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A
It's
now
6
30.
I'm,
calling
the
meeting
of
the
Heritage
prevention
board
preservation
board
to
order,
let's
see
first
off,
do
we
have
any
actually.
B
A
A
A
A
D
All
right
in
the
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Heritage
preservation
board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
D
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
D
All
testimony
and
questioning
at
this
hearing
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
in
material
to
the
issues
under
consideration,
based
on
the
criteria
established
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
If
any
board
member
has
disclosures
regarding
an
application,
please
make
your
disclosures
on
the
record
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing
ring,
which
would
include
any
ex
parte
disclosures
and
any
voting
conflicts
if
there
is
not
a
full
board
present.
At
the
beginning
of
the
hearing,
the
applicant
May
request
a
continuation
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Heritage
preservation
board.
D
The
following
is
the
established
procedure,
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
hearing.
City
staff
will
present
its
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
the
application
first,
the
applicant
will
then
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
cross-examine
the
staff
and
any
Witnesses.
The
applicant
will
then
have
the
opportunity
to
present
its
Witnesses
and
evidence.
The
city
will
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
any
of
the
applicant's
witnesses.
D
Members
of
the
public
opposing
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
present
their
testimony
and
evidence,
and
members
of
the
public
in
support
of
the
application
will
then
be
given
the
opportunity
to
provide
their
testimony
and
evidence,
then
the
applicant
and
then
the
city,
if
they
wish,
may
present
any
rebuttal
testimony
and
evidence
and
a
closing
statement.
For
summary,
the
board
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
discussion
and
consideration
of
the
application
at
this
time
for
anyone
Desiring
to
speak
on
any
matter
before
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
Heritage
preservation
board.
D
A
A
G
G
And
the
summary
of
the
request,
the
applicant
is
asking
to
remove
the
existing
Portico
front
door,
overhang,
that's
supported
by
metal
brackets
and
replace
it
with
a
12
by
20
front
porch
at
the
subject
right
residential
structure,
The,
Masonry
and
stucco
columns
are
are
proposed
and
stuck
stucco
over
framing
with
a
new
roof
on
the
porch
that
utilizes
the
existing
roof
angles.
G
G
G
G
G
Of
you
of
the
layout,
this
gives
the
details
they're
a
lot
easier
to
read
in
your
packet,
and
this
is
gives
you
the
materials
that
would
be
used
or
proposing
actual
shingles
for
the
roof
and,
as
I
stated,
wood
framing
with
stucco.
G
So
here's
a
two
scale
representation
of
the
request,
the
yellow
Square-
would
be
the
new
porch
you
can
see
below
that
where
the
existing
overhang,
the
the
size
that
it
takes
up.
This
is
also
to
scale.
If
you
note,
the
green
square
is
what
is
historic
and
appropriate
for
the
style
and
the
red
ranked
rectangle
is
the
size
of
what
is
being
proposed.
G
Here
is
a
rear
view
of
the
subject
property
just
for
your
information
and
I've
included
for
context
to
206
Bay
Street.
This
is
what
it
looked
like
in
2011,
it's
a
very
similar
architecturally
to
the
subject
property.
G
G
I
think
we
are
going
to
be
re-surveying.
Our
our
historic,
neighborhoods
and
I
think
it
is
likely
that
when
we
re-survey
this
property
we'll
either
be
contributing,
alter
or
removed
as
as
non-contributing
because
of
the
unsympathetic
alterations
that
have
occurred
additional
context.
This
is
across
the
street
at
301,
Bay
Street,
similar
in
style
asymmetrical,
got
a
lot
of
similar
architectural
features
such
as
the
iron
work.
G
And
looking
at
your
standards
of
review,
let's
start
with
new
construction
consistency,
so
the
proposed
porch
would
be
a
new
feature.
That's
inconsistent
with
the
style
of
similar
Ranch
influence.
Masonry
masonry,
vernacular
structures
in
the
area
and
the
width
and
scale
of
the
porch
is
inconsistent
with
adjacent
contributing
structures.
