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A
B
B
C
B
F
Yeah
and
I'm
glad
we
had
a
meeting
tonight
who
we
would
have
to
have
emergency
meeting
at
another
date
or
we'd
have
another
three
three
a
week
meeting.
This
is
an
important
issue
of
the
yard
waste
that
anyone
has
rode
by.
There
know
we
had
a
problem
with
your
changing
of
contractors
and
moving.
F
F
That
was
very
alarming,
which
which
just
made
it
you
know
more
necessary
besides
hoping
that
a
storm
didn't
come
with
all
that
debris
out
there,
the
fire
that
was
caused
down
in
South
County
that
the
chief
filled
Us
in
on
just
made
it
more
important
and
Janina
Tom
been
negotiating
hard
to
try
to
get
this
agreement
and
we
want
to
get
it
moved
so
Tom,
just
briefly
where
we
are
and
what
we're
asking
the
commission
to
vote
on
to
get
that
finally
moved
sure.
G
We're
asking
one
time:
your
yard,
waste
debris,
removal,
utilizing
the
Pinellas
County
contract
22-0617
to
Phillips
Jordan
environmental
in
the
amount
not
to
exceed
250
000
for
the
public
works
department,
sanitation,
division,
the
previous
contract
was
Mother's,
Organics
for
yard
waste
had
expired
in
the
end
of
February.
A
new
bid
was
solicited
for
yard
waste
prior
to
that,
when
that
only
one
firm
responding,
but
the
prices
came
back
at
an
astronomical
price,
close
to
probably
five
times
what
we
were
paying
right
now.
G
So
we
made
some
changes
in
the
bid,
hoping
that
would
reduce
the
the
cost.
It
came
down
a
little
bit,
but
not
a
lot,
but
again
it's
only
the
one
company
bid.
It
I
always
get
open
the
opportunity
for
us
to
negotiate
and
which
I'm
in
the
middle
of
negotiate
with
them,
but
we
could
not
award
them
a
one-time
contract
to
move
this
material
because
they
didn't
have
a
contract
to
pay
you
back
off.
G
We
are
close
to
getting
the
I
believe,
I'm,
very
confident
we're
going
to
get
a
finalized
with
this
one
contractor,
but,
like
Mark,
had
said
here
that
I
need
to
move
that
material.
Hopefully,
right
now
that
gives
me
a
little
more
time
to
negotiate
before
I
have
to
move
any
more
material.
G
The
original
cost
we
were
paying
was
about
twenty
dollars,
a
ton
in
the
last
contract.
This
contract
we've
been
out
coming
at
over
90
dollars,
a
ton
so
you're
almost
talking
five
times
the
amount
of
money
we
did
go
out
and
solicit
a
couple.
Other
possibilities
along
using
this
contract
for
moving
material
I
got
one
price
about
three
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
another
price
a
little
over
three
hundred
thousand.
G
B
I
just
had
two
questions,
simple
questions,
one
from
reading
it
and
the
way
we
restructured
this
motion
and
also
the
agreement
you
piggybacks
on
to
the
county
and
we're
saying
it.
It
follows
the
same
time
frame
as
the
county
which
they
picked
up
on
it
in
February
or
earlier
this
year.
So
we're
looking
at
about
a
44
and
a
half
year.
Contract.
G
C
Okay,
yes,
sir
okay,
not
to
exceed
not
to
exceed
yes,
sir,
will
not
exceed
that,
and
and
then
that.
F
Twice,
we
only
had
one
bidder,
yes,
and
it
was
very
high,
but
with
that
by
the
purchase
of
rules,
we
can
negotiate
to
try
to
lower
that
before
we
do
that
again
and
since
we
had
one
bidder
two
times,
we
got
a
third
time
where
life
will
be
in
the
same
place.
So
that's
what
Tom
negotia
in
this
one-time
removal
will
allow
him
more
time
to
negotiate,
while
with
the
other
company
takes
all
the
stuff
out
of
here.
B
Okay,
let
me
go
to
the
commissioner's
Vice
yeah.
H
I
do
have
some
questions
so,
if
I
understand
it
I
understand
mothers
got
bought
by
crr.
Yes,
sir,
did
mothers
not
come
back
to
us
and
say
well,
this
is
going
to
be
if
we
want
to
extend
the
contract
or
whatever
with
they
didn't
respond
at
all,
they
just
wanted
to
let
it
die
while.
G
G
H
I,
don't
know
just
probably
it's
a
non-important
question,
but
how
much
more
are
we
paying
than
we
would
have
been
paying
mother
if
they
had
been
on
contract?
Any
sort
of
idea.
G
G
H
I
I've
gotten
all
my
questions
answered
by
vice
mayor,
asking
similar
questions
so.
A
G
A
G
So
for
it's
a
seven
month
over
here
and
we
stopped.
A
000,
okay,
so
if
it's
up
to
220,
let's
say
that
it
before
it
was
half
the
price,
it
would
have
been
120,
but
we
have
we
stopped
it
in
February.
Yes,
we
didn't
pay
for
March
April,
May
June,
yes,
okay,
so
had
we
even
kept
had
the
contract,
we
would
have
actually
paid
four
months
right
of
let's
say:
120.
D
G
H
H
It's
July
August
September,
that's
only
two
and
a
half
months.
Okay,
that's
I,
think
what
John
was
looking
for.
Was
it.
A
C
I
G
I
And
so
that
price
is
going
to
be
one
clean,
sweep,
it's
gonna
be
okay,.
I
B
H
D
B
Let
me
go
to
we've
got
board
and
staff
comments,
any
snap
comments,
major
Rogero,
anything,
okay,
City
management
course.
No
city
clerk,
Jacobs,
no.
B
Thank
you
vice
mayor
alone,
if
anything
nope.
F
D
A
F
Yeah
again
tonight's,
our
our
third
session-
hopefully
it's
my
belief.
We
we're
not
going
to
need
the
fourth
ten
of
the
one
next
Thursday
we'll
get
through
tonight.
Obviously
there
still
may
be
more
questions
or
some
things
that
come
from
from
tonight.
We
always
have
the
opportunity,
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
is
there
something
that
needs
to
be
brought
back
to
you?
We
always
have
the
two
commission
meetings
in
August,
the
8th
and
the
22nd
in.
F
In
fact,
the
22nd
we'll
be
talking
about
item
two
on
the
agenda,
because
we
always
have
to
do
the
salaries
and
stuff
there,
because
that
has
to
be
done
by
resolution.
So
that's
actually
something
we
do
before.
You
approve
the
budget
by
a
resolution.
So
we've
got
two
other
meetings
after
this
that
we
can
bring
updates
back
to
you.
If
there's
additional
things
to
look
at
so
I'm
thinking
we're
not
going
to
need
the
fourth
tenant.
That
means
next
Thursday,
but
obviously,
when
we
get
done
tonight,
you'll
be
decision
maker
this
starting
off
tonight.
J
Good
evening,
mayor,
Commissioners,
Ron,
Herring
Finance
director,
and
what
we
have
in
front
is
we've
been
reworking
the
capital
projects.
It's
the
legal
size
spreadsheet
in
front
of
you
and
sorted
it
in
another
fashion.
Here
with
the
first
page,
is
showing
the
current
capital
projects
that
have
been
approved
that
are
in
budgeted
and
in
process
with
the
total
budgeted
costs,
the
arpa
funding
and
the
amount,
and
then
grants
and
other
fundings
for
those
projects.
J
I
can
go
to
the
second
page.
Okay,
we
go
from
the
ones
that
have
been
approved
to
the
capital
projects,
budgeted
and
construction
not
started
with
a
reallocation
of
possibilities,
including
North,
Pinellas,
Orange,
Street
and
Jasmine
sidewalks,
and
then
below
that
we
have
some
projects
that
are
not
started,
budgeted,
reallocation,
possibilities
and
but
they
also
have
Grant
ramifications.
J
And
then
the
last
category
is
projects
where
there's
where
there's
no
funding
at
all
Cops
and
Kids
building,
Whitcomb,
Bayou
golf
course:
clubhouse
hurricane
hardening,
Community
Center
spoil
site
land
and
Craig
Park
phase
two.
F
So
hopefully,
this
addressed
some
of
the
categories
that
commissioner
kulianes
talked
about.
It
also
gives
you
another
scope
pretty
much
that
first
page
or
are
committed
to
and
ongoing
and
going
obviously
tonight
or
even
during
this
budget,
we
don't
have
to
make
firm
decisions
if
we're
going
to
reallocate.
If
we're
going
to
move
back
in
time,
the
other
progress
we
can
see
how
the
funding
goes.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
unknowns,
come
in
our
property,
insurance
and
liability,
which
is
the
biggest
one
we're
worried
about.
F
That
could
really
sink
some
of
the
work
we've
done
up
to
now,
but
we
tried
to
get
this
into
different
categories,
that'll
that
we
can
do
a
lot
of
discussion
on
later
as
you
look
it
over.
We
just
want
some
feedback
from
this.
Are
we
close
to
what
what
was
being
looked
for
and
where
we
are
or
what
other
adjustments
do
we
have
to
make
to
these
charts?
To
that
the
the
commission
would
like.
B
Okay,
let's
take
these
I'm
just
going
to
call
it
one
page
at
a
time.
Okay,
so
in
this
probably
isn't
going
to
be
a
question
completely
for
you
Mr
Herring,
but
on
all
of
these
that
we've
got
Arbor
funding.
Are
there
any?
J
Well,
there
could
be
a
couple
that
I
mean
we
did
the
timeline
last
week
and
there's
a
couple
projects
I
believe
the
Sponge
Docks
Pump
Station
and
then
the
Craig
Park
Seawall
are
ones
that
were
to
get
completed,
we're
extending
out
to
2026
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
might
be
more
for
if
Bob
has
any
input
on
that
on
those
ones.
There.
E
I
will
say
that
we
are
chasing
some
other
grant
funding
for
the
Sponge
Docks
Pump
Station.
That
would
replace
the
arpa
funding.
So
what
would
get
us
out
of
that
concern
if
we
get
some
feedback
on
whether
we're
going
to
be
viable
for
that
prod?
For
that
funding,
that's
through
Brazilian
Florida,
but
for
the
Craig
Park
Seawall
that
one
could
be
a
concerned.
F
We've
talked
about
it
before
so
as
soon
as
we
get
to
the
engineering
point
where
Bob
gives
me
to
go
ahead,
we've
got
enough
to
talk
to
you
about
the
options
looking
at
other
options
and
stuff,
it
may
be
a
standalone
meeting
Workshop
or
something
where
we,
we
hashed
at
least
that
one
out
that
one
needs
a
lot
of
discussion
by
this
board
before
we
finalize
it.
F
The
Sponge
Docks
the
sponge
Dock
Vault
project,
so
that
that
may
take
a
whole
meeting
that
we
have
to
have
a
special
meeting
to
talk
over
all
the
aspects
that
we
need
to
consider
if
we're
going
forward
and
how
how
we
go
forward
is
another
option
that
that
has
got
got
a
lot
in
it
as
far
as
the
seawall.
What
is
the
concerns
on
the
sea
wall?
What
portions
of
it
is
going
to
be
a
concern
for
you
on
meeting
those
dates.
E
The
concern
for
me
is
getting
through
the
HUD
required
Grant
work
that
we
have
to
do
in
advance
and
we
we
talked
about
the
paperwork
last
time.
Vice
mayor,
it's
you
know,
it's
all
the
the
research
and
all
the
environmental
work.
It's
getting
the
go
ahead
from
the
Native
American
tribes
that
have
an
interest
in
the
area
and
there's
so
much
extra
work
that
goes
into
it
because
it
has
federal
funds.
E
I'll
have
a
better
handle
on
that,
maybe
in
the
coming
four
or
five
months,
or
so
as
we're
getting
into
this
environmental
work.
Now,
so
my
thought
is
and
Mr.
Of
course
you
can
help
me
out
here,
but
my
thought
is
that
you
know
if,
if
we
need
to
swap
out
a
project
that
is
more
shovel
ready,
that
could
use
the
arpa
funds
and
meet
the
deadline
for
something
that
was
planned
for
Penny
Fund
in
the
future,
then
that
might
be
a
way
to
do
that
and
still
keep
these
projects.
H
F
F
B
J
J
H
I'm,
just
okay,
so,
for
example,
we
have
you
know:
Sea
Breeze
has
been
board
approved.
Obviously
it's
almost
completed,
but
the
funding
source
was
city
funding
that
just
doesn't
say
any
funding
source
or
the
Solar
projects
at
the
water
plant
were
approved.
I.
Remember
doing
that,
but
it
doesn't
say
it.
J
B
Right,
let's
just
slow
down
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
move
or
lead
through
this
we're
talking
about
13
million
dollars
and
vice
mayor
Lund's
question
was,
if
I,
if
I
heard
correctly
where's
this
other
money
going
to
come
from
and
from
my
understanding
from
previous
meetings,
a
good
portion
of
this
has
already
been
awarded.
Now.
The
one
question
I
have
is
the
fire
station,
which
is
five
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
we
haven't
been
given
the
green
light
on
that
at
all.
B
B
F
J
F
H
That
see
this
is
why
I
wanted
them.
