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Before
we
get
started,
I
have
one
announcement
item.
14
is
deferred
that
is
ordinance
2023-1
amending
the
public
art
ordinance,
that's
deferred
to
February,
14
2023.
A
This
evening
we
have
a
special
presentation
by
our
Tarpon
Springs
High
School
principal
Mrs,
Lisa
fatalitis.
This
is
an
annual
update
that
his
family
just
gives
the
city,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
her
being
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
E
E
E
As
I
stand
before
you
this
evening,
I
definitely
need
to
share
some
regards.
It's
definitely
a
proud
moment
to
be
a
sponger.
Some
of
the
information
I'm
going
to
be
sharing
tonight
really
resonates.
Thank
you
all
about
the
good
that's
happening
at
Tarpon,
high
school
and
also
some
of
the
growth
and
areas
that
we
need
to
focus
on,
so
I
will
be
highlighting
several
of
those
also
giving
a
glimpse
into
what
our
next
year
slate
looks
like
so
very
excited
to
share
some
academic
improvements.
E
E
We
also
have
a
very
positive
and
loving
community-based
support,
and
all
of
the
above
cannot
be
possible
without
all
of
us,
working
together
as
the
collective
we
so
I
do,
extend
heartfelt
gratitude
on
behalf
of
the
faculty
staff
and
students
for
your
community-based
support
and
all
of
the
community
members
of
Tarpon
Springs
Tarpon
High.
We
have
a
vision
and
the
vision
is
very
simple:
100
Student
Success.
So
all
of
our
decisions,
all
of
our
allocations,
our
resources
all-
are
partnered
around
100,
Student
Success.
E
So
every
student,
every
family
on
campus
gets
the
resources
and
the
attention
they
need.
In
order
to
be
successful,
we
have
nine
School
Improvement
goals.
So
every
year
in
August
we
set
the
we
set
our
foundation,
we
set
our
benchmarks
and
we
have
nine
School
Improvement
goals
and
so
on
the
handout
on
page
one.
E
So,
as
we
work
on
maintaining
an
academic
Focus,
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
our
students
do
feel
and
live
The
Passion
of
being
a
tarpon
High
Spender
I'm,
going
to
take
you
over
to
page
three
in
the
in
the
top
handout.
This
is
the
mid-year
update
and
it
starts
with
a
couple
of
data
points.
So
right
now
our
enrollment
is
at
1300
students,
and
that
includes
both
our
active
and
inactive
students.
E
E
E
U.S
history
fell
a
little
short
48
percent,
with
the
district
average
at
57
percent
biology.
We
are
the
front
runner
of
the
district
with
our
biology
scores,
I'm,
proud
to
share
a
69
percent
at
the
midterm,
with
the
district
average
at
59
percent,
a
graduation
rate,
98
percent
and
our
accelerated
rate.
So
right.
There
shows
you
that
86
percent
of
our
students,
Over
a
four-year
period,
earned
industry,
certification
and
or
college
credit,
and
that
is
up
almost
24
from
last
year.
E
So
right
now,
if
we
were
to
make
a
report
card,
Tarpon
high
would
be
well
on
its
way
to
earning
an
a
so
very
proud
of
that.
I
want
to
share
the
central
five
elements
that
we
will
be
working
on
in
the
next
12
weeks
and
hopefully
continue
on
into
May,
which
is
our
state
testing
Paramount,
remaining
current
with
course,
pacing
plan
for
reteaching
of
any
missed
curriculum
items
based
on
the
data
that
I
shared
above
so
any
of
the
benchmarks
which
fell
lower
than
where
we
needed
to
be.
E
We
definitely
don't
want
to
wait
until
next
year
to
worry
about
our
11th
graders,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
exciting
opportunities
academically
for
students
and
now
I
want
to
Pivot
a
little
bit
and
just
share
some
points
of
Pride
before
we
close
or
early
for
questions,
we've
been
working
really
to
promote
a
positive
community-based
culture.
On
campus,
where
staff
is
recognizing
staff
for
core
values
that
align
with
Pinellas
County
Schools
core
values,
it's
had
a
strong
strong
takeoff
and
we're
very
proud.
E
E
We
have
strong
parent
community
support
and
we
see
that
with
our
booster
clubs
with
our
band
boosters
football,
boosters,
basketball,
boosters,
volleyball
and
culinary
in
Coral,
repeat
Spirit
weeks.
Musical
theater
program
is
taking
traction.
I
know
some
of
you
had
probably
seen
that
we
had
a
winter
musical
Frozen
and
we
also
have
another
one
up
and
coming
Greece,
which
will
be
in
the
spring.
E
E
A
I
very
much
appreciate
you
being
here
from
my
experience
over
the
last
eight
months
since
I've
been
mayor,
I
very
much
enjoyed
every
opportunity
that
you've
provided
of
inviting
us
out
to
the
high
school
and
seeing
how
things
work
out
there,
whether
it's
with
a
band
or
whether
it's
a
culinary
art
luncheons,
whether
it's
just
some
interaction
with
a
parents
that
you've
got
to
show
and
tell
that
happens
out
there.
And
you
want
the
city
to
be
part
of
that.
A
To
see
experience,
the
same
sort
of
thing
and
quite
frankly,
it
just
basically
says
that
Tarpon
high
is
very
much
a
part
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
the
one
thing
that
that
is
much
different.
At
least
based
on
my
observation.
You've
got
a
great
deal
more
of
parent
participation
in
the
children's
lives,
not
helicopter
parents,
but
being
doing
whatever
they
can
to
help
make
the
child's
experience
a
lot
better
at
high
school
than
if
without
them
being
there,
and
it
just
shows
them
support.
A
And-
and
you
can
see
that
a
lot
of
happy
children
out
there
I'm
not
saying
it's
perfect.
We
all
recognize
that's
a
real
real
world
out
here,
but
for
the
most
part,
whenever
I've
been
out
there
I've
been
very,
very
happy
to
see
all
of
that.
The
I
also
very
much
enjoy
seeing
the
connection
with
the
Advent
house.
Hospital
I
think
the
more
we
can
do
of
of
connecting
with
the
various
large
organizations
within
the
city.
The
better
off.
A
We
all
are
communicating
trying
to
understand
what
you,
what
each
other's
problems
are,
seeing,
how
we
can
help
and
and
basically
exchange
information
just
to
make
things
better
for
all
of
us
than
if
there's
any
problems
that
we
have.
Maybe
somebody
else
can
help
with
that.
So
I
really
don't
have
any
questions
for
you,
I
just
yeah.
A
G
E
Do-
and
we
have
a
very
special,
it's
just
very
special
and
and
I
say
that
with
a
with
a
wholesome
heart,
because
not
every
principal
can
really
say
that
about
their
school,
to
have
a
true
community
school
and
have
the
support
from
the
local
municipality
and
a
very
interconnected
way,
and
so
many
of
the
things
that
we
continue
to
do
aren't
all
listed
here.
We
have
some
wonderful
organizations
that
we
partner
with
like
the
interact
and
the
rotary.
E
We
will
be
co-sponsoring
the
human
trafficking
Workshop
in
February
and
we're
very
pleased
to
join
again
for
our
second
year
in
a
row
and
Tarpon
PD
I
do
extend
a
at
heartfelt
thank
you
for
all
the
support
our
school
wants
for
nothing
when
it
comes
to
student
and
staff,
safety
and
and
I
would
thank
you
for
that.
A
Let
me
see
if
anyone
else
up
here
has
got
some
comments.
I
I
know,
for
example,
commissioner
Eisner
didn't
graduate
from
Tarpon
high.
He
was
up
there
in
the
Bronx
somewhere
when,
when
we
were
in
high
school
but
I
know
he's
worked
at
the
high
school,
so
I'm
going
to
go
down
by
rank
here.
Vice
Mr
Carr.
H
Yeah
thanks
for
the
update
principal
fatalitis,
it's
obviously
Tarpon
high
is
not
just
a
normal
high
school.
That's
in
the
county
of
Pinellas
County,
it's
really
and
woven
within
the
character
of
Tarpon
Springs,
and
it's
really
great
to
see
the
community
outreach
and
the
community
involvement
within
Tarpon
High
and
the
students
as
well
too.
So
the
update
is
great
to
have
I
appreciate
the
update.
It's
good
to
see
the
Scholastics
are
heading
in
a
great
direction,
also
with
sports
and
other
activities
for
students
as
well
too.
I
Commissioner
Eisner,
you
are
correct,
mayor
I
did
not
graduate
from
Tarpon
high,
but
I've
been
there
enough
to
feel
like
I'm
part
of
the
school
I
did
want
you
to
touch
base
a
little
bit
with
the
mentoring
program
and
what
that
means.
You
know
with
Pinellas
County
and
what
they
do.
If
you
stay
with
a
mentor,
if
you
don't.
E
Mind
yes,
so
the
the
mentorship
program
is
part
of
the
take
stock
in
children
program
which
used
to
be
called
the
doorways
scholarship,
so
students
that
have
earned
a
scholarship
in
middle
school
or
even
early
in
high
school
or
assigned
a
mentor
and
the
mentor
visits
with
them
on
a
minimum
of
once
a
week
and
really
is
their
coach,
is
their
Advocate?
Is
their
Mentor?
E
Is
their
friend
tutor
anything
and
everything
possible
that
that
student
needs
throughout
their
experience
before
they
graduate
and
as
the
student
continues
on
earning
the
certain
grades,
A's
and
B's,
and
refrain
from
any
Progressive
discipline
or
any
intermittent
issues
that
that
might
cause
them
to
lose
their
Scholars
ship
there'd,
be
no
reason
why
the
student
wouldn't
continue
on
with
a
full
scholarship
to
a
four-year
University.
So
we
thank
Mr.
Eisner
I,
see
him
many
a
weeks
on
campus.
I
Well,
thank
you,
and
all
they
had
to
do
was
stay
as
my
mentee.
It
was
the
punishment
they
got
but
all
kidding
aside,
but
if
anybody
would
like
to
do
it
it's
a
great
program,
these
kids
need
some
mentors.
So
if
you
have
that
one
hour
a
week
or
one
hour
every
other
week
to
Mentor
with
these
kids
I
know
my
wife,
does
it
as
well.
I
J
K
Thank
you,
Miss
Fat,
Elise
and
I've
known
this
battles
for
quite
some
time.
She
should
be
our
summer
camp
counselor
and
we
probably
drove
her
crazy
when
we
were
young,
but
I
didn't
have
the
privilege
of
being
in
high
school
when
she
became
principal.
But
these
these
benchmarks
are
amazing.
The
I've
seen
for
myself,
the
the
community
support
and
school
Spirits
at
an
all-time
high
and
seeing
the
community
come
together.
K
F
Okay,
Mr,
of
course,
do
you
have
anything.
L
B
E
E
J
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comments
now.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
anything?
That's
not
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
N
Hi
good
evening,
David
Ballard
Gettys
Jr
I
live
on
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor
down
down
by
that
roundabout
they're
building
to
repeat
myself:
The
Federalist
Papers
in
Federalist
Paper
number
one.
The
very
first
sentence,
Hamilton
abridges
into
a
second
Constitution
The
Federalist
Papers,
reveals
three
constitutions
seen
as
the
former
the
latter
and
the
last
resort.
Article
6
of
this
Constitution
that
we're
in
currently
reveals
this
Constitution
under
this
constitution,
as
under
the
Confederacy.
N
The
The
Federalist
Papers
I
feel
weren't
written
by
Hamilton
in
Madison
I
feel
as
though
The
Federalist
Papers
were
drafted
by
guys
like
Spinoza,
Hobbs,
Descartes,
John,
Locke
and
so
forth.
N
N
N
The
14th
amendment
gives
rise
to
water
jurisdictions
as
a
so-called
due
process
of
this
Constitution
that
we're
in
today
the
14th
Amendment
birthing
of
a
water
jurisdiction
is,
is
navigated
under
maritime
law
like
docking
a
boat
again
we're
birthing
a
ship
of
War
as
stemming
from
Article
1
Section
10
of
the
Constitution,
seen
as
that
water
of
jurisdiction,
which
is
shown
in
the
Declaration
as
being
an
unwarranted
jurisdiction
and
I,
feel
as
though,
with
that
configuration
that
I've
just
shown
here,
the
the
Constitution
that
we're
in
today
is
being
used
as
a
form
of
reprisal.
N
It's
a
medium.
It's
a
letter
of
Marquee
and
delegitimizes
the
powers
that
be
so
to
speak
when
it
comes
to
regards
to
ambassadors
and
and
and
so
forth,
as
referenced
in
article
article
three
of
the
Constitution
that
we
have
some
high
seas:
hypocrisy
going
on
with
the
Constitution
that
needs
to
be
brought
into
light
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
on
this
matter
again,.
M
M
Even
more
exciting
is
the
filing
from
the
Morgan
group's
attorneys
response
in
opposition
to
appellant's
motion
to
enlarge
time
in
which
they
spell
out
how
much
damage
Clay's
lawsuit
is
doing
to
them
and
their
project,
and
this
is
quoted
directly
from
that
document.
Morgan
group
objects
to
that
requested
relief,
which
is
tantamount
to
a
stay
because
the
outcome
of
the
lawsuit
and
this
appeal
directly
impact
Morgan
group's
right
to
use
and
develop
the
subject
property
unless
and
until
the
orders
are
Affirmed,
thereby
concluding
the
litigation.
M
Morgan
group
is
at
risk
in
proceeding
with
its
development
so
where
the
city
voted
and
submitted
a
stay
and
it
was
thrown
out
by
the
court
and
the
concerned,
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs
filed
for
a
stay
and
it
was
thrown
out.
Mr
Coulson
by
their
own
admission,
has
obtained
a
stay
against
the
working
group.
M
O
P
Good
evening,
Peter
delacas,
514,
Ashland,
Avenue
and
I
did
have
a
comment
on
the
presentation,
but
there
was
no
call
for
public
comment
on
that.
So
I
would
like
to
take
30
seconds
of
my
comment
on
that
item
and
then
begin
my
general
public
comment.
So
my
comment
on
the
presentation
by
Ms
fatalitis,
the
school
is
doing
well
and
what
can
we
do
as
a
board
in
the
city
to
help
them
and
again
I'm
going
to
bring
in
front
of
you
a
sports
complex,
Mark
you're
there
I
see
Paul
in
the
audience.
P
Ask
him
about
it.
We
did
a
study
when
I
was
on
the
board
how
to
develop
that
land
into
a
sports
complex.
That's
where
you
can
put
your
lacrosse
Fields,
that's
where
you
can
put
a
swimming
pool
more
centrally
located
for
the
community.
So
those
are
my
comments
about
the
school
now
my
general
comment.
If
my
two
minutes
begin
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
perspective
on
Sunday
January
15th,
there
was
an
article
about
finding
our
happiness
and
one
of
those
was.
These
are
the
least
stressful,
most
meaningful
jobs
in
America
and
I'm.
P
Just
going
to
quote
a
few
lines.
Y'all
can
read
the
whole
thing
yourself,
either
online
or
in
your
hard
copy,
Envy
The
Lumberjacks,
for
they
perform
the
happiest
most
meaningful
work
on
Earth,
or
at
least
they
think
they
do.
Farmers
too
agriculture,
logging
and
Forestry
have
the
highest
levels
of
self-reported
happiness
and
lowest
levels
of
self-reported
stress
of
any
major
industry
category.
P
We've
found
that,
while
your
workplace
looms
is
the
most
single
most
stressful
place
in
the
universe,
The
Great
Outdoors
ranks
in
the
top
three
about
happiness
and
meaning.
Researchers
across
the
social,
immediate,
Medical,
Science
Fields
have
found
a
strong
link
between
mental
health
and
green
space
or
being
outdoors
Dana
Chandler
co-owner
of
family
tree
forestry
in
South
Carolina
compared
work
in
the
forest
not
just
to
therapy,
but
to
aromatherapy
it's
therapy
the
Woods's
therapy.
The
forest
is
therapy.
P
You
can
have
the
worst
day
ever,
but
when
you
get
out
there
the
forest
just
takes
it
away.
Just
as
importantly,
you
know
your
work
is
sustainable,
so
the
point
I'm
making
is
y'all
are
on
a
good
path
towards
preserving
as
much
open
land.
There
will
be
a
couple
items
later
on
the
agenda
with
regards
to
that
that
I'll
speak
later,
but
I
do
want
to
put
front
forth
that
do
due
to
the
fact
that
we
are
so
already
built
out,
it's
even
more
imperative
to
preserve
whatever
Open
Spaces.
P
A
A
You
know:
Salzman
Jensen,
B,
Johnson,
Jackson,
pllc,
item
two
award
file;
number
230086-n-aas
single
Source,
purchase
of
Crystal,
Art,
Exhibit
lighting
services;
item
three
award
file;
number
two:
three:
zero:
zero,
nine
five-n-as
single
Source
purchase
of
Houston
polytank
for
hydrofluor,
solar,
silicic
and
polyethylene
storage
tanks
got
that
one
item:
four
increase
file:
number
220031-n-as
single
Source,
purchase
of
taser
brand
taser
7
conducted
energy
weapons
item;
five
is
award
file,
number
230093-n-as,
single
Source,
purchase
of
orantis,
dual
model;
Club
2550
with
motor
and
space
heater
blower
any
of
the
items
the
Commissioners
wish
to
pull
any
of
the
items.
A
Go
ahead.
Commissioner
number
one
number
one:
anyone
else:
okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion;
I'm;
sorry:
yes,
let's
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
items,
one
three
four
and
five
and
then
we'll
go
to
public
comments
on
anything
there.
No,
not
one.
K
F
A
Any
Commissioners
have
any
comments
on
these
roll
call.
Please.
A
Mayor
Lynn,
yes,
yes,
commissioner
Eisner,
you
pulled
item
one.
Yes,.
I
As
I
do
excuse
me
most
months,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
board
and
the
residents
that
some
of
the
numbers
for
our
attorneys
were
averaged
over
22
000
dollars
per
month,
all
of
year
2022,
and
it
was
11
000
in
October
eleven
thousand
November,
and
this
month
it
came
in
at
six
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
nine
dollars
so
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
make
that
known.
That's
all
I
had
no
nothing
else.
That
I
want
to
say
thank.
F
A
All
right,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
item
one.
M
M
Now
they
did
not
file
a
motion
to
dismiss
the
Morgan
group
did
not.
The
city
did
and
that's
one
that
I
told
you
that
we
would
Prevail
against
because
it
was
so
horribly
written
and
there
were
so
many
mistakes
in
it.
So
I
mean,
if
you
guys
want
to
let
them
keep
doing
that
by
all
means
and
and
Mr
Coulson
will
prevail
entirely,
which.
M
Is
a
a
this:
is
you
just
scroll
down
or
it
is
87.50,
so
it'll
jump
right
out
at
you?
It's
one,
two,
three
four
items
down
no.
A
F
M
It
and
all
I
can
say
is
it
sure,
looks
like
he
allowed
the
developer
to
draft
the
motion
that
the
city
filed
I,
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not
I
hope
that
is
not
true,
but
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
you
read
that
any
other
way,
so
maybe
it's
miswritten,
but
it
sure
doesn't
look
right
and
again.
I
it
no
way
professionally
or
even
personally
do
I
have
anything
against
Mr
Salzman
at
any
way
at
all.
M
I
am
just
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
the
facts
here
right
and
if
you
looked
at
the
stuff
that
the
city
filed
and
then
you
looked
at
the
stuff
that
Mr
Coulson
filed,
you
would
see
it
was
fun.
He
pointed
out
so
many
errors
and
problems
with
it.
So
any
way
you
slice
it.
This
doesn't
appear
to
be
good
news.
Thank.
A
You,
let's
finish
up
with
public
comments.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments
on
this
particular
item
on
item?
One
of
the
con
of
the
consent
agenda?
Mr
jumper
there,
any
remote
access
comments.
Q
I
don't
know
who
this
gentleman
is
and
I
don't
know
what
bills
he
reviews,
but
no
one
drafts
anything
for
me
other
than
me
and
I
don't
work
with
anybody
else
other
than
who
the
commission
is
authorized
or
the
city
manager
knows
and
I
actually
think
your
accusation
is
defamatory.
It
is
totally
untrue
and
I,
don't
know
if
you're
a
lawyer
or
not,
but
if
you
are
one
you
better
watch
your
canons
of
Ethics.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
Mr
Salzman.
Are
there
any
commission
comments
on
this
item.
I
The
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
facts
and
facts,
we're
we're
busier
than
we've
ever
been,
and
the
Mr
salzman's
Been,
fair
and
I
I
hear
what
has
been
said,
but
I
have
to
also
give
a
chance
for
Mr
salesman
to
say-
and
we
know
that
he's
you
know
working
on
his
own-
that
there
is
no
other
people.
I
So
there
could
have
been
a
misunderstanding,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we're
getting
good
legal
advice
at
at
pretty
much
50
percent
of
what
we've
been
paying
for
a
long
time.
So
I
I
right
now
have
no
complaints
on
this
particular
thing.
So
fresh
Maryland.
H
A
L
Renee
is
going
to
present
this
item,
but
pretty
much.
What
this
item
is
going
to
start
with
is
what
we're
working
on.
We've
got
a
lot
of
work.
We
tried
to
do
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
we
accomplished
that
there's
still
some
items
that
we'll
start
off
with
what
items
we're
still
working
on,
then
we've
we've
looked
at
the
items
that
we've
also
heard
from
this
board
and
want
to
deal
with.
We
have
kind
of
we
have
bringing
them
to
you.
L
You've
got
an
update
today,
where
we
kind
of
ranked
what
our
thoughts
the
commission's
priority
would
be
on
these
things,
but
we
want
to
hear
tonight
what
those
priority
is
and
and
move
efficiently
or
within
the
bounds
that
we
can
with
the
workload
we
have
to
begin
bringing
these
forwards
in
phases
to
get
done.
What
this
commission
once
done.
So
with
that
set
up
Renee
I'll,
let
you
get
the
presentation
on
the
items.
S
There's,
as
the
city
manager
said,
we've
identified
a
set
of
some
additional
code
amendments
through
some
of
these
have
been
identified
by
the
board
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
and
as
well
as
several
that
staff
have
identified
that
just
through
the
years
of
working
with
the
Land
Development
code
that
have
been
consistent.
You
know
sticking
points
and
problem
issues
so
to
the
city
manager's
point.
However,
you
know
the
the
previous
set
of
amendments
that
the
board
gave
us
Direction
on.
S
We
still
have
to
wrap
up
the
the
code
Amendment
on
annexations,
the
coastal,
Hazard
area,
design
criteria
and
the
mitigation.
If
you
recall
those
were
in
play
and
they
got
deferred
for
some
additional
work,
so
we
have
to
wrap
those
up
the
review
fees
for
the
storm
water
and
other
similar
engineer
of
record
reviews.
That's
in
progress.
We
need
to
wrap
that
up
as
well
and
bring
that
to
the
board,
and
then
you
know,
along
with
all
of
that,
going
on
the
other
two
big
projects.
S
Obviously
the
comp
plan
update
and
then
the
Strategic
plan
implementation
with
the
board.
You
know
moving
forward
so
so
we
do
have
a
lot
in
the
hopper.
These
we've
ident
these
these
additional
code,
sections
that
we've
identified
to
work
on.
You
know
those
will
come
later
in
the
in
the
year,
but
we're
trying
to
kind
of
plan
workload
and
everything
so
I'll
just
kind
of
quickly
go
through
the
list.
The
list
itself
is
in
order
of
how
they
how
they
appear
in
order
in
the
Land
Development
code.
S
So
under
the
schedule
of
District
regulations,
RV
storage
is
not
identified
as
a
permitted
use
so
anywhere.
So
we
that
was
a
pnz
issue
within
the
single
family
residential
district,
specifically
the
r100.
We
conduct
just
a
ton
of
variances,
because
the
the
setbacks
are
just
very
large.
So
that's
something
that
we
would
like
to
look
at
in
the
future.
S
Our
section
on
storage
structures,
shelters
and
things
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
vagueness
in
there
that
really
needs
to
be
cleaned
up.
We're
constantly
trying
to
interpret
the
ordinance
and
you
get
changes
in
staff
and
changes
over
time.
So
you
lose
consistency,
the
swimming
pools.
This
is
a
long
ongoing
issue
with
the
setback
between
Water's
Edge
and
the
in
the
screen
closure.
If
you
want
to
know
more
about
that,
just
you
know
please
ask
but
I
won't
delve
into
it,
but
it's
an
issue.
S
Vincent
wall,
fences,
walls
and
hedges,
fences
and
front
yards
and
visibility
triangles
continue
to
be
problematic
at
times
yard
encroachments,
again
pools,
pool
Screen
Enclosures,
specifically
the
hard
pan.
Roofs
on
the
lanai's
continually
crop
up
his
problems.
Our
alcoholic
beverage
license
section
is,
you
know,
needs
some
updating
again
specifically
with
the
outdoor
entertainment
regulations
that
are
kind
of
tucked
into
that.
Our
docs
peers
and
Shoreline
structures.
There,
the
electric
service
for
docks
on
vacant,
land,
again
kind
of
an
ongoing
issue.
Probably
the
highest
priority
in
this
list,
is
the
plan
development
regulations.
S
There
were
previous
code
amendments
that
took
place
that
allowed
for
waivers
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
with
a
plan
development
for
virtually
anything
in
Land
Development
code
just
about,
and
so
I
really
think.
That
was
something
that
we
probably
want
to
quickly
try
to
evaluate,
and
perhaps
change
that
was
a.
It
was
a
major
change
in
I,
believe
2019
and
then
the
screening
requirements
in
general.
S
Again,
this
is
cropped
up
as
something
that
just
needs
attention
and
to
be
beefed
up
to
provide
some
greater
protections
to
the
you
know
to
adjoining
property
owners
when
you
have
parking,
lots
or
commercial
that
happens
to
be
next
to
residential,
even
though
they've
been
long-standing
situations.
So
that's
the
list
that
we've
identified
and
again
we've
broken
that
out.
If
they
have
a
one
that
would
be
the
highest
priority.
Two
three
and
four.
S
You
know
following
on
an
order
of
priority
for
what
we
think
we
should
focus
on
when
we
jump
into
these
a
bit
later.
Also
in
your
backup,
commissioner,
Carr
did
reach
out
to
the
city
manager
with
four
items.
I
went
ahead
and
included
them
in
the
list
for
consideration
and
direction
from
the
board.
