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A
B
B
B
C
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F
F
B
Thank
you.
It's
6
30
p.m.
On
august
3rd,
2020
calling
to
order
the
meeting
of
the
heritage
board
in
tarpon
springs,
and
would
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please
miss.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Would
you
please
read
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting.
D
This
will
be
approval
of
minutes
for
the
may
4th
2020
meeting.
E
D
E
B
H
Yeah,
I
have
a
a
comment:
there's
a
typo
that
we
probably
need
to
change.
It
mentions
that
it
met
in
regular
session
at
city
hall
auditorium
on
january
13th.
H
So
I
think
that
should
be
noted
that
that
date
is
wrong
and
before
we
approve
it,
it
should
probably
be
changed
or
put
into
the
motion
to
be
changed.
B
So
noted,
approval
of
the
minutes
with
the
correction.
G
B
C
B
All
right
now,
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
mr
vincent
vinson,
with
a
I
don't
have
the
number
before
me.
I'm
away
from
my
paperwork.
I
Good
evening,
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
heritage
preservation
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
positive
judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
to
excuse.
Me
is
required
by
law
to
make
finding
the
facts
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
to
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
here.
I
Okay,
in
order
to
decision
regardless,
they
can
evidence
this
hearing
that
the
law
considered
confidence
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
I
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance
and
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
against
the
applicant,
are
there
any
members
of
the
board
wishing
to
disclose
any
expertise,
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest?
This
evening?
I
No,
no!
Okay!
Seeing
none
as
we
are
holding
a
virtual
meeting.
I
will
take
each
applicant
in
turn
and
swear
them
individually
and
at
this
time
any
members
of
staff
wishing
to
speak.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
right
hand
as
well
as
any
of
the
applicants.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
right
hand
to
be
sworn.
I
A
I
Perfect,
thank
you
and
then
the
first
application
I'll
go
ahead
and
help
you
out.
Madam
chairman
woman.
Excuse
me
the
first
application
is
application.
20-83
456,
east
tarpon,
avenue
edition
of
a
handicap
access
ramp
at
a
contributing
property
in
the
staff
report.
D
Yes
and
I'd
like
to
share
my
screen,
I'm
going
to
be
showing
a
powerpoint-
and
this
is
something
hopefully
we'll
be
doing
going
forward
so
just
to
hit
the
highlights
of
the
staff
report
and
to
show
a
few
graphics
and
pictures.
So
as
we
go
forward.
Let
me
know
give
me
some
feedback
on
this
approach
to
staff
presentations
and
let
me
know
what
you
think
of
that.
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
now
and
let's
see.
D
D
Hopefully
you
can
see
slideshow
says:
heritage
preservation,
board.
D
It
so
this
is
application
20-83
for
edition
of
a
handicapped
access
ramp
at
the
vinson
funeral
home,
located
at
456.
D
East
harpen
avenue-
and
this
is
a
contributing
structure
and
it's
masonry
vernacular.
This
is
just
a
quick
picture
of
the
of
the
structure
itself.
This
is
a
large
building
masonry
vernacular
constructed
of
reticulated
block.
Unfortunately,
the
day
I
was
there
right,
they
had
the
scaffolding
up
they're,
doing
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
the
building
to
to
kind
of
restore
some
of
the
elements.
I'm
sure
that
the
the
applicant
would
be
able
to
tell
you
about
that.
D
If
you're
interested
as
you
can
see,
there
is
a
main,
concrete,
wide
walk
entrance
up
to
the
steps.
There's
just
two
steps
up
to
the
porch,
and
that
is
the
area
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
here.
So
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
site
plan
schematic,
showing
the
addition
of
a
walkway
and
handicapped
access
ramp
at
the
front
of
this
property,
with
the
walkway
wrapping
around
to
the
side
and
the
ramp
going
up
on
the
side
of
the
property.
J
Yes,
ma'am
this,
this
location
was
selected
because
we've
looked
at
all
the
other
locations
and
the
ramp
would
have
to
be
extremely
long
different
slopes,
and
this
is
where
it's
gives
access
to
both
the
main
building
and
also
to
the
chapel,
which
is
to
the
right,
not
in
your
picture
that
you're
looking
at
so
it's
gives
equal
access
to
either
building
and
all
on
the
front
of
the
buildings
rather
than
having
it
around
the
back
of
the
building.
