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From YouTube: Heritage Preservation Board November 6, 2017
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C
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E
C
F
Hi,
my
name
is
Carrie
root.
I
live
at
203
saw
Spring,
Boulevard
and
Tarpon
Springs
Florida
I'm,
four,
six,
eight
nine.
My
comment
is
that
I
noticed
that
the
renovations
happening
happening
at
the
former
Shoals
house,
which
I
believe
is
123,
saw
spring
boulevard.
They
stripped
the
siding
off
on
the
lower
level
below
the
front
porch
and
they
have
we
they've
replaced
it
with
wood.
B
B
C
I
It's
something
you
guys
need
to
be
aware
of,
because
why
have
a
well
I
have
a
preservation
board,
and
why
are
we
historic
district
if
part
of
the
people
follow
the
rules,
and
somebody
else
comes
in
puts
in
cheap
windows,
puts
in
doesn't
pull
permits
and
does
things
that
don't
really
meet
the
standards
of
this
particular
neighborhood
as
being
a
historic
district
and
the
rules
and
regulations
that
go
with
it.
Thank
you.
G
Would
just
say
that
if
there's
any
particular
address
that
you
are
aware
of
that,
any
work
is
being
done
to
this.
Please
call
us
and
let
us
know
there
are
renovations
that
can
be
made
with
staff
approval
I'm,
depending
if
it's
a
contributing
or
non
contributing
structure
and
depending
on
what
they're
doing
there
are
things
that
can
be
removed,
reviewed
by
staff
and
approved
that
way.
So
if
you
see
something
at
home
that
you
feel
hasn't
been
permitted
or
you
questioned
just
call
us
and
we'll
be
happy
to
look
into
it,
for
you.
F
F
It
builds
an
esprit
de
corps
for
a
neighborhood
to
have
that
sort
of
designation,
and
at
that
point,
I
was
told
that
the
the
city
had
purchased
their
own
sign
making
machines
and
that
they
would
absolutely
be
able
to
do
that.
But
I've
seen
signs
now
go
up
in
replacement
and
there's
absolutely
nothing
there.
So
I'd
ask
that
the
board
and
the
staff
consider
making
that,
because
I
think
it
would
be
a
very
positive
impact
to
the
historic
areas
of
Tarpon
Springs.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
G
G
You
know
they're,
fading
and
they're
hard
to
read
at
that
light
blue
and
the
white,
so
we
started
looking
at
perhaps
replacing
those
and
then
that
guy
into
a
bigger
discussion
about
a
lot
of
other
signs
that
are
in
the
city
that
are
not
looking
so
good,
whether
there's
street
signs,
whether
they're
neighbourhood
signs,
whether
like
the
Union
Academy
sign,
is
cracked
and
so
their
staff.
Right
now,
that's
they're
doing
a
survey
of
all
of
the
signage
in
the
city
and
coming
back
with
a
program
to
replace
a
lot
of
the
signs.
G
We've
talked
about
doing
some
historic
signs
on
the
sponge,
not
historic,
but
replacing
street
signs
on
the
sponge
docks
with
white
poles.
That
would
have
a
name
in
greek
and
english.
That
would
make
that
a
little
bit
more
culturally.
So
we
could
look
at
doing
some
things
in
the
downtown
too.
But
if
you
have,
you
know
samples
of
anything
that
you'd
like
to
see
just
send
it
over
and
we'll
look
at
it.
C
E
J
J
C
K
Is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
with
a
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
and
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing?
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
and
Tate
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances.
In
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
K
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
the
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
cop,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
Code
of
Ordinances
and
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Orden
tsa's,
and
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
G
Application
is
for
301
Bay
Street,
which
is
a
contributing
structure.
The
residents
are
looking
they've
done,
some
renovations
over
the
past
several
years
that
have
received
approval
by
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board,
primarily
replacing
windows
in
2014
and
then
the
remaining
of
all
of
their
windows
in
2016
and
we've.
G
The
footprint
of
the
building
is
336
square
feet
and
then
the
total
under
roof
would
be
672.
So,
within
the
staff
report,
we've
got
the
criteria
that
you
look
at
along
with
the
staff
analysis.
I'll
just
go
through
the
relevant
ones.
Number
one
looks
at
the
height
and
width
of
the
structures
and
how
it
looks
with
the
neighborhood.
G
This
is
a
new
garage,
so
this
new
construction,
it
would
not
be
a
contributing
structure.
Its
footprint
of
the
336
square
feet
has
a
height
of
18
feet.
It
meets
the
land
development
code
for
that
zoning
district,
which
is
our
sixty.
We
went
and
looked
at
the
adjacent
structures
in
that
neighborhood.
