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A
A
Okay,
before
we
go
to,
we
normally
have
an
invocation
and
a
pledge
of
allegiance,
but
we
don't
do
that
for
special
sessions.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
Also,
this
meeting
is
televised.
So
that's
another
comment
we're
going
to
before
we
get
into
the
agenda,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
start
public
comments
on
anything,
that's
not
on
the
agenda.
If
anyone
has
any
public
comments
that
on
anything,
that
is
not
on
the
agenda.
C
So
I
said
again
that
Mark
you've
handled
this
with
a
lot
of
Grace
and
humility
through
all
this
process
and
I'm,
proud
of
how
you've
endured
and
continue
to
think
of
the
city
first.
C
So
my
scripture
for
tonight
is
from
Jeremiah
29..
C
This
is
what
the
Lord
Almighty,
the
god
of
Israel,
says
to
all
those
I
carried
into
Exile
from
Jerusalem
to
Babylon,
build
houses
and
settle
down
plant
Gardens
and
eat
what
they
produce
Mary,
and
have
sons
and
daughters
find
wise
for
your
sons
and
give
your
daughters
in
marriage
so
that
they
may
too
have
sons
and
daughters.
Yes,
this
is
what
the
Lord
Almighty,
the
god
of
Israel,
says,
do
not
let
the
prophets
and
diviners
among
you
deceive.
You
do
not
listen
to
the
dreams
you
encourage
them
to
have.
C
They
are
prophesizing
lies
to
you
in
my
name:
I
have
not
sent
them,
and
this
is
the
passage
I
think
is
a
little
relevant.
This
is
what
the
Lord
said
when
70
years
are
completed
for
Babylon
I
will
come
to
you
and
fill
fill.
My
gracious
promise
to
bring
you
back
to
this
place
for
I
know
the
Lord
has
plans
for
you
declares
the
Lord
plans
to
prosper
you
and
not
to
harm
you
plans
to
give
you
hope
and
a
future.
C
C
C
E
C
C
A
F
G
Sharon
Landrum
45
West,
MLK,
Junior,
Drive,
Tarpon
Springs
I
would
like
to
thank
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
the
mayor,
the
candidates
for
city
manager
and
all
of
the
city
staff
are
persevering
during
the
weekend
to
resolve
the
need
for
a
city
manager,
so
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
all
of
you.
A
These
are
the
this
is
the
organization
that
we
use
for
our
search.
They've
done
an
outstanding
job
all
along
and
also
have
provided
us
a
terrific
packet
of
information
and
also
additional
details
on
each
of
the
candidates
I'm
going
to
introduce
the
candidates
by
alphabetical
order.
That's
the
way
Mr
slavin
had
conducted
it
in
terms
of
the
packet.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
introduce
first
Mr
John
leggy.
If
you
could
stand
Mr
legging
and
then
also
Mr,
Rick,
rudel
metkin,.
A
H
Thank
you
honorable
mayor
vice
mayor
Commissioners,
as
mayor
said,
my
name
is
John
leggee
and
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
do
some
things
myself,
I
think
Mr,
slavin
and
Miss
Lipscomb
has
done
a
wonderful
job
and
it's
been
such
a
smooth
transition
coming
here
with
the
interviews
and
and
the
scheduling,
so
I
really
want
to
express
my
appreciation
to
what
they've
done
also
to
City
staff.
As
far
as
the
tours
and
city
manager
for
making
the
arrangements
it's
been
very,
very
smooth
and
and
been
very
successful.
H
Also
to
the
community,
I
thought
the
meet
and
greet
was
wonderful.
I
got
an
opportunity
to
really
get
a
feel
for
what
the
community
is.
Looking
for
and
Desiring
and
I
think
that
was
was
amicable
and
also
to
the
commission
here
for
Europe,
for
the
opportunity
for
the
selection
process
and
in
a
smooth
selection
process.
I
did
attend
first
Friday
last
night
and
really
thought
and
really
was
excited
about
the
Vibrance
of
the
community.
H
The
excitement
of
the
community
wasn't
my
first
time
that
I've
actually
visited
Fort
Myers
I've
had
ties
to
Fort
Myers
for
a
long
time.
Daughter,
son-in-law
and
grandkids
live
here,
and
it's
it's
a
wonderful
community.
So
no
matter
what
happens,
I'll
end
up
being
a
resident
of
Tarpon
Springs
at
some
point
in
time.
H
Just
a
little
bit
of
background
about
myself
was
born
and
raised
in
Louisville,
Kentucky
I
grew
up,
joined
the
military
at
a
very
early
age
as
an
enlisted
folk
and
spent
about
five
or
six
years
in
the
military
and
at
some
point
in
time,
really
really
liked
it
and
knew
I
had
to
make
a
career
out
of
it.
So
I
knew
one
of
the
big
things
I
had
to
do
is
actually
to
get
an
education,
so
I
actually
went
through
the
Navy.
H
Through
a
program
the
Navy
had
was
enlisted
commissioning
program
where
they
actually
selected
a
hundred
people
Navy
wide
and
allowed
them.
In
this
program.
The
program
sent
me
to
the
University
of
Florida,
where
I
got
my
degree
in
accounting
for
the
University
of
Florida
and
the
day
I
received.
My
degree
was
the
day
I
got
commissioned
as
a
commissioned
officer
in
the
United
States
Navy
went
on
to
get
my
MBA
during
my
time
in
the
military
and
spent
21
years
in
the
Navy
as
a
United
States
naval
officer.
H
My
last
job
I
was
the
aviation
support
department
head
for
Naval,
Air,
Station,
Jacksonville
Florida,
so
I
spent
some
time
there
I
did
tours
in
the
Mediterranean
and
also
in
the
Caribbean.
So
a
long
tour,
a
long
rewarding
career
and
in
the
military
upon
retirement
from
the
military
I
fell
back
on
my
accounting
degree
that
I
received
from
the
University
of
Florida
and
went
into
public
accounting
for
about
six
or
seven
years,
and
that's
where
I
started
to
really
understand
how
Municipal
and
County
operations
operated.
H
Certainly
the
big
Financial
background
I
did
audits
of
local
governments,
including
cities,
counties
and
Special
Districts,
so
started
to
sharpen
my
skills,
and
if
you
really
understand
the
finances
of
different
communities,
the
different
counties
and
different
cities,
you
start
to
understand
how
those
operations
work.
So
that's
why
I
started
to
kind
of
develop
my
understanding
of
Municipal
operations.
H
I
took
my
first
public
sector
job
in
Sumter,
County
Florida,
where
I
was
the
finance
director
for
the
entire
County,
and
so
I
really
received
a
lot
of
understanding
of
County
operations
and
we're
at
the
county.
You
start
dealing
with
municipalities
so
again
starting
to
sharpen
those
skills.
As
far
as
far
as
that's
concerned,
then,
I
went
from
Sumter
County
to
the
city
of
Ocala.
City
of
Ocala
is
a
city
of
about
65
000
population
47
square
miles,
with
a
budget
of
capital
in
the
operating
budget
of
about
600
million
dollars.
H
My
role
there
was,
as
the
Chief
Financial,
Officer
and
assistant
city
manager,
very,
very
rewarding.
The
community
was
a
little
bit
behind
the
times.
It
took
a
lot
of
work
to
get
them
up
to
speed,
and
after
about
three
years
we
were.
We
had
clean,
Audits
and
and
we're
very,
very
good
Financial
shape.
H
I
left
the
city
of
Ocala
and
went
to
the
city
of
Sarasota
just
down
the
road
here
originally
for
the
first
three
years
as
the
finance
director
Sarasota
has
a
population
of
about
55
000
about
15
square
miles
about
the
same
size
as
Tarpon
Springs.
If
it
had
a
budget
capital
and
operating
budget
of
about
250
million
dollars
a
lot
of
challenges
in
in
Sarasota,
it
was
my
first
exposure
to
a
Coastal
Community
I
went
on
to
serve
in
other
Coastal
communities
in
Florida,
very,
very
rewarding.
H
But
after
about
three
years
there,
the
city
manager
asked
me
to
step
up
and
take
the
position
of
assistant
city
manager
in
Sarasota,
so
being
a
team
player.
I
absolutely
did
that
and
did
that
for
five
years
in
the
city
of
Sarasota,
a
lot
of
projects
in
Sarasota
actually
went
through
hurricane
Irma
in
Sarasota
some
of
the
disaster
recovery
after
the
hurricane,
but
spent
a
lot
of
time
projects
special
projects,
bringing
Economic
Development
to
the
city
in
the
fact
that
the
city
has
53-acre
bay,
front
property.