G
So
our
design
review
guideline
manual
notes
that
private
rear
porches
are
common
instead
of
the
more
public
front
or
side
porches
seen
in
earlier
housing
styles
for
the
ranch
style
with
respect
to
Windows,
Doors
and
entries.
The
proposed
porch
would
change
the
historic
entry
it
would
cover
and
frame
an
existing
window
and
the
asymmetry
of
the
facade
would
be
altered
by
the
proposed
porch,
neighborhood
and
District
context.
G
So
the
property
is
in
the
fruit,
salad
portion
of
the
local
historic
district
and
it's
a
modern
era,
residential
structure,
it's
surrounded
by
both
contributing
and
contributing
altered
structures
similar
con
contributing
structures
in
the
area
from
the
same
time
period
have
integral
offset
porches,
but
they
don't
project
out
from
the
primary
facade
at
the
same
scale
as
the
proposed
12
by
20
covered
front
porch
and
most
of
the
contributing
structures
in
the
vicinity
from
the
same
period
have
overhang
similar
to
the
existing
one.
At
the
subject,
property.
G
G
So
then,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
adherence
to
the
secretary's
guidelines.
The
whole
point
of
this
is
to
preserve,
retain
and
preserve
the
historic
character.
The
removal
of
historic
materials
and
alterations
of
features
and
spaces
should
be
avoided.
Distinctive
features
should
be
preserved.
If
something
is
damaged,
we
should
repair
it
rather
than
replace
it,
and
new
additions
should
not
destroy
historic
materials
and
should
be
compatible
with
the
massing
size
scale
and
Architectural
features
new
additions.
G
G
G
G
And
then
guideline
71
is
replacement
porches
if
a
report's
replacement
is
necessary
in
whole
or
part
reconstruct
it
to
match
the
historic
portion,
size,
scale
and
overall
design,
where
possible.
Detail
and
ornamentation
should
be
replicated
using
similar
materials
whenever
possible
and
whenever
possible,
choosing
accurate
details
from
historic
photographs,
and
then
we
also
have
a
guideline
73
new
porches.
It
says
a
new
front
or
side
porch
may
be
added.
G
If
the
house
belongs
to
a
building
type
that
typically
featured
a
porch
and
where
they
Exist
Elsewhere
in
the
district
on
similar
buildings,
the
new
porch
should
be
compatible
with
the
style
of
the
historic
building
and,
as
I
noted,
those
ranch
style
homes
favored
back
porches,
rather
than
the
more
public
front
or
side
porches
B
under
guideline
73
is
do
not
obscure
the
historic
building
entry
when
locating
a
new
front
or
side
porch.
An
open
porch
maintains
the
historic
building
entry,
but
it
enclosed
front.
Porch
would
violate
this
guideline.
G
So
a
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
application,
22
118,
as
presented
for
a
certificate
of
approval,
for
the
reasons
I
just
gave
you.
This
is
incorrect.
This
project
was
publicly
notices.
We
did
not
receive
any
responses
in
the
mail,
but,
as
you
know,
we
did
get
a
letter
at
the
last
meeting
and
everybody
still
has
a
copy
of
that.
H
D
G
So
this
is
from
Patricia
corn,
no
I,
hope
I'm
pronouncing
that
right,
she's
at
319,
West,
Lemon
Street
in
Tarpon
Springs
and
it
states
it's
dated.
11
12,
22.
G
B
Just
I
I've
seen
the
drawings,
but
you
had
mentioned
if
there's
a
new
porch,
that
it
should
not
obstruct
any
of
the
original
the
original
front
door.
This
this
one
does
not.
Does
it.
G
Well,
it
depends
on
your
interpretation
of
obstruct
right
now.
There's
just
a
portico
overhang
and
you'd
have
a
larger
porch
with
columns,
and
it
would
also
be
obstructing
one
of
the
windows.
One.
