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A
B
D
B
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
ask:
if
we
have
a
quorum:
okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
Okay.
Second
order
of
business
is
to
approve
the
minutes
of
september
20th.
If
the
board
remembers,
we
had
requested,
we
defer
these
minutes.
The
approval
is
these
minutes.
To
this
this
meeting,
I
would
ask
and
entertain
a
motion
that
we
defer
the
discussion
on
these
minutes
till
after
the
application
process
get
the
applicants
through
the
process.
First,
talk
about
the
minutes
after
I'd
like
to
have
that
entertainment
as
a
motion.
F
B
B
E
B
G
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
applied
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
G
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
D
A
A
So
the
front
portion
is
currently
occupied
by
a
retail
store.
It
was
previously
the
tarpon
lanes
bowling
alley
and
it
is
now
a
retail
store
with
it's
a
multi-tenant
building.
I
believe
lukens
is
the
only
one
in
here
now.
A
This
area,
this
site
again,
is
zoned
highway
business,
it's
in
the
commercial
general
future
land
use
category
the
surrounding
uses,
especially
north
of
cypress
street,
are
characterized
by
some
of
the
older
kind
of
warehouse
industrial
kind
of
uses
in
tarpon.
Just
going
back
to
this
slide,
you've
got
the
duke
energy
yard
across
the
street
in
the
cemetery.
A
A
Manufacturing
different
uses
like
that
that
are
either
in
transition
or
still
used
for
that,
then,
of
course,
south
of
the
site.
You
have
more
retail
you've
got
the
warm
the
shopping
center
with
the
walmart
in
it
down
to
east
tarpon,
f,
so
the
immediate
surroundings.
Again,
the
life
storage
mini
warehouse,
astro
skate
to
the
west
and
the
tarpon
square
shopping
center
to
the
south.
A
A
This
is
a
conceptual
layout.
The
applicant
will
have
to
go
through
a
site
plan
approval
process,
so
the
existing
building
on
site
is
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
use.
This
was
built
in
1959,
but
the
new
use
will
have
to
comply
with
code
as
far
as
landscaping
and
parking
and
those
types
of
things.
D
A
Proposing
with
the
site
plan
to
reduce
their
impervious
surface,
to
accommodate
those,
the
landscaping
and
those
types
of
things,
so
they
by
our
drainage
code,
if
they
stay
the
same
or
reduce,
they
do
not
have
to
do
the
full
drainage.
So
that's
the
proposal
here,
just
kind
of
a
layout
showing
where
that
warehouse
will
be
added.
A
There
is
an
existing
curb,
cut.
Access
will
be
off
of
cypress
street
warehouse
office
is
a
low
traffic
generator.
So,
as
far
as
public
facilities
trip
generation
on
a
warehouse
is
on
the
order
of
like
for
for
something
this
size,
maybe
seven
or
eight
trips
a
day,
so
it's
generally
pretty
low.
A
A
It
gen
it
basically
is
an
establishment
where
the
primary
use
is
the
storage
of
merchandise,
products
or
materials
in
bulk
or
for
fee
or
for
distribution
to
other
establishments
operated
by
the
same
business
enterprise.
So
this
use
that
you're
allowing
by
conditional
use,
is
really
a
little
fairly
benign
use.
The
applicant
has
not
provided
the
floor
area
for
the
office
versus
the
warehouse,
but
they
will
not
be
able
to
put
noisy
kind
of
noxious
or
industrial
or
manufacturing
uses
in
here
without
another
conditional
use
request
to
you.
A
So,
with
respect
to
your
criteria,
we
believe
the
concept
layout
will
conform
with
the
land
development
code
in
general.
Again,
they'll
have
to
go
through
a
site
plan
approval,
so
they
will
have
to
modify
any
any.
You
know
they'll
have
to
tweak
that
site
plan
to
meet
all
the
land
development
code
requirements.
A
The
use
is
appropriate
to
the
area.
This
is
a
conditional
use
because,
as
you
know,
highway
business
is
really
focused
on
the
retail
rest.
You
know,
services,
restaurant
shopping,
those
types
of
personal
services,
those
uses.
So
when
a
warehouse
comes
in
the
future,
land
use,
I'm
sorry
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
zoning
code
want
you
to
look
at
those
and
just
ensure
that
they
do
fit.
In
this
case,
you've
got
an
existing
property.
This
is
in
the
back
of
the
property
off
of
19,
so
it
really
is
appropriate
to
the
site.
A
A
This
project
will
not
adversely
is
not
expected
to
adversely
affect
the
joint
property
values.
The
adjoining
properties
are
retail
or
warehouse
commercial
recreation,
those
types
of
things
so
this
business.
This
allows
this.
This
property
remain
viable
and
hopefully,
to
maintain
property
values
in
this
area.
A
A
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
warehouse
use
and
if
a
site
plan
has
not
been
approved
within
12
months,
the
this
would
have
this
conditional
use
would
expire.
So
it
is
possible.
We
had
a
code
change
a
couple
of
years
ago,
making
it
possible
for
people
to
ask
for
a
conditional
use
without
a
site
plan,
but
you
do
have
to
have
that
site
plan
approved
within
a
year
or
come
back
again
with
the
conditional
use.
E
The
existing
building
you
mentioned
that
it's
a
non-compliant
built
in
1959.
What
does
that
mean?
How
is
it
non-compliant
now.
A
It's
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
use
good
example.
If
you
see
there
are
no
side
setbacks,
that's
probably
the
biggest
thing
I
would
say,
I'm
guessing
the
landscaping,
the
land
there's
no
real
landscape
buffer
along
the
property
line.
That's
another
good
example:
now
we
have
an
eight-foot
buffer.
A
E
So
another
question,
often
when
we
see
these
we're
going
to
call
this
a
site
plan,
but
it's
conceptual
there's
a
water
retention
or
stormwater
retention
plan
associated
with
that-
and
I
don't
see
that
here
and
even
though
we
can
read
they're
trying
to
be
generous
about
well
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
parking
lot.
That's
great.
But
is
there
a
storm
water
retention
plan?
And
often
we
hear
that
noted
specifically
that
all
storm
water
shall
be
treated
on
site.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that.
A
Yes
and
our
code
does
allow
the
if,
if
they
were
just
putting
a
building
on
top
of
the
impervious
it's
already
impervious,
our
code
allows
them.
Second
thing
is
the
applicant
may
be
able
to
speak
to
their
plan.
I
believe
they
want
to
maybe
provide
some
some
type
of
swale
or
some
minimal
retention,
but
by
our
code
they
basically
are
exempt.
Third
thing
would
be.
A
We
would
ask
that
they
check
with
the
southwest
florida
water
management
district
to
make
sure
they're
exempt
from
their
rules
as
well,
so
and
then
they
would,
if
not,
they
would
supply
that
permit
or
exemption
with
their
building
permit.
So
really
they're
exempt
from
our
code
from
doing
full
storm
water
on
this
site.
E
D
A
Yeah
and
and
we've
got
wetlands
over
here
and
that's
why
that's
why
I
mentioned
that
we've
got
some
things
going
on
here,
trying
to
deal
with
that
on
this
old
cypress
right-of-way.
A
A
Like
I
said
they
may
be
able
to
speak
to
to
that
so
yeah
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
it.
We
just
can't
require
full
compliance
with.
H
E
I
I
A
A
E
B
B
Okay,
do
we
have
does
the
city
have
any
prohibition
or
restrictions
with
with
regard
to
items
that
can
be
stored,
for
example,
chemicals
and
things
of
that
that
nature,
so
even
where
there,
whether
it's
a
store
storage
facility,
let's
say,
pool
service,
wanted
to
rent
and
store
all
their
chemicals
or
pool
chemicals
or
something
that
was
highly
volatile?
B
A
Yes,
both
the
square
footage
of
each
devoted
to
each
use
and
the
building
construction
will
have
to
comply
with
building
codes
and
fire
codes.
Fire
codes
probably
are
the.