H
That
worked
with
a
private
group
to
bring
to
bring
forward
a
partnership
agreement
to
develop
and
and
manage
those
53
Acres.
Those
53
Acres
were
funded
with
a
with
a
tiff
District,
a
tax
increment
financing
District
that
we
set
up
for
30
years
and
working
with
Sarasota
County,
where
the
city
and
the
county
would
both
contribute
to
the
the
Tiff
funding.
H
The
projections
originally
over
the
30
years
would
be
about
a
200
million
dollar
inflow
into
the
Tiff
to
build
the
project
and
on
that
project
was
going
to
be
anchored
by
a
2200
seat,
Performing
Arts
Center,
so
the
fifth
funding
came
out
a
lot
better.
H
Now,
projections
are
in
the
250
to
300
million
dollar
range,
because
that
district
is
now
creating
Revenue
because
of
the
economic
development
in
that
community
I
left
there
I
went
to
Delray
Beach
for
a
short
period
of
time
over
on
the
West
Side
went
into
a
community
that
that
was
also
a
Coastal
Community
kind
of
the
same
environmental
Beach,
nourishment
type
of
opportunities.
There
spent
some
time
there,
but
then
ended
up
in
the
city
of
Fort,
Myers
and
I'm.
H
Presently,
the
assistant
city
manager
in
the
city
of
Fort,
Myers
Fort
Myers,
is
about
45
square
miles,
population
about
95
000,
with
an
operating
budget
of
300
million,
141
million
of
that
is
in
their
general
fund
and
142
million
dollar
Capital
Improvement
budget,
as
assistant
city
manager,
in
Fort
Myers.
My
responsibilities
include
the
public
works
department,
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
the
I.T
department
and
the
Community
Development
Department,
which
includes
planning
building
code
and
those
types
of
things.
H
Everything
in
Fort
Myers
is
going
great
until
about
nine
months
ago,
and
we
had
this
little
fellow
come
through
Fort
Myers,
called
Ian,
and
so
hurricane
Ian
hit
Fort
Myers
about
nine
months
ago,
did
about
7.6
billion
dollars
worth
of
property
damage
in
Fort
Myers,
and
so
it
was
devastating
to
the
community,
but
Fort
Myers
was
prepared.
H
We
were
prepared
for
the
hurricane,
we
did
a
lot
of
pre-planning
and,
and
so
the
impact
was
in,
the
cleanup
was
not
as
intense
as
some
other
areas
in
the
fort
in
the
Lee
County
area.
H
In
the
aftermath
of
hurricane
Ian,
the
Lee
County
will
be
receiving
about
1.1
billion
dollars
in
Community,
Development
Community,
Development
block
grant
the
disaster
recovery
funds
and
the
city
of
Fort
Myers
will
receive
a
good
portion
of
those
fundings
to
build
back,
better,
build
back
resilience
and
that
type
of
stuff.
So
again,
just
to
kind
of
recap.
All
my
experience
that
I
have
here
is
has
been
in
Florida
with
three
other
communities:
the
Coastal
Community
very
much
like
Tarpon
Springs.
H
So
many
of
the
the
challenges
the
Tarpon
Springs
sees
here
as
far
as
flooding
and
Beach
for
nourishment
vulnerability
to
hurricanes
are
things
that
I've
had
experience
with
and
can
bring
to
the
table
with
that
little
story
that
that
I
shared
with
the
Commissioners
one
of
the
things
that
a
mentor
told
me
at
one
point
in
time
is
that
to
be
successful
and
get
that
next
position.
Three
things
really
need
to
happen.
H
You
need
to
get
you
need
to
have
education,
you
need
to
get
the
experience
and
you
need
the
opportunity
and
I
believe
if
you
can
look
at
my
resume.
My
background.
I've
got
the
education
MBA
in
a
degree
in
the
county,
I've
got
the
experience,
I've
taken
higher
level,
jobs
and
everywhere
I've
been,
and
this
is
the
opportunity.
So
it's
up
to
the
commission
for
that
and
if
there's
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
A
What
we're
going
to
do
is
not
give
the
opportunity
for
questions
at
this
point
and
if
we
can
listen
to
Mr
metcal
now
and
if
we
could
do
that.
Okay,
thank
you,
but
by
the
way,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
after
the
two
presentations
we're
going
to
go
into
a
recess
and
then
the
candidates
will
be
at
each
each
at
each
end
of
the
lobby
out
there
and
anyone
here
that
wishes
to
ask
questions
they
may
and
then
we
obviously
won't
have
remote
access
comments.
A
But
but
then,
after
that,
we
reconvene
the
meeting
we'll
be
able
to
do
public
comments
again,
for
as
we
do
normally
and
then
also
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
remote
access
comments
as
well.
So
please.
I
Well,
good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
Mr
city
manager,
staff
and
everybody
who's
here
and
everybody
who's
listening
remotely.
My
name
is
Rick
rudimetkin
and
I'm.
The
second
candidate,
if
you
will,
for
your
new
city
manager,
I'll,
go
through
some
brief
history
of
mine,
a
little
bit
of
personal
stuff
and
then
just
a
couple
examples.
I
My
career
I've
been
in
public
service
now,
28
years
this
year
will
be
the
29th
year.
I
started
in
1994
with
an
engineering
company.
I
came
to
a
Crossroads
in
my
life,
whether
I
wanted
to
go
into
commercial
retail
marketing
or
whether
I
wanted
to
continue
with
my
experience,
which
was
construction
background
with
my
father
and
I
chose
to
go
into
that
which
I
have
no
regrets
doing
and
I
started
as
an
inspector
for
an
engineering
company
was
with
that
engineering
company
for
nine
years
and
I
went
from
inspector
to
construction
manager.
I
We
built
everything
for
cities
and
counties
because
we
were
contracted
to
do
that.
So
we
would
take
a
concept
project
and
go
through
all
the
issues
and
all
the
problems
and
everything
all
the
way
to
notice
to
occupy
and
I
did
that
in
my
last
three
or
four
years
there
with
the
engineering
company
very
rewarding,
because
you
can
see
what
the
concept
is
and
then,
when
you
get
done
to
final
product
and
moving
in
you
can
see
what
it
turned
into.
I
So
it
was
a
very
good
experience
and
I
learned
how
to
deal
with
municipalities
and
with
counties
on
that
particular
level.
During
that
time,
I
saw
some
things
that
maybe
I
could
improve
on
or
I
wanted
to
improve,
on
being
very,
very
inexperienced
in
the
public
sector
situation
like
we
want
to
pour
stamped
concrete,
colored
concrete
in
front
of
City
Hall.
I
Well,
somebody
doesn't
like
the
color
doesn't
like
the
texture,
so
we
would
rip
it
out
and
we
would
put
something
else
back
and
then
somebody
else
would
say
we
don't
like
that
particular
color
or
stamp,
and
so
we
rip
it
out
and
do
it
again
I
understand
now
why
they
did
that
back
then
I
was
like
man.
Maybe
we
could
do
a
little
bit
more
research
and
a
little
more
communication,
and
maybe
you
wouldn't
have
to
waste
the
taxpayer
money
like
that.
I
I
My
first
inundation
into
public
service
I
was
the
Public
Works
manager
there,
and
basically
my
department
was
all
things
to
all
people
we
handled
Disaster
Response,
we
handled
all
public
works,
we
handled
all
maintenance
and
basically
special
projects
for
the
city
manager
and
the
council.
So
I
really
got
to
understand
municipal
government.
If
you
will
there,
my
goal
was
to
be
Public
Works
director
only
I
did
not
have
an
engineering
degree,
I
had
a
management
degree
and
they
required
the
director
of
Public
Works
to
have
a
PE,
which
is
a
professional
engineering
stamp.
I
I
did
not
have
that.
So
if
I
was
going
to
promote
and
reach
my
goal,
I
would
have
to
leave.
So
that's
what
I
chose
to
do,
and
so
I
took
a
job
in
a
very
remote
part
of
the
right
corner
of
California,
bordering
Nevada
and
Oregon
in
Modoc
County,
which
is
about
4
200
square
miles
and
about
9
500
people.
I
So
quite
remote
about
160
miles,
north
of
Reno
I
went
there
as
Public
Works
director
and
after
the
first
year,
the
county
manager,
retired
and
I
applied
and
I
was
fifth
to
get
the
position
of
County
measure.
I
had
no
experience,
so
we
hired
a
person,
they
lasted
11
months
and
the
the
Commissioners
or
supervisors,
as
they
call
them
in
California,
decided
that
they
would
let
this
person
go,
and
my
first
job
is
interim
County
manager,
which
they
made
me
was
to
give
my
friend
his
last
check.
