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From YouTube: Heritage Preservation Board January 14, 2019
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A
A
A
C
A
E
A
E
A
You
so
for
the
next
year,
I'll
serve
as
a
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
I'm
support
and
care
will
be
the
by
now
we're
gonna
move
to
the
quasi-judicial
announcement
and
the
swearing-in
of
speakers,
and
before
we
get
to
that,
I
just
want
us
to
say
we
do
have
formal
processes
to
be
followed,
which
our
attorney
will
fill
out.
You
do
need
to
come
to
the
podium
and
speak
and
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
say
if
you're,
the
applicant
or
your
post,
to
it
you're
a
favor
of
it.
A
Whatever
your
position
is,
these
are
all
just
so
that
we
have
a
good
record
of
what
happened
today.
We
don't
have
any
limits
on
how
long
you
want
to
speak,
although
we
ask
you
to
be
direct
and
concise,
but
we
want
to
hear
whatever
you
have
to
say
about
your
the
topic,
whether
you're
the
applicant
or
your.
A
E
Is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
where
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
it
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contain
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
E
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance
and
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence,
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance.
Then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
against
the
applicant.
G
E
A
A
E
E
It
is
up
to
the
applicant
if
they
would
like
to
move
forward
with
the
three
items
that
were
noticed
properly
for
this
meeting
this
evening
and
then
hear
the
remainder
of
the
items
at
a
later
date
continue
to
next
meeting,
which
is
in
February
or
if
they
would
like
to
continue
the
entirety
of
the
application
to
the
next
meeting
in
February.
But
that's
up
to
the
decision
of
the
applicant
and
this
board.
F
The
application,
its
stealth
self-states,
we
would
like
to
install
three
windows:
the
postcard
states,
the
applicant
is
requesting
certificate
of
approval
to
install
windows
of
bar
and
patio
in
the
front
yard.
I
can
elaborate
further
on
how
that
occurred
if
you'd,
like
the
drawings
originally
submitted,
show
more
than
just
the
windows,
but
those
were
not
reviewed
in
detail
at
the
time
of
the
Apple.
At
the
time
the
postcards
were
sent
out
like
I,
say:
I
can
elaborate
further.
If
you
wish.
A
What
I
think
we're
not
those
three
things
just
I'll
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
So
roofing
that
says
it's
not
to
be
replaced.
Second-Floor
siding
will
not
be
replaced.
It
will
be
painted
first
floor
siding
there
will
be
some
changes
out
where
the
windows
are.
The
double
hung
windows
to
remain
the
front
bay
windows.
I
believe
those
are
the
ones
that
are
changing.
Is
that
correct?
That
was
noticed.
A
A
F
F
The
staff
report,
noted
some
information
that
we
needed
to
in
order
to
evaluate
the
application,
the
we
notified
the
architect
and
the
applicant,
and
they
responded
very
quickly
with
that
information,
which
is
the
letter
you
just
read
from,
and
we
based
staff
report
on
that.
But
again
there
were
some
noted
differences
and
also
some
of
the
items
were
in
the
original
architectural
drawings
that
are
not
included
on
the
postcard.
So
is
a
combination
of
things
that
just
happened.
Trying
to
get
this
thing,
yeah.
A
And
keep
in
mind,
we
don't
really
need
to.
You
need
to
keep
your
conversation,
your
presentation
to
whether
or
not
you
want
to
proceed
with
just
the
noticed
items
or
whether
you
want
to
wait
a
month.
We
don't
want
to
hear
the
whole
case
in
full.
Now
we
just
want
to
talk
about
whether
it's
noticed
properly.
Not
we
didn't
want
you
to
sit
here
all
night
if
we're
gonna
later
it.
You
know
an
hour
from
now
and.
F
H
I
H
Do
you
know?
This
is
not
a
residential
project?
Is
this
commercial
project?
The
things
that
you
know
evolved
in
that
and
the
timing
and
the
money
that's
involved
is
very,
very
critical.
Can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,
so
you
know
it
was.
It
was
submitted
the
idea
that
some
of
the
things
were
not
posted
perfectly
accurately-
and
there
are
a
few
extras
do
not
seem
to
be-
would
be
a
concern.
I
can't
imagine
that
someone
would
read
that
postcard
having
interest
in
that
building
and
decide.
H
F
H
That
said,
oh
well,
they're
just
doing
a
new
bar
and
they're
just
doing
new
windows
and
they're
only
you
know
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
because
I,
don't
think.
There's
anything
that
we're
going
to
present
tonight.
That
would
change,
be
a
significant
change
to
what
somebody
would
be
anticipating
from
the
public.
H
A
Still
have
to
rely
on
the
board
attorney
and
what
I
know
about
notice,
whether
or
not
someone
would
or
would
not
have
come
is
really
not
relevant.
The
point
is:
there's
only
three
main
items
noticed.
If
you
want
to
proceed
tonight,
we
can
only
here
and
talk
about
those
three
items,
none
other
than
the
rest
of
the
items
that
you
want
to
do.
The
project
can
be
approved
tonight
you
can
resubmit
or
I,
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
continue
that
part
patter
I
mean
I,
know
technically
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
A
H
A
Mean
that's.
The
fence
is
one
thing:
that's
listed
that
change
to
the
porch
column,
so
new
steps,
the
new
doors.
Those
are
the
items
that
we're
not
notice.
So
we
cannot.
We
cannot
discuss
those
tonight.
We,
you
can
say
anything
you
like
I,
can't
keep.
You
can
make
whatever
presentation
you
want,
but
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
vote
on
those
items
that
they
weren't
properly
noticed
they're
not
properly
before
the
board,
and
it's
not
properly
notice.
It's
it's
really
not
a
legal
case.
A
A
A
H
A
H
A
H
A
So
now
we're
gonna
start
at
the
beginning
of
the
agenda:
application,
18,
93
demolition
of
an
outbuilding,
a
one-car,
framed
garage,
one
car
garage.
It's
a
contributing
structure.
This
was
continued
from
the
December
meeting.
The
address
is
58
Reed
Street
and
the
applicant
is
Conger
Diaz.
We
had
this
case.
We
heard
it
I
think
we
actually
heard
it
in
October
and.
G
E
F
Yes,
as
mentioned,
this
is
a
proposed
demolition
of
a
detached
garage
that
is
a
contributing
structure
of
58
Reed
Street
the
applicant
was
get
was
heard
actually
scheduled
on
the
October
1st
meeting.
The
board
asked
for
additional
information
and
continued
the
application
to
the
December
3rd
meeting.
The
applicant
asked
for
a
continuance
from
that
meeting
to
tonight.
January
14th
the
items
requested
of
the
applicant,
which
were
an
estimate
of
the
demolition
compared
to
a
estimate
of
basically
rehabilitating
the
building,
have
not
been
supplied
to
staff.
F
At
this
point,
staff
continues
to
recommend
approval
of
the
demolition
based
on
the
applicants.
Some
letter
from
the
contractor
that
states
in
order
to
bring
the
building
to
code
it
would
need
to
be
demolished
and
completely
rebuilt,
but
and
staff,
would
encourage
the
board
at
this
point
to
act
on
the
application.
I,
don't
I
have
not
heard
from
the
applicant,
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
she's
here
I
can
go
through
the
staff
report.
If
you'd
like.
A
J
I've
contacted
three
different
construction
companies
and
once
they
came
out
and
looked
at
it,
they
said
that
there's
no
way
that
that
wouldn't
be
cost-effective
to
rebuild
the
garage.
I
didn't
contact
the
original
contractor
that
we
had
submitted
the
letter
and
she
felt
that
the
letter
was
sufficient
enough.
A
A
J
J
It
looks
like
either
my
father
or
my
grandfather
or
somebody
kind
of
patchworked
the
wall
on
the
inside
the
floor,
the
concrete
flooring
isn't
even
a
full
slab,
it's
only
a
partial
slab
so
and
they
just
used
it
for
storage.
Mainly
it
was
never
a
one
car
garage.
It
was
just
a
storage,
it
didn't
have
a
door,
nothing
so
I,
don't
even
know
if
they
built
or
whoever
built
the
house
built
it
I'm
not
sure.