If
you
want
to
include
those
with
the
with
this
overall
list
and
I'll
leave
that
for
for
the
board's
decision.
A
A
C
A
Okay,
Mr
Powell.
This
isn't
really
a
forum
for
a
question
and
answer
this
had
to
do
with
the
specific
items
that
Mrs
Vinson
had
brought
up
as
far
as
policy
matters,
not
dealing
with
an
individual
situation
such
as
yours
for
the
record
I'm
very
familiar.
How
we
got
to
the
point
of
putting
docs
on
vacant
Lots
of
city
manager,
and
this
is
how
it
got
started.
25
years
ago
and
I'll
be
happy
to
discuss
that
with
you
tomorrow.
A
T
A
C
A
You
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
public
comments.
A
Okay,
commission
comments.
Any
comments
vice
mayor,
Lawrence
I
have
no
comments.
This
is
on
all
the
items
that
Ms
Vincent
presented.
Not
just
the
item
that
you
heard
about
the
the
dock,
with
the
power
going
to
the
dock.
S
C
L
The
order
of
priorities,
obviously
this
commission
sets
the
priority-
is
that
you
can
adjust
change,
move
up,
move
down
anywhere.
You
want
we're
just
looking
to
set
the
stage
for
the
next
three
to
six
months
to
go
into
when
we're
finishing
what
we're
doing
to
go
to
be
beginning
the
next
phases
of
them,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
our
policies
are
our
orders
consistent
with
what.
R
R
I
know:
there's
we're
continually
asked
for
variances
on
this
particular
item
and,
if
we're
going
to
address
it
as
a
whole
I'd,
rather
it
be
sooner
than
later.
Okay,.
F
H
So
Renee
I
just
want
to
understand
so
these
are
obviously
they're,
not
Solutions
here.
These
are
just
issues
that
have.
S
It's
been
our
code
forever
and
I
would
bet
that
every
pool
contractor
in
the
Tampa
Bay
region
has
told
us
that
we're
the
only
city-
and
that
has
that
particular
requirement
anyway,
so
that
one
continually
emerges
as
problematic,
especially
as
you
know,
if
you
have
people
that
have
had
pools
put
in
without
Screen
Enclosures,
and
then
they
want
a
screen
enclosure,
they
can't
meet
setback
requirements
from
so
it
becomes
problematic
a
lot
of
times
with
Redevelopment
issue.
You
know
Redevelopment
and
Rehab
of
homes,
and
things
like
that.
H
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
I've,
got
no
issues
with
the
way
they're
prioritize,
I,
guess
I
would
need
to
learn
more
about
each
one
of
them
to
understand
exactly.
What's
going
on
there,
one
of
the
things
with
the
walls
and
hedges
and
your
fences
I
think
some
of
the
fence-
Heights
not
just
in
the
front
yard,
but
backyards
and
side
yards
I
think
are
capped
at
six
feet.
H
H
A
good
idea
to
look
at
is
some
type
of
commercial
design
guideline,
not
in
a
specific,
like
very
detailed,
but
to
avoid
like
a
situation
that
we
have
on
Lemon
Street,
where
we
have
like
a
large
metal
building
that
just
like
a
block
piece
of
metal
building,
not
that
I'm
against
the
development.
But
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
neighbors
Express
frustration
about,
because
it
doesn't
really
fit
the
neighborhood
but
they're
able
to
build
it.
H
So
if
we
could
put
something
in
there
that
just
states
that
you
have
to
have
some
type
of
I'm,
not
against
metal
buildings,
either
I'm
just
like
against
that
straight
brick
block
or
a
giant
rectangle
giant
square
with
a
lot
of
just
blank
wall.
So
that
would
be
something
I
think
would
be
good
to
look
at
as
well
too,
and
that
would
obviously
fall
I.
H
Think
in
the
four
category
or
five
category,
a
couple
of
things
that
I
put
on
there
as
some
additional
items
that
have
come
up
time
and
time
again
is
and
the
commercial
properties
when
parking
lot.
Landscaping
is
done.
It's
really
to
prevent
some
type
of
border
for
the
car
lights,
from
going
out
into
the
roads
or
just
from
some.
H
I'm,
sorry,
just
hedging
as
well
just
to
buffer
some
of
the
the
parking
lot
and
one
of
the
issues
is
a
lot
of
times.
There's
the
design
aspect
of
it
they
put
in
plants
that
don't
apply
really
to
that.
They
don't
fit
well,
and
so
that
was
one
of
my
requests
in
the
backup
and
then
additionally,
looking
at
canopy
trees
or
canopy
Palms
versus
a
versus
like
a
dwarf
bomb
and
then
removing
crepe
myrtles
I
could
get
into
more
details
about
this.
H
But
I
do
think
these
are
all
important
things
to
address
and
it's
going
to
make
Tarpon
Springs
better
at
the
end
of
the
day,
one
of
them
that
I
think
is
more
important
and
I
think
it
should
be
probably
put
up
at
a
higher
clip
than
maybe
three
or
four
is
actually
the
widths
of
our
roads
with
new
developments.
This
is
something
that's
come
up
a
couple
times
and
the
board's
probably
familiar
with
it
is
when
a
developer
comes
in
with
a
plan,
development
or
something
along
those
lines
of
having
a
development.
F
I
Thank
you
mayor.
One
thing
here:
Renee,
thank
you.
This
confuses
me
a
little
bit
because
on
line
two,
you
have
these
down
as
quick
fixes.
I
Well,
that's
well
when
to
me
when
I
read
these
and
I
saw,
it
was
a
quick
fix.
I
really
didn't
think
that
there
would
be
such
a
need
for
a
priority
from
us.
It's
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
setbacks
on
pools,
I'm
well
aware
of
the
three
foot
setback
as
being
on
the
board
of
adjustments.
I
know
the
problems
that
happen
with
this
I
mean
those
are
pretty
easy
to
just
get
it
together
and
and
get
our
approval
to
make
that
change.
Correct.
S
So
some
of
these
are
easier
than
others,
but
even
even
that
one,
you
know
they're
my
hesitation
with
just
saying
yeah.
These
are
quick
fixes
because
you
know
I.
Sometimes
you
know
good
intentions
go
awry
so
I.
You
know
some
of
these
I
do
want
to
reach
out
to
neighboring
communities
and
find
out
what
they're
doing
before
I.
S
Put
pen
to
paper
and
say
yeah:
let's
go
in
this
particular
direction.
Some
just
researching
the
board
of
adjustment
variances
over
the
last
you
know
four
or
five
years
and
seeing
what
that
leads
to.
So
you
know,
while
things
something
like
the
pool,
Screen
Enclosures
or
the
you
know,
the
the
the
deck
width
is
fairly
simple,
but
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I,
don't
know
what
it
should
be.
So
so
I
need
to
look,
and
you
know,
come
up
with
something.
That's
you
know
we
have
to
evaluate
it.
I
I
understand,
but
some
of
them
that
are
quick.
You
know
rather
than
us
prioritize
them.
It
would
be
better
to
try
to
prioritize
them
by
how
we
can
remove
them
quicker,
because
there
are
some
that
I
know
that
are
much
more
in
depth
so
rather
than
me,
choosing
these
by
just
by
numbers.
I'd
rather
choose
them
according
to
how
you
feel
we
can
get
through
them
at
a
quicker
rate.
Well,.
I
S
V
S
Has
a
previous
ordinance
to
directly
go
to
and
say,
let's
undo
this,
the
screening
requirements
to
me
is
just
a
very
high
priority.
Again,
it's
not
that's
not
difficult
to
deal
with.
You
know
the
the
swimming
pools
again,
not
not
so
I
took
that
into
consideration
I,
but
the
reason
I
put
the
single
family
residential.
You
know.
Those
repeated
variances
in
the
r100
is
because
I
mean
this
is
a
odd
term
to
use,
but
that's
like
a
sacred
zoning
District
in
the
city.
It's
been
around
forever
and
people
like
those
yards.
S
I
I
As
far
as
you
know,
changing
any
of
on
commissioner
cars
stuff
that
he's
requesting
I
would
like
to
go
according
to
staff
recommendations
rather
than
commission
recommendations,
and
then
we
decide
according
to
what
staff
suggests,
rather
than
us
doing
the
the
recommendation
as
far
as
for
landscaping.
I
As
far
as
for
parking
and
Street
widths
that
we
had
we've
dealt
with
that
and
we've
turned
it
down,
but
I
don't
want
to
restrict
every
development
is
different
and
I.
Don't
think
I
want
to
restrict
parking
or
no
parking
each
development
that
we
have.
We
don't
have
that
many
really
big
developments
right
now
that
we
have
to
deal
with
any
which
way,
but
when
we
have
them,
if
it
doesn't
pass,
you
know
our
TRC
and
our
site
plans
and
all
that
stuff.
We
turn
it
down
anyway.
I
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
comment
on.
You
know:
I'm,
a
biker,
so
I
love
bike
paths,
I'm
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
change
that
all
of
our
roads
in
town
are
skinny
roads
and
a
lot
of
the
places
from
where
trailers
are
are
riding
around
and
catching
the
soil
and
dirt
and
gravel.
We
we
have
gaping
holes
that
we
need
to.
You
know,
go
around
and
patch
up
so
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
change
the
bicycle
I'm
for
it.
I
K
Hi
Renee
I
appreciate
you
and
City
staff
prior
prioritizing
the
code
section,
and
we,
if
you
guys,
have
done
a
great
job
and
hard
work
over
these.
You
know
last
six,
seven
months
handling
each
one
of
these
codes
as
they
come
along.
Can
you
touch
up
a
little
bit
on
the
alcoholic
beverages
and
issues
with
the
outdoor
entertainment
regulations?
Sure.
S
So
we
have
regulations
in
the
alcoholic
beverage
licensing
section
and
the
alcohol
control
section
of
the
code
that
speak
to
when
you
can
have
outdoor
entertainment
ends
and
it's,
but
it
these.
How
do
I
back
up
this?
All
the
conditional
uses
for
alcohol
used
to
come
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
and
then
that
was
changed
several
years
ago
and
now
they're
still
conditional
uses,
but
they're
reviewed
by
staff,
essentially
and
eventually
signed
off
one
by
the
city
manager.
S
But
then
there's
exceptions
for
if
it's
you
know
that
that
buffer,
doesn't
you
know
that
distance
separation
doesn't
isn't
required
if
it's
a
special
restaurant
license
for
what
used
to
be
called
a
four
cops
RX
license,
so
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
it
and-
and
we
just
don't-
have
a
good
handle
on
outdoor
entertainment
and
we
end
up
having
to
regulate
it
through
the
noise
and
things
like
that.
So,
city
manager,
you
look
like
you
want
to
meet
her.
No.
L
K
I
understand
why
it's
one
of
the
top
priorities
and
I
would
touch
up
on
what
Commissioner
Karen
Eisner
commissionerizer
stated
with
the
land
use
with
codes.
I
don't
want
to
take
away
any
landscape
or
plants
that
are
already
included,
but
I
would
I
would
support
you
in
speaking
with
staff
in
the
arborist
to
see
any
other
trees
or
plants
that
could
be
added
to
give
developers
more
range
of
ideas
for
for
planning.
So
sure.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
I
from
from
my
perspective,
you're
asking
for
priorities
but
I,
know
there's
even
higher
priorities
than
what
you
have
here,
that
I
I
think
we
need
to
come
back
and
and
I
I
asked
the
city
manager.
Surely
Ms
Vinson
isn't
looking
for
work
because
she
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
so.
From
my
perspective,
whatever
the
priorities
are
that
come
out
of
here,
please
use
your
own
judgment.
There's
other
things
in
my
opinion,
are
more
important
to
get
back
to
the
commission,
so
these
would
be
good
to
fill
in
I
I.
A
Don't
have
an
issue
with
the
priorities.
The
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
what
commissioner
Carr
is
asking
I
I
think
there
may
be
some
challenges.
A
couple
of
the
streets
that
he
mentioned
are
County
Roads
as
far
as
striping
and
things
that
I'm
sure
they've
got
a
policy
their
own
policy
with
regard
to
bike
trails,
but
my
only
concern
I
think
our
staff
has
always
done
a
good
job
as
far
as
public
projects.
As
far
as
the
tree
plantings
and
things
like
that,
I
think
it's
once
somebody
from
peer
gets
involved.
A
Things
don't
go
well
and
they
don't
go
as
planned
and
so
I
would
like
to
whatever
you
come
back
with.
As
far
as
the
I'm,
all
four
canopies
I
prefer
to
stay
with
canopies
I
know.
Sometimes
we
don't
do
that,
but
I'd
like
to
stay
without
so
I
I
defer
to
our
staff
and
and
our
arborist
to
work
with
you
on
that
again.
That
would
be
just
as
a
fill-in,
given
everything
else
that's
going
on
as
well,
so
I'm
not
sure.
Does
that
help?
Yes,.
L
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Vincent,
it's
7
33,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
our
ordinances
and
resolutions
and
and
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
unless
somebody's
got
an
objection.
I'm
going
to
put
item
13
first
mayor
did
you
want
any
public
comment
on.
N
David
Ballard
Gettys,
Jr
I
live
on
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor
years
ago.
I
used
to
live
down
the
street
on
Goshen
and
Diane
down
in
that
area
there
and
a
woman
had
peach
trees
in
her
front
yard.
I
grew
up
with
millions
of
fruit
trees.
In
this
town,
Countryside
mall
was
still
a
cow
field.
There
were
grapefruit,
Groves
and
so
forth,
mulberry
trees,
pecan
trees,
yet
the
city
and
the
municipal
governments
don't
seem
to
grow
anything
of
any
resource
at
all,
bottle,
brush
Oleanders,
ligustrum,
pittosporum,
viburnum,
Etc
and
so
forth.
N
That
are
perfidious
in
my
eyes,
in
regards
to
I
like
to
see
an
edible
landscape,
maybe
we
can
promote
this
type
of
when
I
was
a
kid,
we
had
a
4-H
club,
it
kind
of
you
know
looked
into
stuff
like
that,
and
it
seems
as
though
the
city
governments
kind
of
threw
a
blind
eye
on.
Let's
not
plant
a
pomegranate
tree
or,
let's
not
plant,
a
a
you
know
whatever
fruit
bearing
tree
instead,
let's
plant
this
other
stuff
and
I,
just
I
disagree
with
that
Oleander
and
bottle
brush
kind
of
mentality.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Okay,
Mr
jumper
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item
and
we
do
not
have
any
one
at
Ms.
Jacobs
no
emails
for
anything
else
is
all
right:
okay,
yeah
it
was
a
little
quick.
Our
normal
time
for
going
to
ordinances
of
resolutions
is
7
30.
We
were
past
that
so
I
kind
of
jumped
the
gun
a
little
bit
on
the
public
comments.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
unless
someone's
got
an
objection,
is
to
have
item
13
first,
which
is
the
cohatch
item.
Let
me
get
to
that.
A
Cohatch
resolution
and
I
want
to
give
our
City
attorney
a
heads
up,
he's
going
to
be
involved
in
this,
and
also
it's
a
quasi-judicial.
A
Q
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
Q
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relative
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Q
A
Mrs
Vincent
the
applicants
here:
yes,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
whether
there
is
anyone
here
that
claims
to
be
an
affected
party,
I'd
I'd,
miss
tierpani
I,
know
you
so
you're
qualified
as
an
affected
party,
you
own
property
nearby.
Anyone
else,
Mr
fackless
same
here,
so
I'm
not
familiar
with
you.
If
you
could
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address,
and
both
of
you.
Yes,.
A
A
That's
right:
Mr
Salzman
business
owners
qualify
this
as
an
affected
party.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
has
any
commissioner
had
any
ex-party
Communications
with
the
applicant.
A
They
an
affected
party.
Yes,
okay,
what
could
you
state
who
that
was.
A
Okay,
has
any
commissioner
believe
they
have
a
conflict
of
interest
on
this
item?
For
any
reason,
okay,.
A
S
The
project
site
is
located
at
121,
East,
Tarpon
Avenue.
The
project
consists
of
a
restaurant
space
with
an
outdoor
bar
office
and
meeting
space
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
go
into
the
particulars
of
kind
of
the
unique
aspects
of
the
project
that
probably
do
need
to
be
considered.
The
existing
structure,
6
400
square
feet
and
they
are
proposing
to
add
an
additional
6
750
square
feet
on
the
lot.
S
The
property
is
located
in
the
t5b
Tarpon
Avenue
Mains
Main
Street,
transect
District,
it's
in
the
downtown
character,
District
of
the
special
area
plan,
and
it
is
designated
as
community
redevelopment
on
their
future
land
news
map.
So
just
a
little
bit
of
location
and
context.
This
is
the
building
here
you
have.
This
is
Orange
Street
here
Tarpon
Ave
Safford,
and
this
is
hibiscus
and
Court
Street.
So
it's
about
mid
block
between
hibiscus
and
Tarpon.
Excuse
me
and
saffron
Ave.
There
is
an
alley
here
that
does
function.
S
It
has
some
choke
points
along
it
that
are
that
are
challenging,
but
it
does
get
use
again.
This
is
just
the
this
is
showing
the
character
districts,
which
is
part
of
the
special
area
plan.
This
is
in
the
downtown
character,
District.
So
everything
in
this
light,
yellow
color,
is
the
downtown
character.
District.
S
And
then
drilling
down
a
little
farther
within
the
smart
code,
which
is
the
regulating
plan
for
this
area.
The
the
this
orange
color
is
the
t5b,
the
Tarpon
Avenue
Main
Street
district
and
that's
its
limits
are
really
just
one
property
in
on
off
of
Pinellas
over
to
to
ring
Avenue.
S
So
the
building
itself
is
the
oldest
surviving
commercial
building
in
Tarpon
Springs.
It
has
some
unique
architecture
to
it.
Historically,
it's
been
a
myriad
of
uses.
Most
recently
it
was
the
site
of
a
really
a
dance
and
Nightclub
establishment.
I
believe
was
called
cliche.
S
S
So
the
and
so
the
so
from
an
architectural
standpoint,
this
did
go
through
historic
preservation
board
already
and
has
received
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
architecture.
Again.
These
are
a
little
hard
to
read
on
a
screen,
and
this
is
the
rear
architecture.
Elevation.
S
Again,
these
are
just
difficult.
These
are
difficult
to
see
because
of
the
the
coloring
and
the
way
they
do.
This
is
a
little
better
rendering
that
you
can
get
a
better
idea,
so
this
would
be
the
view
off
of
the
alley
the
two-story
Edition
the
the
second
floor,
actually
projects
out
over
this,
the
seating
area,
so
the
second
floor
is
a
little
bit
larger
than
than
the
first
floor
on
the
addition.
S
X
S
They
are,
these
are
the
front
facade
changes
that
the
the
second
story
is
largely
being
maintained,
as
is
the
existing
canopy
would
come
off,
they'll
put
on
a
a
kind
of
a
flat,
a
flat
canopy,
keeping
the
original
doors.
We're
reworking
the
front
facade
again.
This
has
already
been
approved
by
the
historic
preservation
board,
just
some
additional
renderings
of
what
that
looks
like
so
the
floor
plans.
Again,
these
are
going
to
be
really
difficult
to
see,
but
you've
got.
S
You
got
a
restaurant
and
meeting
rooms
on
the
first
floor
and
also
some
office
spaces
again,
oh
and
co-work
spaces,
again
I'll,
let
the
applicant
and
their
presentation
expound
on
this
and
then
the
second
floor
is
mostly
a
series
of
offices
and
and
co-work
space.
This
is
a
more
more
private,
so
to
speak
for
the
members.
S
So
just
again,
looking
at
kind
of
the
surrounding
area,
the
city
has
been
interested
in
improving
this
alley,
just
in
terms
of
its
appearance,
adding
lighting
and
things
of
that
nature.
I
spoke
about
some
choke
points
next
to
all
coming
off
of
Safford
Avenue
next
to
Tarpon
Tavern.
This
is
really
narrow
here,
but
it
this
does
and
it
functions
as
one
way
going
towards
Tarpon
going.
Excuse
me
going
towards
Safford
Avenue.
It
opens
up
back
here.
S
This
looks
like
a
choke
point
at
some
point.
The
piece
of
this
was
vacated,
but
it
still
functions
because
it's
open,
so
so
you
do
have
activity.
You
also
have
cars
that
do
park
in
the
parking
lot
at
at
Orange
and
Safford.
S
That
will
come
out
this
way
and
Traverse
and
leave
the
parking
lot
here
and,
and
cars
can
also
go
through
here
and
cross
into
the
parking
lot,
so
they
kind
of
cross
the
alley.
So
there
is
activity
going
on
back
there
I
think
the
biggest
discussion
point
for
this
evening
will
be
regarding
parking.
S
This
particular
project,
so
just
pause
for
a
little
bit.
The
the
project
did
receive
a
variance
for
the
allowable
floor
area.
If
you
look
at
the
details
of
the
smart
code
and
the
special
and
the
character
district
for
the
downtown
there's,
a
pretty
good
discrepancy
between
the
two,
the
character
District
specifically
allows
for
a
Florida
area
ratio
of
2.0
for
the
properties
fronting
on
Tarpon
Avenue,
but
the
the
land.
S
The
smart
code
is
more
restrictive
so
that
they
did
receive
a
variance
to
allow
that
additional
floor
area
so
that
that
has
been
approved
by
the
by
the
board
of
adjustments
previously.
Regarding
parking.
So
again,
there
isn't
a
specific
section
of
the
smart
code.
S
That's
within
table
4E
of
the
smart
code
that
states
that
Park
there's
a
parking
exemption
essentially
for
Tran
the
t5b
Tarpon
Avenue
Main
Street,
which
is
what
this
district
is,
and
it
says
that
that
transect
zone
shall
be
exempt
from
required
parking
where
it
can
be
demonstrated
during
the
site
plan
review
process,
which
is
what
we're
in
that
available.
Public
or
private
paid
parking,
is
within
a
five
minute
walk
and
that
was
put
in
specifically
to
recognize
the
uniqueness
of
of
tarbon
Avenue.
It
really
is
it's
built
somewhat.
S
You
know
in
areas
you
know
a
lot
line
to
lot
line
and
some
others
it's
it's
not,
but
this
is
so.
This
is
the
only
this
area
outlined
in
red.
This
is
the
only
area
where
that
exemption
in
the
smart
code
exists
and,
of
course,
this
property
is
within
that,
so
to
provide
an
analysis
of
what
that
really
means.
S
We
looked
at
all
the
city
owned
and
leased
parking
lots
within
the
within
a
five
minute
walk,
and
this
quarter
mile
quarter
mile
is
typically
considered
a
five
minute
walk,
so
the
this
area,
the
the
pink
shading
area,
would
be
your
your
ped
shed.
If
you
will,
we
looked
at
city-owned
lots
and
leased
lots
and
we
tallied
up
that
parking
as
available.
We
also
identified
some
additional
Lots
where
we
don't
have
leases,
but
there
are
verbal
agreements.
S
You
can
take
that
for
what
it's
worth.
We
did
break
that
out
so
that
in
our
calculation,
so
you
can
make
that
distinction.
S
S
We
also
looked
at
on-street
parking
now.
This
was
a
little
bit
informal
I
did
it
off
of
aerial
photographs,
but
counting
the
available
parking
spaces
for
on
Street
in
this
kind
of
general
area.
If
they
weren't
striped,
you
know
and
again
counting
for
driveways
you're.
Looking
at
you
know,
22
linear
feet,
you
know
for
per
parking
space.
So
so
we
took
a
very
conservative
estimate
of
that
and
came
up
with
approximately
230
spaces
in
the
on-street
parking
spaces
in
these
areas
that
are
highlighted
in
Orange.
S
So
how
we
apply
that,
then
you
have
a
total
of
actual
something
back
up,
so
we
looked
at
within
that
District.
That
was
in
the
highlighted
in
the
that
was
we
looked,
we
actually
pulled
using
the
property
appraisal
records
the
actual
square
footage
of
all
of
those
properties,
and
so
it
comes
up
to
just
shy
of
195
000
existing
square
feet.
S
S
So
when
you
apply
the
shared
parking
Factor,
it
reduces
that
required
parking
down
to
486
spaces,
so
I'm
going
to
ignore
the
Top
Line,
because
that
includes
the
verbal
agreement
Lots,
so
so
focusing
on
the
second
line,
so
the
available
downtown
spaces
that
we
based
on
the
city,
owned
and
and
leased
lots
and
the
on-street
parking
is
511
spaces.
S
This
is
the
other
thing
I
want
to
note
is
when
we
do
our
parking
calculations
in
the
smart
code,
it's
actually
based
on
net
floor
area,
not
gross.
We
don't
have
that
number.
So
in
reality,
this
is
probably
a
little
bit
low.
It
would
be
something
you
know
something
higher
than
this,
but
we
had
gross
floor
air.
So
it's
a
conservative
number
to
base
it
on
so
yeah.
S
You
know
so
I'm
going
through
that
long
explanation
to
say,
based
on
what
the
information
that
we
have,
it
appears
that
we
could
support
an
additional
floor
area
of
about
10
000
square
feet.
The
applicant
is
adding
about
6
500
square
feet
so
they're
under
that
threshold,
and
you
know
so
we
would-
and
we
would
need
to
do
this.
This
is
kind
of
a
fluid
type
of
of
situation.
So
if
another
property
comes
in
two
years
from
now,
we
need
to
look
at
do
this
all
over
again.
S
S
So
the
another
issue
of
concern
was
the
storm
water
solution,
they're,
actually
just
very
slightly
they're,
actually
decreasing
the
impervious
surface
on
the
site.
There
was
a
lot
of
existing
pavers
and
concrete
and
compacted
material
back
here.
So
when
our
stormwater
Engineers
of
record
looked
at
it,
they
basically
you
know
and
reviewed
the
plans.
S
They
agreed
that
that
this
was
was
a
compliant
solution,
but
they
did
work
with
the
city
to
you
know,
look
at
the
existing
conditions
of
the
alley
and
and
potential
flooding,
and
so
they've
come
up
with
an
underground
Vault
solution
with
pervious
pavers,
and
then
it's
this
bubbler
system
to
kind
of
catch
overflow
and
and
get
it
back
into
the
storm
water
system.
So
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
stormwater,
but
our
Engineers
of
record
have
reviewed
this
and
have
have
blessed
this
so
to
speak.
