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A
All
right,
it's
6,
30.
I'll
call
to
order
the
march
28th
meeting
of
the
tarpon
springs,
planning
and
zoning
board.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please
yep.
A
C
A
D
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
applied
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
D
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
D
A
That
brings
us
to
item
number
three
application:
22-04
for
conditional
use
to
allow
for
alternative
dimension
criteria
for
a
residential
multi-family
development
in
the
residential
multi-family
zoning
district
and
we'll
have
the
staff
report,
but
also
item
number
four
has
exactly
the
same
words
and
just
a
different
number.
Can
you
start
by
explaining
the
difference
between
the
two
items.
E
Yes,
there
are
very
similar
requests:
they're,
two
different
properties,
so
they're
the
same
requests
they're
slightly
different
projects,
they're
the
same
applicants,
so
we're
gonna
present
them
separately,
but
it'll.
A
E
E
There
we
go
okay,
so
the
first
property
is
outlined
here
in
yellow
it's
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
south
gross
avenue
and
east
boyer
street
it's
located
within
the
rm
residential
multi-family
zoning
district.
It's
also
immediately
adjacent
to
the
city's
special
area
plan,
which
is
the
gray
property
shown
here
on
the
screen.
The
area
as
a
whole
is
really
a
mixed
use.
There's
a
combination
of
both
single
family
as
well
as
small
scale,
multi-family
development,
as
well
as
some
low
intensity
commercial
uses.
E
E
Each
unit
is
proposed
to
have
access
to
not
only
the
parking
lot,
but
also
to
the
public
sidewalks
and
the
streets
out
front.
The
site
was
also
designed
and
considering
the
required
site
visibility
triangles
at
the
intersections
and
driveways.
So
that's
why
you
see
the
building
kind
of
jogged
in
different
manners
to
accommodate
those
and
again
there's
a
total
of
six
units
for
this
project.
E
The
land
development
code
allows
residential
projects
within
the
rm
zoning
district,
to
request
an
alternative,
dimensional
plan
that
allows
certain
zoning
dimensional
criteria
to
be
modified.
The
intent
behind
this
provision
is
to
accommodate
unique
residential
projects
or
projects
that
may
be
located
on
an
unusual
or
difficult
project
site
to
get
approval
of
an
alternate
alternative,
dimensional
plan.
The
applicants
are
required
to
go
through
conditional
use
approval
specifically
looking
at
compatibility.
E
The
table
that
is
shown
here
on
the
screen
outlines
the
relevant
residential
multi-family
zoning
district
standards
in
comparison
to
what
the
applicants
are
proposing.
The
three
items
that
are
shaded
in
red
are
the
three
modifications
so
specifically
they're,
looking
to
reduce
the
front
yard
setback
from
25
feet
to
a
minimum
of
zero
feet,
they're
looking
for
a
side
yard
setback,
reduction
from
20
feet
down
to
just
over
two
and
a
half
feet,
and
a
minimum
rear
yard
setback,
reduction
from
20
feet
to
seven
and
a
half
feet,
and
these
are
all
minimum
requests.
E
One
thing
to
note
is
the
maximum
height
that's
allowed
by
right
in
the
sony
district
is
45
feet.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
do
a
one-story
development,
that's
more
in
context
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
with
a
maximum
height
of
17
feet,
so
the
reduced
setbacks
does
allow
for
a
smaller
scale
building,
but
one
story
to
be
constructed
as
opposed
to
building
a
multi-story
building
that
would
be
otherwise
permitted.
E
One
thing
to
note
is
if
the
application
is
approved
tonight,
the
next
step
in
the
process
is
site
plan
approval,
that's
where
the
various
other
requirements
of
the
development
code
will
be
verified,
and
with
that,
that's
why
we
want
to
mention
that
the
setbacks
that
they're
requesting
are
minimums
some
of
those
may
need
to
be
increased
to
accommodate
for
other
items
that
may
come
up
during
the
site
plan
process.
As
far
as
landscaping
parking
things
like
that,.
E
I'm
zooming
back
out
to
the
neighborhood.
Again
it's
a
mixed-use
area.
It
is
located
within
walking
distance,
the
heart
of
downtown
it's
about
a
block
away
from
the
pinellas
trail.
One
thing
to
note
is
there:
are
some
vacant
lots
to
the
east
and
west
of
the
site
that
are
will
likely
be
developed
in
the
future?
E
And
I
just
have
some
google
street
view
images
to
get
you
familiar
with
the
area.
Subject:
property
is
over
to
the
left
on
the
screen
across
the
street.
There's
an
existing
multi-family
development.
These
are
two-story
structures,
there's
a
series
of,
I
believe,
eight
or
nine
smaller
structures
that
are
two
stories.
E
The
site
is
located
in
a
mixed-use
area
that
has
a
combination
of
both
single-family
and
multi-family,
residential
and
low-intensity
commercial
uses.
The
project
does
meet
within
the
allowable
density
and
it
will
only
be
one
story
to
be
more
contextually
sensitive
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
by
shifting
the
building
closer
to
the
street.
It
allows
for
parking
to
be
screened
by
the
building.
It
also
allows
for
them
to
do
a
one-story
development
as
opposed
to
a
multi-storey.
E
E
We
do
have
two
conditions
of
approval
for
this
that
are
recommended.
The
first
is
that
the
proposed
setback
shall
be
considered
the
minimum
required
and
may
be
increased
if
necessary
during
the
site
plan
process
and
two
buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
adjacent
properties
shall
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process
and
just
to
reiterate,
staff
does
believe
that
this
is
a
unique
residential
project
that
meets
the
overall
intent
of
the
alternative
dimensional
plan
provision.
A
Yes,
are
there
any
other
properties
in
in
the
nearby
like
adjacent
blocks,
or
anything
like
that
that
have
a
zero
setback
on
the
front
yard?
Sure.
E
E
E
E
So
the
zero
foot
is,
like
I
said,
is
a
minimum
to
rouse,
provide
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
oops
during
the
site
plan
process,
but
on
the
current
site
plan.
If
I
can
get
back
to
it,
there
is
actually
a
slight
setback.
That's
proposed
so
along
boyer
street
they
are
looking.
The
closest
is
at
two
and
a
quarter
feet,
so
not
significant,
but
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
setback
from
that
property
line
and
just
over
about
two
feet
on
gross
avenue
and
again
this
is
kind
of
the
sidewalks
here.
E
F
The
can
you
go
to
one.
Can
you
go
one
of
the
slides,
the
one
that
has
the
the
two-story
multi-family
one
across
the
street,
this
one
that
one
there
yeah
so
what's?
What
is
the
setback
on
that
property
on
on
the
right.
E
E
So
one
thing
I
will
say
about
the
rm
zoning
district
is
even
though
it's
multi-family,
you
know
zoning.
It's
not
necessarily
responsive
to
some
of
these
smaller
infill
lots
that
we
have
in
town
that
can
accommodate
20
25
foot
setbacks.
So
not
every
zoning
district
can
be
perfectly
placed
with
its
location,
but
typically
it's
to
control
the
density.
I'm
sorry
not
density
of
the
intensity
of
development.
F
But
when
the
standard
is
set
at
25
sorry
when
the
standard
set
at
25-
and
I
I
don't-
I
mean
I'm-
you
probably
weren't
around
when
standards
were
set
up-
I
I
don't
were-
were
these
standards
established
just
I
mean,
were
they
the
ideal
standards
for
that
community.
E
I
would
say
for
the
rms,
a
residential
multi-family
zoning
district
as
a
whole,
typically
you're,
picturing,
probably
a
larger
development,
more
intense
development
which
maybe
warrants
larger
setbacks.
So,
unfortunately,
with
zone,
you
don't
always
have,
like
you
know-
perfectly
catered:
zoning
districts
to
a
property,
so
the
largest
effects,
like
I
said
in
this
particular
context,
is
not
as
it
doesn't
really
work
as
well,
because
they're
smaller
properties,
one
thing
I'll
also
point
out,
like
I
had
mentioned
the
special
area
plan
to
the
north
of
the
site.
E
E
G
This
is
a
90s
code
and
you'll
see
references
to
tallest
building
like
ali
said
it's
it's
more
intense,
but
it
really
is
kind
of
a
throwback
to
those
taller
taller.
Building
many
unit
developments
across
the
street
you've
got
the
house.
I
think
it's
the
housing
authority
project.
That's
two-story!
G
You've
got
thai
guys
industrial
right
right,
caddy
corner
on
lemon
street
you've
got
the
trophy
shop
in
front
of
it
on
lemon
street.
