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Is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
or
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quadrille
hearing,
it
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
and
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
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The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
and
the
board's
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
establishing
the
Code
of
Ordinances
and
the
board's
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
there.
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Okay,
you
can
be
a
neighbor
that
a
conflict
of
interest
would
be
if
you're
gonna
get
it
and
we'll
go
over
this
a
little
bit
later
tonight,
but
you
can
live
in
the
same
neighborhood
as
long
as
you
have
a
if
you
have
a
direct
relationship
or
a
business
relationship
with
the
applicant.
Otherwise,.
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G
The
staircase
to
be
demolished
is
on
the
back
porch
between
the
upper
and
lower
back
porch,
and
the
proposed
stairway
is
an
exterior
uncovered
stairway.
With
respect
to
your
review
criteria,
this
again
will
extend
from
the
second-story
porch
on
the
northwest
rear
corner
of
the
building
down
to
the
ground
toward
the
existing
garage.
G
The
applicant
has
provided
a
photographic
example.
It's
the
last
photograph
in
that
in
the
packet
for
this
case
of
basically,
what
the
stairway
would
would
look
like.
The
proposed
stairway
will
be
positioned
to
align
with
the
western
edge
of
the
porch
and
the
entire
structure
along
the
alley
in
the
back.
The
height
and
width
does
not
interfere
with
the
scale
in
massing
of
this
two-story
structure
and
its
location
is
also
best
suited
to
its
use
to
respect
item
2.
The
building
entries
will
not
be
affected.
G
Basically,
this
sum,
as
far
as
entries
to
the
structure
to
most
affects
entries
to
the
poor,
rear
porch
removal
of
the
existing
staircase
will
create
a
view
really
from
lemon
Street
through
that
back
porch
and
the
new
staircase
isn't
expected
to
really
interfere
with
any
any
major
views
or
the
character
of
the
structure.
It'll
be
seen
from
pineapple
Street.
G
Apparently,
the
lower
end
of
the
staircase
on
the
lower
porch
has
wood
already
under
it,
but
that
will
need
to
be
installed
or
repaired.
Whatever
is
needed
on
that.
The
new
staircase
is
proposed
to
be
of
a
simple
wood,
all
wood
materials
and,
in
a
simple
hand,
rail
and
the
columns
are
all
going
to
be
like
square
cut
similar
to
the
square
cut
features
that
are
on
the
house
now
at
the
porch
railing,
the
porch
columns
and
so
on.
G
We
talked
about
the
views
again
from
the
alley
side.
You're
going
to
be
able
to
see
that
rear
facade
better
because
that
internal
stairway
will
be
removed,
but
the
alley
is
really
kind
of
the
the
busy
area
in
the
back.
So
this
placement
of
this
new
staircase
in
that
northwest
corners
is,
is
really
the
best
place
for
that,
and
this
was
built
originally
as
a
multi-family,
which
I
thought
was
interesting.
So
just
it's
just
the
utilitarian
kind
of
basic
service
nature
of
the
staircase
I
think
is
continued
with
this
replacement.
G
This
does
not
propose
to
disturb
any
existing
notable
architectural
architectural
features
that
would
include
the
porch
columns,
mainly
in
the
front
the
front
staircase
is
noted,
but
there
is
no
proposal
to
do
anything
with
the
front.
So
again,
materials
will
be
entirely
wood
and
this
does
conform
with
the
Secretary's
guidelines
and
standards
in
the
city's
guidelines,
and
we
did
send
notices
to
surrounding
property
owners,
and
no
responses
were
received.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application
requesting
to
demolish
a
stairway
and
install
a
new
stairway
both
serving
the
second
storey
rear.
G
Porch
of
this
contributing
structure
with
five
conditions,
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
all
permits.
Demolition
of
the
existing
stairway
shall
involve
removal
of
the
stairs
and
stair
railings
only
and
shall
not
disturb
existing
architectural
features,
including
porch
columns
and
porch
railing
number
3
upon
demolition
of
the
existing
stairway.
The
second-story
porch
floor
shall
be
filled
in
entirely
with
the
materials
consistent
with
the
existing
wood
floor.
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Extending
the
current
floorboards
number
four,
the
newly
installed
stairway
shall
not
disturb
existing
architect
features
such
as
the
porch
columns,
except
for
removal,
removal
of
port
railing
to
accommodate
the
staircase
and
number
five
rails.
Ballast
drugs
and
newel
posts
shall
be
consistent
with
the
design
of
existing
porch
columns
and
railing
as
presented
by
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
questions.
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The
existing
staircase,
it
would
appear,
was
an
afterthought
to
the
original
building.
It
was
sort
of
tucked
into
the
back
porch.
It's
only
about
25
and
a
half
inches
wide
at
the
narrowest
point,
and
it
has
sagged
and
kind
of
it
looks
like
you
wouldn't
want
to
go
up,
I've
been
up
and
down
it,
hundreds
of
times
and
it's
still
there,
but
it's
it's
borderline
and
it's
a
as
a
means
of
egress
from
a
safety
standpoint
from
the
second
floor,
it's
it's
inadequate.
Okay,.
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The
building
inside
had
poor
electricity,
poor
plumbing.
We
talked
to
a
few
of
the
tenants
there
and
he
said
it
was
a
disaster
since
IRA
has
come,
the
place
has
gone
a
hundred
and
eighty
degrees.
He
spent
a
lot
of
time
a
lot
of
money
and
it
is
an
absolute
beautiful
home
now
with
a
lot
of
character
supplementing
to
the
to
the
town.
So
I
really
think
that
he
has
every
right
for
the
stairs
to
go
in
the
back.
I
know
where
they're
gonna
go,
we've
talked
about
it.
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This
is
a
contributing
building.
The
existing
window
and
door
configuration
on
the
Ring
Avenue
East
Side
is
proposed
to
be
replaced
with
three
metal
frame
fixed
window
panels.
She
ate
200
of
the
applicants.
Plan
is
probably
the
best
sheet
to
look
at
what
that's
going
to
look
like
the
applicant
shows
metal
garage
doors
on
that
ring
Avenue
site
as
well,
and
those
will
be.
G
There
are
two
two
different
drawings
there.
One
shows
glass
panel
replacement,
one
shows
Agora
metal
garage
door,
the
applicants
here
and
he
can
clarify
what's
proposed
either
one
seems
to
be
acceptable,
so
we
kind
of
reviewed
both
of
those
on
the
lemon
street
side.
We
have
four
metal-framed
fixed
window
panels,
three
of
which
include
metal
and
glass
storefront
doors
being
installed,
and
then
there's
an
angled
corner
entry
to
this
building.
