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A
B
A
Okay,
tonight
is
a
work
session
format
and
generally
it's
for
the
purpose
of
the
commission
to
just
basically
discuss
things
among
itself.
This
this
evening
involves
the
special
counsel,
Carlton
Fields,
and
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
is
to
actually
provide
them
some
information
for
creating
a
scope
of
work
which
we'll
be
considering
here
in
the
very
near
future.
A
A
So
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
next
Tuesday
night's
meeting
where
there
will
be
a
resolution
establishing
Carlton
Fields
as
the
special
counsel
and
also
commissioning
their
effort
and
then,
of
course,
there'll
be
a
scope
of
work
which
would
be
separate
from
that
that
will
be
discussed,
maybe
next
Tuesday
night,
but
maybe
a
subsequent
meeting
soon
thereafter,
this
evening
from
Carlton
Fields,
we've
got
Mr,
Adam,
Schwartz
and
also
Ms
Aaron
Hoyle.
A
You
also
the
com
for
the
commission.
You
have
a
memorandum
in
your
backup
that
lays
out
the
format,
or
at
least
the
flow
of
the
meeting
this
this
evening,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
when
I
finish
here
is
turning
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Schwartz,
see
if
he's
got
some
comments
and
then
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
go
down
by
seniority
vice
mayor.
A
First,
all
the
way
down
to
commissioner
elect
Cooley
Anderson
and
lastly,
myself
is
for
any
comments
and
then
once
that's
done,
I'll
ask
the
ask
Mr
Schwartz
if
he's
got
any
comments
or
questions
and
and
I
think
for
the
purpose
of
making
sure
we
we
Mr
Schwartz,
has
everything
that
he
needs
when
he
walks
away.
A
If
there's
some
clarification-
and
he
needs
in
when
a
commissioner
is
talking,
I'd
like
to
invite
him
to
ask
a
question-
if
you
need
some
additional
information
from
any
of
us,
so
that
we
don't
wind
up
having
to
wait
until
the
end
and
maybe
something
is
lost
in
that
and
then
once
all
that's
done.
I'll
have
one
more
round
of
the
comments
for
any
last
comments
that
the
commission
might
have.
A
It's
not
the
city,
commission,
it's
the
municipal,
Corporation
and
there's
a
subtle
aspect
to
that
that
you'll
see
in
the
resolution
that
will
be
coming
to
you
is
establishing
Carlton
Fields
as
the
special
counsel
and
also
again
commissioning
him
commissioning
Carlton
Fields
in
their
work,
that'll
be
mentioned
again
there
so
I
know
there
was.
Let
me
just
say
that
the
distinction
is
it's
fair
game
that,
in
this
investigation
and
tonight
we'll
talk
about
the
format.
A
The
range,
the
period
of
which
we'll
be
looking
at,
commissioner,
will
be
interviewed
separately
and
then
tonight
is
to
provide
some
general
observations
and
insight
for
Mr
Schwartz's
purpose.
But
each
commissioner
will
be
interviewed
individually
and
then
I'm,
hoping
as
Carlton
Fields
goes
through
their
investigation.
A
They
may
be
able
to
provide
us
some
observations,
since
the
client
is
actually
the
municipal
Corporation.
As
far
as
the
performance
of
the
commission
itself,
I
think
that
may
be
the
subtlety
and
you'll
see
that
in
the
resolution
for
next
week.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
oh
Mr
Schwartz.
Any
comments
to
get
us
started.
D
Mr
Mayor
fellow
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
the
invitation.
We
appreciate
your
trust
and
faith
in
us
and
we
appreciate
being
able
to
participate
in
the
workshop
I
think
tonight.
For
us
it
really
becomes
a
listening
experience.
We
want
to
listen
to
what
each
of
you
has
to
say
to
help
us
formulate
what
our
scope
of
work
will
be,
which
we
will
then
submit
back
to
you
all.
So
you
can
see
it
and
comment
on
that.
D
So
we
can
come
to
some
common
agreement,
but
that's
really
what
what
we're
looking
to
do
tonight
is
we
really
want
to
listen,
ask
questions
as
we,
if
we
think
of
them
tonight,
we
may.
We
may
have
further
questions
after
we
consider
all
the
comments
and
digest
them
and
then
come
back
to
the
commission
with
the
scope
of
work,
as
we
had
discussed
a
couple
weeks
ago
for
approval
by
the
commission.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
get
started
vice
mayor
blunt.
Would
you
like
to
get
us
started
as
far
as
any
comments
things
that
you
just
tell
Mr
Schwartz
what
you
want
Carlton
Fields
to
investigate
and
what
you'd
like
to
see
out
of
this
okay.
C
So
my
overriding
concern
is
obviously
the
interplay
between
several
parties,
both
in
the
city,
both
in
the
planning
and
and
the
planning
department,
the
city
manager,
our
City
lawyer,
the
interplay
with
Morgan's
legal
counsel
and
the
resultant
changes
in
codes
that
occurred
prior
to
the
subject
even
being
exposed
and
faulted
the
council
and
to
the
public
to
me
and
I
read,
although
some
time
ago,
I
read
all
500
and
some
odd
emails,
it
just
didn't.
Look
right,
didn't
look
proper.
E
During
this
time,
I
think
our
planning
department
was
in
a
lot
of
transition,
so
I
think
it's
good
to
have
an
understanding
of
where
our
planning
department
was
Staffing,
who
was
in
our
planning,
department,
turnover
and
things
along
those
lines
and
then,
secondly,
there's
another
aspect
of
I
would
like
to
understand.
Some
more
information
about
is
communication
between
the
board
of
commission
and
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
and
then
my
understanding
is
closet.
E
Additional
the
boards
are
supposed
to
take
information,
that's
presented
to
them
by
the
applicant
or
by
the
experts,
and
the
question
is:
should
the
board
of
commission
be
supplying
information
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
who's,
then
providing
a
recommendation
back
to
the
board
of
commission
and
the
concern
is
that
there's
information
that's
being
provided
outside
the
quad?
The
quasi-judicial.
B
E
By
a
board
of
commissioner
potentially,
who
then
is
getting
a
recommendation
back
from
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
to
the
board
they're
sitting
on,
so
those
are
a
couple
of
concerns
that
I
have
just
for
further
details
again
I'm,
not
accusing
anybody
of
anything.
I
just
would
like
some
more
information
on
that.
F
Eisner,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
for
coming.
Mr
Schwartz
I
have
a
couple
of
just
questions
that
I
would
like
to
see
answered
down
the
road.
One
very
serious
thing
is
to
know
your
protocol
from
start
to
finish
so
I
have
an
idea.
This
is
not
something
that
I've
dealt
with
before
so
it's
it's
something.
New
I
would
like
to
know
more
about
the
compensation
package
that
we
provided,
that
what
happens
after
we
reach
the
maximum
that
you
had
requested
or
that
we
had
agreed
upon
I'd
like
to
know
if
the
investigation
becomes
more
in-depth.
F
Do
we
stop
at
that
point?
Do
we
ask
for
more
money?
Are
we
locked
in
so
those
are
that's
something
I'm
looking
for
I
also
need
to
know
how
do
we
deal
with
people
or
persons
that
refuse
to
respond
because
I
know
that
was
one
of
the
requests
that
we
spoke
about
when
we
were
in
the
interviewing
process
that
you
can't
get
people
to
always
speak
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
needs
to
be
done
there
at
what
point?
Also,
do
you
say
enough?
F
Is
enough
we're
not
looking
for
a
Witch,
Hunt
I
know
that
was
something
said
in
the
past
and
that's
not
what
anybody
here
is
looking
for
we're
pretty
much
looking
for
to
have.
If
there
was
wrongdoing
done
bring
it
to
our
attention
if
there
was
no
wrong
doing
done,
bring
that
to
our
attention.
This
is
not
a
Witch
Hunt.
F
F
I
also
need
to
know
how
you
will
know
who
all
the
players
are,
whether
you're
going
to
need
that
from
Individual
Commissioners
from
the
city
manager,
because
there
are
different
players
involved.
There's
quite
a
few
in
this.