Those
are
both
one
story
and
warehouse.
G
Then
you've
got
the
housing
authority,
two-story
one-story
apartments.
This
is
just
six
apartments:
it's
not
a
big
multi-family,
so
it's
trying
to
fit
in,
and
I
would
just
ask
you
to
consider
this
is
not
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
multi-story
kind
of
high-rise,
typical
multi-family
that
this
code
originally
envisioned
and
was
written
for
so.
H
H
E
Okay,
so
this
special
area
plan
here
is
the
gray.
This
is
what's
regulated
by
our
smart
code,
which
I
know
you
guys
have
seen
some
things
in
there,
but
it's
kind
of
a
unique
set
of
zoning
standards.
But
one
thing:
that's
pretty
notable.
Are
you
know
minimum
setbacks
like
pretty
small
zero
feet
in
some
cases,
there's
five
foot
setbacks
in
some
cases,
so
those
zoning
requirements
are
a
little
more
aware
of
the
location
that
they're
applied
to.
E
H
Kind
of
so
what
I
hear
is
right.
Next
door
is
a
sap
that
has
zero
setbacks.
E
H
So,
although
we
may
not
see
that
all
the
time-
and
you
do
is
that
right
across
the
street,
it
would
not
be
unusual
for
there
to
be
zero
setback.
Because,
from
my
perspective
and
what
I
hear
from
my
fellow
board
members
is
that
we've
never
seen
a
zero
setback
on
the
front
before
right.
And
that
gives
us
correct.
B
E
H
E
Right
and
even
looking
in
some
of
the
areas
that
you
know
were
developed
several
several
years
ago,
when
this
originally
was
was
built.
You'll
see
properties
that
have
small
setbacks,
zero
foot
or
five
feet
that
again
are
smaller
than
what
would
be
allowed
today
under
the
current
zoning.
But
it's
just
that's
just
how
this
area
has
developed
in
the
past.
E
E
E
B
A
E
F
Of
that,
along
that
line
I
mean
I
have
le.
I
would
have
less
concern
about
a
zero
setback
if
we
had
a
sense
of
the
of
the
rendering.
Let's
you
know,
if
it's,
if
there's
a
let's
say
a
porch
and
a
stoop,
well
that
kind
of
lends
itself
to
a
zero
setback.
You
know
I.e,
you
know
brooklyn
or
something
right
where
you
kind
of
walk
out
your
door.
You
walk
down
some
steps
and
there
you're
right
there
on
the
right
on
the
sidewalk
versus
this
built.
F
A
Any
further
questions
for
the
staff.
F
I
I
agree
with
what
the
the
last
comment
you
made
if
there
was
some
sort
of
buffer
with
the
building,
if
it
wasn't
the
sidewalk
and
this
structure
right
there,
even
though
it's
residential,
even
though
it's
across
the
street-
and
there
is
that
building
that
was,
you
know
built
like
that.
I
I
would
like
to
see
something
that
would
conform
with.
I
think
you
had
said
earlier:
it's
not
in
the
historical
district.
I
E
I
Objectively
versus
subjectively,
if
you
were
to
ask
the
citizens
they
would
say
this
is
a
older.
You
know,
area
of
town,
it's
not
bayshore
heights.
It
was
built
six
or
seven
years
ago.
So
again,
I
would
like
to
see
a
rendering
and
see
I
wouldn't
like
it
to
be
a
sidewalk
and
then
just
some
structure.
I
And
while
I
can
appreciate
the
trying
to
hide
the
parking
and
or
or
at
least
you
know,
conceal
the
parking
and
and
get
the
drainage
and
the
pond-
and
you
know
on
the
back
side
it
you
know
to
me,
I
would
feel
better
if
there
was
some
sort
of
concession
with
you
know:
the
setback
on
that
front
side,
they're
asking
for
a
zero
foot
minimum,
but
on
the
site
plan
or
the
alternative
dimensional
plan,
it
says
2.25
feet
and
I'm
guessing
that's
off
of
the
sidewalk
right.
E
From
the
the
property
line-
and
I
believe
that
the
zero
foot
minimum
request
was
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
when
they
do
the
final
site
plan,
if
they
go
through
the
conditional
use
approval
process
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
if
they
need
to
you
know
if
the
the
pond
needs
to
be
a
different
size
or
parking
needs
to
be
adjusted
or
landscaping,
or
something
like
that.
That
was
just
for
flexibility
purposes,
but
right
now
the
site
plan
does
show
along
boyer
for
this
one.
I
You
know
again
it
just
just
to
me:
it
seems
a
little
tight
wondering
how
that
would
conform
with
everything
else
out
there,
and
even
though
the
special
area
plan
is
across
the
street,
I
mean
they're
again
going
back
to
the
objective
first
objective,
it's
objectively
in
that
area.
For
a
reason,
and
and
how
far
do
you
go
away
from
the
special
area
plan
where
you
would
make
that
that
exception.
I
D
C
C
Endless
to
to
make
to
create
to
create
the
breakdown
between
the
two
as
well
as
the
there
are
at
least
I
can
imagine
two
or
three
steps
from
the
patio
area
in
the
back
down
to
the
sidewalk,
and
this
patio
is
going
to
be
practically
open.
That
looks
like
this
is
the
front
of
the
house
as
well
as
we
have
access
for
each
unit
from
the
parking
lot
so.
C
The
issue
is
that
the
lot
is
not
wide
enough
and
big
enough
to
fit
the
units
in
the
standard
setup
of
of
parking
and
two
building
on
a
building
on
either
side
of
the
parking
lot
and
we'll
make
it
more
of
the
I
call
them.
The
boarding
set
up.
You've
got
a,
I
think,
a
block
from
here
this
way
or
this
one,
I'm
I'm
disoriented,
been
driving
for
three
hours.
C
Where
you
can
see
similar
development,
the
the
building
comes
hugging
the
street
a
little
bit
more
and
the
sitting
area
is
on
the
street.
So
there
is
a
livelihood
of
urbanism
there
with
it
with
very
minimal
landscaping
and
the
parking
lot
and
the
car
and
the
vehicle
are
hidden
in
the
behind
behind
the
buildings,
and
this
is
this
is
the
same
concept
that
we
are
essentially
implementing
here.
A
C
Did
sir,
the
the
the
size,
the
geometry
of
the
lot
itself
doesn't
allow
for
the
what's
what's
left
in
here
in
in
the
pond,
is,
what's
left
of
the
side.
Taking
this
building
and
reorienting
it
in
any
different
other
shape
or
form,
wouldn't
have
allowed
the
number
of
the
units
to
be
built
on
site
unless
you're
going
multiple
stories
and
and
we're
trying
to
avoid
that.
As
you
aware,
we
have
more
of
an
aging
population
in
the
state,
and
I
believe
some
of
this
could
be
for
a
transitory.
H
First,
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
proposing
to
you
and
your
owners
multi-family
in
tarpon
springs
because,
of
course,.
B
H
Obviously
we're
I'm
concerned
about
the
zero
setback
on
the
fronts
and
there's
no
renditions
to
show
us
how
that
might
look
from
a
street
and
we
all
walk
and
bike
those
streets,
and
although
it
could
be
very
urban,
it
might
be
a
little
bit
off-putting
also.
So
I
here's
my
question.
I
just
wanted
to
set
it
up.
Politely.
H
Is
that
it
just
appears
that
it
was
rotated,
180
degrees
and
spun
around
and
just
put
the
parking
lot
out
front
with
the
pond
that
had
grass
in
it
all
the
time.
The
setback
issue
might
be
less
aggressive
and
although
I
appreciate
your
idea
of
of
hiding
said
parking,
but
it
requires
those
very
aggressive
setback
issues.
So
tell
me
what
led
you
to
other
than
just
desire
to
hide
the
parking
lot,
because
if
it
just
goes,
it
fits
and
then
you
don't
need
a
zero
front
setback
on
each
of
those
streets.
H
D
C
H
C
H
C
C
Technical
issues
or
design
issues
if
the
southern
building
faces
the
alley
rather
than
faces,
boyer
so
reversing
or
mirror
that
you
still
have.
We
would
request
for
you
to
approve
the
same
request,
but
we
can
rotate
the
building
if
staff
is
okay.
The
difference
is
that
it's
not
usually
set
up
where
the
front
you
see
that
building
is
intended
to
be
designed
where
what
you
see
from
boyer
and
what
you
see
from
growth
will
be
the
front
of
the
building.
H
C
Abs,
absolutely,
but
we
you
can
take
a
recess
and
we
can
walk
outside
and
you'll
see
the
elevation
life
in
handy
right.
