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You
the
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Heritage,
preservation
board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
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The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
D
All
testimony
and
questioning
at
this
hearing
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
in
material
to
the
issues
under
consideration,
based
on
the
criteria
established
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
If
any
board
member
has
disclosures
regarding
an
application,
please
make
your
disclosures
on
the
record
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
That
would
include
both
ex
parte
and
any
voting
ex-party
Communications
and
any
voting
conflicts
of
interest.
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If
there's
not
a
full
board
present.
At
the
beginning
of
the
hearing,
the
applicant
May
request
a
continuation
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Heritage
preservation
board.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
hearing.
First
city
staff
will
present
its
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
the
application
and
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
cross-examine
the
staff
and
any
staff
Witnesses.
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The
applicant
will
then
have
the
opportunity
to
present
its
Witnesses
and
evidence,
and
the
city
will
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
and
any
of
the
applicants.
Witnesses
then,
members
of
the
public
opposing
and
supporting
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
provide
their
testimony
and
evidence
that
the
applicant
and
then
the
city
May
then
present
any
rebuttal,
testimony
and
evidence
and
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
board
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
discussion
and
consideration
of
the
application
at
this
time.
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E
E
This
gives
you
kind
of
the
area.
Zoning
it's
in
the
special
area
plan
and
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
to
replace
a
shingle
roof
with
metal,
replace
windows
with
single
home
vinyl
windows,
replace
the
existing
porch,
restore
the
original
siding
and
construct
a
new
infill
building
with
a
metal
roof.
At
this
contributing
altered,
structure.
E
So
here
is
the
property,
as
it
appeared
on
the
1913
Sanborn
map
and
in
1919
you
can
see
there
was
an
addition
added
to
the
rear
and
there
were
some
outbuildings
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
Again
1926.
You
can
see
to
note
on
this
these
Sanborn
maps
you
can
see
the
porch
goes.
The
full
length
of
the
building
in
in
the
Sanborn
Maps,
whereas
currently
the
porch
as
it
exists
today,
does
not
span
the
full
width
of
the
house.
E
Here's
the
picture
from
the
Florida
Master
site
file,
here's
the
facade
of
the
property,
as
it
appears
today
and
the
east
side,
the
west
side
go
from
the
west
side
and
the
rear
of
the
property
from
the
alley.
If
you
can
tell
those
those
two
windows
at
the
back,
there
are
the
original
wood
windows.
All
of
the
other
windows
on
the
property
have
been
replaced
previously.
E
Just
showing
the
large
yard
in
the
rear
and
some
context
you
know,
Lemon
Street
is
a
very
kind
of
mixed
street
that
has
a
lot
of
commercial,
some
warehousing
and
then
also
a
few
residences.
E
E
E
There
are
contributing
structures
in
the
area
with
light
industrial
and
office
uses,
so
it's
kind
of
in
the
context
there
in
general.
You
know
the
guidelines
indicate
that
the
outbuildings
or
infill
buildings
should
be
subordinate
to
the
primary
historic
structure,
and
the
scale
of
this
new
building
is
significantly
larger.
E
E
So
go
to
get
a
lot
of
components
of
this,
so
we'll
go
to
the
windows
and
doors
the
doors
and
entryways
depicted
in
the
rendering
of
the
new
building
up
here,
complementary
to
the
the
character
of
The
District.
E
So,
with
respect
to
replacing
the
windows
on
the
historic
structure,
the
majority
of
those
windows
are
not
original,
as
I
pointed
out,
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
the
excellent
porch
and
restore
it
to
a
full
width.
So
that
would
be
taking
away
some
of
those
alterations
that
have
made
it
a
contributing
altered,
structure.
E
So
the
shape
and
texture
of
the
roof
they're
proposing
replacing
the
shingle
roof
with
metal,
so
that
would
be
changing
and
and
also
the
the
sandboard
maps
did
indicate
that
there
was
a
shingle
roof
on
there
originally.
So
that
would
be
another
change
to
the
streetscape,
but
with
respect
to
the
new
outbuilding,
a
metal
roof
on
that
would
be
consistent
with
other
buildings
in
the
area.
E
And
so
I
guess
in
in
finally
the
so
the
rear,
with
respect
to
our
our
criteria,
About
Properties
being
recognized
as
products
of
their
own
time.
So
I
would
state
that,
because
that
addition
was
put
on
so
early
that
that
the
addition
on
the
original
signif
contributing
structure
has
achieved
significance
of
its
own,
and
so
the
the
original
windows
on
that
portion
of
the
structure
should
be
maintained.
E
And
so,
with
respect
to
the
secretary's
guidelines,
most
of
them
are
are
applicable
to
this
project,
so
the
property
would
be
given
a
new
use,
but
it
requires
minimal
change
to
it.
E
The
spatial
relationship
of
the
the
property
would
would
be
altered
again.
So
those
changes,
there's
no
no
conjectural
features
that
are
being
added,
because
it's
just
restoring
this,
the
porch
back
to
its
original
width.
So
it
would
not
it's
not
going
to
be
try
to
appear
that
it's
from
another
time
from
before
the
structure
was
built,
just
reflective
of
that
original
architecture.
E
With
respect,
we
always
want
to
repair
rather
than
replace,
and
obviously
the
the
roof
is
needs
to
be
replaced,
but
we
should
try
and
replace
things
with
similar
materials
that
are
original
to
the
architecture
same
with
the
vinyl
windows.
Even
though
those
windows
have
been
previously
replaced,
a
replacement
with
wood
would
be
more
appropriate.
E
E
With
that
I'm,
just
going
to
remind
you
know,
we
want
to
keep
the
historic
roofing
material.
Is
it
consistent
with
the
style
new
garages
and
outbuilding
should
be
designed
to
reflect
the
architectural
style
of
the
primary
building,
while
it
doesn't
really
resemble
the
primary
building?
The
rendering
of
the
proposed
outbuilding
is
consistent
with
other
properties
in
the
area
and
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
as
conditioned
the
replacement
of
the
roof.
Should
utilize
architectural
shingles,
the
historic
roof
line
needs
to
be
maintained.
E
The
the
two
wood
frame
Windows
should
be
repaired,
rather
than
replaced
with
respect
to
compliance
with
the
code
to
bicycle
parking
spaces
would
be
required
because
it's
going
to
be
in
a
office,
use
type
thing
so
per
the
code.
They
need
to
provide
those
two
bicycle
parking
spaces
and
that
the
certificate
of
approval
would
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
building
permit
has
not
been
issued
with
them,
I
can
take
any
questions.
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C
Appropriate
use
so
so
I
would
imagine
the
the
size
of
the
building
in
the
back
Falls
within
those
parameters.
Yes,.
C
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
bike
thing,
but
you
you
answered
that.
What
do
you
mean
by
historic
roof
lines
will
be
maintained?
Are
you
talking
about
just
the
house
or
are
you
talking
about
the
structure
in
the
back
yeah.
E
So
that
to
your
right
is.
G
E
A
Yeah
I've
got
a
couple
questions
that
now
this
is
a
vernacular
frame,
vernacular.
Okay,
that's
they
had
tin
roofs
on
that
one
on
that
style.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
correct.
E
You
you
know
if
they're
common
on-frame
vernaculars,
but
we
know
that
this
property
had
a
shingle
roof.
Okay,
original,
okay,.
A
Number
two
is
the
bike
rack
that
comes
with
a
different:
that's,
not
our
purview.
Is
it
should
it
be
in
this
recommendation.
E
One
of
our
points
of
review
is
that
it's
consistent
with
other
codes
so
to
be
consistent
with
the
code.
It
needs
to
have
those
bicycle
spaces
if
this
board
doesn't
include
it,
that's
okay,
it's
going
to
come
up
when
it
goes
through
the
building
department.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
I,
just
don't
we
have
all
the
criteria.
We
need
to
do
our
work,
but
now
they're
kind.
H
D
I
E
While
she's
looking
it
up
honestly,
it's
really
better
to
let
people
know
the
requirements
that
they're
going
to.
A
Know
just
a
slippery
the
applicant
aware
it's
a
slippery
slope
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
right
when
we
start
okay,
any
more
questions
with
okay
applicant.
J
F
I
J
I
J
Those
are
not
good,
so
this
has
kind
of
a
historical
feel
and
that's
kind
of
what
the
look
I'm
going
for
I
don't
want
to
put
a
row
of
metal
buildings
that
were
allowed
two
doors
down
or
across
the
street,
which
is
not
historical,
but
since
it's
on
Lemon
Street,
you
can
see
it.