In
this
deal,
I'd
like
to
know
what
your
classification
is,
the
difference
between
abuse
fraud
and
wrongdoing
in
the
definition
form.
F
My
time
frame
is
approximately
the
time
frame
we
agreed
upon,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
any
sort
of
stringent
time
frames
in.
So,
if
you're
seeing
a
lot
in
the
2017
I,
wouldn't
restrict
you
from
going
into
2016.,
so
I
would
like
to
see
not
put
any
any
handcuffs
on
you.
You
need
to
do
what
you
need
to
do
and
if
there's
anything
that
you
can
need
from
myself,
I'm
happy
to
you
know:
I
I,
think
I
read
most
of
the
emails
I
read
the
753
or
52
emails.
F
I
only
read
100
and
some
odd
here,
but
I
had
you
know,
prepared
for
150,
so
I
I,
pretty
much
know
them
pretty
well
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
neutral
eyes.
F
You
know
the
accusations
have
been
said
before
that.
It's
political,
it's
just
everything
under
the
sun
you're
neutralized
you're
not
involved
you're,
not
the
commission
you're,
not
the
pass
board,
you're,
not
the
current
board.
So
what
you
say
is
what
will
be
and
pretty
much
that's
all
I
would
be
looking
for
if
I
could
think
of
something
else.
As
time
goes
on
I'm
happy
to
ask
you
those
questions,
then,
but
thank
you
for
showing
up.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Schwartz
I'm,
just
I'm
interested
in
in
you
looking
into
just
the
interaction
between
our
City
Attorney
at
the
time
and
outside
attorneys
outside
attorneys,
with
legal
counsel
and
the
importance
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
changing
Land
Development
codes.
G
Just
appearance,
you
know
when
we
talk
about
conflicts
of
interest
and
the
appearance
of
it.
All
the
comprehensive
plan
is
the
constitution
in
which
Our
Land
Development
code
applies
to,
and
it's
important
that
we
protect
it
and
every
process
that
comes
when
trying
to
update
it.
That's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
people
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
the
city's
future
well-being.
H
That's
a
little
this
way
good
evening,
Mr,
Schwartz
and
I'm.
Sorry,
Coyle.
Okay,
welcome
welcome
to
Tarpon
Springs,
okay,
so
the
questions
that
I
have
are
rhetorical
in
nature.
So
I'm
I,
don't
expect
you
to
answer
each
of
these
questions.
If
you
choose
to
answer
them,
that's
great,
but
if
you
don't
don't
worry
about
it,
I'm
just
going
to
Rattle
off
a
number
of
questions.
H
H
Therefore,
what
Authority
will
your
report
be
based
on
the
Board
of
Commissioners
is
not
directing
you
to
form
any
specific
conclusion
or
finding
based
on
their
individual
theories,
even
though
each
commissioner
might
have
a
particular
Theory.
Obviously
your
conclusion
will
be
your
own
and
independent
I.
Think
a
big
question
is:
what's
our
objective?
H
Is
our
objective
to
kill
the
inkload
harbor
project
that
might
be
an
objective
or
and
or
is
it
to
improve
our
processes
and
establish
better
government
priorities,
governmental
priorities
using
this
report?
Are
we
going
to
be
using
this
report
as
a
weapon
or
as
a
learning
opportunity
to
create
better
processes
and
identify
how
best
to
achieve
our
priorities
as
a
community.
H
H
If
we're
not
under
privilege,
or
can
those
theories
that
each
commissioner
has
be
a
problematic
for
them
or
the
city?
You
know,
I.
Do
forensic
accounting
and
I
do
a
lot
of
family
law
work
and
when
I
the
first
thing
I
do
is
I
sit
down
with
the
parties
and
I
ask
them?
H
What
do
they
think?
What's?
What's?
What's
the
what's
on
your
mind,
and
they
come
up
with
all
kinds
of
theories
you
know,
and
some
of
them
have
some
Merit
to
them.
My
radar
goes
up.
I
hear
their
theories.
Some
of
them
are
crazy.
H
H
Is
your
work,
product
or
papers
subject
to
public
records
requests
so
again?
If,
if
we
have
meetings
with
you
and
we
say
things
and
you
take
notes
or
there's,
are
those
going
to
be
subject
to
public
records
requests?
H
H
All
right,
many
of
the
facts
are
Prima
facial
or
given
right.
Some
items
require
legal
research
rather
than
forensic
or
investigative
work.
I
assume
that's
corrected
for
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
For
example,
the
question
of
sitting
Commissioners
and
their
family
and
their
office
members
involved
in
an
agency
or
broker
relationship
that
would
endure
a
financial
benefit
to
them.
H
That's
a
question
that
I'd
like
to
answer,
furthermore,
and
here's
another
a
little
A
Different
Twist
on
it.
Furthermore,
are
there
ethical
regulations
or
rules
that
would
have
precluded
them
from
being
involved
in
working
with
City
staff
to
make
a
project
possible
years
prior
to
the
time
of
their
recusal,
and
the
reason
I
think
that's
relevant
is
recusal
happened
at
pretty
much
the
end
of
the
process
and
if
2017
there's
not
a
vote
till
2021
I.
H
Believe,
then,
was
it
appropriate
to
disclose
any
Financial
involvement
in
the
in
a
project
and
here's
another
curious
question
and
this
kind
of
relates:
are
there
any
rules
or
regulations
that
would
preclude
earning
a
commission
on
a
transaction
whereby
the
city
is
a
party
to
the
transaction?
Again?
Does
recusal
alone
exonerate
the
commissioner
from
an
ethical
or
conflict
issue.
H
H
It's
my
understanding
that
it's
not
uncommon
for
outside
attorneys,
for
the
applicants
to
be
involved
in
writing,
ordinance
changes,
I
I,
don't
think
that's
uncommon,
I
think
what
we
have
here
is-
and
the
question
is:
was
it
merely
laziness
on
our
our
Representatives
parts
to
let
them
do
all
the
heavy
lifting
on
the
drafting
of
favorable
wording
of
an
ordinance
to
make
way
for
a
project?
H
H
H
If
we
lose,
could
we
be?
Could
we
be
liable
for
financial
award
for
opportunity
or
future
profit
losses
to
the
developer
and
possibly
of
having
to
pay?
Obviously
the
developers
legal
fees
in
addition
to
our
own?
So
if
we,
you
know
you're,
gonna,
you're,
obviously
going
to
come
up
with
some
opinion,
suggestions.
I
think
we'll
need
guidance
on
that
as
well
as
we
get
to
that
point.
H
Whether
or
not
we
like
I,
think
commissioner
Eisner
said
how
far
do
we
go
and
then
what's
what
are
the
the
the
the
risks
of
doing
that?
H
H
Are
standing
as
as
elected
officials.
H
I,
don't
want
to
create
occupational
criteria,
for
those
who
can
run
for
public
office,
however,
is
the
following
possible
preclude
any
sitting,
and
these
are
like
suggestions
of
ordinance
changes
or
or
or
or
any
policy
changes
preclude
any
sitting
elected
official
from
benefiting
financially
as
a
broker
or
agent
for
any
project
or
application
brought
before
the
city.
H
Can
we
can
we
create
a
either
a
charter,
Amendment
changes
that
could
could
make
that
improper?
If
it's
not
already
in
proper,
we
want
local
business
people
to.
We
want
local
business
people
to
benefit
from
from
local
development.
I
think
it's
it's
more
desirable,
desirable
to
have
a
project
built
by
a
local
company
rather
than
out-of-towners
in
the
case
of
hedge
funds
or
private
Equity
groups.
H
H
Can
a
sitting,
commissioner,
have
a
dual
capacity?
Isn't
this
a
question
I
have
for
you
also.
Can
a
sitting,
commissioner,
have
a
dual
capacity
as
both
an
elected
official
and
a
broker,
while
simultaneously
working
on
a
project
for
the
city
and
also
earning
commissions
or
compensation?
If
the
project
proceeds
and
again
recusal
is
one
thing
but
working
on
actively
working
on
a
project,
and
we
know
from
that.