I
Through
my
time
in
Modoc
County,
we
had
some
misappropriation
of
funds
that
occurred
very
well
known,
no
embezzlement,
but
the
funds
we're
taking
out
of
restricted
funds
and
given
to
the
hospital
to
keep
the
hospital
opening
open
and
working
for
our
residents,
obviously
being
very
remote.
You
have
to
have
medical
services
and
the
closest
medical
services
were
a
couple
hours
away.
I
If
you
didn't
want
to
use
our
own
Hospital,
our
Hospital
needed
work,
and
so
we
worked
with
the
hospital
to
basically
try
to
recuperate
some
funds
trying
to
look
at
what
rates
they
charge,
but
obviously
they
couldn't
pay
it
back.
So
basically,
the
governor's
office,
along
with
the
state
controller,
told
us
to
replace
the
treasury.
I
just
told
them
yes,
I
will
get
out.
My
wallet
and
I
will
give
you
your
13
million
dollars
back,
it's
very
difficult
to
pay
something
back
when
you've
used
it
for
so
many
years
to
fund
something
else.
I
They
basically
told
me
Rick.
You
need
to
do
that.
So
my
first
job,
my
first
crisis,
was
to
replace
the
treasury,
so
we
got
together,
I
got
hired
hand,
corporate
attorney,
underwriter
and
some
loan
experts
to
put
together
a
package
for
the
commission
to
basically
replace
our
treasury
with
a
internal,
basically
Revenue
Bond.
So
we
could
basically
have
our
treasury
back,
so
we
can
actually
do
some
work,
and
that
was
an
example
of
something
a
crisis
or
something
that
I
had
to
experience
very
fresh
in
the
job
we
presented.
I
We
did
everything
we
could
and
the
commission
decided
no
we're
going
to
pay
ourselves
back
at
basically
the
opposite
of
what
the
state
told
them
to
do.
I
can
only
do
so
much
right.
I
can
only
present
the
information
they
have
to
make
the
decision,
so
they
made
decision
to
pay
themselves
back
and
I
left
and
they
ended
up
from
what
I
hear
paying
themselves
back,
but
didn't
have
the
money
to
do
whatever
they
needed
to
do.
It
was
quite,
it
was
quite
an
experience
for
all
of
us.
I
So
from
there
I
took
a
job
in
Colorado,
Springs,
Colorado
and
I
was
the
basically
the
streets,
manager
and
Colorado.
Springs
is
Big,
it's
200
square
miles.
You
know
a
couple.
Two
three
thousand
employees
out
of
360
million
dollar
budget
I
started
in
a
new
form
of
Mayor
government
started.
There
were
Council
manager,
they
went
to
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government
So
within
that
first
year
the
33
of
us
all
left.
I
It
was
more
like
in
the
40s,
because
that
form
of
government.
The
mayor
wanted
to
Outsource
a
lot
of
these
city
services
to
independent
contractors,
without
realizing
the
cost
associated
with
that,
when
you
don't
have
the
experience,
the
equipment
or
the
I
guess
these
subject
matter
expertise
to
do
the
work
so
from
there
I
was
very
fortunate
to
go
to
Eddy
County
New
Mexico
as
director
of
Public
Works
little
did
I
know
that
the
manager
there
brought
me
down
was
going
to
replace
himself
with
me.
I
went
there's
director
of
Public
Works.
I
Six
months
later,
I
got
promoted
to
the
county
manager
of
Eddie
County
Eddie
County
was
a
blessing
because
I
really
got
to
experience
more
than
I
would
ever
imagine.
I
was
involved
with
the
federal
legislative,
our
federal
legislators.
Quite
a
bit.
I
was
involved
with
our
state
legislators.
I
was
the
chairman
Vice,
chairman
of
our
insurance
Authority,
for
the
whole
state.
I
got
a
really
good
chance
to
get
into
things
that
I,
probably
wouldn't
have
gotten
into,
had
I
stayed
or
gone
to
someplace
different.
I
We
were
a
very
big
oil
and
gas
community,
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
oil
and
gas
can
be
very
good
or
not.
So,
in
my
tenure
when
the
barrel
of
oil
was
a
hundred
dollars
a
barrel,
we
had
money
to
do
things
in
roads
and
everything
else
budget
when
I
left
was
135
million
and
400
employees.
Basically,
when
the
barrel
of
oil,
if
you
remember,
went
to
20
something
dollars
a
barrel,
what
are
we
going
to
do?
I
I
had
to
cut
17
million
dollars
out
of
the
budget
for
one
year,
so
myself
and
the
finance
director
we
went
through
the
budget.
We
were
able
to
cut
the
budget,
but
not
lay
off
any
employees
and
not
have
to
do
any
salary
reductions.
That
was
a
big
win
for
us
and
then
the
barrel
of
oil
started
creeping
back
and
right.
Now,
Eddie
county
is
booming.
I
They
got
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
reserves
because
oil
and
gas,
and
so
it
was
a
very
good
experience
when
I
look
at
Tarpon,
Springs
I,
look
at
and
kind
of
reading
the
brochure
and
kind
of
looking
and
talking
you
know.
One
of
the
main
things
for
here
is
basically
the
the
the
ocean
elevation
change,
the
rising
of
the
waters.
I
If
you
will
and
water
intrusion
into
the
city
right
we're
only
three
or
four
feet
above
sea
level,
it's
very
hard
for
a
community
or
a
an
agency
to
pay
for
that
type
of
thing.
B
I
I
I
was
very
fortunate
in
being
in
Eddie
County
that
I
worked
with
our
legislators
in
Washington
DC
for
things
that
we
needed
down
there,
roads
freeways
overpasses
in
a
very
rural
community.
We
needed
overpasses
because
we
had
truck
traffic
backed
up
three
to
five
miles,
sometimes
on
these
small
little
farm
roads
and
we're
a
booming
economy.
If
you
will
right,
120,
000
people
a
day
with
the
transient
population
working
in
oil
and
gas.
I
So
with
that
being
said,
through
my
six
years,
we
went
to
Washington
DC
15
16
17
times,
sometimes
three
times
a
year
to
Lobby
I
was
the
County's
lobbyist.
We
also
had
an
eyesight
lobbyist,
so
we
would
go
and
meet
with
all
our
federal
legislators.
We'd
meet
with
attorneys
of
all
the
oil
and
gas
we
meet
with
Executives.
So
that
really
gave
me
a
flavor
of
how
to
deal
with
people
in
Washington
and
other
agencies
and
the
state
we'd.
I
Be
in
Santa
Fe
all
the
time
lobbying
as
well
with
the
governor
and
her
staff,
so
because
of
that
I
think
I
can
bring
that
here
when
and
I
won't
say
if,
but
when
that
time
comes,
when
we
have
to
really
look
at
the
sea
levels
rising.
And
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
fix
that
all
our
25
26
miles
of
Coastline
I
think
that
experience
will
help
us
I
can
go.
I
know
how
to
talk
to
people
I've
done
it.
Many
many
years
I
got
married
and
I.
I
Have
a
young
daughter,
I
got
married
very
young
and
Alive
a
very
young
in
life,
yeah
good
one
Rick
very
old
in
life.
I
have
an
11
year
old,
daughter,
so
she's
very
important
to
me,
and
so,
while
we
were
in
Eddie
County,
we
kind
of
wanted
to
change.
I
didn't
have
to
leave.
We
wanted
to
change
and
there
was
an
opportunity
to
go
to
the
Pacific
Northwest
into
the
state
of
Washington
to
go
to
work
for
a
city
in
in
there
and
I
went
to
work
for
a
city
in
Sammamish.
I
They
had
some
issues.
They
had
a
big
turnover.
I
felt
I
could
go
and
make
a
difference.
I
was
wrong,
I'm,
not
afraid
to
say:
I
was
wrong,
I
went
there
and
I
was
there
six
months,
I
have
an
agreement
with
them.
Basically,
it's
called
a
hush
agreement
right
so
that
you
don't
say
anything
that
I
won't
say
anything
and
we're
going
to
pay
you
to
go
away.
Basically
so,
which
is
fine.
It's
normal.
It's
called
a
severance
package
for
your
executive.
We
did
some
good
things
there.
I
We
were
able
to
do
some
water
quality
things
with
the
lake.
You
know
a
couple
of
things
and
I
and
I
left
I
was
I
was
a
little
bit
devastated
because
of
that
about
a
month
later,
I
get
a
call
from
a
neighboring
City
and
the
city
managers
leaving-
and
he
goes
hey
I
heard
what
happened
to
you.