Here
I
I
agree
with
you.
We
just
couldn't
get
it
and
my
schedule
couldn't
get
it
in
a
timely
fashion
for
for
for
the
meeting
the
idea
again
with
with
the
urbanism
where
the
the
unit
hugs
the
street,
all
the
activities
as
people
walking,
the
street
people
are
sitting
in
their
front
porch,
essentially
and
leaving
the
the
backyard
in
in
essence
to
the
parking
lot.
C
H
C
E
A
H
F
No,
it
was
just
that
I
appreciate
it
and
thank
you
again
for
visiting
tarpon
springs.
The
frustration
is
that
you're
asking
us
for
a
a
zero
setback,
you're
you're
describing
a
building,
and
so
in
our
mind's
eye,
we're
imagining
what
it
looks
like,
but
it'd
be
so
helpful
if
we
had
something
in
our
in
our
in
our
packet,
some
kind
of
a
rendering.
So
we
know
what
we're
looking
at
because,
again
there's
a
difference
between
you
know
just
a
flat
structure
right
on
the
sidewalk.
F
Do
you
believe
that
that
a
one-story
structure
with
a
zero
setback
is
somehow
more
ideal
than
a
two-story
structure?
Where
we'd
have
you
know
a
more
reasonable
setback?
Let's
say
similar
to
what
cocalacas
built
here
on
on
ring
because
he's
what
kind
of
setbacks
does
he
have
again?
I
know
I
put
you
on
the
spot
to
ask
you
that.
F
F
B
C
Yes,
ma'am,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
plan
these
indentation
in
the
in
each
unit.
That's
an
actual
porsche
where
the
door
is
is
to
the
side
of
it.
C
So
every
unit
has
a
porsche
on
the
on
on
the
main
street,
okay
and
and
and
a
door
to
access
the
unit
from
it
obviously
get
in
out
of
it.
So
the
backyard
is
on
the
that's
the
same
as
the
front
yard.
C
Buffer
between
the
building-
so
you
imagine
it
to
the
sidewalk.
The
sidewalk
is
not
to
the
to
the
property
line,
so
the
the
green
area
could
reach.
It
depends
on
the
sidewalk.
C
Location
there,
it
could
possibly
even
reach
three
feet
of
about
green
area
where
we
believe
between
different
shrubberies
different
ground
covers.
You
can
break
that
and
multiple
different
finishing
on
the
building
between
textures
and
coloring.
You
can
have
a
lot
of
variation
that
does
not
repeat
itself
and
becomes
boring
to
the
eyes
and-
and
you
know,
having
the
aggressive,
concrete
attacking
you,
the
idea
is
to
have
it
more
of
the
the
street
and
the
sidewalk
is
there
is
the
is
the
real
of
the
of
living
versus
just
an
access
point
from
a
to
b
there's.
C
We
have
quite
a
way.
The
fourth
time
I
visited
the
site.
There
is
quite
a
bit
of
pedestrian
walking,
not
just
going
they're
going
through
the
neighborhood
to
a
bigger
roads-
east
west,
north
north
south.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
lively
and
active
neighborhood
in
terms
of
pedestrian
and
cyclists,
more
so
than
than
vehicles,
and
and
that
top
this
type
of
setup
provide
a
better
atmosphere
for
that.
H
A
H
A
I
I
like
the
project.
I
believe
I
have
the
same
concerns
as
the
other
board
members
and
you
know
really
wish
we
had
a
rendering
to
take
a
look
at
how
how
this
project
would
look
from
the
street
view.
You
know
that
being
said.
I
do
appreciate
your
time
and
and
bringing
it
before
us
and
you
know
again
yeah.
I
can't
say
it
enough.
I
wish
I
would
have
had
something
to
see.
A
F
A
H
As
the
person
that
put
the
motion
forward,
I
absolutely
share
your
concerns
and
thoughts.
I
was
just
able
to
get
his
mental
telepathy
about
what
he
had
envisioned
and
he
sent
it
to
me
and
I
opened
it.
I
was
like
I
can
see
it
now,
that's
a
little
bit
of
humor,
but
it's
also
true.
I
share
everyone's
concern
about
the
zero
setback
and
frank.
It
set
me
off
as
very
unusual,
but
I
was
able
to
think
through
the
process
of
their.
H
In
fact,
it's
not
an
unusual
design,
it's
a
very
healthy
design,
and
it's
just
unusual
for
tarpon
springs,
and
that's
why
we
have
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
is
that
this
is
actually
a
very
thoughtful
design.
Once
that
whole
picture
came
up,
I
would
agree
with
you
that
elevations
would
have
made
it
much
easier
to
see
that.
H
H
It
is
a
little
bit
risky,
it's
not
something
that
we've
done
before,
but
I
I
think
that
this
is
exactly
maybe
what
we
need
more
of
perhaps,
and
therefore
that's
why
I
put
that
forward.
B
I
personally
can
respect
what
you
guys
are
doing
here
and
I
see
a
little
bit
more
of
the
development.
Maybe
my
head
is
just
more
where
I
could
see.
What's
going
on
a
little
bit
on
it,
I
personally
think
that
it's
a
great
layout
on
it.
I
think
that
the
front
is
going
to
be
enough
of
a
porch
and
settings
for
everything.
B
I
love
the
idea
of
the
back
being
the
park,
the
parking
area
just
because
I
know
how
high
of
a
foot
traffic
area
this
is,
and
one
entrance
in
and
out
for
cars
instead
of
having
six
different
entrances
for
cars
to
come
in
and
out
of,
might
actually
be
life-saving,
to
say
the
least
on
that.
So
I
appreciate
everything
that
you
have
on
here.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
All
right,
if
nobody
has
further
comments,
can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Mr.
H
A
A
E
Okay,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
similar
presentation
to
the
last
one
and
very
similar
project
as
well.
This
site
is
just
south
of
where
we
were
looking
previously,
the
it's
at
the
corner
of
lime,
street
and
south
gross
avenue
outlined
here
in
yellow
again
it's
located
in
the
residential
multi-family
zoning
district
and
it's
in
an
area.
That's
really
a
mixture
of
both
single-family
and
small-scale
multi-family
development.
E
E
Again,
the
site
plan
does
acknowledge
the
visibility
triangles
which
are
shown
here
in
red,
which
is
why
it
jogs
back
and
forth.
There's
a
total
of
seven
units
on
this
site
again,
a
one-story
project.
They
have
porches
with
access
to
the
street,
as
well
as
an
access
from
the
parking
lot
for
each
unit.
E
A
minimum
side
yard
setback
of
6.3
feet
as
opposed
to
20
feet
and
a
minimum
rearrange
of
5
feet
as
opposed
to
20
feet.
Again,
it's
a
one-story
proposal
at
17
foot
in
height,
where
they
would
be
allowed
by
right
to
go
up
to
45
feet
and
that's
just
the
site
plan
just
pointing
out
the
different
setbacks
of
the
proposing
again
similar
to
the
last
request.
E
They
are
requesting
a
minimum
of
zero
foot
from
the
front
yard
setback,
but
the
site
plan
does
show
a
one
foot
setback
along
lime
street
at
its
closest
point,
which
is
just
here
and
here
and
then
actually
a
four
foot
setback
from
here.
This
is
a
little
unique
too,
because
the
public
sidewalk
actually
slightly
encroaches
onto
the
subject
property,
so
they
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
get
to
a
full
zero
foot
along
gross
avenue,
because
the
sidewalk
kind
of
encroaches
in
that
area.
E
E
E
E
E
E
The
site
is
within
a
mixed
residential
area,
with
a
combination
of
single-family
and
detached
homes
and
small-scale
multi-family.
The
project
is
within
the
allowable
density
and
is
going
to
only
be
one
story
and
allows
shifting
the
building
closer
to
the
street
to
screen
the
parking
by
the
building.
The
use
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
It
is
not
located
within
an
environmentally
sensitive
area,
nor
a
mapped
historic
district.
E
E
Buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
adjacent
property
shall
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process
and
during
site
plan
approval,
the
site
triangle
or
site
visibility,
triangle
for
the
adjacent
property
to
the
west
parking
pad
and
the
proposed
apartment
building
shall
be
verified
to
comply
with
the
land
development
code.
Requirements
against
staff
does
believe
that
this
is
a
unique
residential
project
that
meets
the
overall
intent
of
the
alternative
dimensional
plan
provision.
E
A
I
guess
not,
would
the
applicant
like
to
make
any
further
comments.
