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A
B
A
A
Excellent,
okay:
we
have
one
department
to
present
and,
as
ron
told
me
before,
everybody
came
in,
he
is
officially
jane
today,
so
I
asked
him
if
he
could
call
me
tarzan
he's
going
to
present
the
hr
budget
and
then
we
have
a
variety
of
subjects
to
go
into,
but
let's
finish
off-
and
I
I
do
need
to
tell
you
one
other
comment
that
I
did
I'll
share
it
with
the
group.
This
is
our
last
departmental
presentation.
A
The
only
one
that
ron
and
I
kicked
around
when
paul
presented
paul-
has
this
massive
area.
The
presentation
last
week
was
kind
of
up
there
at
50,
60
000
feet
we're
in
the
grinder
next
year.
We'll
keep
that
one
in
mind
to
make
it
more
the
detail,
that's
part
of
our
value.
We
we
get
down
into
the
dirt,
so
we'll
talk
and
present
the
hr
budget.
Please.
D
I
thought
you're
going
to
call
me
jane.
I
didn't
want
to
call
you
the
hr
department.
As
you
know,
the
hr
department
takes
care
of,
of
course,
personnel
issues,
and
the
insurance
is
that
the
city
has
there's
four
employees
in
the
department,
an
hr
assistant,
the
hr
director,
hr
risk
management
coordinator
and
the
hr
specialist
in
the
budget
book
it
starts
on
page
33
is
the
hr
department
and
you
know,
there's
not
much
change
within
this,
but
the
personnel
category.
D
It's
basically
the
mostly
looks
like
the
funding
for
the
the
pay
increase,
the
one
categories
of
like
point
31
professional
services.
There
was
a
large
increase
in
expense,
but
it's
due
to
expansion
of
the
the
amount
of
background
checks
and
credit
checks
that
are
and
for
cash
handling
that
are
required
in
point
34,
other
contractual
services.
D
The
city
needs
to
is
going
to
get
an
electronic
applicant
tracking
system
that
had
to
be
filled
out
online
and
sorted
and
sent
to
departments
electronically
and
that's
the
purchase
of
the
three
thousand
dollars
in
the
point
34
there
other
than
that
there's
not
much
else
of
significance
in
this
department.
I
know
jane
wanted
to
say
we
are
going
out
for
bid
on.
You
know
the
health
insurance
we
budgeted
five
percent,
but
we're
looking,
maybe
we're
five
percent
estimate
on
the
health
insurance
originally
is
ten
percent.
Okay,
dental
and
life
foreign.
D
Percent
in
the
budget
you
got
there
right,
maybe
we're
looking,
maybe
closer
to
five
percent.
Okay.
C
D
B
We
had
we
had
a
good
year.
We
had
a
meeting
with
our
representative.
B
So
that's
why
he
said
he
was
comfortable
us,
reducing
it
from
ten
to
five,
because
from
his
their
analysis
and
they're,
a
good
they're,
a
good
company,
their
analysis,
it
wasn't
going
to
be
it'd,
probably
be
around
the
five
range.
Is
this.
A
The
the
hr
or
the
property.
B
Our
this,
this
is
on
the
the
health
insurance.
It's
okay.
We
thought
it
was
tough.
The
reason
we
changed
the
five
is
got.
We
got
a
pretty
pretty
good
report
from
our
our
contracted
consultant
who
handles
that
and
they
work
with
all
the
time
and
based
on
the
based
on
our
results
and
they're
worried,
because
other
cities
are
seeing
over
10,
10
and
15,
but
because
of
our
history
the
way
our
history
we
had
a
good
year,
so
he
doesn't
anticipate
it.
B
It's
only
80
85
percent
that
it's
probably
going
to
be
around
the
5
mark,
but
he
was
comfortable
enough
with
us
two
conservatives.
B
We
asked
you're
comfortable
enough
till
we
could
take
that
out
and
he
was
so
it's
not
set,
but
all
the
indications
and
all
of
their
complicated
formulas
they
use
that
the
insurance
company
will
use
for
us
we're
pretty
confident
we're
gonna
be
at
the
five.
So
we
could
move
down
from
that
ten
percent.
A
C
A
A
Okay,
sorry,
could
I
ask
one
question
and
I'll
call
you
wrong:
regular
salaries
and
wages.
D
D
D
A
Okay,
let
me
ask
you
a
question
and
I
was
going
to
ask
if
jane
was
here,
but
you
I'm
sure
I
know
the
controversy
four
weeks
ago
with
the
fire
department.
Let
me
call
it:
non-standard
pay
and
my
version
of
standard
pay
standard
pays
either
a
salary
or
an
hourly
rate
times.
The
number
of
out
have
we
looked
at
any
other
areas
that
have
what
I'm
going
to
call
non-standard
pay,
and
I
don't
know
there
may
not
be
any
other
areas.
D
B
But
our
auditor
is
in
hr.
It
is
the
next
audit
up,
okay
hr,
so
he
is,
he
is
into
all
the
files
and
I'm
sure
he'll
he'll
come
up
with
if
there's
anything,
but
we
have
been
since
that
commission
being
night,
we
have
been
trying
to
self
on
it,
and
first
thing
we
went
through
was
the
police
and
they
don't
have
any
of
those
situations.
