
could
have
sent
you
all
of
those
survey
stuff
filled
it
out,
come
back
and
gave
you
the
results,
and
you
could
have
talked
about
it
in
public.
You
all
spent
more
time
trying
to
load
a
picture
and
polls
and
all
that
stuff
and
the
discussion
got
lost.
So
I
know
we
want
to
move
into
technology.
I
That
was
a
good
testing
ground,
but
I
think,
as
someone
who
was
here
and
then
tried
to
watch
it
when
I
got
back
home
and
just
seeing
screens
of
q
codes
and
then
survey
stuff
you
couldn't
read-
I
mean
it,
it's
great,
maybe
for
them
to
have
these
type
of
presentations
to
go
but
effectively
y'all
should
have
gotten
the
survey
filled.
It
out
got
it
back,
they
could
have
come
back
with
the
results
and
y'all
could
have
discussed
the
various
issues,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
things
in
that
pamphlet.
F
I
A
A
Before
we
move
on,
I
I
just
want
to
say
you
know.
I
think
that
one
of
my
things
as
I'd
like
as
I've
said
before
I'd
like
to
be
kind
as
we
can
to
people,
especially
when
we
get
up
there
and
speak
everybody
up
here,
is
working
as
hard
as
they
can.
A
I
know
there's
some
questions
to
people,
sometimes
as
far
as
whether
that's
good
enough
for
them
and
then
certainly
we
don't
ever
think
it's
good
enough
for
us
either,
but
in
the
future,
if
we,
if
we
have
residents
that
get
up
and
basically
state
things
that
are
not
true,
I'm
gonna
either
myself
correct
them
or
I'm
gonna.
Ask
the
person
that
that
comment
is
directed
to
you.
A
If
they
wish
to
respond
to
it,
they
may
not
want
to,
and
that's
probably
the
best
approach,
but
in
the
spirit
of
fairness,
I
think
it's
it's
something
that
we
should
do
and
as
presiding
hofstra
with
these
meetings,
I'm
going
to
do
that,
we'll
just
move
ahead
and
be
as
constructive
as
we
can
and
do
the
best
job
that
we
can.
Thank
you.
A
Let's
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda
item.
One
is
authorized
execution
of
jolly
trolley
coastal
route
funding
agreement.
Item
two
is
approved:
grant
application
for
edward
byrne,
memorial
jag
direct
grant
program
item
three
is
award
file
number
two:
two
zero
one:
five,
eight
dash
n
dash
jl
food
miscellaneous
supplies.
A
Item
four
is
award
file
number
two:
two:
zero
one:
five
three
dash
c
dash
aes
wireless
data
voice
and
accessories
utilizing
national
association
and
master
agreement.
Number
m8176-1
number
five
is
award
file;
number
220125-b,
dash,
aes
supply,
deliver
and
install
above
ground
fuel
storage
tanks.
Item
six
is
increased
file
number
two:
one:
zero:
zero;
six,
seven
dash
c
dash
am
utilizing
school
board
of
pinellas
county
contract
21-060-0.
A
A
I
Okay,
peter
deluxe,
514
ashland
avenue
to
get
you
prepared:
five,
nine,
eleven
five
first
off,
I'm
curious
why
this
is
even
on
the
consent
agenda
versus
a
special
agenda,
because
this
is
over.
Fifty
thousand
dollars
is
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
thirty
nine
dollars.
Seventy
cents
for
above
ground
fuel
storage
tanks
and
the
reason
is
the
purpose
of
these
contracts.
Furnished
deliver
and
install
two
new
fuel
tanks,
diesel
and
ethanol
need
to
replace
the
city's
existing
fuel
tanks
due
to
age
and
a
secondary
containment
tank
leakage
from
the
diesel
tank.
I
It
says
now
single
surprises,
increase,
replace
worn
out
axles
and
wheels
on
the
sand
filters
at
an
estimated
cost
of
forty
thousand
dollars
and
then
the
memo
from
robert
marcinick.
It
says
an
estimated
forty
thousand
in
parts
are
currently
needed,
currently
needed
to
replace
the
existing
worn
out
axles
and
wheels
on
sand
filters.
I
So
there's
another
40
000
increase
on
sand
filters
for
the
wastewater
treatment
and
here's
another
item,
number
11,
which
is
a
new
award
a
new
award
for
here
it
is
authorized
expenditure
of
sixty
eight
thousand
six
hundred
and
forty
dollars
for
sand
filter
repairs
at
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
the
dry
system
and
rails
for
the
sand.
Filters
are
currently
worn
and
require
immediate
repair
and
replacement.
I
So
I
understand
the
urgency
of
all
of
these
things,
but
I
kind
of
wonder
how
all
this
crept
up
to
y'all
y'all
are
new.
So
where
was
the
previous
commission
on
this?
Were
they
not
being
informed
a
leaking
storage
tank
these
axles,
and
in
fact
it
says
it's
critical
to
keep
where's
the
f
that
clarifiers
remove
suspended
solids
from
waste
water
and
gravity
filters
provided
filtration
to
meet
f-dep
high-level
disinfection
requirements.
These
processes
are
essential
components
of
the
wastewater
facility
facility.
I
J
Just
just
briefly
go
over
that
issue
and
then
I'll
have
paul
come
up
for
the.
If
you
want
any
explanation
on
the
other
two
items
good
evening
tom
function,
public
works
director
yeah,
our
fuel
tanks
went
in
1996.
They
actually
have
a
inspection
port
which
we
we
inspected
four
times
a
year.
Dep
is
usually
there.
Along
with
inspections.
There
were
full
reports
on
it's
a
double
wall.
J
The
great
tanks
in
the
ground
are
double
walled,
so
to
make
sure
there's
no
leakage
from
from
the
inside
tank
before
it
actually
contaminates
the
ground.
We
discovered
it
for
a
few
months
ago
that
that
inner
wall
was
was
was
failed,
there's
no
contamination
of
ground
whatsoever,
and
this
is
actually
kind
of
normal
on
these
type
of
tanks.
When
it
comes
to
replacing
them.
A
Why
it's
on
the
consent,
instead
of
the
special
components
well,.
B
Yeah,
I'd
like
to
say
this
wastewater
item's,
actually
something
where
staff
was
working
in-house
to
keep
things
working
as
long
as
they
possibly
can.
It
was
actually
something
planned
to
do
for
next
year,
but
it's
a
case
of
a
heavy
piece
of
equipment
that
rolls
on
a
steel,
rail
and
it
reached
the
point
where
we
just
couldn't
keep
fixing
it
in
a
house
anymore.
We
actually
have
to
come
in
and
do
some
parts
and
construction
to
fix
it
and
make
it
work
more
permanently.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
items
two
through
twelve
roll
call.
Please,
commissioner,.
E
A
A
Yes,
okay
item
one,
commissioner
carr,
you
asked
for
this
to
be
pulled
off.
L
Yeah
thanks
mayor,
this
is
a
jolly
trolley
agreement
with
psta
and
it's
with
tarpon
springs,
pinellas,
county
and
clearwater
pinellas
county's
portion,
I
believe,
is
for
palm
harbor
and
the
request
is
53
000
a
year
with
an
escalator
of
six
percent
a
year
for
the
next.
I
forget
how
many
years
it
is
three
years
with
options
to
renew.
I
had
issues
with
this
contract
when
it
was
first
brought
up
to
the
board
a
few
years
back.
L
The
jolly
trolley
then
came
back
and
offered
some
advertisement
to
the
city
which
was
nice
to
receive,
but
one
of
the
problems
I
have
is
that
I
believe
that
tarpon
springs
is
underserved
in
public
transit.
Significantly.
L
One
thing
I'd
like
to
bring
your
attention
to
the
board
is
the
residents
and
the
businesses
of
tarpon
springs,
pay,
1.6
million
dollars
or
over
1.6
million
dollars
a
year
in
transit
tax,
and
I
believe
that
we
don't
get
the
service
as
residents
in
tarpon
springs
that
we
should
for
those
dollars
that
are
spent
with
that.
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
tonight
with
the
jolly
trolley.
L
I
know
they're
covering
the
majority
of
it
over
1.2
million
dollars
of
the
total
cost
between
the
clearwater
dune
palm
harbor
and
tarpon
springs,
but
I
do
believe
this
is
something
that
the
public
transit
authorities
should
be
fully
funding
and
not
asking
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
If
it's
basically
one
full-time
employee
that
we're
not
able
to
hire
because
of
the
jolly
trolley,
do
I
support
the
jolly
trolley?
I
love
the
idea
of
it.
L
A
Okay,
let
me
just
ask,
commissioner,
I'm
sorry
any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
I
should
ask
that
first
same
manager,
of
course,
did
you
want
to
offer
any
information
or
anything.
J
No
obviously,
I
was
here
for
his
previous
objections
on
this
guy
I
mean
it
is
what
it
is:
the
okay,
the
county
and
the
other
entities.
The
four
entities
are
negotiated
with
this.
This
is
what
we
all
came
up
with
in
the
contract,
and
you
see
either
us
in
with
that
trolley
or
or
not
in
with
the
trolley.
It
just
boils
down
to
that.
A
A
J
A
N
P
Thank
you
jane
good
evening,
everybody
again
for
the
record
sean
fleming
senior
benefits
consultant
with
the
gearing
group
everybody's
favorite
time
of
year,
medical
insurance
renewals.
But
overall
we
have
pretty
good
news.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
walk
you
through
a
little
bit
of
history
and
talk
about
where
we
are,
give
you
a
little
insight
kind
of
where
the
market
is
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
along
the
way
or
at
the
end,.
P
Let
me
try
the
old-fashioned
way
here,
I'll
jump
over
there
and
click
so
taking
a
look.
First
off,
the
city
is
fully
insured
for
all
lines
of
coverage.
So
what
that
means
for
everything
that
the
city
has
is
the
city
pays
a
premium
to
the
insurance
company
and
the
insurance
company
company
ultimately
takes
the
risk
on
the
cost
of
those
programs.
So
if
employees
have
more
claims
use
the
plan
higher
than
expect.
P
P
The
medical
plan
is
with
united
healthcare
through
that,
and
then
we
have
dental
vision
as
well
as
a
lot
of
the
other
coverages
there.
So
that's
just
a
little
overview
of
those
coverages
got
the
clicker
work
in
here.
So
taking
a
look
at
the
medical
plan
as
we
look
at
the
medical
plan
just
high
level
on
the
benefits,
so
employees,
if
they
go
to
the
doctor,
they
have
a
primary
care
copay
of
twenty
dollars,
forty
dollars.
P
If
they
go
to
the
specialist
150
for
the
emergency
room
and
then
if
they
go
into
the
hospital,
they
pay
a
deductible
and
they
have
an
out
of
pocket
max
of
2500
for
the
year.
So
worst
case
scenario,
if
you
have
a
real
costly
situation,
whether
that
be
an
orthopedic
surgery,
cancer
things
along
those
lines,
every
individual
has
a
cap
of
2
500
on
the
plan,
so
that's
really
the
protection
and
where
they're
looking
there.
P
We
had
25
overall
proposals
received
five
of
those
for
medical
coverage,
really
six
major
carriers
in
the
market.
So
you
got
just
about
everybody
to
bid
with
that.
We
also
looked
at
whether
or
not
it
made
sense
to
discontinue
the
clinic
at
that
point.
But
overwhelmingly
the
responses
came
in
the
insurance
carriers
realize
that
that
clinic
provides
a
reduction
in
claims
because
people
are
going
there
and
we're
shifting
those
costs
out
of
the
medical
plan.
P
So
the
most
competitive
rate
at
that
time
was
to
remain
with
the
florida
league
of
cities
at
a
reduction
of
two
percent.
Then
in
2021
we
were
able
to
get
no
increase
on
those
coverages,
so
ultimately
we're
still
two
percent
below
those
prior
years.
So
2022
we
did
rfp
for
some
ancillary
lines
of
coverage,
but
what
we
really
want
to
talk
about
first
is
kind
of
claims
experience,
so
claims
experience
is
when
employees
are
using
the
plan
when
they're
going
to
the
pharmacy
going
to
the
doctor
going
to
the
hospital.
P
What
the
insurance
company
is
looking
at
is
how
much
employees
are
spending
on
the
plan
for
those
services
and
what
we
do
is
we
graph
those
out
for
you
to
kind
of
make
it
easy?
I'm
a
little
bit
more
of
a
picture
guy
to
see
those
claims
per
employee
per
month,
so
we
take
total
claims
each
month
divided
by
a
number
of
employees
on
the
plan.
P
If
you
take
a
look
going
back
to
2017
and
18
levels,
we're
just
under
a
thousand
dollars
per
employee
per
month
in
claims
2019-20.
Obviously
we
had
a
month
or
two
there
where
a
lot
of
medical
services
weren't
provided.
So
you
see
that
little
bit
of
a
dip
but
2020
and
21
we've
trended
back
up,
but
overall
over
that
five-year
period,
the
city
is
doing
much
better
than
a
lot
of
your
counterparts
in
that
regard.
P
If
you
think
about
right
now,
medica
inflation
in
general,
we
all
know
where
those
numbers
are
typically
medical
inflation
or
that
cost
of
care
was
always
seven,
seven,
six
percent
higher
than
just
regular
inflation,
so
think
about
what
that
means,
and
what
that
would
look
like
on
that
graph.
We've
increased
11
percent
year
over
year,
if
regular,
inflation's
at
nine.
You
know
that
accounts
for
really
a
big
part
of
those
added
costs
is
that
inflationary
factor
so
overall
the
city's
really
doing
well
82
loss
ratio,
so
that
means
82
cents
on
every
dollar.
P
That's
paid
in
is
paid
out
and
claims
and
then
there's
a
margin
there
for
the
companies
to
recruit
doctors
network
all
those
things
pretty
much
right
in
the
line
for
a
group,
the
size
of
the
city.
P
So
what
does
that
mean?
Ultimately,
the
league
of
cities?
What
they
offered
was
a
five
percent
increase
to
the
rates
so
think
about
costs
are
up
11
year
over
year,
but
the
league
of
cities
has
come
in
and
proposed
only
a
five
percent
increase
to
those
medical
rates.
A
lot
of
our
other
entities
in
the
area
have
been
looking
at.
You
know:
kind
of
high
teen,
low,
teen
renewals
anywhere
in
that
13
to
17
percent.
P
So
overall,
5
increase
on
the
medical
is
definitely
a
much
better
position
than
a
lot
of
entities
in
the
surrounding
area.
That
includes
no
change
to
the
schedule
of
benefits,
so
the
employees
won't
see
added
costs
in
terms
of
copays
deductibles
and
then
no
change
to
the
health
center.
So,
ultimately,
the
recommendation
that
we're
putting
in
front
of
you
today
is
to
renew,
with
the
florida
league
of
cities
of
florida,
municipal
insurance,
trust
with
the
current
plan
and
then,
as
far
as
the
other
lines
of
coverage.
P
Essentially,
everything
else
is
no
increase.
The
one
changes
we
are
looking
at:
changing
the
flexible
spending
accounts,
so
there's
a
cost
there
of
about
1944
for
the
year.
P
A
A
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Commission.
Let's
see
if
you've
got
anything
vice
mayor
lon,
commissioner
carr
yeah.
L
I've
got
a
couple
questions.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
as
a
whole.
This
is
great
news
for
the
city,
five
percent
increase
with
what
was
just
shared
being
on
the
board
for
so
many
years.
These
numbers
are
kind
of
not
it's
not
normal,
to
see
only
a
single
digit
increase.
So
it's
good
for
our
budget.
It's
good
for
this
coming
year,
it's
good
for
our
residents,
it's
good
for
our
employees
with
all
these
benefits.
L
You
said
something
in
the
presentation
that
the
gearing
group
negotiated
with
florida
league
of
cities
to
obtain
the
renewal.
So
is
there
a
negotiation
in
that
process,
or
do
they
just
come
to
you
and
say,
look
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
five
percent
or
that
we
understand
you
guys,
went
out
to
bid
a
few
years
ago,
and
we
want
to
be
aggressive
with
this
too.
P
Yeah,
so
what
we
actually
do
kind
of
in
that
process
is
we
do
in
our
office
throughout
the
year
we're
getting
the
city's
claims
experience.
So
that's
that's
that
monthly
claims
utilization,
but
there's
also
one
other
factor,
which
is
what
we
call
catastrophic
claims.
So
we
look
at
any
claim
over
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
we
go
into
kind
of
looking
and
saying
you
know.
Okay,
this
claim
has
happened
one.
So,
let's
let
me
make
up
a
number.
P
You
could
have
a
million
dollars
in
claims
for
the
year,
but
900
000
of
it
could
theoretically
be
one
claim
right.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
at
those
large
claims
to
say
one:
are
they
an
anomaly
meaning
it
was.
You
know
something
like
an
accident.
So
even
though
there
was
a
cost
there
for
that,
what
we
do
as
a
part
of
that
negotiation
is
work
with
them
on
saying
hey
this
shouldn't
happen
again
next
year,
and
then
we
look
at
some
of
the
other
claims
to
say.
P
Maybe
there
was
a
significant
cost
with
that,
but
will
it
be
ongoing
or
not,
and
some
will
and
some
won't
so
as
we
do,
that
we
generate
a
projection
based
on
inflation
based
on
utilization
based
on
head
count
and
head
count,
changes,
and
then
obviously
you
know
the
carriers
have
kind
of
a
starting
point
where
they
want
to
get
to,
but
we
ultimately
have
a
point
that
we
feel
is
you
know
it
should
be
no
higher
than
this.
We
were
actually
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
five
percent.
At
the
end
of
the
day.
P
L
Yeah,
I
think
it's
great
news.
The
82
loss
ratio
is
that
common
is
that
kind
of
the
the
normal
number.
P
So
high
or
low
overall,
if
you
take
a
look
at
it,
so
every
group's
loss
ratio
is
going
to
be
different.
It's
a
function
of
two
things:
it's
a
function
of
those
claims,
but
it's
also
a
function
of
the
premium.
You
pay
right.
Two
entities
could
have
the
same
claims
per
employee,
but
one
could
be
paying
a
lot
more,
a
lot
less
so
industry-wide
on
a
group.
P
You
know
the
size
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
right
at
about
an
83
to
84
percent
loss
ratio
is
kind
of
break
even
for
the
so
that
lets
them
cover
their
expenses,
cover
their
costs
and
typically,
what
you'll
see
with
you
know.
A
break-even
type
loss
ratio
is
a
renewal
increase
in
line
with
medical
inflation,
which
is
going
to
be
in
that
probably
9
to
11
range
right
now
so,
overall,
just
using
that
as
kind
of
a
simple
benchmark
on
the
five
but
the
loss
ratio.
L
Just
I'll
try
to
wrap
it
up
a
couple
more
here
you
you
mentioned
that
the
other
cities
are
in
the
area
or
around
we're
seeing
mid
to
high
teens.
Are
those
cities
with
your
group
or
those
outside
of
your
group
combination.
P
P
P
L
L
F
Thank
you
mayor.
I
had
a
question:
is
there
any
possibility
that
when
they
do
a
negotiation
like
with
all
homeowners,
you
know
insurance
and
car
insurance?
You
all
make
a
a
decision
on
how
much
risk
incrementally
you'd
want
to
take
on.
Is
there
any
way
that
the
city
could
save
money
to
have
a
catastrophic,
as
you
said
earlier
type
for
those
who
want
to
take
that
risk,
I
mean
2500
may
mean
a
lot
to
some,
but
to
some
25
000.
F
Wouldn't
so
is
there
any
way
that
do
we
get
that
much
of
a
benefit
from
being
a
mass
300
employees,
or
is
it
easier
or
possibly
cheaper
for
us
to
do
a
hundred
here
or
a
hundred
there?
I'm
just
curious,
I'm
not
an
expert
at
this
at
all.
P
Yeah,
so
so
just
so,
I
understand
your
question
when
you
say
take
the
risk,
are
you
talking
more
kind
of
on
the
employee
level,
meaning
they
would
take
more?
So
what
you
can
do
is
you
can
have
multiple
plans
right.
You
could
have
one
plan
with
the
deductible
that
I
showed
you
for
yours
and
you
could
have
one
plan
with
a
5
000
deductible
and
that
plan
inherently
will
cost
less
in
that
regard.
P
So
you
would
ultimately
be
having
a
couple
of
plans
and
you
could
have
a
lower
premium
point
for
somebody
that
wanted
to
take
a
higher
level
of
risk
than
that.
The
one
thing
I'll
say
is
when
the
affordable
care
act
passed
back
in
2008
and
a
lot
of
the
provisions
came
in.
You
know:
2009
2010,
the
government
set
caps
on
maximum
out
of
pockets.
So
basically
that
worst
case
scenario-
if
I
have
you
know
a
really
bad
year,
I
get
a
bad
diagnosis.
P
There's
a
cap
on
the
most
that
I
can
pay
and
it's
in
the
8
000
range.
I
think
right
now,
so
you
can't
jump
up
to
so
to
speak.
