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F
Sure
so
tonight
we
have
a
final
draft
of
our
design
guidelines.
We
were
working
on
for
some
time
and
we
have
the
McLaughlin
here
and
Caitlin
first
are
from
jmt
know:
we've
been
working
with
them
on
these
guidelines
and
what
they're
going
to
do
is
just
present
and
go
through
the
guidelines
and
kind
of
highlight
the
what
you
have
before
you
and
then
so.
I
would
say
that
they
should
do
their
presentation
and
then
maybe
let's
hear
the
board
time.
It's
Laura,
if
you
think
that's
acceptable
kind
of
go
around.
F
It
have
board
comments
and
questions
for
scenario,
Kaitlin
and
then
take
the
public
comment
and,
of
course,
the
board.
Obviously
if
they
want
to
wrap
up
with
anything
suggestions,
anything
that
they
want
to
comment
on
question
or
see,
we
can
do
that
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
talk
about
where
we
go
from
here.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
have
Sara
and
Caitlin
go
ahead
and
present
the
guidelines
said:
I
think
you're
gonna,
try
sharing
your
screen
right,
sir
I
am.
C
Can
you
hear
me
first
of
all:
am
I
unmuted
now
yeah?
Okay?
Yes,
okay,
hi
everyone!
This
is
real
weird!
It
does
not
matter
how
many
video
conferences
I
do.
It
is
real
strange,
so
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
we
are
having
some
pretty
serious
storms
rolling
through
here.
So
if
you
hear
thunder
earth
I
lose
power,
Caitlin
is
here
to
kind
of
take
over
as
well,
so
I
am
gonna,
see
if
I
can
share
my
screen.
D
C
We
see
it
the
design
review
guideline
manual,
okay,
so
and
which
I'm
sure
everyone
has
seen
by
now,
and
my
intention
right
now
is
not
to
go
through
this
page
by
page
to
go
over
every
little
detail,
it's
to
kind
of
take
a
more
holistic
approach
and
just
kind
of
going
over
the
guidelines
and
how
they're
used
and
to
really
take
questions
from
all
of
you
to
see.
You
know
as
your
chance
to
kind
of
get
some
additional
help.
So
the
first
thing
I'm
gonna
do
I.
Just
I
really
want
to
point
out.
C
C
It
is
my
belief
and
I'll
get
into
this
in
a
little
bit
when
we
talk
about
the
actual
guidelines,
but
look
at
the
project
on
a
hole
as
opposed
to
just
what's
in
front
of
you,
you
want
to
evaluate
how
each
project
is
going
to
affect
the
building.
As
a
whole,
but
they're
there
guidelines
they're
there
to
help
to.
H
C
Of
keep
some
sort
of
consistency
in
your
decision-making
and
to
give
you
something
to
turn
to.
If
somebody
questions
your
decision
and
say
well,
it's
in
our
guidelines,
and
maybe,
while
you
you
all,
did
have
guidelines
before
they
were
pretty
minimal,
and
this
is
this
flow
guidelines
came
in
at
238
pages,
so
hopefully
there's
enough
information
in
here
to
help
everyone
to
get
you
all
through
some.
Some
questions
really.
The
first
three
chapters
are
our
background.
It's
not
something
that
everyone
is
gonna
have
to
refer
to
all
the
time.
C
It's
something
you
want
to
read
through
and
know.
That's
there
and
understand
the
information,
that's
included,
but
it's
not
something
that
you're
going
to
be
referring
to
regularly.
A
lot
of
this
is
also
as
board
members.
You
understand
what
the
purpose
of
design
guidelines
are.
So
a
lot
of
this
is
for
the
the
public
as
well,
but
I.
C
Definitely,
you
know
definitely
read
through
all
of
this
in
the
beginning,
breaks
down
the
how
we
set
up
the
guidelines
and
again
a
lot
of
this
is
for
the
public,
because,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
people
when
they
hear
historic
districts,
they
hear
guidelines,
they
get
really
amped
up,
and
we
want
them
to
understand
that
there
are
benefits
to
preservation.
It's
we're
not
just
they're,
trying
to
tell
people
how
to
do
things
and
what
to
do
with
their
property.
C
So
hopefully
the
public
will
take
this
and
read
it
and
take
it
in
as
well
and
kind
of
you
know,
learn
some
things.
We
have
a
district
or
a
history
of
the
district
in
Tarpon
Springs.
It's
very
it's
it's
not
a
whole
history
of
the
town.
It's
again,
it's
we
only
wanted
to
put
in
here
what
is
going
to
be
relevant
to
people
who
are
using
the
guidelines.
Do
they
need
to
know
the
whole
district
of
the
town?
C
Not
necessarily,
let's
just
give
them
the
district
for
the
history
of
the
district,
which
all
of
that
works
to
shape
the
guidelines,
because
the
history
shapes
the
building
styles,
the
building
styles
shape
the
materials
and
materials
shape
the
guidelines.
So
it's
it's
all
interconnected.
That
way,.
