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A
A
C
A
D
Question
before
I
vote
okay,
I
was
going
through
the
minutes
real,
quick
quickly
that
I
noticed
there
are
some
inconsistencies
in
the
minutes.
Let
me
see
where
I
had
noted.
D
D
You
know
the
question
was
safer
at
no
time
did
the
did
the
the
the
presenter
or
the
the
traffic
engineer
for
that
the
city
hired
mentioned
that
it
was
safe,
even
though
her
testimony
indicated
it
was
safe
at
the
commission
meeting,
I
think
she
was
asked
multiple
times
if
it
was
safe
or
safer
and
both
all
times
she
said
it
was
safer,
not
safe,
but
I
want
to
make
that
noted.
D
Let's
see
on
page
nine.
D
D
The
miss
hess
noted
that
the
other
full
median
openings
had
more
conflict
points
than
what
the
applicant
proposed
for
the
project.
What
I
remember
in
the
discussion
was,
it
was
asked
again
if
it
was
safe
or
safer
and
again
the
response
was.
It
was
safer,
not
safe,
which
was
different
testimony
at
the
at
the
commission
meeting,
and
I
just
want
that
note.
D
Also.
There
was
a
question
with
regard
to:
where
is
it
at.
D
Mitigation
as
to
as
to
what
the
applicant
indicated
as
far
as
mitigation
was
concerned
as
to
the
number
of
of
peak
trips,
and
I
think
the
developer
or
the
applicant
said
that
there
were
opportunities
for
pinellas
and
pasco
bus
routes.
D
But
in
fact
ms
vincent
noted
ms
vincent
notes
in
here
there
was
ongoing
coordination
with
these
agencies
for
services
as
needed.
And,
if
I
remember
renee,
the
the
testimony
was
that
both
pinellas
and
pasco
declined
to
put
a
bus.
Stop
at
that
location.
When
queried-
and
I
know
I
wonder
if
that
should
be
noted
in
the
record
as
well.
E
Keep
in
mind
these
are
action
minutes.
This
is
not
the
record.
The
record
is
the
actual
recording
of
the
meeting.
So
whatever
changes
you're
proposing
here
tonight,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
kim
go
back
and
check
the
record
to
make
sure
what
the
exact
information
is.
F
And
could
we
get
the
page
number
for
that?
Second
change
that
mr
couscout
has
put.
C
It,
yes,
I
have
one
more
just
because
we're
going
straight
to
roll
call
before
any
discussion.
I
also
have
some
concerns
about
the
verbiage,
and
I
know
this
is
just
the
printed
portion
of
it,
but
I
want
to
go
back
and
check
the
meeting
that
it's
being
represented
the
way
it
was
actually
discussed
at
that
time.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
as
part
of
the
discussion.
E
C
Thank
you
for
asking
specifically
in
reference
to
my
own
questions
in
regards
to
the
school
bus
stops
and
then,
and
what.
C
since
they're,
not
paragraph
numbered,
we'll
just
say
page
11,
halfway
down
and
then
I'm
also
concerned
about
page
12
in
regards
to
bottom
up
page
12.
Mr
morgan
asks
mr
penny
about
the
site
flooding
and
that
there
was
a
note
that
an
engineer
designed
this
site
not
to
flood.
I
don't
recall
that
conversation
or
that
statement
being
made
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
double
check.
It.
G
And
further
page
six,
it
quotes
me
as
asking
about
bikes.
E
Keep
in
mind
these
are
not
quotations.
These
are
action
minutes,
so
they
are
not
a
verbatim
transcript
of
the
meeting
as
it
was
held.
So
I
would
just
say
if
there,
whatever
other
things,
that
you
wish
the
secretary
to
check
on,
I
think
kim
can
go
back
and
compare
it
to
the
record.
But
again
these
are
just
action.
Minutes.
A
G
A
Okay,
can
we
have
a
roll
call,
please.
C
C
A
A
All
right,
I
believe,
john
coulianus
needed
to
make
a
brief
comment.
G
Yeah,
I
cleared
this
with
the
chairman
that
that
I
have
a
personal
issue
that
I
have
to
attend
to
tonight,
so
I'm
going
to
be
leaving
the
meeting,
but
I
wanted
to
on
the
I'm
on
the
record
to
express
how
proud
I
am
of
mike
of
micah
scootas,
and
him
representing
you
know
not
officially
representing
this
this
board,
but
I
concur
with
everything
that
he
said
at
the
board
of
commission
meetings
and
it
was
a
little
discerning
that
we
had
done.
G
I,
in
my
opinion,
an
exceptional
job
of
questioning
and
and
analyzing
the
the
proposal,
and
that
only
one
commissioner
mentioned
us
in
any
of
the
deliberations
and
any
of
the
questioning
during
that
entire
board
of
commissioner,
what
two
or
three
or
how
many
days,
ordeal
that
was,
but
I'm
proud
of
this
this
board
and
the
work
we
did
and
I'm
exceptionally
proud
of
mike
scootis.
Thank
you,
john.
A
A
H
Good
evening
renee
vincent
planning
and
zoning
director,
as
you
know,
this
came
before
the
board
last
month
for
consideration
and
ultimately
the
board
did
deny
it.
I
wanted
to
bring
this
back
for
reconsideration
and
to
provide
some
additional
information.
We
did
provide
the
pinellas
county
ordinance
as
well
as
saint
pete's.
You
know
the
the
subject
of
this
is
to
create
and
adopt
a
property
rights
element
which
is
required
by
florida
statutes
in
the
staff
report.
You
know
we
identified
the
the
four
the
bulleted
thing.
H
I
do
understand
the
board
is
concerned
about
the
word
balancing.
I
have
absolutely
no
issues
with
removing
that,
as
this
is
drafted
right
now,
I
left
it
the
way
it
was
when
it
came
to
the
board
before
I
would
propose
that
under
goal,
one
which
currently
reads
the
city
shall
ensure
that
regulatory
and
land
use
decisions
are
based
upon
a
balancing
of.
We
would
strike
a
balancing
of
and
just
leave
it,
as
is
from
that
point
forward.
H
You
know
what
we're
trying
to
do
really
is
make
sure
that
you
know
when
the
legislature
adopted
this.
You
know
they
they
kind
of
put
their
thumb
on
the
scale
a
little
bit
toward
property
rights,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
ensure
with
this
is
that
property
rights
don't
become
an
overriding
consideration
at
the
expense
of
the
rest
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
H
So
I
do
understand
you
know
the
concerns
that's
already
been
expressed
about
the
balancing,
so
I
would
propose
that
we
would
just
remove
that
and
then
believe,
mr
mr
cascudas
had
brought
up
under
policy
1.1.1,
which
those
are
the
actual
enumerated
items
straight
out
of
the
state
statute.
Number
four,
the
right
of
the
property
entered
to
dispose
of
his
or
her
property.
Mr
cascudas
had
brought
up.
H
There
are
other
ownership
entities,
so
I
would
just
propose
that
that
be
rewarded,
reworded
to
read
as
the
right
of
a
property
owner
to
dispose
of
his
her
or
other
ownership
entity
property
through
the
sale
or
through
sailor
gift.
So
with
that,
I
will
stop
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
D
Renee,
I
actually
I
get
I
get.
I
actually
paid
attention
to
them.
I
get
legislative,
updated
materials
and
mostly
I
just
glance
through
them
and
not
really
pay
attention
to
them,
but
I
did
see
this
and
as
far
as
the
the
advanced
the
advance
sheets
from
on
the
legislative
proposals,
I
think
there's
actually
some
bills
still
that
are
pending
with
regard
to
property
rights.