A
B
R,
with
the
with
or
without
a
conditional
criteria,
that's.
A
B
H
Mr
chairman
and
board
members
todd
pressman,
2nd
avenue
south
number
451
in
st
petersburg
florida,
your
staff's
done
a
great
job.
We
work
with
them
on
this
request
and
they
really
have
covered
everything.
A
couple
just
a
few
highlights,
which
would
be
that,
as
your
staff
has
indicated
to
you,
this
site
meets
the
conditional
use
before
you
meets
the
criteria
of
the
code
and
the
criteria
before
you.
It
meets
the
and
is
compatible
with
the
immediate
uses
in
the
area.
H
It
will
be
a
improvement
of
the
site,
basically
right
now
and
partly
to
mr
vesey.
If
I
can
read
that
quickly,
some
of
your
questions,
the
site
is
just
100
pavement,
so
coming
in
after
conditional
use,
this
use
approval.
The
site
is
going
to
be
improved.
It
will
be
substantially
better
with
a
lot
more
a
pervious
surface
per
required
by
code.
It
is
in
the
highway
business
district.
H
H
I
think
awesomely
important
there's
been
no
opposition
whatsoever
that
we've
been
made
aware
for
this
request
in
regard
to
a
couple
questions,
if
I
may,
the
existing
building
is
a
legal
non-conforming
use.
It's
there
per
quote,
grandfathering
it's
not
a
part
of
this
application.
I
understand
certainly
to
ask
questions
about
it
and
to
ask
its
condition,
but
that's
not
part
of
this
request
today,
directly
whatever
is
required
for
retention,
whether
by
the
city
or
by
swift
mud
or
any
other
jurisdiction
that
will
have
to
be
provided.
But
again
that
would
be
an
improvement.
F
H
A
And
to
answer
your
question:
I'd
have
to
look.
I
think
it's
it's
a
couple
spaces
per
1500
square
feet
they'll
be
okay
on
parking
with
the
warehouse,
I
believe
so
that
they're
kind
of
looking
at.
Obviously
they
have
rear
access
to
this
building
so
they'll,
be
able
to
maintain
that
I
believe,
along
with
the
warehouse
which,
which
is
mr
preston
mentioned,
is
a
is
a
separate
kind
of
a
stand-alone
use
here,
but
how
they
organize
that
parking
is
really
up
to
them.
B
B
We
received
no
emails,
I
see
no
emails
or
other
people
anxious
to
get
up
and
make
a
comment.
So
at
this
point,
if
anybody
wants
to
make
a
motion.
F
E
B
K
Okay,
the
subject
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
reed
street.
It's
outlined
here
in
yellow
on
your
screen.
This
area
is
really
a
mixture
of
different
residential
zoning.
This
property
is
in
the
residential
multifamily
or
the
rm
district
across
the
street
to
the
south
is
in
the
conditional
residential
mix
district
there's
r
70
to
the
west,
which
is
one
and
two
family
zoning
and
then
there's
more
multifamily
to
the
east
of
the
site.
K
The
applicants
are
here
today
seeking
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
for
an
alternative,
dimensional
plan.
Again,
this
property
is
located
in
the
rm
zoning
district,
which
provides
this
alternative
dimensional
plan
provision.
They
are
seeking
approval
for
the
alternate
dimensions
in
order
to
construct
a
new
single
family
home
detached
home
on
a
separate
parcel.
K
The
existing
property
is
about
10
700
square
feet
in
size.
The
current
land
use
is
rm,
which
is
residential
medium
based
on
the
current
size
of
the
property.
They
would
be
permitted
up
to
a
total
of
four
dwelling
units.
Currently
there's
just
one
single
family
dwelling
on
the
property.
The
addition
of
another
unit
would
be
a
total
of
two
units.
K
The
proposed
modifications
in
terms
of
dimensions
include
for
lot.
A
which
we're
referring
to
for
the
existing
home
lot
would
be
a
reduced
minimum
lot.
Width
for
lot
b
is
the
new
lot
they're
proposing
to
create
they're,
seeking
a
reduced
lot
area,
a
reduced
lot
width
and
a
reduced
interior
side
setback
and
I'll
go
into
those
a
little
more
detail.
K
This
is
a
look
at
their
conceptual
lot
layout
and
site
plan.
The
current
lot
configuration
is
the
yellow
square
on
the
screen
again,
there's
an
existing
single
family
residents
on
the
eastern
portion
of
the
site,
and
they
are
looking
to
split
off
the
western
side
of
the
property
to
create
a
new
lot,
which
is
lot
b
labeled
here
and
that's
outlined
in
red.
K
This
includes
you
know
your
minimum
lot
dimensions
and
standards.
Your
setbacks,
specifically,
you
are
not
allowed
to
request
alterations
to
maximum
height
or
your
net
floor
area,
so
those
are
not
included
in
this
request
and
the
intent
behind
this
provision
is
to
accommodate
unique
residential
projects
or
to
accommodate
projects
that
may
be
located
on
an
unusual
or
difficult
project
site.
K
The
proposed
alternative
dimensional
plan
is
outlined
in
the
table
here
on
the
screen
in
the
table.
It
has
the
minimum
standards
that
are
affected
in
the
rm
district
in
comparison
to
proposed
lot
a
again,
the
existing
home
lot
and
proposed
lot
b,
which
is
the
new
lot.
The
items
that
I've
highlighted
in
the
red
text
are
the
items
that
they're
proposing
to
modify
so
for
proposed
lot.
K
A
the
existing
home
lot,
they're
looking
for
a
reduced
lot
width,
the
minimum
lot
width
is
60
feet,
they're,
proposing
57
and
a
half
feet
and
then
looking
at
proposed
lot
b,
which
is
the
new
parcel
they're.
Looking
for
a
smaller
lot
area,
the
minimum
requirement
is
7
000
square
feet,
they're
seeking
3
500
square
feet.
K
I'm
zooming
back
out
and
looking
at
the
context
this
again,
this
area
along
reed
street
has
multi-family
zoning
on
the
north
side,
mixed
residential
zoning
on
the
south
side,
all
the
properties
that
are
fronting
the
sea,
the
street
I
did
a
calculation
in
the
average
lot
area-
is
just
about
9
600
square
feet.
The
average
lot
width
is
80
feet
again.
The
proposed
lot
b
is
proposed
to
be
at
3
500
square
feet
and
a
minimum
lot
width
of
28
feet.
I
will
note
that
there
is
one
existing
lot
along
reed
street
right
here.
K
K
K
K
They
have
primarily
a
craftsman,
architectural
style,
so
they're,
typically
narrower
front
elevations
and
they're
deeper
homes
on
deep
lots.
The
existing
home
on
this
property
was
built
in
1959
and
has
a
vernacular
style
and
they
are
proposing
for
the
new
home
to
be
a
shotgun
style
craftsman
home
to
be
consistent
with
the
historic
properties
of
the
neighborhood.
And
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
their
proposal
is
more
in
context
with
the
neighborhood
and
because
it
does
not
disrupt
the
historic
massing
along
reed
street.
K
K
K
K
K
The
use
is
generally
consistent
with
a
comprehensive
plan.
It
does
fit
within
the
permitted
density
allowances.
The
property
again
is
in
a
historic
district,
and
the
existing
home
is
a
contributing
structure.
However,
it's
not
located
on
an
environmentally
sensitive
site.
K
The
use
is
not
expected
to
adversely
impact
the
proposing
or
the
surrounding
property
values,
although
it
would
be
a
new
lot
that
results
in
an
additional
unit.
It
is
lower
than
the
density
that's
allowed
within
this
property,
as
well
as
the
district,
and
there
are
current
facilities
available
to
serve
the
property
and
it
is
within
the
city
limits,
so
it
is
considered
efficient,
orderly
development
based
off
of
that
staff
does
recommend
denial.
This
application,
which
is
resolution
2021-65,
as
I
mentioned
previously.