A
B
B
I
know
when
you
don't
need
it
in
the
70s
or
80s
there's
a
document
that
confirmed
that
I
just
can't
find
the
70s
or
80s
document.
So
I
had
to
be
humble
and
go
onward,
but
it
wasn't
just
created
by
osmosis.
It
was
it.
Was
there
some
former
city
matter
or
something
wrote
it,
because
we
didn't
just
start
doing
it
just
in
the
archives
and
in
the
dungeon
of
records.
I
couldn't
produce
it.
So
obviously,
if
I
can't
produce
it
then
yeah,
but
if
nobody
trusts
your.
A
B
Was
an
easy
fix?
Well,
I
say
we
traced
it
back
to
city
managers
in
the
70s,
so
so,
however,
it
got
there
we're
fixing
it
and
we're.
I
already
wrote
the
policy,
the
policies
written
and
and
we'll
take
the
new
contract
to
the
fire
to
the
board
and
they'll
approve
it,
and
it
was
an
easy
it's
one
of
those,
a
lot
of
man-hours,
a
lot
of
everything,
but
it's
a
real
easy
fix.
So.
A
Was
yeah
if,
if
I
could
give
my
brief
public
version
of
there,
was
a
within
the
fire
department
and
extra
pay
for
like
inspections,
or
that
was
in
the
union
contract,
but
it
got
carried
it
over
to
yeah
we've.
B
Got
employees
we've
got
employees
who
are
non-union
union?
Of
course
the
union
only
negotiates
for
the
union
people
so,
but
so
back
then,
with
our
salaries
low.
You
know
we're
in
the
bottoms
now
we're
at
least
in
the
middle
and
the
bottom,
and
so
whenever
a
union
got
a
benefit
for
the
other
firefighters,
those
firefighters
that
are
out
of
the
union,
tennis
or
son,
it
was
usually
just
given.
It
was
given
to
them
also
the
board
they
didn't
bargain
for
him,
but
it
was
management's
right
to
okay.
B
That's
true
but
see
it's
easy
now,
because
what
I
would
do
in
these
days
that
you
didn't
do
back,
then,
is
if
I
had
a
promotion
and
there
was
benefits
that
they
got
as
a
union
and
they
weren't
going
to
get
it
going.
I
would
just
incorporate
in
the
salary
I
offer
them
right.
It
would
be
simple
nowadays
they
didn't
do
it
back
then,
and
we
just
continue
to
proud
friends.
If
I
get
a
new
promotion
lieutenant
he
comes
out
of
the
union
and
loses
some
pay.
B
I
just
incorporate
the
payoff
for
him
in
his
new
position
and
then
all
that
goes
away,
but
back
then
they
didn't
choose
to
do
it.
That
way,
did
just
almost
like
a
me
too.
We
used
to
call
him
way
back
in
the
day,
a
me
too
clause,
and
they
just
did
that
so,
but
it's
it's
an
easy
fix
and
it
was
just
a
lot
of
drama,
but
it's
neat.
A
A
Okay,
is
there
any
other
on
the
internet
questions
or
regarding
individual
departments
or
particularly
hr?
If
not
we'll
move
on,
we
do
have
several
many
items
in
the
new
business
and
you
know
many
are
interrelated.
I
would
say
because
it's
how
much
money
we're
going
to
have
at
the
end.
D
A
D
A
That's
a
little
excess
and
you
know
again
our
insurance
rate.
I
don't
know
because
we
don't
have-
and
maybe
you
have
a
better
handle
on
this,
what
that
gap
is.
Finally
at
the
end
of
the
day,
because
we
we
all
know
we
have
options
well,
we
have
multiple
options,
but
we
can
increase
the
unfunded
balances
yeah.
D
Since
your
budget
book,
I've
got
another
budget
book
now
and
I've
put
the
12
in
there.
You
know
come
to
a
new
budget
total.
You
know
the
total
budget
and
we're
talking.
This
is
a
general
fund.
That's
where
the
unassigned
fund
balance
and
the
millage
rate
is
so.
The
total
general
fund
went
up
about
768
thousand
dollars,
but
some
of
it
was
used.
We
we
increased
the
the
pay
increase
from
three
percent
to
five
percent,
so
that
took
up
160,
000
dollars.
A
D
C
A
We,
the.
A
B
B
That's
why
we
had
to
do
the
five
because
they're
comparable
we,
it
was
comfortable
as
it
was,
but
their
average
of
going
up
in
october
is
the
average
of
all
of
them
is
5.4
or
center
five
point,
and
none
of
them
are
set
in
stone.
Now
they
still
got
to
go
through
the
process,
but
right
now
it's
proposed
it's
like
just
over
five
percent
the
average.
So
this
will
keep
us
up
with
the
other
cities
in
the
area,
because
they're
average
with
five
three
five,
four,
something
like
that.
B
Yeah
they
did
an
average
and
that's
the
average.
So
several
people
in
fact
dunedin's
at
a
three
and
they're
working
to
bump
theirs
up,
because
they
heard
those
same
figures.
I
think
dunedin
was
the
one
who
was
in
the
room
with
largo
and
everybody
and
says
we
need
to
do
some
work
because
we're
at
three
I
said
well
we're
at
three
and
we've
already
done
the
work
we
got.
