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This
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
where
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
acts
in
a
quasi
judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity.
How
did
quasi
judicial
hearing?
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
G
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
fight
against
the
applicant.
G
G
A
H
Yes,
good
evening,
this
is
a
conditional
use
and
site
plan
approval
for
a
proposed
permanent
parking
lot
on
the
north
side
of
Hill
Street,
it's
located
behind
an
existing
single-family
residence
on
Hope
Street
on
on
vacant
existing
vacant
property.
This
was
proposed
as
a
permanent
surface
parking
lot
on
the
property,
and
the
lot
includes
a
total
of
nine
spaces,
including
one
handicapped,
accessible
space.
The
lot
would
be
taken.
The
lot
access
would
be
taken
entirely
from
hill
street.
H
There
is
no
access
proposed
from
the
alley,
and
this
is
located
in
the
t5c
transect
district,
which
is
the
Dodecanese
Avenue
Main
Street,
and
this
district
allows
surface
parking
lots
subject
to
a
conditional
use
approval
with
respect
to
your
standards
for
review.
The
proposed
design
complies
with
the
t5c
district
and
the
land
development
code
and
number
two.
This
is
located
within
the
Sponge
Docks
character,
district
of
the
special
area
plan,
and
this
is
an
area
and
encourages
activity.
It's
Torah
standard
oriented,
mostly
commercial
uses.
H
There
are
also
multiple
private
parking
lots
in
this
area
to
accommodate
tourists.
Number
three:
this
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
Number
four:
this
project
is
not
within
a
historic
district
and
it's
not
in
an
environmentally
sensitive
area.
With
respect
to
number
five,
this
use
should
not
adversely
affect
the
joining
property.
Values
should
support
local
businesses
and
area
businesses
and
the
tourist
oriented
activity
at
the
docks
by
providing
additional
parking
that
is
safe
and
convenient
for
the
public.
H
With
respect
to
number
six,
this
project
already
has
some
city,
water
and
sewer
and
facilities
serving
the
or
installed
in
the
area.
So
this
will
not
require
extension
of
public
facilities
and
again
the
use
carries
out
the
purpose
of
the
district.
It
will
not
adversely
affect
growth
patterns
in
the
city.
H
H
The
TRC
did
the
technical
route
city's
technical
review
committee
did
review
this
project
on
December
5th,
2019
and
recommended
it
be
forwarded
to
this
board
for
review.
They
were
notices
sent
to
owners
within
500
feet
at
the
property
staff,
received
one
written
response
to
the
notices
that
is
in
your
packet
and
the
response
is
in
your
packet
and
we've
addressed
the
concern
with
in
the
conditions,
staff
recommends
approval
of
applications.
H
Nineteen
109
nineteen
110
and
resolution
2025
requesting
a
conditional
use
and
associated
cycling
to
allow
for
establishment
of
a
surface
parking
lot
on
0.15
of
acres
of
land
located
on
the
north
side
of
Hill
Street
in
the
t5c
transect
district
with
the
following
conditions.
An
engineer's
certification
of
the
existing
retaining
wall
in
the
north
side
of
the
property
shall
be
submitted
attesting
to
the
wall.
Structural
integrity
to
support
the
existing
fill
and
proposed
permanent
parking
lot
use.
I
will.
G
H
E
H
E
H
E
H
E
E
H
In
fact,
as
this
did
come
back
to
TRC,
the
original
proposal
was
to
park
on
grass
with
no
no
solid
surface
to
prevent
erosion
and
staff
required
some
subsurface.
There
was
mulch
proposed
and
different
things.
We
required
a
service
that
would
retain
that
that
soil
there
and
support
vehicles
and
the
applicants
proposed
to
geotextile
the
applicants
engineers
here,
and
he
can
explain
a
little
more
about
how
that
works.
If
you're
interested
it's.
D
C
Hi
I'm
Brett,
krasna
and
I'm
the
engineer.
What
we're
actually
proposing
is
called
a
Geo
web
system.
It's
a
plastic
system,
it
just
kind
of
stretches
out.
We
put
it
down,
we
fill
it
back
with
dirt,
put
grass
on
top
of
it,
there'll
be
no
rutting,
it
can
hold
a
fire
truck,
it's
very
solid,
very
stable
and
as
far
as
the
wall,
this
wall
is
three
foot
on
to
my
clients,
property.