C
C
So
it'll
give
you
some
context,
as
just
for
your
your
greater
understanding
it'll,
give
you
some
context
of
okay,
so
in
the
1920s,
this
was
going
on
in
Tarpon
Springs,
and
that's
why
there
are
so
many
of
this
style
of
structure,
so
that
takes
up
a
couple
of
pages
boundaries
of
the
historic
district
which
I'm
sure
you
you
all
know.
But
again,
a
lot
of
this
is
also
for
the
public
information
about
all
of
you,
which,
again
you
all
you
all
know
this
I
I
think
most
regularly.
This
is
where
you're
going
to
start.
C
Referring
to
these.
This
document
is
the
the
style
guide.
We
talk
about
the
type
of
buildings
and
their
forms
versus
architectural
style,
and
we
only
talk
about
styles
that
they're
present
in
Tarpon
Springs.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
styles
in
here.
That
are
not
in
Tarpon
Springs
that
that
doesn't
make
all
that
much
sense
in
the
long
run
again.
This
is
mostly
for
the
public
information
about
their
Florida
master
site
files.
C
My
assumption
is
that
most
of
the
public
does
not
know
what
that
is,
and
they
probably
don't
know
that
there
is
one
under
their
building
in
the
district.
So
we
wanted
to
give
them
an
understanding
of
what
it
is
and
what
information
they
can
get
there,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
are
not
going
to
have
a
clue
about
what
our
character
defining
features
of
their
building
or
what?
C
C
So
this
again,
these
these
are
discussing
as
far
as
the
styles
go,
the
forms,
let's
I'm
gonna,
skip
to
the
Styles,
the
the
Styles,
the
drawings
and
the
photos
that
you
see
here
are
mostly
what
we
call
high
style
and
that's
based.
That's
like
the
epitome
of
an
example
of
a
style
of
a
building.
So
just
because
a
house
is
gonna
be
a
frame
vernacular
house
that
does
not
mean
that
it's
going
to
have
all
of
these
characteristics.
C
If
there
is
a
house
of
all
these
characteristics,
that
would
be
a
high
style
frame
vernacular
building.
So
it's
it's,
unfortunately,
not
very
cookie
cutter.
You
have
to
kind
of
look
at
the
the
most
if
it
has
ten
Queen
Anne
elements,
and
you
know
five
bungalow
elements,
you
kind
of
weigh
it
out
and
see
where
you
sit.
C
Not
everything
is
going
to
be
cookie
cutter,
because
how
often
does
a
house
a
beautiful,
Queen
Anne,
come
to
somebody's
into
somebody's
belonging
and
then
or
you
know,
a
hundred
years,
the
people
keep
up
with
it.
They
don't
put
vinyl
siding
on
it.
They
don't
cover
up.
You
know
the
balustrade,
so
it's
it's
not
cookie
cutter,
but
it
it'll
give
you
enough
of
the
ideas
of
the
details
that
each
style
includes.
So
you
should
have
an
idea
of
what
to
look
for
the
way
this
is
set
up.
C
So
just
try
to
keep
in
mind
that
it's
you
know.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
cookie
cutter,
different
kinds
of
vernacular
and
again
the
the
document
is
set
up
the
same
way
for
each
style,
I'm
going
to
Gothic
Revival.
There's
a
couple
of
styles
in
here
that
there
are
very
few
examples
and
Tarpon
Springs
this,
the
neo-byzantine,
the
Chur,
the
greek
church
they're
in
there,
because
they
are
in
Tarpon
Springs,
but
there's
not
a
vast
selection,
a
vast
catalog
of
those
style
structures.
C
Okay,
so
once
somebody
understands
the
style
of
their
building,
they're
gonna
go
to
the
guidelines,
which
are
very
extensive
because
we
want
to
cover
as
many
different
different
scenarios
as
possible
right,
but
we
also
can't
paint
somebody
into
a
corner
which
is
where
you
know
a
lot
of
your
knowledge
and
understanding
is
gonna.
Come
in.
C
This,
the
electronic
version
will
be
hyperlinked.
So
if
you're
looking
at
the
table
of
contents-
and
you
say-
I
need
information
about
how
to
preserve
historic,
significant
features,
you
can
click
on
that
in
the
table
of
contents
and
a
little
jump
to
this
page
in
the
document.
So
there's
not
going
to
be,
you
know.
Obviously,
if
you
have
a
paper
document,
there's
gonna
be
flipping,
but
not
on
the
electronic
version.
C
C
We
can't
say
your
your
bowden
from
doing
something,
but
we
can
say
this
is
an
this
is
not
an
appropriate
solution,
try
doing
X
or
Y.
Instead,
we
tried
to
give
you
those
kind
of
options
as
often
as
we
could,
and
then
it
just
goes
through
the
different
parts
of
the
buildings.
If
you
know,
if
somebody
is
reciting
their
house,
what
type
of
siding
is
acceptable?
C
That's
set
that
says
you
know
if
the
building
is
X
feet
by
wifey,
the
you
know,
new
exterior
or
the
new
output
building
can
be.
You
know
XP
by
Y
feet
it
it's
very.
It's
going
to
be
a
very
visual
thing.
The
important
thing
to
remember
there
is
you:
don't
want
the
out
building
to
overpower
the
existing
structure.
The
existing
structure
is
the
historic
building.
It's
what
was
there
so
anything
else
that
goes
on.