K
We
believe
that
the
true
intent
of
this
alternative
dimensional
plan
is
to
allow
for
some
unique
residential
projects
to
provide
additional
density
in
areas
as
opposed
to
creating
non-conforming
lots
that
have
a
single
unit
at
the
time
that
the
packets
were
prepared.
We
did
not
receive
any
written
notices.
We
did
receive
over
the
weekend
three
emails
which
were
provided
to
you
prior
to
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
and
with
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions.
K
K
Let
me
go
to
this
table
not
for
single
family.
K
B
Okay,
so
so
now
is
the
current
lot.
Is
it
under
the
plat?
Is
that
have
that
little
proposed
lot
b?
Does
that
have?
Is
that
a
separate
lot
number
on
the
plat,
or
is
it
all
under
one
lot
number
in
the
plat?
I.
K
Don't
believe
that
it's
a
full
lot,
I
want
to
say
that
the
the
original
plot
has
a
full
lot
and
then
a
half
of
a
lot.
So
it's
not
a
full
separated
law.
It's.
B
K
D
K
B
So
they're
not
they're,
not
asking
for
like
if
you
like,
if
they
wanted
something
unique
to
build
like
in
some
places
in
tampa
where
you
have
a
carriage
house
where
you
have
an
adjacent
property
that
you
know
maybe
years
ago
in
tarpon
springs.
They
would
not
allow
you
to
do
that,
because
it's
increasing
density
on
on
a
lot,
but
those
types
of
things
that
are
unique
in
nature.
B
I
could
see
something
like
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
as
to
what
your
what
the
applicant
is
asking
for
and
what
the
city
is
recommending
that
we
approve
is
to
take
a
basically
create
a
non-conforming
lot,
even
in
its
current
zoning
platform.
Okay
and
and
just
from
the
this
from
the
schematic
or
design,
is
to
build
the
long
skinny
house
to
put
that
has
a
lot
width
of
28
feet
to
put
a
put
a
single
family
residence
there
correct,
okay,
I.
F
Have
a
question
the
the
lot
that
you
pointed
out
that
you
said
was
of
similar
size.
That
would
be
to
the
left
right.
K
K
K
E
My
questions
follow
with
this
lot
size.
Actually,
the
the
setbacks
and
you
highlighted
it
in
red.
So
not
only
would
the
lot
size
be
off,
but
there
would
be
an
application
for
a
variance
for
that
side.
Setback
or
is
the
side
set
back
at
five.
The
5.5.
K
K
E
E
I
have
a
question
and
I
have
one
more
just
just
because
I
underlined
it
and
you
did
a
good
job
of
highlighting
it
is
the
bulleted
ldc
section,
2505
d2
residential
projects,
I'm
going
to
hop
to
the
bottom
located
the
whole
purpose
of
this
special
carve
out
that
allows
this
application
is
to
assist
in
projects
that
are
located
on
unusual
or
difficult
project
sites.
E
J
J
D
L
Respectfully,
we
disagree
with
that
to
our
knowledge,
there's
nothing
in
the
land
development
code
or
any
other
local
ordinance,
which
limits
the
use
of
alternative
dimensional
review
to
multiple
units
or
prohibits
to
use
for
single
units,
to
quote
the
original
2009
report
to
city
commissioners.
The
purpose
of
the
ordinance
that
allows
for
alternative
dimensional
review
was
to
provide
a
flexible
approach
rather
than
to
try
and
create
new
dimensional
criteria
to
address
varying
needs.
L
L
Our
parcel
in
itself
is
therefore
unique
and
unusual.
It's
made
up
of
the
whole
of
lot
seven
and
half
of
lot.
Eight.
The
split
we're
proposing
mirrors
the
original
lot
lines
for
that
street
almost
identically
to
within
half
a
foot
and
no
other
property
on
reed
street
includes
one
whole
lot,
plus
one
half
lot
of
record.
L
L
Seven
140
reed
street
is
therefore
unique
in
that
it
has
a
buildable
amount
of
underutilized
land
to
the
west
of
the
existing
house
and,
as
pointed
out
in
our
justification,
which
accompanied
the
application,
the
construction
of
a
simple
fact,
single-family
attached
or
semi-detached
dwelling
on
our
property
doesn't
require
any
specific
zoning
approvals.
Only
the
historic
preservation
board
consent
and
a
building
permit.
This
is
despite
the
fact
that
there
are
no
other
attached
homes
in
the
neighborhood,
all
of
them
instead
being
single-family
detached,
which
is
what
we're
proposing.
L
We
feel
that
our
proposal,
when
considered
against
the
alternative
of
single-family
attached
home
instead
brings
benefits
not
only
to
ourselves
as
the
owners
but
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
the
immediate
neighbours,
the
neighborhood
and
the
historic
context
of
the
neighborhood.
L
F
Yeah,
I'm
just
hello,
mr
page
hi
hi,
I'm
just
curious
art.
Do
you
plan?
Are
you
planning
to
live
in
the
home.
L
The
plan
it
varies,
my
my
wife's
family
is
quite
sick
at
the
moment,
so
we're
trying
to
find
either
we
build
the
home
for
them
and
we
move
into
the
other
house
or
we're
trying
to
build
that
house.
So
we
can
sell
it
and
build
a
house
next
to
our
current
home
in
dunedin.
L
B
You
you
indicated
in
in
your
statement
that,
when
you
were
reciting
the
ordinance
that
the
purpose
of
the
ordinance
was
to
accommodate
the
varying
needs,
what
what
did
you
mean
by
varying
needs?
What
is
your
varying
need.
L
B
Any
public
comment:
we
did
receive
three
emails
from
adjacent
residents.
D
A
B
That
being
said,
none
does
the
board
would
like
to
first,
let's
take
a
motion
and
then,
if
we
want
to
discuss
it,
we
can
does
anybody
want
to
offer
a
motion.
E
Yes,
that
we
deny
application.
We
deny,
as
submitted
for
both
of
those
applications.
B
Okay,
okay,
all
right!
Let's
any
discussion.
E
Since
I
made
the
motion,
if
I
may,
I
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
be
thoughtful
about
this.
Obviously,
the
comments
in
regards
to
the
adjacent
lot
down
the
road,
but
it's
easy
to
get
pulled
into
that,
because
we
did
a
lot
of
things
in
the
past
that
are
there,
but
there's
a
reason.
We
have
current
land
code.
E
I
think
that
the
interpretation
that
staff
made
of
the
actual
purpose
of
this
carve
out
is
clear
and
concise.
It's
there
to
fix
a
real
real
problem,
and
this
is
not
a
real
problem
that
has
to
be
fixed.
This
is
just
a
convenience,
although
I
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
and
the
thought
into
it.
It's
just
a
personal
preference
and
then
add
to
it.
The
change
in
a
side
setback
that
nobody
else
gets.
B
You
know
I
I
I
understand
your
plight.
I
have
to
agree
with
a
fellow
board
member.
You
know
I
looking
at
at
the
proposed
minimum
lot.
Width.
That's
that's!
That's
just.
F
B
It's
it's
small,
it's
small
and-
and
you
know
obviously
100.
You
know
not
even
100
years
ago,
in
some
parts
of
of
down
at
the
dock
areas,
the
lots
were
30
foot
wide
or
20
25
foot
wide.
I
understand
that
back
then,
but
things
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
what
we
have
we've
changed
our
building
plans
or
our
our
processes
to
to
that.
You
that's
not
allowed
today,
and
I
don't
need
to
vacate
any
more
on
that.
So
I'd.
G
G
F
F
F
D
B
Okay
on
to
application,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
K
All
avenue
alley
keen
again,
okay,
this
property
again,
is
at
the
southeast
corner
of
north
jasmine
avenue
in
mellon
street.
It's
outlined
in
yellow
here
on
the
screen
I'll
point
it
out,
because
it
kind
of
blends
in
a
little
bit
it's
about
four
and
a
half
4.6
acres
in
size.
This
property
is
currently
zoned
r-100,
which
is
a
single-family
zoning
district.
K
There
is
a
residential
plan.