The
top
of
the
wall
is
6.9.
C
The
bottom
of
the
ball
is
six
point:
two
one
that's
0.7
feet,
which
is
that
much
so
to
put
it
in
real
terms.
The
wall
is
this
high
there's
three
feet
from
the
wall
to
the
property
line.
We
could
get
rid
of
the
wall
and
feather
it
out
to
the
property
line
easily
enough,
so
the
wall
issue
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
understand.
That's
not
really
an
issue
at
all
other
than
that.
Any
questions
for
me.
F
C
C
A
G
I
I
Name
is
Michael
a
homeless
I've
at
1504,
Riverside,
Drive
I'm,
one
of
the
owners
of
the
property
located
to
the
north
of
the
subject:
applicants
property.
The
only
thing
that
separates
me
from
being
contiguous
is
the
city
has
a
10-foot
alley.
Okay,
now
I
have
no
objection
to
him,
putting
a
parking
lot
in
there
and
if
he
wants
to
do
it
without
without
asphalting,
it
I
don't
care
if
he
does
asphalt.
I
It
I'm
I'm
only
here,
because
his
property
slopes
and
sheets
to
his
North
Hill
comes
down
from
south
to
north
and
the
lowest
part
is
his
north
west
corner.
If
you
look
at
the
picture,
number
three
you'll
see
that
there's
a
retaining
wall
now,
as
far
as
the
looks
of
it
I'm,
not
even
complaining
about
that.
It's
just
that
that
retaining
wall
has
been
removed,
the
last
40
or
50
feet,
and
that's
the
40
or
50
feet
that
is
the
northern
border
of
this
applicant,
and
it's
not
the
water
that
comes
down.
I
I
Retaining
wall
and
that's
all
I'm,
not
gonna,
be
paved
so
it'll
be
just
continuously
dirt
comes
down
and
we
clean
this
on
a
daily
basis,
not
so
much
myself
because
in
duel,
but
my
brother,
my
brother
has
the
parking
lot
and
he's
here.
He
could
answer
any
questions.
It's
the
dirt
that
falls
over
and
when
you
say
that
this
is
going
to
be
entrance
and
exit
is
going
to
be
for
male
street,
which
is
from
the
south,
that's
nice.
It
could
be
from
the
alley
as
well.
I
If
this
retaining
wall
was
retaining
the
dirt,
it's
not
retaining
the
dirt,
and
it's
also
not
good
for
the
customers.
But
that's
the
customers
willing
to
jump
the
jump.
The
foundation
of
that
retaining
wall
is
still
there
on
the
last
50
feet.
It
runs
all
length
I
like
for
him
to
put
that
back
up
so
that,
whether
its
water
or
dirt,
it
doesn't
end
up
in
the
alley
and
then
end
up
in
my
property
and
since
we're
doing
a
parking
lot
at
this
time.
I
As
far
as
the
safety
and
the
aesthetics
you
judge
for
yourself,
you
got
the
pictures
right
in
front
of
you.
I
don't
want
to
tell
a
man
what
to
do
with
his
property,
but
it
doesn't
look
too
safe
or
aesthetically
because
it
isn't
going
to
be
long.
You
all
have
meetings
here
about
signs
outside
and
the
aesthetics
and
everything
and
where
you're
going.
I
Back
now
that
your
parking
heavy
cars
and
they're
parked
pretty
close
to
that
retaining
wall,
you
can
notice
in
the
pictures,
and
so
that's
that's
that's
the
major
complaint
and
my
brother
can
only
speak
about
moving
in
the
dirt.
The
dirt
happens
every
other
day.
It
happens
every
day,
even
if
it
doesn't
rain
sometime
because
nothing's
holding
it
from
falling
down.
I
E
C
We
report
it
we're
putting
a
curb
around
the
south
and
west
side
of
the
parking
area,
so
that'll
be
six
inches
high,
so
anything
running
down
will
be
caught
by
that
curb
any
water
would
percolate
in
before
it
sheet
flowed
off
the
property,
but
the
property
duck.
The
property
is
going
downhill
and
the
law
states
that
you
can't
stop
water.
That
goes
there
in
the
precondition
from
the
post
condition.