G
The
designs
are
consistent
with
the
character,
the
building's
original
architectural
style
and
provide
a
greater
symmetry
to
the
building.
There
is
a
retention
of
the
concrete
as
lentils
with
transom
style,
fixed
windows
over
some
of
the
doors,
so
that
seems
to
enhance
the
simple
simplistic
kind
of
storefront
look.
G
One
thing:
I
wondered
to
myself
and
couldn't
find
evidence
was
whether
the
windows
that
are
on
there
now
was
the
original
configuration
they
don't
seem
to
have
a
I
guess
symmetrical
defenestration
with
respect
to
sizes
and
arrangement,
but
I'll
just
the
applicant
does
not
propose
to
disturb
the
roofline.
This
is
a
flat
roof
with
a
tile
capped
parapet.
Wall
called
out
in
the
master
sight
file
and
there's
no
proposal
to
disturb
that
again.
G
G
This
application
is
consistent
with
the
Secretary's
standards
and
the
city's
guidelines.
It's
also
consistent
with
the
land
development
code.
This
is
in
the
residential
and
industrial
office.
Transect
of
our
of
our
special
area
plan
and
this
area
along
lemon
street
is
is
slowly
kind
of
coming
along
with
light
industrial
uses.
G
We
have
the
lemon
Street
Center
under
construction.
We've
had
a
couple
industrial
uses
going
in
on
the
south
side
of
lemon,
which
is
just
outside
the
district,
but
those
are
coming
along,
Christopher
still
Studios
on
net
Street,
so
it's
it's
kind
of
in
Silver,
King
breweries
on
the
street,
so
this
will
will
be
a
great
addition.
Renovating
the
building
and
it'll
be
attractive
to
a
variety
of
tenant,
tenants
anything
from
small
restaurant
to
retail,
to
light
industrial,
so
it
fulfills
the
goal
of
the
transaction.
G
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
staff
is,
and
this
was
noticed,
there
were
no
responses
received
to
the
public
notices.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application
to
renovate
the
facade
of
this
concern,
contributing
structure
to
replace
existing
windows
and
doors
with
new
metal
windows
and
doors,
as
described
any
application
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
The
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required
permits
and
are
there
any
questions.
L
Really
it's
pretty
straightforward,
I
mean
we
want
to
remove
the
old
windows
and,
as
you
can
see
there,
in
the
rendering
and
putting
on
you
hurricane
windows
in
and
really
kind
of
bring
the
building
to
a
point
that
it
can
be
utilized
other
than
just
a
warehouse.
Because
that's
kind
of
all
it's
been.
A
I
L
The
idea
is,
there
is
to
subdivide
that
space
if
a
potential
so
on,
what's
in
office
or
Pat
was
saying
a
small
restaurant
or
industrial.
We
could
put
four
spaces
in
there
as
opposed
to
someone
taking
one
large
space
or
they
could
just
take
the
entire
space.
But
that's
the
idea
to
make
it
more
more
appealing
to
more
people
right,
because
some
people
don't
want
a
real
big
space.
So
let
me
just
want
to
put
an
office
there,
and
so
that's
the
idea
with
that.
I
think.
G
If
you're,
if
you're
concerned
about
this
structure
itself
as
well,
there
was
a
similar
project
done
over
on
Center
201
Center
Street
Center
in
Cypress
over
net
area.
That
was
not
a
contributing
structure,
but
it's
almost
kind
of
similar
to
that,
and
and
it's
it's
really
looking
looking
good.
It's
also
a
concrete
building
with
the
larger
glass
metal
in
fixed
glass.
C
L
L
E
L
Can
go
either
way,
we're
kind
of
leaving
that
open
or
somebody
that
might
want
a
garage
door.
Pat
mentioned
like
a
light
industrial,
so
someone
may
need
to
go
in
and
out
of
there,
one
of
those
garage
doors
will
it's
going
to
have
a
glass
front,
but
it's
also
going
to
have
a
walkthrough
door
by
code.
We
have
to
do
that,
so
the
garage
door
will
remain
kind
of
like
you
see
the
old
things
in
New
York
City,
where
they
go
out
when
they
leave
and
they
pull
their
door
down.
L
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D
E
J
E
F
Hello:
everyone
if
I
haven't
met
you
another
son
of
mine,
I'm,
Patrick
Prez.
The
board
attorney
for
tarpon
springs,
Harry's,
Preservation
Board
tonight,
I'm
gonna
kind
of
briefly
go
through
some
procedural
questions.
Yes
it'sit's
the
packet
has
been
passed
out.
I
was
always
told
to
never
read
from
the
PowerPoint
and
never
put
everything
in
the
PowerPoint,
so
I
broke
that
rule
a
little
bit.
I
did
it
on
purpose,
though
my
goal
is
that
in
their
hand
you
have,
you
should
have
to
be
able
to
look
at
it
and
answer
your
question
relatively
quickly.
F
F
Okay,
so
in
there
I
will
I
put
in
all
the
sections
of
the
tarpon
springs
Code
of
Ordinances.
So
you
can
see
where
we're
getting
this
from
that
it's
not
being
made
up
written
down.
So
we'll
begin
with
section
106
the
purpose
and
intent
of
the
Harris
preservation
of
those
important.
So
you
can
see
codified
the
reason
why
this
board
is
here
so
briefly
to
effect
and
accomplish
the
protection,
Enhancement
and
perpetuation
of
building
structures,
geographic
districts,
landscape
features,
resources
that
represent
distinct
elements.
F
F
So
there
are
a
lot
of
powers
and
duties
that
this
or
can
do
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
all
of
them,
but
also
again
focus
on
number
four.
That
is
going
to
be
the
primary
thing.
That's
when
you're
gonna
have
applicants
come
up
here
and
ask
you
to
do
something:
the
review
criteria.
So
it's
in
every
staff
report,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
it.
There
are
eleven
and
that's
why
it's
very
tiny
and
not
fun.
On
a
PowerPoint.
There
are
11
review
criteria.
F
I
won't
go
through
them
because,
presumably
you
should
be
reading
those
every
time
you
get
an
application,
but
these
are
them
and
you
will
find
that
in
109
point.
Oh
one,
the
standards
for
review.
These
are
your
standards.
When
you
get
a
question
when
you
get
an
application,
these
are
the
same
as
you
apply.
F
Article
7
section
109
point:
oh
two
is
the
determination
by
the
board,
but
this
is
how
you
determine
whether
you
approve
or
disapprove
an
application
and
I
will
renumber
a
based
on
the
standards
for
review.
