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This
this
is
a
cross
judicial,
proceeding
where
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
acts
in
a
quasi
judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity.
How
to
quasi
judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
H
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
C
H
F
The
project
does
include
wetlands
preservation
and
mitigation
area
on-site
with
respect
to
your
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
in
the
commercial
general
future
land
use
category
and
it's
in
an
area
that
is
generally
office
or
commercial,
both
the
city,
future
land
use
map
and
on
the
county,
future
land
use
map.
This
area
has
a
mix
of
properties
that
are
in
the
incorporated
area
and
some
unincorporated
it's
in
general.
So
the
project
we
feel
is
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
it's
in
the
general
business
zoning
district
and
that
permits
retail
sales
establishments
by
right
again.
F
F
So
staff
recommends
that
this
project
meets
the
comprehensive
planning
and
zoning
requirements
and
recommends
approval
of
the
site
plan
subject
to
six
conditions
listed
on
page
four
of
the
staff
report.
Are
there
any
questions.
G
I
H
E
I
I
think
that
they're
trying
to
keep
their
options
open
now
we
have
a
clear
list
of
approval
conditions
that
they
need
to
abide
by.
So
anyone
that
comes
to
develop
the
the
parcel
will
have
to
adhere
to
those,
but
in
order
to
define
the
exact
architectural
specifications
of
what
it
is
at.
This
point,
I
think
is
a
little
bit
premature,
but
everything's
been
clearly
laid
out
in
the
approval
conditions
to
make
sure
everybody's
expectations
are
met.
Yours
n,
there's.
H
J
E
F
And
this
is
an
application
for
rezoning
amendment
for
Redbank
investments
and
this
property's
in
a
special
area
plan,
which
is
the
transect
zoning
area
of
the
city
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
change
from
designation
of
t5d,
which
is
called
the
North
Pinellas
Ave
transect
to
the
t4c
transect,
which
is
called
residential
high,
and
this
property
is
about
1.4,
six
acres
in
size.
It's
located
on
the
north
side
of
East,
Live,
Oak,
Street
and
just
south
of
the
Fenian
way.
F
So
it's
that
parcel
of
vacant
land
there
that's
in
front
of
the
townhomes
that
are
over
there
on
Athenian
way.
This
is
again
in
a
special
area
plan
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
build
a
townhome
development,
and
the
current
zoning
would
allow
the
residential
density
proposed
by
the
applicant,
but
it
doesn't
permit
the
townhome
product.
It
only
permits
apartments,
so
the
applicant
could
develop
the
property
with
apartments
by
right
today,
but
townhomes
is
the
is
what
is
desired,
and
this
dense.
F
This
zoning
change
would
result
in
an
allowable
density
that
would
be
higher
in
the
t4c
district
than
it
is
in
the
current
t5d.
In
order
to
allow
that
the
countywide
plan
restricts
raising
the
density
in
this
special
area
plan,
which
they
call
an
activity
center.
So
in
order
to
allow
the
change,
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
a
restrictive
covenant
on
the
property
that
restricts
him
to
the
allowable
density
under
the
current
zoning
and
that's
acceptable.
Since
really
all
he
wants
to
do
is
change.
F
Comprehensive
Plan,
this
requested
change
is
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
goals.
The
surrounding
area
is
developed
actually
with
townhomes
residential
with
commercial
and
with
public
park.
There's
the
dog
park
and
splash
Parker
right
next
door,
and
this
is
a
suitable
infill
development
that
meets
the
goals
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
the
Community
Redevelopment
District
area
that
it's
in
this
project
is
in
the
Sponge,
Docks
character
district
of
the
special
area
plan
and
will
support
that
character,
districts
intent
to
increase
residential
stability
while
being
consistent
with
the
housing
types
that
are
envisioned
there.
F
F
Really,
if
you
look
at
the
map
in
your
packet
of
the
zoning
map,
which
is
on
page
10,
you'll
see
that
that
North
Pinellas
district
extended
over
unto
Live
Oak.
It
was
kind
of
originally
envisioned
that
that
commercial
mix
would
go
over
there,
but
the
south
side
of
the
street
has
drainage,
major
drainage
infrastructure
associated
with
Live
Oak
and
in
Northside,
like
I,
said
it
has
townhomes.
So
really
this
this
fits
a
little
bit
better.
F
F
The
TRC
reviewed
this
project
on
October,
17
2019
and
recommended
approval,
and
this
product.this,
some
rezoning
was
properly
noticed
and
there
were
no
comments
received
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
zoning
amendment
from
t5d
transit
district
to
t4c
transit
district.
Are
there
any
questions.
D
E
E
It's
not
an
increase
in
density
because
of
the
covenant
that
would
be
applied,
but
currently
it
would
be
approved
for
a
certain
density
could
build
apartments,
but
he
really
wants
to
build
townhomes,
but
it's
not
allowed
under
this
current
zoning
correct
okay,
so
this
would
be
we're
not
gonna,
add
any
more
units.
He
just
gets
to
build
townhomes,
which,
and
frankly,
is
more
consistent
with
what
is
already
there
correct.
K
D
K
E
G
E
E
H
Actually,
there
are
four
applications
for
the
North
Lake
Estates
pioneer
developers,
application,
18,
50,
19,
30,
18,
51
and
18
50.
Some
of
these
items
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature.
Some
of
them
are
legislative
because
the
evidence
will
likely
be
in
support
of
all
four
applications.
We
will
do
one
presentation
from
staff.
We
will
do
one
presentation
from
the
applicant.
H
We
will
have
the
affected
parties
that
are
have
been
sworn
or
would
like
to
be
sworn
in
to
speak,
underneath
their
time
limits,
and
then
we
will
have
a
final
presentation
both
from
staff
in
the
applicant
and
then
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
on
to
discussion.
At
that
time
there
will
have
to
be
four
separate
motions
once
one
for
each
application,
because
our
separate
criteria
to
consider
for
each
one
and
then
we'll
go
from
there
and
of
course,
I
can
direct
anything
as
we
go
if
needed.
Thank.
F
Right
so
I'll
just
give
you
a
brief
overview
and
I'll
touch
the
highlights
of
each
of
the
application
with
respect
to
the
criteria.
So
this
project,
as
we
just
heard,
has
basically
four
pieces.
One
is
a
request
for
voluntary
annexation
into
the
city.
The
second
is
a
development
agreement
proposed.
The
third
is
a
land
use
amendment,
a
future
land
use
map,
amendment
to
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
and
the
fourth
is
a
plan
development,
a
preliminary
plan
development,
which
is
also
accompanied
by
a
rezoning.
F
So
those
those
items
go
together
and
what
this
is
is
a
proposed
44
unit,
single-family
residential
project
of
one
third
to
one
half
acre
lots
and
it's
configured
to
have.
It's
got
wetland
wetland
area
proposed
wetland
preservation
and
created
wetlands
and
stormwater
area
in
on
the
north
edge
of
the
project.
So
that
is
a
revised
configuration
from
the
original
submittal
that
the
applicant
gave
us.
There's.
One
entrance
proposed
from
East
Lake
Drive
in
the
site
layout
is
all
internal
internally
oriented
to
the
project.
So
there
aren't
any
perimeter.
Roads
aren't
even
abutting
other
properties.
F
This
is
served
by
a
combination
of
city
and
county
services
with
respective
facilities,
and
we
can
get
into
those
details
as
well.
This
area
is
characterized
by
basically
low
density,
tract
or
large
lot
properties
and
planned
developments
in
this
area.
The
city
comprehensive
plan
future
land
use
map
category
proposed
as
residential,
very
low.
The
countywide
map
that
y'all
are
familiar
with
that
already
has
a
designation
of
residential,
very
low,
so
RVL
residential,
very
low
is
the
lowest
available
density.
F
Land
use
category
that
the
city
has,
and
this
project
is
consistent
with
that
category
and
with
the
character
the
surrounding
area.
The
plan
development
by
the
way
and
the
development
agreement
would
hold
the
applicant
to
the
proposed
layout
of
the
project.
So
that's
another
item.
You
should
be
aware
of
TRC
reviewed
these.
This
application,
the
applications,
the
annexation,
land,
use
change
and
planned
development
in
May
2018,
after
which,
as
I
mentioned,
the
applicant
reconfigured
the
project
a
bit,
and
they
had
reviewed
the
development
agreement
in
May
of
2019.
F
Just
a
couple
of
other
points
of
information
again,
the
Pinellas
County
current
land
use
designation
is
rural,
residential
and
preservation.
The
proposed
city
designations
are
residential,
very
low
and
preservation.
The
Pinellas
County
zonings
are
residential,
planned
development
and
residential
agriculture.
The
request
is
to
take
the
entire
property
to
residential
planned
development
under
the
city's
zoning.
F
F
With
respect
to
item
three
C
on
page
four
again,
the
residential
very
low
density
is
higher
than
the
county's
rule,
residential
density,
that
is,
the
Pinellas
County
distinct
from
the
countywide
map.