S
As
I
already
indicated,
the
historic
Heritage
preservation
board
gave
issued
a
certificate
of
approval
in
January
of
2022
for
the
the
addition
and
the
exterior
Renovations
of
the
existing
building.
The
board
of
adjustments
did
Grant
a
variance
for
floor
area
in
May
of
2021.
S
Although
they're
application
provisions
of
this
this
says
Land
Development
code,
it
should
say
smart
code
have
been
reviewed
and
it
is
compliant
as
well
as
with
the
special
area
plan,
concurrency
management
and
with
the.
J
S
Compliance
with
the
building
codes
is
will
be
determined
expected
to
be
able
to
comply
with
building
codes
through
the
building
permit
process.
So
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
is
for
approval
of
the
site
plan
with
we
have
several
conditions,
positioning
and
sizing
of
the
trash
enclosures
approved
by
HPB.
They
approved
a
little
bit
smaller
trash
enclosure
in
the
rear,
and
they
had
it
pushed
back
under
underneath
the
stairs.
So
that
needs
to
be
reflected
on
on
the
plans.
The
plan
detail
of
the
storm
water
solution
must
be
added
to
the
building
permits
I.
S
Just
the
building
permit's
been
sitting
for
quite
a
while
waiting
for
site
plan
to
get
done.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
close
that
loop
conformance
with
all
the
minimum
criteria
of
the
Land
Development
code
and
other
jurisdictional
permits,
coordination
with
public
art
committee
to
be
initiated
as
soon
as
possible,
construction
plan,
consistency
with
a
site
plan
and
payment
of
fees,
and
then
our
usual
expiration
within
one
year,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
reviewed
this
initially
in
October.
At
that
point,
without
the
benefit
of
full
information,
they
actually
recommended
denial.
S
The
applicant
voluntarily
returned
back
to
that
board
in
November
21st
and
with
seven
members
in
approval.
The
board
did
recommend
approval
with
one
member
dissenting.
The
board
also
recommended
approval.
Excuse
me
recommended
two
additional
I
said
one
would
be
a
condition,
maybe
of
approval.
The
other
was
more
of
a
direction
to
the
city
in
general.
One
was
that
the
applicant
pursue
the
lease
of
off-site
parking
downtown
to
support
the
use
and
that
the
city
continued
to
work
to
establish
additional
parking
to
serve
the
downtown
area.
So
neither
of
those
are
reflected
in
the
resolution.
S
A
R
S
H
No
I
don't
have
any
questions
right
now.
Thank.
I
Q
I
Q
Q
I
Probably
not
I
mean
you
know
that
I
that
you
should
be
okay,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
clear
things
up
on
that.
The
only
question
I
have
for
you
is,
let's
say
for
arguments
like
it
passes
tonight,
and
a
little
whatever's
facility
opens
up
or
wants
to
open
up
within
the
vicinity.
Does
that
affect
these
numbers?.
S
For
the
next
project
it
could
so
you
know
it
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
do
an
expansion,
you
know
we're
gonna
have
to
do
this
math
again
and
see
where
see
where
we
are
so
I
mean
it's.
You
know
we
did
a
pretty
rigorous
analysis
of
this.
I'll
be
honest.
It's
you
know.
We
haven't
used
that
that
level
of
analysis
before
I
think
things
have
been
maybe
more
observational
and
that,
yes,
we
have
city-owned
parking
and
on
street
parking
within
the
area,
and
so
it's
fine.
I
My
other
question
is:
is
these
results
for
the
12-month
period
or
I
mean
everybody
knows
we're
seasonal
and
in
seasonal?
It's
very
tight
parking
anywhere
in
Tarpon
Avenue
in
downtown.
So
that's
my
next
question,
for
you
is
that
considered
so.
S
We
we
didn't
look
at
the
occupancy
of
parking
lots.
We
simply
looked
at
how
many
parking
spots
are
available
on
that
lot,
whether
they're
immediately
available
the
day,
I
looked
at
it
or
not
so
I
think
that's
a
much
I
think.
That's
a
larger
parking
analysis
that
somebody
that
probably
needs
to
be
conducted.
You're
right,
we're
coming
into
peak
season,
I
mean
I
casually
drove
around.
S
You
know
this
afternoon
and
was
looking
at
the
parking
lots
and
right
around
downtown
they're
full,
but
soon
as
you
get
out
a
little
bit,
some
of
the
other
ones
I'm
like
oh
okay,
there's
plenty
of
parking
spaces
there.
So
I
think
that
kind
of
that
occupancy
of
parking
is
a
different
question
altogether,
and
we
did
not
look
at
that.
In
this
analysis.
I
S
I
think
in
this
instance
I
would
you
know,
didn't
go
into
details
with
that,
but
certainly
your
an
office
use
has
a
different
peak
hour
than
than
a
restaurant
or
a
bar.
S
So
now
this
particular
office
uses
very
unique,
so
I
I
think
I
would
ask
you
to
do
it
maybe
address
that
with
with
them,
but
we
didn't
look
at
it
in
this
instance,
but
I
think
it
is
again
I
think
it's
something
that
looking
at
the
mix
of
uses
certainly
certainly
comes
into
play,
and
that's
why
we
have
that
shared
parking
Factor
being
applied,
so
it's
indirectly
looked
at
because
we
apply
a
shared
parking.
That
assumes
that
at
different
times
of
the
day,
things
will
be
more
active
than
other
than
other
things.
I
K
Foreign
I
think
it's
important
when
we
talk
about
these
historical
buildings
and
especially
this
this
one.
What
we're
talking
about,
if,
if
it
was
requested
for
the
board,
to
give
recommendations
on
adding
some
of
the
similar
archways
that
are
on
the
front
of
the
facade
of
the
building
to
the
exterior?
What
would
be
the
process
for
that.
S
That's
something
that
would
it
would
have
to
be
reevaluated
by
the
historic
preservation
board.
I
get
my
my
kind
of
my
quick
answer
to
that
from
the
staff
perspective
and
having
you
know,
worked
with
historic
preservation.
You
generally
want
your
they're
complementary,
but
distinct.
So
the
short
answer
is
you
know
that
would
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
go
back
to
Historic
preservation
board
and
get
their
approval
on
I.
Don't
know!
If
that's
you
know
an
issue
or
not
frankly,
until
you
get
it
back
in
front
of
them
so
and.
K
I
think
some
of
the
commission
answered
or
asked
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
parking
so
comfortable.
Thank
you,
mayor.
A
Okay,
Ms
Vincent,
you
know
planners
and
Engineers.
Look
at
things
different
in
your
analysis.
It's
three
parking
spaces
per
thousand
square
feet.
Roughly,
so
there's
about
six
thousand
square
feet.
That's
existing
and
the
applicant
is
wishing
to
add
another
six
thousand
square
feet.
X
A
Given
the
use
which
I
would
suspect,
is
by
right
at
that
location
and
as
far
as
not
doing
anything,
they
would
be
able
to
open
base
the
the
existing
building
based
on
what
we've
got
right
now,
which
is
about
six
thousand,
which
would
be
eight
18
parking
spaces.
The
additional
would
require,
which
is
what
the
issue
is
with
a
parking,
an
additional
18
parking
spaces
that
crite.
A
Really,
what
we're
talking
about
is
18
parking
spaces
I
mean
if,
if,
if
an
engineer
was
involved,
he'd
be
looking
at
designing
a
parking
lot
for
yes,
additional
18
parking
spaces.
Okay
and
then
the
planning
zoning
commission's
recommendation
was
for
to
to
work
toward
finding
some
private
parking
to
convert
that
to
public
parking
or
else
dedicated
parking
for
the
cohatch
businesses
out.
They.
S
Had
two
recommendations,
one
I
think
was
directly
aimed
at
cohatch
and
that
please
find
some
from
pay
for
some
private
parking.
You
know
so
that
was
one
and
then
the
second
recommendation
was
more
just
directed
at
the
city
that
we
need
to
continue
to
to
find
parking,
lots
and
expand
available
public
parking
in
the
downtown
okay.
A
A
That's
all
the
questions
I
had
on
this
one,
the
standards
of
review.
If
you
could
go
back
to
that.
A
That
one
right
there,
the
standards
of
review
it
includes
back
down
there
again
as
to
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
the
special
area
plan
and
then
also
compatibility,
correct.
Z
F
A
All
right
that
ends
the
questions
for
the
commission.
Now
let.
I
I
Yeah
I
had
a
question
one
more
question
on
this
extra
6
000
square
feet:
is
it
six
out
six
thousand
under
air
or
is
it
including
the
outside
balcony
area?
That's
in
the
back
because
it's
very
hard
to
see.
J
S
Slightly
larger
than
the
first
floor,
it
overhangs
where
the
balcony
area
is
there's
not
a
real
good.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
have
a.
S
It
yeah
so
this
is
if
this
is
the
this
is
the
building
Edition,
and
this
is
this
seating
area,
but
there's
also
a
there's
a
there's,
a
building
outline
here.
So
this
this
second
floor
kind
of
like
cantilevers
over
that,
if
you
will
they
might
be,
they
may
have
a
better
picture
in
their
presentation,
but.
S
A
Okay,
Ms
Vincent.
This
may
be
a
legal
question
as
well.
Could
the
commission
convert
that
one
requirement
to
instead
of
a
request,
to
look
into
providing
additional
parking
to
making
that
a
requirement
or
a
condition
of
the
approval.
S
If
you
don't,
if
you
think
that
the
analysis
is
still
insufficient
to
say
that
there's
available
parking
based
on
you
know
within
that
you
know,
quarter
mile
walk
shed
area,
then
I
mean
then
yes,
I
think
that's
a
an
appropriate
finding
I'll
defer
to
the
attorney,
but
I
think
you
need
to
make
one
finding
to
say
this
is
good,
but
we
don't
think
it's
sufficient
and
it
hasn't
been
demonstrated
and
then
you
could
I
think
you
could
attach
that
condition.
Okay,.
Q
A
R
S
S
A
A
A
Mr
Waldman
isn't
well
for
Sunshine.
Do
you
have
any
questions
of
Mrs
Vincent.
W
W
F
W
First
of
all,
I
thought
that
was
a
great
analysis,
really
appreciate
you
putting
that
together
from
a
technical
aspect,
it
looked
like
I'm,
trying
to
still
gather
the
the
511
or
whatever
it
was
reduced
down
to
486,
and
what
that
exactly
means
so
I.
Don't
totally
understand
that
because
it
just
feels
like
we
don't
have
enough
parking
spaces
I
mean.
So
if
you
could
explain
that
just
a
little
bit
more
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
how
it
takes
it
down
to
that
required
number.
Thank
you.
S
So
what
what
he's
referring
to
is
a
shared
parking
calculation-
and
let
me
go
back
to
that,
so
the
smart
code
is
inherently
a
mixed
use
code
and
so
in
the
in
the
parking
requirements
that
are
laid
out.
It
presupposes
that
when
you
have
mixed
use
that
just
like
one
of
the
Commissioners
indicated
they'll
be
the
the
parking
will
be
at
different
times
of
the
day
for
mixed
use
and
sometimes
in
the
morning
it'll
be
higher,
sometimes
in
the
evening
it'll
be
for
different
different
uses.
S
So
you
end
up
with
the
ability
to
share
share
parking
because
of
those
staggered
times
of
use.
So
the
factor
that's
used
in
the
smart
code
is
1.2,
and
so
in
this
instance,
what
what
you
actually
do
is
is
you
you
divide
the
the
actual
parking
by
we
by
divided
by
1.2,
and
it
brings
down
the
requirement
to
to
that
lower
number.
So
it's
a
if
you
look
at
it
one
way:
it's
a
multiplier.
If
you
look
at
it
another
way,
it's
a
divisor.
So
it's
just
it's
a
it's
a
fact.
S
F
A
Mr
fackless
Mr
feckless.
Do
you
have
any
questions
from
Ms
Vincent
questions?
If
you
do,
please
come
forward:
okay,
Ms
Fosse!
V
S
V
Because
I
mean
my
business,
went,
just
went
growing
and
we're
putting
in
more
stations
and
stuff
and
I
want
to
know
where
sure
we're
supposed
to
park,
and
as
far
as
you
know,
is
it
going
to
be.
Is
it
going
to
be
more
handicapped
parking
when
more
parking
comes
into
effect,
because
that's
also
been
an
issue
that
I've
noticed.
J
X
Downtown
the
city
for
many
years
since
they
inappropriately
tore
down
the
Forbes
building,
novelt
building,
has
been
trying
to
get
an
investor
to
rebuild
the
building
at
a
2.0
two-story
building
be
about
16
000
square
feet
was
that
sixteen
thousand
square
feet
in
your
calculation?
It
was
not
thank
you.
F
F
A
A
The
way
we're
going
to
do
this
is
one
person
at
a
time,
and
then
the
commission
may
have
questions
and
the
way
it's
going
to
work
is
if
I
can
get.
This
right
is
make
your
presentation,
if
there's
you're,
let's
say
you're
the
applicant
and
then
let's
say
you
brought
somebody
else,
that's
your
engineer
or
something
like
that.
Then
they
would
make
a
presentation
and
then
the
commission
would
be
able
to
ask
that
engineer.
AA
AA
Address
please.
Thank
you,
sir.
My
name
is
John
Watkins.
My
address
is
6574
10th
Holland
Square
Dublin
Ohio
today,
I'm
accompanied
by
my
colleague
Brian
Sanders
from
the
Tampa
Bay
Area,
our
general
contractor
Darren
Thompson,
also
from
Tampa
Bay,
Area,
architect,
Luke,
Rowe
and
Associates
architects
here
in
the
Tampa
Bay
area
and
John
John
Moran
with
Equity
program
management,
also
based
here
in
Tampa,
okay
I'm,
one
of
three
co-principals
at
cohatch
to
begin
our
presentation,
I'd
just
like
to
ask
Brian
Sanders
my
colleague
and
who
runs.
Let
me
interrupt.
AA
Yes,
I'd
like
to
ask
Brian
Sanders
who's,
our
general
manager
for
Florida,
to
say
a
few
words
to
kick
off
the
meeting.
Y
So
thanks
guys
I
I
guess
maybe
I
just
wanted
to
I,
don't
know,
say
something
about
the
posture
and
maybe
the
backstory
of
how
kohach
got
here.
Maybe
that
would
be
useful
helpful.
Just
a
couple
quick
minutes.
Y
Of
course
we're
I'm
super
excited
about
this
project
and,
and
these
guys
are
better
suited
to
get
into
the
details
of
it.
But
you
know
there
is
there.
Is
this
sort
of
back
story
to
how
cohatch
has
come
into
to
into
this
Market
I'm
very
much
a
native
I
grew
up
in
St.
Petersburg
live
my
whole
life
in
the
Bay
Area
raised
all
my
kids
here.
Y
In
fact,
I
just
found
out
recently
that
my
family
is
a
Pioneer
family,
which
is
a
thing
I
guess
if
you
can
show
that
you're
you're
family
was
here
before
Florida
became
a
state,
so
there's
a
there's.
Some
marriage
certificate
in
Dade,
City,
East
Pasco
of
my
great-great-great-grandfather
marrying
a
woman
named
Mary
Gill,
and
that
was
1840
so
I
all
to
say,
I
have
a
deep
commitment
to
this
area.
Y
In
addition
to
that,
my
whole
career
has
been
spent
serving
this
community
building
nonprofits
incubating
hundreds
of
Enterprise,
particularly
social
Enterprise,
so
I
care
very
deeply.
In
addition,
the
last
couple
years
my
work
with
the
national
Christian
foundation
in
Tampa
Bay,
which
is
itself
a
kind
of
conglomerate
of
300
350
high
capacity,
very
generous
families
from
this
area
who
give
away
about
70
million
dollars
a
year
through
the
foundation
from
this
area,
and
it
actually
was
our
work
with
the
foundation
that
those
folks,
many
of
those
folks
are
looking
for
impact.
Y
I
think
I
speak
for
them
all
the
investors
that
this
is
probably
one
of,
if
not
the
best
example
of
that
kind
of
company
commitment
to
communities
in
the
country.
Right
now,
so
that's
I
think
an
important
backstory
because
we
wanted
we,
we
sort
of
tried
to
ask
them
to
come
here.
They're,
very
comfortably
expanding
in
the
Midwest
and
the
jump
to
come
to.
Florida
was
really
on
our
invitation,
and
these
these
investors
and
they've
been
an
amazing
team
to
work
with,
and
the
truth
is
I
just
think
they
make
us
better
stronger.
Y
They
serve
our
communities,
our
small
businesses.
They
have
this
incredible
philanthropic
Edge.
They
will
lift
the
community
their
gift
to
our
main
streets
and
and
of
course
Tarpon
Springs
is
a
is
a
treasure
for
this
whole
area
and
community,
and
anything
we
can
do
to
make
it
better.
I
think
is
important.
That's
my
posture
in
fact,
I'm.
So
I
was
so
moved
by
the
project
that
I
dropped.
What
I
was
doing
and
now
I'm
working
as
their
operator,
so
I'm
I'm
I,
am
the
person
really.
Y
That
will
be
in
a
relationship
with
you
guys
and
with
this
community
on
a
daily
basis.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
want
to
leave
it
to
the
team.
Obviously,
to
answer
your
specific
questions
and
to
give
their
proposal
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
maybe
put
in
a
good
word
for
them
and
say:
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
honestly
to
to
smooth
the
way
to
help
them
come
here.
I,
I'd,
love
us
to
try
and
I.
Y
A
Y
They
live
shop,
work
walk
so
when,
when
we,
when
coach
can
find
communities
like
Tarpon,
which
are
are
dense
and
beautiful
and
have
Heritage
and
and
I
think
offer
the
promise
of
that
the
sort
of
Reawakening
of
that
kind
of
town,
Point,
Town
Hall
2.0,
is
what
we
call
it,
and
so
creating
these
kind
of
like
dive.
These
Flex
diverse
spaces,
where
people
can
have
birthday
parties
and
celebrations
and
anniversaries,
but
also
work
instead
of
getting
in
a
car
and
going
off
to
work
or
working
at
home.
Y
What
if
they
just
walked
down
the
street
or
got
in
a
car
and
drove
five
minutes?
You
know.
So
it's
an
interesting
question
about
parking
too,
because
if,
if
we,
if,
if
what
we
do
works,
we
will
also
be
serving
people
within
that
quarter.
Mile
radius
and
people
who
live
actually
within
a
mile
or
two
who
might
take
their
bike
to
work
or
might
want
to
come.
Y
You
know
actually
walk
to
work,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
that
that
can
be
calculated
in
any
way,
but
it
is
an
interesting
thing,
so
so
the
sort
of
Main
Street,
the
tarpon
Ave
the
whole
the
whole
field,
the
whole
vibe
of
it
is
perfect
and
the
building
itself
I
think
expresses
something
in
who
we
are
to
find
buildings
that
are
maybe
like
need
a
little
love
or
need
a
little
attention
and
and
need
a
capital
injection
to
make
them
beautiful
again
to
bring
them
back
to
honor
the
history.
Y
That's
that's
part
of
who
we
are
so
that
I
mean.
Could
there
be
a
better
spot
than
darpan
Avenue
I
mean
it's
perfect
in
that
sense.
Thank
you,
sir
yeah.
I
Y
Yeah
we
have,
we
there's
massive
interest
already
in
Tarpon,
in
fact,
unfortunately,
because
of
the
delays,
we're
we're
sort
of
being
cautious
about
making
promises
and
so
on,
but
I
actually
have
about
five
private
offices
already
reserved
or
deposits
down.
So
there's
yeah,
it's
peop
people
are
excited,
that's
our
that's
our
sense.
So
far
would.
Y
100,
no
just
Harvest
Springs
people
they're
hearing
about
it,
there's
there's
a
I
assume,
there's
a
little
buzz
or
what's
going
on
over
there.
What's
going
in
there,
there's
a
warmth
to
the
community
in
a
sort
of
sense
of
welcome,
at
least
that
we've
felt
so
far.
The
local
businesses
feel
excited
I
mean
aside
from
the
pressurizing
of
parking,
which
I
think
I
think
we
all
have
to
try
to
to
solve
or
ameliorate
in
some
way.
Y
Y
Maybe
lifts
that
lifts
everybody
a
little
bit
and,
of
course,
there's
a
again
there's
a
non-profit
Edge
to
us,
certainly
to
me
and
my
career,
and
what
we
want
to
do
really
is
scholarship
as
many
like
people
doing
good
in
the
community
as
well,
to
give
co-working
away
as
much
as
possible,
and
you
know
we're
business.
We
want
to
make
money.
We
will
make
money,
but
but
we
also
have
this
this
other
piece.
This
sort
of
social
Roi
I
talked
about
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
I'm
I'm
30
years
in
the
non-profit,
world.
Y
I
just
don't
know
anybody
that
does
it
better
than
these
guys
in
terms
of
like
you
know,
a
marketable
working
business
that
is
on
a
cutting
edge
of
a
social
technology,
of
how
we
work
and
serving
people
in
a
new
way
that
they
work
but
then
also
loving,
nonprofits
supporting
people
with
cool
social
Enterprise
ideas.
Helping
you
know
the
the
sort
of
faith-based
community
all
at
the
same
time
is
pretty
great.
A
We're
done
with
you
for
the
moment:
Mr
Sanders,
Mr,
Watkins
I,
want
to
ask
whether
any
Commissioners
had
any
questions
with
for
Mr
Watkins
he's
a
principal
in
this
project.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
him
vice
mayor
long.
F
H
AA
AA
Two
others
under
construction
here
on
the
Tampa
Bay
area,
about
one-third
of
those
locations
have
food
and
beverage
operations
in
them
or
will
have
food
and
beverage
when
they
open,
primarily,
our
our
spaces
are
10
to
18
000
square
feet
and
about
one-third
private
offices,
one-third
meeting
in
event,
spaces
and
one-third
common
areas
and
co-working.
AA
That's
in
the
areas
that
we
don't
have
food
and
beverage.
When
we
have
food
and
beverage,
we
usually
limit
the
space
to
about
25
to
30
percent
and
as
as
was
discussed
earlier.
AA
Typically,
the
office
hours
are
eight
to
five
Monday
through
Friday
peak
hours
and
then
with
the
food
and
beverage
operations
that
tends
to
be
evenings
and
weekends.
So
there's
there's
this
very
nice
activation
of
the
space
and
spreading
out
that
demand
for
parking
and
other
services
over
that
entire
period
and
and
we're
generating
we're
activating
the
community.
Basically,
from
eight
eight
a.m
to
8
P.M,
seven
days
a
week
and
and
bringing
more
Commerce
and
more
activity
to
communities
like
this
sure,
thanks.
K
Yes,
sir
I
wanted
to
follow
up
what
is
going
to
be
your
your
monthly
range
and
rent
for
these
private
rooms,
and
you
said
the
common
areas
you,
you
would
have
to
be
a
member
to
be
able
to
come
into
the
common
areas
and
are
you
able
to
rent
private
rooms
for
an
hour
or
two
I
mean
just
trying
to
understand
the
overall
business
aspect
in
exchange.
Sure.
AA
So
13
000
square
feet,
I,
think
3
500
for
the
restaurant,
Luke
and
30
offices.
So
our
offices,
we
have
one
two
three
and
four
person
offices.
We
don't
call
people
tenants,
they
we
call
them
members,
and
so
our
members
typically
are
Ultra
small
small
and
medium-sized
businesses,
mostly
in
Professional
Services
lawyers,
accountants,
digital
marketing
firms,
private
wealth
investment.
These
types
of
companies,
the
one-person
office
is
again
it
depends
on.
Where
do
you
have
a
window
in
your
office
or
not,
you
know?
Is
it
in
a
good
location
or
not?
AA
But
that
range
is
going
to
be
with
all
these
factors,
between
5
and
700
per
month
for
a
single
person
office.
And
then
you
can
add,
you
know
four
to
six
hundred
dollars
for
every
person
in
a
private
office,
and
so
you
know
we
typically
sell
about
one-third
of
our
offices,
will
be
one
person,
offices
and
and
goes
on
from
there
for
the
co-working
memberships,
which
means
you
can
walk
into
one
of
our
locations
and
sit
at
a
desk.
AA
But
you
don't
have
a
private
office
and
those
memberships
start
at
99
and
they
go
up
to
269
dollars
and
you
get
more
meeting
room
hours
and
more
benefits.
You
know
with
the
we
call
a
social
membership,
a
part-time
and
a
full-time
membership,
and
so
those
tend
to
be
month
to
month-
and
you
know
we-
we
see
all
kinds
of
people.
You
know
you
know
grandparents
to
you,
know
teenagers
using
the
co-working
space
people
can
come
in,
they
can,
you
know,
buy
a
day
pass.
AA
They
can
you
know
people
can
bring
their
guests
in
if
you're,
not
a
member.
If
you
want
to
use
one
of
our
meeting
rooms
or
the
event
spaces,
we
have
an
hourly
rate
for
members
in
a
slightly
higher
rate
for
non-members,
so
our
desire
and
our
business
model
is,
is
to
be
a
town
hall
2.0
to
be
a
community
center.
We
want
the
community
to
use
our
space
to.
AA
A
R
K
A
Okay,
I
kind
of
jumped
a
little
bit.
Do
you
do
either
your
Architects
or
your
contractor,
have
a
presentation
that
you
want.
A
Please
go
ahead
and
do
that:
okay,.
AA
AA
I
believe
you
all
have
this
in
your
packets,
so
I,
if
you
don't
mind,
thank
you-
and
this
is
our
project
team
I
won't
go
into.
All
of
this.
I
will
point
out
that
Noel
Cruz
is
a
local
restaurateur.
He
has
six
different
restaurant
Concepts
throughout
the
Bay
Area,
including
one
of
his
restaurants,
that
just
last
year
received
a
Michelin
star.
He
will
be
the
operator.
AA
The
restaurant
called
made
whole,
which
will
be
a
Mediterranean
concept.
Restaurant
Noel
is
mid-40s
outstanding
operator,
very
well
recognized
Chef
owner
manager,
very
Hands-On,
we're
delighted
to
have
him
involved
in
the
project
and
next
slide.
Please
yeah
next
slide.
AA
So,
as
Brian
mentioned,
you
know,
our
kind
of
our
tagline
is
work
meet
live
our
mission
is
to
strengthen
communities,
improve
lives
and
a
quick
equip
people
to
be
greater,
be
a
greater
family
member
or
a
greater
philanthropist,
a
greater
business
person,
a
greater
entrepreneur
and
really
we
as
we
go
into
each
community
side.