Why
don't
you
come
work
for
us?
I
I
said
no
I
want
to
go
on
a
little
vacation
and
hang
out
with
my
wife
and
daughter
I'm
joking,
but
it
was
true.
He
said
no
I
think
you
should
come
talk
to
us,
so
I
went
and
talked
to
him
and
him
and
myself
and
the
mayor
sat
down.
We
talked
and
strong
mere
form
of
government
and
the
mayor
hired
me
because
I
was
doing
my
job
in
Sammamish
and
because
of
that,
he
liked
the
fact
I
did
my
job
with
integrity
and
he
wanted
to
take
me
there,
because
Bob
was
leaving.
I
I
went
to
work
for
Snoqualmie,
so
very
good
experience
in
Snoqualmie.
We
were
rocking
and
rolling.
We
were
having
this
300
Acre
Site.
We
were
going
to
redevelop
and
it
was
just
going
to
be
wonderful
and
working
with
the
mayor
and
our
legislators
to
fix
a
main
arterial
running
through
our
our
city
that
major
truck
traffic
went
on
for
regional
Regional
purposes.
I
So
basically,
I
got
a
lot
of
good
experience.
Working
with
the
legislature.
There
I
met
the
governor
there.
We
have
some
talk
on
environmental
issues
and
some
of
the
other
things
yeah.
It
was
a
good
talk
anyways,
so
we
so
we
were
able
to
do
some
of
that.
Well,
during
that
time,
covet
hits
so
the
world
changes
we
shut,
City
Hall
down
for
a
whole
year.
We
worked
remotely
during
that
time.
My
wife
and
daughter
are
with
me,
and
my
daughter
was
getting
kind
of.
I
My
daughter
always
says
oh
Dad,
just
just
think
about
it
before
you
say
no
right
so
sometimes
so
about
a
month
later,
my
father-in-law
sends
me
this
position
for
Deputy
city
manager,
and
we
talked
about
it,
prayed
about
it
and
I
said:
let's:
let's
do
it
so
I
applied
and
got
the
job.
Unfortunately,
I
was
laid
off
from
that
position.
My
official
letter
says
that
I
was
laid
off
due
to
budget
reasons,
which
is
true.
Prices
went
up
for
us
25
to
30
percent
on
all
our
capital
projects.
I
We
had
a
city
hall,
Public
Works,
building,
Martin
Luther
King
Community
Center
in
a
in
a
what
do
you
call
it
animal
control
facility
all
going
at
the
same
time,
so
prices
that
we
budgeted
for
are
now
this
high.
So
I
can
understand
that
it
was
a
good
experience
for
me.
I
I
will
tell
you
that
I'm,
okay,
not
being
there
so
anyways
that
is
kind
of
where
I'm
at
now
so
I've
had
a
chance
to
really
enjoy
my
time
off,
but
I'm
ready
to
get
back
to
work,
and
we
are
very
particular
on
where
we
have
been
applying
because
we
can
be
I
have
that
opportunity
in
time.
So
Tarpon
Springs
was
very
high
on
our
list.
Florida
is
very
high
on
our
list.
I
Tarpon
Springs
has
the
culture,
the
history,
the
the
combination,
the
diversity
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
community
and
I
need
a
place
for
my
daughter
to
grow
up.
Now
some
people
will
say:
well,
Rick.
You
know
you
moved
around
a
lot.
Oh
yeah,
that's
part
of
the
job.
Sometimes
things
happen.
Sometimes
you
go
to
an
agency.
You
do
one
thing
and
then
you
move
on
right.
I
You
were
hired
to
do
it
and
then
you
go
that's
okay,
but
for
me
having
a
place
where
my
daughter
can
grow
up
and
go
through
her
teens
and
into
into
high
school
and
college
is
very
important
for
me.
I
never
wanted
to
move
on
from
those
places,
but
that's
what
we
did
so
with
that
being
said.
I.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
thank
you
for
having
me.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Rudolph,
it's
5
31.
What
we're
going
to
do
now
is
adjourn,
I'm,
sorry
recess
and
then
reconvene
at
6
30.
If
each
of
you
can
go
into
the
lobby
at
each
end
and
then
I'm
going
to
invite
anybody
here
to
go
I
know
some
of
you
are
probably
at
the
meet
and
greet
earlier
today,
go
back
with
follow-up
questions
and,
and
anybody
else
that
wasn't
there.
Certainly
this
is
your
opportunity.
Go
ask
whatever
you
want,
so
thank
you
very
much
and
I
want
to
Resource
it
we're
going
to
reconvene
at
six.
A
We
reconvene
at
6
PM.
The
next
phase
is
going
to
be
public
comments
on
the
two
candidates
and
I
spoke
to
Mr
slavin
earlier
just
before
the
meeting,
and
if
you'd
like
to
make
comments
and
observations,
I
would
be
fine.
Questions
would
be
okay
too,
but
if
the
questions
get
too
I'm
not
sure
how
to
describe
it
a
little
too
personal,
then
we're
going
to
wind
up
having
to
separate
the
two
candidates
and
let
one
take
questions
and
then
the
switch
and
that
forward.
A
A
J
J
George
Anna
Francis,
15,
Athens,
Street,
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida
34689,
so
I'm
really
glad
that
I
came
today
because
I,
just
by
reading
everything
that
was
provided
two
days
ago,
I
really
wasn't
too
impressed
on
paper
with
either
candidate.
So
I'm
glad
that
I
came
today
to
listen
and
keep
an
open
mind.
J
You
know
part
of
the
slab
and
management
I
guess,
process
I
think
is
a
little
bit
flawed.
The
interview
process
on
paper
starts
out
with
why
the
candidates
feel
that
Tarpon
is
a
good
fit
for
them
and
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
really
how
we
should
be
processing
this
and
not
that
it
shouldn't
be
a
consideration
for
them,
but
in
terms
of
what
we
should
be
looking
for
is
what
can
you
do
for
us?
Obviously,
Tarpon
is
a
great
place
to
live.
Everybody
wants
to
live
here,
so
I.
J
Don't
think
that
considerations
as
far
as
the
fact
that
the
house
is
already
being
built
or
an
Adu
should
be
any
consideration
as
far
as
who
we
choose,
because
someone's
already
coming
to
live
here.
I
just
believe
right
now,
as
far
as
a
city
manager,
we
you
know
Mr.
Commissioner,
coolian
has
made
a
great
point
at
the
last
meeting
of
you
know
what
we
should
be
looking
for
in
this
candidate
because
of
what
Mark
has
done
here
and
to
survive
in
Tarpon.
You
need
to
work
with
a
lot
of
strong
personalities.
J
And
and
to
kind
of
command
respect
because
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
pushback
and
you
know
you're
going
to
be
dealing
with
a
lot
of
people,
and
that
has
not
a
lot
to
do
with
what
you
see
on
paper
as
far
as
either
projects
or
grant
money
or
economics.
So
a
lot
of
that
was
only
seen
on
paper
and
unless
you
actually
see
somebody
come
up
here
and
speak
and
how
they're
going
to
interact
with
the
public
and
with
the
counties
or
with
other
governmental
agencies
and
I.
J
Think
today
you
know
the
person
that
showed
that
in
the
best
way
was
Mr,
Mr
wrote
a
rectum
and
I'm
I'm.
So
sorry,
I'm
butchering
your
name,
I,
should
have
looked
at
it
before
I
said
it
again.
Well,
I'm
just
going
to
call
him
Rick
project
management,
I
think,
is
what
we
really
need
right
now
we
have
40
Projects,
they
don't
have
funding
and
I
think
that
Rick
showed
a
great.
You
know
great
experience
with
that.
J
As
far
as
projects
start
to
finish,
it
sounds
like
he's
bringing
some
private
sector
experience
to
the
public
sector,
which
I
think
is
what
we
need
in
discussions
with
Mr
liege.
You
know
his
Focus
was
just
all
public
sector
he's
a
lot
of
experience
in
finance.
J
I
think
we
have
a
very
competent
Finance
director
already
we
have
commissioner
coulianis
who's
a
licensed
CPA
already
and
he's
already
brought
a
lot
of
I
think
help
and
perspective
on
our
budget
because
of
his
private
sector.
Experience
and
I
think
that
we
need
more
private
sector
experience
to
help
with
the
problems
that
we
have,
because
they
are
piling
and
piling
on,
and
we
need
some
new
perspective.
You
know
from
someone
fresh
and
I
think
if
we're
going
to
go
outside,
which
is
what
this
is
an
outside
search,
we
should
go
outside.
