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From YouTube: Heritage Preservation Board August 5, 2019
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This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
E
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
E
E
A
F
I
just
want
to
reiterate
this:
some
application
is
for
mr.
Bell's
Parker
and
he
is
the
applicant
for
this.
This
item
testimony
was
heard
at
the
April
1st
HPB
meeting
and
at
the
May
6th
HPB
meeting.
The
item
was
was
continued
from
April
1st
to
the
date
certain
of
May
6th.
At
that
time
the
applicant
had
revised
the
project
and
asked
for
a
continuance
to
June
3rd.
There
was
no.
The
item
was
not
heard
on
June
3rd.
F
E
E
Any
members
of
the
board
who
were
not
at
that
meeting
cannot
participate
unless
they
have
read
the
transcript
or
watched
the
video
of
the
prior
proceedings,
so
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
or
anyone
that
wasn't
there,
that
they
that
the
members
of
this
board
have
had
a
chance
to
review
that
transcript
or
watch
those
videos
prior
to
proceed.
So
have
you
yes,.
A
E
C
Okay,
my
name
is
Bill
Sprecher
I
live
it
up,
4:05
West,
lemon
Street
and
this
application
is
for
addition
of
a
porch.
At
the
last
meeting,
we
decided
to
change
the
scale
and
change
some
more
things
on
it
to
reduce
the
size
and
I
was
asked
to
bring
in
some
drawings
to
reflect
this,
and
that's
why
I've
got
so.
I'm
gonna
go
with
those.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
anything,
let
me
know:
okay,
okay,.
C
As
you
can
see,
we
brought
it
in
about
a
foot
and
a
half
on
each
side.
We
don't
want
to
bring
it
in
any
further
because
it's
going
to
interfere
with
the
windows.
So
what
it
is
now
is
around
28
foot
long.
You
know
across
the
front.
Okay,
as
you
can
tell,
the
gable
has
been
retained.
The
sides
and
the
corners
of
the
house,
which
has
the
corner
boards,
are
retained
and
you'll
see
on
the
next
one.
Let's
see
what's
retained.
Also,
is
the
eave
returned?
That's
right
in
the
base
of
the
roof.
C
Now
it
was
originally
thinking
to
be
ten-foot
but
reduced
it
to
8-foot
that's
about
as
low
as
we
want
to
go
without
a
railing
for
safety,
safe
mainly,
you
know
most
of
the
torches
in
this
area
or
around
a
foot
deep
though
it's
consistent
with
the
area.
Now,
on
this
view,
you
can
tell
it's
a
simple
roof
line
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
a
lot
of
the
in
well
you'll.
Be
able
to
see
that
from
the
house
a
lot
better
happen
to
know
or
a
porch
and
without
the
railings.
That's
another
thing
we
did.
C
C
C
Another
thing
that
was
in
the
package,
I-
don't
have
a
slide
of.
It
was
a
list
of
materials,
we're
gonna
use.
Essentially
it's
all-natural,
it's
gonna,
be
all
wood.
Decking
is
1
by
2pi
or
1
by
3
pine
beams
be
the
deck
beams
would
be
about
two
by
eights.
Fine
again,
rafters
will
be
two
by
sixes
pine
roof.
Decking
would
be
half
inch
plywood
and
you
can
go
on
through
that.
C
A
I
have
a
comment
and
then
a
question
actually
for
staff.
First
of
all,
I
certainly
want
to
recognize
you
bill
for
the
concerted
effort
that
you've
made
to
simplify
the
structure
and
to
attempt
to
make
it
compatible
with
a
minimal
traditional
style,
which
is
the
style
of
the
house.
However,
I'm
having
problems
with
criteria
wanted
the
land
development
code,
it
states
that
the
structure
shall
be
consistent
with
those
structures
of
similar
character
and
architectural
style
found
throughout
the
immediate
neighbourhood
or
the
district
mmm-hmm.
C
A
Your
application
describes
a
roughly
224
square
foot
open
court
when
I
look
at
the
open
porches
on
all
of
the
other
contributing
minimal
traditional
style
homes.
The
staff
provided
in
the
package
using
the
property
appraisers
website
data,
the
open,
porches
range
from
18
square
feet
to
96
square
feet,
an
average
of
37
square
feet.
So
I've
looked
at
the
land
development
code,
definition
of
consistent,
and
that
says
the
proposed
alterations
of
a
contributing
structure
is
appropriate
and
compatible
with
proportion.
F
F
Google
Earth
photos
of
those
structures,
so
you
could
see
the
range
of
what's
out
there.
This
one
would
be
larger
than
many
of
them.
It's
basically,
you
know
at
that
point.
We
obviously
don't
you
know,
restrict
people
to
a
certain
size
that
the
other
neighboring
structures
may
have.
As
a
rule.
It's
kind
of
a
judgment
call
as
to
how
much
you
know
if,
if
at
all
that
this
would
interfere
with
them
in
a
more
traditional
style.
As
you
know,
your
guidelines
don't
have
any
guidance
on
minimal
traditional,
so
you
have
to
find
it
elsewhere.
F
Once
you
go
outside
the
guidelines,
I
mean
there.
There
are,
obviously
you
can
find
lots
of
things
online
or
whatever
documents
that
talk
about
that
style.
In
the
absence
of
specifics,
this
one's
kind
of
a
borderline
one
we
felt
that
it
didn't
interfere
with
the
style
enough
to
to
do
a
denial
on
it
again.
F
G
F
A
D
Think
when
the
guidelines
I'd
say
that
other
structures
have
been
a
certain
number
of
feet,
and
nowhere
does
it
say
relative
to
the
size
of
the
facade
of
the
house,
I
mean
they
that
should
be
taken
into
consideration.