That
25
30
000
range
because
ultimately,
the
government's
saying
that
doesn't
comply
with
the
level
of
coverage
you
need
to
offer
as
an
employer,
otherwise
you're
subject
to
a
penalty.
If
you
want
to
exceed
those
limits,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
option
in
having
multiple
plans
overall.
P
What
we
see,
though,
is
from
an
insurance
company's
point
of
view,
they're
looking
at
worst
case
scenario,
right,
they're,
not
worried
about
the
person
that
fills
a
prescription
a
month
and
goes
to
the
doctor
twice
a
year,
they're
worried
about
those
really
high
claims,
and
if
I
have
250
000
in
claims
for
the
year,
whether
my
maximum
out
of
pocket
is
5,
000
or
9.
000
really
doesn't
do
that
much
to
move
the
overall
price.
F
P
So
that
also
the
government
basically
regulated
with
the
affordable
care
act,
they
gave
a
list
of
kind
of
what
they
call
essential
health
services
and
all
plans.
You
can't
pick-
and
you
know,
pick
and
choose
some
of
those
benefits.
Basically,
you've
got
to
cover
all
the
major
stuff
regardless
on
the
plan.
So
there's
not
really
a
flexibility
to
you
know
kind
of
like
on
your
home.
You
could
say:
maybe
I
don't
want
to
buy
windstorm
I'll.
P
P
Flexible
spending,
yes,
so
a
flexible
spending
account
is
a
pre-tax
account
that
the
government
allows
an
employee
to
make
payroll
deductions
into
that
account
on
a
pre-tax
basis.
So
I
need
simple
numbers.
So
if
I
did
a
hundred
dollars
a
month
out
of
my
paycheck,
what
happens?
Is
I
get
twelve
hundred
dollars
essentially
available
to
me
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
to
use
for
qualified
expenses
such
as
copays
eyeglasses,
dental
care,
all
those
things,
and
I
have
that
money
available
to
me
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
P
I
make
those
payroll
deductions
throughout
those
12
months,
ultimately
to
true
that
up
by
the
end
of
the
year,
so
that's
and
and
to
the
presentation
we're
just
changing
the
vendors
on
the
flexible
spending
account
for
the
upcoming
year.
A
Commissioner,
commissioners,.
B
A
Think
we're
fortunate
that
it's
five
percent,
I
mean
that's
the
way
I
see
it
we're
extremely
lucky.
Last
year,
I'm
waiting
for
the
the
shoe
to
drop
and
the
it's
22
223
000
increase
is
over
what
we
paid
last
year
for
the
whole
package,
which
I
think
is
very
very
good
compared
to
what
we're
seeing
as
far
as
project
costs.
A
I
don't
know
that
you
got
into
this,
but
as
far
as
the
employee
satisfaction,
I
know
united
healthcare
was
their
hardcore
favorite
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we've
been
able
to
save
it
then
and
would
continue
along
with
that.
Is
that
pretty
much
still
the
case
now
they're
dead,
set
on
united
healthcare
and
they're
satisfied
with
it?
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying.
P
I
will
say
I
can
defer
partially
to
jane,
but
from
our
off
so
in
our
office.
We
have
a
whole
team
that
you
know
if
your
employees
have
a
claims
issue
or
something
they
call
in,
and
I
monitor
kind
of
all
that
tracking
and
on
our
end
we
don't
see
any
complaints
coming
through
about
united
healthcare
jane.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that
or
if
sorry,
I'm
putting
you
on
the
spot,
that's
right.
N
No,
I
would
like
to
add
that
over
the
course
of
my
tenure
here,
employees
have
been
very
satisfied
with
united
healthcare.
They
provide,
of
course
it
depends
on
which
plan
you
select,
but
we
have
been
able
to
manage
to
keep
a
good
level
of
benefits
at
a
reasonable
cost
and
we
hardly
get
any
complaints
they're
the
odd
one,
but
it
usually
has
to
do
with
maybe
a
doctor's
office
coding,
something
incorrectly
or
whatever,
and
we
do
have
gearing
and
we
do
have
fmit
that
help
us
work
through
those
those
problems.
A
Thank
you.
It's
been
quiet,
usually
here's
something!
It's
not
so
much!
It's
a
great
health
career
plan,
but
when
there's
problems
you
hear
about
it
so
and
and
a
concern
over
losing
it
because
of
cost,
so
I
think
we're
okay.
As
far
as
I
don't
know,
if
you've
got
your
little
teacup
with
the
tea
leaves,
is
there
anything
that
you
see
coming
down
for
us
next
year,
so.
P
This
year,
overall,
I've
been
with
garen
group
15
years.
I've
been
21
years
in
the
business.
This
has
probably
been
the
roughest
year
in
terms
of
renewal
and
percentage
of
increase.
So
if
I
take
it
back
a
step,
what's
really
happened,
we
had
a
backlog
when
coveted
hit,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
individuals
in
the
last
12
to
18
months
that
have
now
come
back
and
had
surgeries
that
were
put
off.
They've
got
care,
they've
found
things
because
they
put
off
preventative
screenings
and
overall,
we've
seen
claims.
P
You
know
across
our
book
of
business
up
at
really
high
percentages,
15
to
20
percent
year-over-year
increases
on
those
claims
costs,
and
you
know
that's
what
drives
a
lot
of
those
higher
renewals
that
I've
talked
about.
So
we
have
some
groups
that
have
not
experienced
that,
as
the
city
has
not
really
experienced,
that
kind
of
spike
the
industry
sort
of
expertise
or
looking
at
it
is
that
those
claims
that
were
driven
up
were
a
couple
of
things.
It
was
a
lot
of
cancers
that
were
missed
during
screenings.
P
It
was
a
lot
of
orthopedic
type
procedures
which
are
very
expensive
that
were
put
off,
and
then
it
was
the
cost
of
covid,
and
the
prevailing
thought
is
that
the
second
half
of
this
year
we
should
see
things
start
to
trend
down,
so
the
city
never
really
trended
up.
So
my
hope
is
knock
on
knock
on
wood,
that
you
know
the
city
wasn't
really
subject
to
that
kind
of
delay
and
and
then
subsequent
spike.
P
So,
overall
I'm
giving
you
a
long
answer,
but
I
want
you
to
have
the
history
there's
nothing
really
that
we
see
so
far.
That
would
indicate
that
you
know
that
ominous
sort
of
spike
is
coming.
There's
nothing
in
your
data.
That
shows
us
that
the
prevailing
thought
is
it
would
have
happened
by
now.
If
it
was
going
to
happen.
K
Q
A
All
appreciate
you
working
hard,
I
know
it's
not
easy
and
I
know
the
employees
are
very
appreciative
of
maintaining
the
same
health
care
that
we've
had
in
the
last
few
years
anyway.
So
thank
you.
We've
gone
to
public
comments.
We've
had
commission
comments,
I
need
a
motion
and
a
second
please
motion
to
approve.
M
J
Do
this
yeah
just
real
fast?
We
only
got
one
bid
for
this
item.
Janina.
If
you
want
she
explained
in
her
and
remember
that
you
have,
but
the
process,
even
with
one
bid
that
she
went
through
to
see
if
we
needed
to
go
out
again,
so
just
real
the
fast
version.
Let
them
know
what
you
did
and
you're
comfortable
with
this
bid
and
we're
all
comfortable.
This
is
a
good
price
for
the
company
and
the
services
we
get.
B
B
N
B
N
A
Thank
you,
miss
lewis.
Are
there
any?
Let's
go
to
public
comments,
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
This
is
on
tree
removal
or
tree
removal
contract.
Okay,
any
remote
access
comments,
I.t.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
commons
vice
mayor
lund,.
C
You
know
I'm
I
took
a
look
at
this
and
my
general
guess
is
because
of
the
current
labor
shortages
that
the
reason
you
didn't
get
any
big
responses
is
excuse.
Me,
firms
are
taking
a
look
at
higher
margin,
higher
return
on
investment
type
projects
and
and
trying
to
cut
costs
or
keep
costs
to
a
minimum
for
a
city
or
it's
kind
of
not
in
there.
Another
thing,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
something
we're
going
to
have
to
live
with.
We
may
want
to
redraw
how
long
is
this
contract
for.
C
Contract,
we
may
have
wanted
to
look
at
it
sooner
than
five
years,
but.
A
B
B
A
A
We're
gonna
go
to
item
21
now
it's
7
30,
exactly
good
call
city
manager,
7
30,
exactly
we're
going
to
move
on
to
ordinances
and
resolutions
and
get
back
to
the
special
consent
agenda
after
that.
The
first
item
is
resolution:
2022-24
application,
22-21
tarpon,
springs,
apartment,
site
plan,
review,
331,
north
safford
city
attorney
trask.
I
I
don't
see
that
this
is
quasi-judicial.
A
H
I'll
read
those
quasi-judicial
procedures.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
quash
judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-initial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
H
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent
substantial,
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
service,
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
With
that
being
said,
anyone
that's
going
to
speak
on
this
agenda
item.
If
you
could
stand
up,
raise
your
right
hand,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
swear
you
under
oath.
H
A
Okay,
mr
mavromatis,
good
evening:
okay,
is
there
anybody
here
that
claims
to
be
an
affected
party
by
this
matter.
B
D
D
So
this
project
is
for
an
eight
unit,
multi-family
development,
it's
actually
in
three
different
buildings.
So
there's
a
one
four
one:
four
unit
building
and
two
two
unit
buildings:
they
meet
all
of
the
basic
requirements
of
the
special
area
plan
with
regard
to
site
plans.
There
are
a
couple
of
issues
to
be
discussed
with
that,
so
here's
the
overall
site
plan
so
facing
park
street
or
fronting
on
park
street.
D
D
These
little
diagram
here
is
this
is
representing
ac
units,
here's
your
stormwater
pond,
and
so
that's
the
overall
site
plan
as
it
lays
out.
These
are
your
building
elevations.
These
are
fantastic.
This
is
the
type
of
development
that
we
really
wanted
when
we
put
the
smart
code
in
place,
so
they
really.
These
are
two
unit
buildings.
This
is
facing
stafford.
You
have
a
central
courtyard
that
accesses
to
the
parking
in
the
back
into
the
units.
D
This
is
just
our
general
requirements
for
the
smart
code.
I
will
call
out.
There
are
two
warrants
that
are
actually
being
requested.
The
first
is
with
regard
to.
We
have
what
we
call
a
front
building
frontage
requirement,
so
it
requires
a
certain
build
out
along
the
frontage
at
a
specified.
You
know
maximum
setback.
So
in
this
instance,
let
me
go
back
to
the
site
plan.
D
You
have
a
you
know,
there's
a
percentage
requirement,
they
don't
quite
meet
it.
So
what
they'll
be
doing
asking
to
do
is
a
warrant
to
allow
a
street
screen
here
which
is
basically
fencing
and
landscaping,
so
it
can
kind
of
continue
that
nice
walking
environment,
that's
the
intent
of
that
frontage
requirement
and
smart
code.
D
And
so
that's
this
is
where
this
is
being
called
out:
the
six
foot
fencing
with
landscaping.
We
also
have
landscaping
along
this
frontage,
so
we'll
and
then
they
have
given
us
an
elevation
again.
This
is
the
park
street
frontage,
so
this
street
screen
that
we're
talking
about
that
we're
requesting
the
warrant
for
is
along
here.
So
you
see
the
the
top
of
the
of
the
you
know
the
vinyl
fencing
and
then
you'll
have
landscaping
along
the
front.
So
they've
done
a
very
nice
job
meeting
the
intent
of
that
requirement.
D
The
second
issue,
or
requested
warrant
or
waiver
request,
I
should
say,
is
actually
to
the
visibility
triangle
requirement
so
as
required
in
the
code
you
basically
take.
You
know
we
measure
back
30
feet
along
the
intersection
of
the
two
roads
at
the
property
line
and
so
you'll
see
the
corner
of
this
building
falls
into.
This
is
the
statutory
requirement
for
the
for
the
for
the
site,
visibility
triangle.
D
In
this
instance,
though,
since
you,
you
know,
the
only
traffic
that
you
have
is
southbound,
because
the
stafford
is
split
and
you
can't
cross
it.
You
can't
have
a
left
turn
movement
in
here.
There
really
is
no
issue
with
an
actual
site
visibility
triangle:
you'll
pull
up
here,
you'll,
be
able
to
see
traffic
coming
from
the
north
going
south
on
on
stafford.
D
D
So
with
that,
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
site
plan,
including
the
requested
warrant
and
waiver
request,
subject
to
kind
of
four
standard
conditions
that
you
see
on
all
of
these
one
of
those
I'll
call
out
number
three,
which
is
the
requirement
to
comply
with
public
art
program
requirements
if
the
aggregate
job
value
exceeds
one
million
planning
and
zoning
board
did
review
this
on
july,
the
18th
and
they
recommended
approval
by
a
4-0
vote,
and
we
did
have
one
person
that
spoke
in
support
of
the
item
at
that
particular
meeting.
A
I'm
going
to
go
to
commission
comments.
Any
commissioner.
Have
any
questions
not
comments,
questions
any
questions
from
the
commission
vice
mayor,
lon.
C
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
a
question
or
a
comment
renee,
but
what
I'm
seeing
within
these
transact
zones
as
of
late,
especially
under
developments,
is
the
predilection
to
want
to
suggest
a
six
foot
high
pvc
fence
instead
of
a
wall
which
is
actually
part
of
the
the
transect
code.
This
is,
in
my
estimation,
maybe
the
second
or
third
time
I've
seen
this
come.
F
C
C
Is
there
a
particular
reason
from
a
builder's
point
of
view
that
we
that
they
don't
want
to
put
walls
up
anymore,
because
and
my
estimation,
personal
estimation,
that
is,
I
think,
the
walls
actually
look
better.
I
think
they
they
dress
nicer
than
than
a
white
pvc
fence,
no
matter
what
you
do
with
landscape.
D
I
I
mean
I'll
actually
defer
that
to
to
the
applicant,
but
I
mean,
generally
speaking,
it's
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
you
know,
a
long-term
cost
and
maintenance
issue,
and-
and
I
have
heard
developers
say
that
they
actually
would
prefer
to
have.
You
know
the
vinyl
fencing
it
doesn't
have
to
be
white
and
with
with
a
with
the
landscaping
buffering
in
the
front
of
it.
So
you
kind
of
get
a
depth.
You
know
a
better
depth
of
and
change
in.
D
You
know:
you'll
have
your
your
landscaping
at
one
level
and
you'll
have
the
fencing
behind
it
at
another
level
so
that
that's
the
what
we've
kind
of
heard
going
through
these,
but
I
mean
I.
I
would
definitely
encourage
you
to
ask
the
applicant
that
as
well.
C
Yeah,
that's
just
from
from.
I
can
understand
it
from
a
maintenance
point
of
view,
but
from
my
perspective,
from
a
long
term
and
and
street
visibility
point
of
view,
it's
it's
it's
a
deprecation
of
what
we
actually
intended
because
that's
what
we
wrote
into
it.
L
Just
a
quick
question
renee,
so
the
reason
for
the
wall
or
fence
is
because
there's
not
enough
frontage
of
the
building
against
the
property.
D
L
D
A
street
screen
and
the
code
specifies
that
it
should
be
generally
specifies
it
should
be
a
wall,
but
you
can
request
a
waiver
to
that
to
say
we
want
to
do
it
in
some
other
type
of
material
and
that's
what's
before
you.
If
you
don't,
then
if
you
don't
want
to
prove
that
then
they'll
have
to
to
comply
with
the
you
know
the
strict
tenet
of
the
of
the
code.
L
L
F
O
You
mayor
randy,
I
just
want
to
focus
on
the
visibility
triangle
and
my
concern
is
relating
to
just
any
pedestrian
traffic
on
the
west
end
sidewalk
traveling
north
on
safford.
D
O
A
Thank
you.
Oh
the.
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
at
least
a
couple
of
comments
about
moving
the
one
building
back
because
of
the
visibility
triangle,
but
there's
a
five
percent
slope
in
the
back
of
that
building.
Is
that
correct.
A
And
underneath
the
balcony
there's
a
flat
area
kind
of
like
a
patio
is
that
is,
is
that
pretty
much
it
I?
I
should
ask
the
applicant
that
maybe
we'll
do
that.
Okay,
mr
mavericks,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
mrs
vincent?
A
A
Thank
you,
okay,
ms
vinson,
would
you
like
the
report,
read
it
or
accept
it
into
the
record?
Yes,.
D
G
No,
I
really
don't.
I
mean
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward.
We've
worked
quite
a
bit
on
getting
something.
That's
going
to
be
it's
kind
of
special
for
the
area,
that's
not
a
normal!
What
you
might
think
of
an
apartment
to
look
like,
so
I
really
don't
have
anything
to
add.
I
think
it
speaks
for
itself.
A
C
First,
I
want
to
say
I
really
like
this
I'm
glad
proposal.
I
really
like
the
if
you
stick
with
the
artist
rendering-
and
it
even
comes
close
to
that-
I
think
it's
something
that
this
area
is
very
appreciative
or
should
be
very
appreciative
of.
I
still
have
some
concerns
about
the
fence,
though,
would
it
be
a
hardship
for
you
to
put
a
wall
in.
G
Well,
I
mean
I
heard
your
comments
regarding
the
fence
is
not
a
wall
that
a
wall
you're
looking
for
a
block
or
a
brick
or
something
like
that,
but
we
feel
that
the
vinyl
is
going
to
meet
the
need
there.
We're
trying
to
put
something
to
divide
that
off
to
give
it.
You
know
some.
I
don't
know
what
you
call
it
not
protection,
but
you
know
because
of
the
the
distance
there
and
going
up
with
a
block
wall.
It's
the
maintenance.
I
mean
that's
painting
and
upkeep
where
the
vinyl
is.
G
You
know
it's
if
something
happens
to
it's
easily
replaced
it's
it's
simple
to
replace
and
and
the
cost
okay.
C
Well,
I
understand
the
segregation
from
the
retention
pond
needs
to
be
there,
but
of
course
I
mean
that's
again.
No
further
questions.
L
G
So
too,
my
brother
leon
was
heavily
involved
in
this,
and
we've
had
some
heated
discussions
in
my
opinion
of
that,
but
I
mean
it
looks
great.
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
it's
a
nice
project
and
it's
going
to
really
it'll
be
special
for
the
area
yeah.
So.
A
F
Would
you
also
agree
with
me
that
you
must
have
been
at
some
of
our
strategic
meetings,
because
this
is
exactly
what
we
were
looking
for?
This
is
what
the
public
was
looking
for.
So
were
you
there,
because
I
didn't
see
you.
F
Okay,
well,
I
I
appreciate
this
kind
of
building.
This
is
exactly
what
we
needed
in
development.
I
also
wanted
to
touch
base
a
little
bit
with
this
fence
thing,
because
I
do
understand,
could
you
explain
what
kind
of
maintenance
a
cinderblock
type
wall
would
be
versus
the
fence
again.
G
Painting
cracking
right,
you
know,
I
mean
settling.
You
know
it's
gonna
crack.
You
know
it's
just
the
nature
of
the
beast,
especially
here
in
florida.
Everything
just
settles,
so
I
mean
it's
going
to
crack.
You
know
where
the
vinyl,
if
it
settles
you'll,
never
notice
it.
You
know,
and
there
again
the
the
shrubbery
the
landscaping's
going
to
pretty
much
overwhelm
that
short
wall.
I
mean
that's
the
whole
idea.
You
know
we
want
the
landscaping
to
be
stand
out.
You
know
we
want
that's
what
we're
looking
for.
G
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
landscaping
there
and,
like
you
mentioned
the
rendering
on
this
I
mean
it
shows
a
lot.
Some
of
the
trees
might
change
in
regards
to
this,
but
it's
going
to.
We
want
the
landscaping
to
stand
out
and
that's
the
important
thing.
That's
the
beauty
of
it
too.
It
adds
to
the
to
the
whole
project.
O
Commissioner,
thank
you
mayor,
mr
mayor
for
mattis.
I
just
what,
because
I
see,
there's
a
lot
of
landscaping
and
my
only
concern
is
just
the
the
visible
triangle.
If,
on
that
corner
there,
if
you
could
just
consider
having
less
trees
or
in
that
area,
just
to
open
up
the
visibility.
G
A
Okay,
thanks
that
that's
fine,
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
patio
in
the
back
underneath
the
balcony,
whether
in
fact
it
was
like
a
slab
with
a
patio
that
they
could
put
a
barbecue
grill
or
something
like
that
in
the
idea.
Was
yours
a
little
flexibility
of
moving
the
building
back
in
order
to
open
up
the
visibility
triangle
because
of
the
the
five
percent
grade.
I
guess
it
slowed
downward
to
the
parking
lot.
G
It's
been,
it's
been
looked
at
a
lot
to
try
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
there.
It's
a
bit
of
a
a
challenge
because
of
the
slope
got
a
rather
large
retention
area.