Is
you
know?
How
can
we
help
at
the
individual
level
at
the
family
level
and
the
community
level
really
uplift
Everybody
by
people
using
the
resources
that
we
bring
and
the?
AA
What
we
call
engineering
Collision,
how
do
we
bring
the
for-profit
and
the
non-profit
world
together?
How
do
we
bring
rich
and
poor?
How
do
we
bring
people
from
different
ethnicities,
different
age
groups?
How
do
we
bring
them
together
in
this
engineering
of
collision
to
uplift,
everybody,
and
so
we
take
that
very
seriously
and
we're
very
Purpose
Driven
and
it's
reflected
in
in
our
design
and
our
programming
and
who
we
hire
I
think
Brian's,
a
great
example.
AA
You
know
joining
our
team
and
being
a
partner
with
us
in
the
business
and
so
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
their
their
mission
statement
and
their
values
is
something
is
a
poster
on
the
wall,
but
we
we
live,
it
breathe
it
every
single
day.
It's
it's!
It's
why
we
get
out
of
bed.
It's
our.
Why.
AA
As
Brian
said,
we
scholarship
three
types
of
scholarships
that
we
have
give
Scholars,
which
is
to
non-profits
boost
scholarships
as
to
entrepreneurs
and
startups,
and
Civic
scholarships
are
to
local
Chambers
of
Commerce
Police
Department
fire
department,
other
Civic
associations
that
can
need
space
and
want
to
use
our
space
as
either
a
primary
space
or
an
alternative
space.
We
want
to
bring
people
in.
AA
What
primarily
we
do
and
the
question
was
asked
why
Tarpon
Springs
what
we
love
to
do
and
what
we're
all
about
is
finding
abandoned
or
buildings
that
just
have
been
neglected
and
acquiring
those
buildings
stripping
away.
You
know
all
of
the
things
that
have
been
done
to
them
over
the
last
several
decades,
stripping
it
back
to
the
original
intent,
original
design,
original
materials
and
really
let
the
the
original
architect,
architecture
and
the
material
speak
for
themselves.
AA
And
then
we
add
some
cool
design,
modern
amenities
to
that,
to
make
it
a
comfortable,
relevant
fun,
work,
environment
and
then
the
same
thing
we
do
is
we
do
a
ton
of
research
into
each
building
that
we
go
in,
and
then
we
tell
the
story
of
the
of
the
building
the
previous
owners,
and
we
we
do
that
in
and
the
names
of
the
rooms
that
we
have,
or
you
know
the
murals
that
we
put
on
the
on
the
interior
and
exterior
walls
and
in
different
ways.
AA
This
is
an
example
in
in
Springfield
Ohio,
where
it
was
the
Old
Market
100
years
ago
and
went
into
Decades
of
neglect.
Deferred
maintenance
was
abandoned
for
I.
Don't
know
10
15
years,
City
came
to
us
sold
it
to
us
for
a
dollar
we
put
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
into
it.
Put
five
food
operators
in
there
and
it's
taken
a
downtown
that
was
dead
and
is
catalyzed.
AA
This
growth
and
the
entire
city
now
is
experiencing
a
Renaissance
and
that
the
cohatch
piece
was
not
alone
in
it,
but
it
was
catalytic
to
see
New
Life
come
to
this
old,
rust,
Town
downtown.
AA
AA
This
was
an
old
Bank
building,
then
turned
into
a
radio
station
and
then
to
an
office
building
in
Cincinnati
Ohio,
a
suburbs,
Cincinnati
Ohio,
very
similar
type
of
situation
as
what
we
have
here
in
Tarpon
Springs
right.
You
know
on
the
Main
Street
and
again
we
just
brought
cool
design,
modern
amenities,
and
this
this
one
was
sold
out
on
the
day
that
we
opened
as
about
half
of
the
ones
that
we
have.
This
is
in
Lakeland.
AA
We
just
opened
this
two
weeks
ago
and
right
on
the
Town,
Square
and
and
Lakeland
had
a
great
welcome
from
the
mayor
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
Puerto,
Rican
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
the
non-profits
that
were
also
supporting
down
there
and
it's,
if
you're
ever
in
Lakeland,
and
want
to
see
what
akoa
hatch
is.
It's
it's
our
first
open
location
here
in
Florida
this,
the
one
in
Lakeland
was
a
was
an
office
building
before
we
got
it
and
we
just
upgraded
it.
AA
St
Petersburg
there's
an
old
hotel
on
Central,
and
this
one
will
be
finished
in
April
and
it
just
super
neat
old
building,
a
historic
building.
Again,
nobody
could
find
a
use
for
it
and
we've
been
able
to
both
have
a
restaurant
and
office
similar
to
what
we're
doing
here
in
Tarpon,
Springs,
West,
Tampa,
right
on
Main
Street
and
in
West
Tampa
in
a
area.
That's
a
pretty
rough
area.
It's
this
is
one
where
we're
really
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
really
working
hard
with
the
community.
AA
AA
The
owner
of
this
business
didn't
want
to
sell
a
75
year
old,
African-American
businessman,
as
he's
now
our
partner
in
this,
his
Equity
became
his
carry
in
the
business,
and
so
we
are
now
partners
with
Bernard
in
this
property,
still
really
rough
area,
but
you
know
we're
committed
to
uplifting
the
whole
area,
so
just
real
quick
about
Tarpon
Springs,
as
you
can
see,
we've
got
four.
This
will
be
the
fourth
one
to
start
construction,
assuming
we
get
approval,
we're
ready
to
start
next
week
on
construction
again
subject
to
approval.
AA
Yeah,
just
some
history
about
this
building
you,
you
probably
all
know
this
more
than
me
again.
I
won't
spend
any
too
much
time
on
this,
but
we
we
did.
A
lot
of
history,
went
through
all
the
archives
and
really
trying
to
understand
both
the
town
and
the
history
of
the
building,
and
then
you'll
see
it
reflected
in
in
some
of
the
renderings
that
we
have
here
so
again.
AA
Things
that
you'll
see
in
the
space
is
the
patio
event
spaces,
and
you
can
read
it
up
there.
These
are
all
things
that
we
want
to
make
it
comfortable
for
we
like
to
say
that
cohatch
is
an
extension
of
your
home.
So
if
you've
got
a
a
business
meeting
or
a
board
meeting
and
you've
got
the
kids
that
day,
your
kids
have
something
to
do
and
they're
not
just
going
to
sit
in
a
corner
and
play
on
their
phones.
We
put
arcade
games
in
there.
We
put
a
shuffleboard,
we
do
all
kinds
of
things
to.
AA
AA
The
restaurant
uses
it,
and
so
it's
part
of
the
reason
that
our
business
models
successful
is
because
we
get
more
use
of
the
same
square
footage
than
a
typical
office
or
restaurant
would
get
just
because
the
spaces
activated
more
of
the
space
is
activated
more
more
times
during
the
week
than
typical,
single-use
types
of
things.
So
there's
a
lot
of
creativity,
there's
a
lot
of
thought
that
goes
in.
How
do
you
do
this
in
a
way?
AA
That's
convenient
that
doesn't
impact
either
the
businesses
that
is
comfortable,
whether
it's
the
restaurant,
Patron
or
our
members,
and
so
we
spend
months
going
through
our
design
process
and
figuring
out.
What
is
the
best
way,
which
is
what
we
did
here,
and
you
see
the
left
and
yellow,
which
is
the
the
patio
kitchen
and
dedicated
seating
for
the
restaurant
and
then
shared
spaces
between
the
restaurant
and
cohatch
and
then
the
second
floor?
AA
Again
mostly
private
offices
and
meeting
rooms,
it's
more
of
a
pure
office
environment
with
co-working
as
well
on
the
those
white
blocks
in
the
middle
I.
Don't
know
how
many
of
you
were
in
this
building
after
the
previous
owner
abandoned
it.
But
you
know
it
was
in
pretty
rough
shape
and
we're
going
to
put
close
to
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
into
this
project
on
top
of
the
close
to
900
000
acquisition
price
that
we
had
in
this
I
think
you
know
we're
going
to
uplift.
AA
AA
So
this
is
what
we
intend
to
do
retain
all
of
the
original
architecture
and
the
original
flavor.
You
know,
add
a
few
modern
touches
to
it
and
and
really
activate
that
street
for
the
for
the
entire
week.
AA
This
would
be
what
you
would
see
when
you
would
walk
in
again.
Inviting
kind
of
a
coffee
shop
feel
welcoming
someone
into
your
kitchen
to
have
a
cup
of
coffee
to
have
a
beer
whatever
it
is.
This
is
you
know
what
we
are
planning
for
the
entry
area,
it's
just
an
example
of
meeting
rooms.
We
have
meeting
rooms
anywhere
from
four
people
to
12
people
and
our
locations
and
we'll
have
something
similar
here
with
the
tarpon
site
conferencing
facilities,
all
the
modern
amenities
that
you
would
need
in
an
office.
AA
Again,
just
nods
to
whether
it's
the
building
itself
or
to
the
community,
we
we
try
to
not
be
overly
direct,
but
have
you
know
certain
artistic
nods
to
what
we're
doing
a
lot?
We
we
have
three
designers,
graphic
designers
that
work
on
each
project
and
and
really
studying
the
history
of
the
community
of
the
building
and
then
coming
up
with
art
that
we
think
would
be.
You
know
appealing
to
our
members
in
each
location.
AA
So
this
is
a
rendering
of
how
we
plan
to
do
the
event
space,
so
you
know
furniture
that
can
be
moved
around
it's
flexible.
So
again
you
could
do
board
meetings
here,
birthday
parties,
your
book
club.
AA
Whatever
it
is,
and
so
we
we
try
to
create
it,
we
you
can
actually
overflow
into
other
areas.
If
you
needed
more
space,
we
don't
want
to
create
one
big,
huge
space.
It's
only
used
five
percent
of
the
time,
so
we
create
smaller
spaces,
but
that
can
be
linked
together
to
create
something
for
bigger
events,
if
necessary.
AA
Again,
meta
training
concept
from
a
proven
operator,
Michelin
star
for
his
ramen
restaurant
where's,
the
ramen
restaurant
Brian
just
is
it
Florida,
yeah
and
ichikoro.
So
just
really
delighted
to
have
Noel
Tampa
native
worked
in
New
York
for
about
10
years
before
returning
to
the
area
again
rendering
of
the
bar.
AA
And
then
this
is
the
back
patio
that
we
talked
about
earlier
with
the
with
the
second
floor
kind
of
covering
over
it
and
then
with
an
awning
to
provide
the
sun
cover.
AA
The
timeline
based
on
what
we
presented
this
probably
out
of
date,
yeah
yeah
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
go
over
that.
V
A
But
thank
you
you're
welcome.
Let
me
again
check
with
the
commission.
Do
you
have
any
questions
from
Mr
Could.
R
You
could
you
address
my
previous
occupancy
question
at
all.
Yes,
the
max
occupancy
of
the
building
that
you're
going
for
yeah.
AA
So
30
private
offices,
the
way
we
normally
calculate
it
would
be
approximately
two
persons
per
private
office
because
there's
one
two
threes
and
fours
and
then
for
a
facility
this
size,
our
co-working,
would
be
around
a
hundred
to
120
co-working
members.
AA
Yeah,
approximately
approximately
yeah
and
I
think
the
the
thing
to
remember
about
co-working
is
it's
sort
of
like
a
gym,
not
everybody's
there
at
the
same
time,
and
it's
people
just
have
different
work.
Styles
people
are
there
usually
for
the
co-workers
only
for
one
or
two
hours.
So
there's
never.
You
know
in
the
21
that
we
have
open,
there's,
never
a
case
where
100
yeah.
K
As
I
touched
up
before,
and
maybe
one
of
the
general
contractor
come
up,
the
Integrity
of
the
facades
is
some
of
these,
and
you
know
historic
buildings.
I
see
the
back
end
of
the
building
has
a
very
modern
Sleek
look.
Is
there
any
way
to
incorporate
some
of
that
unique
facade,
features
on
the
front
end
on
that
exterior
of
the
building
on
the
back.
AA
I
Question
did
you
consider
it
all
how
you
would
handle
be
since
the
back
of
the
building
has
only
a
10-foot
access
in
the
front
is
Tarpon
Avenue
how
you
would
handle
deliveries.
AA
J
AA
T
701
North
Everett
Street
in
Plant,
City,
Florida
I,
think
we
talked
with
sanitation
and
the
city
extensively
about
deliveries
for
the
back
of
the
building.
I
think
the
existing
buildings
or
existing
takes
deliveries
or
truck
them
in
they
pull
them
in
I.
Think
what's
the
one
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
they
pull
that
in
and
do
a
truck
it
and
trolley
it
in
or
pull
off
the
front
in
Tarpon,
but
I
think
Noel
could
speak
to
deliveries
on
that.
T
If
you
want
to
reach
out
later,
but
I
think
that
they're
they're
intending
to
be
either
small
truck,
delivered
off
the
alley
or
dropped
off
the
Jason,
Street
and
trucked
in
or
in
Trolley,
then
I.
S
So
this
is,
this
is
Safford.
This
is
where
the
bike
trail
is,
and
then
this
is
this
hibiscus.
So
you
know
I
I'm,
not
sure.
If
you're
saying
parking
on
hibiscus
parking
on
Safford
and
Trucking
in
or
offloading
through,
like
the
city
parking,
lots,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
how
you're
I'm.
I
What
about
these
meeting
rooms?
How
many
I
know
I
heard
a
large
configuration
of
small
meeting
rooms?
We
could
make
it
larger.
What
is
the
largest
amount
in
that
you
can
handle
in
a
meeting
room.
T
A
All
right
what
we're
going
to
do
now,
Ms
Vinson,
do
you
have
any
cross-examination
for
the
applicant.
You
do
not.
Okay,
let's
go
through
each
of
the
app
affected
parties,
Mr
Mrs
tarapani.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicants?
Okay,
Mr
Wolf.
W
Actually,
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
in
mine
is
more
about
the
deliveries.
Not
necessarily
daily
trucks
come
in
early,
they
deliver
early
restaurants,
all
around
us
get
that
have
that
happen
during
construction.
During
the
10
months,
I
mean
like
electricians,
plumbers
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
is
to
the
general
contractor
I
think
more
specifically,
typically,
those
vans
and
those
trucks
or
whatever
will
be
there
for
all
day.
W
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
are
they
going
to
be
I,
mean
I'm
down
the
street
a
little
bit,
but
you
know:
where
are
they
going
to
be
parking
deliveries
and
materials?
Throughout
the
day
I
mean
the
city
starts,
really
bustling
around
10
a.m?
And
then
you
know
I
mean
I
mean
I'm.
If
anybody
on
this
board
knows,
I
am
100
pro
business
and
anything
that
grows
in
this.
So
this
is
not
I
just
want
to
best
understand
the
impact
over
the
next
10
months,
because
Tarpon
Ave
has
such
few
parking
spaces.
I.
AB
Name
is
Darren
Thompson
30997
crocodile
Lane
San
Antonio
Florida,
as
far
as
where
how
we're
anticipating
the
staging
and
everything
I
mean
most
of
the
materials
are
going
to
be
all
within
the
confines
of
the
Red
Square.
That's
there,
obviously,
with
the
subcontractors
and
the
amount
of
people
that
we're
going
to
be
having,
as
you
say
it
starts.
AB
Around
10
o'clock
is
mostly
when,
when
the
city
starts,
I
guess
coming
more
awake,
you'd
say,
but
we
would
anticipate
them
using
more
of
the
street
parking
and
leaving
the
areas
in
the
back
for
the
city
like
the
city
parking
in
the
back.
Of
course,
I
could
point,
but
the
parking
behind
and
on
the
side.
That
would
be
more
for
the
patrons
and
the
people
of
the
area.
AB
So
that
would
be
the
intent
as
to
what
we're
doing
and
what
we're
going
to
encourage
our
people
to
and
then
obviously
the
front
on
Tarpon
Avenue.
We
really
would
keep
them
from
parking
in
the
front
and
any
of
the
storefronts
in
that
area.
So
that's
what
that's
how
we
anticipated
in
looking
at
it.
Okay,.
W
A
Okay,
Mr
fackless.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
A
A
A
W
Concerns
over
just
the
the
fact
that
tarponav
is
like
if,
if
by
code
I
mean
again
I'm
pro-business
here
we're
five
minutes
away,
I
mean
maybe
we
utilize
that
free
space,
that's
between
the
Acropolis.
You
know
the
open
areas,
that's
where
they
stage
their
their
trucks
and
go
across
the
street.
Try
to
find
a
compromise.
I
definitely
believe
that
the
recommendations
from
the
zoning
and
planning
commission
that
the
city
should
and
needs
to
find
more
parking,
yeah
I,
think
ought
to
be
one
of
the
the
objectives
that
is
on
the
priority
list.
W
I
mean
this
is
a
prime
example
of
that,
but
effectively
just
try
to
mitigate
the
effect
on
the
businesses,
because
we're
I
believe
we
were
a
great
community
and
we'll
be
there
to
support
you,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
impacted
along
the
way
during
those
hours
so
that.
F
A
Okay,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
the
commission
gets
a
chance
to
ask
any
questions
of
you
for
clarification
or
anything
else.
So
does
anybody
have
a
question
for
Mr
Bull.
AC
Good
evening
I'm
basili
fackless
and
we
own
135
and
139
East
Tarpon
Avenue
I
share
a
common
wall
with
this
building.
AC
We
presently
have
a
parking
problem
downtown,
especially
for
service
oriented
businesses
that
need
to
have
plenty
of
close
available
parking
spaces,
a
five-minute
walking
distance,
which
is
used
as
a
gauge
for
parking
availability,
which
is
a
quarter
mile
for
a
healthy
average
Walkers
does
not
work
for
service
oriented
businesses,
medical
businesses
that
see
the
elderly,
the
injured
people
having
to
meet
an
appointment
time
and
quick,
drop-offs
and
pickups,
for
example,
going
to
the
meat
market
shoe
repair,
an
appointment
with
me
and
my
an
orthotic
Clinic
coffee
shops,
hair,
stylists,
quick
retail
in
and
out
they're
only
approximately
15
on-street
parking
spaces
in
front
of
this.
AC
AC
As
a
historical
note
and
information
for
the
record,
thank
God
for
the
foresight
of
men
like
buddy,
tarapani,
Phil
McCabe,
my
father,
George
and
Uncle
Michael
fackless,
or
we
would
not
have
the
city
parking
lot
on
the
corner
of
Pinellas
and
Tarpon
Avenue
in
the
mid
60s
with
their
own
funds.
They
purchased
the
property,
built
the
parking
lot
and
sold
it
back
to
the
city
for
a
dollar,
and
we
were
told
then
that
we
didn't
have
that
there
was
enough
parking.
AC
Also
our
generation
and
and
and
other
Generations
have
championed
the
parking
issue
over
the
past
30
years
and
encouraged
the
city
to
put
more
parking
lots
downtown
that
have
been
paid
for
through
our
CRA
tax
funds.
Since
this
time
a
lot
of
new
businesses,
including
several
restaurants,
have
moved
in.
This
is
great
we're
all
for
this,
but
there
are
no
additional
part.
There
have
been
no
additional
parking
requirements
for
these
businesses
and
we
are
back
in
the
same
place.
We
were
years
ago,
if
not
worse.
AC
Truly,
we
need
a
closed
parking
garage,
more
angled
parking
and
a
parking
plan
that
seriously
takes
into
consideration
what
the
property
and
business
owners
and,
most
importantly,
the
end
users.
The
customers
actually
need.
I
know
these
studies
or
serious
studies-
that's
great,
but
our
customers
on
a
daily
basis
are
tell
us.
We
can't
come
there
because
we
can't
find
a
parking
space
and
I'll
wrap
this
up
in
a
second
I'm
also
concerned
about
water
runoff,
when
it
rains
there's
a
lot
of
water
that
comes
off
of
these
buildings
into
the
alley
like
fire
hydrants.
AC
Also
for
the
restaurant.
That
is
that's
I,
don't
know
if
if
the
dumpster
is
going
to
be
right
back
there
or
they're
going
to
use
the
dumpster
by
Tarpon
Avenue,
because
originally
I
was
understanding
that
they're
going
to
be
taking
the
trash
to
the
dumpster,
that's
fine!
If
it's
done
properly
but
I've
seen.
Restaurants
drag
drag
garbage
on
the
in
the
alley
there
and
we've
had
an
increased
rodent
situation.
I
don't
want
that
to
come
back.
The
back
alley
is
a
usable
alley.
Yes,
it's
tight,
but
especially
for
smaller
truck
deliveries.
AC
It's
harder
for
larger
trucks,
but
my
concern
there
is
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
this
remains
fully
accessible
because
I
hear
these
talk
about
making
a
pedestrian
alley.
That's
fine,
but
my
business
requires
trucks
to
be
able
to
come
and
they're,
mostly
smaller
trucks,
but
to
make
these
deliveries
if
some
things
are
greatly
modified,
building
size
density,
additional
parking,
various
Logistics.
Maybe
this
could
work
but
as
I
feel
right
now
that
this
existing
that
existing
business
is
especially
service.
AC
Oriented
businesses
will
be
negatively
affected
so
and,
like
I,
said
I'm
very
pro-business
and
I
want.
You
know:
I
want
us
to
succeed,
but
I
don't
want
the
existing
businesses
to
be
negatively
affected,
especially
the
service
oriented
oriented
businesses
that
need
quick,
available
parking.
Five
minutes.
That's
a
long
walk,
especially
for
older
people,.
A
Hang
on
Mr
fackness
does.
Does
any
Commissioners
have
any
questions
for
Mr
fackness.
K
K
The
biggest
concern
you
have
is
in
fact
parking
for
your
everyday
services
that
you
guys
provide,
and
you
you
stress
that
the
the
city
has
at
times
tried,
but
we've
fallen
off
in
finding
additional
parking,
and
you
know
turning
certain
roads
in
the
angle
Park
in
which
seems
to
be
a
slow
process.
AC
AC
Yes,
yes,
I
want
the
building
to
be
fixed
and-
and
you
know-
and
yes,
it's
in
disrepair
I've
had
to
deal
with
that
I've
had
to
deal
with
homeless
people
living
in
there
I've
had
to
deal
with
rodents
because
it
wasn't
properly
taken
care
of
we've
had
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
those
things,
but
we
just
you
know,
obviously
want
to
want
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
want
to
live
and
work
together.
AC
That
is
a
major
concern
is
parking
because
we
don't
have
it
and
then,
as
Mr
tarapani
brought
up
I,
don't
know
what
the
the
vacant
lot
the
old
Forbes
piece.
If
that
is,
if
the
city
is
still
planning
on
selling
that
to
develop
it,
that's
then
what
happens
to
parking
so
that
that
needs
to
be
factored
in.
K
Okay
and
when
this
building
was-
and
it's
really
half
the
size
of
what
the
proposed
application
is
now
when
it
was
a
nightclub,
slash
bar
under
the
hours
did
in
fact
were
different.
So
it
wasn't
too
much
of
a
parking
issue
for
your
business.
Correct.
AC
AC
In
my
opinion,
yes,
I
think
we
need.
We
need
more
angled
parking,
because
people
don't
parallel
park
well
anymore
and
then,
when,
when
the
streetscape
was
done,
we
fought
that
with
with
the
the
state
and
the
city,
and
they
said
it
would
all
be
fine,
but
those
bulb
outs
take
up
parking
people,
don't
wait
for
you
to
to
park
in
a
in
a
in
a
parallel
parking
spot.
So
so
yes,
I
think
we
need
a.
We
need
a
parking
garage.
We
need
a
comprehensive
parking
plan.
AC
We
need,
you
know
whether
it's
a
phone
app
or
something
that
tells
people
where
I
can
find
a
parking
space.
We
need
all
those
things,
but
but
I
absolutely
I
feel
we
need
to
have
a
parking
garage.
25
years
ago,
I
brought
this
up
and
I
was
laughed
out
of
City
Hall
said
we
don't
need
it.
Well
guess
what
we're
back
here
again
and
things
are
getting
more
expensive
and
more
businesses
are
coming
here,
which
is
what
we
want,
but
yes
and.
Y
I
I'll
form
it
into
a
question:
I
agree
with
you
with
the
parking,
and
we
had
another
situation
that
I
put
out
a
questionnaire
to
all
of
the
CRA
people,
and
so
my
question
would
just
be
why
why
didn't
I
get
enough
answers?
I
have
answers,
but
I
would
like
your
answer
to
it,
because
in
there
I
have
we're
going
to
lose
three,
maybe
four
spaces
on
another
project
which
I
don't
want
to
get
into
right
now.
I
But
I
would
like
to
see
the
CRA
funds
being
utilized
for
a
parking
garage
rather
than
projects
that
pertain
to
a
few
people.
Are
you
able
to
answer
that
email
and
agree
that
that
is
something
that
you'd
like
to
do.
AC
I
No,
no
I,
I,
just
I'm
still
ongoing
I,
have
believe
it
or
not
more
yeses
than
those
I'm
going
to
continue
to
pursue
I,
don't
feel
comfortable
spending.
Other
people's
money
I
feel
that
the
people
that
contributed
the
money
should,
like
yourself,
make
the
decision
I'm
in
agreement
with
you.
We
need
more
parking,
but
we
can't
get
it
if
we're
not
going
to.
If
we're
going
to
take
away
parking
for
things
that
are
not
as
important
as
the
parking
so.
AC
Yeah
I
mean
whatever
you
know:
we
need
a
lot
more
parking
so
and
and
I'm
I'm
more
I'm,
for
whatever
brings
more
people,
whether
it's
more
businesses
or
enhancing
our
historic
buildings
and
museums
and
and
whatever
can
bring
more
people
down
there.
You
know
I'm,
not
afraid
of
competition,
I'm,
not
afraid
I'm
I
I
want
my
neighbors
to
succeed.
If
they
succeed
and
I
work
hard,
then
I
succeed,
but
it
just
has
to
work.
The
logistics
of
everything
has
has
to
work.
I
A
AC
AC
I
think
people
had
said
and
maybe
John
can
address
that
question
better
than
I.
F
AC
A
That
that's
all
I
had
you
answered.
I
had
other
questions,
but
you
answered
them
in
the
discussion
with
the
other
people.