J
J
Now
you
know
grandkids
and
having
adus
coming
and
going
from
Tarpon
is
great
and
having
knowledge,
but
if
we
need
fresh
New
Perspective,
we
should
get
actual
fresh
New
Perspective,
and
that's
why
my
family
came
back
to
Tarpon
was
to
raise
a
family
here,
and
you
know
we're
getting
further
and
further
away
from
allowing
families
to
live
here,
because
it's
becoming
unaffordable,
so
I
don't
think
any
decision
should
be
made
today.
A
lot
of
it's
Saturday.
A
lot
of
people
are
out
of
town
and
we'll
watch
this
meeting
later.
J
C
C
At
the
last
commission
meeting
I
met
a
person
who
said
he
was
wanting
to
be
a
candidate,
or
he
said
he
was
a
candidate,
but
when
I
went
to
the
workshop
it
said
the
position
be
open
till
filled,
the
position
hasn't
been
filled,
but
from
what
I
understand
his
application
wasn't
accepted.
So,
as
Ms
Francis
mentioned
about
the
process,
that
may
be
a
flaw.
C
H
E
C
We
are
a
Coastal
Community,
surrounded
by
Rivers
bayous
wetlands
in
the
Gulf
of
Mexico
Florida
is
a
totally
different
environment
than
California
or
Washington
or
Texas
FEMA.
We
know
in
the
past
what
we've
had
to
deal
with
FEMA
and
having
things
prepared
dealt
with
that.
If
you
read
his
resume
in
her
local
agreements,
he
set
up
some
of
the
first
grant
writers
for
the
cities.
He
worked
at
things
that
we've
asked
for
ourselves.
C
And
nothing
they're,
both
qualified
and
I,
understand,
Mr
rudeman
can
has
run
into
some
difficult
situations,
but
I
think
as
as
produce
mentioned,
that
a
while
back
about
family
and
family
being
part
of
the
decision
making
and
as
Ms
franzis
mentioned
that
Mr
rodimenken
wants
to
raise
his
children
here
and
that's
an
opportunity
anybody
come
in
here
would
want,
but
I
also
feel
that
Mr
Legg
from
his
progression
of
experiences
and
knowledge
is
the
best
fit
for
the
city,
but
I
also
get
the
impression
from
him
and
his
resume
that
this
is
going
to
be
his
last
stop.
C
I
believe
Mr
redmenkin
does
have
the
experience
to
move
on,
but
I
don't
think
he
has
the
necessary
Florida
experience
working
and
if
you
look
at
the
credentials,
Mr
leg
has
experience
with
the
Florida
League
of
cities
very
important
for
us.
He
knows
how
to
deal
with
the
counties
in
our
local
agreements.
Very
important
and
I
do
have
to
say
that
maybe
you
can
mention
it
later
in
staff
comments,
I
read
your
post
about
us
getting
a
seat
on
the
Ford
Pinellas.
A
C
C
L
L
I
think
you
need
to
do
some
more
research
on
city
managers,
I
think
there's
plenty
out
there,
but
our
reputation
is
not
the
best
out
there
right
now
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
doing
like
I,
said
some
more
searching,
and
we
really
need
to
put
down
what
we
really
need
in
the
city.
You
need
to
talk
to
your
employees.
L
A
Right,
thank
you,
Mr
Jones
is
is
Yonkers.
We
don't
have.
We
don't
have
any
emails
that
came
in
on
this.
Did
we
okay?
None
that
I'm,
aware
of
all
right,
all
right,
I'm,
going
to
close
public
comments,
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
commission.
The?
Let
me
just
say
a
few
comments
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
on
on
our
discussion.
A
The
Mr
slavin
would
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
that
any
of
you
might
have
as
well
and
primarily
the
the
next.
You
know
our
discussion
should
be
primarily
comments.
If
you
have
any
last
minute
questions
of
any
of
the
candidates.
I
think
that
would
be
okay
if
it's
simple,
but
it
gets
back
to
my
observation
earlier
that
we,
you
know
we'd
have
to
separate
if
it
gets
a
little
too
complex.
A
A
We've
had
a
meet
and
greet
earlier
today
where
people
went
in
and
interviewed
people.
People
interviewed
or
spoke
to
the
candidates
this
evening
and
I
would
suspect
that
some
of
those
would
like
to
share
their
observations
with
you
as
well,
and
my
only
my
only
concern
about
making
any
kind
of
a
decision
tonight,
for
example,
would
be
the
fact
that
you
know
what
would
have
been
the
purpose
of
their
being
at
that
meet
and
greet
if
we
don't
get
any
feedback
from
them.
A
M
This
is
this
is
not
a
terrifically
easy
decision
to
make
I.
Personally,
don't
think.
We've
heard
enough
from
our
constituents
I'd
like
to
wait
a
little
bit
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
feedback,
I'm,
not
a
person,
that's
going
to
rush
into
a
a
decision
based
on
a
single
interview
for
an
hour
and
and
some
background
material.
M
So
anyway,
that's
my
position.
Now
it's
a
difficult
decision
we'll
get
through
it
I
think
we're
approaching
it.
The
right
way.
I
appreciate
everybody's
contributions
to
this,
and
that's
about
all
I
have
to
say
for
now.
A
Okay,
commissioner
Eisner
thank.
D
You
mayor
I,
feel
like
you
stole
my
lingo
there.
Thank
you
vice
mayor
I.
Do
want
to
thank
you,
Mr
slav,
Ms
Lipscomb.
You
guys
have
been
great.
You
gave
a
full-blown
explanation
of
both
candidates.
D
Every
question
Under,
the
Sun
I,
hope
you
don't
get
offended.
I
didn't
use
your
questioning.
I
used
my
own
questioning,
because
you
are
questioning,
did
answer
all
of
the
questions
that
were
you
know,
just
blatant
questions
and
you
know
I
got
the
answers.
I
feel
both
candidates
have
qualifications
some
a
little
bit
different,
but
both
have
really
good
qualifications
and
I.
D
Like
the
vice
mayor
and
the
mayor's
comment,
where
I'm
not
interested
in
jumping
into
something
I
know,
there
were
comments
made
about
us
just
in
the
past,
from
people
about
terminating
or
throwing
people
to
the
side.
None
of
that
is
going
to
happen.
This
is
going
to
ever.
This
transition
will
be
as
respectful
as
possible
and
it
should
be
done
at
a
at
a
nice
rate
of
replacement
and
possibly
having
somebody
as
a
consultant.
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
my
own
opinion
I'm
not
ready
to
make
a
decision
tonight.
D
I
enjoyed
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
both
for
your
comments.
It
was
a
very
good
conversation
that
we
had
I
appreciate
vice
mayor
Lunt,
extending
it
from
30
minutes
to
an
hour.
If
you
know
me,
I
needed
the
hour,
I
got
to
know
both
of
you.
I
know
who
you
are
I
think
either
of
you
would
be
a
great
candidate,
I
I
do
have
my
own
little
favoritism
from
you
know,
speaking
to
you
and
I.
Just
want
to
thank
the
residents
for
coming.
D
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
people
that
also
met
with
both
of
you,
so
that
they
could
give
us
feedback
and
what
they
saw.
I
appreciate
the
people
coming
up
to
give
their
opinions.
Everything
will
be
evaluated
by
all
of
us,
and
hopefully
we
will
pick
what's
best
for
the
tarpon
residents.
It's
not
for
what's
best
for
the
commission,
it's
what's
best
for
the
residents.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you,
okay,
commissioner.
N
So
with
that
said,
I
don't
think
I'd
be
able
to
make
a
permanent
decision
come
Tuesday
for
an
action
item
I'd
like
to
see
if
there's
any
other
candidates
available,
I
don't
want
to
rush
into
this
transition,
and
everyone
knows
I
was
the
most
vocal
in
one
in
a
switch.
N
We
all
know
that,
but
once
you
become
on
this
side
of
the
dice,
you
got
to
try
to
do
what's
important
for
the
residents
of
Tarpon
Springs,
so
I'm
telling
you
right
now,
I'm
going
a
little
bit
step
further,
as
opposed
to
just
saying
I
still
haven't
decided
yet
Tuesday
Tuesday's
not
going
to
be
enough
time
for
me
to
make
an
action
item
and
make
a
final
vote,
especially
for
a
transition.
So
I'd
like
to
see
what
our
options
are
and
understand.
N
We
can
have
a
discussion
see
you
know
where
you're
going
and
where,
where
you're
thinking,
but
as
being
one
of
the
biggest
critics
for
the
city,
marriage
at
the
time,
we
can
work
well
together
and
I
know.
I
can
work
with
anyone.