The
broader
the
face
of
the
house,
the
broader
the
porch
to
be
attractive
and
pleasing
to
the
eye,
so
that
there's
a
certain
leeway
that
needs
to
be
given
when
you
say
that
some
dimensions
are
just
between
8
and
19.
A
Ok,
so
the
land
development.
Well,
let
me
start
with
the
land
development
code
says
that
a
structure
shall
be
consistent
with
those
structures
of
similar
character
and
architectural
style,
which
is
the
minimal
traditional
style
found
throughout
the
immediate
neighborhood
or
the
district.
And
so
then
I
looked
up
what
consistent
means
in
the
land
development
code-
and
that
says
the
proposed
alterations
of
a
contributing
structure
is
proportional,
is
appropriate
and
compatible
with
proportion.
A
A
I
I'm,
listen
to
the
criteria
and
rebuttals,
etc,
etc,
and
it
really
comes
down
to
since
Bill
and
Maria
have
fulfilled
the
requirement
legally.
It's
a
matter
of
subjectivity
that
you
folks
are
looking
at
this
house,
in
my
opinion,
needs
a
porch
and,
as
was
presented,
a
short
small
porch
would
look
how
to
place.
There
is
about
five
houses
down
a
house
with
a
porch
on
it
and
it's
a
good
sized
porch,
maybe
not
to
the
same
square
footage
as
what
Bill
and
Maria
want,
but
it's
substantial
porch.
A
J
J
J
B
F
Yes-
and
this
is
placement
of
a
new
deck
on
an
existing
contributing
property
that
is
of
Craftsman
style
and
wood
frame
construction.
This
is
an
addition
of
a
deck
on
the
south
side
of
the
residence
and
with
respect
to
your
review
criteria.
This
is
a
low
to
the
ground
deck
about
one
and
a
half
feet
above
grade.
It's
has
a
railing
that
rises
to
about
33
inches.
The
deck
is
being
added
to
the
one-story
hips
roof.
F
This
this
use
is
really
associated
more
with
the
yard.
Then,
with
that
main
original
structure,
it's
clearly
a
backyard
kind
of
amenity
and
with
the
open
yard
it
doesn't
seem
to
interfere
with
the
original
structure
at
all,
I
did
the
applicant
provided
in
your
packet.
A
photo
of
the
material
I
went
in
added
a
photo
of
the
deck
itself.
This
was
some
started
without
benefit
of
building
permit.
The
the
applicant
is,
does
have
a
building
permit
application
in
in
the
house,
so,
depending
on
the
outcome
tonight
can
proceed
forward
to
pull
that
permit.
F
So
I
was
able
to
take
the
photo
so
I
added
that
the
deck
does
conform
with
the
land
development
code,
and
it's
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
staff
is
wrecking
the
recommending
approval
of
the
application
requesting
to
place
a
new
deck
at
this
contributing
property.
This
application
was
publicly
noticed
and
there
were
no
responses
to
the
notices.
Are
there
any
question.
G
K
F
L
F
D
G
C
D
A
A
F
This
was
to
replace
and
a
garage
door
and
a
contributing
structure.
The
main
building
is
of
masonry
vernacular
style
and
this
garage
doors
at
the
front
of
the
residence.
The
applicant
wishes
to
replace
the
existing
wood
garage
door
installed
installed
around
1980
with
a
new
metal
garage
door.
It's
proposed
to
go
into
the
same
size
and
same
configuration
as
the
previous
door
with
no
changes
to
the
dimensions.
F
This
garage
door
is
on
the
1960s
era,
flat
roof
edition
noted
on
your
master
site
file
form
and
the
garage
door
has
been
removed
and
I
included.
On
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
pictures
of
what
the
garage
door
may
have
looked
like
from
Google,
Street,
View
and
you'll
notice
on
your
master
site
file.
Form
picture
at
that
same
doors
is
basically
in
that
picture.
It's
a
little
harder
to
see.
It
was
a
wooden
door
with
like
a
picture
frame
kind
of
overlay.
F
The
applicant
proposes
to
essentially
replicate
the
door
pattern,
but
it
will
be
a
metal
door
so
there
by
bringing
it
to
this
board.
As
far
as
the
change
in
materials,
the
only
other
thing
I
mentioned
the
wood.
The
residents
as
mentioned
is
masonry
and
stucco.
The
master
site
file
form
does
call
out
the
porch
posts
as
being
metal.
F
That
pretty
much
covers
everything
the
garage
door
conform
to
the
land
development
code
and
is
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application
requesting
to
replace
the
garage
door
on
this
contributing
structure.
The
application
was
publicly
noticed
and
there
were
no
responses
received.
A
D
H
A
H
B
H
H
F
This
building
received
a
certificate
of
approval
under
number
18
166,
Thank,
You,
Larry
2019,
and
it's
curling
currently
being
renovated
to
accommodate
a
new
restaurant
if
approval
included
a
lamp
post
on
which
this
sign
will
be
attached.
So
this
is
the
request
for
that
sign.
With
respect
to
your
review
criteria,
mostly
looking
at
item
7
on
page
3,
this
is
proposed
to
be
a
a
sign,
hung
on
the
lamp
post
with
a
decorative
bracket,
going
to
be
a
metal
sign
with
raised
lettering
and
will
include
the
name
and
Brandon
the
business
overall.
F
This
seems
to
be
somewhat
perhaps
an
improvement
over
what
was
there
previously
with
the
last
restaurant.
This
sign
would
conform
to
the
land
development
code
and
be
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application
requesting
to
place
a
new
freestanding
sign
of
this
contributing
property.
This
was
properly
noticed
and
there
were
no
responses
received.