So
the
water
is
supposed
to
go
there,
but
yeah
the
curb
around
the
parking
will
collect
anything.
That's
coming
down.
There's
we
have.
C
E
I
E
Believe
the
engineers
responses
are
appropriate
with
regard
to
mr.
Hulett.
This
concern,
you
know,
I
know
it's
hard
to
stop
dirt
when
it
rains
and-
and
you
know
the
hope
is
that,
with
the
the
system
that
is
put
in
the
for
my
understanding,
there
will
be
a
some
type
of
system
with
dirt
on
top,
so
it
will
be
less
dirt
because
you
have
to
you,
you
have
to
be
able
to
have
vehicles
on
top
of
that
and
not
to
create
a
rut,
rutting
system
or
ruts.
So
my
my
belief
is
that
mr.
E
D
A
H
H
This
is
located
at
609,
Hope
Street,
just
near
the
one
we
just
looked
at
it's
an
existing
single-family
residence
I'm
trying
to
cross
the
street
there
from
the
hill
house
parking
lot
on
Hope
Street.
With
respect
to
your
standards
for
review
the
again.
This
is
a
single-family
residence.
It
does
include
sufficient
access
and
parking
for
a
single-family
residence,
which
is
what
is
required
here.
The
Technical
Review
Committee
did
review
this
project
on
at
their
December
19th
2019
meeting
and
it
complies
with
the
land
development
code
item
2.
H
This
is
again
in
the
Sponge
Docks
character,
district
of
the
city.
So
that's
an
area
of
tourist
activity,
mixie
fuses,
mostly
commercial,
there's,
a
single
phone
family
residence
just
to
the
north
of
this
one
there's.
Basically,
what
has
been
an
institutional
building
just
to
the
south,
so
there's
a
mix
there
of
uses.
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
It's
not
located
in
a
historic
district
or
on
an
environmentally
sensitive
site.
H
H
This
residence
has
already
served
by
public
facilities,
so
there's
no
impact,
no
new
impact
on
public
facilities,
and
this
project
will
promote
the
efficient
and
orderly
development
of
that
Sponge,
Docks
character,
district
and
won't
adversely
affect
the
city's
growth
patterns.
This
was
properly
noticed
and
there
were
no
responses
received
to
the
notices
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
project
with
the
following
conditions.
The
property
shall
remain
a
single-family
residence
when
it
as
a
single
living
unit
number
two.
H
The
building
shall
be
maintained
with
the
following
one
smoke:
detector
in
each
sleeping
area:
one
smoke
detector
in
the
common
hall,
a
paries
smoke
detectors
of
the
10-year,
lit
lithium
battery
style
and
a
fire
extinguisher
having
annual
inspections
and
condition.
Number
three
would
be
that
the
applicant
obtain
a
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
business
tax
receipt
for
this
use.
Are
there
any
questions.
D
J
Yes,
Lois
Serna
presenting
staff
comments
this
evening.
The
primary
purpose
of
this
draft
ordinance
is
to
address
needed
changes
in
response
to
a
2015
decision
of
the
US
Supreme
Court,
and
the
decision
primarily
affected.
The
regulation
of
signed
content
on
how
communities
can
regulate
signs
based
on
content.
J
So
a
majority
of
the
changes
in
this
ordinance
there's
a
lot
of
changes,
but
a
majority
of
them
are
addressing
that
an
issue
of
signed
content
in
regard
to
that
the
2015
decision
we've
attached,
the
draft
ordinance
I,
didn't
explain
in
the
report,
but
the
ordinance
has
both
read
text
and
blue
text
and
the
red
text.
Our
initial
changes
that
were
made
to
the
ordinance,
primarily
in
response
to
that
Supreme
Court
decision.
The
blue
text
came
later
as
a
result
of
two
workshops
held
by
the
Commission
on
June,
18th
and
September
30th
of
last
year.
J
So
that's
what
the
colors
mean
as
I
indicated.
The
lot
of
it
is
in
regard
to
sign
content
and
how
that's
regulated
and
defined
there.
Every
time
you
open
up
sign
regulations.
There
are
always
additional
issues
that
come
up
and
we've
attempted
to
summarize
them
and
six
other
points
in
the
staff
report.
I
did
want
to
point
out,
you
know,
and
we
made
this.