The
primary
structure
is
our
combination
of
single
and
two-story
homes
and
then
the
garages
we
looked
in
in
that
same
alley.
There's
I
got
some
pictures
in
there
for
you
there's
another
two-story
garage
and
another.
G
It
looks
like
one
and
a
half
story
garage
in
that
same
alley,
number
two
looks
at
piping
width
of
doors
and
entry
ways
again.
The
window
is
in
the
garage
are
going
to
match
the
existing
windows
of
their
primary
structure,
they're
having
a
standard
garage
door
and
the
entry
doors
are
a
white
steel.
If
you
look
at
within
the
packet,
they
gave
you
a
rendering
of
the
new
garage.
Just
want
to
point
out
that
those
windows
are
not
the
windows
they
couldn't
get
the
designer
to
do.
G
The
windows
and
windows
are
gonna,
be
what
they
have
in
their
in
their
home.
Number
three
looks
at
the
relationship
of
the
structure
to
the
open
space
staff
analysis
is
it's
not
going
to
adversely
affect
any
existing
open
space
on
the
garage
is
placed
in
the
rear
of
the
yard,
which
meets
the
design
guidelines.
G
They
want
structures
like
that
located
in
the
rear
yard
or
the
side
yard
closest
to
the
rear,
and
the
policemen
also
meets
the
side,
yard
setbacks
and
the
rear
setbacks,
which
are
both
5
feet
minimum
and
they
provided
a
survey
and
site
plan
showing
those
setbacks
on
the
shape
and
texture
of
the
roof
is
consistent
with
similar
garages
in
the
area.
That's
also
again,
it's
going
to
replicate
the
roof
of
the
primary
structures
with
shingles
with
a
12
3
pitch.
There's
a
new
building
code,
it'll
be
12.
G
Three
and
a
half
number-5
looks
at
the
size
and
mass
shape
of
the
building
again
by
code
and
accessory
structure.
What
this
is
considered
must
be
subordinate
an
area
to
the
primary
structure.
Now
the
existing
home
is
1325
square
feet.
The
proposed
garage
is
336
square
foot
footprint,
which
is
what
Planning
and
Zoning
looks
at,
and
a
total
of
672
under
roof.
G
Landscaping
was
not
a
portion
of
this
number,
seven
doesn't
apply.
It's
new
construction
number
eight
talks
about
not
replicating
a
previous
appearance,
and
the
garage
isn't
attempting
to
replicate
anything
earlier
than
what
it
is,
but
it
is
being
designed
to
replicate
the
home
itself
and
number.
Nine
is
new
construction
number
10
talks
about
conforming
to
other
requirements
of
the
code,
a
place
where
the
garage
meets
the
land
development
code.
G
G
It's
what
meets
all
the
requirements
as
determined
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
director
of
the
land
development
code,
and
there
are
no
impacts
on
archaeological
sites.
So
the
recommendation
from
staff
is
to
approve
the
request,
with
the
condition
that
a
building
permit
is
required
and
the
applicants
required
to
obtain
the
proper,
permitting
the
public
notification
at
the
time
that
this
was
written.
We
had
not
received
any.
However,
there
has
been
two
correspondence
from
neighbors.
G
One
was
a
neighbor
at
3:05
Bay,
which
pointed
out
some
objections
that
that
neighbor
had
to
the
garage
and
some
Commons,
and
there
was
also
an
email.
That's
in
your
packet
that
was
supporting
from
an
additional
neighbor
come
out
with
that.
You've
got
the
survey
and
all
the
information
in
your
packet
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
So,
just
to
clarify
the
process,
because
not
everybody
has
been
before
the
board
knows
exactly
where
everybody
will
get
a
chance
to
speak
or
ask
questions
so
we're
gonna
follow.
What's
in
our
proceedings,
where
I
buy
laws
for
how
this
will
move
forward
with
questions
and
in
speaking
and
public
comments.
So
the
way
it
states
and
our
guidelines
is
that
the
presentation
will
be
made
by
staff
subject
to
questions
from
the
board.
B
B
G
B
G
H
G
C
G
B
Chairman
when
I
drove
it-
and
admittedly
it
was
starting
to
get
dark
tonight
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
on
the
block
of
Bay
Street,
that
this
property
is
on
so
be
the
the
west
side
of
the
alley.
So
all
the
houses
that
fronts
on
Bay
the
same
block
as
this
property
I
didn't
see
any
two-story
garages
or
accessory
structures.
There
was
one
two-story
house,
not
the
house,
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site,
but
one
house
down
so
two
houses.
B
C
I
just
want
to
know
if
my
numbers
were
right,
I
counted
nine,
you
could
count.
Another
said
that
I
saw
is
ten
and
I
saw
one
that
was
an
actual
two
story
with
finished
square
footage
on
the
top
I'm.