So
that's,
basically
what
I'm
trying
to
do.
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C
A
D
Chairman
I
do
have
an
answer
to
your
question,
so
section
109.01,
subsection
10
provides
that
the
proposed
project
shall
conform
with
other
requirements
of
this
code
and
be
in
compliance
with
the
applicable
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
So,
while
that
is
not
a
hundred
percent
of
your
purview,
it
is
within
the
standards
that
you
may
review
when
you
are
imposing
conditions
and
granting
a
certificate
of
approval.
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A
D
A
A
K
Aaron
Knutson
304,
pineapple
and
I've,
been
sworn
in.
I
just
want
to
support
what
he
was
doing.
I
think
it's
great
to
you,
know
kind
of
evolve
and
build
and
make
things
better.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
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G
G
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A
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A
Okay,
okay,
second
Let's
talk
about
this;
okay,
let's,
let's
go
through
the
points;
first,
okay,
replacement
of
the
roof
and
utilization
of
architectural
materials.
A
Right
for
Craftsmen
and
that's
what
we've
been
working
with
lately
as
Craftsman
honest
frame,
vernacular
they
used
to
have
those
you
know.
That's
this
approved
roofing
for
frame
vernacular
a.
A
A
C
I
mean
I:
do
that
it's
and
again
it
I
believe
it's
appropriate
and
I.
Think
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
is
appropriateness,
whether
or
not
it
was
original
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
a
tin
roof,
but
the
main
reason
that
I
am
going
to
say
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
agree
with
the
shingles
is
because
of
that
addition.
C
According
to
the
his
application,
the
addition
is
going
to
have
a
medal.
C
The
that
roof
that
he
wants
to
put
on
the
addition
would
be
the
one
that
he
would
put
on
the
house,
so
it
would
match
and
and
I
think
I'm
just
seeing
that,
which
is
why
I
asked
about
the
Landscaping
I
I,
guess:
I
see
it
as
a
way
to
not
certainly
minimize
the
size
of
that
building,
because,
frankly,
I
don't
know,
if
anything
can,
but
it
it
sort
of,
brings
them
together
a
little
bit
more
as
as
one
instead
of
the
little
house
being
its
own
little
entity.
C
As
long
as
it
matches
the
addition,
it's
the
same,
the
same
roof
and
not
roof
line,
which
is
why
I
needed
clarification
on
that.
It's
just
about
the
material
I'm
talking
right.
A
A
Okay,
now,
let's
go
with
one
more
is
the
wood
frame
windows
in
the
back?
We
agree
with
the
changing
the
rest
of
them
out
am
I
right.
Well,
I
can't
say
that,
but
anyhow
I
think
there's
an
agreement
with
that,
however,
which
frame
built
the
maintaining
wood
frame
once
in
the
back
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
upside
to
that,
because
you
won't
be
able
to
see
them.
You
know.
I
A
C
K
A
Okay,
okay,
so
let's
go
now!
Those
are
the
last
of
the
points
right.
Okay,
so
can
we're
gonna
have
to
Amanda
right.
D
F
And
I
would
have
to
repeat
all
these,
but
with
the
new
right
yeah
okay,
then
I
will
I'm
amending
the
motion
to
state
that
a
mental
roof
is
approved
for
both
buildings
in
the
historic
roof
lines
will
maintain.
But
the
wood
frame
windows
in
the
back
can
be
consistent
with
other
windows
in
the
in
the
building
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
wood.
I
G
A
A
C
F
D
So
if
you
want
to
impose
that
as
a
condition
you
may
it's
just
not
one
of
the
ones
that
was
listed
as
a
recommendation
from
staff,
but
if
you
want
the
roofs
to
look
consistent
with
each
other,
then
that
is
something
that
you
can
impose
as
a
condition.
D
I
C
A
Okay,
so
calling
for
a
roll
call
vote.
A
C
C
C
So
so
the
we're
really
only
talking
about
the
house,
because
the
the
the
building
the
warehouse
already
has
a
metal
roof
that
wasn't.
Even
we
already
approved
that
okay.
B
B
So
then
Miss
Kaplan,
yes
missed
an
off.
Yes,
Miss
Hallett,
yes,
Mr
mirzinski,
yes,
Mr
specker,.
A
304
pineapple
Street
we've
got
some
to
do
in
the
backyard
staff.
Would
you
want
to
breathe
against
on
this.
E
This
slide
shows
the
location
of
the
property
in
the
local
historic
district,
and
this
shows
the
zoning
around
the
subject.
Property
and
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
to
extend
their
existing
driveway
to
the
South
and
construct
a
new
at
grade.
Concrete
patio
north
of
the
existing
detached
garage.
E
E
We
really
only
have
a
couple
of
standards
of
a
review
that
apply
here,
neighborhood
and
District
context
and
adherence
with
the
secretary's
guidelines.
E
So
with
respect
to
the
neighborhood
context,
there
are
other
similar,
patios
and
driveways
in
the
area,
so
it
seems
consistent
with
that
and
no
historic
materials
would
be
destroyed
and
it's
not
going
to
be
removing
anything.
So
it
would
be
slightly
changing
the
spatial
placement
of
the
house,
so
it
would
be,
would
have
more
concrete
around
it
than
historically.
E
So
that
is
one
alteration.
It's
up
to
you
to
determine
how
significant
it
is,
but
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
the
following
conditions:
that
the
driveway
extension
must
have
a
minimum
three
feet:
separation
from
the
adjacent
property
line
and
that
the
certificate
of
approval
will
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
building
permit
has
not
been
issued,
the
minimum
three
feet
is
again,
so
it
will
be
compliant
with
code.
A
G
E
E
A
A
E
Yes,
I
believe
he
could
reduce
it.
Let's
see.
A
E
A
Okay,
the
applicant,
if
you
want
to
come
up
and
give
us
a
brief.
K
Aaron
Knutson
304,
pineapple,
yeah,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
you
want
me
to
brief
on.
Basically
just
trying
to
make
more
room
for
parking,
but
I
understand
you
have
the
three
foot
thing
so
I
think
I
would
challenge
that.
I!
Guess!
That's
not
through
you
guys.
My
neighbors
are
aware
and
they're
totally
fine
with
whatever
I
want
to
do
just
make
sure
not
to
cross
their
property
line,
which
I
can
do
that.
K
So
it
sounds
like
I'll
have
to
challenge
that
through
someone
else
which
that's
fine
yeah,
just
trying
to
put
cement
on
the
side
of
the
garage
I
want
to
put
my
kayak
out
there
and
not
have
to
deal
with
weeds
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah
I,
don't
you
have
any
questions
or.
K
I
want
to
I
want
to
extend
it
out,
I
only
I
park
there
anyway.
If
we
have
extra
people
there
or
company,
my
daughter
is
about
to
get
her
license,
so
I
need
to
get
another
car,
so
I'm
trying
to
make
enough
room
to
have
her
park
there,
I'm
and
not
park
on
dirt.
I,
don't
think
it's
really
environmentally
friendly
to
park
on
dirt.
Personally,
so
yeah
I'm
trying
to
cement
that
whole
area.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
yep.
Okay,
any
public
comments
on
this
one.
A
Okay,
hearing,
none
we'll
continue
we're
going
to
bring
them
back
to
the
board.
Do
I
hear
motion.
A
G
A
G
C
C
A
E
So
first
slide
just
going
to
show
you
where
the
property
is
located
near
the
Western
Terminus
of
West
Tarpon
Avenue
at
the
Bayou.
E
E
This
is
a
contributing
structure
built
Circa
1890
and
it
was
originally
a
single
family
residence.
The
original
chimneys
featured
Corbell
brick
collapse
that
contributed
to
the
queen
and
styling
of
this
structure
and
at
your
regular
meeting
of
July
11
2022,
the
Heritage
preservation
board
approved
a
request
as
modified
for
a
certificate
of
approval
to
replace
the
existing
roof
with
an
asphalt
shingle
roof
at
the
subject
contributing
structure.
E
The
original
request
was
modified
at
the
meeting
to
require
repair
and
retention
of
the
ex
the
existing
historic
for
chimneys
and
the
use
of
asphalt
shingles
for
the
main
roof
and
Dormers
in
October
of
2022.
The
original
chimneys
were
destroyed
and
a
stop
work
order
was
issued.
The
applicant
was
notified
that
the
chimneys
needed
to
be
replaced.