I
think
I
don't
know
if
they've
passed
or
not,
but
but
you
know,
there's
heavily
weighted
on
the
health
and
safety
of
of.
D
D
I
got
him,
I
got
him
in
the
florida
bar
a
reptile
book
that
I
get
every
quarter
or
something
like
that
and
I
and
I
kind
of.
E
D
That's
what
I'm
saying
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
passed,
or
that
was
just
a
bill
that
was
in
there,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
substantiate
the
concerns
that
that
was
brought
in
by
the
statute
by
the
legislature.
So
I
just
you
know
we
just
had
a.
I
had
a
problem
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
did
with
the
word
balancing
understand
and
again.
A
E
Yeah,
I
will
say
personal
property
rights
and
have
been
a
hot
topic
in
the
legislature
for
the
past
several
years
versions
of
something
like
this
have
been
before
the
legislature
and
gone
through
committees
several
times
before.
It's
just
the
complement
of
the
legislators
that
are
currently
sitting
what
their
constituents
are
asking
for
and
what
they're
they're
bringing
before
the
body.
E
It
goes
nebs
and
flows.
I
can't
tell
you
the
particular
intent
behind
all
of
this.
Most
of
that's
done
behind
closed
doors
with
various
lobbyists,
but
I
can
tell
you:
there's
been
a
big
push
for
personal
property
rights.
We
saw
some
changes
to
harris
act,
the
property
rights
protection
act
and
some
other
property
rights
elements
coming
up
through
the
legislation
this
past
session,
and
then
this
coming
session,
there's
a
few
more
that
are
set
to
be
presented.
E
So
it's
just
been
a
hot
button
topic
for
a
lot
of
the
larger
players
up
in
the
state
legislature.
H
And
so
far
as
impact
on
on
us
so
later
this
evening
you
actually
have
an
agenda
item
that
has
a
land
use
map
amendment
in
it.
I
can't
submit
that
up
to
the
state
unless
this
goes
with
it
or
is
already
gone.
I
have
you
know
so:
they're
gonna,
they're
gonna
block
us
from
having
any
land
use
map
amendments.
If
we
don't
adopt
this
so.
A
Well-
and
I
I
understand
the
the
need
typically
to
respond
to
whatever
they
do,
because
because
they
have
more
power
than
we
do,
I
guess,
but
I
was
just
curious
because
I
I
thought
people
clearly
have
the
right
to
to
do
certain
things
with
their
property.
It
seems
redundant
to
me,
but
at
any
event
is,
is
there
a
particular
type
of
case
that
you
can
see
that
yeah?
A
H
Thought
I
I'm
as
baffled
as
the
next
person
about
this,
but
I'm
also
never
quite
surprised
by
what
might
come
out
of
our
legislative
body
in
tallahassee.
So
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
they.
This
was,
I
want
to
say
this
went
through
several
different
sessions
before
it
actually
got
adopted,
so
it
was.
It
was
a
work
in
progress
and
you
know
I
I
don't
know
how
else
to
what
else
I
can
add
to
the
conversation.
D
Was
a
great
importance
of
our
our
guests
here
tonight,
but
anyways
application
21-149.
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
the
ordinance
as
amended.
C
C
A
A
A
D
D
A
E
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
a
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
E
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
E
E
A
F
F
Okay,
this
property
is
located.
There
are
two
pieces
of
property
here.
The
primary
one
we're
talking
about
is
a
vacant
lot
on
the
southeast
corner
of
lime,
street
and
safford
avenue,
and
then
that
is
adjacent
to
159,
east
oakwood,
also
owned
by
the
applicant.
F
F
This
is
a
conditional
use
request
for
outdoor
storage
in
the
re
in
the
special
area
plan
in
the
residential
plus
industrial
office
transect,
and
this
is
an
expansion
of
an
existing
business
and
it
is
proposed
to
be
screened
with
heavy
landscaping.
F
This
is
the
vacant
property
or
basically,
the
unbuilt
property.
That
is
the
primary
focus
of
this
application.
It's
basically
used
to
it
had
a
building
on
it.
Previously
that
was
demolished
business
I
believe,
and
what's
left,
is
an
old
asphalt,
parking
lot
or
entrance
and
an
old
drainage
depression
it.
The
rest
of
it
is
is
a
grassed
area.
There
are
some
trees
along
the
west
side,
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
outdoor
storage
on
this
property,
as
well
as
some
on
the
adjacent
property
that
has
a
building
on
it.
F
F
And
there
are
some:
this
is
that
asphalt
parking
area
there
are
some
trees
in
the
area
that
they're
kind
of
working
around.
F
This
is
the
existing
building
to
the
south
where
the
salvage
operation
is
is
conducted,
and
I
believe
they
have
sales
there
and
some
rehab
of
some
of
the
items
that
they
they
obtain.
F
As
you
can
see,
there
is
some
storage
along
the
east
side
of
the
building
adjacent
to
safford
avenue.
The
applicant
has
requested
outdoor
storage
all
the
way
around
this
building.
You
can
also
see
there
is
a
grade
change
there
from
safford.
This
is
the
view
from
the
pinellas
trail:
that's
adjacent
to
the
property,
so
it
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
that
looks
like
this
side,
and
this,
this
whole
property
is
fenced
with
with
a
barbed
wire
on
the
top.
F
This
is
the
built
property.
This
view
from
the
south
from
oakwood
street,
showing
the
the
entrance
in
the
building
and
some
of
the
items
outdoors.
This
is
this
actually
is-
is
more
of
an
outdoor
display
of
merchandise
here,
which
is
prohibited
in
this
transect
in
in
the
special
area
plan.
F
There
are
two
containers
and
then
the
rest
is
pretty
much
open
storage.
This
is
the
built
property.
This
is
the
building
and
there
to
the
west
is
the
outdoor
storage.
The
applicant
would
also
like
to
store
things
to
the
east
along
safford
avenue
that
I
was
showing
you
there's
both
properties
together,
and
this
really
illustrates
where
the
outdoor
storage
is
and
will
be
all
that
blue
shading.
F
F
Proposed
screening:
this
is
the
vacant
lot.
It's
kind
of.
I
just
turned
it
sideways,
so
you
could
see
how
it
matches
up
so
north
is
to
the
right
east
lime,
street
and
the
top
is,
is
west.
The
applicant
proposes
a
solid
landscape,
heavy
landscape
screening
to
screen
that
outdoor
storage-
and
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
and
can
talk
about
what
that
screening
is
to
the
north.
I'm
sorry
to
the
west
is
a
single
family
and
single
family
along
there,
pretty
heavily
treed
already.
F
There
is
one
brazilian
pepper
that
we've
asked
the
applicant
to
remove,
which
he
has
agreed
to
do
so.
That's
pretty
well,
buffered,
obviously,
to
the
south
is
their
other
property,
so
the
main
area
of
buffering
is
along
lime
street
and
then
along
savard
avenue,
and
then
we
are
asking
for
them
to
go
ahead
and
buffer
or
or
screen.
Basically,
all
this
outdoor
storage
along
south
safford
with
landscaping
solid
fence,
something
to
screen
that
of
at
least
five
feet.
F
We're
looking
for
transect
code
wants
screening
between
three
and
eight
feet
and
we're
looking
for
at
least
at
least
five
feet
to
hide
those
items
that
were
we're.
Seeing
being
stored
in
that
area,
so
with
respect
to
your
review
criteria,.
F
Again,
the
this
proposal
does
comply
with
the
land
development
code.
Outdoor
display
of
merchandise
is
not
permitted,
but
it
it
does
comply
if
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
some
sort
sort
of
good
screening
of
that
use.