So
one
out
of
ten
was
the
number
I
just
want
to
make.
Sure
I
was
accurate
on
that.
Looking
at
the
land
development
code
and
it's
referenced
are
sixty
and
I'm,
not
sure
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
reading
it
correct,
because
that's
the
what
we're
using
so
in
our
sixty.
It
looked
like.
C
There
was
a
limit
to
a
two
hundred
square
foot
garage
on
an
accesory
supplemental
structure.
It
stated
a
storage
struction.
This
is
in
36
point.
Oh
one,
storage
structure,
shelters,
bathhouse
in
detached
garages,
storage
structures,
outdoor
shelter,
sheds,
bath
houses
and
similar
structure
shall
not
exceed
two
hundred
square
feet.
Any
residential
district
is
that
a
correct
guideline
that
we
should
be
looking
at
or
where
are
you
getting
the
higher
I
just
couldn't
find
it.
G
Detached
garage
made
constructing
a
required
rear
yard,
providing
does
not
exceed
20
feet
in
height
no
closer
than
five
feet,
no
closer
to
the
side,
property
line,
the
maximum
size.
The
detached
garage
shall
not
exceed
25
percent
of
the
required
rear
yard.
So
what
they've
got
in
here
is
you
you?
The
way
planning
and
zoning
calculates
that
it
calculates
the
size
of
the
yard
itself
takes
twenty-five
percent
of
that
or
what
the
size
it
can
be.
C
C
G
C
G
H
C
The
other
question
I
have
is
looking
at
being
a
subordinate
structure
and
the
code.
It
says
mass
and
area
and
I
noticed
in
the
analysis.
It
says
subordinate
an
area,
but
you
don't
mention
mass.
So
are
we
not
to
take
into
consideration
the
mass
of
that
building
being
two-story
in
relation
to
a
one-story
structure
in
front
of
it?
Well,.
G
You
can
look
at
that
and
whether
you
look
at
the
size
and
the
mass
it's
both
under
it's
both
subordinate
to
the
main
structure
mass
can
also
be
considered
for
the
height
of
the
structure,
which
is
18
feet.
It's
allowed
to
be
20,
so
if
you
look
at
either
of
those
it
complies
with
the
requirements.
Do.
L
Okay,
as
the
letter
notes,
the
area
that
the
calculation
for
that
backyard
calculation
that
the
city
did
shows
that
I
could
do
425
square
foot
garage
based
on
this
backyard.
Calculation
and
I
pulled
it
way
back
to
336
and
I'm
using
the
AK
same
finishes,
I'm
trying
to
replicate
the
house
as
exactly
as
I,
possibly
can
and
in
thinking
about
the
two-story
vs.
one-story.
L
The
engineer
that
did
my
drawings
for
me
pointed
out
that
I
have
a
pretty
good
sized
crawlspace
in
my
house,
which
is
almost
three
and
a
half
feet
eight-foot
of
ceiling
and
then
with
the
pitch
roof.
I
have
four
feet:
eight
inches
above
so
I'm
at
16
feet,
so
my
one-story
is
16
feet
and
the
2-story
is
going
to
be
18
six,
which
is
two
and
a
half
feet.
L
B
B
B
L
C
K
M
I
do
okay,
my
name
is
Diana
Nicholas
and
I
live
on
2:01
Bay,
Street,
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida,
three,
four,
six,
eight,
nine!
We
are
the
next-door
neighbor.
There
is
a
lot
and
then
there
is
it's
like
a
vacant
lot
with
a
garage
and
then
ourselves
we
are
basically
their
next-door
neighbor.
And
yes,
we
we
we
are
in
support
that
they
would
have
a
garage.
We
understand
the
dilemma
of
not
having
a
garage
as
we
ourselves
do
not
have
a
garage
also
on
our
property.
M
You
will
be
seeing
us
next
month
for
the
same
request,
but
in
in
favor
for
the
Prados
the
I
was
told
we
had
purchased
our
house
back
in
March
and
one
of
the
I
fell
in
love
with
our
house.
But
one
of
the
criteria
was
this:
on
I
told
the
listing
agent
I
said:
listen,
we
love
our.
We
love
this
Craftsman
home.
We
want
to
make
an
offer,
but
there's
one
stipulation
I
need
to
know
my
husband
and
I
need
to
know.
We
can
build
a
garage
on
this
property.
M
Otherwise
we
would
never
purchase
this
house
because
in
today's
living-
and
you
know,
people
have
cars
and
you
need
to
have
a
garage
even
for
resale
value.
It
would
be.
You
know
it's
a
hard
sell,
not
to
have
a
garage.
Well,
the
listing
agent
told
me
she
says.