Finally,
I
mean
I
know
you
guys
know
what
you're
doing,
but
I
don't
do
this
every
day.
I
do
this
when
it
comes
up
in
front
of
me
and
around
the
time
period.
So
for
me
it's
better
to
see
okay.
So
if
we
have,
you
know
arpa
funding
and
then
there's
a
TBD
or
if
there's,
if
there's
another
funding
source,
even
though
it's
been
approved,
I'd
like
that
to
be
annotated
somewhere.
Just
for
my
edification
well.
B
B
Right
now,
yes,
the
include
turning
base
in
the
same
correct:
okay,
the
pink
rose,
Street
storm
water,
we've
got
the
1.5
shorty
and
then
we're
estimating
832
000.
Is
that
correct,
correct
and.
C
J
F
E
B
The
Craig
Park
sea
wall
that
right
now
for
that
phase
one
is
three
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
is
what
we're
estimating
arpa
is
one
and
a
half,
and
then
the
grant
is
two
million
dollars
right,
correct,
okay,
so
so
that
right
now,
we've
we've
got
the
money
for
that
or
is
the
two
million
dollars
is
going
to
come
from
the
grant?
Okay
and
then
Okay.
So
we've
got
the
funding
for
that
all
right.
Let's
move
on
the
cops
and
kids
is
just
the
design
right
now
and
we
have
bid
that
out.
B
E
E
B
I
mean
it's:
we've
awarded
the
design
awarded
it
okay
and
we're
spending
that
money
so
that
that
500
and
that's
why
it's
592
000
46
dollars
all
right
fire
station
70.
The
construction,
which
is
a
big
question.
The
budgeted
cost
is
6.2
in
City
funded
is
5.5
million.
Is
that
right,
correct
and
that
was
kind
of
a
question
that
kind
of
how
do
we?
Where
does
that?
Five
and
a
half
million
dollars
come
from.
J
What
we're
doing
is
we
have
720
000
that
we've
been
setting
aside
from
the
sale,
the
Perpetual
exclusive
easement
for
the
cell
tower
720
000,
the
county
will
chip
in
about
650,
000
or
10
10
percent
we've
got
one
million
reserved
in
the
current
year
budget.
The
plan
is
for
1.3
million
in
the
24
budget
and
1.5
million
in
the
25
budget.
That
brings
us
up
to
the
5.5
million
I.
Think
there's
about
300
000.
Still
that's
going
to
come
out
of
a
fire.
J
B
If
you
select
to
do
that,
okay,
so
right
now,
fire
station
70
the
construction
of
it,
we
it's
seven,
seven
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
or
so
that
we
need
to
kind
of
think
about
Bayshore
septic
to
sewer
that's
in
design.
The
budgeted
cost
is
1.3
Mr
Robertson
any
update
on
that
as
far
as
increased
cost
or
anything
that.
E
B
B
J
B
Seabreeze
Drive-
that
was
the
original
bit
of
mountain.
Where
we're
wrapping
up
with
that
and
there
there
may
or
may
not
I'm
not
going
to.
Second
guess:
I'm
gonna
leave
that
up
to
the
staff
to
figure
that
out,
but
that
money's
gone
solar
projects
at
the
water
plant
that
one
that
money's
been
allocated
and
we're.
B
B
And
the
MLK
water
line
replacement
that
one
I
would
assume.
H
F
J
B
Anything
else
not
on
the
sheet
Commissioners
or
anything
commissioner
coulianos.
H
On
the
first
page,
actually,
I
have
one
question:
I'm,
sorry,
the
1.4
million
dollars
for
the
cyber
security
water
infrastructure.
Is
that
including
the
recent
award
to
McKay
and
Tim
I?
Think
if
I
remember
the
name
right,
I.
K
The
original
cost
estimate
for
the
overall
project
was
1.4
million
dollars.
We
applied
last
year
for
a
state
for
the
federal
cyber
security
dollars.
The
state
declined
the
federal
money.
Instead,
we
were
awarded,
they
did
an
alternative
program
and
we
were
basically
awarded
a
software
license.
So
the
nominal
value
of
that
software
license
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
because
the
original,
the
Project's
taking
a
little
while-
and
we
think
that
we're
we
might
come
in
a
little
bit
lower
than
that,
but
I.
H
K
No,
that
that
contract
is
just
for
like
ongoing
as
needed,
like
instrumentation
and
software
updates
and.
H
H
B
J
Now
these
are
projects
that
they're
they're,
all
three
of
them,
you
know,
are
budgeted
in
the
penny
fund:
North
Pennell's,
Corridor,
500,
000,
Orange,
Street
construction,
950,
000,
Jasmine,
sidewalks,
complex
to
melon,
500
000.
None
of
these
project
projects
have
been
started.
Let.
F
F
F
Orange
Street,
the
consideration,
obviously
is
under
design.
Now
the
consideration
would
be.
Do
we
move
back
to
construction
a
year,
but
if
we
brought
that
to
you,
we'd
have
to
bring
you
some
temporary
fixes.
Some
temper
we'd
have
to
have
a
discussion.
We
have
to
offer
you
if
we
put
it
back
one
year
to
utilize
the
money
for
something
else.
F
We'd
have
to
give
you
an
estimate
of
the
cost
of
some
temporary
brick
where
everybody
arrives
at
no
there's
some
places
we'll
probably
have
to
fix
to
hold
us
over
to
put
that
back
a
year.
So
if
there's
any
thoughts
on
this,
we
would
come
back
to
you
what
we
think
we
could
temporarily
need
to
do
and
give
you
a
price
and
then
the
option
would
be
to
move
that
money
back
one
year
into
the
next
Penny
room.
So
that's
something
we
discuss
and
do
and
decided
another
meeting
of
the
board.
F
The
Jasmine,
sidewalk,
Sports,
Complex
I
think
that's,
inevitably
we're
kind
of
have
to
move
that
back
and
that
money
is
going
to
be
available.
We've
got
we'll
have
some
individual
when
we
get
a
little
more
more
information.
We'll
have
some
individual
talks
with
each
of
you
that
might
dictate
a
whole
complete
redesign.
That's
that's
almost
starting
over
and
I
don't
see
anyway.
This
one
has
the
highest
Prospect
of
money
availability
for
another
project,
because
they're
just
problems
that
we
can't
overcome.
F
I,
don't
think,
and
that's
going
to
have
to
be
moved
back
in
later
budget
years
because
of
the
problems
with
it
and
stuff.
So
that's
kind
of
analysis
of
each
three
and
what
we
have
to
go
through
and
the
options
you'd
have
to
weigh.
If
we're
going
to
make
a
decision
to
to
move
it
back
in
the
time
frame
of
of
the
funding.
H
Did
we
not
already
have
a
budget
for
Jasmine
sought
the
sidewalk
through
Jasmine?
Wasn't
that
in
it
was
a
different
report?
Yeah.
B
C
B
You
know
that's
kind
of
near
and
dear
I'm,
probably
the
one
that
keeps
asking
the
city
manager
the
most
questions
about
that
and
the
500
000
it
may
or
may
not
be
enough.
I
don't
know,
but
you
all
y'all
you.
The
commission
saw
a
memorandum
that
I
gave
you
for
the
CRA
yesterday
we
sent
it
out
and
in
there
it
had
this
resolution
from
2004.
B
That
was
a
funding
agreement
and
the
the
you
know
the
reimbursements,
but
there
was
also
a
payback
schedule
for
a
larger
project
that
kind
of
went
over
15-year
period
and
that
was
for
the
Tarpon,
Avenue
I
would
say:
South
Pinellas.
Is
that
correct
all
the
bump
outs,
the
Landscaping,
the
street
medians,
all
that
was
taken
out
of
the
CRA
I.
It
may
be
some
worse
something
talking
about
maybe
using
CRA
money
for
the
North,
Pinellas,
beautification
and
and
then
also
the
Orange
Street
construction
I.
B
B
H
B
B
The
Wetlands
as
well
so.
H
J
B
B
Anything
else:
Vice
Merlin,
no
I'm,
fine.
Sorry,
sir.
I
Thank
you
mayor
on
the
Orange
Street.
Do
we
have
a
ballpark
figure
on
just
doing
Patchwork
to
push
it
back
a
year.
E
I
F
B
Yeah
I,
commissioner
coulianis.
A
A
67
of
your
executive,
summary,
okay,
so
we
have
right
now
or
we
have
projected
for
the
end
of
September
2024,
32
million
529
000
right.
J
K
A
I
I
ended
up
both
Pages,
they
add
up
to
64
million
dollars
right
all
the
projects
on
both
Pages
add
up
to
64
million
minus
eight
and
a
half
million,
that's
for
our
arpa
funds
and
then
another
24
million
either
grants
or
possible
grants.
L
J
Sorry,
the
ones
the
ones
budgeted
the
North
Pinellas
Orange,
Street
Jasmine
those
are
taken
out
and
how
about
the.
L
A
J
A
Okay,
so
on
the
arpa,
this
Bob,
when
when
would
we
have
I
wish
I
wish
we
had
do
you
have
to
have
more
of
those
pages,
those
arpa
that
shows
the
600
000
left
over?
Do
you
have
any
more
of
those?
Are
they
are
they
in
the
stuff
you
just
gave
us
today,
okay,
I,
didn't
bring
any
of
the
old
stuff,
so
can
I
see
here
sure.
A
So
of
the,
if
we
have
cost
overruns
on
a
significant
amount
of
these
that
are
arba
and
then
we
and
we
didn't
get
to
some
of
these
items,
the
overrun
could
still
satisfy
the
usage
of
the
money
correct
correct.
So
let's
say
we
have
15
items
here
that
add
up
to
13
million
bucks
to
spend
for
the
arpa
funds.
A
If
nine
of
them
have
cost
overruns
of
20
25
percent,
they
would
eat
up,
and
if
we
didn't
hit
all
15
of
them,
we
still
could
find
ourselves
utilizing
all
the
arbor
funds
with
9
out
of
15
or
12
out
of
15
or
whatever
right
I
follow
yeah.
It's
it's
very
possible
that
that
could
happen.
Sure
it's
probably
a
likelihood.
It's
going
to
happen
right.
I
can't
speculate.
E
A
We
might
hit
the
so
when
would
we
when
would
we
know
more
specifically
the
the
actual
cost
that
we're
going
to
have
on
the
majority
of
the
projects?
I
know
we
probably
could
go
through
them
all,
but.
L
A
Out
to
bid
so
and
so
there's
going
to
be
projects
that
we
don't
get
to
that
possibly
are
going
to
be
covered
by
the
overruns
and
still
utilize
all
the
arpa
funds
in
time
and
we'll
know
it
by
the
middle
of
2024..
We
have
a
good
sense
of
it
right,
I
think
that's
fair
Okay!
So
that's
going
to
be
yeah,
that's
going
to
be
critical
and
then
we
could
then
fast
track
other
things
to
spend
the
money.
If
we
had
sure.
A
So
the
the
Grant
on
the
the
the
Sponge
Docks,
the.
A
On
the
on
the
Sponge
Docks
flood
abatement,
we
have
grant
funding
of
1.7
million.
That's
right.
How
long
does
that
stay
out?
There.
A
A
D
A
Well,
a
couple
of
the
rest
of
us
are
still
I.
Well,
I
am
you'll,
probably
be
he's
going
to
still
be
here,
so
we'll
have
at
least
two
out
of.
A
I
skip
out
to
golly
knows
myself
all
right,
so
the
elfer
spur
you
on.
The
document
you
gave
us
last
time
showed
1.4
million.
J
A
E
A
A
E
That
is
what
our
estimate
is,
but
I
I
feel
like.
If
we
can
get
close
enough
to
that
with
our
budget,
we
might
feel
comfortable
putting
it
out
the
bid
to
see
where
it
lands
I
feel,
like
that's
a
high
estimate
honestly,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
overly,
can
under
under
conservative.
Is
that
a
thing
yeah?
What
happens
when.
A
L
A
A
If
we
decide
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
We
spend
a
million
to
get
300
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
deal.
What
happens
if
we
don't
take
a
grant.
E
There's
one
issue
with
this
project:
we
have
made
a
commitment
to
the
state
under
the
floor,
communities
trust
when
we
built
the
RO
plant.
We
put
Wells
and
pipelines
through
this
Corridor
where
the
trail
is
going
to
go
and
we
made
a
non-time
limited
commitment
to
eventually
put
a
recreational
trail
through
that
area
in
return
for
being
able
to
use
that
for
infrastructure.
Okay,
so
we
do
have
that
commitment.
E
A
Okay,
I'm
just.
F
A
F
E
There
was
a
couple
I
mean.
The
main
reason
was
that
we
needed
this
Corridor
for
installation
of
Wells
production
Wells
for
the
drinking
water
plant
and
the
pipelines
to
connect
it.
We
were
limited
on
locations,
so
we
really
didn't
have
a
lot
of
choice.
We
because
that
land
was
purchased
by
Grant
funds,
Bond
covenants
restricted
its
use
so
to
get
them
to
give
us
a
waiver.
On
its
first
on
the
on
the
use
restrictions,
we
agreed
to
put
this
Trail
in
and
again
I
said,
there
was
no
time
commitment
on
it.