E
Roofing
work
was
allowed
to
resume
and
the
applicant
replaced
the
chimneys
without
submitting
a
building
permit
application
or
revising
their
existing
roofing
application
to
include
these
chimneys.
So
in
an
application
for
and
after
the
fact,
building
permit
was
submitted
in
March
2023,
and
that
is
why
we
are
here.
Today.
Inspections
and
forensic
engineering
will
be
needed
to
determine
that
the
chimneys
were
constructed
to
the
specifications
that
are
indicated
in
there
after
the
fact,
building
permit
and
the
replacement
chimneys.
E
E
E
E
So
here's
some
of
the
issues
with
these
Replacements
they
do
not
replicate
the
original
core
building,
they
do
not
replicate
the
original
colors
and
they
do
not
replicate
the
original
ornamentation,
such
as
the
central
indent,
so
standards
for
review.
We
need
to
look
at
the
neighborhood
and
District
context:
the
roof,
shape
and
texture,
architectural
features
and
adherence
to
secretary's
guidelines.
E
E
E
So,
with
respect
to
the
secretary's
guidelines,
we
don't
ever
want
to
remove
historic
materials.
If
we
can
avoid
it,
we
don't
well.
I
should
note
that,
with
the
replacement
chimneys,
they
have
added
copper
flashing,
which
is
conjectural.
It's
not
original
to
the
house.
It
matches
what
they
they've
put
up
with
the
roofing
now,
but
it's
it's
contextual
and
it's
an
inappropriate
addition,
distinctive
features,
it
finishes.
Those
chimneys
were
a
distinctive
feature
and
exterior
alterations
should
not
destroy
historic
materials
that
characterize
the
property.
A
I,
remember
correctly,
when
we
talked
about
this,
when
they
were
proposing
this
that
they're
talking
about
it,
they
had
another
gentleman
in
here
at
the
time
that
was
talking
about
fiberglass,
you
know
replicas.
They
could
make
and
there's
other
ways
we
can
go,
but
the
basic.
What
you're
saying
is
it
needs
to
look
the
same.
It
needs
to
look
at
the
way
it
was
original,
whether
it's
functioning
or
not,
doesn't
make
any
difference
it
has
to
because
of
the
roofline.
It
has
to
be
that
way.
E
That
we've
talked
back
and
forth
and
they
were
aware
of
my
recommendation
so
with
yeah
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
applicant
we've
been
in
touch,
you
know,
since
we
issued
the
stop
work
order
so.
A
E
Would
need
to
come
back
to
us
with
plans,
building
plans
to
replace
those
chimneys,
bring
us
products.
You'd
show
us
the
materials
they're
going
to
be
using
and
getting
approval
from
you,
and
then
they
can
get
their
building
permit
and
the
chimneys
could
be
properly
inspected
as
they
were
being
built
rather
than
forensically.
A
E
That's
not
really
for
me
to
decide.
I
would
recommend
that
the
chimneys
be
replaced
with
brick
and
mortar,
because
that's
the
original
material
that
was
used.
Okay,.
F
E
A
L
I
was
a
little
girl
here
and
so
I'm
very
happy
to
be
back
and
to
be
able
to
you
know
to
see
all
the
places
the
way
they
used
to
be.
In
fact,
when
I
give
directions,
I
always
say
you
know,
go
down
these
things
don't
exist
anymore,
go
down
to
where
coach
hatsey
lived
and
I
live
across
the
street
from
Anclote
Manor
I
use
all
those
terms
and
I
use
those
terms
and
I'm
saying
them
to
you
right
now,
because
I
promise
you
it.
L
It
is
important
to
me
that
things
look
the
way
they
did
so.
Having
said
that,
I
do
work
with
Aries
I'm
good
mad
house
is
basically
I
help
I
help
Matt
and
I
know
Michael
real
well
because
gudus,
we
grew
up
together,
so
I'm
kind
of
speaking
on
behalf
of
both
of
them
too
right
tonight,
and
what
happened
is
when
our
crews
went
up
to
take
down
the
roof
and
they
were
removing
the
shingles
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
L
The
the
part
where
the
chimney
is
and
again
I'm,
not
a
roofer
I'm,
just
going
to
explain
it.
The
way
I
was
I
was
explained.
It
was
already
compromised
around
there
and
if
you
look
at
the
old
pictures,
when
tagarelli
and
them
had
it,
you'll
be
able
to
see,
am
I
allowed
to
give
these
to.
You
can
I
give
them
pictures
Carolyn,
yeah,
oh
okay,
the
top
one
is
the
one
we
put
up.
Bottom
was
one
for
the
one
from
Broly.
L
L
L
So
at
one
point
what
was
happening
was
this
chimney
and
it
was
causing
a
big
problem
and
the
house
was
leaking,
and
so
they
determined
to
not
have
it
like.
Like
Miss
Carolyn,
said
as
a
non-functional
chimney,
which
is
fine,
I
mean
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
have
your
chimney
working
okay,
but
when
they
did
that
when,
when
that
became
like
that
and
when
the
guys
were
pulling
the
stuff
up,
there
was
not
and
we're
taking
full
blame
here.
I
am
not
putting
they're
not
putting
this
on
anybody
else.
L
There
was
not
a
piece
of
paper
and
that
these
packets,
that
we
give
the
boys
they're
not
boys
the
men
to
go,
pull
off
the
roof
stuff.
That
said,
leave
the
chimneys
so
looking
at
it
looking
at
it,
crumble
and
I
meant
to
bring
y'all
some
of
the
bricks.
My
son
was
actually
one
of
the
guys
that
was
picking
up
the
brakes
trying
to
fix
them,
so
we
could
use
them
again.
L
They
literally
were
crumbling
the
mortar
and
everything
just
from
age.
I
mean
that's
just
what
happens
over
time
was
falling
apart.
So
the
guys
not
knowing
did
the
wrong
thing
and
knocked
it
down.
So
we
take
full
blame
for
that.
At
that
point,
we
we
came
down
or
they
came
down
or
whatever
to
find
out,
and
they
said
no
I
think
you're
you're
probably
going
to
need
to
put
those
back.
We
did
not
understand
and
when
I
say
we
I'm
referring
to
the
company,
not
you
know,
Maureen
or
whatever.
Please.
L
First,
let
me
tell
you:
I
was
a
teacher
for
25
years,
so
what
you
had
to
do
is
you
had
to
move
around
to
all
the
kids,
so
we
we
went
and
thought
that
the
permit
that
we
had
was
all
encompassing.
It
was
just
a
miscommunication,
so
we
then
went
back
and
got
an
engineer
and
I
have
like
Miss
Carolyn
mentioned
earlier.
We
do
have
that.
What
do
you
call
them
as
built
as
built?
You
know
the
the
diagrams
and
everything
of
how
they
did
it
and
I'm
sure
I've
already
had
that?
L
Okay,
okay,
well,
the
ones
that
remember
the
day.
I
came
by
I
came
by
and
we
have
one
that's
signed
that
has
built
which
has
all
the
plans
on
there
and
I
got
it
from
Michelle
downstairs
and
Miss
Carolyn
came
down
and
saw
it,
and
she
explained
to
me
that
that
meant
that
was
our
plan,
but
she
didn't
get.
The
thing
from
the
actual
engineer
is
that
right
right.
E
L
E
L
When
they
went
back
and
we
built
it,
we
were
going
to
you
know
rebuild
it.
We
found
that
the
engineer
had
said
that
it
was
not
strong
enough.
Okay
for
it
to
be
built
with
actual
bricks.
At
that
point,
plus
I'm,
sorry
moving
it.
The
entire
thing
and
just
like
Miss
Carolyn,
showed
you.
It
is
it's
straight
built
up
like
that,
because
we
had
to
go
in
reinforce
it,
put
what
we
actually
put
on
flat
roofs,
so
it
doesn't
leak
like
a
TPO.
L
We
put
that
on
there
we
built
it
all
out
and
everything,
and
then
we
ended
up
using
because
it
didn't
have
the
strength
to
hold
actual
real
bricks.
At
this
point,
yes,
we
knocked
it
down.
Yes,
we
were
building
the
closest
we
could
find
to
that.
Look:
okay,
they're
not
as
red
and
I
understand
that,
so
that's
a
a
color
difference.
Now
that
was
the
order
in
which
you
know
that
happened.
L
This
was
not
something
that
we
just
went
and
slapped
up
and
said:
oh
it
doesn't
matter,
we
knocked
these
down.
