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Spell
for
prayer
Our
Father.
We
thank
you
for
our
mayor
for
the
Commissioners
here
who
have
been
elected
to
represent
the
citizens
of
this
community
as
they
lead
this
community.
We
thank
you
for
the
mantle
of
leadership
placed
upon
them.
We
thank
you
for
those
involved
in
public
safety,
fire
and
police
and
those
who
are
tasked
with
keeping
our
communities
safe.
May
this
meeting
be
a
productive
one.
Thank
you
for
being
here
among
us
as
we
come
here
to
meet.
E
B
B
We've
got
one
announcement
and
then
I've
got
a
couple
of
things
to
say
before
we
get
into
the
public
comments.
Item
16
and
17
is
deferred
item
16
is
ordinance
2022
concerning
the
Land
Development
code
regarding
the
annexation,
that's
been
deferred
to
June,
13th,
2023
and
item
17
ordinance,
2023-05.
B
B
B
Me
read
the
proclamation.
This
is
National
safe
boating
week,
whereas
on
average
650
people
die
each
year
in
boating
relay
related
accidents
in
the
U.S
75
percent
of
these
are
fatalities
caused
by
drowning
and
whereas
the
vast
majority
of
these
accidents
are
caused
by
human
error
or
poor
judgment,
and
not
by
the
boat
equipment,
environmental
factors
and
whereas
safe
boating
begins
with
preparation.
B
The
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
recognizes
the
support
of
Tarpon
Springs
flotilla
11-9
of
the
Coast
Guard
auxiliary
in
our
federal
state
and
local,
safe
boating
Partners
in
their
effort
to
educate
the
public
and
promote
safe
boating.
Now,
therefore,
I
close,
the
vatic
use
by
virtue
of
authority
vested
in
me
as
mayor
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
do
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
May
20th
through
26
2023,
as
National
safe
boating
week.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
primary
purpose
of
the
Coast
Guard
auxiliary,
is
to
teach
and
pass
on
boating
safety
to
the
public.
So
we
encourage
everybody.
If
you
haven't,
take
a
safe
boating
course,
and
you
know,
keep
that
in
mind.
Talk
to
your
friends.
We
teach
safe
boating
courses
every
single
month
right
here
in
Tarpon
Springs,
so
you
can
get
on
a
Facebook
page
website.
What
have
you
and
register
and
we'll
be
glad
to
help
you
out?
Thank
you.
F
B
B
Substantial
contributions
they
make
to
protect
our
health
safety
and
quality
of
life.
Now,
therefore,
I
Coast,
the
vaticutus,
by
virtue
of
the
authority
vested
in
me
as
mayor
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
to
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
May
21st
through
27
2023
as
National
Public
Works
week.
Paul.
Congratulations.
B
We're
going
to
move
on
to
public
comments
now
and
I
want
to
go
over
a
couple
of
things.
We
had
a
workshop
that
covered
rules
of
procedure
and
there
were
some
things
that
I
guess
we
do
things
in
Tarpon
a
lot
better
than
most
communities,
but
we
can
always
do
things
better,
so
I
I
think
we
can
improve
on
what
we've
been
doing
to
try
and
keep
things
focused
a
bit
and
I
want
to
remind
residents
that
on
public
comments
that
have
nothing
that
are
not
on
anything
in
the
agenda.
B
You
have
four
minutes
to
speak
and
then
on
agenda
items.
You
have
four
minutes
and
then
you
can
ask
two
minutes
additional
time
from
anyone,
but
that
person
that
gives
you
that
two
minutes
needs
to
identify
themself
and
then
that
person
waives
their
right
to
speak
on
that
particular
agenda
item.
Also
on
public
comments.
B
But
if
you
could
ask
questions
directly
to
me
and
I'll,
if,
if
it's
something
that
we
can
give
you
a
very
quick
answer
on
we're
going
to
do
that,
if
it's
something
that
is
a
little
more
complicated,
we'll
refer
you
to
the
right
person
to
get
you
an
answer
to
that
question
on
Zoom
calls
and
remote
access
that
we
do.
B
You
have
two
minutes
on
that,
unlike
the
four
minutes
that,
if
you're
here
in
person
and
then
you
can
also
send
an
email
in
that
has
to
be
filled
out
on
a
particular
form
and
the
size
of
the
text,
the
amount
of
text
in
that
form
has
been
pretty
much
measured
to
be
read
within
a
two
minute
time
frame
with
that
as
well.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
think
that
I
shouldn't
need
to
be
reminding
anybody
about
this,
but
we
should
be
respectful
of
everyone
and
I
know.
B
B
Also,
as
far
as
the
commission
comments,
any
Commissioners
want
to
have
comments
or
anything
like
that.
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
that
we
have
the
box
the
lights
in
front
of
you
if
we
could
start
using
those
again
I'd
like
to
try
and
become
a
little
more
focused
on
that
and
then
also
for
those
of
you
who
are
come
up
to
the
podium,
there's
a
little
box
to
your
left.
That
actually
gives
you
the
amount
of
time.
That's
left
in
your
four
minutes.
B
So
if
you
could-
and
sometimes
people
don't
know
that,
but
but
that's
there,
and
so
when
you
do
come
forward,
if
you
could
just
give
us
your
name
and
address
and
then
speak
with
what
you
have
to
say.
If,
with
that
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
public
comments,
are
there
any
public
comments
this
evening?
Please
come
forward,
sir.
I
Hello,
my
name
is
Robert
Wood
I'm
I
live
at
520,
wide
View,
Ave,
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida
and
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
in
opposition
to
the
chip
seal
on
wide
View
Ave
due
to
flooding
concerns.
So
let
me
give
you
a
brief
history
on
Friday
November,
1st
2019
at
1pm
tree
cutters
and
trucks
rolled
into
our
street.
It
was
crazy.
The
street
was
under
attack
upon
orders
from
Tarpon
Springs
code
enforcement
to
trees
and
vegetation
on
the
Eastern.
Bank
were
ordered
to
take
to
be
taken
down
to
the
ground.
I
I
No
one
would
respond
to
our
phone
calls
and
no
one
would
show
up
to
help
until
commissioner
Raya
came
over
to
see
what
was
going
on
shortly
after
mayor
came
over
and
chief
K
showed
up
with
many
apologies,
Chief
K
said
we
messed
up.
This
was
supposed
to
be
bushwhacked,
we'll
make
it
right
we're
sorry.
I
Few
attempts
were
made,
let's
fast
forward
to
a
couple
weeks
ago,
when
I
found
out
there's
a
new
plan
to
chip
seal
the
road
not
opposed
to
that
we
hate
the
dirt
on
our
road
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
flooding.
So
here's
what
I
sent
out
to
everybody's
email
address
I
could
find
the
commissioner
board
and
the
mayor
this
was
sent
on
May
20
May
10th
this
year,
hello,
everyone
I,
was
just
informed
that,
due
to
a
current
complaint,
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
is
reacting
without
doing
their
due
diligence.
I
I
This
resulted
in
the
loss
of
a
natural
barrier,
protective
hella,
Spanish
Oaks,
the
underbrush
and
the
trees
were
removed
without
consideration
planning
her
notice
of
the
residents
in
doing
so
code
City
and
the
school
system
left
our
homes.
In
a
dust
bowl
the
severely
damaged
the
retention
Bank
on
the
Eastern
side.
We
now
have
dirt
all
over
their
place.
There
is
no
longer
a
wind
barrier
Additionally.
The
road
is
now
in
regular
use,
as
it
is
no
longer
a
through
Street.
I
It
is
now
used
by
the
non-residents
as
a
through
Street,
which
it
is
posted
as
a
non.
We
now
have
considerable
flooding
without
a
natural
barrier.
We
also
have
light
noise
pollution
from
the
middle
school
and
the
lovely
view
of
dumpsters
I've
attached.
The
first
of
several
correspondence,
which
you
all
should
have
to
show
the
lack
of
a
timely
response
to
my
concerns.
Now
we
are
here
with
the
city
reacting
without
forethought.
Yes,
chip
sealed
will
keep
the
dirt
down.
I
It'll
also
become
an
Avenue
to
direct
water
flow
directly
to
my
houses
and
my
neighborhouses,
and
this
includes
my
neighbors
on
Riverside
Drive
that
Express
their
concern.
It
will
no
longer
absorb
the
water
as
the
dirt
road
does
preventing
flooding
of
our
homes
and
our
yards.
Additionally,
it
will
change
the
entire
feel
of
our
road.
We
purchased
our
homes
in
a
quiet,
non-through
street,
a
dirt
road.
I
This
will
open
up
to
additional
traffic,
impacting
our
homes
and
the
experience
of
the
road
as
it
is
done
for
those
living
on
Lilly
street
that
had
their
street
paved
and
now
kind
of
regret
it
before
you
make
another
bad
decision,
and
this
ends
up
in
the
court
system.
I
would
strongly
challenge
you
to
plan
better
and
discuss
this
with
your
neighbors.
I
B
H
H
This
is
under
me
and
my
decisions
as
city
manager
and
day-to-day
operations,
so
they're
looking
at
you
kind
of
like
they
don't
know
what
you're
talking
about,
because
it's
not
to
their
level
yet
and
I,
don't
even
know
if
the
road
and
stuff
right
now
it's
on
my
level
so
you'll
be
dealing
with
me
and
my
team
on
this,
and
and
they
don't
understand
what
you're
saying,
because
it's
not
to
the
level
of
policy
making
that
the
that
the
commission
does
is
on
the
data
operations
that
you
have
to
deal
with
neon
so
so
we'll
be
in
touch
and
and
we'll
be
you'll,
be
involved
in
the
decision
making
process
of
what
we're
going
to
do
and
we're
going
to
make
the
best
decision
totally
and
stuff.
H
K
J
Evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Michael
Murray,
first
of
all,
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that,
because
it's
exciting
to
know
that
you
guys
get
together
to
do
this.
J
I
live
at
712,
Lincoln
Avenue,
where
I'm
going
to
live
at
712,
Lincoln
Avenue,
it's
a
family-owned
property,
but
I
just
recently
learned
that
there
was
a
lien
on
the
property
by
the
city
of
traveling
Springs,
which
I
had
no
idea
of
how
riding
can't
get
any
answers
on
to
why
that
is,
and
I
was
hoping
to.
You
know
get
some
information
from
one
of
the
city
officials
on.
Why
would
a
lien
be
on
the
property
since
it's
been
vacant?
H
L
Good
evening,
David
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
I
live
on
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor,
the
preamble
to
our
current
constitution
in
in
pertinent
part,
States
We,
the
People
of
the
United
States,
in
order
to
secure
the
blessings
of
liberty
to
ourselves,
and
our
posterity
do
establish
this
constitution
for
the
United
States
of
America,
the
United
States
and
the
United
States
of
America
are
two
separate
constitutions,
as
recognized
in
the
Preamble
of
this
constitution.
It's
legal
jargon:
it's
a
trick.
It's
a
self-righteous
Act
of
constitutional
betrayal,
as
enumerated
in
Article
1,
Section
2.
L
We,
the
people
in
actuality,
is
one
person
out
of
every
thirty
thousand
people,
the
14th
Amendment
being
extrapolated
from
Article
1
Section
2
has
a
privileged
and
immune
character
of
such
based
on
the
Declaration
of
Independence.
That
would
be
the
legislation
of
the
British
Brethren
as
being
privileged
and
immune
and
as
based
on
Article
1.
L
Section
2
would
be
that
one
out
of
every
thirty
thousand
persons,
as
enumerated
I,
feel
as
though
that
that
what's
taking
place
with
the
with
this
evolution
of
government
is
this
government
here
that
we
have
today
was
just
established
as
some
sort
of
a
puppet,
a
Banana
Republic
Underneath
It
All
was
the
establishing
of
of
despotic
water
jurisdictions,
George
Washington,
surveyed,
watersheds,
Don,
Daniel,
Boone,
John,
Muir,
Lewis
and
Clark.
They
all
surveyed
watersheds
Ponce
de
Leon,
and
they
quickly
covered
it
up
with
the
arbitrary
nature
of
the
50
states.
L
So
if
that's
the
case
when,
in
the
course
of
human
events,
we
have
a
constitutional
crisis
on
our
hands
in
regards
to
Powers
over
water
and
I,
do
believe
that
this
we,
the
people
as
enumerated
in
Article
1
Section
2,
has
to
be
disqualified
for
constitutional
fraud
and
and
deception.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
Chris
raboski
1602,
Gulf,
Beach,
Boulevard,
Tarpon,
Springs
34689,
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
the
most
recent
update
in
the
clay
culson
case.
It's
now
the
Teresa
Ruble
colic
case
against
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
the
one
that
Endeavors
to
save
the
74
Acres
on
the
Anclote
River,
currently
owned
by
Walmart
and
will
someday
soon
be
a
park.
M
So
they
used
horrendous,
slanderous
language
against
her
me
and
others,
and
thank
God.
Her
family
showed
up
I'm.
Sorry,
clay,
coulson's
family
showed
up
at
this
thing
and
on
a
whim
the
court.
The
court
sent
a
dead
man,
a
document
traumatizing
Clay's
sisters,
they're
like
why
are
they
sending
these
things
to
Clay?
M
And
we
got
to
talking
and
I
said?
Oh
by
the
way,
there's
a
hearing
for
the
woman
that
actually
clay
handed
the
case
over
too.
If
you
want
to
go
on
Monday,
and
so
she
thought
about
it,
and
then
that
morning
she
and
her
sister
decided
to
go
and
they
got
to
testify
that
that
was
indeed
Clay's
signature.
Of
course,
the
Morgan
group
hired
some
Brazilian
dollar
people
to
lie
and
say
that
it
was
not,
and
they
got
to
testify
to
the
fact
that.
A
A
M
It
and
has
many
legal
friends,
professors
attorneys
even
legal
students
that
help
him
win
these
cases,
and
so
they
tried
to
perpetrate
this
fraud
on
Teresa
and
she
I.
No
formal
training
whatsoever
recognize
that
Clay's
Family
was
in
there
and,
like
a
Perry
Mason
moment,
called
clay
sister
to
the
witness
stand,
it's
a
miracle:
absolute
Miracle.
They
were
not
planning
to
be
there.
They
didn't
know
this
was
going
to
happen
all
the
stars
aligned
for
her.
M
Now,
of
course,
she
didn't
Prevail
that
day,
because
the
judge
that
they're
that
they're
dealing
with
judge
muscarella-
but
you
see
that's
not
the
point.
The
point
is
the
appeal
and
there
will
be
many.
They
did
not
allow
her
to
film
the
hearing,
even
though
they
followed
the
proceeding
are
the
the
procedure
that
she
was
told
to
follow
in
order
to
film,
so
they
disallowed
that.
So
why
would
they
do
that?
M
They
want
to
do
justice
in
the
dark,
which
is
no
justice
at
all,
so
that
will
be
appealed
once
again,
all
the
way
to
the
Supreme
Court
if
necessary,
and
we
will
so
that's
just
one
among
many
errors.
They
sprang
all
this
evidence
on
her.
That's
not
allowed.
It
wasn't
a
trial,
it
was
a
hearing
they
needed
to.
Let
her
know
exactly
what
evidence
they
had
against
her
and
guess
what
they
didn't.
They
didn't
file
any
of
that
stuff
with
the
court,
none
of
it.
M
M
N
Let
me
just
get
my
notes
open
and
I'm
short.
So
let
me
move
this
good
evening
board.
My
name
is
Heather
vernilo
I
live
at
4978,
West
Breeze
in
Palm
Harbor,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
tonight.
I
am
one
of
your
medical
providers
in
the
community
and
I'm,
a
very
Fierce
advocate
for
my
patients.
So
just
some
background
statistics.
69
percent
of
the
United
States
is
overweight,
36
percent
or
morbidly
obese,
and
when
we
have
this,
we
have
heart
disease,
stroke,
type,
2,
diabetes,
certain
types
of
cancers.
N
O
N
This
country,
of
which
you
guys
have
city
employees
so
you're,
paying
part
of
that
too
medical
costs
for
adults
who
have
obesity
is
our
1800
dollars
higher
than
medical
costs.
For
someone
who
has
a
healthy
weight.
So
access
to
these
medications
for
obesity,
services
and
counseling
is
absolutely
important,
and,
as
a
medical
provider,
I
have
been
able
to
help
patients
lose
a
significant
amount
of
weight.
Utilizing
these
breakthrough
modalities
that
are
available,
and
our
government
is
recognizing
that
this
is
an
epidemic.
Obesity
is
a
true
epidemic
in
our
country,
Pinellas,
County
Government.
N
The
board
of
commission
has
decided
that
they
are
going
to
pay
for
these
anti-obesity
modalities
and
they
are,
and
it's
wonderful
and
I-
have
many
police
and
fire,
as
my
patients
and
I
am
doing
great
things
with
them.
So
when
a
police
officer
from
Tarpon
Springs
approached
me
and
he's
one
of
my
patients
I
found
that
you
guys
don't
cover
it,
and
it's
very
disheartening,
because
I
have
a
denial
letter
that
the
city
does
not,
according
to
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
plan,
it's
been
administratively
denied.
N
So
it's
not
an
insurance
issue.
It's
an
employer
issue.
Employers
have
to
opt
in
to
anti-obesity
medications,
so
I
am
asking
that
you
guys
when
you
sit
in
your
session,
or
you
sit
with
your
city
planner
that
you
think
about
making
this
an
allowance
in
your
insurance
program
in
all
of
the
tiers,
to
allow
your
city
employees
to
have
access
to
this
technology
that
Pinellas
County
government
is
offering
their
County
employees
and
that's
pretty
much
all
I
had
I
just
came
to
be
my
advocate
for
my
patients.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
The
only
follow-up
I'd
have
I
wish
you'd
put
all
that
in
writing
and
send
attention
to
the
city
manager.
So
I
can
so
I
can
see
it
all
and
present
it
with
our
health
provider
and
when
negotiations
come
up
for
the
next
contract
to
look
at
that.
So,
if
you
could
send
me
some
next
week
or
two
in
writing
with
all
the
detailed
information,
we'd
be
glad
to
look
into
it.
P
Given
drugs
after
their
obese
trying
to
solve
the
problem
after
the
problem
was
first
created,
you
need
to
go
to
the
source.
Sometimes
it's
mental
issues,
Eating
Disorders,
other
types
of
issues
where
you
don't
get
to
that
point
in
the
first
place,
but
that's
a
whole
another
realm
of
communication
and
discussion.
That's
sometimes
above
our
our
abilities
to
solve.
At
this
time.
O
P
So
let's
begin
with
the
first
one,
which
is
insurance,
which
everybody
who
has
a
home
or
lives
in
a
rental
space,
they
indirectly
pay
for
insurance,
either
through
renters
insurance
or
through
the
landlord's
insurance.
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
few
little
readings
here.
As
Americans
can
concentrate
homes
and
businesses
along
the
coast.
We
concentrate
the
insurance
risk
in
those
areas,
vulnerable
to
sea
level,
rise,
flooding
and
super
storms
in
no
state.
P
Is
this
more
apparent
right
now
than
Florida
more
than
a
dozen
insurance
companies
have
cut
their
losses
and
moved
out
of
the
state,
concentrating
the
already
concentrated
risk
on
even
fewer
companies
later
it
goes
on
it's
easier
to
highlight
the
problem
less
easy
to
solve
it.
We
can
Harden
infrastructure
and
prepare
for
storms
most
logically,
we
should
also
reduce
the
risk
of
future
sea
level
rise
by
innovating
away
from
the
fuels
that
cause
it.
P
Another
near-term
solution
make
some
sites
uninsurable,
build
a
mcmansion
on
a
Barrier
Island
if
you'd
like,
but
don't
expect
to
be
insurable.
If
you
lose
it,
you
lose
it.
This
would
make
Insurance
more
affordable
for
people
building
more
modest
homes
in
less
prone
locations,
so
the
insurance
companies
they
write
those
risks
into
their
policies.
They
recognize
these
issues.
Now
we
go
to
the
second
article
and
I'll
paraphrase
again
a
couple
of
things.
P
It
says
here
how
are
ways
we
can
help
the
State
of
Florida
first
Florida
must
commit
meaningful
and
consistent
funding
to
conserve
the
state's
priority
natural
and
agricultural
lands.
Second
Florida
must
encourage
more
sustainable
development
patterns.
Third,
Florida
and
its
communities
also
must
take
a
page
from
the
business
Community
incorporate
fiscal
responsibility
into
the
planning
process.
Insurance
companies
and
mortgage
companies
routinely
evaluate
whether
investing
development
in
vulnerable
areas,
a
sound
business
decision
increasingly
and
understandably,
are
reaching
the
decision.
It
is
not
it's
not
smart
to
build
in
areas.
P
You
know
you're
going
to
flood
or
going
to
have
these
issues,
but
the
last
paragraph
I'm
going
to
read
since
I
have
about
30
seconds
left
are
state
and
local
leaders
need
to
have
the
vision
and
political
courage
to
protect
sensitive
natural
and
agricultural
lands,
support
sound
and
fiscally
responsible
Community
planning
and
make
wise
editions,
wiser
decisions
regarding
the
location
density
and
timing
of
new
development
and
Redevelopment
moving
forward
the
time
to
start
is
now.
You
know
it.
We
all
know
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
Mr
delicas.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments
from
anyone
in
the
it's
attending
this
meeting.