We
have
this
discussion
with
the
Commission
at
the
workshops
that
approving
this
or
denying
it,
whichever
direction
they
want
to
go
in
does
not
mean
well.
J
If
they
approve
this
ordinance,
it
does
not
mean
that
the
community
can't
come
back
at
a
later
date
and
address
sign.
So
we
understand
there.
There
was
always
a
lot
of
issues
and
a
lot
of
discussion
and
a
lot
of
updating.
Frankly,
that
needs
to
be
window
and
door
signs.
This
appears
on
page
42
of
the
ordinance,
but
basically
it's
a
new
regulation
that
allows
the
regulation
of
sign
of
windows,
window
and
door
signs.
J
There
was
not
a
regulation
previously
and
now
there
is,
and
it
basically
allows
these
signs,
based
on
a
percentage
of
your
total
window
or
door
sign
area.
So
again,
this
is
something
that
primarily
was
driven
by
staff.
That
is
something
that
is
a
frequent
request,
and
now
we
can
address
it
in
the
in
the
ordinance.
The
third
item
there.
The
third
point
is
pole:
banners.
This
is
allowing
signs
up
to
12
square
feet
it.
This
appears
on
page
40
to
allow
signage
placed
on
light
pole
that
are
not.
These
are
not.
J
These
are
not
light
poles
located
within
the
rights
of
way,
but
these
are
within
parking,
lots
and
thinking
of
Advent
health
and
that,
as
an
example
of
the
pole,
signs
that
they
currently
have.
But
again,
this
is
something
not
related
to
content,
but
it's
something
that
was
recognized
as
a
deficiency
in
the
ordinance
that
we've
added
item
number
4
bus
bench
signs.
This
appears
on
pages
43
and
page
49.
This
was
a
recommendation
of
the
commissioners
at
the
workshops.
Basically
item
section
180
1.03
that
should
be
subsection
d,
but
basically
it
would
prohibit
these.
J
These
sorts
of
the
bus
bench
signs
basically
and
then
section
180
5.03
established
as
a
time
for
the
removal
which
is
January
1st
of
2026.
So
this
is
a
major
change
that
that's
included
in
the
ordinance
prohibiting
these
signs
and
establishing
a
time
frame
for
their
removal
item,
5,
Pole
and
monument
signs
pages,
56
and
57
of
the
ordinance.
J
Basically,
the
discussion
of
the
Commission
was
to
prohibit
pole
signs,
but
we
through
the
discussion,
this
came
up
with
the
system
to
incentivize
monument
signs
by
allowing
them
to
be
taller
monument
signs
that
has
to
be
taller
and
have
greater
sign
area.
So
a
different
way
of
regulating
those
sorts
of
signs
item
6
deals
with
wall
sign.
J
This
was
the
change.
There
is
a
recommendation
from
staff
based
on
a
common
problem
that
occurs
with
these
wall
signs.
Currently,
the
current
code
limits
you
to
one
single
wall
sign
the
change
strikes
the
word
one
so
basically
allows
businesses
to
have
more
than
one
wall
son,
but
the
sign
area
stays
the
same.
So
basically
it's
not
going
to
be.
J
It's
not
gonna
have
a
tremendous
impact
because
it's
not
affecting
area
but
allows
flexibility
to
form
multiple
to
allow
multiple
wall
signs,
and
this
is
particularly
an
issue
when
you
have
multiple
buildings
with
a
single
business
and
then
finally
item
number
seven,
the
a-frame
sandwich
board
signs.
This
was
a
recommendation
of
the
Commission
to
allow
them
to
require
some
standards
with
those
and
namely-
and
this
is
on
page
sixty
four
to
require
that
these
signs
be
composed
of
chalkboard
type
material
capable
of
being
written
on
with
chalk.
J
We
did
receive
some
public
comments
which
were
distributed
as
a
part
of
what
you
have
this
evening.
Just
in
summary,
that
seems
like
the
comments
there
were,
particularly
concerning
the
prohibition
of
bus
bench
signs
and
the
requirement
of
that,
the
a-frame
signs
be
the
chalkboard
material
against
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
ordinance,
20
2006,
based
on
the
needed
updates
to
the
ordinance,
and
with
that
we'd,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
E
You
say
this:
this:
the
changes
to
the
side
ordinance
were
as
a
result
of
a
Supreme
Court
ruling.