A
N
K
K
G
B
J
E
E
I
F
This
is
a
an
application
to
renovate
the
contributing
property
from
a
commercial
used
to
a
chapel.
This
exterior
innovation
involves
all
three
sides
of
the
structure,
including
removal
of
existing
windows
and
doors,
installation
of
new
stucco
and
stucco
bans,
new
windows,
new
doors,
building
addition
bell
tower
addition:
alteration
of
the
parapet,
ornamentation
and
other
accompanying
changes.
F
Now
this
is
a
masonry
vernacular
commercial
structure
and
just
quick
highlights
on
your
analysis,
the
points
of
analysis
with
respect
to
height
and
width.
There
are
several
sheets
showing
plans
in
your
packet.
The
large
copies
sheet,
three
shows
the
exterior
views
and
sheet
four
shows
the
interior
views.
So
even
though
you
you
don't
review
the
interior,
that's
that
was
provided
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
what
the
applicant
is
trying
to
do
here.
F
With
the
exception
of
the
bell
tower
and
the
relics
room
edition,
the
width
and
depth
of
the
building
will
remain
unchanged.
The
current
and
the
current
building
height
is
twenty
four
and
a
half
feet.
The
parapet
rises
to
twenty-seven
and
a
half
feet
with
this
new
addition,
and
you
can
note
I've
added
a
figure
historic
figure
that
shows
the
parapet
did
rise
above
its
current
level
previously,
and
indeed
the
site
file
form
notes
that
the
parent
but
may
have
been
altered.
F
The
bell
tower
rises
to
about
36
to
36
feet
as
scales
on
the
plans
with
respect
to
that
height
feature,
comparable
height
feature
would
be
the
bell
towers
at
the
adjacent
Cathedral.
The
height
of
those
was
not
supplied.
I
would
estimate
the
lower
tower
to
be
about
40
feet
based
on
Google
Earth
measurements.
So
it's
it's
similar
to
what
this
proposed
bell
tower
would
be.
F
Which
your
guidelines
basically
include
all
commercial,
pretty
much
all
commercial
structures
that
need
that.
What
so
masonry
vernacular
is
is
kind
of
the
type
commercial
for
nak.
Euler
includes
everything:
that's
commercial
in
your
guidelines,
including
frame
vernacular,
Queen
Anne.
Anything
like
that,
so
just
to
kind
of
clarify
those
two
terms
as
they're
used
in
your
guidelines.
Some
of
the
features
are
listed
there.
The
site
file
form
does
note
a
flat
metal
canopy
suspended
from
chains
and
metal
awnings
over
the
windows.
F
Those
are
all
gone
with
the
exception
of
one
meta-learning
remaining
on
the
rear
of
the
structure,
though,
which
is
the
west
side.
I'm.
Sorry,
the
east
side,
the
applicant
proposes
to
replace
this
commercial
vernacular
style
with
a
style
closer
to
the
cathedral,
building
building,
which
is
of
a
neo-byzantine
architectural
style.
With
respect
to
item
three
again,
the
applicant
does
not
propose
to
alter
the
position
of
the
building.
If
anything,
the
biggest
thing
here
would
be.
F
So
those
are
dated
1894
to
1949
those
37
structure,
those
actually
there's
37
structures.
23
of
them
are
masonry
vernacular,
so
those
those
indeed
from
1894
to
1949
and
they
were
built
originally
as
commercial.
There
are
a
couple
of
commercial
that
were
originally
residences,
so
I
didn't
include
those
here.
F
F
F
This
is
a
proposal
proposed
change
of
style,
apparently
intended
to
kind
of
incorporate
it
with
the
adjacent
church
and
the
adjacent
property
make
it
more
part
of
that
community.
There
I
listed
your
with
respect
to
item
9
I
listed
your
Secretary
of
Interior
standards.
I
won't
go
through
those,
but
mainly
staff
feels
that
items
1,
2,
3,
5,
6,
9
and
10
are
not
met
with
this
application.
F
So
while
this
adaptive
reuse
of
this
structure
may
be
appropriate
to
the
property
in
the
intent
of
the
owners,
wishes
for
this
property
staff
feels
that
it
cannot
meet
the
review
standards
and
the
secretary
standards
staff
at
this
time
is
recommending
denial
of
the
application
requesting
to
perform
exterior
renovations
to
this
contributing
property.
This
was
properly
public
properly
noticed,
and
we
received
one
written
response
today,
which
Kim
I
believe
handed
you
each
a
copy
of
that.
A
P
E
P
G
G
P
P
P
It's
compatible
and
I
disagree
with
the
city's
analysis.
The
property
is
come
Pat
Abel,
with
the
structure
next
to
it,
which
is
the
Byzantine
Cathedral.
What
what
we
are
looking
at
is
a
chapel,
that's
designed
to
be
consistent
and
compatible
with
the
church.
Give
you
a
little
history,
not
that
that
that
has
any
bearing
on
your
decision.
But
three
days
ago,
I
was
in
Bop,
most
optimist
Greece,
which
is
where
John
st.
John
the
Apostle
wrote.
P
The
revelations
in
the
cave,
I've
been
to
the
last
several
days,
I've
been
in
various
monasteries,
one
of
the
things
that
we
see
and
what's
attracts
the
the
the
parishioners
which
attracts
attracts
the
believers
is
relics.
They
want
to
see
the
relics
of
deceased
saints,
and
currently
you
may
not
know
this-
we
have
a
relic
of
Saint
Nicholas
in
the
Saint
Nicholas
Church.
Many
people
don't
know
that,
and
one
of
the
driving
factors
behind
this
chapel
is
to
provide
relics
for
the
faithful.
There
are
many
people
who
want
to
donate
their
relics.