B
B
We've
got
eight
items
on
that
and,
as
we
did
last
time,
I'm
going
to
ask
if,
if
Commissioners
just
have
a
comment
on
one
of
the
items
and
not
a
question
if
we
could
just
wait
until
the
very
end
and
while
we're
approving
all
eight
to
make
the
comment
on
that
one
if
you've
got
questions,
certainly
pull
the
item
that
you'd
like
I'm,
going
to
ask
now:
are
there
any
any
items
that
commissions
we
should
pull?
B
No,
no
okay
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
through
the
consent
agenda
item.
One
is
satisfaction.
Release
of
liens
number
two
is
attorneys
fees,
a
Johnson,
Jackson
invoice,
10881
and
10882.
B
is
unit
salesman.
Jensen
PA
invoice
is
seven
six
zero,
zero
one;
seven,
six,
zero
zero.
Two
three
and
four
number
three
is
award
file
number
three:
two:
three:
zero
one:
six
one-c-ph
Dorset
park,
playground,
structure,
replacement
item
four:
is
increase
file,
number
2201636
single
Source,
purchase
of
sulfuric
acid
item.
B
Five
is
increase
file
number
two:
three:
zero:
zero;
three:
eight
single
Source
purchase
of
Chevrolet
original
equipment,
manufacturer
Parts
item
six
is
award
file;
number
two:
three
zero
one:
six,
four
single
Source
purchase
of
internet
related
Services
item;
seven
is
award
file
number
two:
three
zero
one:
six
six
cure
in
place:
pipelining
Services
item;
eight
is
increase
file;
number
two:
zero;
zero;
zero
one;
four
liquid
carbon
dioxide;
I'm
going
to
ask
the
if
public.
If
any
of
you
have
any
questions,
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
come
forward
and
concerning
any
of
these
eight
items.
P
All
right,
it's
interesting
because
I
look
at
the
printed
documents,
I
see
in
something
different
than
I
saw
online,
but
with
regards
to
the
bill
with
concerned,
citizens
on
April
5th
says:
review,
email
from
and
prepare
email
to,
Ed
Armstrong
regarding
referendum
in
a
later
conference
with
Ed
Armstrong
regarding
referendum.
P
There
was
a
something
about
a
agreement
of
a
sales
agreement
with
Mr
Mena
with
regards
to
the
Roosevelt
property
and
oh
here
it
is
I'm.
Sorry
427.,
review
correspondence
from
C
major
prepare
email
regarding
land
purchase,
but
I
still
don't
see
the
one
that
was
mentioned
about
a
right-of-way.
So
are
we
being
requested?
Oh
here
it
is
never
mind.
I'm,
sorry,
I,
apologize,
4,
14.
P
B
May
have
been
the
towards.
K
K
It's
ongoing
litigation
but
I'm
happy
to
say
that
is
appropriate
where
it
was
put
and
something
said
the
public
doesn't
know
based
on
shade
meetings
that
we
have.
That
will
be
public
after
the
litigation,
but
certainly
the
board
knows
what's
going
on.
K
B
That's
all
right,
thank
you.
Is
there
any
other
comments
from
the
public
concerning
any
of
these
eight
items.
B
Q
F
B
Thank
you,
nothing,
Ms,
Jacobs,
all
right,
nothing
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting
concerned.
Okay,
what
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
those
eight
items
motion.
B
Mayor
vatic,
yodis,
yes,
okay,
we're
gonna,
go
move
on
to
the
special
consent
agenda
item.
Nine.
Let
me
just
ask
the
city
manager.
Second,
this
is
710,
we're
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
this.
D
T
B
Item
nine
is
request
to
negotiate
development
agreement
with
the
Hayden
development
company.
This
is
with
the
Keystone
Property
out
on
East
Tarpon
Avenue
Keystone,
it's
formerly
known
as
mcalpin
property,
sea
management
course.
H
Yeah
I'll
go
have
and
have
a
Renee
introduce
it.
You've
got
you've,
got
the
staff
report
from
Renee,
also
in
the
backup.
You
have
a
memo
for
me
requesting
that
you
can
deny
the
request,
for
the
reasons
I
stated
and
from
what
you
hear
so
I'll.
Let
Renee
go
ahead
and
and
talk
about
the
proposal
then
I'll
pipe
in
with
a
very
short
reason.
Why
I
think
this
should
be
denied
and
then
we'll
go
from.
U
There
Renee
good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
and
Commissioners
Renee,
Vincent,
Planning
and
Zoning
director.
So
the
request
before
you
is
a
request
to
negotiate
a
development
agreement
for
46
acre
parcel
of
land
between
Keystone
Road
and
North
Highland
Avenue
I
think
the
board's
fairly
familiar
with
the
property.
There
was
a
previous
proposal
back
that
was
denied
by
the
board
for
a
somewhat
large
same
Parcel
Plus,
some
additional
land
for
a
51
unit
plan,
Development
Division
that
ultimately
was
denied.
U
Subsequent
to
that
denial,
the
same
applicant
submitted,
which
is
the
Hayden
Development
Group,
represented
by
attorney
Brian
angst,
submitted
a
straight
rezoning
request
to
rezone
the
property
from
Agricultural
and
RPD.
The
RPD
piece
on
this
property
is
a
kind
of
a
dead
RPD
that
was
never
developed
back
from
the
early
2000s
Pinellas
County
actually
acquired
a
portion
of
that
property
to
do
the
retention
out
there,
where
they
did
the
expansion
of
Keystone
road.
So
it's
just
a
holdover
piece
there
that
has
a
zoning
of
RPD.
U
The
underlying
land
use
is
one
unit
per
acre,
so
the
applicant
submitted
a
request
to
rezone
the
property
to
a
straight
rezoning
of
r100,
but
wanted
to
be
able
to
introduce
certain
things
as
support
for
that.
So
like
a
site
plan-
and
you
know
things
like
that-
and
what
you
cannot
do
in
a
straight
rezoning.
So
after
discussion
of
you
know
one
mechanism
to
to
at
least
consider
those
things
is
through
a
development
agreement.
U
So
at
that
point
in
time
the
applicant
kind
of
put
the
the
active
application
for
the
rezoning
kind
of
in
a
in
a
holding
pattern
submitted
this
request
to
negotiate
the
development
agreement,
which
obviously
it
has
to
be
brought
directly
to
the
board,
to
authorize
even
beginning
negotiations
on
that.
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
should
the
just
some
things
that
I
provide
for
your
consideration.
U
The
new
proposal
reduces
the
number
of
lots
from
the
previous
application
from
51
down
to
39
units
on
46
Acres.
The
application
does
rely
upon
density
averaging
and
transfer
from
the
wetlands
to
a
tree
achieve
the
number
of
lots
that
they
wish
to
to
build.
The
laws
would
have
to
meet
the
r100
dimensional
requirements,
which
is
the
minimum
10
000
square
feet
under
the
agricultural
zoning,
which
is
the
predominant
zoning
on
the
property.
Now
the
agriculture
District
requires
a
30
000
square
foot
lot
and
does
allow
for
agricultural
uses.
U
The
the
the
proposed
buffering
for
the
development
is
substantially
similar
to
what
you've
saw
in
the
previous
application
that
you
know
so
you
would
have
fewer
Lots,
but
essentially,
the
same
type
of
buffering
was
being
proposed.
I
think
the
fundamental
issue
that
that
we
think
is
probably
still
difficult
to
resolve
even
with
the
development
agreement,
is
that
when
you
have
an
r100
which
is
a
typical
Suburban,
single-family
subdivision
development,
still
a
budding
up
to
agricultural
lands
in
unincorporated
County,
which
we
have
no
control
over.
U
You
still
are
setting
up
the
same
compatibility
issue
down
the
road,
for
you
know
for
potential
concern,
and
you
know
that's
why
you
see
is
the
way
that
the
memo
is
couched.
We're
not
sure
the
development
agreement
really
will
can
ameliorate
that
situation,
but
perhaps-
and
then
lastly,
I
just
did
want
to
call
out
the
previous
development
was
predicated
on
a
right-of-way
use,
permit
from
Pinellas
County
to
cross
the
Pinellas
Trail
and
provide
access
to
Keystone
Road,
our
recent
conversations
with
Pinellas
County,
subsequent
to
that
actual
application
being
denied.
U
They
have
revoked
that
previous
consideration
for
the
an
access
and
have
that
basically
indicated
that
any
future
development
would
have
to
take
an
access
off
of
Highland
Road.
So
that
is
a
that
is
a
negotiating
point
that
I
think
Pinellas
County
should
be
involved
in.
If,
if
we
go
down
this
path,
so
I'll
stop
there
and
I'll
answer
any
questions
you
might.
B
Have
okay?
What
are
normal
rules
of
procedure
are
that
we
get
the
presentation
go
to
public
comments
of
motion.
Second,
then,
we
have
our
questions
and
discussion
because
Ms
Vincent
is
here:
Mr
angst
is
here
for
the
applicant.
Unless
a
commissioner
has
an
objection
I'm
going
to
allow
commission
questions
at
this
point.
City
manager,
of
course,
did
you
want
to.
H
You
know
the
memo
that
I
sent
you
to
me
was
very
crystal
clear
at
the
hearing
what
this
board
decided
and
what
this
board
decision
was
on
that
land
and
it
was
to
remain
as
it
is
I
in
my
mind,
I
have
nothing
to
go
into
negotiate
because
you
made
it
clear
unless
I
misunderstood
what
this
board
said
and
told
the
People
by
the
actions
it
is
to
develop
it
under
the
present
condition,
as
only
it
is
I
heard
it
very
clearly
I
guess
they
didn't,
because
they're
asking
for
this
development
agreement,
which
would
be
the
normal
process.
H
But
again
we
had
a
public
Hearing
in
my
mind,
there's
a
crystal
clear
direction
from
the
city
to
them
and
I
don't
see
a
need
to
negotiate
because
you've
already
made
your
position
made
and
what
they're
proposing
is
not
what
you
said
about
the
compatibility.
So
that's
my
my
recommendation
to
you
is
to
deny
this
request.
B
Let
me
ask
the
commission
if
you
have
any
questions,
I,
don't
see
any
lights
on
so
commissioner
Eisner
go
ahead,
quick
questions,
questions!
Yes,.
R
U
B
Hang
on
Mr
angst
I'm
going
to
ask
the
public
do
any
of
you
have
any
questions
concerning
what
Ms
Vincent
had
just
stated:
okay,
Mr
Hanks
go
ahead.
Mr.
L
L
I
attend
a
lot
of
Swift
Mud
meetings
during
a
Swift
Mud
meeting
I
was
sitting
in
the
crowd,
as
I
do
here
and
I
overheard
off
the
corner
of
my
shoulder,
a
well
driller
from
down
Sarasota
Minnesota
way.
Talking
about
wanting
to
stick
a
well
point
on
the
North
End
of
Lake,
Tarpon
I
suspect
at
that
well
point:
he
was
speaking
of
this
well
driller
down
in
Manchester.
B
Get
us,
let
me
interrupt
you
if
you
if
you've
got
a
question,
that's
certainly
appropriate
at
this
particular
point
in
time
and
then
once
Miss,
Vincent
Mr
angst,
and
if
there's
anybody
else,
that's
an
affected
party
here
that
has
anything.
Then
you
can
get
up
and
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
public
comments
at
that
time.
Thank.
B
O
Brian
onks
625
Court
Street
Clearwater
here
with
my
client
Mr
Hayden
from
Hayden
Development
Group.
We
would
respectfully
request
not
to
exceed
15
minutes,
for
our
presentation
is
that
is
that
agreeable
as
the
applicant?
It's.
B
B
We're
just
our
rules
of
procedure
called
the
call
for
us
to
move
into
ordinances
at
7
30.,
but
go
ahead.
Thank.
O
You,
sir
Brian
uxt
on
behalf
of
Mr
Hayden
as
Miss
Vincent,
director,
Vincent
and
city
manager,
lacouras
stated.
The
commission
is
very
well
aware
of
this
project.
Commissioner
kulianis
was
actually
on
planning
and
zoning,
and
so
he
heard
this
project
in
a
lengthy
public
hearing
when
it
was
presented
as
an
RPD.
So
the
purpose
of
this
request,
Commissioners
and
mayor,
is
to
have
a
public
conversation
fully
transparent
about
what
options
for
this
property
the
commission
would
potentially
support.
O
It
doesn't
bind
you
to
actually
end
up,
supporting
it
down
the
road
but
to
give
direction
to
the
staff
and
to
the
applicant
on
moving
forward
with
developing
this
property.
I
did
re-watch
the
meeting
and
we
felt
we
left
the
meeting
with
very
clear
direction.
From
the
commission
from
the
mayor
and
from
a
majority
of
the
Commissioners
not
to
abandon
the
project.
We
were
specifically
told
not
to
abandon
the
project.
O
The
lot
size
that
was
proposed
for
the
51
units
was
about
5
500
square
feet.
What
we're
proposing
now
is
10
000
square
foot,
minimum
Lots
with
38
units
we're
not
married
to
that,
but
the
purpose
of
this
discussion.
This
public
discussion
is
to
get
that
Crystal
Clear
feedback
that
we
need
respectfully
I
didn't
hear
any
of
the
Commissioners
say
we
will
only
support
30,
000
square
foot.
O
Lots
I
may
not
have
heard
it
correctly,
but
when
I
rewatched
the
meeting
I
didn't
hear
that
the
problem
Commissioners
with
the
agricultural
zoning
and
the
30
000
square
foot
Lots
is
it
doesn't
yield
an
attainable
product
you're
talking
about
multi-million
dollar
Mansions,
the
it's
30
000
square
foot
lot
is
about
0.68
Acres,
that's
an
estate
lot
and
so
you're
pricing
out
of
the
market.
These
more
attainable
units
that
would
be
in
the
600,
700
000
range
and
you're.
Creating
you
know.
O
Essentially
you
know
private
luxury,
gated
Elite
Community,
which
you
know
frankly,
is
not
consistent
with
anything
else.
That's
been
developed
out
there.
As
you
all
know,
there
is
an
RPD
immediately
to
the
Northeast
and
there
are
single
family
and
multi-family
homes,
all
Incorporated
within
Tarpon
Springs
that
are
around
that
property,
but
for
the
unincorporated
property
to
the
East.
And
so
what
we're
asking
for
is
Direction
on
lot.
Size
is
10
000
square
feet.
Sufficient
would
15
000
square
feet
be
supportable.
O
If
the
project
was
not
done
with
certain
performance,
Milestones
I.E
get
your
building
permit
within
two
years,
get
your
certificate
of
occupancy.
Within
four
years
the
applicant
agreed
that
the
city
would
reinitiate
the
rezoning
and
rezone
it
to
what
it
was
Prior.
In
that
case
it
was
a
church.
It
was
institutional
I've
negotiated
a
development
agreement
with
the
city
of
St
Petersburg
for
a
land
use
amendment
that
was
very
similar.
O
That
agreement
was
never
entered
into
because
the
law
changed
and
we
were
able
to
do
the
project
without
the
development
agreement,
but
it
is
common
for
rezonings
and
land
use,
amendments
to
be
contingent
on
development
agreements
and
for
those
agreements
to
say
that
if
the
project
isn't
developed
or
isn't
developed
within
a
Time
certain
that
it
will
be
rezoned.
So
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
someone
else
coming
in
and
doing
a
completely
different
project
with
more
units
I'm
going
to
flip
it
over
to
Mr
Hayden.
O
Who
can
talk
more
specifically
about
this
proposal
and
and
why
that
30
000
square
foot
lot,
just
isn't
what
I
think
the
market
is
is
looking
for
here
and
I?
Don't
think
it
really
is
what
the
commission
is
looking
for
either.
Thank
you.
V
Commission,
you
know,
as
Brian
touched
on
I
too,
was
at
that
commission
hearing
and
we
thought
that
what
we
came
with
away
with
was
again
not
abandoned
ship,
but
come
back
with
a
better
plan,
come
back
with
larger
Lots,
less
Lots,
something
that
was
also
more
compatible
with
the
neighbors.
V
That's
when
we
submitted
this
plan.
I
hope
you
all
can
see
this
at
all,
but
this
is
the
one
that
has
the
38
Lots
on
it,
this
one
that
has
the
agricultural
buffer.
Here
we
actually
view
the
agricultural
zoning
over
here,
which
none
of
those
are
actually
being
used
as
a
viable
agricultural
use.
They're
just
simply
zoned
agricultural,
but
we
see
this
as
an
asset.
Buyers
want
to
be
around
these
areas.
Buyers
want
to
know
that
that
these
areas
right
in
here
are
gonna,
are
gonna,
be
like
this
when
they
buy
in
there.
V
So
we
don't
see
that
as
a
deterrent
and
the
r100
zoning
is
the
next
category
down
from
agriculture
at
some
point,
there's
a
line
between
your
agricultural
zoning
and
your
r100
zoning.
So,
there's
always
going
to
be
that
point
in
your
own
code,
Inc
and
comp
plan.
You
know
envisions
that
line,
and
so
we
believe
that
you
know
this-
that
any
of
staff's
concerns
can
be
mitigated
there
from
an
infrastructure
perspective.
V
There's
plenty
of
infrastructure
to
accommodate
this
there,
the
amount
of
additional
homes
here
the
additional
traffic
is
completely
de
minimis
to
what
is
around
it
today.
It
would
never
be
noticed,
so
we
don't
think
that
this
is
a
very
impactful
plan
and
we
the
thing
we
really
like
about
it
is
we
went
back
and
looked
at
you
know.
Staff
had
said
that
we
could
get
28
Lots
with
the
agricultural
zoning.
V
This
is
a
15
lot
plan.
This
is
the
plan
that
does
meet
that
30
000
square
foot
per
lot
and
once
again,
as
Brian
pointed
out
these
the
large
Lots,
they
tend
to
create
more
expensive
product
you're,
going
to
have
the
same
amount
of
Roads
same
amount
of
storm
water,
same
amount
of
utilities,
essentially
the
same
cost
to
develop
this
and
development
cost
ends
up
being
relative
to
the
home.
That's
there.
W
V
From
15
lots
to
38
Lots
now
it
creates
a
product
that
is
attainable
for
the
middle
class
Citizen,
and
you
know
these
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
have
the
kids,
and
we
know
we
can
create
a
really
nice
Community
here
that
is
going
to
be
an
asset
to
the
public
and
we'd
think
that
would
be
a
real
Advantage
for
Tarpon
to
have
something
like
this.
So
ultimately,
we
would
like
the
opportunity
to
negotiate
with
you
guys
tonight,
giving
us
permission
to
pursue
the
development
agreement
doesn't
approve
this.
V
O
You
thank
you
Mr
Eden,
just
real
briefly
mayor
in
summation,
so
the
whole
point
of
the
public
hearing
on
the
request
to
negotiate
the
development
agreement
is
for
the
mayor
and
the
commission
to
have
a
public,
transparent
conversation
with
the
applicant
and
the
staff
and
the
public
about
what
potentially
could
be
supportable
we've
been
trying
to
do
this
project
the
right
way
in
the
sunshine,
the
entire
time
that
we've
been
involved
with
it.
Your
staff
has
been
very
good
to
work
with.
I
did
just
want
to
mention
on
the
right-of-way
use
issue.
O
The
reason
the
county
is
making
us
go
back
through
the
right-of-way
use.
Application
process
is
because
the
original
approval
was
for
51
units,
and
so
now
they've
said
you've
reduced
the
number
of
units,
so
you
got
to
come
back.
I
am
very
confident
that
the
board
of
adjustment,
if
not
the
county
staff,
but
the
board
of
adjustment,
will
approve
a
connection
to
Keystone
road.
We
had
a
very
good
hearing
with
them.
We
got
unanimously
approved.
We
have
a
very
good
traffic
expert,
certainly
that's
something
we
would
do
before.
O
B
L
B
L
To
my
understanding,
Brian
angst,
I
I
frequently
see
him
at
Tampa,
Bay,
Water
meetings,
I
believe
he's
an
attorney
for
for
the
issues
there
and
to
my
once.
I
look
into
this
and
I.
Look
at
that
parcel
of
property.
The
Wetland
on
the
north
end
of
that
parcel
of
property
can
be
very
well
utilized
for
a
Well
Point
there's
also
a
power
grid.
Easement
that
runs
out
Eastward.
You
can
easily
run
a
water
pipe
along
that
power
grid,
easement
to
pump
that
well
point
out
east
to
that
new
pipeline.
L
Tampa
Bay
water
has
intended
to
bring
down
to
the
Mulberry
area.
In
effect,
they'd
be
taking
your
water
to
serve
their
development
practices
out
there
I
don't
believe
that
they
are
being
forthrightful
in
telling
you
the
the
reality
of
the
truth
here
or
the
whole
truth
and
I
believe,
there's
a
little
bit
more
speculation
that
needs
to
take
place
on
this.
A
M
Christopher
Bosque
1602
Gulf,
Beach,
Boulevard,
Tarpon,
Springs
34689,
so
I've
been
diligently
trying
to
reach
the
president
of
save
keystone.org.
Also
the
president
of
save
Tarpon
springs.org,
because
He
follows
this
very
closely:
he's
a
neighbor
to
the
property
and
thank
you
Mr
Eisner.
No,
they
were
not
notified
or
this
place
would
be
full.
That's
how
you
know
it.
M
So,
if
you're
ever
seeing
one
of
these
items
on
the
agenda
and
the
place
is
in
full,
you
know
something's
wrong,
and
so
these
gentlemen
I'll
direct
my
comments
that
you
would
do
well
to
request.
The
city
send
out
notices
when
you're
going
to
have
your
stuff
here.
So
you
can
hear
what
people
have
to
say
about
how
they
want
this
to
go
forward
and
I
heard
Renee,
say
one
parcel
per
acre.
My
understanding
was
two
acres
per
and
that's
what
Mr
Mark
Washburn
has.