Secretary
of
the
Interior
stands
for
rehabilitation
guidelines
for
rehabilitating
historic
buildings.
The
designation
report,
the
application
for
certificate
approval,
the
staff
report
and
the
applicants
presentation
the
board
shall
the
board
shall
approve,
approve
with
conditions
or
deny
the
application.
So
two
things
from
that.
F
The
use
of
the
word
shall
so
in
legal
terms
shall
and
may
are
very
different
and
you'll
see
a
lot
of
lawyers
get
come
right.
Hsiao
means
you
have
to
do
it.
So
what
does
that
mean?
It
means
two
things.
It
means
one
you
have
to
when
an
applicant
comes,
you
have
three
options:
approve,
approve
with
conditions
or
deny
you
have
to
do
one
of
those
three
also.
You
have
to
approve
approval
conditions
or
denied
based
on
everything.
I.
F
Just
read
before
that
section,
a
so
then
you'll
see
a
little
you'll
see
a
little
star
site
visits,
site
visits
are
discouraged,
but
not
disallowed.
Why
our
site
visits
discouraged
because
site
visits
are
not
part
of
your
criteria?
Nowhere
does
it
say
you
should
go
to
the
site
and
look
at
it
and
then
come
back
and
base
your
decision
on
you're
supposed
to
base
your
decision
on
the
review
criteria
and
what
happens
at
the
meeting?
F
Much
like
a
judge
would
a
judge
would
not
go
out
to
the
to
a
crime
scene
or
to
wear
the
slip
and
fall
happened.
He's
gonna
sit
and
you're
gonna
get
all
the
information
here
board
members
may
not
discuss
site
visits
because
that
is
not
criteria
to
review
and
when
you
do,
if
you
do
discuss,
site
visits,
you're
now
giving
testimony
you're
no
longer
sitting
as
a
board
member
you're
sitting
as
a
witness,
and
you
can't
be
both
a
witness
and
a
judge.
So
that
is
why
site
visitors
are
discouraged.
F
I
cannot
tell
you
not
to
go
somewhere,
but
I
will
say
when
you
base
your
application,
when
you
applicant
becomes
a
for
you
you're
supposed
to
be
based
it
on
what
happened
at
the
meeting
and
everything
that's
in
the
record
and
in
your
report.
Okay,
if
you
do
go
to
site
visits,
I
asked
you
not
to
discuss
it
because
I,
don't
that
could
potentially
influence
other
board
members,
and
now
you
are
giving
a
testimony.
F
Yes,
okay,
so
so
the
next
slide,
still
in
the
same
section,
subsection
C
in
granting
a
certificate
of
approval
of
the
board
may
prescribe
appropriate
conditions
so
again,
may
and
hsiao-mei
means
you
do
not
have
to
but
may
with
appropriate
conditions.
This
could
be
interpreted
and
I
spoke
with
the
city
attorney
and
Erica
who
used
to
you
know
be
a
but
before
this
board
and
we
kind
of
went
through,
and
there
was
some
discussion
a
couple
applications
before
about
what.
If
an
applicant
has
multiple
things,
you
know
they
want
XY
and
Z.
F
Can
we
give
them
X&Y
but
not
Z?
You
know
what
you
probably
can
you
probably
can,
because
you
can
prescribe
appropriate
conditions.
You
may
prescribe
for
revisions.
So
if
someone
comes
and
says,
I
want
X
Y,
&
Z,
you
can
say
no,
you
can
say
yes
or
you
can
say
yes
to
X
no
to
y-yes
disease.
Those
are
conditions
now
appropriate
conditions,
also,
there's
a
lot
of
Kasaan.
What
is
an
appropriate
condition
right,
appropriate
conditions
are
usually
the
things
that
make
sense
based
on
the
site,
but
not
the
person.
F
So
you
can't
say
you
know:
I,
don't
want
to
give
examples,
but
appropriate
additions
are
one
of
those
that
you
kind
of
know
it.
When
you
see
you
can't
make
arbitrary
conditions,
you
can't
say
yes,
but
only
for
two
years
or
yes,
but
only
if
you
paint
it
yellow
those
wouldn't
be
considered
fair
because
those
aren't
appropriate
conditions.
F
But
again
the
important
thing
I
wanted
to
take
away
of
these
two
things
are
the
the
shall
approve
and
the
may
prescribe.
So
you
can
piecemeal
an
application.
You
could
probably
parcel
it
out.
You
can
also
approve
it
with
particular
conditions,
but
you
must
vote
on
all
the
criteria
that
comes
to
this
at
this
meeting.
Is
everyone
with
me
so
far.
A
F
So
the
applicant
and
and
we're
kind
of
there's
no
good
starting
point.
This
is
all
you
know
a
circle
of
what
what
do
I
start
with
first
so
I
figured.
Let
me
just
start
with
the
code
and
then
we
can
kind
of
get
into
the
quasi
procedures,
but
but
dance
your
question.
Yes,
an
applicant
has
a
right
to
amend
their
application.
Amending
an
application
does
not
necessarily
mean
they
have
to
rewrite
something
in
hand
it.
F
They
can
amend
it
right
now
talking
they
could
say
you
know
what
after
discussion,
instead
of
a
ten-foot-wide,
something
you
only
want
to
eat
feet,
I'm,
okay,
with
eight
feet.
That's
amending
right!
Now!
If
they
say
no
I
want
ten
feet
and
you
say
well,
we
will
prove
it
to
eight
and
that's
what
you
proved
it
for
that's
what
you
boobs
for,
or
you
could
say.
No,
those
are
your
options.
G
C
F
F
Appeals
I
wanted
to
put
this
in
here,
because
there
there
is
a
codified
process
for
appeals
off
this
board.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
see
there's
so
much,
but
in
Bowl
within
20
days
of
a
written
decision.
That's
when
the
appeal
can
take
place
and
Part
B.
The
appeals
from
any
decision
of
the
HPB
board
shall
be
made
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
F
Someone
could
appeal
it
further
to
to
a
court
of
law,
okay,
okay,
so
so
that's
kind
of
the
codified
thing
and
there's
a
lot
in
there
and
and
I
and
I
do
hope.
You
all
take
a
moment
to
to
read
what's
in
the
code
based
on
this
board,
but
that's
kind
of
the
very
truncated
little
part
of
trying
to
give
you
the
tidbits,
but
but
it's
all
in
there.
So
next
we'll
go
to
the
procedure
of
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
and
perhaps
I
can
I
do
this
backwards
cuz.