Development
zoning
to
the
north,
which
is
the
north
lake
of
tarpon,
springs
development
multi-family
over
here
and
then
to
the
south
is
the
rose
cemetery
to
the
west
is
the
cicada
cemetery
cemetery
and
then
the
tarpon
spring
sports
complex,
is
over
here
to
the
east
of
the
site.
K
K
K
They
are
also
requesting
two
waivers
as
a
part
of
the
application
which
I'll
get
into
more
detail
here
in
a
moment,
and
then
there
is
a
sister
or
companion
application
for
a
right-of-way
vacation
for
cypress
street,
which
is
an
unimproved
right-of-way
along
the
southern
portion
of
the
site.
It's
outlined
here
in
orange.
I
just
want
to
make
mention
that
that's
part
of
this
overall
development,
the
planning
and
zoning
board,
does
not
review
vacation
requests.
Let's
go
directly
to
the
border
commissioner,
so
we
just
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
K
As
a
part
of
their
proposed
site
plan,
they
have
a
set
of
dimensional
standards
which
are
outlined
here
on
the
screen.
They
are
proposing
a
minimum
lot
area,
5400
square
feet,
a
minimum
lot
width
of
40
feet,
a
minimum
lot
depth
of
125
feet,
maximum
height
of
35
feet
and
when
looking
at
the
setbacks,
they're
proposing
a
front
yard
setback
of
20,
feet,
side,
yard
setback,
minimum
5,
feet,
side,
street
minimum
10
feet
in
the
rear
yard
of
10
feet.
K
As
I
had
mentioned,
they
are
looking
to
vacate
the
cypress
street
right
of
way
along
the
southern
portion.
Typically,
when
right-of-way
is
vacated,
half
of
it
goes
to
one
adjoining
property
and
the
other
half
goes
to
the
other
adjoining
property.
The
applicants
are
in
conversations
with
the
adjoining
property
to
the
south,
which
is
the
rose
cemetery
to
acquire
the
entire
right-of-way.
In
the
event,
they
are
unable
to
acquire
that
entire
right-of-way.
K
They
provided
an
alternate
lot
layout,
which
is
what's
shown
here
and
I'll
point
out
the
different
differences,
it's
pretty
minimal
in
terms
of
the
development
first,
the
minimum
lot
area.
There's
a
few
lots,
I
believe,
there's
four
lots
that
would
have
a
dimension
of
40
by
126,
which
would
be
5040
square
feet.
K
The
vacated
right-of-way,
would
affect
the
depth
of
the
properties
along
here
in
the
outline
in
blue,
which
are
lots
12
through
18.
they're,
proposed
at
135
feet.
This
would
go
down
to
126
feet
and
then
the
lot
width
for
these
two
properties
outlined
in
orange
will
be
at
45
feet
and
47
and
a
half
feet.
So
those
are
the
only
changes
that
result
from
this
and
I
do
believe
that
they
have
additional
information
about
the
right-of-way
vacation
and
I'll
defer
the
applicant
to
elaborate
on
that.
K
K
A
waiver
cannot
be
granted
unless
it's
been
demonstrated
that
one
of
the
five
scenarios
have
been
met
or
justified.
With
the
request.
Those
scenarios
are
a
superior
alternative
protection
of
significant
features,
deprivation
of
reasonable
use,
a
technical
impracticality
or
no
relationship
to
the
development
or
its
impacts.
K
The
first
waiver
is
in
reference
to
lot
dimensions
and
setbacks:
the
land
development
code
for
the
rpd
district
for
single
family
detached
homes.
It
does
provide
a
set
of
minimum
standards.
It
is
common
for
plan
developments
to
come
in
and
request
alternate
dimensions
for
their
development.
In
this
case,
the
applicants
are
requesting
a
waiver
to
lot
area.
K
The
lot
width,
the
minimum
is
75
feet,
they're
requesting
40
feet
to
be
the
minimum
and
for
front
yard
setback
they're
requesting
20
feet.
Minimum
the
requirement
is
25
side
yard
they're,
requesting
a
minimum
five
feet.
The
total
the
requirement
is
10
feet
with
a
total
of
25
feet
for
both
sides:
side
street
they're
requesting
10
feet.
The
minimum
is
15
and
rear
yard
they're
requesting
10
feet.
The
minimum
is
30
feet.
K
K
The
applicant
has
cited
the
the
superior
alternative
for
justification
for
this
request.
They've
indicated
that
the
smaller
lot
sides
sizes
provide
for
more
affordable
home
sites
for
single
family
development,
and
they
are
comparable
to
those
that
you
are
found
in
the
adjacent
plant
development
to
the
north,
which
is
the
north
lake
of
tarpon,
springs
development.
K
They
are
requesting
to
waive
the
requirement
to
construct
sidewalks
just
along
the
melon
street
frontage.
They
have
cited
technical
and
practicality
as
the
justification
for
the
waiver.
There
is
an
existing
drainage,
ditch
that's
along
melon
street
over
here
and
there's
also
some
existing
concrete
infrastructure
throughout
this
drainage
dish.
So
this
is
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
this
image,
but
there's
a
picture
of
that.
K
Here's
an
overview
of
the
preliminary
plan
development
criteria.
Staff
does
believe
that
each
of
these
have
been
met
with
the
proposed
development,
and
the
preliminary
staff
recommendation
is
approval
of
the
ordinance,
including
the
two
waiver
requests.
Staff
did
list
five
recommended
conditions.
The
first
is
approval
of
the
preliminary
plan.
Development
is
contingent
upon
the
vacation
of
cypress
street.
The
second
is
a
pedestrian
crossing
shall
be
provided
on
mellon
street
provide
access
to
the
trail.
K
K
The
fourth
is
just
acknowledgment
that
public
art
requirements
would
come
into
play
with
this
development,
and
the
final
development
plan
must
be
submitted
within
one
year
of
any
approval
of
this
development.
The
the
conditions
would
all
basically
be
provided
at
the
final
development
plan
stage.
Those
will
be
verified
that
those
are
met,
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
B
E
Okay,
so
I
can
get
my
mind
around
it
so
right
now
it's
a
single
family
resident
lot.
There's
one.
K
So
it's
currently
zoned
r
100,
which
is
a
single
family
zone
district.
They
do
have
density
like
I
said
to
go
up
to
23
units
based
off
the
standards
in
r100.
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
accommodate
23
units.
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
code
to
give
you
the
minimum
sizes.
I
know
the
minimum
lot
area
is
ten
thousand
square
feet.
Okay,.
E
Okay,
you're
going
a
little
too
fast
for
me,
so
stay
with
me,
so
I
want
to
keep
it
straight
forward.
So
if
it
was
straight,
vanilla
met
every
rule
without
breaking
anything.
If
we
stayed
with
the
plan,
how
many
square
feet
are
there
and
how
many
10
000
square
foot
units
would
be
allowed
to
put
there.
D
E
E
E
The
two
so
the
first
one
and
somehow
this
math
doesn't
work.
So
I
need
to
know
is
that
if
the
minimum
lot
area
is
10
000
square
feet,
but
yet
the
proposed
is
5400
square
feet,
but
yet
they're
putting
less
houses
not
by
half.
How
did
we
go?
How
do
we
go
from
23
allowed
to
only
requesting
18,
but
yet
we
cutting
the
lot
sizes
in
half.
K
E
K
So,
which
is
why,
for
this
the
rpd
district,
it
provides
this
waiver
process
so
that
you
can
design
something
and
see
what
the
board
believes.
E
Okay,
super,
so
I'm
I'm
catching
up,
you're
you're,
smarter
than
me,
okay,
so
I
I
don't
build
a
lot
of
things,
but
a
1500
square,
500
square
foot,
lot
that
that's
that's
pretty
modestly
sized
okay
and
then
the
waiver
rule,
and
I'm
going
to
read
it
just
so
that
I
can
use
it.