C
Having
said
that,
you
in
lieu
of
giving
it
a
rejection
like
you
just
voted
before,
I
would
like
you
to
consider
alternative
numbers
and
push
it
into
forward
with
approval
you
could
have.
We
can
rotate
this
this
layout.
As,
mr
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
my
glasses,
vessy
vesey
suggested
the
units
could
have
their
frontage
on
the
alleyway
and
on
growth
avenue,
and
that
will
eliminate
two
of
the
issues
that
you
all
are
having
practically.
We
are
providing
four
feet
similar
to
the
next
to
the
property
next
door,
where
more
landscaping
could
be
provided.
C
D
So
it's
it's
not
necessarily
that
it's
that
rotating
the
project
and
substantially
changing
the
it
substantially
changes
the
analysis
based
on
the
criteria.
So
it's
a
substantial
change
in
the
project
itself,
which
would
then
alter
the
staff
report
would
have
to
be
redone.
There'd
have
to
be
re-analysis
based
on
the
criteria
for
this
particular
conditional.
B
D
But
at
this
point,
the
application
as
submitted
to
this
board.
That
is
what
they're
going
to
have
to
consider.
Not
not
a
substantial
change
in
in
what
you're
proposing
here.
C
So
they
couldn't
go
and
say
if
you
might
go
back
to
the
table,
please
minimum
front
setback
to
be
instead
of
proposed,
zero
to
say
five
minimum
size
setback,
2633,
that's
acceptable
side
setback
on
the
other
one
is
five,
and
so
just
changing
the
proposed
front
setback
to
be
five
and.
C
It
doesn't
change
anything
of
the
analysis
that
this
report
has
it
changes
what
we
are
proposing
variation
for
the
dimension.
D
G
G
C
D
D
Is
100
that
right?
That
is
100
correct,
because
this
is
not
a
site
plan
review,
so
the
site
plan
could
substantially
change
between
now
and
when
it
came,
comes
back
anyways.
So
my
question
then,
would
be
to
staff
if
the
project
was
changed,
whatever
you
use
to
qualify
your
recommendation
or
your
recommendation
for
denial
or
approval
based
on
the
uniqueness
and
the
difficulty
in
building
on
this
particular
parcel.
Is
that
going
to
change
if
they
reduce
their
setbacks,
regardless
of
what
the
project
ultimately
looks
like?
D
E
I
think
that,
from
a
staff
perspective,
a
reduction
in
the
setbacks
that
are
typically
required
for
an
rm
sony
district,
I
think,
is
warranted
for
this
particular
location
and
based
on
the
site
itself.
I
do
think
that
the
orientation
of
the
site
it
plays
into
that.
I
think
that
that's
how
the
compatibility
of
the
neighborhood
comes
into
play
as
opposed
to
having
parking
right
off
the
street,
and
things
like
that
that
was
taken
into
consideration
by
screening
the
parking
access
off
the
alley.
E
G
Yeah,
I'd
like
to
add
so
remember
the
con.
The
condition
on
this
one
like
the
last
one
was
that
that
they
were
asking
for
the
zero,
but
it
could
be
bigger,
so
that
would
be
the
the
closest
they
could
get.
Let's
say
you
give
the
five
on
the
front,
but
you
keep
the
other
two.
If,
for
some
reason
they
can't
achieve
a
layout
without
getting
closer
on
those
other
two
it
would,
it
would
have
to
come
back.
In
other
words,
that
would
be
their
limit.
G
So
you
know
the
engineer's
up
here
saying
that
he
can
do
that
when
he
goes
to
the
drafting
board,
I'm
assuming
he
can't,
but
you
never
know
until
you
see
the
layout
but
yeah.
If,
if
you
did
say
a
five
foot
on
front
and
then
I
guess,
you'd
leave
the
other
two
like
they
are.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
what
you're
asking
for.
D
I
would
say
that
at
this
point,
that
type
of
amendment
to
the
application
would
be
substantial
enough
from
an
analysis
point
of
view
that
it
would
have
to
be
something
that
you
would
take
back
and
bring
back
to
this
board.
It's
not
something
you
could
do
on
the
fly
this
evening,
specifically
because
of
the
criteria.
F
F
Personally,
I
like
the
project
and
I'm
not
sure
you
need
to
change
anything
your
if
I
was
going
to
make
any
comment
about
your
presentation
is
we
don't
have
a
rendering
we
it's
something,
that's
very
unique
to
the
to
that
area.
We
don't
have
any
other
properties
other
than
that
blue
building.
That's
on
the
sidewalk,
which
isn't
very
appealing,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
your
project's
not
appealing
again,
I'm
this
close.
I
like
the
project.
I
don't
I'm
not
voting.
I
didn't
vote
no,
because
I
don't
want
that
project.
F
I
think
it's
ideal
for
the
area.
I
like
the
back
parking.
I
like
the
whole
concept,
no
offense
to
my
my
friend
over
there,
but
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
flip
it.
I
think
it's
better
the
way
you
have
it.
It's
just
that
right
on
the
sidewalk.
I
want
to
know
what
it
looks
like.
I
don't
have
a
sense
of
it.
F
So
I'm
and
again
I'm
not
giving
you
advice
as
to
what
to
do,
but
if
it
came
back
and
I
s-
I
personally
saw
it
and-
and
I
liked
it
I
would
have
voted
yes,
I'm
I'm.
I
was
again.
I
was
this
close
to
voting.
Yes,
so
for
you
to
go
and
change,
go
and
change
all
your
work
and
do
all
that
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
I'm
again.
I
can't
give
you
advice
on
that,
but
I'm
telling
you
where
I
was
coming
from
I'm
this
close.
I
just
can't.
F
F
But
again
I
I
might
the
two
yes
votes
you
got.
I
think
those
were
well
warranted
and
again
I'm
that
close
show
me
something.
That's
all
I'm
saying,
and
if,
if
I
liked
it,
I
think
I
would
I
would
I
if
I
had
seen
something
I
might
have
voted.
Yes,
that's
how
close
I
was
so
just
giving
you
my
two
bits.
I.
A
I
would
agree
with
mr
cooley
honest,
but
but
I
would
also
add
in
my
case
I
have
a
hard
time
granting
a
100
variance
on
the
setback.
I
really
do
I
I
think
you
know,
depending
on
what
it
actually
looks
like,
I
could
probably
be
happy
with
the
five
foot
thing,
but
but
I
would
want
to
see
what
it
looks
like
more
importantly
than
anything
else
and
if
it
didn't
have
five
foot
and
I
liked
what
it
looked
like,
I
probably
could
live
with
that.
C
C
Based
on
that,
can
we
table
it
for
the
next
meeting
where
we
can
have
some
elevations
and
if
so,
you.
D
You
do
have
the
right
yeah.
You
have
the
right
to
continue
the
application.
You
can
make
amendments
to
it
as
long
as
the
amendments
that
you're
making
are
not
going
to
change
what
was
advertised
for
public
hearings,
so
that
would
be
the
only
concern
that
I
would
have
is
that
we
can
certainly
continue
to
a
date
certain
to
the
next
meeting
or
whenever
you
so
choose
to
preserve
the
advertising.
However,
the
project
changes
substantially
that
the
advertising
would
change.
D
Then
you
would
have
to
just
withdraw
the
application
and
then
and
have
it
re-noticed,
but
that
is
up
to
you
as
the
applicant
to
make
that
determination.
D
So
then
we
can
continue
it
to
a
date
certain.
When
is
our.
D
That
would
either
be
a
new
application
or
you
can
choose
to
move
that
one
forward
to
the
board
of
commissioners
and
see
how
you
fare
with
them.
It's
up
to
you
again.
I
leave
that
I
can't
make
the
decision.
B
F
I
yeah
once
again.
H
You
I'm
going
to
ask
a
rhetorical
question
just
so
I
can.
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
rendition
so
that
what
I
got
from
you
they
can
see
also-
and
if
I
might
add,
mr
culianos,
you
continue
to
impress
me
with
your
thoughtfulness
and
in
fact
I
was
thinking
exactly
the
same
things,
and
I
appreciate
that
well.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
F
I
If
I
could
add
just
one
thing
in
my
apologies,
I
know
you
were
wrapping
up.
Mr
kulian
is
brought
up
that
he
would
like
to
see
the
renderings
and
earlier
in
the
meeting
you
had
brought
up
that
you
know
if
we
could
take
a
little
break,
go
outside
and
see
a
building
down
ring
avenue,
and
I
know
I'm
I'm
fairly
certain
that
you
were
referencing,
mr
kokolakis's,
which
should
have
been
to
the
south.
F
It's
that
was
right.