According.
A
M
A
C
A
With
that
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
that
perhaps
the
previous
owner
didn't
really
pay
attention
and
didn't
maintain
the
garage,
but
it's
what
we
call
demolition
by
the
clock.
So
if
you
just
ignore
a
problem,
whether
it's
in
your
house,
your
garage
or
any
other
outbuilding,
you
know-
and
it
just
becomes
dilapidated
deteriorating
because
you're
not
doing
normal
maintenance.
That's
what
demolition
by
neglect,
so
we
wouldn't
normally
let
that
happen
to
our
own
house.
I
mean
none
of
us
would
do
that.
You
got
a
leak
in
your
roof.
A
A
But
that's
my
concern
so
I'm
still
deciding
how
to
vote,
but
I
just
want
to
send
a
message
to
you
guys
and
to
the
staff
and
to
anybody
out
there
that
demolition
mining
collect
it's
just
not
gonna,
be
tolerant.
I
think
y'all
have
some,
perhaps
some
other
mitigating
circumstances
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
mean
my
husband
and
I
dealt
with.
You
know
his
mother's
house,
not
for
as
long
as
y'all
have,
but
it's
someone's
got
to
have
some
responsibility
understand.
E
D
J
I
say
something:
the
code
enforcement.
We
were
just
there
on
Thursday
night
and
they're
waiting
the
approval
of
this
board
to
go
ahead
and
decide
one
way
or
the
other.
What
we're
going
to
do
if
we're,
if
the
board
votes
that
we
have
to
reconstruct
this
garage,
it's
gonna
have
to
be
reconstructed
from
the
ground.
Up,
I
mean
I,
don't
think
anything
is
salvageable.
J
J
D
Still
as
if
misses,
what
I
want
to
reiterate
what
our
Chairman
has
said,
that
there
are
out
buildings
associated
with
historic
buildings
and
historic
property
and
there's
purposes
for
those
buildings,
some
may
be
a
smoke
house
at
one
time.
Some
may
have
been
a
spring
house
at
one
time.
Some
me
had
been
a
purposed
garage
at
some
time
and
if
we
I
just
don't
I
feel
uncomfortable
may
set
precedent,
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
that
that's
what
this
board
is
here,
we're
here
to
defend
historic
and.
G
A
Economic
evaluation
or
financial
evaluation:
what's
the
cost
to
demolish
it,
what's
the
cost
to
restore
it?
You
know
about
this
much
to
restore
the
building
and
here's
all
the
challenges
that
go
with
it.
Yeah
then
the
board
I
can
think
of
one
case
on
spring
boulevard,
where
the
board
did
approve.
That's
the
one
that
comes
to
mind,
there's
probably
others,
but
in
this
we
don't
have
the
the
information
to
evaluate,
and
that's
why
I'm
troubled
and
and
it.
J
It
help
if
we
took
pictures
I
mean
inside
and
out
I
mean
that's
not
just
really.
That
picture
doesn't
give
it
justice.
As
far
as
the
amount
of
work
that
it
needs
I
mean
we
could
take
pictures
and
bring
in
the
inside
what
it
looks
like
and
the
outside
the
one
side
of
the
garage
that
towed
needs
to
be
redone
and,
like
I
said
the
inside
is
Pat,
looks
like
patchwork
that
probably
my
grandfather
did
I,
don't
know
my
father
or
somebody
and
no
windows
I
mean
if
I
could
take
pictures.
D
K
No
one
has
come
out
to
me
or
anything
like
that.
We
do
have
the
letter.
One
letter
that
says
that
demolition
is
is
what
it
needs
because
of
the
structure
of
the
garage.
That's
the
only
letter
that
we
have
that
we
can
offer,
but
again
no
one
has
called
no
other
contractors
have
called
us
back
as
metus
out
there
I
mean
we've.
We've
called
at
least
five
of
them.
I.
L
K
A
Think
you
can
see
the
difficulty
that
we're
in
because
you're
asking
us
to
make
a
decision
without
full
information.
I
personally
have
been
involved
in
renovation
of
historic
buildings
where
I've
done
the
you
know
the
hard
work
and
I
see
a
lot
of
the
siding
in
this
building
that
can
be
saved.
I
recognize
that
you
just.
J
A
A
A
Mean
again,
my
my
concern
is,
as
I've
stated,
it's
it's
a
demolition
by
neglect
where
someone
we're
basically
rewarding
someone
for
bad
behavior.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
the
folks
that
are
here.
It's
you
know,
someone
who
isn't
here
and
on
the
and
if
it
weren't
a
accessory
structure,
that
was
historic
and
was
contributing
I'd
be
less
I
mean,
wouldn't
be
concerned
about
it
at
all
to
make
a
decision.
N
N
D
A
A
A
You
can
discuss
with
the
staff.
There
is
an
appeal
process
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
You
can
discuss
that
with
the
with
the
staff
and
whatever
action
is
needed.
We
don't
really
get
involved
with
enforcement,
except
to
know
that
case
came
out
and
code
enforcement,
but
it's
up
to
you
how
you
want
to
proceed
either
with
an
appeal
or
to
comply
with
the
board's
act.
A
A
F
This
is
an
application
for
a
removal
of
an
existing
concrete
driveway
in
to
redo
the
existing
walkway
on
that
side
of
the
house
in
brick
and
to
add
a
brick
apron
on
that
side
of
the
house.
That's
on
the
Orange
Street
side
and
then
on
the
Coase
Avenue
side,
they're,
proposing
installation
of
a
brick
driveway
and
parking
pad
and
picket
fence.
F
The
proposed
project
basically
complies
with
the
lien
development
code,
including
the
width
of
the
proposed
driveway.
The
applicant
has
proposed
really
a
minimal
with
for
that
driveway
that
new
driveway
and
the
addition
of
that
parking
and
driveway
would
bring
the
residents
into
compliance
with
the
current
a
code
for
parking
for
single-family
residence.
Also,
the
Oh,
the
fence
is
proposed
to
be
approximately
the
height
or
comparable
to
the
neighbor,
which
also
wouldn't
meet
the
code.
That
would
be
the
four
feet
or
less
in
height,
going
to
item
seven.
F
Basically,
the
existing
driveway
on
Orange
Street
went
into
what
was
a
garage
that
was
part
of
this
Colonial
Revival
structure
had
a
garage
that
is
no
longer
a
garage
according
to
the
applicant
and
I
did
find
a
remodel
permit
in
the
in
our
records
from
1997.
That
was
presumably
probably
remodeled
around
that
time.
So
that
is
now
living
space,
although
they
did
retain
the
battened
or
in
that
area,
so
that
Drive
was
proposed
to
be
removed
and
replaced.
F
Basically,
with
part
part
of
the
yard
with
the
grass
and
then
they
proposed
to
carry
the
brick,
that's
on
the
walkway
onto
that
Orange
Street
porch
into
the
rest
of
the
project.
Basically,
and
the
parking
pad
is
proposed
to
to
be
put.
The
driveway
and
parking
pad
would
lead
behind
the
existing
oak
tree
and
then
there
would
be
a
picket
fence
on
that
side.
Staff
recommends
approval
of
the
application,
and
this
was
properly
noticed
with
postcards
and
there
were
no
responses
received.
Are
there
any
questions.
M
F
The
picture
the
picture
shows,
that's
a
you
know,
photoshopped
picture
now
they
do
have
I
believe
they
have
a
picture
of
the
adjacent
residents
with
their
fence
and
they
proposed
to
do
something
either
similar
or
matching
exactly
I'm,
not
sure.
If
the
applicant
is
here
and
can
address
that,
but
they
would
do
something
similar.
F
O
O
As
was
mentioned,
I
think
Pat
mentioned
we're,
trying
to
keep
the
driveway
profile
as
its
egress
to
the
street
at
a
minimum,
a
minimum
width
of
about
10
feet,
trying
to
tuck
part
of
it
behind
the
existing
oak
trees,
so
that
it
will
be
relatively
less
conspicuous
and
we're
also
intending
to
put
in
reclaimed
bricks
so
that
it
will
look
as
if
it's
been
there
for
a
while.