We
know
from
the
facts
that
this
project
had
been
actively
worked
on,
going
all
the
way
back
to
2017.
H
Queen,
creating
a
safe
environment
for
our
staff
to
work
on
any
project.
We
need
to
protect
our
staff
from
the
pressure
or
perceived
pressure
to
spend
more
time
on
a
project,
given
that
a
commissioner
and
or
their
agents
are
working
directly
in
City
Hall.
H
You
know
it's
an
environment
that
is
untenable.
You've
got
staff,
we
heard
from
the
emails
staff
saying
they're
working
on
Sunday
they're,
exhausted.
H
Are
are
they
their
own
person?
Can
they
make
when
they
have
family
members
of
elected
officials
in
in
people
with
significant
influence,
pushing
through
a
project
and
who,
who
was
who's,
protecting
the
staff?
Who
do
we
have
we
got?
We
got
management?
H
H
H
How?
How
much
does
a
city
invest
in
a
project
and
again
when
these
influences?
When
these
influencers
are
there,
it's
it's
problematic,
so
we
need
a
mechanism
that
makes
all
projects
public
from
the
moment,
staff
puts
any
significant
amount
of
time
and
again
these
are
things
that,
hopefully,
you
can
suggest
and
in
short
I
I
I
think
you
know,
we
just
want
good
government,
and
hopefully
you
can
help
us
get
there.
Thank
you.
A
I
apologize,
my
phone
went
off.
I
normally
put
it
on
silent
before
meetings,
but
didn't
happen
this
time.
Thank
you,
Mr,
commissioner.
Let
coolianus
I
I'm
going
to
go
over
some
things,
but
you
can
see
that
there's
we
could
it's
voluminous
as
far
as
some
of
the
questions,
I
guess
in
interest
of
some
of
the
Commissioners
Mr
coulianis
is
going
to
be
taking
office
in
April
and
for
about
five
months.
A
If,
if
the
investigation
goes
for
about
eight
months,
you'll
be
a
commissioner
for
about
five
months
of
that,
and
and
and
so
he'll
be
you'll,
be
interviewing
him
as
well
as
part
of
this
group
that
we
have
here
and
also
commissioner,
like
coulianis,
was
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
with
the
one
project.
Actually,
several
of
them
that
are
of
question
have
come
through.
B
A
Coming
up
with
some
findings,
based
on
what
you
see
from
certain
topics
that
many
of
them
have
been
discussed
here
this
evening,
as
far
as
thinks
of
questionable
activities
and
and
actions,
I
I
use
the
word
surreptitious
because
they
seem
to
have
been
tried
to
be
hid,
maybe
unintentionally,
but
in
fact
that
they
were,
and
that
caused
some
problems
and
we
need
some
policy
as
far
as
how
to
improve
on
that
to
better
communicate
with
the
public
that
these
things
are
actually
occurring
at
City
Hall
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
them.
A
As
a
matter
of
fact,
some
of
these,
the
technical,
Review
Committee,
is
a
public
meeting,
and
that
presents
an
opportunity
of
residents
to
sit
in
on
that.
If
they
know
that
the
project
is
coming,
I
think
another
thing
is
the
amount
of
staff
time
that
getting
gets
eaten
up
with
some
of
these
projects.
I
know
the
Anclote
Harbor
was
mentioned
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
say
something
a
little
more
about
that
and
that
began
in
2017..
A
We
have
another
one:
the
Keystone
I
think
Keystone
Village
or
whatever
the
topic
was.
It
was
the
51
homes
on
the
52
Acres
that
was
under
works
for
about
as
I
understand
for
about
two
years
and
and
seven
technical
review
committees
before
before
it
actually
got
to
us.
So
that's
an
awful
lot
of
investment
on
the
part
of
the
staff.
In
some
of
these
things
and
somewhere,
we
need
to
have
a
policy
as
far
as
how
we
deal
with
this
sort
of
thing.
A
Another
one
is
that
that
I'm
quite
concerned
about
is
non-attorney
Staff
dealing
directly
with
attorneys
representing
developers
and
other
private
parties
and
and
obtaining
information,
maybe
getting
some
kind
of
consent
from
the
senior
employee
that
should
be
coming
from
our
City
attorney
Instead,
at
least
some
discussion
in
that
regard.
A
Also,
at
the
commission
meetings,
there's
something
that
I'm
trying
to
get
the
commission
more
information
on.
That's
the
public
forum
Doctrine.
As
far
as
how
we
deal
with
the
public.
What
can
be
said,
how
we
interact
with
them
as
commissioners.
A
A
One
is
quasi-judicial,
which
was
the
include
Harbor
Apartments
project
and
the
other
was
a
legislative
act
and
those
are
important
because
they're
the
most
documented
from
emails,
public
meetings
of
which
there's
videos
where
you
can
see
what
was
actually
said
from
the
standpoint
of
the
video
and
compare
that
to
the
written
record
and
I
think
you
might
find
some
interesting
comparisons
there
of
maybe
perhaps
something's
not
quite
from
the
written
record
matching
with
what
is
being
stated
in
the
video
record.
A
So
I
think
that
those
would
be
the
two
that,
but
that's
up
to
you
as
far
as
how
you
would
want
to
handle
that,
and
it's
just
not
the
emails.
You've
heard
that
mentioned
several
times.
Emails
are
just
basically
how
this
matter
came
about.
A
None
of
those
have
we
done
any
public
records
request
on
the
emails
just
happen
to
be
available
and
I
just
took
a
look
at
them,
and
then
the
commission
took
a
look
at
them
and
we
are
here
today
because
of
that.
So
I
would
hope
that
there
would
be
some
public
records
requests
that
you
would
do
to
try
and
obtain
additional
information.
Private
Communications,
our
attorney's
emails,
are
not
in
our
system.
E
A
A
So
assuming
that
you
would
like
to
look
at
include
Harvard,
that
would
be
the
first
meeting,
but
I
I
think
that
Communications
among
the
staff
and
the
developer
really
did
not
increase
in
activity.
Until
somewhat
later
from
that
date,
and
and
of
course,
the
street
vacation
fee
was
within
that,
and
these
other
three
incidents
that
I'm
aware
of
were
within
that
time
frame
begin
certainly
past
2017.,
also,
where
I
think
we
should
cut
it
off,
would
be
in
the
spring
of
2022
and
are
even
later
up
until
today
for
that
matter.
A
If
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
how
we
operate
since
the
election,
but
Springer
22
2022,
and
the
reason
why
there
was
because
there
were
certain
motions
that
the
the
jobs,
what
would
you
call
it?
The
the
contest,
the
jocking,
the
legal
jockeying,
continued
past
the
approval.
A
There
were
certain
the
writ
of
certiori
you
met,
Mr
delacas
earlier
introduced
himself
to
you
was
introduced
and
then
that
continued
This
legal
contest,
I
guess
if
you
will
and
we
were
held
as
a
lower
tribunal,
where
we
were
asked
to
act
as
judges
concerning
the
motion
to
stay
pending,
satisfying
the
conditions
that
would
allow
a
development
order.
Building
permit
construction
permit
to
be
issued,
and
there
were
certain
things
that
happened
during
those
times
that
I
think
were
unfair
to
the
residents.
A
A
By
the
city,
the
developer
and
the
concerned,
citizens,
but
the
Commissioners
weren't
allowed
to
ask
any
of
those
three
questions
which
I'm
not
sure
how
you
could
do
that
and
then,
of
course,
in
the
second
motion
to
stay
which
this
Commission
went
through,
we
created
our
own
rules
of
procedure
for
that
and,
of
course,
those
were
questioned
as
far
as
whether
we
departed
out
from
them
from
the
developer.
But
of
course
the
developer
didn't
point
out
that
there
wasn't
even
coming
close
to
the
first
motion
to
stay
rules
of
procedure.
A
For
that
event,
so
there's
a
whole
lot
here:
I'm
picking
on
Anclote
Harbor,
the
street
vacation
fee
by
the
way,
the
in
those
emails
that
you,
the
700
or
so
the
infamous
700
many
of
those
emails
are
some
of
those
emails
are
related
to
this
street
vacation
fee
ordinance,
and
so
not
all
of
those
700
are
Frank
load,
Harbor
and
so
I
think
that
there's
plenty
of
opportunity
for
you
to
see
how.