B
I
I
said
the
right
direction
by
itself.
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
prime
example
for
us
and
I
think
we
asked
staff
and
they
said
it's
somewhere.
I
think
pat
answered
somewhere
between
five
and
ten
feet
off
of
the
sidewalk.
I
believe
and
to
me
it's
nice
to
see
it.
Obviously
the
project
has
been
approved,
it's
been
built,
so
you
get
to
see
the
actual
project.
I
But
in
listening
to
your
presentation
with
a
zero
setback,
I
can't
imagine
approving
a
project
with
any
less
than
mr
kokolakis's
project,
which
is
somewhere
between
five
and
ten
feet.
In
my
opinion,
that
is
very
close
to
the
sidewalk
and
probably
as
narrow
of
something
that
I
would
think
would
be
the
norm
and
again,
I'm
speaking
just
for
myself.
For
for
the
look
it
it
appears
and
you
get
the
feel
when
you
drive,
which
would
be
north
on
spring,
and
you
saw
it
on
the
the
west
side
that
anything
closer
than
that.
I
That
is
very
close
to
the
sidewalk.
But
you
get
to
see
the
dimension
and
we
do
I.
I
love
those
buildings,
but
it
would
be
hard
for
me
again
personally
and
I'm
not
speaking
for
the
other
four
members
here
today
to
see
anything
closer
than
that
and
I
will
agree
with
going
from
25
to
zero.
That's
kind
of
I
mean
that's,
that's
like
a
grand
slam
in
the
bottom
of
the
ninth
and
it's
kind
of
difficult
for
us
to
approve.
C
I
I
totally
understand
what
I,
what
the
site
plan
may
have
failed
in
explaining,
without
even
the
rendering
that
the
building
is
not
a
box.
That's
going
vertically
right
at
the
sidewalk,
even
even
as
it
stands
here
showing
where
the
the
porsche
and
the
entrance,
the
the
bedroom.
C
There
will
be
indentation
where
the
window
is
to
create
a
closet
on
one
end,
and
then
the
building
is
going
back
and
forth,
generating
higher
areas
in
between
for
landscaping
and
and
breakdown,
with
with
different
rendering
and
finishing
on
the
exterior
of
the
building,
so
that
even
the
site
plan
didn't
show
you.
What
was
the
vision?
It
was
just
to
establish
a
number
of
units.
C
It
was
more
of
a
zoning
plan,
not
wasn't
as
architecture
at
the
time,
but
the
setup
in
in
at
least
in
my
head
is:
is
that
and
hopefully
the
next
time
I'll
show
you
something
that
you'd
say:
uh-huh.
I
We
truly
appreciate
your
time
and
explaining
everything
to
us,
and
I
agree
with
mr
juliana.
Some
of
us
are
more
visual
than
others,
and
and
we
can,
you
know,
project
that
visualization
on
something
I'm
not
one
of
those
people.
Apparently,
admittedly,
mr
kulianis
is
not
either
mr
vesey
got
his
inner.
You
know
feelings
from
you,
but
unfortunately
we
didn't
get
him.
I
appreciate
your
time.
F
A
G
Okay,
I
will
be
quick,
so
remember
we
had
two
kind
of
modules
of
training.
We
had
a
last
final
one
that
we
were
going
to
do.
So
that's
what
this
is,
and
I
can't
remember
who
all
was
on
the
board,
but
this
was
just
kind
of
fill
in
when
you
all
get
on
the
board.
You
go
over
to
the
clerk
and
they
give
you
some
things
to
read.
G
I
think
you
have
to
watch
a
video
about
the
quasi-judicial
and
sunshine
and
and
all
that,
but
you
really
don't
get
anything
about
what
planning
and
zoning
does
what?
What
about
the
code?
What's
the
context
until
you
get
thrown
into
your
first
meeting
and
you
start
having
to
try
to
figure
it
out,
so
that
was
the
purpose
of
putting
this
training
together.
We've
had
two
modules
already
and.
G
So
we'll
finish
it
up
tonight
and
we
had
a
session
on
florida
growth
management
framework.
So
you
know
where
our
comprehensive
plan
came
from
our
land
development
code,
kind
of
the
time
context
for
that,
and
also
our
form-based
code.
We
touched
on
that,
the
second
module
we
got
into
the
planning
and
zoning
board
being
the
local
planning
agency
and
your
duties
and
all
the
applications.
G
You
look
at
so
tonight
we're
going
to
look
at
just
a
little
bit
from
the
applicant's
perspective
and
also
a
couple
slides
on
the
regional
framework
for
for
what
you
do
so
just
going
through
as
an
applicant,
as
you
guys
know,
in
a
lot
of
this,
you
already
know
from
what
you've
seen
we
get.
The
whole
range
of
applicants
from
you
know
layperson
to
professionals,
so
a
homeowner
business
owner
contractors,
engineers,
architects,
all
that.
G
G
They
meet
once
a
month
as
we've
discussed,
the
agenda
has
posted
about
a
week
ahead
of
the
meeting,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
their
what's
coming
to
the
trc
and
get
an
idea
what's
going
on,
is
in
the
city
what's
being
proposed
and
a
little
bit
of
a
heads
up
on
what
may
eventually
come
before
you
as
far
as
projects,
the
trc
meeting
is
really
sort
of
an
informal
exchange
between
the
applicant
and
the
city,
so
we're
going
to
tell
them
about
the
code
we're
going
to
ask
them
about
their
project.
G
G
We
will
give
them
a
heads
up
on
issues
that
that
this
board
and
board
of
commissioners
brings
up
on
landscaping
or
hey
if
you're
doing
a
short-term
rental.
You
know
planning
and
zoning
board's
going
to
want
to
know
how
many
bedrooms-
you
know
it's
not
in
the
code,
but
we
we
try
to
give
them
those
heads
up.
So
it's
a
it's
a
good
process.
Trc
is
a
good
good
meeting
for
most
applicants
and
I've
listed
in
the
notes.
G
I
give
you
a
handout
with
all
the
notes
of
all
the
modules
of
who
sits
on
the
trc,
so
that
list
is
there
for
you.
The
planning
and
zoning
staff
will
compile
those
comments
and
basically
we
decide
whether
an
application
is
ready
for
hearing
so
trc
doesn't
really
make
a
recommendation.
G
The
only
thing
they
they
completely
review
is
minor
site
plans.
What
are
called
minor
site
plans
which
are
very
small
additions
to
an
existing
site
or
building
other
than
that
they
don't
make
recommendations
or
vote
or
anything
like
that.
They
express
concerns.
They
note
deficiencies
all
those
things
sometimes,
as
you
know,
those
become
conditions.
G
Sometimes
the
applicant
has
to
revise
before
it
can
come
to
you
their
plan
and
as
you've
also
seen
there
are
times
when
an
applicant
says
you
know
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
I
don't
want
to
comply
with
that.
I
don't
feel
like
I
need
to
comply
with
that.
I
want
to
go
to
hearing,
and
so
there's
no
rule
that
says
that
you
know
it
has
to
comply
with
code
to
go
to
hearing
right.
G
It's
kind
of
everybody
gets
their
day
in
court,
so
if
they
want
to
go
present
it
to
they
present
it
to
staff.
If
there's
an
impasse
on
an
issue,
they're
certainly
allowed
to
come
before
this
board
and
board
of
commissioners
to
see
you
know
hey.
Can
I
can
I
get
it
go
ahead
and
present
it
to
the
board,
so
that
comes
to
hearing
in
just
a
little
note.
We
now
have
electronic
plan
review,
which
is
the
best
thing
ever
and
tarpon
has
really
joined
like
the
last
century.
G
No,
I
know
I
know
so,
hey
no,
you
can
work
on
the
clerk
for
that
right,
okay,
so
this
is
just
a
quick
slide.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it,
but
just
just
a
general
overview
of
kind
of
a
thought
process
behind
a
review,
so
stat
yeah.
We
do
review
for
compliance
with
code.
G
Any
of
you
that
have
looked
at
the
code
know
that
that
over
the
years
as
it
gets
amended,
there's
something
that
covers
one
piece
of
subject
matter
in
three
different
places:
it's
it's
kind
of
all
over
the
map.
This
isn't
complete.
But
but
this
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
like
the
thought
process,
we
kind
of
start
at
the
30
000
feet.
You
know
what
what
is
being
proposed.
What's
the
area
like?
G
So
you
know,
and
we
get
into
issues
with
compatibility
and
the
characteristics
of
the
use
and
all
those
things
we've
we've
talked
about
so
after
trc,
the
applicant
proceeds
to
planning
and
zoning
board
for
those
applications
that
that
come
to
you
and
I
kind
of
listed
on
your
notes,
just
a
reminder
of
those
applications.