We
want
to
put
this
up.
It
took
quite
a
while
we
had
an
engineer.
Come
we
looked
at
it.
We
we
did
everything
that
we
could
to
make
them
fit
code
because
it
had
to
fit
code
and
be
to
appear
the
same
way.
L
So
we
would
have
had
an
even
bigger
problem,
because
now
you
have
this
chimney,
that's
not
really
secure
and
you
have
all
the
stuff
going
down
and
so
excuse
me.
That's
completely
capped
off
a
big
Square,
just
like
Ms
Carolyn
said,
is
built
now,
we've
put
on
the
you
know
the
outside,
that
is
literally
half
of
a
brick
okay,
and
then
we
built
out
which
we
call
the
core
bells
or
whatever
I
call
it
the
steps
kind
of
a
step,
step
type
of
an
area
there.
L
The
thing
about
the
colors
is
that
was
actually
the
the
color
of
the
is
closest
to
the
era
that
we
could
find
and,
as
you
pointed
out
in
her
in
the
pictures
that
y'all
saw,
there's
chimneys
all
different
colors
and
even
you
know
it
could
be
painted.
So
the
truth
is
we
could
just
go
back
and
paint
it.
L
You
know,
because
really
the
board's
not
going
to
tell
us,
you
can't
paint
your
chimney,
so
they
could
just
all
be
white
I
mean
then
it
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
even
know
the
difference
between
you
know
what
it
was
and
what
it
wasn't.
Also.
The
copper
caps
are
the
exact,
copper
caps
that
were
there
before
those
we
saved
those
we
cleaned
them
up.
We
have
a
metal
shop
and,
and
put
those
back
so
you
know
the
dimension
of
the
actual
chimney
is
exactly
the
same.
L
We
did
build
out
and
you
can
look
in
that
picture
and
see
it.
We
did
build
out
some,
but
we
didn't
build
build
out
as
much
because
when
you're
building
out
with
the
when
you're
not
this
is
a
brick
and
when
you're
building
out
with
half
a
brick.
It's
only
going
to
go
out
this
far.
Okay,
the
other
thing
was
I'm
just
trying
to
cover
all
the
points.
The
flashing
which
Ms
Carolyn
mentioned.
Yes,
that's
true,
we
did
put
copper
flashing.
L
You
can't
actually
see
on
the
chimney
the
copper
flashing,
though,
because
it's
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
chimney
thing
there
so
and
really,
when
you
go
by
when
you
walk
by
I'm
I
know
that
it
doesn't
have
that
indention
in
it
and
the
color
of
the
brick
is
different,
but
that
little
cutout
thing
right
there
is
I
mean
I
I,
can't
imagine
anybody
walking
by
the
house
looks
amazing.
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
It
looks
so
pretty.
L
It
looks
a
lot
more
like
your
original
picture,
and
this
is
not
picking
on
anybody,
but
when
they
did
that
checkerboard
roof
and
you
know
all
those
different
colors
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
Now
it's
at
least
back
to
that
era.
So
you
don't
walk
by
that
house
and
say
this
doesn't
look
like
what
you
know
the
way
it
used
to
be.
L
Let
me
think
what
else?
Oh,
so,
basically,
the
areas
of
concern
again,
as
we
said,
were
that
we
didn't
use
the
same
materials.
We
I
discussed
that
the
color
also
the
the
build
out
like
we
were
talking
about
and
then
the
the
copper,
the
copper.
So
those
were
the
four
things
that
I
was
able
to
pull
out
of
the
report.
That
I
guess
we
didn't.
You
know
y'all
felt
like
it
was
or
as
Carolyn
felt
like
it
was
something
we
needed
to
address.
L
I
really
feel
like
we.
We
tried
to
use
the
best
materials
to
rebuild
something
again.
We
take
full
blame
for
taking
it
down,
but
to
make
it
true,
we
did
not
hurry
slap
up
something
to
make
it
just
look.
You
know
like
whatever
you
know
and
we
just
messed
up.
We
really
tried
to
make
it
right.
We
had
an
engineer
come
in
and
design
it
and
make
sure
that
it
was
safe
because,
honestly,
not
just
that
chimney.
L
L
It
did
and
I
know
the
intent
is
really
to
keep
keep
everything
like
it
used
to
be,
but
I
mean
sad
to
say:
I
love
our
brick
roads
I
played
on
those
brick
roads
but
y'all
when
I
drive
down
those
brick
roads,
I'm
going
like
this,
the
entire
time
in
my
car
and
I
keep
thinking.
Oh
my
gosh
one
day,
they're
gonna
have
to
pay
over
this
and
I
understand
why
you
know
so
again.
I
I
appreciate
what
what
you're
doing
here
and
I
understand
it.
L
I
just
wanted
to
present
the
fact
that
we
I
didn't
want
you
to
think
we
just
slapped
something
up.
We
had
an
engineer.
We
went
step
by
step.
We
tried
to
fulfill
all
of
these
things
and,
in
conclusion,
I
was
just
gonna.
I'll
read
this
I
feel
like
it.
It
builds
a
strong
case
to
rebuild
the
chimney
and
we
tried.
We
made
a
commitment
to
to
really
try
to
put
it
back
to
way
the
way
it
looked
now.
L
If,
if
there
is
an
issue
about
the
core
billing
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it,
but
the
build
out
parts
or
whatever
Matt
did
say
we
could
add
some
to
that.
Of
course,
it
won't
look
exactly
the
same,
but
at
least
we
could
add
it.
You
know
make
it
a
little
more
dimensional
as
far
as
the
roof
line,
it
hasn't
changed
that
at
all,
like
you
pointed
out
on
the
other
gentleman's
thing
you
know
you
walk
up,
you
see
it
the
height.
L
You
know
that's
a
whole
other
story,
because
you
have
to
fit
code
and
so
places
that
are
being
rebuilt.
Now,
of
course,
can't
do
the
same
thing
that
they
did
back.
Then
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
those
real
tall
chimneys
so
again,
I'm
sorry,
we
knocked
it
down.
We
are
put
no
blame
on
anyone
else,
but
ourselves,
and
it
was
just
a
paperwork
thing,
and
these
things
happened,
but
that's
all
I
got
I'm.
Sorry
I
could
breathe.
Now.
A
I
A
Probably
get
back
with
you:
okay,
let's
see
you
have.
D
Any
public
you
have
to
open
up
to
the
public
first.
A
D
Anything
else
to
say,
I
actually
have
a
couple
additional
questions.
I
didn't
ask
before,
but
your
credentials
are
on
file
with
the
city
and
you're,
offering
the
city's
file
as
evidence
in
this
matter.
Yes,
and
does
that
file
contain
any
sort
of
application
for
an
economic
hardship
under
Section
110.01?
It
does
not.
Okay,.
A
E
Okay,
so
I
guess
my
only
rebuttal
would
be
that
we
have
ordinances
against
demolition
by
neglect,
and
essentially,
what
is
what
was
just
told
to
you
was
that
these
things
were
falling
apart
and
they
were
just
crumbling.
Well,
that's
demolition!
By
neglect
they
weren't
they
weren't
being
repaired
regularly,
so
they
were
falling
apart.
That's
you
know
the
burden
of
the
historic
property
owner
to
maintain
their
property
with
respect
to
the
attorney's
question.
E
If,
if
they
would
like
to
demonstrate
that
it
is
economically
infeasible
to
replace
the
chimneys
with
appropriate
materials,
they
would
need
to
supply
that
with
their
application
so
and
again
if
they
want
to
make
any
other
additional
changes
to
try
and
Rectify
some
of
the
issues
that
I
have
pointed
out.
They
would
need
to
come
in
front
of
this
board
again
with
plans
that
demonstrate
what
they're
going
to
do
so
that
we
don't
have
to
do
things
after
the
fact.
A
I
L
D
So
you
can
either
do
a
motion
to
approve
the
demolition
or
you
can
do
a
motion
to
deny
the
Demolition
and
you
can
impose
conditions
if
you
choose
to
approve.
If
you
do
deny
it,
then
they
do
have
the
ability
to
come
back
next
month
with
a
request
for
that
economic
hardship
which,
under
the
code
is
allowable
30
days
after
you
render
a
decision
and
then
they
can
present
additional
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
some
some
of
what
she
had
already
testified
to
here.
But
the
code
does
specify
that
it
is
supposed
to
be.
D
G
D
D
D
F
D
F
So
I'll
make
a
motion
for
23.41
at
53
West
Tarpon
Avenue,
to
approve
demolition
of
the
original
chimney
and
to
approve
the
rebuild
ing.