I
know,
there's
it's
always
fun
to
deal
with
two
or
three
years
here
that
we
have
but
Pinellas
County,
rural
residential
allows
1/2
unit
per
acre
or,
as
the
RVL
on
the
city
and
county
wide
maps,
allow
one
unit
per
acre.
That's
what
necessitates
the
land
assignment.
F
Trc
reviewed
this
again
in
May
of
2018,
and
the
status
of
the
comments
are
provided
in
the
staff
report,
and
this
was
properly
noticed.
I
do
have
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
hand
out
additional
public
comments
that
came
in
since,
since
the
staff
reports
were
repaired,
prepared
with
respect
so
that
completes
the
annexation
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
annexation
and
that
it
meets
the
criteria
review
criteria
with
respect
to
the
development
agreement.
F
F
F
F
F
The
development
agreement
does
require
completion
of
all
permitting
reviewing
processes
under
number
eight
and
I've
listed
where
you
can
find
that
in
the
agreement,
the
statement
addressing
failure
of
the
agreement
to
address
anything
is
included
and
the
location
is
given
there.
There
is
no
phasing
proposed
for
this
project
and
the
development
agreement
was
properly
publicly
publicly
noticed
again.
F
F
Again,
with
respect
to
reading
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
consistency
just
to
expand
on
that
a
bit
the
RVL
category
in
both
the
city
and
county
wide
plans,
is
characterized
characterizes
this.
This
designation
as
a
transition
for
between
more
developed
and
less
developed
areas
for
rural
or
large
lot
very
low-density
residential,
and
this
proposal
is
consistent
with
those
uses
that
are
already
in
have
those
characteristics
in
the
area.
It
has
the
non
intensive
qualities
and
the
layout
that
protects
natural
resources
that
is
called
for
in
the
county
wide
plan.
F
F
F
The
applicant
did
submit
so
the
applicant
did
do
that,
while
retaining
the
large
lot
character.
There
is
an
environmental
considerations
report,
that's
included
with
the
applicants,
submit
all
it's
in
your
packet
and
it
recommends
some
appropriate
actions
and
measures
to
be
taken
to
enhance
the
existing
habitat
and
protect
listed
species.
F
F
The
project,
and
just
going
through
your
your
rezoning
criteria,
staff
feels
that
all
these
criteria
are
met
and
with
just
with
respect
to
item
two
only
that
this
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
and
does
not
introduce
incompatible.
You
incompatible,
uses
noxious
uses
any
of
that
sort
of
introduction
of
new
impacts
to
the
area.
F
F
F
This
was
properly
publicly
noticed
and
again.
I
will
go
ahead
and
hand
out.
The
public
comments
here
in
a
second
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
future
land-use
change
from
Pinellas
County,
rural
residential
and
preservation
to
city,
Tarpon,
Springs,
residential,
very
low
and
preservation
and
rezoning
from
Pinellas
County,
residential,
planned
development
and
residential
agriculture
to
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
residential,
planned
development,
and
we
have
seven
conditions.
I
can
read
those
into
the
record
if
you'd
like,
but
those
are
on
page
11
of
the
staff
report.
E
F
E
E
F
F
E
F
The
density
is
one
unit
per
acre.
The
lot
sizes
are
1/3
to
1/2
acres
in
size,
so
the
density
is
calculated
based
on
the
entire
piece
of
property,
which
is
43.5
acres,
so
that
rounds
up
to
44
by
our
code,
but
the
layout
and
the
size
of
the
Lots
do
not
have
to
comply
with
a
minimum
one
acre
large
size.
F
E
Would
this
be
one
of
the
if
this
were
to
be
approved
in
to
be
annexed?
I
know
that
there
was
before
my
time
a
recent
annexation
within
the
last
few
years
in
this
general
area.
Also,
is
there
a
contiguous
property
city
of
Tarpon
Springs?
Is
this
continuous
good
I
didn't
note
that
there
was
a
mention
of
not
being
an
island
or
such
yes.
F
M
N
Good
evening,
mr.
chair
board
members,
my
name
is
Katie
Cole,
with
the
law,
firm
of
Hill,
Ward
Henderson,
representing
the
owner
and
the
applicant
of
these
four
applications
that
are
before
you
today.
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
Miss
McNeese
and
her
team
and
the
city
staff.
As
you
can
see,
this
application
was
submitted
some
time
ago
and
it's
taken
some
time
to
get
through
the
process
based
on
a
variety
of
reasons,
and
so
we
appreciate
the
patience
of
the
staff,
but,
as
Miss
McNeese
stated,
there
are
four
applications
before
you.
N
The
first
is
a
voluntary
annex
application,
and
this
is
a
rather
perfunctory
application,
a
property
owner
so
long
as
they
meet
the
criteria
in
the
statute.
Florida
statutes,
which
are
replicated
in
the
city
of
Turpan
springs
code,
has
the
right
to
annex
into
the
city
and
once
that
property
is
annexed
into
the
city,
the
city
has
the
obligation
to
place
a
land
use
and
Zoning
category
on
that
property.
N
So
hence
the
reason
that
Miss
McNees
stated
that
the
second
application
is
for
a
land
use
category
similar
in
2017
when
the
McAlpin
property
was
annexed
into
the
city
of
safest
tarpon
springs.
The
residential
very
low
category
is
the
least
intense
category
available
density
wise
to
the
city
of
Turpan
Springs
property
owners.
It
is
the
least
intense
category,
and
so
the
applicant
and
property
owner
respectful
of
the
countywide
rules,
which
already
carries
an
RVL
category,
did
not
seek
to
modify
that
they
simply
wanted
to
come
in
similarly
situated
to
the
situation
today.
N
The
situation
today
in
the
county
is
residential
rural.
That
category
does
not
exist
in
the
city
of
Turpan
Springs.
There
is
no
half-unit
an
acre
category
available.
The
least
intense
is
one
unit
and
acre
residential,
very
low,
which
is
why
the
land
use
being
applied
to
this
property
upon
the
annexation
would
be
residential,
very
low.
The
third
application
bullet
before
you
is
the
appropriate
zoning
and
the
applicant
has
requested
a
residential
planned
development
designation
on
this
property.
N
The
residential
designation
residential
planned
development
allows
for
the
clustering
of
the
parcels
and
property
very
similar
to
Cypress,
run
adjacent
to
this
property.
It
is
also
a
clustered
development.
It's
a
half
unit,
an
acre,
but
has
lot
sizes
of
significantly
less
than
two
acres.
Despite
the
fact
that
the
underlying
land
use
is
a
half
unit,
an
acre.
N
The
fourth
application
before
you
is
a
recommendation
of
approval
for
the
development
agreement
to
memorialize
all
of
this
and
the
applicant
thought
it
was
important
to
work
with
the
city
on
a
development
agreement,
because,
while
the
our
PD
zoning
category
gives
the
staff
and
the
Commission
a
significant
opportunity
to
negotiate
specific
criteria,
the
development
agreement
opens
that
door
and
allows
the
city
further
negotiations
and
to
really
ensure
that
certain
criteria
are
met
included
in
the
development
agreement.
You
will
find
a
higher
stormwater
standard
than
what
exists
in
the
code.
N
A
high
quality
development,
as
described
in
the
agreement,
increased
preservation,
land
use
from
six
and
a
half
acres
in
the
county
to
fourteen
point:
seven
acres
upon
the
annexation
and
land
use
designation
in
the
city
and
to
provide
wetland
enhancements
and
creations
in
exchange
for
moderate
impacts.
Each
of
these
things
are
articulated
in
the
agreement.
There's
obviously
a
lot
of
people
here
tonight
and
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
we've
heard
a
lot
of
communication
to
the
city.
N
With
respect
to
this
parcel
similar
to
win
the
onion
residents
of
unincorporated
Pinellas
County
appeared
before
the
Commission
to
object
to
the
McAlpin
annexation
as
well.
The
Eastlake
community
of
unincorporated
Pinellas
is
mobilized
to
object
to
forced
annexations
and
that's
not
what
this
is.
This
is
a
voluntary
annexation
which
meets
each
of
the
criteria
in
the
code.
N
None
of
the
restrictions
that
limit
a
property
owner
from
exercising
his
constitutional
rights
to
annex
property
into
municipality
so
long
as
that
contiguity
and
no
Enclave
provisions
are
met
would
limit
this
annexation,
which
is
why
we're
here
tonight,
the
staff
report
and
your
professional
staff
has
already
opined
as
to
the
suitability
of
this
annexation
with
respect
to
the
future
land
use.
Currently,
the
County
designation
is
rural
and
again,
the
city
does
not
have
that
residential
rural
designation.
Instead,
the
least
intense
designation
is
residential,
very
low,
and
that
is
what
is
being
requested
today.
N
With
respect
to
the
rezoning,
the
proposed
rezoning
is
further
RPD
to
incorporate
the
need
to
preserve
the
wetlands
area
and
provide
stormwater
while
still
provide
the
suitability
of
developing
this
parcel
to
the
development
potential
of
the
one
unit
in
acre.
The
opponents
here
we
understand,
are
concerned
about
a
few
things,
specifically
the
density
of
one
unit
per
acre.
Again.