M
M
There
was
a
county
overlay
all
this
stuff.
You
know
so
I
suspect
that
our
group
is
not
going
to
stand
for
it,
they're
going
to
notify
the
neighbors
that
this
thing's
coming
down.
They're,
not
they're,.
M
It
and
you
know
I
suspect
that
Teresa
rubikov
was
watching
and
not
going
to
be
happy
with
it
either,
and
so
there's
a
group
that's
going
to
be
forming
alongside
the
group
that
already
exists.
That
doesn't
want
this,
so
you
would
do
well
to
just
you
know,
tell
them
to
lay
off
I
thought
that
you
had.
Let
them
know
that
before
I.
M
As
well
as
Mr
washburn's
I
can't
go
into
detail
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
group.
All
I
can
say
is
I
I
got
a
good
feeling
that
they're
not
going
to
want
this
and
a
pretty
strong
feeling,
and
so
this
is
not
a
good
idea.
M
M
Each
of
you
know
that
we
need
more
of
that
sort
of
thing
and
certainly
not
more
and
more
and
more
houses
piled
up
on
each
other.
We
don't
need
that
and
either
the
gentleman
said
what
the
buyers
want.
Well,
I
know
what
the
buyers
don't
want.
X
Patricia
Tui
and
I
own
a
home
on
Highland
Avenue,
exactly
directly
across
the
street,
on
Highland
Avenue,
from
where
this
development
is
going
and
my
biggest
concern
is
the
wildlife
there.
That
area
is
a
direct
pathway
that
birds,
Turtles,
Gators,
deer
everything
they
pass
through
there
from
Tarpon
Lake
to
Salt
Lake
and
the
size.
Lots
that
they're
proposing.
Aren't
that
big,
because
that's
about
the
size
of
my
life
and
it's
Waterfront,
which
tends
to
be
much
smaller,
but
I
digress.
X
That
and
Highland
Avenue
cannot
stand
that
many
houses,
there's
kids
walking
riding
their
bikes
all
up
and
down
it
Day
evening,
people
walking
and
it's
just
the
roads,
just
can't
can't
support
it.
Thank
you.
W
Good
evening,
Anita
produce
901
Bayshore
Drive
I'm
listening
to
all
of
this
tonight
and
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything,
but
my
concern
is
property
rights
for
those
who
own
the
property
and
it's
your
responsibility
to
get
the
best
that
you
can
in
development,
because
none
of
us
are
going
to
be
here
in
the
next
30
years
and
if
you
don't
get
the
best
for
Tarpon
Springs.
Now
you
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
20
and
30
years,
so
you're
sitting
in
those
seats,
the
citizens
put
responsibility
on
you.
W
If
you
think
this
is
one
of
the
best
that
you
we
will
ever
get
in
Tarpon,
you
go
for
it.
If
not
you're.
Not
here
you
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
get
down
the
road
and
what
you
get
today
will
enhance
our
community
but
property
rights.
The
people
that
own
the
property.
Whatever
has
happened
to
that,
because
we've
had
too
much
negative
on
the
developments
here
in
Tarpon.
P
Thank
you.
Do
you
know
you
know
all
our
times
and
address.
So,
let's
start
with
the
first
thing.
First
thing:
first
thing
you
heard
Renee
say
no
notice
was
sent,
I
do
have
to
say
the
city
is
doing
a
better
job
of
noticing
nice
bigger
cards
compared
to
the
little
tiny
postcards
that
would
get
lost
in
between
so
I
wanted
to.
Thank
you
for
enlarging
the
card.
However,
I
have
an
issue
again
with
notice.
P
I
saw
this
and
I
knew
there
would
be
no
notice,
so
I
drove
out
George
Street
to
Mr
McPherson's,
the
one
with
the
dogs
I
didn't
even
get
30
yards
from
his
gate.
He's
got
fences
around
if
you
go
up,
George
Street
eventually
turns
to
the
west
and
it
dead
ends
on
the
South
Side.
There's
a
horse
corral
and
there's
some
areas
for
horses.
There
was
a
couple
out
there,
there's
a
larger
property
here
and
then
Mr
McPherson's
butts
the
the
property.
P
P
P
Parties
affected
parties
check
your
records
affected
parties
now.
I
want
to
respectfully
contradict
Miss,
Vincent
rules
of
procedure,
rules
of
procedure,
number
six
distribution
of
agenda
packets
agenda
packing
made
available
to
members
of
City
commission
at
a
pre-designated
location
or
electronically
as
soon
as
possible.
P
P
P
P
Call
it
a
dark
they're
raising
in
boarding
dogs
and
then
a
horse
place
and
other
agricultural
areas,
things
that
are
in
there
and,
as
the
lady
mentioned,
the
the
the
wildlife
so
I
have
a
couple
minutes.
I
want
to
express
a
couple
other
points
here:
Miss
Vincent
also
said
they're
relying
on
a
transfer
of
density
from
the
wetlands
I
know
it's
legal,
but
when
people
buy
property
and
there's
Wetlands
on
it,
they
know
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
build
on
it.
So
why
do
we
even
count
it?
P
P
P
Then
what
are
we
left
with?
So,
as
you
make
your
considerations,
maybe
you
decide
that
it's
worth
deferring
this
and
making
it
a
public
hearing
of
some
sort
notifying
the
residents.
There
was
no
signs
out
there
and
the
lady
mentioned
that
she
was
noticed
and
she
showed
me
the
card,
but
actually
that's
interesting,
because
this
card
says
it's
for
planning
zoning
meeting
in
April
and
these
meetings
for
a
zoning
change.
But
this
is
not
a
zoning
request
change,
so
even
the
notice
that
was
sent
out
does
not
properly
noticing
what's
occurring.
Thank
you.
B
B
No
Ray
stance,
no!
Is
that
what
you
said:
Thank
You
Wilcox
all
right!
So
let's
go
to
the
commission
now.
B
According
our
rules
or
procedure,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
motion
and
a
second:
if,
if
it's
emotion,
it's
got
to
be
in
the
positive,
in
other
words,
move
to
approve
negotiating
a
development
agreement,
then
there's
a
second
and
then
you
vote.
If
you
don't
want
it,
you
vote.
No,
if
you
do
want
it.
Yes,
so
is
there
a
motion
in
a
second
then
we'll
get
into
questions
and.
B
Second,
who,
who
did
the
motion
I,
did
vice
mayor
long
and
Mr
Eisner?
Commissioner
Eisner,
you
did
that?
Okay,
any
questions
from
the
commission,
no
lights
on
questions.
R
I
did
need
to
make
some
comments
regarding
what
was
said
because
it
was
presented
that
it
was
I.
Believe
you,
gentlemen,
got
a
impression
that
we
didn't
throw
the
issue
out,
but
it
was
presented
to
us
as
51
properties
on
literally
on
27
Acres.
So
we
really
didn't
have
to
discuss
different
proposals
because
it
wasn't
before
us.
R
So
that's
probably
why
you
didn't
get
that
turning
it
from
agriculture
to
RPD
was
an
issue
when
it
wasn't
an
issue
for
me
when
I
first
read
it,
but
it
was
an
issue
for
me
when
I
had
people
coming
in
and
speaking
about,
as
was
said,
the
having
dogs
and
having
other
issues,
it
makes
it
so
difficult
for
our
police
force
to
enforce
noise
issues
that
are
outside
Tarpon
borders
and
are
into
Pinellas
County.
R
So
I
saw
that
as
a
issue
trying
to
change
the
zoning
from
a
art,
you
know
from
an
agriculture
to
an
RPD,
so
that
was
one
of
the
things
as
well
and
I
definitely
believe
we're
going
to
have
a
great
deal
of
police
complaints.
If
that
should
happen,
so
those
were
some
of
the
things
and
you're
still
presenting
38
homes
in
something
that's
27,
acres
and
I.
Believe
it
to
be
two
acres
per.
As
was
said,
two
acres
per
property
you
so
you
have
to
still
be
including
some
of
the
wetlands
into
the
deal.
R
There
has
to
be
a
buffer
zone
between
residential,
like
we
have
in
Pinellas
County
and
where
Tarpon
Springs
borders,
I
just
I
mean
I
I
I'm,
not
against
development,
but
I'm
against
something
that
can
just
cause
havoc.
So
so
I
I'll
I'll
hold
my
vote
to
the
end.
Yes,
thank.
S
Yes,
I've
seen
this
applicant
they've
tried
to
make
some
attempts
to
approach
us
I
had
concerns
about
the
previous
amount
of
houses,
but
I'd
be
willing
to
at
least
look
at
it
and
give
them
a
chance
to
see
if
it
makes
sense
for
them
to
split
the
difference
between
the
15
and
the
39
and
try
to
come
up
between
25
to
28
houses.
S
I
think
that's
a
close
as
we
can
get
to
about
an
acre
per
property
and
try
to
give
them
that
right
to
develop
the
property
within
the
land
code
and
changing
it.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
T
I
thought
this
was
well
vetted
out
at
the
pnz
board
and
then
obviously
before
the
Board
of
Commissioners
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
moving
with
a
development
agreement
negotiating
that
I.
Don't
think
that,
if
let
me
let
me
let
me
let
me
digress
a
hair
here
when
we
talk
about
property
rights,
here's
my
take
on
property
rights.
T
T
now
you're
coming
with
38
and
asking
to
take
to
now
do
this
in
the
form
of
a
of
a
development
agreement
and
I,
don't
think
it
warrants
it
I
think
people
move
out
to
that
part
of
the
town,
so
they
have
Elbow
Room.
T
We
I
don't
think
we
should
Jam
homes
in
there
in
that
part
of
town.
Now,
if
you
want
to
present
a
new
agreement,
you
have
every
right
to
do
that,
not
a
development
agreement
that
we
negotiated
to
get
development
agreement.
You
have
a
right
to
put
a
new
proposal
together,
run
through
our
planning
and
department
and
come
back
again
through
the
process,
but
I
don't
think
this.
T
Y
I,
don't
believe
my
opinion
has
changed
from
the
original
application.
It's
zoned
agricultural
and
my
mind.
It
should
stay
agricultural
I
think
it's
only
fair
to
the
surrounding
compatibility
with
the
the
existing
agricultural
neighbors
I
agree
with
the
commissioner
that
I
don't
think
this
warrants
a
development
agreement.
To
my
mind,
if
we
start
negotiating
a
development
agreement,
that
means
we've
got
one
step
into
it
and
I
don't
think
we
should
have
any
step
into
this.
B
You
know
just
very
quickly
my
thank
you.
My
I
had
a
conversation
with
Ms
Vincent
today,
in
the
sense
just
very
simple,
in
the
absence
of
any
kind
of
a
proposal
on
the
table.
If
you
were
just
kind
of
scanning
zoning
and
this
caught
your
eye,
would
there
be
anything
that
would
give
you
cause
to
change
the
zoning
to
increase
the
density
or
change
it
from
what
it
was
and
she
said
no.
She
feels
that
it's
appropriate
for
this
I'm.
Sorry
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
I.
B
Just
I
should
have
asked
you
about
that
earlier,
but
I'm
comfortable
with
the
city
manager's
recommendation
on
this,
and
and
if
there
is
no
other
comments,
roll
call
please
no.
T
C
R
B
K
202304,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
amending
the
official
zoning
atlas
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
for
1.06
Acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
on
the
south
side
of
Dixie
Highway,
approximately
400
feet,
east
of
North
Pinellas
Avenue
from
RM
15,
residential
multi-family
to
zoning
designation,
tsp
public
semi
public,
providing
for
findings
providing
for
severability,
providing
for
repeal
of
ordinances
or
parts
of
ordinances.
Inconsistent
here
with
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
that
is
ordinance.
202304
read
by
title
only
on
first
reading.
U
You
this
is
application
22-126.
If
you
recall
two
weeks
ago,
roughly,
you
reviewed
a
companion
Amendment
on
this
property
to
amend
the
future
land
use
map
to
Transportation
utility.
This
is
city-owned
property,
so
essentially,
what
we're
doing
is
running
the
process
to
get
the
the
land
use
in
the
zoning
more
to
better
represent
the
current
and
future
use
of
this
property
as
the
City
utility
lift
station,
as
well
as
some
City
workspace.
U
There
are
Workshop
offices,
storage
and
lift
station
and
injection
well
on
the
site.
So
this
is
the
the
rezoning
portion
of
this
and
the
proposals
to
rezone
the
property
from
its
current
designation
of
residential
multi-family
to
public
semi-public.
U
This
is
the
subject
property.
This
is
a
great
that's.
The
name
of
that
road
is
escaping
Dixie.
Thank
you,
Dixie
Highway.
This
is
the
elfer
spur
quarter
here,
and
this
is
alt.
19.
cities
owned
this
property
since
approximately
1985
and
it's
been
in
utility,
use
just
a
location
and
context
of
the
area.
U
The
surrounding
future
land
use
is
a
mix
of
commercial
residential
industrial.
It's
a
very
kind
of
kind
of
hodgepodge
of
land
use
and
Zoning
in
this
area,
and
this
is
the
zoning
map
again
residential
multi-family.
You
have
the
rpds
over
here
some
Conservation
area
as
well
in
the
area,
so
the
review
criteria
again
I
won't
go
through
all
these
in
depth.
U
We
do
find
that
this
is
consistent
with
the
the
review
criteria
for
rezonings,
especially
in
the
context
of
the
approval
of
the
on
first
reading
of
the
future
land
use
change
on
this
to
public.
Some
up
to
excuse
me:
Transportation
utility,
which
the
board's
already
approved,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
It
did
review
this
and
recommended
approval
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
we
did.
U
We
have
received
some
responses
to
the
public
notice,
those
are
included
in
the
agenda
packet
and,
as
I
said,
the
planning
is
only
boarded
review
of
this
on
April
17th
and
recommended
approval
by
unanimous
vote,
and
there
was
one
member
of
the
public
who
spoke
in
opposition.
So
if
that
I'll
stop
and
answer
any
questions,
thank.
B
You
Ms
Vincent.
Let
me
go
to
public
comment.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item
or
any
questions?
Q
B
B
T
A
B
B
Mr
Salzman
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
read
the
resolution
by
title.
It
is
a
quasi-judicial
item
and
after
you
read
it
by
title,
if
you
could
go
through
the
quasi-judicial
process
and
swear
anyone
in
that's
here
to
testify.
K
Here
it
is,
this
is
a
quasi
judicial,
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
K
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
the
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
B
B
T
Yeah
I,
when
I
was
a
commissioner
elect
about
six
months
ago,
I
spoke
to
Mr
mugro.
He
had
informed
me
that
he
bought
the
property
and
he
was
going
to
be
coming
before
the
city.
I
got
no
details.
That
was
pretty
much
the
extent
of
that
conversation.
T
B
Anybody
else
exporting
I
got
a
call
from
Mr
mugro
several
months
ago,
had
a
rough
time
at
the
TRC
and
asked
me
what
he
could
do.
I
asked
him
if
he
had
spoken
to
the
planning
director,
he
had
not
done
so
I
think
he
did
that
I
hadn't
heard
anything
after
that.
So
that
was
the
extent
of
my
conversation
with
Mr
mugro.
B
Any
commissioner
believes
that
they've
got
a
conflict
of
interest
in
this
matter.
Have
to
ask
that
as
well.
Okay,.
B
U
A
U
Of
an
acre
of
that
property
is
Wetlands,
the
property
has
a
land
use
of
commercial
General
and
a
zoning
of
Highway
business.
The
applicant
is
seeking
conditional
use
approval
for
the
specific
uses
of
Warehouse
construction,
material
establishments,
construction,
service
establishments,
landscape
service
establishments,
light
manufacturing
and
wholesale
wholesale
trade,
and
all
of
those
uses
are
listed
as
conditional
uses
in
the
highway
business.
Zoning
District.
U
And
then
associated
with
this
is
the
actual
site
plan
itself.
The
proposals
for
three
buildings
totaling,
just
under
20
000
square
feet.
There
are
no
Wetland
impacts
and
they
are
observing
the
required
15-foot
Wetland
buffer.
Existing
access
is
via
North
Pinellas
Avenue.
The
project
does
propose
a
stub
out
to
Riverview.
U
Avenue
I'll
show
that
in
the
site
plan
in
a
moment-
and
there
is
a
future
access
to
Dixie
Highway-
that
is
shown
on
the
site
plan,
but
is
not
improved
not
being
or
requested,
not
being
proposed
to
be
approved
with
this
project,
and
they
would
have
to
come
back
at
a
later
time
to
do
that.
The
major
reason
for
that
is
that
does
depend
on
impacts
to
Wetlands.
U
So
this
is
the
site
location.
This
is
the
corner
of
North
Pinellas,
Avenue
and
Dixie
Highway
on
the
Southeast
Corner.
As
I
said,
it's
Highway
business,
the
property
to
the
East
and
to
the
South
is
unincorporated
Pinellas
County.
It's
a
mixture
of
General,
commercial
and
residential
across
alternate
19..
The
zoning
is
residential
office,
but
this
is
actually
the
a
church
facility
here
and
then
you
still
have
a
lot
of
vacant
land.
In
the
area,
and
then
again,
this
is
where
the
city
lift
station
is
and
just
another
view
of
the
site.
U
You
can
see
the
unincorporated
area
to
the
South.
This
is
the
Riverview
Avenue.
It's
a
real,
basically
an
undeveloped
right-of-way
in
Pinellas
County.
U
So
this
is
the
the
overall
proposal,
so
you
have
three
buildings
of
various
sizes
parking
dispersed
around
the
site.
The
Shaded
green
is
the
required
Wetland
buffer
area.
This
is
a
potential
future
access
to
Dixie
Highway.
Again,
that
is
not
it's
it's
hatched
out
and
is
not
part
of
this
site.
They
would
have
to
come
back
or
this
particular
approval.
They
would
have
to
come
back
and
seek
approval
in
the
future.
For
that
this
is
the
area
of
the
of
a
stub
out.
U
U
So
at
this
point,
there's
only
a
stub
out
that
would
have
to
seek
approval
from
Pinellas
County
as
to
how
they
would
rectify
the
difference
in
the
grades
to
this,
how
that
might
affect
these
parking
spaces
that
are
part
of
the
required
parking
the
exist,
the
entrance
from
Pinellas
Avenue
is
already
in
place,
and
there
the
this
is
currently
signed
and
shown
on
the
site
plan
as
a
basically
a
right.
You
know
right
right
turn
only
coming
out
of
the
property.
U
My
understanding
is
that
that
is
predicated
on
the
previous
application
that
was
approved
and
is
expired
and
never
built
that
did
receive
dot
approval.
It
was
I,
think
a
one
unit,
retail
building
in
the
past
that
was
approved
and
that
that
application
was
abandoned.
So
the
assumption
is
that
this
will
be
required
to
be
right
in
right
out.
U
The
and
well
I
think
it's
next
slides
I've
already
talked
about
all
of
this,
so
the
proposed
use
is
in
the
parking,
so
the
parking
of
the
parking
is
tied
to
the
specific
uses
of
the
buildings,
and
each
building
is
specified
for
particular
use,
so
the
building
to
the
north
is
specified
as
wholesale
trade,
the
building
in
the
middle,
if
you
will,
as
what
general
warehouse
and
then
the
building
to
the
South,
would
be
your
service
establishments
and
light
Manufacturing
service
establishments
could
be
construction,
service,
construction,
material
service
and
the
landscape
service,
so
each
of
these
have
different
parking
requirements,
so
the
this
is
again.
U
Plan
is
a
generally
compliant
with
our
code.
This
is
some
photographs
provided
by
the
applicant
of
a
similar
facility
that
he
owns
in
Pasco
County.
So
that's
the
kind
of
the
the
look
and
feel
if
you
will.
U
And
then
this
is
the
general
architectural
elevations
and
what
the
what
the
project
would
look
like.
There's
the
floor
plans,
I
assume,
there's
flexibility
in
these
floor
plans
that
have
you
know
a
particular
tenant
wanted
two
or
three
spaces
that
build
out.
Perhaps
they
could
do
that,
but
as
it
is
now
there's,
these
are
all
shown
as
multi-tenant
buildings.
U
So,
under
our
review
criteria,
there
are
of
the
of
the
review
criteria.
Several
of
these
are
heavily
conditioned
in
order
to
get
to
a
point
of
where
they
are
consistent
with
the
review
criteria.
So
you'll
see
you
know,
consistency
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
Okay,
that's
as
conditioned.
We
find
that
that's
consistent.
U
U
You
know
from
a
long-term
management
perspective
of
effectively
managing
the
uses
for
the
Long
Haul.
If
you
will,
because
it's
very
specific
to
what
can
go
in
what
building.
So
you
know
in
the
tendency
for
projects
over
time
to
you
know
to
morph
what
if
somebody
wants
to
come
in,
it's
not
one
of
those
conditional
uses,
but
it's
a
permitted
use
by
right.
So
then
we
have
to
back
up
and
say:
okay,
how
does
that
affect
parking?
Does
it
affect
the
overall
site?
U
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
concern
on
the
steps
from
the
staff
perspective
of
the
one,
the
fact
that
everything
on
the
site
is
being
proposed
and
predicated
on
on
the
unconditional
uses,
but
again
as
it's
so
with
the
the
resolution
and
the
condition
it's
very
heavily
conditioned
I'll
say
that
site
plan
review-wise
again
they're
as
conditioned
we,
the
actual
Land
Development
code
site
plan
review,
prop
requirements
are,
are
compliant.
U
So
we
did
not
provide
a
formal
recommendation
on
this.