You
know
we
got
to
keep
up
so.
A
I
kept
thinking
with
all
this
going
on.
Should
we
be
looking
at
another
and
you're
right
october.
1St
is
a
new
fiscal
year,
so
by
putting
it
in
the
2023
budget,
we've
done
it
on
a
timely
basis,
because
gas
braces
okay
got
it
got
it.
Okay
didn't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
where
were
you
on
seven
six,
seven
hundred
sixty
eight
thousand
well.
D
We'd
like
to
say,
we
increased
the
three
percent
to
five
percent,
so
it
was
additional
two
percent
cost
in
the
general
fund
about
160
000.
We
went
through
and
revisited
the
fuel
costs,
so
we've
budgeted
about
76
thousand
dollars
more
for
the
fuel.
Since
the
you
know,
diesel
price
is
now
up
over
five
550
a
gallon.
D
We
had
some
cuts.
I
remember
I
remember
some
of
the
departments.
We
had
some
cuts,
so
there
was
23
000
in
planning.
We
took
another
item
out
in
the
in
general
fund
department
about
twenty
thousand.
We
go.
We
try
to
go
through
the
personnel
to
see.
Okay
did
some
positions,
get
filled,
did
some
people
leave
and
maybe
we
can
make
some
adjustments.
Some
people
might
have
family
coverage
on
their
health
insurance,
so
that
might
save
somebody.
Maybe
the
new
person
doesn't
so
we
had
about
seven
thousand
of
cuts
there,
so
that
left.
D
A
D
D
A
So
what
I'm
hoping?
And
it's?
Because
we
don't
have
firm,
everything's,
not
locked
in
stone
on
the
budget,
yet
that
from
a
budget
advisory
committee,
we
can
make
a
recommendation
based
on
the
knowledge,
as
opposed
to
a
hard,
firm
right.
Okay,.
D
We
were
at
5.45
for
a
number
of
years
and
then
about
I
think,
six
or
seven
years
ago,
when
we
went
down
to
5.42,
it
was
more.
I
think,
symbolic.
I
think,
because
the
amount
of
the
decrease
was
maybe
40
50
000
of
revenue.
Then
we
went
from
5.42
to
the
5.37
we're
at
now
and
that
wasn't
maybe
another
80
000.
We
went
down
so
annually.
It
is
between
the
50
and
the
80.
Maybe
130
000
of
revenue
we've
gone
down
per
year
that
going
from
5.45
to
5.37.
D
A
F
D
D
Uncertainty
is
a
word
too.
I
just
you
know,
what's
going
to
go
on
in
the
next
year,
I
just
you
know
the
last
time
we
had
the
recession
was
the
first
time,
my
being
here
where
the
taxable
values
went
down
back
in
2008
2009.
for
about
three
four
years,
and
luckily
we
had
the
reserves.
The
unassigned
fund
balance
to
help
cover
us
during
those
years.
A
A
D
There's
we
have
the
fund
balance
policy,
it's
a
20
minimum
of
calculated
based
on
the
expenditures
right
now
that
would
come
to
about
five
million
dollars
at
that
20
we've
been
hovering,
I
think,
about
5.2
we've
been
hovering
at
8.8
million
unassigned
fund
balance
actuals
for
the
next.
For
the
last
five
six
years.
We've
just
stayed
right
at
that
number.
We've
been
able
to
balance
the
general
fund
without
using.
A
D
A
D
Let's
say
I've
got
my
presentation
just
pull
that
out
here
and
that's
the
thing
is
we're
at
32
percent.
At
the
end
of
last
fiscal
year,
it's
20
percent's,
the
minimum
we're
at
32
percent.
It
was
I'm
sorry
it
was
5.5
million
is
what
that
twenty
percent
is
at.
I
think
in
in
the
graph
I
I
sent
out
before
my
worry
is
we're.
If
we
keep
it
stay
at
eight
point,
eight
million
expenditure
totals
are
going
up,
so
what
you
base
that
twenty
percent,
so
that
minimum
is
going
to
keep
going
up.
D
C
D
C
And
how
much
time
did
it
take
to
get
reimbursed
fema
right
when
we
had
irma
how
there
was
a
there
was
a
gap
there.
No.
A
Yeah,
so
in
terms
of,
if
we're
relating
it
over
to
our
personal
money,
we'd
call,
I
liken
it
to
a
rainy
day
fund.
You
don't
know
perfectly
what
the
is
gonna
but
it's
nice
to
have
that
question
and-
and
I
know,
there's
a
counterbalance
that
says
instead
of
taking
all
that
to
the
the
fund
to
give
some
back
to
the
citizens
and
thanks
so.
F
That's
what
I'm
curious
to
know.
So,
let's
say
for
a
200
000
home.
That's
homestead
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
they're,
going
to
take
a
big
hit
this
year
because
with
the
increase
in
the
value-
and
that
might
be
a
surprise
for
a
lot
of
folks-
that
they
don't
know
that-
don't
see
that
coming.
What
would
this
mean
in
dollars
for
them?.
D
I'm
sorry
to
say
about
save
our
homes
right
well,
part
of
it
is
your
taxable
value
is
going
up.