F
What
is
it
quadrazid
forcing
so,
let's
kind
of
come
back
to
that
see
if
I
can
okay,
what
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding,
the
easiest
way
to
think
of
it?
It
is
breaking
it
down
the
two
words
quasi,
meaning,
almost
sort
of,
but
not
really
and
judicial.
You
know
so
you're
you
guys
are
sitting
as
if
you
were
judges
judges,
but
that
can
also
ask
questions
of
the
witness
right.
F
You
are
applying
facts
to
previously
establish
criteria
and
know
at
the
beginning
of
every
meeting,
I,
maybe
I
say
it
too
fast,
but
I
read
that
little
spiel,
no
one,
no
one!
You
know
I,
don't
have
to
read
that
spiel,
but
we
do
it
for
both
learners,
but
also
for
the
applicants
to
show
what
this
process
is.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
makes
law,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
are
the
legislature.
They
say
we
want
the
law
to
be
a
B
and
C.
F
They
give
you
that
law
and
they
tell
you
which
is
those
design
criteria,
those
eleven
things
they
establish,
that
they
say
based
on
this,
when
people
come
before,
you
apply
that
law
and
see
if
they
pass.
Otherwise
staff
could
just
do
this.
It's
it
will
be
a
rubber-stamp
but
you're
sitting
as
a
judge
or
judging
you're
weighing
evidence
testimony
everything
that
happens
at
this
meeting
the
application
and
applying
it
to
the
criteria
and
then
see
what
comes
out
so
variance
here
is
some
zoning
designation
site
language
criteria.
F
All
of
those
are
considered
quasi-judicial
you're
not
going
to
deal
with
a
whole
lot
of
that
here,
but
but
you're
you
have
a
set
of
criteria
and
you're
applying
that
criteria
to
an
applicant.
That's
coming
before
you,
the
law,
the
by
case
law
in
Florida
case
law.
You
need
competent,
substantial
evidence,
procedural
due
process
and
essential
requirements
of
law
competent,
substantial
evidence,
competent
substantial
evidence
is
a
standard
of
the
evidence.
F
It
has
to
be
the
reason
why
we
swear
in
the
speakers
when
you
come
in
and
I'm
I'm
I'm,
giving
you
testimony
and
I'm
telling
you
there's
a
difference
between
and
someone
coming
up
here
and
saying:
I,
don't
like
it
versus
an
expert
saying
if
these
are
the
these
are
the
type
of
colors.
This
is
the
structural
integrity.
F
All
that
stuff
both
are
testimony,
but
one
might
be
competent
substantially
than
one
might
not
be
competent
of
Stan,
shal
or
relevant
procedural
due
process
that
that
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
I
was
saying
that
the
applicant,
the
applicant
has
rights
they're
coming
before
this
board
much
anything
much
like
they
would
in
a
court
of
law
requesting
something.
So
they
have
rights
their
procedural
due
rights
and
that
kind
of
goes
back
to
the
criteria
you
have
applying
it
to
that
applicant
evenly
and
every
time.
F
Let's
see
the
fair
proceeding
and
free
of
potential
bias,
so
potential
bias
could
come
out
and
I
think
we
talk
on
this
later
yeah
when
we
get
into
public
mean,
but
what
we'll
kind
of
touch
back
on
abstaining
from
voting
but
but
know
this
by
law,
you
have
to
vote
unless
you
have
a
reason
not
to
now
it
sounds
kind
of
silly.
But
what
that
means?
Is
you
can't?
If
you
think
you
may
not?
F
A
lot
of
you're
gonna
know
these
people
and
that
in
and
of
itself
is
not
a
conflict
of
interest
or
bias.
So
so
that's
where
I
kind
of
broke
this
down
into
what's
quantitation
on
what's
the
legislative,
so
this
is
based
on
Florida
case
law,
because,
as
of
this
day,
there's
still
cases
on
what
is
legislative
and
what
is
quasi
judicial,
and
it
can
be
very
nuanced,
and
sometimes
it
gets
mixed
on
the
left
to
see
what
the
legislative
Board
of
Commissioners
on
the
right
you'll
see
cause
additional
your
board
for
the
commissioners
makes
policy.
F
A
F
And
and
think
of
it,
this
way
the
Board
of
Commissioners
date
tomorrow
could
write
an
ordinance
because
they
don't
like
something
they
want
to
change
something
in
the
town
and
they
want
to
do
something
different
there.
Obviously
they're
gonna
have
some.
You
know
legal
rules
that
they
can't
just
write.
You
know
you
know
no
taxes
tomorrow,
but
you
know
they.
They
don't
have
to
have.
There's
this
policy
driven
yours,
no
policy,
you
should
take
applicant,
put
it
up
to
your
criteria.
Does
it
meet
it?
F
Yes,
does
it
not
know
where
you
come
in,
as
you
have
to
way
you
have
to
decide.
Is
this
applicant
as
it
does
this
meet
the
criteria?
Okay,
so
let
me
go
back
a
little
bit
to
what
your
procedures
are.
Okay,
so
this
is
the
procedures.
I'm,
sorry-
and
this
is
slide
10
if
you're
following
along
I,
think
it's
two
slides
so
I
kind
of
broke
it
down
numerically
in
this
way,
because
this
is
more
or
less
the
the
track
you
should
take
for
each
meeting.
Okay,
so
a
quorum
of
this
board
is
three
members.
F
Five
is
a
full
board,
so
you
need
at
least
three
to
have
a
meeting.
If
you
have
four,
you
can
have
a
meeting,
but
a
tie
vote
is
a
denial.
So
if
you
have
four,
you
would
need
three
to
pass
something.
The
old
theory
goes
back
ties.
Equal
status
quo
status
quo
is
nothing.
Does
that
make
sense?
Okay
number
two
I
will
read
the
quasi
judicial
procedures.
F
Number
three
I
asked
for
expert
to
communication
and
conflicts
of
interests.
We
kind
of
already
touched
on
that
ex
parte
communication.
Is
you
know
this
applicant
called
me
yesterday
and
try
to
you
know
tell
me
things:
that's
what
expert
day
means
it
means
you
know,
he's
a
party
to
this
application,
you
as
a
board
or
a
party
this
application,
but
something
was
spoken
about
off
the
record.
If
that
happens,
you
just
tell
me,
because
we
can
we
can
cure
violate.
We
can
you
can
talk
about
it.
You
never
want
to
bottle
it
up.
F
Conflicts
of
interest
are
kind
of
going
back
to
that
business
entity
from
family
relationship
thing.