B
Of
the
windows
that
I
noticed
but
you'd
still
be
able
to
see
the
front
door
from
the
sidewalk,
probably
you
could
still
see
the
door
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
if
this
matters
or
not
for
us
but
I,
know
it
was
mentioned
somewhere
in
in
the
paperwork
that
it
brings
the
setback
to
within
like
18
feet
or
something
of
the
front.
Do
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
setbacks
in
this
deliberation?
B
G
I
I
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
I
did
I
did
neglect
to
say
that
so
it
it
would
change
the
relationship
of
the
building
with
the
street,
but
it
is
compliant
with
code.
G
So
I
would
note
that
it's
compliant
with
code,
but
I
would
say
it's
inconsistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
policies
to
preserve
and
protect
the
architectural
resources.
H
I
have
a
question
yeah,
so
the
house
next
door
306.,
it
looks
like
they
pretty
much,
did
the
same
thing
that
these
applicants
are
asking
for
and
they're
putting
a
porch
in
front.
They
covered
the
window
that
we
talked
about
and
that
was
approved.
So
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
you
knew
what's
changed
that
allowed
that
to
be
approved
in
2018
and
this
one
you're
not
approving
or
as
staff
you're,
not
approving.
G
We
did
not
have
the
design
review
guideline
manuals
that
we
have
today.
We
have
a
much
greater
day,
a
much
greater
level
of
detail
in
our
guidelines
now
and
I
think,
even
at
the
time,
I'm
not
sure
that
I
would
agree
with
that.
That
staff's
analysis.
G
I
think
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
more,
there
was
less
specificity
and
it
was
left
more
open
to
interpretation
or
I.
Think
we
have
clearer
guidelines
now.
I
think
I
I
personally,
would
have
looked
a
little
bit
more
closely
at
the
the
characteristics
of
the
architectural
style
and
how
that
would
affect
it.
A
Okay,
anybody
else
have
a
question:
yeah
I've
got
one
the
iron
work
you're
talking
about
is
that
structure,
Line
work
or
just
decorative
I.
G
A
E
So
in
looking
at
their
improvements,
I
mean
gen,
you
know
the
bottom
line
is
they
want
to
take
the
house
that
they
purchased
and
and
make
some
improvements?
It's
a
1956
home
and
their
goal
is
to
really
improve
the
Aesthetics
of
the
home.
As
you
can
see,
it's
a
ranch
style
home
I'm.
Looking
at
that
one-
and
it
really
looks
wonderful-
and
you
know
our
goal-
would
it
looks
beautiful
I
know
it's
significantly
altered
and
in
this
case
the
applicants
really
aren't
trying
to
alter
the
original
architectural
design.
E
Just
add
the
porch,
so
they're
not
they're,
just
extending
it
over
the
current
Portico,
so
they're
not
changing
the
roof
line
in
any
way.
So
just
adding
that
porch
and
and
really
it
says
in
the
guidelines
that
rear
porches,
rear
porches
aren't
are
more
prevalent
in
this
type
of
design.
But
it's
not
to
say
that
front.
Porches
don't
exist,
so
they
do
exist
somewhere
in
America.
We
can
find
a
front
porch
on
a
ranch
style
home
overall
I
mean
our
intent.
E
E
Who
walking
down
the
neighborhood
and
identifying
if,
if
they're,
the
right
people
that
should
be
walking
down,
you
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
getting
to
know
who's
in
the
neighborhood
and
really
I
mean
my
mother's
lives
across
the
street,
and
we
sit
on
our
front
porch
more
than
we're
sitting
in
the
home
and
it's
a
it's
a
gathering.
We
talk,
we
share
stories,
we
we,
you
know,
spend
our
holidays
together
and
now
we
can
extend
that
across
the
street
and
visit,
so
it
creates
more
Gathering
overall
I
think
it'll
improve
the
community.
E
It's
a
beautiful
design,
a
lot
of
input,
a
lot
of
planning,
money
and,
and
you
know,
integrity
and
doing
all
the
right
things
to
get
it.
Engineered
and
stamped
drawings
were
put
in
place
for
this,
and
you
know,
I'll
read
a
couple
of
points
from
my
sister.