B
G
So
it's
space
becomes
an
issue
and
we
came
up
with
what
we
have
there
by
taking
all
that
into
consideration
and
not
you
know
we
didn't.
We
didn't
want
to
put
something
too
close
to
the
street.
You
know
we
didn't
want
to
and
we
feel
that
that
works.
It
works
for
the
area
and
it
achieves
what
we're
looking
for
and
the
city's
looking
for,
and
I
don't
think
anybody's
going
to
have
a
problem.
You
know
I
really.
A
Nearby,
I
know
that
so
I'm
satisfied
with
the
question
that
commissioner
coulier
had
asked
as
far
as
how
to
approach
the
visibility
triangle.
Ms
vincent,
are
there
any
questions
that
you
have
from
the
applicant
okay?
Thank
you,
mr
maverick
mattis.
I'm
going
to
go
to
public
comment
now.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
matter.
I
I
You
look
at
that.
What
do
you
think
right
off
the
bat
tarpon
springs
or
the
keys,
or
you
know
like
a
small
village?
That
is
the
look
that
fits
that
neighborhood
and
so
other
areas
of
the
community.
When
you
go
to
have
things
put
in,
you
need
to
find
the
look.
That
is
consistency
with
the
neighborhood
versus
what
the
hotel
was
with
its
neighborhood
consistency.
I
You
can
see
it
it's
right
there,
so
I
thank
the
gentleman
for
bringing
this
forward.
There
were
two
different
gentlemen
at
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting,
and
one
thing
they
brought
up
that
wasn't,
discussed
and
there's
no
buffer
on
the
south
side
of
the
property
between
the
project
and
the
property
budding
to
the
south.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
issue
or
not,
but
they
had
recommended,
maybe
some
kind
of
landscaping
or
buffer
along
that
southern
section.
I
So
each
entrance
each
unit
has
a
lower
entrance,
but
it
also
has
a
second
floor
view
and,
as
things
develop
along
safford,
that's
something
that
could
be
built
in
and
I
know
there
may
be
other
design
costs
and
stuff
in
that.
But
even
if
it
doesn't
happen
for
this,
it's
still
something
that
should
be
looked
at
when
you
look
at
these
types
of
projects.
I
So
this
is
what
we
look
forward
to
it's
appreciated
to
see
that
a
developer
who
wants
to
build
a
project
and
obviously
there's
got
to
be
some
return
on
investment,
but
they
must
have
came
in
and
worked
with.
Staff
said
this
is
what
we
can
do,
I'm
not
sure
who
the
architect
was
it'd
be
interesting
to
know,
because
we
need
to
get
them
with
the
hotel
people.
Thank
you.
A
I.T
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
Thank
you,
mr
maverick
mattis.
I
just
have
to
ask,
and
you
can
say
no
or
just
nod
your
head:
do
you
have
any
rebuttal
as
far
as
anything
that
was
here,
it
said
here
this
evening
as
far
as
the
public
comments?
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
close
the
public
hearing
and
go
to
commission
comments
vice
mayor.
Do
you
have
anything
new
to
add
these
are
comments,
discussion.
C
C
I
would
joyfully
approve
it
if
it
was
a
wall,
I'd
like
to
see
that
warrant
removed
and
that's
okay.
A
L
L
No,
I
I
mean
in
my
questions
I
was
doing
my
best
to
question
to
explain
how
much
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
asset
to
our
area.
The
design
is
incredible:
it's
going
to
help
build
a
character
along
this
corridor
of
safford
avenue.
So
thank
you
to
the
developer
and
the
maver
madison
brothers
for
for
bringing
this
forward,
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
breaking
ground.
So
thank
you.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
The
only
thing
I
had
like
a
little
bit
of
a
concern,
but
it
was
answered
with
the
sight
triangle
and
I
differ
from
the
vice
mayor.
I
happen
to
like
fences.
They
tend
to
last
and
look
nicer
over
time.
I
understand
you
know
anywhere
else,
but
florida.
I
would
agree
that
that
should
be,
but
within
a
short
period
of
time,
every
every
stone,
cinder
block
wall
that
I
see
is
either
cracked
or
gonna
crack.
So
you
know
they.
F
They
are
heavily
maintenance,
they
have
to
be
painted,
they
have
to
be
maintained
and
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
really
degenerate
much
quicker
than
the
fence,
the
fence.
You
can
just
pressure
wash
in
your
back
to
ground
zero,
so
I
I
happen
to
feel
differently.
I
know
aesthetically,
it
may
look
nicer,
but
for
maintenance
and
and
longevity
I
happen
to
you
know
like
the
vinyl,
so
you.
A
F
Really
do-
and
I
want
to
thank
mr
mavromatis
because
yeah
this
is
exactly
what
we
spoke
about
and
what
most
of
the
residents
want.
So
you
know
I'm
glad
to
see
that
a
developer
is
listening
to
what
the
people
want
so,
and
this
is
this
is
tarpon
springs.
O
A
I
support
it.
I
don't
have
anything
much
success,
mr
maver
mattis
on
this
one,
looking
forward
to
breaking
ground.
Having
said
that,
let's
go
to
have
a
let's
have
a
motion
in
a
second
question.
A
I'll
second
roll
call
please.
A
Yes,
okay.
Item
number
22
has
been
deferred
to
august
23rd,
so
we
go
to
item
23
ordinance,
2022-14
application,
22-16
request
to
vacate
portion
of.
Could
you
put
white?
Could
you
put,
I
always
say
catch
a
book?
Catcher
put.
I.
A
And
mr
trask
is.
A
This
is
quasi-judicial,
so,
if
you
can
read
the
ordinance
by
title,
give
the
instructions
for
the
quasi-judicial
process
and
swearing
any
resident
witnesses
that
we
may
have
here
this
evening
concerning
this
item.
Thank
you,
mayor.
H
H
H
H
A
A
D
This
is
a
request
to
vacate
a
portion
of
a
right-of-way.
This
is
the
ariel
showing
the
area
in
question
here.
This
is
bayshore
drive
when
just
a
little
bit
of
history
when
this
area,
this
was
a
historically
planted
land
here
that
was
replated
when
this
bayshore
heights
subdivision
was
actually
developed,
and
so
what
ended
up
happening
was.
It
was
this.
This
was
not
part
of
the
project,
so
it
didn't
get
vacated.
So
it's
just
it's
just
there.
D
D
And
just
so
here's
the
this
is
the
right
of
this
is
the
right-of-way
piece.
They
they
actually
received
one
half
of
the
right-of-way
to
the
south,
so
they
have
an
odd-shaped
property
now
so
they're,
basically
asking
to
acquire
through
vacation
this
piece.
So
this
is
this
can
all
be
combined
and
potentially,
what
that
allows
them
to
do
then
is
under
the
r
100.
D
You
see
right
now
that
you
have
two
lot
plotted
lots
that
face
this
right
of
way
and
it
would
allow
him
to
reorient
those
lots
and
each
one
be
a
legal,
conforming
lot
facing
bayshore
drive
and
whether
or
not
they
intend
to
do
that.
There
have
been
some
discussions,
but
you
know
we
haven't
actually
had
a
full
request
to.
You
know
to
kind
of
resub
that
if
you
will,
through
a
minor
lot
line
adjustment
situation,
so
again,
this
is
the
the
full
right
of
way.
This
is
the
piece
being
requested.
D
The
city
will
maintain
ownership
of
the
northwestern
half
of
the
right-of-way.
That's
not
being
vacated
and
that
can
supply
any
future
stormwater
or
access
needs
that
that
we
may
have
so
this
the
city
doesn't
doesn't
need
this
portion
of
the
right-of-way.
It
doesn't
provide
the
sole
means
of
access
to
an
adjoining
property
yeah,
it
doesn't
meet
any
circulation
needs
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it
doesn't
provide
a
vista
to
the
adjoining
neighborhood
to
the
city's
shoreline
or
access
to
the
shoreline.
D
This
is
just
the
comprehensive
plan
policy
regarding
this.
The
city
shall
not
vacate
public
right
of
way
until
it
is
determined
that
the
right
of
way
is
not
required
for
present
or
future
public
use,
including
utilities,
roads,
etc,
and
we
have
reviewed
it
for
that
and
do
not
do
not
need
it
as
this
currently
sits.
So
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
ordinance
2022-14
vacating
a
portion
of
cash
put
way
and
with
that
I'll
stop
and
answer
any
questions.
A
F
D
H
There
is
there's
at
least
one
general
attorney
general
opinion
that
says
that
we
cannot
require
payment
for
something
that's
been
dedicated
to
the
public,
okay,
so
we're
prohibited
from
doing.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Kuyas.
O
Thank
you,
mayor
renee.
When
was
the
bottom
portion
of
this
roadway
vacated.
D
That
was
done
when
let
me
go
back
up
to
the
map
just
so
when
when
this
was
developed,
so
this
roadway
went
all
the
way
through
and
I'm
the
dates
are
escaping
me.
But
I
want
to
say
this
was
in
like
the
2014-15
time
frame,
maybe
even
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
earlier
than
that,
but
it's
been
in
the
last.
D
So
this,
as
I
think,
you're
referring
to
this
right
of
way
here,
those
potentially
yes,
those
are
platted
rights
of
way
and
they
do
provide
at
least
on
paper
right
now.
The
means
of
access
for
these,
these
historically
platted
lots.
So
you
know
as
if
these
this
looks
like
a
through
lot
here,
what's
been
acquired,
you
know,
so
somebody
owns
all
of
that,
but
so,
but
potentially
yes,
this
lot
definitely
would
need
access
through
this
right-of-way
in
the
future.
O
And
we
had
talked
about
if,
by
giving
this
right
away,
will
we
give
we
will
give
them
the
potential
to
split
the
property.
D
So
what
yeah?
Let
me
let
me
get
to
a
better
map,
so
you
can
see
this
oops
so
so
right
now
there
are
two
plotted
lots
here.
These
are
historical
plotted,
lots
see.
This
is
lot
12
and
lot
11
of
block
2,
bayshore
height
subdivision,
so
right
now
they
front
on
this.
Actually
this
one
doesn't
even
front
on
anything
because
this
was
vacated
so,
but
this
is
all
under
common
ownership.
D
If
we
do
vacate
this
it
will,
it
will
be
joined
with
this
overall
parcel
of
land
now,
so
that
would
allow
them
to
orient
potentially
to
orient
the
property
onto
bayshore
with
two
buildable
lots
or
100
size
lots
on
fronting
on
bayshore.
I
don't
know
if
they
intend
to
do
that,
but
it
is
a
possibility.
O
D
A
Ms
vinson,
do
we
allow
pipe
stems?
I
guess
that
would
be
all
the
only
way
that
you
would
get
to
buildable
lots.
Is
that
right
say
that
again,
I'm
sorry
pipe
stems.
I
that's
what
they
call
them
up
in
virginia
flag,
flag,
lodge.
D
D
A
Code-
okay,
that's
all
I
have
and
just
the
last
question
I
always
want
to
make
sure
there's
not
just
current
use
but
far-term
use
as
far
as
there
is
none
that
the
staff
could
think
of.
As
far
as
this
goes.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
all
the
questions
I
have,
let's
see
the
applicant,
do
you
have
if
you
could
come
forward
please
to
the
podium.
I
just
need
to
ask
whether
you
have
any
cross-examination
or
questions
from
ms
vincent
in
what
she
stated.
B
A
B
Think
she
accurately
set
forth
for
the
commission
exactly
what
our
plans
are
for
the
lot
and
and
the
rationale
for
asking
for
the
vacation.
Okay,.
B
So,
as
I
said,
we've
owned
these
lots
for
a
few
years,
as
some
of
the
commissioners
maybe
have
surmised.
We
are
asking
for
the
vacation
for
the
purposes
of
subdividing
the
lot
in
order
to
meet
the
r100
requirements.
We
need
the
extra
30
feet
so
that
that's
our
motivation
here
and
we
wanted
to
to
make
sure
that
that
was
you
know,
brought
forth
for
the
commission.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
start
off.
How
do
you
pronounce
it
yeah.
B
I,
like
the
french
pronunciation,
that
somebody
came
up
with
better,
but
maybe
we
can
do
a
name
change
on
that
street.
A
All
right,
let's,
let's
go
to
commission
questions
vice
marilyn,
do
you
have
any.
B
Well,
I
think
it
provides
a
benefit
to
the
city
by
having
two
lots.
There
I
mean
a
it,
provides
more
property
tax
revenue,
it
you
know,
I
I
don't
think
vacant
land
by
itself
is
terribly
attractive.
I
think,
by
having
two
lots
on
there,
you
give
a
more
aesthetic
look
along
bayshore.
B
O
A
Mr
skelton,
do
you
have
any
near-term
development
plans
for
the
property,
as
ms
vincent
described
earlier,
two
homes
or
whatever
plans
you
might
have.
B
Yes,
that
would
be
our
intention
to
if,
if
the
commission
grants
us,
the
vacation
would
be
to
then
apply
for
a
subdivision
of
those
lots
and
and
to
put
single-family
homes
on
them.
It
would.
A
Be
the
same
as
as
you
heard
earlier
would
be
split
down
the
center.
Is
that
correct,
so
that
they.
A
D
N
N
Now,
I'm
a
little
bit
confused,
mrs
vinson,
when
the
other
map
that
you
showed
off
a
sunset
that
one
road
that
goes
up
if
this
is
vacated,
will
we
still
be
able
to
open
up
these
streets
for
the
safety
and
will
the
people
be
able
to
use
the
lots
behind
there
to
build
their
homes
if
you
vacate
that
see
the
long
road
going
up
but
there?
This
is
what
I
want
to
know.
What's
going
to
happen
to
us
and
those
property
owners.
N
Think
about
because
the
mayor
had
pro
the
alohuses
has
promised
that
they
wouldn't
be
opened
and
if
you
remember
or
the
city
remembers,
all
of
us
came
back
to
city
hall
and
said
that
was
wrong,
but
it
wasn't
changed
unless
what
I'm
looking
at,
isn't
what
I'm
thinking
of
see
the
one
line
where
the
red
circle
is.
It
comes
all
the
way
down.
N
N
N
That's
all
right
because
you're
all
going
to
vote
on
it
tonight,
but
that's
a
right-of-way
and
we
should
not
give
up
any
right-of-ways
in
this
city
if
they've
been
on
the
map
a
long
time,
there's
a
reason
for
it.
You
know
I
come
up
here
and
say
that
all
the
time
we've
lived
out
there
for
over
40
years,
people
lived
out
there
longer
the
ferguson
estates
were
out
there.
You
need
to
keep
your
right-of-ways
to
open
up
roads.
I
Now,
let's
get
a
little
more
into
the
meat
of
this,
I
want
to
briefly
just
read
this
we'll
leave
this
picture
up.
According
to
this,
shall
not
vacate
public
right
away,
shall
not
until
it
is
determined.
The
right
of
way
is
not
required
for
present
or
future
public
use,
public
use,
including
utilities,
roads,
etc,
etc.
I
Etc,
so
it's
not
just
whether
wow
has
a
cable
line
or
duke
has
that
public
use.
Now
what
public
use
do
we
have
potential
here?
I
have
to
thank
the
mayor
at
the
end
of
the
budget
meeting.
You
talked
about
changes.
The
conditional
use
to
include
within
it
public
interest.
Now
take
a
look
at
this,
I'm
gonna.
I
did
a
little
research.
I
don't
know
if
y'all
went
on
the
property
appraisers.
I
So
these
gentlemen
are
palm
harbor
19
investments,
326
north
belcher
clearwater,
just
to
the
southeast
of
that
is
pilari
llc,
514
north
franklin
street
tampa
and
then
that
long
strip
that
you
see
running
up
and
down
there
next
to
eunice
is
phillips.
2015
trust,
10
pounds
way:
oakland
new
jersey,
now
all
that
big
spot
in
there
just
to
the
north
northwest
of
that
circle
and
that
big
pond.
If
you
go
onto
the
property
appraisers,
how
is
it
listed?
You
take
a
look
at
it.
What
does
it
say,
wetland
conservation
mitigation
area?
I
Let
me
repeat
that
wetland
conservation
mitigation
area
and
that's
owned
by
meritage
homes
of
florida,
5800
east
raintree,
drive
300
unit
300
scottsdale
arizona.
So
why
am
I
bringing
all
this
up
buffers
when
that
land
was
cleared?
You
know
people
were
coming
screaming
about
what
was
destroyed
back
there.
I
I
So
my
question
be
a
couple
of
things
one.
I
don't
think
you
have
enough
history,
how
did
they
get
the
vacation
in
2016
in
the
first
place?
How
did
that
happen?
Were
they
were
buddies
with
the
bayshore
heights
people
and
they
said:
hey?
Well,
we're
gonna.
You
know,
you
know,
oh
there'll,
be
some
property
available
how'd
they
get
that
in
the
first
place.
I
I
I
I
I
For
present
or
future
use,
so
I'll
leave
it
among
you
to
debate
what
potential
future
use
that
land
could
be
to
the
city
and
to
me
it
looks
like
if
they
got
two
lots.
They
probably
could
already
build
on
it,
where
the
city
doesn't
have
to
be
giving
away
rights
that
they're
entitled
to
to
property,
even
though
they
can't
sell
it
for
return,
and
here
again
what
they
argued
is
two
houses,
more
taxes,
more
money,
that's
what
they
always
jangle
in
front
of
you
we'll
get
you
more
money
through
all
the
taxes,
we're
gonna
get.
I
K
Melody
ingles
700
lanston,
so
you
said
that
they
can't
pay
for
this,
that
we
have
to
vacate
it
or
there
is
not
a
way
to
sell
it,
because
it's
illegal
so
we're
giving
them
something
for
nothing.
But
they're
gonna
build
some,
probably
really
nice
houses
more
tax
revenue
is
there
something
they
could
do
for
us.
K
I
don't
know:
is
there
something
legal
that
they
could
do?
Could
they
put
some
trees
somewhere
or
do
some
beautification
somewhere
like
in
the
keys
in
monroe
county
on
our
land?
We
have
to
do
some
things
to
help
the
environment.
Is
there
an
alternative?
That's
legal
that
so
they
don't
get
something
for
free,
but
they
get
a
really
big
benefit
and
the
city
benefits
too
just
thought
about
that.
A
I.T?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
B
And
if
you
can
unmute.
R
A
Okay,
mr
skelton,
do
you
have
any
rebuttal
of
anything
that
you've
heard
this
evening?
Mr
trask,
can
he
this
other
gentleman
get
up
and
represent
himself?
If
you
can
name
give
us
your
name
and
address,
please
thank
you
by
all
means.
R
R
You
know
I
can
appreciate
you
know
our
family's,
been
in
pinellas
county
for
over
80
years
when
it
comes
to
environmental
issues
when
it
comes
to
giving
away
land
and
and
dealing
with
municipalities,
our
family's
done
that
a
great
deal
over
the
years.
In
fact,
we
owned
a
a
large
portion
of
the
property
that
abutted
to
the
collins
property
that
allowed
for
wall
springs
to
be
acquired
and
purchased
along
with
mcmullens
and
the
cullens
and
ourselves.
R
So
you
know
when
it
comes
to
property
rights
and
it
comes
to
ownership
of
properties.
Our
family's
been
very,
very
strong
in
regards
to
it
throughout
the
county.
We
respect
all
of
you,
commissioners,
very
much
so
when
you
have
the
opportunity,
but
this
isn't
really
a
problem.
That's
been
caused
by
us
you're
zoning,
with
all
due
respect
to
ms
vincent
renee's,
outstanding
land
planner,
the
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written
in
the
r-100.
You
have
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
frontage
to
be
able
to
meet
it.
R
The
the
reason
that
that
other
portion
was
remained
open
instead
of
vacated
all
at
the
same
time.
I
don't
know
if
renee
can
pull
that
back
up
there.
Again,
it's
it's
pretty
obvious
and
with
all
due
respect
to
our
other
neighbor
that
had
a
concern
regarding
it
that
were
given
away.
R
That
was
basically
allowed
for
to
be
the
driveway.
It
was
going
to
be
the
access
it
would
have
a
a
16
foot
minimum
driveway
coming
down
in
in
regards
to
the
lot
to
the
rear.
The
lot
on
the
front
it
could
have
access,
depending
on
how
you
orientated
the
elevation
or
frontage
of
the
house
along
bayshore.
R
We
have
a
layout
which
our
survey
did.
That
basically
allows
for
two
lots
that
meets
the
minimum
requirements
that
the
city
has
for
lot
frontage
to
be
able
to
do
so,
but
vacating
that
remaining
piece
is
30
feet.
We
didn't
ask
for
the
entire
60-foot
frontage
or
foot
of
ketchup
put
or.
However
you
want
to
pronounce
it.
R
You
can
see
in
the
yellow,
it
still
remains,
and
the
other
portion
also
remains
as
well.
It's
just
half
of
the
right
of
way
itself
that
has
no
basic
real
value
to
it
other
than
it
allows
us
to
be
able
to
meet
the
requirements
that
the
city
has
to
make
a
lot.