F
This
is
in
the
south
pinellas
character
district,
which
encourages
a
mix
of
uses.
The
transect
right
along
south
pinellas
avenue
is
more
of
a
retail
mixed-use
residential
transect,
and
then
this
transect
behind
is,
is
all
fault
19.
So
it's
it's.
You
know
trying
to
encourage
a
greater
mix
of
uses
industrial
and
the
uses
that
are
around
here.
I
think
there's
a
paint
equipment
company,
there's
a
business
center,
there's
a
couple:
warehouses,
they're
they're,
pretty
much
clean,
well-run
industries,
and
these
are
the
types
of
of
businesses
we
want
to
encourage
in
this
transect.
F
F
So
this
will
expand
an
existing
warehouse
light.
Industrial
business
and
ex
and
property
values
will
be
maintained
with
this
use
and
with
the
screening.
The
property
is
already
served
by
the
city,
and
this
is
thought
to
be
a
good
use
of
this
existing
infill
area,
so
staff
is
recommending
six
conditions
of
approval.
F
The
outdoor
display
not
be
allowed
that
the
applicant
obtained
building
permits
for
the
containers
building
usually
mostly
reviews
that
they're
anchored
properly,
so
they
need
to
pull
building
permits
for
those
go
ahead
and
do
a
review
of
whatever
signs
are
not
permitted
and
go
ahead
and
get
those
permitted.
F
D
Yes,
I
have
a
question:
the
idea
of
landscaping
as
a
buffering
system
is
there?
Is
there
a
process
in
place,
because
you
know
landscaping
could
be,
it
could
deteriorate,
it
could
die
and
the
purpose
of
the
landscape
buffer
goes
away.
How
is
that
policed
over
time.
F
It
I
mean
the
short
answer
to
that.
Just
like
anything
is
code
enforcement
yeah-
and
you
were
right,
landscaping
is,
can
be
a
little
bit
tough,
sometimes
people
install
the
stuff
and
and
it
dies
or
something
we
could
ask
for
some
sort
of
survivability
guarantee
or
something,
but
on
this
one
we're
looking
for
an
opaque
screen,
and
I
think
that's
you
know
without
going
into
it.
That's
how
this
this.
F
F
I
G
D
And
they
may
not
be
as
diligent
at
maintaining
the
landscaping
number
two.
The
the
second
question
is:
is
there
a
capacity
as
to
number
I
don't
I
would
imagine
this
is
going
to
be,
for
maybe
the
applicant
could
explain
it.
Boats,
cars,
the
other
outdoor
storage,
maybe
I'll
link
the
applicant
to
tell
me
what
is
because
I
don't
know
what
the
capacity
of
of
you
said.
Storage
facility
is
that
indoor
storage.
F
Whatever
is
indoors
is
inside
the
permitted
industrial
use,
but
this
is
outdoor
storage.
The
applicant
has
stated
for
the
technical
review
committee
that
there
won't
be
any
any
chemicals
there.
You
know
a
lot
of
vehicles
or
any
of
that
sort
of
thing.
So
you
know
that
and
fire
marshall
did
review
this
building
reviewed
it
and
and
we're
taking
the
applicant
on
his
word
that
that
this
is
the
types
of
of
architectural
salvage
items
that
he's
storing
there.
Now
we'll
continue
to
be
the
items
required.
C
F
C
F
The
code
enforcement
department
received
a
complaint
about
it.
That's
why
the
applicant
came
in
and
then
what
they
usually
do,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
is
they
send
a
courtesy
letter
first
and
say
hey
we
got
this
complaint
planning
and
zoning
says
you
need
a
site
plan,
so
the
applicant
was
contacted
and
the
applicant
came
in
and
applied
for
this
site
plan
and
conditional
use.
C
C
C
F
Well,
I
mean
you
know,
the
question
is:
can
you
achieve
an
opacity
like
sometimes
you'll
specify
something
like
80
percent
opacity
with
a
hedge?
So
that's
the
question
and
you
you
know
if
you
all
feel
like
a
fence
with
some
plantings
in
front
a
fence
would
be
better.
F
C
Right,
okay
and
then
for
the
submittals,
I'm
just
gonna
hold
it
up
that
that
one
that's
got
the
blue
stuff
on
it
and
then
the
next
one
that's
hand
drawn
that's
geometric.
F
Yeah
and
we
did
go
through
a
couple
iterations
of
submittals
with
this
applicant-
they
originally
proposed
jane.
He
originally
proposed
jane
lincoln.
He
changed
his
mind
to
landscaping.
So
I
would,
I
would
say,
disguise-
and
I
added
this
this
here,
so
you
could
see
the
layout
but
you're
right.
It
still
says
chain
link
fence,
so
we
would
need
to
clarify
with
the
applicant
that
what
the
intent
is
there.
C
And
and
a
further
question
about
outdoor
storage
is
is
because
my
memory
serves
many.
Many
years
ago
we
had
a
landscape
company
that
was
doing
some
outdoor
storage
over
on
the
other
side
of
alt-19
and
he
got
himself
in
a
little
kind
of
in
the
same
place
and
he
was
required
to
put
up
a
taller
fence
and
eight
foot
fence
with
the
screen
on
it.
I
think
forget
the
name
of
that
company,
but
my
question
is
in
the
future:
could
anything
be
stored
there,
such
as
lawn
equipment
or
trucks
or
stuff.
F
Yeah
outdoor
storage
accessory
to
this
business,
so
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
somebody
coming
in,
and
these
slots
are
not
combined.
A
slot
could
be
sold
off
if
somebody's.
If
the
lot
was
sold
off
and
somebody
started
parking
boats
on
it
or
trucks
that
is
not
accessory,
that
is
not
an
accessory
used
to
this
business
and
that's
what
this
outdoor
storage
is
is
is
intended
as
and
being
reviewed
as
the
principal
business
is
on
159
east
oakwood
to
the
south.
C
C
Gonna
find
someone
waving
a
flag,
saying
I've
got
conditional
use
for
outdoor
storage
and
that's
where
I'm
putting
my
lawn
mowing
machines
and
such
that
we
will
have
that
in
verbiage
that
it
either
that
outdoor
use
disappears
completely
or
it
can
be
enforced
in
a
way
that
that
we're
not
setting
a
bad
precedent
for
five
years
down.
The
road.
F
Yes-
and
we
you
know,
if
you
if
we
want
to
add
that
as
a
condition
that
that
would
strengthen
it,
outdoor
storage
permitted
as
accessory
to
or
limited
to
architectural
salvage,
or
something
like
that,
existing
business
and
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant,
I
believe
it
says,
intent
to
eventually
build
a
building
on
this
site.
If
I'm
but
I'll.
Let
him
talk
about
that.
A
We
could
add
a
condition
to
that
effect.
It
would
sure
make
sure
that
that
something
doesn't
happen
in
the
future.
D
D
F
J
F
F
J
F
A
Hearing
none
would
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation
or
answer
questions.
E
L
My
name
is
mike
carr,
you
know
my
home
address
or
this
address
doesn't
matter.
159
east
oakwood
is
the
applicant
address
or
southwest
corner
of
lyman
safford
is.
Is
he
adorable.
D
D
What
do
you
call
it
salvage
business.
L
L
No,
I
would
personally
to
cover
to
to
cover
it
up
more
and
aesthetically.
An
opaque
fence
would
would
would
be
beneficial.
I
would
think.
A
And
are
you
okay
if
we
put
a
condition
that
it
would
be
outdoor
storage?