That's
selected
as
a
city
manager,
but
Tuesday
I'm
not
going
to
be
making
a
selection
on
that
and
I'd
like
to
see
what
our
options
are
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
rushed
into
making
that
decision
come
Tuesday.
N
K
First
I'd
like
to
thank
the
the
applicants
I
enjoyed
my
hour
with
both
of
you
very
much.
Both
are
very
personable
gentleman
and,
like
I,
say
I
enjoyed
it.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
Mr,
slavin
and,
and
your
group,
for
you
know
doing
the
work
you
did
the
you
know.
This
is
the
most
important
decision.
I
think
we'll
make
as
a
commission
in
the
in
our
term
is
who
is
going
to
be
the
operational
leader
of
our
town,
so
I.
You
know,
I
agree
that
we
need
to
move
yeah
I.
K
Would
it
would
have
been
totally
inappropriate
to
have
a
vote
tonight?
I
mean
that
would
have
been.
That
would
have
been
terrible,
so
I'm
glad
that
there's
that
we
are
being
thoughtful
as
a
group
and
taking
our
time
and
and
I'm
not
saying
that
either
one
of
these
gentlemen
wouldn't
be
a
fine
city
manager.
K
I
don't
know
I,
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
but
again
I
enjoyed
meeting
them
and
I
look
forward
to
conversation
next
few
days
with
residents,
you
know
and
all
deference
to
the
meet
and
greet
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
anyone
would
ascertain
in
a
you
know,
20
per
person
setting
with
you
know,
45
minutes
or
whatever
they
had
together.
You
know
you
say
I
like
the
way
the
guy
drank
his
coffee
or
or
whatever
I
I.
Don't.
K
Know
exactly
what
we
would
ascertain
from
that
again,
the
most
is
their
credentials.
Our
interviews,
you
know
I
think
maybe
from
the
meet
and
greet
you
do
have
a
sense
of
maybe
personalities
and
stuff
of
that
nature.
Again
how
much
you
can
ascertain
in
that
short
amount
of
time
with
that
size
of
a
group.
K
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
I've,
already
gotten
emails,
saying
oh
I,
like
this
guy
I,
like
that
guy
and
and
therefore,
but
we
can't
make
a
decision
based
on
on
you
know,
excuse
my
language
sacramentia,
like
that
we
have
to.
We
got
to
make
actual
hard
decisions
based
on
criteria.
This
is
a
person
who's
going
to
run
our
city
for
years
to
come.
So
it's
it's
not
again
whether
I
like
somebody
or
don't
like
somebody.
So
that's
that.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mayor,
Mr,
slavin
could
I
ask
you
a
question.
We
yes.
D
O
Well,
you're
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision,
but
whether
you're
doing
Tuesday
night
or
some
point
in
the
future,
it's
got
to
be
a
decision
that
you're
all
comfortable
with
the
two
candidates
who
met
me
met
today
meet
their
your
criteria
very
closely
yeah
and
whether
and
as
you
know,
the
job
is
open
till
filled.
However
I'm
going
to
from
based
on
my
experience,
the
quality
of
candidates
is
going
to
get
no
better.
You've
got
top
quality
candidates.
O
If
we
go
back
out
and
do
some
more
aggressive
recruiting,
we
might
get
more,
but
the
history
has
been
that
we
had
I
think
22
initially
apply.
Several
of
those
folks
did
look
good.
We
sent
them
the
questionnaire
that
you've
read
the
responses
of
these
two
to
several
of
those
folks
for
have
taken
other
jobs.
We
are
in
a
very
competitive
environment.
My
I
don't
know.
O
What's
protocol
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
and
I
can't
tell
you
that
there's
a
standard
way
commissions
and
councils
hire
managers,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
you
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
we're
in
a
very
competitive
environment,
the
qualities
of
of
candidates
is
not
going
to
get
better
because
it
can't,
because
you've
got
and
based
on
your
criteria.
These
folks
meet
the
criteria
extremely
well.
The
you.
L
B
O
Your
community
to
participate
in
this
and
you've,
provided
them
an
opportunity
to
feed
back
to
you
and
they're
and
they're
going
to
do
it,
but
several
of
the
people
that
we
talked
to
at
that
meeting
at
the
Museum
this
afternoon
have
expressed
an
interest
in
doing
that.
They
will
be
doing
that.
O
I
suggest
that
you
keep
your
options
open
talk
about
it
on
Tuesday
night
I
would
like
to
opportunity
to
talk
to
both
of
the
candidates
to
make
sure
they're
still
interested
before
you
make
a
decision,
and
and
also
you
need
and
if
you've
got
thoughts
about
what
we
should
be
doing
that
we
haven't
done.
O
But
the
point
is
that
I
need
to
emphasize
again:
the
quality
is
not
going
to
be
any
higher.
You've
got
the
highest
quality
of
candidates
you're
going
to
get,
and-
and
there
is
some
discussion
about
how
to
transition
I
think
you
need
to
discuss
that
relative
to
a
possibility
of
of
a
consultant
in
an
interim
period
of
time.
That
may
be
a
possibility,
but
you've
got
there's
a
strong
interest
in
the
part
of
this
commission
to
make
this
very
smooth,
comfortable
transition
and
I.
O
D
So
let
me
just
fine
tune.
My
question,
of
course,
I
appreciate
your
answer.
You
do
this
all
the
time.
I,
don't
know
what
my
other
fellow
Commissioners
do:
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
times
they've
interviewed
or
has
commissioner
Giuliana
said
this
is
a
big
decision,
but
these
are
decisions
that
you
make
or
not
you
make
that
you're
present
for
on
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
So
to
fine-tune
my
question,
do
you
find
that
people
do
make
I'm
not
saying
to
do
this
I'm?
D
Just
asking
your
opinion:
do
you
find
that
people
can
make
a
decision
on
a
first
interview
like
this?
Do
you
feel
that
it's
you
have
some
that
do
that?
Do
you
have
people
that
make
a
decision
on
a
following
Tuesday.
Do
they
I
I
know
there's
all
of
the
answers,
but
what
do
you
predominantly
in
your
opinion,
because
you
do
this
as
as
a
firm
what
you
find
you
you
follow,
or
you
see
happen
in.
O
Florida,
where
everything
is
public,
the
process
is
very
often
the
process
you
use
today,
and
that
is
individual
one-on-one
meetings
with
the
candidates
and
then
a
public
meeting
to
discuss
it,
and
quite
often
the
decision
is
made
at
that
point
point
is
that
you
folks
have
to
be
comfortable
with
that.
This
is
a
very
critical
decision
for
for
this
commission
and
for
this
community.
No
question
about
that.
O
So
the
answer
to
your
question
is
the
process
you
use
today
is
very
similar
to
what
typically
takes
place
in
Florida
one
component
to
it.
That's
a
little
bit
different
is
what
you've
it's.
O
It's
not
unusual
for
the
individual,
round-robin
type
interviews
to
take
place
and
then
for
a
public
interview
of
the
candidates
to
take
place
with
the
commission
on
the
diocese
and
the
candidates
being
questioned,
live
on
televised
that
part
of
it
you
may
want
to,
and
it
would
be
in
a
second
interview,
but
that
part
of
it
is
a
little
different,
but
I
don't
know
that
you
lost
any
information
or
any.
E
O
What
that
would
actually
add
to
the
process
that
you've
already
gone
through,
but
that
that
is
a
little.
This
is
a
little
different
than
what
I've
seen
before,
but
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
that
you
do
that.
I'm
just
suggesting
that
I'm
just
telling
you
that
it
happens
and
yeah
and
then
there's
always
a
risk
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision
that
you
can
with
any
guarantees
or
any
certainty.
O
There's
always
a
a
concern
about
what
might
happen
that
we
haven't
figured
out
or
that
that
could
happen
in
the
nose
and
we're
in
the
real
world.
But
we
based
our
search
on
what
criteria
that
you
folks
set.
These
candidates
were
provided
that
criteria
they've
applied
for
this
job,
knowing
that
what
you're,
looking
for
and
they're
prepared
to
do,
the
work
that
that
you
outlined
on
that
criteria
and
I
think
you've
got
what
you
need
in
order
to
make
a
a
very
good
decision
on
the
for
this
community
along
without
answering
your
questions,
you're.
D
N
Yes,
you
know
we're
going
to
make
a
couple
comments
and
questions
as
a
in
the
temporary
industry.
I've
interviewed
a
lot
of
people,
not
city
managers,
but
a
lot
of
different
professions,
and
one
thing
that's
been
discussed.