Maybe
your
value
went
up
ten
percent,
but
it
can't
go
up
more
than
the
cpi
or
three
percent
at
most
per
the
property
appraisers.
The
actual
taxes
reaction
that
you're
getting
taxed
on
for
your
home,
so
yeah.
If
it
went
up
ten
percent
you're
not
going
to
get
charged
on
that
extra
10
percent
it'll
still
be
at
the
most
three
percent.
A
A
F
Figure
out
dollar
wise
like
if
we
because
I
can
see
the
gate
like
putting
500
thousand
dollars
in
the
fund,
is
good
as
a
business
owner.
It
would
scare
me
if
I
only
had
two
months
worth
of
expenses
in
the
bank
and
we
live
where
we
live,
so
I
get
we're
having
that
as
more
would
be
nice,
I'm
just
curious
to
know
kind
of
what
does
that
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day
to
the
homeowner
in
town?
If
we
did
lower
like
is
it
is
it
a
lot
of
money
is
a
little
money.
F
Worth
to
the
homeowner,
if
we
were
to
take
it
down
a
couple
of
points
versus
not
just
as
a
or
to
take
the
approach
of
you
know
what
this
year,
because
I
totally
get
that,
let's
just
save
it
all,
and
then,
if,
if
we
come
out
of
this
another
year
unscathed
and
we
have
another
surplus,
then
we
can
talk
about
next
year.
Lowering
it
down.
A
Would
the
do
you
have
if,
if
hypothetically
the
tax
millage
was
reduced,
five
he's
got.
D
E
D
Property
values:
two
million
four
hundred
forty,
two
thousand
three,
eighty,
eight
six
one.
Could
you
probably.
C
C
C
F
E
C
A
D
B
I'll
find
my
four
I
gotta,
I
got
a
whole
formula.
That'll
show
you
what
the
value
of
the
home
is
per
hundred
thousand,
how
much
he
gives
back
and
he
did
it
for
me.
He
he's
probably
been
all
the
other
stuff
but
I'll
find
the
formula,
and
you
can
figure
how
much
it
gives
back
you're
right
when
we
did
that
and
that's
what
you
guys.
B
A
A
B
They'll
look
at
it
because
I'm
sure
some
of
the
cities
realize
and
again
the
biggest
realization
is
I'm
not
sure
how
much
all
those
numbers
in
that
budget
aren't
going
to
be
are
aren't
low
because
of
the
prices.
Now
I
mean
you
may
end
up
in
october
and
december
and
you're
going
to
have
a
shortfall
from
a
lot
of
the
things
we
estimate.
You're
gonna
have
you're
just
having
shortfalls,
so
I
think
the
cities
are
gonna
realize
yeah.
We
may
be
getting
the
12
percent,
but
in
reality
all
of
our
costs
and
stuff
go
up.
B
We're
probably
going
to
need
a
lot
of
that
money,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
see
some
of
them
do
maybe
a
symbolic
roll
back,
like
he
just
said
just
to
say
at
least
we're
good,
even
if
it's
10
15
a
person
at
least
we're
giving
you
something
back
for
this
and
stuff
so
and
that's
what
the
commission
will
have
to
wrestle
with
I'm
on
there
in
reality,
what
it's
going
to
put
in
the
homeowner's
pocket
is
is
not
much,
but
it's
still
a
symbolism.
Hey.
B
That's
what
that's?
What
happened
to
clow
water,
the
funny
story
of
clearwater?
Is
we
always
that's
a
good
point
when
we
had
our
attacks
on
our
rate?
There's
five
full-service
cities
in
pinellas,
county
largo,
clearwater
state
pete.
We
were.
We
were
second
from
the
bottom,
but
clearwater
was
lower
than
us.
They
kept
keeping
theirs
at
five
one
nine.
They
wouldn't
move
it
we're
in
the
three.
So
we
couldn't
say
like
we
wanted
to
say
we're
the
lowest
millage
rate
of
full
service.
You
have
police
buyer
everything.
B
We
were
lowest
because
clearwater
did
it,
but
clearwater
hung
that
5.19
so
long
that
they
finally
imploded
and
had
to
move
it
up
to
almost
six
because
they
just
got
so
far
behind
they
got
so
they
went
from
a
drastic
five
one,
nine
almost
to
five.
They
had
to
do
a
drastic,
which
we
were
cheering
because
okay,
now
we're
the
lowest
of
the
five
full
server
cities.
Now
we
can
finally
claim
the
millage
rate,
but
they
tried
to
hold
back
and
hold
back,
and
then
they
had
to
do
a
big
increase.
B
D
And
I
think
that's
part
of
the
thing
back
when
they
had
they
called
the
great
recession
back
there
in
2009
we
had
the
reserves
to
help
cover
us,
but
since
then,
up
until
now
we
were
able,
even
though
they're
smaller,
smaller
inc
in
decreases
in
the
millage
rate,
we
were
able
to
decrease.
It,
like
mark
was
saying
not
just
clear
water,
but
the
other
full-service
cities
were
increasing
it
during
the
last
period
of
time,
and
I
know
I
talked
to
finance
director
dunedin
just
last
week
and
he's
hoping
they
need
to
increase
their
millage
rate.
