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A
A
B
C
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
for
the
heritage
preservation
board
to
come
to
order.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call,
please?
Mr.
C
Okay,
let's
go
go
to
public
public.
Does
anybody
have
any
public
comments
before
we
start.
D
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that
before
I
do
the
quasi-judicial
announcements,
I
did
want
to
inform
the
applicants
that,
as
you
can
see,
you
have
three
board
members
tonight
that
is
a
quorum,
so
the
meeting
can
move
forward.
However,
for
any
of
the
applications
to
be
approved,
you
will
need
a
vote
of
all
three
individuals.
D
That
is
the
way
the
rules
were
written
for
this
board.
So
you
need
all
three
people
to
agree
to
move
your
application
forward.
If
you
wish
to
defer
to
another
meeting
where
there
are
hopefully
five
members,
our
majority
are
our
normal
full
board.
You
may
do
so
so
just
keep
that
in
mind
and
as
your
applicant
comes
application
comes
up.
If
you
wish
to
defer
to
let
us
know.
At
this
point,
I
will
read
the
cause
of
your
judicial
procedures.
D
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
heritage
preservation
board
acts
on
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact.
D
Based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it,
the
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
D
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
is
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
by
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
at
this
time.
I'll
ask
the
board
members:
has
anyone
had
any
ex
parte
communications
regarding
any
of
the
applications
before
you
tonight
hearing
none?
I
will
now
ask
the
members
of
the
board:
do
they
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
regarding
any
of
these
applications
before
them
tonight?
D
C
Reed
street,
adding
quite
a
few
things.
E
Yes,
okay,
good
evening,
I'm
attorney
michael
steffen
and
I'm
going
to
be
representing
the
artie
family
trust
for
the
160
read.
I
have
pre-prepared
our
presentation
and
I
have
adequate
handouts.
How
many
does
the
board
request
six?
I
believe.
A
B
F
Okay,
we're
all
ready
presenting.
F
C
F
Lamford
principal
planner,
so
this
is
application
2269
for
160
reed
street.
This
slide
shows
the
location
and
context
of
the
subject:
property.
F
F
The
application
the
applicant
is
seeking
approval
to
install
a
new
paver
driveway
and
walkways
patio
fencing,
remove
an
existing
curb
cut
to
reed
street
to
remove
an
exit,
an
existing
street
tree
and
install
a
major
landscaping
plan.
The
pool
has
actually
already
been
permitted
through
staff.
F
This
view
of
the
property
is
showing
the
back
where
the
pool
and
the
paver
patio
and
the
proposed
outdoor
kitchen
would
be
located.
As
you
could
see,
it
would
be
behind
the
courtyard
walls
and
would
not
be
visible
from
the
street.
F
The
our
criteria,
the
proposed
six
foot
fence
in
the
front
yard
setback
is,
is
inconsistent
with
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
land
development
code
and
surrounding
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties.
The
style
of
the
proposed
aluminum
fence
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
properties.
The
the
proposed
six-foot
wood
fence
would
be
unique
in
the
surrounding
area.
There's
nothing
quite
like
it
around
there.
However,
the
subject
property
is
also
unique.
F
F
F
F
None
of
the
the
pool
plans
would
be
visible
from
the
street
and
therefore
wouldn't
change
the
streetscape
at
all.
The
the
addition
of
the
brick
pavers
and
the
landscape
escaping
would
enhance
the
aesthetics
and
increase
increase,
the
harmony
between
the
property
and
historic
brick
street
through
the
use
of
similar
materials.
F
F
G
F
F
I've
already
mentioned
that
it's
not
compliant
with
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
land
development
code,
because
you
can't
have
a
fence
that
is
higher
than
four
feet
in
your
front
yard.
That's
just
against
the
code.
F
F
F
So
if
the
applicant
were
to
change
that
to
a
forefoot,
we
that
would
be
okay,
if
they're
unable
to
make
that
change,
they
need
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments
to
seek
a
variance
because
that
it's
not
compliant
with
the
code.
So
this
board
has
the
ability
to
approve
or
deny
whatever
components
of
this
plan
that
they
see
fit.
However,
this
board
does
not
have
the
purview
to
say
that
the
height
is
acceptable.
That's
the
purview
of
the
board
of
adjustments.
F
So
if,
if
the
heritage
preservation
board
renders
a
an
approval
for
this
project,
staff
recommends
the
following
conditions:
that
the
proposed
aluminum
fence
along
reed
street,
be
no
higher
than
four
feet
to
be
compliant
with
the
code
and
then
that
the
certificate
of
approval
would
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
building
permit
isn't
issued-
and
this
project
was
publicly
noticed-
and
we
have
not
received
any
responses-
and
with
that
do
you
have
any
questions?
Okay,.
C
Okay,
the
applicant.
E
Yes,
good
evening,
well,
the
record
reflected
I
handed
out
a
presentation
that
is
27
pages
in
length
to
all
the
board
members
this
evening.
Page
one
just
goes
and
shows
us.
The
overview
is
what
we're
talking
about.
I
think
the
city
did
a
good
job,
explaining
exactly
where
this
property
is.
This
evening
I
have
two
experts.
E
One
is
mr
mark
schatz
he's
here
to
talk
about
the
fencing
he's,
the
one
that
will
be
doing
the
fencing,
the
vegetation
as
well
as
the
paper,
so
there's
any
question
regarding
that
he
can
address
it.
We
also
have
the
general
contractor
here
who's,
mr
matt
selby
he's
been
handling
the
project
as
well,
so
they're,
both
here
to
answer
questions
that
you
guys
may
have
slide
three
again
quickly.
What
the
presentation
that
I
plan
on
showing
is
that
the
general
aesthetics
of
the
mixed
use
of
the
fence
would
be
appropriate
in
this
situation.
E
We
believe
that
the
wrong
standard
of
review
is
being
used
as
it
contorts
to
a
front
yard
and
a
side
yard,
and
that's
primarily
the
basis
of
this
presentation.
Also,
we
want
to
be
able
to
show
exactly
what's
going
on
in
that
specific
street.
This
property
is
very
unique
as
to
the
way
it
was
cut
during
a
certain
period
of
time.
It
was
part
of
other
parcels,
and
then
it
began
to
degrade
into
one
parcel
that
you
see
today.
There's
rear
driveway
access
and
all
kinds
of
stuff.
E
So
I
think
it's
important
to
be
able
to
see
that
to
understand
fully
why
the
applicant
wants
this
done
to
make
it
look,
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
again,
that's
the
overall
goal
is
aesthetics
and
we
want
it
to
be
environmentally
conscious
as
well.
Also
we're
going
to
go
over
in
length
the
difference
between
a
side
yard
and
a
front
yard.
E
So,
moving
on
slide
number
four
again
draw
your
attention
to
that.
The
way
that
this
property
is
configured
is
quite
unique.
As
you
see
it
sits
on
the
corner
and
it
has
arguably
views
of
three
streets.
That's
better
understood
by
looking
at
slide
five.
It
has
reed
street
canal
street
and
canal
street
from
the
front
door.
You
can
see
north
spring
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
it
is
on
a
corner
slide.
Six,
it
shows
directly.
E
What
you
would
see
is
if
you
were
standing
on,
what
is
the
proposed
location
of
the
new
fence
across
the
way
you
see
clearly
a
black
fence
and,
as
we
keep
turning
you'll
see
that
that
is
a
six
foot
fence
as
well
as
gates,
so
that
is
how,
across
the
street
enters
into
their
dwelling
unit
slide.
Seven
shows
the
corner
that
you
would
see
looking
directly
from
where
the
stop
sign
is
and
as
you
can
see,
their
fence
does
drop
down.
Number
eight
is
a
panoramic
view
to
the
best
that
we
could.
E
Here
you
got
a
six
foot
fence
that
runs
the
totality
of
the
side
until
it
gets
to
the
viewing
corner.
Then
drops
down
again
number
nine
is
a
closer
up
view
of
what
you
would
see
directly
across
the
proposed
six
foot
fence
gate.
You
would
see
a
six
foot
fence
gate
that
is
appropriate
as
to
what
we
would
be
installing.
So
there
is
no
material
difference
when
you
look
across
the
street
from
from
where
we're
at
to
where
they're
at
slide.
E
E
E
I
think
it's
important
too
to
recognize
that
there's
a
stop
sign
there
that
stop
sign
is
also
quite
large.
It's
approximately
nine
feet
in
height
additionally
slide.
14
shows
you
what
you
would
see
if
you're
standing
in
the
dwelling
unit.
Looking
out,
you
can
see
the
six
foot
fence
you
can
see
it
dropped,
you
can
see
the
stop
sign
and
then
you
kind
of
see
the
the
flow
of
traffic
that
would
be
seen
from
there
slide.
15
is
a
google
image
again.
E
E
So
slide
18
is
going
to
show
the
proposed
fencing
that
we're
looking
to
do
so,
the
fence
it
would
be
in
the
rear,
where
you
see
the
palms
in
the
back.
That
would
be
wood,
taking
that
across
the
back
and
then
vertically
up
front.
That
is
wood
as
well.
So
there's
almost
an
l
shaped.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that
wood
fence
would
be
materially
covered
by
the
plants
that
are
going
to
be
installed.
E
It's
not
something
that
would
just
be
out
in
the
open,
there's
a
plethora
of
different
exotic
plants
that
are
that
are
planning
to
be
in.
So
when
you
look
at
the
dwelling,
you
wouldn't
particularly
see
the
wood
fences
stand
out.
Additionally,
as
you
get
to
the
front,
if
you
take
from
the
corner
of
where
reed
ends,
where
the
stop
sign
was
you
see,
it
would
go
from
four
feet
and
then
it
would
go
to
six
foot.
So
why
is
it
making
a
change
to
have
a
four
foot
fence
with
a
four
foot?
E
Gate
is
not
something
that
you'd
want
to
look
at
across
the
street.
Again,
it's
a
six
foot
gate,
it's
not
practicable!
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
do
it
that
way
and
that's
why
we're
asking
for
the
raise
to
six
foot
now
we're
going
to
focus
on
what
is
the
standard
overview?
E
E
The
city's
presentation
neglects
to
define
side
yard,
which
we
believe
is
important
and
that's
241.