A
E
It
was
that
and
the
grant
funding
process
for
this
one
was
ridiculously
long.
It
took
us
two
years
to
get
this
379
secured,
which
had
scheduled
risks
and
costs
went
up
in
that
time
frame.
It
was
a
whole
bunch
of
struggle,
but
I'm
ready
to
put
it
out
the
bit
now.
Commissioner,
okay,
all
right,
if
you
give
me
the
funds,
all
right,
I'm,
not.
A
So
and
Orange
Street
you
answered
that
question.
It's
it's
not
a
whole.
It's
not
much
different.
It's
950,
you
believe
it's
950.
For
the
whole.
The
whole
project,
like.
E
E
B
E
A
E
Two
blocks
well,
another
thing
you
could
do
here,
commissioner,
and
I,
don't
want
to
get
too
far
in
the
weeds,
but
this
project
also
includes
work
resurfacing
between
ring
and
Safford,
and
that's
something
that
you
could
probably
exclude
from
the
project
to
save
some
money,
maybe
put
it
on
the
repaving
list
for
future
work.
So
there
are
ways
to
kind
of
trim
it
down.
I'd
be
fine.
L
A
A
J
A
A
I'm
quote
no
I'm
cool
with
it;
yeah
I'm
fine.
As
long
as
I'm,
not
here.
A
I
know
that's
a
whole
nother
thing
so
so
again,
getting
back
to
page
67.,
so
we
had
in
in
this
in
page
67
tells
us
how
much
funds
we
have
which
has
subtracted
from
it
all
these.
It's
it
it's
like
you
know
in
in
regular,
in
in
private
business,
we
have
payables
right.
We
have
here's,
how
much
money
we
have
in
our
checking
account.
We
reconcile
our
checking
account
and
then
we
have
our
payables
and
we
say:
okay,
here's
how
much
cash
we
have
and
here's
how
much
you
know
we
owe
in
bills.
A
Therefore
this
is
what's
available
in
government
I'm
I'm
talking
to
the
public
here
now
in
government,
you
have
what
you
have
in
money,
your
payables,
then
you
have
your
encumbrances.
All
the
things
you've
discussed
that
you
want
to
do
and
or
have
approved,
they're
subtracted.
You
don't
do
that
in
Private
Industry,
you
don't
say:
oh
we're.
We
plan
to
go,
do
something
and
and
therefore
it
comes
off
the
balance
sheet,
it
doesn't
come
off
the
balance
sheet.
An
idea
doesn't
come
off
the
balance
sheet
in
government.
A
An
idea
comes
off
the
balance
sheet,
so
we
actually
have
more
money
than
we
show
here
by
all
this.
So
a
lot
of
these
items
are
timed
not
to
actually
come
out
of
our
funds,
for
maybe
several
careers,
like
you
were
talking
about
the
fire
station.
That's
not
going
to
come
out
of
our
funds
for
maybe
the
next
three
four
years,
so
it's
actually
money,
even
though
we've
already
subtracted
it
so
we've
accounted
for
it,
but
it's
going
to
be
staggered
and
phased
as
to
when
we
spend
it
correct.
A
B
Did
very
well
if
I
may
offer
a
couple
of
things
and
see
how
the
commission
feels
about
it
as
I
mentioned.
Certainly,
the
North,
Pinellas
and
part
of
the
Orange
Street
construction
can
come
out
of
the
CRA.
That
would
be
something
that
we
can
look
at,
but
nevertheless,
let
me
ask:
is
the
commission?
Okay,
with
continuing
with
the
North
Pinellas
Corridor
at
five
hundred
thousand.
F
G
E
G
Fix
it
yeah,
that's
the
flexi
pave
we're
going
to
do
some
Landscaping
in
there
we're
gonna
do
some
sidewalk
repairs,
Ada.
Yes,.
H
G
What's
taking
so
long
is
getting
the
fdot's
approval
to
what
we
want
to
put
back
in
any
trees
are
in
the
tree
Wells.
Now,
once
we
take
them
out,
we
can't
replace
them
in
the
same
spot.
They
want
them
five
feet
behind
the
curb,
once
you
put
on
five
foot
behind
the
curb,
they
come
out
of
the
city
right
away
into
private
properties.
G
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
come
up
with
a
and
we're
almost
there
there
I
might.
The
max
is
very
close
to
getting
this
approved
is
some
of
the
the
trees.
We
have
some
dead
trees.
You
have
to
take
out.
We
can't
replace
them
with
trees,
but
we
can
put
some
type
of
ground
cover
in
there.
You
won't
be
able
to
put
too
many
trees
in,
because
you
have
two
problems
you
have.
One
side
of
the
street
has
wires
Duke
Energy,
which
doesn't
allow
trees
on
it.
G
The
other
side
of
the
street
actually
has
a
water
line
directly,
underneath
some
of
these
so
to
find
the
right
the
plants
to
go
in
there.
That
will
that
we
can
plant
in
there
beautify
it
and
not
have
anything
blocking
sight
distances
coming
out
side.
Roads
has
been
a
huge
Challenge
and
it
has
to
be
approved
by
the
theote.
H
B
B
A
year
so
anyway,
getting
back
to
North
Pinellas.
If,
if
we
could
continue,
does
anybody
have
an
objection
to
continue
along
without
it
a
half
a
million
dollars?
B
I
mean
to
me
it's
it's
something
that
we've
been
taught
well
since
I
was
a
commissioner
and
even
prior
to
that
I
think
as
early
as
2017
2016
time
frame
is
when
it
first
came
up
and
there's
been
discussions
with
fdot
ever
since.
So
unless
I
hear
an
objection,
I
want
to
move
to
the
next
one.
B
B
We
haven't
spent
anything,
but
we
just
keep
it
in
the
budget
to
be
able
to
use
it
for
whatever
we
need
as
far
as
design
or
anything
like
that,
okay,
the
Orange,
Street
Construction
I,
really
think
that
you
know
we're
doing
the
design
but
somewhere,
maybe
along
the
line
of
what
everybody's
talking
about,
maybe
like
a
kind
of
a
three
three
approaches
to
it:
one,
maybe
just
brick
repair
the
the
downside
of
re-bricking,
the
entire
Street
not
doing
the
utilities.
Is
that
that's
really?
B
B
B
B
Repair,
the
Jasmine
sidewalks
I
think
you
you've
got
the
the
city
managers.
Observations
on
that
I
think
we
just
probably
should
take
those
right
now.
He
needs
more
to
do
some
more
work
on
those.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
yeah
one
question
as
we're
talking
through
this
and-
and
this
would
be
for
the
city
manager,
Mr
Herring.
How
do
we
do?
How
do
we
deal
with
this
year's
capital
budget?
From
what
you're
hearing
do
we
live?
B
Leave
this
money
in
there
and
the
budget,
or
do
we
take
it
out
pending
the
discussions
that
we
have,
and
we
would
put
it
back
in
again
well.
F
Got
the
September
and
the
two
public
hearings
in
the
budget,
for
instance
the
likelihood
unless
something
changes
is
Jasmine
will
be
moved
out
into
another
year
and
that
money
will
be
available.
The
money
and
the
other
ones
would
stay
until
we
made
another
decision.
Okay
and
again
it
doesn't
matter
it's
October,
November
January.
It
can
be
adjusted
and
moved
at
any
time.
Okay,
but
but
again
we're
still
talking
before
that
final
budget
and
the
two
it
has
to
be
finished.
F
Of
course,
when
the
two
public
hearings
come
up
in
September,
so
by
September
we
should
have
this.
We
have
should
have
some
of
those
decisions
for
you
and
the
options.
Okay,.
B
F
B
Let
me
do
the
L
for
spur
first
I
I'm,
not
for
me
personally,
just
as
one
as
one
commissioner
up
here,
I
I'd
like
to
see
this
project
finished
and
we've
made
promises
to
the
county.
Also,
the
Pasco,
County
I
think
it's
important
I'd
also
like
to
see
the
The
Trestle
Bridge
fix
too,
but
that's
another.
No.
E
H
B
Yeah,
one
of
my
friends
was
on
it
and
he
they're
more
of
a
wooded
type
of
Trail
they're
nicer
than
what
we
they're
less
Urban
than
what
we
have
in
Pinellas
County.
That's.
Why
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
and
probably
utilized
a
great
deal
in
the
future,
but
we
need
to
get
the
Trestle
which
what
was
the
arrangement
made
last
time
when
fixing
the
threshold
we
provided
they
did
the
engineering
Tom.
B
F
G
B
This
is
the
the.
G
B
B
It's
a
minor
thing
honestly
on
the
scale
of
things,
and
it
shouldn't
have
been
taking
this
long
to
do,
but
it's
quite
important
to
the
Pinellas
County
Trail,
especially
if
we're
going
to
start
on
that
elfers
sperm,
so
we'll
leave
the
the
spur
will
just
leave
it
as
it
is
and
just
keep
going.
Is
there
any
other
issues
without
yeah,
okay,.
H
B
Mean
the
one
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
the
next
one,
which
is
the
Sponge
Docks.
B
You
know
I
in
no
K
all
kidding
aside,
as
far
as
when
it's
going
to
start
and
everything
I
I,
really
it.
My
concern
is
if
it's
4
billion
dollars
for
this
intersection,
it's
going
to
be
four
million
dollars
for
the
other
intersections
as
well
and
there's
you
know:
Hope
Street,
there's
Roosevelt,
there's
canal
and
South
Spring,
Boulevard
and
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
at
least
four
we're
addressing
spring
Boulevard
right
now
and
and
in
in
a
MLK
at
a
different
way.
B
So
there's
there's
going
to
be
there's
five.
If
I've
got
the
number
right
and
I'm
sure,
there's
six
that
I
can't
think
of,
but
I
don't
see
where
we're
going
to
come
up
with
four
million
dollars
for
each
intersection
and
and
so
my
my
my
feeling
is
and
I
know
in
Cardinals
working
on
this
right.
Is
it
Cardinal
stantec.
E
B
B
Card
that
Cardinal
did
do
when
we
got
into
the
Whitcomb
project.
Was
we
if
y'all
weren't
on
the
commission,
but
they
came
coming
back
with
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again
and
I
finally
asked
Doug,
stoker
I
said
you
know
you
keep
coming
back
with
the
same
thing,
expecting
there
to
be
a
different
result
and
it's
I'm
getting
the
sense
that
maybe
you
don't
have
the
expertise
to
really
deal
with
this
and
and
and
he
you
know
in
a
very
professional
manner.
H
B
B
H
B
Sector
by
intersector
by
interest
it
may
not
even
be
a
permanent
installation,
it
may
be
something
that
could
be
utilized
in
a
couple
of
different
locations.
I
I
know
that
Mr
function
did
follow
up
and
and
the
one
idea
that
I
threw
out
there
and
I
didn't
get
involved
in
it.
He
followed
up
and
it
was.
The
success
was
varied
on
it.
I
guess
so.
I
really
think
we
need
to
kind
of
like
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
re-engineering.
B
There's
another
term
for
it's,
not
value
engineering,
but
we
need
to
have
like
arcadis,
probably
has
the
expertise
of
dealing
with
things
in
a
variety
of
different
locations
and
everything,
and
they
have
more
than
a
hammer
in
their
tool
bag.
It's
the
only
thing.
If
all
you've
got
to
hammer
everything
begins
to
look
like
a
nail,
so
they
may
have
a
lot
more
expertise,
different
tools
that
they
can
actually
take
a
look
at
and
I'm
just
saying,
arcadis.
There
may
be
somebody
else,
but
Arcata
seemed
to
be.
B
When
you
look
at
their
background
and
everything,
they
seem
to
have
a
great
deal
of
expertise
and
they
can.
It
would
be
more
of
a
survey
of
what
do
other
places
do
in
situations
like
this.
That
may
either
be
permanent
or
temporary.
So
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
this
a
lot
tonight,
but
that's
the
only
that's
my
only
observation
before
we
continue
moving
forward
and
spending
over
four
million
dollars
in
one
location.
I
really
think
we
need
to
kind
of
take
a
hard
look
and
and
see
if
there's
an
alternative
way
to
address
this.
B
I
These
volts,
they
will
hinder
the
workings
of
the
sponge
Ducks
correct.
E
It
yeah,
it
certainly
will
be
disrupted
during
construction,
but
the
idea
is
that
during
operation,
it's
below
grade,
no
one
would
see
it
all.
You'd
have
is
a
control
panel
of
upgrade
to
manage
the
pumps
that
are
below
the
sidewalks.
The
location
that
you're
asking
about
is
at
the
Athens
intersection
right.
E
I
The
side
I
don't
want
to
go
into
re-engineering
their
decision.
Yeah.
Has
anybody
looked
into
having
it
on
the
other
side
of
the
duff
bill.
E
I
Because
the
duck
bills
are
they're
underwater
right
now,
they're
in.
I
Okay,
so
what
I'm?
When
you
do,
a
a
bulkhead,
you
build
a
temporary
wall,
they
put
the
bulkhead
in
and
then
they
take
away
the
temporary
wall
so
I'm
just
asking.
If
you
can
look
into
building
a
structure
around
the
duck
bill
that
that
comes
in
as
if
the
street
floods,
this
pump
turns
on
and
lifts
the
water
out
from
the
duck
bill
and
empties
it
over
the
side.