A
The
city
government
interacted
with
private
individuals,
developers
corporations
to
bring
projects
forward
and
certainly
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
improvement
in
that.
As
far
as
again,
my
priorities,
my
as
far
as
a
deliverable
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
get
some
pretty
good
direction
on
policies
that
we
should
put
in
place
to
prevent
this
from
happening
again
where
the
residents
are
in
any
significant
issue.
A
It's
going
to
have
an
impact
to
Tarpon
Springs
at
the
ground
floor,
rather
than
waiting
until
certain
things
were
teed
up
behind
the
scenes
to
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
the
developer
to
get
what
they
want
and
to
reduce
any
risk
after
the
approval
of
that
project,
somehow
unraveling,
and
so
that's
the
pro-
that's
my
number
one
priority
as
far
as
the
others.
A
With
regard
to,
let
me
just
use
the
word
wrongdoing,
whether
it's
an
Ethics,
a
criminal
or
civil
and
and
then
how
that
affects
which
I
know
many
people
are
keyed
on
the
include
Harbor
apartment.
A
Obviously,
if
you
see
something
there
you're
going
to,
let
us
know
but
I
consider
that,
as
as
a
byproduct,
you
know
I've
looked
at
this
and
pretty
great
detail:
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
I've
got
a
sense
of
of
things
and
and
what
would
have
to
happen.
A
The
other
part
that
that
I'm,
hoping
that
you
will
look
into
as
far
as
your
your
your
interviews,
our
ex
parte,
Communications
and
I,
think
we
take
that
little
light
and
I
and,
for
example,
I
was
the
only
person,
my
recollection
during
the
Anclote
Harbor
apartment
projects,
which
divulged
ex
parte
Communications
during
the
evidentiary
phase
of
the
project.
A
A
This
past
election
put
the
I'm,
not
shy
of
saying
that
put
the
residents
back
in
the
driver's
seat.
I
think
it
was
a
clear
message
to
people
that
by
the
residents
that
they
want
to
be
involved,
they
want
to
know.
What's
going
on
in
their
Community,
they've
got
an
idea
what
they
want
their
Community
to
look
like
and
they'd
like
to
have
a
say
in
that.
So
any
of
these
policies
that
we
get
coming
out
of
this
project
out
of
this
special
investigation
are
for
that
purpose.
A
We've
already
made
some
policy
changes
and
we're
going
to
continue
doing
some
policy
policy
changes,
but
where
we
need
your
help
is
to
to
suggest
Maybe
where
we
don't
want
to
go
too
far.
I
think
you've
heard
a
couple
of
Commissioners
coming
up
with
some
questions
of
some
extreme
policies,
and
maybe
those
may
not
be
realistic
or
the
best
interest
of
being
able
to
work.
A
We
don't
want
to
Tire
hands
so
much
that
you
know
we
can't
get
anything
done,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we
want
to
prevent
what
what
appears
to
have
happened
in
the
past,
which
a
lot
of
work
has
happened
without
the
residents
knowing
about
it
a
great
amount
of
staff,
time
and
money
was
spent
on
things
that
we
could
have
been
focused
on
other
things,
to
help
improve
the
city
which
we
weren't
able
to
so
at
this
point.
What
I
want
to
do
is
it's
still
early
at
7
13..
A
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
is
just
go
back
to
the
Commissioners
and
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
more
free
form
here,
if,
if
there's
any
kind
of
discussion
and
interaction
that
the
Commissioners
I
have
some
question
for
some
of
the
Commissioners
as
far
as
what
they
want
to
do,
and-
and
maybe
some
observations
on
my
part-
so
let
me
let
me
just
ask
Vice
Maryland.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you
want
to
talk
about
or
say
or.
C
for
my
initial
observations,
there
was
meeting
between
our
staff
and
tarapani
to
discuss
the
Walmart
property
prior
to
the
Walmart
property,
having
expressed
interest
or
having
prior
to
Morgan
even
meeting
with
Walmart's
broker.
In
fact,
Walmart
property
didn't
even
have
an
address
at
that
time,
so
there
was
so
much
interplay
going
on.
C
C
C
Don't
want
to
I
don't
want
to
to
use
a
comic
that
would
be
normally
made,
but
it
was
well
in
advance
of
of
anything
that
was
actually
planned
and
was
approaching
a
method
that
was
somewhat
duplicitous
because
it's
not
the
original
thoughts
were
not
working
to
they
had
us
set
up
developments
get
an
address
clean.
They
had
our
Police
Department
cleaned
the
property
up,
I
mean
there's
just
there's
just
so
much
stuff
that
went
on
and
you
have
to
go.
C
C
As
far
as
what
went
on
I
mean,
we
could
get
to
the
point
where
everything's
fine,
all
the
way
through
and
it's
bad
policy
or
just
kind
of
misdirected
policy
or
whatever,
and
that's
fine,
at
least
we'll.
C
The
lack
of
policy,
but
from
my
personal
observation
after
reading
through
700
and
some
odd
emails
there's
just
this
just-
doesn't
sit
right,
I've
dealt
with
government
agencies
and
governments
for
a
long
career
and
I've
never
seen
this
kind
of
interplay
between
a
governing
body
and
an
applicant.
It's
just
it's
just
unheard
of.
A
Yeah,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
you
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
vice
mayor
lump,
but
there's
also
using
again,
we
seem
to
be
focused
on
Anclote
Harbor
and
there's
more
to
this
issue
than
that.
Certainly
from
a
general
policy
perspective,
there
is
there's
a
difference
of
opinion
among
the
staff
and
some
of
the
commissioners
as
far
as
whom
you,
what
you'll
have
some
of
the
Commissioners
saying
that
they
don't
they
don't
have
any
idea
of
what
was
going
on
at
that
time.
You
have
staff
saying,
oh,
yes,
they
did
so.
A
E
A
A
The
street
vacation
fee
was
another
example
where
things
were
done
among
the
staff
and
it
was
presented
in
a
different,
for
it
was
being
done
for
a
different
reason
at
the
public
hearings
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
during
the
application
process
of
Anclote
Harbor
I'm
Tom
prior
to
that
time,
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
learn
of
whether
that
was
somewhat
just
the
way
business
was
done
in
the
city
government,
and
we
should
correct
that,
if
that's
inappropriate
I
would
think
it
is
that's
pretty
much
my
thoughts
on
this
okay
I'm,
not
sure
whether
the
Commissioners
had
to
go
beyond
Anclote
Harbor
or
whether
they
want
to
focus
on
include
Harvard
I,
don't
know.
E
I'll,
just
a
couple
things
that
I'm
understanding
with
hiring
a
special
counsel
was
specifically
around
the
anklet
Harbor
and
how
it's
handled
not
necessarily
other
ordinances
or
policies
that
are
in
place
by
the
pass
commission
or
City
attorney
or
city
manager.
If
there's
other
things
that
the
board
feels
inclined
to
have,
other
research
done,
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
that.
But
my
understanding
is
that
the
board
hired
the
special
counsel
to
handle
the
angle
Harbor,
specifically
as
a
whole,
and
not
kind
of
go
off
on
other
aspects.
A
E
D
A
I
think
it
falls
short
on
its
merits.
But
yet
there's
been
a
lot
of
legal
wrangling.
That's
gone
behind
the
scene,
jocking
changing
of
Land
Development
code
amendments
to
tee
up
the
project
and
then
once
we
get
into
it
and
I
didn't
and
when
we
get
into
these
private
conversations,
even
during
the
approval
process,
once
it
got
out
of
the
pnz
board's
hands,
we
had
a
tremendous
amount
of
new
information
that
came
to
the
commission
that
didn't
go
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
we
had
things
dropped
on
our
desk.
A
That
the
day
of
the
meeting
expecting
us
to
accept
that
into
evidence.
As
part
of
the
meeting
we
hadn't
even
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it.
So
I
don't
mind
focusing
on
Anclote
Harbor,
there's
it's
as
very
fruitful.