Okay,
the
waiver
rule
says
you
got
to
meet
one
of
five
and
in
this
case
the
waiver
for
lot
dimensions
and
setbacks,
reason
that
they
should
be
granted.
The
waiver
is
superior
alternative.
E
Small,
smaller
lot
sizes
provide
more
affordable
home
sites
that
are
comparable
to
those
found
in
adjacent
planned
development
to
the
north,
north
lake,
tarpon,
okay,
so
supposedly,
and
help
me
here,
a
smaller
lot.
Size
is
somehow
better
for
a
homeowner
or
if
the
standard
or
the
plan
was
10
000
square
foot,
because
it
was
decided
by
a
group
that
lot
sizes
should
be
10
000
square
feet
for
a
residential
home
that
somehow
it's
a
superior
alternative.
If
they're
made
half
as
large.
E
K
We
agree,
it
was
a
superior
alternative
was
one
yes,
it
provides
an
alternate
option
for
people
to
have
single-family
homes
within
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
It
allows
for
development
of
a
property,
that's
lower
than
the
density.
That's
permitted
on
the
on
the
site
by
also
still
again
providing
another
option
to
develop
for
single
family
or.
A
K
E
Okay,
super
one
more
question,
so
the
other
waiver
request
for
the
sidewalk
and
the
the
element,
the
review
criteria
that
was
chosen
is
technical
impractibility.
K
So
one
of
the
waiver
criteria
is
technical
and
practicality.
K
It
says
we're
strict
application
of
the
requirement
would
be
technically
impractical
in
terms
of
engineering
design,
construction
practices,
which
will
be
realized
so
again
from
a
staff
perspective.
This
is
existing
this
stormwater
drain
here
right.
E
K
It's
not
just
a
judge,
it
has,
I
mean
it
serves
a
purpose.
There's
also,
I
think,
even
bigger
than
the
swale
is
the
presence
of
these
concrete
structures,
they're,
probably
related
to
culverts
or
whatnot,
related
to
the
engineering
and
design
of
the
ditch.
So
again,
you
know
we
believe
there
is
a
technical
and
practicality
for
this
particular
frontage.
D
K
K
That
was
what
staff's
perspective
was.
There
is
a
pedestrian
facility
on
the
north
side
that
is
ideal,
so
providing
some
sort
of
access
from
the
neighborhood
over
there
could
give
them
that.
B
Connection,
you
know
it
seems
that
we
get,
I
won't
say
bombarded,
but
we
get
an
awful
lot
of
requests,
an
awful
lot
of
requests
with
regard
to
reducing
lot
sizes.
My
question
this
is
probably
to
staff
or
some
of
the
staff
to
think
about
is.
Why
does
the
city
just
look
at
reducing
lot
sizes
than
having
lot
sizes
at
10
000
square
square
feet,
and
we
have
to
grant
a
variance
or
something
every
time
somebody
wants
to
build
something
I
I
just.
K
A
great
observation,
so
you
know
as
we
we
go
through
we're
you
know
currently
in
the
process
of
updating
our
comprehensive
plan.
That's
going
to
ultimately
give
us
a
roadmap
to
do
updates
to
our
land
development
code,
which
is
where
those
minimum
lot
sizes
are
and
that's
something.
We
definitely
will
take
a
look
at.
A
A
A
A
B
So
thanks
for
that
observation,
oh
thank
you
and
one
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
have,
and
maybe
maybe
the
applicant
can
address
them.
This
is
a
heavily
heavily
wooded
piece
of
property
and
one
of
the
things
I
I
really
can't
stand
is
when
somebody
starts
clear
cutting.
I
know
we've
got
a
tree
ordinance.
B
K
There
are
requirements
in
our
tree
ordinance
and
that's
something.
That's
looked
at
the
preliminary
in
both
a
final
plan,
so
they
have
to
basically
do
a
survey
of
all
the
existing
trees
sizes.
You
know
the
health
of
the
tree
and
whatnot
to
determine
you
know
replacement.
What
not,
I
don't
necessarily
believe
pat
do.
They
have
to
preserve
existing
trees
if
they
remove,
they
have
to
replace
correct.
K
B
J
K
So
typically
it's
the
applicant.
They
come
up
with
a
proposal
and
request
it
during
the
review
of
this
application
is
where
we
uncovered
the
two
waivers
just
saying
you
need
a
sidewalk,
otherwise
a
waiver
request,
so
it's
usually
staff
identifying
deficiencies
with
the
code
and
or
the
applicant
requesting
them
on
their
own.
J
K
So
this
is
so.
This
is
the
request
that
they
have.
Are
these
dimensions?
Ultimately,
if
it
gets
approved,
those
dimensions
are
written
in
an
ordinance
and
then
they're
basically
preserved.
So
when
a
home
is
proposed
for
development
and
they
have
a
building
permit
come
in,
we
make
sure
that
those
setbacks
and
those
dimensions
match
and
then,
as
far
as
the
lot
dimensions,
that's
verified
during
the
planning
process
and
final
development
plan.
Okay,.
F
I
have
a
couple
questions:
the
I'm
not
I'm
not
being
rude
and
playing
with
my
phone,
I'm
actually
looking
at
something
here,
I
so
the
the
so
the
sidewalk
will
be
on
the
jasmine
okay
on
jet
and
that
that
would
be
the
more
walkable
part
of
the
of
that
development.
F
So
with
my
trusty
little
distance
calculator
so
from
that
that
development
to
cvs
pharmacy
is
one
third
of
a
mile-
okay,
so
which
is
walkable
right
and
to
to
the
about
this.
You
know
about
the
starbucks
there.
It
comes
out
to
seven
tenths
of
a
mile,
so
that
is
and-
and
I
know
in
the
in
the
code
in
the
comprehensive
code,
we
want
to
encourage
developments
that
have
the
ability
to
have
use
their
cars
less
and
walk
places
right
correct.
F
F
So,
but
my
question
is:
is
there
sidewalk
access,
okay,
they're,
going
to
do
their
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
development,
but
is
there
sidewalk
access
that
somebody
could
walk
from
that
development
to
cvs
or
across
the
street?
I
know
they
can
get
across
19.,
there's
a
there's,
a
thing
for
pedestrians,
but
is
there
enough
sidewalk
access
for
them
from
that
development
to
walk
over
to
cvs.
K
F
If
they
wanted
to
come
from
jasmine,
if
they
want
to
come
down
jasmine
and
then
take
a
right
on
tarpon
avenue
to
then
go
over
to
cvs,
there
are.
K
A
A
There
was
a
program
sidewalk
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
rose
hill
cemetery,
so
that's
programmed,
I
believe,
it'll
be
built
this
year
next
and
then
the
applicant
would
be
putting
their
sidewalk
the
piece
that
will
still
be
missing
in
in
the
foreseeable
future
budget
wise.
It's
the
rose
hill
cemetery
piece.
I
don't
know
when
that
would
be
programmed
and
the
rest
is.
Is
there
or
imminent.
B
B
B
Okay
and
the
way
the
way
tarpon
springs
is,
is
reaching
build
out.
I
think
the
applicant
would
make
more
money
selling
it
off
at
funeral
plots
in
the
future,
but
that's
because
it's
adjacent
to
the
cemetery.
That
being
said,
the
applicant
there's
other
comments
I'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
M
Per
square
foot
george
stamis,
representing
pioneer
developers
of
america,
the
applicant,
so
I
want
to
add
a
little
color
to
the
lot
size
question,
because
I
know
that
was
a
question
here.
The
the
10
000
square,
foot,
r
100
district
is
an
old
tarpon
springs
district
that
many
many
sites
were
zoned
many
years
ago.
M
M
At
any
rate,
three
sides
are
surmounted
by
two
or
two
sides
are
cemeteries,
one's
a
recreational
complex
and
the
opposite.
The
north
side
we
built
many
years
ago,
is
north
lakes,
and
those
are
small
lot
sizes
that
were
established
for
that
area.