That
piece
of
land
needs
to
be
secondary
to
the
original
structure.
You
know
you
don't
want
it.
I
know
this
is.
C
This
is
gonna,
be
a
bad
example,
because
I
know
that
you
don't
regulate
paint,
but
you
don't
want
somebody
to
put
you
know
on
a
property
and
a
parcel
that
has
a
one-story
house,
you
don't
want
somebody
put
a
two-story
garage
and
paint
it
bright,
green.
When
the
house
is
one-story
brown
building.
There
needs
to
be
some
balance
between
that
and
it
needs
to
be
clear
that
this
other
building
is
secondary
to
the
first
building
going.
C
H
C
What
I
want
to
stress
is
that
it
is.
It
is
more
important
what
the
window
will
look
like
in
the
structure
than
it
is
what
the
material
is
as
an
absolute
bottom
line.
So,
if
you're
looking
this,
this
page
I
have
up
right
now
that
has
this
diagram
of
Windows.
That
are
what
we
call
three
over
one
there's
three
panes
of
glass
on
the
top
one
pane
of
glass
on
the
bottom.
C
If
you
have
a
bungalow
that
has
all
original
three
over
one
windows
and
they
come
to
you
and
they
say
we
want
to
replace
our
windows
there.
They're
gonna
be
one
over
one
white
vinyl
windows,
not
a
great
option.
They
come
to
you
and
say
we're
gonna,
replace
them
with
three
over
one
white
vinyl
better
option.
C
Overall.
How
is
that
window
going
to
look
in
the
building
versus
the
material?
So
for
this,
the
makeup
of
the
window,
the
number
of
panes
how
it's
designed
is
going
to
be
more
important
than
the
vinyl.
If
you
have
a
Queen
Anne
house,
that's
you
know
happens
to
be
painted
a
darker
color
and
somebody
comes
in
and
says
we're
gonna
put
bright
white
vinyl
one
over
one
windows
in
maybe
that's
a
problem.
C
Maybe
you
do
dark
vinyl
windows
or
metal
windows,
or
ideally,
wood
windows,
but
we
know
that
people
don't
always
want
to
go
with
the
wood
windows.
So
just
again
there
are
no
cookie
cutter
answers
and
the
best
solution,
I
can
say,
is
to
look
at
it
as
a
whole.
So
it's
not
so
much
vinyl
or
excuse
me
vinyl
or
aluminum.
It's
the
material
versus
the
whole
of
the
project
and
the
structure.
You
don't
want
to
look
at
the
structure
and
also
that
whoa
those
windows
do
do
not
go
with
that.
E
Sarah
yeah
I
was
probably
one
of
the
ones
that
brought
up
the
comments
about
the
vinyl
windows.
The
most
and
I
know
a
lot
about
them,
but
manufacturing
wise.
They
have
the
same
specs
as
an
aluminum
window.
I
was
just
concerned
about
the
group
having
a
negative
impression
of
the
vinyl
when
you
can
get
the
vinyl
in
almost
any
color.
C
E
C
E
C
B
C
B
C
Okay,
so
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
the
the
first
is
to
always
do
wood
windows
replace
wood
with
what,
if
you
can,
then,
if
you
can't
again,
you
know
you're
just
you're
evaluating
the
material
versus
the
configuration
of
the
window
and
the
color
you
you
want
something.
That's
going
to
look
as
close
to
the
original
as
possible.
Hey.
E
B
D
B
D
As
the
chair,
you
have
the
absolute
right
to
run
the
meeting
as
you
see
fit
just
that
that
agenda.
Those
are
those
those
staff
comments
board
comments.
Those
are
more
for,
like
general
comments,
not
a
reference
to
this.
So
it's
up
to
you
how
you
want
to
do
the
presentation
whether
you
want
to
have,
but
don't
you
think
you
need
to
be
beholden
to
that
cuz.
That's
not
exactly
what
that
means.
Okay,.
B
E
B
C
So
similarly,
similar,
similarly
doors
are
another
thing
that
I
know,
review
boards
get
a
lot
of,
and
doors
doors
are
kind
of
a
little
bit
trickier
because
there
are
not
set
door
styles
for
each
architectural
style.
It's
it
will
come
with
an
understanding
of
the
style,
simpler,
the
style
of
the
building,
the
simpler
the
door
you
want.
C
There
are
so
many
different
types
of
doors,
panel,
doors
doors,
with
one
big
window
doors
with
no
one,
no,
no
in
all
panels
and
different
materials.
Again,
you
don't
necessarily.
If
you
are
living
in
a
simple
minimal,
traditional
house,
you
don't
want
to
put
an
ornate
window
or
an
excuse
me
an
ornate
door
with
a
huge
window.
That's
etched
with
you
know
all
these
designs
on
it.
It
doesn't.
C
It's
not
gonna,
go
with
the
overall
feel
of
the
structure,
so
that's
more
of
kind
of
understanding
the
styles
and
the
more
the
fine-tuned
characteristics
of
each
style
as
far
as
whether
they
are
more
ornate
and
versus.
Not
so
it's
again
I
keep
saying
this,
but
it's
it's
not
cookie
cutter!