That's
big
enough!
That's
ideal
enough
to
build
on
that's
going
to
again
it's!
R
You
know
that
that
old,
saying
that
you
know
we're
building
that
you're
going
to
get
the
revenue
from
it's
true,
but
at
the
same
time
it
allows
us
to
be
able
to
build
two
houses.
That's
going
to
be
able
to
have
just
like
the
elevation
that
you
had
with
the
the
previous
gentleman
you'd
like
that.
Well,
this
this
area
provides
for
a
key
west
style
house
as
well,
because
directly
across
the
street
is
what
can
buy
you
so
you're
going
to
have
view
of
the
water.
So
it
would
be
a
two-story
house.
R
That's
going
to
be
able
flood
plain
design,
that's
going
to
be
able
to
provide
a
very
nice
complement
to
the
neighborhood
so
and
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
other
question
that
you
commissioners
have.
But
it's
not
an
unreasonable
request
that
we're
making
we're
trying
to
basically
follow
the
requirements
that
the
city
has
in
place
right
now
to
be
able
to
build
something
nice
and
have
the
the
area
to
be
able
to
do
so.
A
Okay,
that's
the
end
of
public
comments.
Let's
close
the
hearing,
let's
go
to
commission
discussion
now
and
just
mr
trask.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
before
we
get
started
this
guy.
Can
I
ask
for
clarification
from
you
on
on
a
matter
that.
A
H
Well,
when
I
think
of
the
term
proffering,
I
think
of
you're
providing
some
aspect
of
evidence,
but
it's
not
being
actually
received.
It's
there
for
the
purposes
of
technicalities
on
an
appeal
if
it
ever
comes
about,
but
requiring
them
to
provide
as
a
condition
something
off-site
or
requiring
them
to
provide
something
on-site.
It
would
to
me
it
would.
It
would
appear
as
if
it
was
almost
like
you're
getting
something
in
return,
whether
it's
cash
or
product
or
landscaping
or
whatever.
H
I
would
not.
I
would
advise
you
not
to
do
that,
because
I
see
it
as
the
same
thing,
whether
it's
landscaping
or
money.
It
would
be
something
in
return
for
the
vacation,
which
I
don't
believe
that
you're
allowed
to
do
that
under
the
law.
H
A
And
as
far
as
representations
this
evening
that
the
properties
in
the
the
property
is
needed
to
create
two
conforming
lots,
if
that
I
I
don't
think
I
can
ask
mrs
vincent
any
questions
concerning
that
now.
Is
that
correct,
because
we've
closed
that,
let's.
H
Open
it
up,
allow
mr
skelton
to
step
back
up
across
the
exam
and
then
present
additional
testimony
too
so.
A
She
can
do
that
if
you
want,
if,
if,
for
example,
there's
some
statement
that
not
exactly
accurate,
that
that
additional
30
feet
is
needed
to
create
two
conforming
lots,
is
there
a
method
or
some
procedural
process
that
we
could
bring
that
back?
If
we
later
find
out
that
that's
not
accurate.
H
H
C
Okay,
so
I'm
actually
looking
at
the
plot
of
the
land
from
the
property
appraiser's
office,
I
can
understand
on
bay
shore,
adding
another
30
feet
from
catch
by
way
is,
is
going
to
make
it
150
feet,
which
is
divisible
to
75
foot
watts,
which
is
this
the
standard
that
actually
runs
along
bay
shore.
So
that's
that's
fine,
however.
The
rear
lot
dimensions,
even
with
even
with
the
current
vacation,
don't
meet
that
standard.
It's
only
130
feet.
C
C
I
looked,
but
I
could
not
find
I
did
not
have
the
time
how
they
got
possession
of
the
first
section
of
a
vacation
of
cash
put.
However,
I
can
understand
that
when
they
bought
this
property
in
2013
that
there
was
a
road
there,
they
could
ask
to
be
developed
and
get
access
to
that
rear
property,
which
is
something
that
we're
going
to
see
in
other
areas
of
the
city
as
we
develop
it.
C
So
you
know
half
on
yeah
that
road
was
was
taken
away
because
of
the
development
that
was
given
and
the
and
the
and
the
the
retention
pond.
That's
there
and
so
forth.
I'm
kind
of
leaning
towards
to
just
saying
that
yes
have
the
other
half
of
that
property,
but
they
will
come
back
for
a
variance
because
it's
going
to
be
in
a
regular
lot
size.
C
Based
on
some
of
the
other
comments.
We've
heard
tonight.
The
area
to
the
west
north
of
of
that
on
bayshore
marked
as
wetland
conservation
mitigation
area,
is
actually
owned
by
the
developer
that
developed
that
large
development
there
and
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
developed
on
at
all.
So
that
concern
about
somebody
squeezing
something
in
there
about
it.
Going
away,
isn't,
isn't
actually
factual.
L
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
vice
mayor
is
completely
accurate
with
the
depth.
I'm
looking
at
the
page
on
the
city's
website.
Right
now,
but
r100
saying
the
depth
is
100
feet
for
r100
and
the
width
is
75
feet.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
it
has
come
back
based
on
what
you
said
it
being
129
feet
deep.
L
So
that
point
sounds
like
they're
two
conforming
lots:
the
width
of
75.
I
understand
if
it's
vacated,
it's
going
to
be
75
feet
wide,
but
the
depth
is
still
deep
enough,
it's
129
and
that
the
code
is
100
feet
deep.
So
there's
no
variance
at
that
point.
If
it's
approved
tonight
it
sounds
like
different
sounds
like
they're
compatible
lots
or
they
could
go
in
and
ask
for
a
subdivision
of
the
piece
of
property
and
then
start
building.
L
A
L
I
renee
didn't
provide
that
tomatoes,
google,
so
and
in
my
aspect
that
this
is
a
piece
of
it.
When
I
heard
renee
say
it
sound
like
it
was
an
air
because
catchy
footwear
was
vacated
throughout
the
sub
development
many
years
ago,
and
so
this
piece
should
have
been
vacated
as
well
too,
but
it
wasn't
for
some
reason.
So
it
sounds
like
it's
more
of
a
cleanup.
L
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor.
I
also
believe
that
this
right
now
in
its
present
form,
can
be
two
conforming
lots.
If
split
the
other
way,
the
only
difference
is.
If
we
do
turn
this
over,
they
would
then
have
two
properties
that
they
can
develop
both
viewing
bay
shore
and
the
water.
F
So
it's
a
plus
on
the
positive
side,
they're
not
asking
for
the
whole
60
feet.
So
there
is
a
30-foot
buffer
from
the
wetlands
which
that
always
concerns
me,
but
we've
given
away
a
zero
lot
line.
So
as
long
as
I
know
that
that
cannot
be
developed,
you
know
close
to
the
wetlands.
F
A
O
Thank
you
mira,
I'm
not
I'm
not
in
support
of
it.
As
of
right
now,
I
believe
when
they
firmly
bought
the
property,
they
knew
what
they
were
buying
the
vacation.
O
O
I
think
they
could
still
build
up
a
property
with
what
they
have
now
with.
You
know
that
road
leading
right
into
it
and
just
not
going
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
vice
mayor
lund,
do
you
have
any
other
thoughts
on
that.
C
No,
I
guess
just
a
referral
to
to
commissioner
carr's
statement
when
we
talk
about
width
property
width.
Are
we
only
talking
about
the
frontage
with?
Are
we
talking
about
the
frontage
and
the
rear
property
width,
because
I'm
looking
here
and
the
rear
property
width,
even
with
the
current
vacation,
is
only
130.2
feet?
Okay,
which
doesn't
mean
150
feet,
which
is
non-standard
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
this
at
all,.
A
Not
in
favor
of
vacating,
okay,
just
out
of
fairness,
mr
trask,
I'm
going
to
reopen
the
public
hearing
to
get
some
questions
answered.
Ms
vincent.
A
D
D
Our
code
requires
that
they
stay
under
common
ownership
because
they
do
not
meet
individually.
The
r
100
zoning
requirements
to
be
built
upon
the
addition.
So
it's
two
things:
it's
it's
lot
area
and
it's
lot
width
and
depth.
So
these
okay!
So
if
you
look
here,
I
mean
this
right
now
this
this
lot
fronts
on
what
is
now
vacated,
so
it
doesn't
actually
even
have
frontage
on
on
on
a
street,
I
mean
you
have
this
little
bit
right
here.
D
D
You
can
measure,
it
can
be
met
at
the
required
setback
line
or
it
can
be
an
average.
So
if
you
meet
any
one
of
those
three,
you
can
meet
the
minimum
lot.
Width
requirements
as
defined
by
the
land
development
code,
so
in
this
instance
we're
just
looking
at
the
you
know.
The
width
along
bay
shore
drive
split
into
you,
get
your
minimum
75
foot
lot
width!
So
once
you
have
that
you
have
you
meet
your
minimum
lot
depth
your
minimum
lot
width
and
your
minimum
lot
area
with
the
addition
of
this
piece.
So.
D
They
could
split
the
lots
through
the
board
of
adjustments.
We
still
have
an
issue
here,
though,
with
it's
a
little
wonky
frankly,
because
this
piece
of
right-of-way
has
been
vacated
and
they
own
it
now.
So
this
lot
doesn't
have
the
required
frontage
on
a
platter
right-of-way,
so
it
does
create
issues.
D
This
would
be
problematic
going
to
the
board
of
adjustments,
even
though
it's
has
a
lot
of
weirdness
to
it.
So
it
does
have
the
uniqueness,
but
it
does
still
create
issues
with
the
fact
that
this
piece
of
the
right-of-way,
which
would
have
provided
access
to
this
lot
to
meet
the
minima
now
it
now.
It
cannot
so.
A
D
Yes,
I
would
say:
yes,
it
would
probably
be
just
it
would
have
to
be
more
than
just
looking
at
the
lots
of
record
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
access
issue
as
well,
but
theoretically
I
think
you
can
get
there.
We
haven't
honestly
haven't
looked
at
it
in
detail
for
that,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
too.
I
can
look
at
it
between
now
and
second
reading.
A
Okay
and
and
in
the
well,
if
it's
denied
this
first
time.
A
And
how
long
would
the
applicant
have
to
wait
to
refile
this
particular
process
that
we're
talking
about
if
it's
denied
this
evening.
A
Okay,
let
me
ask
some
of
the
other
commissioners
vice
mayor
lot.
It's
any
questions.
F
I
just
think
it
comes
down
to
whether
you
want
to
have
one
one
property
there
or
two
properties
there.
I've
seen
stuff
like
this
on
the
non-conforming
lots,
but,
as
renee
said,
it
is
difficult
to
try
to
get
access
to
that
second
property.
So
I
don't
know
we.
If
we
vote
against
it,
we're
definitely
going
to
be
making
it
a
one
property
deal
whether
they
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments
or
not.
A
Yeah,
that's
we
need
to
have
questions
right
now,
so
any
questions,
no
okay,
commission
culias.
Thank
you.
O
Mayor
renee,
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
proposed
vacation
where
I
had
the
yellow
and
the
blue
page
five
of
my
right
there.
Yes,
so
if
we
grant
this
vacation
that
side
road,
the
right,
the
right
of
way
to
remain
unvacated
could
still
be
paved
and
create
a
a
side,
street
or
side
entrance
to
that
back.
Property.
D
O
Okay,
so
by
by
giving
that
vacation,
they
may
potentially
be
able
to
have
a
plan
or
design
with
some
access
from
what's
left
of
the
right-of-way.
D
D
O
Okay
and
I'm
gonna
bring
up
a
lucille
drive
again.
There
seems
it's
the
road,
that's
a
little
bit
north
of
that
little
dead
end
one
property
faces
bayshore
and
the
other
one
actually
faces
the
round.
You
can't
see
it
from.
D
Out
granting
them
right
away
and
that
that
was
that's
the
difficulty
of
it.
So
what
what
we're
referring
to?
We
have
a
section
under
code
that
does
recognize
platted
lots
of
records,
so
these
are
previously
plotted
lots
that
were
platted
before
our
current
zoning
exists,
they're
they're
non-conforming.
They
don't
meet
the
r
100
zoning
standards.
What
our
code
says
is
that,
when
lots
like
that,
come
under
common
ownership-
which
these
are
the
code
basically
says,
then
you
have
to
keep
them
in
common
ownership.
D
You
can't
you
can't
make
them
more,
not
you
can't!
You
can't
decouple
them
so
now.
Having
said
that,
we
have
lots
of
that
situation
throughout
the
city.
We
do
have
a
provision
and
because
it's
been
problematic
in
the
past,
we
actually
have
a
separate
portion
of
the
code
that
allows,
through
the
board
of
adjustments,
to
seek
of
variance
to
allow
the
non-conforming
two
non-conforming
lots
that
are
joint
under
common
ownership
to
be
independently
built
upon
and
there's
a
set
of
standards
to
review.
D
So,
but
the
one
thing
that
is,
that
I
say
is
a
little
bit
of
a
wrinkle
in
this
instance.
Is
the
fact
that
this
lot
here
this
is
the
lot
of
record
that
they
would
have
to
build
on
no
longer
has
really
doesn't
have
access
to
a
platted
right-of-way.
So
what
they
may
have
to
do
is
maybe
come
in
and
put
another
easement
back
in
here.
That
creates
the
frontage
to
face
something
this
way.
So
it's
a
little.
We
can
get
there,
but
it's
it.
Just
has
some
moving
pieces
to
it.
Okay,
okay.
D
A
B
A
B
N
N
My
concern
is:
how
are
we
going
to
open
up
all
the
way
down
for
safety
for
the
residents
there?
If
we
have
a
catastrophe
or
we
have
a
storm,
it
is
a
right-of-way.
You
do
not
give
away
right-of-ways
it's
taxpayers
property,
and
I
hate
to
hear
this
because
I
don't
like
it.
I
don't
want
to
say
it,
but
once
it's
built
they're
gone
they're,
not
here.
For
us,
it's
tarpon
springs
property.
It's
county
property
do
not
give
away
right
away
of
any
kind.
K
With
all
due
respect
to
your
city
attorney,
I
just
really
disagree
in
many
places
throughout
the
state
of
florida
and
other
places
when
you
have
new
construction
and
you're
taking
away
trees
and
things
of
that
thing,
that
kind
of
nature.
You
are
often
required
to
replant
elsewhere
or
do
other
things
elsewhere,
and
you
give
something
elsewhere,
such
as
the
case
in
monroe
county
florida
but
other
places
as
well.
So
I
don't
consider
it
a
profit.
K
Transaction
at
all,
but
when,
when
you're
going
to
give
away
something
for
free
that,
as
she
said,
belongs
to
the
taxpayers,
you
ought
to
get
something
in
return,
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
I
haven't
heard
anything
tonight
about
what
is
the
tax
revenue
that's
going
to
be
generated?
What
are
the
properties
next
to
it
are
comparable
how
much
revenue
do
they
generate
annually?
Do
we
even
know
that?
Are
we
going
to
even
ask
that
question
and
what's
the
value
of
that
vacated
property?
K
So
if
we
knew
how
much
revenue
we're
going
to
get,
and
we
vacate
that-
and
we
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
recoup
it
in
three
or
five
years,
then
that
makes
financial
sense
and
also
to
be
fair
to
these
guys
they're
going
to
put
probably
two
beautiful
homes
up
which
just
adds
to
the
value
and
the
beauty
of
our
city.
So
I
just
think
either
postpone
this
conversation
or
get
some
other
questions
answered,
especially
the
one
that
was
posed
to
your
city
attorney.
K
I
I
I
However,
I
don't
know
if
this
could
be
posed
to
the
attorney,
but
if
you
do
vacate
it,
I
don't
believe
that
it
will
come
back
as
site
plans,
but
there
would
have
to
be
some
kind
of
division
of
the
property
where
I
don't
know.
If
at
that
time
you
could
put
any
type
of
conditions
on
so
that
would
be
have
to
be
something
you'd
have
to
ask
your
attorney
as
to
what
could
be
done
at
a
later
date.
I
If
you
were
to
vacate
it
my
thing
I
was
trying
to
portray,
isn't
that
they
would
build
in
the
northwest
part
of
this
area.
It's
just
that,
if
you
don't
give
them
the
vacation,
the
incentive
is
to
maybe
put
one
house
there
and
the
other
property
that
is
next
to
it
would
be
one
house
and
then
those
properties
that
are
owned
down
on
the
southern
side.
It
all
is
one
contiguous
property.
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
old
plating
to
it.
That
would
indicate
some
of
these
other
property
lines.
I
But
if
you
look
at
the
property
appraisers
that
whole
long
piece
is
as
one
so
that
possibly
could
be
subdivided
off
of
eunice,
but
my
thing
is-
and
I
think
some
of
the
others
have
expressed
is
the
general
philosophy
of
vacating
city
right
away,
whether
we
know
if
we
need
it
or
not,
now
where
someone
else
generates
a
profit
out
of
it.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
profits
are
wrong.
Why
not
just
put
a
nice
big
house
there
or
as
it's
been
discussed
if
they
still
want
to
put
two
there's
ways
to
do
it.
I
And
as
you
go
forward
looking
to
make
adaptations
to
your
code,
just
as
you've
talked
about
public
interest
in
conditional
uses
and
we've
had
this
with
vacations
a
couple
of
times
now
further
define
public
use
in
this
ordinance,
because
public
use
can
be
a
broad
category
and
again,
there's
no
reason
why
it
has
to
be
a
road.
You
could
put
a
little
trail
with
maybe
a
picnic
table
or
a
small
playground.
B
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Okay.
We're
going
to
close
the
public
comment
again,
the
public
hearing
again,
commissioner
comments
vice
mayor
lund.
Do
you
have
anything
else
to
add
no.
C
F
Yes,
thank
you.
Maya
we've
been
discussing
this
vacated
land
when
you're
vacating
a
street
like
we
were
discussing
earlier
on
the
hotel,
you're,
really
depriving
a
active
use
street.
This
has,
as
I've
heard,
you
know,
there's
possibilities.
F
We
could
make
it
a
park,
we
could
make
it
a
picnic
table
and
you
know
all
of
that's
nice,
but
that
doesn't
bring
us
in
any
revenue
at
all.
I
don't
think
anything
is
going
to
be
done
with
this
property
and
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
have
to
say
that
we'd
be
looking
at
7
to
10
grand
a
year
and
if
it
is
split
up
in
property
value
to
the
city.
F
So
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
you
know
I've
heard
a
number
of
the
other
commissioners,
some
in
favor
some
are
not
in
favor.
I
I
feel
that
the
it
should
be
given
over
and
that's
that's
my
take
on
it,
because
it's
it's
a
positive
for
the
city,
revenue,
that's
and,
and
that's
what
we
have
to
look
for.
I
don't
see
it
ever
being
anything.
That's
going
to
help
us
in
a
storm.
F
We
have
storm
water
there
if,
if
it
doesn't
interfere
with
any
sort
of
wetlands
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
so
I've
not
heard
anything
that
would
make
me
not
want
to
go
through
affirmative.
So
that's
my
take.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you
for
opening
up
the
comments
again,
I
think
we
got
some
questions
that
helped
give
direction
to
everyone
involved,
and
I
there
there's
a
way
to
go
about
building
on
both
those
properties.
We've
we've
heard
through
the
board
of
adjustments,
they're
very
reasonable
people.
O
They
apply
codes
well
and
they'll
do
their
best
to
be
able
to
help
out
the
city,
including
the
applicants
and
there's
only
so
much
space,
and
I
believe
you
guys
were
already
gifted
a
nice
portion
of
that
lower
vacated
area,
and
I
would
prefer
to
see
you
guys
to
go
through
the
board
of
adjustments
to
be
able
to
build
two
pro
two
houses
on
non-conforming
lots.
So
thank
you.
A
All
right,
it
looks
like
the
commission's
a
little
split,
but
here's
my
read
on
all
of
this
and
I'm
going
to
say
it
now,
because
I'm
not
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
say
it
after
the
vote
and
and
what
I
heard
was
that
this
vacation
there's
no
time
restriction,
the
applicant
can
bring
it
back
any
time
that
they
want.
A
One
thing
I've
learned
and
it
was
pounded
into
me
and
it
was
reinforced
with
the
sledgehammer
by
our
city
attorney
trask,
who,
once
you
give
something
away,
development
right,
you're,
not
getting
it
back,
so
I'm
not
ready
to
do
an
annexation
this
evening,
I'm
sorry
a
a
vacation
this
evening,
given
that
there's
some
mechanisms
for
bringing
it
back,
and
I
think
that
we've
got
a
very
good
planning
director
in
a
sense
that
could
work
with
the
applicant
and
maybe
come
up
with
some
other
ways
of
dealing
with
this
and
and
I
don't
know
what
they
are,
I'm
I'm
I'm
a
little
reluctant
to
get
into
the
approach
that
ms
zingle
said.