Many
many
years
ago
we
also
built
the
town
homes
at
north
lake,
just
to
the
south
of
that
which
are
town
homes,
and
then
we
have
another
townhome
community,
currently
being
developed
across
the
street
on
the
west
side.
So
it's
all
small
lot:
subdivisions,
cemeteries
and
sports
complexes
around
this
property.
M
M
I
don't
know
if
you've
been
there
yet,
but
it's
on
the
opposite
bank
of
the
anclote
river
and
on
on
anclote
road
on
one
side
and
eleanor
boulevard.
On
the
other
side,
it's
a
11
acre
site
and
we
have
54
homes
on
it.
Take
a
look:
they're,
beautiful
and
the
lots
are
good
size.
Even
though
I
know
that
it's
not
10
000
square
feet,
they
live
well
and
the
people
are
very
happy
with
the
lot
sizes
there.
It's
really
the
appropriate
lot
size
for
that
particular
area
based
on
the
surroundings.
M
As
far
as
the
sidewalks
go.
No,
that
was
a
question.
I
know
the
city
has
programmed
sidewalks
to
fill
in
that
gap
from
rose
rose,
cemetery
heading
to
the
south,
all
the
way
to
keystone
and
then
we'll
fill
in
the
section
in
front
of
our
project,
which
will
make
a
continuous
sidewalk
we
built
sidewalks
when
we
built
north
lakes
years
ago,
so
it'd
be
a
continuous
sidewalk
there.
I
believe
that's
programmed
for
this
year
with
the
city,
and
that
would
fill
in
that
that
run
of
sidewalks
on
the
melon
street
side.
M
It's
not
just
a
ditch.
It
was
a
drainage
facility
built
for
mellon
street
drainage
and
we
built
melon
street
too
for
the
city
years
ago,
but
we
didn't
put
that
drainage
facility
and
they
came
in
later
and
built
a
very
wide.
Ditch
there
with
concrete
baffles
about
every
50
feet
going
across
the
technical
and
practicality
is
there's
just
no
space
to
build
a
sidewalk.
It's
it's
would
be
almost
physically
impossible
to
do
underground,
vault
storage
there
for
for
the
drainage
there.
M
It
would
just
not
make
any
sense
at
all,
so
the
idea
was,
since
we
have
the
beautiful
trail
right
across
melon
street,
to
provide
a
crossing
a
safe
crossing
for
residents.
To
go
to
the
trail
and
to
your
point,
you
could
ride
your
bike
downtown
you
could
ride.
You
know
you
get
a
lot
of
places
either
walking
or
by
bike
on
that
trail,
and
then
you'd
also
have
the
sidewalks
for
walking.
M
I
think
it's
a
great
it's
a
good
plan.
It's
the
right
size,
lots
and
I
want
to
say
one
more
thing
about
rpd,
because
we've
done
a
lot
of
rpd
residential
plan
development
is
a
very
common
zoning.
It's
not
always
called
rpd,
it's
called
different
things
in
different
places,
but
it's
supposed
to
be
a
flexible
zoning
category
that
lets
you
design,
setbacks
and
lot
sizes
and
a
lot
of
other
dimensional
criteria
to
fit
an
appropriate
circumstance.
M
M
In
fact,
pinellas
county
has
a
new
euclidean
zoning
called
r5
just
to
accommodate
small
lot
subdivisions
which
allow
lots
down
to
3
500
square
feet
with
very
reduced
sizes
and
reduced
setbacks,
because
they're
they're
acknowledging
that
the
the
whole
movement
towards
home
sizes
and
home
lot
sizes
with
the
limited
amount
of
land
in
pinellas
county
is
getting
smaller
and
they
have
to
be
smaller
lots
and,
of
course,
the
cost
of
lands
going
up.
M
So
we're
trying
to
make
affordable
housing
for
people
who
want
to
live
in
our
county,
and
so
so
that's
kind
of
like
the
the
reason
why
you're
seeing
all
these
variants
requested
requested,
not
all
of
them.
There's
some
dimensional
requests
in
a
zoning
criteria.
That's
normally
meant
to
be
flexible
and
tarpon's
is
broken.
Their
rpd,
their
rpd
ordinance
is
broken.
That
needs
to
be
revamped,
and
I
think
everybody
here
at
the
planning
department
will
acknowledge
that
that's
upcoming,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
done.
Any
other
questions
that
I
can
answer.
M
Those
trees
were
planted
west
ones,
but
how
many
years
ago,
about
20
years
ago,
we've
replanted
that
per
the
city,
ordinances
with
oak
trees,
mostly
and
other
the
trees,
are
enormous.
20
years
later,
it
looks
like
a
forest
and
they're
in
the
right
place.
You
know
there
weren't,
you
know
you
didn't
have
to
you
put
them
where
you
needed
to
have
them
to
get
the
shade
that
you
needed
and
to
get
the
tree
street
canopies
that
you
want,
and
you
know
it
look.
M
They
look
twiggy
when
you
first
plant
them,
but
20
years
later
it
looks
like
a
mature
matured,
forested
subdivision
and
that's
that's
what
we
end
up
with
with
new
subdivisions.
Now,
as
you
have
a
planting
requirement
and
it's
to
your
benefit
to
plant
as
many
as
you
can,
rather
than
pay
the
the
fees
for
the
inches
that
you
don't
plant.
So
you
want
to
plant
well
and
plant
in
the
right
places,
and
I
know
it's
not
as
good
as
a
nutri
a
tree.
F
B
F
My
office,
we
planted
a
oak
tree
and
now.
M
M
They're
pretty
heavy
duty
and
tarpon
on
the
on
the
fees
right.
E
Mr
stamis,
yes,
obviously
you're
well
known,
and
I
don't,
and
there
was
no
disrespect
when
I
was
hammering
on
the
lot
sizes.
The
challenges
are.
Those
are
the
rules
we're
supposed
to
work
with,
and
you
know
that
and
yes,
pat,
has
reminded
us
several
times
at
the
rpd
districts
are
supposed
to
be
their
own
set,
but
it
doesn't
say
that
anywhere
I
understand
and
and
we've
had
this
plan
that
we're
supposed
to
follow-
and
it
just
seems
like
all
we're
ever
asked-
is
to
change
and
deviate
and
not
stick
to
that
plan.
M
E
B
B
N
N
There's
something
on
facebook.
It
says
it
seems,
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
I'll
input.
This
and
the
applicant
would
could
and
should
realize
this
parcel
of
land
would
could
and
should
be
needed.
As
future
cemetery
expansion,
it
borders,
rose
cemetery
and
it's
across
the
street
from
cycadia
cemetery.
This
parcel
of
land
has
a
logical
use
for
departed
residents,
not
future
residents.
At
some
point
I
mean
we
all.
I
think
a
lot
of
us
are
thinking
this
and
nobody
wants
to
say
it
and
I'm
turning
into
an
old
greek,
lady
and
I'll
say
it
quite
often.
O
F
O
Good
questions,
I
I'm
really
impressed
with
you
guys
now
on
page
three
of
the
staff
report
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
staff
analysis,
blah
blah
blah,
the
proposed
development
has
been
determined
to
be
generally
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
city
comprehensive
plan
again
y'all
had
an
issue
before
about
this.
On
balancing
this
generally
one,
I
didn't
see
any
backup
in
here
about
what
parts
of
the
comp
plan
they
are
consistent
with
and
which
ones
they
weren't
consistent
with
now.
On
page.
O
Four
of
five
relation
to
major
transfer
transportation
facilities.
I
didn't
see
a
traffic
study.
I
know
it's
only
18
units,
but
you
and
I
know
as
well
that
people
are
going
to
go
out.
Melon
they're,
going
to
go
to
jasmine
turn
left
go
to
the
light
because
that's
where
it's
protected
to
get
in
and
out
of
town,
I
was
driving
up
that
way.
Today,
four
o'clock
traffic
was
backed
up
all
the
way
to
jasmine
and
you're,
going
to
add
more
traffic
coming
in.
O
So
one
on
that,
where
is
the
traffic
analysis
and
environmental
design
number
six
properties
now
located
in
environmentally
sensitive
area?