G
You
know
all
the
items
in
the
staff
report,
so
they
can
prepare
for
the
hearing
and
then,
as
you
know,
the
planning
and
zoning
board
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
for
all
the
project.
Types
that
you
see.
Approvals
are
in
two
forms,
resolutions
and
ordinances.
G
G
One
nice
thing
in
the
electronic
plans
is,
I
can
take
the
site
plan.
You
all
said
was
good,
take
the
one
that
comes
in
for
building
permit
overlay
them
and
in
10
minutes
I
can
tell
you
everything
that
matches
or
doesn't
match
that
took
hours
before
now.
So
so
that's
what
we
do.
We
verify
compliance
with
the
approved
site
plan
this
you
can't
read
but
I've,
given
you
a
handout-
and
I
think
I
emailed
this
to
you
as
well.
G
This
is
just
a
nice
graphic
that
actually
ali
produced
that
shows
the
approvals
shows
the
other
board
board
of
adjustment,
heritage
board,
public
art,
all
the
stuff.
We
do
administratively
just
to
show
you
who
all
is
reviewing
what.
G
G
G
G
That
board
has
final
approval
of
conditional
uses
and
what
are
called
special
exceptions.
Some
codes
have
special
exceptions,
which
is
a
list
of
things
allowed
in
any
zoning
by
special
exception,
like
hospitals
or
utility
transfer
yards
things
like
that,
usually
and
then
on
land
use.
Free
zoning
and
plan
developments,
the
planning
commission
holds
the
first
public
hearing
and
the
governing
body
holds
the
second
public
hearing
and
adopts,
makes
the
decision
and
adopts
the
ordinance.
G
G
But
it's
kind
of
it's
just
kind
of
interesting,
the
way
they're
operating
because
they're
still
splitting
the
hearings,
so
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
they're
doing
that,
but
they
moved
lpa
from
their
planning
commission
to
themselves
at
some
point.
So
that
gives
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
changes
that
take
place
over
the
years
in
monroe
county
prospective
members
of
the
planning
commission
are
brought
to
the
governing
body
by
an
individual
commissioner.
G
So
when
there's
an
election
new
commissioner
comes
in,
they
ask
you
know
they
have
somebody
they
would
like
to
be
on
that
they
ask
and
they
bring
that
person
to
the
board
so
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
it's
kind
of
a
political
appointee
type
type
of
board
and
in
my
experience,
working
seven
years
directly
for
them
and
then
as
a
consultant
for
years
after
it,
it
was
some-
and
I
I
will
tell
you,
monroe
county
very
lynn,
used
litigation
active,
very
active
at
that
time.
G
This
was
in
the
90s,
so
that
board
was
very
careful
and
and
very
good
board,
very
kind
of
tr.
Very
you
know
trained
in
the
process,
because
every
other
application
we
got
was
a
land
use
lawyer
representing
the
applicant,
so
they
got
they
got
some
kind
of
an
intense
experience,
but
so
so
you
know
that
that
was
a
board.
The
those
boards
were
good
boards.
G
They
were
very
careful
with
their
findings
and
and
that
because
of
that
atmosphere,
but
again
they
were
in
close
contact
with
their
appointing
commissioner
and-
and
they
tended
to
you,
know
kind
of
kind
of
see.
You
know
have
a
viewpoint
that
kind
of
lent
itself
to
that,
commissioner.
G
They
had
final
approval
of
conditional
uses
plats
and
they
heard
appeals
and
variances.
I
did
look
and
saw
that
now
in
their
code,
the
planning
director
issues
variances
and
the
planning
commission
simply
reviews
them
on
appeal.
If
someone
appeals
the
decision
and
then
they
hold
the
first
public
hearing
on
land
use,
rezoning
and
plan
development
at
both
of
these
jurisdictions
site
plans
for
uses
by
right
are
reviewed
at
the
staff
level.
They
don't
go
to
any
boards
unless
they're
appealed
in
hernando.
G
The
appeal
is
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners
in
monroe
to
the
planning
commission
and
neither
one
deals
with
development
agreements
they
defer
to
state
law.
We
we
have
a
whole
article
in
her
code
for
for
development
agreements.
Neither
of
them
do
they
just
rely
on
state
law,
and
I
just
made
a
note
that
you're
supposed
to
have
a
local
school
district
appointee
by
statute
and
they
do
kind
of
on
and
off
remember
we
talked
about
the
growth
management
act
being
changed
to
community
planning
act
under
rick
scott.
G
G
G
So
let's
go
out
to
the
regional
and
state
context.
The
city
does
operate.
Also
under
the
county-wide
plan.
The
county-wide
plan
is
promulgated
by
forward
pinellas.
Some
of
you
might
remember,
pinellas
county
council.
I
think
it
was
called
or
planning
council
is
now
forward
pinellas,
and
that
is
a
13-member
board
made
up
of
the
county
county
representatives,
county
commissioners,
city,
commissioners
and
the
psta.
The
transit
authority
we
are
represent.
Our
seat
represents
three
cities:
safety,
harbor,
dunedin
and
tarpon
springs
in
fact
at
the
next.
G
G
G
That
plan
has
no
jurisdiction
over
us,
nothing
to
do
and
do
really
with
us.
They
are
another
comp
plan
that
has
that's
under
that
umbrella
of
county-wide
plant.
We
all
have
to
be
consistent
with
that
county-wide
plan
and
rules,
ford
pinellas,
also,
really
they
primarily
serve
or
were
kind
of,
I
think,
created
to
be
the
metropolitan
planning
organization
of
the
county.
G
G
It's
called
they
call
it
advantage
pinellas
if
you
go
on
their
website,
which
I'll
give
you
in
a
minute
that
that's
that's,
how
we
get
federal
transportation
dollars
is
because
we
have
an
mpo
all
the
everybody
in
the
state.
Pretty
much
is,
is
you
know
all
the
higher
population
areas
have
to
have
an
mpo
so
forward.
Pinellas
serves
that
purpose
and
again.
Department
of
economic
opportunity
is
the
one
that
administers
the
growth
management
act.
G
Well,
the
growth
management,
which
is
now
called
the
community
planning
act
and
they
do
coordinate
the
review
of
the
local
amendments.
So
when
we
amend
our
future
land
use
map
or
like
the
property
rights
element
that
just
went
up,
we
have
to
send
it
to
them
for
review.
It's
usually
an
expedited
30-day
review.
G
The
only
other
thing
I'll
mention
I've
been
forwarding
you
guys
the
oh
florida
association,
american
planning
association
updates
on
the
legislative
session.
It's
over
and
there's
two
things
that
I
observe
that
probably
affect
us
most
with
the
state
that
the
state
does.
One
is
tolling
development
orders
they
they
haven't.
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
they
haven't
done
it
recently,
but
but
they
have
because
of
covid,
but
but
they
there
for
a
while
they
were
toll.
Happy,
I
would
say
the
downturn
was.
G
It
was
a
big
reason
to
toll
development
orders
for
four
five
six
years
and
by
tolling.
That
means,
if
somebody
was
supposed
to
start
building
on
this
date,
guess
what
you've
got
four
years
and-
and
you
know
that
date
is
pushed
up
four
years
out.
So
between
emergencies
and
economic
downturns,
or
whatever
reasons
the
state
will
sometimes
tend
to
keep
development
orders
alive
and
a
development
order.
Remember
is
any
action
that
the
any
kind
of
development
approval
site
plan
conditional
use
a
building
permit.
G
Those
are
all
kind
of
lumped
in
as
development
orders
by
state
statute,
so
there's
tolling
and
then
there's
what
I
call
tinkering
with
the
comp
plan
and
the
land
development
regulations,
and
by
that
I
mean
we've
seen
a
lot
of
the
preemption
stuff
right.
G
This
time
we
didn't,
we
had
a
couple
bills
introduced
to
backtrack
and
revoke
the
preemption,
short-term
rentals
and
the
tr
those
you
that
are
aware
of
the
tree.
You
know
where
you
can
cut
down
residential
trees
with
an
arborist
report,
but
neither
of
those
bills
made
it
anywhere.
Instead,
we
had
a
couple
of
what
I
call
glitch
bills
where
they
were
trying
to
fix
something
they
already
preempted.
G
Neither
of
those,
I
don't
think
fixed
anything,
that's
my
opinion
again,
but
that
that's
what
they
end
up
doing
they'll
pass
something
and
then
they'll
find
out
the
issues
with
it,
which
usually
just
creates
mostly
local
issues.