You
know
project
that
process
that
happened,
but
I'm
just
simply
trying
to
spread
our
spread.
Our
interest
a
little
bit
to
see
where
maybe
some
other
projects,
especially
one
other
one,
was
similar
to
that
and
that
what
you
saw
in
Anclote
Harbor
was
not
isolated
to
that.
A
E
Okay
appreciate
that
yeah.
My
understanding
is
that
this
was
the
special
counsel
was
hired
to
investigate
the
whole
process
of
the
angle,
Harbor
situation,
not
other
processes
that
weren't
in
place
or
happen,
and
things
along
designs
with
City
staff
or
whatever
the
different
things.
B
E
If
there's
a,
if
there's
a
desire
to
look
into
other
things,
I
think
that's
the
thing
that
the
Board
needs
to
discuss
as
a
whole
and
then
find
another
set
of
money
to
to
allocate
time
for
that
is
it
through?
Is
it
utilizing
the
new
City
attorney,
that's
going
to
be
hired
here
in
the
near
future,
or
is
it
the
best
case
to
utilize
no.
A
No
on
that
point,
I,
agree,
I,
think
I
think
that
some
of
the
comments
are
far
beyond
what
I
think.
Even
what
I
was
discussing
was
identifying
certain
things
that
are
somewhat
characteristic.
That
of
that
should
keep
from
happening.
I.
Think
some
of
the
things
that
were
mentioned
tonight.
We
could
deal
with
ourselves
at
a
later
date
outside
the
scope
of
the
special
counsel.
I,
think
that's
what
you're
saying.
E
B
A
C
Agree
with
commissioner
I
think
we
should
keep
the
focus
pretty
much
on
what
transpired,
with
Anclote
Harbor
I,
can't
say
whether
the
commissions
or
prior
commissions,
whether
the
what
happened
to
two
angload
Harbor
or
surrounding
Harper's
symptomatic
or
emblematic
or
or
what
I
think.
C
A
C
A
F
I'm
good,
listen,
what
I
would
say
is
there
were
a
lot
of
questions
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
been
a
stone,
not
you
know
overturned
here.
We
have
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I
do
agree
that
we
have
to
kind
of
keep
it
focused.
The
clarification
I'd
like
to
explain
to
Mr
Schwartz
is
is:
is
this?
These
are
parameters
and
if
you
tend
to
see
you're
finding
facts
that
could
lead
outside
the
parameters,
so
do
it,
but
nobody's
asking
you
to
go
back
to
the
1900s
on
that
nobody's.
F
Asking
you
to
readdress
a
Land
Development
code
verbatim.
We
ain't
going
to
have
an
attorney
to
do
that.
I
I
heard
a
lot
of
different
questions.
It
all
should
be
corresponding
to
what
might
have
happened,
possibly
illegal
or
not,
and
I
also
did
notice
that
some
of
the
things
as
Commissioners
were
asking
you
questions.
You
were
writing
them
down
certain
things.
You
were
not
writing
down,
because
those
are
gimmies
that
normally
would
come
with
your
presentation
and
there's
no
need
for
you
to
take
notes
on
that.
F
F
Are
we
entitled
to
retribution
for
staff
wasted
time,
which
is
what
I
heard
a
question
asked
and
I
think
that's
pretty
important
and
not
not
not
so
much
on,
but
on
the
projects
with
developers
monopolize.time,
and
you
will
see
that
in
in
the
emails
that
there
were
comments
made
like
you
know,
we've
been
waiting
for
this
x
amount
of
time.
I
demand
that
you
know
we
should
have
this
by
Wednesday
who
who
would
say
that
to
staff
that
doesn't
work
for
them.
F
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
when
you're
I
heard
people
saying
that
people
working
Sundays
they
were
on
distress,
they
can't
handle
it
all
true,
but
there's
no
place
for
that
to
be
putting
pressure
on.
Another
thing
is
what
I'd
like
you
to
really
key
in
on?
F
F
Some
of
the
speech
that
we
had
here
about
quasi-judicial
and,
as
the
mayor
said,
he
was
the
only
one
that
put
any
onus
into
the
findings
of
fact.
The
criteria
that
was
presented
because
I
was
here
for
every
meeting
was
all
generalizations.
F
Is
that
how
we
I
know
our
attorney
could
describe
how
quasi-judicial
is,
but
could
it
be
illegal
to
just
say
things
like
yeah,
the
height
fits
the
other
Heights
in
the
area,
because
that
was
one
of
the
comments
said.
There
are
no
other
Heights
in
that
area
that
correspond
to
this
project.
So
that's
not
true.
F
So
that's
saying
things
incorrectly.
Is
that
an
issue-
and
there
were
many
like
that,
so
you
also
I
do
believe
on
a
vote
as
as
crucial
as
this.
With
that
much
money.
Every
commissioner
should
have
explained
in
findings
of
fact
how
they
could
justify
their
decision.
According
to
the
criteria
that
was
presented,
which
was
not
done,
it
was
I,
don't
even
know
how
to
describe
it.
It
was
piecemeal.
F
F
All
the
questions
are
really
good
questions,
but
some
of
them
don't
pertain
to
this
matter,
so
you
have
to
make
some
discretion
discretionary
decisions
on
not
to
get
caught
going
down
into
rabbit
holes,
but
that's
what
I
think
your
expertise
is
in
and
I
appreciate
that
everybody
has
their
wish
list
of
what
happened
and
but
I
would
like
you
to
zero
in
on.
Like
I
said
earlier,
what
was
possibly
fraud?
What
was
illegal,
what
was
legal,
you're.
F
Yes,
but
if
you,
if,
honestly,
if
you're
going
to
find
something
in
the
course
I
would
like
you
to
make
it
a
way,
you
make
us
aware
of
it,
so
that
if
we
do
have
to
spend
for
it,
in
addition
on
another
issue,
I
I'm
not
looking
I'm
looking
for
transparency,
I
ran
on
transparency,
I
want
transparency
and
I.
Believe
everybody
up
here
would
like
that
too.
F
We
didn't
see
that
transparency
in
in
the
prior
situation,
and
that
is
probably
the
biggest
key
to
what
things
were
being
done
in
what
they
call
a
Haymaker,
so
I
think
that
pretty
much
okay
covers
mine.
F
G
I
did
want
to
follow
up
with
what
commissioner-elect
cooliana
said.
I
am
interested
to
see
when
everything's
researched
is
there
enough
evidence
for
a
recall
or
a
re-vote
for
consideration
of
that
project.
G
A
That
Oh,
you
mean
the
to
pay
extra
money
to
get
the
study
done
more
quickly.
E
G
Yes,
that
was
overlooked,
and
just
the
comprehensive
plan,
like
I,
said
it's.
The
constitution
in
which
Our
Land
Development
code
is
used
for
at
what
point
during
the
transition
of
the
elected
officials
on
this
board
should
or
shouldn't
have
our
City
attorney
disclosed
the
overall
interaction
of
this
application
and
just
protecting
the
city
it's.
G
G
So
just
your
processes
and
looking
over
it
all
and
I'll
have
when
we
have
our
our
101
I'll,
be
able
to
comment
more
towards
what
what
I
believed
I've
learned
in
the
ethics
training
and
how
it
can
be
applied
to
this
unique
and
special
situation.
Thank
you.
All.
A
Right
thanks,
commissioner
Cooley
I'm
smiling
because
I
got
a
public
records
request
today
from
the
Morgan
groups.
Attorneys
I
got
one
on
the
16th.
None
of
you
guys
have
gotten
anything
and
I'm
trying
to
keep
a
lid
on
things
and,
and
you
guys
are
pushing
hard
so
I'm,
proud
of
you,
I'm
really
proud
of
you.
So
that's
you
need
to
speak
your
mind
and
that's
what
you're
doing
so
I'm
very
happy
about
that.
H
Grandstand,
you
know,
I
I,
hear
what
you
guys
are
saying
and
I
don't
know.
If.
A
H
You
mean
by
you
guys
you,
you
group
so
I
if
and
I'm,
not
sure,
if
I
thought
we
were
like
free-flowing
conversation
here
so
I
can.