P
P
The
campus
itself
and
you
can't
design
it
any
other
way
it
has
to
be
a
Byzantine
structure
in
order
to
satisfy
the
rules
of
our
church
and
otherwise
that
building
serves
no
purpose.
It's
condemned.
The
only
alternative
is
to
tear
it
down.
So
to
the
extent
you
want
to
preserve
a
structure,
it's
how
do
you
preserve
a
condemned
the
building
other
than
either
tear
it
down
or
put
money
into
something
that
has
no
commercial
use?
P
It
has
no
use
to
the
church,
the
cost
the
church
can't
to
be
blunt,
the
church
has
no
resources
to
restore
it.
So
we
have.
We
have
we're
at
a
crossroads.
Do
we
tear
down
what
what
may
be
considered
a
historical
building
and
I
disagree,
or
do
we
do
we
move
on
to
fight
something
that's
compatible
with
the
property
itself?
If
you
look
at
the
picture,
that's
in
your
the
city's
analysis.
The
first
picture
you
see
the
church
and
next
to
that
you
see
a
white
block
building.
That's
the
structure,
we're
talking
about.
P
G
D
P
P
Sometimes
I
wish
you
know
other
than
looking
at
that.
The
written
report
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
sometimes
some
of
the
structures
that
you
have
the
you
know
authority
to
to
make
decisions
over
to
see
what
what
it
looks
like
what
the
insides
like
to
see.
If
you
know
do
we
preserve
just
for
the
sake
of
preservation
or
do
we
do
we,
you
know,
try
to
improve.
P
You
know
some
of
the
things
just
can't
you
just
can't
change
you
can't.
You
know
you
got
it
if
you've
got
a
building
that
is
condemnable.
What
are
your?
What
are
your
options?
You
know
as
a
property
owner,
if
you
can't,
if
it's
too,
if
it's
not
economical
enough
to
restore
it,
you
tear
it
down
and
what's
the
historical
value
of
a
torn
down,
building.
H
M
P
H
P
E
P
E
P
We're
here
here
for
tonight
we
had
made
application
for
a
permit
and
in
the
application
process
we
were
advised
during
because
it
went
through
all
the
city
departments
and
then
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
But
you
know,
then
we
were
advised
wait
a
minute.
You
may
have
to
go
through
president
Historical
Preservation
Board,
so
we
submitted
the
application
to
go
through
the
story
to
the
Historic
Preservation
Board.
And
that's
what
brought
us
here
tonight.
The
intent
was
not
to
tear
down
the
building
completely
and
start
from
scratch.
E
P
C
P
And
let
me
also
say
this:
the
the
plans
that
you
see
you
know
there's
a
process,
the
the
the
the
church,
the
parish
council
does
not
in
a
vacuum
decide
to
do
this.
There
was
a
the
parish
council.
It
was
brought
before
the
the
parish
assembly
who
approved
this
project.
It
was
it
was
before
even
before
you
need.
You
need
the
blessings
of
the
bishop
or
the
Metropolitan
who
has
blessed
this
project
as
well.
P
So
it's
gone
up
our
religious
chain
from
the
church,
all
the
way
up
to
the
the
Metropolitan
who
governs
who
governs
us.
So
you
know
we
again.
We
have.
We
have
vetted
this
thing
through
our
process
and
we
thought
we
vetted
it
quite
frankly,
through
the
city
and
and-
and
you
know
again,
not
knowing
that
in
the
city
advises,
we
had
to
go
in
front
of
this.
This
particular
committee,
so
I'm
gonna,
stand
by
here
in
case.
There's
any
comments
or
questions
that
you
have.
A
P
P
H
A
P
A
M
Evening,
chairman
and
members
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Board,
my
name
is
Sunita
proto's
901,
Bayshore
Drive
I
want
to
give
you
some
history
on
this.
In
1970s,
when
I
was
a
commissioner,
a
group
of
us
got
together
to
start
a
historic
preservation,
Main
Street
program
in
Tarpon
Springs
and
many
of
the
business
people
contributed
money
to
start
making
sure
we
can
buy
buildings,
preserve
them
and
make
sure
we
wouldn't
lose
our
history
being
on
the
State,
Historic
Preservation
membership.
You
get
brochures
and
magazines
all
the
time,
we're
in
communities.
M
They
are
awarded
for
taking
care
and
preserving
their
heritage,
and
this
is
very
important
to
us,
and
then
we
started
the
Historic
Preservation
study
and
went
all
over
the
community
with
naming
sites
that
should
be
historic
preservation,
Kenny
Henderson,
Kathleen,
Monaghan
and
the
city
went
after
historic
preservation
for
Saint
Nicholas
Church.
It
was
Bishop
Yaakov
us
who
came
down
on
epiphany
and
named
it
a
cathedral,
and
since
then
it's
been
known
as
st.
Nicholas
Cathedral
worldwide,
with
Kenny's
work
and
Kathleen's.
We
got
the
designation
in
the
acceptance
of
the
title
and
mr.
M
Henderson
got
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
money
at
that
time
that
we
were
going
to
use
with
the
church
and
preservation.
I,
don't
know
where
that
when
or
what
they
used
it
on,
because
I
was
never
on
the
board
at
that
time,
and
then
we
went
on
with
making
sure
around
town
the
preservation
and
it
has
stood
all
this
time
and
we
used
the
standards
of
the
state
historic
secretary
and
what
the
rules
were
I'm
here
tonight
to
ask
for
the
denial
of
this
project.
I
commend
mr.
M
Kappas
for
wanting
to
do
it
he's
underwritten
the
church
being
built
in
Palm
Harbor,
it's
commendable,
but
our
church
was
built
on
the
backs
of
sponge
divers
and
families
who
gave
money
all
the
time.