243.
A
side
yard
is
a
yard
between
the
side
lot
line
and
the
sides
of
the
structure
measured
from
the
front
yard,
to
the
rear
yard.
Perpendicular
from
the
side
lot
line
and
the
closest
point
of
the
structure.
E
Slide
21
has
the
definition
of
a
of
a
side
yard,
and
I
want
to
just
walk
through
our
interpretation
here.
Where
you
see
the
corner
of
the
building
would
be
the
ending
of
the
front
yard
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
our
version
of
the
facts
here
that
the
side
yard
is
the
entirety
of
the
right
right
hand,
side
if
that
is
indeed
the
side
yard
that
would
allow
for
a
six
foot
fence
to
be
installed
because
it
would
be
compliant
with
the
code.
E
The
city
proposes
that
the
totality
of
the
property
only
has
a
front
yard
and
there
is
no
side
yard
and
that's
reflected
in
slide
22.
If
you
bring
out
the
property
and
stretch
it
out,
you
can
clearly
see
that
it
would
be
in
a
giant
front
yard,
but
that's
not
the
case
again.
The
driveway
is
the
front
yard,
slide
24
again
we're
here
on
the
historical
board.
E
I
think
it's
important
to
notice
that
in
2014
it
is
clearly
defined
that
there
was
some
type
of
walkway
that
would
indicate
the
difference
between
the
front
yard
and
the
side
yard.
Obviously
the
dwelling
has
changed
over
time
because
it
was
completely
rehabbed,
but
you
can
clearly
articulate
where
the
arrow
is.
It
says
side
yard.
That
was
the
intention
of
the
side
yard.
It
wasn't
intended
to
have
the
entire
property,
have
frontage
and
be
the
front
yard.
E
Slide
25
again,
where
you
see
the
orange
dot
on
the
corner,
we
would
argue
that
that
is
the
end
of
the
front
yard,
all
the
way
to
the
tip
of
the
triangle.
At
the
end
of
reed,
where
you
start
seeing,
the
pavers
would
be
the
side
yard.
If
that's
the
side
yard,
the
standard
would
be
to
allow
six
foot
fence
which
would
be
consistent
with
the
neighbor
across
the
street.
E
E
E
The
overall
goal
is
to
provide
in
and
access
to,
the
garage
doors
which
would
be
located
in
the
side
yard
there
and
provide
something
that
would
look
like
a
postcard
image,
as
opposed
to
the
way
that
it
looks
now
so
again,
mr
martier
is
just
trying
to
beautify
the
situation,
he's
obviously
respectful
of
the
board,
but
in
this
situation
it
is
illogical
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
the
property
has
no
side
yard
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
H
I
Good
question:
hi,
I'm
brian
schatz,
the
landscape
designer,
so
the
wooden
fence,
a
horizontal
type
that
is
beautiful
on
both
sides,
its
shadow
box,
horizontal
many
vertical
structures,
close
together
to
hold
it
up
to
no
sagging.
This
is
going
to
be
a
very
nice
high,
classy
wooden
fence
on
the
inside.
It's
barely
going
to
be
seen
on
the
outside.
I
I
did
make
some
changes
that
didn't
make
it
to
this
review,
so
there's
a
sight
triangle.
They
are
respected,
there's
nothing
taller
than
three
three
feet:
four
plants,
so
everybody
can
see
across
and
that
fence
takes
about
a
15
foot
jog
up
that
side.
So
that
way,
the
neighbor
backing
out
can
see
right
through
the
picket
fence,
the
aluminum
and
either.
If
it's
four
feet
or
six
feet,
you
can
still
see
through
a
picket
fence.
I
So
I
say
that
my
design
is
correct
for
a
side
yard
six
feet
you
can
have
that
and
for
the
frontage
for
someone.
Looking
at
this
beautiful
building,
seeing
a
picket
fence
you'll
see
the
beautiful
landscape.
You'll
see
the
beautiful
driveway.
It
won't
be
some
wooden
fence
wrapping
all
the
way
around.
You
don't
want
to
have
a
wooden
fence.
I
I
H
I
If
we
got
shot
down
and
we
had
to
have
a
forefoot
fence,
I
would
at
least
want
to
have
it
swoop
up
and
become
six
feet
and
look
like
a
grand
entrance
and
not
have
this
silly.
Four
footer,
you
know
defacing
the
front.
I
E
E
Yes,
apologies
attorney,
michael
steffen
speaking
again
here.
The
the
interpretation
that
we
have
is
if
that
is
a
side
yard,
the
standard
would
allow
this
board
to
put
a
six
foot
fence.
If
you
make
the
determination
that
that's
not
a
side
yard,
then
the
four
foot
fence
would
ultimately
have
to
be
appropriate
based
on
the
criteria
of
what
is
a
front
yard.
So
it's
both
a
legal
standard
as
well
as
an
aesthetic
one.
G
Yeah
mike
cascuda,
623,
east
tarpon
avenue
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
property,
and
I-
and
I
was
scratching
out
she
was
talking
to
the
attorney-
is
how
do
you
designate
the
front
yard
when
you
actually
face
three
streets?
So
what's
the
side
yard?
Where
is
the
front
yard
and
I've
always
as
I
drive
down
through
there
canal
street
et
cetera,
I
always
kind
of
scratch.
F
I
would
just
say
that
it
is
not
a
staff's
contention
that
there
is
no
side
yard
and,
to
the
gentleman's
point
that
we
do
have
a
regulation
in
the
code
that
states
on
a
corner
lot.
The
front
yard
shall
be
determined
by
the
locations
of
the
principal
entrance
to
so
that
grand
front
staircase
and
the
primary
orientation
of
the
structure,
which
is
to
the
bayou,
which
is
often
most
often
facing
the
narrowest
width
of
the
lot.
F
H
Well,
kinda,
is
it
this
commissions,
this
committee's?
Is
it
under
our
purview
to
decide
what
the
front
yard
is
and
what
the
side
yard
is.
I
didn't
think
so.
It.
B
H
That
the
city
is
correct
on
what
they're
calling
a
front
yard
and
a
side
yard
and
the
four
foot
heights.
The
gentlemen
mentioned
the
gate
that
if
we
held
hill
head
held
them
to
the
four
foot
height
that
they
would
consider
some
sort
of
archway
on
the
fence.
Would
that
still
be
against
any
ordinances?
Or
could
it
be
looked
at
as
maybe
an
architectural
feature
that
really
doesn't
have
any
height
restrictions.
C
Any
more
questions
hearing
none
do
you
have
do
we
have
a
motion.
C
E
Again,
I
understand
that
the
city's
position
that
needs
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments,
but
this
is
some
type
of
circular
logic.
If
we
go
back
there,
we
still
have
to
come
here
to
be
approved.
So
what
we're
looking
for
is
the
preliminary
approval
to
do
that,
to
the
extent
that
we're
denied
it's
our
intention
to
go
to
the
commission
and
appeal
the
decision
truthfully.
So
we're
looking
for
some
guidance
on
that,
and
perhaps
ms
meyer
could
opine
on
that.
E
But
again
it
we're
going
to
end
up
back
here
whether
we
can
put
the
six
foot
fence
or
the
four
foot
fence
because
of
the
criteria
that
the
city
has
for
the
historic
board.
So
we're
looking
for
an
approval
for
that
six.
If
we
have
to
go
somewhere
else
like
the
board
of
adjustments
to
do
that,
we
can
most
definitely
do
that.
It's
my
understanding
of
the
law
and
ms
meyer
potentially
could
open
that
that's
correct.
E
But
if
you
deny
this
application
for
the
six
foot
fence
pending
the
review
of
border
justice,
we
have
no
objection
to.
We
intend
to
appeal
it,
but
there
are
two
different
silos
that
we
have
to
go
through.
This
is
one
of
the
criteria,
so
we
would
just
ask
the
board.
You
know
preliminary
if
you
believe
that
it's
the
right
decision
contingent
upon
the
board
of
adjustments,
if
you
would
wish
to
approve
it,
it
saves
us
a
step.
E
Ultimately,
if
it's
denied
we'll
either
have
to
appeal,
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments
and
then
come
right
back
here
which
just
causes
an
extensive
delay
in
time.
Obviously,
nobody
lives
in
this
building.
Currently
I
don't
know
what
the
position
is
of
the
client.
If
he's
going
to
immediately
resell
it
hold
on
to
it.
I
don't
know,
but,
as
you
know,
every
day
that
the
building
sits
there,
it
costs
money.
So
we
want
to
make
this
go
as
quickly
and
smoothly
as
possible,
and
I
have
nothing
further.
Thank
you.
E
A
And
if
staff
may
be
recognized,
pat
mcneese
principal
planner,
if
you
wish
to
you,
could
state
whether
the
six
foot
height
of
the
fence,
the
gate
or
both
are
acceptable
to
you,
provided
a
variance
is
great,
provided
you
know
the
applicant
obtain
a
variance.
You
could
that's
another
option.
You
could
do
that
way
to
the
attorney's
point.
There
would
not
be
a
need
to
return
to
this
board.
A
E
And
we'd
also
like
an
answer
as
to
the
board's
decision
on,
if
it's
appropriate
under
the
board's
guidance
to
have
the
wood
as
well
as
the
aluminum
in
conjunction.
So
you
know
again.
Obviously
we
requested
it
if.
D
E
D
H
D
H
H
H
H
Can
I
add
on
to
it
a
little
bit?
Oh
geez,
I
know
these
things
can
get
really
crazy
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
say
this,
but
I
personally
would
also
be
willing
to
approve
if
for
some
reason,
the
variance
didn't
go
through,
but
they
approved
the
little
arch,
arched
gate.
I
would
put
that
as
part
of
the
motion
to
approve
either
or
does
that
make
sense.
C
H
B
H
H
C
H
And
and
frankly
I
I
understand
this-
is
it's
a
it's,
a
very
unique
property
and
yeah
I'm
not
sold
on
what
the
front
yard
and
side
yard
are
I
go
along,
so
that's
why
I'm
willing
to
give
a
little
here
I'll,
be.
B
Ms
kaplan,
I
approve
mr
marzinski.
Yes,
mr
specker,
I
approve.