Only
that's
that's
related
to
your
business.
Basically,.
A
I
mean,
I
think,
just
as
a
a
comment
more
than
a
question
really
I
mean
I
think
the
fence
is
definitely
the
the
the
quicker
effect
to
achieve
the
screening,
but
I'd
hate
to
see
it
be
done
at
a
complete
cost
of
losing
all
landscaping
to
some
landscaping
to
soften,
along
with
the
fence,
would
be
much
more
effective
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
Well,.
L
It
would
be,
but
not
the
five
foot
height
generally
down
in
the
you
know
two
to
three
foot
range,
just
just
as
a
as
a
as
an
enhancement
for
it
right
and
it,
but
but
it
wouldn't
be
according
to
the
drawing
that
they
would.
It
would
run
up.
It
would
run
up
the
side
and
stop
at
the
roll
gate
and
then
continue
on
the
other
side
of
the
railgate
and
continue
back
around
the
other
side
right,
because
there
wouldn't
be
any
reason
to
juke
it
back
around
the
parking
lot.
A
L
A
A
D
Move
to
to
approve
application
2183
with
you
with
the
conditions,
the
only
change
I
would
make
in
the
conditions
is
that
the
there'd
be
an
opaque
fence
and
that
the
also
the
criteria
that
chairman
had
indicated
that
the
the
use
be
consistent
with
the
ongoing
business.
D
D
Yeah
and
and
all
the
additional
conditions
that
the
that
the
the
city
had
put
in
its
recommendation.
B
C
K
A
M
M
As
you
may
recall,
last
month,
you
reviewed
the
companion
application
for
annexation
of
this
property
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
city
limits.
Tonight,
we'll
be
taking
action
on
the
two
subsequent
applications
to
amend
the
future
land
use
map,
as
well
as
the
rezoning
of
the
property
to
take
it
from
the
pinellas
county
designations
to
the
city.
Tarpon
springs
designations.
M
As
a
reminder
again,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
utilize
the
existing
building,
that
is
on
site
for
a
medical
or
dental
office.
This
property
does
currently
have
split.
Zoning
and
land
use.
The
area
that's
shaded
in
red
currently
has
commercial
zoning
and
land
use,
and
the
area
shaded
in
yellow
has
residential
zoning
and
land
use.
It
is
the
intent
of
this
application
to
put
the
property
into
one
designation,
both
land
use
and
zoning.
M
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
put
the
property
into
the
cn
commercial
neighborhood
land
use,
designation,
primarily
putting
it
in
a
lower
intensity
land
use
category
than
what
you
see
along
pinellas
avenue
because
of
the
shape
of
the
property
it
does
wrap
into
the
residential
neighborhood.
So
this
would
make
it
a
lower
intensity,
commercial,
designation,
that's
more
compatible
with
residential
neighborhoods,
the
surrounding
zoning.
Again,
it's
primarily
a
commercial
along
penelope,
avenue,
residential
west
of
the
property
and
the
proposed
zoning
category
is
nb
neighborhood
business
again
to
have
a
lower
intensity
district.
M
As
far
as
the
review
criteria,
the
proposed
amendment
for
the
future
land
use
map
is
generally
consistent
with
the
applicable
comprehensive
plan
policies.
The
application
does
require
a
county-wide
plan
map
amendment
to
put
the
entire
property
into
a
retail
category
as
opposed
to
split
residential
retail.
M
Staff
does
recommend
approval
of
both
ordinances.
Ordnance
2021-19
is
the
amendment
to
the
future
land
use
map
to
take
it
from
the
pinellas
county,
residential
low
and
commercial
general
categories
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
commercial,
neighborhood,
category
and
ordinance.
2021-20
is
the
amending
the
zoning
atlas
from
pinellas
county
r4,
one
two
and
three
family
residential
and
c2
general
commercial
and
services.
Districts
to
the
sea
of
tarpon
springs,
neighborhood,
business,
district
and
oops.
With
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
N
M
K
Evening,
my
name
is
fush
kowahi,
I
am
with
north
side.
Engineering
I
have
been
sworn
in.
Our
office
is
in
clearwater,
300,
south
belcher
road.
This
is
a
voluntary
annexation.
We're
glad
to
be
bringing
this
property
into
tarpon
springs
a
beautiful
city,
wonderful
staff,
to
work
with
welcome
renee
back
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Seeing
none
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
N
E
D
As
far
as
ordinance,
21-19
recommend
approval.
Second.
C
D
A
A
M
Okay,
ale,
keem
senior
planner,
still,
okay,
the
property
is
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
safford
avenue
and
east
center
street,
again
outlined
in
yellow
on
the
screen.
This
property
is
located
within
the
city's
special
area
plan.
That
area
is
all
of
the
gray
that
you
see
on
the
screen
here.
The
red
dash
line
shows
the
boundary
of
the
special
area
plan
outside
of
that
boundary.
It's
a
mixture
of
residential
zoning.
M
The
applicants
are
here
today
seeking
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
an
entertainment
establishment
with
food
or
drink
service.
This
property
is
again
locating
the
special
area
plan.
Therefore,
the
smart
code
applies
to
it
and
it
is
located
within
the
t4c
residential
district
transect
zone.
This
district
or
the
smart
code
itself,
is
silent
to
entertainment
uses.
M
Therefore,
the
closest
related
use
is
a
restaurant,
which
requires
conditional
use
approval,
which
is
why
you're
seeing
it
here
today.
The
applicant
specifically,
is
looking
to
operate
a
hatchet-throwing
business.
It's
a
facility
that
will
be
comprised
of
lane
style,
throwing
pits
where
each
participant
throws
axes
at
a
stationary.
Wood
target
they've
indicated
that
bar
service
will
be
available
on
site,
but
they
will
not
be
having
any
food
preparation
on
site
they're.
Also
looking
to
utilize
a
portion
of
the
parking
lot
along
safford
avenue
for
an
outdoor
area.
M
M
M
Considerations
when
looking
at
this
application,
the
first
being
parking,
this
project
does
represent
adaptive
reuse
of
an
existing
building,
they're,
not
looking
to
do
any
sort
of
substantial
modification
to
the
building.
Therefore,
the
smart
code
does
not
require
any
parking
for
this
proposed
use.
Although
parking
is
not
required,
the
appliance
did
provide
a
parking
needs,
an
analysis.
M
They
looked
at
some
of
their
other
locations
that
are
of
similar
size
and
determine
that
that
non-peak
hours
they
need
approximately
16
spaces
for
their
peak
hours
on
nights
and
weekends
about
27
spaces.
The
property
itself
has
17
spaces
on
site.
That
does
that
excludes
the
part
that
they're
looking
to
use
for
outdoor
space
and
they've
also
entered
into
an
off-site
parking
agreement
with
the
property
to
the
south,
where
there
are
32
spaces
available
to
them
after
business
hours.
M
The
second
consideration
is
the
sparco
typically
limits
retail
establishments
within
the
t4c
district.
This
is
intended
really
to
provide
you
know,
compatibility
with
surrounding
residential
areas,
while
still
allowing
neighborhood
serving
businesses.
The
limitations
include
seating.
This
district
limits
a
maximum
of
20
seats.
The
applicants
are
proposing
a
maximum
of
75
seats.
It's
not
just
tables
and
chairs
it's
a
mixture
of
lounges,
couch,
couches
bar
stools,
picnic
tables
and
then
the
t4c
limits
the
net
retail
space
at
2000
square
feet.
The
applicants
have
approximately
21.65
square
feet
of
net
retail
space.