B
Have
there
been
any
reports
of
anybody
complaining
or
having
negative
in
feedback
as
to
this
ramp.
D
B
Okay,
if
I
mix
it
up
a
little
bit,
it's
because
I'm
new
at
this,
but
go
ahead.
D
That's
all
right,
let
me
flip
through
the
rest
of
my
slides,
real,
quick
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
to
that,
but
as
far
as
scale,
your
staff
report
provides
detail
on
that.
The
main
the
main
message
here
from
staff
is
that
we
feel,
although
this
ramp
is
proposed
at
the
front
of
the
property,
the
scale
of
the
property,
the
low
elevation
and
the
fact
that
it
wraps
around
the
side
kind
of
mitigates
for
that.
The
applicant
has
also
submitted
a
statement.
D
This
is
just
a
couple
of
more
shots
showing
the
concrete
material
the
ramp
is
going
to
be
concrete
and
the
rails
are
going
to
be
metal,
very
simple
rails
property
owners
were
notified
within
500
feet.
We
did
receive
one
response
in
support
of
the
application
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application,
with
a
condition
that
the
applicant
is
just
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required
permits,
and
you
could
go
to
applicant
presentation
at
this
point
if
you
wish
and
in
the
meantime,
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
H
I
guess
I
had
a
quick
one:
was
there
a
ramp
already
existing
and
is
this
replacing
one
that
was
in
a
different
location,
or
is
this
the
first
time
there
will
be
a
ramp
there?
This.
J
Is
the
first
time
there
will
be
a
ramp
on
the
premises,
so
it's
something
that's
been
long
needed
and
a
lot
of
consideration
has
been
given
to
the
different
locations
that
we
could
put
one
and
just
none
of
them
were
very
practical
and
while
we're
doing
the
renovations
now
this
was
the
appropriate
time
to
include
the
the
ramp
to
improve
access
for
handicapped
folks.
Thank
you.
It's
long
overdue
and
we're
just
happy
to
be
getting
that
done
at
this
point.
E
Mr
vincent,
is
there
a
opening
at
the
top
of
the
ramp,
to
go
either
way
to
the
chapel
or
to
the
main
building.
J
Yes,
ma'am
the
ramp
will
come
into
the
to
the
walkway
and
can,
at
the
top
of
that
ramp
will
be
able
to
go
to
the
right
to
the
chapel
or
to
the
left
over
to
the
main
building
all
on
same
level.
B
All
right
is
there
a
proposal
for
accepting
this.
B
This
amendment,
or
whatever
moving
the
application.
B
I
E
I
A
C
A
A
D
You
are,
and
there
wasn't
really
an
applicant
presentation
if
you'd
like
to
do
a
short
one
or
say
something
I
would
say,
mr
vinson,
would
you
please
go
ahead
and
authorize
it
to
speak
on
your
behalf,
because
we
do
not
have
an
affidavit.
I
And-
and
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment-
we
do
have
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
table.
We
do
for
procedural
reasons,
whoever
made
the
motion,
if
you
could
just
withdraw
that
motion
at
this
time,
so
that
we
can
move
on
to
complete
the
public
hearing
and
then
once
the
public
hearing
is
closed,
we
can
move
for
another.
Someone
can
move
for
another
motion.
A
Okay,
well,
I
actually
most
of
what
needs
to
be
said
has
been
said.
Obviously
these
are
two
different
types
of
buildings.
A
A
So
I
mean
typically,
you
don't
want
to
put
a
handicap
ramp
right
in
the
front
of
a
of
an
important
piece
of
architecture,
historic
architecture
in
particular,
but
in
this
situation
where,
even
though
you
you
enter
in
the
walkway
of
the
front
of
the
funeral
home
you're
directed
around
to
the
side
of
the
porch,
so
that
it's
it's
not
from
the
street,
it's
not
an
invasive
kind
of
a
thing.
