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From YouTube: Heritage Preservatio Board October 1, 2018
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A
It's
now
6:30
on
October
1st
I
like
to
call
to
order
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
of
October
1st
2018.
First
of
all,
would
everyone
who's
here?
Please
turn
your
phones
to
silent
staff
board
members
audience.
Thank
you
so
much
then
I'd
like
that.
We'll
start
it
Kim's
in.
If
you
just
introduce
yourself,
please
Kimberly.
A
E
A
A
F
A
A
A
A
D
And
please
excuse
me,
my
lost
my
voice
over
the
weekend,
so
this
is
a
Quadra
judicial
proceeding
where
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law.
Those
are
even
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
D
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
of
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
of
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
if
they
competent
substantially
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
the
applicant
is
met.
D
The
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Orden
says
then
boards
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
coda
warden
TSA's.
Then
the
boards
are
by
law
defined
against
the
applicant.
There
are
any
members
of
the
board
tonight
wish
to
disclose
any
ex
parte
communication
or
conflicts
of
interest.
Well,
anyone
stay
up
speaking
tonight
all
applicants
or
anyone
giving
to
any
testimony.
Please
stand
to
be
sworn
in.
D
D
A
G
G
At
this
time,
the
staff
has
reviewed
this
application
and
finds
that
there's
been
substantial
deterioration
of
the
structure
the
at
this
time.
The
applicant
is
in
the
code
enforcement
process
because
the
structure
has
been
deemed
by
the
code
enforcement
division
to
be
dilapidated
as
a
result
of
that
staff
is
recommending
demolition
of
the
structure,
recognizing
that
there
are
other
examples
that
are
probably
better
examples
of
contributing
secondary
structures
in
the
district
that
have
been
maintained
at
this
time.
This
structure
has
a
lot
of
deterioration.
G
The
doors
and
the
windows
are
missing
their
plight,
where
they're
covered
with
plywood
to
keep
it
at
least
secure
and
there's
a
lot
of
deterioration
of
the
roof
structure.
It's
rusted
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
lien
to
the
wood
to
the
to
the
structure
itself
like
it's
going
to
fall
and
there
is
missing
boards
throughout
the
the
exterior
of
the
fabric
of
the
building.
A
A
Your
mind,
a
little
sure,
never
trouble
hear
me
sorry
about
that
better.
As
you
please
come
to
the
to
the
microphone
as
you're
coming
I'll
just
mention
them.
We
do
operate
somewhat
informally.
We
want
you
to
there's
no
time
limit
on
how
long
you
want
to
tell
us
anything.
You
want
to
tell
us
about
your
application,
and
we
do
ask,
though,
that
you
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
because
we
do
are
required
to
keep
a
good
record
of
these
meetings.
A
I
H
A
Well
that,
if
the,
if
the
approval
by
this
board
is
approved,
there
generally
is
a
time
frame
and
the
staff
has
recommended
three
years.
I
personally
would
like
to
have
a
shorter
time
period
on
that
and
then
I,
don't
really
know
that
the
time
frames
of
your
code
enforcement
issue,
you
need
to
check
that
with
code
enforcement
as
to
what
your
time
frame
is.
H
A
J
A
H
A
A
These
garages
are
there's
garages,
there's
other
outbuildings,
there's
garage
apartments
all
over
the
historic
district
and
they
really
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
district.
And
so
not
only
am
I
concerned
about
losing
a
garage,
although
there
are
others,
I
will
certainly
admit,
but
it's
the
group
of
them
that
creates
a
synergy
that
creates
that
character.
Now
that
you
tell
me,
the
house
is
vacant,
I
am
doubly
concerned,
and
maybe
you
can
reassure
me
that
we're
not
gonna.
Have
you
guys
coming
back
and
asking
to
demolish
out?
Oh
no.
H
A
My
only
other
suggestion
is
I
personally
mock.