Yes,
okay,
so
with
three.
So
all
these
changes
there
are
significant
changes
in
here.
These
are
all
related
to
the
Supreme
Court
or
you
decided
we're
going
to
clean
up
the
sign
ordinance.
So
it's
we've
got
to
do
this.
Anyways
yeah.
J
The
primary
purpose,
probably
most
of
what
you
see
that
is
in
red,
is
to
address
that
important
issue.
Now
the
other
items
that
I
that
I
ticked
off
the
the
other
six
items
there
were
some
other
changes
and
that's
why
we
call
them
out.
You
know
again
when
you,
when
you
open
up
the
sign
ordinance,
there
was
some
other
needed
changes,
so
it's
a
mixture
of
both,
but
primarily
it
is
because
of
that
Supreme
Court
decision,
III.
E
Wanted,
first
of
all,
thank
you
at
staff,
because
this
is
pretty
the
Luminess
to
have
gone
through
in
detail,
but
I,
but
when
you
say
that
that
you
know
the
staff
helped
promulgate,
these
changes,
okay
and
they
were
presented
to
the
City
Commission
during
a
couple
workshops.
Do
you
know
if
any
of
Chamber
of
Commerce
was
invited
to
participate
in
assisting?
Because
these
these
affect
businesses,
okay
or
the
downtown
Merchants
Association,
where
they
invited
to
be
part
of
the
drafting
of
some
of
this
stuff?.
J
Yeah,
let
me
let
me
back
up
before
that.
The
the
as
far
as
the
content
issue
goes,
that
language
was
the
result
of
the
attorneys
office
of
they
should
really
get
the
credit
for
a
lot
of
that
hard
work,
and
then
there
were
other
changes
that
came
up
as
a
result
of
the
workshops.
The
workshops
were
publicly
noticed
and
there
was
at
least
for
the
final
workshop
noticing
sent
to
the
chamber
folks.
So
you.
H
J
J
E
And
as
such,
I
think
this
is
more
important,
that's
important
that
we
embrace
our
business
community
when
looking
at
these
draft
okay
and
where
you
say
that
they
were,
you
know
they
showed
up
at
the
last
workshop.
But
I
don't
know
if
that's
enough
number
one
I
see
some
of
the
changes
where,
when
you
talk
about
an
abandoned
structure,
you
reduced
it
from
180
days
to
60
days.
You
know:
I'm
a
business
owner
I
own
several
properties
here
in
Tarpon
Springs,
if
I
have
an
abandoned
tenant
but
tenant
vacates
and
I
have
a
hard
time.
E
You
know
trying
to
get
a
tenant
in
there
and
it
takes
me
more
than
60
days
now.
Do
I
have
to
go
back
the
signage
that
I'm,
not
grandfathered
in
obviously
so
now
I
have
to
to
conform
to
whatever
new
code
is,
if
they're
setback
requirements
and
putting
a
monument
sign
I'm
out
of
sync,
because
it's
been
it's
about,
it's
been
sitting
vacant
or
abandoned
for
60
days.
J
I,
don't
think
that
was
one
related
to
content,
but
in
regard
to
signs
it
would
become
non-conforming
as
a
part
of
this.
They
would
be
allowed
to
remain
as
legal
non-conforming
and
could
stay
until
they
were
destroyed.
So
it's
not,
except
when
we,
except
when
it
comes
to
the
bus
bench
signs
nobody's
gonna,
be
required
to
remove
any
non-conforming
signs.
Well,.
E
Not
some
form
to
the
sign.
So
if
I
have
a
sign,
if
I
have
a
sign
and
I,
don't
have
a
can
it
there,
so
the
building
is
sitting
empty
and
it's
not
being
used
for
60
days.
According
to
your
the
definition
here,
it's
abandoned,
then,
and
if
it
was
non-conforming
now
I'm
in
trouble,
if
I
find
a
tenant
and
want
to
use
the
same
sign.
K
E
It
says
if
I
have,
if
I
have
a
monopole,
they
have
a
monopole
son.
Can
it's
gone?
I
still
have
a
monopole
sign,
obvious.
There's,
there's
nobody
in
there.
Okay,
so
the
science
didn't
empty
the
sites
except
the
way.
I
read
this
for
60
days.