Basically,
you
know,
our
concern
again
is
stated-
is
really
the
long-term
management
of
the
uses
on
the
site,
but
we
recommend
that
you,
you
know,
consider
the
findings
and
the
information,
the
staff
report.
We
do
have
us,
as
I
stated
of
a
long
list
of
conditional
conditions
on
both
the
conditional
use
and
the
site
plan,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
read
through
those
should
should
the
board
want
recommend
approval.
We,
these
are
the
recommended
conditions
for
the
conditional
use.
U
Specifically,
the
conditional
uses
approved
on
the
property
are
specifically
restricted
to
the
following:
Warehouse
construction,
material
establishment,
Construction,
Services
establishment,
light
manufacturing
and
wholesale
trade.
There
was
a
rental
service
establishment
request
that
is
pretty
much
been
dropped
by
this
at
this
point
because
of
the
parking
requirements,
so
that
is
not
part
of
the
of
the
request
and
the
editions.
The
storage
of
combustible,
flammable
or
explosive
materials
is
prohibited.
U
Approved
conditional
uses
must
be
established
through
application
of
a
local
business
tax
receipt
within
one
year
of
issuance
of
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
Otherwise,
new
conditional
use
applications
shall
be
required
for
each
tenant.
In
the
future.
There
may
be
a
mechanism
whereby
each
building
by
the
owner
could
be
given
a
con
business
tax
receipt
for
those
uses
so
that
it
at
least
that
doesn't
really
expire,
but
each
individual
applicant
still
has
to
get
their
their
local
business
tax
receipts.
U
So
that
may
be
a
possibility
to
amend
number
three
from
a
long-term
management
standpoint
of
not
constantly
hearing
conditional
uses
if
a
tenant
space
goes
vacant
for
more
than
six
months
or
a
year,
so
the
actual
site
plan
conditions
conditions
one
through
six-
are
very
specific
to
this
project.
The
other
conditions
are
more
advisory,
so
we'll
focus
on
one
through
six,
so
outdoor
storage,
including
vehicle
storage,
is
prohibited.
U
All
uses
on
the
site
must
be
confined
to
and
conducted
inside
the
building,
and
that
really
is
to
keep
it
in
compliance
with
the
land
use
of
commercial
general,
which,
rather
than
an
industrial
type
of
land,
use
the
bicycle
parking
shall
be
diagonally
striped
the
by
the
bicycle.
Parking
isn't
required
right
now,
but
it
is
shown
on
the
site.
You
know
it's
it's
on
the
plan,
so
we
just
need
to
have
it
marked
appropriately.
U
The
Dixie
Highway,
driveway
connection
and
all
Associated
alterations
outside
the
retaining
wall
are
not
a
part
of
this
approval
and
are
not
authorized,
and
so
I've
already
stopped
there
and
we'll
read
the
entire
thing
but
number
five.
The
applicants
will
provide
permits
or
approvals
from
Pinellas
County
for
the
Riverview
Avenue,
roadway
connection
from
Southwest
Florida,
Water
Management
for
storm
water
handling
and
verification
of
no
Wetland
impacts
and
from
fdot
for
the
drainage
connection,
and
so
all
that
needs
to
be
submitted
with
the
application
for
a
building
permit.
U
The
construction
shall
be
sequenced
such
that
the
retaining
wall
is
installed
and
receives.
An
approved
final
inspection
prior
to
filling
and
grading
the
site
and
initiating
vertical
Construction.
U
U
You
know
the
requirement
for
public
art
an
easement
for
the
lift
station
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
did
provide
public
notice
as
required
the
mail
notice.
We
did
receive
one
response
that
was
really
more
directed
at
the
property
to
the
South,
which
is
an
unincorporated
County,
the
the
response
that
we
got
back
we're
concerns
about
that
property.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
reviewed
this
actually
at
two
meetings
on
April
17th
and
on
May
15th
and
at
the
May
15th.
They
did
vote
unanimously
to
recommend
approval
of
of
the
resolution.
U
I
do
want
to
make
a
couple
of
notes
on
the
resolution.
The
numbering
on
the
resolution
for
the
sections
needs
to
be
updated,
just
to
be
sequential.
I
just
noticed
that
we
do
need
to
add
a
reference
in
that
we're
as
Clauses
to
the
May
15th,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
because
it
went
twice
and
then
under
the
actual
section,
for
the
conditional
use
approval
under
number.
You
know
one
two
and
three
number
under
number
one
where
it
lists
the
actual
permit
of
the
conditional
uses.
U
We
talk
about
landscape
service
establishments,
but
it
did
not
get
into
that
list
and
it
needs
to
be
added
to
it.
Just
it's
clearly
the
intent
and
we
it
was
discussed
it
just
didn't,
make
it
into
that
particular
piece
of
the
resolution.
So
if
you
do
recommend
approval,
I
would
ask
that
you
include
those
recommended
changes
by
staff
with
that
I'll,
stop
and
I'll
answer
any
questions
that
I
can.
R
Don't
have
a
question,
but
I
need
to
backtrack
for
something
that
was
not
said.
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
directed
for
go.
R
B
It's
noted.
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
Commissioners.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
for
Ms
Vincent,
the
planning
director
commissioner
kulias.
S
U
If
it's
combustibles,
I
I
I'll
defer
to
the
fire
to
the
fire
marshal
on
that.
But
if
it's
you
know
combustible
like
gasoline
and
things
like
that,
I
would
say
no.
U
T
U
T
T
So
the
of
the
three
of
the
three
buildings
you
said
that
the
parking
requirement
would
be
different,
but
it's
based
on
what
he's
doing
with
those
buildings
right.
U
It
it
is
so
he's
going
to
be
limited
to
he's,
got
it
to
be
held
to
the
limitations
of
you
know.
This
building
right
is
limited
to
wholesale
trade.
This
building's
limited
to
warehouse,
and
this
one
is
limited
to
the
service
establishments
and
light
manufacturing
and
the
calc.
The
parking
calculation
is
very
specific
based
on
those
uses
and
those
Square
footages.
T
But
the
the
business
permits
are
based
on
those
properties,
so
any
if,
if
somebody
were
to
rent
one
of
those
buildings
to
do
something,
different
they'd
still
have
to
come
and
pull
a
permit
at
the
city
right.
U
T
U
T
T
I
will
but
usually
that
logic
holds,
but
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
Anybody
else
questions
I've
got
some
questions.
If
you
don't
Ms
Vincent,
you
know
my
concern
is
making
sure
that
the
applicant
understands
what
he's
getting
into
because
I
didn't
when
we
had
our
conversation,
I
I
identified
some
things
that,
quite
frankly,
I
didn't
see
it
from
reading
the
report
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
go
through
that
briefly,
so
that
this
commission
understands
that
as
well
as
the
applicant.
B
If
you
take,
for
example,
building
one,
that's
the
wholesale
Trade
building
and,
let's
say
I,
think
it
had
five
bays
in
it.
I
may
be
wrong,
but
it
had
some
X
number
of
bays
in
it.
The
conditional
use
of
a
wholesale
trade
is
on
each
Bay,
not
the
entire
building.
For.
B
In
other
words,
if
unless
the
applicant
gets
a
business
tax
receipt
for
the
entire
building,
which
is
an
umbrella
right
kind
of
approach,
right
then-
and
if
he
doesn't
do
that,
then
each
stall
is
subject
to
the
conditional
use.
So
if
that
particular
stall
isn't
at
least
within
a
year,
they
lose
that
conditional
use.
B
B
B
The
other
thing
we
talked
about
was
that
there
is
no
phasing
on
this
I
know.
This
is
going
to
be
for
the
applicant
right
now,
there's
an
expectation
that
the
entire
site
is
built
and
then
each
building
is
going
to
require
its
own
building,
permit,
of
course,
and
all
its
own
certificate
of
occupancy
before
it
can
be
utilized.
B
U
Yeah
so
the
rate,
the
way
that
our
conditional
use
section
reads
now
is
that
so
an
approved
conditional
use,
which
is
not
yet
established
or
operational,
would
be
considered,
expired
and
must
be
reapproved
under
the
following
under
the
following
conditions.
So,
and
in
this
instance,
we're
a
building
permit
for
site,
construction
and
or
vertical
construction
is
required,
which
applies
to
this
failure
to
obtain
a
permit
within
12
months
and
to
maintain
the
permit
in
an
active
status
in
accordance
with
chapter
one
The
Florida
building
code
through
issuance
of
a
certificate
of
occupancy
or
final
inspection.
U
U
Mean
I'll
defer
to
the
city
attorney's
interpretation
on
this,
but
I
think
they
would,
because
you
know
it's
one
site.
It's
one
site
plan
I
think
he
needs
to
go
ahead
and
pull
building
permits,
site,
Construction
and
building
permits
within
a
year
for
the
all.
You
know
he
might
have
multiple
permits
and
they
might
come
in
one
two
and
three,
but
they
need
to
be
pulled
within
one
year.
Okay
and.
B
B
Then
the
third
thing
is
that
you
and
I
talked
about
to
be
clear,
was
that
this
is
another
entryway
into
the
Tarpon
Springs,
a
very
visible
corner
and
I
think
that
you
tied
off
the
issues
with
outside
storage
by
just
that
General
no
outside
storage,
and
we
went
through
a
couple
of
hypotheticals
there
and
you
felt
that
the
hypotheticals
that
I
threw
out
there
palettes
trailers
that
sort
of
thing
that
are
just
basically
stored.
There
are
part
of
that.
No
outside
storage
correct!
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
B
B
Last
call
for
comments
from
the
commission
questions
from
the
commission.
Okay,.
B
B
We
thank
you
so
dumb
the
applicant
Mr
mugro
you're,
you're
representative.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
this
application?
B
Z
B
And
and
then
the
the
concept
between
the
basically
it's
the
old
term
was
a
business
license
over
the
entire
building.
So
we
don't
play
games
with
each
individual
stall
that
would
be
maintained
by
the
owner
and
then
he
could
bring
in
and
he
doesn't
need
to
worry
about
losing
the
conditional
use.
Do
you
see
any
issue
with
that
approach?.
Z
No
okay,
not
at
all,
that's
fine.
In
fact,
we
agree
with
all
the
nine
and
now
I
think
10
conditions
that.
Y
Or
I
could
use
my
button,
so
this
is
a
lot
of
conditions
and
I
really
hope
that
you've
read
and
thoroughly
considered
everyone,
because
they're
all
going
to
have
to
go
into
play,
but
I'm
sure
you
know
that
my
concern
actually
is
stemming
from
just
general
operational
concerns
understand
a
bit
about
access
to
Dixie
Highway.
That's
got
to
be
done
at
data
lake
or
later
date,
because
it
affects
the
wetlands
and
so
forth.
Y
These
Southern
access
to
Riverside
or
Riverview
rather
there's
a
four
foot
discrepancy
in
the
height
of
properties
between
the
current
Riverview
Drive
and
where
your
property
is
going
to
be.
How
are
you
planning
to
approach
that
without
losing
those
half
a
dozen
parking
spots
in
the
end,
cutting
a
slot
into
your
into
your
I?
Don't
know
how
to
explain
it.
Z
But
you
know,
I
didn't
I
know
what
you're
saying
the
the
only
reason
we
would
ever
open
that
access
up
is
that
the
county
decided
to
to
develop
that
road,
in
which
case
I'm
sure
they'd
have
to
raise
it.
You
know
because
they
have
to
meet
the
flood
concerns
as
well,
or
my
client
decides
to
buy
one
of
the
available
properties
to
the
south
in
which
that
will
have
to
raise
and
everything
raises
and
becomes
one
property,
and
we
can
pick
up
parking
there.
Okay,.
Y
On
us,
19.,
so
I've
I
mean
another
crazy
question,
but
you,
the
kind
of
businesses
you're
talking
about
here,
typically
demand
the
use
of
trucks,
whether
it's
lawn
service
or
whether
it's
warehousing
or
whatever.
Y
Z
The
that's
you
know
that
was
something
that
D.O.T
requested,
that
we
do
in
fact
they
built
that
driveway
for
us
and
did
that
and
and
that's
kind
of
the
worst
thing
the
trend
is
going
with
DOT.
They
don't
want
everybody
to
turn
left
out
of
the
on
the
streets.
They
want
u-turns,
that's
just
the
way
it
is,
or
they
just
have
to
go
around
Dixie
Highway
and
come
around
the
long
way.
Y
Yeah
I'm,
just
you
know,
I'm
just
trying
to
bring
up
one
of
the
things
you're
going
to
have
to
consider
I
go
down,
Dixie
Highway,
all
the
time.
It's
a
bear.
Just
trying
to
turn
left
onto
Alternate
19
period,
never
mind
coming
up
there,
and
even
you
know
trying
to
approach
the
idea
that
I
gotta
have
to
have
to
do
a
U-turn.
So
you
might
end
up
with
traffic
going
all
the
way
around
Dixie
Highway,
just
to
just
to
be
able
to
turn
left.
Z
F
B
Any
other
comments
from
commission
questions.
Okay,
public
comments:
are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item
from
anybody?
That's
in
attendance,
Ms,
Wilcox.
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments
concerning
this
item.
B
Thank
you,
Ms
Vincent.
Do
you
have
any
closing
summation?
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
then
before
we
go
to
a
motion.
Does
any
commissioner
have
any
comments.
B
U
So
and
the
whereas
Clause
regarding
planning
a
zoning
board,
we
just
want
to
add
May
15th
to
that
list.
Just
so
it's
in
the,
whereas
Clauses
the
section
numbers
will
be
renumbered
sequentially,
one,
two
three
and
four
and
five.
So
that's
just
clean
up
and
then
under
what
will
be
section.
U
Three
conditional
use
approval
number
one,
we'll
add
landscape
service
establishments
to
the
list
and
we
would
add
condition
number
four
would
be
the
owner
shall
obtain
a
business
tax
receipt
for
each
individual
building
for
each
individual
building
and
obtain
and
maintain
a
business
tax.
Receipt
based
on
the
approved
uses.
B
Y
You
know
I
can't
believe
I'm
doing
this
I'm
actually
in
favor
of
of
this
particular
development,
but
it's
all
conditional
uses-
and
it's
really
interesting-
that
I'm
actually
even
entertaining
approving
something.
That's
all
conditional
uses,
because
everybody
sort
of
knows
that
I'm,
not
a
big
conditional
use
fan
anyway,
but
I
wish
you
luck
and
I
hope
it
turns
out
for
you.
Thank
you.
C
B
Point
of
privilege
we're
gonna
recess
for
10
minutes
reconvene
at
8,
42.
Y
E
B
Next
item
is
item
10,
we'll
go
back
to
special
consent
agenda.
We're
back
to
item
10
authorized
execution
of
our
agreement
with
Advent
Health
North
by
Dallas.
Wait.
K
F
B
Okay,
who's
gonna.
H
H
What
do
we
do
about
the
me?
We
always
had
our
meetings,
the
first
and
third
Tuesday.
We
changed
over
from
Mr
dagner
to
Mr
Trask
because
of
his
Oldsmar
meetings.
We
had
to
move
the
meetings
to
the
second
and
fourth,
we
had
talked
about
and
has
been
mentioned
several
times
to
move
back
to
the
first
and
the
third
meetings.
H
We
need
a
time
frame
ahead
of
time
for
advertising
for
planning
zoning
for
game
Etc,
so
we
need
at
least
two
or
three
months.
So
the
proposal
here
if
this
board
wants
to
go
forward
with
it,
is
the
moving
of
the
meetings
and
the
moving
of
the
meetings
to
the
first
and
third
Tuesday
would
begin
in
September,
2023.,
so
I'm
bringing
that
forward.
We've
talked
about
it.
B
I'm
going
to
assume
there
aren't
any
if
I
could
have
a
motion
and
a
second
concerning
this
item.
C
C
S
C
H
Course,
yeah
I'll
throw
the
Ron
and
our
attorney
I
think
we've
got
the
I
know
he's
checked,
so
he
can
confirm
if
everything's
been
cleaned
up
from
that
document
and
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
agreement
of
the
art
for
money
with
Advent
Health.
Okay,.
D
The
ARP
agreement
with
Advent
Health
was
originally
presented
on
May
9
2023
at
the
last
board
meeting.
But
there
was
some
concern
with
the
with
the
wording
and
the
item
was
deferred.
F
B
S
I
did
want
to
ask:
what
are
our
plans
now
to
fund
the
awning
for
for
the
hospital,
the
the
awning
extension?
Oh.
H
There
is
none
for
us
funding
if
they
know
that
they
have
to
take
on
that
project
themselves,
because
they
want
the
money
committed
to
the
fire
panel,
because,
obviously
that's
of
an
immediate,
immediate
danger
that
and
and
they
will
be
responsible
for
funding
the
the
awning
portion.
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah.
B
Originally,
it
was
the
one
million
we
approved
for
the
awning
and
then
they
wanted
the
fire
panel
done,
which
was
a
million
and
a
half.
They
requested
the
additional
a
million
and
a
half,
and
then
the
compromise
was
to
give
the
million
and
a
half
for
the
fire
panel
and
then
they
would
deal
with
the
awning
themselves.
Perfect.
S
B
B
Appointment
to
the
budget
advisory
committee,
same
magical,
of
course,
if
you
want
to
this,
is
an
easy
one.
Let
me
just
deal
with
it.
Basically,
we've
got
two
openings:
the
budget
advisory
committee
and
we've
got
one
application,
Ms
Hales,
so
let
me
go
to
the
public.
Do.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item?
This
is
an
appointment
to
the
budget
advisory
committee.
B
B
Ms
Wilcox:
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
Q
H
Thank
you,
I
just
want
to
say
on
this
one
I
actually
went
and
recruited
Miss
Hales
to
go.
Miss
Hales
was
on
the
committee
for
many
years.
H
Unfortunately,
our
chairman
Claire
had
the
with
the
emergency,
go
off
the
board
and
write
his
budget.
He
was
probably
the
most
experienced
one.
Miss
Hales
had
to
lead
the
board
because,
obviously
she
came
to
work
for
the
city,
but
she's
gone
back
to
the
job
they.
They
came
back
and
trumped
me
and
took
her
back
to
the
place
where
she
worked
before
so
she's,
not
working
for
the
city,
with
a
very
inexperienced
Board
of
members
and
with
our
chairman,
the
most
experienced
being
gone.
H
We
do
have
a
vice
chairman,
that's
been
on
a
long
time
and
another
member,
but
really
only
two
members
I
asked
her
at
least
if
she'd
get
through
this
budget
season,
knowing
the
budget
and
and
of
course
being
on
the
committee
for
a
long
time
and
she
agreed
to
come
on
and
and
serve
Us
and
got
a
job
to
do
so.
That's
why
her
name
is
is
in
there
and
she
can
do
it
now.
R
Move
up,
I
thought
to
move
up:
Joanne
who's,
our
alternate
one
and
Susan
Hale.
B
T
I'm
very
excited
that
Susan's
gonna
be
on
the
advisory
committee.
The
only
thing
is
she
stole
my.
T
C
S
B
B
Okay
item
12
is
the
direction
on
the
location
for
this
special
event:
hippie
Fest
city
manager
course
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
start.
H
Let
me
start:
we've:
we've
got
a
a
dilemma
with
the
hippie
Fest,
that's
coming
up
in
August
I'm.
Originally,
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
I
had
told
the
merchants
we
had
approved
the
event
for
April
at
the
Docks,
and
that
was
going
to
be
the
last
one
that
I
could
approve
because
of
the
anticipating
construction
on
the
docs.
H
They
need
to
get
started
with
the
planning
event
and
doing
it
and
they
had
some
other
locations
that
they
had
thought
they
could.
They
could
do
it
with
so
what
I
told
them
the
best
thing
to
do
before
they
put
in
their
permit
has
come
forward
to
you
and
and
they'll
come
forward
and
make
a
short
presentation
of
their
options
and
to
get
input
from
the
board
of
what
the
board
thought
for
for
the
option
would
be.
For
this
event.
H
Only
since
it's
the
it's,
the
only
one
that's
going
to
be
on
the
time
frame
where
we
have
difficulty
with,
and
then
they
come
the
next
meeting
with
a
special
event
permit,
and
we
have
that
issue
all
solved
and
not
going
to
then
that
would
be
rather
go
into
the
night
to
see
what
the
preference
of
the
board
of
and
the
only
thing
if
we
decided
to
have
them
whole
at
the
rate,
regular
docks,
location
of
and
stuff.
We
just.
H
We
just
know
ourselves
that
we
couldn't
start
the
construction
down
there
in
August,
which
the
chances
of
us
starting
is
diminishing
as
the
day
goes
by
and
as
they're
trying
to
design
redesign
the
ball,
that
that
possibility
is
a
lot
different
than
it
was
in
January
or
February
when
I
told
them
that
wasn't
an
option.
They've
also
got
an
alternative,
possibly
the
mental
problem,
but
I've
got
a
concern
about
that.
We're
negotiating
right
now
for
the
sales
deal,
which
is
a
little
difficult
back
and
forth
the
ground,
the
Sugar
Sand,
the
ground.
H
There
is
I,
don't
think
the
best
for
people
being
on
and
cut
for
the
event.
So
that
isn't
so,
there's
like
four
options
out
there,
so
I
just
want
to
discuss
it
briefly.
Try
to
get
some
input
from
the
commission
what
they
think,
so
they
have
an
idea
of
what
to
bring
back
on
the
special
event
form
next
meeting
on
the
location,
if
it's
a
one-time,
different
location
or
or
it's
to
go
ahead
and
allow
the
regular
air
the
docks
to
hold
it.
H
Obviously
all
of
them's
got
issues
so
I
just
thought
it'd
be
better
to
Hash.