M
The
smart
code
does
provide
some
flexibility
in
meeting
provisions
of
the
code
as
long
as
the
overall
intent
of
the
smart
code
is
still
met,
and
these
can
be
adjusted
by
warrant
when
looking
at
the
surrounding
context.
This
is
an
excerpt
of
the
character
district
map
in
this
special
area
plan.
This
is
within
the
uptown
district.
It's
right
at
the
boundary
of
the
uptown
district.
M
This
property
is
a
little
bit
unique
in
that
it's
an
existing
large
commercial
structure
within
a
residential
neighborhood.
So
it's
unique
to
the
district
that
which
it
is
located.
It
is
also
immediately
adjacent
to
the
downtown
district,
which
is
your
most
intense
district
within
the
special
area
plan
where
a
mixture
of
uses
is
encouraged
and
prevalent.
M
M
M
The
property
is
within
the
historic
district.
However,
the
structure
is
classified
as
a
non-contributing
non-historic
again
they're,
not
proposing
any
sort
of
modifications
to
the
building
and
the
property
is
not
proposed
on
an
environmentally
sensitive
site.
M
M
So
with
that
staff
would
recommend
approval
of
this
resolution
that
would
grant
conditional
use
approval
for
the
operation
of
an
entertainment,
establishment
with
food
and
drink
service
in
the
t4c
district
staff
also
does
recommend
that
the
increased
number
of
seats
and
net
retail
space
the
proposed
use,
be
allowed
by
warrant.
Public
notice
was
provided
and
we
have
not
received
anything
as
of
yet
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
D
O
My
name's
steve
damatos
2018
center.
This
is.
P
And
brennan
wayman
201e
center
and
that's.
I
O
And
real
quick
touch
on
touch
on
the
food.
We
plan
to
incorporate
restaurants
down
in
the
sponge
sponge
district,
as
well
as
in
downtown
area,
to
maybe
come
up
and
create
short
menus
that
we
can
send
our
driver
to
pick
up
for
patrons
to
eat
at
the
establishment.
So
we're
gonna,
hopefully
loop
in
some
more
of
the
surrounding
businesses,
since
we're
going
to
be
a
fairly
large
establishment.
P
So
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
been
to
the
one
off
the
hillsborough
avenue
yet
no
in
tampa.
I
I
own
that
one
right
now,
this
originally
out
of
edentown
new
jersey.
We
went
up
for
my
wife's
birthday,
I'm
originally
from
new
jersey,
so
we
went
up.
We
I
had
to
put
closed
toe
shoes
on.
We
went
out,
that's
byob
there,
I'm
like
what
am
I
getting
into.
We
did
two
hours
for
four
of
us
and
I
had
a
blast.
P
Everybody
left
left
with
a
smile
on
their
face
a
great
time
and
I
was
like
I
got
to
bring
this
energy
back
and
you
know
I
finished
my
military
career
and
I
was
like
I
have
to
get
into
something
and
and
that's
what
I
ended
up
doing
so
you
know
I
brought
it
here
and
we've
had
over
with
the
pandemic
in
two
years,
over
13
000
people
visit
our
space
in
two
years.
Well,
I
will.
N
Around
here
with
the
waves,
I
have
a
question
on
that.
Yes,
I
know
that
the
one
up
in
tampa
that
you
always
have
to
book
reservations,
usually
like
a
couple
weeks
out
and
stuff
like
that
in
order
to
get
a
reservation
for
it.
Do
you
have
the
same
like
kind
of
operating
hours,
and
do
you
think
that
that
the
parking
and
facility
is
actually
going
to
facilitate
down
here,
because
I
know
up
there,
it
does
get
pretty
packed.
P
H
P
N
P
P
O
So
you
got
that
right.
You
know
where
the
location
is
right
down
the
street.
You
have
that
paid
public
parking,
which
is
a
block
away
less
than
a
five
minute
walk.
You
also
have
parking
over.
Was
it
up
orange,
I
believe,
towards
tarpon
tavern.
O
And
we
got
32
spaces
next
door,
we
got
17,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
any
issues
with
parking
whatsoever
and
we
plan
to
entertain
a
lot
of
space
on
the
trail
as
well.
When
folks
are
riding
we're
going
to
have
an
inside
outside
bar,
so
they
can
walk
up,
get
waters,
gatorades,
take
a
seat,
hang
out,
relax
and
we'll
be
a
part
of
the
trail
rides
as
well.
F
D
Just
so
yeah
we
had
veterans
day
last
week
and
I
just
wanted
and
anybody
else
who
has
served
the
military.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
Thank.
A
Seeing
none
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
C
A
D
F
Earlier
today
I
sent
you
the
american
planning
association,
legislative
reporter,
okay
and
speaking
of
property
rights
element.
Okay,
that's
something!
I've
been
following
for
the
last
three
years:
a
good
example.
F
So
this
is
an
excellent
summary
of
planning
related
bills
and
I'm
going
to
be
going
ahead
and
forwarding
this
to
you
all,
because
it
it's
tough
to
go
into
the
senate
website
and
try
to
figure
out
what
bills
are
going
on.
Good
summary,
it
you
know,
brings
some
of
the
more
important
bills
or
the
the
more
interesting
bills.
I
guess
to
light
in
this
summary,
if
you
click
on
the
part
that
says
bill
tracking
report-
okay,
that
is
something
that
is
like
kind
of
like
my
bible,
every
legislative
session.
F
I
love
this
report.
It's
it's
basically,
a
list
of
all
the
bills.
That
apa
is
interested
in,
not
everything
that
that
you
know
that
they
do.
But
quick
summary,
you
know
links
to
the
senate
website
where
it
is
in
committee.
F
It's
just
interesting
to
see
what
kind
of
traction
these
bills
get
and
where
they're
going
state
preemption
is
a
big
topic
again.
This
year,
we've
already
had
some
reverses
where
a
couple
of
of
the
legislators
are
proposing,
reversing
state
preemption,
so
it'll
be
an
interesting
session.
F
Everyone
is
interesting
to
me,
but
I
will
forward
you
this.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
it
or
want
to
talk
about
it
during
any
meetings,
or
we
can
do
that,
but
I'll
keep
forwarding
you
these
and,
and
I
print
them
out,
you
know
it's.
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
I
print
it
out,
put
it
in
your
briefcase
and
when
you're
standing
in
line
somewhere,
pull
it
out
and
mark
the
bills
you
like
or
to
want
to
follow.
F
D
I
did
get
a
chance
to
you
did
send
something
out
today
and
I
did
get
a
chance
to
to
peruse
it.
Maybe
that's
where
I
got
confused
with
regard
to
some
of
the
what
I
read
today
or
some
of
the
advance
sheets,
because.
F
Maybe
yeah,
and
that
was
from
november
5th
they
they
don't
come
out
on
a
regular.
You
know
they
come
out
when
they
have
something
to
say
so.
The
session
starts
on
january,
11th
and
bills
are
starting
to
be
filed
and
you'll
get
one
of
these
every
so
often,
then
start
in
january
february,
they'll
come
out
every
couple
weeks
or
you
know
even
once
a
week,
sometimes
so
I'll
be
sure
to
forward
that,
to
you
guys
and
everybody.
D
F
A
D
Do
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
sort
of
and
renee
this
is
not.
This
is
not
geared
at
you
trust
me.
You
know
I
have
a
you
know.
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
you,
but
and-
and
I
think
I
expressed
it
at
the
last
commission
meeting-
I
I
kind
of
wonder
why
we're
here,
because
you
know
the
process
is,
and
you
know
we're
a
quasi-judicial
board.
