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This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
applied
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
E
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
D
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
four
application:
22-07.
It's
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
alternative,
dimensional
criteria
for
residential
multi-family
development,
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
east
lyme
and
south
gross
avenue
in
the
residential
multi-family
zoning
district.
Do
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
F
Yes,
alley
keen
planning
and
zoning,
and
just
as
a
reminder,
this
application
was
previously
heard
by
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
Last
month,
the
applicant
requested
to
defer
the
item
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
coming
up
during
the
hearing.
So
this
is
the
revised
plans
just
as
a
reminder.
This
application
is
located
at
the
corner
of
east
lime,
street
and
south
gross
avenue
it's
outlined
in
yellow
here
on
the
screen.
The
property
is
located
within
the
rm
residential
multi-family
zoning
district.
F
F
This
is
a
look
at
the
revised
site
plan.
I've
shaded
in
the
building
footprint
in
blue
each
unit
will
have
access
to
the
street
via
a
porch
which
all
the
porches
are
shaded
in
orange,
with
a
sidewalk
connection
in
the
darker
orange
they'll
also
have
an
access
point
from
the
garage
to
each
different
unit.
I'm
sorry
from
the
garage
from
the
parking
lot
for
each
of
the
units
parking
will
be
provided
interior
to
the
site
and
access
from
the
alley.
F
F
Residential
projects
that
are
in
the
rm
zoning
district
are
able
to
request
an
alternative
dimensional
plan
where
they
can
modify
some
of
the
zoning
dimensional
criteria.
The
intent
behind
this
provision
is
to
accommodate
unique
residential
projects
or
projects
that
might
be
located
on
unusual
or
difficult
sites.
This
requires
conditional
use
approval
for
compatibility
review.
The
table.
That's
here
on
the
screen
includes
all
of
the
typical
rm
standards
for
setbacks.
F
In
this
column,
the
middle
column
is
showing
the
original
proposed,
which
you
reviewed
last
month,
and
then
the
proposed
revised
is
this
outside
column
and
everything
that's
in
red
is
what
they're
requesting
modifications
of
so
just
to
to
review.
The
rm
district
does
require
a
minimum
front
yard
setback
of
25
feet.
Originally
they're
asking
for
a
minimum
setback
of
zero
feet.
They've
modified
their
plans
to
accommodate
a
minimum
setback
of
four
feet
along
the
front.
F
The
typical
required
side,
yard
setback
is
20
feet
originally
they're
requesting
6.33
feet.
It's
been
modified
to
a
minimum
three
and
a
half
feet
in
order
to
accommodate
a
larger
setback
from
the
street,
and
then
the
rear
setback
is
still
proposed
at
five
feet.
When,
typically,
a
20
foot,
rear
yard
setback
would
be
required.
F
F
F
The
applicants
also
provided
a
conceptual
landscape
plan
with
the
revised
submittal,
showing
that
there
is
opportunity
to
provide
landscaping
between
the
building
and
the
properties
property
line,
the
sidewalk
with
the
additional
setback
area.
Another
thing
to
note
is,
although
they're
asking
for
reduced
setbacks,
these
are
requested
to
be
minimum
setbacks.
The
four
foot
require
requested
front
setback
is
not
going
to
apply
to
the
entire
frontage
on
both
gross
and
lime.
The
building
does
have
different
recesses
has
different
setback
requirements.
This
is
just
the
smallest
portion.
F
F
They
also
provided
a
schematic
section
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
the
distances
between
the
edge
of
pavement
to
the
fronts
of
the
building.
So
here's
this
is
looking
along
lime
street.
The
edge
of
pavement
of
the
street
is
here
approximately
11
feet
or
so
between
the
edge
of
pavement
and
the
property
line.
There's
a
sidewalk
in
between
and
there's
area
again
where
they
can
provide
some
landscaping
between
the
building
and
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
front
of
the
building.
F
They
also
provided
elevation
drawings
for
the
project.
One
thing
to
note
about
elevation
drawings,
you're,
looking
at
a
2d
picture,
so
it's
not
showing
you
the
different
recesses,
but,
according
to
the
site,
plans
all
the
porches,
which
are
these
lightly
grade
areas
here,
will
be
recessed
back.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
a
flat
wall
across
the
entire
frontage.
F
F
F
F
F
One
thing
that
we
talked
about
last
month
was
there's
an
existing
parking
pad
for
the
adjacent
property,
which
is
at
cottage
court.
One
thing
that
we
had
noted
as
a
condition
was
that
they
needed
to
verify
that
the
proposed
building
would
not
encroach
into
the
visibility
triangle
for
this
parking
pad
on
the
revised
plans.
They
did
provide
that
dimension,
and
it
shows
that
it
will
not
be
an
issue
with
proposed
building
at
this
location.
F
Looking
at
your
review
criteria,
the
alternative,
dimensional
plan
provision
is
intended
to
be
utilized
for
bit
unique
residential
projects
that
don't
typically
conform
to
the
traditional
zoning
regulations.