I
B
B
And
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
even
need
to
worry
about
whether
I'm
out
of
office,
I
I
may
not
even
be
alive
by
the
time
this
thing
gets
done,
so
you
know
I
I.
Think
the
point
is
it's
along
the
same
line
of
what
you're,
what
we're
talking
about?
Getting
this
different
set
of
eyes
on
it,
I
guess,
right:
okay,
all.
I
Money
versus
the
putting
the
Sponge
docks
down,
because
the
money
will
hurt
a
whole
lot
less
than
putting
the
sponge
knocks
down.
That's
I.
C
J
H
A
I
think
we
also
need
to
get
a
legal
opinion
on.
We
need
to
hire
a
land
use
attorney
to
give
us
a
legal
opinion.
A
J
A
But
if
we
are,
if
we
do
something
that
does
anything
we
do
down,
there
is
going
to
disrupt
business
and
for
sure,
during
all
that
construction,
you
know
that
we're
going
to
have
less
tourists
walking
around
and
going
to
the
businesses
and
especially
if
we're
doing
multiple
intersections
I
just
would
like
to
get
a
legal.
A
B
B
We're
okay
on
the
four
we
talk
about
I'm
talking
about
North,
Pinellas,
Corridor,
Orange,
Street
Jasmine.
In
terms
of
okay,
we've
discussed
it
and
we've
kind
of
an
agreement.
They
offer
spur
the
Sponge
Docks
of
flutter
Bay,
but
we're
going
to
get
a
different
set
of
eyes
through
arcadis
out
there,
but
Mr
Robertson,
Union,
City
Manager
can
ask
around
I'm
sure
it
may
involve
a
task
and
that's
okay
at
this
point
and
then
also
work
through
our
city
attorneys
to.
J
B
Mr
Cooley
commissioner
coulianis's
question
concerning
the
potential
or
the
risk
for
loss
of
Revenue
or
lawsuits
involving
something
some
aspect
of
this
project
to
the
businesses
and
especially
if
it's
going
to
take
a
year
to
do
so
is
that
is
that,
okay
with
everybody,
okay,
the
last
one,
Mr
Herron,
got
anything
more
on
this
last
category.
No
funding.
J
Yes,
we
could
set
something
up.
You
know
out
of
the
golf
course
revenues.
We've
thought
about
some
sort
of
financing
our
inner
fund
loan
to
help
it
out,
so
maybe
they're
paying
back.
You
know
200
000
a
year.
You
know
for
10
years,
okay,
but.
B
H
J
They've
done
a
lot
better,
the
last
two
years,
their
profit,
you
know
last
year,
was
about
600,
000
they're,
doing
even
better
this
year
about
seven
hundred
thousand.
You
never
know,
though,
with
the
weather
and
also
you
have
a
bad
year.
We've
we've
seen
those
so
yeah.
It
could
be
a
challenge
but
and.
F
F
B
You
know
it's
interesting
on
that
one
when
I
was
a
city
manager,
the
golf
course
made
a
lot
of
money
and
we
were
actually
taking
money
from
the
golf
course
and
putting
it
into
the
into
the
general
fund
and
somewhere
along
the
line
It
reversed
and
the
I
think
the
city
had
to
support
the
golf
course
for
a
while
right.
Yeah,
yes,
and
then
there
was
a
loan
or
something
now.
The
golf
course
I
still
think
it's
being
paid
off
or
is
it
or
is
it.
F
A
Club
would
probably
Clubhouse
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference.
I
mean
that
that
is
amongst
golfers.
The
anemic
Clubhouse.
It
is
a
is
a
detriment
to
people
playing
at
Tarpon.
So
when
the
clubhouse
is
upgraded,
I
think
it's
going
to
even
do
much
better
business
and
then
and
then
you're
going
to
have
food
and
beverage
revenues
as.
A
Could
very
well,
do
you
know
I
think
it
could
do
really
well
yeah.
B
H
The
golf
course
is
definitely
an
asset
all
I
was
trying
to
get
across
is
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
their
ability
to
pay
back
a
loan
based
on
their
past
experience
and
the
fact
that
yes,
they've
seen
The
Surge
over
the
last
two
years,
but
we're
not
quite
sure
if
that's
going
to
continue,
or
that
was
part
of
the.
Let
me
out
of
my
office,
covid,
stuffer
or
or
whatever
we're
just
I'd
like
to
see
another
year
Revenue
before
we
determine
how
big
of
a
loan
they
can
pay
back.
I
Eisner,
well,
we
can
take
some
of
the
funds
that
we
had
put
possibly
on
hold
in
the
you
know:
Orange
Street
construction
and
put
it
there
as
well.
I
Because
I
also
think
that
redoing
the
gulf,
you
know
the
clubhouse
is
mandatory.
I
A
I
I
think
that
we
could
fund
that
and
we
can
make
it
longer
than
if
we
do
internal
funding
right
from
longer
term.
We
can
do
a
longer
term,
so
we
could
actually
do
you
know
15
years
15-year
term
and
it'll
be
150,
000,
right
and
and
now
you
said
it
made
about
a
four
it
made
about
a
forty
thousand
dollar
profit
this
year
about
40.
J
B
B
Is
that
where
you,
the
question,
I
I,
think
that
the
idea
of
course
I
mean
the
idea
is
to
proceed
with
it.
But
it's.
How
do
you
proceed
with
it?
I
think
what
Mr
Herring
is
saying.
You
know
from
a
CFO
perspective.
He
just
wants
to
wait
one
more
year
to
see
how
this
revenue
is
holding,
but
in
the
meantime,
during
that
time
frame
they
can
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
plan.
B
The
way
you
two
are
discussing
it
as
far
as
where
the
revenue
would
come
from,
you
know
six
hundred
thousand,
and
is
that
going
to
be
enough,
maybe
divert
it
from
somewhere
else
or
or
something
and
and
that
I
don't
I
guess
my
point
is
we
need
a
clubhouse,
it's
just
figuring
out
how
to
do
it,
not
whether
we
should
do
it
and
and
I
think
we
should
take
this
one
year.
A
B
On
on
on
that
one,
so
we
got
the
golf
course
done:
the
cops
and
kids
center
commissioner
couleana
started
talking
about
that.
That's
something
that
were
our
facilities
right
now,
city
manager.
Of
course
you
know
about
this,
a
major
regiro
you
may
know
about
it
as
well.
I
know
the
chief
young
knows
about
it,
so
maybe
give
us
a
little
more
information
on
that.
F
The
major
effort
here
is
the
ability
to
secure
a
good
big
Grant,
which
this
area
of
Grant
now
there's
opportunities
out
there.
So
one
of
the
key
to
the
funding
of
this
is
getting
that
type
of
Grant
first
so,
but
we're
not
gonna
have
a
better
idea,
because
you
know
we're
still
looking
at
where
the
best
location
is
that
may
have
some
differences
with
the
cost.
We'll
know
when
we're
a
little
more
in
the
design.
Probably
what
do
you
think
a
month
to
you,
have
some.
B
B
I
just
had
to
make
a
quick
note,
bring
something
up.
So,
okay,
the
cops
and
kids
you'll
we're
still
working
on
that
we'll
know
more
once
the
design
is
on
the
nearing
completion.
B
B
C
F
Absolutely
because
remember
we're
just
doing
the
design
for
both
so
we'll
know
more,
and
we
see
what
that
design
is.
We'll
know
more
to
be
able
to
talk
about
this.
That's
why
it's
to
be
determined.
If
you
look
at
the
estimate,
you
know
we
want
to
wait.
We
want
to
wait
to
that
design
to
be
able
to
give
some
better
figures
of
what
even
we're
talking
about.
I
Question
I'm
sorry
go
ahead
on
the
Craig
Park
phase
two:
will
we
have
once
the
design?
Will
we
have
any
conversation
with
the
private
property
owners
prior
to
us
going
ahead
with
phase
one,
because
if
we
can
get
some
sort
of
agreement
and
discussion,
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
whole
thing
in
one
shot:
no
I.
F
B
F
Is
one
of
the
purposes
of
the
ability
of
doing
the
design
of
both
of
both
once
we
have
well
design
the
two
we'll
have
more
opportunity
to
apply
for
that
Grant
when
we
have
the
design
they'll
look
for
the
more
money
to
do
the
second
half.
That's
why
the
commission
wisely
included
that
in
the
design,
so
we'd
be
ready
to
go
right
out
there
after
that
next
Grant
to
deal
with
that,
but
we
will.
F
The
property
owner
is
going
to
have
to
know
the
long
range
plan
of
where
we're
going
sooner
than
later,
so
they're
going
to
be
involved
somewhere
in
this
process.
As
we
finish
both
designs
and
start
to
do,
phase
one
will
be
needed
to
notify,
have
meetings
with
all
them
to
let
them
know
the
master
plan
down
the
road,
not
knowing
the
timings
that
they
they
need.
It
involved
as
soon
as
soon
as
we
know
all
the
particulars.
So
so,
if
you
ask
about
them
being
involved
in
the
process,
that
would
be.
I
B
A
B
From
the
city
dock
north
all
the
way
around
north
and
west,
right
that
all
that
is
private
owned
and,
for
example,
the
Tarpon
Inn,
the
Gondolier
owns
part
of
it
to
your
panties
that
the
people
that
owned
right
there
all
the
way.
Actually
Villa
plamosa,
has
a
section
there,
which
is
catty
corner.
Oh
the
land,
the
land,
all.
B
B
Would
be
re,
we
would
change
the
grade.
We
would
be
I
think
would
we'd
have
to
get
a
legal
opinion
on
that.
That's
all
going
to
be
part
of
it,
but
I'm
I'm
fairly,
certain
that
we'll
be
able
to
modify
the
grade,
fix
the
sidewalks,
see
wall
and
everything
within
our
ability
to
do
an
easement.
It
won't
affect
them
personally,
but
their
docs
are
a
different
story.
I
think
Mr
Robertson
were
raising
the
sea
wall
by
2.8
feet
or
about.
B
To
three
feet:
two
and
that's
a
significant
increase,
so
some
residents
are
gonna.
I
mean
that's
where
we're
going
to
get
into
some
issues.
As
far
as
whether
we
rebuild
the
entire
dock,
elevated,
put
stairs
down
to
them
from
the
sea
wall,
I,
don't
know
what
the
preference
is
going
to
be.
That's.
B
B
Than
that
well,
there's
probably
not
going
to
be
any
doubt
in
my
mind
that
this
was
built,
maybe
in
the
20s
or
so
this
easement,
the
sidewalk
to
Sea
walls,
maybe
even
before
that,
but
that
was
before
Ada
as
well.
So
we
do
have
one
area
that
I
think
is
towards
the
West
End.
That
I
don't
even
know
that
that's
Ada
there
is
a
step
down,
so
we
don't
have
really
any
kind
of
an
ADA
access
to
this
sidewalk,
which
I
have
a
feeling
is
going
to
be
and
we'll
address
that
with
a
doc.
B
That's
the
whole
thing:
we've
got
steps
that
go
to
the
dock,
yeah
that'll
be
taken
care
of,
but
as
far
as
getting
down
from
the
sidewalk
on
the
street
elevation
down
to
the
Craig
Park,
we
may
have
to
wind
up
doing
some
kind
of
a
I
forgot
what
it's
called
the
zigzag.
Well,
there's
yeah
across
whatever
it's
called
The.
B
Switchback
yeah
right
so
there's
there's
a
number
of
other
challenges
that
that
we're
gonna
have
to
face
so.
H
B
B
Of
it,
I'm
gonna
put
myself
in
my
in
the
shoes
of
an
owner
you're
telling
me
to
repair
a
sidewalk
down
there
that
that
I
don't
even
use
it's
not
in
front
of
my
house.
It's
one
property
that
I
own
down
there
and
you're
wanting
me
to
pay
the
sidewalk
they're
going
to
say
I'll
just
take
the
yzma
back.
Just
give
me
the
easement
back.
B
B
If
we
just
own
the
Eastman
along
Where,
the
Sidewalk
is
and
we're
talking
about
changing
the
slope.
Then
we
need
to
get
the
approval
of
the
homeowners
for
doing
that.
It's
got
to
be
you
know
it.
The
good
thing
is
it's
all
one
of
these
things
that
we'll
learn
more
once
the
design
you'll
FL.
It's
got
to
be
surveyed
right,
yeah,.
B
B
Me,
okay,
we
can
buy
you
flooding,
we
can
buy
you
design
and
construction,
flooding,
design
and
construction.
We
had
an
agenda
item
on
that
the
other
night.
B
The
the
direction
on
that
was
to
do
some
additional,
just
kind
of
continue
if
I
remember,
I
continue
with
the
design,
but
also
provide
some
additional
answers
or
information
and
answers.
The
question
we
were
asked
by
the
city
commission
is
that
correct?
Is
there
anything
else?
That's
changed
since
then
nope.
We.
H
Sorry
would
you
we
just
need
to
I
mean
there
was
questions
the
other
night
about
the
way
it
was
being
approached
from
from
some
respects,
but
we
also
the
design
finding
here.
That's
showing
453
750
as
possible.
Grant
funding
is
not
available
right.