The
current
stoop
is
completely
useless
in
lacking
architectural
Savvy
and
interest.
Our
ports
will
improve
the
design
function
and
Aesthetics
our
next
door
neighbor,
as
we
just
stated
up
here
on
306
Bay,
Street
added
a
porch
on
the
front
of
their
ranch
style
house.
E
Our
porch
is
smaller
in
line
with
the
original
roof
line
and
architecture
porch
on
a
ranch
is
an
improvement
to
an
authorized.
Otherwise
uninspired
design,
my
mom
for
17
years
looked
at
this
bacon
property.
It
was,
nobody
was,
has
been
living
in
it
and
it
really
went
to
really
the
weeds,
the
overgrown
wild
bushes,
the
pain
they
put
paper
to
cover
the
windows.
E
It
was
really
a
derelict
vacant
home
and
she
had
even
paid
to
have
the
yard
mowed
for
almost
over
10
years
sometimes
was
reimbursed
and
at
one
point
the
owner
had
the
yard
bushwhacked,
because
the
bushes
had
grown
so
large
that
covered
the
front
door.
So
code
enforcement
had
advised
them
to
make
changes
and
and
fix
that.
So
in
all
my
you
know
my
sister
and
Mike.
They
want
to
make
this
house
beautiful,
with
curb
appeal
and
character
and
and
really
make
Bay
Street
proud.
B
Well,
I
I
do
but,
but
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
going
to
be
able
to
answer
them
because
you're,
not
the
you're,
not
the
owner,
but
maybe
maybe
you
can,
since
you're,
representing
the
owner,
I'm
kind
of
always
torn
with
decisions
like
this,
because
I
certainly
appreciate
the
importance
you
know
of
historic
appropriateness.
B
I
also
understand
that
something
that
was
built
in
1956
may
not
really
relate
to
how
people
live
today,
right
so
I'm,
certainly
not
against
change,
although
if
push
came
to
shove,
I
would
be
on
the
side
of
not
changing,
but
but
if
I,
if
we
did
I,
think
it's
real
important
that
the
feel
of
the
property
kind
of
stays
the
same
right.
The
the
you
know
the
scale
stays
as
close
as
possible
to
the
original
I
have
a
lanai.
B
Our
Lanai
is
12
feet
by
by
16
feet
and
I
stood
in
it
today,
just
to
get
a
feel
for
it.
12
by
20
is
really
big.
In
my
opinion,
was
there
a
reason
that
they
went
with
that
size
and
and
didn't
think
about
maybe
going
a
little
smaller
with
this
porch?
It.
E
Was
my
understanding
that
they
really
wanted
to
just
improve
and
increase
the
Gatherings?
You
know
a
place
to
sit
front
porch
to
be
able
to
comfortably
sit
there
there.
They
got
some
inspiration
around
other
porches
in
the
neighborhood
that
were
approved.
So
that's
that's
really.
My
understanding
of
you
know
the
intent
of
that
design.
B
The
I
I
understand
that
the
The
Columns
seem
kind
of
massive
too,
but
perhaps
the
person
that
Drew
up
the
plans,
maybe
that
size
column
is,
is
needed
for
support.
E
B
The
the
metal
brackets
that
we
talked
about
earlier
have
have
the
owners
considered,
maybe
incorporating
those,
even
if
they're,
not
structural,
but
incorporating
them
somehow
into
the
front
porch
to
sort
of
get
in
give
a
nod.
You
know
to
the
Past
you.
E
Know
I
know
that
they
would
be
open
to
that
kind
of
feedback.
I
know
those
I
mean
I,
just
having
helped
paint
the
house
recently
that
those
current
I
guess
decorative
design.
What
is
really
falling
apart,
and
so,
if
there's
a
way
I'm
sure
they,
you
know
that's
what
we
need
to
do
to
achieve
their
goal
and
achieve
the
goal
of
the
you
know
the
historic
elements
of
it
then
I'm
sure
they
would
consider
that
I'm,
just
speaking
on
their
behalfs,
but
I
can
certainly
take
that
back
to
them.