This
is
the
least
dense
category
in
the
city
of
Turpan
Springs,
the
stormwater,
the
engineer
Joe
Simoneau
with
WRA,
is
here
and
can
discuss
that
in
more
detail
as
needed.
N
Any
environmental
impacts,
matt
miller
who's
in
our
environmental
specialist
is
here,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
Southwest
Florida,
Water,
Management
District
has
already
reviewed,
but
the
jurisdictional
line,
the
proposed
impacts
and
proposed
mitigation
plan,
an
issue
two
conceptual
ERP
on
each
and
the
traffic
impact.
A
traffic
analysis
shows
a
nominal
impact
on
East
Lake
Drive,
specifically
less
than
four
percent
of
existing
traffic
would
be
the
traffic
increase.
N
So
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
introduce
Joe,
Simoneau
and
Matt
Miller
who
can
answer
any
questions,
specific
I
think
probably
our
time
would
be
better
used
to
respond
specifically
to
your
questions
or
respond
to
some
of
the
objectors
comments.
If
they're
here
and
we
can
make
this
more
productive
or
we
can
off
for
some
specific
details
about
storm
water
and
environmental
I'll.
Frankly,
leave
that
up
to
you
all.
H
I
We've
permitted
multiple
projects,
storm
water,
wise
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
as
well
as
Pinellas
County,
which
is
which,
which
would
likely
be
looking
at
any
any
drainage
going
north
from
our
property
across
North,
Highlands,
Avenue
and
I'd
be
happy
to,
and
we've
done,
a
preliminary
analysis
of
this
site
and
we're
definitely
here
to
hear
residents
concerns
again
something
very,
very
important
to
consider.
We
have
got
a
long
way
to
go
on
the
stormwater
permit.
This
is
planning
level
entitlement
level,
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
I
After
this
stage
we
then
go
into
construction
plan
design,
stormwater
management
plan
design.
We
have
to
go
through
a
rigorous
review
through
the
Southwest
Florida
Water
Management
District
and
their
stormwater
engineers.
We
have
to
go
through
a
rigorous
review
with
city
of
tarpon
springs,
drainage
engineers
as
well
and
again.
Pinellas
County,
which
is
one
of
the
rigorous
or
hound,
will
likely
have
to
coordinate
with
them
on
any
drainage
going
north.
So
this
is
by
no
means
an
approval
of
a
drainage
system,
but
I
do
believe
with
some
pointing
questions.
I
In
these
planning
stages,
the
critical
things
we
look
at
is
what
water's
coming
at
us
and
what
water
is
going
away
from
us.
The
key
component.
There
is
any
water
coming
at
us.
We
don't
want
to
dam
up.
We
don't
want
to
block.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
flows
through
our
site
and
anything
falling
on
our
site
gets
captured
in
our
stormwater
ponds,
and
then
we
send
it
off
on
its
way
to
where
it's
going
naturally,
and
it's
critical
that
we
make
sure
that
we
don't
increase
discharge
rates
going
north.
I
We
have
to
look
at
any
pinch
points
going
north,
which
is
always
good
to
hear
from
the
residents.
Any
pinch
points
going,
north
or
water
may
be
blocked
as
well.
So
we
look
at
what's
coming
at
us.
What's
going
away
from
us,
there's
probably
about
20
acres
coming
from
the
Cypress
Ron
golf
club,
it's
going
actually
directly
towards
where
our
Eastern
property
boundary
is.
I
We
obviously
we
have
a
dozen
residents
around
us
directly
around
this
connected
to
the
property
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
in
the
in
the
southeast
corner.
It's
going
to
be
critical.
We
manage
that
water
coming
in
from
the
southeast
corner,
specifically
for
that
home
to
our
Southwest.
We
have
six
Lots
five
Lots
at
least
five
Lots,
not
six
on
George
Street
north,
where
we
have
about
14
acres,
trying
to
make
its
way
through
our
property.
I
Currently
so
again,
typically
in
the
planning
stage,
we
shouldn't
be
this
way,
but
a
lot
of
times
engineers
will
put
blinders
on
and
look
just
at
your
site
come
up
with
10
to
15%
pond
and
say
we'll
see
a
construction
plan
review.
It
should
work
out
here.
We've
looked
all
around
us
and
again
to
our
Southwest.
We
have
about
14
acres,
trying
to
make
its
way
through
our
project
now
going
to
a
wetland
in
the
center
of
the
property
which
we'll
get
to
in
a
moment.
I
It's
going
to
be
critical
that
we
post
development
conditions
quantify
that
remaining
flow
trying
to
get
through
us
and
provide
accurate,
adequate
cross
drainage
to
get
that
through
our
site
and
continue
on
its
way
to
the
north.
Taking
center
stage
in
this
site
is
a
very
critical
wetland
system
to
the
property
owners.
It's
right
right
on
your
southern
property
line.
So
this
is
what
all
the
agencies
are
going
to
be
looking
very
very
carefully
at
we're.
Gonna
have
to
demonstrate
that
we
are
not
raising
stages
at
all
in
the
twenty-five
or
hundred
year.
I
Storm
event
in
that
wetland.
From
that
wetland,
it
moves
off
to
the
northeast
and
merges
with
that
flow
from
Cypress
run
golf
club
before
making
its
way
through
to
set
two
sets
of
culverts
under
North
Highlands
Avenue
into
the
tributary
leading
to
the
anklet
River.
So
we've
got
a
place
for
the
water
to
go
and
southeast
corner
critical.
We
have
that
homeowner,
which
is
I'm
sure,
is
here.
I
hope
is
here.
We
need
to
make
sure
we're
not
blocking
any
water
there
southwest
corner
we've
got
five
or
six
homes
there.
I
We
have
to
make
sure
continue
through
our
project
site
and
into
that
central
wetland
area
and
that
central
wetland
area
we
have
to
show
seven
different
ways.
Water
levels
are
not
going
up
in
twenty
five
or
hundred
year
storms
and
that
we
still
have
adequate
discharge
from
it
to
the
northeast
out
and
away
from
the
site
so
again
from
a
planning
level.
Normally
we're
not
that
focused
with
everything
around
us,
but
we
knew
how
important
it
was
with
this
specific
project.
E
I'm,
familiar
with
the
location
in
the
road
has
suffered
tremendous
flooding
to
the
West.
No,
it's
not
adjacent
to
your
property,
but
this
one
moves
up
Island.
Frankly,
it's
been
underwater
for
most
of
the
year
and
I
know
it's
not
directly
in
front
of
the
proposed
project,
but
it's
near
obviously
there's
some
challenges
there.
Are
you
a
aware
of
that?
That
would
be
the
one
question
and
B:
how
can
you
show
that
that
situation
won't
be
created
by
your
development,
you're.
P
N
We
are
aware
of
that
and
I'll
let
Jos
speak
specifically,
but
as
a
general
rule
as
a
matter
of
law,
our
stormwater
can't
go
on
anybody
else's
property.
So
so
the
situation
is
what
it
is
on
Highland,
but
certainly
if
we
are
the
first
ones
developing
new
projects
in
this
area.
The
regulatory
and
permitting
agencies
will
look
to
this
project
to
confirm
and
ensure
that
this
project
is
not
making
the
situation
worse
and
I'll.
I
I'm
aware
that
there's
flooding
on
North,
Highland
Avenue
is
is
in
terms
of
the
specific
location
of
it.
I
would
love
to
know
exactly
where
how
bad
why
you
know
again.
We
have
two
sets
of
culverts.
Usually
in
these
cases
we're
looking
for
the
one
tiny
over
that
water
leaves
our
site.
We
have
two
sets
of
culverts
under
North,
Highland
Avenue.
It
will
be
our
job
to
make
sure
those
are
functioning
properly
before
we
assume
they're
functioning
properly.
I
If
there's
flooding
directly
north
and
east
of
us
associated
with
those
culverts,
I
need
to
know,
because
I
need
to
make
sure
that
if
I'm,
assuming
they're
open
that
they
are
open
and
if
they're
not,
we
talked
to
Pinellas
County
and
whoever
needs
to
be
talked
to
about
cleaning
those
out.
If
it's
flooding
west
of
us,
our
water
does
not
go
north
and
west,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
look
at
it.
It
all
gets
accounted
for
in
our
drainage
analysis,
I
think.
G
E
H
H
Q
You
hear
me:
okay,
I,
lived
just
north
of
this
property
and
talked
about
flooding.
I
had
things
I,
hadn't
thought
about
before
I
came
here
tonight,
but
when
we
have
the
high
tides
and
the
rains,
my
backyard
is
flooded.
Big-Time
play
how
long
Creek
that
goes
all
the
way
through
Sacre
string
golf
course
comes
down
to
those
underneath
each
sleep
Drive.
You
know
it's
him
to
the
golf
and
when
we
have
a
high
tide,
there's
no
place
for
the
water
go
so
I've
had
several
feet
of
water.
Q
Q
That's
gonna
go
out
over
219
at
near
his
Boulevard,
and
the
excuse
was
that
was
a
board
before
us,
so
we're
adding
a
whole
lot
of
traffic,
and
this
4%
remember
I,
don't
know
where
the
hell
that
came
from,
but
4%
traffic,
you're
gonna
have
45
houses
and
you're
gonna.