There's!
No!
If
you
have
this
type
of
style
house,
you
have
to
put
in
the
style
door,
just
keep
in
mind
to
look
at
the
larger
overall
result
of
the
application
on
the
building.
C
When
it's
done,
if
it's
going
to
throw
the
building
off
completely,
then
it's
probably
not
a
great
idea.
If
you
can
see
that
for
that
specific
door
on
that
house,
look
at
it
and
say:
okay,
that
makes
sense.
Then
then
it's
probably
okay,
that's
the
guidances
again,
there's
so
many
different
styles
of
doors
and
there's
not
really
a
contemporary
style
door
or
a
bungalow
style
door.
There's
characteristics
that
make
it
fit
for
those
types
of
houses,
but
again
it'll
come
with
time
and
and
I,
don't
want
to
say
studying,
but
education.
C
So
again,
there's
you
know
we
bundled
the
different
topics
for
the
you
know:
doors
under
doors,
transom
inside
lights
are
gonna,
be
under
doors,
and
we
tried
to
give
you
as
many
you
know.
Don't
try
not
to
do
this,
or
this
is
your
best
option
to
give
you
as
many
different
opportunities
to
present
the
public
with
different
solutions,
as
you
could.
C
C
They
I
think
there's
only
one
photo
in
here,
that's
not
from
Tarpon
Springs,
but
it's
good
for
people
to
understand
what
they're
looking
at,
but
we
find
that
local
local
examples
are
are
the
best
way
to
do
that
again.
Try
to
give
you
as
many
diagrams
as
we
can
things
can
get
confusing.
If
someone
is
talking
about
a
soffit
or
a
fashio.
What,
if
you
don't
know
what
that
means,
it's
helpful
more
helpful
to
see
it
drawn
for
again
for
both
for
you
all
and
for
the
public.
C
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
as
much
of
that
as
we
could.
We
can
squeeze
in
here
and
we
talked
about
a
bunch
of
residential
topics,
and
then
we
move
on
to
commercial
properties
because
they're,
obviously
our
commercial
properties
in
your
district
as
well
kind
of
giving
you
and-
and
this
is
a
good
example
of
what
I
was
just
talking
about
when
I
meant,
if
you
once
the
project
is
done.
C
If
you
kind
of
have
it
in
your
in
your
vision,
and
you
can
see
it
when
it's
done,
does
it
look
like
it's,
it
fits
or
does
it
not
look
like
it
fits
because,
obviously,
on
this
top
illustration,
this
does
not
look
like
an
appropriate
addition
to
this
building,
but
the
bottom
one
does.
So.
That's
you're,
really
just
looking
look
at
the
the
project
holistically
versus
the
one
tiny
project.
That's
before
you.
If
it
is
a
small
project,
that's
before
you
so
there's
different,
there's
different
guidelines
for
commercial
versus
residential.
C
There
are
some
that
that
carry
across
for
both,
but
you
know
the
storefront
windows
you're
not
really
gonna
find
on
Residential's
upper
storey
windows.
So
we
tried
to.
We
tried
to
break
it
down
as
much
as
possible
and
I.
Don't
think
that
someone
is
going
to
come
to
you
with
an
application
for
something
that
you
have
is
not
covered
in
here.
Somehow,
hopefully,
that
is,
that's
not
gonna
happen.
C
Cuz,
we've,
we've
done
a
bunch
of
these,
and
so
far
we've
had
we
haven't
missed
anything
I,
don't
think
so
lighting
and
again
there's
no
there's,
no
guidebook,
there's
nothing
that
you're
gonna
look
and
flip
and
say:
oh,
this
is
a
Mediterranean
Revival.
You
know
commercial
building
and
I
can
pick
from
one
of
these
four
light
fixtures.
It's
just
it's
going
to
it.
There's
gonna
be
a
learning
curve
and
that's
that's
okay,
but
I
think
you'll
be
able
to
tell
what
doesn't
go
is
really
just
I
think
that's
an
easier
way
to
think
about
it.
C
So
those
are
the
guidelines.
The
appendices
you
know
can
be
included.
They're
standalone
also
talk
about
the
procedures
to
get
a
CA
and
tarpon
springs,
the
glossary,
which
is
a
bajillion
pages
and
has
a
lot
of
useful
information.
If
you're
flipping
through
a
diagram-
and
you
don't
know
what
something
means
or
is
pointing
to
it's
going
to
be,
is
going
to
be
in
the
glossary.
C
We
also
talked
about
substitute
materials,
which
can
be
really
helpful
if
an
application
is
in
front
of
you-
and
somebody
is
talking
about
wanting
a
new
to
replace
something
and
they
don't,
they
can't
find
the
original
material
or
there's
there's
some
reason
that
they
can't
have
the
original
material.
This
section
will
be
helpful
in
guiding
them
towards
finding
something
new
and
relevant
that
they
can
use
for
windows,
doors
signing
all
of
that,
and
then
this
is
just
additional
resources
for
the
public.
C
Bibliography
pretty
straightforward,
where
we
got
a
lot
of
our
information
and
then
your
your
ordinance.
So
this
is
again
if
something
happens
in
your
ordinance
changes
in
two
years.