E
That
just
is
speculating
on
what
we
would
we
would
Chase
for
grant
funding.
So
we
have
all
different
kinds
of
grants
that
we
can
chase
and
apply
for
so
that's
why
it
says
possible:
grant
funding,
there's,
there's
different
many
different
sources:
okay
and
yes
mayor.
We,
we
took
your
notes
in
the
direction
from
the
board
on
Tuesday
night
and
we're
preparing
both
those
responses.
B
Hardened
the
hurricane
hard
in
the
community
center
2
million
three
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars.
We
talked
about
this
sometime,
a
while
back,
right
and
I
think
there
was
some
discussion.
We
might
need
Mr
Robertson
up
there,
yeah
over
Windows
versus
wrapping
or
or
the
two,
the.
E
We're
on
the
hurricane
Hardware,
Extension,
Center,
okay,
so
I'm
not
too
familiar
with
this
one,
except
that
I
know
a
couple
years
ago
we
went
after
our
grant
for
hardening
that
we
didn't
get
and
it
included
some
of
the
things
you're
talking
about
I
think
it
was
Windows
and
Doors
reinforcement.
E
Do
you
recall
if
we
included
a
generator
Tommy?
No
okay,
it
might
have
been
roof
as
well.
I
know
you
worked
on
this
one.
Do
you
remember
salt
and.
F
B
H
H
I
Question
was
to
to
find
out
whether
we
could
use
you
know
sheet
metal
as
a
hardening,
rather
than
replacing
all
the
windows
and
doors.
You
only
need
one
one
or
two
things,
one
of
two
ways
in
or
out.
You
just
need
to
have
it
as
a
fortress
for
the
wins
for
the
hurricane,
so
that
was
what
I
was
bringing
up.
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
this
2.3
million
was
going,
where
it
was
going
to,
because
I
know
that
all
new
windows
and
new
doors
are
through
the
roof.
I
E
Terms
of
like
shutters
and
things
like
that,
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
know.
Do
we
have
shutters
that
we
put
up
on
that
building
no
yeah
and
the
chief
wanted
me
to
make
sure
we
pointed
out
that
hardening
also
included
reinforcing
the
the
building
itself
and
the
walls
not
just
windows
and
doors.
B
I
D
This
this
came
about
after
Irma,
there
was
some
grants
that
were
available
after
Irma,
so
we
said,
let's
go
and
try
to
get
one
of
these
grants
to
try
to
harden
this
building
completely
just
like
right
now,
the
gym
is
the
only
hardened
part.
We
use
this
building
for
multiple
teams
and
stuff
before
and
after
an
event,
so
we
wanted
to
try
to
get
it
hardened.
We
wouldn't
want,
after
one
of
these
grants,
to
harden
the
building
up
to
the
cat
3
level,
so
we
didn't
get
the
grants.
D
D
It
was
an
engineering
estimate
that
a
couple
years
old
engineer
records
came
out
and
did
their
survey
to
see
what
would
it
take
I'm
sure
that
number
may
have
gone
up
since
then.
B
I
I'm
sure,
commission
generation
or
anything
else
I,
just
like
I,
said
I'm
not
debating
whether
we
should
or
shouldn't
Harden
it
I
agree.
I
just
want
to
know
where
the
2.3
is
going.
That's
no
answer
yet
yeah,
so
you
know
when
it's
designed,
then
we
can.
You
know
no,
like
I
said:
if
we're
going
to
just
replace
windows,
I
would
need
to
see
a
price
between
replacing
windows
and
whether
we're
just
going
to
board
it
up
with
you
know,
sheet
metal
so.
B
Coulianos
yeah
I
I
guess
the
thing
is,
did
you
want
to
say
something.
B
When
you
kind
of
when
we
get
to
the
Grant
I,
guess
the
the
grant
would
be
a
design
and
construction
Grant,
or
at
least
maybe
once
we
get
to
that
point,
one
or
the
other,
but
that'll
come
up
with
a
couple
of
different
options.
I
would
hope
that
before
we
get
to
that
point,
as
far
as
you
know,
we
need
to
know
how
much
of
a
grant
to
ask
for
right
and
right
now
we're
saying
2.3
based
on
an
amount.
That's
a
couple
of
years
old.
B
We
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
part
of
this
process
before
we
go
out
to
a
grant.
In
other
words,
all
we're
saying
is
maybe
update
your
engineering
estimate
from
2.3
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
because
everybody
knows
it's
important
and
then,
if
you
do
update
the
engineering
estimate,
maybe
take
into
account
some
of
the
things
that
commissioner
Eisner
was
saying
to
give
a
couple
of
different
options
as
part
of
that
process.
Of
course,
that
would
be
some
tasking
right
within
our
okay,
our
annual
or
level
of
service
tasking.
E
B
B
Okay
and
and
then
there
will
be
a
ranking
and
there
will
be
hiring
a
real
estate
consultant
to
help
us
with
that.
I,
don't
need
to
say
anything
more
about
it.
Bottom
line
is,
if
you
don't
have
a
spoiled
place
to
put
the
spoil
you're,
not
doing
dredging
so
Vice
Maryland.
You
have
any
comments.
I.
H
You
know
there
might
be
ways
to
work
around
needing
the
spoil
site
for
the
inner
Cuts,
but
the
next
time
that
we
do
the
the
major
Cuts
in
the
in
the
Turning
Basin,
which
needs
to
be
more
frequent
than
every
20
years
right.
We're
definitely
going
to
need
a
spoil
site
so
sooner
or
later,
I
prefer
us
to
start
looking
at
it
sooner
because
it
may
take
some
time
and
we
needed
in
a
place
where
we
get
the
proper
drainage,
and
so
I
mean
it's
tough.
B
Going
to
happen-
and
this
is
just
right
now-
I
think
it's
it's
the
price
of
the
land
which
is
at
the
I,
wouldn't
say
it's
at
the
low
end.
But
most
it
depends
on
the
property
that
the
elevation
of
the
property
plus
there's
going
to
be
some
improvements
that
maybe
we
can
kind
of
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
strategy
on
that.
H
H
E
I
have
I
have
some
numbers
on
that,
but
we're
somewhere
around
if
we
were
going
to
truck
all
the
material
off
somewhere
around
six
hundred
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
This
is
money
we
do
have
available
through
the
grant,
but
I'm
also
working
on
an
alternative
where
we
can
leave
the
material
behind
that
still
costs
some
money.
But
it's
a
significant
savings
to
the
city.
I,
don't
have
numbers
for
you
on
that,
for
you.
B
H
Yeah,
if
we
continue
along
those
lines
or
line
of
thought,
we
won't
have
to
redo
it
again.
We
just
have
to
maintain
what's
already
there,
so
putting
it
in
costs,
us
half
a
million
dollars
or
so
to
get
that
and
dug
or
weird
out
and
put
the
plumbing
in.
B
A
F
F
We
don't
know
so
that's
just
a
big,
unknown
and
I.
Don't
know
when
that's
gonna,
we.
B
Change
we
also
looked
at
two
Parcels
that
were
like
about
six
acres:
seven
acres
for
a
boat,
ramp
and
I
think
we
did
get
the
appraisal
for
that.
Is
that
correct?
But
we
were
missing
the
riparian
part
of
it.
That's
right!
Do
you
recall
what
the
appraisal
price
was
for
that
I?
Don't
I.
B
And
and
I
mean
that
would
be
a
perfect
location
for
it's
basically,
two
Parcels
that
are
not
part
of
the
remediation
site,
they're
they're,
right
next
to
Myers
Cove,
but
it's
a
wooded
area
between
Myers
Cove
and
where
we
would
be
talking,
but
it,
but
the
land
goes
down
and
the
riparian
the
submerged
lands
that
stoffer
owns
kind
of
cuts
off
that
area.
So
really
there
isn't
you'd
have
to
have
some
purchase
some
additional
repairing
rights
from
staffer
in
order
to
make
it
work.
B
B
It's
still
privately
owned,
it's
still
a
super
fun
site,
Seneca
Corporation,
the
parent
Corporation,
the
staffer
owns
it.
What
are
we've
approached
them.
They've
told
us
that
they've
got
an
offer
on
the
site,
we've
called
the
county,
they
were
told
the
same
thing
and
they
want
to
know
what
that
except,
nobody
has
come
to
us
with
any
kind
of
ideas.
Questions
concerning
what
can
I
do
on
the
site
for
annexing
in
yeah
nobody's
gone
to
the
county,
asking
them.
What
can
we
do?
That's
why
the
city
manager
is
saying
it's
a
mystery
right
now.
I
H
H
B
B
H
B
H
B
H
B
F
It's
about
because
there's
still
problems
with
the
water
there's
big
problems
with
the
water
yeah.
You
know,
land
is
the
easy
part.
The
the
water
and
the
rights.
C
C
The
water
all
right
we're
done
on
this.
What
are
we
talking
about
here?.
F
B
I
think
that's
the
last
thing
on
page
two
yeah
that
was
the
spoil
site
right
and
commissioner
cooliana.
She
had
the
question
about
staffer.
Okay,
I
did
we
need
a
break?
Yes,
let's
take
a
break.
We
will
recess
at
809
and
and
reconvene
at
8
19.
B
B
We
we
are
reconvening
the
meeting
at
8
19
p.m.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eisner
I
have
a
list
in
my
hand,
which
is
the
next
item
Capital
requested,
but
not
in
the
budget
for
2024..
F
G
F
So
it's
just
the
case
of
look.
If
not
tonight,
you
know
give
a
call
or
something,
but
right
now
we
have
funding
and
placement
and
all
the
items
that
you
have
talked
to
to
us
about
up
to
now
are
in
the
funding
cup.
Now,
when
you're
talking
about
buildings,
those
sorts
of
things,
they
have
been
funding
funded
within
the
budget,
so
we
want
to
give
this
to
you
again.
You
can
talk
to
us.
You
know
after
next
couple
days
or
next
week.
F
If
we
missed
anything,
that's
not
funding,
it
doesn't
mean
if,
if
something's
moved
back
later
years
or
something
it
might
not
change,
we've
still
got
a
lot
of
variables
in
the
budget.
So
but
again,
the
purpose
of
this
to
show
you
we
funded
all
your
concerns
that
we
know
about
through
the
last
budget
meeting.
B
The
only
one
that
I
would
like
we
talked
about
that
before
the
meeting
is
to
find
a
replacement
for
this
thing.
This
screen
up
here,
which
would
be
very
typical,
this
right
there
that's
I,
don't
know
how
old
that
is,
but
we
can
do
much
better,
there's
LCDs
that
are
that
size
and-
and
you
know
they
can
do
a
lot
better
things
with
the
computers
on
them
and
everything
else.
So.
B
Are
there
any
questions
concerning
this
list
of
Vice
Merlot
or,
if
you'd
like
for
me
to
go
to
somebody
else's?
Somebody
else
has
got
any
questions.
H
I
Okay
with
this,
but
while
you're
bringing
up
the
notion
of
screens
over
here,
why
not
have
one
over
there
as
well?
B
Don't
you
just
explore?
Okay,
we
can
he'll
explore
what
we
need
to
do
to
modernize
it
and
and
I.
Think
City
angel
of
course
was
saying
that
they
had
already
started
looking
into
it
anyway,
and
commissioner
coulianos.
F
A
F
B
I
Add
one
more
request
of
you:
I
think
mock
doors,
city
manager.
Last
time,
I
was
at
the
Florida
League
last
year
and
I'm
actually
going
to
be
going
again
within
a
month.
We
spoke
about
getting
a
pump
out
at
the
marina.
I
H
Got
it
got
it
down?
Can
I
also
I
have
an
adjacency
to
commissioner
eisner's
statement
that
moving
it's
green
up
there,
one
of
the
things
we
have
these
kind
of
meetings,
Workshop
meetings,
nobody
gets
to
whiteboard,
nobody
gets
I
mean
we
don't
we
don't
have.
H
A
discussion
like
I
would
have
a
discussion
in
a
corporation
at
all,
because
we
talk
about
each
other
and
we
have
things
on
paper,
but
sometimes
that's
really
hard
to
sort
of
Point
things
out
as
to
what
you're
doing
because
you're
working
from
a
list
or
whatever
we're
talking
about
land
Acquisitions
we're
talking
about
where
this
sidewalk
goes.
What
this
street
looks
like
that
sort
of
thing,
I
think
these
are
pretty
modern
times.
H
H
B
Just
me,
maybe
you
can
I
mean
honestly
I'm
I'm
being
sincere.
Maybe
you
could
talk
to
Ms
Linton,
a
little
more
information
as
far
as
what
you
have
in
mind
with
regard
to
that
concept,
you're
talking
about
being
able
to
like
sit
here
at
our
at
our
desk
and
treat
whatever
screen.
H
B
Point
out
things
actually
I've
been
observing
tonight
in
the
previous
committee.
This
commission
does
pretty
well
with
its
you
know
their
arm,
wavings
and
stuff
like
that.
So
if
it
reduces
that
amount,
then
maybe
that's
a
good
idea.
So
all
right
I
mean
I,
I,
guess,
there's
you
I
I,
don't
know
the
technology,
I
I
think
I
yeah
go.
H
B
So
you've
got
those
yeah
anyway.