Really
all
those
trees
look
at
look
at
the
diagram
here.
Is
that
not
environmentally
sensitive
areas?
And
if
you
read
their
actual
environmental
study,
they
looked
for
various
species,
they
did
find
some
gopher
tortoise
holes,
but
they
were
only
there
one
day,
one
day
and
then
lastly,
on
this
environmental
design,
it
says
here,
however,
this
site
is
adjacent
to
the
rose
cemetery.
South
and
maybe
archaeological
resources
in
proximity
is
recommended
level.
O
One
cultural
resource
assessment
survey
could
be
complete
at
the
time
of
final
plan
development.
I
happened
to
drive
through
rose
cemetery
on
saturday,
because
I
wanted
to
drive
by
the
property.
That's
how
I
saw
the
sign
and
realize
the
hearing
tonight,
a
class
one
survey
usually
does
borings
and
diggings.
O
There
should
be
some
requirement
that
there
is
some
kind
of
electronic
or
ultrasound
to
see
if
they're
not
grave
sites
anywhere
on
what
might
be
cypress
road
platted
or
into
this
property,
because
before
cypress
street
road
was
planted,
there
were
grave
sites.
I
we
saw
some
there
from
the
early
early
1900s
couple.
There
were
from
originally
the
late
1800s,
so
one
there
definitely
needs
to
be
some
type
of
a
study
to
see
because
you've
read
in
the
past,
clearwater
tampa
big
thing
in
tampa.
They
had
all
that
school
in
those
apartments
on
the
cemetery.
O
What
they
have
to
do.
They
have
to
go
back
and
deal
with
it
afterwards,
so
that
should
be
a
requirement,
so
you
should
be
having,
and
it
was
mentioned.
Mr
cuscudas
came
to
one
of
the
meetings
about
how
these
projects
are
presented
to
you
all,
and
then
information
comes
back
later.
That
may
have
changed
your
determination.
O
B
P
Good
evening,
chairman
and
board
members
also
members
of
the
staff,
robert
rockline
755,
north
lake
boulevard,
tarpon
springs
just
for
reference.
I'm
about
ten
lots
north
of
the
proposed
development
in
the
one
of
the
communities
that
the
applicant
has
built
in
the
past
on
what
was
probably
insufficient
lots
even
at
that
time.
So
I've
been
there
for-
I
guess
about
eight
months
now
or
so
I'm
a
member
of
the
hoa
board,
and
I'm
not
here
in
opposition
to
any
of
this
at
all.
P
Nor
am
I
aware
of
any
opposition
in
our
community.
It's
more
just
informational.
I
know
this
is
only
the
the
first
step
in
a
long
process,
but
we
did
have
some
concerns.
Some
comments
that
I'd
like
to
state
for
consideration.
I
may
or
may
not
get
to
some
of
the
further
meetings
down
the
road
site
plans
such
as
this
one
concern
with
us
being
somewhat
adjacent
to.
It
is,
of
course,
the
construction
entry
and
exit
we'll
cross
that
bridge
when
we,
when
we
get
to
it.
P
I
know
the
final
egress
to
mellon
street
is
offset
from
north
lake
boulevard.
That's
that's
always
good!
You
don't
want
to
create
a
a
t.
If
you
don't
have
to
you,
know,
there's
there's
pros
and
cons
to
both
from
a
traffic
safety
study.
P
Melon
street
is
increasing
in
volume
somewhat,
even
in
the
short
time
that
I've
been
there.
So
is
jasmine.
People
use
it
as
a
cut
through
from
keystone
to
19,
and
maybe
sometimes
vice
versa,
but
more
so
in
the
morning
going
up
for
for
people
heading
north,
but
it
becomes
a
a
way
to
get
around
things
that
people
acclimate
themselves
to.
Obviously
so
I've
seen
the
I've
seen
the
volume
increase
slightly
at
the
very
end
of
keystone
on
melon
there's
a
double
yellow
line.
P
Perhaps
before
any
any
construction
activity
takes
place,
the
city
could
continue
that
double
double
yellow
line
all
the
way
to
jasmine,
maybe
some
other
type
of
road
diet
or
other
traffic
calming
measures,
or
something
like
that.
Just
to
just
to
be
proactive
for
safety.
The
the
cut
through,
like
I
said,
is,
is
real.
It's
that's
one
thing
that's
been
commented
greatly
in
our
community.
People
have
noticed
it
getting
more
and
more
the
sidewalk
waiver
granting
that
you
know
I
don't
I've.
Never
seen
anybody
walk
on
that
side
of
the
street.
P
I
have
seen
people
walk
on
jasmine
on
a
fairly
regular
basis
to
and
from,
although
not
not
that
many,
maybe
you
know
six
to
ten
a
day
that
I
see
on
melon,
nobody,
except
on
the
trail
side.
So
once
again,
if
you're
gonna
have
a
crosswalk
traffic
safety
becomes
a
concern
because
that's
one
end
to
the
other
and
I've
seen
people.
P
You
know
step
on
the
step
on
the
gas
because
they
feel
it's
kind
of
a
free,
freeway
and
there's
good
sight
lines,
so
double
yellow
line
and
some
other
considerations,
especially
if
you're
going
to
put
pedestrians
on
there
that
that's
important
the
landscaping
plan
and
environmental
concerns,
of
course,
should
be
paramount
and
stuff
like
this
development.
Unfortunately,
you
know
usually
when
you,
when
you
clear
a
lot
because
of
foundation
and
subterranean
infrastructure
and
such
like
that
roadways
drainage,
it's
almost
a
given.
P
So
if
the
developer
can't
preserve
something
mature
here
and
there
that's
great-
if
not,
we-
we
consider
oak
trees
in
our
community
a
blessing
and
a
curse,
because
a
lot
of
the
leaves
and
things
come
down
and
stain,
sidewalks
and
driveways,
but
they
are
beautiful
trees.
So
perhaps
you
know
be
guided
by
the
the
city
arborist
and
such
like
that.
But
more
is
certainly
better
and
you
know
the
growth
does
occur.
P
I'm
involved
in
zoning
and
developmental
concerns
up
north
still
people,
it's
the
one
thing
people
complain
about
the
most,
but
two
years
later,
five
years
later,
you
don't
hear
a
peep.
I
noticed
on
the
site
plan
and
I
only
printed
out
copies
last
week
at
work,
there's
some
sort
of
pumping
station
on
the
on
the
north
side.
I
don't
know
if
that's
for
sewerage
or
water
or
drainage
or
whatever
it
may
not
be
defined
as
of
yet.
P
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
alternative
location
for
that,
but
that
was
one
thing
that
the
the
community
members
brought
up
after
reviewing
that
site
plan,
the
the
affordability
that
smaller
lots
bring.
That's
generally
a
good
thing.
You
want!
You
want
to
provide
to
a
greater
spectrum
of
of
home.
Buyer
prices
are
going
up,
land
prices
going
up,
construction
and
material
prices
are
going
up
a
lot
of
developers
where
I
come
from
up
north
for
even
smaller
subdivisions
like
this.
P
Sometimes
the
jurisdictions
almost
mandate
a
little
greater
affordability
to
one
or
two
of
the
units.
Sometimes
it's
10,
sometimes
it's
15.,
just
something
to
consider
going
forward
to
say:
hey,
let's
have
an
auction
for
a
family,
that's
in
dire
need
and
let's
give
them
the
same
opportunity.
Sometimes
it's
one
house,
sometimes
it's
two
houses
for
a
subdivision,
this
side,
it's
always
nice
to
see,
and
that
may
be
something
for
the
the
plans
going
forward
with
the
city.
P
So
this
project,
of
course,
is
much
lower
in
magnitude
than
some
of
the
other
big
things
that
you've
been
dealing
with
lately.
Generally
there's
you
know
not
as
much
negative
impact
because
of
that,
but
there
are
still
you
know,
concerns
and,
of
course,
the
loss
of
open
space.