This
can
be
easily
swapped
out.
It's
not
embedded
as
part
of
the
document.
If
we
refer
to
the
ordinance
and
the
document,
we
just
say
the
ordinance.
We
it's
not
if
something
changes
here,
it's
not
going
to
out
date,
the
document
as
a
whole
and
there's
some
Maps
the
map,
the
map
that
everyone
everyone
is
familiar
with.
C
C
We
did
a
lot
of
research
and
you
know
found
a
document
that
give
us
some
guidance
on
how
did
with
those
situations
and
hurricanes
and
how
to
deal
with
sites
and
structures
that
are
in
those
flood
zones
and
then
again,
like
I,
mentioned
in
the
beginning,
a
little
bit
about
maintenance
which
again
I
know
you
don't
regulate,
but
it's
it's
helpful
for
the
public
and
it
may
come
up
in
a
meeting
as
well.
So
it'll
be
helpful
to
you
all
so
that
that
was
a
really
quick,
really
fast
run
through
them.
C
B
B
Well,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
clear
and
I
know
you
every
one
of
our
board
members
and
we
each
have
our
own
expertise
and
I
know
you're
really
good
with
this.
So
let's
open
up
the
questions,
a
board
comments
or
questions,
then,
at
this
time,
if
you
want
to
ask
more
questions
of
Sarah,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
I.
E
Have
a
couple
but
I:
don't
it's
just
two
question
I'm
sorry
on
the
windows?
Is
there
a
way
because
we
listed
like
Anderson
Marvin,
whether
she'll,
which
are
not
big
brands
in
Florida?
Could
we
add
a
couple
of
local
options,
because
when
people
are
researching,
we
want
to
give
them
the
tools
to
go
to
the
right
areas.
You
know
those
yeah.
E
C
C
Because
I
mean
and
I
remember
seeing
your
comment,
my
husband
is
actually
an
architect
and
I
was
said.
You
know
when
he
window,
hey
like
manufacturers
in
the
south
and
he's
like
oh
I
just
and
he
like,
listed
the
safe
Oh.
So
I
just
I
wasn't
aware
that
there
were
different
I
mean
they
do.
We
do
list
those
because
they
do
historical
windows,
but
they
also
at
least
where
we
are.
They
do
regular
windows
as
well
like
non
wood
windows,
so
yeah.
E
F
E
They're
getting
ready
to
do
a
hurricane
window,
I
would
suggest
maybe
like
a
window
world
trying
to
think
of
the
other
guy.
There's
there's
there's
a
couple
that
are
Florida
and
that
are
made
and
actually-
and
those
are
the
ones
that
do
the
the
strange
colors
and
they
do
all
the
light
configurations.
I
can
shoot
that
Pat
I
just
have
to
pull
it.
Okay,
we
can
add
those
with.
B
E
C
Yeah
so
again,
the
first
option
is
always
to
restore
a
wood
window.
If
that's,
what
can
be
done,
restore
the
wood
window
if,
if
it
can
cannot
be
restored?
The
next
option
is
to
look
for
a
replacement
and
that's
where
that's,
where
the
we're,
not
as
concerned
whether
it's
vinyl
or
aluminum,
versus
how
it
looks
ultimately
in
the
building.
If
the
configuration
of
the
the
panes
is
correct
and
matches
that
that's
more
important,
how
is
it
gonna
look
holistically
as
a
whole,
once
they're
in
the
building
versus
what
the
actual
material
is.
C
E
And,
and
that's
probably
why
I'm
more
passionate
probably
than
most
are
on
Windows
is
because
you
know
right
now,
I'm
dealing
with
it's
been
a
hundred.
It
feels
like
a
hundred
out
there
and
I've
got
the
old
windows.
They're
beautiful
and
they've
been
updated
as
best
they
can,
but
it's
hot,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
people,
too,
would
be
looking
for.
Energy
efficiency
would
be
looking
for
hurricane.
You
know
security
that
kind
of
thing
make
sure
that
we
gave
them
those
options
and
that
information.
E
C
G
Listen
go
ahead.
Ask
my
desk
questions.
Let's
go
back
to
the
style
I'm
a
the
address.
I've
got
a
minimal
traditional
house.
Okay,.
C
G
G
Traditionalist
will
take
on
the
styles
of
the
area.
You
know
different
areas
are
going
to
have
minimal
Georgian
classified
as
a
mineral
traditional
but
it'll
be
a
different.
Looking
house
it'll
be
small.
It'll
have
a
lot
all
a
minimal
traditional
type
stuff,
but
the
detailing
and
stuff
like
that
is
a
style
in
the
area.
So
I'm
just
wondering.
If
there's
any
way
you
can
tie
in
the
wood
vernacular
with
the
local
minimal,
traditional
houses.
Okay,
well,
another.
G
Okay,
another
problem
we
have
with
that
is,
you
know,
they're
originally
designed
built
as
minimal.
In
other
words,
they
there
was
a
bare
minimum
house.
So
if
you
wanted
to
add
something
to
it,
you
have
a
hard
time.
You
know
if
you
trying
to
stay
with
minimal
traditional
right
there.
You
know
you
had
free
room
for
room
and
five
room
houses,
and
that
was
it.