Then
then
I
have
to
comply
with
in
you.
It's
it's
I
mean
it's
it's
now
it's
got
to
be
conforming.
Anna.
G
G
It
doesn't
need
to
be
it
says
it's
the
the
following
conditions
shall
be
considered
as
the
failure
to
operate
or
maintain
a
sign,
the
sign,
displaying
advertising
for
a
product
or
service
which
is
no
longer
available
or
displaying
advertising
for
a
business
which
is
no
longer
licensed
or
okay,
a
sign
which
is
blank.
This
definition
includes
signs
on
which
advertised
business
that
is
no
longer
licensed,
no.
E
E
E
E
E
E
Out
you're
advising
us
what
the
meaning
is.
Okay,
so
you're
tell
you're
telling
us
that
if,
if
I
have
a
monopole
sign
and
the
business
has
gone
for
60
days
or
greater
okay,
if
I
want
to
use
that
monopole
sign
that
it's
dull,
even
though
it's
not
conforming
now,
what's
not
good
for
me,
then
I
should
be
still
grant
being
able
to
use
that
sign.
G
E
Yes
started
out
as
being
non-conforming:
okay
tenant
leaves,
it
sits
empty
for
sixty
days,
all
right
because
of
its
because
the
time
has
elapsed.
Sixty
days
it's
deemed
non-conforming
so
now
I
get
attended
in
on
day
number
seventy
and
they
want
to
put
up
a
sign.
I'm
gonna
be
denied
because
the
sign
is
deemed
non-conforming
and
now
I
have
to
comply
with
the
new
sign
ordinance.
E
E
Understand
what
it
says,
my
problem,
my
problem
is:
there's
a
lack
of
clarity.
My
other
problem
is
I
think
would
have
been
appropriate
to
at
least
have
invited
the
chamber
in
some
of
the
business
community
to
participate
in
some
of
the
drafting
of
this,
because
it
does
impact
them
I'm.
Looking
at
some
of
the
other
information
that,
if
there's
an
application
that
sits
on
an
address
for
more
than
twenty
days,
it's
deemed
denied
okay,
you
know.
E
E
G
E
J
J
J
F
E
So
if
I've
got
it
distill,
if
I've
got
a
whiskey,
distillery
and
I
have
a
building
painted
with
all
the
distillery
equipment
in
there,
I
mean
you
know
Jimmy,
you
know
my
concern
is
that's
subjective.
Okay,
that's
subjective,
somebody
could
say
a
know.
That's
that's
artwork
or
somebody
could
say.
No.
That's
signage.
Well,.
J
We
were
very
careful
to
make
sure
that
it
was
only
the
name
of
the
business
so
yeah.
We
we
have
the
same
concern
and
didn't
definitely
don't
want
to
prohibit.
You
know,
distillery,
putting
distillery
related
artwork
or
even
you
know,
a
pizza
place
for
that
matter.
Just
displaying
you
know,
Pizza
related
artwork.
If
there
is
such
a
thing,
but
we
really
wanted
to
distinguish
the
wordiness.
J
What
makes
it
a
sign-
and
you
know
I,
think
I-
think
it's
important-
that
we
have
that
definite
definition
of
artwork
to
actually
not
have
the
subjectivity
in
there
but
yeah,
like
I,
said
as
far
as
the
the
Chamber
members
we'd-we'd
staff
didn't
make
an
effort
to
get
people
here
and
I
think
we
were
a
little
disappointed
that
we
didn't
have
the
the
turnout
that
we
would
have
liked.
But
you
know
we
definitely.
If
you
have
individual
concerns,
we
will
pass
those
along
to
the
Commission's,
so
they
can
make
decisions
based
on
certain.
E
J
E
E
A
A
I
A
Is
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
work
here,
I
feel
exactly
like
Mike.
Does
it's
a
tremendous
effort,
but
I
mean
this
is
a
major
revision
of
a
very
important
ordinance
and
the
first
time
I
even
heard
of
it,
was
when
we
got
this
package.
I
didn't
hear
about
the
meetings.
I
wasn't
noticed
of
the
meeting
I'm
a
business
holder,
I'm
a
business
owner
in
Tarpon
Springs
and
vice-chair
of
this
Commission
and
I
wasn't
noticed
about
the
meeting.