C
C
D
C
D
E
B
H
H
B
E
B
E
D
D
You
were
fine
with
it
being
six
foot
at
the
board,
was
fine
with
it
or
the
gate
could
be
six
foot.
They
didn't
want
the
whole
thing,
so
I
think
it
needs
to
indicate
he
said
front
yard
and
then
they
can
take
up
the
issue
with
whether
it's
front
yard
or
side
yard,
with
the
board
of
adjustment
exactly.
B
C
F
C
Okay,
this
is
for
existing,
forge
some
repairs
on
that.
A
A
F
F
The
florida
master
site
file
for
this
property
lists
it
as
contributing
and
it
was
built
in
circa
1910,
it's
listed
as
a
masonry
vernacular,
but
it
also
exhibits
queen
anne
elements.
This
is
the
photo
from
the
florida
master
site
file.
F
Here
is
a
showing
the
property's
location
on
the
1913
sanborn
map
and
here's
just
a
little
diagram
showing
some
of
the
queen.
Anne
elements
has
multiple
wall
textures
decorative
chimney,
multiple
roof
lines:
multiple
gable,
dormers,
the
turned
wood
post
ballast
for
trade,
stained
glass,
transom,
the
brickfield
foundation,
foundation,
wrap
porch
and
the
chamfered
wood
post
railing.
F
F
And
then
they
propose
replacing
the
turned
wood
balustrade
with
this
prefabricated
vinyl
railing.
F
F
The
proposed
project
would
replace
original
historic
materials
with
prefabricated
vinyl,
rather
than
attempting
to
repair
or
replace
damaged
posts
and
railings
with
wood,
as
it's
proposed
for
other
elements
of
this
project.
The
original
appearance
and
materials
of
the
porch
should
be
maintained
to
retain
the
architectural
integrity
of
the
structure
and
the
character
of
the
district.
F
F
In
addition,
this
project
does
not
meet
the
secretary
standards
and
it
conflicts
with
the
following
standards:
in
particular,
the
historic
character
of
a
property
shall
be
retained
and
preserved.
The
removal
of
history,
historic
materials
or
alterations
of
features
and
spaces
that
characterize
a
property
shall
be
avoided.
F
Distinctive
features
finishes,
construction
techniques
or
examples
of
craftsmanship
that
characterize
a
property
shall
be
preserved
and
deteriorated.
Historic
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
where
the
severity
of
the
deterioration
requires
replacement
of
a
distinctive
feature.
The
new
feature
shall
match
the
old
in
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities
and
where
possible,
materials
replacement
of
missing
features
shall
be
substantiated
by
documentary,
physical
or
pictorial
evidence
and,
more
significantly.
F
F
I'm
just
kind
of
reiterating
all
of
that,
so
this
slide
here
you
can
see
the
existing
bell
straight.
F
You
can
order
these
fabricated
made
out
of
wood.
It's
there,
they're,
not
impossible
to
replace
and
replacing
it
with
vinyl
is,
is
just
not
appropriate.
F
And
here
are
the
the
guidelines
that
are
particularly
relevant
guideline
70
that
we
want
to,
you
know,
maintain
the
porch
as
much
as
possible.
If
we,
if
we
can't
keep
it,
we
want
to
replace
it
as
much
as
possible.
F
We
don't
want
to
make
changes
to
the
facade
that
that
turned
balustrade
is
part
of
what
makes
the
property
unique
and
replacing
it
with
you
know,
rather
plain
vinyl
would
damage
the
architectural
integrity
of
the
structure,
so
the
best
choice
would
be
to
replace
or
repair
well.
The
best
choice
would
be
to
repair
where
possible
and
replace
where
not
so,
staff
is
recommending
denial.
F
If
you
should
render
a
decision
of
approval
for
this
project,
staff
recommends
the
following
conditions:
the
balustrade
either
be
repaired
or
replaced
with
wood
in
an
appropriate
turned
post
style
and
that
the
certificate
of
approval
would
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
permit
has
not
been
issued
for
the
project
like
that,
you
can
ask
any
questions
if.
F
F
No,
sir,
so
this
this
is
what
they're
proposing
for
that
that
second
floor
they're,
proposing
to
make
repairs
to
the
bottom
floor
with
with
wood.
C
No
okay,
okay
applicant.
J
Hi
I'm
chris
wilson.
I
live
at
210
north
gross
here
in
tarpon
springs.
J
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
railing
on
this
on
the
upper
portion
of
this
house-
I
doubt
it's
original
well,
I
know
it's
not
original,
but
I
don't
think
it
was
there
when
the
home
was
built,
there's
no
door
going
out
there.
It's
just
it's
a
an
ornamental
thing:
it
it's
definitely
probably
10,
15
years
old
last
when
it
was
replaced
last
it's
difficult
to
maintain
it
because
there's
not
a
door
coming
out
there.
It's
just
window
access.
J
The
vinyl,
although
it
is
different
in
look
from
the
street
you
can't
tell,
but
also
it's
not
going
to
rot
this
house
is
always
going
to
fight
those
turns
and
joints
and
there's
so
many
parts,
sometimes
that
they're
constantly
going
to
to
fight
this.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
repair
the
porch
and
keep
it's.
J
Is
we're
taking
apart
just
parts
of
this
porch
and
we're
leaving
everything
we
can
leave
and
just
replacing
the
rod
so
we're
going
to
great
great
lengths
and
the
customers
are
paying
a
little
extra
for
us
to
do
that,
to
make
sure
we
maintain
the
whole
porch
as
much
as
we
can
we're
even
trying
to
keep
the
original
metal
shingles
on
top.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
reseal
those
with
with
a
component
called
hydra,
stop,
but
we're
going
to
keep
everything
we
can
but
the
railing.
J
B
J
J
C
H
J
The
balustrade
is
is
rotten
all
the
way
around
it.
That's
just
the
front
right
there.
The
front
is
actually
the
worst
part,
but
there
is
rot
all
the
way
around
it.
It's
not
repairable.
We
would
have
to
replace
it
with
something
and
we
can
get
wood.
This
isn't
a
question
of
whether
or
not
we
can
get
wood.
It's
a
question
of
the
customer
not
wanting
to
replace
it
again
in
10
or
15
years.
J
That's-
and
maybe
we
could
find
something
that
had
some
more
rna
fixtures
to
it
to
to
keep
a
vinyl,
but
it
look
similar
to
that.
That's
that's
a
possibility,
too.
The
reason
why
I
went
with
that
particular
railing
is
because
I
actually
lived
next
door
and
I
I
had
a
I
have
a
permit
for
a
fence
in
the
front
of
my
house.
It's
the
same
thing,
so
I
thought
that
since
it
was
approved
for
my
home,
which
is
an
historical
district
too
that
it
would
be
approved
there.
H
So
approximately
what's
the
percentage
of
the
railings
that
are
bad,
that
need
repair,
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six,
seven,
eight
nine
ten
there's
about
25
or
so
across
the
front.
How
many
of
those
are
rotten?
All.
J
J
You
see
how
it's
falling
off
the
bottom
of
those
guys,
it's
because
when
they,
when
that
system,
when
this
thing
was
assembled
in
the
factory,
wherever
I
mean
it's
not
sealed,
where
those
with
those
balusters
hit
that
bottom,
rail
and
so
water
gathers
there
and
the
base
of
every
one
of
them
has
got
rot
to
the
extent
is
varies
but
they've
already
all
started
to
rot
and
they're,
not
just
going
to
keep
rotting.
I
mean
this.
Isn't
this
this
isn't
part
of
the
original
structure.
It
was
definitely
if
it
did
have
a
railing.
K
Sorry
I
promised
myself,
I
wouldn't
interfere
in
any
other
cases,
but
I'm
going
to
do
so.
My
name
is
gil
livingstone.
I'm
a
forensic
architect
there's
one
problem
with:
what's
there
I
addressed
you
please,
my
address
is
16650
remembrance
way,
lando
leaks,
the
problem
with
fixing,
that
is
by
code
once
you
touch
it
and
have
to
replace
parts
of
it.
It
all
has
to
meet
modern
code
because
of
the
width
of
all
of
those
spindles.
K
They
cannot
meet
modern
code,
which
means
it
is
illegal
for
him
to
go
back
with
it
as
it
exists,
he's
not
allowed
to
do
that.
That
is
straight
out
of
the
florida
building
code,
2027th
edition.
So
my
suggestion
is,
if
you're
not
sure
check
with
your
building
department,
they
will
tell
you
the
exact
same
thing.
But
to
be
honest,
I
do
a
lot
of
expert
witness
work
and
I'm
telling
you
it's
directly
in
there
so.
C
K
When
you
work
on
a
railing
or
any
part
of
a
building,
for
instance,
if
you
touch
any
part
of
a
building,
whether
it
is
a
repair
replacement,
whatever
it
has
to
be
done
to
modern
code,
in
other
words,
let's
say
this
was
done
in
the
50s.
We
had
no
real
code
in
florida
in
the
50s.
We
all
know
that
modern
code
requires
that
the
railings
the
space
between
them
cannot
be
more
than
four
inches
and
because
that's
got
windows
surrounding
it
and
children
can
get
out
on
that
patio.
K
Is
you
take
a
little
four
inch
ball
and
you
push
it
right
through
if
it
goes
through
it's
too
wide,
but
that's
straight
out
of
code
and
because
the
whole
thing
is
toast
and
because
so
much
of
it
has
to
be
repaired,
you're
not
allowed
to
go
back
with
what
it
was
now
make
him
go
back
with
wood,
whatever
that's
up
to
you
guys,
but
it
cannot
go
back
in
this
style
with
that
width
of
opening.
It's
not
allowed.
K
C
F
I
I
was
just
say
that
you
know
clearly
you
can
get
wood,
we
can
do
something
with
wood.
I
would
argue
that
it
may
not
be
original
to
the
original
structure,
but
the
eclectic
nature
of
this
property
and
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
itself
makes
this
an
architectural
feature
of
this
home.
That
has
significance
in
its
own
right
at
this
point,
vinyl
is
clearly
not
an
appropriate
material.
F
J
I
I
don't
disagree
that
we
can
get
wood
absolutely.