If
you
will,
the
picket
fence
that
we're
hoping
to
put
in
is
identical
or
will
be
identical
to
our
two
adjacent
neighbors.
O
P
O
When
we,
but
when
we
bought
the
property
six
months
ago
or
so
it
was
completely
overgrown
in
the
front
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
know
the
property
or
recall,
but
it
was
very
overgrown.
The
house
was
barely
visible
from
the
street,
so
one
of
the
first
things
we
did
was
to
clear
out
as
much
of
the
debris
as
possible
and
clean
it
up.
And
of
course,
that's
just
a
start.
O
O
The
earlier
discussion
about
310,
East,
ARP
and
I
heard
mention
of
railings
on
the
porch
or
on
the
deck
and
I
didn't
specifically
mention
that
in
our
application,
because
we
were
talking
about
a
picket
fence
and
you'll,
see
on
that
Orange
Avenue
I'm,
sorry,
the
Orange
Street
rendering
you
can
see
where
I
attempted
to
put
in
some
railings
there
and
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
do
that
as
part
of
the
fence
project.
But
we
didn't
specifically
ask
for
that
and
if
we
have
to
come
back
with
a
separate
application
for
that
I'm.
G
M
P
O
Right,
the
the
actually
the
steps
actually
have
where
it
looks
like
some,
some
tube
some
tube
steel
or
something
like
that
had
been
cut
out.
Obviously,
if
that's
what
was
there,
it
wasn't
very
attractive,
but
we'd
like
to
replace
it
not
with
that,
but
with
something
white
would
that
would
be
attractive.
O
G
O
A
P
O
F
That
was
not
notice.
The
fence
by
itself
would
be
a
staff
level
approval.
It
was
included
here
because
the
rest
of
it
rose
to
board
level.
The
handrails
I
guess
would
be
considered
part
of
the
structure
itself.
So
that's
without
slipping
through
the
guidelines.
Real
quick,
that's
probably
under
your
purview
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
whether
that
were
you
know
that
minor
addition
rises
to
a
new
application.
I
feel
like
like,
like
what
we
have
is
sufficient,
but
I
would
ask.
A
F
A
P
E
A
Style-
and
it
can
be
vinyl-
okay
with
that,
but
since
it's
not
really
drawn
on
the
plan
that
way,
I
want
to
be
real
specific
about
what
we're
approving
so
that
when
they
go
in
for
permits,
they
are
meeting
folks
know
what
we
approved.
My
only
other
suggestion
is
haven't
been
in
development
for
a
while
I
suspect
you
might
have
some
problems.
Putting
paver
blocks
around
the
tree
because
of
the
tree
roots.
So
I
personally,
don't
have
a
problem.
A
A
O
A
You
know
that's
water
go
through
and
it
wouldn't
have
his
impact
on
the
tree
roots
and
there
may
be
some
other
I
mean
that's
probably
the
best
solution
for
their
tree,
something
like
that
I'm,
not
an
artist
I've,
just
seen
them
yeah
a
lot
of
this
issue
coming
up
and
I
hate.
You
come
back
this.
They
say
well,
this
section
needs
to
be
paper
blocks,
not.
A
P
A
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Nancy
Subic
I
live
at
334,
East,
Orange
Street
right
across
the
street.
From
the
woods
you
know,
my
house
has
the
Pinder
house
I
do
approve,
I,
would
love
for
them
to
have
their
little
fence
up,
I
think
it'll,
look
wonderful!
There
are
houses
within
the
block
and
within
eye
distance
of
their
home.
That
does
have
the
picket
fencing,
there's
also
chain-link.
There's
various
different
fences
I
think
it
would
look
real
cottagey
and
really
put
their
house
together.
Some
I
do
have
something
to
say
about
those
blocks.
Q
You
were
talking
about
with
the
holes
in
them
they're,
just
as
deep
as
the
brick
pavers
and
as
the
antique
Road
bricks.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
solve
the
issue.
If
there
is
one
of
going
around
that
tree,
because
when
you
put
the
bricks
up
against
each
other,
there
is
drainage
between
the
bricks
that
water
can
go.
But
if
you're
talking
about
digging
out
a
route
to
put
a
brick,
the
blocks
are
the
same
depth.
So
that's
not
really
gonna
make
it
or
break
it.
Q
I
do
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
the
pavers
I'm.
Not
sure
if
I'm
clear
on
are
they
brick
pavers?
Are
they
antique
bricks
or
the
antique
Road
bricks?
What
is
the
actual
material?
That's
going
to
be
used
for
the
driveway
currently
I
believe
you
have
the
brick,
the
antique
bricks
in
the
front
where
the
walkway
is
so
I
would
like
to
see
something
like
that
or
the
antique
Road
brick
to
be
used
so
that
it's
more
conducive
with
their
home.
You
know
in
the
historic
district
and
what
they
currently
have.
A
F
Q
Opposed
the
brick
pavers
that
you
get
from
Home
Depot
a
little
thin,
one-inch,
brick
paver
versus
a
brick.
That's
that's
all
I,
but
whatever
whatever
materials
they
decide
to
use,
I
think
it's
wonderful
for
them
to
have
a
driveway,
because
it's
a
real
safety
issue
on
that
road
on
or
East
Orange
Street,
and
they
can't
park
on
Gross
Avenue.
There's
a
fire
extinguisher
on
the
corner
and
there
are
two
driveways
across
the
street
from
them.
A
Q
And
I
did
I'm
sorry
about
the
railing.
I
have
lived
in
the
Pinder
house
now
for
16
years
and
there
was
a
railing
there
originally
when
the
Rowan's
purchased
it.
It
had
just
a
round
bar
that
came
down
just
just
like
a
cattle
bar
I,
don't
know,
and
then
it
was
replaced
with
a
wooden
one.
But
just
one
which
kind
of
seemed
kind
of
predictive
productive
to
me
seems
like
there
should
be
one
on
both
sides.
Q
A
R
Name
is
Stephanie
wood
and
I
live
across
the
way
on
top
of
now
and
I
just
want
to
say
everything
that
they've
done
to
the
house
is
just
beautiful,
they're
there
to
make
it
better
and
any
changes.
Safety
is
one
for
the
driveway,
of
course,
but
any
changes
that
they've
done
and
planned
to
do
or
just
enhance
the
neighborhood
so
we're
all
for
it.
O
Right
yeah
regarding
the
bricks
we
are
intending
to
use,
reclaimed,
brick
brick
if
at
all
possible.
That's
part
of
the
estimate
that
we
receive,
of
course,
the
supply
of
bricks.
Reclaimed
bricks
is
not
shall
I
say
it's
not
necessarily
a
guarantee
of
what
they're
going
to
look
like,
but
we
we
do
intend
to
use
reclaimed
brick
in
a
red
clay
material.
So
as
close
to
straight
pavers,
or
you
know
something
like
that
as
possible
and
I
think
I
think
that's
mentioned
in
our
application.
A
E
A
G
D
E
Going
structure
of
the
motion:
if
it's
going
to
be
an
approval
with
conditions
I
would
be
specific
to
the
condition,
for
instance
like
a
reclaimed,
brick
or
in
the
alternative.
A
you
know
as
similar
looking
paver,
as
is
appropriate
I
mean.
However,
you
want
to
word
it,
but
it
needs
to
be
pretty
perfect.
E
O
D
E
A
E
Okay,
so
for
clarification,
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
application
or
the
picket
fence,
with
the
conditions
that
the
picket
fence
either
be
on
on
both
sides
on
gross
and
orange,
with
the
condition
that
the
picket
fence
be
either
vinyl
or
wood
and
to
also
approve
the
driveway
with
the
reclaimed,
brick
or
similarly
looking
pavers
correct.
Okay.
So
that's
the
clarified
motion.
That's
before
the
board
and.
A
A
A
F
This
is
a
230
Hibiscus
Street,
it's
a
frame,
vernacular
single-story
residential
structure.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
all
of
the
windows
on
the
outside.
There
are
eight
visible
from
the
outside.