My
supported
demolition,
I,
think
it's
demolition
by
neglect
and
I'm
not
going
to
set
a
precedent
to
do
that
for
me
personally,
I,
don't
think
it
meets
the
criteria,
but
if
you
all
do
move
to
approve
it,
I
would
suggest
that
we,
instead
of
making
it
valid
for
three
years,
that
we
shorten
that
time
period
up
so
that
there's
an
incentive
to
the
applicant
to
you
know
do
what
they
need
to
do.
A
A
H
G
Can
somewhat
address
that
that
will
be
that
would
actually
be
purview
of
the
code
enforcement
board.
They
would
determine
that
as
part
of
the
violation
process
right
now,
based
on
this
application,
there's
a
stay
of
those
proceedings
until
this
applica
the
situation
is
decided.
Should
you
choose
to
actually
choose
to
allow
them
to
demolish
that
they
have
to
go
through
the
permit
process.
So
there's
there's
some
steps
they
have
to
take.
Should
you
choose
to
not
let
them
and
demolish
it?
G
There
are
again
some
steps
that
they're
going
to
have
to
take
so
as
a
result,
those
proceedings
would
ultimately
that
will
grow.
That
will
happen
after
this
will
ultimately
determine
what
that
time
frame
is
as
far
as
that's
I
think
now,
if
you
set
a
time
frame,
that
is
different.
Obviously,
that
board
will
be
made
aware
of
that
time
frame
as
well,
so
that
they
so
that
they
can
perform
their
duties
as
well
inside
that
time
frame.
Thank.
A
G
It
usually
depends
on
whether
or
not
it's
an
owner
of
a
property.
That's
going
to
be
living
on
that
property
in
perpetuity.
Given
the
situation,
I,
don't
know
that
it
would
qualify
as
an
owner
for
an
owner
to
get
this.
In
this
case,
they
probably
are
going
to
have
to
have
a
contractor,
but
that's
something
that
the
building
official
would
ultimately
make
the
call
on
would.
G
Because
of
the
situation
where
they're
not
living
on
the
property,
usually
in
order
to
do
things
by
as
a
homeowner,
you
have
to
live
on
the
property
for
so
long
and
ultimately
the
whether
or
not
they
need
a
contractor
or
not,
is
something
that
the
building
official
would
determine.
So
he
would
say:
yes,
you
can
do
it
as
a
as
an
owner
or
no,
you
would
need
to
get
a
contractor.
He
will
make
that
final.
All.
H
H
A
In
my
opinion,
I
and
I'm-
not
I'm,
not
a
contractor
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record
I'm
personally,
not
a
contractor,
but
I've
done
a
lot
of
renovation
work
and
for
a
one-story
wood
garage.
It
seems
really
high,
but
I
didn't
I'm.
Sorry,
but
I
don't
see
that
what
I
saw
that
you
had
from
the
contractor
was
a
letter.
H
I
A
A
C
C
A
Under
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
most
of
these
criteria
in
the
staff
report
they
lit.
She
does
list
the
criteria
for
a
demolition
permit,
which
is
slightly
different
than
for
a
renovation
certificate
of
her
penis.
So
on
page
one,
it
starts
with
we're
supposed
to
consider
the
historic,
architectural
cultural
significance
of
the
building
I'm.
Clearly
it
is
a
contributing
structure.
It's
not
what
is
they're
contributing
up
yeah
the
garages
are
contributing,
so
that's
the
highest
level
contributing
to
the
district.
The
house
itself,
which
we're
not
talking
about,
is
contributing
altered.
A
The
importance
number
two,
it's
kind
of
struck
me
the
importance
of
the
building
to
the
ambience
of
the
district
and
the
patterns
of
Landy's.
Traditionally,
we've
had
garages
one-story,
grudge's
two-story
garage
apartments
throughout
the
district,
and
it
really
does
add
a
lot
to
the
ambience
there's
also
outbuildings
I
think
that
Greeks
with
Pelham
camera
Emma
Rockies,
it's
like
a
outbuilding,
a
little
living
area,
which
is
this
is
not
that,
of
course,
we
don't
know
that
cuz
we
haven't
been
inside
number
three
difficulty
of
reproducing
it
I,
don't
think.