J
E
E
Idea
for
me,
is
you
guys,
did
a
lot
of
work
here:
okay
and
if
I'm
gonna
sign
off
on
something
I
want
to
sign
off
with
something
that
I
don't
want
to
have
to
revisit,
because
there's
some
flaws,
that's
just
me
and
and
so
as
much
work.
If
y'all
has
been
done,
I'm
just
of
the
position
that
this
needs
to
be
fine-tuned,
even
greater,
taking
into
consideration
an
invitation
and
if
they
don't
come
and
that's
their
fault,
because
it
affects
those
people
who
do
business
in
this
community.
E
The
Chamber
downtown
merchants
association
that
you
know
I'm
a
resident
of
TARP
and
I,
don't
necessarily
follow
every
time.
There's
that
there's
that
there's
a
workshop
or
meeting
do
I
look
on
the
agenda,
see
if
something
affects
beer
doesn't
affect
me.
Okay,
that's
my
fault!
You
know
you
try
to
be
a
good
steward
for
your
community,
but
if
somebody
reached
out
to
me
it's
in
my
I
said
Mike
they're
doing
some
something
significant
in
this
community
that
affects
businesses.
You
need
to
attend.
E
Now,
that's
going
to
prick
my
my
curiosity
in
my
ears
that
I
want
to
attend
because
it
affects
me.
Okay,
again,
y'all
did
one
heck
of
a
job
going
through
this
cuz
I
wouldn't
want
to
do
this
for
her
for
the
life
of
me,
but
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
ready
to
say
okay,
I
approve
I'd
like
to
see
this
be
fine-tuned
with
the
invitation
of
those
who
are
primarily
affected.
E
Obviously,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
everything.
A
business
wants
you
to
do
because
there's
got
to
be
standards,
but
there's
certain
things
that
I
see
in
here.
That
I
think
think
our
onerous
going
back
to
if
an
applicant
submits
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
piecemeal.
While
we
have
a
problem
with
this
this
this
and
this
because
I
got
this
on
over
the
weekend.
Okay
and
I
try
to
digest
as
best
I
could
in
a
few
days
what
it
took
y'all
a
long
time
to
produce.
C
E
So
I
don't
have
the
luxury
of
going
line
by
item
by
item
some
of
it.
I
have
to
read
digest
because
I
don't
understand
when
you
talk
about
measuring
signs
from
the
farthest
point
to
the
okay
I
have
to
I
have
to
think
that
through
so
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
things
that
I
say
well
that
that
that
makes
sense.
I
I,
don't
know
if
this
makes
sense
again
going
back
to
the
applicant.
E
If
the
applicant
makes
an
application
and
if
it's
not,
if
it's
not,
you
know
determined
in
20
days
it's
deemed
denied,
but
I
have.
You
know
I
find
that
problematic,
because
it
takes
that
out
of
the
hands
of
the
applicant,
you
know,
and
then
they
have
to
appeal
it
to
the
city
manager.
Well,
you
know
I
don't
want
to
have
to
peel
stuff
to
the
city
manager.
J
I
certainly
appreciate
the
comments
as
far
as
the
complexity
of
it,
it
is
very
complex
and
signs
in
general
are
complex.
We
do
have
a
compliance
issue
since
2015
that
I
think
the
attorney
is
particularly
concerned
about.
So
what
we
were
hoping
if
possible
and
understand
it
may
not
be
possible
if,
but
if
we
could
make
specific
call
out
specific
concerns
that
we
could
bring
forward.
E
C
K
E
Back
to
the
example,
you
know
you
had,
there
was
a
gentleman
in
in
Clearwater
who
had
that
fish
market
and
I.
Think
you
don't
him.
So
he
had
a
fish
market
with
the
fish
painted
all
over
the
building
and
in
the
city
basically
said
he
was
a
violation
of
the
site
ordinance,
even
though
the
murals
were
pretty
and
they
they
sort
of
were
a
sort
of
title,
a
story
of
what
he
did
and
that
was
deemed
inappropriate,
even
though
it
was
a
beautiful
mural.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
this
city
to
get
to
that.
Yeah.
K
A
K
F
H
J
D
E
J
Mean
I
would
say,
a
majority
of
the
changes
in
red
are
to
get
it
into
compliance,
but
there
there
are
other
areas
in
there
when
you
open
it
up.