The
ninth
one
is
actually
between
the
residents
and
the
shed
addition,
so
that's
can't
be
seen
from
the
outside
and
also
to
replace
the
front
door.
F
Basically,
all
these
are
all
replacement
of
wood
windows
on
the
structure,
with
basically
the
same
design,
double-hung
sash
one
over
one,
vinyl
windows,
the
style
and
trim
color
will
match
the
existing
windows,
design
and
size.
Obviously,
the
existing
windows
will
do
have
wood
frames
and
cells.
The
applicant
has
not
proposed
that
the
would
be
disturbed.
F
We
have
at
least
two
residences
across
the
street
that
have
solid
doors
with
upper
windows,
so
that
is
consistent
with
that
character
in
the
neighborhood.
The
fenestration
will
not
change
with
as
a
result
of
all
the
window
and
door
replacements
being,
as
the
applicant
stated
size
for
size,
so
in
their
current
size,
in
configuration,
trim
and
sills
would
remain
the
same.
F
And
the
existing
surrounds
will
be
retained,
so
this
this
some
upgrade
will
not
detract
from
the
building.
This
proposal
is
consistent
with
all
of
the
guidelines
and
meets
the
land
development
code
and
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
staffer
recommends
approval,
with
the
condition
that
the
building
permits
be
obtained
and
I
also
added
just
clarifying
that
the
existing
wood
would
be
maintained.
That
would
not
be
disturbed
since
it
wasn't
expressly
stated.
F
S
Hi
Kelly
Flannery
2:30
hibiscus
tree
so
I'm
just
requesting
that
the
windows
be
replaced
in
the
door
because
the
state
that
they
are
currently
in
it's
not
exactly
safe.
The
windows,
don't
all
open.
The
one
has
a
BB
hole
in
it:
they're
damaged
because
they're,
very,
very
old,
so
they're
screwed
shut
most
of
them,
don't
open.
They
like
wiggle
with
the
wind
so
just
to
replace
them,
so
that
for
safety
and
efficiency
of
energy
and
the
front
door
needs
to
be
replaced
because
it
is
also
the
original
and
you
could
single
pane
glass.
A
F
A
So,
just
to
let's
just
put
this
on
the
record,
so
the
photograph
that
is
in
your
package,
it's
a
raised
panel
door
and
it's
got
a
fan
light
at
the
top
and
it's
made
of
steel
generally.
When
we
look
at
replacing
windows,
we
ask
the
applicant
to
show
that
the
windows
have
so
deteriorated
and
generally
the
rule
we
look
at
is
50%
or
more.
The
windows
are
deteriorate
such
that
they
can't
be
repaired.
I,
don't
really
feel
like
you've
really
done
that
evaluation.
A
That's
number
one.
Generally
speaking,
windows
are
such
an
important
feature
of
a
building
that
preparing
them
is
that
the
first
approach
in
preservation
is
so
that
you
repair
those
windows.
There
are
craftsmen.
Who
would
do
that
work,
or
perhaps
you
don't
know,
I'm
not
trying
to
suggest
if
you
don't
have
the
skills
to
do
it.
A
You
may
maybe
that
maybe
you're
interested
in
doing
that
yourself,
but
you
have
to
take
the
windows
out,
and
you
know
one
by
one:
do
the
you
know
do
the
renovation
to
that
windows,
but
I
I
really
don't
see
anything
in
your
application,
showing
that
more
than
half
the
windows
are
deteriorate
and
I'm
concerned
about
a
steel
door.
You
do
have
a
front.
A
porte-cochere
I
mean
a
porch
overhang,
so
there's
a
place
to
keep
water
off
that
door.
A
T
You
know
if
I
may
comment:
I'm
I'm,
Kelly's
uncle
Djokovic
I
live
in
Clearwater
Beach
and
after
she
took
ownership
of
the
home.
I
came
up
and
took
a
look
at
the
windows.
A
lot
of
them
had.
Did
she
snuck
in
them,
so
the
air
wouldn't
command
and
bugs
willing
to
men,
I,
actually
screwed,
several
of
them
shut
as
I
was
afraid
everything
to
fall
out.
T
I
was
there
when
the
first
window
replacement
company
came
and
basically
what
he
said
was
that
the
distance
at
home
is
from
the
water
requires
that
it
wouldn't
replacements,
be
done
with
hurricane
windows
and
the
same
thing
for
the
door.
I,
don't
believe
a
wood
door
would
satisfy
that
that
requirement
that
it
be
hurricane
hurricane,
but
she
has
ordered
windows
that
withstand
hurricanes
and
a
door
that
will
withstand
a
hurricane.
The
the
look
of
the
building
won't
be
any
different.
It's
gonna
be
exactly
the
same.
T
It's
just
it's
just
not
gonna
be
windows
that
were
taken
out
and
somebody
tries
to
fat
refabricate.
These
also
have
the
ropes
and
the
pulleys
in
the
walls.
None
of
those
operate
and
I
think
for
the
safety
of
the
occupants.
The
safety
of
the
neighborhood
should
be
much
better
off,
replacing
them
with
Windows
that
will
stand
hurricane
winds
and
a
door
that
would
as
well
they're
they're,
really
in
very
bad
condition.
A
You
guys
we've
been
pretty
attentive
to
Windows
I'm
looking
at
if
there's
a
deterioration.
We
all
understand
that
there's
a
chair,
a
shinto,
all
the
windows
beyond
the
point
where
they
can
be
fixed
but
I
I
mean
that
may
be
the
case.
I,
don't
I,
just
don't
see
it
in
this
application
and
I
would
also
note.
Everyone
seems
to
be
also
worried
about
hurricanes,
but
this
building,
according
to
the
master
site,
pile
was
built
in
1905
and
guess
what
all
the
windows
and
the
building
is
still
there.
A
We've
had
multiple
hurricane
since
1905,
so
there's
also
our
exceptions
in
the
building
code
for
historic
building.
So
it's
not
a
requirement
that
you
meet
the
historic
meet
the
hurricane
windows
for
historic
building.
I
mean
I'm
kind
of
struggling
because
I
really
don't
see
any
data
again.
A
lack
of
data
show
that
they're
deteriorated
and
therefore
need
to
be,
and.
E
Just
for
a
legal
clarification,
the
testimony
is
considered
evidence
whether
or
not
it's
substantial,
competent
and
raises
to
the
level
that
you
think
is
is
up
to
the
board.
Obviously,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
clarification
that
a
document
is
not
any
more
evidence
than
the
testimony.
It's
just
as
a
legal
reminder.
A
And
I
recognize
that
it's
easier
to
just
take
the
windows
out
and
put
in
a
new
window.
It
is
more
time
intensive
for
someone
to
repair
those
windows
or
repair
the
police,
but
it
can
be
done
and
it's
done
pretty
routinely,
there's
a
lot
of
good
historic
preservation
contractors
in
Tarpon,
because
they've
done
all
sorts
of
buildings
all
over
town,
including
the
house
that
I
live
in,
though
it's
it's
not
pretty.
Not
a
very
unusual
thing
to
have
that
those
windows.
D
D
A
D
F
Okay,
doors
are
addressed
on
page
36
of
your
guidelines.
Just
to
quickly
go
through
guideline
number.
One
is
that
the
door
should
shall
match
design
and
opening
of
the
original
door.
They
don't
know
that
the
door
that's
under
is
original
to
the
house,
but
it
doesn't
match
the
window
part
of
the
of
the
existing
door,
but
there
is
it's
a
solid
door
with
it
with
an
upper
window.
Historic
features
surrounding
the
door,
it
mentions,
glass,
block
and
other
non
historic
materials
should
not
be
used.
Okay,
so
that
did
not
apply
enlarging
door,
openings,
etc.
F
Talks
about
this
opening
that
is
not
being
done.
The
size
is
the
same
new
doors.
This
is
not
a
new
door
entrance
screen,
doors
are
discouraged,
there's
no
screen
door
proposed
and
it
talks
about
the
portico.
So
it
it
talks,
I,
guess
more
about
the
style,
size
placement,
those
sorts
of
things.