D
I
I
know
I'm
not
naive,
to
think
that
that
the
applicant-
and
we
all
know
what
I'm
talking
about
that-
that
property
is
not
going
to
be
developed
at
some
point
in
time.
I'm
not
naive
to
that
fact
and
we
had
a
presentation
and
here's
here's
where
my
frustration
is.
Okay,
we
vetted
the
material
that
we
had.
D
D
That's
presented
at
a
commission
meeting
than
is
presented
at
our
zoning
meeting
as
if
we
don't
exist,
if,
if,
if
it
applicates
coming
here,
just
to
give
us
that
I
use
the
dog
and
pony
show
just
to
go
in
front
of
a
commission
and
present
ten
times
more
evidence
ten
times
as
many
witnesses
as
they
presented
to
us,
we
may
have
approved
it.
I
don't
know,
but
the
front
it
it's
not
about
this
particular
piece
of
property.
D
H
Go
ahead,
okay,
yeah!
So
I
I
don't,
I
won't
say
I'll
push
back,
so
the
planning,
so
there
were,
there
were
two
p.
I
think
I
think
some
of
this
can
be
answered
in
the
fact
that
there's
for
that
particular
application
there
were
there,
were
you
have
your
preliminary
plan
development
and
then
you
have
final
plan
development
and
the
final
plan
development
does
not
come
to
this.
This
board
it
comes
to.
It
goes
directly
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
H
The
preliminary
plan
development
is,
admittedly,
is
a
is
a
less
burdensome
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
information
now
we'll
say
this.
I
was
very
careful
in
that
what
was
presented
to
the
planning
is,
from
the
staff
perspective,
what
we
included
in
our
agenda,
backup
there
were
very
little
changes
when
it
went
from
the
staff
perspective
when
it
went
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
What
we
did
include
were
we
had.
We
had
received
report
updated
reports
that
were
part
of
the
final
plan
development
that
spoke
directly
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
H
So
all
so
we
did
in
discussion
with
the
city
manager.
I
said:
do
you
want?
You
know?
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
include
those
they
were
updated
reports
specific
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
So
those
things
you
didn't
get
the
benefit
of
those
updated
reports,
but
the
conditions
of
report
of
approval
were
in
that
that
ordinance,
so
they
had
to
have
them.
So
I
think
from
this
that
was
the
only
thing
that
went
to
the
board
from
the
staff
side.
D
Yeah
and
she
kept
on,
insisting,
I
didn't
say
it
was
safe.
I
said
it
was
safer.
You
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
record,
I
didn't
say
it
was
safe.
I
said
it
was
safer
and
then,
when
pressed
at
a
commission
meeting,
it's
a
different
response
and
and
in
some
response
and
and
what
I
heard
was
some
of
the
it
was
different
than
what
was
presented
to
us.
I
understand
okay,
but
I'll
give
you
the
example,
the
mitigation
it
was
presented
to
us.
D
Well,
there's
bus
going
to
be
bus
stops,
you
know,
maybe
bus
buses
will
be
a
way
to
mitigate
it
when
pressed
there's.
No,
there
is
no
psta
or
pasco
county
have
plans
for
a
bus
stop,
but
that
was
an
argument
that
they
were
going
to
mitigate
the
number
of
traffic
counts
was
by
having
these
alternative
modes
of
transportation.
D
I
I've
seen
them
ask
harder
questions
when
somebody
was
doing
something
less
significant
in
front
of
the
commission
instead
of
honing
down
on
some
of
the
issues,
I
don't
even
know
if
they
even
looked
at
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting,
quite
frankly,
but
by
frust.
So
I
I
kind
of
vetted-
and
you
were
here
for
the
commission-
I
vetted
my
frustration.
D
I
get
frustrating
a
frustrating
sitting
on
a
monday
night.
You
know,
even
though
it's
once
a
week
to
sit
here
for
a
few
hours.
You
know
I
could
be
home
watching
the
hockey
game.
You
know
we
think
when
it
doesn't
matter,
especially
if
things
of
that
is
significant
to
this
community.
D
I
you
know
again,
I
I
you
know
I
was
being
congratulated
by
by
those
people
who
don't
want
to
see
any
development.
I'm
not
naive,
but
I
told
them
I'm
not
here
because
of
you,
I'm
not
here
for
objecting.
Because
of
you
know.
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
what
your
position
is.
H
D
A
I
have
a
couple
questions
and
I
know
we're
not
going
to
resolve
this
tonight,
but
I
think
at
some
point
we
need
to
have
another
meeting
to
talk
about
some
of
the
processes
and
where
they
come
from
and
whether
we
have
the
ability
to
change
them
or
if
we
need
to
take
something
to
the
city
commission,
to
change
some
processes
to
make
projects
like
this
one
go
more
smoothly
and-
and
you
know,
there's
no
point
in
us
all
sitting
here
from
seven
o'clock
to
one
o'clock
in
the
morning-
hearing
something
if
they're
gonna
completely
ignore
our
opinions
and
and
and
most
of
them,
not
even
mention
it
in
the
meeting.
A
But
I
think
part
of
what
frustrates
me
is
the
fact
that
the
project
was
so
rushed
when
it
was
brought
to
us
initially.
Like
I
said
that
is
process
I
think,
had
we
heard
perhaps
the
rezoning
prior
to
hearing
you
know
at
a
separate
meeting
to
split
some
of
the
issues
up
it.
Perhaps
it
would
have
gone
smoother.
A
I
don't
know
it
was
a
lot
to
take
in
at
one
time
and
and
obviously
we
weren't
prepared
for
it
the
first
time
we
heard
the
item
either
anyway,
so
I
think
we
need
to
open
further
discussions
about
how
the
process
can
be
improved,
so
that
I
mean
the
outcome
may
ultimately
be
the
same
on
cases
like
this,
because
we
don't
control
the
city
commission,
certainly
and
we
wouldn't
profess
to,
but
but
somehow
we
need
to
feel
that
we're
taken
seriously
or
there's
a
lot
of
us
that
aren't
going
to
want
to
spend
our
valuable
time
dealing
with
this
stuff.
N
I
understand
I'd
like
to
just
say
that
it
could
also
be
taken
into
consideration
that
a
lot
of
stuff
was
presented
because
of
us
that
maybe
it
was,
they
didn't
think
about
it
too.
Much
because
I
know
a
bus
thing
was
actually
brought
up
and
they
said
well,
we
haven't
taken
it
to
pst
or
anything
like
that
because
of
the
fact
that
we
don't
even
have
it
approved,
so
they
did
say
that
and
then
they
sat
there.
Maybe
they
took
it
after
they
seen
us.
So
it's
very
possible.
D
N
D
H
H
D
Understand
what
what
you're
saying
what
you
said,
but
for
them
to
come
back
with
a
whole
litany
and
a
whole
plethora?
A
couple
days
before
the
commission
meeting,
I
called
it
a
document
dump
where
they
submitted
a
bunch
more
documentation.
I
think
a
week
before
the
commission
meeting
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
you
said
updated
reports.
D
If
you're
going
to
come
to
me,
if
you're
going
to
come
to
this
board
within
a
complete
application,
then
then
we
shouldn't
be
hearing
it
until
the
application
is
complete
to
have
additional
and
I'm
talking
about.
You
know
what
we
had
a
few.
A
few
people
give
testimony
as
opposed
to
10
or
15
people
give
testimony
that's
significant.
D
I
sat
here
both
not
all
night,
obviously,
but
I
did
watch
it
when
I
got
home.
The
first
was
the
tuesday
and
part
of
it
on
wednesday,
no
tuesday
and-
and
I
was
just
sort
of
aghast-
that's
I
ca.