D
D
Internal
by
the
city,
you
know
different
cities
and
I
did
a
little
survey
and
it
was
in
the
presentation
they
ranged
between
eight
percent
and
20
and
there
were
some
emails
going
from
finance
directors.
Today
some
are
even
more
than
the
20
percent.
You
know
you
have
to
find.
What's
a,
I
think,
20
percent
is
a
good
solid
number
there
that
to
keep
it
at
our
government.
Finance
officers.
Association
recommends
17
percent
two
months
worth.
A
G
G
But
again
we're
talking
about
increasing
the
money
in
the
united.
F
A
D
It
be
something
that
you'd
want
to
do.
I
know
you
mentioned
500
000,
but
what
if
you
said
well
we'd
like
to
see
every
year
you
do
thousand
dollars
a
year.
The
reason
I'm
saying
that
is
our
the
general
fund
expenditures
go
up
about
a
million
dollars
a
year
well
to
twenty
percent.
That's
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
keep
it
going
up
with
the
level
of
expenditures
and
stuff.
D
You
would
put
a
line
item
in
the
budget.
An
expenditure
reserve,
whether
you
do
five
hundred
thousand
or
two
hundred
thousand.
We
put
a
line
item,
say
it's
0.99
in
the
one
department
reserved
for
unassigned
fund
balance,
you
want
200
000,
you
want
500
000,
it's
an
expenditure
item,
but
we
don't
touch
it.
A
And
I
just
I
remember
the
opinion
right
now:
yeah,
you
know
we
price
it
we're
in
kind
of
good
times.
Good
time
I
mean
this
s,
value
is
up
we're
getting
some
nice
government
money,
the
12.8
million-
and
I
know
there's
the
other
six
hundred
thousand.
It's
lots
coming
in
now
may
be
the
time,
and
I
know
you
can't
technically
say
that
money
from
the
12.8
is
going
into
reserves.
A
D
D
D
A
C
D
A
C
Given
that
we're
the
lowest
and
there's
a
lot
of
risk,
I
see
coming
my
my
view
would
be
to
leave
the
military
where
it's
at
to
avoid
having
a
decrease
in
that
increase
again
next
year.
That's
probably
what
I
would
submit.
I
agree
with
that.
F
I
do
too
because
the
other
thing
too,
I
think,
when
everybody
opens
their
property
tax
bill,
the
number
of
their
new
value
is
going
to
be,
what's
so
overwhelming
to
them
and
significant
that
the
little
bit
of
the
millage
decrease
is
just
going
to
get
lost
like
at
least
do
it.
In
a
year
we
can
get
some
credit
and
it's.
G
Do
this
separately,
we've
got
to
talk
about
the
une
fund,
balance
you're
talking
about
taking
all
the
money,
all
the
most
of
the
excess
money
this
year,
and
I
would
rather
see
us
do
it
over
like
this
over
a
period
of
time
increase
it
each
year,
because,
yes,
your
rainy
day
fund,
your
expenses
are
going
up,
but
with
this
global
warming
you
don't
know
how
many
unknowns
are
out
there
right
now.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
increase
the
unassigned
fund
balance
and
I
would
like
to
see
us
do
it
gradually,
rather
than
just.
G
And
stagger
the
additions
or
because
each
of
these
is
only
projected
you've
only
got
these
projected
for
six
years.
I
don't
know
how
you
want
to
do
it
because
somebody's
you
got
an
alternate
plan
there
and
two
different
annual
plans.
I
would
prefer
to
see
something
like
that,
rather
than
one
time
some
right
now.
D
G
G
F
A
D
E
You
know
what
I
think.
Okay,
I
think
that
the
real
estate
market
is
going
to
plummet
and
I
think
we're
going
into
a
major
recession
and
every
major
economic
indicator
indications.
I
think
the
fed
funds
are
going
to
continue
to
raise
interest
rates
and
I
think
we're
in
for
a
really
hard
time
in
the
next
few
years.
That's
what
I
think
sorry.
D
And
that's
basically
what
we're
hearing
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
my
graph
on
their
first
presentation,
which
showed
the
millage
rate
going.
You
know
the
assessed
values
going
down
and
the
revenue
is
going
down
after
the
they
called
it
the
great
recession.
Hopefully
it
doesn't
happen,
but
I
think
I'm
hearing
the
same
thing.
You
are
and
stuff.
C
A
C
F
So
bringing
it
back
to
the
decisions
to
make
today
with
uncertainty
ahead.
It's
really
all
about
the
leave.
The
millage,
if
you
say,
leave
the
millage
rate
alone.
All
of
the
overage
of
almost
500
000
should
go
in
the
unassigned
fund,
then,
which
would
make
the
most
sense,
and
then,
who
knows
what
we
can
spread
that
out
over.
F
D
C
E
A
Like
to
make
again
it's
as
opposed
to
a
hard
firm,
what
we're
seeing
to
recommend
to
the
board
to.
A
D
A
A
F
B
B
And
you
may
get
a
feel
tuesday
night
when
somebody
a
lot
of
these
factors.
You're
talking
about
tonight,
are
going
to
be
brought
to
commission.
You
may
hear
their
feel
their
feel
of
what
they
if
they
want
to
go
to
projects
or
that,
but
the
two
city
commission
me.