Okay,
I
will
then
swear
in
the
witnesses,
all
right
so
number
five.
The
chair,
that
is
when
you
were
calling
to
order
the
public
hearing,
okay,
so
the
public
hearing.
This
is
based
on
you,
a
mix
of
Robert's
Rules,
but
also
the
procedures
that
are
laid
out
in
your
your
policy
city
staff
presents
the
application
first,
okay,
and
this
is
usually
good,
because
you
need
to
start
a
basis
from
somewhere.
F
Then
the
board
can
ask
questions
of
staff
next,
the
applicant
may
present
his
or
her
case,
and
the
board
can
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
now.
This
is
the
next
slide.
This
is
where
we
get
a
little.
You
know
for
the
most
part,
its
run
pretty
well,
but
technically,
these
are
the
technical
policy
procedures
in
your
effort
for
this
board
and
it's
by
resolution.
So
you
won't
see
it
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
but
I've
gone
through
it,
and
these
are
current
affected
parties
that
prove
they
are
affected.
F
F
Number
nine
members
of
public
in
support
of
the
application
are
supposed
to
go
first.
So
what
you
should
ask
is,
after
the
applicant
speaks
and
after
you
ask
questions
the
applicant
when
you
open
the
public
hearing
members
and
support.
If
you
like
to
come
speak
then
members
of
the
public
in
opposition
may
speak,
number
11
is
applicant,
may
present
their
closing
summary
or
rebuttal,
so
the
applicant
gets
one
last
time
they
get
a
speak
last
of
all
the
public.
F
They
get
a
talk
one
more
time
and
then
board
members
may
pose
final
questions
to
any
witnesses.
So,
while
in
deliberation,
if
the
first
person
that
spoke,
you
have
a
question,
you
can
call
them
back
up
and
ask
questions
now
that
is
you
ask
calling
them
back
up
to
ask
questions.
That
does
not
mean
that
everyone
gets
to
come
up
and
speak
again.
F
Then
the
chairperson
closes.
The
public
hearing.
I
strongly
suggest
the
chair
to
close
the
public
hearing
when
everyone's
done,
what
happens
is
sometimes
especially
when
it
gets
hot
and
you
know
and
some
stuff
people
will
speak
and
they'll
sit
down
and
then
the
applicant
will
say
something
and
then
they'll
like
you
know
what
I
get
someone
else
to
say.
If
you
bring
them
back
up,
you
have
to
make
sure
everyone
else
has
a
chance
to
get
brought
back
up
to
then.
F
So
after
the
chair
closes
the
public
meeting
hearing
a
motion,
a
second
will
be
made,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
seems
almost
backwards.
But
the
theory
is
you
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
then
you
have
discussion
and
deliberation.
That's
a
Robert
rule
order.
The
theory
is,
if
we're
you
know,
let's
see,
let's
see
where
this
is
going
and
then
we'll
talk
about
it.
Also,
you
can
vote
against
your
own
motion,
so
you
can
say
I
move
to
approve
I
second,
and
then
you
can
vote
no.
F
F
Excuse
me,
the
first
is
if
the
public
hearing
cannot
be
concluded
at
the
regular
meeting.
That's
all
it
says
so.
The
unlike
the
Florida
Legislature,
where
they'll
post
as
I,
was
watching
a
meeting.
Today
it
was
from
2
to
4
p.m.
at
4:01.
They
were
still
talking
and
meetings
over,
that's
it
here.
We
don't
really
have
a
time
limit,
but
in
theory
we
could
have
a
5
hour
meeting
and
you
could
close
the
board
and
then
it
would
have
to
be
continued.
F
The
second
is
that
the
applicant
has
elected
to
defer
an
item
prior
to
the
start
of
the
meeting
or
if
there
is
not
a
full
board,
if
there's
not
a
full
board.
The
applicant
and
you've
probably
heard
me
say
this
before
I,
always
ask
the
applicant
there's
not
a
full
board
which
I'd
to
continue
it's
up
to
them,
the
theory
being
because,
let's
say,
there's
4
people
and
they
now
need
75%
of
the
people
in
their
face
or
otherwise.
If
there
was
five,
they
would
only
need.
Sixteen,
so
can't
be
tough.
F
F
Secondly,
your
procedures
say
that
if
a
board
member
was
absent
for
a
meeting
that
has
been
continued,
the
board
member
must
then
view
the
past
mean
before
participating
in
the
meeting.
So
in
theory,
let's
say
one
of
you
were
absent
for
a
meeting
and
you
heard
an
application
and
application
was
presented.
The
witnesses
were
sworn
in.
Testimony
was
given
45
minutes,
then
you
realize
you
and
the
applicant
both
realized,
there's
not
enough
here.
F
We
don't
want
to
deny,
but
we
want
you
to
come
back
the
next
meeting,
if
you
weren't
there
for
the
first
part
as
a
board
member,
you
have
to
go
back
and
review
everything,
because
otherwise
you're
not
hearing
the
full
you're,
not
hearing
everything
that
everyone
else
heard.
Okay.
Does
that
make
sense.
F
Alright,
so
the
next
part
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
a
little
quicker
if
I
can't.
Please.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
let
me
know,
but
we'll
do
the
Sunshine
Law
we'll
do
such
a
lot
of
ethics
and
Public
Records
fairly
quickly.
This
these
slides
were
all
made
by
a
couple
of
my
partner's
at
the
law
firm
at
my
law
firm.
They
go
throughout
the
state.
They
teach
this
to
newly
elected
officials,
so
they're
really
good
at
it,
so
I
just
so.
What
is
a
pub
meeting?
The
Florida
Constitution
states,
the
Constitution.
F
Not
two
statute
is
a
meeting
of
the
collegiate
public
body
at
which
official
acts
taken
or
businesses
discussed.
Okay,
all
meetings,
including
staff
committees,
temporal
groups
or
even
a
single
person
could
be
a
meeting.
So
when
the
two
of,
when
two
or
more
of
the
board
members
are
talking
about
anything
where
official
action
may
be
taken,
that's
a
meeting.
What
that
means
to
say
is
when
you
get
here,
five
minutes
early
and
you're.
F
Looking
at
the
application,
you
cannot
talk
about
the
application
with
any
of
your
board
members,
because
that
means
you
just
already
started
the
meeting
and
we're
not
on
the
record.
The
optimism
here
you
have
to
discuss
all
meeting
or
any
business
that
would
take
place
at
a
meeting,
has
been
taken
place
at
a
meeting
that
makes
sense.
F
You
absolutely
can
go
through
your
packet,
you
can
talk
about.
You
know
sports.