We
can
just
the
only
reason
why
we
wanted
to
try
to
not
have
to
replace
it
again,
but
we
can
get
wood
and
if
the
staff
would
approve
it
with
wood,
we
would
we
would.
We
would
accept
that
we
really
need
to
get
this
through
the
building
department,
because
this
structure
is
I
right
now
I
have
it.
Jacked
up
and
held
up
with
with
posts.
K
J
H
Can
I
ask
him
a
question,
of
course,
all
right,
you
mentioned
that
you
would
be
okay
with
wood,
but
what
is
the
design
that
you're
looking
at?
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
made
it
in
wood,
are
you
looking
to
just
have
the
simple
two
by
twos
or
whatever
straight
line
up,
or
are
you
looking
to
match
what's
here
now.
J
B
H
D
H
So
I
don't
have
to
say
that
I'm
denying
anything
that
I
would
approve
with.
D
H
Staff
recommendations
and
that's
good
enough
right.
Okay,
I
make
a
motion
then
to
approve
as
long
as
we
go,
along
with
the
staff
recommendations.
C
Okay,
here,
a
second
second,
okay,
good,
okay,
just
a
couple
comments.
One
is:
I
fully
appreciate
your
talking
about
the
widths
okay.
What
we're
dealing
with
right
now
is
the
style.
Of
course.
We
have
to
go
with
modern
day
conventions
and
stuff
like
that,
but
we're
talking
about
style
number
two
is
hardy
board
things
like
this,
that
is
used
on
the
houses
now
as
a
substitute,
they
look
like
original
wood.
They
look
like
the
original
part
that
was
on
there.
Okay,
so
that's
what
I
think
we're
trying
to
preserve
right.
C
J
C
D
C
J
C
C
A
C
F
C
F
So
here
is
the
location
and
context
of
the
subject:
property.
F
And
the
applicant
is
seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
to
remove
the
existing
rubber
float,
faux
slate
roof
and
two
excellent
chimneys
to
below
the
roof
deck
to
be
replaced
with
asphalt,
shingles
for
the
main
roof
and
copper
standing
seam
metal
on
the
two
existing
dormer
roofs,
copper,
drip,
edge
and
valley.
Flashing
is
also
proposed.
F
The
florida
master
site
file
for
this
form
for
the
structure
rather
lists
this
as
a
contributing
property
built.
Circa
1890
as
a
single
family,
residence
and
queen
anne
styling,
is
expressed
in
this
structure
through
its
asymmetrical
plan.
Multiple
roof
lines
with
front-facing
gable,
decorative
chimneys
with
corbel,
brick
caps,
multi-paned
upper
sash
windows,
brick
pier
foundation,
awful
with
port
chamfered
wood
posts
and
a
wood
balustrade.
F
F
F
The
shape
and
texture
of
the
roof
shall
replicate
the
shape,
texture
and
type
of
root,
distinguishing
the
original
architecture
and
structures
of
similar
style
to
your
bottom
left.
That's
kind
of
a
blow
up
of
the
sandboard
map
which
it's
hard
to
see,
even
though
I
blew
it
up
a
lot,
but
it's
showing
that
originally
it
had
a
shingle
roof,
so
a
shingle
roof
would
be
appropriate
in
the
middle.
F
So
again,
you
know,
distinctive
architectural
features
should
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
consistent
with.
I
think
the
property's
original
architectural
style
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
existing
chimneys.
F
Which
would
obviously
remove
original
materials
so
guideline
63,
we
just
went
over
that
the
roof
is
one
of
the
most
prominent
and
defining
features
of
tarpon
avenue.
The
complex
roof
line
with
steeply
sloping
cross
cables,
dormers
and
expect
exposed
rafter
ends
is
typical.
Queen
and
styling.
The
decorated
ridge
chimneys
contribute
to
the
complexity
of
this
roofline.
F
There's
historic,
there's
sufficient
historic
evidence
to
indicate
that
the
structure
originally
had
a
shingle
roof
and
therefore
replacement
with
asphalt.
Shingles
is
appropriate.
There's
no
evidence
that
the
dormers
ever
had
a
different
roof
material
than
the
main
roof,
and
therefore
the
addition
of
copper
standing
steam
metal
roofing
to
the
dormers
is
not
considered
appropriate.
F
F
F
And
I
don't
think
that
that
it's
consistent
with
the
secretary's
guidelines,
particularly
that
the
historic
character
of
the
property
should
be
retained
and
preserved
and
removing
the
chimneys,
would
be
removing
historic
materials
and
altering
one
of
the
distinctive
features
of
the
property
and
an
example
of
craftsmanship.
F
F
F
In
addition,
the
guidelines
point
to
dormers
that
roof
that
they
should
match
the
form
size,
shape
and
materials
wherever
possible,
of
the
main
roof.
So
unless
there
was
some
sort
of
evidence
that
that
was
a
feature
of
the
property
before
the
dormer
roof
should
match
the
main
roof
chimneys
and
vents.
Obviously
we
need
to
maintain
existing
chimneys.
That's
guideline
number
69.,
even
even
if
they're
no
longer
functioning
chimneys,
they
should
be
retained.
F
F
Asphalt,
shingles
should
be
utilized
for
the
entire
roof,
including
the
dormers.
Chimneys
must
be
retained
and,
if
necessary,
report
repaired,
using
materials
consistent
with
the
historic
brick
chimney
and
then
that
the
certificate
approval
would
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
building
permit
has
not
been
issued,
the
project
was
publicly
noticed.
We
did
not
receive
a
formal
response,
but
a
concerned
citizen.
I
did
call-
and
I
discussed
the
project
with
her.
C
C
Okay:
okay
with
the
yeah,
we
have.
G
To
come
up,
yes,
I'm
mike
scootis,
I
am
the
applicant
first.
Let
me
point
out
that
I
spent
considerable
amounts
of
money
preserving
this
house.
Had
I
not
bought
it
when
I
bought
it,
and
I've
actually
had
my
contractor
here
to
attest
to
that
the
house
would
have
collapsed.
We
had
to
replace
all
the
the
the
footers
underneath
the
house
at
control,
expense.
G
We
had
to
replace
the
plumbing,
get
all
the
electrical
up
to
date.
Last
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
replace
the
roof.
G
We
completely
renovated
the
inside,
but
the
roof,
as
you
can
see
the
prior
owner,
how
he
was
able
to
get
past
the
historical
preservation
board.
I
don't
know,
but
there
are
rubber
shingles
that
have
curled
up
as
such,
I've
got
a
lot
of
issues
with
regard
to
the
roof,
a
lot
of
the
leaking.
You
know
it's
maybe
should
have
waited
to
get
this
resolved
before
I
did
the
inside,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
G
I
don't,
obviously
I
I
think
the
the
staff
does
recommend.
With
regard
to
shingles,
I
thought
the
the
dormer,
with
a
with
a
a
copper
dormer,
would
give
it
an
aesthetic
pleasing
look
because
it
would
be
a
dark,
copper
dormer
and
I,
I
would
ask,
were
copper
dormers
a
part
of
the
architectural
design
back
in
in
the
1900s.
D
G
Okay,
I'd
also
I'd
ask
staff
this:
what
is
the
standard
for
review
for
an
economic
hardship
or
a
structural
difficulty.
A
G
Hearing
I'm
allowed
to
ask
questions
of
a
witness
and
I'm
the
applicant,
so
I
am
I
and
I
would
I
would
defer
to
the
the
attorney
you're.
D
D
G
G
G
Okay,
so
so
what
I
want
to
look
at
and
ask
questions
about,
is
you
know
I
I
I
sit
here
and,
and
I
look
at
the
pro
you
know
I
sometimes
I
watch
you
watch
this
board
on
television
and
I
look
at
the
applicants
come
up
and
one
of
the
questions
that
always
comes
across
to
me
is
the
requirements
having
a
historic
property
and
the
economics
or
the
affordability.
You
know
so
you.
G
D
G
C
F
C
G
Enough
fair
enough,
my
concern
with
regard
to
the
chimney
is:
is
structurally
it's
unsafe.
G
The
the
pitch
on
the
roof
is
trying
to
find
somebody
to
tuck
point
that
that
chimney
is
is
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
but
even
if
I
did,
there
are
still
problems
with
regard
to
the
structure
of
the
chimney
that
may
preclude
me
from
trying
to
trying
to
repair
it
and
if,
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
I'm
allowed
to
present
a
testimony
at
this
point.
K
Good,
lord,
you
want
all
of
it
or
just
the
stuff
that
pertains
to
this
stuff
that
particularly
all
right.
I've
got
a
master's
in
architecture
and
community
design.
I've
been
practicing
for
nine
20
years.
K
G
K
You've
got
to
especially
with
one
this
old.
Essentially
you
tuck
and
point
like
you
said,
then
there's
certain
materials
you
have
to
spray
on
the
chimney
on
the
brake
they're
expensive,
but
they
work
which
will
then
allow
you
to
flash
it
down
in,
so
it
doesn't
cause
leaking
into
the
building
you're
also
going
to
have
to
cap
the
chimney
itself.
K
K
So
it
creates
a
whole
big
nasty
mess,
so
I
would
say
either
take
them
off
or
replace
them
with
faux
ones
that
look
as
close
to
that
as
you
can
get
and
they're
not
expensive,
they're,
just
a
pain
in
the
butt
to
make,
but
in
the
meantime,
if
you've
got
leaking
going
on
now,
my
response
to
you
would
be
if
they'll
allow
it
fix.
The
bloomin
roof.
First,
get
rid
of
it
and
then
agreed
to
do
something.
To
give
that
chimney.
Look
back!
K
C
K
To
give
you
an
example,
often
times
a
full
material
is
foam.
If
you
look
at
a
lot
of
magazines,
you'll
see
big
heavy
timbers
on
ceilings
of
these
giant
houses.
You
know
they're,
not
real
wood.
Oh,
I
understand
they're.
K
K
Yes,
so
you
can
get
foam
ones
made
specifically
that
look
like
that
to
show
them
a
picture
and
they'll
make
them.
It
takes
a
few
months
to
get
them
made
because
they've
got
to
go
off
and
bring
them
back,
and
then
they
you
actually
coat
it
with
fiberglass.