We
have
a
pre-budget
meeting
which
we
hadn't
done
before,
but
we
thought
with
a
new
board
and
stuff
we
needed
to
give
a
pre
before
their
two
budget
workstops
that's
tuesday,
and
then
their
two
meetings
are
july.
19Th
july.
C
A
Okay,
okay,
can
we
can
we
all
take
this
home
with
us
and
think
about
it
and
just
go?
We
might
want
to
come
in
with
a
recommendation
before
their
first
meeting,
which
we're
humble
people,
the
commission
can
say
hell,
no,
what
the
hell
were
they
thinking
or
they
could
at
least
they
know
we're
yeah
we're
like
a
bouncing
board,
we're
worth
thinking.
They
may
disagree.
They
may
want
to
yeah
and.
B
B
A
C
F
I
just
want
to
get
really
clear
on
something,
so
the
questions
are
like
if
I
were
to
say:
if,
if
it
wasn't
a
violation
of
sunshine,
I
would
email
someone
and
say:
leave
the
millage
rate
alone,
give
a
five
percent
increase
for
employees
and
all
the
rest
goes
into
the
unassigned
fund.
That's
all
we're
really
looking
for
or
some
alternative,
some
kind
of
alternative
use
of
them.
B
Do
and
that's
one
of
the
things
for
again
for
tuesday.
Also
here
is
five
years
here
is
all
the
projects
you,
you
need
to
start
making
decisions
on
what
we're
going
to
start
with
and
how
we're
going
to
spread
out
the
next
way
to
do
it,
that's
one
of
their.
In
fact,
that's
to
me,
the
main
purpose
of
the
commission
in
this
budget
year
is
to
start
saying
what
are
we
starting
with,
so
we
can
slot
that
into
budget.
Here's
the
projections
the
next
five
years,
when's
the
fire
station
going
to
be
built.
B
When
is
this
going
to
be
built?
When
is
that
going
to
be
built?
That's
that's!
That's
what
I
don't
know,
that's
the
major
things
that
they
need
to
get.
They
need
the
grass
real
fast
and
set
the
tone,
because
we
can't
really
budget
a
lot
of
the
product
for
this
year
in
our.
If
we
don't
know
the
ones
we're
going
to
leave
out,
because
there's
40
million
of
them
that
that's
they're
all
needed,
that's
my
thing
aboard
just
picks.
B
B
Well,
yeah,
but
I
don't
know
how
long
that's
going
to
take
throughout
the
budget
process.
You
got,
you
got
their
two
meetings,
it
could
be
all,
but
you
could
hear
a
direction.
You
could
hear
kind
of
their
concepts
and
ideas.
But
again
I'm
more
talking
about
the
process.
I
worry
about
you
doing
anything
out
of
the
meeting
with
your
opinions
and
going
together
and
it's
just
real
shaky.
It's
best.
Everybody
goes
back,
looks
over
and
thinks
and
you
come
back
to
a
meeting
and
then
your
roundtable,
what
you
all
think
and
make
a
vote.
E
D
Everybody
except
police
and
fire
union
employees
they
have
their
own
salary
contracts.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
we'll
jump
back
to
that
at
the
end
of
it
and
determine
what
we
want
to
do
proposed.
Salary
increase
is
okay,
so
you've
indicated
we're
going
to
put
it
in
at
five
percent
for
2023
budget
effective
october
1st.
D
593
000
is
out
there
as
positions
that
are
currently.
You
know
currently
open
total
for
the
city
about
1.6
million
dollars
worth
of
salary
and
benefits
that
are
currently
open.
But
we're,
like
most
departments,
are
either
have
the
applications
out
there
they're
reviewing
the
applications
or
they
might
be
later
in
the
process,
maybe
they're
doing
background
checks.
A
D
A
D
C
Are
you
is
this
an
what
I'm
trying
to
ask
is:
is
this
a
normal
amount
of
vacancies,
or
is
there
more
than
normal?
Is
that
what
I.
B
B
E
A
B
Now
our
inspectors,
a
lot
of
the
people,
we're
losing-
I
mean
it's
not
just
you
get
a
5
000
raises
20
25
000
to
grab
one
of
our
building
inspectors
and
and
take
them
to
a
private
company
to
do
it.
You
know
yeah,
you
know
before
you're
talking
about
trying
to
be
the
city
with
a
you
know:
five
thousand
dollar
more
off
or
three
thousand.
Now
the
private
sector
come
in
swooping
up
these
people,
and-
and
just
you
know
you
I
said
he
can't
compete
with
him
and
stuff.
B
So
that's
a
lot
now,
because
a
lot
of
things
boom
and
now
the
things
that
are
booming
start
going
down
that
could
change,
but
especially
some
of
the
skill
positions
and
then
the
strange
effect
is
it's
hard
to
find.
Somebody
will
go
outside
and
cut
grass
now,
so
it's
not
only
just
the
positions
that
are
good
in
the
market
to
go.
You
know
those
type
of
of
jobs
where
you
get
30
people,
oh
man,
that's
good.
I
get
the
city
benefits
and
stuff
and
just
have
to
look.
B
You
know
you're
seeing
a
lot
again.
This
is
statewide.
This
is
not
just
us
they're
saying
some
of
the
jobs
that
normally
be
labor
and
and
application.