That's
the
issue.
A
I
think
the
materials
there
are
pretty
much
wood
materials
that
could
be
easily
obtainable.
It's
clearly
not
the
last
remaining
example:
I,
don't
not
suggesting
that
it's
one
of
others,
number
five
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
that
criteria
is
supposed
to
mean
feature
utilization
of
the
site,
still
gonna
be
residential.
So
you
would
you
know
a
lot
of
folks
do
like
having
that
garage.
Number
six
reasonable
measures
can
be
taken.
I,
don't
think
we
really
know
the
answer
to
that,
because
we
didn't
have
a
real
analysis
of
okay.
A
What's
that,
there's
some
cost
to
demolish
a
building.
There's
gonna
be
some
cost
to
renovate.
Well,
we
don't
have
the
two
costs
to
be
able
to
say
whether
it's
reasonable
or
not,
but
we
asked
if
we
could
whole
thing
you'll
be
able
to
make
that
decision,
whether
it's
capable
of
earning
an
economic
return.
This
would
mostly
be
for
buildings
that
are
rented.
A
You
know
a
commercial
building
or
an
apartment,
or
something
like
that.
So
I,
don't
think
number
seven
necessarily
applies
in
this
case,
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
trying
to
say
that
this
is.
You
know
the
individually,
the
most
important
building
in
the
historic
district,
but
the
reason
we
have
a
district
is
that
it's
the
group,
it's
it's
the
it's
the
combination
of
all
of
these
buildings
together
and
the
fact
that
you
know
it
looks
kind
of
looks
like
demolition.
You.
E
A
D
Chair
can
I
clarify
one
thing,
I'm
just
I
know
in
the
staff
report
I
believe
it
was
said
that
the
staff
recommends
this.
If
you
do
choose
to
approve
it,
there's
a
different
approval
be
three
years.
That's
it's
not
just
staff
ignition.
It's
based
on
your
code
that
a
certificate
of
approval
would
be
valid
for
three
years,
but.
A
I
think
it
used
to
be
one
year
and
that
need
to
be
too
short,
and
so
lots
of
cases
were
coming
back
through,
as
I
recall,
so
I
mean
generally
I.
Think
four
years
is
kind
of
a
good
time
period,
but
if
there's
an
interest
in
kind
of
moving
this
forward
and
making
you
know
progress
with
the
app
and
the
other
option,
like
you
mentioned,
is
you
could
ask
them
to
provide
information
about?
C
A
D
A
A
I
think
you
can
see,
there's
some
interest
by
the
board
and
having
some
more
information
about
cost
to
demolish
the
building
versus
the
cost,
to
repair
it
replace
the
wooden
boards
replace
the
windows.
Would
you
all
be
interested
in
in
letting
us
continue
that
case
that
you
could
get
that
information
or
yeah.
H
A
G
Something
I'd
have
to
talk
to
the
code
enforcement
officer
about
I
mean
if
you
want
to
a
to
provide
the
additional
information
to
this
board.
That's
certainly
something
that
I
can
relate
to
him.
I
can
make
no
guarantees
on
that,
but
I
would
I
would
assume
that
they
would
defer
to
this
to
this
board.
You
know
in
your
next
hearing
if
it's
gonna
be
next
month
or
whenever
it's
going
to
be
I
would
assume
that
you're
planning
on
giving
her
a
month
is
that
correct
I
would.
G
A
H
I
G
H
A
A
Going
estimates
is
the
demolition
of
the
garage.
I
was
pairing
it
up
to
its
historic
character
or
demolishing
it,
because
clearly,
there's
there's
cost
to
both
rain
and
I.
Think
that's
the
comparison
that
were
that
we're
looking
for
okay
and
I
would
suggest
that,
maybe
just
for
your
own
benefit
that
that
you
talked
to
the
building
department
and
find
out
whether
or
not
what
kind
of
a
contractor
has
to
issue
you
know
be
issued
the
demolition
permit.