P
You
know
every
every
every
camel
has
its
own
back
and
who
knows
if
it's
this
straw
or
that
straw
that
finally
breaks
it
so
like
other
people
have
have
mentioned,
you
know
if
you're
constantly
knocking
off
open
space
out
of
the
city,
we're
gonna
have
one,
you
know
generally
paved
developed
area.
So
you
know
whenever
possible-
and
you
gentlemen,
seem
very
very
considerate
of
the
big
picture
which
we
greatly
appreciate.
P
So
you
know
you
just
you
have
to
look
at
it.
You,
we
always
say
think
think
local
think
regional,
but
act,
local.
That's
that's
your
charge
here.
So
I
want
to
wish
all
of
you
a.
D
B
Too
I
do.
I
do
have
a
follow-up
question
with
staff
it.
Actually
it
has
to
do
with
what
mr
delaca
said
and
it
just
just
so
I'm
clear
the
size
of
this
project.
Obviously
I
think
he
was
referencing
when
we
had
to
get
traffic
studies
for
the
larger
project.
There
is
a
number
okay
or
a
unit
number
that
triggers
a
traffic
study.
A
A
B
A
A
A
F
K
So
that's
why
we
recommended
doing
an
archaeological
survey
as
part
of
the
review
again,
I'm
a
sort
of
pat
she's,
more
of
an
expert.
A
There
were
two
reasons:
there
are
archaeological
sites
within
close
enough
proximity
not
associated
to
the
site
file
on
I'm
sorry
with
the
cemetery
on
the
master
site
file
and
then,
of
course,
the
adjacent
cemetery.
A
They
look
at
master
site
file,
they
they
look
at.
You
know,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
else
involved
they
do
go
on
the
property.
They
look
at
the
history
of
the
property.
A
A
F
But
is,
is
that
a-
and
this
may
be
for
the
city
attorney?
Is
that
an
exceptional,
an
acceptable
add-on
to
emotion
that
that
that's
a
study
like
that
be
made.
G
Well,
I
think
that
and
of
course
I
would
defer
to
to
staff
on
this,
but
I
think
that
the
because
this
is
a
preliminary
review-
the
I
believe
there
is
an
archaeological
study-
that's
recommended,
so
that
can
be
part.
Obviously
a
part
of
the
condition
of
recommendation
for
approval
to
the
commission,
but
expanding
the
scope
of
what's
required.
G
Underneath
your
code,
I
think,
becomes
a
little
bit
problematic.
So
while
you
can
recommend
that
the
archaeological
study
be
done,
I
don't
believe
I
don't
believe
it
would
be
a
reasonable
recommendation
under
the
law
to
require
a
to
add
specifications
for
what
that
archaeological
review
needs
to.
I
I
Yeah,
it's
the
closest
to
the
border
of
the
rose
cemetery.
There.
I
One
other
thing,
though,
this
is
kind
of
a
model
of
what
we're
doing
at
river
bend,
which
george
stam
has
pointed
out,
and
the
average
price
in
there,
and
this
is
affordable.
Housing
for
pinellas
county
is
probably
in
the
high
300
range,
so
we're
not
talking
about
building
something
that
would
be
ashamed
of
in
the
town
and
when
you're
looking
at
the
overall
average
of
homes
in
tarpon
springs,
I
think
it
would
be
enhancement
to
it,
but
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
work
with
amount
of
lots.
B
D
K
Can
I
ask
a
question?
Yeah
staff
also
had
four
other
recommended
conditions.
I
just
want
clarity
for
your
motion.
Is
it
just
to
have
the
condition
for
the
survey
or.
G
B
G
G
F
Okay,
so
sir,
the
the
recommendation
is
already
in
there
correct.
K
E
I
think
it's
obvious
that
this
was
a
great
example
of
how
these
good
well-designed
projects
are
running
up
against
old
rules,
that
we
know
we're
going
to
clarify
and
then
a
sense
of
urgency
that
that
we
get
that,
so
that
I
don't
have
to
make
a
fool
of
myself.
No.
E
B
Okay,
roll
call
please.
J
J
B
B
Okay,
that
being,
let
me
hit
the
gavel
with
that
one:
okay,
next
item
on
the
agenda,
I
believe
we're
gonna
go
back
and
discuss
the
minutes,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
five
minute
break.
G
N
G
B
Go
ahead
and
reconvene
the
meeting
at
this
point
in
time
we
did
defer
the
the
minutes
or
the
approval
of
the
minutes
to
later
on.
So
let's
start,
if
it's,
if
it's
this
board's,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion,
so
we
can
open
the
discussion
with
regard
to
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes.
A
And
just
for
everybody's
information,
so
what
you
have
before
you
is
a
copy
of
an
email
that
was
sent
to
you
from
from
kim
our
board
secretary.
A
The
email
had
the
live
links
of
the
different
points
in
the
tape
where
she
went
back
and
reviewed
what
was
actually
said,
that
copy
of
that
email
is
on
top
of
the
minutes
and
in
the
correct
admittance.
E
E
E
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
and
give
a
personal
thank
you
to
miss
the
others
who
took
the
time
to
call
me
and
and
put
everything
out
there
just
the
way.
I
asked,
and
I
appreciate
that.
I
also
appreciate
how
difficult
it
is
to
do
the
verbatim
and
there's
now
a
notation
that
this
is
a
more
succinct.
I'm
not
going
to
read
that
disclaimer,
but
I
think
that's
important
from
historical
perspective
from
anybody.
Looking
back
about
what
was
discussed
exactly.
B
B
And
I
I
too
want
to
add
my
thanks
because,
let's
be
honest,
you
know
we
need
a
clear
record
of
where
we
stood
in
this
process.
Sure
whether
you
know
not
naive
to
think
that
this
not
this
process
is
not
going
to
be
litigated
and
where,
where
we
stand
is,
I
think,
is
important
to
any
any
process
or
any
litigation
that
moves
forward.
B
So
that
being
said,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
with
regard
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
So
I'd
like
a
roll
call,
please.
B
B
A
Yes,
I
emailed
you
earlier
today
the
2022
hearing
schedule
and
we
passed
a
copy
of
that
out.
Just
just
to
note
again,
members
have
asked
in
the
past
about
projects
that
may
be
coming
to.
You
eventually
just
make
a
note
of
the
technical
review
committee
meeting
dates.
Agendas
are
generally
posted
for
those
meetings
about
a
week
ahead
of
time,
so.
A
The
other
thing
is,
we
have
kicked
off
and
started
our
comprehensive
plan
update
process,
so
we
will
be
giving
you
regular
updates.
So
at
your
next
meeting,
we'll
be
giving
you
an
update
presentation
we'll
be
doing
that
monthly
on
where
we're
at
with
that
process,
and
you
should
be
looking
for
additional
communications
on
workshops
to
be
held
in
february,
we're
looking
at
february
and
april
that
you
will
be
asking
you
to
participate
in
those.
So
that's.
B
It
hey
with
regard
to
any
board
comments.
B
I
I
do
have
one
I
first
of
all
we're
getting
close,
obviously
the
end
of
the
year,
and
obviously
I
want
to
thank
everybody
and
wish
everybody
a
happy
holiday
number
one.
Thank
you
just
my
observation.
Since
I've
been
on
the
board
that
we're
starting
a
new
year,
I
think-
and
I
want
to
congratulate
this
board-
I
think
the
professionalism
and
the
thought
out
process
this
board
has
exhibited
in
its
decision.
It's
it's
its
analysis
of
the
applications.
B
I
I
think
is
accommodate
a
very
accommodation
of
this
board,
maybe
said
the
wrong
word,
but
I
just
you
know
kudos
to
the
board.
Let's
put
it
that
way.
I
also
I
will
not
be
at
the
next
meeting
in
january,
I'll,
be
playing
baseball.
B
Again,
that
being
said,
unless
there's
any
other
comments,
I'm
gonna
join
the
meeting
at
8
53.
There
will
be
none
adjourned.