Of
course
you
can
have
a
she
goes.
You
have
pineapple
street,
you
have
Bay
Street.
We
have
an
alley.
Street,
there's
an
alley
Street
which
this
street
is
designed,
because
it's
a
historic
neighborhood
the
streets
were
cut
very
narrow,
Bay.
H
M
Our
house
is
1917,
it
was
the
days
of
horse
and
buggy
and
they
said
that
they
cannot
bulldoze
all
the
houses
and
widen
the
roads.
So,
in
order
to
rectify
this
problem,
you
have
an
access
road
or
an
alley
Road
to
be
able
to
now
live
in
today's
standards
of
having
a
garage,
8
attached
or
detached.
So
that
was
how
we
proceeded
and
purchased
our
own
house
with
the
Prados.
You
know,
god
bless
them,
they've,
it's
very
hard
for
them,
not
having
a
garage.
You
know
Bay
Street.
M
As
you
know,
it's
cut
very
narrow,
but
you
can
only
park
on
the
opposite
side
of
where
we
live
on
the
even
side
of
Bay
Street.
That's
where
people
can
parallel
park
so
having
first
of
all,
their
property
cannot
have
a
driveway
or
garage
in
the
front.
The
base
street
side-
you
cannot
there's
just
their
property.
Just
does
not
allow
for
that.
M
So
they're
relegated
to
Park
on
the
alley
parallel
now,
of
course,
the
alley
is
perfect
if
you
have,
if
you
want
to
access
your
home
with
your
respective
garage,
but
it's
too
narrow
really
to
park
parallel.
What
happens?
Is
we
have
a
waste
management
comes
through?
We
have
our
neighbors
who
have
their
garages
they're.
You
know
leaving
or
coming
they're
going
through
that
road
and
they
really
do
run
the
risk
of
having
their
cars.
Their
cars.
Sideswiped
I
mean
it's
it's
just
they
have
they.
M
C
F
F
I've
known
the
Prados
almost
since
they
moved
to
tarpon
springs,
I
have
seen
them
take
this
home
and
make
many
many
loving
changes
to
it
as
they
had
purchased
it
as
a
second
home,
and
they
fell
in
love
with
tarpon
springs
in
the
neighborhood
in
the
area
and
they
actually
have
now
sold
from
Orlando
moved
down
there.
Permanent
residents
of
Tarpon
Springs,
but
the
point
is,
is
all
of
the
changes
they've
made
to
that
home
have
continued
to
keep
it
as
a
contributing
structure.
It
has
the
exact
same
character.
It's
it's!
F
What
we
want
to
see
now
they
have
specific
needs
and
there's
a
number
of
ways.
They
could
have
looked
of
changed
that
home
and
from
what
I
have
seen
it's
pretty
easy
for
someone
who
wants
to
take
a
contributing
structure
and
change
it
to
something
different.
There's
ways
to
do
it:
I
mean
I,
sat
on
the
board
and
I've
seen
it
happen
time
and
again,
but
they're
not
doing
that
they're
keeping
the
integrity
of
the
home
they're,
keeping
the
integrity
of
the
way
it
looks
from
the
street,
but
they
have
needs
for
that
structure.
F
C
Anybody
else
from
the
public
wishing
to
speak
and
support
with
the
applicant
like
to
have
a
rebuttal
from
any
of
the
people
that
spoke
in
the
paper.
We
will
move
on
to
anybody
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
application.
Please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
N
Hi
I'm
Kerri
Walsh
I
live
at
two
to
five
pineapple
Street
in
Tarpon.
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
from
where
the
houses
that
share
that
alley
are
and
I
could
tell
you
of
all
the
garages
that
are
back
there.
There's
only
one.
That's
two-story,
because
I
walked
my
dog
down
there.
All
the
time.
I
agree
with
what
this
woman
just
said
about
the
incredible
restoration
that
they've
done
to
the
house.
It's
just
they've
taken,
really
good
care
of
keeping
everything.
N
The
only
problem
I
have
is
that
I
just
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
two-story
and
when
I
sit
on
my
front
porch,
which
is
not
a
good
enough
reason
for
you
to
change
your
mind
but
nicer
to
my
front.
Porch
I
could
see
that
that
property
there
and
I
think
a
2-story
would
then
probably
bring
it
over
to
16
pineapple,
which
is
one
of
the
letters
that
were
written
from
the
gentleman
who
just
bought
it.
N
L
Yes,
as
I
it
out
earlier,
the
peak
of
my
roof
is
16
feet
and
this
is
going
to
be
18
6.
So
in
relationship,
it's
gonna
be
2
point
4,
2,
feet,
4,
inches
higher
and
in
relation
that's
not
putting
a
1-story
next
to
a
two-story
by
the
absolute
definition.