It
out
now
so
could
be
solved
when
they
put
the
event
in
so.
B
AA
Our
first
location
that
we
would
like
to
have
it
moved
for
this
year
would
be
crank
park.
It
would
be
able
to
house
the
vws
and
also
all
of
our
vendors
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
really
nice
location.
B
B
H
Well,
I
think
where
we,
we
put
it
just
just
the
motion
to
proceed
with
them,
putting
the
application
you'll
vote
on
the
application
when
it
comes
to
the
next
meeting
so
to
proceed
with
going
forward
with
the
citizen.
With
the
commission's
comments
on
on
location.
B
Let
me
let
me
just
say
something
because
I,
you
know
you
and
I
had
that
conversation
with
the
Vault
thing
and
and
I
gave
it
some
more
thought
later
in
the
afternoon.
B
It's
it's
similar
to
the
the
sidewalks
around
Craig
Park
that,
for
example,
we
don't
want
to
be
doing
construction
down
there
at
in
the
location
like
the
Epiphany,
the
holidays
and
the
same
thing
and
I
would
think
it's
going
to
be
the
same
thing
with
the
the
Sponge
Docks.
We
don't
want
to
do
construction
down
there
or
at
least
start
construction,
and
then
it
get
delayed
and
it's
into
the
high
season.
B
So
my
feeling
is
even
if
we
started
if
we
could
start
till
August,
I
think
that
that
construction
is
going
to
take
it
into
the
holiday
period,
and
my
thinking
is
that
once
we
get
the
design
and
all
set
up,
I
mean
my
thinking
is:
if
we
were
smart,
we
delayed
until
after
Easter
the
following
year,
which
would
be
April
May
and
then
do
the
construction.
You
would
have
that
seven
or
eight
or
nine
months
between
then
and
the
holidays,
beginning
for.
B
H
H
Or
I
I
I
think
we
can
do
it,
but
until
we
have
the
design
that
said,
I
think,
but
that
would
be
the
the
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
lose
the
1.7
million
dollars
on
and
stuff,
but
either
way
either
way.
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
break
any
ground
anything
about
by
August
Night
the
way
it's
looking
now,
because
you
know
we
still
have
to
talk
about
the
design
with
the
commission
with
the
commission.
We
have
to
really
talk
about
this
project
because
it's
too
important
so
I'm
thinking.
H
We
need
at
least
another
even
to
talk
about
it
when
design
get
in
so
now
we're
into
July
we're
not
going
to
break
any
ground
in
August.
Now,
just
because
they're
redesigning
this
thing,
it's
got
to
come
back
to
you.
It's
got
to
be
right.
If
we're
going
to
endure
all
we're
going
to
endure
tearing
it
up
down
there,
it
has
to
be
right,
it
has
to
work
and
has
to
set
up.
H
B
Do
have
a
question
but
I'm
going
to
wait
to
hear
what
it
do
you
any
of
the
Commissioners
have
any
questions
concerning
this
matter.
Well,.
R
R
AA
R
AA
Right
I
understand
that,
but
then
when
would
when
would
you
approve
it
June
because
then
it
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
commission.
Saying
yes,
hippie
Fest
is
going
to
take
place.
Yes,
if
you
came
back
and
said,
Del
decanese
is
not
going
to
work
and
we
moved
to
Craig
Park
I
guess
by
the
end
of
June,
because
then
we
would
start
our
advertising
campaign
and
then
we
would
have
to
make
new
signs
to
hang
them.
So
everyone
in
town
would
know
where
the
new
location
would
be.
B
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
commissioners,
I
think
what
you're
saying
is,
if
there's
some
chance
that
those
sponge
stocks
aren't
available,
let's
go
ahead,
move
it
now,
rather
than
figuring
it
out
a
little
later,
because
you
need
to
have
it,
for
your
planning
is
the
one
thing
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
city
manager
and,
of
course
we
would,
we
would
have
a
discussion
as
far
as
the
timing
construction
on
this
thing,
I.
Really,
of
course,
the
grant
money
as
well.
B
My
I
mean
my
observation
is
that
in
my
senses,
that
the
hippie
Fest,
if
I'm,
if
I,
remember
correctly,
it's
a
welcomed
event
at
the
Sponge
Docks.
Is
that
right,
like.
B
By
most
people
understand
that,
but
I
mean
by
more
people
than
not
with
some
of
these
others.
The
hippie
Fest
is
more
enjoyable,
but
it's
not
exactly
a
big
profit
maker
for
you
I.
Remember
that
too
correct
right.
So
this
is
really
going
to
benefit
the
sponge
stocks,
especially
because
of
the
time
of
year
and
and
you'd
like
to
get
people
down
there,
and
it
is
a
fun
event.
I'll
be
honest,
I,
remember,
being
down
there
last
year.
B
My
feeling
is
that
unless
there's
something
that
suggests
that
we're
going
to
be
ready
to
to
break
ground-
and
this
is
a
two
or
three
month-
construction
period-
I
think
the
smarter
thing
would
be
to
wait
till
the
following
year.
If
the
grant
money
would
be
available
to
start
this
project
and
I
think
what
you're
suggesting
city
manager,
of
course,
is
that
it
may
not
matter
as
far
as
the
the
grant
money
anyway,
because
we
may
not
be
ready
to
begin
then
anyways.
H
I,
don't
think,
even
if
we
have
to
start
it
in
season,
it's
not
going
to
be
enough,
we're
not
going
to
have
a
shovel
or
bulldozers.
You
see
all
these
other
projects,
we're
not
going
to
have
that
in
ground
in
August,
maybe
it'd
be
September
October.
If
we
had
to
lose
the
money,
but
again
the
preference
would
be
now
with
the
timing.
So.
B
H
Would
be,
or
I
I
see,
almost
slim
or
none
to
them
as
whereas,
several
months
ago
it
was
definitely
going
to
be
under
construction.
Now
I
see
the
chances
I
understand,
especially
after
Monday's
briefing
of
we
still
don't
have
the
redesign
done
after
yesterday's
briefing
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
chance
in
the
world.
The
first
shovel
will
be
in
the
ground
in
August
it'd
be
set
September
October
at
the
earliest,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
avoid
that,
because
then
that
puts
us
peak
of
season
the
wrong
time.
H
If,
if
congressman
and
stuff
can
keep
that
money
alive,
which
I
think
our
indications
was,
it
could,
especially
if
we
have
a
date
we're
going
May
whatever
April
end
of
April,
whatever
we
verify
that
we
can
try,
but
that's
one
of
those
things
you
to
get
a
verification
is
is
very
difficult,
but
we'll
do
that's
why?
If
we
can't
verify
that's
why
we'd
start
it?
Yes,
sir,
we
just
have
to
do
it
during
season.
H
I
mean
we
just
have
to
if
we
got
to
put
the
shovels
in
the
ground
in
in
October
or
lose
1.7
million
dollars
for
the
project
goes
under.
If
we
don't
do
that,
so
we
just
have
to
bite
the
bullet
and
it's
going
to
be,
but
I
think
I
I,
think
the
chance
of
us
losing
the
money
is
also
slim
unless
there's
some
disaster
and
they,
the
government,
wants
to
pull
all
their
money
back
to
do
other
things.
The.
H
H
Think
I
think
the
state
through
fed
is
one
of
those
feds
the
state
to
US
money,
but
with
all
the
other
delays
of
projects
around
the
state
and
come
with
the
supply
demand
stuff.
Every
project
is
backlogged
way
back
nobody's
getting
things
done
on
time
because
of
the
situation,
so
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
we're
in
a
position
to
to
lose
the.
T
Money
I
make
a
motion.
We
direct
approved
direction
to
have
it
on
the
Sponge
Docks.
Y
AB
Good
evening
Peter
Lucas
514,
Ashland
Avenue
being
that
I
only
have
two
minutes,
I,
don't
know
why
you
guys
are
making
it
so
complicated.
If
there's
a
risk
of
all
this
potential
construction
and
money
being
lost,
make
it
easy.
Craig
Park
you've
got
more
parking
available
down
there
with
the
Court
Street
lot
and
Downtown
parking.
It
will
draw
people,
and
if
you
want
people
down
to
the
sponge,
Dock
set
up
the
trolley
to
make
a
route
between
the
docks
and
Craig
Park.
That
way
they
can
get
on
with
their
planning.
AB
AB
AB
You
can
use
Court
Street,
you
can
even
close
off
Lemon
Street
if
you
need
to
by
the
library
there's
other
options
available,
but
I
think
defense
trying
to
continue
to
put
it
down
in
the
docks
when
you
maybe
have
some
issues
potentially
coming
up,
use
your
alternative,
let
them
move
forward
and
then
you
can
move
forward.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
comments,
Ms
Wilcox.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
commission
comments,
if
not,
then
Ms
Rodriguez
any
last
thoughts?
Okay,
Mr,
commissioner
coulianos,
please
with.
T
B
Y
A
S
I,
just
I
do
want
to
thank
the
merchant
Association
that
I
they've
had
my
my
thoughts
on
how
I
feel
about
just
trying
to
help
out
the
Sponge
Docks
during
the
summer.
Time
and
I
know
that
you
know
with
this
construction
and
stuff.
It
was
a
concern
of
theirs,
but
I
think
it's
as
important
as
possible
to
try
to
keep
it
down
at
the
Sponge
Docks
with
to
help
out
with
those
businesses
in
the
summer
months
and
if
construction,
pops
up-
and
you
know
we
have
to
get
it
done
between
September
and
November.
S
Maybe
that's
something
we
need
to
do.
You
know
we
might
lose
a
month
of
busy
season,
but
it's
something
we
got
to
get
done
and
consider
or
if
we
push
it
back
towards
the
spring
of
next
year,
that's
something
as
well,
but
it
the
businesses
down.
There
are
really
concerned
with
mine
and
and
plus
the
atmosphere.
The
atmosphere
is
pretty
cool
there
at
the
Sponge
Docks
with.
B
You,
okay,
I.
Y
Have
a
comment
as
well:
I
I,
fully
agree
with
commissioner
Julius
I
think,
regardless
of
everything
he
said,
I
we're
going
to
be
doing
construction
in
that
area.
Eventually,
this
might
just
give
them
another
economic
boost.
You
know,
however
big
it
is
before
all
that
happens,
because
when
we
start
construction,
they're
going
to
lose
business
some
way
somehow
yeah
well.
A
B
C
S
C
C
R
B
H
Obviously,
a
big
concern,
as
we
know
now
is,
is
traffic
enforcement.
So
we
had
an
opportunity
with
some
items
coming
off
this
agenda,
which
we
didn't
expect
to
give
a
short
president.
We've
got
a
team,
we've
got
a
problem-solving
team,
there's
a
methods
for
Citizens
or
neighborhoods
individual
citizens,
people
on
the
street
to
have
a
traffic
issue
studied
looked
at
and
it's
an
award-winning
program
as
you
hear
from
Chief
young
we've
won
awards
in
the
past
for
it
and
we
just
won
a
new
one
for
it.
H
So
I
thought
it
was
a
good
time
since
it's
a
heavy
issue
on
social
media
and
a
heavy
issue
around
that.
He
tells
you
the
process
that
we
have
to
go
forward
and
how
complaints
of
whatever
type
speeding
any
kind
of
traffic
enforcement
type
of
thing,
how
it's
handled,
how
it's
studied
and
where
the
citizens
should
go
when
they
have
these
issues.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
to
give
the
presentation
I.
AC
Appreciate
it
city
manager,
Chief,
Jeff,
young
Police,
Department,
mayor
Vice,
mayor
Board
of
Commissioners.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
to
talk
about
our
traffic
enforcement.
Just
like
city
managers
said
you
know
when
the
complaints
come
in,
whether
it's
to
the
Commissioners
directly
or
through
city
hall
or
to
the
police
department.
We
funnel
everything
through
our
department,
I'm
gonna
kind
of
go
through
a
PowerPoint
and
talk
about
what
we
do
with
everything.
AC
AC
You
can
click
it
the
important
Concepts
and
stuff
how
we
do
it
proactive,
reactive
and
responsive
proactive.
You
see
us
out
there
in
our
patrol
cars,
we're
out
there
actively
enforcing
it
as
time
permits.
Reactive
will
gain,
get
complaints
coming
into
the
police
department
and
again
through
many
different
Avenues
to
how
we're
getting
to
it
and
the
responsive
side
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
how
we
collect
our
data.
AC
AC
AC
Some
of
the
ways
that
we
we
approach
this
and
you'll
see
our
over
traffic
enforcement.
Again,
our
cars
are
out
there
daily
patrolling
covert
traffic
enforcement.
AC
That's
when
you
don't
see
us
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
see
the
lights
in
the
rear
view,
mirror
a
mannequin
car,
Message,
Board,
speed,
trailers
and
I'm
going
to
get
go
through
all
of
these
things
and
devices
that
we
use
to
get
the
message
out
there
plus
collecting
data,
our
spy
box,
social
media,
education,
the
action
team
and
the
safety
reviews
and
recommendations,
and
that's
really
where
it
all
culminates
and
comes
together,
and
we
get
that
information
to
the
city
manager
or
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
depending
on
what
purview
would
fall
under,
communicate
our
focused
enforcement
response
to
complaints.
AC
Again
we
get
the
complaints
come
in
we're
going
to
see
what
the
what
it
entails.
If
it's
say,
if
it's
something
like
recently,
you
know
we
we
worked
on
a
project
on
Grand,
Boulevard
officer.
Boone
worked
on
it.
We
had
identified
that
through
the
community
there
was
a
problem
with
vehicles
traffic
there,
some
crashes
and
data
that
supported
it.
We
did
a
long
study
with
that
put
together
a
traffic
plan
officer
Boone
puts
that
together,
I
review
it
with
him.
If
I.
AC
If
I,
like
what
I
see
there
I'll
send
my
recommendation
over
to
the
city
manager
who,
if
it's
under
his
purview,
he'll
approve
it
and
we'll
move
forward
with
work
orders
on
city
streets
to
do
plans
like
we
did
out
there
with
the
stop
signs
at
the
intersection
they're,
making
a
three-way
stop
sign
and
putting
out
variable
message,
boards
and
other
messages
out
to
to
the
public
so
go
ahead
to
the
next
one
to
him,
some
of
the
ones.
AC
What
we'll
do
in-house
when
we
get
the
complaints
that
are
just
speeding
in
general
and
things
of
that
nature,
a
major
Trail
puts
out
focused
enforcement
efforts
and
stuff
through
emails,
those
go
out
almost
daily
and
it's
not
just
for
traffic.
But
for
all
you
know,
quality
of
life
issues
through
the
city
and
any
other
complaints
that
we're
dealing
with
and
he'll
send
that
out.
He'll
get
responses
back
from
the
officers
as
well.
You
can
go
to
the
next
one
officer.
AC
Boone
will
collect
that
data
too
and
send
it
out
if
it's
coming
through
his
office
through
our
crime
prevention
office,
and
we
try
to
get
the
information
out
to
the
officers
in
a
timely
manner
to
go
out
and
do
focused
enforcement.
We
call
it
problem,
oriented
policing,
directive,
patrols,
area
checks
and
it
comes
under
different
terms
of
what
we're
trying
to
look
and
accomplish
there.
AC
The
officers
will
give
feedback
directly
back
to
the
major
or
or
officer
Boone.
This
one
here
was
from
officer
Patton.
He
did
six
put
problem-oriented
policings.
It's
one
stop
sign
citation
five
warnings
issued
only
one
traffic
violation
warning
issued
since
flashing
lights
were
installed.
This
was
a
project
when
we
were
starting
to
see
these
issues
over
on
mirrors
Boulevard
with
the
new
extension
working
on
that,
and
we
got
those
flashing
lights
on
the
stop
signs,
because
people
just
weren't
paying
attention
to
them
that
helped
mitigate
it.
AC
After
the
complaints
that
we
received,
we
looked
at
it
with
the
focused
enforcement
and
that's
just
one
example
of
where
we
came
up
with
a
solution
to
it,
and
it
had
great
effect
over
there
in
that
area
into
again,
when
we
look
at
our
information,
we
try
to
look
at
the
data
that
we're
collecting
major
troll
or
our
crime.
Analysts
will
run
reports
for
us,
and
here
you
can
see
all
the
problem
oriented
policing
things
for
a
certain
time
period.
AC
We
can
run
it
for
whatever
period
we
want
to
look
at
and
we
make
sure
that
we're
following
up
on
the
traffic
complaints
that
we
see
and
hear
throughout
the
community
and
try
to
make
sure
that
they're
still
being
looked
at
and
and
it's
just
a
more
example
of
the
areas
go
on
to
the
next
one,
some
of
the
other
education.
We
use
our
Facebook
post
a
lot
to
put
out
information
to
the
public
on
issues
you
can
see
when
traffic
accidents
up
on
19
or
something
of
that
nature.
AC
The
one
in
the
middle
I
believe
is
the
information
on
the
stop
signs
when
it
got
installed
over
on
Grand
Boulevard
I
think
it
was,
and
then
public
events.
You
know
we
have
our
tents
out
there
and
our
action
teams
are
always
out
there
and
providing
information
to
the
public
and
getting
anything
out
for
traffic
safety
that
we
can
to
them.
AC
So
some
of
the
tools
that
we
use
and
you'll
see
these
things
out
there.
The
one
on
the
left
is
a
speed
trailer,
so
that
gives
instant
feedback
to
the
people
that
are
out
there.
So
when
we
get
the
complaint
into
the
from
the
community,
we'll
start
targeting
it
with
different
things,
one
of
the
first
things
officer,
Boone
will
do
is
put
out
the
speed
trailer
to
bring
awareness
to
people
most.
AC
Some
people
may
not
even
realize
when
they're
driving
down
the
street
what
their
speed
is
they're
not
paying
attention
this
kind
of
gives
them
instant
feedback.
It
also
collects
data
for
us,
and
this
is
what
we'll
use
and
I'm
going
to
show
you.
The
reports
that
these
generate
people
say
well
that
but
people
slow
down
on
on
something
like
that,
I'm
like
well
we're
just
trying
to
collect
data.
We
have
other
ways
of
getting
covert
data.
AC
AC
We
still
use
it
and
our
newer
solar
spy
box
will
put
these
out
and
there's
actually
a
radar
unit
in
there,
and
we
can
collect
data
from
cars
that
are
approaching
the
Spy
box
and
I
think
they
both
could
do
going
away
as
well
right,
correct,
correct.
So
we'll
get
that
data
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
in
one
of
the
slides.
What
what
the
data
that
we
collect
looks
like
a
mannequin
car,
I'm
sure
everybody's
seen
that
out
there
and
people
start
breaking
when
they
see
the
mannequin
car
in
there.
AC
When
we
first
got
that
somebody
actually
called
the
police
thinking
that
somebody
was
sleeping
in
the
car
and
I
said
no,
it's
a
dummy.
She
said:
I,
don't
care
how
stupid
the
officer
is,
but
they're
sleeping
in
a
car
I
said
no,
it's
actually
a
mannequin,
no
arms,
no
legs,
it's
just
a
mannequin.
So
so
this
is
the.
This
is
what
we
really
utilized
in
our
our
profession
to
try
to
Target.
When
we
get
the
complaints
in
a
community
about
traffic.
You
know
everybody
talks,
but
I
always
tell
them
the
same
thing.
AC
The
worst
traffic
problem
is
in
front
of
your
house
because
that's
what
we
look
at
every
day,
we're
out
there
and
that's
what
mostly
concerns
us
and
then
I
turn
that
and
I
say,
and
if
everybody
drove
like
they
want
how
everybody
driving
in
front
of
their
own
house
everywhere
else.
We
wouldn't
have
traffic
problems,
so
everybody
just
drive
the
way.
AC
You
want
everybody
driving
in
front
of
your
own
house,
and
we
wouldn't
have
to
have
this
conversation
tonight,
but
the
data
that
we
collect
and
I'm
going
to
go
into
the
manual
and
uniform
traffic
control
device.
You'll
hear
it
often
said
mutcd
for
those
of
you
that
sit
on
some
of
the
county-wide
planning.
AC
That
term
comes
up
a
lot,
because
it's
a
manual
that
everybody
throughout
the
state
and
country
uses
to
have
a
a
guideline
for
what
traffic
devices
can
be
used,
how
they
should
be
put
up
and
what
it
takes
to
get
one
put
up.
It's
not
just
hey.
We
should
have
a
stop
sign
here.
You
don't
just
put
up,
stop
signs
for
the
sake
of
putting
up,
stop
signs.
AC
Does
the
speed
reach
a
certain
percent
over
the
85th
percentile
and
that's
what
officer
Boone
will
look
at
and
trying
to
make
recommendations
of
of
speed
control?
Everybody
will
say:
oh
well,
you
know
my
speed
limit's
30
miles
an
hour
in
here.
We
should
lower
it
to
25.
I,
say
well,
the
people
doing
30
miles
an
hour.
Aren't
your
problem.
AC
The
people
doing
40,
45
and
50
of
that
area
problem
and
dropping
it
down
five
miles.
An
hour
is
not
going
to
slow
them
down
the
people
that
we're
doing
30
will
slow
down
to
25,
but
we'll
get
out
there
and
Target
the
enforcement
and
we'll
write
the
tickets
on
those
that
are
doing
the
40
and
45
and
we'll
use
this
data
right
here,
because
it
gives
us
time
of
day
speed
of
vehicle
the
amount
of
vehicles
too.
So
you
know
we
may
get
a
high
Target
time
at
two
o'clock.
AC
In
the
morning
we
got
20
Vehicles,
going
through
at
45
miles
an
hour.