A
So
anyway,
I
think
staff
has
made
made
a
good
report
on
it,
and-
and
so
anyway,
it's
a
building
that
I've
known
since
since
since
your
applicant
was
in
diapers,
so
so
anyway.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
I
I
K
I
K
My
family
owns
one
of
the
residential
properties
immediately
across
the
street,
from
the
vinson
lots.
We
are
in
absolute
support
of
this
project.
K
The
ada
ramp
is
in
the
sight
line
of
our
front
porch
and
we
find
it
completely
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
the
structure
and
the
way
we
would
like
to
see
the
neighborhood
continue
to
improve
as
part
of
the
historic
district.
E
Kathy,
okay,
I'll
try
again,
I
approve
the
the
yep
I'm
gonna
say
I
I
I
can't
even
remember
what
to
say:
approval
of
the
20-83
456
east
tarpon
avenue.
C
B
Second,
on
the
agenda
is
the
number
please
20-84.
B
D
Yes,
this
is
application
2084
for
edward
and
maria
schultz,
at
for
a
property
at
121
north
cross
avenue.
This
is
a
contributing
property
frame,
vernacular
style
residence,
and
this
is
a
proposal
to
replace
six
windows
and
one
door
on
the
contributing
structure.
This
is
just
a
front
shot
of
the
structure.
It's
a
frame
vernacular.
It
has
some
basically
features
of
of
the
craftsman
style.
D
The
white
leaves
and
open
braces.
The
porch
kind
of
configuration
are
reminiscent
of
the
craftsman
style.
D
They
want
to
replace
all
those
windows,
that's
a
total
of
six,
and
then
they
want
to
replace
this
door
with
a
window
so
again,
two
windows
to
on
each
side
here
and
then
the
door
in
the
middle.
And
then
this
is
just
a
shot.
I
tried
to
get
of
one
of
the
casement
windows
there's
one
on
each
side
of
this
storm.
D
As
for
the
house
itself,
it
currently
has
a
mix
of
window
types
well
window
materials.
Really
it
has
both
metal
and
wood
windows
replaced
it
at
various
times,
and
I
don't
really
have
a
count
of
exactly
how
many
of
each
or
on
the
structure
you
can
see
some
that
are
obvious
metal.
So
it's
got
both
types.
D
Basically,
with
respect
to
your
review
criteria,
the
applicant
proposes
size
for
size
window
replacement
with
the
same
style,
which
is
the
one
over
one,
simple
style
which
is
reminiscent
of
the
of
one
of
the
craftsman
type
features,
so
that
is
proposed.
The
applicant
has
not
stated
anything
about
the
windows
surrounds,
so
you
know
the
wood
surrounds,
it
is
assumed,
would
be
staying
undisturbed
and
would
be
repaired
and
maintained
as
needed.
D
D
D
D
That's
almost
the
width
of
the
structure,
so
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
replace
this
with
a
window,
but
there
is
no
detail
on
whether
that
would
be
a
replacement
in
the
full
opening
once
the
door
is
removed
or
whether
it
would
be
a
restoration
of
opening
that
matches
the
adjacent
windows
with
restoration
of
the
novelty
siding
underneath.
D
So
that's
something
we
need
to
clarify
with
the
applicant.
They
are
proposing
one
over
one
pane
for
that
opening
here's
some
of
the
pictures
of
the
door
deterioration.
Apparently
there
are
issues
with
with
some
water
damage
caused
by
that
placement
of
that
door.
Either.
Choice
for
replacement
staff
would
recommend
that
the
surrounding
trim
and
details
of
the
surrounds
for
the
window
for
the
window
replacement
match
those
of
the
adjacent
windows
right
now,
they're
just
kind
of
pieces.
D
It
looks
like
pieces
of
plywood
kind
of
stuck
on
their
pictures,
so
we
would
recommend
replacing
that
as
part
of
the
project.
These
are
just
the
schematics
sketches
that
the
window
installer
provided
for
both
the
single
one
over
one
vinyl
window
and
the
vinyl
casement
window
replacement.
D
So
staff
has
put
recommended
conditions
in
your
staff
report
as
a
condition
of
approval.
I
would
say
overall
staff
feels
that
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
with
the
style,
the
fenestration,
the
preservation
of
of
the
look
of
the
structure
the
applicant
has
provided
information
about
deterioration
of
the
windows.