That's
true,
but
the
peak
of
my
roof
is
16
2
versus
18,
6
and
7/16.
For
this
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
mass
is
overwhelming
in
any
way.
B
L
L
B
L
B
B
J
C
B
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
about
the
application
I
like
they're,
using
the
same
material
as
the
house
I
like
that,
using
the
same
pitch
of
the
roof,
as
the
house
I
like
that,
it's
in
the
back
of
the
property
as
an
accessory
structure
ought
to
be
I,
think
they're
very
lucky
that
they
have
an
alley
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
use
the
alley
to
access
it.
B
I
appreciate
the
difference
in
the
heights,
but
honestly
I
have
a
concern
about
a
two-story
building
when,
in
the
entire,
as
an
accessory
structure
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
the
entire
block
of
Bay,
both
sides
of
the
street
there's
only
one
two-story
house,
much
less
a
two-story
accessory
building,
but
I
also
understand
that
everybody.
You
know
we
live
in
the
modern
world
and
we
most
people
want
to
have
a
garage.
So
I
would
like
to
find
a
way
for
him
to
have
a
garage.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
garage.
B
I
just
have
a
problem
with
it
being
a
two-story
garage.
So
if
there's
a
way
for
him
to
make
it
a
one-story
garage
or
half
garage
and
half
office,
you
know
whatever
works.
I
just
I'm
concerned
about
a
two-story
garage.
Does
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
meet
the
same
heights
as
those
immediately
surrounding
the
property,
which
is
condition
number
five
and
then
condition
number
one.
The
height
be
compatible
with
adjacent
interpreting
structures.
That's
Mike.
C
Would
echo
mr.
mee
mr.
Feeny's
comments
that
the
both
properties
on
either
side
have
one
one-story
garages
on
the
entire
alleyway?
There's
one
out
of
nine
I
could
say
ten.
So
really
90%
of
the
garages
are
one
story
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
height
of
two
feet
are
two
stories
is
consistent
with
the
mass
I
would
be
with
the
main
property
structure
on
the
property,
so
I
don't
think
anybody.
It
doesn't
seem
like
any
of
the.
C
C
A
If
this
is
this
is
the
use
of
this
structure,
it
has
dual
uses:
it's
to
store
for
storage
and
for
an
office,
and
even
that
I
mean
I,
live
in
a
flood
zone.
I
have
a
detached
garage
and
I
know
what
it's
like.
Have
your
garage,
blood
and
new
things,
and
it
would
make
sense
because
of
the
flooding
situation
and
the
flooding
possibilities
and
risk
to
not
have
to
move
an
office
every
time
we
have
a
ping
tide
or
something
of
that
nature.
So
if,
as
mr.
E
C
A
E
C
G
As
we
talked
about
it
last
time,
there
were
several
concerns,
I
think,
primarily
that
it
looked
too
modern
and
you
asked
us
to
go
back
and
see
if
we
could
do
something
that
would
look
a
little
bit
more
in
place
with
Craig
Park
and
especially
with
the
bandshell
to
kind
of
mimic
those
those
curves
of
the
van
shell.
So
staff
went
back
and
came
up
with
this
drawing
here.
It's
got
the
curve
on
the
archway.
G
It's
a
20
by
30
foot
structure
would
be
11
feet
at
Center
and
they're
proposing
to
have
the
the
front
pulls
a
little
bit
higher
at
9
feet
and
the
back
pulls
a
little
shorter.
So
it
would
kind
of
be
slanted
up
a
little
bit
giving
you
better
you'd
have
clear
vision
of
anything.
That's
up
on
a
bandshell.
C
G
And
then
the
took
an
aerial
of
where
it
would
be,
so
it
wouldn't
be
on
a
complete
entire,
concrete
area,
but
it
would
be
generally
work
where
it's
found
on
on
the
map.
We
really
are
trying
to
you
know
over
the
years
as
the
events
that
take
place
at
Craig
park.
You
know
4th
of
July
it's
very,
very
hot-
we're
trying
to
get
some
kind
of
a
some
kind
of
shade
there
and
so
we're
trying
to
find
something
that
would
be
approving
to
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board.
G
G
G
G
G
B
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
there's
a
lot
of
shade
in
Creek,
Park
generally
by
the
trees
and
I
think
more
shake.
If
the
goal
is
to
get
more
shade
right
and
running
the
bandshell,
so
that
people
who
are
at
the
bandshell
activities
specifically,
then
you
know
we
could
pay.
You
know
you
can
buy
a
little
bigger
trees
and
put
those
along
the
side,
because
the
obviously
some
of
the
trees
that
we
used
to
be
there
I
think
you
have
come
down.