A
Although
I
wouldn't
discount
that
approach
at
all
I
mean
I
would
have
that
conversation
and
see
what
could
happen
and
then
discuss
that
with
the
commission,
not
in
the
sense
of
polling
or
anything
like
that,
but
just
to
get
a
sense
of
of
of
whether
that's
something
reasonable
and
then
the
vacation
of
the
right-of-way.
I
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
many
parks.
I
don't
know
whether
we've
got
any
many
parks
nearby
or
anything
like
that.
A
I
do
know
we
have
a
riverside
park
which
is
right
down
the
street
so
right
now,
given
what
I've
been
hearing
from
the
residents
and
and
there's
some
uncertainty
as
far
as
some
approaches
and
things
of
that
nature.
As
far
as
how
to
proceed
with
this,
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
a
little
more
work
behind
the
scenes,
because
once
we
give
this
land
away,
we're
not
getting
it
back,
and
so
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
A
It's
not
an
issue
of
conservation.
It's
not
an
issue
of
roads
going
through
or
promises
or
broken
promises.
I
have
no
idea
why
that
other
piece
of
property
was
it
didn't
even
make
any
sense
to
me,
but
that
doesn't
mean
anything
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
have
happened
at
the
city
that
don't
make
any
sense
anyway,
but
but
that's
okay.
A
A
I
think
that
there's
time
there
that
we
can
actually
look
a
little
more
at
this,
at
least
that's
from
my
perspective,
so
that's
all
I
have
and
what
we
need
to
do,
whether
you
are
for
the
vacation
or
not.
We
have
to
have
a
motion
in
the
affirmative
as
if
it's
going
to
pass
with
a
second
and
then,
if
you
are
for
the
vacation,
you
vote.
Yes,
if
you
are
against
the
vacation,
you
vote
no.
L
A
A
C
C
A
Okay,
so
that
finishes
up
the
ordinances
this
evening.
It's
nine
o'clock.
Is
there
a
desire
to
take
a
ten
minute
break?
Yes,
okay,
we're
going
to
adjourn
at
902
and.
B
A
All
right
we're
running
late,
let's
reconvene
at
9
16
and
we're
starting
off
on
the
special
consent
agenda
item
board
directional,
which
can
buy
you
alternative
analysis
and
funding
strategy,
city
manager.
Of
course.
Yes,.
M
You,
yes,
I'm
bob
robertson
project
administration
department
director,
we're
here
tonight
to
present
the
results
of
the
whitcomb
bayou
area,
alternatives.
Analysis
purpose
of
the
proposed
project
is
to
provide
resiliency
along
with
bayou
area
and
knowing
that
such
a
project
would
be
financial
financially
challenging
to
also
provide
an
analysis
of
grant
funding
options.
So
these
will
be
presented
to
you
today
by
mr
johnny
stewart
from
consulting
firm
arcadis.
M
Mr
stewart
is
the
senior
consultant
in
urban
and
coastal
resiliency
for
arcadis,
and
is
the
project
manager
a
very
quick
reminder
of
how
we
got
here
today.
Back
in
september,
the
board
authorized
staff
to
proceed
with
a
two-step
process.
The
first
step
is
the
alternatives
and
funding
analysis,
the
results
of
which
are
the
subject
of
tonight's
meeting.
M
This
step
included
two
presentations
to
the
sustainability
committee.
One
update
to
the
boc,
an
in-person
public
meeting
and
an
online
survey
using
our
connect.
Tarpon
springs
portal,
so
we
had
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
public
input
to
this
point.
The
second
step
of
that
process
that
we
talked
about
back
in
september
will
be
the
preparation
and
submittal
of
grant
funding
applications
depending
on
board
approval.
If
we
you
get
the
approval
to
move
forward
with
that
and
which
option
you
want
us
to
move
forward
with.
M
So
finally,
here
you've
been
provided
tonight's
slides
and
your
backup,
as
well
as
the
reports
from
which
the
slides
were
generated
so
based
on
that
I've
asked
mr
stewart
to
keep
his
comments
brief,
as
he
goes
through
the
slides
to
allow
more
time
for
questions
at
the
end.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
johnny
stewart.
Q
Thank
you
bob,
mr
mayor
commissioners,
other
city
officials,
members
of
the
public,
so
I'll
just
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
project
and
the
summary
to
date
of
where
we've
got
into
just
quick
agenda
for
this
presentation,
a
very
quick
snapshot
of
a
fluttershy
overview
for
whitcomb
bayou,
with
which
I'm
sure
all
of
you
are
very
familiar,
just
a
brief
summary
of
what
the
work
that's
being
completed
today,
that
bob
just
summarized
and
then
we'll
dive
in
a
little
bit
more
into
the
alternatives,
analyses
for
shoreline
protection
options
and
some
recommendations
and
then
show
how
that
aligns
with
different
funding
options
at
the
state
and
federal
level
and
then
some
time
for
questions
so
just
really
quickly
on
a
flood
risk
overview.
Q
Q
So,
as
you
know,
in
wiccan
bayou,
as
with
many
places
in
florida,
you're
seeing
increased
flood
risks
as
a
result
of
extreme
high
tide
events,
your
regular
summer,
heavy
precipitation
events
and,
of
course,
storm
surge
associated
with
hurricanes
and
tropical
storms.
All
of
these
flood
risks
are
being
exasperated
by
rising
sea
levels,
so
completed
work
today,
bob
just
summarized
this.
Q
So
again,
we
did
a
very
high
level
overview
initially
and
screening
of
some
potential
alternatives
then
got
some
input
from
the
sustainability
committee
and
also
members
of
the
public,
and
then
we
went
into
a
whole
a
deeper
feasibility
analysis
based
on.
Can
these
alternatives
be
fundable?
Are
they
engineering
sound
and
then
also
a
major
component
of
feasibility
is
the
preferences
of
the
general
public
as
well,
and
here
we
are
today.
Q
So
our
study
yielded
four
primary
alternatives
for
protection
around
the
bayou,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
state
that
we
are
looking
for
a
complete
bayou
protection,
so
that
encompasses
areas
under
county
control
and
also
city
control,
roughly
50
50
for
the
bayou.
So
the
first
one
is
a
t
wall,
as
the
name
signifies
is
a
concrete
wall
with
an
inverted
t.
Q
This
has
been
deployed
successfully
other
places
in
the
country,
especially
in
louisiana.
There
are
some
some
advantages
to
this.
This
can
be
adapted
to
fur
to
future
conditions
as
those
conditions
change
and
then
some
of
the
major
disadvantages
is
they.
It
could
potentially
compromise
some
views,
although
the
protection
levels
that
we're
looking
at
is
to
the
again
to
the
10-year
flood
period,
which
is
about
5.8
foot
of
elevation,
which
is
roughly
in
unison
with
existing
mangrove
heights
there.
Q
So
vista
shouldn't
be
that
that
affected
watertight
gate
must
be
installed
for
each
private
docks
which
will
have
to
be
self-maintained,
and
we
estimate
the
the
cost
of
this
to
be
about
nine
to
fifty
million
on
the
high
end
I'll
just
say
this
once,
and
this
is
applicable
to
all
of
the
different
alternatives.
Q
Q
Secondly,
one
of
the
alternatives
that
we
explored
was
road
raising
and
again.
This
is
to
the
to
about
5.8
foot
elevation,
which
is
a
10-year
flood
elevation.
Q
One
of
the
potential
disadvantages
with
this
is:
when
you
elevate
a
road,
then
there
could
be
potential
spillover
of
flood
waters
into
surrounding
properties,
something
I
forgot
to
mention
for,
in
addition
to
the
vertical
liftgate
for
all
of
these
alternatives
as
well,
we
will,
or
we
have
proposed,
to
incorporate
live-in
shoreline
features
and
I'll
go
into
a
little
bit
about
that
in
a
second
advantage
of
raising
the
roads.
Q
The
third
alternative
that
we
explored
was
an
earthen
berm,
so
that
is
raisin
with
a
mound
feature
going
around
the
bayou,
and
that
would
be
a
three
to
one
slope
on
either
side
of
it.
One
of
the
potential
drawbacks
with
this
is
that
you,
you
need
a
good
amount
of
right-of-way
space
to
to
do
this.
However,
this
allows
for
a
lot
of
green
and
a
lot
of
green
infrastructure
and
living
shoreline
features
as
well,
because
of
that
slope.
Q
So
some
areas
where
you
have
wider
right-of-ways
are
more
conducive
to
the
berm
feature
and
then
others
are
more
conducive
to
the
t-wall,
where
you
have
smaller
spaces
and
the
edges
of
those
two
t-walls
can
be
buried
into
the
berm.
So
this
alternative
proposes
to
implement
these
features
complementary
to
each
other,
where
they
make
sense
and
then
doing
a
combination
of
the
t
wall
and
the
berm.
You
minimize
disruption
to
mangroves.
Q
If
you
were
just
going
to
do
the
berm
itself,
because
with
the
t
wall,
you
don't
have
that
expensive
footprint
heading
into
the
waterways
like
with
the
berm,
as
I
mentioned,
for
each
of
these,
we'll
be
proposing
a
vertical
lift
gate
at
the
bridge,
and
that
will
be
when
there's
not
a
storm
event.
Q
Eastern
portion
of
the
projector,
where
you
have
those
canals
to
prevent,
protect
from
surge
from
entering
those
those
areas
and
again
live
in
shorelines
is
an
important
component
that
we
want
to
integrate
into
all
of
these
alternatives,
for
a
variety
of
reasons
for
the
natural
and
ecosystem
benefits.
The
community
benefits
that
they
they
result
in,
and
also
many
of
the
funding
streams
that
we
explore
live
in
shoreline
is
certainly
advantageous
to
making
those
applications
more
competitive.
Q
As
I
mentioned,
we
incorporated
public
feedback
into
analyzing
feasibility
of
these
options.
This
is
a
combination
of
results,
garnish
from
the
public
meeting,
as
well
as
the
online
survey.
The
berm
feature
was
the
overwhelmingly
the
most
favored
alternative
forest,
aesthetic
reasons
for
its
its
ability
to
incorporate
natural
features
and
also
for
the
potential
to
incorporate
recreational
features
like
potentially
a
walkway
and
some
other
things.
Q
Road
raisin
came
second,
the
tu
all
was
third,
any
combination
of
any
of
those
sorry,
the
t-wall
was
fourth
any
combination.
A
hybrid
alternative
was
third.
Why
we
proposed
the
tu
versus
road
racing
again?
Is
the
disadvantages
associated
with
road
raisin
and
potentially
some
drainage
improvements
that
would
have
to
be
made
at
the
property
level
and
some
connections
and
the
potential
for
unintended
consequences
of
flooding
spilling
over
into
properties
and
then
also
costs
disruption
and
etc.
Q
Q
How
to
share
data,
identify
matching
funds
on
both
ends,
etc,
how
to
sequence
and
harmonize
plans
on
the
county
and
the
city
side
so
on
and
so
forth.
Q
And
then
another
major
recommendation
is
to
implement
the
funding
strategy
that
I'll
go
into
shortly
and
to
complete
a
vulnerability
assessment,
which
I
know
is
already
underway
with
some
state
funding
and
I'll
explain
why
that
is
important
in
a
few
seconds
and
then
also
to
start
and
continue
collecting
data,
especially
with
the
company's
help
who
has
a
lot
of
relevant
data
sets
that
could
help
to
inform
this
project
so
in
putting
forth
an
application.
Q
Q
Q
The
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
that
was
recently
passed
has
set
forth
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
for
upgrading
infrastructure
for
resilience
and
has
focus
on
climate
resilience,
so
things
that
do
with
coastal
resilience,
sea
level
rise,
flooding,
etc,
and
then
also
projects
that
deal
with
environmental
justice
issues,
more
socio-economic,
low-income
type,
issues,
etc
and
equity.
Q
At
the
state
level,
it's
actually
a
very
good
time
for
state
funding,
there's
an
unprecedented
amount
of
funding
for
resilience
and
hazard
mitigation
coming
from
the
state
to
one
of
the
main
programs
that
is
getting
a
lot
of
attention
now
is
the
brazilian
florida
program
of
which
I
believe
the
city
has
received
some
some
planning
funding
for
which
to
do
its
vulnerability
assessment.
Q
That's
really
critical,
because
without
that,
then
you
can't
get
the
the
implementation
projects
so
those
that
move
to
construction,
but
even
beyond
the
state
program
and
the
state
funding
having
that
vulnerability
assessment
in
place
is
key
for
many
of
these
federal
funding
programs,
whether
or
not
it's
specifically
required.
Q
So
some
of
our
recommendations
around
the
how
to
look
into
different
funding
options
continue
with
the
data
collection
that
we'll
need
to
make
sure
you
have
as
complete
and
as
competitive
an
application
as
possible.
That
really
involves
cooperation
with
the
county
and
their
data
as
well
complete
that
vulnerability
assessment
that
I
know
is
underway,
that's
specific
to
the
state
funding,
but
again
also
sets
you
up
for
a
more
competitive
application
at
the
federal
level
for
various
funding
streams
for
some
of
fema's,
very
competitive
programs.
Q
Q
These
programs
are
highly
highly
highly
competitive,
fema
just
announced
awards
for
last
year's
application,
and
I
think
only
53
of
the
competitive
for
the
national
competition
grants
were
53
awards
nationwide,
so
it's
very
competitive
and
there
are
a
few
things
that
they
look
at,
such
as
levels
of
protections
that
you're
going
for
and
then
also
they
have
been
favoring
disadvantaged
communities
economically
and
socially
disadvantaged
communities,
for
which
the
whitcombe
bayou
project
here
has
defined,
specifically
the
census
tracts
with
the
justice
40
initiative,
for
which
these
programs
find
the
economic.
Q
The
disadvantaged
communities
are
not
within
the
project
career,
but
there
are
some
that
are
nearby,
so
these
are
very
competitive.
However,
we
live
in
florida,
so
unfortunately,
one
of
the
things
that
are
almost
a
certainty
is
that
at
some
point,
maybe
before
november
30th,
there
may
be
a
federally
declared
disaster
as
a
result
of
a
hurricane
or
a
tropical
storm,
and
that
sets
you
up
that
releases.
Q
Other
funds,
such
as
the
female
hazard
mitigation
grant
program,
which
is
more
controlled
by
the
state
in
terms
of
awardees,
and
that
gives
you
more
chance
of
being
funded
as
well.
So
we
need
to
be
ready
for
when
that
happens,
and
that
could
also
release
some
hud
funding
as
well.
For
a
community
disaster
block
grant.
Q
But
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
look
at
some
of
the
nfap
insured
property,
some
of
the
severe
repetitive
laws
and
repo
repetitive
loss
properties
in
the
area
should
they
exist
for
some
individual
property
mitigation
options
for
those
properties
to
complement
what
we're
doing
here
by
ui
and
that
could
be
elevation
and
some
other
things
and
then
stay
abreast
of
all
the
developments
at
the
federal
level
with
the
partisan
infrastructure
law,
there's
going
to
be
significant
funding
coming
out
of
that,
so
just
a
very
quick
snapshot
of
our
our
project.
Q
There
was
a
lot
more
detail
in
your
in
your
backup
documents
and
I
will
turn
it
over.
A
Thank
you
before
we
get
started
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comments.
First,
we're
done
mr
robertson
with
the
presentation.
Okay,
I
do
have
a
question
for
you.
What
what
is
your?
What
are
you
looking
for
from
us
tonight?
You
and
I
had
a
brief
conversation.
You
would
like
a
vote.
Is
that
right
on
picking
one
of
the
alternatives
am
I
am
I
wrong.
M
A
E
Good
evening,
everyone,
mary
coburn
425
south
spring
boulevard,
tarpon
springs
also,
I'm
here
representing
my
parents
who
live
next
door
at
433
and
they
also
own
the
athena
apartments,
which
is
from
441-449,
which
is
the
immediately
affected
property
here
on
this.
E
So
I
I
went
through
the
back
up
and
I
want
to
give
you
my
my
thinking
about
some
of
these
options.
The
road
the
raising
the
road
to
me
was
the
most
frightening
from
a
property
owner's
standpoint,
because
even
in
their
comments,
they
they
say
that
there's
a
potential
for
runoff
rainwater
and
also
seawater,
if
there's
a
flood
event
into
your
property.
So
to
me,
and
you
know,
and
having
cars
driving
and
it's
it's
really
going
to
change
your
whole
house.
E
So
to
me,
that
is
an
option
that
I
hope
you
all
don't
even
consider
is
raising
the
road
around
the
bayou.
The
only
way
to
do
that
is,
if
you
offered
low
interest
loans
to
all
the
property
owners
to
raise
their
houses,
because
otherwise
it
changes
changes
everything.
So
I
hope
you
eliminate
that
option
completely.
E
I
was
really
taken
with
the
with
the
wall.
I
know
most
people
didn't
like
it,
but
if
you're
living
there
and
you're
gonna
have
three
feet
of
water
in
your
kitchen,
the
wall
looks
pretty
good
because
it
works,
but
you
know
it's
not
the
most
attractive
thing
which
it
can
be
made
more
attractive
than
just
the
concrete
slab,
that's
shown,
which
is
computer
easy,
but
it
can
be
made
more
attractive.
E
E
But
I
like
the
wall
because
it
works
and
it
and
I'm
assuming
that
it's
going
to
be
at
the
height
of
the
current
mangroves.
So
it's
really
not
going
to
change
the
view
very
much
for
property
owners.
E
E
The
problem
that
I
feel
might
occur
with
the
berm
is
you'll
get
runoff,
also
from
a
berm,
so
you
need
a
large
area
on
the
other
side,
I'm
assuming
it's
also
going
to
be
at
the
height
of
the
current
mangroves,
so
that
the
people
in
these
older
homes
are
going
to
be
able
to
see
because
they're
paying
a
lot
of
you
know
water,
front
and
water
view
taxes
there,
but
again
aesthetics
come
second
for
a
homeowner.
That's
right
on
that
road,
because
flooding
does
happen
there
and
I've
experienced
flooding
in
the
20
some
odd
years.
E
We've
bought
our
house
and
I've
lived
on
the
bayou
since,
since
I
was
in
seventh
grade,
so
I've
seen
a
lot
there
and
another
point
I
I
want
to
make
and
present
to
to
bob
when
we
have
these
hurricanes,
the
water
does
come
in,
but
it
goes
out
really
quick.
Are
these
these
measures
that
you're
gonna
prepare
there?
Are
they
gonna
affect
the
ability
for
the
water
to
flow
back
out?
E
So
I
think
most
people
wanted
both
the
tea,
the
tea
wall
and
the
berm
features,
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
most
practical
approach.
At
least
we
have
to
do
something,
and
it's
a
beginning.
So
you
know
probably
that
would
be
my
recommendation
if,
if
you
didn't
want
to
put
a
wall
all
the
way
around
to
buy
you,
so
the
the
time
may
come
when
when
you'll
have
to
but
annie,
are
you
willing
to
give
me
two
minutes?
Annie's
marcus
will
give
me
two
more
minutes.
E
So,
as
far
as
the
lift
gate
at
the
bridge,
a
couple
other
things
I
thought
about-
the
buyer
used
to
be
dredged
when
it
was
part
of
the
channel
and
it
hasn't
been
dredged,
and
mr
lakers
would
know
how
long
it's
been.
It's
been
a
long
time.
E
E
Is
it
impossible
down
the
road,
probably
not
now,
but
down
the
road
to
put
a
lift
gate
at
beckett
bridge,
or
does
that
cause
too
much
problems
for
the
river
and
the
ankle
river
mounted
ankle
river
is
pretty
narrow.
I
know
it
sounds
crazy,
but
you
know
in
the
netherlands
they
do
it.
Can
you
put
a
lift
gate
in
that
area
and
prevent
a
lot
of
the
water
to
come
through?
E
These
are
big
ideas,
but
they
might,
they
might
end
up
being
down
the
road,
but
for
this
particular
thing
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
the
t-wall
berm
combination.
I
would
ask
you
to
avoid
at
the
the
road
raising
the
road
and
what
was
the
other
one.
There
was
a
third
one,
just
the
berms
by
themselves.
I
don't
think
that's
practical
either,
because
there's
not
the
space
around
the
body,
so
I
think
you
have
to
go
with
the
combination,
so
I
tend
to
agree
with
that.
K
Melody
ingle
700
lanston.
I
I'm
confused
where
this
liftgate
is
going,
but
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
the
alternatives.
Miss.
K
Sorry,
that's,
okay,
okay,
all
right!
So
the
t
wall.
I
was
looking
at
that
yeah
it's
pretty
unattractive.
Have
we
have
we
considered
what
that's
going
to
do
in
terms
of
the
noise
with
the
cars
with
the
roads
there
is
there
going
to
be
an
echo
coming
off
that
wall
and
making
it
even
more
obnoxious,
I'm
just
curious
how
bad
that's
going
to
be
for
those
of
us
who
want
to
sit
on
our
patio.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
a
sound,
if
there's
a
sound
study
at
all,
have
we
considered
that
okay,
the
road
raising
I
I
have
the
same
comments
that
she
did?