Once
the
foam
is
in
place
and
then
you
paint
it
so
it
truly
looks
like
it
originally
did,
but
you
can
pick
them
up
with
one
hand,
they're
extremely
light,
and
then
you
just
anchor
it
in
place.
K
K
I
have
clients
bluntly
who
will
have
a
giant
house
and
they
want
to
do
heavy
timber,
and
I
look
at
them
and
that
one
piece
of
timber
is
10
grand
and
then
I
go
or
we
can
spend
600
on
one
foe,
one
that
looks
exactly
like
it.
The
only
people
who
ever
know
is
the
owners,
so
it
does
work.
K
My
real
concern
as
an
architect
is
life
safety,
which
is,
if
that's
as
bad
as
he's
saying
and
granted.
I
have
nay
seen
it.
So
this
is
the
most
I
can
see,
but
assuming
he's
right,
it
then
becomes
dangerous
right
now,
so
my
personal
response
would
be
okay,
shingle
the
whole
thing
get
rid
of
those
and
later
on,
give
him,
however,
much
time
he
needs
once
the
guys
figure
out
how
to
make
it
to
put
a
faux
chimney
on
there
and
call
it
a
day.
G
G
C
D
G
C
Oh
no,
I
know
I
was
not
before
the
expertly.
G
C
G
The
presentation-
okay,
it's
not
my
intent
to
put
a
piece
of
styrofoam
on
the
roof.
Let's
just
be
clear,
you
know
I
like
the
aesthetics
of
the
brick
roof.
I
mean
the
brick
chimney.
Trust
me!
I
like
it,
but
my
concern
is
hey.
I
can't
really
when
you
don't
have
a
it
used
to
you
used
to
be
able
to
find
craftsmen
to
do
work,
okay,
trying
to
find
a
craftsman
on
a
roof.
That's
pitched
as
high
as
that
is,
is
difficult
to
find
anybody
who
wants
to
go
up
there.
The
chimney
is
not
safe.
G
My
roofer
told
me
it's
not
safe
and
I'm
sorry
they're
not
here.
They
called
me
today
to
say
that
they
couldn't
be
present,
but
but
but
well
my
here's
my
contractors
here.
So
I
would.
I
would
just
call
my
contractor
up
to
say
a
few
words
because
he's
real
familiar
with
with
the
chimneys
itself.
I
Yeah
I'm
bill
larson,
I'm
a
building
contractor
in
tarpon
springs.
I
live
at
20
reed
street.
I
can
attest
to
the
chimney,
at
least
on
that
part
as
far
as
it
being
faulty
the
bricks
are
lit
this
the
mortar
turns
to
sand
after
so
much
time.
Now
you
you
know,
probably
some
you
probably
know
that
and
the
brick
are
loose
to
the
touch
and
that
slips
off
a
roof,
and
I
mean
it
hit
somebody
on
the
head.
That's
it
you
know.
I
G
Yeah
and
as
I
was
saying,
is
it
it?
It
was
never
my
intent
to
remove
the
chimneys.
That
was
never
my
intent
until
we
inspected
this,
we
inspected
realizing.
G
Well,
it
needs
to
maybe
get
tuck
pointing,
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
tuck
pointing
familiar
with
is
that's
when
somebody
actually
grouts
between
the
bricks,
yeah
okay,
but
when,
when
it's
when
it's
on
sand,
you
can't
tuck
point
because
there's
nothing
for
it
to
adhere
to
okay,
it's
adhering
to
sand,
so
it
just
doesn't
work,
and
so
in
respect
to
this
board,
trying
to
find
a
craftsman
to
do
something
that
you
can't
find
to
do.
I've
got
a
roof
that
leaks.
G
Do
I
have
to
wait
until
I
find
somebody
whether
it
takes
me
six
months
a
year
year
and
a
half
I've
got
leakage
which
could
really
turn
the
mold.
You
know
it,
you
know
when
you
have
a
leaky
roof,
you
know
the
the
problems
start
to
to
to
mount
up
and
and
that's
that
is
the
reason
we
had
requested-
the
removal
of
those
chimneys,
because
it's
a
lot
easier
to
remove
them
and
have
a
solid
roof
because
they
are
inoperable,
they
have
been
boarded
from
the
from
the
down.
G
I
had
animals
critters
going
into
the
chimney
coming
into
the
house,
squirrels,
etc,
and
so
the
ideal
thing
is
not
to
have
them.
I
don't
think
it
takes
away
that
much
from
the
aesthetic
design
of
the
property.
Obviously
it's
it's
gonna
be
painted,
I'm
waiting
to
get
the
roof
done
before
I
paint
it
and
get
get
whatever
landscaping
I
put
in
there
to
make
it
more
attractive.
G
But
you
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
I
know
money's
not
an
issue,
but
it
is
an
issue-
okay
and
so
safety,
and
if
the
chimney
were
to
fall,
does
that
mean
I
have
to
rebuild
it.
G
G
F
G
So
I'm
asking
this
board
to
prove
my
application.
For
the
reasons
I
stated
again,
let's
be
clear,
my
heart,
I
don't
want
to
remove
the
chimneys.
I
don't,
but
I
see
no
option
and
if
I
don't
replace
the
roof,
then
I
got
other
issues
and
then
I
because
I've
I've
requested
because
of
the
leaks.
I
have
requested
the
building
department
to
accelerate
at
least
giving
the
emergency
permit
for
the
roof
and
and
they're
waiting
for
this
today.
Just
this
way
get
an
emergency
permit,
so
I
can
start
making
repairs
to
the
roof.
G
The
copper
dormer,
I
think,
gives
it
gives
it
an
aesthetic
look.
I
have
a
I
in
my
house.
I
have
shingles
with
it
with
a
copper
front,
porch
on
my
front
porch.
I
think
it
was
a.
I
think
it
was
an
attractive
look,
dormers
or
or
copper
or
or
or
metal
roofs
work
consistent
in
that
time
frame.
H
Looking,
oh
all,
right,
okay,
so
we're
talking
faux
copper
like
coaching,
yes,
okay,
all
right!
Okay!
Okay,
can
I
ask
staff
a
quick
question.
L
Good
evening,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
preservation
board,
my
name
is
cindy
terrapani.
I
live
at
22
north
spring
boulevard,
so
we're
within.
We
were
in
the
notice
district,
some
affected
by
this
application,
and
if
you
walked
from
our
house
to
this
property,
it's
probably
less
than
200
feet
much
less
than
that
as
the
crow
flies.
L
So
we're
definitely
impacted
by
this,
as
is
the
whole
district.
Actually,
I
am
have
been
qualified
as
an
expert
in
historic
preservation.
Previously
some
of
you
may
know
that
I
served
on
this
board
twice.
I
served
on
the
first
board
of
the
county's
preservation
board.
I
served
on
the
state
national
register
review
board.
I
was
the
executive
director
of
the
florida
trust
for
struck
preservation,
so
I
have
an
extensive
experience
and
preservation.
L
L
We
were
a
resort
before
palm
beach
was
a
resort
because
tarpon
was
founded
in
the
railroad,
didn't
even
go
to
palm
beach
until
after
1900,
so
it
didn't
really
start
to
become
a
resort
until
way
after
tarpon
had
been
here
for
quite
some
time
and
that's
important
for
a
couple
reasons.
I'm
going
to
talk
about
in
a
second
there's,
two
distinct
applications,
two
different
parts
to
his
application.
I
want
to
speak
directly
to
those
specifically
the
first
request
for
the
roof.
I
have
no
problem
with
him.
Re-Roofing,
you
know
his
roof.
L
I
think
the
asphalt
material
asphalt
shingles
are
appropriate.
The
staff
has
said
that
is
appropriate
too.
Your
guidelines
say
it's
appropriate.
My
concern
is
adding
a
second
material
of
copper,
and
now
we
hear
it's
not
really,
copper,
it's
copper,
looking
as
an
accent
when
that
really
was
never
historically
done.
So
I
have
no
problem
with
him
re-roofing
as
the
asphalt
material
that
he
has
shingles.
That
he's
proposed
the
second
part
of
the
removal
of
the
chimneys.
L
I
think
that's
why
I
want
to
talk
about
the
history
of
the
town.
As
we
talked
about
this
house
built
in
1890
and
many
of
the
houses
on
within
the
residential
part
of
the
historic
district,
were
winter
cottages,
people
from
up
north
came
down
here
in
the
winter
to
have
a
milder
winter
than
they
had
in
their
in
their
full-time
home
to
enjoy
all
the
different
positive
aspects
of
florida.
L
But
heat
was
needed
at
the
time
and
then
still
today,
obviously
in
our
winters
and
the
chimneys
are
the
visible,
tangible
reminder
of
that
exterior
feature
of
using
heat.
Obviously,
the
fireplace
on
the
interior,
we're
not
you
know,
discussing
the
interior,
that's
his
choice
as
to
what
he
wants
to
do.
L
The
chimney
is
a
defining
architectural
feature,
not
just
of
this
house,
but
of
the
queen
anne
style
and
of
the
entire
historic
residential
areas
of
the
historic
district.
For
example,
we
have
three
chimneys
in
our
house.
We've
re-roofed
our
house
twice
in
the
last
25
years,
or
so
it
is
not
an
expense,
not
an
inexpensive
proposition,
but
we
accepted
that
because
we
love
living
in
a
historic
property
and
property
owners
who
buy
historic
properties
have
to
recognize
they
have
benefits
and
they
may
have
some
disadvantages
and
some
of
those
may
be
cost.
L
But
if
cost
is
an
issue
which
he
said,
it
was
there's
a
solution
to
that.
The
cra,
since
the
property
is
in
the
historic
district
and
in
the
cra,
the
cra
offers
grants
for
a
50
50
match
for
two-story
building.
You
can
get
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
all
the
work
has
to
be
approved
by
this
board,
so,
whatever
work,
he
would
do
whether
it's
the
reroof
or
any
other
material,
but
that's
a
real
option
for
him
to
do.
L
L
I'd
also
mention
that
kind
of
interesting
about
chimneys.
You
probably
all
know
the
hapa
house,
which
is
on
the
same
street,
on
tarpon
avenue.
It's
on
the
north
side,
almost
back
to
pinellas,
the
hapa
house
originally
had
chimneys.
They
had
two
chimneys,
they
are.