D
It's
not
extensive
information,
there's
no
information
about
whether
the
windows
are
operable
or
how
much
termite
damage
there
is,
but
there
is
damage
so,
and
these
windows
are
on
the
second
floor.
So
this
could
be
approved,
but
you
may
want
to
ask
the
applicant
whether
they
evaluated
restoration
of
the
wood
windows
and
if
it's
approved
staff
is
recommending
three
conditions
condition.
One
would
be
that
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required
permits.
D
D
If
the
there's
altern
alternative
condition,
one
where
replacement
in
the
same
size,
design
and
configuration
as
the
adjacent
windows,
with
frame,
trim
and
cell
of
wood
material
matching
on
the
design
of
those
windows
and
with
restoration
of
the
wood
novelty
siding
beneath
the
window
to
match
and
blend
with
the
existing
siding,
that
condition
would
be
appropriate
if
the
applicant
wants
to
match
the
existing
windows
and
fill
in
that
lower
portion
if
they
want
to
put
a
window
the
same
size
as
the
existing
door,
the
condition
would
be
replacement
in
the
same
size
as
the
current
door,
opening
with
frame
trim
and
still
a
sill
of
wood
material
matching
the
design
of
the
adjacent
windows.
L
L
A
couple
of
the
questions
that
miss
mcneese
put
forth
about
this
the
door
replacement
is
that
gonna
be
the
same
size
as
the
opening
or
is
it
gonna
be
the
same
size
as
the
other
four
windows
yeah.
L
Then
you'll
end
up
having
to
replace
the
siding
below
and
then
match
the
trim
on
all
five
windows
so
that
they're
all
the
same.
M
L
And
then
the
only
concern
that
I
have
is
we're
adding
a
third
type
of
windows:
you're
going
to
have
a
wood
window,
an
aluminum
window
and
now
a
vinyl
window.
L
Are
you
replacing
these
with
the
reason
I'm
asking?
Is
it
there?
Is
it
window
for
window
they're,
not
impact
windows,
they're,
just
regular
windows?
Yes,
just.
M
M
Yeah
he
measured
everything,
and
that
was
right.
That
was
how
many
windows
I
can
get
to
meet
the
20
okay.
E
I
have
a
question:
okay,
since
the
the
balcony
was
unadded
in
1990.
Are
you
going
to
remove
that
when
you
close
off
that
door.
M
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
are
looking
into
that.
I
mean
I
like
the
way
it
looks,
but
it
is
causing
some
issues
I
think
with
roof
leaking,
so
it'd
probably
be
better
anyway
to
remove
the
railings
okay,
but
we
have
a
claim
right
now
for
the
roof,
so
it
won't
be
at
the
time
that
the
window
goes
in.
We're
waiting
on
that
claim.
M
B
Okay,
the
side
windows:
will
they
be
the
same
as
they
are
now
I
mean
you
listed
six
windows
four
front
and
two
on
the
sides.
Are
those
windows
going
to
be
changed?
The
side
windows.
M
J
H
H
D
N
Henry
k
has
been
martinez,
okay,
so,
on
behalf
of
ms
schultz
yeah,
I
did
take
a
look
at
the
sills
and
there
was
a
lot
of
damage
she
had.
If
you
had
looked
at
the
photos
that
miss
nice
had
shown
in
her
presentation,
she
was
having
to
actually
put
some
type
of
insulation
just
to
keep
them
to
stay
closed
and
then,
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
other
photos
that
she
had
present,
ms
ms
niece
had
presented
as
well.
N
The
corners
were
pretty
far
gone
and
deep
with
termite
damage,
and
when
we
looked
at
that,
it
was
replacing
it
just.
You
know
with
vinyl
or
something
that
you
know
where
we're
going
to
be
able
to
not
have
that
problem
going
forward
for
her.
Since
there
was
some
water
damage
as
well.
That
is
seeming
that
it
was
coming
from
the
roof
and
then
us
being
able
to
go
back
in
there
and
insulate
everything
properly
and
do
a
full
replacement
would
take
care
of
the
issue
for
her.
H
And
that
wasn't
exactly
my
question:
whatever
sort
of
window
you
would
put
back
in,
be
it
wood,
fiberglass
or
vinyl.