Just
looking
at
the
introduction,
there's
nothing
there
about
materials
as
well.
F
A
A
A
R
A
T
What
kind
of
evidence
would
you
like?
You
don't
know
what
maybe
I'd
like
to
say
this
first
I
know
I
know
anything
can
be
rebuilt,
I
mean
you.
Could
you
I'm
sure
you
could
find
a
craftsman
who
can
rebuild
anything
and
then
you'd
say
well
at
what
price?
What
cost?
So
it's
I'm,
not
a
I'm,
not
a
contractor,
but
you
know
I'm
I
know
these
windows
are
an
extremely
bad
shape,
will
be
very
difficult
to
to
redo
them.
So
you're,
looking
for
just
a
statement
from
a
contractor
saying
that.
T
T
A
You
can
do
more
than
one
photographic
think
it
helps
explain,
what's
going
on
and
then
and
then
come
back
as
if,
if
it's
denied
then
you're
gonna
have
to
you're,
not
gonna,
be
able
to
do
what
you
want
and
you
know
mate.
Maybe
we're
not
seeing
maybe
there's
more
evidence
there
that
we're
not
seeing
so.
T
T
A
A
4Th
February
4th
2019,
so
as
soon
as
you
can,
you
have
to
do
it
probably
the
next
week
or
so
get
those
take
the
photographs,
get
them
back
to
the
staff,
so
she
can
put
it
in
our
packet.
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
it
before
the
February
4th
and
then,
if
you
would
take
a
look
at
the
steel
issue,
I
mean
it's
up
to
you.
You
guys
can
decide
what
you
want
to
do.
Take
a
look
at
that.
A
A
F
The
applicant
is
basically
proposing
the
second
single-story
home
in
this,
basically
the
rear
yard.
If
you
will
of
this
property
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property,
it
would
be
behind
the
principal
structure.
The
principal
contributing
structuring
would
not
be
visible
from
East
tarpon
open
it
I'll
just
try
to
hit
the
highlights.
I've
got
quite
a
bit
of
information
in
the
staff
report.
As
far
as
the
the
proposed
structure
itself
relative
to
the
the
main
property
in
the
area,
the
proposed
overall
height
to
the
top
is
17
and
three-quarter
feet.
A
F
Its
proposed
to
be
in
the
backyard
or
behind
the
principal
residence
would
not
be
visible
from
east
harpin
Avenue,
either
with
respect
to
really
horizontally
or
vertically.
At
this
point,
it's
a
proposed
one-story
1059
square
foot
structure.
There
is
an
existing
small
garage
and
carport
at
the
southeast
corner
or
during
the
alley.
It's
a
shed
style.
Building
that
looks
there.
F
The
the
height
is
not
indicated
in
the
application,
I
judged
it
I
made
a
site
visit
and
judged
it
to
be
about
10
feet
high
with
the
peak
of
the
shed
roof
pointing
toward
the
alley
that
building
is
is
noted
as
a
1910
building
on
the
property
appraiser,
but
it
is
not
mentioned
on
the
master
site
file
form.
The
proposed
residence
is
proposed
as
as
to
appear
really
as
a
cottage
and
to
be
subordinate
in
scale
and
mass
to
the
principal
property.
F
Developed
will
it
mostly
with
backyards
some
kind
of
standard
sheds.
There
is
one
other
shed
style
building
at
the
East
End,
there's
a
light
industrial
project
going
up
at
the
east
end
of
this
alley.
This
Alley
is
in
the
transect
infill
district
of
the
city,
smart
area
plan
code,
so
it
is
some
an
environment
that
is
encouraged
really
to
infill
and
to
be
used.
That
code
encourages
the
alley
to
be
used.
This
residence
is
proposed
to
be
accessed
from
the
alley
and,
of
course,
your
guidelines
do
all
also
encourage
access
from
alleys.
F
For
these
types
of
properties,
the
building
is
new
construction.
The
building
itself,
as
your
guideline
state,
should
be
consistent
or
or
not,
interfere
with
the
district
and
with
the
main
property,
but
be
a
product
of
its
own
time.
It
does
use
kind
of
similar
basic
look
with
the
siding
metal,
roof
porches,
and
it's
got
some
simple
details,
shutters
and
railings
and
so
on.
So
that
is
judged
to
be
consistent
overall
with
the
character
of
the
I'm
district
and
with
with
the
main
principle
residents
again.
F
This
is
in
the
t4
age,
residential
retail
office,
transect
of
the
city's
transect
code,
and
at
this
time
it
appears
that
this
application
can
comply
with
the
standards
of
the
transect
code,
including
the
placement
coverage,
access,
parking
and
landscaping.
This
is
a
conditional
use
in
this
district,
so
the
applicant
will
need
to
take
the
next
step
in
obtaining
conditional
use.
Approval
then
move
on
to
a
building
permit
approval.
F
I,
don't
know
repeat
myself,
I
think
I
talked
about
the
details
of
the
proposal
and,
in
addition,
the
placement
itself
being
on
the
alley.
Also,
doesn't
your
interfere
really
with
the
property?
Overall,
there
is
still
a
substantial
rear
yard,
which,
at
the
current
time
is
heavily
landscaped,
but
it
doesn't
doesn't
crowd
the
main
house
at
all.
So
that
is
another
another
positive
feature
of
this
application.
F
The
building
does
meet
the
historic
standards
district
standards,
and
it
is
a
conditional
use,
as
I
mentioned,
will
need
to
comply
with
those
standards.
So
the
applicant
will
need
to
obtain
conditional
use.
Approval
staff
recommends
approval
of
this
application
with
the
understanding
and
condition
that
the
applicant
obtain
all
land
use,
approvals
and
building
permits
and
property
owners
within
200
feet
were
notified
and
there
were
no
responses.
F
The
transect
district
likes
buildings
to
be
close
to
for
lack
of
a
better
term
likes
infill,
so
the
setbacks
for
single-family
believe
it
or
not.
In
this
district
does
maximum
5
feet
from
side
yard,
minimum
from
at
5:00
from
alley
or
12
feet
from
the
alley
center
line.
As
I
mentioned,
it
appears
that
this
meets
those
setbacks.
There
will
be
a
more
substantial
site
plan
with
the
conditional
use
and
building
permit
approval,
but
it
appears
at
this
time
that
those
setbacks
can
be
met.
R
Hi
Stephanie
would
412
East
tarpon,
F,
otherwise
known
as
the
Thompson
Jukes
house.
This
is
my
brother-in-law
Fred
and
my
husband
is
out
of
town,
so
he
gave
permission
for
a
friend
to
talk
with
us
as
well.
So
we
moved
into
this
house
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
love.
It
love
the
neighborhood
Fred
and
my
husband's
mom
is
getting
older
in
age
they're,
the
two
sons.
So
we
wanted
to
bring
him
up
and
have
her
live
close
to
us.
R
So
the
best
solution
went
for
that
was
to
have
her
build
a
little
cottage
style
home
in
the
back
of
the
house.
It's
funny
the
architect
inside
out
group.
We're
working
with
cam
actually
did
the
original
drawings
back
in
I
think
was
1998
when
the
house
was
restored
and
taken
down
so
he's
really
happy
to
be
working
on
the
project.
Did
you
have
a
picture
and
I
thought
you
did
have
renderings
of
everything
of
all
the
materials
that
were
going
to
be
used.
R
G
O
A
More
flexibility
and
new
construction
with
materials,
and
there
is
on
things
like
the
size
of
the
windows.
All
that
looks
good,
but
you
know
and
you're
doing,
wood
siding
instead
of
party
board
or
you
know
all
the
other
million
terrible
things
you
could
do.
So
that's
good,
but
really
the
last
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
what
kind
of
windows
you
know
are
they
gonna
be
final
frame
or
wood.
A
A
R
A
R
A
A
D
E
Have
a
question
about
that?
Just
this
pragmatic
have
you
all
cleared
it
with
anyone
in
the
building
apartment
that
you
can
have
a
wood
door.
A
new
construction
building
I
mean
I,
know
you
can't
right,
but
just
something
to
think
about,
because,
while
the
last
application
we
talked
about
was
an
exception
historic
building
this
this
new
construction,
this.