You
can
talk
about
what
was
going
on
this
weekend,
but
you
should
never
talk
with
another
board
member
on
any
action
that
may
be
taken
it
is,
may
may
be
taking
because
you
never
know
unless
you're
at
a
meeting.
Okay,
so
there's
three
basic
compliances
with
a
poet
meeting,
it's
notice,
location
in
minutes.
Those
are
the
three
things
that
every
meeting
has
to
take
place.
F
We
don't
really
have
to
worry
about
a
whole
lot
of
these,
because
the
staff
does
a
really
great
job
of
noticing
the
meeting
right
and
the
locations
always
here.
So
there's
no.
What
we
call
a
chilling
effect.
We
don't
really
get
into
what
that
would
mean
right
now,
but
and
minutes
are
always
taken
and
you're
always
voted
on,
and
that
is
why
you
always
have
to
vote
on
your
minutes,
but
because
you
have
to
bylaw
another
question.
I'll
get
sometimes,
and
just
you
can
vote
on
minutes
for
which
you
are
not
there
for
so.
F
F
Okay,
we
kind
of
talked
about
what
a
public
meeting
was
and
the
minutes
okay
outside
conduct,
so
from
case
law
there
are.
There
are
cases
where
board
members
are
married
in
some
in
some
cities
and
in
Florida
or
Burton
boards,
you
that
is
okay.
You
can
statute
contemplates
that
in
smaller
cities,
especially
you're
gonna,
be
friends
with
some
of
the
applicants
with
other
board
members
and
you'll
see
them
just
again.
F
If
you
start
discussing
something
that
may
take
action,
what
you've
done
now
is
you've
started
a
public
meeting
and
you
probably
didn't
notice
it
and
you're,
probably
not
taking
minutes
so
you're
in
violation.
Does
that
make
sense
you
can
cure
violations,
so
don't
ignore
them.
If,
if
you
think
that
I
may
have
created
a
sunshine
violation,
I
may
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
you
guys
are
great
because
I
know
you
know.
You
asked
questions
tonight.
F
That's
awesome,
always
just
ask
because
a
lot
of
times
we
can
cure
it
and
curing
means
we
put
on
the
record
hey.
This
is
what
happened
when
it
wasn't
on
the
record.
I'm
repeating
it
so
is
now
on
the
record
and
there
we
go.
You
don't
want
it,
you
don't
you
try
not
to
get
in
that
position,
but
it's
way
better
to
cure
a
violation
and
ignore
the
violation
and
then
get
into
some
real
issues,
so
notice,
location
in
minutes.
F
F
You
can't
really
make
a
copy
of
it,
but
it's
a
public
record
so
just
be
aware
that
when
you're
dealing
with
all
this
stuff,
that's
coming
through
or
any
emails
you
send,
those
are
those
are
most
likely
gonna
be
public
record
and
I
also
touched
briefly
on
this
real
quick
anytime
staff,
emails
out
and
I
think
you
guys
do
a
good
job
of
not
replying
all
you
can
reply
to
staff.
You
can
reply
to
me.
F
You
can
email
staff
and
me
when
you
email
to
other
board
members,
you
and
you
start
discussing
stuff
you're,
probably
having
a
meeting
right
now
with
the
public
that
public
can't
participate
in.
So
that's
why
and
I
know
for
some
of
the
comments
from
last.
You
know
that
right
that
they
reply
just
to
you
with
the
comments,
and
that's
that's
perfect,
just
try
not
to
reply
all.
If
you
do
get
an
email,
that's
a
reply
all
or
something
do
not
respond.
Do
not
respond
to.
F
F
I
can
go
through
epics,
real,
quick,
but
just
know
that
you,
this
by
the
Florida
Constitution,
this
board
contemplates
what's
called
a
public
trust
and
the
people
shall
have
the
right
to
secure
and
sustain
the
trust
from
abuse.
So
those
are
kind
of
very
big
words
but
broken
down.
It's
basically
accepting
gifts.
A
lot
of
this
should
make
sense
right.
It's
a
accepting
gifts,
doing
business,
one
agency's
unauthorized,
compensation
and
disclosure
of
certain
information.
F
So
you
will
have
a
conflict
and
there
would
be
an
ethical
concern
if
the
applicant
was
related
to
you
if
they
were
a
business
partner,
if
you,
if
they
gave
you
gifts
or
they
tried
to
tell
you,
you
know
please
vote
for
me
and
you
know:
here's
a
gift
certificate.
Yeah.
You
know
it's
kind
of
obvious,
but
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
those.
F
Okay,
so
here
is
the
voting
conflict
test,
so
to
speak,
am
I
getting
a
special
gain
or
loss,
so
a
special
gain
or
loss.
What
does
that
mean?
Well
Board
of
Commissioners
if
they
vote
to
lower
the
millage
rate
they're
benefiting
from
that,
because
their
taxes
are
going
to
go
down
too?
That's
not
a
special
gain
or
loss
they're,
not
voting
just
for
them
to
lower
their
millage
rate.
F
Again
that
that's
what
we're
doing
here
when
you're
approving
and
usually
it's
almost
always
it's
gonna,
be
you
know,
house
by
house
property
by
property,
you're,
probably
not
going
to
be
getting
a
special
gain
or
loss.
Now,
if
by
you
voting,
your
company
somehow
can
profit
off
of
that
directly.
Then
yeah
you're
probably
going
to
do
a
special
gain
or
loss,
but
it's
voting.
F
Conflicts
are
usually
rarer
than
you
think
they
are,
and
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
I
said
earlier
that
you
must
vote
unless
you
have
a
legal
conflict
vote
shall
be
recorded,
except
when
there
appears
to
be
a
possible
conflict
all
right.
So
that's
it.
I've
left
my
my
email
and
my
phone
number.
If
you
have
any
questions
regarding
ethics,
Sunshine,
Law
public
record
cause
digital
quasi
judicial
proceedings
or
the
criteria.
Please
email
me.
Please
call
me
you
can
speak
to
me
before
or
after
meetings-
that's
usually
the
best.
F
But
my
goal
was
that
in
this
packet
you
should
be
able
to
answer
most
of
the
questions
that
kind
of
come
up
or
at
the
very
least.
It
should
be
a
starting
point
with
the
statute
with
the
code
with
even
the
case
law
or
the
Constitution.
So
you
can
go
in
and
do
I
have
any
questions.
Regarding
any
of
that
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
information.
There's
a
lot
of
PowerPoint,
but.
D
F
You
go
oh
good,
absolutely
I
just
want
to
also
let
you
know
that
the
you
know
the
Sunshine
Law
public
records
all
this
stuff.