You
would
be
doing
that
removal
of
all
the
bad
wood
anyway
correct,
correct
all
right,
so
you'd
be
starting
with
a
blank
canvas
which
means
you
could
use
any
type
of
window
material
that
you
would
want
to
so.
Basically,
my
question
was:
did
you
look
into
those
other
options,
and
why
did
you
decide
other
than
what
you
just
told
me
about
energy
efficiency?
M
N
And
now
I
can
add
to
the
the
wood
thing:
the
cost
of
an
actual
wood
replacement
window
most
of
the
time
is
significantly
more
so
on
a
you
know,
we're
looking
at
trying
to
replace
and
keep
everything.
N
Looking
traditional
and
I
understand,
preserving,
you
know
as
many
wood
windows
as
you
can,
but
with
how
many
of
the
mix
that
we
had
in
that
in
her
in
her
home
being
aluminum
and
wood,
it
you
know,
ultimately,
would
be
you
know,
kind
of
defeating
the
purpose,
since
you
know
some
before,
even
she
had
moved
in
were
already
replaced
into
aluminum
and
just
was
really
thrown
off,
so
we're
trying
to
get
a
symmetry
throughout
the
house
with
something
that's
gonna
last
and
not
not
cause
problems
and
and
have
to
keep
going
through
this.
N
You
know
so
that's
that
was
kind
of
where
it
came
down
to
vinyl
being
the
best
solution
to
not
keep
having
any
problems
going
forward.
H
And
I
I
certainly
understand
that
so
thanks
for
for
your
answer,
I
have
another
quick
one:
do
we
have
any
historic
photos
of
this
house?
H
I
haven't
seen
any
crete
pre-1990
because
I'm
not
so
sure
that
there
was
a
window
in
the
center
there
and
the
only
reason
I'm
throwing
that
out
is
if
you
look
at
the
front
of
the
photograph
of
the
front
of
the
building,
they're,
actually
not
equally
spaced
the
door
on
either
side
of
the
door
is
wider
than
between
the
adjacent
windows.
So
I
don't
know
if,
when
they
built
it,
they
would
have
put
a
window
in
the
middle,
not
equally
spaced,
like
the
other.
I'm
I'm
like
that.
I
see
these
things.
H
I
guess
that's
I'm
just
not
sure,
and
I'm
not
saying
not
to
put
a
window
there,
I'm
just
saying
that
I'm
not
100
sure
that
there
would
have
been
a
window
there,
which
is,
which
is
why
or
a
window
this
that
matches
the
others.
Maybe
it
was
an
oval.
Maybe
it
was
another
casement
or
or
an
awning
window.
I
have
no
idea,
that's
why
I
asked
if
there
were
any
historic
photos
of
the
of
the
property.
B
I
have
a
question
is:
when
was
the
house
built
pardon
me
when.
B
And
does
a
center
window
configure
with
the
interior
layout
of
the
house.
B
M
Little,
I
don't
know
it's
in
our
bedroom
right
now,
so
I
don't
know
how
they
had
it,
but
it
looked
like
it
was
a
sitting
porch
on
either
side
at
one
point,
but
if,
if
I
can
also
add
the
only
re
like,
I
do
really
like
the
door
there,
it's
nice
for
decorating
purposes,
but
the
only
reason
I'm
switching
to
a
window
is
because
the
grade
isn't
high
enough
and
it
continues
to
cause.
Even
though
the
roof
was
repaired
just
a
couple
years
ago.
N
Yeah
yeah
you'd
have
two
there
right
now,
they're,
essentially
they're.
They
are
awnings
right
now,
but
there's
for
size
for
size.
You
can't
do
an
awning.
You
can
do
a
casement,
though,
which
gives
the
same
look
of
a
essentially
a
solid.
L
N
M
N
Those
we'd
want
to
be
doing
soon
as
well,
because
the
ones
to
the
left
of
the
home,
those
were
switched
out
as
well,
because
I
could
tell
that
there
was
damage
that
there
had
been
before
and
that's
why
those
were
switched
to
aluminum
windows
and
that
same
damage
is
correlated
with
those
windows
up
in
the
front.