F
AD
Good
evening
mayor
and
Commissioners
I'm,
Cindy
tarapani,
you
all
probably
know
my
husband
and
I
own
two
buildings
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
proposed
cohatch,
the
terrapanning
department
store
and
the
Ambiance
Salon,
where
Thumbelina
has
her
business.
I
also
represent
the
owners
of
151
East
Tarpon
Avenue,
where
the
two
frogs
is.
That's
the
alt-w-t-2
and
I
have
their
permission
to
speak
on
their
behalf.
On
these
comments
as
well
as
many
of
you
probably
know,
the
terrapanning
family
has
been
operating
owned
and
operated.
AD
The
chair,
painting
department
store
for
107
years,
I
believe
108
years,
but
we
do
like
to
see
new
businesses.
We
think
that's
important
to
the
health
of
the
city
and
to
our
economic
growth,
John
and
I,
especially
like
to
see
historic
buildings
being
renovated.
So
we're
very
happy
to
see
that
part
of
it.
However,
new
businesses
must
meet
the
city's
code
and
thus
not
negatively
impact
other
businesses
or
the
downtown
as
a
whole.
They
need
to
make
a
positive
contribution
to
the
downtown.
AD
Unfortunately,
this
is
not
the
case
with
the
proposed
cohatch,
as
it
is
proposed
right
now.
The
proposed
use
of
the
office
space,
the
restaurant,
the
meeting
and
event
space,
as
they
described
tonight,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
it
will
be
an
interesting
concept.
I
think
it
will
be
embraced
by
the
city,
but
at
a
smaller
scale,
so
that
on-site
parking
can
be
provided
and
I
believe.
There's
a
way
to
do
that.
There's
a
couple
of
reasons
why
on-site
parking
should
be
provided
number
one.
AD
It's
a
code
requirement,
there's
at
least
three
different
sections
of
the
code
that
allow
partial
parking
reduction
for
historic
buildings
and
if
that
historic
building
only
adds
on
up
to
25
percent
more
as
we've
heard
tonight,
this
building
is
adding
on
51
percent
of
its
existing
building
is
6
400
square
feet
today,
they're
adding
6
750
square
feet.
So
that's
a
51
percent
increase
these
Provisions
further
state
that
if
the
addition
to
the
historic
building
is
25
or
more
of
the
building,
then
you
have
to
provide
parking.
AD
That's
in
conflict
with
what
the
staff
has
told
you
that
the
smart
code
allows
you
to
totally
waive
the
parking
I.
Don't
think!
That's
true
the
statutory
construction
when
you
have
different
code
Provisions
that
are
in
conflict,
is
that
the
more
specific
and
the
more
restrictive
applies.
You
can
ask
your
attorney
to
see
if
I'm,
correct
and
I
believe
if
you
apply
that
that
you
have
to
require
parking
for
on-site
for
the
new
part
of
the
building,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
historic
buildings
to
have
a
waiver.
AD
They
shouldn't
have
to
add
parking
every
time
they
change
use.
But,
in
addition
to
a
building
of
this
size,
the
51
percent
should
have
to
do
the
parking,
but
just
from
a
practical
point
of
view
and
y'all
have
already
realized
this.
How
they're
going
to
get
deliveries
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
park
on
hibiscus
and
wheel
it
in
they
can't
park
on
Tarpon,
Avenue
and
wheel
it
in
the
beer
truck,
can't
just
stop
there
and
stop
traffic.
They
can't
park
on
Safford
and
wheel
it
in
they
can't
park
in
the
city
parking
lot.
AD
The
alley
to
the
north
of
the
of
the
building
that
we've
been
talking
about
serves
multiple
properties
that
are
front
on
Tarpon
and
other
properties
that
front
on
orange.
Many
of
these
that,
along
that
alley,
used
that
alley
and
many
of
them
have
on-site
parking.
For
example,
two
frogs
has
parking
available
there
because
they
have
residential.
On
the
second
floor.
Additionally,
Mr
fackless
has
parking
behind
his
building
the
banter
property
that
fronts
on
Orange
has
parking
and
an
access
off
of
the
alley.
AD
AD
So
this
Edition,
in
my
opinion,
needs
to
be
reduced
in
size,
so
they
could
get.
You
could
have
a
one-way
driveway
in
fought
four
to
five
spaces
on
each
side
of
that
that
could
fit
in
the
50-foot
width.
They
could
get
five
spaces
each
side.
They
could
probably
get
10
or
12
spaces.
That
would
also
allow
them
room
for
the
FedEx
truck
and
the
UPS
truck
to
make
deliveries,
and
for
that
beer
truck
to
come
in.
Obviously
they
come
off
hours,
so
they
could
come
in
and
wouldn't
affect
other
folks.
AD
If
the
project
is
approved
with
no
onset
parking,
the
result
will
be
an
overburden
on
the
existing
lot
for
their
employees,
an
overburden
on
the
existing
lot
for
truck
deliveries,
as
we've
just
talked
about,
and
an
overburden
on
all
the
people
who
are
coming
to
the
cohatch.
No
one
will
be
able
to
park
on
site
they'll
all
have
to
go
dispersed
to
the
existing
Lots,
increasing
that
it
seems
like
based
on
even
your
status
analysis
that
were
really
at
a
Tipping
Point
on
an
adequate
parking.
AD
If
nothing
else
happens
in
Tarpon
Springs,
we
might
be
okay,
although
personally
I
see
that
there
is
a
parking
problem,
especially
has
been
mentioned
for
folks
that
are
handicapped
in
need
or
shorted
distance
and
for
those
service
businesses.
People
are
coming
just
for
one
purpose,
just
to
the
salon,
for
example,
so
I
do
think
short
term.
There's.
There's
two
issues:
I'd
like
to
you
to
look
at
one
is
short
term
on
this
project
that
they'd
be
required
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
building
and
get
fit
in
some
10
12.
AD
You
know
spaces
on
site
to
solve
that
problem
and
then
long
term
I
do
think
we
need
an
overall
parking
analysis.
There
are
parking
Consultants
out
there
who
do
this
every
day
figure
out.
Where
is
there
more
available
surface
parking?
Where
is
there
a
more
available
angled
parking
that
could
be
added?
And
then,
ultimately,
where
is
the
right
location
for
a
parking
garage?
You
always
have
multiple
competing
interests
and
priorities
for
spending
your
money
in
the
CRA.
In
fact,
you
have
tonight
on
your
agenda.
AD
Two
additional
items
you
haven't
discussed
yet
about
two
buying
two
different
Parcels
of
the
Sponge
Docks
is
that
the
priority
is
the
parking
garage,
a
party.
You
have
multiple
competing
interests
and
it's
up
to
you
to
evaluate
those
and
make
a
plan
for
what's
the
most
important
and
then
work
through
your
plan,
priority
number
one
number
two
number
three
Etc,
there's
pluses
and
minuses
to
all
of
them.
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
a
commentary
on
everybody
on
how
to
spend
that
money,
but
I
do
think.
AD
What
is
the
long-term
parking
solution
for
downtown
I
just
want
to
mention
one
other
thing
that
to
reference
what
Mr
factless
said,
I
found
it
absolutely
incredible
that
I
found
out
which
I
did
not
know
until
yesterday
that,
unlike
every
other
quasi-judicial
case,
that
you
hear
a
site
plan,
does
not
require
mail
notice.
It
does
not
require
a
sign.
All
HPB
cases
require
notice
and
a
sign
board
of
adjustment
cases
require
a
notice
and
assign
a
rezoning
requires.
AD
A
notice
of
a
sign
and
the
site
plan,
which
can
be
the
most
affecting
to
a
property
owner
requires.
Neither
so
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
to
be
transparent
about
that,
to
let
be
sure-
and
let
the
public
know
about
these
cases
so
that
they
are
aware
of
it.
If
it's
in
their
sphere
of
influence
within
their
noticed
area,
I
would
encourage
you
to
add
that
in
fact,
you
can
add
it
in
the
group
of
inmates.
AD
AD
I
I,
don't
ask
that
for
any
other
reason,
because
some
of
what
was
explained
to
us
was
it's:
it's
like
a
flex
plan,
I'm,
not
saying
that
they're
going
to
utilize.
Some
of
you
are
parking
spots,
but
they
are
that's
the
way
this
works
there,
so
I'm
just
I'm.
Just
asking
that
question.
That's
it!
Thank
you.
H
Carr
yeah
Mr
Penny.
You
brought
up
something
along
the
lines
of
eight
to
ten
parking
places
available
on
the
piece
of
property.
How
did
you
come
up
with
that?
Well,.
AD
I
was
just
I'm
trying
to
be
reasonable
and
fair,
because
I'm
I
mean
if
they
had
to
provide.
Let's
go
back
for
a
second.
The
size
of
the
building
today,
which
I
don't
think
they
should
have
to
provide
parking
for
under
the
code
would
require
19
parking
spaces.
So
that's
a
that's
a
wash.
They
don't
have
to
do
that.
The
addition
at
6750
square
feet
requires
20
spaces,
so
I
was
just
trying
to
get
to
be
reasonable
to
be
fair
to
allow
them
some
kind
of
an
addition
reduce
it.
AD
You
know
half
or
so
to
and
get
a
space
where
they
like
I,
said
a
one-way
Drive-In.
You
can
get
four
spaces
on
each
side
or
five
spaces
on
each
side.
For
a
total
of
ten,
it
just
seemed
to
be
a
reasonable
size.
Parking
area,
without
totally
you
know,
would
still
allow
them.
You
know
fairly
good
addition.
Okay,.
AD
Adding
more
there's
three
sections
actually,
first
of
all
in
the
special
area
plan,
it
says
this
is
section
4.2.6.
Excuse
me.
The
of
the
smart
code
says
that
the
restoration
or
Rehabilitation
of
an
existing
building
that
does
not
result
in
a
substantial
modification
should
not
require
the
provision
of
parking
or
on-site
storm
water.
So
if
it
is
a
substantial
modification
which
clearly
this
is
because
of
the
size,
it
would
require
parking.
AD
Then,
in
the
main
city
code
this
this
has
been
in
there
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember
at
least
20
years
parked
section.
127.05
e
says
that
adaptive
reuse
of
a
structure
listed
on
the
master,
his
Florida
Master
site
file
of
historic
structures,
shall
only
be
required
to
provide
parking
which
can
reasonably
designed
to
fit
on
the
site
and
still
preserve
the
site's
historic
character.
Well,
it
can
be
preserved
the
historic
psych's
character,
because
they're
doing
an
addition,
they're
not
affecting
the
front
of
the
building,
that's
historic.
AD
It
goes
on
to
say,
additions
in
excess
of
25
percent
of
the
existing
gross
floor
area
which
qualify
as
historic
again
historic
building
shall
require
the
provision
of
parking
in
accordance
with
this
code.
So
under
25
addition,
you
don't
have
to
over
25
percent.
You
do
then
there's
a
third
provision
for
Special
Districts.
This
is
the
same
section
12705.
AD
Any
change
of
use
or
expansion
to
the
following
districts
shall
be
required
to
meet
the
requirements
of
this
article,
where
the
additional
parking
required
is
in
excess
of
20
of
the
total
pre-existing
requirement,
and
then
it
says
essential
business
district
and
the
Spanish
doctor.
So
you've
got
this
long,
long,
history,
intent
of
the
city
to
give
help
and
an
incentive
for
historic
buildings,
but
whether
they're
in
the
downtown
or
in
the
Sponge
Docks.
But
when
you
do
an
addition.
AD
K
Commissioner,
I
want
to
touch
up
with
miss
terrapini.
You
talked
about
doubling
the
density
of
that
one
building
if
and
as
a
property
owner
downtown.
If
at
some
point
development's
going
to
happen,
Redevelopment,
you
know
current
buildings.
What
would
be
the
impact
of
you
know
several
other
buildings,
taking
that
same
precedent
that
this
application
is
applying
for
to
nearly
double
the
density
in
Tarpon
Avenue.
Well,.
AD
I
think
that's.
My
concern
is
that
there
are
other
buildings
that
could
add
on
to
the
they
have
available
lot
area,
for
example,
the
the
salon
on
Tarpon
Avenue
and
next
to
the
Sunshine
Supply
Sunshine
Supply
is
one
building
the
salon.
Next
to
it
is
another
building.
AD
Two
frogs
building
could
be
added
onto
on
the
north
side
of
Tarpon
Avenue,
so
there's
several
more
than
just
one
building
that
could
be
added
on,
and
if
this
is
the
precedent,
we're
setting
that.
Even
if
you
do
a
big
addition,
you
don't
have
to
add
parking
on
site
or
do
some
kind
of
parking
provision,
I,
think
it
you're
gonna
you
just
CR
you're,
just
adding
on
to
the
parking
problem
that
we
already
have.
If
you
had
a
parking
in
Luffy
like
many
cities
do
and
that
parking
in
lieu.
AD
AD
K
I
Thank
you
mayor
how
many
parking
spots
do
you
provide
for
your
store.
I
AD
Two
frogs
has
parking
in
the
back:
they
have
residential
on
the
second
floor
and
the
residence
park
there
sure
Mr
factless
has
parking
limited
parking
behind
his
building.
The
banther
building,
which
is
actually
is
on
Orange.
AD
The
Tea
Room
is
on
friends
on
orange
they're,
going
to
have
parking
behind
and
access
Through,
the
Alley,
the
other
buildings
I
mentioned,
the
Sunshine
Supply
has
parking
behind
their
building
and
the
salon
next
door
to
it
also
has
parking
behind
their
building.
That's
those
are
the
ones
I
can
think
of
at
the
moment.
I
I,
don't
know
how
to
turn
this
into
a
question,
but
I'll
just
say
it's
different
streets.
The
North
Street
is
different.
North
side
of
Tarpon
is
definitely
different
than
the
South
Side.
The
south
side
has,
you
would
agree,
has
a
great
deal
of
parking
there
and
on
the
other
side,
while
the
north
side
has
just
the
alley.
Of
course,
we
have
our
parking
at
the
that
we've
added
on
with
the
church
and
we've
added
on
with
the
Tarpon
Tavern,
but
there's
there's
very
little
parking
other
than
that.
I
You'd
have
to
go
one
more
block
over
to
Orange
to
have
a
any
sort
of
parking.
So
all
of
those
buildings,
like
the
pizza
place
the
twisted
all
of
these.
They
don't
have
parking
well.
AD
The
pizza
place
in
the
Twisted
Orange
by
there
today
a
parking
in
the
back
for
their
employees
and
they
somehow
I,
don't
know
that
they
got
a
permit
for
it,
I'm
not
trying
to
write
them
out,
but
they
have
two
sheds
there
in
the
back
where
they
used
to
have
parking
the
Twisted
orange
now,
maybe
they
got
a
permit
for
it.
I
don't
know,
but
there
are.
AD
There
are
buildings
on
both
sides
of
Tarpon
Avenue,
some
of
them
that
are
built
lot
line
a
lot
line
and
there's
some
that
do
have
parking
in
the
back.
We're
talking
now
about,
what's
nearest
to
them,
I'm
just
trying
to
give
you
some
examples,
but
there
are
all
on
the
entire
length
of
Tarpon
Avenue.
There
are
both
situations,
there's
also
on
both
sides
of
Tarpon,
Avenue,
parking,
lots
and
I.
I
I
So
that
was
my
more
so
my
questioning,
because
most
people
that
do
build
a
business
unless
it's
in
an
open
area
which
Tarpon
Avenue
is
tight
as
could
be,
and
we
all
know
this-
do
we
need
parking
there
wholeheartedly
and,
and
that
will
be
addressed
as
well,
but
I
I,
don't
think
you
can
punish
somebody
because
they
want
to
build
something
that
that
would
add
value,
because
we
do
have
like
I
said
shared
parking,
so
I
know,
I,
didn't
turn
that
into
a
question.
Can.
AD
I
respond
to
that
because
I
didn't
I
didn't
say:
I
didn't
agree
to
any
of
that
that
you
just
said.
First
of
all,
they
have
half
of
their
lot.
Vacant
today
doesn't
have
a
building
on
it,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
provide
some
level
of
parking.
We're
not
punishing
them
by
doing
that,
we're
asking
them
to
meet
the
code
and
if
they
had
to
meet
the
code
to
put
I'm
not
even
saying
they
had
to
put
20
spaces
on
their
lot,
although
they
would
probably
get
no
expansion.
AD
If
they
did
that
I'm
saying
there
ought
to
be
some
level
of
compliance
with
the
code
for
on-site
parking
for
employees
to
minimize
the
impact
on
the
existing
parking
they're
coming
in
new
we're
happy
to
have
them
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
an
interesting
business.
I
think
it's
going
to
add
to
the
street,
but
they've
got
to
meet
the
code
just
like
everybody
else.
Does
I.
I
AD
Well,
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
although
the
planning
department
claims
they
sent
notice
I
never
received,
we
never
received
any
notices.
Clearly
tonight
wasn't
noticed,
but
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
We
never
got
a
notice,
the
board
of
adjustment
case.
We
never
got
a
notice,
the
HPB
board.
We
never
got
a
notice,
so
I,
don't
know
why
that
is,
but
we
never
got
a
single
notice
on
any
of
these.
Any
of
these
cases
that
this
project
came
before,
if
I
had
known
about
it,
yes
I
would
have
come.
AD
Well,
there
isn't
a
notice
there
isn't
a
notice
given
first
hike
plans.
That's
what
I
was
saying
earlier.
The
staff
I
thought
they.
It
got
noticed
just
like
everything
else
and
we
just
didn't
get
the
notice,
but,
as
the
staff
explained
to
me
and
I
checked
it
in
the
code,
that's
correct,
no
site
plans
get
noticed
with
a
mail
notice
or
a
sign.
F
You
is
that
it
yeah.
Okay,
hang.
A
On
oh
I,
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Let
me
go
to
what
we're
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
ask
Ms
Vinson.
Do
you
have
any
rebuttal
for
any
of
the
affected
parties.
S
Yeah
I
do
want
to
just
start
address
the
parking.
S
The
section
of
the
code
that
Miss
tarapani
was
referring
to
is
section
127.05
parking
credits
and
flexible
parking
allocations,
and
that
is
in
the
Land
Development
code
and
that
those
those
credits
were
put
in
place
to
before
we
had
that
that
that's
under
the
Land
Development
code,
the
smart
code
supersedes
that
and
there's
no
reference
back
to
this
section
of
the
code
at
all.
It
does
not
apply
with
respect
to.
S
You
know
her
testimony
that
you
know
that
there's
no
ex!
You
know
there
is
a
there's,
an
absolute
parking
exemption
subject
to
being
able
to
show
that's
what
the
analysis
shows
that
for
that
specific
t5b
downtown
tarponent
that
Tarpon
Avenue
District.
So
this
is
you
know
if
you
accept
the
analysis.
Yes,
sir,.
S
A
A
A
Oh
I'm,
sorry
Miss
Fosse,
we're
not
done
with
the
please
come
forward,
we're
not
done
with
the
affected
party
shot.
Thank.
V
You,
the
Molina
makers,
fos,
my
only
concern
like
I'm
excited.
My
salon
is
directly
across
I've.
Had
my
business
here
in
this
community
since
I
was
19.,
and
this
this
town
has
been
great
and
it's
constantly
growing.
I
am
looking
forward
to
what
I
could
gain
from
your
business
going
across
the
street,
which
is
going
to
be
great.
For
me,
it's
more
exposure.
V
It's
like
a
mystical
map
in
my
eyes
that
it,
you
know,
I,
didn't
know
where
the
parking's
at
here
in
this
community
other
than
mother
mirrors
across
the
street,
where
Falcons
department
stores
on
the
street
in
the
back
of
the
building
again,
there's
no
access
points
other
than
going
up
and
down
steps
when
it
comes
to
people
that
are
disabled.
So
my
only
concern
with
my
business
that
is
Con
continuously
growing
on
a
daily
basis
is
the
parking
and
we
need
the
parking
to
be
within
a
walking
distance.
V
I
mean
I've,
been
told
from
other
people,
follow
the
trolley
time
frame
and
park
at
the
dog
park,
and
it
doesn't
make
sense
something
within
I
mean
I,
don't
care
how
they
get
delivered,
whether
it
be
a
you
know,
helicopter
landing
pad
I,
don't
care
how
my
business
is
growing
and
we
need
to
accommodate
not
just
mine
but
all
of
Tarpon
Avenue.
You
know
and
I
can't
wait.
I
can't
wait
to
see
what
the
business
is
going
to
bring
go
ahead.
A
X
Thinking
there
and
Commissioners
my
comments
are
more
of
a
history
lesson.
To
give
you
some
background
on
what
has
transpired
with
some
of
the
buildings,
including
this
building
in
1984,
Louis
Pappas
and
I,
and
Bill
Howard
of
Howard
Park
Fame
formed
a
little
Hometown
company
called
historical
properties
at
Tarpon
Springs,
and
we
decided
to
buy
historically
an
architecturally
significant
buildings
in
the
town,
because
the
the
town
and
I
think
Mr
La
chorus
can
verify.
This
Costa
was
not
sailing
the
Seas.
X
We
thank
him
for
his
service,
but
it
was
boarded
up,
broken
windows,
a
couple
of
two
or
three
good
businesses
left,
but
the
rest
was
boarded
up.
The
Currents
Restaurant
was
a
Cut
and
Shoot
bar.
There
were
five
feet
of
wine
bottles
under
the
depot.
X
X
it
had
some
sheds
in
the
back
of
the
building
and
we
tore
those
out
to
make
parking
for
employees
of
the
businesses
that
we
were
going
to
lease
to.
We
bought
the
Old
Reliable
building
which,
by
the
way,
is
the
oldest
building
on
the
street,
not
the
frontal
building
the
Old
Reliable
was
built
in
1888,
and
this
was
built
in
1894.
X
same
thing:
it
had
a
carport
in
the
back
kind
of
a
lean-to
shed.
We
tore
it
down.
So
the
tenants
we
made
two
apartments
upstairs
and
had
a
retail
store
downstairs
and
we
put
in
about
six
or
seven
spaces
on
the
vacant,
land
same
thing
behind
currents
and
Sunshine
Supply,
a
bunch
of
sheds
back
there.
We
tore
them
all
out
made
parking
for
employees,
so
the
sensitivity
goes
back
a
long
ways
in
history
as
to
parking.
X
The
I
believe
Ms
Vincent
by
her
own
testimony
her
analysis
of
the
square
footage
versus
the
parking
requirements.
It
fails
because
she
said,
if
I
believe,
I'm
quoting
her
right,
that
there
was
a
10
000
square
feet
left.
These
people
were
going
to
take
six
so
that
left
four.
But
then
she
testified
that
she
hadn't
accounted
for
The
Sixteen
thousand
square
feet
that
the
city
potentially
is
going
to
put
on
the
Forbes
property
novelt
property.
However,
you
want
to
call
it.
X
The
property
behind
fuel
reliable
is
which
is
now
two
frogs
is
owned
by
those
people,
the
property
behind
currents,
Louis
and
I
still
own.
So
there's
all
these
places,
you
could
do
the
same
thing
and
what
happens
I
mean
you?
You
fail.
The
the
system
fails
with
one
property,
the
city
property,
so
at
a
minimum
I
think
mayor
vaticutus,
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
Could
you
turn
the
the
planning
zoning
board's
recommendations
into
a
requirement?
There
should
be
something
about
the
the
parking
I
mean.
Basically
look.
This
is
a
great
concept.
X
X
Don't
because
we
had
a
lot
of
properties
to
lease
downtown,
don't
sign
a
new
lease
if
you're
going
to
lose
your
new
lease
is
going
to
make
you
lose
two
or
three
people.
So
while
this
is
very
exciting,
you
shouldn't
do
a
project,
that's
going
to
cause
harm
to
your
existing
businesses
and
that's
what
this
is
going
to
do.
X
X
You
can
get
impact
fee
credits,
you
can
get
zero
lot
line
and
you're
not
required
any
parking,
because
that's
the
deal
the
city's
made
with
two
or
three
developers,
and
it
would,
it
would
have
been
great,
you
know,
and
it
would
have
had
more
square
footage.
They
could
have
had
16
000
square
feet
because
it's
an
8,
000
square
foot
lot
with
a
2.0
and
I.
X
Don't
know
if
any
anybody
ever
offered
that
to
you
guys
or
told
you
about
it,
but
you
know
it's
it's
negligent
on
the
city's
part,
if
nobody
mentioned
it
to
you
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
I,
just
you
know,
as
it
sits
I
think
you
should
turn
it
down,
even
though
it's
a
great
concept
and
things,
but
something
needs
to
be
modified
or
massaged
to
make
it
work.
Thank
you.
F
K
Mayor
and
missed
hair
painting
elaborated
a
little
bit
on
the
percentage
of
the
the
additional
adding
an
addition
to
the
building.
What
do
you
guys
think,
as
you
know,
familiar
with
your
that
Edition
could
be
to
allow
enough
parking
space
behind
the
building
to
make
it
somewhat
adequate
for
this
application.
J
X
I
was
also
president
of
the
Florida
trust
for
historic
preservation.
So
I
I
got
all
these
mixed
feelings
about
it.
I
mean
my
real
heart
goes:
don't
do
anything
to
the
building
and
keep
the
land
in
the
back
like
it
is
and
leave
it
for
parking,
because
parking's
so
tight,
but
in
in
the
sense
of
compromise
I,
would
think
at
least
the
width
of
the
property
20
feet
deep.
So
you
could
get
a
car.
X
You
know
cars
park
straight
in
and
have
a
potential
place
for
delivery
trucks
to
pull
in
coming
down
the
alley
and
things
like
that:
UPS
truck
Amazon
trucks,
food
trucks
and
things
like
that.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
A
AA
S
S
You
've
gone
through
all
the
procedural
steps.
The
last
piece
of
that
is
the
site
plan,
and
this
board
has
to
determine
the
planning
concerning
board,
reviewed
it
and
recommended
approval.
This
board
has
to
recommend,
you
know,
has
to
review
and
make
a
recommendation.
But,
yes,
you
have
followed
all
the
appropriate
steps
to
get
here
and
the
applicable
sections
of
the
smart
code
in
your
project.
AA
S
A
AA
So
we
we
have
followed
the
process,
each
step
of
the
process.
Approvals
have
been
given
and
based
on
on
staff,
we've
increased
that
investment.
We
already
have
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
over
a
year
and
a
half
invested
in
this
in
good
faith
based
on
these
approvals
that
we've
received
and
any
change
in
that
would
be
a
significant
addition
and
cost
and
time
that
I
I
don't
see
how
we
could
do
that.