It.
You
know
it's
very
established
it.
Some
of
it
goes
back
hundreds
of
years,
but
it's
constantly
being
updated.
It's
constantly
being
amended
every
year,
I
have
a
book.
That's
like
this
thick
that
is
called
the
sunshine
law
manual
and
especially
with
technology
public
records.
Changing
all
the
time
you
know
back
in
the
day
we
was
just.
It
was
a
paper
record,
and
now
you
have,
you
know,
text
messages,
voice,
mail.
A
F
Try
to
update
about
once
a
year
I
kind
of
go
through,
but
I
will
say
that
once
or
twice
a
week,
I'll
get
an
email
from
one
of
my
bosses
from
one
of
their
cities.
Saying:
hey
I
got
the
Sunshine
Law
question:
I
got
this
public
record
question
and
it
happens
all
the
time
and
it's
it's
very
Florida
is
a
very
broad
public
record,
but
also
has
a
lot
of
exceptions
and
then
there's
exceptions
to
exceptions.
F
So
there's
there's
holes
in
the
doughnut
and
there
the
legislature
is
always
amending
the
law
to
create
more
exceptions
or
to
create
fewer
exceptions.
So
it's
updated.
I
will
say
the
the
most
of
that
stuff
will
be
good
for
a
while
there
you're,
not
gonna.
Nothing
in
that
will
really
change.
It'll
just
be
a
little.
My
new
show
will
change
well.
F
G
G
Oh
the
standards
for
you,
know
bringing
forward
a
proposal
for
landmarks
and
all
that
is
in
article
seven.
Along
with
the
criteria
you
use
to
judge
applications
and
then
the
current
design
guidelines
I've
got
a
copy
of
that,
and
there
are
some
people
were
asking
about
getting
a
hard
copy
of
that
and
in
the
map
of
the
district.
G
G
In
most
the
surveys,
these
types
of
surveys
should
be
updated.
The
state
recommends
five
to
ten
years,
so
it's
over
ten
years.
There
are
obviously
jurisdictions
that
have
older
ones
that
haven't
done
it
and
and
ones
that
keep
up
with
that
every
five
years.
I
think
it's
due
for
for
a
refresher
and
a
look
again,
I
am
hoping
that
I
can
go
ahead
and
pursue
another
state
grant
next
year
to
update
this,
because
we
will
have
finished
our
design
guidelines
so.
G
When
you
look
at
that
map
and
look
at
the
structures
and
properties
and
what
they
each
are,
then
you
can
go
to
the
Florida
master
site
file
document.
That's
on
the
website
and
look
that
structure
up
by
its
number.
I've
got
three
examples
here
of
those
forms:
I'd
like
you
to
look
at
the
first,
one
I
won't
go
through
all
three,
but
just
to
look
at
that
form.
If
you
haven't,
haven't
used
it
a
lot.
The
first
one
is
an
example
of
a
contributing
structure.
So
I've
highlighted
some
of
the
parts
on
here.
G
E
G
This
is
the
survey
form
that
was
completed
in
2009.
They
were
all
done
in
2009
when
the
district,
the
National
Register
district,
was
reviewed
and
the
local
district
expanded
boundaries
were
established.
So
this
is
what
they
went
out.
They
completed
this
form
and
then
they
recommended
a
status
for
the
property.
So
at
the
top,
is
the
site
number
in
the
top
right
hand
corner,
and
then
you
can
you've
got
all
the
information
about
the
site.
Some
of
the
significant
stuff
we
look
at
are
the
alterations
and
additions
under
history.
The
description,
the
the
architectural
style.
G
G
E
G
Yeah
because
it's
huge
on
the
second
page,
there
is
summary
of
significance.
That's
where
you're
going
to
find
whether
this
is
contributing
contributing
altered
or
not
contributing
this
one
says
the
building
would
be
to
contributing
resource
to
the
to
the
district.
This
is
when,
obviously,
this
survey
was
done
prior
to
adoption
of
that
local
district.
So
that's
that's
why
it's
worded
that
way,
but
but
that
would
so.
This
is
a
contributing
and
then,
for
example,
on
the
next
one,
the
contributing
altered
it
says,
modifications
of
the
building
could
possibly
be
removed
to
reverse
it.
G
Talks
about
the
unsympathetic.
You
know,
modifications
and
subsequent
subsequently
may
retain
enough
integrity
to
be
considered
contributing.
So
that's
so
in
that
case
they
made
it
recommended
it
be
a
contributing
altered
so
that
that's
kind
of
usually
the
case
something's
been
put
on
it
or
something's
been
covered
up,
and
you
guys
have
seen
a
number
of
these
and,
of
course,
there's
the
I'm
non-contributing,
which
is
just
either
not
historic
or
or
it's
been
altered,
so
much
there's
no
way
to
get
it
back
and
so
on.
L
G
I
give
you
guys
each
a
copy
of
this
report,
which
is
also
on
the
website.
This
is
the
summary
report
for
the
1500
pages
of
master
site
file.
This
is
the
survey
summary
report.
I
strongly
strongly
encourage
you
to
read
it
and
it's
interesting
reading,
so
you
know
take
it
to
the
beach
and
read
it.
This
gives
you
the
context
really
for
what
you're
doing
with
the
historic
area
and
and
this
to
answer
your
question
about
the
survey
that
this
is
basically
what
would
be
redundant.
G
This
would
be
redone
and
then
the
results
would
be
the
map.
So
the
map
is
just
a
depiction
of
all
this
work.
The
the
master
site
file
forms
and
the
report,
then
that
was
done
so
I
will
be
applying
some
more
resources.
Some
of
you,
after
I,
had
the
training,
a
certified
local
government
training,
I
supplied
some
some
of
the
webinars
that
were
coming
up,
and
some
of
you
watched
those
and
I'll
be
put
on
pulling
that
together
and
supplying
that
information
again
and
updating
it.
A
G
G
Yeah
I
was
going
to
give
you
an
update
so
yeah.
So
if
we're
done
with
the
book,
I'll
go
right
into
basic
staff
comments.
First
of
all,
we
have
Michelle
Ryan
as
our
permanent
member
to
replace
Carol
Johnson,
so
that
was
done
at
last
Tuesday's
board
meeting,
and
then
we
have
a
new
alternate
who
is
not
sworn
in
yet,
but
I
asked
him
to
attend.
G
Phillip
Rosinski,
correct
all
right
and
Phillips
here,
just
accounting
because
he
wanted
to
sit
through
Patrick's
presentation
and
and
this
as
well
so
Phillip
will
be
getting
sworn
in
soon
and
hopefully
in
time.