B
Am
I
I
just
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
the
style
of
this
I?
Don't
think
the
material
of
this?
Is
it
all
conducive
or
connected
to
the
park
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
and
I?
Think
it
would
be
a
huge
disruption
to
the
park
if
every
now
and
then
someone
wanted
to
put
up
a
tent
like
we
all
go
to
events
where
there's
10th,
you
know
that
someone
puts
up
temporarily
for
a
wedding
or
something
like
that.
B
I
understand
that,
but
to
have
this
there
forever
when
I
think
if
shades
our
goal,
there's
a
couple
solutions:
one
planting
new
trees
and
now
that
didn't
solve
the
problem
tomorrow,
but
you
can
buy.
You
know
fast-growing
trees,
number
one
in
bigger
size,
trees,
number
two,
but
the
activity
that
needs
the
shade
somewhere.
Besides
writing.
You
know
not
there's
other
activities
in
Craig
Park
that
use
the
shade.
B
We
all
get
that
July
4th
is
really
hot
and
maybe
that's
an
event
where
you
just
you
know
the
city
uses
at
a
temporary
tent
or
that
weekend
or
that
that
event,
but
I
know
that
when
I
go
to
the
Art
Show
in
April
it
sometimes
it's
warm.
Sometimes
it's
not
too
warm,
but
some
people
are
sitting
in
the
shade.
Listen
to
music
and
some
people
are
sitting
in
the
Sun
in
front
of
a
shop.
B
J
Would
just
say
that
we,
when
we
talked
about
it
last
month,
we
talked
about
a
structure
that
be
removed
and
also
about
a
structure
that
was
maybe
aesthetically
closed.
The
surrounding
areas
don't
think
this
quake
hits
the
mark,
but
I
do
like
the
idea
of
being
able
to
have
some
shade
their
person.
When
someone
is,
you
know,
sitting
there
listening
to
music
I
I
like
the
idea
that
you
had
it
a
little
taller
in
the
front
a
little
shorter
in
the
back.
C
It
just
didn't
think
about
what
I
thought
that
looked
like,
because
I
couldn't
think
of
the
right
word
in
that
meeting
and
I've
been
to
places
that
have
historic
buildings
that
have
a
band
shell
and
and
they've
done
some
sort
of
shade
structure.
I,
don't
think
the
idea
that
being
removable
is
really
feasible
for
a
city
staff
and
storage
when
it
gets
taken
off
and
where
you're
gonna
put
it
and
we
struggle
with
storage
now
in
the
city.
C
It
says
the
accessory
structure
should
follow
the
curve
or
follow
the
you
know
the
lines
or
the
the
building
that,
it's
being
you
know
the
properties
being
placed
on,
and
this
comes
closer,
but
it
still,
it
looks
to
me
like
the
bandshell
as
arts
this
way,
but
then
this
wouldn't
be
arched.
This
way,
it's
a
correct.
It
wouldn't
be
necessary
following
that
arch
out.
C
G
G
Project
administration
department
has
been
looking
at
their
their
group.
That's
tasked
with
lots
of
projects
like
this
that
don't
fall
under
any
one
area,
so
they've
been
looking
at
different
types
of
structures
and
and
from
their
last
discussion
first
one
and
it
looked
like
where
the
fitness
park
is,
it
was
kind
of
modeled,
after
that
it
was
canvas
shape.
G
G
H
C
There
any
discussion,
or
are
they
planning
to
have
a
sound
audit
or
somebody
weigh
in
on
the
structure
that
they
should
get?
That
is
a
sound
engineer
that,
if
we're
talking
about
putting
a
shade
shell,
because
we
want
to
enhance
the
experience
or
those
are
I
still-
we
do
things
sometimes
in
the
city
because
they're
a
good
idea,
but
we
really
then
afterwards
we
go.
Why
didn't
we
think
about
that?
G
G
Because
we
really
want
to,
you
know,
have
some
type
of
shade
there,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
You
go
to
the
events
and
there's
nobody
in
that
middle
area,
and
you
know
in
the
last
meeting
I
had
some
pictures
of
where
it
looked.
I,
don't
know
that
the
trees
could
ever
shade
that
you
know
that
middle
area,
where
people
would
like
to
be
and
would
like
to
sit.
So
we
really
would
like
to
get
something.
So
we
wanted
to
get
your
approval
or
your
ideas,
your
thoughts
before
you're
moving
it
any
further.
Can.
J
B
It's
completely
out
of
scale
with
everything
there
I
think
the
thing
I'm
struggling
with,
maybe
maybe
I'm
picking
up
from
some
of
the
other
commissioners
too
I,
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
solution
where
the
city
can
just
go
to
a
book
of
available,
shade
structures
of
from
manufacturers
which
may
work
in
the
non
historic
part
of
town
or
in
parks.