Intents
of
the
fill
you
know
are:
aren't
there
they're
not
applying
so.
F
I
employ
a
lot
of
skilled
labor
and
we've
lost
five
people
in
the
last
month
that
are
moving
further
north
for
cost
of
living
reasons,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
housing
that
we
have
here
is
a
lot
of
people
from
higher
costs
of
living
are
moving
here
and
they
are
working
remotely
getting
paid
the
same
they're
getting
paid
boston
wages
to
live
in
florida,
no
state
income,
tax,
they're
taking
homes
that
would
otherwise
be
held
by
people
who
would
work
locally,
and
I
think
that's
causing
a
real
confluence
of
problems.
F
Same
thing,
all
those
things
kind
of
I
think
are
combining
to
make
it
very
challenging,
especially
in
pinellas
county,
because,
like
some
other
places
are
trying
to
pull,
people
come
here
and
fuel
our
economy
by
working
remotely.
Here
we
already
had
plenty
to
pull
people
to
this
area.
Like
you
know
so
now,
we've
got
a
double
problem
where
we
have
a
great
area
to
live
a
great
income
tax
situation
and
as
people
can
come
here
and
work
remotely.
A
A
E
E
E
E
F
B
Earlier
is
never
a
pro:
the
problem
is
later
and
most
depends
for
a
regular
if
you're
going
by
regular
meetings,
I
think
our
day
is
we
just
got
to
remember
where
it
televised
and
stuff.
So
if
there's
a
6
or
6
30
meeting
over
there,
we'd
have
to
be
done
because
they
can't
do
set
up
and
do
two
meetings.
So
it
depends
on
the
the
day
and
the
night
later
anything
earlier
doesn't
affect
anything
with
the.
But
that's
why?
Because
another
board
talked
about
moving
their
meetings
to
the
evening.
B
A
B
I
had
to
bump
one
night
of
beauty
and
the
beast
tuesday
of
their
rehearsal,
because
the
commission
meeting
got
extended.
I
had
no
date
to
extend
it
to
so
I
had
to
bump
beauty
and
the
beast
from
the
auditorium
over
there.
So
so
it
would
just
be.
I
know
I
I
told
him.
I
told
the
commission
you're
making
me
bump
because
I
was
gonna
bump
him.
I
had
my
meeting.
B
I
was
gonna
set
with
his
budget
meeting
and
I
didn't
want
to
bump
and
I
didn't
do
it
so
I
wouldn't
bump
beauty
and
beast,
but
I
blame
the
commission
for
bumping
stuff
so
that
so
so
the
earlier
is
not
problem.
That's
the
only
problem
as
long
as
it's
the
right
day
now,
if
we
do
meetings
like
this
every
week,
you
know
these
we
might
have
the
time
could
go
and
stuff,
but
we
just
have
to
be
cognizant
on
the
night
in
the
meetings,
the
three
or
four,
usually
one.
B
C
B
D
A
New
commission
will
use
it
under
mayor
chris.
He
wanted
to
use
us
as
a
sounding
board
on
a
lot
of
things,
which
was
great,
maybe
a
different
lifestyle.
I
mean
I'm
I'm
willing
to
consider
an
earlier.
C
Guess
I
would
say,
like
I
can
try
to
flex,
but
if,
if
something
comes
up
I
just
well,
you
know
I
can
just
skip
a
meeting.
If
I
have
a
conflict,
no
okay,
we
got
a
full
board
so
yeah
we
do.
G
C
B
A
A
You
know
if
if
we
move
the
I'm
allowed
to
because
nine
o'clock
is
early,
but
if
we
move
these
meetings
to
nine
o'clock,
does
that
pose
any
issues?
Does
that
pose.
A
A
A
A
D
One
other
thing
too:
I
mean
I
went,
this
went
to
my
annual
conference,
but
you
know
the
debts
and
the
bond
issues
have
needed
a
credit
rating.
You
know
if
you
start
getting
down,
you
know
somebody's
at
their
15
percent
or
that
that's
going
to
say
all
that
you
know
maybe
they're
going
under
their
fund
balance
and
it
might
affect
their
credit
rating.
Oh.
D
A
D
A
D
G
B
F
Who's
ultimately
responsible
for,
like
who's
accountable
to
know
that,
like
to
your
point
of
like
with
hr,
that
the
workload
is
there
to
to
need
four
people
like.
Does
that
your
job?
Whose
job
is
that?
Because,
like
everybody
coming
here,
I'm
who
am
I
to
say
that
whether
they
do
or
don't
need
x
amount
of
money
or
people?
I
don't
know
anything.
B
It
would
be
my
job
to
present
that,
but
lately
other
people,
other
people
have
dictated
it
that
need
when
I've,
as
as
he
knows
last
year
out,
I
was
real
skeptical
about
adding
the
people
they
had
in
the
budget,
but
it
was
an
outcry
from
some
people
in
the
public
and
and
some
commission
members,
because
I'm
always
skittish
on
people
where
we
get
five.
What
they
give
me
five
and
usually
a
city
manager,
you're,
jumping
up
and
down
and
happy
with
it.
I'm
on
the
way.