I
drove
all
the
way
from
tampa
just
just
to
say
what
I
had
to
say
last
this
past
tuesday,
just
I
had
to
go
back
to
tampa
just
just
to
to
vet.
My
frustration
as
to
the
process,
like
I
said
I
have
no
skin
in
the
game.
D
I
have
skin
in
the
process
and
and
that's
and
that's
the
frustrating
part
is
we're
not
giving
all
the
information.
When
we
vote
had
we-
and
you
know,
I
think
the
right
thing
to
do
would
have
brought,
even
though
you
know
you
have
reasons
why
you
shouldn't,
but
have
it
come
in
front
of
the
zoning
board
and
let
us
hear
the
entire
application
and
then,
if
the
commission
wants
to
say
you
know
what
we
disagree,
we're
going
to
vote
in
favor.
That's
fine,
that's
the
prerogative,
but
not
to
give
us.
D
N
H
Correct
so
I
mean
the
in
they
were
running
overlapping,
so
there
were,
there
were
documents,
updated
documents
as
part
of
the
preliminary
that
came
in
with
the
final
plan
development
that
you
had
preliminary
documents,
the
same
documents,
but
some
of
them
were
updated.
The
transportation
management
plan
is
one
of
them,
but
we
had
conditions
in
the
conditions
of
approval.
H
H
You
know
you
can
submit
for
preliminary
and
final
at
the
same
time,
there's
nothing
in
there.
So
there's
no
bright
line.
There
well,
okay,
perhaps
that's
something
you
know
from
moving
forward
from
a
code
perspective
to
update
and
say
you
know,
preliminary
plan
development
has
to
go
through
first
and
second
reading
and
then
there's
got
to
be.
You
know
sometime,
you
know
a
break.
You
know
before
before
final
plan
development,
you
know,
can
move
forward.
Those
types
of
things
would
break
it
up
a
little
bit
you're
right.
H
This
was
there's
a
lot
going
on
with,
with
these
applications
running
running
simultaneously.
C
If,
if
I
mean
sure
I'd
like
to
expand
on
something
each
one
of
you
has
brought
up
and
maybe
look
at
it,
maybe
in
a
more
holistic
way,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
rehash
that
particular
event
or
approval.
C
C
C
It's
our
process,
just
an
ordinance
and
rules
and
and
code
that
she
referred
to,
and
so
instead
of
just
being
pissed,
we
could
say:
let's
use
it
as
an
opportunity
to
perhaps
tweak
restructure
and
look
at
what
we're
doing
as
staff
planning
and
zoning
board,
interacting
with
our
board
of
commissioners
and
everybody
acknowledging
what
went
well
and
what
went
poorly
and
making
some
adjustments.
We're
not
going
to
do
it
in
a
meeting.
C
I
think
it
was
you
and
that
staff
that
had
a
presentation
for
developers
to
pay
their
own
share
fair
share
of
the
fees
for
some
of
these
very
complex
proposals
that
came
up
and
that
proposal
from
staff
had
only
been
read
when
another
pnc
board
member
shot
that
thing
down
in
the
negative
and
we
all
voted
against
it
and
we
were
all
totally
confused.
That's
just
one
example,
and
no
one's
going
to
remember
that
other
than
renee
and
pat
over
there,
when
you
guys
are.
C
Traffic
and
storm-
and
it
made
perfect
sense,
I'm
reading
them
like
gosh.
This
makes
sense.
What
it
was
really
saying
is
when
a
developer
applies,
that
they
have
to
shoulder
the
burden
of
the
expense
that
the
city
has
to
do
if
it
takes
outside
planning
anyways.
There
was
a
png
board
member
who's,
now
board
of
commission
members
who
thought
that
that
was
a
terrible
idea,
because
it
was
pro
development
and
pro-developer
just
call
it
the
way
that
it
was
shot
it
down
before
we
had
a
chance.
C
We
were
baffled
that
and
a
development
agreement
would
last
for
10
years
and
frankly,
it
confused
us
because
life
changes,
you
can't
do
anything
for
10
years
these
days
you
can't
plan
out
10
years
and
we
were
now
whether
it's
good
or
bad.
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
what
we
did
is
we
thought
we
don't
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
we
recommend
to
the
board
of
commissioners
that
we
reduce
that
development
agreement
length
of
time
to
a
more
reasonable
that
it
can
be
re-evaluated.
C
C
Now
I
have
to
be
cautious.
I
know
I'm
not
pro
against
I'm
just
talking
about
things
that
have
stood
out
in
my
mind
where
I'm
like
we
sent
up
a
revision.
The
planning
and
zoning
board
took
the
time
to
think
about
the
development
agreement.
We
submitted
it
and
it
was
sent
back
to
us.
It's
not
go
back
to
your
room,
you
don't
know
what
you're
talking
about
now,
I'm
going
to
have
two
other
things
that
we've
recently
encountered
that
we
really
struggled
with
that.
I
don't
think
the
outcomes
have
been
that
good
with.
C
First
is
the
sign
ordinance
we
struggled
with
that
signed
ordinance
and
when
it
more
or
less
was
an
avalanche,
it
came
on
top
of
us.
We
pushed
back.
We
saw
it
again.
A
lot
of
time
went
through.
There
was
a
lot
of
sense
of
urgency
from
planning
or
staff
to
get
this
through.
We
did
our
best
and
sure
enough
that
gost
arm,
planning
or
sign
ordinance
has
just
been
a
muckety
muck.
You
know
90
pages,
so
that
we
can
enforce
plastic
sign
boards,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
whole
purpose
of
that
was.
C
We
can
go
back
in
time,
but
we
complained
then
that
it
was
way
too
much
for
this
board
to
take
on
at
one
time
and
that's
when
they
were
giving
us
these
multiple
readings.
You
know
where
we've
got
five
ordinance
that
went
into
one
thing.
That
was
just
the
same
thing.
Now
we
got
another
one.
We
got
that
food
truck
one.
What
a
gem
that's
turned
out
to
be
now
we
did
our
best.
C
We
went
up,
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
at
boc,
but
I
do
know
that
the
food
truck
we
got
a
lawsuit
going
on
with
it
right
now,
because
it
wasn't
implemented
right.
We've
got
another
one
where
it's
being
used
against
someone
else,
that's
another
one.
Where
we're
just
like
what
happened
there.
You
know
what.
C
Why
did
something
that
we
spent
time
on?
Maybe
not
have
some
of
the
best
results.
Did
it
go
too
fast?
Was
it
too
complicated?
Was
it
being
driven
by
someone
or
something
I
don't
know?
I
just
wanted
to
use
those
examples
and
then,
of
course,
we'll
use.
The
ancode
harbor
projects
is
another
one
where
actually,
I
think
the
process
went
really
good.
Everybody
worked
really
hard.
Maybe
the
outcome
wasn't
everybody's
thing,
but
I
think
that
it's
a
good
time
where
we
can
stop
and
go
what
do
we
want
to
do
as
the
pnc
board?
C
What
is
our
goal?
I
if
you
go
to
any
other
board
or
any
other
agency.
You
start
at
every
meeting
and
say
here's
our
mission.
Our
mission
should
be
read.
It
should
be
15
words
long.
It
should
start
every
meeting.
This
is
our
mission.
What's
our
mission
as
a
png
board?
Okay,
that's
just
an
idea,
and
then
why
do
we
not
have
any
teeth?
C
C
C
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
nobody's
very
excited
about
how
our
efforts
are
being
treated
right
now
and
so
I'll.