They
were
removed
at
some
point,
but
they
got
a
grant
from
the
cra
to
put
those
chimneys
back
now
they
will
be
non-working
chimneys,
but
they
will
be
real
brick
and
because
the
fireplaces
have
been
closed
up,
but
they
are
putting
the
chimneys
back
to
that
property.
L
The
other
interesting
thing
about
this
property
is
that's
a
really
important
focal
point
for
the
town
and
for
the
historic
district.
It's
within
a
few
hundred
feet
or
so
of
the
city
docks.
Where
we
all
know
many
important
things
happen,
most
importantly,
epiphany
day
on
january
6th
every
year
it's
located
close
to
spring
bayou,
of
course,
as
you
saw
the
photographs,
it's
located
close
to
many
other
activities
that
happen
on
the
street
and
on
the
area
right
around
this
part
of
downtown.
L
The
art
show
first
fridays,
you
know
other
activities
and
it's
also
on
the
parade
route
for
epiphany
and
we're
seeing
lots
of
activity
on
this
street.
In
addition
to
this
property,
but
again,
as
I
mentioned
the
hepa
house,
not
only
are
they
going
to
redo
and
re-put
in
those
chimneys
they
are
going
to,
they
are
planning
to
do
an
extensive
renovation
to
take
the
house
back
more
to
its
historic
aspect.
L
This
property
is
also
located
located
immediately
next
to
two
city
parcels
that
the
city
spent
a
fairly
large
amount
of
money
to
purchase
in
the
last
few
years.
The
old
sunbae
motel,
then
the
hoffman
property,
and
what
the
final
use
of
those
properties
is
has
not
been
determined
by
the
city.
But
again,
this
is
an
active,
renovating,
exciting
area
of
of
this
part
of
tarpon
avenue
and
to
have
something
significant
feature
removed
from
a
contributing
structure.
I
think,
would
really
be
inappropriate.
L
So,
in
summary,
I
would
respectfully
request
that
you
not
allow
the
removal
of
the
chimneys
for
the
reasons
that
I've
mentioned.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
re-roofing,
with
the
asphalt
material
on
the
entire
thing,
but
not
with
whatever
this
copper
looking
material
might
be.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Thank
you.
G
I
do
have,
I
do
have
a
question
with
regard
to
bifurcation:
oh
okay,
all
right!
If
that's
okay,
because
I
I
coming
here,
you
know
when
I
I
saw
the
staff's
recommendation,
I
knew
the
chimneys
were
going
to
be
an
issue
and
you
know
as
much
as
I'd
like
a
copper,
looking
dharma.
I
have
no
issue
having
it
all
shingled,
my
so
by
bifurcating
the
this
decision,
and
I
I
suspect
that
your
your
vote
will
probably
be
to
not
allow
me
to
remove
those
chimneys.
G
So
unless
you
know
you
were
going
that
direction,
then
I
should
step
back,
but
but
I
need
that
roof
done.
Okay
and
I
need
that
roof
done
tomorrow
and
so
by
bifurcating
it.
It
allows
me
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
roofing
and
then,
at
some
point
in
time,
I'm
going
to
have
to
look
at
trying
to
find
somebody
and
and
cindy
if
you
know
of
anybody
who
does
that
type
of
chimney,
repair
I'd
like
to
have
their
phone
number,
because
I
can't
find
anybody
well
I'll
help.
You.
G
So
so,
but
if,
in
any
event,
if
you
can
I'd
appreciate
that
because,
like
I
told
you
before,
I
did
not
want
to
have
these
chimneys
removed.
So
so,
if
I
could
find
somebody
who
is
willing
to
do
the
repair
I
like
to
bifurcate
it,
and
if
I,
if
I
find
that
I
can't
find
somebody,
then
I
may
have
to
come
again
before
this
board
to
have
that
part
of
the
roof,
those
chimneys
removed
and
re-roofed
to
that
port.
To
keep
it
leak.
D
D
G
D
D
A
G
So
by
by
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
I
I
think
waiting
because
this
the
roof
was
supposed
to
be
replaced.
G
I
I
made
application,
I
don't
know
when
they
made
the
application,
but
I
I
retained
my
contractor
back
in
either
eight
a
late
april
or
early
may,
okay,
and
so
and
with
the
weather
they
keep
pushing
back
construction
because
when
they
it
rains,
they
move
your
job
back
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
move,
keep
moving
the
job
back
in
consideration,
maybe
have
the
reapply
for
the
permit.
So
if
I
can
withdraw
that
portion
of
the
permit,
I
mean
the
the
the
the
request.
G
The
one
type
of
material
would
allow
this
board
to
vote,
and
that
way
I
don't
have
to
make
another.
H
H
G
No,
I
I
it
was
my
understanding
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
the
the
the
nature
of
the
material
or
the
the
the
optics
of
replacing
the
roof
had
to
be
consistent
and
therefore
the
the
the
machine
the
shingle
design
had
to
be
approved
by
this
board.
Otherwise
I
could
put
any
shingle
up
there.
That
may
not
be
consistent
with
the
the
look
of
of
that
period.
C
G
A
You
would
revise
you'd,
modify
your
permit
to
to
withdraw
the
chimney
removal
and
to
show
it
all
shingles.
So
you
get
your
roofing
contractor
to
get
give
us
a
new
sheet.
Yeah,
that's
what
you
would
do
it
I
mean
regardless.
I
don't
know
attorney.
A
G
G
Even
though,
in
all
honesty,
pat,
even
though
you
you
say
it,
I,
like
mr
steffen
before
I
I
like
validation
from
this
board-
okay
first,
even
though
it
made
me
moot,
I
would
still
like
validation
that
the
least
I
could
move
forward
in
case
anybody
and
staff.
D
Do
it
let's
move
forward,
so
we
can
get
on
to
the
next
application,
so
I
forgot
where
we
were.
I
believe
we
were
at
closing.
C
D
H
D
B
Yes,
it's
to
approve
application
with
modification
of
only
shingles.
C
C
C
F
F
F
F
And
and
here's
a
list
this
is
I
I
apologize.
This
is
kind
of
a
going
to
be
a
tough
one.
We
saved
the
tough
one
for
last,
so
I
kind
of
made
a
chart
here
showing
the
the
proposed
renovations,
which
are
the
new
elements
which
is
a
front
desk,
a
deck,
a
covered
porch,
a
retaining
wall.
F
F
F
So
it
is
a
masonry
vernacular,
but
again
it
has
the
ranch
elements
and-
and
you
can
really
see
from
this
picture,
the
movement
of
this
house
is
horizontal,
there's
a
real
emphasis
on
the
width
and
asymmetry,
one
of
the
notable
features
of
the
wrap
around
horizontal
window
arrangements
and
the
concrete
sills
the
offset
side
entry,
so
not
having
the
front
door
at
the
front
of
the
house.
That's
a
a
detail
and
the
the
iron
railing,
the
scrolled
iron
railing
typical
of
homes.
At
this
time,.
F
So
this
is
the
proposed
plan
and
it's
got
a
lot
of
elements
to
it
and
I'm
sorry.
I
would
like
to
note
from
for
ms
kaplan's
benefit.
This
property
came
to
us
application
2187
before
you
were
on
this
board
and
in
this
the
structure
was
being
proposed
for
demolition,
and
this
board
denied
that.
So
we're
very
happy
that
the
applicant
is
coming
seeking
to
renovate
the
house.
F
I
think
this
picture
shows
that
the
major
changes
to
this
assad.
F
F
F
So
these
are
all
of
the
things
that
that
are
relevant
to
this
application.
F
So
I'm
going
to
just
try
and
walk
through
as
quickly
as
possible
some
of
the
the
standards
that
I
think
we've
got
some
some
work
to
do
on.
F
Windows,
doors
and
entries-
that's
probably
one
of
the
most
significant
standards
that
we
need
to
look
at
here,
so
the
width
and
height
of
the
windows,
doors
and
entries
need
should
be
consistent
with
the
original
architectural
style.
F
F
And
then
conformance
with
other
city
code
requirements,
I
had
thought
there
were
a
couple,
but
I
have
got
that
narrowed
down
to
the
main.
One
would
be
the
alteration
of
the
driveway
because
of
its
location
if
they
were
to
turn
their
proposal,
they're
proposing
having
a
singular
parking
space
and
turning
the
circular
driveway
into
a
walkway,
and
then
I
believe
that
they're
proposing
to
remove
the
the
concrete
driveway
in
the
back.
Then
it
wouldn't
meet
the
parking
requirements
in
the
code.
F
It
has
unique
art,
turban
springs
is
unique
and
eclectic,
and
some
people
may
look
at
this
home
and
say
this
is
not
aesthetically
pleasing
to
me.
This
is
no
longer
the
style.
This
is
just
an
old
home
and
it
needs
to
be
updated,
but
that's
not
what
we're
tasked
with
doing
here
right,
we're
tasked
with
preserving
the
historic
features
that
were
noted
as
significant
at
the
time
of
the
resources
survey.
F
F
And
I
just
really
feel
that
the
choice
to
remodel
the
structure
to
a
contemporary
design
rather
than
re,
rehabilitate
the
structure.
It's
not
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan
nor
the
charge
of
this
board.
F
F
F
F
B
F
Oh
I'm
sorry
I
I
failed
to
mention
one
thing.
We
did
receive
a
letter
of
report
of
support
from
the
neighbor
yeah.
We
saw.
C
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
christine
petita.
I
am
one
of
the
owners
of
315
south
spring
boulevard.
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember.
B
Both
of
them,
so
I'm
going
to
defer
to
them
as.
D
Carol
I
mentioned
this
is
complex
and
and
they'll
be
your
subject
matter
experts,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
for
me
personally,
as
this
is
family
home
built
by
family,
going
to
be
retained
by
family.
K
My
name
is
gail
livingstone.
My
address
is
16658
from
mandarin
suede,
lando
lakes
and
well
can
I
get
going
or
what
would
we?
What
would
you
like
to
do
all
right?
Well,
you
keep
on
going.
Let
me
knock
some
of
these
things
out.