Add
I,
don't
know
three
four
hundred
vehicles
a
day
up
and
down
that
road.
I
mean
I've
lived
here
for
almost
30
years,
and
it's
just
not
that
much
traffic
on
this
lake
right
so
we're
making
it
a
mess.
Q
My
opinion,
the
county,
has
his
own
422
acres.
I've
met
with
both
mister
mirrors
and
said
we
don't
have
a
problem.
Building
22
houses
there,
one
of
your
original
statements.
Why
not
that
meets
the
county
specs?
They
want
to
double
that
density
pack
them
in
there
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
last
plan
said,
but
they
want
had
mother-in-law
houses
on
it
before
so
even
make
it
more
dense.
Q
So
they
really
sell
it
a
lot
of
stuff.
In
there
you
bring
up
Cypress,
run
I,
look
at
seifer's
runs,
there's
a
golf
course
through
and
everything
else
and
it's
opened
most
of
us
live
up.
There
have
a
courage,
you
know
and
we've
enjoyed
that
acreage.
For
me
many
years
the
Northside
of
Highland
Avenue
or
the
Northside
of
Keystone
Road
has
been
a
pretty
rural
area.
We
haven't
had
that
density.
You've
had
in
other
places
and
I
hope.
Q
You
really
consider
before
you
smell
them,
build
45
houses
or
90
with
the
mother-in-law
house
in
there
to
build
that.
The
thing
I
heard
today
is
apparent.
There's
not
enough
city
sewer
there
to
handle
it
so
they're
gonna
have
to
put
in
septic
tanks
for
every
one
of
these
houses.
I
find
that
a
little
bit
odd
these
times
and
peeing
on
a
construction
industry,
I
I,
didn't
know
he
did
subjects
anymore.
Q
Q
$750,000
range,
but
I,
don't
know
when
you
start
squeezing
into
these
little
Lots
I,
don't
think
you're
gonna
sell
houses
for
so
hard,
though
they've
asked
for
sidewalks
on
one
side
of
the
street
in
a
subway
instead
of
both
sides,
but
why
not?
If
they're
gonna,
if
you're
gonna,
let
them
to
do
that?
Why
don't
we
put
a
plaid
walks
all
the
way
down,
Pilon
Avenue
and
down
East,
Lake
Drive,
or
to
Keystone
to
hit
the
trail?
Q
We're
gonna
had
that
many
more
people
and
stick
them
on
the
road
I'm
concerned
now
about
Walker's
running
around
there,
somebody's
gonna
hit
or
somebody's
getting
hurt
and
it
walking
down
the
middle
of
street.
There's
no
sidewalks
here
now
and
you
had
that
much
more
traffic.
Why
don't
we
put
a
traffic
light
on
the
corner,
East,
Lake,
Drive,.
Q
You
got
one
way
in
one
way
out:
I
know
the
solutions,
do
that,
but
then
I
get
thinking
about
what
happens.
If
there's
a
fire
or
what
happens
a
mercy
vehicle
or
what
happens
you
get
in
and
out
there
some
little
elements
I've
done
being
in
the
site
within
it.
We've
always
had
an
access
for
fire
trucks
to
come
in
in
a
back
way
or
back.
There's
young,
you
know,
put
stone
pavers
some
down
there,
just
little
flames.
I
saw,
don't
show
this
anywhere
I
taught.
M
E
Q
R
You
thank
you:
David
Mark,
Washburn
124,
you
select,
drive,
I've,
only
lived
there
25
years,
and
that
makes
me
actually
a
fairly
new
resident
on
the
street
on
two
acres,
which
also
the
one
of
the
smallest
Lots
on
the
road
and
this
whole
development
is
completely
incompatible
with
the
surrounding
area
and
there's
for
a
couple
reasons.
One.
The
density
obviously
is
much
much
larger.
R
So
there's
absolutely
flooding
there
as
well,
and
talking
about
that
one
of
the
concerns
I
thought
about
is
44
McMansions
at
the
price
range
they're
talking,
there's
gonna
be
four
to
six
full-size
bathrooms
in
these
homes
and
I
thought
they
had
eliminated
the
accessory
buildings.
They're
talking
about
and
I
just
looked
at
the
plan
and
they're
still
in
there.
So
not
only
would
there
be
these
giant
mansions,
but
possibly
behind
them
are
next
to
them.
R
In-Law
Elling,
with
another
bathroom
or
two
and
you're
gonna,
have
so
six
to
eight
bathrooms,
all
going
into
septic
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
That's
of
course,
feeding
right
into
the
antler
River,
where
we
already
have
water
quality
issues
and
the
south
side
of
the
property
is
part
of
the
lake
tarpon,
the
namesake
of
the
city's
watershed
district
and
the
south
side
of
the
property
feeds
because
it
travels
south.
It
sits
at
a
twenty
to
thirty
foot
elevation
into
the
lake,
so
that
means
about
half
of
the
septic
tanks.
R
They're
gonna
dump
all
that
waste
right
into
the
lake
tarpon
I'm,
not
sure
it's
Lake
tarpon
is
about
a
football
field
and
a
half
away
from
the
south
end
of
the
property.
I,
don't
think
that's
smart
21
homes
yeah,
maybe
if
you
space
them
out
nicely
but
44
homes,
44
septic
tanks
and
leech
fields,
drainage
field
that
doesn't
work
regarding
the
traffic
yeah.
R
Four
percent
is
ridiculous:
by
putting
forty
four
homes
there
and
let's
talk
about
the
Cypress
run
people
most
of
them
use
the
other
entrance,
and
you
know
the
point
is:
there's
only
about
30
to
40
homes
on
our
street
as
it
is,
this
amount
of
homeless
will
double
the
amount
of
homes
on
our
street.
Double
the
traffic
double
the
homes
do
T
multiplies.
It
needs
to
be
nine
road
trips
per
home
and
I
believe
they
upped
it
last
year
to
ten.
So
that's
ten
car
trips
per
home
times,
forty
four.
R
You
know,
pigs
I,
know,
there's
a
lot
of
other
people
in
a
rural
area
that
run
warehouses
that
work.
24/7
I
hear
an
anvil
Gong
across
the
street.
From
me,
24/7
there's
some,
you
know
ash
meet,
who
is
doing
interval
work?
How
are
those
people
and
these
McMansions
going
to
be
able
to
deal
with
these
farms
and
agricultural
and
dog
kennels
and
horses
that
are
surrounding
them?
R
There's
gonna
be
conflict
like
you
wouldn't
believe,
and
who's
gonna
be
responsible,
they're
gonna
be
calling
the
tarpon
springs
code
enforcement
that
can't
do
anything
about
us,
because
I
don't
have
a
limit
on
how
many
chickens
or
roosters
I
want
if
I
want
to
have
ten
roosters
and
a
hundred
chickens
I'm
allowed
to
you
guys,
can
have
four
chickens
and
no
roosters
if
you've
applied
for
the
permit.
So
I
really
hope
you
deny
this
because
they're
just
not
compatible
with
the
surrounding
Europe
whatsoever.
Thank
you.
S
My
name
is
Charlie
Smith
I
live
in
2000,
North
Island.
We
ended
up
by
purchasing
ten
acres
of
the
McAlpin
property
that
isn't
directly
west
of
the
proposed
subdivision
and
I
just
want
to
make
opposition
to
the
current
proposed
subdivision
of
forty
four
homes
per
43
acres.
Neither
my
wife,
Renee,
Smith
or
myself
would
approve
that
well,
not
against
having
a
subdivision
there.
That's
that's
their
property,
they
can
put
it
put
in
forty
four
houses
too
much
the
big
issue.
One
of
the
issues
is
the
drainage.
S
What
they
spoke
about
earlier
is
the
west
of
Riverside
Ridge
Road.
It
was
flooded
over
half
of
the
year
this
year
and
you
couldn't
drive
through
it.
If
the
same
thing
happens
to
the
other
end
of
North
Highland
didn't
what
do
we
do,
and
also
with
the
environmental
consideration
as
far
as
the
animals
and
everything
reading
over
their
report,
they
mentioned
nothing
about
the
sandhill
cranes,
which
is
a
federally
protected
species
and
also
a
florida
threatened
species.
That's
not
mentioned
at
all
of
the
report,
and
they
were
only
out
there
in
the
month
of
January.
S
What
about
the
other
11
months
of
the
year,
looking
at
County,
wildlife
or
whatever,
and
then
with
the
additional
44
families
you're?
Looking
at
traffic
issues,
we
already
have
an
issue
of
people
racing
up
and
down
North
Highland,
threatening
me
with
the
car
as
it
had
far
as
I
know.
There
hasn't
been
a
wreck,
that's
just
a
matter
of
time:
people
race
them
up
and
down.
S
So
I
mean
if
it's
not
Tarpon,
Springs
Police
Department
jurisdiction.