So
what
I'm
saying
is?
I
C
C
C
Decoration
and
there's
no
porches,
it's
all
very
it's
very
simple
I-
have
not
seen
it
where
minimal
traditional
reflects
other
structures
in
the
area
there
they're
always
very
simple.
You
know
a
Cape
Cod
is
a
style
of
a
minimal
traditional
house
and
that
you
know
that
would
be
a
subset
of
minimal
traditional.
C
G
They
are
older,
that's
correct,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
like.
G
C
G
H
C
I
Era,
I'd
also
like
to
interject
and
just
say
we're
also
going
off
of
the
2009
survey,
which
specifically
called
out
minimal
traditional
as
a
separate
style
from
frame
burn
ocular
and
obviously
that
would
reflect
the
FFF
the
forms
as
well.
So
that's
another
reason
why
we're
playing
of
calling
them
out
of
separate
I.
I
G
F
G
G
F
B
F
E
But
you've
got
a
mix
of
people
there
and
realistically
you
have
three
homeowners
and
I'm
one
of
those
three
that
that
doesn't
have
one
of
those.
But
why
would
my
neighbor
have
one
and
have
it
approved
and
if
I
want
to
do
one
later,
not
have
the
option
to
be
able
to
do
that,
just
I
get
we
want
to
avoid
it,
but
maybe
it
should
be
a
discussion.
I
guess,
I
think.
F
F
E
B
F
Yeah,
so
this
comes
back
to
Sarah's
point.
These
are
guidelines.
They
are
not
regulations,
so
anybody
can
apply
for
anything
that
they
want.
There's
no.
The
city
has
to
accept.
If
somebody
applies
for
something,
even
if
we're
regulation,
they
have
the
right
to
come,
apply
and
ask
for
something.
Even
if
they
know
the
answers,
gonna
be
no
cuz,
they
gonna
feel
something
so
yeah.
If
you,
if
you
say,
shall
be
discouraged
or
even
if
you
take
this
all
the
way
out,
you
know
didn't
they
or
leave
it
in,
they
could
apply.
B
E
Same
there,
no
there
is
there
is
a
rule
and
that
you
have
to
apply
and
stay
within
that
square
footage.
Rule
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is,
but
when
we
redid
ours
we
we
left
it
the
exact
same
size,
so
that
we
would
not
avoid
like
have
to
go
through
an
approval
process
again
to
avoid
that
rule,
I,
don't
I
know
that
goes
through
a
different
department
of
the
city
path.
Okay,.
B
B
G
F
C
C
So
that's
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind
also
when
people
are
coming
to
the
board
and
there
talking
about
scale
or
your
there
presenting
something
new.
It's
it's
the
dimensions
of
whatever
is
being
constructed
in
relation
to
what
is
there
or
what
is
present
throughout
the
district
on
average.
Okay,.
E
E
I
guess,
because
it's
not
really
it's
like
it's
a
proportion
or
whatever
that
size
is
they
the
county
or
the
city
or
whoever
that
is,
is
the
person
that
regulates
that
sizing.
So
they
won't
approve
it.
If
you
know
it
doesn't
meet
their
standards,
we
really
only
the
look
or
like
she's
like
I,
think
what
Sarah
was
trying
to
say
the
proportion
of
what
that
sheds
or
that
roof
was
gonna.
Look
like
in
you
know,
relationship.
B
E
It
is,
and
that's
not
what
I
mean
by
it,
it
could
be.
Their
dock
itself
was
slightly
larger
than
what
they
with
a
footprint
that
we're
allowed
to
have.
Okay
and
it
may
be
minimal,
but
I
do
know
they
had
to
apply
for
a
different
variance
on
it,
but
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
roof
structure.
I'm
talking
about
you're,
talking
about
square
footage
area,
okay,.
A
Me
on
this
scale,
I
said
I,
don't
know,
can
I
be
heard.
Absolutely!
Oh,
oh
okay!
Yes,
on
the
scale,
is
there
some
way
that
when
a
person
is
presenting
it
to
the
board
that
there
should
be
a
drawing
of
some
type
of
the
original
structure,
because
you
know
I
live
next
to
301
and
yeah
it
really.
You
know
there
is
no
such
thing
as
scale
with
with
that
structure.
So
I
don't
think
it
was
ever
presented.
What
the
house
looked
like
compared
to
what
the
garage
was.
A
C
It
and
it
says,
and
I
pulled
it
up
this
Appendix
A
for
the
procedures,
because
the
documentation
for
the
or
the
application
should
be
they
shouldn't
be
submitting
drawings
with
the
application
and
if,
if
they're,
submitting
something
an
outbuilding
or
a
secondary
structure
that
but
they're
not
referencing
the
the
primary
structure,
you
can
ask
them.
You
know
what
do
you
know
the
dimensions
of
your
of
the
house
on
the
property,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
I
mean.
That's,
that's
well
within
your
right
to
take
that
into
consideration.
C
I'm
I
mean
if,
if
it's
usually
even
a
quick
sketch
from
an
architect,
will
have
the
main
structure
or
a
part
of
the
main
structure
on
the
drawing
and
then
is
out
building
the
full
out
building.