N
So
that's
something
that
we
had
spoken
with
ms
schultz
to
address
later,
on
doing,
step
by
steps,
though,
and
addressing
the
main
areas
that
you
know
she
has
no
functioning
windows
which
were
upstairs
in
that
area,
since
those
downstairs
were
still
able
to
slightly
move
and
still
kind
of
function.
M
M
H
M
F
H
M
H
N
Just
one
last
one
that
yeah,
if
you
were
to
replace
that
door,
we
would
be
making
sure
that
everything
which
is
perfectly
across
the
vehicle
so
just
wanted
to
address
that
as
well,
so
that
there
was
no
concern
that
things
would
be
off.
We
would
make
sure
the
siding
is
all
done
properly
and
correct,
and
also
with
keeping
everything
level
and
across.
So
the
the
sight
line,
all
across
the
board
from
the
front
of
the
home
would
be
all
correct.
D
M
H
And
henry
you
feel
you're
going
to
be
able
to
match
that
siding.
I
I
doubt
that
that's
available
anymore.
So
will
you
be
able
to
replicate
that
and
and
when
you
do
you're
not
going
to
just
have
a
seam
going
down
you're
going
to
have
to
remove
some
of
the
siding,
so
you
could
sort
of
stagger
it.
Is
that
what
you
had
in
mind.
N
Yeah,
our
our
owner
is
going
to
once
we
have
the
approval,
make
the
the
best
decision
when
it
comes
down
to
that
we're
not
going
to
want
to
have
any
lines
showing
obviously
to
keep
everything
looking
clean
across
the
board,
and
you
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
clean
lines
all
the
way
across
to
be
able
to
not
have
any
problems
with
how
you
know
siding
should
be
installed
properly.
So
the
proper
way
to
do
it
would
be.
N
H
And
you
feel
you'll
be
able
to
replicate
that
that
siding.
N
Oh
yeah,
absolutely
there's
products
out
there
that
that
imitate.
You
know
classic
sighting
like
that
very
very
well,
so
that's
that's
something
that
we
we
can
take
care
of.
We've
done
vertical
sighting
huge!
You
know
four
foot
vertical
sighting
on
homes
before
and
this
is
something
that
we
can
take
care
of.
It's
not
anything!
That's
not
out
of
our
reach.
H
H
B
C
B
Point
is
there
a
proposal
for
approval.
E
I
propose
to
approve
these
20-84-121
north
gross
avenue,
as
presented.
D
Could
you
please
specify
the
conditions
that
you
wish
to
accept?
Oh.
E
B
H
Actually,
yes,
it's
it's,
maybe
more
of
a
question
for
the
attorney
this
came
up
at.
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
the
last
meeting
or
the
one
before
that
the
board
members
cannot
go
to
the
site
before
this
meeting
to
actually
look
at
the
project.
That
to
me
makes
no
sense.
I
So
that
is
not
entirely
true.
It
is
recommended
that
you
do
not
make
site
visits
one
because,
whatever
you
see
there,
you
are
not
supposed
to
consider
and
bring
back
to
the
board.
You
are
not
to
discuss
it
in
front
of
the
board,
because
if
you
discuss
what
you
saw
at
the
site,
you
are
now
presenting
evidence
and
you
are
not
technically.
I
You
are
not
very
specifically
supposed
to
be
presenting
evidence,
as
you
are
the
adjudicator.
Acting
in
a
quasi-judicial
fashion.
You
sit
in
the
seat
of
a
judge,
so
judges
don't
go
out
and
look
at
things
and
come
back
and
opine
on
things.
They
are
not
that's
not
what
their
job
is.
That's
not
what
your
job
is,
so
you
can.
Nothing
is
preventing
you
from
going
out
and
looking
at
the
house,
but
your
decision
is
to
be
based
solely
on
the
evidence.
I
That's
presented
to
you
at
the
hearing,
not
on
outside
information,
just
as
like
you're
not
supposed
to
be
googling
anything
or
looking
at
anything,
that's
not
otherwise
presented
by
the
applicant.
The
applicant
bears
that
burden.
So
while
it
is
not
specifically
prohibited,
we
can't
stop
you
from
doing
it.