For
this
little
ladies
gave
quarters
and
fifty
cents
instead
of
buying
an
extra
loaf
of
bread
for
the
week,
was
that's
what
they
could
afford.
Families
worked
very
hard
and,
yes,
we
built
our
church
and
was
completed
in
1943.
M
The
building
said
where
they
want
to
put
the
shrine
now
or
say
it
was
a
gentleman
in
Tarpon
Springs
who
build
used
to
build
churches.
He's
now
deceased
gave
money
for
the
restoration
of
these
two
buildings.
It
was
never
done.
They
wanted
to
keep
the
bookstore
in
there
and
then
the
florists,
which
is
a
program
that
helps
the
poor
or
else,
but
the
church
office
isn't
there
at
that
time
and
he
wanted
apartments
upstairs
where
a
visiting
priest
could
come
and
stay
or
they
can
rent
them
to
make
money.
Never
done.
M
I
went
to
this
church
office.
I
wanted
to
see
how
many
people
signed
in
for
that
meeting
and
how
many
church
paid
members
we
have
twice
when
I
didn't
get.
The
information
I
had
called
the
president
of
the
Commission
of
the
church
board.
I
said:
I
didn't
get
a
letter
to
come
to
that
and
he
said
we
didn't
descend
letters.
We
put
it
on
a
computer.
How
many
brick
homes
have
computers?
How
many
people
have
computers?
I,
don't
have
a
computer
I
don't
want
one,
and
that
bothered
me
a
little
bit.
M
I
don't
know
if
it
was
an
even
number
of
participants
at
that
assembly
versus
my
the
membership
of
the
church.
I
don't
know
mr.
Kappas
has
this
Chapel
in
his
home
and
I
can
understand.
He
wants
to
get
it
out
of
this
home,
but
don't
step
on
our
historic
preservation
property
for
that
that
this
type
of
chapel
needs
to
be
out
on
property,
where
there's
ring
grass
there's
rubbery
and
there's
three,
and
when
you
look
at
the
Historic
Preservation
rules
and
regulations
throughout
the
state
and
the
National,
that's
what
they
recommend.
We
can
do.
M
What
we
want.
I
may
lose
it
tonight
and
I'll.
You
know,
and
that's
the
end
of
it.
But
when
you
look
at
the
picture
of
this
building,
how
close
it
is
to
the
street
our
cathedral,
isn't
that
close
to
the
street
and
there's
been
they
haven't,
had
a
parking
analysis
which
are
supposed
to
have
on
this.
The
sidewalks
used
to
be
slanted
and
water
would
run
in
the
building's
the
city
and
the
state
it's
the
sidewalk,
so
there
would
be
no
more
running
of
water
in
the
building.
M
M
M
I
had
one
church
member
tell
me
yesterday
just
leave
the
church,
we
don't
want
you
too
bad.
He
feels
that
way.
This
is
America
and
you
can
either
stand
up
and
disagree
agree
to
disagree
and
I
told
him.
I
said:
don't
take
it
out
on
me.
It's
the
community
I
can
guarantee
you
with.
This
is
done
you're,
not
going
to
see
the
beauty
of
st.
Nicholas
Cathedral.
As
you
start
drive.
M
It's
going
to
overpower
and
take
away
from
our
beautiful
and
it's
going
to
lose,
I,
hear
them
whispering
behind
me,
but
I'm
asking
you
to
stand
up
with
the
denial
with
with
what
the
state
says:
a
National,
Historic
Preservation.
We
don't
have
the
plaque
on
our
church
because
they
never
signed
the
paper
and
sent
it
in
Kenny.
Henderson
he's
out
of
state
right
now
went
up
there
many
times
as
Kathleen
Monaghan,
who
was
very
big
on
historic
preservation
for
this
community,
and
they
never
did
it.
M
Maybe
father
y'all
can
do
it
now
and
get
the
plaque
I
hope
so
I've
had
members
of
passports
say
it's
not
historic,
it
is.
It
is
I
like
to
back
up.
It
doesn't
mean
a
lot
of
the
criteria.
It's
your
responsibility.
Whatever
your
decision
is,
but
it's
your
responsibility
to
protect
the
historic
value
of
this
community
and
I
speak
a
lot
of
it
about
it
to
the
Commission
meetings
every
Tuesday
night.
You
know
and
I
feel
very
strong
about
historic
preservation,
because
I
grew
up
here.
My
family
came
here.
M
My
mother
was
first
generation
here
and
I
know
what
all
these
Greek
families
went
through.
Even
the
previous
speakers,
family,
all
of
them
gave
to
build
st.
Nicholas,
Cathedral
and
Saint
Nicholas
protects
us.
He
is
our
Saint
here
and
I
think
we
should
preserve
the
beauty
of
the
church
for
st.
Nicholas
and
mr.
Kappas
I.
Think
it's
wonderful.
What
you
want
to
do!
Take
it
to
Palm
Harbor
I,
don't
want
it
in
Palm
Harbor,
but
buy
a
piece
of
property
here,
take
it
throughout
the
Greek
community
or
throughout
the
community.
M
So
when
tourists
come,
they
have
different
areas
ago.
Tonight,
I
have
with
me
Goldie
Parr
she's,
a
keeper
st.
Michael's
trying
her
home.
Is
there
her
mother,
built
it
it's
beautiful
when
you
drive
down
the
road
in
front
of
it?
Sometimes
you
can't
even
drive
by
so
many
people
are
stopping
to
visit
st.
Michael
trying
from
around
the
world
that
could
happen
here,
but
not
in
the
location
where
it
is
the
church
to
go
on.
M
I
feel
should
go
on
a
program
to
restore
the
building
so
kameez
for
the
commercial
like
it
was
the
apartments
upstairs
make
money
from
it,
but
I'm
not
on
the
board.