I
A
C
D
Those
two
motions
would
be
synonymous
together
because
they
already
took
it
down
right,
so
you're
approving
after
the
fact,
the
permission
to
take
it
down.
Right
then,
also
with
that,
you
have
the
the
rebuild
which
you
can
impose
conditions
on
like
if
you
want
them
to
go
back
and
redo
it,
so
that
it
looks
more
in
line
with
the
historical
chimneys,
you
can
do
that,
but
you
would
have
to
impose
that
as
a
condition
under
that
second
part
of
the
approval
right
now.
D
The
motion
just
stands
for
the
after
the
fact:
approval
of
the
demo
right
and
then
the
approval
of
the
chimneys
I'm
assuming
as
built,
because
the
motion
didn't
clarify.
That's
built
I.
F
G
A
Still
have
to
get
approval
for
from
who
from
us
no.
C
C
D
So
if
you,
if
the
maker
and
the
second
wanted
to
withdraw
the
motion
and
enter
a
new
motion,
you
can
you
can
do
that
all
right,
so
the
second
is
withdrawing
okay.
How
do
you
want
to
reword
it
them.
F
F
G
C
A
D
I
D
Discussion
about
what
the
motion
was
they
and
what
the
effect
of
the
motion
was.
They
opted
to
withdraw
their
emotions.
Okay,.
C
A
Right,
so
what
we
need
to
do
is
essentially
deny
the
demolition
yeah
and
then
they.
I
A
C
D
Correct
they
have
several
options,
as
I
had
asked
before.
There's
the
economic
hardship,
one,
the
other
one
too,
is
to
to
come
back
with
some
sort
of
plans
that
make
it
more
in
line
with
the
historical
accuracy
of
of
the
chimneys.
So
those
would
be
some
things
that
they
could
do
if
you
do
choose
to
move
forward
with
a
motion
to
deny.
C
D
A
It
okay,
okay,
now
in
the
wrangling
direct
me
to
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm
gonna
try
to
bring
this
out
a
little
bit
more.
Is
we're
going
to
be
voting
to
deny
essentially
the
tear
down
of
the
original
okay.
Now
you
can
come
back
with
a
proposal,
say,
hey
well
we're
looking
for
what
we're
looking
for
is
something
that
looks
the
same
okay.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
to
make
it
look
the
same.
You
can
leave
the
other
ones
up
until
we
get
this
squared
away.
A
Okay,
but
that
that's
how
we're
getting
to
you
know.
We
need
you
to
come
back
to
us
with
somebody.
You
know,
I
have
no
doubt
that
you
guys
really
look
through
this
a
lot.
You
know-
and
you
did
some
good
work
on
it,
but
you
need
to
come
before
us,
so
we
can
approve
it,
and
then
we
understand
that
strength
wise.
You
know
you
had
to
go
with
half
bricks
and
stuff
like
that,
were
not
unreasonable,
but
we
need
some
input
from
you.
Okay,
and
we
need
to
talk.
L
A
E
C
A
C
Really
yeah
conversation
probably
shouldn't
happen,
but
yes,
we
are
looking
and
I
think
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
is
I
I
totally
get
while
you're
on
the
roof
working.
You
don't
always
know
what
you're
going
to
find
you're
going
to
find
rotten
wood
you're
going
to
find
broken.
Brick
I
totally
understand
why
they
did
what
they
did.
I
think
what
we
also
need
to
get
is
that
the
the
main
thing
is
the
design
of
it
and
and
them
going
ahead
without
coming
back
to
us.
I.
C
C
D
D
A
You,
okay,
we're
going
to
continue
on
yeah
application,
23
42.!
This
is
for
427,
East,
tarpon
and
you've
got
some
additional
work.
You
want
to
do
on
yours.
So
can
we
have
staff
kind
of
brief
us
on
this
sure.
E
E
It
is
also
in
the
special
area
plan
area
and
you
can
see
the
zoning
surrounding
it
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
certificate
of
approval
to
replace
an
existing
metal
shingle
roof
with
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof
and
the
architectural
style
is
a
Craftsman.
E
This
Circa
1910
property.
Here
it's
located
on
the
1919
Sanborn
map,
here's
a
picture
from
the
Florida
Master
site
file
for
the
subject,
property
and
here's
how
it
looks
today,
just
to
point
out
some
of
the
distinctive
features
we
have.
The
texture
oversized
battered
peer
supports
on
the
porch
there
you
can
see.
Some
of
the
windows
have
been
replaced
there.
There
have
been
some
alterations
of
the
property
over
time,
but
it
maintains
enough
Integrity
to
be
a
contributing
structure
in
both
our
national
registered
district
and
the
local
historic
district.
E
E
E
And
then,
with
respect
to
the
roof,
shape
and
texture
being
consistent
with
the
the
craftsman
style.
So
on
that
Sanborn
map,
it
noted
that
it
was
a
shingle
roof
and
we've
previously
established
that
craftsman
style
typically
have
shingle
roofs.
Well,
what
may
they
be
architectural
or
composite
or
metal?
They
do
have
typically
have
shingles,
so
that
would
be
considered
an
architectural
feature
of
the
property
and
then
so
we
always
want
to
repair
with
respect
to
the
secretary's
guidelines.
E
E
If,
if
all
roofing
material
needs
to
be
removed,
then
the
new
roofing
material
should
match
the
existing
or
B
characteristic
of
the
architectural
style
in
terms
of
material
size
and
patterns,
so
changing
from
those
metal
tiles
to
large
sanding
seam
would
be
changing
that
pattern
and
it
would
be
if
the
roof
was
completely
replaced.
It
would
be
destroying
historic
materials.
E
E
A
E
E
Actually,
the
the
house
two
doors
down
that
I
showed
you
I
just
got
an
application
from
them
to
replace
their
roof,
so
they're
becoming
fewer
and
farther
between.
So.
C
E
No
they're
just
looking
to
replace
the
upper
roof
and
I
believe
it
would
be
visually
similar
to
what
they
have
on
the
porch.
Now.
E
Or
it
would
be
metal
yeah
I'd
be
like
the
similar
to
what
they
have
on
the
porch.
Now.
E
See
so
you
can
see
the
this
upper
roof
here,
it's
it's
more
dull
than
what
they
have
on
the
porch
right
now.
You
can
see
there's
kind
of
a
difference
between
the
two.
I
G
G
H
Thomas
Heil
785
South
Village
Drive
on
those
overhangs
we're
not
we're
not
trying
to
change
anything
like
that.
We're
going
to
install
a
drip
edge
and
our
panel
right
to
that
we're
trying
to
match
the
existing
porch.
So
it
looks
the
same
with
regards
to
getting
those
panels.
I
don't
believe
we
could
find
those
anywhere
and
even
if
you
could
we're
only
in
under
contract,
to
do
the
top
roof
and
we're
trying
to
match
the
standing
seam
as
existing
on
the
porch.
A
A
A
C
Yeah
we
have
to
make
a
motion
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
their
proposal,
their
their
application.
I
A
You'll
second,
it
yeah,
okay,
okay,
let's
go
through
the
point
said
talk
about
historic
roof
lines:
inmate
should
be
maintained.
Are
you?
We
talked
about
keeping
a
metal
roof
as
far
as
a
standing
scene,
just.
C
A
A
D
C
A
A
C
Then
I
will
amend
to
approve
the
standing
scene
roof
with
the
staff
recommendations.
I
C
A
A
We
continue
on
with
23.50.
E
I
E
This
map
shows
the
surrounding
zoning
of
the
property.
It's
right
on
the
edge
of
the
special
area
plant
and
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
to
replace
two
awning
style
windows
at
the
subject
property.
E
This
one
story,
contributing
structure
came
before
this
board
at
the
May
1
2023
regular
meeting,
and
at
that
meeting
the
HPB
conditionally
approved
the
application
to
replace
original
aluminum
awning
style
windows
with
single
hun
vinyl
windows,
except
for
the
living
room
window.
These
are
the
windows
that
the
applicant
has
now
requesting
a
certificate
of
approval.
For
so
the
applicant
has
researched,
awning
style
replacement
windows
and
is
seeking
to
present
additional
evidence
to
the
board
for
consideration
and
and
request
approval
of
the
the
single
home
rental
windows.
E
E
This
is
showing
the
context
of
ring
Avenue.