G
E
A
historic
structure,
so
you
all
make
the
motion
that
you're
gonna
make
it's
just
something.
Maybe
the
board
wants
to
think
about
the
applicant
might
have
to
think
about.
If
not-
and
you
say
it's
the
wood
door
and
they
can't
put
a
wood
door,
then
they're
forced
to
come
back
before
you
again,
but
you
can
all
say:
I
mean
you
can
craft
your
motion
to
say:
wood
door
would
be
preferred
if
not
available,
then
whatever
so.
Obviously
you
guys,
you
know,
the
board
has
distressed
the
foot
conditions
on.
A
F
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
that
with
a
single
window
type
door
same
colored
surrounds
this
would
be
a
fiberglass
door,
I
believe
and
it
would
be
painted
to
match
the
the
existing
color
scheme.
This
store
proposes
a
single
pane,
there's
there's
a
this
1980s
edition
has
has
a
round
single
pane
window
in
the
second
story.
It's
got.
F
A
single
pane
kind
of
window
feature
I
compared
it
to
a
transom,
I,
guess
above
the
existing
double
doors,
so
the
single
pane
door
seems
like
it
would
be
consistent
with
that
existing
architecture
and
this
door
is
somewhat
visible
from
Orange
Street.
So
that
is
one
reason
that
it's
something
that
you're
looking
at.
It
is
not
visible
from
Springville
apart,
and
it
does
not
detract
from
or
take
away
from,
the
principal
structure
and
in
the
historic
architecture
of
the
principal
structure.
F
The
project
meets
the
historic
guidelines
and
meets
the
land
development
code
and
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application,
with
the
condition
that
the
applicant
obtained
all
required
building
permits.
There
were
no
responses
received
to
the
public
notification
for
this
application.
U
Hi
Michelle
Ryan,
36,
more
spin,
Boulevard.
Sorry
I
got
a
little
bit
of
a
cold,
so
we're
looking
to
replace
the
doors
they're.
Actually
the
second
set.
Since
we've
purchased
the
home
we
actually
when
we
moved
in,
we
notice
we're
getting
swelling
on
the
wood
door,
so
we
installed
a
gutter,
hoping
that
that
would
extend
the
longevity
of
these
doors.
They're,
just
a
standard
15
light
for
a
door.
They
didn't
hold
up,
they're,
actually
growing,
mushrooms
and
I
have
pictures
of
the
the
doors
that
we
had
their
previous
and
they
had
did
the
same
thing.
U
A
Just
wanna
say
that
this
is
my
neighbor
to
the
north.
It
there
these
doors
face
our
house,
it's
on
the
common
boundaries,
really
no
one
from
the
public
on
any
public
streets.
Gonna
see
it
my
opinion
that
is
significantly
different
than
some
of
the
other
applications
we
had
tonight.
It's
also
on
the
second
floor,
a
little
different
situation
than.
U
Where
we
want
and
we're
actually
gonna
use,
PVC
jams
and
PVC
brick
mold,
because
everything
is
rotting
trying
to
get
it
watertight,
it's
been
quite
defeat
since
we
purchased
the
home,
it's
been
a
total
renovation
and
a
lot
of
love
and
care
has
gone
back
into
the
house.
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
guys
have
noticed
the
difference
in
the
two
years.
M
M
A
A
F
F
F
Without
the
planning
director
here,
I
will
make
the
kind
of
call
that
we
could
go
forward
with
the
rest,
but
I
would
need
the
specifics
of
everything
within
the
next
day
or
two,
so
I
would
need
that
separated
out
application.
So
we
need
to
work
with
the
applicant
in
order
to
get
the
rest
of
it
ready
for
the
February
4th
meeting,
because
we're
on
a
short
turnaround
now.
A
F
But
normally
it
would
I
just
said:
I
would
would
make
the
call
and
let
it
come
back
I
think
we
need
a
new
separate
form.
It's
just
the
question
of
whether
the
fee
would
be
charged
because
yeah
I
think
it
would
be
a
new
application.
It's
not
on
this
postcard.
If
you
continue
this
I,
don't
I
would
Reno
tiss
this
item
with
a
new
postcard
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
choice
and
then
we
would
hear
it
all
as
one
as
one
project.
F
E
So
if
the
applicant
chooses
to
move
forward
on
the
noticed
items
this
evening,
then
whatever
the
board
decides
on
those
three
items
is
the
board
decision.
If
the
remainder
of
what
you
want
to
do
is
dependent
on
those
three
items
say,
this
is
gonna,
be
a
bad
example
but
say
you
know:
you're
gonna
redesign
the
window
for
the
outdoor
outdoor
bar
and
that
gets
denied
and
that
somehow
changes
what
you're
going
to
do
with
the
fence.
Understanding
those
are
not
connected.
E
E
What's
gonna
happen
from
there,
it
sounds
to
me
like
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
quick
turnaround
for
you
to
get
whatever
additional
information
needs
to
be
provided
for
the
next
meeting,
or
you
have
the
option,
as
we've
discussed
before,
to
take
everything
wholesale
and
just
move
it
to
the
next
meeting.
So
it's
completely.
G
H
E
Have
fence
doors
other
things
that
were
not
legally
noticed
from
a
legal
perspective
if
you
were
to
move
forward
with
it
in
an
effective
party,
came
forward
and
said:
I
was
okay
with
everything,
but
now
they're
putting
up
a
fence.
I
was
never
notified
that
there
was
gonna,
be
a
fence
put
up.
There
would
be
a
problem
there
because
there
wouldn't
have
been
noticed,
there's
a
lack
of
due
process
rights
to
that
person.
So.
N
E
A
legal
perspective,
my
advice
to
the
board
is
that
if
it
hasn't
been
properly
legally
noticed
because
that
January
9th
letter
came
in
after
the
post
parts
had
already
gone
out,
then
you
know:
if
the
board
chooses
to
proceed,
that's
fine,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
legal.
There
may
be
a
legal
complication
and
it's
not
following
due
process
rights
of
those
parties
that
may
be
affected
by
that,
and
that
is
my
advice
that
the
board
is
to
not
have
those
items
for
tonight
right.
B
A
Drawings
that
we
submitted
about
what
was
noticed
and
what
we're
not
going
to
argue
about,
though
I
am
only
willing
to
I'm
not
going
to
put
the
board
in
jeopardy
or
any
of
our
board
decisions
in
jeopardy,
because
we
decide
discuss
something
that
wasn't
notice
you
we
have
the
same
conversation
on
a
couple.
Other
applications
where.
E
A
Didn't
have
you
know
complete
applications
or
they
didn't
have
they
didn't
specify
something
we
moved
and
clarified.
Some
of
them
were
minor
enough
that
we
could
have
them
clarify
at
the
podium.
This
I
think
is
always
longer
beyond
that.
So
right,
you
know
you
guys
want
to
have
those
discuss,
just
those
three
things
and
have
them
have
a
discussion
and
a
motion
and
decision
on
those
we
can
do
that
or
you
can
come
back
on
February
4th
and
you
can
provide
extra
information
to
Mizpah
nice.
A
H
That
what
our
position
is
right
now
is
that
we
feel
that
those
were
the
main
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
were
noticed,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
give
you
a
presentation
of
the
overall
of
what
we
have
tonight
and
you
all
can
choose
what
what
you
think
are
those
three
items,
in
other
words
the
bar.
You
know
what
isn't
entailed
with
the
bar.
H
She
doesn't
mention
the
handrail,
but
the
bar
were
taking
away
the
bar
handrail,
that's
there
and
that's
all
part
of
the
bar
issue,
so
we're
making
more
of
a
conventional
bar.
So
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
present
to
you
all
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
then
you
all
say
well,
we'll
approve
this
this
and
this
that
we
feel
we're
properly
noticed
and
and
then
could
you
come
back
and
give
us
because
in
other
words
we
can,
we
can
move
forward
with
our
drawings,
based
on
your
approval
of
those
three
things.
H
E
The
and
the
original
application
itself
only
requested
the
three
windows.