If
they're
problem,
why
are
we
giving
them
the
money
with
our
tax
dollars
and
everything
you
know
if
the
antics
with
other
property
and
you're,
adding
the
additional
traffic
up
and
down
that
North,
Highland
and
also
Keystone
and
all
of
that
area?
So
they're,
close
and
I
want
to
thank
the
opportunity
that
we've
had
to
express
our
opinions
and,
like
I
said
earlier,
must
wife
and
myself.
We
both
oppose
the
current
proposed
44
houses.
Please.
T
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
I
live
in
Cyprus
run,
my
name
is
Dan.
Lawrence
I
live
on
one
and
a
quarter
acres
there
I
bought
the
property
because
there
is
no,
regardless
of
what
this
young
lady
saying
about
this
density
I've
never
heard
of
a
third
of
an
acre
in
our
neighborhood
or
anywhere
near
our
neighborhood,
where
you
could
build
a
house
and
so
I
that
I
just
blew
me
away
when
she
said
that
that
is
compatible.
T
It
is
not
compatible
with
with
our
area
the
farmers
and
the
people
that
are
talking
good
grief.
There.
They're
rural
people
they're
not
City
people
who
are
going
to
live
in
these
McMansions
and
the
gentleman
had
said.
There's
going
to
be
some
conflict
boy,
you
just
don't
know,
I
mean
we've
got
coyotes,
we
got
geese.
We
got
everything
in
a
world
making
noise.
If
you
you
know
the
wild
animals
make
a
noise.
That's
one
thing
that
you
put
44
families
with
whatever
else
they
put
in
there.
T
Then
you've
got
some
real
problems
so
and
and
the
four
percent
do
you
just
take
these
things
out
of
a
hat
and
say
all
four
percent
looks
good.
Well,
four
percent,
is
you
had
44
homes
they're
my
kids
catch
a
bus
and
I'm
not
kidding
you,
I
have
kids
even
at
my
age,
they
catch
a
bus
right
there
at
the
corner
of
Cypress
run,
and
there
are
nowhere
near
more
than
four
percent.
You
know
I
think
96%
of
the
traffic,
it
would
add
at
least
half
50
percent
more
traffic.
Now
that's
my
analysis.
Thank
you.
U
The
nine-member
board
of
the
Council
of
North
County,
neighborhoods,
overwhelmingly
unanimously
voted
against
the
annexation
and
development
of
this
property,
as
proposed
in
2012,
the
council
at
state
legislation
passed
preventing
involuntary
annexations.
We
know
this.
One
is
a
voluntary,
so
we
won't
address
that,
but
we
are
strongly
opposed
to
the
development
of
that
forty
three
and
a
half
acres
as
they
propose
it,
and
some
people
prior
to
me
spoke
about
the
21
or
22
homes.
Probably
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
have
the
opposition
you
have
here
today.
U
It
was
approved
and
it's
part
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan
I
would
like
to
provide
the
board
for
consideration
a
copy
of
that,
because
many
of
the
issues
that
were
controlled
by
that
plan
are
being
violated
by
the
development
as
proposed.
I
could
cover
a
lot
of
the
issues.
What
they're
very
specifically
covered
on
quality
of
life,
issues
that
this
community
will
affect
beyond
density
and
all
the
other
flooding
issues
they're
all
covered
in
the
in
the
overlay
and
I
would
like
you
would
please
look
at
this
before
you
make
your
vote.
Thank
you
very
much.
V
H
V
Do
that's
why
my
name
is
Chris
Pennock
or
Christopher
fennec
and
my
wife
is
lark
Robert.
We
are
probably
the
newest
building
residents
on
this
area,
I'm
on
366,
North,
Highland
Avenue
in
Tarpon
Springs,
we
well
I.
Think
all
of
this
is
kind
of
under
is
missing.
The
point
is
I
want
to
say
this.
We
chose
to
move
here
from
Jacksonville
Beach,
very
a
lot
more
density
issues
than
you
do
have
down
here
to
relocate
here
because
of
the
ruralness
of
the
city,
because
it
you
allow
it
to
have
the
wide-open
spaces.
V
V
So
that's
my
issue
of
the
first
part,
so
you've
asked
a
question
about
why
they
don't
want
to
annex
to
this
County
because
the
county
has
stronger
rules.
It
took
my
took
me
three
years
to
build
my
home
and
unincorporated
Pinellas
County.
Then
it
did
to
if
I
would've
been
with
the
tarpon
springs.
They
have
so
many
additional
rules
and
regulations
over
wetlands
and
we
got
and
land
use
in
everything
much
more
intense
than
you
do
have
here.
I'd
also
like
to
address
the
fact
of
the
traffic
at
the
corner
of
North
Highland.
V
It
floods
and
I
mean
it
floods.
It
might
escalate
kids
buried
under
there.
That
is
a
city.
The
issue
the
county
has
been
working
to
fix.
They've
stopped
working
on
that
because
of
this
proposal,
because
the
traffic,
what
I
heard
today,
the
traffic
that
will
be
generated
is
will
be
more
than
what
their
fix
can
handle
septic
systems.
V
My
house
is,
you
know
under
roof,
eight
thousand
square
feet.
I
have
a
huge
septic
system.
You
know
more
than
an
even
when
it
was
smaller
and
for
initial
design
phase.
It
would
not
fit
on
those
proposed
Lots.
So
I
question
that
what
about
if
it
does
flood-
and
this
isn't
fixed
by
the
county?
How
what
is
are
they
proposing
to
fix
the
back
way
to
get
in
there?
V
Because
if
you
can't
get
down
MacArthur
or
no
MacArthur,
but
East
Lake,
because
there's
an
issue
on
the
road
there's
an
accident
or
something
happens,
they
can't
pass.
How
are
they
gonna
get
there?
I
can't
in
Tarpon,
Springs
is
flooded
or
North.
Highlands
is
flooded.
There's
no
other
access
point.
That's
their
protest!
Rian's,
it's
a
great
place
to
walk,
but
you
cannot
get
to
cars
and
pedestrians
on
those
roads
any
one
of
them.
V
The
the
county
plan
is
that
way
for
a
reason,
because
it
wants
to
provide
the
preservation
of
the
open
space
of
the
wildlife
of
the
rural
feeling
if
I
wanted
to
be
on
top
of
a
community
of
houses
right
next
to
me,
I
would
have
bought
in
Trinity.
You
know
you
talked
about
the
open
spaces
involved
with
Cypress
run
and
it's
it's
a
low
density.
It's
also
got
a
huge
Golf
Course
attached
to
it.
So
you
see
deer
running
back
and
forth
of
it.
V
You
see
animals
playing,
you
don't
get
that
I
Drive
home
in
my
driveway
I
had
three
deer.
The
other
night
in
my
lane,
in
my
front
yard,
just
laying
there
I
don't
want
to
drive
any
further
I
want
to
disturb
them.
You're
gonna
lose
that
when
you
add
these
many
houses,
this
much
traffic
I'm
all
for
development.
My
father-in-law
was
one
of
the
founders
of
knockety
I
get
it,
but
I
also
know
what
it
does
to
your
environment
around
you.
V
It
destroys
it
and
you
get
all
these
people,
and
probably
the
youngest
persons
is
here-
and
this
is
what
my
generation
wants.
We
want
to
be
able
to
have
our
cake
and
eat
it
too.
I
mean
we
want
to
be
able
to
work
and
shop,
but
give
our
children
the
chance
to
grow
up
in
wildlife,
because
you
can't
find
that
hardly
anywhere
in
the
state
of
Florida.
Thank
you.
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
bill.
Hickman
I
live
at
10
for
10
49.
Excuse
me,
Royal,
Birkdale,
Drive
in
Cyprus
run
the
residents
of
Cyprus
run
are
concerned
with
this
new
development
and
not
keeping
with
the
low-density
development
of
our
community
and
other
East
Lake
neighbourhoods.
I
am
appealing
to
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
to
the
property
owners
to
consider
that
the
proposed
an
intense
density
will
negatively
affect
the
preservation
areas.
The
wildlife
and
the
traffic
in
this
area.
I
was
on
the
board
of
CNN.
L
The
Council
of
North
County
neighborhood
followed
the
founding
director
mr.
me
Olli,
and
at
that
time
we
spent
many
months
with
North
County
neighborhoods,
the
Pinellas
County
Commission
and
their
staff
and
our
state
legislators
in
putting
in
place
the
East
Lake
overlay.
This
document
provides
density
and
quality
of
life
guidance
for
all
new
developments
in
the
East
Lake
and
North
Lake
area
of
Pinellas.
Incidentally,
the
overlay
boundaries
is
defined
by
the
East
Lake
fart
fire
districts,
map,
which
includes
this
property,
so
it
does
leave
within
it.
L
We're
not
wanting
to
keep
an
owner
from
developing
his
property,
provided
to
keep
it
congruent
and
surround
with
the
surrounding
properties
and
existing
density.
That
would
allow
the
protection
of
the
preservation
areas
and
the
existing
wildlife
that
we
have
there
and
there's
a
lot
around
there
and
lower
traffic
demands
on
our
neighborhood
connector
roads
I
talked
with
the
county,
Transportation
Department
Tom
Washburn,
and
that
isn't
that
Road
was
not
even
built
with
shoulders
that
would
allow
for
driving
off
the
road.