Now,
that's
something
we
can
Target
from
an
enforcement
perspective
good
out
on.
If
you
ever
go
on
to
our
website,
I
put
out
a
monthly
report
for
all
our
crime
statistics
in
the
city
that
we
do
and
on
the
last
page
of
it
has
the
traffic
crash
analysis
for
the
city.
You
can
see
up
there
on
the
type.
This
is
for
this.
One
I
think
is
the
annual
report
from
2022,
I
believe
or
2021..
AC
Excuse
me
a
one
month,
statistical
dad
at
62
crashes
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
for
the
one
month,
and
then
it
gives
you
the
locations
in
priority
order
of
where
they're
they're
happening
and
I
can
tell
you,
without
even
looking
all
the
time
it's
going
to
be
on
US
19,
US,
19
and
classmen
U.S,
19,
Tarpon,
Avenue,
US,
19,
MLK,
US,
19
and
Beckett
way
are
always
if
they're,
not
the
top
five
they're,
the
top
six
seven,
and
you
know
we'll
Target
our
resources
on
those
areas,
because
that's
where
life
is
lost,
you
know
and
we
we
lose
a
lot
of
life.
AC
Unfortunately,
on
US
19
is
a
dangerous
road
throughout
the
state.
It
has
a
national
reputation
for
it
and
everybody
sees
it
and
knows
that.
So
the
data
here
supports
that
we
do
do
a
lot
of
traffic
enforcement
during
that
one
month.
It
says
a
hundred
and
was
that
193.
AC
Again.
That's
just
the
breakdown
of
the
citations
that
we
talked
about
over
the
the
the
full
year
was
694
accidents
for
the
whole
year.
We
wrote
1646
tickets
in
that
year
and
that
was
for
2021
Tom
20
20
21..
AC
So
you
know
you
could
see.
The
number
of
accents
were
averaging,
probably
right,
around
50
plus
accidents
a
month
throughout
the
city
manual
on
uniform
track
traffic
control
device.
This
is
the
the
Bible
for
traffic
enforcement
and
signage.
How
a
road
gets
designed
the
markings
on
the
roadway.
AC
All
of
those
things,
the
roadway
safety
improvements,
chapter
18
of
our
city
ordinance,
outlines
what
we
can
do
and
how
we
can
do
it
if
it's
in
the
city,
manager's,
purview
or
if
it
needs
to
come
to
this
board
here,
so
we'll
look
at
state
law
requirements
again.
Any
roadway
that
does
not
have
a
sign
is
30
miles
per
hour
per
state
statute.
AC
So,
just
you
know,
everybody
always
wonders.
What's
what's
the
speed
limit
here?
Well,
if
it's
not
marked
it's
30
miles
an
hour
in
a
neighborhood
in
a
residential
area,
traffic
studies,
we
I
showed
you
what
those
were
about:
the
mutcd
guidelines,
our
enforcement
and
education.
They
work
hand
in
hand
with
addressing
the
issues.
I,
don't
think
that
you
could
do
one
without
the
other.
You
know
just
talking
about
it,
doesn't
do
any
good
and
just
enforcing
doesn't
do
any
good.
AC
You
have
to
have
a
combination
of
both
State
roadways
and
and
County
roadways
in
our
city.
You
know
you
drive
around
you're,
going
to
drive
across
a
lot
of
County
roadways,
City,
Road
and
state
roadways,
and
we
all
have
to
work
together.
So
people
call
in
complaints
if
it's
traffic
lights,
we're
calling
down
the
signal
shop
will
work
for
them
if
they're
out
and
the
county
signal
shop
will
come
up,
but
timing
and
stuff
I.
AC
You
know
I
get
a
lot
of
complaints
and
we've
been
dealing
with
fdot
for
many
years
for
trying
to
get
a
left-hand
turn
arrow
coming
off
of
dodecanese
to
head
north
onto
alternate
19.
that
keeps
getting
denied
from
it.
We
still
keep
it
on
there.
They
have
a
five-year
plan
that
they
work
with
through
fdot
for
all
state
roads
and
we're
continuously
harping
on
that
one.
The
new
mirrors
extension
out
onto
Alternate
19
to
make
a
left-hand
turn.
We
know
we
want
that
green
arrow
too,
but
you
know
we
keep
getting
denied
on
that.
AC
One
Tarpon
Avenue
heading
eastbound
coming
up
off
the
Bayou
to
make
a
left
and
head
north
on
there.
Yeah
we've
been
asked
asking
for
that
green
arrow
there
as
well.
This
information
gets
passed
on
to
the
state.
Tony
keeps
on
that
as
well.
You
know
and
we
try
to
keep
up
and
any
information
that
we
can
can
get
to
them.
We
push
that
along
too
and
the
complaints
we
definitely
forward.
Those
on
as
well
I
did
want
to
talk
about
the
county
things
too.
Again.
We
work
great
with
the
county
here.
AC
Our
our
public
works
department,
Tony,
minello
and
and
Tom
fungen's
crew
worked
very
well
with
Tony
Boone,
just
like
on
the
one
over
on
the
corner
of
Orange
Spring
area
there
we
were
getting
a
lot
of
complaints
needing
for
making
safe
crosswalks
over
there
and
we
had
to
implement
that
in
kind
of
phases
and
stuff,
and
that
was
a
plan.
Tony
came
up
working
with
Tony
manello
and
the
county
and
saying
okay
we're
going
to
put
out
information.
AC
It
was
all
over
our
Facebook
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
first
and
we
put
out
the
signage
the
Marquee
boards
were
going
in
we're
putting
up
stop
signs
before
we
can
put
in
the
crosswalks
there.
So
we
kind
of
Step
that
into
it
to
get
it
there
and
that's
how
we
do
this
to
work,
to
make
it
safe
for
everybody
and
working
together
with
our
other
partners
in
it
calls
for
service
prioritization.
You
know
that
that's
a
primary
key
for
us
in
law
enforcement
we're
going
to
prioritize
our
calls
traffic
enforcement.
AC
When
we're
we're
available,
we
can
get
to
it.
We
do
it
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
there
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
I
tell
people
I
can't
enfor
get
the
officers
out
there
for
that
long.
But
if
you
give
me
a
like
hey
during
four
o'clock
every
day,
there's
a
red
Camaro
that
comes
through
here
I
can
Target
them
and
we
can
get
enforcement
out
there
but
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
AC
That's
what
we
use
the
statistical
data
for
we
go
out
there
and
collect
that,
and
then
we
go
out
there
and
try
to
have
a
bigger
impact
based
on
information
that
we
collect
and
we
can
Target
times
and
and
peak
hours
for
for
speeding
and
or
volume
of
vehicles,
personnel
and
Staffing
I
went
through
that
and
budgeting
I,
don't
just
mean
Police
Department
budget
and
officers
going
out
there,
but
it's
expensive
to
put
up
signs
it's
expensive
to
put
on
roadway
markings
or
anything
else,
that's
out
there.
AC
So
these
are
all
things
that
play
into
traffic
enforcement
and
safety
for
our
city
once
the
plan
comes
forward
like
I
said,
and
if
it
doesn't,
if
it's
out
on
a
purview
of
the
city
manager,
to
do
it's
something
that
we
would
bring
forward
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
for
their
approval
and
that's
pretty
much
it
for
that
presentation.
If.
AC
Presentation:
I'm.
Sorry,
there
is
one
thing
too
I
forgot
to
add:
I
I
did
give
a
letter
as
a
backup
here,
I
just
wanted
to
read
one
one
paragraph
off
this,
and
this
is
what
the
city
manager
was
talking
about,
where
we
do
get
a
lot
of
awards
for
our
our
traffic
and
stuff,
and
it's
been
going
on
since
he
was.
The
chief
of
police.
AC
I
was
at
his
admin
Sergeant
at
the
time,
and
we
actually
won
a
national
award
for
it
and
we
were
flown
out
to
Los
Angeles
to
receive
that
traffic
award
and
it's
been
Progressive
every
year
we've
been
getting
Awards,
but
I
just
received
this
one
on
May
6.
I'm,
just
going
to
read
the
first
paragraph:
dear
Chief,
young,
the
Florida
law
enforcement
liaison,
Traffic
Safety
challenge,
application
reviews
are
complete
and
the
results
are
in
on
behalf
of
the
Florida
law
enforcement
liaison
program
and
the
Florida
Department
of
Transportation.
AC
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
participating
in
the
traffic
safety
challenge.
Personally,
your
efforts
in
developing
and
implementing
a
comprehensive
traffic
safety
program
should
make
a
significant
and
positive
impact
in
your
community
by
reducing
traffic
related
crashes,
injuries
and
fat
fatalities.
You
are
receiving
this
letter
because
your
agency
placed
within
the
top
three
rankings
based
on
your
agency
size
category
in
the
Florida
law
enforcement
liaison,
Traffic,
Safety,
Challenge
and
so
officer.
B
L
I
do
David
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
Georgia
Avenue,
Palm
Harbor,
the
Pinellas
County
Commission
has
been
talking
about
discussing
putting
in
cameras
in
the
school
zones
where
a
speeder
would
receive
a
warning
or
two
warnings,
and
then
a
ticket
would
apply
after
receiving
a
series
of
warnings.
Should
they
be
speeding
in
the
school
zone.
L
I
kind
of
took
my
thoughts
into
thinking
with
as
much
technology
as
we
have
today
and
even
this
morning,
I
caught
myself
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning
I'm
heading
over
to
a
meeting
in
Tampa
and
I,
caught
myself
in
a
school
zone
not
doing
15
miles
an
hour.
So
I
was
25
miles
an
hour
in
a
school
zone.
Not
realizing
I
was
in
a
school
zone.
How
far
out,
do
you
think
that
maybe
our
cell
phones
using
artificial
intelligence?
L
If
you
will
our
school,
our
cell
phones
would
alert
us
that
we're
in
a
school
zone
should
we
not
I,
wasn't
aware,
you
know
I,
just
kind
of
was
in
a
but
I
think
an
application
on
our
cell
phones
could
say:
beep
beep,
beep,
beep,
beep
you're
in
a
school
zone,
you're
speeding
and
because
the
objective
is
not
to
give
a
ticket.
The
objective
is
not
to
run
over
children
and
the
objective
is
not
to
be
speeding
in
an
area.
L
Should
you
be
unaware
that
you
know
this
speed
may
have
dropped
from
a
35
to
a
25
or
or
something
like
that.
The
cell
phone
technology
would
be
ideal
to
remind
us
that
hey
wake
up,
you're,
speeding,
I
thought.
That
would
be
something
maybe
we
could
implement
or
have
an
app
on
the
cell
phone.
For
that.
Thank
you.
AC
Well,
the
the
legislative
legislation
just
passed,
a
new
state
statute
for
the
cameras
in
the
school
zones
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
referring
to
at
the
county.
As
far
as
that
app
goes.
If
I
could
invent
something
like
that,
I
would
and.
AC
AC
And,
and
also
just
for
clarification,
cell
phones
are
not
allowed
to
be
used
in
the
school
zone.
B
All
right
are
there
any
other
public
comments.
B
Ms
Wilcox.
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
Q
AB
Good
evening,
gentlemen,
Peter,
like
514
Ashland
Avenue,
thank
you,
Chief
young,
that
was
very
informative
and
we
learned
some
new
things.
I
do
have
to
say
the
things
the
stop
signs
you
put
at
Grand
and
read
for
traffic
enforcement
has
been
working,
although
some
people
are
just
getting
used
to
it
now.
A
couple
of
things
I
would
like
to
offer
as
a
suggestion.
I've
mentioned
this
before,
when
discussions
have
come
up
about
extending
or
opening
up
discs
and
roads
of
people
down
it.
AB
What
is
it
Woodbridge
and
a
long
distance
on
the
South
Side
complain
about
the
people
already.
Speeding
and
I've
mentioned
this
before
that
portion
of
distant
road
is
a
city.
Road
I
do
not
believe
it's
a
county
road,
but
even
if
it
is,
maybe
you
can
work
with
the
county,
but
you
could
put
a
stop
sign
at
the
Shady
Hollow
and
also
at
eyes.
Those
are
like
intermediate
points
that
would
break
up
the
traffic
flow,
such
that
you
wouldn't
have
people
going,
40,
45
or
whatever
along
that
way,
and
also
for
the
Commissioners.
AB
It
was
mentioned
that
some
of
these
aspects-
of
coordinating
with
the
other
municipalities
and
or
actually
with
the
state
agencies,
to
get
turn
signals
here
in
Tarpon,
whether
it's
a
left
turn
out
of
Tarpon
Avenue
in
Pinellas
or
same
thing,
at
Tarpon,
Avenue
and
MLK,
and
and
a
question
MLK
and
Pinellas
and
Pinellas
and
mirrors.
AB
This
is
where
you
guys
can
put
a
resolution
or
something
and
send
it
to
whoever's
at
the
D.O.T,
urging
them
to
take
action.
Send
it
to
your
friends
up
in
Tallahassee.
This
is
where,
as
a
policy
board,
you
can
put
a
policy
together
to
Lobby
for
these
types
of
changes.
So
you
don't
have
to
just
wait
for
the
city
manager
and
the
chief
to
have
stuff
come
down
the
pipe
you
all
can
be
proactive
in
that
aspect.
So
I
would
recommend.
A
AB
Thank
you,
Chief
young,
and
all
your
officers
for
putting
all
this
time
together
and
I
think
in
the
end,
we'll
all
reap
the
benefit.
Thank
you.
T
AC
Not
off
of
that,
no,
you
can't
do
that.
An
officer
has
to
observe
a
traffic
violation.
We
can't
write
a
ticket
now
you
can.
You
know
red
light
cameras
and
stuff,
there's
an
ordinance
or
state
statute
for
that
that
permits
it
again.
It's
not
a
moving
violation
that
they're
getting
it's
actually
like
a
citation
from
the
just
a
civil
infraction
and.
T
Then
the
lights
yeah,
it
does
get
frustrating.
There's
there's
a
few
spots
in
town.
Where
there's
you.
AC
Let
us
know
where
the
complaint
is
we'll
go
out
and
observe
it
for
a
while
and
then
we'll
put
those
if
that
information
down
the
signal
shop,
who
will
try
to
coordinate
any
traffic
light
signalization.
T
AC
T
I
was
thinking
orange
and
Pinellas
again.
AC
AC
Says
I
don't
know
on
that
particular
one
I
know
on
US
19,
most
of
their
intersections
are
monitored
by
the
county
signal
shop
there
they're
down
in
the
big
building
and
they
have
cameras.
T
And
then
just
to
comment
that
officer
Boone,
you
know
he
gets
all
kinds
of
compliments,
so
we
don't
need
to
make
his
head
any
bigger,
but
Chief
you're
a
blessing
to
this
town
and
I'm
just
really
happy
to
to
work
with
you.
I
just
felt
like
saying.
T
F
D
R
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
I'm,
so
proud
to
be
living
here
and
being
protected
by
all
you
and
your
forces.
I
I
think
you
do
a
great
job.
I
think
you
do
a
great
job,
the
everybody
that
you
have
working
for
you
and
it's
just
an
amazing.
R
You
know,
town
to
be
in
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
it
and
also
I,
don't
know
who
did
this,
but
there
was
a
around
the
crummer
Bayou
just
recently
there
was
a
big
like
a
rut,
probably
from
the
trailers
that
were
going
off
the
side
of
the
road
there
yeah
and
it
was
just
filled
and
it
I
don't
know
who
was
responsible,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
for
to
thank
whoever
did
it
because
it
was
a
good
place
for
somebody
to
go
off
the
road
you.
AC
S
You
know,
first
on
the
scene
to
check
out
some
spots,
and
you
know
as
Chief
knows
as
well:
it's
there's
certain
residents
and
and
their
parts
of
the
neighborhoods
where
they
make
these
complaints
and
they
get
some
stuff
dumped
through
crosswalks
or
or
stop
signs
and
stuff
which
we
don't
have
that
control
and
so
police
department
does
a
great
job
with
that
and
as
as
we
get
them
in
we'll
send
them
in,
and
you
actually
brought
up
one
which
I
got
several
requests
from
and
I'm
happy.
S
You
put
that
on
the
record,
so
I
could
share
that
with
them
again
here
in
the
future
and
say:
hey
it's
not!
All
of
us.
That's
make
the
decisions
with
a
lot
of
the
traffic
signals.
AC
B
B
They
understand
the
the
challenge
that
you
face
and
also
the
complexity
of
the
the
problem,
because
you
can't
be
everywhere
in
any
at
every
time
and
there's
some
areas
that
are
more
problematic
than
others,
although
in
a
particular
instant
that,
like
you
said
in
front
of
that
home
or
within
that,
neighborhood
is
where
the
problem
is,
then
you
may
not
see
it
again
for
another
three
or
four
days
and
and
then
but
elsewhere.
There's
it's
a
continuous
problem,
so
you
do
a
terrific
job
for
limited
resources.
I
know
I
wish
we
could
get
more
officers.
B
B
That
ends
the
the
agenda
for
this
evening,
I'm
going
to
go
to
board
and
staff
comments,
Chief
young,
anything
new,
no
comments:
okay,
Mr,
Salzman;
anything
no.
H
Just
want
to
note
I
left
something
on
your
desk
of
a
document
I'm
signing
we're
requested
by
the
Tampa
Bay
Regional
planning,
Council
I'm
sure
vice
mayor
Lund's
been
involved
with
this
about
requesting
local
governments
to
be
involved
in
the
climate
pollution
reduction,
Grant
planning
grants
program
and
they
needed
letters
of
commitments
from
cities
by
Friday
I
showed
I
gave
you
a
copy
of
what
I'm
citing
the
commitment
we
met
with
the
sustainability.
It's
a
lot
of
the
stuff
we're
doing
with
our
sustainability
plan
now.
H
So
it's
not
a
lot
to
extra
work
at
this
point.
Working
on
this
is
going
to
give
us
some
opportunity
to
see
some
grants
to
the
Future.
So
it's
not
a
big
commitment,
it's
just
a
commitment
of
time
and
effort
and
a
lot
of
it
we're
already
doing
with
our
sustainability
plan.
So
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
what
I
was
signing,
which
I
have
the
ability
to
sign
this.
Just
saying:
hey
we're
going
to
work
with
you
partner,
go
to
your
meetings
and
that
sort
of
things
and
again
we're
doing
it
now.
H
So
it's
not
it's
not
we
I
know
all
you
know
how
much
we're
strapped
from
the
different
departments,
but
but
this
is
something
we're
presently
doing
now.
Our
sustainability
is
officer
person
doing
so
we're
glad
to
get
involved
and
be
at
the
front
of
the
line
when
the
money
comes
in
because
you
see
Clearwater,
Dunedin
Largo
is,
and
we
don't
want
them
with
their
hand
farther
for
their
money
than
we
are.
H
We
want
that
hand
right
with
them
and
stuff,
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
that
to
look
over
and
you
can
call
Reeves
sustainability
and
talk
more
in
depth
about
it.
I
just
wanted
you
to
see
the
information
when
I
was
signing.
Thank
you.
B
T
A
couple
weeks
ago
we
went
down
to
forward
Pinellas
commissioner
Eisner
vice
mayor.
Were
there
and
vice
mayor
made
a
great
presentation
for
Tarpon.
Unfortunately,
the
the
tea
leaves
don't
look
good
based
on
the
comments
we
heard,
but
you
know-
and
he
made
a
great
point
about
our
geography.
T
A
T
No,
no
seminal
Pinellas,
Park,
Largo
Clearwater,
even
Dunedin,
okay
and
I
other
than
if
there's
not
a
sign
there.
I,
don't
know
where
the
heck
I'm
at,
because
they
all
look
the
same.
But
you
know
when
you
drive
into
Tarpon
Springs
we've
got
character.
We've
got
the
the
best
police
force
in
the
area
they
can,
even
if
they
don't
accept
us
into
that.
T
T
F
H
R
B
Y
I
only
have
one
thing
to
say
that
I
keep
being
negligent
about
lately.
I
have
a
a
friend
that
lives
in
Greece
Richard
Beckel
that
watches
every
minute
of
every
session
that
we
have
that's
on.
Youtube
he's
been
most
consistent
since
he
left
Tarpon
Springs
he's
from
Tarpon
Springs,
so
I
he
hasn't
been
feeling
well
later.
Lately
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Richard
hope,
you're
feeling
better
and
if
you're
not
get
well
soon,.
S
Yeah
Pinellas
numbers.
We
hit
him
with
some
facts
that
were
just
incredible
staggering
compared
to
all
these
other
counties,
and
you
know
they
form
their
seats,
the
same
way
with
the
same
laws
that
were
you
know
we
could
in
to
see
that
you
know
we're
not
getting
that
supported.
You
know
it's
okay,
but
when
they
started
trying
to
put
a
you
know
a
major
highway
thrill
again
in
town,
then
we're
gonna
wish
we
had
that
seat.
S
H
I
just
want
to
tell
y'all,
obviously
I'm
the
old
dog
been
around
here
45
years
and
stuff,
follow
you
and
what
you
did
down
there
made
inroads
of
what
we
have
been.
It's
probably
offensive
not
to
say
red,
hips
Jefferson.
Whatever
we've
been
the
Forgotten
person
for
all
45
years,
we
haven't
got
our
due.
This
was
the
closest
we
got
in
a
fight
with
down
there
and
we
didn't
have
a
chip
to
fix.
Was
in
it's
an
old
trick
in
government
and
stuff
that
you
have
three
options.
You
make
the
two
options
undesirable.