B
B
We
are
in
the
place
where,
if
we
weren't
able
to
cut
freeze
positions
and
do
that,
we're
gonna
have
to
lay
people
off
in
the
in
that
2009
210
211,
which
is
the
worst
feeling
I
could
ever
imagine
as
the
city
manager
in
bad
times
telling
somebody
they
don't
have
a
job.
So
I'm
always
skittish
like
like
he
is
and
stuff,
and
you
know
the
commission,
the
positions
worked
out.
I
got
last
time.
B
B
B
We
got
more
grants
than
we
can
manage
because
everybody
is
nice
to
get
all
these
monies,
but
you
have
to
manage
the
projects
and
we're
close,
but
the
push
last
year
they
didn't
get
that
they
got
the
sustainability
position,
but
they
didn't
I'm
sure
they're
gonna
come
back
full
force
on
on
the
grant
writer
position
which,
which
is
which
is
nice,
but
again,
look
at
all
the
grants.
We've
gotten
with
us
and
staff,
and
we
do
got
a
consultant.
We
can
go
to
to
do
things
we're
pulling
in
the
grants
right
and
left.
B
That's
one
thing
you
may
need
to
send
out
again
the
newest,
the
most
of
of
grant.
We
we've
got
between
that
and
arp
and
all
the
other
money
we've
got
we
got.
I
don't
know
the
position.
I
may
need
to
ask
for
someone
to
manage
all
the
progress
we've
got.
So
it's
always
delicate
on
position.
I
think
that
one
they
reluctantly
didn't
give
public.
They
want
more
done.
Public
works-wise
and
right
now,
they've
already
put
too
much
of
a
burden
on
us
and
we
can
handle.
B
We
either
got
to
scale
down
some
of
the
flowers
and
pots
and
all
the
other
things
we
need
the
workers
to
handle
them.
They
are
at
a
breaking
point.
Without
you,
you
can't
go
both.
You
can't
add
all
these
things
and
not
people.
So
I
imagine
they're
gonna,
look
at
a
couple
of
positions
for
that
and
I
think
a
couple
police
officers.
B
I
think,
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
five
that's
going
to
come
up
that
we're
going
to
discuss,
because
that's
the
one
I'm
hearing,
because
we
have
a
better
chance
to
get
the
extra
firefighters
on
the
grants
that
are
available
coming
up
and
from
the
county
with
their
account
we're
real
close
to
the
county
council
of
them,
paying
a
good
portion
of
three
persons
out
which
would
solve
the
fire
departments
that
were
not
in
that
place
with
police.
B
B
So
so
we'll
we'll
know
a
little
picture
tuesday
night,
because
we're
going
to
talk
about
what
positions,
because
I
haven't
proposed
any
and
of
course
you
have
to
have
the
funding.
You
know
one
of
the
places
they
get
the
money
from
is
that
460
000.?
If
you
really
want,
if
you're
really
looking
at
positions,
so
I'm
gonna
get
that
feel
to
tonight.
Because,
again
you
know
some
of
the
positions
were
kind
of
forced
last
time
which
are
nice.
They
put
them
to
work
and
they're
working
full
forward
with
them
and
stuff,
but.
A
B
It
wouldn't
be
at
the
fire.
One
is
the
the
county.
Would
we
we'd
reach
the
numbers
of
service
calls
and
stuff,
where
a
large
part
how
much
how
much
of
their
salary
would
be
paid?
It
would
be
permanent
in
perpetuity
for
ten
years.
That
would
be
perpetuity
and
stuff
the
one
grant.
They
there's
a
grant
out
there
they
could
get
which
they
pay
for
for
three
years,
then
we
have
to
be
ready
to
take
it
over.
B
B
D
D
D
D
A
A
A
A
A
D
A
That's
from
the
stock
markets
that
way
to
the
budget
to
take
the
excess
to
the
unfunded
fund
as
a
as
opposed
to.
A
Taking
a
is
there.
C
D
C
A
C
A
A
Okay,
okay,
let's
see,
if
there's
anything
else
here
then
we'll.
A
Could
we
have
a
vote
on
that?
Please
sure
thank.
C
You
miss
major,
yes,.
A
C
And
that
will
be
at
two
o'clock
until
I
bring
back
either
a
resolution
or
an
amendment
to
the
rules:
okay,
okay
july
21st.
Okay,
that's.
A
A
A
Okay,
nice
man,
we
covered
that
get
to.
F
A
B
B
We'll
look
for
something
known
as
charts
like
those
charts.
We
talked
about
that
for
the
new
board
members
here
and
some
of
those
charts
we
we
did
in
past
years
that
are
real
helpful.
You
mean,
like
200
000,
like
that
and
some
of
the
other
document
that
you
have
that
that
try
to
find
some
of
those
things
from
the
past
years,
we'll
try
to
send
it
to
the
new
members.
What
we've
done
the
last
couple
of
years
of
explaining
is
that
that
would
really
help.
Not
only
is
it
this
much,
this
is
yeah.
A
Seeing
the
financials,
but
you
learn
it
after
a
while.
Okay
were
there
any
other
agenda
items
wanted
for
this
july,
21st
we'll
get
an
update
on
what's
going
on
financially,
but
okay
with
that
said,
let's
call
at
3
33
in
the
afternoon
for
adjournment.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
everybody
for
the
input.
Thank
you.