Thank
you.
Is
there
anything,
commissioner?
Nothing?
Okay,
it's
not
going
away!
Okay!
Well,
he's
not
going
away,
get
rid
of
those
green
dots,
city
manager.
Of
course
you.
The
next
item
is
some
notes.
Actually,
salary,
Administration
changes.
That's
item
two.
F
Yeah
there's
been
some
there's
some
questions
early
again.
This
is
always
the
last
thing
you
see
in
the
budget
for
many
reasons,
for
one
we're
still
compiling
information
from
other
places
and
other
jurisdictions
who's
going
through
what
we're
doing
now.
So
we
learn
more
their
raises
their
position,
changes
and
stuff.
So
this
is
an
ongoing
process
and
is
always
brought
to
you
in
final
form
at
that
second
meeting
in
August,
usually
because
it
has
to
be
done
by
resolution
at
a
regular
board
meeting.
F
But
I
did
tell
some
of
you
and
mentioned
that
I'll
bring
some
highlights
of
where
I
am
to
now
again
there.
This
is
a
draft.
This
is
tentative.
This
is
where
I
think
it
is,
but
there's
a
lot
more
study
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
on
it.
So
the
sheet
I
gave
you
on
your
diet,
so
I'll
just
go
over
real
I'll
go
over
them,
it's
just
a
draft
of
where
I
think
I
am
now
and
it's
a
five
percent
salary
increase.
F
We
had
talked
about
that
before
when
we
were
booking
for
the
basic
budget.
Again,
it
was
because
of
of
even
learning
as
soon
as
the
state
city
managers
conference
in
May
that
the
three
percent
wasn't
going
to
make
us
and
was
going
to
put
us
behind
and
a
five
percent
movement
of
the
minimum
maximums,
which
was
anticipated
to
be
less
like
it
usually
is
half
or
so
or
three
percent,
but
again
from
what
we're
seeing
from
some
cities,
especially
Pinellas
County
cities
is
looking
now
like
it's
gonna.
F
Have
we're
gonna
have
to
move
those
minimums
and
maximums
again.
That
range
just
to
keep
up
my
big
final
scouting
efforts
will
be.
F
Is
the
county-wide
city
managers
meeting
on
August
4th
the
Friday
before
the
Friday
August
4th,
but
right
now,
from
what
I've
learned
from
the
Department
is
before
we're
going
to
have
to
keep
those
middle
and
Max
and
the
counties
the
minimums,
especially
which
we
wanted
to
maybe
not
do
as
much
for
the
minimums
to
to
get
some
separation,
but
because
what
the
county
is
doing
with
the
minimums
that
puts
us
at
risk
of
losing,
or
you
know,
the
people
in
the
early
process
of
the
hiring
firm.
F
F
Our
main,
our
main
looking
position
by
position
when
I
talk
about
all
the
positions
in
all
the
Departments.
It
is
that
you
we
are
really
looking
and
seeing
if
there's
improvements
needed
needed
in
the
high
risk
places
of
us
to
lose
to
other
cities.
So
we're
still
looking
at
that
and
that's
why
we
need
to
go
to
the
last
minute
to
bring
it
to
you
to
see
what
they
are
and
see.
F
If
there's
any
positions
we're
going
to
be,
you
know
forced
to
move
or
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
lose
people
in
that
we've
talked
about
several
position,
upgrades
and
grade
changes.
Most
of
those
are
related
to
item
two
as
we'll
see,
there's
not
a
lot
so
far,
but
that
may
change,
especially
after
I,
learn
what
I'm
going
to
learn
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
F
Right
now,
I
think
there's
going
to
be
limited,
Department
organizations
right
now.
The
main
one
we're
looking
at
is
some
organizations
and
public
works,
but
that's
a
that's
an
ongoing
process.
F
We
still
have
several
more
discussions
at
a
time
as
far
as
positions
at
this
time,
which
again
is
a
moving
Target
and
a
lot
depends
on
the
position
with
how
much
money
you
have
left
in
the
budget,
but
I
want
to
officially
thank
the
fire
chief,
because
we
remember
we
looked
at
positions
over
a
three
to
five
year
period
and
somehow
within
near
within
a
year's
time,
for
three
from
a
grant
and
three
being
paid
for
by
the
county,
the
fire
department's
taken
care
of,
and
that
comes
off
our
list
and
allows
some
other
departments
in
the
next
two
to
three
years,
their
positions
to
move
up.
F
Unfortunately,
the
police
hasn't
been
successful
and
it
looks
like
from
hearing
from
everybody
else.
Their
grants
are
few
and
far
they're
not
awarding
a
lot
of
them
right
now,
so
I
can't
see
waiting
anymore.
Besides
starting
the
effort
and
adding
two
new
police
officers
right
now,
I've
talked
to
I
think
that's
a
necessity.
We
can't
wait.
We
need
to
get
that
started
along
the
line.
So
those
two
are
a
definite
thing:
I'd
want
to
fund
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
it
up
here.
I've
talked
about
it
with
several
of
you.
F
There
is
one
building
department
position.
We're
at
is
to
be
determined
because
our
new
building
officials
started
today.
He's
got
a
lot
of
material
for
him
to
look
at
so
I,
don't
know
what
exactly
that
position
is
going
to
be
and
look
like,
but
it's
going
to
be
based
on
what
we've
looking
at
at
the
last
two
months
of
the
efficiency
and
it'd,
be
a
position
to
increase
the
efficiency
of
building
that
that
it's
more
than
more
than
one
of
you
have
talked
to
me
about
the
absolute
need
for
it.
F
F
That's
where
I'm
at
right
now
and
then
the
last
item
is,
is
something
that
we
will
have
to
talk
about
at
some
point
and
we
haven't
put
into
the
budget,
but
in
some
form
we're
going
to
have
to
put
something
in
the
budget
to
a
lot
for,
and
that's
going
to
be,
the
new
city
manager
position
not
only
for
the
salary
costs.
But
if
you
remember,
there's
a
big
savings
because
I
when
I
moved
over
and
because
I
had
a
police
pension,
there's
no
pension
payments.
You
have
to
be
you
make
for
me.
F
Well,
there's
going
to
be
it's
probably
going
to
be
to
the
pension,
the
icma
or
something
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
that
we
need
to
account
for
in
the
budget
or
whatever
that
be
so
we're
gonna
have
to
account
for
that
portion.
We're
going
to
count
we're
going
to
have
to
account
for
whatever
transition
period
that
we
do
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
think
about.
However,
the
transition
goes
after
transitional
future
assistance
for
the
city
manager.
F
Those
are
all
things
that
are
that
have
a
dynamics
of
depending
on
how
the
time
frames
go
and
what
that
money
is
and
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
that
maybe
beginning
is
you
know
as
soon
as
immediately
because
we're
you
know
we're
at
the
point
now
we're
doing
our
first
that
interview,
so
that's
something
that
we
need
to
talk
about
and
at
least
put
a
placeholder
in
the
budget
for
what
we
need
think
we
need
the
placeholder
and
and
account
for
that
in
in
that
portion
of
the
salary
Administration,
so
I'll
open
it
up
to
the
board
and
any
of
these,
these
six
items
that
I've
pointed
out
before.
B
I
wanted
to
the
as
far
as
the
positions
go,
I'm
fine
with
the
police
officers,
I
I,
don't
even
think
that
gets
a
store.
We
should
be
from
a
per
capita
service
number,
but
the
two
police
officers,
I'm
I'm
I'm-
for
funding
them
the
55
000
I-
know:
we've
got
a
new
person
on
board,
but
we
also
in
there
and
I,
may
be
talking
apples
and
oranges
too
we'd.
Also,
historically,
we
purchased
whatever
that
software
was
that
sixty
thousand
dollars
or
whatever
we
had
that
Workshop.
B
We
went
ahead
and
did
that
and-
and
there
was
supposed
to
be
some
representation
of
speeding
up
the
permitting
process,
the
whole
thing
and
the
last
time
I
spoke
to
our
building
official
publicly.
We
were
you
know
he.
He
basically
says
yeah,
it's
it's
speeded
it
up,
but
that
was
as
much
when
we
first
approved
that
software
they
were
going
to
have
some
quantitative
results
for
us
to
be
able
to
look
at.
In
other
words,
exactly
how
did
this
permitting
process
change?
So
I
I?
F
Yeah-
and
just
so
you
know,
this
is
the
deficiency
that
we've
seen
in
looking
the
efficiency
is
somebody
answering
the
phones
taking
in
the
emails
and
pro.
So
this
is
more
of
a
clerical
office
person,
because
everybody's
got
assignments
and
they
got
a
phone
call
comes
in.
They
leave
what
they're
doing
go
to
you
got
this
back
and
forth
constantly.
F
Okay,
you
need
to
see
this
one
here
there,
the
phone's
ringing,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
have
this
person
call
you
back
because
they're
handling
this
type
of
permits
and
and
the
emails
that
come
in
that
come
in
frequently
that
people
say
that
I'm
not
answer
I
didn't
get
a
phone
call
from
a
day
is
that
is
for
a
person
to
be
the
office
coordinator
of
immediately
answering
people
immediately
Distributing
it
to
the
people
who
needs
to
get
to
it
to
speed
up
that
process,
not
necessarily
in
the
other
process.
F
So
that's
the
first
thing
he's
going
to
be
his
first
week,
this
first
week's
going
to
be
looking
at
what
we've
got
so
far
to
get
exactly
what
the
position
called
and
exactly
what
it
does.
And
then
we
can
bring
back
to
you
at
that
time
and
stuff
what
the
the
software
did.
But
the
software
doesn't
answer
the
phones
answer
the
emails
and
the
constant
walking
in
the
office
that
any
questions
where
do
I
go.
Sometimes
it's
the
planning
so
that
one
person
is
the
that
is
the
Cog
that
that's
slowing
up
the
system.
B
I'm
sure
it's
important,
or
else
you
wouldn't
put
it
there
so
with
regard
to
the
the
other
part
that
you
had
for
the
city
manager.
B
You
know
the
other
night
I
in
answering
some
of
the
Public's
questions.
I
I
explained
that
this
transition
and
it
really
really
really
is
a
transition.
It's
an
issue
of
change
and
managing
that
change,
minimizing
the
risk
associated
with
it,
and
it's
really
an
amicable
situation
that
that
I
have
me
personally
with
the
city
manager
as
far
as
how
we're
moving
forward
and
in
my
email
for
Tuesday
night
to
get
that
process
authorized.
B
As
far
as
the
interviews
I
had
a
statement
in
there
that
it's
not
just
the
new
city
manager,
which
is
what
the
city
manager
point
out
points
out
here,
but
it
also
he
he
has,
including
the
transition
and
I
said
that
there's
some
personal
kind
of
considerations
that
have
to
be
taken
into
account
for
our
current
city
manager
in
that
transition
and
he's
got
some
thoughts
that
he
and
I
have
discussed
and
I'm
supportive
of
that.
I
and
I
know
he's
spoken
at
least
one
of
you,
I,
don't
know.
B
Who
else
he's
spoken
to,
but
I
think
you
really
need
to
spend
some
time
one-on-one
with
the
city
manager,
so
he
can
kind
of
tell
you
why
in
he
feels
that
this
is
the
best
approach
to
take
for
him
and
for
the
city
as
far
as
minimizing
any
risk
associated
with
it.
B
He
and
I
talked
today
honestly,
as
far
as
how
we
wanted
to
handle
this
tonight
as
far
as
a
discussion,
and
there
shouldn't
be
any
public
discussion
of
the
things
that
he
wants
to
talk
about,
but
it
would
be
a
one-on-one
with
each
of
you,
so
I'm
asking
you
as
the
mayor
to
do
that
and
I
think
you
might
get
an
appreciation
of
what
this
transition
and
how
it's
kind
of
structured
to
minimize
any
any
risk
as
far
as
the
future
goes.
B
H
You
know
when
we
are
looking
at
analyzing
the
current
positions,
especially
respect
with
high
risk
to
lose
to
another
city
and
doing
position
upgrades
and
generally
looking
at
our
overall,
these
positions,
of
which
one
of
the
things
that's
kind
of
always
irritated
me.
A
little
bit
is
the
fact
that
we
have
some
Physicians
which
are
paid
for
by
two
and
sometimes
three
different
departments.
Most
of
these
are
I.T
Physicians.
Most
of
these
are
classified
as
cyber
security.
I,
don't
like
to
see
that
at
all
I
just
think.
H
If
they're
going
to
be
with
the
I.T
department,
whether
they're
working
on
the
scada
system
or
whether
they're
working
on
on
vit,
here
or
or
overall
within
the
city,
they
need
to
belong
firmly
to
the
I.T
Department
period.
If
it's
a
matter
of
switching
budgets
to
I.T,
so
that
it
has
a
bigger
budget,
so
they
can
accommodate
these
Personnel.
We
need
to
be
able
to
do
that,
because
right
now,
I
look
at
it
and
there's
half
a
dozen
people.
H
Well,
not
half
a
dozen,
maybe
three
or
four
people,
I,
don't
really
know
what
they're
doing
and
I
think
in
today's
situation,
especially
with
the
I.T
stuff,
that's
going
on
and
and
all
this
sort
of
stuff
that
that's
too
scattered
it's
just
not
putting
the
city
in
a
good,
secure
position.