E
E
This
is
information
provided
by
the
applicant,
showing
how
these
would
be
constructed,
and
you
can
see
here.
The
sections
of
the
the
millions
are
different
in
the
the
modern
awning
windows,
rather
than
was
existing.
E
And
this
is
the
proposed
window,
so
primarily
the
standards
of
review
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
are
Windows.
Obviously,
the
neighborhood
and
District
context,
architectural
features,
adherence
with
the
secretary's
guidelines
and
then,
as
always,
conformance
with
other
city
code
requirements.
E
So
our
standard
of
review
related
to
Windows
is
always
we
want
to
repair
rather
than
replace
when
possible,
and
if
not,
we
want
to
replace
with
the
same
materials
and
similar
visual
qualities.
E
E
E
However,
a
staff
is
maintaining
that
there
are
window
configurations
out
there
that
could
look
more
like
the
existing
window.
Even
if
you
didn't
preserve
the
awning
function,
which
is
a
distinctive
feature,
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
balance
things
here
and
with
respect
to
adherence
to
the
secretary's
guidelines,
we
would
be
destroying
historic
material
and
and
replace
it
with
non-original
materials.
E
So
a
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
application.
However,
if
the
board
approves
the
proposed
project,
it's
recommended
that
the
approval
will
be
conditioned
as
follows:
that
replacement
windows
preserve
the
number
of
panes
existing
dimensions
and
visual
appearance
of
the
original
window.
So
that's
getting
to
trying
to
find
a
window
that
looks
similar
even
if
it
doesn't
have
that
historic
awning
function,
and
then
the
certificate
of
approval
would
expire
in
three
years.
If
a
building
permit
has
not
been
issued,
but
then
I
can
answer
any
questions.
C
A
A
C
M
Evening,
my
name
is
Ernest
Patrick
and
I
reside
at
211.
North
ring
and
I
have
been
sworn
in,
I
miss
lambford,
stated
I
did
appear
before
this
board
last
month
and
I
requested
I
am
in
the
process
of
upgrading
the
windows
in
my
home
and
last
month,
I
requested
that
nine
Windows
I'd
be
allowed
to
replace
nine
awning
windows
that
are
original
to
house
65
years
old
and
again,
I
was
requesting
that
nine
Windows
be
replaced
with
single
hung
impact
glass
windows.
M
This
board
did
approve
seven
of
those
windows.
However,
two
of
the
windows
were
denied
and
a
certain
mandate
was
placed
by
Miss
Lanford
of
what
the
two
remaining
Windows
should
look
like.
So
I
am
here
before
you
this
evening,
requesting
once
again
having
done
considerable
research
on
awning
windows
that
Miss
Lanford
is
requesting.
I
am
here
once
again
requesting
that
I'd
be
allowed
to
install
the
single
hung
windows.
M
The
two
models
I
have
there,
the
one
on
your
on
your
right
is
an
this-
is
a
full
scale
of
the
actual
Windows
there's
36
inches
wide
and
they're
50
inches
high
in
the
window
on
the
the
right
is
the
actual
window.
That's
in
the
house
right
now
and
all
these
dimensions
are
accurate.
The
window
on
the
left
is
the
what
I
am
calling
the
mandated
window?
M
M
There
are
a
couple
of
people
here
who
were
not
here
last
time.
I
was
before
this
board
and
I
would
like
to
note
that
I
am
an
architect.
I
hold
a
Bachelor
of
Science
degree
in
architecture
and
I
was
also
a
licensed
builder
in
the
state
of
Michigan
for
a
little
bit
about
35
years
up
until
the
time
that
I
retired,
so
I
I
come
to
this
meeting
with
a
great
girl
a
great
deal
of
knowledge.
M
M
Okay
and
I
am
calling
this
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
the
city's
mandate,
and
there
are
three
elements
to
this
mandate.
The
first.
The
first
element
is
the
number
of
pains
okay,
and
we
can
see
on
the
original
window
on
the
right
that
there
are
three
panes
of
glass.
Okay.
That
is
something
we
can
quantify.
We
could
look
at
that
and
we
can
quantify
what
that
means.
Three
panes
of
glass,
the
next
part
of
the
Mandate,
is
existing
Dimensions.
Well,
once
again,
we
can.
M
We
can
quantify
that
we
can
get
a
tape
measure,
we
can
measure
and
say
yes,
we
will
have
the
exact
dimensions
we
can
quantify
that
and
the
next
element
of
the
Mandate
is
visual
appearance
of
the
original
Windows.
Now
this
is
where
it
gets
a
little
tricky,
because
we
can't
quantify
what
that
means.
Visual
appearance,
but
I
think
what
I
can
do
here
is
I
can
put
a
context
around
what
that
means:
visual
appearance,
okay,.
M
M
M
M
They
are
merely,
they
are
a
rectangle,
but
if
they
were
oriented
90
degrees
vertically,
then
it
would
have
a
different
orientation.
But
again
these
have
a
horizontal
orientation
and
I
feel
that's
what
Miss
Lanford
wants
to
maintain
in
the
new
window.
That's
going
to
go
in,
be
it
a
horizontal
sash,
a
horizontal
piece
of
glass,
okay.
So
again,
this
is
what
I
am
calling.
The
spirit
of
the
Mandate
is
the
horizontal
orientation
of
the
window.
M
Now,
on
the
right
of
that
picture,
we
see
a
picture
that
was
taken
from
the
PGT
catalog,
which
is
the
window
manufacturer.
I
am
proposing
to
use
and
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
fortuitous
that
the
city
was
asking
for
a
one
one
configuration
awning
window
and
there
just
happened
to
be
that
picture
in
the
catalog,
so
I
was
able
to
present
it
now.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
note
about
this
window
here.
M
This
window
is
not
manufactured,
as
you
see
it
per
se.
In
order
to
achieve
this
111
configuration.
What
pgp
has
done
is
they
have
taken
three
individual
awning
windows
and
stacked
them
on
top
of
one
another
because
of
the
weight
of
impact
glass,
you
cannot
manufacture
an
awning
window
where
all
the
panes
of
glass
can
simultaneously
be
opened
with
one
crank.
The
glass
is
very
heavy
and
it
would
not
be
cost
effective
to
to
build
a
mechanism
like
that.
M
So
again,
what
this
manufacturer
has
done
is
they've,
taken
three
individual
awning
windows
and
created
this
one.
One
look
I
said
well,
I
thought
to
myself:
well,
that's
kind
of
weird:
let's,
let's
look
at
other
manufacturers
and
see
how
they
resolve
this
problem.
So
I
next
went
to
a
company
called
CWS,
which
is
a
direct
competitor
of
PGT.
M
Cws
is
a
florida-based
company
and
they
also
make
a
high
quality
impact
window.
In
fact,
they
were
my
second
choice
after
PGT
and
I
told
them
what
I
wanted
I
said:
I
wanted
one
one
awning
window
that's
manufactured
as
one
unit
and
they
told
me
the
same
thing.
It
cannot
be
done
because
of
the
weight
of
the
impact
glass.
If
you
want
a
one
one,
one
configuration
we're
going
to
take
three
individual
awning
when
they're
stack
them
together
and
that
will
give
you
your
windows.
M
I
said:
okay.
Well,
let
me
go
further.
Yet
so
I
I
contacted
Pella
Windows
an
appello
window
is
a
national
window.
Manufacturer
they've
been
in
existence
in
in
business
since
1925,
and
they
gave
me
the
same
answer:
I
contacted
Anderson
window,
a
national
manufacturer
been
in
business
since
19
1903
same
response.
M
M
Now
this
window,
as
is
shown
here,
is
has
a
vertical
orientation,
but
this
window
can
also
be
manufactured,
so
it
has
a
horizontal
orientation
and
again
to
create
the
window.
Wheat
that
Miss
Lanford
is
suggesting
you're
asking
for
we
would
take
three
of
these
windows
and
stack
them
on
top
of
one
another
and
the
next
page.
Please.
M
Now
what
this
shows
is
this
is
a
specification
sheet
from
PGT,
and
this
shows
the
specification
of
the
mobar
and
what
the
mo
bar
is
when
you
take
two
individual
windows
and
you
want
to
join
them
together
to
make
a
larger
window.
This
is
the
structural
element
that
you
would
use
this.
One
is
what
allows
us
to
take
two
windows
join
them
together
to
be
one
cohesive
unit.
M
M
M
M
Let's
look
at
the
cross
section
on
the
left
and
again
in
order
to
achieve
this
one
one
one
configuration:
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
take
three
windows
and
join
them
together
and
I've
shown
those
three
windows
on
that
cross.