It
is
called
a
feeder
connector
road
for
neighborhoods.
L
This
would
overburden
I
think
this
and
now
a
that,
but
there's
also
some
drainage
problems
on
it,
which
we
discussed
we're
not.
In
short,
we
would
appreciate
any
new
developments
to
adhere
to
the
East
Lake
overlay
density
requirements
of
two
acres
per
unit
or
1/2
acre
1/2
unit
per
acre.
However,
you
want
to
phrase
it
which
would
allow
for
a
beautiful
upscale
private
neighborhood.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
our
residents.
W
My
name
is
Steve
ambrósio
I
live
in
Cypress
run.
I
am
opposed
to
a
large
density
of
two
homes
per
acre
and
I'm.
Looking
at
one
home
per
acre,
which
I
have
no
problem
with,
but
I'm
up
here
to
enlighten
the
staff
and
enlightened
Joe
when
Cypress
Run
was
built,
I
was
a
part
of
it.
I
also
was
a
part
of
the
committee
of
100.
We
helped
to
design
the
Golf
Course
and
I
can
tell
you
right
now.
W
The
Golf
Course
floods,
water
comes
down
from
the
east
through
the
creek
and
soaks
everything,
and
we
cannot
play
on
the
Golf,
Course
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
this
happens.
The
committee
of
100,
in
their
infinite
wisdom,
because
we
are
over
here
and
not
in
Tampa,
decided
that
the
runoff
from
the
Suncoast
Parkway
could
move
west
and
maybe
catch
the
Anclote
and
that's
why
there's
so
much
water
coming
from
the
east
to
the
west
and
the
golf
course.
W
Every
time
the
Antelope
floods
we
flood
and
when
we
flood
North
Highlands
East
Lake,
Road
floods
right
in
front
of
actually
right
in
front
of
the
entrance.
That's
going
to
be
for
North
Bay,
that
is
got
a
shallow
area,
so
the
roads
going
to
have
to
be
lifted
or
it's
going
to
be
a
washout.
There
is
so
many
problems
with
the
Suncoast
parkways
drainage
system
coming
to
the
west
to
catch
the
Anclote
that
if
we
don't
redirect
it
or
have
the
swift
mud,
take
a
look
at
it.
W
H
B
My
name
is
Linda
Fox
and
I
also
live
in
Cyprus
run
and
a
lot
of
different
things.
During
Hurricane,
Emma
50
trees
went
down
in
the
area,
there's
only
going
to
be
one
entrance
and
exit
out
of
North
Lake
Estates.
What
happens
if
a
tree
goes
down
during
a
storm
and
blocks
the
entrance,
and
you
can't
get
emergency
vehicles
in
and
out
I
heard
that
there
was
supposed
to
be
more
than
one
entrance,
but
residents
on
George
Street
fought
it
where's.
B
The
other
proposed
I
did
read
an
article,
a
letter
that
was
written
by
the
fire
chief
asking
for
an
ox
gate
out
onto
Highlands.
I,
don't
see
that
on
the
plans
either.
What
concerns
me
is
that,
once
it's
annexed
into
the
city,
you
said
that
the
very
least
dense
cat
with
the
least
intense,
was
this:
how
dense
could
they
go
once
they
became
annexed
into
the
city
that
concerns
us
forced
annexation.
I
know
that's
not
on
the
agenda
tonight,
but
is
that
a
thing
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
force?
Annexation?
Yes,
sir,
no.
B
The
narrow
roadway
on
East
Lake
Drive,
had
then
it
has
anybody
driven
down
East
Lake
Drive,
to
see
how
narrow
that
is.
Are
you
all
familiar
with
that
road?
No,
when
you
go
over
there's
a
crest.
The
young
kids
like
to
go
flying
over
that
crest
and
there
are
people
walking
to
there
on-
are
no
sidewalks.
So
it
is
a
very
scary
situation
to
be
and
that
roads
going
to
have
to
be
widened
and
sidewalks
definitely
considered
and
a
traffic
light
at
the
end
of
TARP.
B
When
you
come
on
to
tarpon
Avenue,
you
can
only
turn
one
way
and
then
you
have
to
make
a
u-turn.
There's
going
to
be
a
tremendous
amount
of
backup
traffic.
The
intersection
at
East,
Lake,
Drive,
east
Lake,
Road
and
tarpon
Avenue
has
a
lot
of
backup.
Our
private
resident
gate
has
a
very
long
delay.
People
currently
tailgates
through
the
neighborhood.
When
the
gate
closes
on
their
card,
they
drive
away
getsu
guess
who
has
to
pay
for
the
repairs
of
that
gate?
B
The
residents
do
and
that's
only
going
to
get
worse
if
you're
talking
forty
four
houses
at
four
cars.
That's
a
hundred
and
seventy
six
cars
at
five
trips
a
day.
That's
eight
hundred
and
eighty
trips
up
and
down
East
Lake
Road
people
are
going
to
start
cutting
through
the
neighborhoods
they're
gonna
start
cheating
the
system
they're
going
to
start
jumping
the
midian
that
they
do
already
just
please
take
all
that
into
consideration.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
H
X
Ma'am,
thank
you.
Okay,
my
name's
Steve
Williams
I
live
in
Tarpon
Springs,
my
uncle
built
most
of
Riverside
I,
don't
live
in
their
neighborhood,
but
I
do
drive
down
that
road
and
I
can
tell
you,
although
oh
my
god,
it's
so
narrow
when
you
can't
drive
down
it
with
two
people
and
the
there's
people
in
the
street
yeah.
It's
not
that
bad
I'm,
just
kind
of
tired
of
hearing
the
same
thing.
Over
and
over
again,
you
know,
I
got
a
big
truck.
They
said,
they've
got
a
bunch
of
big
trucks.
X
So
while
this
flooding
thing
really
shouldn't
be
a
big
deal,
if
they
have
a
pond,
if
they
have
big
trucks
now,
if
they
have
regular
cars,
it
might
be
now
their
talk
about
flooding
on
one
side
of
Highland.
That's
true
and
there's
always
been
flooding
on
that
part
of
Highland,
but
going
down
East
Lake.
No
there's
never
been
that
much
flooding
and
I
Drive
down
there
every
week.
So
at
the
end
of
the
piece
at
the
end,.
X
X
So
unless
you
have
business
in
that
neighborhood,
you
can't
go
in
at
the
first
place
in
order
to
get
out
the
resident
exit
that
goes
out
onto
McMullen
booth,
you
actually
have
to
have
the
key
card,
so
you
can't
do
that
either
so
Oh
tailgaters,
you
guys
just
spent
the
fortune
to
get
that
gate
redone.
So
you
didn't
fix
the
problem
with
your
tailgaters.
That's
something
that
you
really
ought
to
talk
to
your
board
about.
O
H
O
I
O
Nia
I
live
in
Cypress
run.
That
gentleman
is
not
familiar
at
all
with
the
area
I'm
sorry,
he
has
no
idea
what
he's
talking
about
I
live
there
I
bought
that
house
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
Number
one.
The
wildlife
in
that
area
will
be
destroyed
when
they
come
in
and
they
do.
This
I
understand
that
the
development
has
to
take
place
at
some
level,
but
the
development
needs
to
be
at
the
22
houses,
not
44.
That
area
cannot
withstand
that
extra
traffic.
O
The
animals
and
those
in
that
area
that
everyone
seems
to
seem
to
be
forgetting
about,
will
have
nowhere
left
to
go
they're
not
looking
at
the
preservation
whatsoever.
They
have
only
have
one
exit
out
of
there
and,
quite
frankly,
that
road
is
dangerous.
I,
myself,
Drive,
a
very
large
vehicle,
which
is
a
very
large
Jeep
and,
quite
frankly,
I
can't
drive
down
Highland
I'm
in
a
jeep
that
goes
for
wheeling
and
I
can't
drive
down
Highland
90%
of
the
year,
because
it
is
flooded
right
in
front
of
his
house.
O
O
Well,
you
can't
see
people
coming
over
that
they
if
they
are
going
to
do
this
development,
they
need
to
widen
the
road,
they
need
the
sidewalks
and
they
need
two
exits
out
of
that
area
and
they
need
to
fix
the
flooding
off
a
Highland
so
that
there's
other
ways
out
the
gentleman
that
just
spoke.
He
does
not
know
what
he's
talking
about
very
clearly
and
I.
Think
that
that's
enough!
Thank
you.
H
Anyone
else
wishing
to
speak
if
we
could
just
limit
it
to
things
that
haven't
already
been
talked
about.
I
think
we've
addressed
traffic,
storm
water,
flooding
limited
to
things.
We
haven't
already
discussed
right
hand.
If
you
could
do
you
swear
from
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
us
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Yes,.
H
P
Now
the
Swale
that
goes
along
Highland
Avenue
is
on
my
property.
It's
100%,
my
property
and
the
two
concrete
sluice
pipes
that
he's
talking
about.
Yes,
they're
there
they've
never
worked
properly.