I,
don't
wish
to
be
on
the
board.
I,
don't
want
all
these
problems,
but
when
I
heard
about
this
I
said
this
needs
to
stop.
We
need
to
protect
what
our
forefathers
gave
us
in
this
community
and
not
bring
in
something
that
shouldn't
be
there
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
A
L
Evening
panel,
I'm
Harry
and
drop
less
I
live
right
next
door
to
an
8
out
on
Bayshore,
but
I'm
also
I'm,
also
a
property
owner
in
the
doubt,
immediate
downtown
area,
132
and
134.
He
started
Avenue
as
well
as
mr.
Capas
is
here
not
to
speak
on
his
behalf.
He
said
he
has
a
property
at
118,
tarpon
Avenue.
L
If
you
look
at
that
immediate
part
of
alternate
19,
then
June
eskas
building,
which
is
immediately
next
door
to
the
south
of
that
building.
That's
been
altered
way
beyond
any
kind
of
historical
significance.
If
you
look
across
the
street
at
all
the
buildings
that
are
there
they're
now
white
stucco
buildings
with
styrofoam,
stucco
and
so
on,
so
first
they
look
more
they're,
not
still
not
in
they're,
not
in
the
same
character
as
that,
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
Cathedral,
which
is
a
completely
different
style.
This
is,
as
mr.
L
kusuda
said,
is
part
of
the
campus
of
the
Cathedral.
Unfortunately,
that
building,
which
most
of
us
all
know,
is
the
old
Farrell
Foods
store,
has
lost
whatever
character
it
had
as
a
historical
building.
There's
no
canopy
on
it
anymore,
the
door,
that's
in
it
is
boarded
up
with
plywood.
It
really
doesn't
have
really
any
significance
to
it.
It
probably
was
wrongly
categorized
as
a
significant
building.
When
the
study
was
done
as
a
downtown
property
on
earth.
It
would
be
very
nice
to
have
that
area
cleaned
up
and
made
new.
It
will
match
the
cathedral.
L
It
will
be
in
scale
with
the
streetscape.
That's
there
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
remember
that
also
I.
Think
you
need
to
remember
that
the
church
is
a
valuable
thing
here
in
our
community.
The
reliquary
that
we're
planning
to
put
in
that
building
will
also
help
to
generate
traffic
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
L
They're,
not
traffic
in
terms
of
cars,
but
traffic
in
terms
of
people
wanting
to
come
to
tarp
and
they
do
come
to
see
the
Cathedral,
but
also
there
they
will
come
to
see
the
relics
and,
as
you've
been
told,
there's
st.
Nicholas.
But
there
will
be
many
many
other
ones
there
too,
which
are
really
a
draw
as
well
as
allows
us
as
Greek
Orthodox
parishioners
to
celebrate
our
faith
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
L
I
don't
want
to
go
on
and
on,
but
I
think
you
should
keep
in
mind
while
I
realized
what
your
stats
you'd
say,
it
really
isn't
a
significant
building.
It
will
improve
that
streetscape
what
the
church
is
proposing
and
as
property
owners
there
I
would
ask
that
you
recommend
for
approval
this.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
Basically,
the
only
feature
of
that
building
that
remains
is
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
tile
on
the
front
and
the
windows
that
are
there
that
look
like
pretty
much
any
other
storefront
type
building,
there's
nothing
special
that
categorizes
it
from
a
tomb.
In
my
opinion,
from
that
binocular
like
there
are
some
other
buildings
in
town
that
really
do
represent
that
more
more
so
you
know
I
think
it's
been
said
already
that
that
building
and
that
property
is
really
a
extension
of
the
campus
of
st.
Nicholas,
the
church.
Q
The
cathedral
itself.
Is
there
than
being
right
next
to
that
is
our
or
Hall
our
fellowship
hall
and
and
that
actually
wraps
behind
this
building
and
the
building
itself?
That
we're
talking
about
in
question
is
part
of
a
block
that
makes
up
the
campus
of
the
church.
So
we
need
the
space
we.
We
have
overflow
situations
in
the
Cathedral
many
times.
We
need
the
space
and
it
can't
be
located
a
half
a
mile
or
a
mile
away.
Q
It's
just
not
going
to
serve
the
purpose
of
helping
us
with
our
growing
congregation
and
with
the
times
of
the
year
when
we
have
more
people
than
the
church
can
hold.
So
we
need
the
space
the
the
reliquary
is
important
to
us.
We
have
no
place
to
house
the
relics
and
display
them
right
now.
So
that's
an
important
feature
of
what
we'd
like
to
do
there
and
I.
Q
Think
that,
really,
when
you
look
at
it
as
a
whole,
in
the
end,
it's
really
more
part
of
the
church
campus
than
it
is
part
of
the
all
the
buildings
that
are
around
it
that
are
very
altered.
Harry
pointed
out
mr.
and
replace
at
the
buildings
next
door
across
the
street,
the
one
on
the
corner.
None
of
those
buildings-
really
it's
not
going
to
sit
there
in
this
building,
is
going
to
look
out
of
place
amongst
all
these
highly
restored
buildings.
That
buildings
have
all
been
altered
significantly
and
this
buildings
been
altered
as
well.
Q
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Nikita's
Maness
I'm,
president
of
the
parish,
council
of
st.
Nicholas
Cathedral
twelve
times
the
president
of
the
church,
Arcana
Vicki,
medical
patriarch
of
Constantinople
in
new
Rome.
This
project
has
been
about
a
three-year
project
and
everyone
involved
with
the
church
was
well
aware
of
what
was
going
on.
Some
people
chose
not
to
do
you
know,
listen,
but
that's
always
typical,
but
we're
asking
for
the
variance,
because
it
allows
us
to
worship
more.