H
I
can
say
you
guys
go
ahead,
so
the
you
know
you,
you
were
talking
about
rabbit
holes
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
hope
that
some
of
the
things
I
said
you
weren't
taking
as
rabbit
holes,
because
I
think
this
I
think
when
you
get
into
this
you're,
going
to
see
that
this
is
a
case
of
lack
of
transparency
right.
H
Okay
and
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
that,
as
you're
going
through
this
process,
that
where
you
have
recommendations
for
us
on
policy,
ordinance,
Charter
changes,
I'm,
not
asking
you
to
draft
all
those
and
spend
the
time
to
do
that,
but
in
your
in
your
recommendations
and
I'm
sure
that
your
report's
going
to
have
a
whole
list
of
recommendations
that,
as
you
come
across
those
those
things
that
can
fundamentally
be
done.
That
can
prevent
this
from
happening
in
the
future.
H
Okay,
these,
the
these
and
I'm,
not
even
saying
that
any
of
this
profiteering
is
illegal
at
all,
I,
don't
I,
don't
and
I,
probably
don't
even
think
it
is
I,
just
think
it's
problematic
and
and
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
address
that.
You
know
my
my
brother
Tom
worked
at
the
Environmental,
Protection,
commission
and
I
think
he
I
think
it
was
commissioner
Platt
I
guess
who
had
they
had
issues
similar
issues
where
developers
were
working.
H
You
know
on
the
side
and
getting
stuff
and-
and
this
and
the
citizens
didn't
know
about
projects
until
much
later
in
in
the
process,
and
so
they
they
had
a
system
where
they
had
to
make.
They
had
to
register
that
these
people
had
to
register
as
lobbyists
do
and
record
all
their
meetings
in
city
hall,
and
then
those
records
were
part
of
were
public
record
so
that
the
public
anyone
could
could
have
access
to
them
and
find
out
who's
at
City
Hall.
What
are
they
talking
about?
H
What's
going
on
so
so,
even
those
basic
things
and
I
know
we
could
do
those
and
we
don't
need
Carlton
Fields,
but
as
they're
going
through
this
they're,
going
to
see
that
those
things
because
include
Harbor
I,
don't
care
if
they
go
off
the
ankle
Harbor
ankle
Harbor
is
fine
because
it's
I
think
it's
a
perfect
example
of
this
problem
right.
We
know
that
we
had
years
of
of
of
no
transparency.
We
know
we
had
Commissioners
and
agents
involved
financially
in
the
projects.
H
We
know
those
things
were
going
on
again:
illegal
I
have
no
idea,
problematic.
I,
think
we
can
all
agree
they're
problematic
and
again.
How
do
we
prevent
this
stuff
from
happening
in
the
future?
So
we
get
good
government
in
in
Tarpon
Springs
and
we
know
that
projects
are
being
passed
and
worked
on
on
their
merits
and
not
based
on
on
influence
and
getting
special
treatment.
Because
of
that
influence.
F
So
now
that
you've
heard
about
our
Santa's
wish
list,
one
of
the
questions
I
asked
you
earlier
was:
how
often
excuse
me
will
we
be
updated
and
from
there
I
think
when
we
get
an
update,
we
could
then
fine-tune
and
choose
which
way
we're
going
to
go
so
that
I
think
is
a
very
important
decision
that
you
have
to
give
us
once
you
get
through
the
first
couple
of
bites
of
this.
So
let.
F
A
What
we're
doing
I
mean
that's
a
very
good
point
and
you
know
that's
Mr
Schwartz
and
Ms
Hoyle
or
that's
going
to
be
their.
This
isn't
the
first
time
they've
gone
through
this,
so
I'm
sure
they're,
going
to
boil
down
to
what
they're,
hearing
and
I'm
sure
they've
heard
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
things
that
we've
said
by
other
commissions
and
other
governmental
agencies
talking
the
same
way.
But
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
the
only
concern
I
have
was
focusing
in
on
one
project.
A
Is
that
I
don't
want
their
later
to
be?
It
said
that
this
was
a
one-time
project.
It
only
happened
on
that
project
didn't
happen
any
other
time,
and
we
don't
expect
that
I,
don't
believe.
That's
true
I
believe
it's
happened
in
other
cases
and
I
think
that's
the
way
it
was
at
City
Hall.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
flesh
out
by
expanding
this
to
at
least
one
other
agreement
which
was
quasi-judicial
was
include
Harbor.
The
street
vacation
fee
was
a
a
legislative
action.
A
It
involved
the
same
people,
the
same
staff,
the
same
attorneys
and
but
it
was
a
different
sort
of
approach,
but
in
the
one
case
it
was
done
for
one
project
that
saved
the
developer.
Ninety
thousand
dollars.
If
the
interest
was
to
forego
that
money,
there
was
another
way
of
doing
it
without
changing
the
ordinance
but
I,
don't
know
why
that
it
didn't
get
pursued
that
way.
Maybe
the
Optics
weren't
good.
The
commission
didn't
want
to
do
it
if
the
commission
knew
about
it.
A
In
the
other
case,
it
was
a
lot
of
teeing
up
and
and
I
and
I
used.
The
word
legal
wrangling
there's
absolutely
nothing
wrong
with
that.
That's
what
you
hire
good
attorneys
for
that's
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
But
I
think
that
when
you
have
high-powered
attorneys
talking
to
mid-level
managers,
getting
ideas
of
how
to
well
good
approach,
things
I
think
that's
a
problem
without
our
City
attorney.
Knowing
about
it,
for
example,
I
think
that's
a
problem,
yeah
and
and
I
I.
That's
the
quasi-judicial
part.
A
C
Was
a
second,
my
theory
about
the
other
case
is
that
this
change
to
the
vacation
rules
were
made
under
the
auspice
of
helping
out
the
Housing
Authority,
but
because
they're
obviously
capable
of
really
long-term
planning.
It
was
done
for
other
reasons,
like
oh
I,
don't
know,
maybe
vacating
Hayes
Road
without
any
cost
to
the.
B
C
A
Okay,
that's
all
I
I'm
gonna
I'm.
You
know
each
of
us
are
going
to
be
interviewed
individually
by
Carlton
Fields
I'm
I'm,
hoping
you're
telling
me
not
to
not
talk
about
that
other
one,
because
I
want
to
shed
the
similarities
on
that
one
as
the
same
as
what
we
had
with
the
include
Harbor
one.
A
If
that's
okay
with
the
commission
is
there
anything
else,
go
ahead.
Commissioners
I.
F
A
D
I,
you
know,
I
I
think
we
we
can
continue.
I
wanted
to
thank
the
Commissioners
and
commissioner
elect
for
all
their
comments.
It's
been
really
helpful,
I
guess
my
sort
of
initial
reaction
is:
there
is
a
lot
out
there
and
we
probably
are
not
going
to
be
all
things
to
all
people
on
the
commission.
We
are
It's
Our
intention
to
put
together
a
comprehensive
scope
of
work
that
we
can.
D
We
are
pretty
good
at
not
going
down
rabbit
holes,
I'm,
not
saying
we're
perfect,
but
we're
pretty
good
at
it.
So
we
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
idea
as
to
what
we're
focused
on.
We
certainly
want
to
get
some
answers
to
the
citizens
of
Tarpon,
that's
our
main
goal
and
we
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
what
we
would
propose
to
do
is
let
us
go
back
put
get
our
thoughts
together,
incorporate
the
comments
that
we
have
to
come
up
with.
D
D
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
proceed
from
here
on
in
and
then
and
then
we
would
start
the
process
and
the
process
would
be,
among
other
things,
getting
documents
and
starting
to
talk
to
each
of
you,
commissioner
Riser
you
had
commented
on
sort
of
who
the
players
are,
and
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
to
have
I.
Don't
know
the
best
way
to
do
that.
But
if
there's
a
way
to
shortcut
it
I
would
save
us
a
lot
of
time.
D
You
owe
a
lot
of
money
to
do
that
so
I
have
it
written?
Well,
if
you
have
it
tonight,
we'll
take
it.