From
that
point
of
view,
and
that's
my
personal
thought
but
I
don't
know
if
it
makes
any
sense
to
make
those
kind
of
changes.
It's.
B
It's
genuinely
more
of
a
budgeting
drill
than
any
physical
thing
and
and
I
understand,
and
that's
probably
your
questions
are
quite
valid.
They
need
to
be
answered,
but
there's
a
basis
for
it
and
the
way
we
do
the
accounting.
H
B
Either
you
you
want.
F
B
F
B
To
do
it,
yeah
I
know,
but
but
there's
again
it's
not
a
physical
thing.
It's
not
like
you,
you
I.T
person,
you
work
for
chief
young,
you
work
for
Suzanne,
but
your
office
is
over
at
the
police
department,
because
they've
got
a
separate
system
over
there.
That's
that's
pretty
much
it,
and
so
they
charge
it
to
the
police
department,
because
it's
their
system,
not
the
city-wide
system.
That's
part
of
it.
I
can
tell
you
that
so
yeah.
H
B
K
I
I'm
pretty
much
in
agreement
with
the
all
of
these
six
I
have
had
a
discussion
with
the
city
manager
regarding
six
regarding
the
transition,
so
I'm
I'm
good
with
that.
Okay.
A
I'd
like
to
see
Ron,
if
you
could
put
together
a
the
by
Department,
the
total
budgeted
salaries,
how
much
of
those
salaries
are
filled
positions?
How
much
of
those
are
vacant
positions
because
I
know
in
your
department,
you
have
two
vacancies:
correct,
okay
and
but
those
are
in
the
budget
as
funded
right,
correct,
okay,
so,
but
we're
not
spending
money
on
those
people
because
we
don't
have
them
at
this
point
correct.
A
I
just
I'd
like
to
see
just
by
you
know
in
by
Department
how
much
is
budgeted
for
the
Department,
how
much
are
funded
our
actual
filled
positions
and
then
how
much
are
vacant
positions
yeah
and
then
maybe
even
another
little
side
thing
with
how
many
people
those
are
like
how
many
vacancies
are
there
yeah.
J
F
F
We
probably
should
have
another
one
for
them
when
the
budget
hearings
are
in
September,
so
so
we
need
to
constantly,
through
the
rest
of
this
process,
give
them
give
where,
where
those
are,
because
they
change
so
much
what
we,
what
we
should
do
and-
and
we
should
probably
do
it
throughout
the
year
or
two
or
every
month,
whatever
you
want
to
see
how
how
fluid
it
changes
but,
but
we'll
give
it
as
of
now
you'd,
be
surprised
how
drastically,
by
the
end
of
August,
could
change
either
one
way
or
another
way
when
you
get
to
October
in
November,
sometimes
it
trains,
the
downtrend,
because
the
other
agencies
have
new
positions.
F
A
Even
though
their
budget
we
have
that
budgeted,
actual
spending
could
be
considerably
less
over
the
course
of
a
year,
because
you
may
not
fill
a
position
until
halfway
through
the
year
like
we
talked
about
it
in
your
office
right
there
there's
going
to
be
an
inherent
savings
from
what's
budgeted.
Just
because
there's
going
to
be
a
delay
in
getting
these
positions.
L
A
You
know
by
Nature
on
number
six
I,
don't
wanna
get
into
anything
vitriol
like
last
meeting,
but
if
you
know
we'll
know
more
after
next
Friday
and
then,
if
if
for
some
reason,
we
don't
find
the
the
this
this
candidate
or
this
position
on
Friday,
then
I
I
think
we
may
want
to
consider
and
I'll
probably
move
for
that
motion
to
include
that
administrative.
F
Again,
when
we
have
the
talk,
one-on-ones
and
again,
the
ones
I've
talked
to
like
commissioner
I
will
need
to
talk
again
because
there's
some
other
there's
some
other
ideas
that
relate
to
the
transition
that
could
adjust
that
so
so
again,
again
after
I
taught
there's
because
there's
many
different
options
we
can
do
and
it's
all
in
a
combination,
so
yeah
I
should
have
a
better
idea.
F
After
we
talk
to
each
of
you
and
again
that's
one
of
the
many
possibilities
of
long-term
long-term
assistant
the
city
manager
is,
is
you
know
a
position,
I
think
this?
The
mayor
and
I
talked
about.
When
he
was
saying
mayor.
We
were
always
reluctant
to
get
that
assistant,
but
you
know
there's
an
open
administrative
service
director.
You
don't
have
to
call
them
assistant,
that's
a
kind
of
a
long-term
thing,
but
it
all
relates
to
that.
F
It
all
relates
what
you're
talking
about
to
that
paragraph,
including
transition
and
further
assistance,
now
immediate
future
and
long-range
future
that
that
we
should
have
the
whole
conversation
about
for
the
evolutionist
thing,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I'll
talk
to
you
about
some
options.
Ultimately,
this
is
boards
option.
F
You
know
and
working
with
me
working
with
a
new
city
manager,
there's
just
so
many
combinations
of
what
could
happen,
but
that's
some
of
the
ideas
that
I'll
talk
to
each
of
you
about
in
our
in
our
new
individual
conversations
that
we'll
have
over
the
next
couple
weeks.
Thank.
H
You
I,
you
know,
I
agree.
B
With
hang
on
a
segment,
is
there,
do
you
have
anything
else,
you're
done,
okay,.
H
With
his
observations
and
just
basically
note
that
we
have
26
open
positions
right
now
that
are
published,
we've
had
more
than
a
dozen
open
ever
since
I've
ever
been
paying
attention
to
this.
So
there
is
always
some
backlog
of
funded
positions
that
were
not
spending
money
on
as
far
as
benefits
and
so
forth.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
keep
track
of
that
amount
because
we
may,
and
the
new
city
manager
may
have
a
different
organization
Concept
in
his
mind
as
well.
So
anyway,
just
an
observation,
I'm
good.
I
Just
wanted
to
add
to
it.
I
agree
with
the
commissioner
kuleana
said,
and
also
vice
mayor,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we
also
have
you
know
the
the
pluses
the
minuses
when
we
are
short-handed.
We
have
to
go
outside,
sometimes
to
get
other
temporary
help
and
that
doesn't
show
up
in
these
numbers
as
well.
That's
correct,
so
you're
in
a
situation
where
you
need
I,
don't
know
how
you
can
you
know,
I
know
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
get
an
evaluation
and
it's
good
to
have
as
a
tool.
I
But
you'd
have
to
be
able
to
kind
of
put
in
some
sort
of
a
formula
for
how
many
temporary
employees
you
hire
to
offset
the
people
that
could
be
missing
correct
because
you
know
you
have
vacation
time
sometimes
and
too
many
people
are
on
vacation.
At
the
same
time,
you
can
get
a
temporary
service
to
come
in,
and
so
it's
it's
not
as
plain
and
simple
as
just
seeing
we
have
23
positions
open
and
we
are
are
making
for
argument's
sake,
300
000
a
year.
That's
just
not
how
it
works.
L
B
Know
it's
interesting
when
I
was
city
manager,
I
was
budgeted
in
95
to
97
of
the
entire
personal
cost
because
of
the
vacancies
that
we
knew.
But
back
then
things
were
a
little
more
stable
people
kept
their
jobs.
There
wasn't
this
this
trans.
What
would
you
call
it
transfer
from
one
over
a
nickel
increase
to
go
to
the
county
from
the
city
and
the
whole
thing
and
I
had
that
conversation
with
Mr
Herring
once
I
became
the
City
Commissioner?
Why
are
we
doing
this?
B
And-
and
he
basically
explained
it
just
the
way
city
manager
explained
it
so
I-
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
look
at
it
just
to
provide
the
information
and
then
look
at
it
at
the
different
time
frames
as
a
city
manager
described
it.
The
again,
let
me
get
back
to
before.
We
make
any
kind
of
changes
to
the
city
managers.
Assistance,
I
I
agree
that
the
city
manager
position
needs
help.
B
We
are
looking
for
a
new
city
manager
as
part
of
this
transition,
and
I
would
be
reluctant
to
make
any
changes
until
we
know
for
sure
one
way
or
the
other
how
that
income
is
going
to
be
and
and
and
but
I.
Think
again,
you
need
to
talk
to
the
city
manager
to
let
him
we
had.
B
We
did
have
a
desktop
in
2020
over
the
one
issue
concerning
this
matter
and
I
I
don't
want
to
go
through
that
again
and-
and
it
was
a
it
was-
it
was
in
any
case
I
think
they
have
those
one-on-one
conversations,
probably
the
most
important
thing
to
do
right
now
and
then
we
can
go
from
there.
So
anything
else
on
the
side.
Okay,
is
there
anything
else
from
any
of
you
on
this
item?
F
F
Basically,
what
it's
like
going,
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
the
CRA,
as
you
read
the
memo
from
the
mayor,
but
what
we
attempted
to
do
here
is
and
you'll
see
why,
as
you
go
through,
this
is
the
this
is
taken
out
of
the
budget
of
what
we
have
now,
and
this
is
the
CRA
and
you
and
you'll
see
it
goes
even
from
starting
the
titles
which
is
going
to
be
an
issue
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
separate
budget
and
the
separate
nature
of
the
CRA
being
you're
in
a
different
capacity
as
the
commissions.
F
So
why
don't
we
go
into
you
mayor
and
talk
about?
There's
some
there's
some
problems
with
this
whole
thing
from
from
the
start
that
we
got
to
start
working
on
immediately
so
mention
the
insurance
yeah
yeah
and
the
one
here
here,
the
coup
de
gras.
That
starts
the
whole
process
before
we
even
go
tonight
in
this,
the
question
was
asked:
are
we
sure
that
the
city
has
insurance
for
this
board
as
they
act
as
a
CRA
or
for
any
property
that
we
have
for
the
CRA?
Our
answer
was
well
I'm,
pretty
sure
we
do.
F
We
call
the
league
of
cities.
Their
answer
was
well.
We
think
so
never
liked
the
call
someplace
like
the
league
and
get
the
answer,
I
think
so,
and
after
two
days
of
researching
and
stuff,
they
came
back
this
morning
and
said
we
need
to
get
on
a
policy
because
you
are
not
covered,
you
are
not
covered
under
the
insurance
and
that
just
Begins
the
whole
thing
about
how
there's
some
difference
in
how
this
budget
has
to
look
by
the
time.
We
end
this
budget
in
October
how
the
titles
have
to
be
dealt
with.
F
Rules
I
wouldn't
go
into
the
mayor's
next
subject,
but
there's
a
lot
of
change.
This
document
in
the
budget
is
going
to
change
and
some
things
need
to
change
and-
and
it
starts
off.
The
first
thing
we
know
is
we're
frantically,
making
sure
that
you
and
your
capacity
of
of
dealing
as
a
CRA
are
covered
by
insurance
and
the
properties
that
we
have,
that
we
that
we
use
out
for
special
events
and
stuff
that
that
coverage
is
in
there
and
alternative
mayor
who
started.
B
Are
today
yeah
the
the
insurance
thing
I
mean
it's
I'll,
tell
you
how
Insidious
it
is
we
own
I
mentioned
in
the
memorandum
we
own,
the
former
Hoffman
property,
Sunday
Motel
property
and
the
Forbes
property,
which
is
144
East,
Tarpon
Avenue
right
across
the
street,
from
fabulous
department
store
each
month.
We
allow
the
Merchants
Association
to
use
that
property.
That
property
is
owned
by
the
CRA,
it's
not
owned
by
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
but
they
do
provide
liability
insurance,
but
they
only
name
us
as
a
as.
B
B
But
then,
when
you
go
back
and
and
and
it's
the
same
thing,
I
think
as
what
you
were
saying-
Vice
Maryland
as
far
as
charging
some
employees
to
the
CRA
that
they're
actually
showing
up
there,
which
they're
not
city
they're,
not
cre
employees,
they're
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
employees,
the
CRA
is
completely
separate
and
independent
we
can
be
sued
are
attorneys
need
to
be
identified
as
the
CRA
attorney
and
I'm,
hoping
that
Ms
Kardashian
and
Mr
salesman
can
work
that
out
for
us.
So
we
don't
need
to
go
anywhere
else.
B
There
needs
to
be
a
reimbursement
agreement
of
how
what
cost
and
and
for
me,
I
don't
really
care
it's
whatever
the
commission
comes
up
to,
but
we
need
to
have
some
formal
agreement
between
the
CRA
and
the
city
to
for
reimbursing
whatever
Services
the
city
provides
the
CRA
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
public
records
and
a
number
of
other
things.
It's
all
in
the
memorandum.
I,
don't
need
to
go
through
that
again,
but
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
and
and
so
okay.
B
B
Maybe
if
the
attorneys
can't
do
this
for
us
to
kind
of
straighten
this
out
as
far
as
what
we
need
to
do
and
I
don't
know
who
that
consultant
would
be
whether
it
would
be
you
know,
stantec
seems
to
pop
up
a
lot
on
these
things,
but
we're
a
special
District
under
the
Florida
Statutes.
The
CRA
is,
and
it's
a
very
structured
thing,
and
we
just
need
to
kind
of
clean
this
up
once
and
for
all.