Section
number
one
number
two
number
three
and
then,
where
window
1
and
window
two
meet
I
have
there
is
a
detail
there,
and
what
that
says
is
what
you
see
there.
Is
you
see
the
bottom
of
frame
two,
the
bottom
frame
of
window
two,
and
that
is
2
and
11
16
inches
next?
M
Is
the
inch
and
a
quarter
mull
bar
again?
This
is
how
we're
going
to
join
window
one
and
gen
window
two
together,
and
then
we
see
the
top
frame
of
window
number
one,
which
is
also
2
and
11
16
dishes.
If
you
add
those
three
components
together,
you
get
a
total
of
6
and
5
8
inches
okay.
So
if
you
look
at
the
window
on
the
left,
those
two
horizontal
members
that
you
see
there
are
6
and
5
8
inches
wide,
and
that
is
also
what
I
have
presented
to
you
there.
M
Those
pieces
of
plywood
I
gave
you
a
one
inch
piece
which
is
the
horizontal
member
of
the
existing
window
to
compare
it
to
the
6
and
5
8
inch,
horizontal
member
of
the
of
the
mandated
window
see
that
they
are
not
the
same.
They
are
visually,
not
the
same.
One
is
one
inch.
One
is
six
six
and
five-eighths
inches.
M
M
Also,
what
I'll,
what
I
would
like
to
know
to
notice
at
this
point
is
examine
the
cross
section
on
the
right,
the
existing
window.
You
see
very
little
frame
there,
there's
a
frame
at
the
top
there's
a
frame
at
the
bottom
and
where
the
two
sashes
meet
there's
a
one
inch
horizontal
bar,
which
again
is
is
shown
in
the
the
the
model
that
I
built
there.
M
I
hope
I'm,
not
missing
anything.
The
existing
Windows
the
model
on
the
right
has
a
surface
area
of
glass
of
85
percent,
85
percent
of
the
existing
window.
That's
in
the
house
now
has
a
glass
area
that
is
85
percent
of
the
window.
M
M
M
So
I
thought
to
myself.
Okay,
let's
see,
instead
of
doing
all
this,
let's
see
I'll
just
get
one
big
awning
window
made
I'll,
go
to
the
manufacturer
and
say
make
me
a
window:
that's
36,
inches
wide
50
inches
tall
as
an
awning
window,
we'll
put
a
couple
of
million
bars
in
mutton
bars
in
there,
we'll
call
it
a
day.
Well,
this
is
what
I
found
out
when
I
went
down
that
path.
M
Pgt,
the
maximum
height
awning
window,
the
PGT
manufactures
is
42
inches,
CWS,
maximum
height
window
36,
inches
Anderson,
maximum
height
38,
inches
Pella,
maximum
height
42,
inches
gen,
weld
maximum
height
31
inches,
so
that
turned
out
to
be
a
dead
end.
They
just
don't
manufacture
window.
That's
tall
enough
to
make
compote
make
that
as
one
awning
window.
M
There
are
only
four
types
of
windows
that
are
being
manufactured:
there
are
awning
windows,
there
are
casement
windows,
there
are
sliders
and
there
are
single
hung.
Slash
double
hung
windows.
If
a
window
has
an
operable
sash,
it's
going
to
be
one
of
those
four
windows:
let's
examine
the
characteristics
of
each
of
those
windows.
M
M
The
second
type
of
window
is
a
casement
window,
and
the
casement
window
has
three
characteristics
similar
to
the
awning
window.
The
casement
window
is
operated
by
turning
a
crank.
You
open
and
close
the
window
by
turning
a
crank
like
the
awning
window,
which
is
hinged
at
the
top.
The
casement
window
is
hinged
either
on
the
left
or
the
right
and
like
the
awning
window,
the
casement
window
opens
away
from
you
to
the
outside
and
to
me
that
is
the
Achilles
heel
of
a
casement
window.
M
M
Who
wants
the
interior
of
their
Windows
being
subjected
to
rains
torrential
rains
which
one
of
us
has
never
left
the
house
to
go
shopping
at
Costco
and
let
the
windows
open,
and
while
we
were
gone
in
our
absence,
it
started
raining
and
we
go
oops.
I
forgot
to
shut
the
windows.
It's
probably
happened
to
all
of
us
at
one
time
or
another.
So
again
the
the
the
fact
that
the
casement
window
opens
out
into
whether
is
again
something
that
just
doesn't
sit
right
with
me.
It's
not
a
window.
M
Another
thing
about
the
casement
window
that
would
have
to
fit
in
the
opening
that
I
have
for
my
home
is
this
window
would
have
a
vertical
orientation:
okay,
it
would
be
36
inches
wide
and
50
inches
tall,
but
we
already
know
that
the
city,
what
the
city
is
looking
for,
is
that
horizontal
orientation
of
the
sash
or
the
glass
that's
in
keeping
with
what's
in
the
house
right
now,
so
the
casement
window
can
be
ruled
out
because
it
doesn't
have
that
horizontal
orientation.
It
has
a
vertical
orientation.
M
M
So
if
you
want
to
open
the
window,
you
would
slide
the
sash
to
the
right
and
then,
if
you
want
to
close
it,
you
would
slide
it
to
the
left.
Well
light
the
casement
window,
the
slider
also
has
a
vertical
orientation.
So,
for
that
reason
we
can
eliminate
that
as
a
possible
replacement,
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
city's
Mandy
of
having
the
horizontal
orientation
for
the
sash
and,
lastly,
that
leaves
the
single
hung
window
which,
again
in
my
application,
would
have
the
horizontal
effect
that
the
city
is
seeking.
M
M
If
you
were
to
take
a
a
single
hung
window
and
put
it
side
by
side
with
a
1-1
awning
window
of
exactly
the
same
size
at
a
hundred
feet,
these
windows
would
look
identical.
You
would
not
be
able
to
discern
which
window
is
the
single
hung
window
in
which
one
is
the
the
awning
window
they
would
have.
The
sashes
would
be
virtually
identical
inside.
They
would
both
have
a
horizontal
member
of
about
two
inches
that
ran
through
the
center
of
the
window.
M
M
I
feel
hey
I've
done
my
due
diligence
in
research,
I,
presented
facts
into
statistics,
CU
explaining
how
some
windows
would
work
in
this
application.
Some
windows
would
not
I
feel
I
have
made
a
good
faith
effort
to
satisfy
the
requirements
of
the
city
when
PGT
could
not
give
me
the
window
that
the
city
wanted
I
turned
and
looked
to
other
manufacturers.
M
M
So
I
feel
like
made
a
good
faith
effort
to
fulfill
the
Mandate
of
the
city.
I
would
also
like
to
note
that
again,
when
I
was
here
last,
the
city
approved
seven
single
hung
windows
for
my
home.
Three
of
those
windows
are
in
the
front
elevation
so
now
to
take
two
different
windows
and
install
them
there.
It
would
be
a
disconnect
from
the
three
other
windows
that
will
be
single
hung
windows.
M
Also
when
I
appeared
before
this
board
last
time,
I
told
you
I
did
a
sidewalk
survey
of
all
the
windows
and
all
the
homes
in
my
neighborhood
in
88
percent
of
the
homes
had
single
single
hung
windows
in
the
front
facade
and
with
that
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
would
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
you
may
have.
C
M
C
Okay,
I
can
totally
I
knew
exactly
what
you
were
talking
about,
because
I
went
through
the
same
thing.
I
know
that
you
have
to
build
awning
windows.
Actually,
seven
years
ago
this
group
told
me
to
put
in
awning
windows
when
I
came
here
and
I
never
regretted
it,
but
I
I
will
say
that
the
glass
is
much
smaller,
but
my
window
openings
are
much
bigger
than
yours.
C
Yes,
yes,
so
I
understand
that
and
and
just
as
an
aside
they're
kind
of
nice
in
the
rain,
because
you
can
open
them
up
and
but
that's
okay,
we
don't
need
to
go.
M
There
well
I
agree
with
you
there,
but
again,
just
as
a
little
history.
Why
do
we
have
awning
windows
because
80
years
ago,
when
they
were
they,
they
conceived
this
window?
They
didn't
have
central
air.
Okay,
when
it
rained,
you
opened
your
windows
and
if
it's
90
degrees
outside
you
didn't
want
to
close
your
window.
That
is
the
the
the
the
the
concept
that
that
created
the
awning
window.