So
you
know
we
want
to
get
started
as
soon
as
possible.
That
will
actually
probably
help
us
with
our
scope
of
work.
Also
so
Mr
Mayor,
that's
sort
of
what
I
would
propose
to
do
at
this
point.
A
Okay,
as
far
as
a
time
frame
for
the
scope
of
work
and
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
we've
got
the
resolution,
there's
a
draft
resolution
that
I
think
is
going
to
require
a
little
bit
of
rework
from
what
I'm
hearing
tonight
to
kind
of
focus
in
just
a
bit
more
on
on
the
Anclote
Harbor
project
and
kind
of
dispense
with
some
of
these
other
things.
A
That's
the
sense,
I
get
that
the
commission
wants
to
do
and
and
we're
planning
on
bringing
that
back
Tuesday
night
on
the
24th
for
consideration
approval
by
the
commission,
and
that
would
be
the
community
formally
establishing
you
as
the
special
counsel
and
also
commissioning
your
your
work
and
also
providing
you
the
authority.
You
need
to
act
on
our
behalf,
that's
the
resolution
and
if
you
could
provide
us
a
draft
scope
of
work
that.
D
A
Necessarily
have
to
be
approved
that
night,
but
we
can
certainly
talk
about
it,
and
then
there
may
be
some
aspects
that
there
would
be
General
agreement
that
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
helpful
to
release
for
you
to
get
started
on.
I
know
we're
talking
about
an
eight-month
still
about
an
eight-month
period,
roughly
plus
or
minus.
As
far
as
the
work
goes.
So
do
you
think
that
you
would
have
a
draft
by
Tuesday
based
on
what
you're
hearing
this
evening,
I.
A
A
Yeah,
it's
important
for
the
residents
to
see
that
that's
the
night
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
comment
on
this
and
and
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
we've
had
in
the
past-
is
getting
them
information
soon
enough.
So
no.
A
D
No
I
mean
you
know,
part
of
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
Part
of
that
really
for
us
today
was
to
listen.
We
want
to
listen
to
everybody's
wish
list
and,
and
put
it
together,
put
a
scope
of
work
together
that
we
think
is
workable,
so
everyone's
not
going
to
get
what
they
wish
for,
but
but
we're
going
to
do
what
the
best
we
can
for
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
is
is
what
I
would
say
within
the
you
know.
What's
workable
within
the
budget,
I
mean
if
we
had
an
unlimited
budget.
D
A
A
You
know,
I
had
a
brief
conversation
about
that
of
approaching
the
the
amount
of
the
fee
that
we
agreed
to
160
thousand
dollars
and
and
for
whatever
reason
you
identify
something
that
may
be
extremely
pertinent
to
this,
but
you're
not
able
to
do
that
within
that
cost
that
we
had
agreed
to
and
I
I
suggested
to
Mr
Schwartz
I
invited
him
to
come
back,
and
we
should
talk
about
that,
rather
than
just
finishing
it
up
for
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
leaving
it
with
some
unanswered
questions.
A
On
the
other
hand,
there
may
be
some
things
there
that
you
heard
this
evening
once
you
you
kind
of
look
at
it.
There
may
not
be
anything
there
and
it
would
be
a
waste
of
your
time
to
be
pursuing
something
or
trying
to
actually
create
something
on
something:
that's
not
there
too
and
and
I.
Think,
if
that's
the
case,
I
think
it
would
be
incumbent
on
your
part
to
let
us
know
and
I'm
sure
it
would.
A
D
D
I
think
I
guess
the
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
commissioner
Roger.
You
asked
about
sort
of
timing,
this
to
updates
I,
don't
know
when
that's
going
to
be
I,
I
guess
I
would
say.
Certainly
there's
something
significant
that
comes
up
I
want
to
think
about
it
too,
you
know,
is
there
should
we
do
it
on
a
sort
of
a
a
scheduled
basis?
We
can
talk
about
that
too.
One
one
thing
I
will
say,
though,
is
if
we
do
find
something
significant
and
we
think
it
is
still
going
on
right.
D
There's
a
question
is
this:
still?
Is
this
process
or
procedure
still
going
on
and
we
think
that
is
problematic,
we'll
identify
it
immediately.
So
we're
not
going
to
wait
until
the
end
of
this
eight
months
later
to
say:
hey
this
has
been
going
on.
You
should
have
fixed
this
before
we'll
at
least
bring
it
to
the
attention
of
the
Commissioners
so
that
you
all
can
deal
with
it.
A
Mr
Schwartz
I
think
commissioner
I
I
Eisner
asked
the
question.
I
I
think
I
I
want
to
get
the
answer
to
that
which
I
think
you
can
answer
conversations
and
and
I.
Think,
commissioner,
like
coulianos
brought
this
up,
commissioner
or
conversations
are
in
this
particular
setting
that
we've
got
you
as
a
special
counsel
are
attorney-client
privilege.
Communications
conversations
is
that
correct?
Do
you
mean
the
one-on-ones
101.
D
A
A
D
A
E
H
E
About
so
for
further
clarification
since
you're
hired
by
the
the
city
itself,
is
it
privileged
for
City
staff
in
the
conversations
as
well
too,
not
just
the
Commissioners
that
are
speaking
with
you
I
guess
that
would
be
an
additional
question
that
would
be
good
to
know
as
well
too
yeah.
C
Or
our
soil,
yeah
I
have
one
additional
question:
I,
don't
believe
that
go
ahead.
One
of
the
Key
Personnel
in
this,
especially
in
the
early
times,
is
no
longer
one
of
our
employees.
C
D
A
I,
maybe
if
you
could
you're
you're
not
interested
in,
let
me
just
keep
it
simple,
you're,
not
interested
in
hurting
her.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
I.
A
A
Okay,
yeah
I
just
want
some
clarification
on
that
because
there's
you
know
along
those
lines,
we've
got
some
fairly
I,
don't
want
to
call
they're,
they're
senior,
but
they're,
not
department,
head
they're,
not
Charter
official
individuals
that
were
involved
in
conversations
with
the
outside
attorney
that
you
know
one
of
them
was
a
developer
and
I.
Think
from
my
perspective,
it's
unfair
and
no
matter
how
it
happened
to
put
that
person
that
position.
A
So
if
something
comes
out
that
maybe
something
isn't
right
in
that
regard,
I
would
hope
and
I'm
not
asking
for
any
kind
of
decision.
I
would
hope
that
there
would
be
some
consideration
on
this
commission
that
it
wasn't
entirely
that
person's
problem,
given
that
that
person
may
be
worrying
about
her
job
and
that's
our.
C
D
G
I
just
want
to
clarify
with
this
board,
with
the
the
scope
of
work
and
I
know
we
we
were
talking
about
the
special
counselors
focusing
on
ankle,
harbors
and
mayor.
You
brought
up
the
the
other
issue,
that's
intertwined
with
the
vacation
fee,
so
I
do
want
to
support
the
mayor
and
having
the
vacation
fee
looked
into
as
well
and
hoping.
If
we
can
get
that,
you
know
support
from
one
more
commissioner,
that
could
be
included
in
the
scope
of
work
to
come
back.
Tuesday.
A
Thank
you.
Is
it
okay
to
include
the
the
street
vacation
fee,
I
think
that's.
H
A
Mr
Schwartz
and
the
resolution
you're
going
to
be
given
your
point
of
contacts,
the
Paul
Smith
who's,
the
acting
city
manager
this
evening
will
be
your
point
of
contact
for
interviews
with
City
staff
and
also
scheduling
future
commission
meetings.
Should
you
feel
that
that's
going
to
be
the
case,
I'm
saying
this
for
the
purpose
of
the
commission
Ms
Jacobs?
Is
our
public
records
custodian?
She
can
get
you
anything
you
want.
A
If
she
doesn't
have
it
in
hand,
she
could
go
to
the
department
that
that
needs
it
and
then
Miss
Lewis
I,
know
you've
already
spoken
to
Ms
Lewis
about
the
billing
and
invoicing
approach
to
take
on
that
which
she
would
be
your
point
of
contact
on
that,
but
that'll
all
be
in
the
resolution
and
and
that'll
be
for
next
Tuesday
night.