Is
this
consultation
position
and
I
want
this
board
to
be
upfront
as
honest
as
what
we
all
individually
think
about
city
manager,
consulting
position,
that's
I've
heard
about
and
let
these
potential
candidates
know.
N
What's
you
know
what
you
guys
are
thinking
and
what
their
thought
processes
are
on
that
consultation
position,
because
I
don't
want
this
to
be
a
little.
You
know
one
one
thing
said
to
one
individual,
then
the
upcoming
the
new
candidate.
We
hire
that
person
and
then
you
know
we
form
another
position
without
them,
either
wanting
to
agree
with
it
or
not
to
agree
with
it.
So
I
want
to
get
it
all
off
the
table.
N
K
I
think
we
have
to
approach
this
with
all
the
cards
on
the
table
and
all
the
options
that
we
have
that
are
being
bantered
around
the
the
only
difference,
I
think
Mr
Sullivan
is
I.
I
would
suspect
that
in
most
the
cases
when
you're
looking
for
a
new
city
manager
candidate,
you
have
an
opening,
a
specific
opening
for
a
city
manager.
We
have
a
little
different
situation
here,
where
again
I
don't
want
to
get
it
back
into
this.
K
This
constant
debate,
but
we
have
a
city
manager
in
place
with
tread
on
his
tires,
and
we
have
that
second
option
which
is
not
to
take
any.
You
know
the
candidates
that
you
bring
forward
and
to
retain
the
city
manager
we
have
so
when
you
say
you
know
you
you,
you
did
make
a
comment.
You
should
decide
on
one
of
these
or
you.
You
should
pick
a
new
city
manager.
K
We
don't
we're
not
in
we're,
not
in
that
we're
in
a
different,
a
very
unique
position
again.
I
think
both
these
gentlemen
are
fine,
gentlemen,
probably
very
qualified,
but
again
we
we
are
sitting
with
a
city
manager,
so
we
have
the
eye.
We
have
the
luxury
and
I'm
going
to
use.
Commissioner
eisner's
criteria
I
think
that's
the
criteria
I'm
going
to
use
on
Tuesday
you
work
clear
and
concise.
K
Is
it
better
than
what
we
got
if
it's
not
an
upgrade?
Why
are
we
doing
this
when
this
gentleman
is
willing
to
stay
a
couple
more
years?
So
that's
the
criteria
I'm
going
to
be
using.
Are
these
gentlemen
an
upgrade
from
this
gentleman
to
make
that
decision
and
I
know
again
you're.
You
usually
don't
work,
probably
exactly
in
this.
This
kind
of
nebulous
thing
we've
got
here
in
Tarpon
Springs,
but
this
is
kind
of
the
the
way
that
the
cards
were
dealt
here.
K
K
And
that's
that's
where
I'm
going
to
be
and
I've
said
this
now
from
sitting
where
Mr
slavin
is
sitting
right
now,
I
said
it
when
I
was
up
at
the
podium.
I've
said
it
from
here
and
my
opinion
hasn't
changed.
So
I
bet
we
don't
again
I
apologize
for
this
is
a
this
is
more
of
a
Tuesday
conversation.
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
get
one
item
off
the
table.
I
did
have
a
conversation
about
that
consultation
with
Mr
rudimentkin
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
spoke
with
Mr
leggy
about
it.
So,
let's
get
that
answered
for
both
of
them
and
that'll
help
you
just
so
you'll
know
and
I've
had
conversations
with
Mr
Slavic
about
it
as
well,
because
this
is
a
transition,
and
so
the
idea
would
be
to
earmark
and
I've
had
numerous
conversations
with
the
city
manager.
Of
this,
too,
is
to
earmark
some
money
each
year
for.
E
A
Least
two
years
as
Consulting
fees
for
a
new
city
manager
or
someone
that
comes
in
after
Mr
lacouras
to
be
able
to
rely
on
Mr,
Mr
lucors,
for
whatever
his
knowledge
to
run
lead
for
him
in
some
ASP.
Some
part
of
the
community
help
with
something
and
and
then
also
there's
some
other
personal
needs
or
personal
needs.
That
Mr
lacouras
has
as
well
and
remember.
A
A
If
you
could
come
up
and
and
just
to
answer
whether
you'd
be
amenable
to
Consulting
with
the
former
city
manager,
when
you
need
them,
I'm,
pretty
sure
I
know
the
answer
to
that,
and
and
then
it's
completely
up
to
you,
whether
that
happens
and
then
there's
some
other
things
for
the
city
manager
that
we
would
have
to
deal
with
at
the
time
of
the
transition
as
well.
So
please
miss
wagon.
H
Yes,
I
think
there
is
some
value
in
some
Consulting
down
the
line
for
a
short
period
of
time.
Two
years.
I
think
is
a
long
time
to
be
honest
mayor,
but
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
at
some
point
in
time,
maybe
on
a
as
a
needed
basis.
Not
necessarily
you
know
a
constant
thing,
but
there
will
be
certain
things
as
a
manager
walking
in
I
need
to
establish
my
my
role
as
the
city
manager
here.
I
need
to
build
the
trust
with
the
with
this,
with
the
commission.
H
I
need
to
build
the
trust
with
the
community
and
I
need
to
build
the
trust
with
our
employees.
I'm.
A
very
fast
learner.
I
have
the
opportunity
to
come
in.
With
my
background,
I
can
come
in
and
assess
the
situation
in
a
pretty
good
manner,
but
I
will
say
there
will
be
certain
things
that
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
I
think
the
the
city
manager
could
assist
in
in
helping
advise
me,
but
I
would
I
would
be
I,
don't
have
a
time
frame,
but
it
wouldn't
be
for
a
real
long
period
of.
A
H
Would
probably
work
that
out
with
with
my
contract
and
as
we
go
forward
with
the
commission
and
moving
forward
and
have
a
good
understanding
what
I'm
going
to
come
into
being
being
selected?
What
I
would
be
walking
into
and
and
have
a
clear
understanding
of
that
and
not
being
vague.
A
I
miss
lucky
Mr
rutabank,
and
would
you
like
to
come
up
and
express
your
thoughts
on
that
for
the
record.
I
Thank
you,
mayor,
Commissioners,
yes,
I
would
be
open
to
that.
I've
actually
done
that
in
the
past,
there's
so
much
subject
matter
expertise
that
Mark
has
and
he's
been
here.
A
very
long
time
he's
been
the
city
manager
for
a
very
long
time
here.
I
So
whenever
you're
coming
into
a
new
community,
it's
good
to
have
the
expert.
If
you
will
on
the
knowledge
of
what's
going
on,
because
he
can
point
out
some
things
that
maybe
I
don't
know
right
up
front
but
having
knowledge
up
front
can
help
with
decision
making
in
the
near
future.
So,
yes,
absolutely
I'd
be
open
to
it
all.
A
A
Thank
you
anything
else.
You
want
to
follow
up
with
something.
N
Yeah
just
a
a
quick
question
for
both
both
applicants.
You
know
if
missile
of
course
was
placed
into
a
position
where
he's
head
of
the
cops
and
kids
direction,
or
you
know
somewhere
in
public
services,
do
both
candidates
would
feel
it
would
be
a
like.
The
like,
the
the
former
city
manager
would
still
be
in
the
mix
and
over
their
shoulder
if
they're
in
positions
that
were
far
away
removed
from
the
city
manager,
position,
I
think
that's
something
that
could
should
be
up
front
and
answered
in
the.
A
Public,
let
me
ask
Mr
slavin
a
question
on
that
and
Mr
leggy
brought
up
an
interesting
point
that
you
could
handle
these
sort
of
things
through
your
contract
through
your
employment
contract
with
and
and
my
suspicion
is
I
I.
Don't
think
we're
probably
going
to
get
an
answer,
but
would
it
be
better
to
select
somebody
first
and
negotiate
that
aspect
of
it
as
commissioner
coulia
just
described,
or
is
it
something
to
kind
of
get
on
the
table
before
we
start
negotiating
a
contract.
O
A
In
other
words,
make
a
selection
and
then
and
then
the
obviously,
the
employment
would
be
conditioned
on
a
successful
Employment
contract
negotiation.
Sure
I
mean,
for
example,
it
may
be.
You
know
the
new
person
may
be
unaffordable
sure,
and
this
would
be
part
of
it
as
well.
So,
okay,
thank
you.
Is
there
anything
else
that
anybody
wants
to
follow
up
with
anything.
Commissioner
coulianis.