Sure.
A
Yeah,
that's
now
the
setback
of
most
of
the
houses
in
that
area.
If
you
take
away
that
porch,
your
setback
would
have
been
about
almost
20
30
feet.
E
F
A
A
E
Well,
I
know
the
intent
too,
is
to
improve
the
overall
landscape,
and
then
this
is
just
all
part
of
the
improvements
to
the
home.
So
it's
you
know
it's
really
going
to
I
mean
without
it
without
a
doubt,
look
far
better
than
it
currently
has.
Certainly,
you
know
I
think
they
would
appreciate.
Also
retaining
you
know
the
architectural
value
of
it,
but
they
want
to
make
it.
You
know
like
to
the
point
it
was
1956.
E
F
E
E
E
I
think
it'll
only
increase
the
value
of
the
home
and
individually,
but
the
overall
neighborhood.
You
know
there
is
this.
Whole
movement
called
the
French
porch
movement
and
it's
really
to
counter
America's
growing
polarization
by
giving
people
an
unfiltered
platform
to
start
real
conversations
and
so
I
think,
if
that's
the
kind
of
community
we
want
in
Tarpon
Springs.
This
porch
is
going
to
add
to
that.
F
E
G
D
A
G
You,
okay,
so
I
I
usually
start
out
I
these
these
I
understand
these
are
difficult
cases.
G
We
tend
to
not
value
things
that
maybe
existed
in
our
lifetimes
and
the
the
first
point
and
the
strongest
point
that
the
applicant
is
making
is
one
of
Aesthetics.
That
is
not
our
purview.
We
do
not
have
purview
over
the
Aesthetics
of
what
we
like
and
what
we
think
looks
good.
What
we
have
purview
over
is
the
rule,
the
laws
that
have
been
set
up,
that
we
are
told
to
apply.
In
these
cases
the
applicant
argued
that
they
would
not
be
altering
in
the
design.
G
I
would
argue
that
they
have
already
altered
the
design
by
removing
the
brick
bands
changing
bringing
that
that
bringing
the
space
closer
to
the
street
I
love
that
idea.
I
understand,
front
Port,
front
porch
culture,
I
am
a
big
proponent
of
it.
I
think
that
people
do
need
to
interact
in
having
front
porches
is
one
of
the
things
that
helps
with
that.
However,
having
a
front
porch
is
not
architecturally
appropriate
for
this
structure,
and
the
applicant
mentioned
that
it
was
an
uninspired
design.
G
Well,
it's
a
design,
reflective
of
its
time
and
also
mentioned
that
you
know
how
we
live
today
is
perhaps
different
than
how
we
lived
in
1956.
Well,
nobody
can
argue
with
that,
but
that
was
the
style
of
the
time,
and
that
was
the
architecture
that
our
Board
of
Commissioners
said
that
we
need
to
preserve.
That's
what
we
are
here
to
do.
G
I
think
it's!
It
is
out
of
scale
as
I
mentioned,
and
that
that
this
porch
would
be
bringing
more
symmetry,
taking
away
from
the
historic
Style
so
again
hitting
on
that.
It's
not
what
we
like.
It's
not
what
we
think
is
pretty
and
it's
what
are,
what
are
our
guidelines
and
how
do
we
apply
them?.
A
We
need
a
there
is
no
public,
so
we
need
a
motion
and
discuss
it
right.
B
Well,
okay,
then,
for
discussion
purposes.
I
will
make
a
motion
that,
based
on
strict
guidelines,
I'm
making
a
motion
to
deny
the
application
as
presented.
B
A
F
B
I'm,
just
going
to
reiterate,
I'm
not
totally
against
this
and
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
that
one
person
saying
that
it's
uninspired
certainly
is
not
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
here.
Yeah
I
think
it
was
inspired
personally
yeah
I'm,
repeating
myself,
but
I
would
not
be
against
approving
a
porch,
not
this
porch
because
of
its
size,
and
it's
just
I
believe
it's
too
massive
for
this
house.