Today,
if
it
rains,
we
turn
on
the
air
conditioner.
M
C
I
understand:
okay,
getting
back
to
the
window
here,
you're
talking
single
hung
and
not
a
double
hung.
Are
there
Windows?
You
probably
know
this
better
than
I
do
where
the
bottom
sash,
the
movable
sash,
would
be
larger
than
the
fixed
pane
at
the
top,
so
in
effect
you're
sort
of
looking
at
what
you
have
now
without
the
bar
at
the
bottom.
M
Yes,
there
is,
and
that
is
referred
to
as
an
Oreo
window
and
I
actually
owned
a
house
when
I
lived
in
Michigan
that
had
Oreo
windows
and
the
top
sash
was
I,
think
that
was
smaller
than
the
bottom
Sash
and
as
I
remember,
the
bottom
sash
was
like
twice
the
size.
It
was
like
a
two
to
one
ratio.
So,
yes
to
answer
your
question,
it
does
but
now
I,
think
you're
getting
away
from
the
intent
of
the
Mandate
is
to
maintain
a
continuity
of
the
windows.
I.
A
Sir,
any
public
seeing
none,
okay,
let's
turn
this
to
the
board.
G
A
Second,
good
I'll
tell
you
what
I
for
one
this
window,
like
he
says,
was
designed
for
a
different
error.
Long
before
air
conditioning
and
it
went
between,
sashes
and
assassins
were
at
first,
like
my
old
ones,
were
all
sashes,
but
then
they
came
out
with
these
and
it
was
a
light
year
ahead
and
then
they
came
out
with
the
air
conditioning
that
was
even
better
yet
so
I
appreciate
all
your
digging
into
it
because
they
don't
make
these
anymore.
A
You
know
now
not
the
way
you're
making
them
and
they
can't
because
of
regulations
on
the
Windows
themselves
and.
M
No
ma'am,
these
would
be
they'd,
be
vinyl.
A
Well,
the
thing
is,
we
have
a
lot
of
these
windows
in
our
area
and
this
is
going
to
come
up
a
lot
and
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
it's
hard
to
do
if
you
have
a
problem
with
the
via
a
window
like
this,
you
know
the
awning
type
or
the
other
one
is
the
only
way
to
replace
it
is
with
a
sash
right.
You
know,
so
that's
my
thoughts.
There.
C
I
A
Well,
out
of
all
the
windows,
these
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
different.
Looking
on
the
outside
from
the
outside
right,
the
other
one
smaller
ones,
they're
awnings,
but
there
was
two
paint
on
eggs
I
see,
so
it
looks
just
like
a
regular
sash
sash
window.
That's
why
that
went
through
oath
okay,
any
more
questions.
A
D
A
Yeah,
that's
just
what
I
was
getting
at.
Those
are
actually
Four.
Windows
right,
you
have
on
your
existing
houses,
two
they're.
M
M
A
A
A
A
E
So
the
subject
windows
are
jealousy
Windows.
We
had
seen
this
subject:
property
previously
for
replacement
of
Josie
Windows
and
at
that
meeting
staff
recommended
denial
of
the
application
based
on
inconsistency
with
the
review
criteria,
including
lack
of
evidence
that
the
historic
Windows
could
not
be
repaired
or
that
appropriate
Replacements
were
unavailable
alterations
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
streetscape
inconsistencies,
with
the
property's
original
architecture,
Style
in
character.
E
Here
is
the
facade
of
the
building
the
west
side,
close
up
on
the
West
Side,
showing
the
jealousy
windows
the
east
side,
and
then
this
slide
shows
the
proposed
project,
which
is
to
replace
the
remaining
original
windows
and
to
alter
the
dimensions
of
two
of
the
remaining
windows.
E
This
is
the
proposed
product
that
will
be
used
and
our
standards
review,
they're
applicable,
are
obviously
Windows
architectural
features
and
adherence
with
secretary's
guidelines.
Basically,
this
is
a
replay
of
the
last
meeting.
E
The
the
jealousy
windows
are
a
distinguished
architect,
a
distinguishing
feature
of
that
modern
era
architecture,
and
it
would
be
destroying
historic
materials
that
are
original
to
the
property.
The
replacement
of
the
windows
would
alter
the
aesthetic
of
the
streetscape
and
compromise
the
historic
Integrity
of
the
street.
E
E
With
respect
to
the
secretary's
guidelines,
we
should
try
to
retain
and
preserve
the
Short
character
properties
and
not
remove
historic
materials,
maintain
distinctive
features
and
when
things
have
deteriorated,
Beyond
repair,
we
should
replace
them
with
new
features
that
match
the
old
in
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities
and
were
possible
materials
and
then
alterations
should
not
destroy
historic
materials
so
that
stuff
staff
recommends
Nile
of
the
project
as
presented.
If
the
HPB
recommends
approval
of
the
applications.
E
C
Yeah
this
gentleman
was
in
front
of
us
before,
yes
with
all
the
other
windows,
so
what's
different
here
now
it's
different
Windows
different.
E
Yes,
he
was
only
seeking
approval
for
one
unit
at
the
last
time.
These
are
the
remainder
and
at
that
meeting
the
HPB
stated
that
he
should
not
alter
the
dimensions
of
the
windows.
He's
now
requesting
approval
to
alter
the
dimensions
of
two
of
the.
A
A
We
can
ask
him:
okay,
any
more
questions.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
applicant
I've,.
D
N
A
couple
of
comments
to
what
the
lady
just
said,
I
think
you
mentioned
these
windows
aren't
any
different
than
the
ones
you'll
approved
last
time.
I
was
here
what
happened
last
time.
I
was
here
the
two
of
the
windows
that
we're
asking
to
reduce
the
size
they're
in
the
bathtubs
and
right
now
in
the
bathtubs.
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
photographs,
she
showed
they're,
just
big
like
three
by
four
three
by
five
windows,
I
mean
I,
mean
you
see
everything.
N
As
far
as
original
windows
are
concerned.
If
you
look
at
the
ladies
photographs,
there's
just
a
huge
mix,
Max
of
Windows
in
this
building,
the
only
ones
that
might
be
original
are
some
of
the
jealousy
windows
and
we
kind
of
went
over
the
jealousy
Windows
last
time.
I
was
here,
I
mean
they're,
just
not
practical
anymore.
N
You
know
for
for
Florida
the
the
only
Dimensions
there
again
are
changing
those
two
windows,
otherwise
they'll
be
going
back
in
the
same
openings
and
they
won't
be
any
changes
there
and
the
reason
I
am
back
before
you
today
was,
of
course,
to
change
the
rest
of
the
windows
and
because,
when
I
did
my
application,
the
first
time
I
did
not
note
that
we
wanted
to
change
the
dimension
of
one
of
those
windows.
N
So
I
had
to
come
back
through
so
because
I
figured
we're
going
to
come
back
through
It's
Our
intention
to
change
all
the
windows,
so
I
figured
I
might
as
well
get
you
know,
approval
now
for
the
rest
of
the
windows
for
the
project.
But
if
you
look
closely
there's
there's
single
hung:
aluminum
windows,
there's
there's,
there's
the
crank
out
type
windows.
It's
just
they've
been
changed
over
the
years.
The
Integrity
of
those
windows-
if
that's
what
it
was
meant,
was
gone
a
long
time
ago.
N
A
The
two
windows
which
two
windows
are
you
replacing?
Are
they
facing
the
road
or.
N
Yes,
right
there
right
right
there
on
the
road,
the
one
is
from
the
right
hand,
corner
there,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
third
one
down,
that's
that's
a
bathtub
right
there
and
there's
one
other
one
I'm,
not
quite
sure
where
that
one's
at,
in
which
unit
it's
in,
but
there's
one
other
window
that
is
in
you
know
in
the
bathtub.
A
N
I
A
E
H
A
No
public
bring
it
into
the
committee.
I
G
H
C
I
C
C
N
N
They'll
be
35
wide
and
18
inches
tall
it'll
be
like
a
it's
like
a
small
slider.
N
C
N
I
N
Sir,
no
we're
talking
about
out
on
the
at
the
top
of
the
drawing
there's
two
windows
that
are
out
on
the
street.
N
Those
would
be
made
smaller
to
accommodate
the
get
them
up
higher
out
of
the
tub.
C
G
G
A
I
B
A
B
G
A
A
C
G
A
G
A
A
E
E
A
A
A
Yeah,
that's
the
staff
report.
That's
that's
the
whole
thing.