So
I
just
want
to
state
that,
for
the
record,
thank.
A
AE
AE
AE
Don't
let
them
change
the
facade
like
that
and
as
for
the
alley,
they'll
never
make
the
turn
off
of
Hibiscus
go
down
the
alley.
It's
so
narrow.
Now,
when
it's
crowded
Uptown
between
the
tavern
and
the
Italian
restaurant
cars
are
parked
in
the
alley
just
so
far
up.
Sometimes
so.
If
someone
came
down
the
alley,
they
can
go
through
the
parking
lot
and
get
out
on
Orange
Street
and
as
far
as
losing
a
couple
of
parking
places.
Commissioner
Eisner
is
referring
to
the
Jitney.
We
all
know
that
you
know
and
that's
bringing
people
in
town.
AE
That's
two.
Maybe
two
and
a
half
the
most.
We
have
the
Stamos
property.
You
want
to
buy
property
in
the
docks,
buy
one
piece
where
the
old
Stamos
Hotel
used
to
be
by
that
property,
make
it
a
parking
lot
further
down.
Safford
Avenue
that
excuse
me
there
are
lots.
I'm
very
upset
over
this
tonight,
you're
going
to
allow
them
to
come
in
change
the
facade
on
a
historic
building
and
we're
going
to
lose.
AE
AE
AE
O
P
Foreign
good
evening,
Peter,
delacas,
514,
Ashland,
Avenue
I,
would
have
to
say.
Miss
tarapani
gave
you
an
excellent
rendition
of
codes
as
to
which
you
have
the
ability
to
deny
this
project.
Mr
tarapani
gave
the
applicants
a
very
solvable
way
to
get
their
business
and
you
spent
some
money
doing
it.
You
always
have
the
risk
coming
up
to
the
final
board
and
get
denied,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
something
that
hasn't
been
talked
about
and
I
want
to
point
you
out.
P
The
universal
engineering,
Sciences
4.4
site,
preservation,
page
six,
and
if
you
go
through
this
I
think
some
of
these
things
that
are
listed
are
going
to
greatly
affect
the
neighboring
buildings,
one
strip,
the
proposed
construction
limits
of
all
existing
improvements,
live
rock
vegetation,
Grassroots,
etc,
etc,
et
cetera
within
and
five
feet
beyond
the
perimeter
of
the
proposed
building
in
all
paved
areas.
How
does
that
not
affect
the
alley?
And
then,
after
that,
the
building
footprint
plus
five
feet?
P
Beyond
should
be
compacted
with
a
15
ton,
vibrator
roller
and
a
high
frequency,
an
amplitude
for
10
passes.
Now.
Maybe
the
mayor
can
explain
that.
Then
you
compact
the
subgrade
to
90
five,
and
then
you
have
to
test
this
upgrade
and
then
you
have
to
put
fill
in
and
then
you
have
to
compact
it
again
to
95
percent,
and
then
you
have
to
test
it
again
and
then
the
last
one
number
eight
compact
all
footings.
So
what
is
all
this
compacting
going
to
do
to
some
of
these
historic
buildings?
P
Neighboring
it
will
it
affect
their
foundation?
Will
it
create
Rock
cracks
in
their
buildings?
So
if
you
are
going
to
allow
this
project,
I
would
say
you
would
require
this
company
to
put
up
a
one
million
dollar
bond
to
protect
any
adjacent
landowners
of
any
damage
to
their
building
from
this
construction.
So
that's
an
issue
that
I
haven't
heard
talked
about.
The
parking
is
an
issue.
Mr
fackless
is
correct.
This
has
been
going
on
for
years
and
I
do
have
to
say.
P
The
city
needs
to
let
the
people
know
that
they
did
leave
the
area
behind
the
bank,
so
that
has
helped
and
agree
with
Mr
facult
it's
far
for
his
business
and
that's
an
ongoing
situation.
But
the
thing
that
really
worries
me
is
this
stuff
about
what
will
happen
to
this
area
when
they
begin
their
construction.
I
know
I've
gone
past
my
time.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
All.
F
A
AA
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
comments
and
for
coming
out
and
I
can
feel
the
commitment
and
the
history
and
the
Legacy
and
the
care
that
everybody
has
for
the
community
and
again
I
appreciate
the
the
process
and
how
these
meetings
are
conducted.
I
I
would
just
say
you
know
we
do
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
community.
We
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution.
AA
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
you
know
we
have
been
in
this
situation
where
you
know
other
businesses
feel
like
they
will
be
inconvenienced
with
us.
Coming
in
and
I
could
name
off.
You
know
four
or
five
different
cities
where
we've
been
through
the
same
thing.
You
know
what
we
found
and
I
I'm,
not
trying
to
minimize
the
issue
here
at
all
is
that
most
cities
have
more
parking
than
they
think
they
have
more
land
for
parking
than
they
think
and
it's
it's.
AA
There
are
ways
to
better,
manage
and
optimize
that,
and
so
I
just
think
that
there
are
certain
things
that
can
be
done
to
better
utilize.
The
parking
that's
already
here.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
we
have
one
employee
in
cohatch
per
day,
so
there
really
is
not
I
mean
there
is
one
person
during
the
day
and
then
the
rest
restaurant
will
have.
AA
AA
You
know,
I
I,
just
want
to
point
out
that
we
came
in
because
we've
been
through
this
several
times.
You
know
we
did
the
research
and
we
looked
at
and
worked
with
staff
at
City.
We
followed
the
process.
We
made
good
faith
Investments
as
we
went
along
in
doing
this,
and
it
just
you
know
it.
AA
It
feels
not
right
that
at
this
point
that
you
know
when
parking
has
never
been
raised
as
an
issue
because
of
the
smart
code,
if
it,
if
that
had
been
an
issue
at
the
very
beginning,
we
may
not
have
invested
here
and
gone
somewhere
else
or
you
know
chosen
different
plan,
but
the
way
it
is
it's,
we
need
all
13
for
this
13
000
square
feet
for
this
to
be
a
viable
project
for
us,
and
you
know,
making
the
changes
that
were
suggested
is
just
you
know:
I'm
just
I,
just
don't
see
how
we
could
do
that,
but
anyway
we
get
it.
AA
S
Yes,
the
the
parking
for
this
project
is
is
determined
by
the
smart
code,
not
the
section
of
the
Land
Development
code
that
Mr
Mrs
tarapani
referenced
that
just
simply
does
not
apply
in
this
situation.
Regarding
notice
for
HPB
and
board
of
adjustments,
we
check
the
records.
Terror
paintings
were
on
that
notice
list.
They
should
have
received
a
postcard
I,
don't
know
what
happens
to
them
when
they
go
in
the
mail,
but
they
were
all
both
notice
lists
for
boa
and
for
HPB
and
then
regarding
the
facade
Renovations
themselves.
S
F
A
R
U
R
A
I
have
a
couple:
I
might
have
a
couple
more
after
I
hear
somebody
else,
but
we
keep
talking
about
Our,
Land,
Development
code
being
superseded
by
the
smart
code.
R
In
fact,
if
you
take
a
detailed
look
at
our
smart
code,
it
defers
to
the
Land
Development
code
in
several
respects:
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
detail
and
read
them,
but
for
starters
section
one
two
four,
it
says
the
existing
comprehensive
zoning
and
line
development
coach
will
continue
to
be
applicable
to
issues
not
covered
by
this
code.
Parking
is
definitely
not
covered
by
this
code,
other
places
in
there
under
intents
as
section
132
that
development
should
adequately
accommodate
automobiles.
R
This
does
not
the
preservation
and
renewal
of
historic
buildings
should
be
facilitated
to
affirm
the
continuity
of
the
surrounding
area,
which
this
may
or
may
not
with
us,
with
a
doubling
in
size.
So
I
haven't
had
time
to
go
through
this
in
gross
detail,
but
I
think
we
need
to
consider
the
fact
that
this
is
going
to
have
a
major
effect
on
our
downtown,
whether
it
was
intentional
or
not,
and
whether
our
smart
code
covered
in
every
facet
I
mean
this
smart
cover
was
done
a
significant
amount
of
time
ago
when
parking.
H
I
mean
my
biggest
comment
is
what
staff
has
provided
for
my
from
their
perspective,
based
on
what
the
code
says
and
I
think
that
really
means
a
lot
in
the
situation.
I
do
believe
parking
in
Downtown
is
a
crippling
at
times
for
businesses.
I
want
to
go
downtown
for
different
items.
It's
really
difficult
to
see
and
find
parking
spots
at
times,
but
other
times
I
am
able
to
find
parking
as
well
too
so
I
do
respect
all
the
parties
here.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
were
brought
tonight.
F
I
I
agree
quite
a
bit
with
what
commissioner
called
just
said.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments.
Parking
is
a
something
that's
come
before
us
for
every
project
that
comes
before
us.
It's
just
the
parking
is
not
good
and
I.
Think
that's
a
separate
issue
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
I
commend
Renee
for
giving
us
all
of
the
facts
and
figures
that
come
into
play.
I
There's
a
trade-off.
Could
there
be
more
parking
issues
with
them?
You
know
going
ahead
with
this
true.
That
is
a
benefit
too
they're,
bringing
a
lot
of
money
into
the
town
that
other
businesses
there
will
also
prosper
from
so
there's.
You
know
it's
a
double-edged
sword
here.
We
all
know
we
have
to
deal
with
the
parking
it's
not
just
here.
We
have
to
deal
with
parking
at
the
Sponge
Docks
as
well.
I
I
think
it's
a
always
a
problem
parking
speeding,
just
everything
during
our
winter
season
and
in
the
summer
season,
as
commissioner
Carr
said
as
well,
you
know
I've
been
there
and
I
can
park
right
in
front
of
where
I
need
to
be
and
I've
been
there
where
I
drive
around
the
block
and
I
park.
Two
blocks
away
by
the
time:
I
walk
back
over
there
there's
three
spots.
Look
at
me
right
in
the
face,
so
I've
had
all
of
these
types
of
things.
I
I
mean
I,
I
feel
for
the
people
that
are
handicapped.
You
know,
I
I,
do
think
we
should
look
into
this
in
a
different
way.
Some
of
the
comments
that
you
made
about
having
a
short-term
parking
for
people,
possibly
with
a
handicapped
parking
sticker.
If
we
can't
get
a
handicap
parking
sticker
from
we,
we
could
do
our
own.
I
You
know
Tarpon
Springs
resident
parking
sticker.
You
know
where
people
can
have
convenience
to
go
in
for
a
hair
salon.
I
know
that
for
Mr
fackless
and
the
beauty
salon
Fridays
is
a
hot
day.
I
know
we
have
issues
with
First.
Fridays
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
goes
on
here.
So
this
is
not
just
an
easy
cake
to
make
so
I'm,
not
in
I
like
to
see
it
progress.
I
have
no
issues,
they're,
not
changing
the
facade.
I
I
We
have
so
many
different
things,
we're
not
in
the
1960s
we're
not
in
the
1940s.
You
know
things
do
change,
I
think
everybody
that's
up
here
has
run
on
Smart
development.
This
is
a
smart
development
to
be
done.
It's
not,
you
know
and
I'll
bring
up
a
tough
subject.
We
we're
dealing
with
a
a
different
apartment,
complex,
that's
huge.
So
for
the
people
that
are
sitting
there
saying
they
don't
want
to
see
it
change.
This
is
a
small
little
area.
I
Those
are
the
same
people
that
have
come
before
us
to
to
completely
change
the
Tarpon
Springs
forever.
So
I
don't
agree
that
this
is
going
to
be
such
a
major
change.
We
do
need
to
know
that
that
parking
needs
to
be
dealt
with
some
way
or
another
I've
had
this
discussion
with
the
city
manager.
I
There
are
plans
and
I,
don't
think
we
should
give
up
any
parking
spots
to
other
items
that
are
going
on.
I
think
that
the
business
needs
as
many
parking
spots
as
possible
and
that's
my
take
on.
K
K
K
But
I
am
concerned
about
those
additional
businesses
in
downtown
Tarpon
Springs.
The
ones
have
been
there
for
a
while
and
they
they
need
that
front.
You
know
that
Tarpon
Ave
parking
to
keep
their
businesses
going,
so
you
know
try
it
away
and
balance
it.
It's
definitely
a
tough
decision
for
me,
but
whatever
comes
out
of
it,
we're
gonna
have
to
work
really
hard
to
help
downtown
businesses,
and
you
know
just
the
the
overall
walkability
and
business
environment
of
Tarpon
Springs.
So
thank
you.
I
Have
you
have
yeah
I
did
want
to
I
did
want
you
to
consider
as
I
did
listen
to
everybody's
comments
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
know
the
woman's
name
with
the
beauty
salon,
but
she
wasn't
against
this
project.
She
just
she
was
more
so
thought
she
could
prosper
from
it,
and
you
know
a
few
people
up
here.
I
know:
Mr
fackless
has
always
wanted
more
people,
so
he
could
prosper
from
it.
Sunshine
can
prosper
from
it.
I
didn't
hear
people
coming
in
here
saying
they
couldn't
prosper
from
it.
I
They
were
just
concerned
for
parking,
so
the
only
concern
that
I
really
had
heard
that
they
really
didn't
want.
It
was
from
Mr
Mrs
tarapani
and
in
my
question,
I
mean
I.
I
just
asked
that
you
know
how
often
are
they
even
open,
so
it
wasn't
that
I
got
a
feeling
that
you
know
going
ahead
with
this
and
giving
him
approval
would
be
a
you
know
detrimental
to
the
city.
K
Okay,
I
did
want
to
also
ask
what
the
just
the
the
facade
on
the
front
of
the
building
I
do.
Think
you
guys
did
a
good
job
in
trying
to
maintain
some
of
those
structure.
The
structures,
The,
Arches
and
stuff
I'm,
not
too
impressed
with
the
back
of
the
building
but
I
understand.
There's
a
moderate
feel
between
you
know,
restoring
and
renovating
buildings.
K
If
it
was
completely
up
to
me,
I
wouldn't
mind
waiting
six
months
to
go
back
to
the
preservation
board
to
make
it
look
sound,
but
we're
here
at
this
decision
now
and
I
guess
we
got
to
make
it
so.
Thank
you.
J
H
Ahead,
commissioner,
thanks
there's
a
couple
recommendations
at
the
planning
voting
board
made
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
board
wants
to
discuss
and
the
discussion.
A
A
First
of
all,
I
I
know
most
of
people
spoke
here
personally
I.
Don't
think
anybody
is
against
business,
downtown
I.
Think.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
many
of
the
people
were
investing
in
the
downtown
when
it
was
dead,
including
the
one
email
that
we
got
today
about
shooting
a
cannonball
across
a
parking
lot
without
hitting
a
car
and
now
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
completely
different
matter
where
we've
got
a
part
parking
problem
which,
quite
frankly,
is
that's,
not
a
bad
problem
to
have
as
long
as
you
can
find
a
solution
for
it.
A
So
I,
don't
really
think
anybody
is
here
against
a
business
such
as
cohatch
I
mean
so
don't
take
it
personal
Mr,
Watkins
I.
Think
the
the
issue
is
the
parking
and
how
do
you
make
it
work
as
far
as
the
notices
and
things
like
that,
I
think
Ms
Vinson
mentioned
I
I
know
the
board
of
adjustment,
Was,
Won
and
then
I
think
the
hate,
historic
preservation
board
issues,
another
notice
and
I
would
suspect.
F
A
When
we
deferred
this
I
think
this
was
was
it
before
the
holidays?
Yes,
yeah.
We
we,
before
the
holidays,
I
promise
you
I
talked
to
a
number
of
people.
There
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
discussion
at
that
time
about
parking,
and
then
that
was
deferred
now
tonight
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
discussion
about
parking
and
I.
A
Don't
think
it's
an
issue
of
so
much
that
people
weren't
interested
I
think
that
there
was
additional
time
for
people
to
talk
and
to
kind
of
get
back
into
that
mode
of
talking
of
the
holidays
kind
of
got
in
the
way.
But
now
everybody's
talking
about
parking,
Again
part
of
the
original
discussion
back
then,
was
to
include
at
least
at
this
point,
maybe
the
next
meeting
or
the
next
meeting
after
to
to
commission
a
parking
study
for
the
downtown
to
kind
of
address.
A
These
sort
of
things
and
I
appreciate
what
Ms
Vinson
does
with
her
analysis.
But
it's
not
it's
not
a
sophisticated
analysis.
It
really
doesn't
lay
things
out
for
us,
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
still
have
to
follow
through
I
think
the
cohatch.
It's
not
the
first
time
we've
seen
your
shared
office.
There
was
another
concept
that
was
in
competition
with
what
we
call
the
Forbes
property,
which
is
the
emptied
lot
between
the
two
buildings
and
that
didn't
come
that
didn't
win.
A
But
at
least
that
was
another
project
that
was
put
on
the
table
and
similar
to
what
you
had
the
the
the
one
issue.
What
I
heard
tonight
is
is
basically
parking
and
and
I
don't
think
it's
aimed
at
cohatch
and
and
I
don't
want
to
wind
up
hurting
prospective
businesses.
Applicants
because-
and
let
me
just
put
it
back
on
us,
because
the
city
government,
through
a
number
of
years
hasn't
done
a
good
job
of
addressing
this
problem.
A
I
think
we're
doing
it
now,
with
with
the
city
manager
going
out
there
and
finding
private
parking
and
leasing
that,
in
a
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
to
provide
public
parking.
In
other
words,
it's
it's
private,
just
for
that
particular
business.
But
then,
when
we
lease
it,
it
becomes
public
property,
probably
prop
parking
for
not
only
the
individual
business,
but
for
anybody
that
wants
to
come
to
the
downtown.
So
that
seems
to
be
working.
A
Okay,
we're
working
on
another
opportunity
right
now
within
that
quarter,
mile
surface,
so
I'm
hoping
that
will
be
coming
forward
to
this
commission
at
some
point
in
the
future.
I
think
the
parking
garage
is
going
to
be
a
reality.
I
I
think
that
people
just
need
to
continue
being
patient
the
location,
the
targeted
location
has
been
somewhat
selected.
It's
an
ideal
location.
The
property
owner
is
interested
in
working
with
us
just
not
now.
A
So
it's
going
to
happen
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
in
the
meantime
we
need
to
continue
working
with
what
we
need
to
do.
The
one
thing
that
and
I
want
to
try
and
make
this
thing
work
tonight.
I
think
it's
a
good
concept.
I
think
that
it's
a
good
opportunity.
It's
certainly
a
way
of
introducing
it
to
the
city
and
I'm
a
big
believer.
If
there's
a
need,
the
business
will
succeed.
A
If
there
isn't
a
need,
there
will
be
another
business
moving
into
your
your
facility
and
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
ways
of
doing
it.
One
is
to
that
one
Planning
and
Zoning
recommendation
of
finding
additional
parking.
A
I'd
like
to
make
that
actually
a
a
requirement
to
to
offset
for
the
addition
which
I
think
would
be
about
18
parking
spaces
and
there's
a
number
of
ways
of
doing
that
in
in
one
you
know,
just
two
one
way
would
be
to
perhaps
approach
there's
a
couple
of
banks
that
have
private
parking
approach
them,
maybe
through
some
kind
of
a
barter
or
something
like
that
and
allow
them
to
have
you
use
18
of
their
parking
spaces
and
certify
that
to
the
city
government.
A
That's
one
idea,
of
course,
the
City
attorney,
who
I'm
sure
is
sitting
there.
Listening,
is
going
to
either
agree
or
not
agree
to
that
approach.
The
other
part
of
that,
of
course,
is
the
city
manager.
We
lease
property
and,
and
it's
been
averaging
about
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
35
36
parking
spaces
about.
A
So
the
net,
if
you
look
at
it
from
that
perspective,
you
could
partner
with
the
city
and
participate
in
that
leasing
program
to
the
tune
of
about
five
hundred
dollars
a
month.
If,
if
that's
the
going
price,
if
it's
less
that's
fine,
I,
don't
I'm
not
getting
into
that
I'm
just
trying
to
find
identify
a
couple
of
different
requirements.
A
For
me,
what
I'd
like
to
see
and
I
know,
commissioner
Carr
wants
to
address
a
couple
of
these
other
things
is
not
necessarily
provide
a
way
of
doing
this,
but
just
simply
saying
that
you
will
provide
the
additional
parking
that
offsets
the
square
footage
that's
being
added
over
what
the
existing
building
is
and
just
leave
it
at
that,
and
then
work
with
the
the
city
staff
in
order
to
find
a
way
of
doing
that.
A
That
would
be
the
one
way
now
if
the
commission
doesn't
like
that
idea-
and
they
just
want
to
approve
the
project
I'm
open
for
that
as
well.
I,
don't
want
to
I'm
just
throwing
something
out
there
for
some
apprehension,
which
I
kind
of
get
a
sense
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
apprehension
on
a
couple
of
the
Commissioners
about
how
to
go
about
this.
So
that's
all
I've
got
to
say,
I.
Think
it's
a
good
project!
A
I,
don't
want
to
hurt
whether
it's
you
or
anybody
else,
because
we
haven't
done
such
a
good
job
with
parking
and
like
I,
said
if,
if
you're
needed
here,
you
can't
speak
now,
but
if
you're
needed
here,
you'll
succeed
and
if
you're
not
then
and
I'm
I
believe
you
will
succeed,
I
think
the
town
is
ready
for
some
new
things
like
this,
so
they
can
explore
that
and
and
since
you've
been
successful
in
many
other
areas,
especially
the
one
downtown
which
caught
my
attention,
I
think
you'll
succeed
here
as
well
I'm
going
to
ask
the
City
attorney.
Q
A
Will
I'm
going
to
let
commissioner
car
you
I
don't
want
to
get
into
you?
I
just
wanted
to
make
my
comments
and
observations
based
on
what
I
heard
and
throw
that
out
there
as
a
as
a
an
option
or
something
that
the
commission
can
consider.
If
the
commission
doesn't
want
to
consider
that
an
emotion
and
we'll
deal
with
that,
but
that's
something
that
I'd
like
to
I
wanted
to
explore
a
little
bit
in
the
comments.
So,
commissioner
Carr
sure.
H
Yeah,
so
the
planning
zoning
board
made
two
recommendations
for
additional
conditions.
H
So
mayor
I
think
you
do
have
a
couple
good
ideas.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
I'm
not
sure
the
how
they
would
be
figured
out.
Do
they
go
along
with
the
building?
Are
they
Perpetual?
Is
it
for
10
years
certain
or
something
along
those
lines?
Those
are
some
things.
I
think
the
staff
would
have
to
it.
H
A
Have
to
figure
out
right,
we
can
make
that
as
a
condition
of
approval,
certainly
at
any
point
in
the
future,
when,
if
we
succeed
and
there's
a
surplus
of
parking,
cohatch
is
still
there.
They
can
certainly
come
back
and
ask
to
be
for
to
really
to
be
released
from
that
requirement.
At
any
point
in
the
future,
yeah.
H
So
I
think
you
made
it
I
think
they
made
good
points.
That
was
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea
to
add
a
as
a
condition
the
board
feels.
Then
the
need
to
approve
this
tonight
based
on
the
evidence
provided
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
then
the
other
part
is
that
the
city
continue
to
work,
to
establish
additional
parking
and
serve
the
downtown
area.
H
I,
don't
really
know
how
we
can
make
that
a
condition
for
this,
because
it's
a
city
position
at
that
point,
so
I
don't
think.
We
need
to
add
that
as
a
condition,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
add
some
type
of
condition
to
this
application
tonight
for
additional
parking.
Thank
you.
A
H
F
A
Any
commissioner
have
any
follow-up.
I
know
you
yeah,
commissioner
Eisner.
A
All
right,
the
very
next
step,
is
to
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
I
And
make
the
motion
a
motion
to
approve,
with
the
condition
that
cohatch
has
to
agree
to.
A
I
Q
Motion,
yes,
commission,
are
you,
are
you
do
you
want
to
condition
it
upon
that
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
the
additional
parking
based
on
the
the
new
size
of
the
building,
subject
to
that
issue
being
resolved
either
by
the
city
or
some
other
entity?
Correct?
Okay,
because
I
mean
something
else
could
happen
where
there's
available
parking
or
they
decide
to
purchase
some
area
which
could
satisfy
the
issue
and
or
the
city
could
satisfy.
I
R
A
There
was
there
any
other
condition:
the
planning
zoning
board
I.
A
A
That
correct,
yes,
Ms
Vincent,
is
that
clear
to
you.
F
B
So
what
I
had
is
that
the
with
the
for
this
to
be
approved,
with
the
additional
condition
for
the
applicant
to
provide
additional
parking
until
the
city
gets
parking
issue
under
in
order.
That
was
what
originally
commissioner
Eisner
said
and
then
I
did
not
get
the
clear
all
of
the
clarification
that.
B
F
A
You're,
saying
is
I
understand
what
you're
saying
is
you
are
making
a
motion
to
approve
the
application,
with
a
condition
that
the
applicant
provide
the
additional
parking
which
reflects
the
additional
square
footage
that
they're
building
until
such
time
that
that
parking
is
made
available
either
by
the
city
that
additional
parking
is
made
available
by
the
city
are
by
some
other
means.
Correct,
okay,
and
to
accept
all
of
the
staff's
comments.
A
B
R
B
A
Mr
Watkins
I
suggest
you
get
with
Ms
Vinson,
maybe
with
a
city
manager,
work
out
the
details
of
all
of
this
they're,
pretty
clever.
As
far
as
how
to
approach
these
sort
of
things
so
it'll
satisfy
the
spirit
of
what
we
approved
this
evening.
Thank
you,
Mr
Watkins,
and
welcome
to
Tarpon
Springs.
I
B
Q
A
Thank
you.
You've
got
the
resolution
in
the
backup
there's
a
couple
of
things
on
this
item.
I
did
a
very
brief
cover
memo
on
this.
The
original
version
of
this
was
a
little
broader
in
scope,
but
less
pointed
let
me
use
that
word
and
it
had
been
reviewed.
Actually
we
discussed
it.
We
narrowed
the
scope
to
the
Anclote
harbors
and
then
Mr
Schwartz
looked
at
the
resolution
as
well
and
and
is
going
to
handle
the
policy
matters
in
a
different
way.
A
It's
they're
included
and
they're
an
implicit
way,
but
not
specific
as
as
it's
written.