The
county
came
along
about
five
years
ago
and
drug
dredged
that
ditch
out
they
dug
the
whole,
ditch
down
below
the
level
of
the
concrete
swales.
So
we
have
two
lakes
to
form
down
through
there
and
it
doesn't
drain.
My
wife
and
I
want
to
develop
the
property
down
along
Highland
Avenue.
P
We
want
to
clear
out
under
the
power
lines
we
want
to
plant
some
kind
of
crops.
We
were
talking.
We've
got
over
250
pineapple
plants
that
we
want
to
plant
down
through
there.
I
want
to
guarantee
that
this
development
is
not
going
to
increase
the
saturation
level
of
that
property
to
the
point
to
where
I
can't
use
it.
Something
has
to
be
done.
These
swales
have
to
be
dug
out.
Something
has
to
be
built
down
through
there
so
before
any
approval.
P
I
would
ask
that
you
delay
your
approval
until
somebody
gives
me
a
report
guaranteeing
that
my
property
is
not
going
to
increase
in
water
level
because
I'm
the
water
stops
there.
My
part
pretty
when
hits
Highland
Avenue
I,
surely
don't
want
to
see
it
go
up,
and
over
Highland,
Avenue
and
I
have
seen
the
floods
in
the
entrance
of
North
Lake
estates
I
have
seen
the
the
water
its
flood.
P
P
There
used
to
be
a
natural
flow
of
water
somewhere
because
it
there's
also
a
kind
of
a
flow
that
goes
down
through
our
property
and
out
the
back
through
our
chicken
coops,
because
we
get
the
flow
down
through
there.
Our
driveway
is
sitting
on
the
natural
flow,
so
that's
my
concern
and
and
I
would
just
ask
that
you
consider
that
something
has
to
be
looked
at
an
engineering
survey
or
something
to
guarantee
that
if
you
approve
this
project
that
this
is
not
going
to
flood
my
property.
H
Anyone
else
wishing
to
speak
for
or
against
this
up
these
applications
speak
now
or
forever
hold
your
peace.
Is
it
anything
new,
the
other
than
what
we
haven't
heard?
Okay
approach,
the
podium,
so
I
could
swear
you
in
as
well,
and
then
state
your
name
and
your
address
for
the
record.
Do
you
swear
affirm
that
the
testimony
you
are
about
to
give
us
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing?
But
the
truth?
Yes,.
Y
605,
st.
Andrews
I
live
in
Cyprus
front.
My
concern
is
the
attorney
for
the
developer
said
that
they
were
judging
by
the
25
to
100
year
flood
plain
well,
we
are
currently
not
in
the
25
to
100
year
flooding
any
longer.
We
are
approaching
into
the
500
year
flood.
What
is
the
proposal
that
they
plan
to
make
for
that?
We're
not
getting
less
water
we're
getting
more
water?
That's
my
only
question
that
needs
to
be
considered.
Y
H
F
E
I
have
a
question
specifically
in
regards
to
the
public
services
that
were
approved
by
the
application.
I
was
unaware
that,
like
others,
that
septic
systems
will
sterile
part
of
normal
construction
process,
so
is
it
true
that
this
development
would
not
have
a
pressurized
or
a
sewer
system
and
that
all
of
the
homes
will
be
on
septic
systems?
That's.
E
If
I
can
take
that
just
one
step
further,
it's
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
question
necessarily,
but
as
I
understand
it,
all
the
state
agencies
strongly
are
trying
to
move
away
from
septic
systems.
In
fact,
as
on
the
board
of
code
enforcement,
we
were
pushing
pretty
hard
for
people
to
convert
when
it
was
possible.
F
F
M
E
E
H
E
There
was
also
a
comment
in
regards
to
accessory
buildings,
disclaimer
I'm
in
the
construction,
business
and
and
certain
plan
unit
developments
for
bid
accessory
buildings,
and
there
seem
to
be
some
concern
in
the
audience
in
regards.
Would
the
owners,
the
prospective
owners
of
the
properties
be
able
to
build
accessory
buildings
as
part
of
yes.
F
F
If
you
look
at
page
six
of
the
development
agreement,
which
is
an
exhibit
of
the
resolution,
you'll
see
that
they
are
proposed
to
be
restricted
to
use
by
the
owner,
they
can't
be
rented
out
and
they
can't
be
separately
addressed,
which
would
prevent
in
any
future.
You
two
separate
utilities
or
anything
like
that
that
will
be
required
when
they
come
back.
This
project
will
come
back
for
final
plan
development
in
subdivision,
so
all
those
details
will
have
to
be
in
the
project
when
it
comes
back,
but
that
is
included
in
the
development
agreement.
E
F
As
far
as
existing
planned
developments,
I
can't
come
up
with
one
right
now
that
requested
and
has
accessory
units
most
of
the
plant
developments
in
the
city.
We
really
haven't
had
a
recent
one,
so
most
of
them
are
a
few
years
old,
but
it's
something
that
they
can
request,
and
this
is
does
happen-
a
development
agreement
associated
with
it.
So
it
is
something
that
they
can
request
through.
That
mechanism.
H
E
In
regards
to
public
services,
if
it
were
to
be
an
X
is
the
part
part
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
I
did
see
a
notation
that
actually
the
public
services
would
be
supplied
by
the
county.
So,
as
I
understand
it,
we,
the
city
of
Turpan
screens,
would
not
be
providing
water
or
sewer.
Where
is
that
delineation
and
again,
we
had
a
comment
from
the
audience
that.
E
F
F
The
roads
are
the
the
proposed
roads
that
will
need
to
be
decided
in
the
final
planned
development.
Part
of
that
is
once
the
stormwater
system
and
the
stormwater
handling
for
the
road
is
worked
out.
That
will
be
decided
at
that
time
whether
the
city
would
take
those
roads
or
not.
It's
up
to
the
city
and
the
Public
Works,
whether
they
want
would
agree
to
take
those
roads,
so
that
would
be
decided
at
that
point.
F
Solid
waste
would
be
served
by
the
city
law
enforcement
would
be
served
by
the
city.
Of
course,
the
development
will
have
access
to
and
we'll
be
paying
in
back
fees
for
all
the
other
services
for
the
city,
recreation,
public,
buildings,
libraries,
those
types
of
things,
so
the
only
County
services
are
potable
water
and
fire.
At
this
point,.
E
E
H
H
H
Just
here
to
advise
the
board
on
the
law,
they
ultimately
make
the
decision.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
that
that
you're
talking
two
different
things,
you're
talking
about
the
development
agreement
and
then
you're
talking
about
the
annexation,
there's
two
separate
applications,
so
there
are
criteria
for
the
annexation.
What
services
you're
saying
whether
or
not
down
the
road
those
roads
are
going
to
be
serviced
or
whatnot.
The
evidence
that
is
presented
as
it
applies
to
the
annexation
criteria.
H
That
is
all
your
to
consider
as
far
as
the
development
agreement
that
is
separate,
and
apart
from
that
and
that's
a
legislative
document,
you
can
consider
whatever
as
far
as
the
development
agreement,
but
you
have
to
consider
whether
or
not
it's
jives
with
the
land
development
code
and
whether
it
drives
with
the
the
comprehensive
plan
and
they
are
forced
to
abide
if
the
development
agreement
is
approved.
Of
course,
they
are
forced
to
abide
by
all
city
county
and
state
wide
laws
and
ordinances
and
regulations.
So.
G
H
E
H
E
E
G
G
E
M
H
Impact
of
property
in
question
upon
public
facilities
and
the
ability
of
the
city
to
serve
the
property
in
question,
with
public
Silla
DS
upon
annexation.
The
evidence
that's
been
presented
here
today
shows
that
there's
not
going
to
be
an
impact
on
the
public
facilities.
It
doesn't
look
like
there's
a
lot
that
that
tarpon
springs
will
be
providing
to
this
parcel
property
and.
H
There
may
have
been
evidence
that
contradicts
that
that's
up
to
this
board
to
make
that
determination,
but
you
are
bound
by
the
criteria
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
criteria
you're
bound
by
the
evidence
to
determine
whether
it
meets
the
criteria
to
annex
--an
or
not.
It's
not
whether
it's
in
the
best
interests
of
the
city
or
not
it's
whether
it
meets
the
criteria.
I
know
that
sounds
convoluted.
E
F
Preliminary
plan
development
that
you're
look
at
this
evening
and
the
development
agreement,
both
while
the
development
agreements
estates
outright
and
the
nature
of
the
preliminary
planned
development
process,
is
that
the
layout
they're
presenting
tonight
cannot
change
substantially.
So
so
they've
got
to
go
with
what
they've
got
presented
here
tonight.
If
they
want
to
change
it,
it
would
have
to
come
back
through
the
process.
Thank.
N
Very
briefly,
we
heard
a
lot
of
passionate
comments
tonight
about
the
existing
conditions.
There's
an
existing
flooding,
there's
existing
issues
with
traffic,
there's
more
existing
flooding
and
storm
water,
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
just
the
most
basic
part
of
development
is
that
existing
conditions
can't
be
exacerbated
by
new
development.