What
happens
on
the
other
side
and
the
houses?
I
don't
see
how
that's
even
an
option
here
unless
there's
just
something,
I'm
missing.
How
do
you
do
that
when
a
lot
of
these
houses
are
here
and
you
raise
the
road
so
that
just
doesn't
even
make
any
sense,
especially
considering
how
narrow
the
the
pathways
are?
K
So
again,
I
just
didn't
understand
how
that
was
feasible.
So
now
we
go
to
the
earth
berm,
which
sounds
great
too.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
in
your
organization
wouldn't
walked
around,
but
there's
sections
where
there's
only
18
inches
from
the
road
in
the
waterway
and
that's
my
house
anyways.
So
so
you
at
that
point.
What
do
you
do
with
the
existing
docs
and
everything
else?
Do
you
have
us
move
all
our
docs
back
and
take
up
more
water
space?
K
Are
you
going
to
consult
any
of
the
property
owners
that
have
all
those
riparian
rights
and
that
kind
of
thing
before
you
do
that
which
I
would
probably
say
yes
to
okay,
but
you
know,
I
think
you
have
to
talk
to
the
people
that
actually
own
that
to
see
you
know
see
how
that's
going
to
affect
them
and
what
they
think
of
that
and
and
the
hybrid
looks
like
the
best
alternative.
K
I
didn't
really
understand
about
the
gate
to
go
in
the
docks.
If
that
was
absolutely
foolproof,
if
you
have
a
hurricane
coming
in
a
serious
storm
surge,
I
mean
how
much
pressure
can
those
gates
take
and
if
one
breaks
then
what
happens?
Does
the
whole
wall
explode
like
it
does
in
the
house
when
the
one
window
opens
up
the
entire
house
implodes?
So
I
don't
know
if
we're
considering
all
of
these
options
in
the
event
of
a
of
a
natural
disaster.
K
K
So
if
you
go
and
you
talk
to
those
people
rather
than
doing
reports,
you
probably
get
some
information.
That
would
be
really
useful
and
might
postpone
this
vote
tonight,
because
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
elevate
and
do
some
different
things
if
it's
not
outlined
in
here
how
high
you're
going
to
go.
So
that's
not
in
here
at
all,
so
I
don't
know
what
you're
voting
on.
K
G
Paul
robinson,
948
bayshore.
I
want
to
thank
mr
robertson
and
mr
stewart
for
the
two
presentations
they
gave
to
our
sustainability,
your
sustainability
committee
quite
clear
and
quite
informative.
I
want
to
reinforce
something
that
mr
stewart
said
about
the
living
shorelines
being
a
part
of
whatever
you
choose.
You
get
a
lot
of
bang
for
your
buck
with
a
living
shoreline.
G
G
The
living
shoreline
as
a
unit
reduces
wave
action,
giving
longevity
and
giving
a
lit
gator
life
and
presents
damage
to
whatever
structure
you
pick
on
the
shore
side
and
they
create
niches
for
marine
creatures,
so
they
improve
the
water.
They
also
the
particularly
the
cord
grass
and
the
roots
of
the
cord
grass
absorb
carbon
dioxide,
remove
it
from
the
air.
So
there
are
about
five
advantages
to
living
shorelines
saturday
night.
G
I
was
part
of
a
group
of
volunteers
that
put
in
the
first
phase
of
a
living
shoreline
in
philippi
park
in
safety
harbor,
and
it's
a
you
know:
you're
lifting
35
to
40
pound
bags
and
just
handing
it
to
the
next
person
so
that
you're
taking
it
from
a
pallet
out
into
the
water
and
then
laying
it
in
the
water
to
create
a
the
hard
portion
of
a
living
shoreline
about
three
hours
of
work.
G
As
you
know,
from
previous
conversations,
the
state
has
funded
at
least
three
living
shoreline
projects
through
grants
through
resilient
florida.
I
believe
in
pinellas
county,
the
one
in
philippi
park,
gulfport,
marina
and
a
very
large
project
in
treasure
island.
B
I
don't
believe
that
the
barriers
that
are
proposed
are
are,
I
believe,
they're
just
speculative
at
best
as
to
how
effective
those
barriers
are
going
to
be,
I
think,
raising
the
road,
not
a
total
of
five
feet,
but
a
total
of
three
feet
which
would
bring
that
road.
Three
feet
above
high
tide
would
serve
sufficiently
for
this
project
and,
even
though
it
might,
we
might
have
a
road
closure
for
a
period
of
time.
I
think
just
a
three
foot
elevation
on
the
road
would
provide
what
we
need.
As
far
as
a
living
shoreline
is
concerned.
B
We
all
know
that
our
fiddler
crabs
on
the
beach
have
all
disappeared.
We
need
to
pay
attention.
You
know
to
our
living
shorelines,
our
oyster
beds
are
gone,
and
you
know
that
we
do
need
to
pay
attention
to.
I
think
a
wall
barrier
wouldn't
serve
a
living
shoreline
as
much
as
just
simply
raising
the
road
a
few
feet
on
wood.
Thank
you.
I
Personally,
I
think
the
earth
berm,
because
if
you
really
look
at
the
picture,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
go
back
to
it
to
this
one,
the
hybrid
one
where
along
the
width
can
buy
you
is
this
wall
going
to
be,
and
also
it's
kind
of
interesting
in
the
description
it
says
three
to
four
foot
roadway:
clear
zone
needed
for
pedestrian
safety.
I
There's
a
sidewalk
already
on
the
south
side
or
west
side
or
east
side,
depending
on
which
part
of
whitcomb
by
you,
you
go
around
it's
where
I
don't
see
where
you'd
have
people
walking
along
that
section
of
where
the
road
is.
Whereas
if
you
set
up
an
earthen
berm,
you
can
create
a
wider
walking
space
and
enjoyment.
I
I
I
Each
of
the
proposed
alternatives
shoreline
encompasses
element
of
a
living
shoreline.
A
greenway
situated
on
top
of
the
proposed
earthen
berm
alternative
provides
another
consideration
for
this
project.
Greenways
can
add
value
to
surrounding
properties.
I
Greenway
also
provides
an
opportunity
for
tarpon
springs
to
connect
residents
around
tarpon's
wood
combine
and
surrounding
areas
to
craig
park.
The
inclusion
of
a
living
shoreline
may
provide
additional
protection
from
wave
action
and
would
certainly
provide
ecosystem
services
that
could
augment
the
benefits
captured
as
avoided
losses
within
a
benefit
cost
analysis.
I
A
living
shoreline
may
also
enhance
the
competitiveness
of
the
project
as
more
funding
programs
seek
to
reward
nature-based
solutions,
so
I
would
advocate
for
an
earthen
berm
with
the
living
shoreline,
and
the
last
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is:
we
haven't
really
talked
about
this
vertical
gate.
That's
going
to
go
at
the
white
bayou
bridge,
two
big
columns,
a
big
gate.
In
fact
it's
talked
about
there,
the
gate's
going
to
be
open.
I
Most
of
the
time
you
got
wind
potential,
but
if
you
put
a
gate
at
the
whitcomb
bridge,
as
it's
mentioned,
you're
going
to
put
a
gate
at
craig
park
at
the
at
the
where
the
boat
launches,
because
that's
open
water
has
a
thing
of
going
to
the
lowest
spot
in
the
open
spot.
You
ask
any
plumber
that
and
they'll
tell
you
that.
So,
even
if
you
block
off
the
canals
it's
still
going
to
flow
around
through
craig
park,
it's
going
to
come
back
up
over
the
spring
bayou
sea
walls
that
we're
talking
about.
I
I
would
rather
keep
the
flow
open
and
the
minimization
of
any
restriction
of
flows,
because,
as
we
found
out
with
the
lake
okeechobee
and
the
dikes
and
all
that
stuff,
that's
where
the
problems
start.
Thank
you
thank.
A
I.T
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
C
You
I
actually
have
just
a
few
questions.
I
believe
back
in
my
memory
that
that
the
height
of
the
t
wall
and
the
height
of
the
berm
and
the
height
of
the
raised
road
were
pretty
much
all
the
same
in
spec
for
five
foot.
Eight
inches
is
that
correct.
C
Point
eight
feet:
okay,
I
knew
there's
an
aid
in
there
somewhere.
So
there
are
some
concerns
with
view.
C
So
you
list
various
major
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
for
each
of
the
scenarios.
C
One
of
the
major
disadvantages
you
listed
for
the
t
wall
was
reduced.
Views
which,
obviously
is,
is
not
the
case,
so
I
think
some
of
this
needs
to
be
sanitized.
C
C
I
think
a
heavier
explanation
on
the
type
of
gate
would
be
warranted
for
the
public
at
large,
because
I
know
that
they're
pretty
reliable,
but
I've
done
the
research
it
needs
to
be
better
expressed
as
far
as
the
road
raising,
I
think,
just
the
cost
and
the
function
keeps
it
out
of
that.
One
of
the
major
advantages
listed
was
that
the
roads
and
access
function
during
storm
events
well
from
my
conception,
the
t
wall
and
the
berm
are
supposed
to
keep
flooding
off
the
road.
So
it's
accessible.
C
C
I
think
it's
pretty
much
agreed
from
the
from
the
public
comments.
We've
heard
that
the
earth
berm
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
the
preferred
methods
of
of
mitigating
this.
I
see
pictures
here
with
the
earth
berm
and
I
know
their
their
artist
conceptions
and
stuff
like
that.
My
understanding
was
that
putting
the
earthworm
up
there
is
going
to
mean
ribbing
out
every
palm
tree.
That's
on
whitcomb
at
this
particular
time
that
we
can't
go
and
replant
palm
trees
on
this
earth
berm
because
it
negates
the
structure
of
the
berm
itself.
C
I
think,
from
a
funny
perspective
that,
because
of
just
because
of
the
size
of
this
project,
the
city's
been
asked
for
a
grant
manager
for
so
long
that
we
may
just
put
one
just
on
this
project
and
continue
to
carry
him
on
with
the
city,
because
that's
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
money,
I'm
particularly
not
impressed
with
the
idea
of
a
vertical
lift
gate.
C
I
understand
the
importance
of
connecting
the
canals
behind
it,
but
all
of
us
who
live
on
the
water
in
tarpon
springs
are
subject
to
raising
water.
All
of
us
who
aren't
on
that
particular
sense.
I've
had
to
do
things
like
gray,
sea
walls.
I
mean
it's
happened
in
my
neighborhood
continually
for
the
last
six
years,
including
my
property
and
several
adjacent
properties.
C
I
would
be
more
of
a
more
attuned
to
the
idea
of
that
was
kind
of
buried
within
the
in
the
minutia
of
the
of
the
of
the
project
that
that
we
have
a
sea
wall
ordinance
for
those
people
that
live
behind
that
particular
bridge.
C
That
means
that
you
know
if
the
sea
wall
right
or
the
the
water
rises
and
they
have
to
repair
their
sea
walls
or
they
have
to
do
damage
after
a
prayer
and
raise
their
sea
walls.
I
think
that's
pretty
much
expected
of
everybody
who
has
the
sea
wall
on
any
bayou
in
in
the
whole
of
tarpon
springs,
so
I
think
those
are
considerations
that
we
we
need
to
take
into
consideration
when
we
develop
a
plan
moving
forward
and
lots
of
my
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
christopher
carr,.
L
Thanks
mayor,
real
quick,
I
think
alternative
three.
The
earth
berm
is
the
way
to
go.
I
can
see
alternative
four
being
used
as
well
too,
but
in
my
opinion,
I
think
the
earth
perm
is
the
way
to
go.
We
could
replace
the
mangroves
if
we
need
to
as
part
of
the
living
shore.
I
appreciate
the
public
comments
on
that
as
well
too.
L
M
I
think
you're
confusing
the
bridges
this
is.
This
would
be
at
the
whitcomb
bridge,
whitcomb.
M
M
M
L
And
that
prevents
water
from
going
into
ultra
19,
because
I
know
that
connects
to
the
the
storm
drains
and
you'll
see
that
on
alternating
at
times
too.
So
I
can
see
the
importance
of
that.
I
would
support
the
lift
gate
in
that
aspect.
Okay,
thanks
for
clarifying
that
the
maintenance
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
proposed.
Is
that
just
kind
of
like
a
wag
or
is
that.
M
It's
a
combination
of
reinforcement
built
into
the
berm
as
well.
As
you
know,
erosion
controls
vegetation
on
the
top,
but
ultimately
it's
a
it's
a
maintenance
item.
You
have
to
continue
to
monitor
and
maintain
it.
L
Okay,
so
if
you
could
go
to
the
picture
with
the
berm,
I
think
it
is
on
this
county
yep
that
one
so
that's
county
road
on
the
bottom
left
and
it
looks
like
it's
putting
more
dirt
into
the
bayou
in
creating
the
berm.
Is
that
part
of
the
application
is
to
apply
for
the
mango
removal
adding
more
dirt,
where
historically,
there
had
been
and
then
making
it
solidified.
So
the
road
doesn't
fall
into
the
bayou
and
then
also
the
values
that
come
into
the
road.
Am
I
understanding
that
that.
L
M
So
this
project
would
have
to
include
modifications
for
drainage
to
allow
for
swales
that
would
fall
along
the
road
there
until
you
get
to
a
point
where
it
can
positively
discharge
to
the
bayou
when
the
tides
are
low,
got
it
okay,
just
like
a
normal
situation,
but
in
this
case
all
the
outfalls
would
have
the
the
tide
flex
check
valves
to
prevent
the
time
from
coming
through.
L
L
L
F
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
just
did
want
to
speak
first
about
the
this
lift
gate.
That's
only
70
17
to
30
million
dollars.
F
So
we
would
be
spending
30
million
dollars
or
or
about
just
to
protect
one
area.
Okay,
let
me
ask
you:
why
are
the
doors
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
wall.
F
Because
any
one
of
the
doors
that
breaks
the
whole
walls
of
uselessness,
correct,
okay,
so
I'm
not
in
favor
of
this
at
all,
there's
just
too
many
ways
that
it
would
be
a
very
expensive
project
that
would
not
give
us
the
security.
F
F
I
heard
somebody
say
something
about
how
much
the
sound
would
be
for
the
wall.
It
would
be
tremendous.
It
would
reverberate
all
the
car
noise
back
at
the
people.
They
would
not
be
able
to
sleep,
it
would
sound
like
a
highway
so-
and
I
know
that
also
because
we
use
walls
on
highways
to
restrict
the
noise
from
the
highway
to
residential.
F
I
I've
looked
at
all
of
these,
which
ways
and
shapes
and
forms
that
water
could
come
in,
and
I
see
that
the
earth
berm
alternate
three
alternative.
Three,
rather
is
probably
the
least
expensive
and
most
value
that
we
can
get
out
of
the
bang
for
the
buck.
In
my
opinion,
I
really
am
I'm
not
fond
of
the
wall
at
all.
F
I
think
that
if
we
use
the
berm,
it
would
be
the
best,
but
the
only
concern
I
have
is
that
water
that
comes
in
from
natural
resources
from
the
sky
has
a
way
to
get
back
through
the
burn.
So
I
would
presume
we
would
have
to
put
check
valves
and
possibly
drainage
all
the
way
around,
because
otherwise
we'd
be
just
be
flooding
people's
houses
again.
The
other
way
correct.
Okay,
so
that's
those
are
the
ways
that
I
see
that
this
would
work.
F
I
don't
know
if
we
would
have
to
raise
the
roadway
in
a
couple
of
spots
even
to
make
like
a
a
bump
or
a
hump,
so
that
water
wouldn't
come
in
through
the
you
know,
cremer
bayou
area,
because
you
know
if
we
get
a
five
three
foot.
Four
foot
surge:
that's
going
to
be
bad.
I
know
that
right
now,
it's
about
two
foot
that
we
deal
with
when
we
have
those
king,
tides,
that's
when
that
goes
underwater,
but
really
we
don't
get
anything
more
than
two
foot.
F
F
M
I
see
like
the
frp
sea
walls.
M
F
I'm
not
talking
about
just
leaving
it
high
and
and
unsightly
I
would
be
talking
about.
You
know,
we're
speaking
about
dredging
as
well
or
doing
a
berm
putting
you
know
product
on
the
other
side,
just
giving
it
a
little
bit
of
a
firmer
stancher.
F
You
know
against
what
could
come
and
it
wouldn't
allow
the
berm
to
run
back
into
the
into
the
bayou.
I'm
just
it's
something
to
look
into.
That's
all
I'm
saying
right
now,
I'd
be
going
for
root.
You
know
for
alternative
three,
but
I
I
would
like
to
hear
what
that
would
cost
versus
these
and
and
hear
how
that
might
help
versus
this.
M
F
Well,
the
lift
gate
I'm
not
in
favor
of
at
all.
Like
I
said,
that's
you
unless
you
put
a
lift
gate
out
at
the
ankle.
You
know
inlet
you're,
not
stopping
that
water
from
coming.
It's
coming
one
way
or
another,
and
it
comes
in
a
surge.
It
comes
in
so
quick,
there's,
there's
nothing
you
could
do
you
could
just
watch
it
come
in.
So
that's
all!
I
really
want
to
say
I
I
just
I.
I
don't
want
to
see
a
lift
gate
and
I
don't
really
would
would
go
with
a
natural
berm.
O
O
O
This
I
know
this
project's
been
presented
at
a
10-year
plane
and
flood
plain,
and
we
discussed
it
a
little
bit.
But
the
reason
why
we're
not
trying
to
plan
beyond
a
ten
year
plane
is
basically
the
aesthetics
around
it
and
the
the
height
that
can
come
with
it.
That
won't
be
aesthetically
pleasing
to
the
bayou
area
and
cost
and
cost
okay.
O
O
So
with
that
said,
is
there
an
option
that
you
recommend
between
three
and
four
that
will
allow
to
build
up
on
the
progress
that's
already
been
made
with
either
interlocking
of
a
t-wall
levee
system
or
extending
the
berm.
O
If
a
t-wall
is
built
sort
of
by
this,
the
boat
ramp
over
by
craig
park,
is
it
does
that
boat
ramp
have
to
go
away,
does
it
you
know,
can
it
stay.
O
O
The
the
rip
rap
that
we
that's
currently
on
the
bayou
the
option
with
the
berm
has
the
ability
to
take
out
some
of
that
riprap
and
maybe
extend
some
of
that
land
out
into
the
water.
Technically,
yes,
okay,
yeah
and.
O
I'd
like
to
ask:
what
do
you
recommend
what
what
from
the.
O
Q
Well,
for
one
thing
I
think
it's
important
to
well.
You
touched
on
a
good
point.
One
I
mean
in
an
ideal
world.
You
would
want
to
protect
to
a
higher
level
a
flood
event
feasibility
wise
because
of
the
compromisation
of
views
because
of
the
costs
and
because
of
the
extent
of
where
you
need
to
protect,
it
may
not
be
feasible
to
do
so.
Q
I
also
think
it's
just
me
sports
myself.
I
think
it's
important
to
I.
I
think
one
of
the
commissioners
touched
on
it
that
that
water
is
going
to
come
in
regardless,
so
we're
trying
to
and
the
way
we
calculate
so,
for
example,
the
benefit
cost
ratio
to
make
this
this
this
competitive
by
federal
funding
standards
is
you're
trying
to
mitigate
as
much
as
you
can
avoiding
those
losses
and
reducing
those
damages.
Q
So
there's
no
one
solution,
especially
with
the
limitations
that
we
have
in
terms
of
level
protection
that
we
can
go
to.
That
can
be
that
perfect
solution.
So
there
are
some
trade-offs
inherent
in
all
of
these
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
to
the
point
that
that
that
agrees
with
the
community
character
and
and
what
the
residents
want
to
see,
but
that
can
also
mitigate
some
of
those
damages
that
you
would
expect
in
some
of
these
storm
events,
but
you're
not
going
to
stop
everything.
Q
Okay,
yeah
and
if
and
to
answer
your
question.
I
think
the
confluence
of
all
of
these
different
factors,
and
especially
what
the
community
wants
to
see,
is
probably
a
combination
or
something
that
includes
that
earthen
berm.
O
The
importance
of
it
is
to
stop
water
coming
into
that
canal
area
into
the
canal
and
beyond
and
beyond.
The
check
valves
that
will
be
installed
should
be
able
to
cover
any
storm
surge
coming
from
underneath.
O
Thank
you.
Both
my
recommendation
is,
is
to
go
with
a
hybrid.
I
think
they'll
be
able
to
consult
and
decide
where
you
know
portions
of
it
can
and
can't
go,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
this
is
a
big
project
and
there's
going
to
be
additions
down
the
road
in
the
future.
So
we
need
to
try
to
have
those
expectations.
O
L
L
Q
Yeah,
not
necessarily
I
mean
we
would
do
they're
a
multi-layered
approach
of
leveraging
various
funding
sources
and
you
can
also
potentially
do
it
for
various
components
of
the
project.