In
addition,
the
actual
scope
of
work,
the
original
approach
was
going
to
be
those
two
as
separate
items,
but
then
we
decided
to
go
ahead
and
make
that
an
attachment
to
the
resolution.
So
when
you
approve
the
resolution
this
evening,
you
would
be
approving
the
scope
of
work
as
well.
A
Originally
that
was
going
to
be
just
a
discussion
item
as
far
as
the
draft
goes
and
then
bring
it
back
to
to
the
commission
on
February
14th
I
guess
for
approval,
but
the
idea
has
kind
of
changed
now.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
for
whether
there's
any
public
comments
on
this
item
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
commission
and
then
emotion
and
approval.
Are
there
any
public
comments
here
this
evening
on
this
item?
This
is
item
nine
resolution,
2023
Authority
for
special
counsel.
U
So
I
kind
of
take
exception
to
commissioner
cars
comments
regarding
PNC
members
and
Board
of
Commissioners.
Communicating
I
think
that
this
our
direction
to
the
to
the
special
counsel
needs
to
be
succinct
and
direct
and
I'd.
Also
like
some
clarification
from
the
mayor
regarding
the
the
what
was
the
issue
you
wanted
the
evacuation:
not
what
do
they
call
it?
U
The
Street
vacation
Street
vacation
I'd,
like
some
clarification
on
that,
but
I
think
the
commissioner,
cars
and
I
had
nice
things
to
say
about
commissioner
Carr
last
week,
but
that
was
last
week,
so
I
think
that
your
your
your
condition
is
a
distraction
and
I
think,
frankly,
a
red
herring,
a
red
herring.
Let
me
I'm
sorry
for
okay,
so
the
the
issue
that
he
had
brought
up
was
a
board
of
commissioner
speaking
to
a
Planning
and
Zoning
member.
U
So
the
sunshine
law
says
on
the
section
on
individual
board
members
meeting
with
a
member
of
another
public
board.
The
Sunshine
Law
does
not
apply
to
a
meeting
between
individuals
who
are
members
of
different
boards
unless
one
or
more
of
the
individuals
has
been
delegated
the
authority
to
on
behalf
of
his
or
her
board.
U
A
P
Good
evening,
Peter
delac
with
514
Ashland
Avenue
I'd,
just
like
to
confirm
we
are
speaking
about
the
special
counsel
resolution
and
the
scope
of
services
can
get
any
acknowledgment
that
I'm
correct
on
this
one.
You're
correct
okay,
first
I'd
like
to
go
to
the
actual
resolution
on
number
one.
It
says
certain
topics
stemming
from
questionable,
quasi-judicial
action
and
the
point
I'm
bringing
this
out
is:
there
were
certain
legislative
actions
that
were
done
in
the
process
and
I
don't
see
that
address.
So
I
want
to
point
that
out.
P
That
also
comes
up
on
number
five,
where
it
says
quasi-judicial
actions
and
question
is
the
ankle
and
Arbor.
It
should
be
legislative
and
quasi-judicial
and
I.
Think
there
was
one
more,
but
I
also
want
to
go
down
to
the
last
page
in
the
actual
scope
of
services
and
where
it
talks
about
public
records,
disclosure
and
being
that
I'm
spoken
with
Mr,
Schwartz
and
I
know
I'm
on
the
list,
and
there
are
others
on
there.
Those
who
are
on
the
list
I
would
like
to
point
you
out
to
the
last
paragraph
where
it
says.
P
Therefore,
all
information
that
is
not
legislatively
exempt
for
some
other
reason
and
relates
to
the
investigation
will
likely
become
available
for
public
disclosure
upon
requests.
Following
the
conclusion
of
the
investigation,
all
individuals,
participants
investigations
should
be
made
aware
of
this
limited
duration
exemption.
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out,
but
otherwise
I
think
the
scope
of
services
covers
things,
but
I
do
feel
like
the
addition
of
legislative
needs
to
be
put
into
the
resolution.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Just
a
couple
of
points
that
Mr
coolian
has
brought
up
and
Mr
Galactus
on
the
street
vacation
fee.
I
think
that
Mr
Schwartz
wants
to
focus
on
the
include
Harbor.
That's
what
the
RP
called
for.
That's
what
he
wants
to
focus
on.
If
there's
something
in
that
investigation
that
he
finds
that
would
that
would
kind
of
point
to
something
else
like
the
street
vacation
fee.
A
He
feels
that
that
is
in
the
I,
think
other
or
other
related
ordinances.
I
think
is
the
wording
in
the
resolution
that
he's
got
and
then
also
he
he
what
whatever
there
was
the
issue
of
both
legislative
and
quasi-judicial.
He
specifically
made
a
change
for
his
for
his
own
purposes.
As
far
as
the
type
of
investigation
that
he
he's
not,
it
doesn't
eliminate
anything,
but
he
just
wanted
to
provide
a
little
more
of
a
general
way
of
describing
it
to
provide
him.
Some
flexibility,
I
guess
that's
the
best
way.
I
can
describe
it.
A
It's
not
precluding
any
either
legislative
or
quasi-judicial.
The
legislative
would
be
the
actions
that
occurred.
Let's
say
in
2019
when
the
Land
Development
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments
were
changed.
That
would
be
legislative,
the
quasi-judicial
would
be
the
the
ones
that
we
actually
went
through
for
the
application
for
the
Anclote
Harbor
so
and
he's
going
to
be
looking
at
all
of
that.
R
AF
H
I
just
got
a
comment
about
commissioner
elect
ronics's
red
herring
comment,
so
there's
a
couple
things
that
I
just
want
to
I
think
is
important,
that
the
board
understands-
and
it's
there's
comments
in
this
resolution
as
well.
It
talks
about
clearing
the
air,
restoring
Integrity
of
city
government,
we're
establishing
confidence
with
the
residents
some
of
the
actions
we
have
created
a
cloud
of
Suspicion
and
this
trust
over
the
city
government.
H
This
is
no
way
a
red
herring
situation,
I'm
trying
to
bring
up
in
my
eyes
if,
if
a
sitting
board
member
is
providing
information
to
a
board
who's,
then
making
a
recommendation
back
to
the
board
in
a
quads
additional
hearing.
I
think
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
the
fact
that
information
is
being
provided
to
the
board.
That's
a
different
situation,
you're,
not
just
discussing
the
topic
on
the
way
it's
voted,
but
providing
information
to
the
board
to
make
a
decision.
H
Those
are
things
that
need
to
be
discussed,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
bringing
that
up
and
that's
what
that's
about
again.
If
there's
no
issues.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
clear
the
air,
restore
the
integrative
city
government
and
re-establish
confidence
in
the
residents.
I've
had
people
concerned
about
it,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
a
little
more
information
behind
the
comment
that
I
had
during
the
last
meeting.
So
behind
that
I
mean
the
resolution
seems
like
it
fits
with
everything
that
the
board
is
looking
to
do.
It
seems
like
Carlton.
A
Okay,
let
me
let
me
just
add
to
that
just
a
tiny
bit,
Mr
Schwartz
asked
somewhere
along
the
line,
who's
the
client
and
we
provided
him
that
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
was
the
client,
the
municipal
Corporation,
not
the
commission,
we're
just
an
entity
associated
with
that.
A
There's
absolutely
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
if
Mr
Schwartz
finds
that
there's
been
something
wrong
or
not
done
properly,
that
the
the
commission
did
he's
going
to
provide
that
in
his
report,
I
mean
there's
been
a
change
of
the
commission,
but
on
the
other
hand
there
may
have
not.
You
know
there
could
not
have
been
a
change
and
therefore,
if
he
comes
back
says
well,
you
know
in
preliminary
discussions
this
commission
didn't
do
something
right.
Oh
no!
No!
No!
You
can't
say
that
that's
not
the
point!
Everything
is
fair
game
in
this
investigation.
A
I
I
want
to
make
that
absolutely
clear
to
everybody
whether
it's
me
any
of
the
former
Commissioners
or
anybody
that's
up
here
now
we're
going
to
go
into
the
spring
of
2022
and
and
we'll
just
have
to
I.
Just
will
make
it
clear
that
there's
no
carving
out
of
accountability
here,
they're
going
to
look
at
everything
and
that's
why
I
think
he
asked
a
question:
who
is
a
client?
It's
the
city,
the
municipal
Corporation,
not
the
city
commission.
So,
let's
see,
commissioner
vice
mayor,
Carr
I
mean
Vice
Maryland
I.
F
I
Yeah,
so
I
have
no
issues
with
the
resolution.
I
did
have
one
question:
I
got
it
answered
so
I'm,
fine
with
that
I
don't
know.
Did
you
want
me
to
make
a
comment
on
this?
You
know
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
asking
in
between.
You
know
from
a
Board
of
Commissioners
to
a
commission,
you
know
to
a
Committee
Member
nobody's
asking
the
Committee
Member
how
they
voted
or
should
they
vote,
or
you
know,
there's
no
collusion
like
that.
I
But
you're
allowed
to
ask
a
you
know
a
an
opinion,
no
different
than
it's
not
recommended
that
we
sit
at
a
meeting,
but
we're
allowed
to
sit
at
a
meeting
and
we
have
I
think
everybody
is
sat
in
a
meeting
the
fact
comes
into
play
when
it's
quasi-judicial.
You
have
to
make
the
decisions
according
to
the
evidence
provided
not
from
what
another
committee
member's
opinion
was
or
any
of
your
other
experiences
that
you've
had
in
life.
You
have
it
from
the
evidence,
that's
provided.
So
you
know
we
all
have
different
evidence.
I
F
A
I
I'll,
let
the
investigate
I'll,
leave
the
investigation
up
to
Mr
Schwartz.
J
K
You
mayor
I,
like
the
scope
of
work
I,
think
it
pretty
much
an
umbrella
under
everything
that
we're
just
looking
to
have
considered
and
look
into
I
did
want
to
ask
is
from
the
scope
of
work?
Is
there
a
potential
to
be
able
to
give
us
advice
on
a
potential
revote
or
anything
like
that?
Or
is
it
more
just
the
scope
of
work
of
what's
was
looked
at
or
will
there
be
any
advice
potentially
in
the
future?
If
something
could.
A
They'd
rather
have
the
city
write.
The
policy
they'll
provide
us
something
that
they're
an
observation
that
they
saw
that
they
we
should
probably
think
about
preventing
this
from
happening
in
the
future
or
or
cautious.
You
know
be
cautious.
This
shouldn't,
you
shouldn't
be
doing
this
and
we
would
have
a
policy.
Is
that
does
that
help
yeah.
K
K
A
Yeah
I
think
that
that
is
Mr
Schwartz
said
if
he
sees
something.
Okay,
that
is
of
any
level
of
significance,
he's
gonna,
he's
gonna,
tell
us
right,
yeah
and
I
I,
don't
know
what
that
could
be
I
guess
and
he
doesn't
either
by
the
way
and
and
so
I
guess
what
they're
going
to
do
is
get
into
this
thing
and
they're
each
of
each
of
you
are
going
to
be
interviewed
individually.
That's
right
and
I
would
share
that.
Yeah.
A
B
H
A
Item
10
resolution
2023-07
Mr
salesman.
If
you
could
read
that
by
title
Please
resolution.
Q
L
Chief
young
was
here
earlier
to
do
this
item,
but
I.
Let
him
go
attend
to
a
personal
matter,
because
I
think
this
is
very
simple
and
easy.
Hopefully
I'm
not
mistaken.
L
What
this
simply
is
is
during
the
year
at
times,
there's
probably
average
about
four
or
five
incidents
where
our
fire
department
is
asked
to
review
plans
from
the
county,
because
the
building
or
is
in
the
unincorporated
Pinellas
County,
but
it's
in
our
fire
district.
All
of
this
resolution
does
is
gives
the
ability
for
the
county
to
pay
us
and
we're
not
talking
about
a
big
sum
of
money.
It's
maybe
a
thousand,
but
still
our
services
by
our
fees.
L
This
this
enables
them
to
reimburse
us
under
agreement,
they've
been
doing
it,
but
they
want
an
agreement
with
the
cities.
It
doesn't
happen
much,
but,
as
you
know,
our
fire
districts
go
into
areas
that
are
unincorporated.
So
if
that
happens,
they
got
to
do
a
fire
review.
The
county
gives
us,
with
this
agreement,
full
reimbursement
for
doing
that,
so
I'm
bringing
it
forward
to
approves
and
the
county
and
get
the
money
where
you
know
due
for
assisting
are.
B
F
A
A
R
G
C
F
Q
202302,
an
ordinance
to
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
mending
section
216.00
of
article
12
of
appendix
a
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code
to
reinstate
the
requirement
for
calculation
of
the
application
fee
based
on
land
valuation,
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
That
is
ordinance
202302
read
by
data.
Only
on
second
reading.
A
S
This
director
did
provide
a
memo
ring
guard,
it's
in
the
backup
regarding
that
we
already
have
a
separate
fund
for
the
fees
that
have
been
collected
and
he
provided
how
much
money
has
been
kind
of
allocated
into
that
fund.
The
only
other
thing
I
would
suggest
I
meant
to
update
the
ordinance
the
use
of
the
funds
where
it
says
proceeds
of
which
shall
be
utilized
solely
for
the
purpose
of
acquisition
of
future
rights
of
the
way
by
the
city.
S
F
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Vincent.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item?
R
Yeah
I'm
still
somewhat
confused
as
why
we're
writing
a
draft
ordinance
which
has
language
in
it
that
it's
already
obsolete,
I
mean
as
far
as
the
Pinellas
County
Property
Appraiser,
not
setting
values,
Etc,
and
yet
we've
got
an
ordinance
in
here,
which
specifically
says
all
such
values
shall
be
determined
by
the
Pinellas
County
Property
Appraiser.
So
this
to
me
is
kind
of
counterintuitive
I.
A
I
mean
I
can
get
into
the
discussion
of
why
it
was
amended
in
the
first
place,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
do
that,
and
but
I
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
Ms
Vincent
can
add
to
her
list
of
things
that,
since
she
needs
things
to
do,
she
can
add
this
one
to
that.
One.
S
AF
A
County
Property
Appraiser
the
only
the
issue.
It's
like
everything
else,
I
think
in
principle
it
may
sound
okay,
but
in
practice
there
may
be
some
issues
you
could
do
one
or
the
other,
but
I
mean,
for
example.
If
if
there's
something
that's
worth
two
hundred
dollars,
the
50
thing
and
the
appraisal
is
going
to
cost
eight
or
nine
or
a
thousand
dollars,
or
something
like
that,
then
you
know
it's
like.
Why
are
we
making
the
person
do
that
yeah.
L
V
L
To
find
somebody
that
has
time
to
do
them
and
the
price
is
has
gone
way
up
with
them.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
just
restore
it
and
then
see
how
everything
goes
out
and
maybe
make
some
changes
later,
but
that
that
was
kind
of
the
reason
why
we
wanted
to
store
it
first
then
deal
with
later.
If
we
wanted
to
do
a
different
process.
Okay,.
A
There
are
any
other
comments,
commissioner,
Eisner
anything
on
this.
Commissioner.
Kulias.
No
okay
can
I
get
us
a
motion.
H
B
A
Item
12
resolution
2023-08
budget
resolution,
Mr
salesman.
If
you
could
read
that
by
title
Please
resolution.
AF
You
know
these
items
were
approved
back
in
fiscal
year.
2022
on
the
cover
letter,
I've
listed
a
lot
of
the
major
projects
that
are
being
brought
forward
and
I
just
thought
we
on
the
screen
here,
we'd
list,
some
of
the
major
projects
and
I
can
just
quickly
go
through
them
here.
AF
We've
got
the
city
clerk
new
building
for
2.9
Million,
the
Sponge
Docks
flood
abatement,
2.5
million
Craig
Park
phase,
one
section
A
and
B
design
and
construction,
1.6
million
roadway,
reconfiguration,
Walmart
Huey,
1.4
million
cyber
security
at
the
water
and
sewer
1.4
million
raw
water
wells.
One
point:
rounding
up
to
1.4
million
pent
gross
1.3
million
solar
energy
at
the
water
sewer
plant,
1.3
million
Bay
Shore
septic
of
sewer,
almost
1.3
million
public
safety
building
roof.
AF
AF
The
next
slide
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
them
here.
There's
a
water
line,
Alternate
19,
Bridge,
950,
000,
Beckett,
Bridge
utilities,
908
thousand
and
quote
turn
Basin
848
000
water
distribution,
sewage
collection,
building,
825
thousand
the
proposed
land
purchase
for
South
Florida,
the
Henry
Ross
property,
728,
000
yard
waste
project
and
the
scale
house
714,
000
and
cloth
dredging
646
000.
AF
extend
Pinellas
Trail,
also
called
the
elfer
spur
641
000
Cops
and
Kids
building
design,
six
hundred
thousand
Orange
Street
construction;
five
hundred
thousand
sidewalk
from
Sports
Complex
to
melon
500
000,
the
north
Penthouse
quarter,
Corridor
five
hundred
thousand
the
balance
remaining
on
Sea
Breeze
Drive
sewer,
412
000
Brick
Street
reconstruction
for
Lemon,
Street,
404,
000.
I.
Just
have
one
more
slide
here.
AF
The
sports
complex
400
000
police
vehicles
from
fiscal
year,
2022
being
carried
over
350
000.
Mango,
Street
phase,
two
290
000
Craig
Park
phase,
two
section
c
d,
design,
250
000,
Mausoleum,
roof,
245,
000,
Jasmine,
sidewalks,
232,
000,
the
fuel
tanks,
205
000,
the
tree
survey
for
the
interns
and
their
expenses;
188
000.
Roosevelt,
Seawall,
178,
000,
annual
Street
Paving
150
000,
convert
gas,
chlorine
to
bleach,
149,
000
manhole
and
sewer
line,
rehab
127,
000.
AF
vulnerability,
assessment,
122,
000,
Orange,
Street
design,
120
000,
the
decanese
pump
status,
design,
118,
000
mirrors,
Boulevard
phase,
one
113
000,
and
those
items
total
almost
32
million
bringing
being
brought
forward
from
fiscal
year
2022..
AF
A
Commission
comments:
let
me
go
public
comments.
Any
public
comments,
Mr
jump,
any
remote
access
comments.
H
AF
The
ones
that
you
have
approved
were
bringing
forward.
We've
got
8.2
million,
which
was
listed
in
there
of
arpa
funds.
You
still
have
about
almost
5
million
to
decide
on
to
allocate
for
projects
you're
going
to
select.
AF
H
I
Sea
Breeze,
the
monies-
that's
monies
that
we
still
owe
to
the
developer.
That's.
AF
K
A
AF
We've
been
working
on
an
agreement,
I
got
it
well.
This
I've
been
working
on
an
agreement.
We
got
one
from
them
where
they
did
an
agreement
with
admin.
Health
did
one
with
with
Hillsborough
County
I,
reworked
it
for
us,
it's
still
back
to
them
and
their
their
attorneys
were
looking
at
it.
Basically,
okay,
that's
good
a
contract,
an
agreement
with
that
yeah.
A
AF
A
Thank
you.
No
other
questions
might
get
a
motion
in
a
second,
please
Mission.
B
K
R
A
Yes,
okay,
that
ends
the
make
sure
I've
got
this
all
straight.
That
is
the
resolutions
and
ordinances.
So
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
special
consent
agenda
and
pick
it
up
with
item
seven
commission
direction
of
Roosevelt
Boulevard
property
same
edge
of
the
course
I'm
gonna.
L
Let
you
explain
everything.
Obviously
we
all
know
where
these
properties
are.
They
were
the
ones
involved
in
the
hotel
that
we
we
dealt
with
very
seriously
the
the
two
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
Roosevelt,
the
one
on
on
the
west,
which
we
were
you
know
tempting
in
that
process
if
it
went
through
to
obtain
that
for
parking.
So
so
what
came
out
of
the
blue?
We
hadn't
started
any
discussions,
but
we
got
the
email
that
I
have
enclosed
from
the
owners
of
the
property.
L
The
men
is
offering
us
first
offer
at
the
property
at
a
firm
price
firm
for
now,
I
guess
there
may
be
some
open
for
negotiation,
but
we'll
see
of
1.8
million
and
because
they
want
to
take
action.
If
we
don't
want,
they
wanted
an
immediate
decision
on
whether
we
wanted
to
pursue
going
forward
for
the
understand
they
understand
that
it
has
to
go
to
referendum.
They
understand
the
processes
we
have
to
go
through
to
do
the
gaining
of
a
of
a
of
an
appraisal
which
would
be
probably
the
choice
of
the
board.
L
You
know
where
what
to
send
me
to
do
with
this
offer
from
the
Menace.
The
first
obvious
thing
we
do
if
we're
interested
in
a
course
would
be
me
to
attain
the
appraisal,
to
see
what
we're
talking
about.
The
other
obvious
thing
this
board
will
have
to
do
in
the
future
is
determine
you
know,
kind
of
determine,
to
justify
what
the
uses
may
be,
but
that's
something
down
the
road
we
already
know.
The
one
piece
probably
would
remain
something
for
parking,
but
the
other
two
them
they
want
an
answer
fast.
L
If
we're
going
to
move
forward
or
they're
going
to
proceed
to
do
other
things
with
the
property
they've
gave,
you
know
us
first
dibs
on
it
to
begin
the
process,
so
I'm
bringing
this
to
you
as
as
I
bring
anything
down
there.
Looking
for
property
for
parking
I'm,
bringing
it
to
you
to
see
what
direction
you
want
to
give
me
and
whether
to
proceed.
L
The
investigation
on
the
offer
and
the
finalize
a
a
contract
that
will
go
through
the
processes
almost
like
we
did.
Then
we
were
going
to
obtain
the
place
for
a
boat
ramp,
a
process
leading
to
a
referendum
which
would
probably
have
to
be
a
special
referendum
to
gain
the
property.
So
I'm
here
to
get
your
direction
on
how
to
proceed
with
this.
Okay.
A
Z
Well,
Mr
Scouts
gave
me
first
dibs
here:
I
live
next
to
my
name
is
John
Corliss
and
I
live
at
609,
Hope,
Street,
Tarpon,
Springs,
three,
four,
six,
eight
nine
next
to
Mrs
cootsareas.
So
we
are
two
of
the
three
most
impacted
properties
were
Residential
Properties
I
back
up
to
this
parcel
on
between
Hope,
Street
and
Roosevelt
that
the
hotel
was
going
to
go
in
and
I
look
at
it
every
day
and
I
go
what
is
going
to
be
the
highest
and
best
use
for
this
property
without
adversely
affecting
my
property
value.
Z
So
is
there
something
that
would
be
a
win-win
and
then
I
read
the
letter
that
was
the
subject
of
this
meeting
and
I
go
and
well.
You
know
who's
going
to
object
to
a
park
and
that's
what
the
developer
suggested.
In
his
letter,
my
initial
thought
was
yeah
open
space
right,
Green,
Space,
I,
don't
know
how
you
make
that
work
financially
for
Indiana
city,
or
maybe
they
have
a
budget
for
opening
green
space.
Z
But
it
makes
sense
to
me
that,
from
what
I
short
time
I've
been
in
Tarpon
Springs
a
few
years
that
there
always
is
a
push
and
a
pull
between
the
Sponge,
Docks
and
downtown
in
terms
of
the
festivals
and
the
Friday
night,
or
the
Friday
Fest
and
the
the
different
festivals
they
have
closing
off
dokonesi.
And
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
this
parcel
would
be
a
great
Festival.
Z
There's
the
Sunset
Beach
concert
series,
but
a
true
Festival
grounds
and
I
travel
a
lot
in
the
summer
and
what
attracts
me
in
my
travels,
I
have
an
RV
is
gosh,
there's
a
Blues
Festival
in
Telluride
or
there's
a
jazz
festival
in
Sedalia
or
so,
and
so
in
these
in
cities,
and
this
is
a
big
deal
in
Colorado.
Every
Town's
got
their
festivals
and
I
know
that's
true
with
Tarpon,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
any
real,
true
music
festivals.
Z
So
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
that
it
would
be
really
cool.
If
that
parcel
behind
me
were
grounds
for
festivals,
it
could
be
the
seafood
festival
or
the
hippie
festival
with
reggae
bands.
Music
is
not
something
I
object
to
and
loud
music.
You
know
as
long
as
it's
not
every
night,
it
would
be
advantageous
to
me
personally.
The
way
I
liked
with
the
way
I,
live
and
I
think
it
might
be
advantageous
to
the
time
that
I'm,
not
there
and
I
rent
it
out
as
an
Airbnb
of
short-term
vacation
rental.
Z
It
might
bring
people
into
my
home
so
I'm
in
favor
of
what
the
proposal
is
from
the
developer
or
the
current
owner
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
other
little
parcel
on
the
next
agendamide
agenda
agenda
item
and
how
that
might
complement
a
a
music
festival
area
and
I
can
talk
to
that
now
or
when
that
item
comes
up.
A
Z
20
seconds
well,
the.
A
For
the
1.8
Acres.
AG
AG
Nobody
can
go
into
them
because
of
the
blocking
of
the
street,
so
that
would
be
an
idea
to
use
that
property
as
a
some
kind
of
a
Fairgrounds
or
something
that
can
be
utilized
and
also
you
can
leave
a
part
of
the
Hope
Street
open
and
Hill
Street,
because
I
know
now,
when
there's
something
down
there
and
an
ambulance
has
to
come
in,
there's
no
way
to
go
anywhere,
so
they
have,
to
whatever
happens,
bring
somebody
all
the
way
over
to
Hope
Street.
Q
P
There
are
things
that
come
around
only
so
often,
and
this
might
be
an
opportunity
that,
if
you
don't
at
least
explore,
it
will
be
regretted
for
years
to
come,
as
the
gentleman
said
earlier
about
some
kind
of
Festival
event.
Even
in
the
letter
that
you
have,
it
does
an
ideal
Parkland
with
communal
venue
infrastructure,
potentially
including
an
open
Pavilion
for
events
and
performance,
beautifully
landscape,
walkways
benches
and
open
Green.
Space
is
no
reason
that
something
couldn't
be
duplicated
like
the
Pavilion
out
at
the
beach.
P
This
way
when
festivals
and
events
come
down
to
the
docks,
you
can
have
the
music
and
other
things
station
there,
and
you
can
use
that
parking
lot
if
you
need
for
vendors
and
such
so,
if
nothing
else
that
would
they
at
least
give
the
city
manager
permission
to
get
an
appraisal
and
that
the
city
is
interested
in
further
negotiating
with
the
owners
of
this
property.