So
if
any
member
of
the
public
came
me
at
the
packet
and
looked
at
the
application,
the
application
itself
only
requested
that
the
three
windows
be
replaced.
So
that's
kind
of
where
my
concern
was
with
the
notice,
legally
speaking,
where
the
notices
so.
A
The
only
application
that
says
description
will
work.
We
would
like
to
install
three
windows
on
the
front
of
the
home.
These
windows
would
be
single
pane
and
be
able
to
be
open
to
serve
as
a
bar
for
the
restaurant.
The
design
would
be
from
the
time
period,
the
home
restaurant
all
a
lot.
So
that's
all
that
was
listed.
A
E
Right
which
people
generally
do
if
they've
got
a
whole
project
and
they're
doing
it
piecemeal,
so
the
the
plans,
while
they
may
have
other
things
on
it,
the
application
only
specified
that
now
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
going.
What
was
on
the
postcard
because
it
was
otherwise
advertised
so
that
that
is
fine
from
a
legal
notice
perspective.
If
I
might
say
you
know,
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
you
presenting
the
whole
shebang
and
then
having
the
board
pick
and
choose.
A
F
You
refer
to
page
2
of
the
staff
report,
I'm,
not
sure
the
number
of
these
items,
but
the
one.
The
first
one
page
2
of
the
staff
report
proposal
to
remove
the
upper
portion
of
the
portion
of
the
octagonal
bay
tower
and
put
in
the
windows
and
install
a
service
counter
along
the
edge
at
the
bottom.
That
is,
the
windows
and
the
bar
and
then
third
from
the
bottom.
Install
new
entrance
and
new
patio
at
the
front
was
berthed
pavers.
That
was
also
on
the
postcard.
The
rest
of
it
was
not
specifically
on
the
postcard.
T
A
M
H
A
A
T
V
I'm
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
but
I
can't
move
forward
with
drawings
and
I
still
have
a
loan
in
place,
I'm
still
paying
on
a
loan
which
is
up
to
a
million
dollars
now
so
I
do
have
a
family
I
do
have
to
make
money
and
I
understand
the
process
of
this,
but
there
is
a
lot
at
stake
with
this
in
place.
This
is
very
huge.
I
love,
what's
going
on
with
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
I've
been
involved
with
revamped
cities.
V
You
can
any
New
Orleans
after
Katrina
Benton,
Harbor
Michigan.
You
can
look
it
up.
The
Arts
District
I've
been
involved
with
this
type
of
city
development,
so
I
am
very
aware
of
the
procedures
that
go
in
place,
but
the
reason
we
want
to
present
this
because
I
think
you'll
be
very
impressed
with
what
we
have
in
place.
What
we're
going
to
do,
and
not
only
will
this
restaurant
be
the
talk
of
this.
V
Our
city
and
I'll,
say
ours,
because
that's
gonna
be
the
name
of
the
restaurant
as
well,
because
it
is
ours
but
it'll
be
talked
about
through
Tampa
Bay
and
with
help
of
ed
Hoffman.
Here
and
Hoffman
architects,
you're
gonna,
you're,
gonna
love
it.
So
what
we're
talking
about
when
you
say
the
bar
door
and
patio?
Those
are
three
main
components
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
this
actual
restaurant
and
what
we're
going
to
do
so.
We
can
rule
on
that.
But
you
know
when
we
talk
fence,
as
ed
was
talking
about.
V
You
know
before
that
can
come
back
later,
but
you
know
well
you're
going
through
this.
What
he's
trying
to
get
at
is
that
this
is
the
drawings
you're
gonna
see
what's
going
on,
but
we
can
still
rule
on
the
bar.
The
windows
and
the
patio
I
mean
that's,
that's
it's
gonna,
be
in
in
plain
sight
day.
You'll
will
see
it.
So
that's
what
we're
talking
about.
So
there
is
a
lot
at
stake
and
that
three
weeks
does
make
a
huge
difference
to
me.
A
V
Date
to
close
is
February
to
close
early,
but
we
do
have
the
laws
I've
been
talking
about
is
for
renovation
money
that
I'm
not
yet
able
to
use
and
I
had
to
push
the
closing
date
back,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
this
was
in
place.
First,
that's
why!
So
if
we
go
into
February
long
so
yeah,
that's
it
well
pass
it
on
ty,
okay,.
A
Just
if
you
start
drifting
and
giving
us
too
much
information
about
stuff,
then
we're
not
gonna
make
a
decision
on
tonight.
I'm
gonna
cut
you
off
cuz
it's
8:30
at
night
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
cases
tonight
and
we
still
have
conversations
and
we're
gonna
have
the
same
conversation
next
month.
So
please
I
understand
that
you
want
to
keep
it
in
contact
but
treat
and
limit
that
part
of
it.
If
you
can.
G
H
A
A
You're
gonna
have
something
different
that
you
want
to
submit
to
the
staff
as
a
revised
application.
I'm
all
fine
with
that,
but
cannot
expect
this
on
the
fly
to
be
dealing
with
changes
on
a
major
project.
It's
really
not
fair!
That's
you
want
to
talk
about
the
kit.
What
you
submitted
the
package
that
we
have
right
here
that
is
dated
12
7
18
I'm,
happy
to
hear
it.
H
H
What
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
the
building
more
visible.
We
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
overview
context,
and
then
you
can
say:
go
jump
in
a
lake,
so
we're
trying
to
make
right
now.
The
building
is
very
close,
very
that
they
put
in
this
crazy,
high
handrail
for
the
bar.
They
they
have
this
extra
roof
piece.
It
was
for
a
signage
and
also
it's
there's.
No
windows,
there's
nothing
welcoming
at
all
from
Tarpon
Avenue
side,
it's
very
blanked
off.
H
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
a
more
welcoming,
particularly
from
Tarpon
Avenue,
a
welcoming
thing
to
invite
you
in
what
we
had.
What
the
presentation
that
we
were
originally
doing
was
that
we
were
opening
up
that
Center
turret
to
become
the
bar
with
the
windows.
That's
the
bar
and
windows
that
we're
discussing
in
this.
The
the
question
is
still
the
bar
in
the
windows,
but
we
were
going
to
put
a
front
door
well
and
make
a
front
door
entry.
H
So
we
have
a
focused
entry
from
the
street
and
not
have
this
hideaway
type
of
a
project.
So
we've
moved
the
bar
over
to
the
side
underneath
the
little
porch
that's
already
there.
So
we
would
not
be
adding
any
additional
thing.
So
that
is
a
bar
discussion.
So
so
I'm
not.
You
know
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
whether
you're
going
to
hear
that
a
bar
discussion.
A
F
Fairly
substantial
difference
at
the
front,
one
of
the
major
items
is
replacement
of
those.
It
was
three
of
the
octagonal
wall
panels
partially
with
Windows.
Would
you
like
to
discuss
the
replacement
of
it?
Looks
like
you
wish,
or
two
of
those
windows
to
go
in?
Would
you
like
to
get
to
discuss
those
with
with
them
and
I
would
ask
if
the
drawings
that
the
board
has
now
renderings
that
were
des
now
still
or
still
represent
the
configuration
of
the
individual
windows
and
see
what
the
board
will
do
with
those
windows?
F
The
patio
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
without
looking,
it
might
be
a
slightly
different
configuration
I
mean
you
could
do
the
patio
as
well,
but
that
might
be
something
I
don't
know.
If
that's
something
you
could
wait
on,
but
the
windows
might
be
something
you
want
to
go
forward
with
and
just
talk
about
the
windows
and
see
what
happens
with
the
windows.
That's
just
a
suggestion
because
you
do
have
in
your
original
packet
a
representation
of
how
the
window
fence
into
the
octagonal
Tower
panel.
A
A
Different
than
what
you
submitted
to
us
so
I
think
the
best
course
of
action
board.
Let
me
know
if
I'm
speaking
out
of
turn
I
think
you
need
to
come
back
on
February
4th
with
whatever
package.
This
is
the
real
package.
You
want
I'm
happy
to
review
that
package.
Let
the
staff
have
a
chance
to
review
it.