Then
they'll
try
to
fix
it,
but
you
know
we
do
have
some
things
that
have
come
in
about
development,
about.
G
You
know
what
what
you
can
can
permit
wear
a
couple,
a
couple
of
bills
that
have
passed,
and
I
I
won't
we
won't
get
into
those,
but
but
they
do
like
to
kind
of
put
that
umbrella
over
us
and
and
see
if
they
can
do
things.
That
way
here
are
some
links
to
ford
pinellas
county-wide
rules,
the
county-wide
map
that
we
have
to
comply
with
in
a
long-range
transportation
plan.
G
You
were
talking
about
special
topics
at
some
point.
If
you
all
want
some
special
topics,
we
can
bring
some
back
on
issues
you're
dealing
with
you
can
just
let
us
know
we
could
you
know.
Let
me
know
if
you
want
to
do
something
on
short-term
rentals
still
we
can't
do
that.
There
was
some
some
stuff
passed
this
session,
I'm
assuming
the
governor
will
sign
it.
G
It's
not
much
things
like
you
can't
regulate
airbnb's
website.
You
know
stuff
like
that
which
that
we
probably
didn't
contemplate
doing
anyway,
but
nothing
real
earth-shattering
and
any
other
topics
that
you
would
like
to
see,
and
so
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
being
patient
and
going
through
this
with
me.
G
I
really
want
you
guys,
you
know
you
guys
are
the
local
planning
agency.
I
want
you
to
be
encouraged
in
be
able
to
find
these
things.
You
want
to
know
and
and
kind
of
get
the
context
for
all
this.
I
would
like
to
use
this
for
new
members.
I
believe
I
believe,
you're
going
to
have
a
item
on
the
board
of
commissioner's
agenda
for
april
26
to
select
at
least
one
new
member
or
short
one
right,
or
maybe
it
was
short
two.
G
So
we'll
do
that,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
kind
of
give
this
to
the
new
members
for
orientation,
keep
adapting
it
keep.
You
know
whatever
suggestions,
you
guys
have
for
what
you
want
to
know
or,
and
course
we'll
update
it
as
code
changes
and
procedure,
changes
that
you
guys
adopt
happen.
We'll
obviously
update
this,
but
hopefully
that
helps
and
it'll
give
something
more
than
just
the
sunshine,
a
quasi-judicial
that
you
get
at
clerk's
office.
So
any
questions.
A
I'd
I'd
just
like
to
really
thank
you
for
putting
this
together
for
us
and
I'd
like
to
reiterate
that
that
new
members
should
go
through
it
and
and
preferably,
if
there's
any
way
to
accommodate
it,
go
through
it
even
before
they
sit
for
the
first
meeting
here.
So
so
we
do
have
people
coming
in
being
being
aware
of
some
of
the
intricacies
of
of
what
we
are
allowed
to
do
and
not
allowed
to
do
and
so
forth.
Okay,.
B
H
H
H
F
It
can,
I
ask
you
a
question:
yes,
the
okay,
so
in
there
the
board
of
commissioners
has
to
hear
anything.
We
can't
do
they
have
it
has
to
go
to
them.
If
it's
a
legislative
right
like
there's
certain
things
that
right.
G
G
If
you're
talking
about
changing
the
code,
they
could
certainly
look
at
the
code.
I
don't
know
if
eric,
if
you
want
to
answer
them.
B
G
G
D
D
You
are
the
board
that
is
responsible
for
making
recommendations
to
changes
to
the
code
to
land
development
code.
If
you
look
at
your
enabling
ordinance,
that
tells
you
what
your
powers
and
duties
are.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
you
have
the
ability
to
do
it's
community
by
community.
In
some
communities,
the
lpa
like
pat
said,
is
actually
the
commission.
That's
very
rare,
a
lot
of
communities.
D
It's
the
lpa
is
a
board
that
has
the
ability
to
make
final
decisions
and
some
of
those
those
types
of
site
plan
reviews
a
lot
of
times
will
go
to
the
lpa,
sometimes
site
reviews
don't
go
to
the
lpa
at
all.
Sometimes
they
stay
at
the
staff
level.
So
it
really
depends
on
how
the
legislative
body
of
your
community
wants
to
change
the
law
and
what
powers
and
authorities
they
want
to
give
to.
The
the
planning
and
zoning
board
sitting
as
the
lpa
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
A
But
I
think
everybody's
been
contacted
about
it,
and-
and
that
is
one
among
many
things
that
that
we
are
going
to
discuss
with
the
interest
of
ultimately
bringing
something
to
request
that
the
the
boc
consider
making
some
changes
in
in
our
code
to
to
resolve
some
issues.
We've
had
and
and
to
address
that
kind
of
thing.
And
if,
if
we
haven't
talked
to
erica
about
that
already,
we
would
want
her
to
attend
that.
No.
D
G
G
D
G
D
G
G
F
G
A
I
mean
I
was
the
one
that
brought
it
up
based
on
discussions
that
we'd
all
had
in
you
know
at
the
end
of
some
of
these
meetings,
the
feeling
was
that
we
needed
to
to
look
at
addressing
some
issues
in
the
code
and
and
and
and
other
things,
and
I
I
felt
like
at
least
it
would
be
more
productive
to
do
it
around
a
conference
table
than
in
this
setting.
I
agree,
I
think.
B
D
H
Although,
since
we're
not
even
supposed
to
be
having
a
workshop
better
that
we
have
it
at
the
conference
room,
but
you
did
bring
up
a
watch,
this
word
a
very
salient
point
that
we
are
in
fact
not
supposed
to
have
a
workshop.
It's
just
not
written
currently
written
in.
D
You
don't
really
have
the
ability
to
have
a
workshop
meeting
the
way
that
your
powers
and
duties
flesh
out
you
don't
really
have
that
ability
again
whether
or
not
we
do
it
or
not.
Whether
or
not
you
have
the
ability
to
do
it
or
not
you.
You
know.
The
other
thing
about
a
workshop
is
you're
not
allowed
to
actually
take
any
action.
It's
just
discussion.
There's
no
votes,
there's
nothing!
So
there's
usually
also
not
public
participation.
It's
a
publicly
noticed
meeting,
but
it's
just
a
discussion
among
the
board
members.
D
Public
comment
is
not
part
of
a
workshop,
so
you
know
workshops
are
typically
held
only
by
usually
by
the
legislative
body
of
the
community,
because,
again
sunshine
law.
You
have
to
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
things
in
public,
so
that's
typically
what
it's
reserved
for,
but
at
this
point
it's
been
scheduled,
so
I
will
be
there
well.
D
Think
that
it's
important
one,
that
we
have
a
that
there
would
be
an
agenda
and
that
the
agenda
topics
be
things
that
one
the
actual
the
board
can
actually
have
some
sort
of
effect
on
meaning
you
get
your
agenda
items
and,
if
they're
pie
in
the
sky
like
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
laws
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Will
you
can
discuss
that?
That's
sure,
but
that's
something
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
right,
that
you.
A
D
Have
the
ability
to
do
it
or
you
want
to
be
able
to
say
no
more
meetings
at
city
hall?
Let's
go
I'll,
have
them
at
johnny's.
You
know
you
can
discuss
it,
but
again.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
tailored
to
what
your
main
concerns
are,
and
I
think
maybe,
if
we
can
do
it
at
the
next
meeting
and
have
a
discussion
item
about
what
you'd
like
to
see
on
the
agenda
for
the
workshop.
I
think
that.
D
Time
to
think
about
it
from
now
until
then,
and
everybody
can
kind
of
come
up
with
ideas,
and
I
would
suggest
that
you
take
a
look
at
your
enabling
ordinance
within
the
code
of
ordinances
to
see
what
it
is
that
this
board
actually
functions
as
and
if
something
in
there
you'd
like
to
see
change
that
you
want
to
bring
to
the
commission's.
You
know.
A
D
Forefront
you
can,
but
you
know
remember
that
that
can
only
be
done
really
through
staff,
where
one
person
showing
I
mean
you
can't
even
really
have
one
person
show
up
at
a
meeting
and
give
a
report,
because
you
know
there's
also
some
sunshine
issues
there
too.
So
we'll
figure
it
out.
It's
it's,
not
it's
not
typical,
but
we'll
figure
it
out.
A
H
Because
I'm
a
little
slow,
forgive
me
pat,
because
I'm
a
little
slow,
we're
organizing
amazing
meaning
that
technically
we're
not
supposed
to
have
and
we're
creating
an
agenda
for
a
meeting
we're
not
supposed
to
have.