There
was
some
discussion
that
things
were
added
and
changed
and
things
were
deleted.
So
there
there's
extra
stuff
it's
hard
to
tell
exactly.
What's,
content
and
and
what's
not
in
the
regulations.
D
I
You
know
I
have
my
Michael
Aeolus
1504
Riverside
Drive,
well,
I'm
older
than
all
of
y'all,
and
by
the
way
my
brother
runs
the
parking
lot,
but
I'm,
not
a
parking
attendant
I'm,
an
attorney
also,
and
so
the
Supreme
Court
pops
up.
You
realize
what
you
people
did
tonight:
their
five
senses,
smell
taste,
field
hearing
and
seeing
obviously
the
whatever
sign
ordinance
it's
over
the
site
of
what
it
looks
like
and
I.
I
Don't
care
how
y'all
voted
on
that
retaining
wall,
but
you
were
shown
the
worst
retaining
wall
in
the
United
States
of
America
by
site.
Yet
you
had
a
staff
that
worked
around
it
and
approved
it
fine,
but
how
would
that
be
consistent
with
making
sign
laws
that
are
more
restrictive?
If
you
were
so
worried
about
site,
there's
something
about
the
retaining
wall?
It's
right
in
the
middle
of
these
same
sponge
exchange
what'll
end
up
happening
will
be
selective
enforcement,
which
architecture
engineer
applied
for
a
certain
permit
and
that
what
just
happened
tonight,
the
same
staff.
I
That's
so
worried
about
signs
said
you
can
live
with
that
retaining
wall
and
water
drains
done
it's
the
worst
one,
probably
in
the
United
States
of
America.
It
would
be
like
putting
a
sign
up
there.
That
was
crazy.
Looking
and
I
don't
mind
it
but
be
consistent,
but
then
turn
around
and
have
some
restrictive
sign
law
that
says
we
need
have
beautiful
aesthetics,
we're
going
to
have
nothing
but
selective
enforcement
and
all
kinds
of
applications
and
forms.
I
That's
all
I'm
pointing
out
I'm,
not
I.
Could
care
I'm,
not
gonna,
be
here
too
much
longer,
not
speaking,
but
I'm,
just
passing
through
when
there
was
over
there,
no
I'm
gonna
be
gone,
but
this
is
what
we're
gonna
have
and
that's
what
I
just
want
y'all
to
see.
Maybe
y'all
lost
sight
of
what
y'all
were
doing,
okay,
but
just
think
about
it.
Thank
you
that
you've
completely
eliminate
changing.
Maybe
the
sign
laws
already
too
restrictive.
If
anything,
in
order
to
coincide
with
your
retaining
wall
decision,
but
a
more
restrictive
one.
It's
not
consistent.
Thank.
K
B
H
G
G
F
A
F
E
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
staff
again
again
going
through
this.
It's
very,
very
difficult
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
work
was
done
to
do
this
and
you
know
I'm
sure
you
know
next
time.
This
is
in
front
of
us.
If
the
business
community
doesn't
chime
in
and
address
their
concerns.
I
know
you
know:
there's
a
business
owner,
I'm
gonna
relay
what
I
have
to
say,
but
again
I
appreciate
all
the
work
staff
has
done
it
with
regard
to
this
yeah.
A
And
I
would
would
echo
that
and
like
I
said,
I
I
don't
want
to
vote
against
it,
but
there
just
wasn't
time
to
adequately
address
what
I
see
here
in
front
of
us
in
one
day
and
I.
Think
somehow
we
need
to
deal
with
that
situation.
That
would
put
this
much
information
in
front
of
us,
with
with
only
a
day
to
try
to
digest
it
and
and
I,
really
wonder
why
the
Commission
wouldn't
have
been
noticed
of
the
public
hearings
that
they
held
on
it.
A
I
mean
I
could
have
seen
it
in
the
newspaper
or
something
I
get
or
online
somewhere,
but
I
didn't
because
it's
certainly
important
enough
that
anybody
on
this
commission
or
having
a
business
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
would
would
want
to
hear
about
it
and
participate
in
it.
I
would
think,
and
in
some
form
or
fashion.
When
we
have
these
complicated
issues
coming
in
front
of
us,
we
we
need
a
better
opportunity
to
prepare
for
them.
Some
help.