They
have
to
be
mitigated
by
new
development
and
there's
a
variety
of
ways
to
do
that.
N
N
Why
there's
a
restrictive
covenant
required
that
in
the
event
these
Lots
are
approved,
as
is
there
they're
close
to
300
feet
deep,
sometimes
more
than
300
and
feet
deep
and
so
has
a
builder.
The
developer
is
saying
instead
of
having
a
longer
skinny
house,
perhaps
somebody
would
want
a
pool
house
or
have
something
else
with
a
separate
bedroom,
and
so
they
want
to
have
that
opportunity
for
familiar
relations,
which
is
exactly
what
the
agreement
restricts
it
to
be,
not
an
increase
significantly.
N
And
regulated
by
the
Florida,
Administrative
Code,
and
so
just
as
any
homeowner
who
would
seek
to
have
septic
service,
they
would
have
to
get
permitted
by
individual
a
lot
and
go
through
that
process
with
the
state.
So
with
that,
we
understand
that
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
have
said
that
you
know
it's
interesting.
Everybody
seems
fine
with
22
units,
but
not
44,
but
whether
it's
22
or
44,
the
flood
the
roads
are,
are
there.
N
Other
comments
are
still
the
same,
so
that
logic
isn't
quite
congruent,
because
what
the
bottom
line
is
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
The
residential
very
low
is
the
least
intense
designation.
The
lot
size
is
specific
to
the
fact
of
trying
to
cluster
these
homes
and
have
the
least
environmental
and
wetland
impacts
possible,
and
so
the
ability
to
annex
this
property
and
then
develop
it
consistent
with
city
code
is
exactly
what
the
developer
is
requesting
of
this
board
to
recommend
approval.
Thank
you.
A
A
H
Right
any
board
discussion
and
remember:
you
have
four
applications
before
you,
so
there
will
be
four
different
motions,
four
different
determinations
that
will
need
to
be
made,
but
we
can
have
some
general
discussion
at
the
outset
and
it
has
to
be
public
discussion.
We
are
in
the
sunshine.
This
is
a
public
board.
J
J
J
H
So
and
I'm
only
repeating
the
evidence
that
has
been
presented
because
that's
all
you're
to
consider
for
the
applications,
but
the
evidence
that
was
presented
was
that
there
still
has
to
be
permitting
through
swift
mud.
There
still
has
to
be
drainage
plans
and
everything
drawn
they
still
have
to
meet
with
the
drainage
code
and
everything
here
in
the
city
of
Turpan
Springs
as
well.
So
none
of
the
drainage
or
site
plans
are
before
you,
but
with
any
new
development
you
have
to
have
it
drainage,
internal
to
the
property.
H
It
can't
go
on
to
outside
properties
and
that's
regulated
through
Swift
mud
along
with
other
agencies.
So
they
have
to
go
through
seven
different
agencies
before
that
will
ever
come
back
before
this
board.
If
any
of
these
are
recommended
to
the
board
and
then
passed
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
later
on,
so
that's
not
really,
you
know
it.
H
That's
the
only
evidence
that
I
have
to
present
to
you
this
evening
is
that
there,
the
drainage
plan
or
not
me
to
present
to
you,
but
that
that's
been
presented
this
evening
as
a
drainage
plan
relative
to
the
property,
is
going
to
have
to
be
developed
and
it's
going
out
to
be
a
rigorous.
What's
currently,
the
conditions
on
these
properties
is
currently
the
conditions
on
these
properties
doesn't
really
have
to
do
with
the
applications
that
are
before
you
does
that
make
sense.
E
It's
a
discussion
like
we
have
the
drainage
plan
right,
yeah
like
in
color
copy
and
okay
and
I'll.
Just
this
is
just
for
a
discussion,
the
same
issue:
that's
on
Highland
Avenue
to
the
west.
There
were
two
homes
recently
permitted
in
built,
which
is
obviously
was
a
ditch
of
some
type,
and
that's
why
there's
flooding
there
now
and
they
were
approved
and
they
were
built.
E
They
probably
have
septic
systems,
and
so
the
idea
that
it's
mitigated
is
all
within
well,
that
is
true,
except
that
they
don't
study
what's
outside
of
it
to
a
limited
degree,
because
we
have
someone
that
just
came
to
us
and
said:
hey,
that's
not
how
it
works.
In
addition,
all
this
point
out
just
an
accessory
back
when.
H
E
H
E
So
I
might
discuss
this
item
right
here,
which
is
what
they
call
the
environmental
considerations
report
well
I
happen
to
be
friendly
with
this
entire
area
and
I
know
for
a
fact
that,
as
another
person
mentioned,
is
that
the
sandhill
cranes
in
the
wild
turkeys
that
produce
this
property
I,
don't
even
mentioned
on
this
report.
I
looked
real
careful
for
that.
E
So
and
that's
just
ancillary
to
the
fact
that
hey
we've
got
some
folks
to
say
that
there's
a
bunch
of
flooding
outside
of
it
now
when
this
fine
gentleman
probably
did
an
incredible
job
and
knows
exactly
what
it's
doing
in
the
property,
everything
might
be
perfect.
But
and
that's
why
we're
here
chit-chatting
about
it.
G
G
F
If
staff
could
be
recognized,
one
thing
that
might
help
we
have
four
items
before
us:
the
plant
preliminary
plan
development
and
it
is
preliminary-
that's
why
you
don't
see
all
the
detail
on
the
drainage
and
all
those.
If
you
want
to
suggest
additional
conditions
than
the
seven
that
we
have
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
you
can
do
that
just
a
suggestion.
I
mean,
although
details
have
to
be
met.
The
final
plan
development
is
really
like
the
site
plans
that
you
guys
see
all
that
detail
is
there.
E
E
H
E
H
Motion
fails,
relax.
Excuse
me,
I'm
gonna,
ask
one
more
time
for
civility
purposes.
This
is
a
public
meeting
of
a
public
body.
I
know
y'all
are
getting
excited,
but
if
we
could
hold
all
of
the
excitement
until
the
end.
Thank
you.
Then.
The
motion
fails
for
lack
of
a
second.
Is
there
another
motion
to
be
presented
and
again
there
does
need
to
be
a
motion.
You
need
to
present
a
recommendation
one
way
or
the
other
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
I'll
make
a
motion.
Well,
you
have
the
gavel,
so
you
know
I.
E
H
G
E
J
E
E
E
So
if
we
were
to
want
to
make
that
suggestion,
it
would
be
done
at
application,
1852,
correct,
okay
and
currently
we're
looking
for
a
motion
on
application.
One
eat
5,
1
crap.
Do
we
have
a
motion.
H
H
E
A
D
E
F
For
your
consideration,
some
worrying,
such
as
recommending
consult
consultation
with
Pinellas
County
potential
drainage
issues
adjacent
to
this
property.
They
they
won't
be
able
I
mean
the
applicant
will
not
be
able
to
to
directly
address
off
a
property
drainage.
They
will
have
to
connect
to
East
Lake
Road,
for
example,
so
they're
already
going
to
have
to
coordinate
with
Pinellas
County.
G
G
D
D
E
F
M
H
H
F
F
Okay,
this
is
a
request
by
the
city
proposed
text,
amendment
to
the
land
development
code,
addressing
the
section
of
our
code,
that
requires
studies
for
hurricane
shelter,
impacts
for
new
development,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
outdated
items
in
that
section
of
code
that
have
come
to
light
recently.
The
first
is
the
code
requires
this
study
to
be
done
for
developments
that
have
to
evacuate
for
a
category
3
or
higher
storm.
F
Well,
as
those
of
us
who
all
live
here
now,
the
evacuation
goes
by
the
Pinellas
County
zones,
not
by
the
category
of
the
storm
that
might
be
approaching,
so
that
is
outdated
and
it's
proposed
to
be
changed
to
Pinellas
County
evacuation
zone,
a
B
or
C,
and
if
you're
in
those
areas,
you
would
be
required
to
do
this
shelter
study
now
I
did
confirm
with
Pinellas
County
that
that
does
correspond
pretty
closely
with
what
what
the
category
three
would
have
covered
and
apparently
I
did
check
with
with
previous
staff
and
that's
how
they
were
interpreting
it.
F
But
the
change
really
needs
to
be
made
to
go
to
those
evacuation
zones
and
then
the
other
item
that's
outdated.
Is
the
the
use
of
the
population
percentage
that
would
use
local
shelters?
There's
a
25%
number
in
there,
rather
than
trying
to
research
and
change?
That
number
staff
is
leaving
that
and
suggesting
that
we
add
the
provision
for
the
applicant
to
be
able
to
document.
F
The
studies
that
are
accepted
generally
accepted
what
the
population
level
would
be,
that
would
use
local
shelters
and
what
the
persons
per
household
would
be
that
are
evacuating.
The
regional
planning
councils
have
been
doing
these
evacuation
studies
periodically
over
the
years,
so
they
are
doing
those
on
a
regular
basis
and
there
is
always
new
data
coming
out
based
on.
So
that's
the
requested
change
to
that
section
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
change.