But
it's
not
gonna
work
here.
In
my
opinion,
you're
gonna
have
to
find
a
reservation
architect
to
design
something.
B
That's
really
going
to
work
and
and
I
think
David's
point
about
reflecting
the
you
know,
making
sure
that
acoustically
it
doesn't.
It
works
because
that's.
Why
happens
at
that
event
a
lot
of
times,
even
if
it
speakers
or
music
or
whatever
so
I,
really
think
you
guys
are
gonna-
have
to
look
for
preservation
architect
to
do
a
custom
solution,
not
just
as
we
would
expect
someone
doing
a
new
addition
to
a
historic
house.
B
So,
maybe
and
there's
a
temporary
solution
on
a
temporary
tent
until
a
real
structure
can
be
designed
that
everybody
be
happy
with
this
board,
the
city
staff
and
everybody
who
goes
to
it,
because
it's
gonna
be
there
for
a
long
long
time,
I
mean
these
structures
have
been
enjoyed
in
craig
park
for
decades,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
it
continues
to
be
enjoyed
for
decades.
So
that's
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
a
little
broader
approach.
B
C
There's
a
reason:
even
the
Romans
have
it
right
that
there's
a
reason
that
amphitheaters
and
acoustical
venues
are
in
the
round
and
the
reason
Tampa
amphitheater
the
shade
structure
around
it.
The
way
it's
designed
in
the
round.
That's
probably
going
to
be
your
sound
engineer.
It's
gonna
recommend
that
I'm
all
for
a
structure,
I,
don't
mind
seeing
a
structure
there,
but
it
this
has
the
opportunity
to
be
a
something.
That's
painted
photographed
becomes
part
of
the
sight
lines
of
that
park
from
the
road
from
anything.
It's
really
important
to
get
it
right.
A
I,
don't
know
this
could
be
considered
or
not,
but
how
about
making
it
a
green
type
of
shelter?
Maybe
with
you
know
the
trellis
and
then,
like
you
said
mr.
Paris
said
about
you,
know
fast-growing
trees.
Well,
you
know,
surely
there's
I
don't
know.
I'm
gonna
use
the
example
of
confederate
jasmine,
but
there
are
many
vines
that
we
could
make
it
more
like
an
arboretum
and
something
that
would
not
be
removable,
but
it
would
be
pleasant
to
the
eye.
It
would
be
acoustically
appealing
and.
B
E
Very
creative
and
a
very
appropriate
thought
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
and
I
would
like
to
see
and
it's
an
it's
an
investment
in
time
and
certainly
a
lot
of
money,
and
you
brought
up
the
cost
which
we
don't
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost.
But
we
would
assume
that
if
we're
gonna
do
it
halfway.
Well,
it's
gonna
cost
a
lot
of
money,
so
I
think
it
is.
We
do
need
to
approach
the
opportunity
with
a
lot
of
thought
and
not
just
put
a
bandaid
on
a
an
issue.
E
E
G
C
C
B
One
more
point:
I
think
we
need
to
move
away
from
this
deal,
I
mean
there's,
there's
no
steel
in
any
of
those
buildings,
so
they're
concrete
block.
So
maybe
the
columns
need
to
be
concrete
block.
You
know
if
it's
a
mesh
underneath
that
I'm
not
really
sure
what
the
material
would
be,
that
the
vines
would
grow
on.
But
that's
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
we
need
to
get
the
materials
need
to
be
the
same
as
the
materials
of
those
buildings
that
are
there
and
I.
B
Imagine
that
we
had
a
good
preservation
architect
to
go
and
look
at
those
buildings.
I.
Imagine
there's
a
motif
that
they
could
pick
up
from
the
buildings
that
they
could
use
in
designing
the
columns
that
would
make
the
connection
between
the
bandshell
and
the
tourist
Club
I
can't
think
of
it
right
now,
but
I'm
sure
there's
something
out
there
that
a
good
creative
architect,
you
think
of
and
then
pick
up
miss
pages
idea
about
the
you
know
making
it
a
more
green.
Have
some
green
aspect
that.
G
G
H
G
H
A
Yes,
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
public
comment
that
was
made
regarding
signage
and
go
back
to
what
mr.
Bolton
has
been
bringing
up
about
new
residents
coming
into
the
historic
district
and
not
being
informed
by
their
realtor
or
whomever,
but
they
are
in
a
historic
district
and
do
have
certain
guidelines.
A
I
think
that
the
signage
would
help
speak
to
that.
We
even
had
another
comment
this
evening
from
a
couple
who
explained
what
they
were
told
by
their
realtor
about
building
a
detached
garage.