K
K
Sorry,
there
was
a
conversation
nonetheless,
and
now
we're
asking
these
gentlemen
who
have
no
have
no
understanding,
even
though
you
know
somebody's
got
a
family
here,
somebody's
gone
Googled,
it
has
no
understanding
of
our
town,
no
understanding
of
all
the
projects
and
things
we
have
going
and
we're
saying
well,
do
you
think
you
could
work
with
this
person
or
do
you
think
you
could
do
this?
K
We
decide
if
we
want
to
have
a
Consulting
arrangement
with
Mr
lakoras,
we
establish
a
Consulting
Arrangement,
Mr
Licorice,
and
the
question
to
these
gentlemen
is:
do
you
still
want
the
job
given
he
has
a
two-year
Consulting
agreement.
That's
how
you
approach
it
not
have
asking
the
people
to
come
up
and
say:
how
would
you
like
to
work
with
the
guy,
oh
I,
and
he
this
gentleman
was
honest
and
said:
hey
I,
really,
don't
like
it
that
much!
K
B
K
This
meeting
should
get
adjourned.
We
need
to
go
back
to
Tuesday
and
have
a
conversation,
but
all
this
stuff,
like,
like
commissioner
coulia
said,
should
be
on
the
table.
This,
oh,
let's,
let's
bring
somebody
else
up
and
ask
them
their
their
opinion
on
whether
Mark
should
be
here
for
a
year
or
two
years
or
two
months.
This.
This
is
we're.
A
A
Think
the
point
is
that
the
two
candidates
are
here
tonight
and
so
it's
an
opportunity
to
ask
that
question
number
two.
You
said
it
exactly
what
the
issue
is.
The
commission
accepts
a
contract.
If
this
is
what
this
commission
determines
to
be
a
term
of
the
contract,
then
it's
in
the
contract
and
that
gets
negotiated
and
either
it's
accepted
or
it's
not
so
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
and
nothing
is
being
negotiated
tonight.
A
I
just
wanted
a
confirmation
from
commissioner
kulia
and
the
only
people
that
would
be
amicable
to
that,
or
else
we're
wasting
everybody's
time
is
to
find
out
whether
at
least
they
would
be
open
to
that.
The
answer
was
yes.
The
rest
of
it
is
a
negotiation.
If
this
commission
wants
to
deem
that
we're
only
going
to
want
you
here,
two
years,
I
want
you
gone
and
that's
in
the
contract.
A
So
he
can
share
with
you
his
thoughts
and
my
suspicion
is,
if
I
remember
right,
you
had
that
conversation
with
the
Commissioners
as
far
as
that
goes.
So
that's
all
I.
It's
not
an
issue
this
evening,
but
the
two
candidates
are
here
to
answer
the
question:
they're
not
going
to
be
here
publicly
to
answer
anything
like
that.
So
if
we
go
into
a
negotiate,
pick
select
one
and
negotiate
a
contract
and
that's
what
one
of
the
terms
that
the
commission
wants.
Then
it
wouldn't
be
any
surprise
to
them,
because
they'll
find
out
about
it.
A
That
way.
Vice
mayor
alone,.
M
I
think
we're
getting
ahead
of
ourselves
here,
gentlemen,
exactly
we
haven't
made
a
selection,
yet
the
person
whom
we
select
at
whatever
time
has
got
to
understand
that,
when
they're
selected
and
they're
brought
into
this
position
that
they're
in
a
position
of
control
that
it's
their
decision
to
manage
the
city
from
that
particular
Point
onward,
whether
Mr
licorice
decides
to
stay
on
in
a
transition
period
in
a
Consulting
capacity
or
not,
is
a
decision
that
needs
to
be
made
between
the
board,
the
new
city
manager
and
Mr
liquorice.
A
A
And,
quite
frankly,
we're
not
I,
don't
want
to
make
more
of
it
than
what
it
was.
That's
it
so
and,
and
everything
is
a
term
negotiating
the
contract,
so
I
I
think
we're
pretty
much
done
with
what
we
need
to
do.
As
far
as
the
discussion
goes
is
what
I'm
getting
at
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
kind
of
editorialize
as
far
as
directions
or
anything
like
that.
A
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments,
but
it
was
just
a
simple
question:
we
got
either
yes
or
no
out
of
it,
and
that
was
the
end
of
the
story
and
and
then
also
just
from
Pure
transparency,
as
I've
heard.
That
word
a
lot
these
days
to
make
sure
everybody
understood
that
Mr
licorice
had
been
consulted
about
this
as
well.
So
the
other
thing
too,
and
also
getting
back
to
both
commissioner
kulias
and
also
commissioner
Eisner
I,
would
like
for
each
up
until
this
point,
I've
been
the
liaison
with
Mr
slavin.
A
Because
of
just
getting
up
to
this
point
and
having
the
interviews
the
work
session,
the
whole
thing
from
here
folk
going
forward.
Mr
slavin:
do
you
have
an
objection
for
any
of
the
Commissioners
to
call
you
to
give
additional
information,
as
you
just
shared
this
evening,
as.
O
A
O
I
just
have
one
comment,
and
that
is
whatever
you
do.
It
needs
to
establ,
be
purely
you
need
to
pretty
clearly
establish
who's
in
control
and
I.
Think,
commissioner,
vice
mayor
hit
that
whether
Mark
stays
on
as
a
consultant
and
you
hire
somebody
as
the
city
manager
that
person
needs
to
have
the
authority
and
responsibility
of
the
city
manager
and
then
the
role
that
Mark
will
play
needs
to
be
pretty
well
defined.
Yeah.
A
So
are
there
any
last
comments
from
the
commission
concerning
this
agenda
item?
So
I
can
end
this
one.
N
Yeah
yes,
I'd
just
like
to
mention
that
you
know
come
Tuesday,
make
sure
this
commission's
ready
to
speak
their
heart
and
soul.
We
can
all
be
cold
shoulder
and
just
get
our
you
know,
General
phrases
out
there
and
make
a
decision,
but
this
is
an
important
decision
and
these
residents
need
to
understand
where
we're
at
where
our
heads
are
at
what
we're
thinking
and
that
we're
all
leading
in
our
own
way
to
come
together
for
a
decision.
N
So
you
know
it's,
we
can
easily
make
a
transition
and
just
check
off
one
of
our
boxes,
our
candidate,
you
know,
campaign
promises
and
call
it
a
day
or
we
can
just
make
sure
we
we
take
our
time
and
and
try
to
make
a
decision
it's
in
the
best
interests
of
the
city
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
get
some
of
these
variables
that
have
come
up
and
brought
up
into
the
attention
of
the
public
so
or
these
gentlemen
understand
where
certain
situations
can
happen
and
whereas
the
community
can
understand
too.
N
A
E
A
Okay,
all
right,
if
there's
no
further
questions
I'm
going
to
end
that
item
item
three,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
board
and
staff
comments.
Okay,
Commissioner,
of
course,
do
you
have
anything
Kim?
Do
you
have
anything?
Okay,
vice
mayor,
a
lot?
Okay,
commissioner
Eisner?
A
Commissioner,
no
comment,
commissioners,
okay,
I
wanted
to
get
back
to
Mr
delacis's
point
on
the
forward.
Pinellas
I,
don't
know
how
many
years
that
organization
has
been
in
place
with
a
consolidation
of
the
mpo
and
the
PPC,
but
we
have
been
sharing
a
seat
with
Safety
Harbor
in
Oldsmar,
for
it's
a
nine
year
rotation
we
get
it
for
three
years
and
then
Safety
Harbor
gets
it
and
all
the
smart
gets
it
and
Oldsmar
has
it
right.
A
A
We
somebody
else
got
seats
that
were
already
on
the
board.
We
did
not
and
then,
and
then
I'm,
not
sure
how,
where
we
went
from
there,
but
we
got
another
call,
because
one
of
the
Cities
felt
that
they
were
shortchanged
that
was
already
on
the
council.
They
wanted
to
reconsideration
themselves
and
when
that
came
back,
County
Commissioner
Dave
Eggers
had
this
exceptionally
good
plan
that
he
put
forward,
and
it
was
almost
a
plan
that
no
one
could
deny-
and
it
was
real,
very
little
effort
for
us
from
by
after
that.
A
But
we
did
get
some
good
support
from
actually
Dunedin
and
some
of
our
County
commissioners,
of
course,
in
St
Petersburg,
because
they
were
all
benefiting
from
this.
So
it
just
worked
out.
So
that
was
a
proof
where
we
get
our
own
seat,
which
is
extremely
important
in
terms
of
Transportation,
Planning
and
also
land
use
here
for
the
city
and
and
the
the
we're
I
I'm
certain
that
we're
the
only
new
individual
City.
That's
been
added
to
this
group
of
the
forward.