So
if
you
don't,
if
they
don't
come
to
you
with
that
information,
I
would
ask
them,
for
it
just
say
alright.
Well,
what's
what
are
the
dimensions
of
your
of
your
house
or
the
primary
building
on
the
property.
A
C
F
Right
now,
if
the
fence
meets
the
guidelines,
it's
a
staff
level
approval.
So
you've
only
seen
a
couple
wasted
since
I've
been
doing
that
didn't
meet
the
guidelines
said
the
person
wanted
to
go
to
the
board
anyway,
@sq
all
for
it,
and
that's
the
only
time
you
see
it.
Yeah.
A
F
Sir
I
think
it
would
help
me
and
maybe
help
the
board
if
you
would
maybe
kind
of
like
your
explanation
about
the
windows,
like
our
current
guidelines,
do
say:
I
think
I
have
to
look
but
I
think
for
like
frame
vernacular,
and
you
know
for
wood
structures
that
the
feds
shall
be
wood.
Well,
you
know
so
we're
looking
for
like
you're,
saying
the
context,
the
feel
or
the
property
maybe
kind
of
help
them
with
with
how
to
judge
that
yeah.
C
Yeah
and-
and
this
kind
of
goes
like
Pat,
said
to
what
what
I
was
saying
about
the
windows.
Look
at
the
property
as
a
whole,
look
at
the
style
of
the
building,
that's
on
the
property.
If
it
is
a
simple
structure,
if
it
is
a
frame
vernacular
or
masonry
vernacular,
probably
not
the
best
idea
to
have
some
sort
of
very
ornate
wrought
iron
fence.
C
C
C
It
fits
a
simple
house
have
a
simple
fence:
if
it's
a
more
decorative
house,
have
a
fancier
fence,
I,
it's
all--it's
when
you
think
about
it,
it
is
all
very
logical,
I
think
even
for
people
who
don't
have
an
architectural
background,
I
think
one
of
the
examples
I
gave
to
Pat
is
the
the
street.
Next
mine
is,
has
just
a
bunch
of
very
small
one-story
ranch
houses
and
this
one
these
people
put
these
gigantic
pillars.
You
know
in
front
of
their
tiny
little
ranch
house
and
you
walk
by
you're
like
this.
Just
this
isn't
right.
C
D
A
B
B
H
Hello,
my
name
is
John
Lucas
and
I.
Am
the
current
president
of
the
order
of
a
HEPA
located
at
20
tarpon
Avenue
the
reason
the
question
that
I
have
is:
we
are
in
a
historic
district.
However,
we
are
not
considered
to
be
a
contributing
member
to
the
historic
district
since
we
had
made
so
many
changes
to
this
heppa
home
over
the
years.
I.
H
Would
like
to
be
able
to
talk
summation
of
what
needs
to
be
done
and
what
would
be
acceptable
and
therefore
we
can
go
out
and
begin
to
this
out
and
and
see
if,
in
fact,
at
some
point
in
time
whether
we
can
again
be
a
contributing
member
to
the
historic
district,
so
I
didn't
know.
Looking
at
all
these
pages
is
you've
done
a
phenomenal
job
and
your
your
presentation
and
all
the
detail,
but
to
read
this
and
not
being
a
having
an
architectural
background.
H
B
H
H
H
Society
and
to
approach
people
and
say
here's
what
here's.
What
needs
to
be
done?
Here's
an
approximate,
you
know:
here's
what
we
can
use
and
here's
what
we
have
is
an
approximate
valuation
to
make
this
transition.
That's
my
question:
is
that
something
that's
viable?
Its
imagine
would
take
a
lot
of
work,
but
I
just
don't
know
how
to
approach
it.
F
Yeah
I
did
go
over
to
the
side,
meet
with
John
summers
over
there
and
what
they
have
is
a
contributing
altered
structure
in
the
district,
but
they
have
some
change.
They
want
to
try
to
do
some
work
on
a
building.
It
happen
to
be
as
close
as
they
can
and
historically
accurate,
or
even
maybe
try
to
restore
some
of
the
features
of
the
building
based
on
historical
photography
and
sources,
and
that's
what
you
know
this
whole
thing
is
about.
F
F
It
kind
of
going
over
a
list
of
items
that
they
wouldn't
do
and
just
getting
some
preliminary
feedback
I,
don't
really
see
a
problem
with
that,
even
though
they
have,
they
will
eventually
come
to
you
forth
certificate
certificate
of
approval
for
for
their
items
they
may
be
piecemeal
or
altogether
I
think
they
have
to
raise
some
money
to
do
some
of
the
items.
But
you
know,
just
as
an
overall
didn't
tell
you
a
little
bit
of
the
history,
the
property,
it's
an
interesting
property
and
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
they
maybe
I-
can.
C
A
F
But
yeah,
so
they
they
really
need
the
help
of
a
professional
in
order
to
start
making
this
list,
and
as
far
as
determining
what
the
costs
will
be,
that's
something
that
that
would
be
where
this
board
would.
You
know,
you'd
have
to
stop
there.
They
need
an
architect
or
a
contractor
to
help
them
with
those
comes.
They.