So,
for
example,
I
think
there
was
a
comment
about-
and
you
know
maybe
doing
some
bumps
in
the
road
or
something
sure
I
highlighted
some
dlt
grants
that
are
for
transportation
infrastructure
to
make
them
more
resilient
to
coastal
hazards.
So
we
would
and
some
of
these
funding
programs
the
especially
with
the
dot
one
dlt
ones.
Q
The
guidance
hasn't
been
released,
yet
the
novels
haven't
come
out
yet.
But
what
we
try
to
do
with-
and
we've
been
very
successful
in
doing
so-
is
try
to
align
the
needs
of
the
project
and
the
timelines
of
the
project
to
align
with
the
the
timelines
of
the
various
funding
streams
based
on
what
you
want
to
achieve.
So
it
would
be
a
combination
of
state,
federal
and
other
sources
that
we
could
leverage
and
then
also
you
know
in
harmonization
with
what
the
county
is
trying
to
do
as
well.
L
Q
Q
L
Okay,
the
touch
space
in
the
docks,
I
think
it's
imperative
to
have
the
city
maintain
those
doors
and
that
it's
not
a
private
maintenance
at
all.
So
if
the
berm
route,
where
to
go,
you
still
have
to
have
those
dock
doors
there
right.
M
No,
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding
the
question:
if
it
was
all
berm,
then
we
wouldn't
have
t-walls
and
you
wouldn't
have
the
doors
to
access
the
homeowners.
L
M
L
Of
mlk
in
south
spring
again,
blue
sky,
flooding,
polis
and
wood,
came
by
blue
sky
flooding.
When
you
come
around
the
other
side
towards
cleveland
and
golf
road,
there's
blue
sky
flooding
there
too.
So
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
I
think
this
is
a
great
step
forward
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
supporting.
A
My
point
is:
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We're
talking
tonight,
they're
excellent
questions,
but
they're
not
going
to
get
solved
tonight
and
you
need
something
at
the
whitcomb
bridge,
or
else
the
water
is
going
to
come
in
through
the
canal
up
over
the
seawall
and
back
right
down
into
spring
bayou
again,
so
I
mean
spring
boulevard
and
and
same
thing
for
whitman
boulevard.
So
something
has
got
to
be
there.
A
There's
ada
issues
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
put
a
berm
and
just
have
somebody
climb
up
the
hill
and
go
back
down
to
their
dock.
Again,
that's
city
property.
Unless
we
talking
about
it's
some
kind
of
a
hill
climbing
trail
or
something
like
that,
but
there's
going
to
have
to
be
almost
a
flat
area
through
there
and
it's
city
property,
a
gate
is
going
to
be
maintained
by
the
city.
I
mean
I,
your
there's:
no
reliability,
no
responsibility,
part
of
the
residence,
I'm
not
sure.
If
five
foot
eight.
A
This
lift
gate
would
probably
be
have
to
be
an
agreement
by
the
county
to
we'd
have
to
work
something
out
as
far
as
how
that's
going
to
work
as
far
as
the
maintenance,
that's.
A
A
Said
that's
city,
road,
yeah,
no,
okay,
well,
that'll
be
our
lift
gate.
Then
that's
disappointing.
A
A
If
this
is
what
you
want
and
and
we're
looking
for
we're
going
to
have
a
motion
tonight,
we've
got
a
vote
on.
It
is
a
hybrid.
I
don't
see
how
you
can
get
strictly
by
with
just
the
berm,
without
some
kind
of
a
wall
for
probably
providing
access
to
the
docks
and
some
other
areas
where
the
distance
from
the
edge
of
the
water
to
the
curb
is
is
not
it's
way
too
narrow
to
to
put
in
a
berm.
Of
course
you
could.
B
A
To
get
fill
permits,
which
I
doubt
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
in
that
area
anyway.
So
that's
my
choice
for
this
evening
and
and
but
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
we
did
public
comments.
A
We're
gonna
have
to
have
a
motion
and
a
second
as
far
as
the
approach
and
and
if,
if
you
want
something
other
than
a
hybrid
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
and
see
if
you
can
get
a
second,
if
you
get
a
second,
then
we'll
do
a
vote
and
see
if
it
passes
and
if
not,
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
hybrid
or
or
however
y'all
want
to
do
it
so
sure.
I
need
a
motion
on
something,
so
we
can
get
this
evening
moving.
F
You
made
mention
that
the
boat
launch
would
be
fine
the
way
it
is.
I'm
I'm
having
problems
with
that
because
it
would
have
to.
If
that
water
came
up
a
foot
or
two
feet.
It
would
come
right
down
spring
street
and
come.
M
I
mean
this
is
something
that
we'll
certainly
have
to
double
check
and
design,
but
the
the
the
crest
of
that
ramp,
I
believe,
is
already
at
the
elevation
necessary,
so
the
ramp
would
obviously
be
able
to
maintain.
It
might
need
an
adjustment
as
part
of
the
project.
Maybe
you
know
there's
some
parking
lot
adjustments
to
to
hit
that
elevation,
but
I
don't
believe
there's
any
major
adjustments
necessary,
but
it's
something
we'll
look
at
when
we
get
into
final
design
understand.
F
R
F
And
the
other
thing
is,
I
just
also
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
around
the
bayou.
There
is,
you
know,
cleveland
place
in
and
around
there,
that's
all
private
homes.
What
are
you
doing
there
cleveland?
It's
it's
a
little
north
of
golf.
There's,
there's
a
a
house
up
for
auction
right
there.
It's
it's
a
brick
house
on
on
the
corner.
F
That
is
all
that
would
all
come
back
and
around
the
whitcomb
bayou.
If
you
know
so,
how
would
you
be
doing
that
there
is
a
wall
there
already
around
people's
property?
I
think
it's.
The
back
side
of
innis
drive.
F
A
Mean
that's
you're
not
going
to
get
those
answers
in
this
phase,
and-
and
my
point
is
that
all
they're
looking
for
is
which
approach
do
you
want
to
take
and
they'll
start
you
know
and
then
we'll
give
that
direction,
and
then
we'll
start
getting
answers
to
the
specific
questions
that
you're
you're
you're
raising
and
I'm
I'm
an
engineer.
I've
got.
A
You
know
you,
we
put
people
on
the
moon,
I
I
don't
have
any
doubts
that
we
can
address
this
sort
of
stuff.
It's
just.
We
need
to
give
them
a
chance
to
be
able
to
give
answers
to
your
questions
and
I've
got
the
arcadis
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
is
one
of
the
world's
leading
experts
in
this
area,
and
that's
why
they're
on
board
here
and
they're
going
to
come
back
and
say
mr
eisner
you're
right.
A
Or
they'll
come
back
and
give
you
a
solution
to
what
you're
describing
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
you
could
put
flood
walls
around
the
the
boat
ramp
as
well.
I'm
not
you
know,
there's
there's
a
variety
of
ways
that
we
could
deal
with
that
so
right
now
all
we're
looking
is
selecting
a
an
approach
to
allow
them
to
to
work
towards
that
and
then
get
answers
to
the
questions
that
we're
having
this
evening.
That's
all
america.
A
L
Suggest
the
earth
berm
alternative
three
with
the
as
minimal
use
as
a
high,
the
hybrid
portion
of
it
for
the
docks
and
to
include,
what's
the
gate,
called
the
gate,
the
vertical
gate,
the.
L
A
A
C
A
A
O
A
O
F
F
E
A
M
Thank
you,
mr
chorus.
I'm
bob
robertson
project
administration
department
director
keep
this
one
super
brief.
We're
asking
the
board
to
authorize
staff
to
proceed
with
one
of
two
options
for
improving
the
intersection
intersection
of
mlk
and
south
spring
boulevard.
The
first
option
is
a
standard
four-way
stop.
The
second
option
is
a
mini
roundabout.
M
M
Hartman
springs
online
portal,
where
we
found
that
just
about
60
percent
of
residents
for
just
over
sixty
percent
of
residents
prefer
to
four-way
stop
and
forty
percent
prefer
to
round
about
we're,
holding
the
project
design
right
now
at
sixty
percent,
complete,
which
is
about
as
far
as
we
can
go
without
the
final
intersection
configuration
decision
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
get
to
tonight.
M
So
with
tonight's
decision,
we'll
progress
the
design
quickly
with
the
goal
of
putting
the
project
out
to
bid
as
soon
as
possible.
We
want
to
try
to
stay
ahead
of
the
beckett
bridge
project
and
get
this
under
construction
asap.
That's.
E
I'll
be
quick,
I
I
want
you
to
do
the
four
four-way
stop,
because
it's
safer
for
people
to
walk,
there's
it.
It
doesn't
make
it
a
complicated
intersection.
It,
the
the
the
walkway,
doesn't
put
everybody
that
wants
to
cross
in
the
man's
yard.
That's
right
on
the
side
of
the
bridge.
E
It
allows
ambulances,
fire
trucks,
all
those
emergency
vehicles
to
progress
and
know
where
they
stand
in
the
in
the
in
the
area
versus
crossing
because
they
can't
fit
it's
just
a
nightmare.
E
To
put
the
roundabout,
I'm
asking
not
to
do
it
and
just
I
think,
it'd
be
great
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
not
having
flooding
down
there,
so
I
hope
y'all
get
it
done.
Thank
you.
I
It's
pretty
simple:
peter
lacks
504
ashland
avenue.
The
four-way
stop
makes
the
most
sense.
This
is
a
very
functional
intersection,
even
as
it
stands
on
its
own,
the
realignment
will
make
it
a
little
more
functional.
The
bigger
problem
has
always
been
the
flooding,
so
keep
the
4-way
just
address
the
elevations,
and
maybe
that,
like
the
way
the
diagram
looks,
it
looks
a
little
more
efficient
for
the
crossings,
but
we
don't
need
a
roundabout
there.
Thank
you.
N
I
need
a
produce,
901
base
short
drive.
I
suggest
that
with
school
starting
tomorrow,
all
of
you
go
see
the
intersection
there,
because
it's
going
to
take
over
a
year
for
the
bridge
to
be
completed,
I
was
told
down.
N
County
can
take
up
to
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
and
when
you
start
going
in
a
roundabout
with
all
the
people
going
to
the
high
school,
the
middle
school
and
the
elementary
school
forget,
it
they'll
be
going
round
and
round
and
turn
into
butter
because
they're
going
to
be
dizzy,
it's
true,
so
a
four-way
stop
is
the
way
to
go
the
ambulance,
the
school
buses
and
everything,
and
let's
not
make
butter
going
around
in
a
circle
for
all
the
parents
and
the
children.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
I.t.
Vice
mayor
lund,
I'm
going
to
go.
I'm
sorry
comment.
We
got
public
comments.
Vice
mayor
alon,
let
me
just
go
down
the
line.
L
Yeah,
real
quick,
I'm
an
advocate
for
roundabouts.
For
sure
I
have
an
understanding
that
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
accept
roundabouts
as
a
community
which
is
totally
fine.
I
support
the
four-way.
Stop
it's
an
important
area
forward.
Stop
works
for
me.
I'm
just
happy
that
we're
going
to
address
the
flooding
in
this
area
and
this
this
intersection.
Okay,.
F
O
A
Stop
the
car
okay!
Second,
second,
all
right
roll
call,
please.
B
L
J
And
just
as
she's
coming
up,
we
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
time,
but
really
we're
looking
at
direction.
We've
been
listening
since
april
we've
been
talking
to
boards.
We've
been
talking
to
commissioners.
We've
identified
some
things.
We
need
to
do
with
the
comprehensive
plan
land
development
code.
J
This
is
an
outline
of
what
we've
come
up
with
in
the
timeline
that
rene
is
going
to
present.
I
know
a
lot
of
these
items.
There
could
be
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
really
we're
just
looking
forward
tonight
to
to
proceed
on
these
and
bring
these
back
before
you,
where
we
can
have
in-depth
discussions
and
and
and
mold
it
to
the
way
that
this
board
wishes
to
mold
it.
So.
D
So
yeah
I
don't
have,
I
don't,
have
a
ton
more
to
to
discuss.
There's
really
total
of
eight
issues
you
get
did
receive
an
addendum
in
the
back
up
last
week,
late
last
week,
you've
really
had
discussions
already
on
six
of
the
eight
of
these
issues.
D
The
only
two
things
that
really
have
been
added
that
are
somewhat
new,
are
the
the
conditional
use
review
criteria
and
addressing
public
health
safety
and
welfare,
but
that
has
actually
been
discussed
publicly
a
little
bit
and
then
the
second
is
the
kind
of
the
the
difference
in
hotel
heights
versus
the
overall
heights
in
the
smart
code,
and
so
I've
added
those
both
of
those
to
the
to
the
list
of
things
to
address.
D
There
was
over
60
pages
of
backup,
so
I
can't
expect
to
go
into
this
in
detail
tonight,
but
if
you
have
some
specific
questions,
high-level
things
that
I
can
answer
tonight
I'll
be
happy
to
I'll.
Also
make
any
time
available
to
you
to
talk
one-on-one
on
these.
If
you
want
to
provide
direct
input,
I
appreciate
that
so
with
that
I'll
stop.
A
Let
me
just
add
to
the
the
discussion
so
far
in
the
presentation.
The
whole
idea
behind
these
is
to
go
on
record
that
these
ordinances
are
going
to
be
changed
so
when
that
applications
come
in,
that
may
need
approval
through
one
of
these,
for
example,
the
hotel
by
wright
in
the
transect
t5c
can
go
four
to
six
stories
by
height
this
kind
of
puts
into
question
that
ordinance
and
that
that
application
would
not
be
processed
until
we
got
that
ordinance
resolved.
A
So
she's
going
to
be
taking
that
in
in
creating
ordinances
to
bring
back
and
she's
provided
that
timeline
in
the
back
up
and
also
she's
extending
an
opportunity
to
you
for
you
to
have
private
discussions
with
her
to
express
any
specific
concerns
you
might
have
like,
for
example,
vice
mayor
lund
brought
up
his
concern
over
fences
and
and
and
and
I
looked
for
a
definition
of
a
wall,
I
couldn't
find
it,
but
I
I
think
those
are
sort
of
things
that
we
need
to
work
through
in
these
in
these
things
going
forward.
A
So
let
me
go
to
public
comments.
Are
any
any
public
comments
concerning
this
matter?
A
B
A
B
A
Okay,
okay,
let
me
go
to
comments
before
go
that
ms
vincent.
I
know
we're
running
a
little
short
of
time,
but
in
the
very
first
part
of
your
presentation,
can
you
go
over
the
eight
just
roughly,
please
so
everybody
understands
sure
it's
being
recorded
and
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
hear
it
absolutely
sure.
D
So
number
one
would
be
the
conditional
use
provisions
for
the
residential
uses
and
residential
secondary
uses.
That's
in
reference
to
the
the
commercial
land
use
designations
in
the
comp
plan.
Number
two
is
the
conditional
use
review
criteria
specific
to
public
health
safety
and
welfare.
Number
three
would
be
the
coastal
high
hazard
area
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
Number
four
is
the
mandatory
mandatory
annexation
for
utilities
issue
that
we've
been
discussing
number
five
are
the
actual
application
and
review
processes
where
we
have
multiple
applications
for
a
project.
D
So
what's
the
order
of
operations
separating
land
use
and
zoning
applications
and
things
of
that
nature
number?
Let's
see
that
was
number
five
number
six,
as
the
tweaks
of
the
mobile
food
truck
ordinance
to
allow
temporary
allow
those
as
temporary
uses
for
like
special
events,
birthdays
and
things
of
that
nature.
Number
seven
is
to
create
a
process
where
we
can
require
developers
to
pay
for
the
services
that
we
provide
for
storm
water
review.
D
Since
we
consult
that
service
out
and
then
the
last
one
is
the
looking
at
the
the
heights
and
the
spun
and
the
smart
code
overall
and
the
difference
between
the
hotel
height
allowance
and
the
regular
height
allowance
in
those
transect
districts
and
squaring
those
up
in
one
form
or
another,
there's
a
circular
reference
there.
Now
we
want
to
eliminate
that
circular
reference.
A
Thank
you
vice
mayor
alone,.
C
C
C
I've
seen
too
much
sort
of
you
know.
This
is
how
the
developer
can
make
this
work.
So
that's
that's,
that's
something
I
think
we
need
to
address
as
far
as
the
future
land
use
elements,
I
think
we're
gonna
be
going
through
them
anyway.
Aren't
we,
so
I
think
they
need
to
be.
I
don't
have
all
of
them
in
my
head,
so
I
think
they're
gonna
we're
gonna,
have
to
sit
down
and
go
through
a
session
where,
where
we
discuss
it.
C
In
much
more
detail
as
far
as
secondary
users,
I
think
there's
a
question
here
whether
primary
uses
take
precedence
over
secondary
uses.
I
think
for
me
from
my
viewpoint:
that's
a
big.
Yes,
I
think
secondary
uses
should
be
restrictive
rather
than
just
meet
a
condition
and
you've
got
it
automatic.
It's.
I
don't
like
that
idea.
I
don't
like
the
idea
that
we
have
conditional
uses
in
there
where
we
don't
have
a
choice.
C
If,
if
they've
done
it
a
certain
way,
I
think
that
that
makes
us
make
harsh
decisions
sometimes,
and
I
think
it
makes
us
make
decisions
that
that
are,
I
don't
know
not
the
best
at
at
the
particular
time.
C
So
you
know
conditional
and
secondary
uses.
I
think,
need
to
be
discussed
for
sure.
C
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
detail
on
like
I
said
I
drowned
during
this
this
whole
thing,
so
I'm
going
to
hold
my
comments
for
now
and
get
my
my
act
together
here.
Thanks.
L
Yeah
I
just
wanted
for
clarification
with
the
hotel
height.
What
we
were
talking
about
in
a
meeting
before
was
a
t4,
a
verse
and
then
I'm
sorry
t4a
and
then
we're
talking
about
t5.
I.
A
D
Yeah
right
now
the
the
way
that
it
was
drafted,
the
the
in
the
special
area
plan,
which
is
kind
of
like
the
land
use
piece
of
this
each
character
district.
It
calls
out
a
special
height
allowance
and
it
says
hotels
shall
be
allowed
a
height
of
four
to
six
stories
and
but
then
it
says
after
that,
as
to
be
further,
you
know
defined
in
the
land
the
land
regulating
plan.
Well
then,
this,
when
the
smart
code
was
dropped
drafted,
it
actually
refers
back
to
the
special
area
plan.
D
L
Okay,
so
I
mean
the
concern
I
have
is
the
t5c
is
encompasses
the
old
papas
building
and
the
parking
lot
there.
So
if
there
is
an
option
to
do
a
six-story
building
there,
I
don't
know
how
many
stories
that
it
was
at
three
or
four
right
now
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
height
in
the
stories
themselves.
So
technically
the
same
height
could
be
a
six-story
building
potentially
as
well
too.
So
that's
the
only
thing.
I
don't
want
to
restrict
like
that
area
of
tarpon
the
area.
L
That's
on
the
west
side
of
the
sponge
docks.
I
totally
understand
restricting
that
you're
in
a
neighborhood
setting
you're
then
seeing
it
from
chesapeake
across
the
water
there's
some
other
issues,
but
as
you're
on
ultra
19
towards
the
river
area.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
more
flexibility
to
encourage
what
the
city
would
like
to
see
with
some
type
of
lodging
area.
A
I
think,
if
I
may
suggest
just
work
with
ms
vincent,
because
all
of
us
have
different
ideas
in
that
regard,
and
it's
going
to
wind
up
coming
down
to
a
vote
or
whatever
she's
got
as
far
as
the
ordinance
goes.
So.
L
A
F
R
L
Yeah
annexations,
I
think,
is
important
that
that
that's
addressed
in
this
in
this
aspect,
I
get
the
frustration,
a
project
mid
project
coming
through
for
annexations,
but
it
is
still
really
important
for
any
project.
That's
on
the
fringe
of
tarpon
springs
to
have
them
annexed
into
the
city.
They're
using
the
services
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
The
city
of
tarpon
springs
needs
those
tax
revenues,
don't
let
that
tax
revenue
go
to
the
county,
so
there's
permit
and
there's
tax
revenue
that
you
want
to
make
sure
you're
capturing
food
trucks.
L
F
Commissioner
eisner
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
I'm
gonna
work
from
the
bottom
up,
so
we're
gonna
do
the
heights
first,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
50
feet
as
long
as
it's
on
19
or
on
alt
19,
where
we
were
looking
to
put
that
hotel,
I
didn't
even
understand
how
they
could
have
a
t5
right
next
to
a
t4
and
there's
just
like
a
little
hill
street
was
between
it.
It
made
no
sense
to
me,
but
that's
the
way
it
is.
F
But
yet
there
is
discrepancy
there,
because
if
you
look
it
up,
which
I
did
today,
the
wd
one
allows
for
that
50
foot,
but
the
t4
does
not.
Then
there's
also
another
discrepancy
that
we
have
to
clear
up,
which
I'm
happy
to
clear
up.