H
That
third
option
was
an
absolute
Abomination
should
have
been
in
there,
but
they
know
it's
going
to
be
out
the
second
option
which
we
were
in.
They
throw
a
bunch
of
other
people
in
to
muddy
it
up,
so
it
wouldn't
go
so
obviously
they
doctored
it
and
I
I,
don't
care
if
I
say
it
or
not.
I've
been
around
45
years
and
seen
this
done
and
I
know
they
teach
it
behind
the
scenes
they
doctored
it.
H
So
the
only
choice
you
had
to
go
to
was
the
first
one,
but
this
commission
getting
the
first
seven
to
five
of
the
fight
we
put
out
down.
There
is
probably
the
best
display
of
government
in
Tarpon
Springs,
making
themselves
known
that
we're
here
and
we're
going
to
be
reckoned
with
and
I
know.
From
hearing
behind
the
scenes,
we've
sent
a
message
to
the
county.
Okay,
you
might
have
got
us
in
this
one,
but
we're
going
to
be
back
and
and
you're
going
to
face
so
around
the
county.
H
We
got
a
great
deal
of
respect
of
what
we
did.
How
close
we
came
to
getting
that
and
we
really
didn't
have
a
chance
behind
the
scenes
of
the
stuff
went
behind
the
scenes,
but
everybody
in
this
board
that
was
involved
did
one
of
the
best
jobs
I've
seen
in
my
years
here,
of
our
government
trying
to
be
represented
in
the
county.
So
congratulations
to
everybody.
B
On
this
board,
yeah
no
I
I
think
that
Ford
Pinellas,
so
I
mean
whether
they
know
it
or
not.
I
mean
they
may
feel
good
about
what
they
do,
but
I
see
some
definite
problems
there.
The
way
they
do
business
down
there
and
I
I
really
think
it's
heavily
weighted
towards
the
south
end
of
the
county,
which
we've
always
known,
and
even
now
you
see
in
the
latest
couple
of
news
releases
about
Dunedin
spending,
big
money
to
create
place.
B
You
know,
in
other
words,
there
are
various
projects
to
create
a
sense
of
place
and
the
need
I
mean
I'd,
be
embarrassed
to
be
honest
with
you.
If
we
had
a
HomeTown
that
we're
spending
big
dollars
to
create
a
place,
a
sense
of
place
in
our
town,
we
have
it,
we
don't
have
to
spend
money
to
do
that,
we
can
make
it
better,
which
is
what
we're
doing
and-
and
you
know,
commissioner
coulianis
you're-
absolutely
right-
I
mean
a
good.
You
know.
B
Money
well
spent
for
this
commission
would
be
to
hire
a
bus
every
now
and
then
load
it
up
with
people
and
send
them
down
to
the
South
County.
For
a
couple
of
hours
and
drive
around
and
then
come
home
and-
and
you
don't
know
what
you
have
until
you're
down
there
and
also
participate
in
some
of
the
government
down
there-
that
don't
get
me
wrong.
B
There's
some
good
people
there
and
and
the
mayor's
Council
I
enjoy
going
there
and-
and
we
talk
about
different
things,
but
their
problems
are
completely
different
than
what
we've
got
up
here.
I
mean
we've
got
some
flooding
problems,
but
they've
got
problems
that
they
can't
deal
with
the
number
of
people
down.
There
are
just
incredible
yeah,
so
just
a
couple
of
announcements,
one
Sunday
at
10
30
at
Mount,
Moriah
Ms
Dab's
family,
is
having
their
last
memorial
for
Ms
dabs.
We've
done
a
Memorial
kind
of
a
a
letter.
B
Next
Commission
meeting
we'll
be
doing
a
memorial
Proclamation,
but
in
this
particular
it'll
basically
say
the
same.
That
document
that
you
signed
tonight-
but
we
didn't
have
time
to
do
a
regular
Proclamation
for
but
it's
it's
one
of
the
same
and
we'll
have
that
there
on
on
Sunday
for
the
family,
that'll
be
the
probably
the
only
time
when
Georgia
Ms
Dab's
daughter
thinks
that
she
can
get
all
the
family
together.
So
that's
at
10
30
at
Mount,
Moriah
also
Memorial,
Day,
Chief
I
know.
We've
got
our
Memorial
Day
at
11
A.M
at
Craig,
Park
Monday.
AC
B
And
and
it's
it's
a
very
somber
event,
something
that's
needed
and
I
think
I
I
didn't
really
haven't
kept
up
with
it.
The
Elks
Club
will
be
doing
their
Elks.
B
Events
Club
is
that
right:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
those
are
the
only
two
announcements
that
I've
got
it's
9
52
and
we're
going
to
do
our
work
session
right
after
this
meeting.
So
unless
there's
any
further
comments,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
adjourn
the
meeting
at
9,
52.
B
Y
B
B
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
convene
the
the
work
session,
which
is
a
completely
simple
animal.
Ms
Jacobs
you
ready.
I
am
okay.
B
B
K
Ahead,
yes,
at
your
last
Workshop,
we
had
three
sections
that
we
didn't
get
to.
Two
of
these
should
be
relatively
quick,
but
the
third
one
is
the
one
that
I
really
want
to
emphasize,
but
talking
about
your
Charter
this,
this
will
be.
The
second
section
just
wanted
to
remind
you
with
the
charter.
When
you
look
at
what
you
as
a
body
are
you're
a
legislative
body.
K
If
you
look
at
the
terms
in
the
charter
roughly
a
through
q,
u
you
are
doing
things
as
a
legislative
body.
You're
setting
the
policy
you're
I
mean
you
have
certain
requirements
for
Budget
things
like
that,
but
you're
still
a
legislative
body
and
what's
important
about
that,
is
that
when
it
comes
to
something
administratively,
that's
the
city
manager
right
and
so
the
city
managers
who
want
to
enforces
what
you
said
as
your
policy,
and
we
heard
some
of
that
tonight.
K
We
heard
it
when
we
had
comments
from
the
public
asking
you
as
a
board
for
certain
things
and
the
direction
you
gave,
which
we
talked
about
before
is
bring
it
to
the
city
manager.
The
city
manager
will
address
that,
and
the
city
manager
answers
to
you.
The
other
provision
that
you
have
in
your
Charter
section,
which
is
important,
is
the
interference
provision.
K
So
you
have
a
specific
Charter
section
that
says
you
cannot
interfere
with
the
administrative
aspects
of
your
city,
meaning
you
can't
go
to
individual
departments
and
interfere
with
the
police
department.
You
can't
go
into
the
fire
department.
You
can't
direct
those
individuals.
Your
direction
is
through
the
city
manager.
That
doesn't
mean
that
you
cannot
evaluate
those
areas
you
can
and
in
fact
the
the
charter
says
you
can.
You
can
still
talk
about
those
areas
and
deal
with
those
areas.
K
You
just
can't
get
involved
in
the
day-to-day
operations
and
for
this
board
that's
not
a
problem,
but
let
me
tell
you
when
you
do
see
boards,
where
that
is
a
problem.
It's
a
major
problem.
If
any
individual
does
that,
there
are
problems
that
you're
going
to
have
and
they're
going
to
just
explode,
because
it's
very
difficult
for
any
of
your
employees
or
Charter
officers
or
directors
or
fire
chief
police
chief
to
deal
with
those
issues
when
they
have
in
essence,
one
of
their
bosses
coming
in
and
and
either
directing
things
or
asking
for
things.
K
It
becomes
very
difficult
and
then
you,
as
we
talked
about
at
your
last
meeting,
you
all
then
have
to
come
and
get
involved
in
those
situations,
and
it
may
come
down
to
doing
what
we
talked
about.
You
may
have
to
sanction
somebody.
You
may
have
to
take
some
kind
of
corrective
action,
because
it
does
cause
a
lot
of
problems
with
the
city.
But
if,
if
you
all
follow
the
charter,
provisions
and
that'll
not
be
a
problem,
are
there
any
questions
on
that
all
right?
The
second
section
which
is
quasi-judicial
is
actually
Regina's,
PowerPoint
and
I.
K
Let
me
preface
it
by
saying
you
know
this
was
perfect
tonight,
because
you
had
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
how
you
handled
that
hearing
was
extremely
well
done,
and
you
have
procedures
in
place
to
do
that
and
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what
happens.
What
you
have
to
be
careful
about,
bring
you
the
next
one.
So
this
is.
Why
are
we
here?
We
will
be
respectful
of
one
another.
K
Even
when
we
disagree,
we
will
direct
all
comments
to
the
issues
we
will
avoid
personal
attacks,
politeness
costs
so
little
Abraham
Lincoln
and
why
that
is
important.
Is
that
really
is
the
essence
of
how
you
do
a
quasi-judicial
hearing?
You
know
it
is
done
respectfully
and
you're
directing
comments
to
the
issues
and
you'll
find
out
why
that's
important
as
we
go
on.
K
K
But
it's
kind
of
ironic,
because
the
Snyder
case
was
about
some
rezoning
where
someone
had
wanted
to
go
to
multi-family
and
they
were
talking
about
the
half
acre
lots
and
they
were
trying
to
move
it
to
multi-family
a
little
bit
similar
to
issues
that
you
just
kind
of
looked
at
so
you're
very
familiar
with
what
they
were
looking
at
when
they
were
making
this
decision,
and
they
said
a
local
government's
actions
are
quasi-judicial
where
the
decision
is
one
that
has
an
identifiable
impact,
a
limited
number
of
persons
or
property
interests.
So
why
is
that
important?
K
Well,
we're
talking
about
quasi-judicial
versus
legislative.
Those
are
two
actions
that
you
take
and
they
are
different
because
you're
dealing
with
specific
area
as
opposed
to
a
complete
zoning
change
in
a
large
parcel
or
property,
is
contingent
on
facts
arrived
at
from
distinct
Alternatives
presented
at
the
local
government
hearing
you
did
that
today,
you
had.
You
listened
to
different
Alternatives
and
you
made
a
determination
about
that
and
can
be
viewed
as
policy
application
rather
than
policy
setting.
So
in
essence,
you're
listening
to
something
when
I.
K
When
someone
comes
forward,
as
you
did
tonight
and
they're
asking
to
redevelop
a
property
and
they're
looking
at
specifics
and
they're
looking
at
areas
that
they
want
to
change
and
so
you're
looking
at
that
application,
as
opposed
to
a
policy
decision
all
right,
what
does
quasi-judicial
mean
in
English?
It's
an
application
of
previously
established
criteria
to
a
set
of
facts
and
circumstances.
In
essence,
you
have
done
the
legislative
policy
or
there
is
a
law
in
effect
and
now
you're,
taking
the
facts
that
are
being
presented
to
you
and
you're,
applying
that
to
it.
K
So
in
essence,
you're
acting
like
a
judge
or
a
jury,
quasi-judicial
determinations
have
the
force
and
effect
of
law.
So
any
decision
you
make
is
appealed
directly
to
Circuit
Court
and
that's
how
they
look
at
those
decisions.
So
you
are
acting
like
a
judge,
a
jury
and
that's
why
there
are
certain
aspects
that
we
have
to
look
at
local
hearing
procedures
used
to
debate
and
decide
quasi-judicial
land
use
decisions
must
honor
the
expectations
of
both
property
owners
and
the
general
public
and
I
think
that
was
addressed
tonight.
K
When
you
were
looking
at
Target
hearing
from
either
affected
parties
and
the
actual
property
owner,
okay,
they
have
the
right
to
come
before
you
under
the
idea
of
fundamental
fairness
for
all
the
participants.
That's
why
you
allow
for
public
comment.
That's
why
you
allow
for
interested
parties
to
come
forward.
K
You
have
an
objective
application
of
the
law
to
the
facts
presented
and
a
reasonable
opportunity
to
be
heard
on
the
issue
at
hand,
so
for
due
process
when
I
come
forward
with
an
application,
you
have
to
provide
me
due
process
and
what
is
due
process
due
process
is
notice
that
you're
going
to
have
the
hearing
and
the
opportunity
to
be
heard-
and
you
all
are
very
good
about
doing
that
and
making
sure
that
you
have
a
policy
with
that.
But
in
addition
to
that,
you
win.
K
E
K
K
Okay,
when
a
circuit
court
review
of
local
government
quasi-judicial
decisions,
what
they're
looking
for
and
what
you
have
to
make
sure
occurs
at
the
hearing-
is
whether
procedural
due
process
was
afforded.
Okay
and
I
just
told
you
that
procedural
due
process
talks
about
notice
of
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
whether
the
administrative
body
applied
the
correct
law
and
whether
its
findings
are
supported
by
competent,
substantial
evidence.
K
You
hear
that
term
a
lot
and
we
tell
you
that
a
lot
and
the
reason
we
tell
you
that
a
lot
is
the
matter
is
that
you
deal
with
are
very
much
administrative
matters
and
those
require.
When
the
court
looks
at
those
they
look
at
it.
Was
there
competent
substantial
evidence?
They
don't
look
at
whether
you
made
the
right
decision
or
the
wrong
decision.
That's
not
what
courts
look
at
unless
you're
applying
the
wrong
law.
What
they're
looking
at
is
was
there
enough
evidence
for
you
to
render
that
decision
based
on
what
was
presented?
K
Is
there
enough,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
make
sure
we
have
a
staff
presentation
is-
is
that
a
staff
presentation
is
usually
the
evidence
that
is
necessary
to
at
least
make
a
finding
effect?
That's
competent
and
substantial
evidence
if
it's
just
two
people
standing
up.
If
we
just
let
the
public
come
up
and
give
an
opinion,
that's
not
evidence,
it's
an
opinion,
but
you
have
experts
on
staff
that
come
before
you.
K
On
the
same
token,
the
applicant
could
have
an
expert
or
the
apple
or
if
an
interested
party
could
have
an
expert
or
some
documentation.
Of
course,
all
those
things
must
occur
at
the
hearing
and
we'll
talk
about
a
little
more
about
that
in
a
second,
but
evidence
that
you
hear
at
the
hearing
is
all
that
matters
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
There's
no
difference
between
this
I'm.
Sorry,
there's
no
difference
between
this
and
a
hearing
that
we
have
in
court.
K
The
court
said
the
only
evidence
that
the
judge
said.
The
only
evidence
I
could
hear
is
that
it's
being
presented
before
me,
I
can't
make
my
decision
on
things
that
are
not
before
me
that
have
not
been
introduced
in
evidence
or
testified
to
so
you're
doing
the
same
thing
in
your
situation,
commissioner,.
R
So
there's
always
been
an
issue
while
I
sat
on
the
board
of
adjustments
between
having
to
meet
all
the
criteria
as
it
is
written
exactly
versus
the
terminology
shall
consider
and
I
know.
This
has
always
been
a
major
discrepancy
because
when
it
doesn't
say
shall
consider
it
kind
of
puts
you
so
stringent
on
the
decision
that
you
literally
could
almost
turn
down.
K
Well,
technically,
when
you're
talking
about
Board
of
adjustment,
you
can
probably
turn
down
almost
every
case,
because
you
have
to
establish
the
applicant
has
to
establish
a
hardship
and
the
hardship
cannot
be
created
by
the
individual
and
the
only
true
hardships
that
exist
that
are
not
created
by
the
individual
is
the
size
of
the
property
on
having
a
weird
Shake
property.
I
have
actually
seen
in
some
cities
in
Pinellas
County,
where
they
turn
down.
Every
applicant
for
Board
of
adjustment.
K
I
have
seen
that
I've
seen
other
cities
where
they
allow
almost
everyone,
because
they
don't
really
look
at
the
hardship
or
they
see
hardship
in
a
different
manner.
So
that's
so
you're
right.
There
is
criteria.
There's
detailed
criteria
in
the
statute
and
I
would
tell
you
that
most
boards
don't
follow
it.
R
Well,
the
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
also
bring
up.
Is
that
many
times
it's
not
the
findings
of
fact
and
not
declared.
K
That
is,
that
is
a
mistake
and
I
will
tell
you
it's
difficult
on
some
boards
that
are
appointed
boards
to
have
that,
if
you
don't
have
a
strong
attorney
in
there,
that's
really
helping
out
or
we're
helping
create
the
findings
of
facts.
In
fact,
for
a
special
magistrate
that
we
use
for
another
city,
we
have
established
the
findings
of
fact
in
advance
and
we
present
those
to
them
because
we
think
it's
important
to
have
those,
because
you
know
it's
not
the
magistrate.
It's
not
the
it's,
not
this.
K
R
K
So
that's
an
interesting
question.
All
right
there's
a
couple
ways
you
look
at
this
number
one.
Obviously
everybody
comes
to
the
table
with
certain
experience
right
and
when
you're
dealing
with
a
government
agency,
especially
a
municipality,
you
all
don't
come
in
with
blinders
I
mean
you
you're
in
the
city.
Some
of
you
have
been
in
the
city.
Your
whole
lives.
You
drive
around.
K
You
know
these
areas,
you
know
these
people,
you
know
the
history,
you
don't
take
that
and
just
throw
it
away
when
you
come
to
the
table
to
make
your
decision
what's
important
is.
Is
that
the
evidence
that
you
would
consider
that
you
make
sure
that
everybody
has
the
same
evidence
right,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
get
to
when
you
talk
about
ex
parte
communication,
did
you
have
any
discussions
that
will
affect
the
matter
before
you?
Does
it
have
anything
to
do
with
that
zoning
that
you're
discussing?
K
Does
it
have
anything
to
do
with
that
particular
property?
And
if
so,
then
you,
you
say
what
it
is,
but
you
also
have
to
consider
in
a
quasi-judicial
that
a
lot
of
things
aren't
evident
right.
Just
because
somebody
says
something
to
you
that
doesn't
make
it
evidence
right,
there's
some
cases
that
that
talk
about
that,
where
you
could
have
ex
parte
communication,
but
it's
not
really
relevant
to
making
the
decision
so
not
every
ex
parte
communication.
K
It
disqualifies
somebody
or
renders
a
decision
incorrect,
but
certainly
if
it
has
to
do
with
the
particular
zoning
aspect.
For
example,
I'm
going
to
I
I'm
the
applicant
and
I
tell
you
independently
that
I'm
going
to
rezone
I'm
asking
for
you
to
rezone
this
area
and
then
I'm
going
to
create
a.
K
A
a
home
for
Wayward
boys
right
but
I'm,
not
telling
you
guys
that
but
I'm
telling
you
right,
and
so
that
affects
your
decision,
but
you
haven't
disclosed
that
well
that
that's
a
problem
and
that
all
that
information
needs
to
be
disclosed.
So
that's
what
we
try
to
do.
Is
it
a
perfect
world?
The
answer
is
no
because
people
know
each
other
and
they
know
what's
going
on
and
they
and
they,
but
tonight's
an
example
where
everybody
declared
what
information
they
had.
K
Nothing
that
they
said
would
have
been
something
to
disqualify
you
it's
you
know
to
disqualify.
Somebody
is
almost
as
if
it
rises
to
that
level.
We
talked
about
at
the
workshop
where
somebody's
offering
you
something
right,
there's
a
financial
gain
for
you.
If
you
you
know,
if
you
help
me
out
here,
I'm
gonna
loan,
you
money
for
something
else,
or
if
you
do.
You
know
it's
more
of
something
along
those
lines
to
really
disqualify
you
in
this
kind
of
situation,.
T
B
T
The
wood
there
yeah
no,
he
asked
a
very
pertinent
question
and
I
and
it
stuck
with
me
for
the
two
years
since
he
asked
that
question
and
it
was
whether
or
not
a
an
opinion
of
an
expert
in
and
of
itself
constitute
competent,
substantial
evidence
and
the.
So
he
asked
that
question
because
we
had
during
a
very
heated
issue.
T
A
quote
expert
Express,
an
opinion
that
was
not
backed
up
by
the
work
that
would
have
rendered
somebody
to
have
that
opinion.
It's,
for
example,
I'm.
You
know
I
would
be
considered
an
expert
in
accounting,
but
if
I've
done
no
work,
I
can't
just
Express
an
opinion
about
something
and
so
oftentimes.
We
have
to
it's,
not
just
what
the
opinion
it's
like.
How
did
you
come
formulate
that
opinion?
What
did
you
do
to
come
up
with
that
opinion
that
that
is
critical
right.
K
First,
is
we
go
through
all
their
credentials
right
right
and
we
determine
whether
or
not
they
even
have
the
background
to
be
able
to
give
the
opinion
that
they're
going
to
render
be
because
if
they
don't,
then
their
opinions
meaningless
right
and
then,
if
they
haven't
done,
if
you're
a
doctor-
and
you
haven't
looked
at
the
x-rays,
if
you
haven't
looked
at
the
MRI,
your
opinion
isn't
worth
anything
exactly
right.
So
you're,
you
are
correct.
K
When
we
do
these
quasi-judicial
hearings,
you
know
they're,
not
the
same.
One
of
the
things
that
that
the
courts
have
said
is
quasi-judicial
is
quasi-judicial
not
meaning
completely
judicial
right,
and
so
the
Rules
of
Evidence
are
not
as
stringent
as
if
I
was
in
a
jury
trial.
So
you
don't
see
you
hear
people,
for
example,
saying
objection,
hearsay
or
that,
so
you
allow
a
lot
of
things
in
that
you
wouldn't
normally
allow.
K
You
heard
background
you
heard
studies,
you
looked
at
the
information
I
mean
you
have
long
drawn
out
I,
believe
we
had
84
pages
on
the
documents
that
were
presented
regarding
the
one
development,
so
that
so
we
knew
those
issues
were
there.
We
also
had
a
list
of
suggested
conditions
and
you
questioned
those
things
and
you
did
those
things
now.
What
was
different
is
they
didn't?