So
the
signage
thing
I
think
would
help
to
not
eliminate
it,
but
it
would
really
help
to
address
those
concerns
that
we
have
been.
It's
been
an
ongoing
concern
of
this
board
mm-hmm.
J
E
G
H
G
H
B
One's
a
question
and
one's
a
comment:
I
before
I
came
out
to
this
board.
I
received
notice
of
an
agenda
item
actually
was
53
West
tarpon.
It
was
the
office
building.
They
wanted
to
put
a
ramp
in
front
of
I
guess
it
was
your
last
meeting
when
it
went
on
a
couple
months,
but
I
noticed
in
those
postcards
and
I
kept
him
nowhere
on
the
postcards.
Does
it
have
the
address
and,
quite
frankly,
I
live
I
mean
obviously
was
in
the
notice
area.
I
know
the
area.
B
I
wasn't
sure
what
it
was
until
I
went
onto
the
property
appraisers
website
to
figure
out
I
counted.
You
know,
looked
on
the
property
appraiser
matched
it
up
with
the
map
to
figure
out
which
sites
was
so
I'm,
hoping
that
that
was
just
an
aberrant
here,
I'll
pass
one
down,
she
can
see
it,
hoping
that
was
just
an
aberration
and
most
of
them
do
have
an
address,
but
if
they
don't
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
putting
the
address
on
the
notice.
So
maybe
maybe
the
I
got
three.
No.
B
You
can
keep
that
one
that
was
I
got
three
notices,
because
there
were
three
different
hearings
for
that
site
and
none
of
them
had
an
address
on
it
and
then
the
other
thing
is
a
question.
I
read
in
the
paper,
I'm
sure
you
all
have
to
about
a
lot
of
major
work
being
done
or
proposed
to
be
done
on
Old
City
Hall
and
did
that
Old
City,
Hall
restoration
renovation
come
to
this
board.
H
B
I,
just
I
was
just
curious,
I
thought,
maybe
I
missed
it,
but
I
was
just
you
know,
and
we
all
know
public
buildings
plus
private
go
through
the
board's
review
and
I
kept
seeing
these
articles
about
all
the
work
being
done
and
I
just
didn't.
Remember
seeing
it
on
the
agenda.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
question.
I.
G
Think
it
hasn't
started
yet
they
after
the
new
budget
here
I
think
they
were
waiting
for
I
know
there.
There
was
one
meeting
where
somebody
came
up
and
talked
about
that
it
looked
bad
and
responses.
What
we're
gonna
be.
We've
got
money
in
the
next
budget
to
do
it,
so
it's
probably
something
that
we'll
be
seeing
coming
up
because
I
know
this
building
came
to
HK,
B
or
the
window.
Isn't
everything
so.
H
B
C
A
second
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
in
January
we'll
be
electing
a
new
chairman
and
vice
chair
or
chairwoman,
whatever
we
want
to
say
it.
So
this
is
a
great
board
to
serve
in
that
everything.
You
need.
It's
a
safe
board
to
be
wet
and
serve
in
a
leadership
position,
so
be
thinking
about
that
when
you
get
nominated,
I
have
a
question
about
this:
being
the
correct
venue
for
public
comments
to
bring
up
violations
or
to
bring
up
weird.
Where
should
we
be
directing
people
to
somebody?
C
You
know
they
call
me
and
think
that
they're
gonna
report
to
me,
o3o
to
South
Spring,
is
doing
this.
I,
don't
want
to
seem
that
I'm
not
because
I
care,
but
I'm,
not
a
boy
I'm,
not
enforcement,
I,
don't
I!
You
know
other
duties
outside
of
this
board
and
I.
Don't
at
that
time.
Where
do
they
go
to
make
that
complaint?
Is
it
to
where
do
they
go?
Where
do
we
direct
them?
Well,.
C
G
We
can
check
with
the
building
department
if
they've
got
a
permit
and
because
again
like,
given
the
comment
that
the
one
woman
said.
Sometimes
there
are,
as
you
know,
there's
a
checklist
of
things
that
can
be
approved
by
staff
and
approved
by
HPB
and
depends
if
it's
a
contributor
and
a
contributing
structure,
so
somebody
might
be
repairing
a
roof
and
it
was
with
the
same
I'm
not
going
to
be
instruction
if
he's
doing
being
done
with
the
same
materials.
G
So
we've
said
it's
okay,
but
something
else
might
not
know
that
if
you
see
work
being
done
without
a
permit,
you
know
they
should
have
a
permit
as
well.
You
know
that
that's
the
building
department,
but
if
it's
in
the
historic
district
and
you
see
windows
or
doors
or
things
being
done
just
you
know,
have
them
call
Planning
and
Zoning
we'll
take
a
look
at
it
and.