Is
it
calls
for
two
to
three
stories
with
an
occasional
taller
building?
F
What
does
that
mean?
What
is
taller
is
that
four
stories,
or
is
it
44
stories?
You
know
it's
it's
so
vague.
We
really
have
to
make
sure
that
we
know
exactly
what
it
means,
because
people
can
misconstrue
the
the
the
wording
and
everybody
has
their
own
interpretation.
So
I
do
think
we
need
to
work
on
that
working
back
up
the
developers
should
pay
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
food,
the
mobile
food
trucks.
F
I
think,
unless
we
have
a
meeting
with
the
county
on
annexing,
we
annex
already
built
locations
so
to
put
a
restriction
on
an
annex
that
is
maybe
in
the
early
stages
and
just
blocked
out,
and
then
say:
oh
no,
because
you
blocked
it
now.
You
know
I'd
rather
get
to
a
point
where
our
permit
department
gets
it
as
soon
as
they
possibly
can
because,
like
I
said,
we
do
annex
regular
finished
in
prague.
You
know
projects
that
are
five
years
old,
10
years
old.
F
They
could
be
20
years
old
and
we
we
still
take
them
in
as
annex
so
from
new
construction.
Unless
we
can
make
a
deal
with
county,
we
still
have
to
take
them
in
the
way
it
is.
I
do
think
we
should
be
not
having
anything
built
in
coastal
high
high
hazard
areas.
D
F
F
Nothing
to
be
built
anywhere
on
top.
No
I'm
just
kidding
the
we
have
to
be
more
definitive
in
what
a
conditional
issue
is,
because,
again,
that's
something
you
know
to
go
from
a
commercial
over
to
residential
is
is
again
that
now
that
starts
to
cause
issues.
F
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
like
everybody
else,
sit
down
and
and
and
work
through
a
list
of
what
things
are
allowed,
rather
than
just
leave
things
out
there
for
people
to
guess
at
what
is
allowed
and
what
isn't
because
then
it's
up
to
the
rather
than
it
be
the
discretion
of
any
of
the
five
of
us
up
here.
F
It
should
be
in
our
charter
and
in
our
in
our
rules
and
regulations
what
you're
allowed
to
use
there
and
what
you're
not
and
whether
we
have
to
make
a
full-fledged
list
of
what
is
allowed.
F
A
A
B
A
O
A
Yes,
okay,
commissioner,.
O
I
I
love
the
direction
we're
going.
Thank
you.
Renee
thank
the
planning
department
for
working
on
this
stuff.
I
believe
it's
you
know
the
residents
have
pushed
us
to
help
get
these
topics
addressed.
O
I
think
it
needs
to
have
a
little
bit
different
zoning
to
hopefully
invite
some
type
of
redevelopment
of
the
property,
and
it
could
be
a
spot.
That's
separate
from
the
rest.
You
know,
but
I
I'd
like
to
get
that
out
there,
the
the
food
trucks
I
know
we've
stated
just
try
to
keep
them
away
from
the
sponge
docks.
I
haven't
consulted
with
the
the
downtown
business
owners,
yet
so
I'm
not
sure
how
they
feel
annexation
got
guys
it's
whether
we
call
it
a
loophole
or
just
part
of
the
process.
O
It's
it's
happening
and
I
I
hate
to
see
us
not
be
able
to
annex
properties
because
of
the
you
know,
because
of
this
situation
and
layout
from
being
able
to
convert
from
the
county
to
the
to
the
city.
A
I
city
manager,
ms
vincent
and
I've,
had
numerous
conversations.
I
I
think
the
idea
is
that
there's
been
a
number
of
concerns
expressed
by
residents
and
everything
and
and
you're
hearing
the
commission
here.
So
what
I
need
now
is
the
motion.
It's
the
eight
items
is
that
correct
correct
if
we
could
have
a
motion
to
authorize
the
staff
to
proceed
with
the
eight
items
as
described
by
ms
vincent
this
evening
in
a
second.
F
O
F
O
A
Yes
right,
the
next
item
is
the.
I
don't
know
why
that
was
sister
city
invitation
to
edgar.
Now
I'm
going
to
be
abstaining
from
voting
on
this
under
florida
statute,
286.012.
A
Where
there
appears
to
be
a
possible
conflict
of
interest
and
the
vice
mayor
is
going
to
handle
this
item,
and
I
just
want
to
simply
say
and
and
and
why
in
tarpon
springs,
it
would
appear
as
a
conflict
of
interest.
A
Since
not
only
does
my
family
come
from
megana,
but
also
so
does
the
city
managers,
and
also
mr
george
protos,
who
is
a
friend
of
mine,
the
mutsassus
family,
who
are
friends
of
mine
and,
of
course,
lazwitz
osanos,
whose
father
was
my
father's
best
friend
and
there's
a
perception
of
aggrandizement
by
my
participating
in
this
and
then
later,
perhaps
being
the
ceremonial
representative
for
the
city
at
the
twinning
ceremonies
in
egana.
A
So
let
me
turn
this
over
to
mr
lund.
C
You
need
the
gown
all
right
thanks,
okay,
so
we're
we're
here
to
discuss
the
sister
city
application
or
at
least
discuss
this
in
this
sister
city.
C
Invitation
to
a
to
a
gin
of
grease
and
and
and
mayor
radichiotis
just
explained
why
he
was
recusing
himself.
I'd
like
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background.
We've
been
working
on
this
since
february
of
2020..
C
C
Later
on
that
year,
somewhere
in
august,
chris
alihouses
responded
to
the
mayor
saying
that
he,
you
know
needed
to
refer
this
to
the
sister
cities
committee
and
it
was
kind
of
dropped
at
that
particular
point
earlier
this
year
in
may,
there
was
another
letter
sent
from
mayor
zorbas
who's,
the
mayor
for
a
gina
re-requesting
twinning,
basically
and
introducing
himself
a
couple
of
days
later
there
was
a
letter
from
mayor
vaticatus
of
referring
again
to
the
sister
cities,
application
committee-
and
you
know
there
was
some
other
stuff
in
there,
explaining
that
his
family
was
from
a
gina,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
C
So
we
know
about
that.
In
june
the
sister
cities
came
up
and
said:
yes,
we
agreed
to
twin
you
know
and
and
wanted
to
do,
an
exchange
program
for
2023.,
there's,
probably
question
of
budget.
I
think
we
have
15
thousand
dollars
in
our
twinning
budget,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
far
that's
going
to
get
us
into
an
exchange
program.
C
At
any
rate,
sister
cities
went
ahead
on
july
27th
and
issued
a
formal
invitation
to
twin
with
the
so
it's
kind
of
before
our
decision.
So
the
decision
here
is,
we
have
seven
sister
cities
right.
C
Now
I
don't
even
know
why
we
would
want
another
eight,
except
for
it's.
You
know
to
get
a
ninth
or
a
tenth
or
when
does
it
stop,
but
I
think
in
this
particular
instance,
our
hands
are
tied
because
the
sister
sister
sidney's
already
sent
a
formal
invitation
to
the
mayor
of
regina.
So
that
ends
my
comments
on
this.
N
N
N
Tarpon
springs
is
the
melting
pot
of
greece.
In
america
we
are
the
only
community
in
the
united
states
that
has
a
representation
of
all
of
the
12
vote,
the
knees
islands
and
the
mountainous
areas
of
greece
and
the
reason
I
know
that
is
because
dr
monahan
and
I
worked
for
two
and
a
half,
maybe
three
years
when
they
used
to
only
take
one
country
or
one
city
and
when
we
explained
it
to
them
and
went
and
talked
to
the
board
and
they
came
and
talked
to
us.
N
N
The
city,
manager's
great
great
great
grandfather
and
my
husband
was-
was
a
brother,
his
one
bro,
the
priest
married
a
la
course
girl
how
many
hundreds
of
years
ago
and
they
were
both
priests
in
ayenna,
and
we
have
a
famous
bishop
from
there
just
like
they
do
in
kindness.
N
They
do
and
all
the
other
islands.
So
that's
why
you
want
it
because
of
the
richness
of
this
community,
we're
all
proud
to
be
americans.
Our
families
came
over
here
for
a
better
life
and
to
educate
their
children,
but
they're
all
proud
of
their
islands,
and
you
see
it
at
epiphany
and
you
see
it
on
in
the
greek
independence
day
parade
and
we're
the
only
community.
I'm
going
to
tell
you
again
that
has
all
the
traditions
and
keith's
traditions,
even
our
church
services.
N
Our
cathedral
is
still
in
the
old
ways,
and
people
come
from
all
over
the
world
to
see
this.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
have
every
island
that
we
can
get
in
the
sister
program
for
tarpon
springs
and
all
over
the
united
states,
where
they
envy
us.
The
greek
communities,
for
what
we
have
here.
Go
read
the
national
herald
newspaper
at
the
library,
the
english
one
and
you'll
find
out,
and
that's
what
I
want
to
tell
you.
N
I'm
an
american
but
I'm
proud
of
my
greek
heritage,
I'm
proud
of
my
ancestors.
They
came
and
they
gave
their
sons
to
to
protect
america.
They
sent
their
children
to
greece,
I
mean
to
college,
they
sent
them
back
to
greece,
some
of
them
to
get
wives
and
bring
them
back
or
get
husbands,
but
they
were.
They
became
proud
americans
and
they
did
very
well
krispy
kreme,
donuts,
greek
men,
coney
allen,
hot
dog,
chili
sauce,
a
greek
man
wendy's
the
man
was
adopted.
He
was
greek
and
he
founded
wendy's.
You
can
go
bunny
blue
bread.
N
J
Too,
and
we're
going
to
worry
about
the
tabloids
in
the
mornings,
then
the
mayor-
and
I
are
related
so
we'll
deal
with
the
tabloids
there,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
confu
we've
got
and
we're
working
with
the
sister
city
committee
has
been
in
essence
for
six
years
was
was
run
in
order
by
commissioner
hallahus
before
that
mayor.
Belarus
ran
it
for
a
long
time.
They
are
just
getting
into
a
situation
where
they're
doing
it
on
their
own
without
the
leadership,
so
we
have
to
work
with
them.
J
J
For
six
years,
the
former
mayor
was
the
head
and
going
and
dealing
with
them
and
kind
of
directing
him
on
this
board,
so
we're
working
with
him
on
procedures
and
everything
else,
and
the
mention
of
the
the
connection
with
the
school
and
stuff
that
that's
really
outside
of
this
all
we're
talking
about
is
is
the
sister
city
and
the
reason
it
was
put
back.
We
had
the
two
cities,
the
last
two
cities
we
did.
J
We
had
them
going
and
the
comedians
them
kind
of
assumed
that
that
a
l
was
going
to
come
after
after
those
two
because
they
were
already
in
the
process
instead
of
adding
another
one
coming
afterwards.
So
so
that's
kind
of
how
the
confusion
the
letter
coming
out
a
little
bit,
but
it
was
intended
to
do
and
again
we're
working
with
the
sister
city
committee,
procedure-wise
and
proper
things
and
and
we'll
get
that
that
going
together.
J
So
I
just
want
to
add
that
to
why
some
of
the
confusion,
the
order
they
had
very
good
intentions,
they
didn't
mean
they
didn't
mean
to
send
it
in
advance,
though,
but
it's
a
learning
process
for
them
and
we're
working
with
them
to
learn
the
process.
L
Yeah,
I
think
you
made
a
vice
mayor.
You
made
a
comment
about
we
kind
of
have
to
do
it
because
they
sent
the
letter
already
so
I
mean
we
still
have
the
right
to
say
yes
or
no.
I
have
no
issue,
I'm
happy
to
accept
every
sister
city
application
that
wants
to
come
before
us
from
greece.
There's
different
culture,
different
heritage
in
different
portions
of
greece.
L
I'm
not
greek
that
I'm
aware
of,
but
I've
got
a
lot
of
greek
friends,
so
I
know
it's
as
as
much
culture
as
we
can
embrace
from
the
the
greek
islands
and
different
parts
of
greece.
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that
and
support
it.
C
F
Yes,
I
also
for
this.
You
know,
I
don't
know
where
it
stops,
where
you
know
how
many
sister
cities
we
should
have,
and
that
could
be
a
discussion
at
another
type,
another
time,
but
right
now
you
know
I
I
enjoy
meeting
people
I
enjoy
talking
to
different
cultures.
F
I
don't
think
I've
met
anybody
that
I
don't
like
speaking
to
so
for
me,
it's
very
nice.
I
I
enjoyed
the
last
visit
that
we
had
and
I
look
forward
to
meeting
and
greeting
people
to
our
wonderful
city,
so
I
have
no
issues
with
it.
Thank
you.
O
O
That's
there's
no
doubt
about
that,
and
we
need
to
reinforce
and
strengthen
the
the
relationships
we
currently
have,
but
I'm
all
for
it.
I
don't
think
the
mayor
should
have
recused
himself,
but
I
completely
understand
you
know
and
yeah.
I
think
we
support
it.
Let's
get
this
twinning
going
and
be,
you
know,
be
selective
on
how
we
try
to
grow
an
organic
relationship
with
our
current
and
potential
future
cities.
Thank
you.
C
And
just
for
the
record,
I
didn't
mean
to
be
deprecative
of
my
explanation.
I
just
wanted
to
explain
what
I
knew
about
the
whole
situation.
That
was
it
so
can
we
have
a
motion.
O
O
C
A
H
Your
packet
is
a
memorandum
for
me.
The
memorandum
is
bringing
to
your
attention
that
we've
received
an
offer
for
settlement
of
the
lien
at
614
north
avenue.
This
is
a
code
enforcement
lien
that
was
incurred
as
a
directory
in
in
2019,
as
direct
results
of
in-app
vehicles
being
on
the
property,
the
operation
of
a
business
without
a
local
business
tax
receipt,
formerly
known
as
an
occupational
license
and
using
residential
property
for
the
business
of
car
sales.
H
H
So
I
want
you
to
include
that
in
your
your
review
of
this
particular
issue,
but
so
the
property
owner
is
offered
a
thousand
dollars.
We
believe
that'll
cost
cover
the
cost
incurred.
In
this
case
there
is
an
outstanding
code
enforcement
lien
of
roughly
61
thousand
dollars,
so
it
would
be
settlement
of
that
61,
000
lien
for
a
thousand
dollars.
Both
the
city
manager
and
the
code
enforcement
department
are
in
agreement
with
this
recommendation
to
accept
the
offer
of
settlement
at
one
thousand
dollars
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
them.
A
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Get
that
out
of
the
way.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments
on
this?
Any
public
comments,
I.t
any
public
comments,
remote
access.
A
C
B
A
I
I
don't
have
any
I've
spoke
to
the
city
manager
about
this
earlier
and
I
I
know
the
family
and
the
circumstance.
So
let's
have
a
second
and
I'm
sorry,
a
motion
in
a
second
motion
to
approve
for
a
thousand
dollars.
B
A
O
A
A
Basically,
we
had
gotten
a
request
from
I
guess,
through
the
historical
society
or
a
few
other
senior
members
there,
if
you
will
for
ms
jane
whitcomb,
who
is
at
our
cycadia
cemetery
without
a
grave
marker
and
she's,
a
historic
figure
here
in
tarpon
springs
and
they
were
requesting
a
a
basically
authorization
to
put
a
grave
mark
or
a
headstone
at
her
site,
and
we
did
not
have
a
provision
for
doing
that.
So
there's
a
modification
in
the
cemetery
rules
that
I'm
going
to
stop
there,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
it's.
H
Attorney
would
you
like
to
do
it
yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
so.
Hopefully,
you've
got
in
your
packet,
the
highlighted
version,
which
is
the
addition
of
item
number
three
under
article
13,
which
is
the
monuments,
memorials,
markers
and
benches
provision
in
reviewing
this
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city
clerk.
H
H
Then
he
would
authorize
the
city
clerk
to
provide
for
the
installation
of
the
marker
of
the
monument.
H
The
marker
monument
would
be
limited
to
the
information
that
was
similar
to
the
information
in
the
gravesite,
where
there
was
not
a
probated
will
that's
section
number
two
up
above
in
the
rule,
and
that
would
mean
that
they
would
have
the
following
information
on
the
marker
or
the
monument,
the
name
of
the
person
date
of
birth
date
of
death,
birthplace
and
the
city
where
the
decedent
is
from,
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
mayor
has
added
one
additional
suggestion,
and
that
is:
is
that
there
be
a
brief
explanation
or
description
of
the
historical
significance
can
be
also
beyond
the
monument.
H
So
with
that,
if
this
provision
as
written
is
acceptable,
it
would
be
that
would
require
a
motion
to
approve
and
then
it
would
become
a
part
of
your
cycadia
cemetery
rules
in
the
future.
So
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
I
know
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
manager
have
comments
on
this.
Probably.
A
Let
me,
if
I
may
add
on
the
on
that
blue
item
that
was
added.
I
think
you've
got
those
copies
in
front
of
you
where
it
says
and
a
brief
explanation
of
description
of
the
historical
significance
that
came
in
as
a
recommendation
from
one
of
the
historical
society
members.
Okay,
I
had
some
conversations.
No,
no,
that's!
Okay!
I
I.
A
H
A
The
only
comment
I
had
and
I
had
conversations
with
the
city,
clerk
and
city
manager
this
morning,
the
problem
I'm
having
is
a
brief
explanation
description.
I
think
we
need
to
simplify
and
the
historical.
It
would
be.
The
name
date
of
birth
date
of
death,
birth
place
in
the
city
where
the
descendant
is
from
and
the
historical
significance
keep
it
simple.
So
we
don't
get
into
any
kind
of
description
and
narrative
and
things
like
that,
and
that
would
be
subject
to
approval.
A
I
believe
it
as
we're
showing
it
here
to
the
city
manager.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay,
just
just
a
simple
historical
significance,
and
then
that
would
be
up
to
him
and
the
problem
is:
if
you
get
into
the
first
so-and-so
in
tarpon
springs,
then
some
other
501c3
comes
up
with
their
first
so-and-so
on
tarpon
springs
and
that's
what
we
don't
want
to
happen.
If
some
language
is
approved
on
a
on
a
headstone
vice
mayor
lon,
any
questions.
A
Design
came
in
from
the
historical
society
for
ms
jane
whitcomb,
that's
out
there
and
right
it
actually
predates
me.
I
was
just
asked
about
it
and
I
think
it
may
have
did
it
come
into
your
office
or
I
was.
L
L
A
Miss
jane
whitcomb,
who
was
a
doctor
here,
and
I
was
also
the
wife
if
I've
got
this
right
of
our
first
city
clerk.
I
think
in
tarpon
springs-
and
I
can't
remember
mr
wickham's
first
name
but
but
with
them
yeah.
L
Yeah,
it's
a
pretty
prominent
one
right
so
just
to
be
clear,
I'm
just
happy
that
someone
knows
that
she
was
buried
there
and
that
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
recognition
there,
I'm
in
full
support
of
recognizing
more
historic
monuments
or
markers
anywhere
in
the
city.
If
it's
cemeteries
or
in
front
of
an.
A
L
A
Suspect,
there's
more
so,
commissioner!
Actually
you
had
none,
commissioner
carr,
commissioner
comey
aston.
Okay,
I'm
done!
I
don't
have
anything
else.
I'm.
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
City
clerk,
jacobs,
okay,
vice
mayor
alone;
no,
I'm
good
thanks,
commissioner
carr
yeah.
L
Safe
travels
to
the
commissioners
who
are
traveling
this
week
to
represent
the
city.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
eisner.
Just
something
quick.
We
had
items
in
the
consent
agenda
today,
6,
7,
8
and
9.,
and
all
I
say
is
I
want
you
to
keep
tabs
on
how
much
extra
we're
spending
you
know.
Whenever
we
get
these
items
in
for
a
trailer
or
a
new
this,
or
do
that
it's
not.
Can
we
afford
that?
It's
can
we
afford
that
plus
all
the
maintenance
and
then
the
maintenance
winds
up,
going
double
and
triple
so
just
to
keep
it
in
tab.
I
mean
we
own
it.
F
We
have
to
service
it,
but
we
really
should
be
very
careful.
It's
not
whether
you
can
afford
the
boat,
it's
whether
you
can
afford
the
upkeep
of
the
boat
and
that's
what
I
I
we
really
have
to
watch
the
the
dollar
on
all
of
these
items,
to
really
make
sure
that
the
purchases
of
value
to
the
city
yeah,
that's
it.
Thank
you.
A
It
was
a
long
meeting
what
I
wanted
to
get
once
we
get
the
budget
out
of
the
way
and
and
the
strategic
plan
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
into
this
area
the
time
before
the
holidays,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
get
into
more
of
the
policy
things
that
you're
describing
right.
A
You
know
for
example,
anyway,
so
I
I
there's
a
number
of
things,
but
it's
too
late
for
me
to
think
through
these
this
evening.
So
if
I
need
to
I'll
send
you
an
memorandum
through
the
city
manager,
but
that's
all
I
have
this
evening
meeting
adjourned
at
11,
25.