Clearly,
we
know
that
a
renovation
permit
has
to
be
a
contractor,
but
I
would
just
satisfy
myself.
A
A
Then
we
would
write,
so
the
idea
would
be
that
she
would
never
get
these
two
estimates
come
back
on
the
disk
for
the
December
3rd
agenda.
It
would
be
an
argent,
a
packet,
the
new
information,
and
then
we
would
consider
that
information
again
I
mean
consider
the
application,
but
with
the
new
information
I
thought.
D
A
J
Yes,
my
question
is
I,
gives
you
give
your
name
again
for
the
record
Bella
Deniz
hurtis
Thank
You?
Mr.
my
question
is
the
garage
never
had
windows
the
frames
with
the
glass
and
it
never
had
real
doors?
It
was
just
cutouts
where
the
windows
were
and
where
the
doors
were.
If
we
have
to
replace
that,
are
we
talking
about
having
to
go
in
and
reframe
for
windows
and
a
reframe
for
a
door
I'm.
J
A
I
think
it's
really
difficult
of
us
to
answer
that
question
without
being
on
the
site
and
I
think
you
need
to
try
and
get
your
contractor
to
figure
out.
If,
if
there
were,
it
was
glass
in
the
windows
and
what
kind
of
a
door
was
there
I
mean?
Are
you
saying
that
I
mean
had
it
been
a
garage
door
right
for
the
car
to
go
in?
Do
it's
not
for
a
car.
A
A
Imagine
about
would
have
been
built
without
it
typically
would
have
had
some
kind
of
door
may
not
have.
It
may
not
be
evident
right
now
today,
where
it
sits,
but
I
would
mean
that
your
contractor
and
do
contractor
understands
old
buildings
should
be
able
to
figure
out.
Yes,
there
definitely
was
an
opening
here
and
here's
where
the
door
that
people
walked
in
as
they
you
know,
stored
their
boxes
and
whether
there
were
windows
or
not.
If
the
windows
were,
you
know,
the
side
of
the
building
was
just
cut
open
later.
A
That
could
be
either
then
everywhere
with
it,
but
it's
not
for
us
to
decide
whether
that
is
the
fact
that
I
would.
You
actually
talked
to
the
contractor
when
he
comes
out
and
trying
to
figure
that
out,
because
that'll
be
part
of
his
analysis
as
to
what
the
cost
to
repair
is,
if
you're,
just
repairing
the
rotted
wood
and
putting
in
a
new
door
for
people
to
walk
in
and
out,
that's
you
know,
one
set
of
paths,
there's
windows
and
he's
going
to
add.
A
A
E
A
D
Can
vote
against
emotion,
however,
the
way
I
interpret
your
procedure
is
the
applicant
is
the
only
one
that
can
decide
that
they
want
to
continue
it
and
they
have
I
really
don't
think
you
need
the
motion,
but
for
the
record
you
can
if
that
makes
sense.
So,
yes,
you
can
vote
against
the
motion,
but
but.
A
D
A
G
Essentially,
this
is
not
the
original
roof
for
the
home.
It's
on
a
historic
home.
This
is
a
replacement
holistically
of
the
fabric
of
that
roof.
At
this
time,
it's
consistent
with
several
of
the
other
craftsmen
style
homes
in
the
area
that
have
had
metal
roofs
were
placed
on
them.
As
a
result,
there
there's
no
change
to
the
rafter
style
or
any
of
the
other
defining
fixtures
of
the
roof
material.
It's
just
literally.
A
A
D
I
G
Contributing
structure
it
has
a
non
historic
roof
on
it
and
that
material
is
a
composite
shingle
that
is
being
removed
and
being
replaced
with
a
metal
roof.
The
historic
home
is
there
all
of
the
historic
features
of
the
roofing
and
the
rafter
tails
are
being
are
being
retained.
The
only
change
is
the
exterior
fabric
of
the
roof
will
be
no
longer
composite
shingle,
it
will
be
metal,
roof.
I'm.