We
don't
have
enough
room
in
our
church.
We
even
looked
at
expanding
the
st.
R
Nicholas
Church,
which
was
we
have
a
problem
with
thee.
We
went
to
the
national
heritage
or
fund,
and
they
said
they
would
give
us
money
for
interior
work
and
stuff
like
that,
but
not
for
exterior.
As
we
all
know,
a
born
and
I'm
not
born
I
was
lived
in
Tarpon
Springs
for
68
years.
The
building
that
we're
talking
about
used
to
be
called
booboo
Nels
restaurant
is
owned
by
the
nephews.
R
So
what
we're
now
sitting
to
argue
about
is
our
parish?
Council
has
decided
that
we
cannot
afford
to
restore
the
boo
bonel
building
and
that's
why
mr.
Capas
came
and
said
I
will
all
solve
your
problems
and
the
salt,
the
problems
of
the
community
of
being
unable
to
worship
correctly.
By
giving
you
this
Chapel,
our
parish
council
unanimously
unanimously
passed
it.
It
went
to
a
General
Assembly
twice
over
three
years.
Mr.
Costa
seesaw
was
president
mr.
R
Michael
Kermit,
a
serf
president,
and
then
it
passed
at
the
General
Assembly
Oh
with
over
two
thirds
majority
and
it
was
passed
by
our
metropolitan
all.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
asking
you
allow
the
boo
Bernal
building
to
be
a
chapel,
so
we
can
have
more
people
and
be
able
to
have
our
faith
and,
as
we
know,
tarpon
springs
from
the
beginning
of
time
has
been.
We've
been
a
major
factor
in
Tarpon
Springs
and.
O
S
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Chris:
Pleiades
I
live
on
oak
leaf,
village
I
come
to
Tarpon
Springs
39
years
ago
and
I
love.
That
brings
the
same
that
all
of
us
here
and
we
like
to
keep
the
historic
preservation
of
Tarpon
Springs
like
an
old
town,
but
we
aren't
to
beautify
terrible
things
too.
So
I'm
gonna
come
to
the
point.
To
mention
to
all
of
you.
S
Reading
the
Secretary's
point
number
nine,
the
said
that
needs
to
be,
if
he's
differentiated
for
the
world,
but
he
kept
keep
the
integrity
if
you
see
the
photo,
but
if
the
integrity
and
valve
an
environmentally
of
the
new,
so
the
the
new
building,
the
world's
gonna,
be
the
same,
but
they're
gonna
be
a
tower
on
the
top
and
the
tower
of
the
tops
gonna
match
the
two
towers
of
the
cathedral,
plus
going
south
the
tower
of
the
City
Hall.
So
it's
going
to
purify
our
area.
Gonna
give
er
a
history.
S
You
can
have
not
know
plenty
plenty.
Tourists
visiting
our
church
daily
and
the
con
heavy
place
go
some
other
place
beside
that,
like
at
the
chapel
to
see
relics
and
it's
very
motivational
and
religious
for
all
them.
Visitors
in
depend.
Members
of
and
the
citizen
of
turbo
Springs
the
city
of
Tartu
Springs
have
about
twenty
three
four
hundred
residents.
S
Follow
us
here,
one
third
of
the
residence
of
almost
8,000
of
them,
they're,
Greek,
Americans
and
the
most
of
them.
They
prove
that
the
most
of
them
except
few
acceptable
chagrined
does
their
opinion.
I
love.
The
respect,
mrs.
proto's
Caesar
major
by
vote
for
here,
but
we
have
different
opinion,
is
plenty
parking
because
the
city
parking
on
the
left
side
and
we
have
three
parking
lots.
We
have
the
most
parking
at
all
the
chest,
Darrien
so
come
down
to
the
point.
G
C
I've
been
looking
at
this,
but
a
bit
over
there
and
I
think
the
word
compatibility
is
the
one
who
has
to
hold
a
lot
of
weight
in
this
discussion
right
now.
This
building
is
essentially
an
orphan.
If
you
look
at
the
plan
the
vicinity
map
on
your
package,
you
have
the
stores
that
are
facing
east
Tarpon,
their
facades
and
they're
opening
putana
sizes
or
fronts
are
actually
on
Tarpon.
The
one
is
on
the
one
store
number
for
that
song.
Pinellas
has
got
a
small
store
there,
but
that's
like
a
second.
You
know
a
second
thought.
C
It's
it's
a
kind
of
by
itself
and
if
you
draw
it
into
the
church
with
the
church
architecture,
I
think
it
would
it
handset
area
quite
a
bit.
You
know,
and
essentially
what
we're
saying
is
you
know
what
what
right
you're
asking
us
is,
whether
we
can
change
a
style
of
a
building.
It's
already
existing
I,
think
that's
where
common
sense
and
compatibility
with
your
surroundings.
You
really
have
to
pay
attention
to
that
and
give
a
lot
of
weight
to
it.
A
E
H
D
I,
don't
we
don't
have
a
choice
when
the
guidelines
say
you
know,
minor
adjustments
can
be
made
that
do
not
major-league
attract
from
a
building,
and
these
are
not
minor
changes
that
I
think
we're
limited
to
what
the
law
says.
I,
don't
think
it's
an
opinion.
I
think
we're
bound
by
what
the
law
says.
G
E
This
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding.
You
are
bound
by
whatever
the
relevant
evidence.
That's
presented
at
the
hearing
and
I
wanted
to
say
before
a
motion
was
called
that
you
know
you
just
remember
that
it
has
to
be
relevant
to
the
application
before
you.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
testimony
here
this
evening
that,
while
it
was
very
informative,
is
not
relevant
to
the
application.
The
second
portion
is
the
you
are
bound
by
the
criteria.