I
mean
everything
the
major
part
of
the
windows
and
where
the
bars
going
are
totally
different
in
this
package
than
what
we
got
in
our
what
you're
submitting
tonight.
A
D
A
If
it
sounds
like,
y'all
are
still
making
some
tweaks
to
it
and
that's
fine
we're
you
know
we're
open
to
you
guys
making
those
changes,
because
this
is
a
pretty
big
difference
from
what
we
got
in
our
packet.
But
let's
see
the
whole
thing,
let's
notice
everything
and
let's
take
a
look
at
it
as
a
whole,
when
my
opinion
I,
think
you're
gonna
get
a
bad
read
on
some
individual
items,
one
by
one
without
the
whole,
without
the
whole
thing,
I
think
personally,
I
there's
probably
some
things.
A
G
A
M
G
A
A
A
A
A
Motion
passed,
the
support
is
zero.
I
know
it's
late,
but
I
just
want
to
something
really
quick
to
everyone's
attention
and
I'd
like
the
acid.
We
not
to
talk
about
it
tonight,
but
just
to
put
it
on
the
February
meeting.
Hopefully
we
don't
have
too
long
on
the
agenda
when
remember
the
case
that
we
were
talking
about.
A
That
was
the
garage
in
the
back
and
the
appeal,
and
so
I
was
just
looking
at
that
section
of
the
code
about
the
appeals
and
I
found,
but
the
code
says
that
you
can
only
appeal
a
denial,
those
folks
that
were
opposed
to
that
case.
We
at
the
board
approved
it,
so
they
could
not
don't
have
any
ability
to
appeal.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
board
discussions,
one
with
the
one
that
made
me
think
of
it
as
the
house.
It's
on
they
built
a
garage
in
the
back.
A
Anyway,
the
board
approved
the
garage
the
neighbors
have
come.
There
came
three
or
four
meetings
concerned
about
it
and
so
without
getting
into
the
merits
of
the
case
it
just
what
bothered
me
was
we
had
been
telling
them.
I
had
been
telling
them
well,
if
you
had
appealed
that
within
the
time
frame,
but
the
time
frame
is
now
gone
well,
actually
they
can't
appeal,
because
the
code
is
that
you
can
only
appeal
a
denial,
so
it
just
seems
on
its
face
to
me:
unfair
I
just
want
to
have
a
conversation
and
Miss.
A
Well,
we
appreciate
your
comments
next
month
too,
but
I
just
think
I'd
like
us
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit.
Maybe
we
can
include
that
section
of
the
code,
nice.
Let's
talk
about
that
and
see,
if
maybe
a
code
amendments
needed
it
seems
it
seems
odd.
To
me
I
know
it's
really
late
and
everybody's,
probably
pretty
hungry.
D
D
E
E
Legal
notice
requirement.
Yes,
so
while
your
rules
of
procedure
allow
for
the
calling
the
professional
meeting
and
there's
a
special
procedure
for
that,
it
has
to
be
in
writing
by
three
members
of
the
board
and
then
approved
by
the
clerk
or
their
designee.
It
has
to
be
24
hours,
advance
notice,
so
you
could
do
that,
but
then
there's
also
the
statutory
requirements
and
the
code
requirements
for
public
hearing
notice
this
and
you
may
run
into
an
issue
with
that.
It's
something
that
you
think
you
might
want
to
do.
E
Obviously
we
need
to
be
very
cognizant
of
you
know
not
this.
You
want
to
call
special
meeting.
You
can
talk
to
each
other
about
that,
just
not
whatever
the
content
of
the
meeting
is
going
to
be.
Obviously
you
don't
want
to
violate
sunshine,
but
it
would
probably
be
best
going
to
the
board
secretary
shooting
her
an
email,
saying,
I
think
we
need
to
call
a
special
meeting
on
this.
Then
she
can
send
an
email
out
the
board
and
individually
without
copying
or
hitting
reply.
All
you
can
all
yes.
N
E
D
To
discuss
this
but
I
know
we're
all
tired
and
we
we
want
to
leave,
but
I
wanted
to
discuss
this
just
kind
of
to
advocate
on
the
part
of
the
applicant,
because
I
understand
where
he
seems
to
be
coming
from,
but
also
it
sound
to
me
unless
I
misunderstood
here.
The
noticing
issue
was
that
an
error
on
the
part
of
staff
for
not
noticing
that
or
was
it
because
he
submitted
the
application
late.
D
F
I,
don't
want
to
say,
error,
I
guess
it
was
an
error
part
of
the
problem
we've
discussed
this
internally.
Is
we
get
an
application?
It
didn't
have
a
narrative.
Originally,
it
just
said
replace
windows
and
it
had
drawings
the
day
we
get
that
and
we
have
to
send
a
postcard
out
the
following
week.
We
have
not
done
a
detailed
review
right
yet
right
that
we
either
need
to.
F
We've
talked
about
starting
some
sort
of
completeness
review,
which
adds
another
step.
I,
don't
know
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
add
a
whole
lot
more
time
lead
time
for
these
applicants.
If
we
can
help
it
and,
as
you
all
know,
yeah
we're
one
staff
person
sure
it
happened
for
six
months
and
it's
part
of
the
issue.
I
mean
this
packet.
I
worked
on
last
Wednesday
night
and
I
missed
the
minutes.
Yeah.
G
F
D
A
I
think
that's
unusual.
We
don't
normally
have
that
many
cases.
That's
kind
of
an
usually
have
two,
sometimes
three.
My
concern
about
doing
a
special
meeting
is
we
still
got
to
do
the
notice
and
we
still
got
to
give
her
time
to.
In
this
case,
we
still
got
to
give
her
time
to
review
it.
So
you're,
probably
pretty
close
to
anyway
yeah.
F
E
D
E
D
E
In
February,
the
ability
to
call
a
special
meeting
you're
still
running
into
the
legal
notice
require,
but
in
the
future,
if
that
you
know
if
that
kind
of
thing
comes
up,
like
I
said:
yes,
you
had
the
ability
to
do
it,
maybe
more
it
would
be,
for
we
want
to
talk
about
the
guidelines
and
really
get
in
depth.
We
don't
want
to
do
that
a
meeting.
Maybe
we
call
a
workshop,
but
we
call
it
a
special
meeting.
Fine,
but
in
this
case
you're
running
up
against
legal
notice
require.
E
A
E
And
in
a
motion,
and
in
most
cases
when
you're
talking
about
you
know
if
it
wasn't
a
quasi
judicial
decision,
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
it,
because
you
can
give
as
little
as
24
hours
notice
the
public
or
something
like
that.
But
this
is
a
public
hearing
that
is
positive.
Additional.
That
requires
evidence.
Yes,
that's
a
different
notice
standard.
That's
that's!
Not
the
traditional
20,
okay,
sure
24
to
48
hours
was
fine.
This
is
something
that
needs
it
has
statutory
notice
requirements
and
local
code
ordinance
so
again
in
the
future.
E
F
A
E
P
M
N
E
Center
at
or
at
the
pleasure
of
the
board
I
just
wanted
to
make.
We
have
a
pretty
consistent.
You
guys
are
usually
here,
but
in
case
somebody
misses
for
tonight
and
is
that
the
next
meeting
there
are
guidelines
within
your
rules
of
procedure
that
state
you
can
hear
and
vote
on
being
the
continued
application.
As
long
as
you
go
back
and
watch
the
video
or
read
the
transcript,
but
we
don't
have
a
transcript,
so
you
have
to
listen
to
the
recording
or
watch
the
video
from
the
previous
meeting.
E
So
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that
because
again,
within
the
last
few
months,
we've
had
a
lot
of
continued
applications.
So
if
you
are
not
present
at
a
meeting-
and
there
is
a
continued
application-
and
you
have
not
already
done
that-
then
you
cannot
participate
in
the
discussion
or
the
vote.
So
you
need
to
go
back
and
watch
that
you
know,
and
that
should
be
reflected
in
the
minute
that
something
was
continued,
but
you
may
want
to
take
it
upon
yourself
this
day,
I
missed
the
last
meeting.