It
is
highly
highly
disfavored
and
not
recommended,
because
if
you
do
go
out
and
you
look
at
the
house
and
you
come
back
and
you
say
well
when
I
went
out
there,
I
saw
this
myself
or
patrick
who's.
I
Your
your
regular
board
attorney
is
going
to
tell
you
absolutely
not.
You
are
not
to
testify
anything.
You'd
have
to
recuse
yourself,
go
sit
and
you
can
be
a
witness
if
you
want
to,
but
as
the
adjudicator
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
I
I
mean
you
can
that's
kind
of
an
underhanded
way
to
do
it.
To
be
very
blunt,
I
mean
you
are
supposed
to
be
only
considering
the
evidence
that's
presented,
and
that
is
on
the
record
and
again,
like
I
said,
the
applicant
has
the
burden
to
present
that
evidence
to
you.
If
the
evidence
isn't
there,
because
the
applicant
hasn't
done
so,
it's
not
your
job
to
go
out
there
and
look
at
the
property
to
find
out
and
ask
the
probing
questions
to
get
to
the
evidence.
They
have
the
burden
to
prove
that
to
you.
I
If
they
haven't
proven
it
to
you,
then
you're
not
to
approve
the
application
and
again
I
I
you
know,
I
can't
be
your
keeper
and
say:
okay,
I'm
going
to
follow
you
around
everywhere.
You
go
make
sure
that
you
don't
go
to
the
site
right
you're,
going
to
do
what
you're
going
to
do,
but
you're
not
supposed
to
be
doing
any
independent
research
and
that
to
me
would
be
considered
independent
research.
I
Well
again,
so
whatever
evidence
is
presented
to
you
either
through
the
staff
report
or
ultimately
through
the
applicant,
because
again
they
are
the
ones
that
are
supposed
to
be
bringing
the
information
to
you.
The
staff
does
a
very
good
job
of
researching
and
providing
information
that
they
have,
but
the
burden
is
on
the
applicant
to
do
what
they
are
to
prove.
I
That,
what's
being
said,
is
in
fact
true
or
to
negate
it
in
some
way
by
either
providing
witnesses
expert
testimony
whatever
they
need
to
do
you,
as
the
arbiter,
are
not
supposed
to
go
out
and
figure
out.
If
that
information
is
true
or
not,
you
know
the
people
are
giving
testimony
under
oath
so
to
them
they've
done
their
best
due
diligence
and
they
are
telling
the
truth.
So
it's
not
your
job
to
determine
whether
or
not
they're
being
truthful.
You
can
weigh
their
credibility
if
you
don't
think
they're
being
truthful,
but
yeah.
I
Right
well,
just
like
a
judge
sits
in
a
courtroom
all
day
right,
judges
don't
go
out
and
investigate
claims
or
figure
out.
If
who
who
committed,
what
crime
the
police
do
that
right
or
they
have
private
investigators
or
whatnot,
you
guys
are
sitting
in
the
role
of
a
judge.
So
it's
your
job
to
take
all
the
evidence
that
comes
in
and
determine
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
criteria
in
the
code.
If
it
does
in
your
estimation,
then
you
have
to
approve
the
application.
If
it
doesn't,
then
you
have
to
deny
the
application.
I
No
because
that
would
be
considered
testimony
now
you
can
ask
probing
questions
to
the
applicant
or
to
staff
and
say:
could
you
clarify?
Could
you
do
this
and
and
nobody's
asking
you
to
check
your
common
sense
or
your
expertise
or
knowledge
at
the
door
either,
but
you
know
that
can
be
brought
up
in
board.
Discussion
of
you
know.
Well,
you
know
my
understanding
of
this
is-
and
I
think
this,
but
ultimately
the
facts
that
come
in
and
the
evidence
that
comes
in
is
going
to
be
coming
in
through
the
applicant
or
through
staff.
D
That's
why
we're
adding
a
slideshow
and
I'd
like
to
get
your
feedback,
and
you
can
email
me
call
me
individually,
but
you
know
I
never
put
pictures
of
the
property
and
the
staff
reports
up
to
now.
Right
so
part
of
the
idea
is,
is
to
start
that's
part
of
the
information
and
the
staff
reports,
part
of
the
information
at
the
risk
of
erica.
Having
a
I'll
just
say.