The
code
is.
The
code
is
the
code.
E
The
Board
of
Commissioners
has
passed
legislation
and
you
are
bound
by
that
legislation.
It's
the
law,
so
whether
or
not
the
evidence
presented
at
this
hearing
meets
those
criteria.
That
is
what
you
are
here
to
determine.
The
staff
report
is
the
city's
position
on
it.
The
applicant
is
here
to
give
its
position
on
it
and,
ultimately,
you
are
to
take
the,
though
the
evidence,
the
relevant
evidence
that
is
presented
and
apply
it
to
the
criteria.
If
it
doesn't
meet
all
of
the
criteria,
you
not
grant
the
application.
E
P
Judges
are
for
you're
a
quasi
judicial
board
as
a
quasi
judicial
board.
You
act
as
a
judge
if
it
was
clearly
that
way,
you
wouldn't
need
a
judge.
All
you
need
to
do
is
look
at
the
law
and
pass
sentence
or
pass
a
verdict.
You,
as
a
board,
have
the
opportunity
to
interpret
that's
what
judges
do
you're
a
quasi
judicial
board.
You
have
the
right
to
interpret
the
law
pursuant
to
the
law,
not
it's
well.
This
is
what
it
says.
This
is
what
we
have
to
follow,
because
otherwise
you
wouldn't
need
a
judge.
O
Harrison,
the
Dean
of
the
Cathedral
I
reside
at
one
to
three
North
Florida
Avenue.
What,
as
a
point
of
clarification,
moving
forward?
What
are
the
specific
steps
and
criteria
moving
forward
from
here
we
have
requested
building
permits,
we
have
amended
building
plans
based
on
the
building
department,
suggestions,
etc.
What
you're
speaking
of
very
specific
legal
requirements
of
this
board,
and
so
my
question
would
be
what
are
the
exact
procedures
following
tonight's
decision
that
the
church
has
in
its
recourse?
If
the
board
chooses
that
application
is
to
be
denied
I.
E
O
You're
saying
that
there's
a
very
specific
legal
criteria
for
this
for
this
hearing,
the
very
nature
that
we
are
here
to
present
imply
is
that
this
can
make
a
ruling
on
that
decision.
If
this
board
did
not
have
its
in
its
purview
the
ability
to
grant
our
request
contrary
to
the
advice
of
staff
we
wouldn't
be
here
tonight,
it
would
be
in
a
legal
proceeding.
The
very
fact
that
this
board
has
been
gathered
tonight
gives
it
the
legal
precedent
to
say
yes
or
no
on
its
own
authority.
E
O
E
I
appreciate
that
that's
public
comment
I'm.
As
far
as
your
board
attorney
quasi
judicial
proceedings,
you
are
not
acting
as
a
judge.
It
is
quasi
judicial,
not
judicial.
It
is.
It
is
not
the
same
as
acting
as
a
judge
and
the
reason
it's
not
the
same
as
acting
as
a
judge
is
because
there
is
a
legislative
body
in
this
community,
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
that
that
creates
law.
This
board
is
an
is
independent
of
the
city
and
I
agree.
You
do
not
have
to
go
with
staffs
recommendation;
they
represent
the
city's
interests.
E
The
applicant
represents
the
applicants
interests.
This
board
is
a
neutral
third
party
that
is
here
to
take
in
the
evidence,
whatever
the
the
burden
is
on
the
applicant
to
present
the
evidence,
and
it
is
up
to
this
board
to
take
that
the
relic,
what
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
information
and
apply
it
to
the
law,
that's
already
in
place,
so
the
Commission
has
laid
out
11
criteria
within
the
code
of
ordinances
that
are
laid
out
within
the
staff
report.
E
Staff
has
done
its
research
and
said
why
they
think
it
meets
or
does
not
meet
the
criteria.
The
applicant
and
the
the
people
in
the
community
have
come
forward
and
said
why
they
think
it
meets
or
does
not
meet
the
standards.
It
is
up
to
this
board
to
take
that
information
and
apply
that
information.
The
evidence,
the
relevant
evidence
to
the
criteria,
and
if
you
find
that
it
meets
all
of
the
11
criteria,
then
you
are
bound
whether
or
not
you
agree
with
it
or
not,
you're
bound
to
grant
the
application.
E
If
you
find
that
it
does
not
meet
all
of
the
criteria,
it's
not
in
either/or,
but
if
you
find
it
does
not
meet
all
the
criteria,
then
you
are
required
to
deny
it.
That
is
where
the
requirement
to
confirm
or
deny
and
you're
not.
You
know
you
have
two
parties
to
the
application
staff
and
the
applicant.
You
are
the
neutral
third
party,
but
you
are
bound
by
the
legislative
enactments
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
which.
E
Is
an
appeal
process:
it's
within
the
code
again
I
am
the
board
attorneys,
so
I
can't
really
go
through
that.
That
is
something
that
the
if
it
and
of
course
no
decision
has
been
made,
but
the
appeals
process
is
in
the
code.
Staff
can
certainly
get
with
the
applicant
or
they
can
seek
independent
legal
counsel
to
decide
what
they
like
to
do.
I
presume
that
it
goes
one
way
or.
A
A
C
C
B
D
D
D
B
F
Actually
I
was
gonna
update
you
at
the
next
meeting.
We
do
have
the
grant
agreement
scheduled
for
the
board
to
approve
next
Tuesday,
the
August
13th
meeting,
but
we
don't
sort
of
the
wait
for
that
have
that
executed.
Then
we
can
proceed
with
with
them
retaining
a
consultant.
So
I
was
going
to
try
to
give
you
a
full
update
next
time,
once
we've
done
pretty
much
most
of
that,
but
it
is
moving
forward.