First
of
all,
retaining
wall
get
rid
of
it,
removing
that
removing
changing
the
driveway
altogether
together
the
driveway's
going
to
stay,
I'm
going
to
nag
her
to
fix
the
concrete
and
make
it
prettier,
but
that's
nothing
to
do
with
that.
What.
K
Sorry
back
driveway
stake
front
driveway,
I'm
still
going
to
nagger
on
that,
then
the
water
feature
is
gone
as
much
as
I
would
like
it
to
stay,
because
I
think
it's
beautiful.
It's
also
a
huge
liability
issue
and
not
worth
it.
The
other
thing
is
the
fence.
The
fence
that'll,
be
the
four
foot
high
aluminum
standard,
that's
approved
per
tarpon.
K
What
y'all
were
talking
about
earlier?
Okay,
so
let's
knock
those
out
of
the
water,
so
they're
gone.
If
you
will
all
right
now,
with
all
due
respect,
I
totally
disagree
with
you
on
this
horizontal
and
width
style
and
character.
Thing
bluntly:
if
you
turn
back
to
your
historic
pictures,
if
you
wouldn't
mind.
F
K
F
K
Perfect,
if
you
look
at
what
was
there
originally,
there
was
no
porch
outside
of
the
front
door.
It
actually
cuts
back,
there's
no
roof
there
that
you
can
see
you
can
see
where
it
cuts
back.
They
had
beautiful
brick
shoeing
with
those
gorgeous
casement
windows
and
honestly,
if
the
house
looked
like
that
nowadays,
I'd
tell
her
she's,
absolutely
daft,
to
try
and
change
anything.
K
But
someone
around
the
70s
or
80s
came
in
stuccoed
everything
stuck
into
those
god-awful
windows
and
went
yay.
It's
modernized
there's
nothing
historic
about
the
building
as
it
sits.
Okay
again,
this
is
what
I
do
for
a
living,
and
I
understand
that
staff
is
going
to
go
hey.
We
want
to
keep
the
features.
So
that
being
said,
what
we
then
do
is
go
all
right.
Well,
we've
still
got
tarpon
springs.
We've
still
got
the
features
we
all
come
down.
Here
I
mean
heck.
K
K
K
The
step
or
the
front
deck
is
stepped.
There's
no
way
not
to
do
that
unless
you
literally
build
a
wall
which
nobody
wants
to
do
it
stopped
because
the
whole
ground
slopes
down,
there's
no
other
way
to
do
it.
Unless
you
make
a
concrete
sloping
thing
that
god
forbid,
she
has
anybody
over
in
a
wheelchair,
they're
gonna
be
going
flying,
although
it
would
be
fun
for
the
kids.
K
K
Now,
as
far
as
the
house
as
it
exists
now
she's
absolutely
right.
There
is
no
front
dormer,
there's
no
front
hip
roof.
There's
none
of
that
there.
The
problem
is
the
door
on
the
side.
Bluntly
is
not
pretty,
to
put
it
nicely,
there's
the
reason
the
neighbors
said.
Yes,
please
do
something
about
this.
It's
the
ugly
house
in
the
area,
sorry
christine,
so
the
idea
was
all
right.
K
Well,
let's
look
around
and
let's
see
what
features
work
for
tarpon
and
what
are
on
the
homes
in
the
area,
and
I
have
pictures
of
them
if
you
like,
but
the
whole
reason
we
went
with
the
hip
roof
on
the
front,
with
the
straight
columns
coming
down
is
because
there's
many
homes
in
the
area
that
do
exactly
that
well
within
the
historic
district.
So
we
want
to
keep
to
that
language,
which
is
extremely
important
again.
They're
100
right
on
that.
K
Well,
if
you
all
want
to
go
around
in
blue
hair,
spiked
hair
and
go
back
to
punk
rock
great,
we'll,
take
pictures
and
we'll
all
enjoy
it,
but
it's
the
architecture
of
the
time
reflects
that
garbage
nobody
liked
it.
Then
nobody
likes
it
now.
What
she's
wanting
to
do
is
turn
it
into
something
that
fits
specifically
into
the
neighborhood
now
adding
the
front
doors
instead
of
the
windows.
K
That's
a
taste
thing
bluntly:
are
they
absolutely
necessary?
No,
but
they
make
the
home
much
more
functional
and
it
still
looks
gorgeous
and
still
fits
with
the
language
of
the
neighborhood
and
and
again
that's
where
my
emphasis
comes
in
now.
The
next
thing
on
my
list
is
that
the
sorry
one
second
here
we
go.
K
If
we
could
go
back
to
those
original
windows,
it
would
be
blooming,
lovely
because
good
god,
that
being
said
in
today's
society,
a
window
that
will
meet
large
missile
impact,
which
is
what's
required
here,
which
is
literally
where
they
shoot
a
2x4
out
of
a
cannon
at
a
window
and
if
it
doesn't
go
all
the
way
through
your
large
missile
impact.
K
To
do
those
windows
like
that
you're
talking
a
thousand
dollars
now
what
can
be
per
window?
What
can
be
done
is
do
your
standard
window
and
put
mullions
on
there
to
give
it
that
look.
Mulligans
are
stick
on
they're,
easy
it'll,
give
it
that
look.
It
solves
the
issue
and
also
means
she's
not
paying
two
to
three
times
as
much
for
windows,
as
is
the
need.
K
K
I
would
talk
with
staff
about
that,
but
she
kind
of
wants
to
go
a
little
bit.
What
I
consider
nuts
on
landscaping
to
do
a
lot
and
make
it
really
pretty
and
considering
I
do
my
own
landscaping
at
home.
I
think
she's
insane,
but
we'll
leave
that
part
alone
and
then
finally,
the
side
door
where
you
have
the
scroll
work,
that's
existing.
If
you
see
in
this
picture
up
to
the
left,
there's
the
pretty
scroll
work
at
the
time.
K
K
The
sills
are
actually
part
of
the
original
language
and
what
that
is
is
literally
the
way
the
windows
stepped
back
and
they
stepped
it
out.
They
did
that
at
the
time
to
help
with
drainage.
It
was
all
to
do
with
water
and
keeping
it
out
of
the
house.
The
fact
that
it
made
it
pretty
is
just
a
nice
side
effect,
but
we'd
like
to
keep
that
language.
K
K
We
can,
if
we
need
to,
we
can
shrink
those
up
a
little
bit
but
we'd
like
to
keep
them
where
they
are.
That
being
said,
I
do
recognize
that's
a
modern
adaptation
of
the
language
of
the
time,
whereas
I
would
say
to
you
doing
the
hip
roof
with
the
columns
and
the
column
on
the
side
is
not
a
modern
adaptation.
It's
a
hey!
Here's,
the
language
of
a
few
houses
down
everybody
who's
around
there
likes
it.
It
looks
beautiful
and
it
keeps
to
the
language
of
the
era
that
this
was
originally
from.
K
C
C
Water
features
out,
bbc
fence
is
out.
K
C
Oh
on
the
sides:
okay,
retaining
wall-
that's
out,
okay
and
water
feature.
That's
out.
Is
there
anything
else.
C
F
F
Is
pretty
it's?
Are
we
preserving
historic
elements
and
maintaining
architectural
integrity?
F
C
Okay!
So
so
that
we're
looking
at
the
things
in
yellow
so.
C
Says:
front
deck
front
deck
the
covered
porch
over
the
door,
the
french
door.
So
that's
all
in
the
front
right,
okay,
existing
circular
drive
is
going
to
be
gone.
That's
that's
for
what
they're
saying,
okay
decorative
columns!
We
got
to
discuss
that
you.
F
F
So
there's
they're
proposing
to
replace
the
center
window
with
a.
C
C
D
D
G
L
H
D
C
K
C
D
C
K
I'll,
happily
answer
your
questions,
but
I
think
I've
kept
you
long
enough.
Oh.
H
C
H
C
D
I'm
sorry
you're
correct
the
the
replacement
of
the
circular
driveway
is
correct,
but
there
was
a
statement
somewhere
about
replacing
it
with
a
single
parking
space.
Yeah.
C
D
F
C
G
G
H
C
Listen,
I
drove
past
the
house.
I
know
it
know
it
well.
Okay,
what
they're
proposing
the
surrounding
houses
is
a
hodgepodge.
You
know
if
this
house
was
on
lemon
street
or
on
pineapple
it'd,
be
all
together
different,
but
on
this
street
there
is
a
lot
of
the
newer
houses
and
I'm
talking
newer
to
concrete
block
houses.
Okay,
to
look
at
the
front.
C
If
you
look
straight
from
the
front,
it's
with
the
windows
is
fairly
symmetric.
Okay,
the
wind!
You
look
at
the
window,
the
big
window
in
the
front
and
then
the
two
side
windows.
You
don't
even
see
the
door
okay
now
what
they're
proposing
is
to
put
instead
of
that
big
window
they
and
I'm
talking
to
these
guys
too,
and
they
want
to
put
a
french
door.
Essentially
a
center
of
eyesight,
just
like
the
big
windows,
would
be
and
they're
extending
the
side
windows
down
there.
C
C
C
That's
for
symmetric,
so
make
it
look
right
and
the
only
reason
I'm
kind
of
going
this
route
is
again
the
location,
there's
a
mess
of
different
modern
houses
on
that
street
below
it
and
above
it
you
know,
it's
not
like
it's
one
of
the
old
sections,
because
it's
a
lower
section,
you
know
the
high
sections,
the
high
elevation
sections
have
the
older
houses
on
it.
The
lower
set
areas
in
there
have
the
newer
houses
and
there's
a
lot
of
newer
style
houses.
It
doesn't.
C
C
C
H
H
Maybe
if
it
wasn't
in
the
historic
district,
well
it
wouldn't
be
in
front
of
us.
Of
course
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
it
at
all.
If
it
wasn't
in
the
historic
district,
and
I
think
that's
what
it
all
comes
down
to
is
what
are
we
trying
to
preserve?
H
H
H
Is
it
a
fine
design
for
a
1951
block
house,
I'm
not
so
sure
I've
got
the
same
problem
with
the
two
front
doors
with
the
with
the
french
doors
and
the
roof
over
I
mean,
frankly,
I
have
a
problem
with
all
of
it.