So
I
would
I'd
be
happy
to
listen
to
the
applicant
whether
or
not
they
would
consider
downsizing.
F
D
Not
necessarily
so
if,
if
you
did
want
to
approve
it,
and
you
wanted
to
approve
it
with
conditions
that
you
felt
were
more
consistent
with
the
guidelines
that
you
have,
you
can
do
that
so,
for
instance,
during
the
discussion
I
heard
you
talking
about,
you
know
retaining
the
architectural
features
of
the
the
iron
work.
H
D
And
also
with
respect
to
the
size
of
the
porch,
so
if
you
felt
that
you,
you
could
request
those
changes
as
part
of
it,
approve
it
subject
to
those
specific
conditions
that
are
reasonably
related
to
what
you're
trying
to
achieve
with
back
to
the
historical
style,
then
that
is
something
that
you
could
do.
B
D
Do
that,
essentially,
you
know
currently
what
you
have
on
the
floor
is
the
motion
to
to
deny
and.
D
As
presented,
you
didn't
ask
staff
if
there
was
anything
that
they
could
change
or
that
they
would
recommend
that
would
be
in
compliance.
F
B
G
Did
I
did
note
in
the
staff
report,
while
my
recommendation
is
denial,
should
the
board
approve
the
project
staff
would
recommend
that
the
approval
would
be
conditional
upon
changes
to
the
design
to
reduce
the
scale,
maintain
architectural
elements,
character
and
arrangement
of
the
historic
facade.
Okay,.
D
So
you
you've
had
some
additional
testimony
from
staff
for
the
purposes
and
and
I
didn't
hear
you
announce
the
closure
of
the
public
hearing.
So
it
also
ask
at
this
time
if
the
board
would
accept
the
city's
file
on
this
matter
as
evidence
for
your
consideration,
absolutely.
B
F
A
A
You
know
to
where
you
have
one
house
after
another
after
another,
in
The,
Fairly
same
design,
okay,
to
put
a
porch
on
a
house
like
that
would
have
been
out
of
place.
It
would
be
out
of
place
today.
You
know
because
it
was
stick
out,
but
in
this
neighborhood
and
I
think
we
have
to
put
some
weight
on
this
on
the
neighborhood
itself.
Is
you
have
a
lot
of
porches?
You
have
a
lot
of
the
structures
closer
to
the
road
which
this
one
is
not
at
this.
A
A
Then
you
have
a
house,
that's,
although
altered,
it's
has
a
front
porch
on
it.
That
goes
very
well
with
that
neighborhood,
okay,
I
know
we
have
to
stay
by
the
letter
of
the
law,
but
I
think
we
need
to
take
into
consideration
or
put
some
weight
on
the
surroundings,
the
neighborhood
and
how
it
fits
in
and
how
it's
fitting
in
now,
you
know
because
right
now
there
is
two
other
houses
masonry
on
that
same
side
of
the
street,
that
don't
they
just
have
entryways
entry
porches.
A
A
A
A
You
know
a
roof,
I
mean
a
porch
is
a
lot
easier
to
change
back
than
let's
say
if
somebody
wanted
to
add
on
a
room
or
a
garage
or
something
like
this.
Okay,
so
I
think
we
need
to
give
a
little
bit
of
you
know
like
I,
say,
waiting
more
weight
on
that
and
I
think
a
weight.
We
have
to
give
a
lot
more
weight
on
the
desires
of
the
landowner.
The
owners
give
us
looks
good
if
it
stays
within
that
type
of
design.
Now
granted.
A
This
design
does
not
have
a
front
porch
when
it
was
originally
built.
Hardly
any
of
them
did
they
were
starter
homes.
You
know
they
were
meant
to
start
a
family
and
get
them
going.
So
you
want
the
most
house
for
the
amount
of
money
you
know
and
that
that
excludes
a
lot
of
porches
and
that
would
exclude
front
porches
on
almost
every
one
of
them.