And
let's
see
where
it
goes,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
once
they
learn
about
this
will
be
very
excited
to
have
this
option
versus
a
multi-storied
hotel.
G
A
Let's
go
to
the
commission,
do
you
have
any
other
comments
in
Major
League?
Do
you
have
anything
else?
You
want
to
say
no.
R
So
I'm
in
agreement
that
we
need
to
investigate
this
a
little
more
thoroughly.
I
did
some
rough
math
today,
So
based
on
fair
market
value
right
now,
we're
close
to
the
1.8
price
or
within
Striking
Distance
anyway.
R
I
also
did
some
analysis,
their
investment
in
the
property
so
far
we're
going
to
be
giving
them,
like,
maybe
a
1.8,
maybe
a
a
three
percent
compound
interest.
Over
the
15
years,
they've
held
the
property,
which
is
probably
not
too
much
to
expect
in
a
in
a
county.
That's
99,
built
out
so
I
think
we
should
at
least
investigate
it,
but
it
looks
like
an
okay
deal.
Okay,.
H
Yeah,
just
just
to
be
clear,
this
isn't
a
discussion
if
it's
going
to
be
a
hotel
or
Green
Space
I
think
it's
clear
that
the
board
didn't
want
to
see
a
hotel
here
based
on
the
height.
So
that's
just
a
note
to
the
public,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
I
would
like
to
see
this
area
developed.
I
would
I
like
to
see
it
four
stories
now.
I,
don't
want
to
see
it
four
stories.
H
It
would
be
a
nice
extension
and
complement
to
the
Sponge
Docks,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
also
realized
that,
what's
one
of
the
most
scarce
things
in
Pinellas,
County
is
going
to
be
vacant
land
and
on
my
side,
I've
got
no
issues
with
preserving
vacant
land
anywhere.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
do
it.
H
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
at
least
send
it
to
the
residents
as
an
option
for
them
to
make
that
decision,
because
it's
over
the
Mark
was
it
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
now
350
350.,
unless
they
want
to
sell
it
for
3.49
I
mean
I
would
be
happy
to
approve
that,
but
it
obviously
this
has
to
go
to
the
citizens,
and
so
I
would
I
would
be
supportive
to
put
it
at
the
citizens
to
move
it
to
a
referendum
for
vote.
H
A
Okay,
commissioner,
arson.
I
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
we
could
go
out
and
get
a
an
appraisal
on
it.
This
way,
at
least,
we
know
which
way
we
want
to
go
but
to
purchase
it
or
to
even
put
it
in
for
a
referendum.
Unless
you
have
a
game
plan
of
what
you're
going
to
utilize
it
for
I
do
appreciate
that
vacant
land,
but
I
I,
don't
want
to
be
a
land
owner
with
no
idea
of
what
we
want
to
do
with
it
for
anything.
I
So
you
know,
and
and
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
the
question
if
we
do
put
it
in
for
a
referendum.
That's
the
number
one
question:
you're:
okay,
you're
buying
it!
Well,
what
are
you
going
to
do
with
it?
I'm
still
getting
the
Fielding
questions
of
what
we're
doing
with
the
Hoffman
project
you
know
and
and
the
other
the
knockdown
of
the
motel
we've
done
nothing
all
over
all
these
years
and
I.
Don't
need
this
to
add
to
that
repertoire.
I
F
K
I'd
like
to
for
the
city
manager
to
pursue
it,
you
know,
get
the
appraisals
and,
let's
let
the
voters
decide
you.
K
K
Did
want
to
add
that
you
know
what
Mr
Corliss
said
and
Miss
is
music
to
my
ears.
I've
continually
talked
about
with
the
city
manager.
We
need
an
event
area,
an
event
space.
The
the
docs
has
so
much
more
potential
for
festivals,
a
real
Festival.
You
know
so,
but
you
know
I'd
also
potentially
like
to
see
some
type
of
whether
it
be
you
know
something
you
can
construct
or
or
permanent
some
type
of
Bandshell.
That
would
attract
good
musicians.
K
You
know,
so
those
are
my
thoughts
on
it
and
yeah
I'll
definitely
make
a
motion.
K
Right
yeah,
I,
say
motion
to
give
a
motion
for
the
commission
to
give
the
city
manager
direction
to
purchase
the
Roosevelt
Boulevard
property.
A
G
V
R
A
Is
late
the
the
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second?
As
far
as
any
further
commission
comments,
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
comment
but
go.
H
Ahead,
yeah,
just
a
quick
comment:
I
mean
obviously
there's
multiple
things
in
place
here
like
where
funding
would
come
from
the
plans
of
what
could
go
here
and
all
those
things
need
to
be
hammered
out
by
City
staff.
So
those
are
things
that
we
would
like
to
also
have
I
think
some
background
on
yeah.
L
A
Couple
of
things
one
once
the
city
buys
land,
unlike
the
CRA,
where,
if
we
buy
land,
we
can
sell
it
without
authorization
from
the
residents.
When
we
buy
land
we
can't
sell
it.
It's
got
to
go
back
to
referendum
to
be
sold.
That's
number
one!
So
keep
that
in
mind,
which
is
no
big
deal,
but
you
know
you
can
certainly
do
that.
Number
two.
A
We
haven't
talked
about
this
because
of
everything
else
that's
going
on,
but
we
really
need
to
shift
and
kind
of
put
our
thoughts
as
far
as
this
needs
instead
of
needs-based
Economic
Development,
which
is
attracting
new
businesses
to
build
new
locations
and
things
like
that
to
asset
based,
in
other
words,
Place
making
creating
places
for
people
to
come
and
visit.
That's
the
way
our
economy
has
to
go
with
being
built
out,
there's
no
place
to
bring
in
new
businesses
with
new
buildings,
and
things
like
that.
We
can
still
do
adaptive.
A
Reuse,
that's
all
part
of
it,
but
I'm
not
saying
that.
That
would
be
the
reason
for
buying
this.
But
that
would
this
type
of
thing
that
was
discussed
this
evening
would
feed
into
that
kind
of
Economic
Development
approach
that
we're
talking
about.
We
just
haven't
gotten
into
that
yet
because
of
everything
going
on
so
I'm
supportive
of
moving
ahead
and
let's
get
an
appraisal
and
see
where
we
go,
we
could
be
far
off.
We
could
be,
as
vice
mayor
lunch
saying,
is
pretty
close,
so
then
we
can
deal
with
it.
A
Roll
call
was
there
any
other
comments,
roll
call!
Yes,
commissioner,.
F
A
J
A
L
Yeah
again,
for
a
long
time,
probably
eight
or
nine
years
or
whenever
I
first
took
over
being
city
manager,
I've
pursued
for
the
city
to
get
chorus
Park
back,
not
only
because
of
you
know
my
family
being
in
the
history
of
course
part.
But
you
know
I
wish
the
30
year
agreement
we
had
for
that.
Park
didn't
end,
but.
L
Didn't
they
were
not
willing
to
sell
it
to
the
city
and
keep
it
at
that
time?
But
ever
since
that
time
we've
been
trying
making
overtures
to
try
to
get
that
property.
It's
been
a
long
process,
I
think
when
I
started
it
was
at
2
million
for
the
property.
L
We
went
a
long
time
with
our
explanation
and
our
reasoning
that
you
have
a
property
that
has
zero
density
that
is
now
in
the
high
water
hazard
area
that
you're
not
able
to
get
density
with
is
not
worth
it's,
not
a
two
million
one
point,
even
a
property.
In
fact
it
was
up
in
the
middle
of
all
this
processes.
It
was
up
to
sale
for
about
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
all
the
parts
will
put
together.
L
It
was
on
the
market
for
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
then
it
got
pulled
we're
trying
to
remember
and
stuff,
but
it's
been
a
while,
but
it's
got
to
the
point
now,
where
it's
regressed,
that
we
thought
we
were
at
a
a
point
where
we
got
an
appraisal.
Of
course,
we
know
the
owner
got
an
appraiser
because
we
tried
to
use
that
appraiser
and
he
couldn't
do
it
because
they
got
one.
L
Obviously
we
shared
our
appraisal
of
160,
000
and
offered
125
percent
of
the
appraised
value
200
000
well
into
the
350,
is
a
fair
purchase
price.
We
did
not
get
the
appraisal,
but
I.
Imagine
with
the
circumstances.
There's
little
doubt
we
dealt
with
an
attorney
for
a
period
of
time.
Recently
we
explained
it
to
her.
She
asked
us
to
send
us
the
documentation
of,
because
the
accusation
was
that
we
changed
the
property.
L
We
changed
it
to
be
in
a
situation
with
zero
density,
so
we
caused
it
and
and
Miss
Vincent
was
able
to
provided
the
fact
that
it's
been
zoned
for
that
for
many,
many
30
or
more
years,
it's
been
Zone.
That
way,
the
change
was
the
the
coastal
Hazard
area
which
we
have
control
over.
So
so
you
know
we
are
not
the
part
party
that
caused
you
to
lose
that
land.
L
That's
not
the
case,
so
we're
back
to
our
offer
of
it's
valued
at
that,
because
all
you
can
do
is
really
make
a
park
or
something
of
it.
So
that's
the
offer-
and
you
know
I
obviously
I
expected
the
counter
to
the
200
in
the
range
from
the
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
where
I
put
a
put
the
squash,
that's
it
when
we're
pursuing
and
I
tried
trash
tried,
then
Mr
Salzman
got
involved
and
he's
tried
and
all
of
a
sudden
they're
back
to
1.5
million
we've
regressed
back
to
1.5
million.
L
So
there's
only
two
things
in
my
mind:
you
can
you
can
stop
my
nine
year
Pursuit,
because
it's
frivolous
to
deal
with
these
people
and
we're
not
going
to
get
it
or
we
can
do
what
we've
kind
of
talked
and
wished
about.
Our
only
other
option
is
to
pursue
the
taking
of
the
property,
which
involves
the
process.
We'd
have
to
put
together
what
we're
using
it
for
why
and
do
that
and
stuff.
L
But
if
we
want
to
get
this
property
for
the
city,
that
a
lot
of
us
feel
that's
important
and
stuff,
it's
probably
down
to
to
him
in
the
main
is
the
only
way
we
could
do
it
because,
obviously
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
bring
an
agreement
to
you.
It's
got
that
point
and-
and
that's
where
I'm
leaving
to
the
to
the
commission
and
I,
think
that's
the
only
two
options
I
can
see
and
that
someone
can
miraculous
come
around
and
change
his
mind
besides
us.
A
To
the
board
to
see
what
the
thoughts
are
yeah
the
we
had
had,
we
had
a
just
add
to
that.
We
had
an
agenda
item
earlier.
Late
fall
early
winter.
That.
F
A
Z
Yes,
that
parcel
is
compliments
a
festival
of
grounds.
Z
It
could,
in
my
mind,
be
you
know,
weekend
camping
spots,
I,
go
to
these
festivals
everywhere,
and
you
know:
there's
camping
and
they're,
not
cheap.
There's
a
number
of
spots
that
are
dedicated
to
self-contained
RVs.
V
Z
To
chime
in
on
that,
of
course,
I'm
one
of
them
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that,
but
I'm
not
across
the
street
from
it,
but
it
would,
it
would
complement
you
already
got
parking.
You've
got
area
for
vendors.
You've
got
a
two
or
three
thousand
people
venue
for
Majors.
You
know
Regional
music
festival
and
then
you've
got
places
for
people
to
stay.
The
camping
are
some
RV
spots,
which
are
all
you
know,
sold
online
in
advance
and
they
usually
go
real
quick.
So
that
kind
of
is
what
I'm
thinking
about.
Z
If
this
thing
went
to
the
festival
route
is
that
property
would
be
ideal,
for
you
know,
50
tenths
or
you
know
a
dozen
RV
spots
and
30
tents,
I,
don't
know
what
it
would
support,
but
there's
a
use
there.
That
could
work
rather
than
just
you
know,
playground,
equipment
or
maybe
that's
part
of
it,
but
something
to
think
about.
A
No
hands:
okay!
Thank
you.
Mr
jumper,
the
other
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
Direction
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
and
Mr
Salzman
would
have
to
weigh
in
on
this.
We'd
have
to
have
a
land
use
attorney
to
pursue
him.
Q
And
to
pursue
it
under
eminent
domain,
as
the
city
manager
said,
we
would
have
to
establish
a
need
for
the
property
and
move
forward
from
that
direction.
The
and,
as
as
the
city
manager
said,
it's
just
we're
we're
so
far
apart,
although
interestingly,
their
attorney
said
that
their
client
is
interested
in
developing
the
property,
but
as
the
city
manager
said,
I
I
don't
know
what
use
they
can
develop
it
for
so
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
kind
of
a
bluff
or
not
well.
F
A
What
I
have
in
mind
in
in
kind
of
pursuing
this
was
not
use
it
as
a
point
of
bartering,
but
just
move
ahead
with
it.
If
they
want
to
jump
in
there,
I
mean
there's
some
advantages
to
them.
Doing
a
volunteer
eminent
domain
that
gives
them
instead
of
that
property
trade.
There's
a
different
provision
if
it's
involving
a
government
provides
an
additional
time
to
take
that
money
and
reinvest
in
some
property
somewhere
else
without
having
to
pay
taxes.
A
So
we've
gone
I've
kind
of
gone
through
that
a
little
bit
but
and
the
the
need
has
been
a
it.
Is
there
in
the
comp
plan
in
terms
of
the
mini
Park
deficiency
we
still
have
probably
eight
or
nine
acres.
I
know:
we've
added
some
with
some
of
these
developments,
but
probably
an
eight
or
nine
Acre
deficiency
in
a
mini
parks
around
town.
This
is
would
be
one
of
them.
A
There
isn't
any
mini
park
in
that
neighborhood,
so
that
would
be
the
need
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
would
have
to
have
is
to
show
the
judge
the
the
layout.
Yes,
the
configuration
property-
that's
required,
part
of
the
imminent
domain.
As
well,
and
so
what
I
was
asking,
though,
was
do
we
hire
a
separate
land
use
attorney,
or
is
that
something
that
you
would
be
involved
in
I.
A
A
L
And
the
City
attorney
to
move
forward
with
The
Taking
of
the
property.
Okay,
all.
F
A
R
I've
never
been
exposed
to
eminent
domain,
so
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
it,
because
it
sounds
a
little
heavy-handed
to
me.
However,
it's
been
a
park.
It
was
a
park
for
a
long
time.
It's
got
zero
density
on
it.
All
it
can
be
is
either
a
park
or
parking
one
or
the
other.
Those
are
the
only
things
that
don't
have
zero
density.
R
I,
don't
think
that
area
of
town
is
right
for
a
parking
lot
either
I
think
pursuing
this
might
prompt
them
out
of
their
catharsis
to
to
negotiate
with
us.
So
that's
kind
of
just
my
thoughts.
Okay,
commissioner
Carr.
H
Thanks
Mary
city
manager,
I
I,
don't
understand
and
I
haven't
seen
this
come
across
any
other
property,
where
there's
zero
density
on
a
piece
of
property
for
development
outside
of
like
a
piece
of
land
in
the
water
or
something
like
that.
Is
there
any
history
that
can
be
provided
to
the.
L
H
Think
that
would
be
great.
I
would
really
appreciate
that
information
so
I
understand
it.
I
do
not
like
Emmett
domain,
but
I
get
this
situation
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
another
Green
Space
that
the
city
can
utilize
for
for
Parkland.
H
Man
yeah
you,
yes,
I'm
good,
with
moving
forward
with
what
we're
doing
tonight.
I
I
I
I
do
think,
as
vice
mayor
said.
Sometimes,
when
you
move
ahead
with
something
that
you
don't
even
like
you
can
get,
you
could
flush,
somebody
out
to
say:
hey,
either
I
lose
it
or
I
negotiate.
So
there
could
be
that
situation.
I
did
drive
by
it.
Today
it's
a
lot
of
trees
on
the
property.
It
could
be
a
very
good
Park.
I
It's
very
shady:
it's
in
a
nice
little
location,
I'd,
move
ahead.
Those.
A
B
B
H
I
K
I'm
willing
to
move
forward,
I
I
agree
with
the
other
Commissioners
and
vice
mayor
about
the
you
know
the
process,
but
this
is
a
a
need
for
the
future
growth
of
Tarpon
Springs,
the
historic
area
and
the
sponge
Knocks
The
Green
Space
that
we
need
to
for
the
comp
plan
and
I
think
once
this
gets
going,
that
there
will
be
some
better
negotiations
here
in
the
future
so
where
we
can
move
forward.
But
this
is
a
delicate
piece
of
property
that
has
a
lot
of
history
and
for
that
neighborhood
itself
and
I.
K
F
A
You
I
eminent
domain
is
a
tool
I'm,
not
shy
about
using
eminent
domain
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
This
is
one
of
those
cases.
I
have
absolutely
no
qualms
about
now,
I'm,
not
looking
at
luring
them
to
the
negotiating
table
if
they
want
to
volunteer
something
fine,
but
my
sense
is
my
feeling
is
we're
moving
ahead
in
the
imminent
domain
process.
It's
not
like.
We
steal
their
property.
The
judge
is
going
to
determine
a
fair
price
for
this
thing,
based
on
appraisals.
It's
not
like.
A
So
in
the
end
of
the
day,
if
their
property
was
for
sale,
which
it
has
been,
it
will
be
sold,
They
will
receive
a
price
that
is
fair
under
the
court
system.
That's
how
it
works
and
the
appraisal
is
going
to
be
always
get
this
reversed
best
and
highest
or
highest
and
best
use.
One
of
those
two
is
what's
going
to
wind
up
happening
to
this,
and
it's
all
going
to
get
fleshed
out
as
far
as
density.
A
Those
arguments
are
going
to
be
made
so
I'm
comfortable
with
this
and
I've
gone
through
it
before
that's
how
we
built
Live,
Oak
Street,
that's
how
we
built
the
library
and
the
library
some
people
voluntarily
did
imminent
domain.
Some
people
voluntarily
sold
us
their
property,
others
we
took
their
property
and
they
started
yelling
because
they
would
have
gotten
a
better
price.
If
we
would,
you
know,
buy
us
offering
them
that
property
so
I,
it's
a
tool,
I'm,
not
it's
it's
business.
So
in
the
properties
for
sale,
it's
been
for
sale.
A
So
anyway,
we've
done
the
we've
done.
The
comments
commission
comments.
We've
got,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
We
need
one.
We.
I
Have
a
motion
in
a
second
motion
to
give
the
city
manager
approval
to
move
ahead
with
the
eminent
domain.
I
A
Is
there
a
second
a
second
okay
without
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
roll
call
please,
commissioner,.
B
H
A
L
Just
a
reminder:
next,
Tuesday
we
have
a
work
session,
we're
going
to
talk
about
projects.
Not
only
are
we
going
to
talk
about
projects
and
priorities
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
also
some
methodologies.
I
know,
we've
talked
to
some
of
you
about
what
you
want
to
see
in
the
project
list.
How
you
want
to
do
so.
The
processes
and
stuff
is
another
thing
will
be
open
to
have
a
discussion
at
a
work
session
on
again
so
we'll
be
looking
at.
L
L
What
the
priority
is,
what
you
want
to
see
is
a
commission
done
anything
you
want
to
change
in
the
way
we've
been
doing
and
dealing
with
these
things
is
an
open
discussion
to
get
all
those
out
and
start
the
process
for
2023
of
how
we
proceed
during
the
year
on
these
additional
things
we
have
out
and
open
to
add
to
the
projects
that
we
just
saw
on
the
on
the
resolution.
B
A
Thank
you
vice
mayor
law.
Do
you
have
anything.
R
Good
meeting
tonight,
looking
forward
to
next
week's
project
meeting
a
lot.
Thank
you
for
hanging
in
there
with
us.
We
know
it's
late,
so
that's
all
I
have
to
say
all
right.
Commissioner
Carr
yeah.
H
A
couple
things
since
we're
talking
about
properties.
Tonight
we
brought
up
I
brought
up
a
couple
properties,
city
manager
when
we're
speaking
about
appraisals
for
boat
ramps
and
other.
What
was
it?
The
stamis
property
for
the
dredging,
I
brought
the
old
snowden's
property
and
then
the
wetlands
behind
that
I
think
there's
it's
approved
for
I
believe
180
Apartments
I
could
be
wrong.
It
may
be
a
little
bit
higher
and
I.
Think
there's
discussions
with
the
developer
to
actually
buy
that
piece
of
land
and
develop
it.
L
They've
been
process,
in
fact,
the
last
thing
they
did.
They
tried
to
get
I
think
some
more
density
from
the
county
me
and
I
believe
got
there.
So
they're
still
working
those
the
process
he's
supposed
to
maybe
talk
to
me
when
they
get
a
better
feeling
of
what's
going
on,
and
it's
still
in
a
flux
right.
L
H
Yeah
and
again,
the
preservation
of
land
I
think
is
important
for
the
residents.
It's
pretty
clear
that
they
don't
want
to
see.
I
think
the
residents
will
be
really
unhappy
if
they
see
that
move
forward
and
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
to
potentially
partner
with
the
state
with
this
fiscal
year,
budget
coming
up
and
ask
for
funds
for
maybe
a
piece
of
property
for
preservation
or
something
along
those
lines.
But
I
do
think
it's
important
to
Target
a
couple
projects
as
well.
H
A
Going
through
the
nursery
owner,
what's.
L
The
people
who
want
to
do
the
development
there
just
went
to
the
county
to
try
to
get
some
more
okay.
So
it's
still
going
I,
don't
want
to.
As
Mr
Solomon
tell
you,
we
don't
want
to
step
into
I
can't
step
in
with
them
until
they're
resolved,
and
they
want
to
come
back
to
me
and
see
either
if
they're
going
to
build
something
to
for
us
to,
because
the
idea
was
if
they
were
going
to
go
forward.
How
could
we
get
for
a
very
little?
L
H
L
Against
that
project,
in
fact,
I
told
the
county,
you
know
I'm
gonna
recommend
we
don't
Annex
in
you
take
the
problems
it's
going
to
develop,
but
obviously
it's
going
to
be
our
problem
because
it's
right
there,
where
there's
County.
L
Less
than
what
they
I
can't
remember
if
they
did,
but
they
did
not
give
them
what
they
wanted
for
the
density
they
didn't
give
them
all.
They
might
have
gave
them
a
portion,
but-
and
this
just
just
happened
so
we're
waiting
to
to
see
where.
If,
if
the
people
walk
away
from
the
project,
then
then
he
knows
I'm
ready
to
be
the
first
one
to
spring
on
it
or
give
the
city
an
opportunity,
the
first
one
to
spring
on
it.
Okay,.
H
Yeah
and
then
just
to
reiterate,
I
think
it's
important
that
we,
the
city,
starts
targeting
fiscal
year,
2024
that
the
requirements
are
probably
going
to
be
coming
up
soon
to
work
with
our
state
representative
to
get
some
type
of
State
funding
in
this
year.
So
not
sure
what
projects
you
and
the
staff
have
in
mind.
But
some
of
these
larger
projects
may
be
a
good
idea.
If
it's
to
buy
you
or
if
it's
some
other
different
things
have.
H
I've
seen
him
at
the
hospital
actually
during
the
introduction,
but
I
haven't
met
him
one-on-one.
A
H
A
Okay,
anything
else.
That's.
A
I
I
A
K
A
I
have
a
couple
of
things
one:
tomorrow:
we've
got
a
sister
cities
annual
meeting
at
4,
P.M
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
are
yay
ready
to
go
for
that.
Okay,
so
there'll,
be
the
number
of
people
have
increased,
I,
think
there's
40
or
50
people
that
are
going
to
be
there,
which
I
think
is
a
pretty
good
turnout.
A
So
that's
good
the
other
thing
we,
we
kind
of
danced
around
the
issue
a
little
bit
with
the
cohatch
project,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
forget
about
the
parking
study
that
I
really
really
think.
We
need
to
do,
and
so
I'm
actually
mentioning
this
to
you.
So
we
can
do
that
a
Tickler
and
maybe
bring
it
back.
You
know
with
some
kind
of
authorization
to
proceed
with
that.
A
The
last
thing
you
know
a
person
passed
away
this
past
Friday
actually
Saturday
that
I
won't
say
he
was
a
close
friend,
but
I
will
say
he
was
a
kindred
spirit.
He
was
a
type
of
person
that
you
don't
see
for
a
while
and
then
you
you
run
into
them.
It's
like
you
just
saw
him
yesterday
and
he's
a
person
that
everybody
liked
and
he
had
a.
A
He
had
a
way
of
of
speaking
his
mind
that
people
weren't
offended
at
the
end
of
it
and
he
loved
people,
and
there
were
a
few
people
he
didn't
like,
but
he
you
know
in
the
end
of
the
day
you
understood
where
you
stood
with
him
and
that
was
Lazada
Thomas
his
family
was
his
parents.
Actually
his
dad
was
for
Megan.
His
dad
was
actually
a
very
close
friend
of
my
dad
I
would
say
best
of
friends
his
yanaki.
What's
on
us,
this
is
lazwitzanas.
A
Laz
lived
in
the
Hope
Patton
house
right
there
before
the
townhouses
went
in
down
there
on
Athens
Street,
so
he's
been
around
a
long
time,
I
I
know
we
describe
it
in
the
fact
that
he's
passed
away,
but
in
my
mind,
he's
not
gone
at
least
at
my
age.
I
know
I'm,
going
to
see
him
pretty
soon
again
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Relatively
soon
my
wife
says
hopefully
not
too
soon,
but
but
he
was
a
really
really
a
great
guy
and
he's
going
to
be
sorely
missed
in
town
I.
A
G
A
Right
and
the
the
details
are
on
dobie's
funeral
home,
so
that's
all
I
have
it
was
a
good
meeting.
A
I
think
Mr
Watkins
from
cohatch
was
impressed
with
the
way
we
went
through
that
without
a
lot
of
hand,
ringing
and
stuff
like
that,
so
I'm
very
again,
I'm
very
proud
of
you,
all
speaking
your
mind
and
being
able
to
come
to
closure
on
a
project
like
that.
That
I
think
is
important
to
the
city,
but
face
some
challenges
to
get
it
done
too.
So,
thank
you
for
that
meeting
adjourned
at
11,
56.