For
the
next
meeting
I
would
think
just
one
adopt
date.
You
I
know
I
had
a
couple
questions
for
Laura.
We
I
would
like
to
do
more
of
this
some
and
and
set
up
some
training
for
you.
The
state
is
available
to
do
free
training
for
certified
local
governments,
and
they
do
want
to
have
them
down
here.
G
I
was
almost
to
that
point.
As
some
of
you
know,
we
are
planning
director
resigned
in
October,
so
we
had
just
gotten
to
full
staff
in
July
started
to
train
our
city
planner.
We
were
full
staff,
for
you
know
two
or
three
months
and
Heather
left,
so
we
are
currently
trying
to
fill
that
slot.
So
I
got
a
little
off
track
there.
So
I
do
still
intend
to
do
that.
A
G
G
L
G
So
I'll
be
putting
that
packet
together
and
that'll.
Be
I'll,
notify
you
all
when
that
packet
is
available,
that'll
be
going
forward
and
then
we,
yes
so
and
one
thing
to
just
real
quick,
maybe
to
touch
on
somebody
asked
me
about
workshops.
I
think
one
of
you
asked
me
about
workshops,
so
so
we
do
have
these
workshops
for
the
design
guidelines,
which
are
not
obviously
not
quasi-judicial.
G
This
is
this
is
a
discussion
where
everybody
gives
their
input
about
what
should
be
changed
on
the
design
guideline
to
see.
Some
of
the
board
members
have
sent
me
written
comments
and
those,
along
with
the
public's
written
comments,
are
continually
compiled
into
a
public
comment
record,
which
will
be
part
of
that.
But
what
Patrick
was
talking
about
with
sunshine
light?
Obviously
it's
a
meeting,
but.
F
So
just
so
workshops
sure
so
workshops
are
done
both
by
boards
by
Board
of
Commissioners.
A
workshop
is
just
that.
It's
something
where
you
have
an
idea
and
instead
of
bringing
an
ordinance
bringing
the
official
action,
you
want
talk
it
out
and
discussion
and
a
little
bit
more
informal
manner
with
that.
What
that
means
is
typically
especially
for
a
couple
of
things,
especially
for
meetings
that
are
very
by
you
know.
F
Procedurally
structured,
you
can
suspend
the
rules
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
all
just
talk
technically
Robert's
Rules
would
say
that
the
only
person
that
could
ever
talk
is
who
the
person
that's
recognized
by
the
chair
to
talk.
You
know
that
it's
not
really
done
here
right.
Secondly,
that's
when
you're,
actually
there
you're
doing
a
little
more
of
what
we
call
like
a
legislative
thing,
you're
actually
developing
policy.
A
F
C
F
Each
application
separately,
and
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
your
review
criteria.
If
you
you
only
decide
by
those
things,
the
11
things
and
then
specifically,
you
make
a
decision
on.
You
know
the
guidelines
and
the
application
and
the
testimony.
Having
said
that,
that
means
you've
not
supposed
to
make
a
decision
on
other
things:
property.
All
property
is
unique,
so
every
property
you
every
application
is
going
to
be
different.
Okay,
so
at
a
workshop
you
can
refer
to
past
applications.
I
wouldn't
refer
to
it
as
the
number
or
the
the
name.
A
F
But
you
could
say
we
in
the
past:
we've
had
a
bouquet
and
that's
the
time
to
talk
about
that
stuff.
At
a
workshop
yeah
in
the
past,
we've
had
an
application.
We
didn't
like
this.
We
had
to
vote
yes
because
of
this
or
we
had
to
vote
no
because
of
this,
but
we
don't
like
those
guys.
That's
that's.
When
you
can
talk
about
that
stuff.
F
F
A
G
D
G
D
D
Tonight,
good
general
question
not
of
early
about
this
when
you
get
an
application
for
like
a
roof,
and
it
goes
to
the
city
for
the
purple,
the
permit
and
it's
an
historical
structure.
If
they're
changing
like
say,
they've
got
a
metal
shingles
today,
dude
would
they
have
to
come
before
the
board
if
they're
gonna
put
a
standing
seam
instead
of
the
metal,
shingle
or
or
a
regular
dimensional
shingle?
Would
that
have
to
come
before
this
board
or
kid
in
the
city
just
yeah.
G
For
everything,
contributing
contributing
altered
and
contributing
if
it's
a
roof
repair
with
other
than
original
materials
and
style,
it's
an
HP
b
review
for
a
contributing
contributing
altered,
a
staff
review
for
a
non
contributing,
and
then
it
talks
about
Roofing
close
with
parapet
was
that's
a
flat
roof.
It
says
it's
exempt,
in
other
words
the
flat
part
of
the
roof
that
you
don't
see.
You
know
that's
a
staff
approval,
so
every
time
an
application
comes
in,
we
look
at
this
table
to
see
if
it
has
to
go
to
each
PB.
G
I
A
G
C
D
I
G
D
G
G
That's
the
way
it's
supposed
to
work,
yeah
everything
that
you
all
approve
or
do
in
anything
in
the
historic
district
comes
down
to
planning.
First,
before
a
building
ever
even
looks
at
it.
So
we
ensure
that,
like
like
these,
that
we
had
tonight,
we
will
look
at
it,
make
sure
it
matches
exactly
what
what's
been
approved
or
we'll
send
it
back
to
the
applicant
to
be
revised.
Then
building
looks
at
it
for
building
code
purposes,
so
all
that
all
those
drawings
and
everything
are
in
the
building
permit
file,
but.
A
Had
hired
a
contractor
that
was
not
licensed
and
that
destroyed
half
of
that
house
before
it
came
for
the
board,
and
then
we
were
after
the
fact-
and
that
seems
like
it's
happened
several
times
since
I've
been
on
the
board
and
I'm
just
curious
is
how
does
how
does
the
city
stop
this
because
yo
you
weren't
informed
of
it?
They
just
did
it
then
we've
lost
that
historical
building.
It's
no
longer
the
same.
So
why.
G
I
mean
that
that's
that's
a
problem
and
maybe
Patrick
can
chime
in
we
might
be
thinking
of
the
same
building.
I
can
think
of
one,
but
yeah
I
mean
that's
just
something
that
happens.
People
will
go
ahead
and
the
one
I'm
thinking
of
code
enforcement
stop
them,
but
they
got
wings.
And
sometimes
you
don't
know
what
they're
doing
on
the
inside
right.
Patrick
and
you.