A
12
20
I'm
not
worried
about
12,
because
it's
going
depth
into
it,
you
could
quilt
about
10
foot
or
20,
foot
or
side
or
12
foot,
or
something
like
that
doesn't
make
that
much
difference
when
you're
looking
at
it.
You
know
if
we
went
down
to
five
yeah.
That
would
make
a
difference,
but
that
makes
it
a
lot
harder
to
work
with.
You
know
to
really
enjoy
a
porch.
It's
got
to
be
at
least
10..
A
A
A
A
D
D
F
G
B
Would
it
be
appropriate
to
have
the
owners
work
with
staff
after
we
make
some
recommendations?
No.
D
So,
based
on
just
this,
is
just
based
on
the
discussion.
I
heard,
the
condition
could
be
to
reduce
the
scale
if
that's
what
you're,
because
that
was
kind
of
what
I
heard
here,
was
some
concern
regarding
the
actual
scale
of
the
porch.
So
you
could
do
a
motion
to
approve
conditioned
on
them,
reducing
the
scale,
and
if
you
want
to
specifically
Say
by
how
much
you
can
say
that
and
then
also
to
the
the
iron
work,
to
attempt
to
retain
that
in
some
fashion.
A
B
B
F
A
B
A
B
That
was
I
think
that.
B
A
B
B
I'm
willing
to
to
amend
my
motion,
but
I'm
still
hung
up
on
that
size.
If
I
want
to
see
it
in
my
motion,
if
I
want
to
see
it
smaller
I'm,
not
prepared
to
say
10,
20
or
or
eight
feet
by
20
feet
because
I
don't
know
how
that'll
all
work
out
structurally
the
architect
that's
drying
up.
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
to
do
that?
I
I,
don't
want
to
make
that
call.
B
D
Especially
yeah
and
and
for
the
record,
this
is
the
applicant's
representative
correct.
Yes,.
B
E
A
B
Okay,
so
my
new
I
I
would
like
to
amend
my
original
motion
to
approve
the
front
porch,
with
the
condition
of
instead
of
being
12
feet
out.
The
porch
will
be
10
feet,
so
we
lose
two
feet
and
somehow
incorporate
the
two
metal
brackets
into
the
design.
They
don't
do
not
have
to
be
structural.
That's
I'm
getting
way
too
long
for
the
okay.
B
A
H
D
And
Madam
Secretary:
can
we
do
a
roll
call
vote
so
we
can
reflect
reflect
the
member
that
is
abstaining.
We.
C
The
motion
is
to
approve
the
front
porch,
with
the
condition
of
it
being
10
feet
deep
instead
of
12
feet
deep
and
to
incorporate
the
original
brackets
into
the
new
porch
design
should
I
put
original
metal
brackets.
You
can
yeah.
A
C
Miss
Denoff,
yes,
Mr,
sorry,
Mr,
mirzinski,.
B
G
Do
have
a
few
comments,
I
believe
Kim.
Did
you
print
that
we
have
the
scheduled
meetings
for
next
year,
since
this
is
our
last
meeting
of
the
Year?
Oh.
A
G
So
we'll
be
providing
you
with
that,
and
given
this
decision
and
some
several
recent
other
decisions,
I'm
wondering
if
we
do
not
need
to
reevaluate
the
city's
the
board,
this
board
and
our
Board
of
Commissioners
commitment
to
the
preservation
of
modern
architecture,
it's
really
if
we
don't
value
it.
This
is
an
unnecessary
step
for
homeowners.
If
we,
if
we're
not
going
to
make
an
effort
to
preserve
it,
then
why
should
they
come
to
the
heritage?
Why
should
they
have
to
go
through
the
song
and
dance
if.
A
A
I
think
maybe
so
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
to
keep
it.
You
know,
as
close
to
design
that
you
keep
the
Aesthetics
of
the
neighborhoods
correct
the
feeling
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
what
I'm
trying.
D
So
there's
there's
a
couple
things
that
I'm
hearing
that
I
think
could
be
valuable
for
consideration
right
because
all
the
time
anytime,
you're
dealing
with
land
use
and
property,
it's
always
that
Balancing
Act
between
what
the
city's
goals
are
and
what
they're
trying
to
achieve
right
and
then
what
the
individual
Property
Owners
rights
and
sometimes
what
they
want
to
do.