Does
any
commissioner
feel
that
Mr,
Schwartz
or
Ms
Hall
needs
to
be
here
for
that,
for
which,
for.
D
I,
don't
think
so.
Just
thank
everybody
for
your
time
and
your
comments,
you
know
and
we're
going
to
do
the
best
job
that
we
can
for
the
citizens.
Darpa.
Okay,.
D
A
You
Miss
oil.
Thank
you
very
much.
Let's
go
to
that
inside
agenda
item
and
again
for
the
public.
What
you
heard
tonight
is
going
to
be
a
fair
game
for
next
Tuesday
night
to
be
able
to
get
up
and
and
make
your
comments
and
and
weigh
in
on
this.
Nothing
is
cast
in
stone
if
you
feel
that
there's
something
else
that
needs
to
be
looked
at,
please
let
us
know,
I
know
that
this
commission
is
fairly
receptive
to
What
the
residents
want,
and
the
would
be
some
consideration
given
to
that.
B
A
No
I,
don't
think
so.
I
I
think
that
I'm
not
sure
you're
you're
I'm
just
going
to
indulge
the
the
procedure
here.
A
little
bit.
You're,
not
envisioning
us
to
approve
the
final
that
night
you're
just
going
to
provide
us
a
draft.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay,
I,
don't
think
so.
We
can
have
a
conversation
and
pick
up
with
you
after
that.
Yes,
that
makes
sense.
Okay
by
the
way
there
were
a
lot
of
things
said
tonight.
The
good
news
is
it's
on
video.
A
C
C
Our
intent
here,
I,
don't
think
overall,
is
to
really
go
on
a
a
head
hunt.
What
we
want
to
bring
is
transparency
to
something
that
was
obfuscated
for
so
long
and
you
know
sort
of
let
the
chips
fall
where
they
may.
But
you
need
to
know
that
we're
doing
this,
not
because
we're
all
upset
with
the
previous
Council
on
a
personal
basis,
we're
doing
this,
because
the
people
of
Tarpon
Springs
need
answers.
They
need
transparency
in
the
government
and
they
need
to
know
that
we're
standing.
A
Up
for
them,
thank
you.
Okay,
commissioner
Carr,
commissioner
Eisner.
F
I
agree
with
what
vice
mayor
just
said.
In
addition,
I
also
ran
on
transparency.
I
did
test
lying
and,
if
that's
what
we
find
so
be
it
if
we
find
that
things
were
done
on
the
up
and
up
I
will
accept
that
as
well.
I
believe
that
the
residents
have
a
fair
should
have
a
fair
shot
at
having
a
representation
of
of
good
people
that
are
there
to
better
their
life
and
not
to
better
Our
Lives.
F
That's
a
private
thing,
so
I
I,
just
I,
did
see
enough.
That
actually
made
me
want
to
run
for
office.
This
wasn't
a
choice
of
mine
on
the
onset
I.
Did
this
as
a
give
back
to
the
residents?
I
love
talking,
Springs
and
I
will
die,
trying
to
save
it.
A
Comments,
I
can
give
you
a
sword
and
you
can
fall
on
the
sword
if
you'd,
like
commissioner-elect
coolianus,
your
first
chance
yeah.
H
H
H
Show
me
and
and
also
Jacob
commissioner
Carr
is
has
always
been
gracious
to
me
and
you
know
I'm
kind
of
stepping
in
his
in
his
sphere,
even
because
he's
still
here
and
then
here,
I
am
coming
coming
up
as
the
the
new
kid,
even
though
I'm
like
30
years
older
than
you,
but
but
anyways
I
want
to
thank
you
for
always
being
gracious
to
me
so
and-
and
you
know,
I've
said
this
in
out
in
the
public
I
I.
H
Don't
really
want
anybody
going
off
in
handcuffs
I,
don't
want
anybody,
disbarred,
I,
don't
want
I,
don't
want
anybody
having
ethical
problems.
That's
that
causes
them.
You
know
to
to
hurt
them.
I
just
think
the
process
was
is
flawed.
H
I
think
that
we
need
to
become
a
better
government
and
to
do
things
that
help
us
and
that's
why
I
want
you
to
as
you're
going
through
your
process
is
helping
us
to
to
make
our
government
better
going
forward
and
again
I
I,
don't
want
retribution
I,
don't
want
your
report
to
be
some
kind
of
a
weapon
I
want
it
to
be
helpful
to
making
our
city
better.
So
thank
you.
A
I,
don't
think
anybody
expected
this
when
they
took
office
and
I
certainly
didn't
expect
it
and
I
want
to
make
sure
the
residents
know
and
I
I'm
going
to
I'm
speaking
for
myself,
probably
for
the
other
Commissioners
too
I.
Don't
think
anybody
relishes
the
situation
we're
in
right
now.
You
know
we
didn't
bring
it
here.
We
didn't,
we
didn't
force
include
Harvard,
we
didn't
force
the
Morgan
group
to
come
here.
People
were
involved
knew
exactly
what
they
were
going
to
be
getting
into
based
on
the
Walmart
project.
A
So
you
know
I
I'm,
not
sure,
I,
understand
the
the
kind
of
the
rationale
on
some
of
the
folks
involved
in
this
matter.
As
far
as
the
the
emotion
that
would
bring
out
in
the
public
concerning
this
project
and
I
recognized
the
former
commission,
the
individuals
had
to
deal
with
that,
and
maybe
if
they
knew
what
was
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
if
they
didn't
know
already,
maybe
the
outcome
would
have
been
different.
A
You
know
I'm
going
to
be
here
for
two
years
and
four
months
longer
and
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we're
dealing
with
right
now
are
going
to
outlive
me
as
mayor
I've
got
I
had
one
term
as
commissioner
and
one
term
as
city
as
a
mayor,
and
so
it's
just
that's
how
slow
the
wheels
of
government
work
these
days,
whereas
25
years
ago,
things
did
a
lot
went
a
lot
faster.
A
Last
25
years
ago
we
did
the
dredging,
in
three
years,
I'm
being
told
now
we're
working
on
our
seventh
or
eighth
year
of
trying
to
get
the
dredging
done.
My
focus
is
not
on
this
dredging.
My
focus
is
on
purchasing
or
finding
a
disposal
pond,
so
we
can
tee
up,
get
ready
for
the
next
stretch
to
keep
our
Channel
open
in
the
future,
not
just
this
next
time
that
we're
doing
right
now.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
on
the
table
that
we
need
to
get
going
to
I.
A
Don't
think
any
commissioner
mentioned
this
tonight,
but
the
one
real
value
of
the
special
counsel
is
to
take
this
matter
out
of
our
hands.
You
know
put
it
in
their
hands,
hopefully
not
hear
too
much
about
this
publicly
or
at
least
from
the
standpoint
of
agenda
items
that
we'll
be
dealing
with
they'll,
be
looking
at
this
rate
months
and
eight
months
are
going
to
come
back
and
tell
us
whether
what
needs
to
be
done,
what
their
findings
were
were
the
policy
changes
need
to
be
made
in
order
to
keep
things
things
from
happening
again.
A
I
think,
once
that
happens,
the
city
is
going
to
be
much
better
off
and
I'm,
hoping
over
this
next
eight
months,
we'll
be
able
to
focus
on
these
things
that
are
more
important
to
the
residents,
one
in
particular
fixing
the
intersection
of
spring
Boulevard
and
I'm.
Okay
before
the
bridge
gets
started
next
December
I
mean
we'll
be
having
a
a
workshop,
January
31st
on
nothing,
but
projects
and
Mr
Smith's
going
to
be.
A
A
Being
here,
I
didn't
Envision
it
when
I
was
becoming
when
I,
when
I
wanted
to
be
mayor,
but
I'm
here
and
I'm,
dealing
with
it
and
I'm
very
proud
of
this
commission
and
and
quite
frankly,
if
their
issue
is
include
Harbor
and
they
want
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
it.
They've
got
every
right
to
do
that
and
they're
speaking
their
minds
so
that
that's
what
residents
need
to
hear
exactly.