But
we
can't
discuss
the
agenda
amongst
ourselves.
We
have
to
submit
it
secretly
to
staff
that
will
be.
G
H
H
Me
asking
one
more
question,
because
it
appears
that
our
council,
if
we
agreed,
perhaps
just
in
conversation,
that
it's
healthy
for
there
to
be
adjustments
made
to
how
we
operate
as
the
lpa
or
we'll
just
say
the
lpa.
I
think
there's
unanimous
agreement
that
maybe
we
need
a
tune-up.
D
No
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
whittle
it
down
to
what
I
think
you
mean.
Okay,
you,
you
are
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
you
sit
as
the
city's
lpa.
One
of
your
powers
and
duties
is
to
make
changes
to
the
land
development
code.
Your
enabling
ordinance
is
embedded
within
the
land
development
code.
So
you
have
the
ability
to
review
that
ordinance
and
make
suggestions
to
the
board
of
commissioners
as
to
what
you
can
change.
D
How
typically
that's
done
in
this
board?
We've
never
had
a
workshop,
the
entire
time.
I've
been
here
in
fact:
well,
I'm
not
even
going
to
get
into
that
whole
other
mess
anyway.
So
how
it's
typically
done
is
you
have
an
application
that
comes
before
you?
It's
about
setbacks,
zero
lot
lines
in
whatever,
whatever
the
rm
100
district.
D
You
don't
want
zero
lot
lines
in
there.
You
want
there
to
be
25
foot
step
back.
You
think
it's
appropriate
in
this
day
and
age
that
there'd
be
a
25-foot
setback.
This
is
a
complete
hypothetical
right,
so
you
as
a
board,
get
this
application
and
say
we
think
we
need
to
make
a
recommended
change.
Okay,
let's
add
that
onto
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting,
we'll
discuss
that
item
and
see
about
making
a
change
you
added
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting.
You
discuss
it
at
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting.
D
You
say:
okay
staff
we'd
like
to
make
this
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
we'd
like
to
see
this
change
to
this
ordinance
done,
and
this
is
our
reasoning.
Why,
then
staff
takes
it
to
the
city
manager?
The
city
manager
presents
it
to
the
commission
and
then
they
can
choose
whether
or
not
they
want
to
take
that
recommendation
to
make
the
change
or
not.
D
That's
typically
how
it
happens
right
now.
You
have
a
process
to
where
you
are
revamping
your
entire
code,
and
so
these
things
are
now
going
to
be
brought
to
you
instead
of
you,
generating
the
change
it'll
be
brought
to
you
from
after
lots
of
town
hall
meetings
and
things
like
that.
It'll
be
brought
to
you
one
by
one
for
the
changes
or
the
wholesale
changes
to
the
code.
That
is
happening
in
a
lot
of
communities
that
way
too,
so
that
you're
not
responsible
for
really
redrafting
code.
D
D
H
D
You
don't
really
have
the
power
and
authority
to
do
that
under
the
code.
That's
administrative!
That's
the
power
to
to
handle
administrative
processes
and
procedures
is
governed
by
the
city
manager,
the
department
head
staff
you're
talking
about
now.
I
say
that,
with
this
caveat,
if
there's
a
process,
that's
laid
out
in
an
ordinance
that
says
this
is
what
you
are
to
submit.
This
is
what
happens
next.
This
is
what
happened
that
this
is
what
happens
after
that.
Then
sure
you
have
the
ability
to
discuss
that
and
make
recommended
changes
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
D
But
if
you're
talking
about
us,
you
know
a
department
level
policy
within
the
city,
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
touch
that
at
all.
You
can
certainly
make
recommendations
to
staff
and
they
can
take
them
back
and
do
with
them
what
they
will,
but
that's,
not
the
power
and
duty
of
this
board
and
that's
not
even
the
power
and
duty
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
You
know
that
that's
they
are
a
legislative
body.
D
They
are,
they
don't
deal
with
the
day-to-day
administration
of
the
city,
so
that
that
is
an
administrative
function
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
and
this
that's
inappropriate
for
this
board
to
really
meddle
in.
A
Just
one
question
kind
of
kind
of
being
the
devil's
advocate
on
that
one,
though,
if
somebody
brings
us
a
huge
development
project
and
and
we
and
it's
got
you
know
a
annexation
or
rezoning
a
site
plan
and
variances
all
rolled
into
to
one
thing:
we
don't
have
the
right
to
say
we
don't
want
to
hear
this
entire
application
in
one
meeting
well,
first.
D
You're
never
going
to
hear
variances
this
board
doesn't
do
that
you're
only
going
to
hear
the
things
that
the
code
allows
you
to
hear
so
site
plan
reviews
a
lot
of
times.
What
I'm
thinking
you're
talking
about
is
when
you
get
annexations
changes
to
the
future
land
use
map
and
rezonings
all
in
one
and
there's
three
ordinances,
and
it's
a
big
project
and
they're
asking
for
all
these
things.
Well,.
A
D
G
A
But
I
mean,
unless
I'm
mistaken,
I'm
pretty
certain.
We
we
have
seen
rezonings
and
site
plans,
particularly
on
large
projects,.
D
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
them
not
to
travel
together,
especially
if
you're,
considering
all
of
the
same
evidence
in
order
to
make
a
determination
on
three
or
four
different
things.
It
wouldn't
make
sense
to
have
three
or
four
different
hearings.
It's
also
the
applicant's
due
process
right
to
be
heard
and
be
heard
in
a
timely
fashion.
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I
don't.
D
I
don't
necessarily
know
that
I
think
staff
does
a
fairly
good
job
of
not
giving
you
too
much
on
your
agenda,
but
as
far
as
with
one
application
having
three
or
four
ordinances
to
consider
for
one
specific
project,
I
I
think
that's
just
the
nature
of
development.
That's
the
nature
of
the
beast.
I've
not
seen
it
done
anywhere
else
in
any
other
community
differently
than
that,
mostly
because
then
you
would
be
having
four
hearings:
four
different
months
with
the
same
evidence
being
presented,
but
now
you're,
just
looking
at
different
criteria
for
each
each
presentation.
G
G
Of
processing-
and
I
didn't
provide
you
a
copy
of
your
newly
adopted
rules
or
procedure-
I
I
suppose
those
are
up.
You
know
if
you
want
to.
I
don't
know
if
those
were
something
you
were
interested
in
talking
about
at
the
workshop.
I
suppose
you
could
bring
something
up
if
there's
something
that
you
know
that
that
erica
or
that
you
know,
is
allowable
to
change
that
you
want
to
change.
You
could
look
at
that.
Look
at
the
code
and
go
from
there
and-
and
I
did
by
the
way,
give
you
the
comprehensive
plan.
G
B
F
G
G
We
I
mean
we
had
one
last
month
right
where
we
didn't
make
a
recommendation,
you
know,
that's
rare,
really,
you
know,
and-
and
you
could
theoretically,
you
could
do
that
for
everything
that
comes
in
here,
but
your
planning
staff,
in
my
opinion,
should
should
make
a
suggestion.
A
recommendation
should
give
you
their
honest
opinion.
G
I
think
that
that
is
the
best
course
of
action.
I've
always
thought
it
was
so
you
know,
I
think,
that's
that's.
What
you're
kind
of
paying
for
the
planning
staff.
D
So
if
an
applicant
comes
before
you,
they
are
required
to
present
the
evidence
to
you
staff's
not
required
to,
but
the
applicant
is
staff.
Is
here
representing
the
city?
You
guys
do
not
represent
the
city.
You
are
an
independent
board.
You
are
you,
don't
have
the
city's
interest
at
heart?
You
don't
have
the
applicant's
interest
at
heart.
You
have
your
criteria
that
you
are
bound
to
and
you
are
here
to
act
in
your
sit
in
a
judicial
type
capacity.
D
Take
in
the
evidence
that's
presented
by
both
parties.
Reason
it
against
the
criteria
that
you've
been
given
and
make
a
final
and
make
a
decision.
America
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
So
that's
why
staff
is
here
because
they
are
here
representing
the
city.
You
are
not
here
representing
the
city,
I'm
not
here
representing
the
city,
I'm
representing
you,
I'm
advising
you.
I
don't
always
agree
with
what
staff
says,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
just
to
guide
you
in
the
right
direction
with.
D
B
G
Well,
if
you
do,
if
you
look
at
the
training
series,
there
are
a
couple
of
slides
that
list
your
duties
and
then
the
second
module
goes
through
all
the
criteria
that
you
use
to
review
all
of
your
applications:
okay,
they're
all
different,
so.