A
A
C
A
We
know
in
the
past
we
we
have
approved
metal,
roofs,
I,
don't
think
that's
the
issue.
I
mean
it's
not
for
me
and
I
hate
to
hold
somebody
up,
especially
if
they're
not
changing
the
structure
of
the
roof,
but
I
really
think
they
need
to
give
us
a
picture
of
the
material.
A
cut
sheet
or
something
of
the
roof
I
mean
and
or
bring
it
to
the
meeting,
and
they
did
neither
yeah
I
know
what
you
guys
guys
feel
comfortable
moving
it
forward
and
I.
C
A
A
I
mean
I
hate
to
do
that,
because
I
would
like
to
make
it
simple
and
like
to
make
it
so
they
can
bring
the
material
to
our
next
meeting
whatever
next
month.
November's
meeting
or
provided
to
the
provided
to
put
in
our
packet
I'm
happy
to
I
personally
will
take
a
touch
either.
You
guys
happy
with
that,
or
you
want
to
say
that
again
a
cut
sheet,
you
know
of
a
sent
a
sample
from
the
roofer.
It.
E
E
C
D
A
I
E
A
A
A
Is
there
a
reason
why
we
could,
since
we
don't
have
the
applicant
here,
but
we
have
an
incomplete
application,
I
think
the
consensus
of
the
board
is
to
continue
it
to
allow
the
applicant
to
make
it
complete
with
either
a
sample
brought
to
the
meeting
or
a
manufacturer's
I
call
it
a
cut
sheet.
That's
not
the
right
term
sample
sheet
of
the
material
to
be
used
submitted,
submit
that
to
the
staff
so
that
it
we
could
review
it.
Then
it
I.
Remember
me
I.
C
C
A
A
G
G
Really.
It
started
as
just
adding
a
second
bathroom
on
the
second
floor
and,
as
renovations,
sometimes
do
they've
kind
of
gone
through
a
couple
different
iterations.
This
is
I
hope.
The
last
iteration,
where
we've
now
kind
of
settled
on
with
at
your
last
meeting
I'm
on
this
I
believe,
was
June
of
this
year,
where
you
guys
talked
about
the
upstairs
and
what
that,
what
that
actual
renovation
space
will
actually
look
at,
and
you
approve
that
they're
satisfied
with
that.
What
they
would
really
like
to
discuss
tonight
is
really
just
the
windows
itself.
G
They
had
asked
for
triple
windows
across
and
now
what
they've
like
to
do
is
is
change
that
and
look
for
single
windows,
which
is
explained
in
your
staff
report.
What
they're
looking
to
do
on
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor,
they're
looking
to
match
the
windows.
Now
the
opening
sizes
are
a
little
bit
different
on
the
lower
level
and
a
little
bit
smaller
on
one
of
the
sides
on
the
upper
level
and
that's
called
out
in
the
materials
that
have
been
provided.
I
can
have
the
applicant
come
up
she's
here
tonight.
G
G
A
L
So
we
do
not
want
all
those
windows
in
our
bathroom,
so
we
have
less
windows.
What
we're
asking
for
is
two
small
ones.
One
will
be
in
the
shower.
We
don't
want
it
large
and
the
other
one
there's
one
behind
the
toilet
above
the
toilet.
That
would
be
small
on
the
other
side
downstairs,
there's
a
small
window,
but
I
think
that
was
there
and
originally
I.
Think
the
downstairs
is
the
same
as
as
far
as
I
know,.
L
L
G
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Just
a
thought:
I
got
a
call
today.
Maybe
some
of
y'all
did
from
Kim
asking
just
checking
that
I
was
going
to
be
here
today
and
I
noticed
when
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
email
that
I
McNeese
sent
out
and
she
separated
in
the
email
board.
Member,
please
respond.
So
when
you
essentially
get
that,
maybe
just
you
know,
do
a
quick
email
back
that
yep
you'll
be
there
or
no.
You
have
a
conflict,
something
just
so
that
she
knows
that
we
have
a
forum.
You
know
we
understand.