Just
call
that
a
higher
hurdle
that
if
the
this
would
be
one
suggestion
if
the
boc
is
going
to
rule
against
the
recommendation
of
the
png,
they
ought
to
have
a
pretty
gosh
darn
reason
for
it.
They
should
have
to
come
back
and
explain
it
I'll.
Just
call
it
a
higher
hurdle.
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
C
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
throw
out
some
ideas
that
everybody
can
have
input
on,
that
is
staff,
our
legal
counsel
or
we
as
as
members.
So
I
got
to
check
up
my
list,
otherwise,
I'm
going
to
forget
okay
and
then.
Lastly,
I
I
drew
a
kind
of
a
teeter-totter
here
where
it's
like
our
three
arms
of
the
government.
You
know
we're
all
balanced
out.
We
got
the
pnz
board,
we
got
staff,
we
got
our
boc,
we're
unbalanced,
meaning
that
the
pnz
I'm
at
this
would
just
be.
C
C
I'm
willing
to
say
right
here
that
miss
vincent
carried
more
authority
than
everyone
else
in
the
room
more
than
the
application
more
than
us
more
than
the
boc
that
her
recommendation
alone
made
that
project.
That's
just
my
opinion.
They
rely
on
staff
recommendations
so
highly.
Maybe
that's
how
it's
supposed
to
be,
but
I
would
suggest
something
different.
C
I
would
probably
go
the
opposite
direction
and
say:
staff
shouldn't
be
recommending
anything
staff
should
be
preparing
the
information
for
us
and
we
make
that
decision
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
bit
tougher.
Why
do
we
rely
on
a
person
who
may
or
may
not
live
in
the
city?
Who's
a
temporary
transient
entity
who's
here
now
gone
later,
to
make
some
of
the
most
important
decisions
that
we
have
to
make
that
was
supposed
to
be
left
up
to
us
right.
C
So
it's
just
the
thought
is
I
I'm
kind
of
looking
in
hindsight
is
going.
Why
does
staff
have
so
much
power
over
what
gets
done
and
what
does
it?
Someone
would
say:
well,
they're
the
experts,
I
don't
I
don't.
I
can't
read
that
anywhere
in
any
of
our
ordinances
or
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
It
doesn't
say
that
it
also
doesn't
say
balance
anywhere
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
C
Okay,
so
that's
that's!
It
is
that
I
think
that
if
anybody
has
any
ideas
about
how
we
can
restructure
what
we
do,
whether
we
meet
with
the
board
of
commissioners
current,
I
would
probably
say
future
that
somehow
that
the
pnz
board
gets
a
little
bit
more
skin
in
the
game,
I'd
be
interested
in
going
down
that
road.
C
Oh,
I
got
one
more
just
when
you
thought
I
was
going
to
quit.
Talking,
there's
a
board,
that's
not
represented,
and
I
think
that
goes
to
the
unbalanced
part.
There
was
a
great
commissioner
a
few
years
ago
by
the
name
of
larson.
I
think
it
was
jeff
larson
and
he
was
one
of
the
smartest
most
thoughtful
commissioners.
I
ever
saw
I'm
one
of
the
geeks
that
would
watch
all
the
movies
I
didn't
come
in
in
person
and
he
single-handedly
started
the
sustainability
board
and
I
believe
his
wife
is
on
it.
C
It
was
obvious
to
everyone
in
this
room.
I
was
here
only
for
one
show
that
that
board
of
commissioners
had
made
up
their
mind
long
before
that
meeting
had
helped
the
softball
questions
that
came
out
from
the
gentleman
that
sat
here
were
silly.
They
were
leading
questions.
It
was
like
a
tv
show.
How
easy
a
question
can
I
ask
to
make
it
look
like
I'm
asking
a
question,
although
it's
obvious,
I've
already
decided
how
I'm
going
to
vote
I'll
end
with
that
piece
of
sarcasm
thanks
for
standing
there.
H
For
the
record,
I
do
live
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
when
I
came
back,
I
have
to
live
in
the
city,
and
so
I
sold
a
very
nice
brand
new
house
in
the
city
of
dunedin
to
come
back
to
work
for
the
city
of
tarpon
and
give
you
my
best.
I
do
thank
you
for
the
input
tonight.
I
think
we
can
work
with
these
things
going
forward.
H
K
I
H
Splitting
land
use
and
zoning
decisions
and
not
running
them
concurrently,
that's
something
that
that
the
county
recently
started
doing
you.
Look
at
the
land
use
map
amendment
on
its
face
value
against
the
comprehensive
plan.
Forget
all
the
other
noise.
You
know,
site
plans
and
master
plans,
and
things
like
that:
no
is
it
appropriate.
H
So,
yes,
there
are
things
you
can
do
that
I
think
can
temper
the
process
and-
and-
and
maybe
you
know,
I
can't
say
that
the
outcomes
will
be
any
different,
but
we
can
work
on
that
and
just
to
that
end
you
know,
as
we
go
through
the
comprehensive
plan
update
and
that's
going
to
be
kicking
off
in
earnest.
This
board
will
be
heavily
involved
in
that
I'll.
Just
I
promise
as
well.
The
sustain
all
of
the
boards
actually
will
be
involved
in
that
process.
H
So
stay
tuned
for
that,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
this
can
be
talked
about
during
that
conference
and
plan
update.
D
A
And
I
I
mean
I
I've
been
in
other
jurisdictions
and
I've
been
the
consultant
on
the
other
side
of
the
table,
trying
to
pass
things
and
and
the
the
commissions
pretty
much
always
as
far
as
I'm
places
that
I've
done
business
reserve
the
final
right
to
refuse
or
or
pass
a
project,
regardless
of
what
the
commission
does.
A
So
that's
what
the
zoning
board
does
or
what
the
commission,
what
the
commission
does.
So
it's
it's
probably
going
to
be
hard
to
get
entirely
away
from
that
situation
that
that
happens
everywhere.
I
think.
But
but
if
you
look
at
the
percentages,
we've
been
overturned
approximately
19
of
the
time
for
the
last
couple
years
and
it
seems
to
me
like
that's
mostly
on
the
the
more
controversial
bigger
items.
Probably-
and
I
I'm
that's
just
the
number-
I
don't.
D
M
A
But
anyway,
question
can
we
choose
to
have
a
a
a
special
meeting,
in
effect
a
workshop
style
meeting
where
we
could
sit
around
a
conference
table?
Obviously
the
public
still
has
to
to
be
invited
because
it
is
sunshine,
but
I
think
at
some
point
a
workshop
where
we
can
try
to
actually
sit
and
work
some
of
these
things
out
and
come
out
with
some
ideas
and
in
a
in
a
little
less
formal
setting,
even
though
it's
still
public,
I
think,
would
perhaps
be
more
effective
than
trying
to
air
all
this
here,
like
this.
H
D
Listen
to
make
this
process
become
more
of
a
process.
I
have
no,
I
mean
that
that's
fine.
I
just
like
I
said,
I'm
just
right
now,
there's
there's
just
a
big
frustration
in
the
process
and
and
yeah.
If
there's
something
that
can
be
done
to
to
relieve
that
frustration,
I'm
all
for
it,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
waste
my
time
on
monday
nights.
A
Okay,
well
can
can
we
kind
of
poll
members
and
and
over
the
next
week
or
so,
and
try
to
get
a
date
set
up
some
somewhere.
Maybe
let
the
dust
settle
a
little
bit,
but
but
somewhere
in
the.
E
E
H
A
C
And
we
don't
want
it
to
interfere
with
pat's
after
class
schooling
that
we've
been
getting.
It's
been
very
good:
okay
right,
okay,
no
worries.