H
Yes,
so
if
we
have
to
stick
to
that
criteria,
which
we
do
I
don't
frankly,
I
don't
see
how
we
could
approve
any
of
this,
except
maybe
for
the
for
the
circular
drive
in
the
rear
door,
probably
just
because
it's
in
the
rear
but
the
the
front
deck
the
covered.
Porch,
the
french
doors.
H
I
could
even
be
swayed
on
the
iron
columns,
but
the
existing
front
door
was
french
door
and,
like
I
said,
the
rear
door
would
probably
be
fine.
I
don't
know
where
to
go
with
this
yeah.
C
D
A
motion
that's
been
seconded
and
you've
had
conversation.
You
can
take
a
vote.
They
have
asked
to
speak
if
you
allow
them
to
speak
against.
We
are
past
that
point,
so
I
recommend
you
be
done,
but
if
you
allow
the
applicant
to
speak,
city
gets
to
speak
again,
which
is
absolutely
fine.
It's
your
your
decision.
K
K
It
looks
like
somebody
came
in
in
the
late
70s,
early
80s
and
slapped
paint
on
a
pig,
because
they
were
too
lazy
to
put
the
place
back
to
rights.
They
stuck
out
over
everything
that
made
it
pretty.
They
changed
the
windows
out
to
the
garbage.
That's
there
right
now
and
we're
stuck
with
it
and
there's
nothing
historical
about
1980s,
talk
to
me
in
40
years
and
yeah.
K
We
can
call
1980s
historical,
but
now
no,
no,
the
other
side
of
the
coin
is
as
far
as
the
windows,
what
staff
emphasized
by
the
way
was
those
nice
sills,
which
I
agree
with
them
wholeheartedly.
That
was
one
reason
we
wanted
to
keep.
Those
is
to
at
least
keep
the
elements
that
we
can
keep
from
the
original
home.
The
only
thing
left
from
the
original
home
is
the
rusted
out
thing
and
the
nice
big
sills,
and,
to
be
blunt,
I
think
the
reasons
the
nice
big
sills
are
still.
K
K
I
mean
it's,
that's
why
we
went
to
the
trouble
of
looking
around
the
neighborhood
to
go.
What
will
work
with
what
else
is
here
and
what
elements
work
with?
What's
here
in
this
area
of
tarpon,
I
mean
you're
100
right
if
this
was
just
down
the
street,
good
god,
no,
but
where
it's
sitting
right
now,
the
elements
as
displayed
are
what
work
specifically
with
the
other
homes
in
the
neighborhood.
F
Okay,
so
my
response
to
that
would
be
a
lot
of
the
things
that
they're
proposing
could
be
reversed.
If
somebody
at
some
point
in
the
future
maybe
decided
that
1951
aesthetic
was
the
way
we
feel
about
queen
and
style.
Today,
however,
if
you
go
and
you
remove
those
sills
which
they're
saying
is,
you
know
really
truly
one
of
the
only
remaining
architectural
features.
If
you
change
the
fenestration
of
the
house,
which
is
also
remaining
at
least
those
holes,
haven't
changed
right.
D
D
B
H
D
C
H
F
F
K
Want
to
ask
one
question:
to
get
on
the
historical
home
list.
You
have
to
go
through
a
whole
big,
long,
everything
to
get
on
there.
This
home
is
not
on
the
historical
home
list,
it's
in
a
historical
area,
but
you
keep
referring
to
the
guidelines.
The
guidelines
are
for
historical
homes,
okay,
so
you've
got
two
different
animals.
You've
got
a
guideline
for
historical
home,
which
requires
getting
on
a
national
list
agreeing
and
signing
in
paperwork.
K
Basically,
you
might
as
well
sign
it
in
blood,
saying
that
you
will
never
ever
change
the
look
of
the
home
and
that's
it
period.
They
have
not
done
that.
There
is
no
paperwork
anywhere
where
they
have
agreed
to
do
that,
they're
in
historic
district
by
living
in
the
historic
district,
they
have
agreed
to
keep
the
historic
look
as
much
as
they
possibly
can.
K
K
We've
been
through
this
before
it's
one
of
those
things
of
yes
by
living
in
a
historic
district.
You
must
do
everything
in
your
power
to
keep
to
the
look
of
the
district
in
the
area.
That's
the
reason
the
man
who
was
here
before
wanted
the
chimneys
and
I'm
like
look.
Do
it
out
of
fiberglass
it'll.
Look
the
exact
same.
Nobody
will
be
able
to
tell
it's
formed
with
fiberglass
on
top
you're
done.
There's
no
problems
with
that
because
it
looks
exactly
like
it
should
per
a
historic
home
which
he
did
say.
K
K
Thing
sorry,
I
can't
think
of
a
nice
way.
To
put
it
it's
a
thing.
What
she's
trying
to
do
is
make
it
beautiful
for
the
area
and
for
her
family
who's
living
there.
This
is
a
family
home.
You
guys
wouldn't
let
her
knock
it
down.
I
get
it,
but
to
then
go
look.
Not
only
are
you
not
allowed
lock
it
down,
but
you
have
to
keep
it
in
the
essential
ugly
style
that
some
idiot
made
it
in
1980s,
which
is
exactly
what
you're
saying.
D
H
A
F
Okay,
all
I
would
say
is
that
I
was
really
trying
to
get
to
a
position
where
you
could
make
a
decision
on.
Some
of
these
major
components
make
a
decision
on
the
major
components
that
require
hpb
approval
and
give
the
applicant
an
opportunity
to
work
with
staff
to
come
up
with
solutions
for
things
that
staff
can
approve.
Understand.
F
But
if
they
would
agree
with
okay
for,
for
instance,
if
you
say
well,
we're
gonna
deny
the
the
covered
porch
and
we're
gonna
deny
changing
the
fenestration.
We're
gonna
keep
the
original
fenestration
and
then
they
come
back
to
me
with
plans
that
keep
the
original
fenestration
and
make
changes
to
other
things
that
I
can
approve.
Then
that's
fine.
D
D
D
No,
this
recommended
denial,
so
it'll
be
it'll,
be
done.
The
staff's
recommending
denial
you're
agreeing
with
that.
If
it's,
if,
if
you
do
not
get,
if
you
get
three
people
to
agree
it's
over,
if
you
do
you
know,
if
you
don't
get
three
people
to
agree,
then
it's
not
denied
I'm
confusing
myself.
H
D
D
D
B
C
D
H
On
the
floor
and
it's
been
seconded
so
we
could
just
keep
discussing,
I
don't
have
to
change
anything
yet.
No,
no,
no
you're,
not
changing
that
all
right,
let's
duke
it
out,
then,
let's
start
from
the
beginning,
this
we're
here
for
a
while:
okay,
okay,
the
front
deck,
I'm
just
going
in
order
here,
yeah
the
front
deck
doesn't
seem
to
make
much
sense
unless
they're
doing
the
covered,
porch
and
they're
doing
french
french
doors
right.
C
H
H
And
then
we've
got
the
iron
columns
replaced
with
stucco
columns.
There
would
be
no
stucco
columns
if
there
was
not
a
covered
porch.
H
What
about,
instead
of
instead
of
that
covered
porch,
just
some
sort
of
nice
light
pergola
or
something
instead
of
instead
of
a
heavy
porch
roof?
That's
not.
B
C
B
H
H
H
C
H
D
C
B
D
B
C
H
C
That
time,
obviously
only
because
it
it
fits
in
better
with
that
area,.
C
To
match
the
the
front
porch,
yes,.
C
H
Actually
is
probably
a
good
thing
and
again
the
rear
door.
I
didn't
care
about
that.
B
B
C
H
H
C
H
C
Some
respects
that
is,
you
know,
because
a
lot
of
the
criteria
has
the
continuity
of
the
neighborhood
in
the
streets
you're
in.
B
H
I
one
of
the
things
that
I
remember
when
I
first
came
on
this
committee
was:
can
we
go
around
looking
at
the
house
and-
and
we
were
kind
of
told,
no-
that
we
have
to
just
go
by
what's
presented
to
us?
Well.
H
Oh,
come
on
come
on
all
right,
it
was
just
something
about.
I
had
mentioned
that
there
was
no
nothing
on
here
about
the
corner
windows.
F
On
this
table,.
F
H
D
H
H
C
H
H
H
H
Replacing
the
windows
with
the
original
casement
is
out
the
window,
pardon
my
pun,
removing
the
front
porch
forget
about
it
well
removed.
This
is
these
are
the
the
recommendations
the
staff
is
saying
that
their.
D
F
D
C
D
I
think
the
staff
recommendations
are
different
than
the
things
highlighted
in
orange
right,
yeah
you're,
your
report
that
recommends
denial,
but
if
they,
the
board,
chooses
to
approve,
you
have
some
recommend
conditions
that
you
requested.
Yes,
all
those
conditions
are
not
necessarily
consistent
with
the
items
in
orange.
Are
they.
H
B
F
F
I
would
say
to
replace
the
the
facade
windows
to
replicate
to
replicate
the
original
casement
windows.
That
doesn't
mean
you
have
to.
H
H
F
So
that's
part
of
the
walkway
plan
and
I
wasn't
quite
sure
that
that
was
even
compliant
with
our
code.
So
so.
D
F
D
F
K
C
F
B
H
C
H
D
F
F
What
so
so,
the
the
application
has
a
roof
replacement
in
it
and
like
repairing
the
stucco
and
things
that
I
had
no
issue
with
it
all.
I
was
just
trying
to
talk
about
the
things
that
we
had
issue
with.
So
if
we're
going
to
go,
move
towards
approval,
it'd
probably
be
better
for
the
applicant.
If
we
approved
those
things
that
we
didn't
have
issue
with
as
well.
H
F
D
D
H
D
H
C
C
B
B
C
C
D
C
C
F
C
C
Any
staff
comments,
yes,.
H
I
I
just
want
to
say
again
how
how
difficult
it
is
sometime
to
make
decisions,
and
I
personally,
I
guess,
would
rather
just
pick
my
battles.
You
know.
B
H
In
this
case,
obviously
it
was
something
that
I
felt
we
could
live
with
yeah.
It
was
very,
very
difficult,
very
difficult
to
make
that
decision,
but.
H
C
Well,
there
you
go:
okay,
four,
okay,
9
36!
I'm
calling
this
one
adjourned.