I
guess
is
what
the
bottom
line
is
and
and
I
think
the
Hoffman
property.
B
The
CRA
doesn't
follow
the
charter,
there's
no
protection
for
the
properties.
If
they're
near
and
dear,
we
bought
the
Hoffman
property
by
referendum.
We
didn't
need
to
do
that,
but
we
felt
it
was
important
to
let
the
people
decide
whether
they
wanted
to
buy
that
property,
but
it
could
be
sold
without
referendum.
B
So
we've
got
the
one
payment
left
at
some
point
and
after
Ron
says
that
you
know
that's
been
paid
off
and
that
would
be
in
2024
after
October
1st
right,
correct
yeah,
so
we
would
come
back
and
and
I
would
ask
the
commission
or
whoever
it
is
maybe
to
consider
moving
those
two
properties
of
former
Sun
Bay
and
ankle
back
into
the
under
the
city's
name
to
provide
the
protection
of
the
charter.
B
So
if
any
of
those
properties
do
want
to
get
sold
for
development
or
whatever
the
residents
would
have
to
approve
that
to
be
done,
that's
pretty
much.
What
and
again
the
purpose
of
providing
that
memorandum
ahead
of
time
was
to
to
kind
of
float.
The
idea
that
we
need
to
get
some
help
I
think
is
putting
this
together,
but
that'll
I'll,
leave
that
up
to
the
city
manager
and-
and
you
can
talk-
attorneys
yeah,
the
attorneys
and
and
Ms
Jacobs
to
decide
on.
All
of
that.
So.
B
H
You
know
I'm,
especially
after
reading
your
memo.
I've
always
had
these
back
questions.
In
my
mind,
those
brought
a
lot
of
them
to
the
Forefront
I
think
this.
We
need
to
realize
that
the
cre
is
a
different
entity
and
that
we
need
a
stronger
interlocal
agreement
and
the
cre
needs
to
administratively
do
things
like
insure
their
property
to
make
sure
everybody's
covered
not
have
I'm,
not
sure
we're
kind
of
an
interlocal
agreement
allows
them
to
have
an
assistant,
Parks
maintenance
over.
You
know
that
sort
of
stuff
it
needs
to
be
set
out.
H
Understandable
interlocal
agreement
and
what
they
can
and
cannot
do
or
should
and
shouldn't
do
and
very
much
in
agreement
about
the
insurance,
although
that
was
the
thought,
I
did
not
have
I
mean,
but
they
do
have
property,
whether
we
transfer
it
back
into
the
city
or
whether
we
keep
it
into
the
CRA.
It
still
needs
to
be
insured.
H
B
Yeah
and
and
on
that
I
I
forgot
to
mention
the
development
plans,
which
are
a
requirement
for
the
CRA,
are
still
the
original
ones
that
were
adopted
back
in
2000.
They
haven't
been
updated.
They
haven't
been
harmonized
with
all
the
new
plans
that
we're
bringing
on
board
the
updated
comp
plan,
the
Strategic
plan
and
so
forth.
So,
commissioner,
Eisner,
do
you
have
anything
so.
I
My
first
thought:
when
I
read
this
was
we
have
to
move
like
lightning,
quick
for
insurance?
That's
without
a
doubt,
but
I'm
not
looking
to
do
any
sort
of
decision
making
or
voting
on
anything
until
we're
insured
and
until
we
have
attorney
approvals
on
how
we
can
go
ahead
with
it,
because
any
decisions
that
we're
making
would
not
literally
be
legal
any
which
way
we
are
not
we're,
not
a
CRA
board
from
what
I've
read.
So
those
are
all
concerning,
because
there's
been
so
many
decisions
made
prior
to
us,
including
us.
I
So
I
don't
even
know
how
this
went
astray
and
we're
trying
to
do
another
CRA
area
in
in
the
works,
and
does
that
have
to
be
separate
from
this
CRA
is
there
I
mean?
Is
that
when
I
read
this,
my
hair
will
fall
like
out
what
was
left
because
I
was
sitting
there.
I
I,
pretty
much
I
came
up
with
60
questions
and
I
said
I.
I
Don't
think
anybody
wants
to
hear
all
these
60
questions,
but
there's
just
so
much
that
needs
to
you
know
be
looked
into
the
biggest
thing
that
I
I,
just
but
I'd
like
to
get
answered
is
how
it
went
like
that
I
mean
did.
Does
it?
Does
an
attorney
decide
these
cras?
Are
we
advised
by
an
attorney?
Are
we
advised
by
the
city
manager?
How
does
a
CRA
become
a
CRA
and
then
go
so
far
astray
from
what
is
supposed
to
be
a
CRA?
That's
my
big
question.
I
just.
B
I,
don't
I,
don't
I!
Think
you
I
me
personally,
you
know
it's
a
culmination
of
of
everybody.
For
example,
I
worked
on
this
memorino
for
a
couple
of
weeks
and
the
ideas
came
up
when
I
first
started
looking
at
the
at
the
Hoffman
property,
but
it
took
a
couple
of
weeks
to
kind
of
Flesh
all
this
stuff
out.
I
I,
don't
you
know
we
haven't
had
any
training,
any
I,
think
all
of
that
training
and
things
like
that
are
going
to
be
important
in
the
future.
B
What
the
CRA
is,
what
the
you
know
what
we
get
trained
on
it.
We
have
to
follow
all
the
same
rules
that
we
follow
here
on
the
CRA.
We
don't
have
the
rules
of
procedure,
I
don't
have
an
answer
and
honestly,
probably
the
best
thing
would
be
to
for
you
to
talk
to
the
city
manager
about
that
and
and
I
I
think,
even
with
our
public
records
request
with
third-party
people
and
stuff,
like
that,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we've
learned
and
honestly
I
can
tell
you
something
being
city
manager.
B
When
all
this
got
started,
and
even
a
long
time
ago
is,
is
we
didn't
have
emails?
We
didn't
have
any
of
that
stuff.
It's
basically,
and
you
also
had
a
Florida
statute
book
that
you
had
to
look
at,
and
you
also
had
to
wait
one
year
to
get
the
name,
the
newest
one,
to
read
it
out
of
a
book
so,
but
so
you
kind
of
get
into
that
mode.
When
this
thing
first
gets
established
and
you
kind
of
get
lulled
into
everything
is
okay.
B
You
know
that
there
really
isn't
anything
that
we
need
to
look
at,
but
there
are
new
statutes
that
are
passed
on
all
of
this
stuff
and
and
that
one
is
an
attorney's
job
to
advise
us
of
any
new
statutes
that
we
need
to
comply
with.
And
things
like
that
and
and
as
far
as
the
risk
management
and
by
the
way
we
haven't
had
an
auditor,
an
internal
auditor.
This
would
have
been
an
internal
Auditor's
job
to
look
at
the
CRA
and
see
if
we
comply
so
and.
B
B
B
B
We
would
have
a
basically
an
agenda
item
to
kind
of
how
we
go
forward
and
and
and
and
then
basically,
it
would
be
kind
of
like
a
Bare
Bones
thing
that
we
would
have
to
do
at
that
commission
meeting
in
order
to
key
up
the
second
meeting,
which
would
be
the
CRA
later
that
night
and
then
that
second
meeting,
based
on
what
we
have
to
do
as
a
commissionee
and
the
first
to
tee
up,
and
that
would
authorize,
is
whatever
clear
the
way
to
authorize
the
purchase
of
health
of
just
general
liability
or
whatever
else
insurance.
B
A
B
A
B
C
B
When
all
of
our
special
events,
for
example,
the
merchants
provide
I,
don't
know
a
million
dollars
or
whatever
it
is,
the
coverage
I
can't
remember,
but
they
add
the
city
as
a
person
that
is
covered
and
then
they
would,
they
would
add
the
CRA
as
a
as
an
entity.
That's
covered
yeah.
They
can
okay,
I
do
but
I
I,
that's
the
issue.
Yes,
all.
A
B
That
they
wouldn't,
what
do
you
call
it.
B
I
B
F
B
What
their
job
should
have
been
to
identify
the
city
managers,
the
chief
executive
officer
identify
the
city
clerk,
is
the
secretary
and
and
also
identify
who
the
attorney
was
the
general
counsel
for
the
CRA.
None
of
that
was
done.
That's
all
been
paid
for
are
these.
You
know.
They're,
the
same
manager
has
been
his
time
has
been
gratuitous,
as
well
as
the
city
clerks,
gratuitous
and
also
the
City
attorney
has
been
charging
the
city
for
the
time
and
services
he's
provided
for
the
cra.
B
All
that
needs
to
be.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
change,
but
it's
just
the
way.
It's
structured.
For
example,
it's
the
same
thing
that
that,
in
this
Mutual
agree,
interlobal
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
CRA,
it
would
spell
out
what
gets
reimbursed
to
the
city
and
what
doesn't
and
what
is
expected
of
the
city
to
provide
services
to
the
CRA.
A
And
going
back
to
I'm,
not
one
of
debate,
this
issue,
but
we
we
mandate
that
the
first
Friday
people
indemnify
us,
so
we
mandate
that
I
can't
go
buy
insurance
on
some
company
random
company
that
I
have
no
association
with
it's.
We
we
as
a
city
require
them
to
list
us
as
an
insured
in
order
for
them
to
use
it.
That's
why
that's
why
I'm
saying
if
we
don't
have
the
authority
on
to
you
know
to
do
that
in
the
CRA,
then
we
they
can't.
You
can't
again.
K
A
I
H
Right,
that's
my
point.
Can
I
make
a
suggestion
here
as
part
of
the
application
that
the
Merchants
Association
makes
with
us
includes
I?
Think
it's
a
million
dollars
anyway,
an
Indemnity
insurance
thing
for
us
what
they
need
to
do
is
also
have
a
similar
setup
with
the
CRA.
We
can
do
that
within
a
week
before
the
next
first
Friday.
It
takes
me
when
I
request
this
for
one
of
my
customers
or
whatever
it
takes
me
a
whole
matter
of
my
insurance
guy
to
do
it
in
15
minutes
or
less.
H
It's
not
a
big
deal,
but
we
need
to
require
that
in
conjunction
with
The
Merchants
Association
during
this
Indemnity
for
us,
they
need
to
do
a
similar
Indemnity
for
the
CRA,
even
if
it's
only
to
cover
that
one
specific
property
that
they
they
own,
which
is
the
orbs,
the
Forbes
property
for
sure,
and
it's
it's
as
simple
as
that
to
get
us
covered,
it
shouldn't
be
a
big
deal.
I'll
still.
F
H
B
Talk
about
this
more
the
first
week
of
September,
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
on
our
plate
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
month
and
that's
the
scenario
if,
if
the
attorneys
have
a
different
approach
to
it,
but
certainly
adopt
whatever
they're
recommending
I'm
just
I
just
did
this,
you
know
just
to
get
it
on
the
table
and
and
it
will
go
that
way.
Thank.
B
H
F
Yeah,
we've
already
talked
to
be
more
on
it,
but
we
need
to
do
all
these
other
things
to
get
them
approved
stuff,
so
they'll
all
be
coming
and
then
all
we
have
left
is
miss
any
other
items.
Anything
else.
You
want
us
to
look
at
and
bring
back
to
you
again.
You
can
say
now
or
if
you
think
of
them
tomorrow,
the
next
day
call
me
up
and
I'll
add
them
to
the
list
and
get.
B
Back
to
you
on
the
missile,
just
just
for
the
Personnel
thing
that
we
talked
about
the
one
meeting
you
talked
about
is
our
meeting
in
August.
Is
that.
F
J
I
Along
with
speaking
to
the
merchants
about
getting
the
certificate
of
insurance
for
the
first
Friday
I
would
like
for
you,
you
know
if
you're
the
chairperson
to
look
into
no
no
come.
I
I
B
They
settled,
but
they
didn't.
You
know
the
the
CRA
wanted
at
the
city.
Commission
was
here
and
then
they
wore
a
different
hat.
The
city
commission
wanted
to
pay
for
the
settlement
for
the
CRA
and
the
in
the
residents
went
crazy.
They
said
no,
we
want
the
CRA
to
pay
for
their
own
fall,
even
though
it
was
the
same
group
of
people.
So
it
was
like
it
was
pretty
interesting,
but
you
know,
and
I
could
Envision
that
happening
out
here
as
well.
So
yeah
one.
H
B
B
It's
just
that
and
I'm
not
suggesting
the
Forbes
property.
It's
just
those
two
Parcels
for
whatever
the
the
and,
if
the
resident,
if
some
good
deal
comes
along,
I'm
sure
the
residents
will
approve
it,
but
I
think
it's.
It.
I
still
think
that,
in
my
opinion,
the
way
we
purchased
it
should
also
the
way
it
goes
back
would
be
the
same
way
that
it
goes
back
by
referendum
and
there's
no
obligation
on
any
future
commission
that
it
be
done
that
way
under
I'm.
Sorry,
CRA,
commission,
to
do
it
that
way,
yeah.
H
B
Anyway,
we'll
get
to
that
point
later
after
the
last
payment
that
we
can
talk
about
it
is
there
any
other
comment,
we're
done
with
a
massage
any
any
miscellaneous.