D
One
thing
that
could
be
helpful
that
you
actually
mentioned
that
the
city
was
thinking
about
doing
anyway,
was
evaluating
the
scope
and
nature
of
contributing
structures,
Within
These
districts
that
can
actually
help
you
see
where
you
kind
of
are
on
that
Continuum.
So
if
you
have
specific
styles
of
architecture,
you
know
where
you
specifically
cited
modern
right,
like
the
more
modern
styles
are,
maybe,
where
you're
kind
of
butting
heads
a
little
bit
between
what
your
code
provides
and
what
homeowners
want
to
do.
A
D
That,
once
you
have
that
survey
and
that
information,
then
it's
a
matter
of
taking
that
and
incorporating
it
into
your
code
in
an
appropriate
manner.
So
you
don't
have
to
come
up
against
it
where
you
feel
like
you
can't
keep
with
the
letter
of
the
law,
because
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
feel
you
can't
keep
with
those
stringent
standards.
G
Yeah
I
obtained
a
grant
from
the
state
to
do
an
update
on
our
survey
and
to
also
include
Greektown
and
the
Union
Academy
neighborhoods
in
that
survey
that
we,
that
funding
will
not
come
in
until
summer
After
Next,
but
that's
okay.
We
can
continue
as
we
have
and
go
through
it.
That
way.
We
all
started
working
on
our
comprehensive
Plan
update
as
well,
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
historic
element
in
there.
G
G
So
perhaps
on
a
month
where
we
don't
have
any
cases,
maybe
we'll
we'll
just.
A
G
I
I
bring
that
up
because
we're
doing
this
new
survey
and
honestly
I
can
see
you
know
a
lot
more
getting
added
as
contributing
structures,
yeah.
A
D
And
you
know
you
also
the
importance
of
maintaining
this
too
when
it
comes
to
things
like
the
availability
of
grants
for
the
states,
that's
from
the
state
and
from
other
different
organizations
that
go
either
to
the
city
or
a
lot
of
times
can
also
go
directly
to
the
homeowners
when
they're
trying
to
maintain
some
of
these
historic
structures
is
important.
That's
where
you
want
to
make
sure
that,
though,
you
maintain
a
certain
level
of
contributing
structures
and
and
contributions
to
these
different
styles
is
important.
A
Percent,
okay
sounds
good
Jay
we
go
on
to
board
members,
you
guys
got
anything
to
say.
B
B
I
don't
know
if
this
could
be
part
of
this
new
survey
to
somehow
bring
awareness
to
people
somehow.
B
I
know
they
would
hate
to
do
it
because
they
would
lose
a
sale,
but
the
Realtors
maybe
should
be
aware
of
letting
people
know
that
it's
in
the
historic
district
and
that
there
are
rules
and
regulations
and
if
you're
not
willing
to
go
by
those
rules
and
regulations.
Look
for
a
house
outside
of
the
district
yeah.
B
D
That
should
be
something
that
they're
aware
of
right.
You
know,
and
they
do
that
specifically
to
encourage
people
to
you
know
maintain
that's
one
of
the
benefits,
sometimes
from
for
owning
certain
kinds
of
historic
structures
and
I
would
be
surprised
that
it's
not
more
readily
available
to
them
that
it's
not
on
the
proper.
It's
not
noted
on
the
property
appraisal.
B
B
I
have
been
involved
with
some
other
communities
in
another
state
and
and
what
we
did
was
we
put
together
a
little
package
for
the
Realtors
and
it
even
included
a
little
booklet
on
the
historic
district
history
of
the
historic
district.
What's
appropriate,
what's
not
appropriate
and
it
was
just
an
inexpensive,
little
booklet
and
frankly,
the
people
loved
it.
That.
A
A
Okay,
anything
else:
okay,
7
35,
I'm,
calling
this
one
over
okay.