K
Have
anybody
presenting
on
their
behalf
because
they're
already
comfortable
with
what
your
experts
had
already
established,
but
there
are
times-
and
we
had
another
case
tonight,
where
people,
although
it
wasn't
a
quasi-judicial,
they
obviously
were
trying
to
present
information
that
was
somewhat
different
than
had
been
presented
before
they
didn't
bring
an
expert
to
tell
us
that,
but
there
you
know,
I've
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
hearings
and
one
very
contentious,
one
that
I
had
in
Dunedin
where
somebody
was
trying
to
develop
so
I'm
thinking
it
was
a
battle
of
the
experts
right
they
had
their
expert
talk
about
traffic.
K
T
Me
ask
you
one
more
one
more
question.
You
know
on
a
follow-up
of
what
commissioner
Eisner
asked.
T
On
that
same
project,
when
I
I
was
on
the
planning
and
zoning
and
I
I
do
this
I
tend
to
do
this
on
quite
a
few
of
these
projects,
where
I
will
go
and
Drive
by
The
prod
the
project
right
because
I
want
to
visually
see
it.
What
I
see
sometimes
on
the
screen,
I
I
can
I
just
get
a
better
perspective
if
I've,
driven
by
there
and
seen
it
now,
I
I
drove
by
a
project.
T
You
know
that
was
where
traffic
was
a
big
issue
and
just
for
my
sense,
my
own
sense
of
seeing
how
that
traffic
flowed.
Is
that
again,
I
didn't
introduce
that
as
any
kind
of
evidence
or
I
didn't
make
comment
about
that.
But
it's
I
would.
T
K
K
When
we
talk
about
what
is
due
process
number
one,
did
you
have
evidence
and
testimony
that
are
taken
and
considered
right,
it's
under
oath,
but
you
still
have
you're
considering
the
evidence
that's
presented
before
you
and
frankly,
there
might
be
situations
where
you
go.
Yeah
I,
don't
have
enough.
I
can't
make
a
decision.
You
didn't
meet
your
burden
right.
You
didn't
present
enough
for
me.
K
Remember
I'm,
sorry,
remember
it's
not
the
city's
burden,
it's
the
applicant's
burden
and
if
they
don't
meet
their
burden
and
and
that's
a
perfect
example
again
of
the
hearing
we
had
yesterday,
the
burden
was
on
the
individual
plaintiff.
In
that
case,
for
a
substitution
they
have
the
burden.
The
defense
doesn't
have
to
do
anything.
It's
kind
of
like
that.
Classic
thing
you
see,
or
sometimes
here
in
movies
or
if
you've
ever
been
in
a
on
a
jury,
the
in
a
criminal
case.
The
defense
attorney
will
say
you
know
it's
the
prosecutor's
burden.
K
We
don't
have
to
say
anything.
I,
don't
have
to
have
to
offer
any
evidence.
My
client
doesn't
have
to
testify.
It
is
the
state's
burden
and
there's
no
burden
by.
We
don't
have
to
do
anything.
Well,
that's
the
same
here
really
if
the
applicant,
it
just
so
happens
that
you
offer
because
of
the
makeup
of
a
city,
you
happen
to
offer
the
evidence
to
support
the
case,
one
way
or
the
other.
K
You
can
ask
questions,
however,
so
the
way
again
you're
the
judge
in
this
case.
So
my
way
of
looking
at
this
is
that
the
individual
has
to
present
their
case.
You
have
your
experts
that
are
presenting
their
issue.
You
may
want
to
ask
your
own
experts
right
did
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
questions.
Did
you
look
into
this?
Was
this
one
of
the
issues
that
you're
considering
was
trafficking?
Consideration
was
parking
parking,
a
big
deal
all
the
time
right
and
so
you'd
ask
Renee,
was
parking
looked
at?
K
What
was
established
you
know,
is
that
a
condition
to
it
if
they
don't
bring
it
up,
was
that
something
so?
Yes,
you
can
do
that
and
you
bring
again
you
bring
your
expertise
here.
However,
you
can't
testify
as
an
expert.
You
know
that
you
can't
sit
there
and
say
well
I
happen
to
know
that
you
know
and
because
I
I
do
that
for
a
living.
You
got
to
be
careful
when
you
do
that,
because
you
don't
want
to
be
the
expert.
You
have
to
be
the
judge
for
sure.
S
K
You
are
correct,
I
will
tell
you
ironically,
we
had
this
thing.
It
was
very
strange,
but
in
Gulfport
they
had
this
controversy
about
whether
they
could
vacate
a
piece
of
property.
It
was
an
odd
piece
of
property
and
the
judge
said
well,
do
you
mind
if
I
go
look
at
the
property
and
we
were
like
okay,
I
mean
what
are
we
supposed
to
say
right,
but.
K
Normally,
that
is
it's
only
what's
before
you.
If
I
haven't,
given
you
enough
evidence
for
you
to
make
a
decision
to
to
grant
me
what
I'm
asking
for
then
I
failed
and-
and
you
have
not
been
satisfied
so
that
that's
the
burden
is
for
me
to
satisfy
you.
What
your
burden
here
is
to
make
sure
that
you're
getting
the
evidence
necessary
for
you
to
make
your
decision
and
that
it's
competence
substantial.
So
it's
almost
like
a
circle.
K
K
As
long
as
it's
on
point
right
and
then
we
don't
have
the
formal
Rules
of
Evidence,
but
we
generally
follow
those
Rules
of
Evidence.
K
So
we
try
to
be
careful
on
ex
parte
Communications
and
we
just
kind
of
went
through
that,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
again
making
your
decision
based
on
the
evidence,
that's
before
you
and
not
evidence
that
you've
received
or
comments
you've
received
and
I
think
the
way
you
look
at
that
is,
how
did
it
I
mean
you
have
to
be
honest?
How
did
it
affect
you
right
did?
Were
you
told
something
that
you're
basing
your
decision?
Oh
yeah,
I'm,
not
going
to
approve
that
I.
K
K
Okay,
we
kind
of
went
through
what
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
it,
but
that's
the
problem
becomes
for
us,
meaning
the
city
and
upholding
what
you
do
if
there
is
some
kind
of
ex
parte
or
some
kind
of
you
know
quid
pro
quo
something
along
those
lines.
So
we
try
to
make
sure
those
things
didn't
happen.
K
All
right
am
I
applying
the
correct
law.
Well,
that's
really
again!
You
all
are
very
good
on
that,
but
we
have
ordinances.
We
have
statutes
that
you're
looking
at
to
make
a
determination
and
I
think
we
even
said
it
tonight.
This
is
where
you're
basing
your
decision
on
so
are
you
applying
the
correct
law?
It's
not
really
something
that
comes
up
too
much,
but
the
body
must
apply
the
law
as
it
exists,
rather
than
how
a
member
or
members
might
like
it
to
be
right.
K
K
The
requirement
that
the
hearing
body
limit
itself
to
considering
facts
and
apply
the
law
right.
So
we're
talking
about
just
the
law
and-
and
you
might
see
a
comment
by
the
attorney
you're
going
outside
the
the
case
right.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
bring
it
all
back
because
again,
the
review
by
the
courts
are.
Is
there
confident
substantial
evidence
for
you
to
make
your
decision
we'll
go
to
the
next
one?
Okay?
So
what
is
competence
substantial
evidence?
K
Okay,
you
know
when
I
looked
at
this
slide,
I
have
to
tell
you
I
looked
at
it
several
times
and
again
this
is
Regina's.
Powerpoint
I
almost
called
her
up
on
this
to
ask
her.
What
do
you
mean
unacceptable
citizen
testimony?
So
what
is
unacceptable
citizen
testimony?
Well,
I,
looked
at
it.
I
looked
up
cases
to
make
a
determination
as
to
what
she
was
talking
about.
K
It's
testimony.
That's
really
what
we
would
think.
It's
not
relevant
to
the
case
right,
I'm,
standing
up
here
and
I'm
telling
you
I,
don't
like
this
policy.
You
have
well
we're
not
debating
the
policy.
This
is
an
alleged.
The
comprehensive
I,
don't
like
what
you
did
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
therefore
you
shouldn't
Grant
this.
Well,
that's
not
again!
That's
not
what
we're
here
on!
That's
a
legislative
action
that
we
deal
with
somewhere
else.
K
If
you
get
into
that
argument,
we'll
lose
an
appeal
because
you're
accepting
unacceptable
citizen
testimony,
we
always
have
to
allow
citizen
tests.
I
mean
we
should
because
you
might
have
neighbors
or
you
might
have
a
consideration
that
that's
going
on.
That's
relevant
you've
heard
some
of
that
tonight,
but
you
cannot
base
it
on
somebody
talking
about
a
greater
issue
for
the
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
We
should
never
allow
multi-dwellings
to
exist,
okay,
but
what
does
that
have
to
do
with
my
particular
zoning
issue?
K
You
have
to
apply
the
law
whether
or
not
I'm
allowed
to
do
this
to
the
facts
before
you
not
just
the
concept.
Otherwise,
to
be
honest,
we
would
just
do
legislative
issues
and
never
allow
you
to
do
this,
which,
of
course
we
would
have
a
bunch
of
taking
cases
and
either
the
city
would
own
a
lot
of
property
or
you'd
owe
a
lot
of
money
because
you're
not
allowing
people
to
use
their
property.
So
you
have
to
be
careful
on
on
the
comments.
I
think
that
would
be
something
more.
K
You
know.
Okay,
the
Court's
review,
as
I
said,
is
limited
to
solely
two
issues,
whether
the
Circuit
Court
afforded
procedural
due
process,
so
the
Circuit
Court
looks
was
their
due
process,
which
I
told
you
was
notice
and
the
opportunity
to
be
heard,
and
then
they
look
at
whether
or
not
you
departed
from
the
essential
requirements
of
the
law.
That
means
you
didn't
follow
the
law
that
was
before
you.
So
if
there's
and
it's
typical,
if
I
have
a
Zone,
you
heard
it
tonight,
I
have
a
zoning
change
or
I.
K
Have
a
land
use,
change
or
I
have
a
conditional
use.
Why
do
you
have
conditional
uses
because
it's
a
possible
use
that
I
have
so
now?
I
have
to
have
the
key
ring
to
establish
my
ability
to
use
that
if
you're
using
some
other
requirement
of
law,
you
know
you've
departed
from
that
essential
requirements
and
you
haven't
met
the
bird
so
you're.
This
is
what
I
really
liked
and
I
I
was
thinking
about
this
when
I
was
thinking
about
this
discussion
and
I
was
looking
at
your
procedures.
K
Your
procedures
meet
all
these
requirements,
I
mean
clearly,
so
you
give
plenty
of
opportunity
you
give
opportunity.
I
mean
we
probably
could
and
tonight
wasn't
a
good
example
of
it,
but
we
probably
could
emphasize
a
little
more
the
ability
of
the
applicant
to
cross-examine
the
staff
presentation.
I
know
we
say
it,
but
they
don't
really
necessarily
do
it.
I
guess
if
you
have
an
attorney
they'll
they'll,
do
it
they'll,
ask
the
questions
and
then,
of
course
we
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
and
their
attorney.
K
K
We
talked
about
this
board
notice,
public
notice,
public
testimony
and
then
the
discretion.
This
goes
into
a
little
bit
of
what
you
decide
differently
in
a
legislative
hearing
versus
a
quasi-judicial.
So
in
legislative,
which
is,
it's
called
a
fairly
debatable
standard,
it's
it's
really
looked
at
the
courts.
Don't
second
guess
the
wisdom
of
a
local
government's
action.
They
look
at
whether
it's
a
reasonable
basis.
So
this
is
a
different
to
what
you
would
do
in
this
legislative
hearing
versus
a
quasi-judicial.
K
You
have
public
com,
public
testimony,
they're
considerate,
you
consider
more
of
their
preferences
and
opinions,
because
you're
you're
setting
policy
right
as
opposed
to
quasi-judicial
hearing
where
you're,
acting
as
a
judge
on
that
particular
case.
This
is
the
one
where
the
public
could
get
up
and
say:
Tarpon
Springs.
We
need
to.
You
know,
make
sure
that
we
do
this
this
and
this
kind
of
policy
that
we
don't
want
to
have
these
kind
of
places
in
this
location,
or
we
want
to
consider
making
more
historical
sections
of
the
city
doing
those
kind
of
things.
K
T
I'm
not
trying
to
just
beat
an
old,
beat
the
old
horse
here,
but
going
back
to
that
about
us,
injecting.
T
Our
own
experiences
into
so
at
this
quad
now
most
of
the
issues
come
up.
When
you
deny
somebody
right,
that's
when
always
yeah.
Nobody
cares
when
you
approve
them
so
so
tonight
the
vice
mayor
made
a
comment:
I
drive
down,
Dixie
Highway.
All
the
time
is
is
again.
That
is
I
mean
we
all
live
in
this
town.
So
we
drive
all.
K
AC
K
You
know
again,
judges
come
in
background
and
information
there
there
used
to
be
a
traffic
judge
who
I
promise.
You
knew
every
intersection
in
Pinellas
County
and
he
would
actually
tell
you
because
down
the
northeast
corner,
there's
a
Bob's
barricade
yeah,
you
know
I
mean
so
he
was
familiar
with
everything.
So
you
know
you
come
in
with
this
information
you
don't
when
we
look
at
judges.
For
example,
I
have
a
case
that
was
sent
to
bankruptcy.
Court
and
I
got
to
remain
it
back
to
State
Court
we're
looking.
Can
we
find
a
judge?
K
Who
really
has
the
understanding?
It's
some
really
interesting
zoning
issues.
I
would
like
to
have
a
judge
that
has
experience
in
that
area
right.
The
other
side
too
we're
talking
about.
Maybe
we'll
go
to
the
chief
judge
and
see
if
there's
somebody
who
has
that
expertise,
because
they
you
want
a
judge
that
has
that
background.
So
there's
nothing
wrong
with
you.
Having
certain
background,
it's
just
making
sure
that
you
make
the
decision.
You
know,
let's
just
say
that
you're
for
a
development,
but
I
don't
give
you
enough
that
you
should
approve
it.
K
I,
don't
meet
the
standards
that
are
necessary,
then
you
shouldn't
approve
it
right.
I
didn't
meet
my
burden,
even
though
you're
for
it
I
didn't
present
you
enough
evidence
to
agree,
and
sometimes
I've
heard
you
all
say
this
yeah,
you
haven't,
you
know,
there's
not
enough
there
or
you
haven't
presented
enough.
I
agree
that
it
would
be
a
good
thing
for
the
city,
but
yeah
I'm
going
to
vote
now.
K
K
K
K
You
have
put
it
into
language
right
here
that
if
you
are
doing
your
position,
if
you're
following
what
a
reasonable
person
would
be
doing
in
your
position,
you
will
be
defended.
You
will
not
have
to.
You
will
have
the
defense
attorney.
You
will
have
a
judgment
as
we'll
talk
about
a
second
covered
by
the
city.
You
will
be
protected
okay,
but
if
you
act
in
a
willful
and
want
manner
malicious
manner,
you
will
not,
because
the
city
will
not
be
responsible
for
you
if
you're
going
out
what
a
reasonable
person
would
do
in
the
situation.
K
K
K
The
undersea
it
says
this
protection
and
reimbursement
shall
cover
only
situations
where
the
mayor,
commissioner,
commissioner
officer
employee
of
the
city,
has
been
determined
to
have
been
acting
or
failing
to
act
as
the
mayor
commissioner,
commissioner
officer
employee
of
the
city
within
the
scope
of
duties
of
his
or
her
particular
office
or
employment.
So
you're
acting
within
your
scope,
you're
doing
something
and
you're
not
acting
willful
wanting.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
anything.
K
K
What
they
might
do
in
essence,
is
provide
you
a
defense
and
do
a
reservation
of
Rights
and
that
reservation
of
Rights
is
saying
we're
going
to
provide
you
a
defense
attorney
and
we
may
not
pay
on
any
kind
of
ultimate
decision
by
a
jury,
because
we
don't
know
how
you
completely
acted
right.
So
if
a
jury
finds
that
your
actions
are
so
outrageous
or
for
court
funds
are
so
outrageous,
we're
reserving
our
rights
not
to
pay.
K
That
does
it
happen,
often
no,
it
happens
occasionally
and
then
there's
some
exclusions
depending
on
on
the
type
of
case.
It's
that's
being
you
know,
dealt
with
I
mean
a
perfect
example
is
you're
acting
within
the
scope
of
your.
Not
even
you.
One
of
your
employees
is
acting
within
their
scope
of
their
duties
and
they
attack
somebody,
okay,
they're
not
going
to
be
covered
for
that,
because
they
acted
outside
the
scope
of
their
employment
by
doing
that.
K
So,
if
you
had
somebody
I
mean
it's
the
same
for
you
as
it
is
for
any
of
these
employees
that
you
have
under
this
coverage.
K
The
mayor,
commissioner,
commissioner
officer
employee,
providing
his
or
her
full
cooperation
to
the
city
in
the
defense
of
any
action
and
in
the
prosecution
of
any
appeal,
so
somebody
has
to
be
straightforward.
They
have
to
help
us.
They
have
to
be
honest
with
us
in
our
defense.
You
have
to
cooperate.
If
you
choose
not
to
cooperate,
then
you're
not
going
to
get
the
coverage
if
you're
on
your
own.
This
shall
include
but
not
be
limited,
to
providing
a
statement
in
all
evidence
to
the
city's
attorney.
K
K
You
cannot
help
the
other
side
can,
but
you
won't
be
covered
if
you're,
if
you're
Suited
you're
putting
the
city
in
Jeopardy
and
you
and
not
only
will
you
lose
your
coverage,
there's
a
chance
that
the
city
may
come
after
you,
so
the
idea
is
you're
supportive
of
the
city
which
we've
talked
about
and
the
boards
talked
about
and
you're
defending
the
city.
So
you
have
to
act
in
protecting
the
city
and
not
act
in
behalf
of
somebody
else.
K
It's
spelled
out
in
here
and
it's
if
you
know
the
worst
thing
that
could
happen.
Is
you
lose
both?
You
lose
obviously
the
ability
to
have
an
attorney
provided
for
you,
because
then
you
have
to
pay
for
attorneys,
and
you
know,
attorneys
are
expensive
and
especially
the
non-governmental
attorneys
are
very
expensive,
and
then
you
have
you
have
the
possibility
of
exposure
for
any
kind
of
judgment,
which
is
the
scariest
part
about
the
whole
thing.
K
Obviously,
you
have
the
burden
if
you're
served
or
you
get
some
kind
of
summons,
that
you
have
to
turn
it
over,
so
that
we
can
provide
the
defense
the
in
the
other
part
here,
which
is
again.
This
reminds
me
of
more
of
insurance
coverage
being
stated,
you
have.
The
city
has
the
right
to
comp
compromise
all
claims,
that's
usually
an
insurance
issue.
So
in
essence,
let's
just
say
you
go
I.
Think
this
case
is
frivolous
and
I'm
I
want
us
to
fight
it
all
the
way
and
the
city
goes.
K
We
can
resolve
this
case
for
nuisance
fee.
We're
going
to
do
that
and
you
go
I.
Don't
want
you
to
do
that
and
we
go
yeah
we're
doing
it
anyway,
because
the
costs
are
costs
of
Defense
are
greater
than
the
cost
of
resolving
the
case.
That's
something
that
insurance
companies
look
at.
That's
the
same
premise
that
you
have
in
here.
K
It
gives
the
city
the
opportunity
to
resolve
the
case
because
of
any
of
the
potential
exposure
or
even
if
what
happens
is
if
you
have
enough
cases,
you
end
up
having
your
insurance
coverage
raised
and
all
those
kind
of
your
mod
changes,
all
those
fun
things.
So
the
city
has
the
ability
to
take
care
of
that.
K
K
If
the
mayor,
commissioner,
commissioner,
officer
or
employee
of
the
city
has
been
guilty
of
intentional
misconduct
or
of
intentional
mission
of
Duty
or
where
it
is
determined
that
he
or
she
acted
in
bad
faith
with
malicious
purpose
or
in
a
manner
exhibiting
wanton
and
willful
disregard
of
human
or
civil
rights,
safety
or
property,
libel
and
slander,
okay,
so
again,
if
you're
acting
in
this
manner-
and
it's
spelled
out
actually
in
this
section-
you're
not
going
to
receive
that
coverage-
you're
not
going
to
have
your
judgment
paid
for
you
you're
out
on
your
own,
because
you
acted
in
a
way
that
was
not
on
behalf
of
the
city.
K
K
B
We
also
have
our
resolution
that
Ms
Kardash
did
for
us
as
well,
that
which
was
a
separate,
I,
think
resolution.
It
wasn't
a
charter
as
a
matter
of
fact
it's.
The
interesting
thing
is
the
mayor.
Mayor
hyphen,
commissioner,
is
what
the
old
title
was
for
the
mayor.
That's
how
old
this
thing
goes
back
well,.
K
I
I
have
to
tell
you
that
having
it
spelled
like
this
was
whoever
did
it
was
brilliant
yeah.
You
normally
have
this
discussion
about
what
our
insurance
coverage
is
and
what
you're
protected
by
I.
You
get
spelled
out
like
this
I
think
this
is
absolutely
a
perfect
way
of
putting
in
anybody's
code
or
Charter.
B
If
there's
any
further
questions
by
any
commissioner
they're
free
to
give
you
a
call
on
this.
B
The
agenda
for
the
work
session
and
has
anybody
given
any
additional
thought
to
something
that
they
might
want
to
say
last
chance,
okay,
meeting
adjourned
at
10,
43.