C
So
you
want
to
start
with
that.
Florida
master
site
file
that'll
give
you
the
style
of
the
building
and
then
from
you
once
you
take
that
style,
then
you
want
to
go
to
the
design
guidelines
and
read
the
section
about
that
style
and
you
can
get
an
idea
of
what
sort
of
characteristics
the
building
should
have
you
know
just
by
looking
at
it.
You
know
it
would
not
have
originally
had
an
enclosed
porch
with
all
of
those
awning
windows.
C
The
little
part
that
sticks
out
in
the
center
on
the
second
floor
obviously
had
it
was
either
a
little
porch
or
it
had
some
fenestration
a
window
or
a
door
or
something
at
some
point
so
there's
definitely.
The
first
step
is
to
pull
that
master
sight
file,
make
sure
the
style
is
right
and
then
from
there.
Do
you,
research
about
that
style
through
the
design
guidelines
or
on
your
own
and
figure
out?
Ok.
Well,
we
have
money
to
replace
the
windows.
What
kind
of
window
should
I
put
in?
We
have
money
to
redo
the
siding.
C
H
H
H
But
money
is
an
issue,
and
so
that's
why
we're
going
to
have
to
do
it
piecemeal
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
know
because
a
metal
roof
these
days
is
so
expensive
and
I
didn't
know
what
other
options
would
be
acceptable
so
that
we're
not
going
to
proceed
and
do
something
that
isn't
within
the
guidelines
for
our
site.
Thank
you,
mate
and.
C
I
think
that
there
are
bigger
things
to
focus
on
than
the
roofing.
If
you
know
if
the
roofing
needs
to
replace
be
replaced
with
the
shingle
roofing
and
then
ultimately
you're
able
to
open
the
porch
and
restore
that
second-story,
that's
gonna
make
a
bigger
difference
to
the
appearance
of
the
home
than
the
style
of
the
roof.
Again
you're,
looking
at
the
at
the
house
holistically,
so
not
to
overuse
that.
B
B
F
Okay,
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
am
very
excited
about
this
document.
I.
Think
that
to
you
guys
this
point
and
some
of
the
things
you've
been
asking
for
I
think
over
the
next
few
months
we
will.
You
know
this
document
will
be
a
jumping-off
point
for
us
to
to
try
to
have
a
little
bit
more
robust
program,
you
know,
is
what
I
am
hoping
for.
F
Take
a
look
at
our
application,
go
ahead
and
round
out
that
application,
so
that
you
are
getting
the
information
that
you
need
on
these
these
projects.
This
you
know
document
is
more
more
procedural
and
contextual
I
guess.
As
far
as
the
approach,
like
you
just
said,
with
the
wood
windows
document,
you
know
what
is
the
problem
with
the
current
windows
make
sure
all
that
is
documented,
so
that
you
know,
even
though,
like,
like
you
all
said
what
windows
are
very
difficult
to
to
maintain.
F
But
still
you
need
the
background
from
the
applicant
to
to
make
your
decisions
so
I'm
hoping
we
can.
We
can
around
the
process.
I
think
you'll
see
a
change
in
staff
reports
under
the
guidelines
that
get
to
the
individual
sections
in
this
document
and
call
out
by
number
the
guidelines
that
were
using
in
the
staff
report.
F
So
you
can
so
that
will
help
so
I
think
this
is
a
great
jumping-off
point
for
for
trying
to
make
our
program
a
little
more
robust
and
and
responsive
to
the
needs
of
the
city
into
the
applicants
and
also
clear
for
the
applicants
to
know
what
they
need
to
do
and
what
they're
they're
doing.
Well,
as
you
know,
we
have,
we
do
have
architects
and
contractors,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
individuals
who
come
and
do
these
on
their
own,
so
other
than
that.
F
So
tonight
we're
just
going
over
this
document.
We
are.
This
is
a
final
draft
and
we'll
be
taking
your
suggestions
in
comments
that
you've
had
and
you
know,
do,
do
the
final
document
I
know
I
went
through
it.
There's
one
there's
one
or
two
typos
which
I
will
you
know
have
corrected
and
everything.
So
hopefully
this
will
be
done
and
our
state
grant
will
in
this
month.
F
F
F
B
This
help
you
in
when
the
applicants
come
in
and
they've
got
something
that
maybe
needs
a
little
bit
more
of
an
expert
opinion
in
historical
expert
instead
of
just
a
general
contractor
or
whatever.
Would
that
help
you
to
advise
them
to
seek
out
someone
who
is
qualified
in
historical
renovations
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
require
that
on
the
application.
F
B
F
B
C
I,
don't
it
was.
It
was
great
working
on
this
with
Pat
and
for
all
of
you,
I
said
to
Pat
this
afternoon.
We're
really
bummed
that
we
didn't
get
to
come
down
to
tarpon
springs
again.
It
was
you
know
we
were
supposed
to
come
down
a
couple
of
times
and
we
only
made
it
down
there
once
so.
I
desperately
wanted
to
get
a
spongers
t-shirt
from
the
high
school,
but
hopefully
next
hopefully
next
time
I
seem
to
be
down
in
Florida
a
lot,
so
we
can
make
it
there.