F
The
pros
project
does
respond
to
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
by
utilizing
a
more
urban
layout
with
pushing
this
building
towards
the
street
and
putting
the
parking
interior
to
the
site.
The
site
is
located
in
a
mixed
residential
area
that
has
a
combination
of
both
single
family
detached
homes
as
well
as
small
scale
multi-family.
F
F
With
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2022-09,
we
do
have
two
conditions.
Originally,
we
had
three.
We
removed
the
third
one
which
was
talking
about
that
visibility
triangle,
but
the
two
conditions
that
we
have
are
the
proposed
setbacks
so
be
considered
to
be
minimums
required
and
may
be
increased
if
necessary
during
the
site
plan
process.
F
Buffering
of
the
parking
lot
from
adjacent
property
shall
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process
and
staff
does
believe
that
this
is
a
unique
residential
project
that
meets
the
overall
intent
of
the
alternative,
dimensional
plan
provision
and
does
represent
context
sensitive
infill
development.
With
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
F
D
A
C
So,
just
for
the
folks
that
were
here
at
the
last
meeting
this
this
proposal
had
come
forward
before
and
we
asked
them
to
move
things
back
a
little
and
also
to
give
us
renderings
because
we're
not
as
visual
as
as
some
people
are,
and
so
we
want
to.
C
First,
I
want
to
commend
you
on
the
schematics
and
the
presentation
and
the
and
the
visuals.
Let
me
ask
you
the
does
the
staff-
and
I
admit
this
was
actually
a
staff
question.
I
apologize
for
going
backwards.
The
are
you
this
this
one
elevation.
Drawing
that
that
front
one.
Are
you
comfortable
that
that
blends?
Well
with
the
general
community
there.
F
I
I
believe
so
one
thing
that
I
have
to
say
is
like
actual
aesthetics,
such
as
paint
colors
materials.
Things
like
that
the
land
development
code
doesn't
cover
any
of
that,
but
I
do
think
a
one-story
development
with
you
know
additional
density
on
the
property,
that's
within
the
permitted
density
of
the
site.
A
And
I
would
I
would
comment
that
I
that
I
think
I
I
feel
much
better
about
the
project
as
it
is
now.
I
think
it's
it's
a
relatively
small
space,
but
it
potentially
makes
a
lot
of
difference
and
I'm
sorry.
We
delayed
your
process,
but
I
think
it
it
is
an
improved
project
as
a
result
of
the
delay
and
we
we
appreciate
your
participation
in
making
the
changes
we
agree.
I
agree.
B
F
Allokine
planning
and
zoning
so
just
to
kind
of
provide
some
clarity
with
this
application.
So
again,
back
at
the
march
meeting,
the
planning
zoning
board
had
a
similar
request
to
what
you're
going
to
see
here
tonight.
The
board
did
ultimately
recommend
denial
of
that
application.
F
The
applicant
since
has
withdrawn
their
original
application
and
they
resubmitted
a
new
application
addressing
some
of
the
concerns
they
heard
from
the
board
about
their
original
submittal.
So
this
represents
the
new
application,
although
it's
very
similar
to
what
you
reviewed
previously.
F
As
a
reminder,
this
property
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
east
boyer
street
and
south
gross
avenue.
Again
it's
located
in
the
residential
multi-family
zoning
district.
This
particular
property
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
city
special
area
plan
to
the
north,
we're
again
seeking
alternative
dimensional
plan
approval
for
reductions
of
the
front
side
and
rear
yard
setbacks,
and
this
is
to
construct
a
six
unit
multi-family
building
on
this
property.
F
F
F
F
This
is
a
look
at
the
conceptual
landscape
plan
for
this
project,
very
similar
to
what
you
just
reviewed
and
just
like
that
project.
Although
they're
asking
for
reduced
setbacks,
it's
not
applying
to
the
entire
frontage
of
the
building
there's
different
areas
such
as
with
the
recessed
porches
here,
where
the
building
is
recessed
and
not
a
flat
wall
across
the
front
of
the
street
and
then
at
the
intersection.
The
closest
setback
is
32
feet
from
the
street.
F
This
is
the
schematic
section
for
boyer
street,
and
this
shows
that
there's
approximately
10
feet
between
the
edge
of
pavement
of
the
street
to
the
property
line
and
there's
the
sidewalk
and
there's
area
for
some
landscaping
in
between
the
building
and
the
porch.
That's
recessed
from
the
building
for
clarity
and
the
elevation
is
very
similar
to
last
project.
F
Looking
at
the
neighborhood
context,
again,
it's
in
the
same
general
area
being
that
it
is
also
an
area
where
there
is
some
low
intensity
commercial
uses
along
lemon
street.
One
thing
of
note
is
there:
are
some
existing
vacant
lots
to
the
east
and
west
of
the
site
that
will
likely
be
redeveloped
in
the
future?.
F
As
far
as
your
roof
review
criteria,
the
alternative
dimensional
plan
again
is
intended
for
unique
projects
that
don't
typically
conform
to
your
traditional
zoning
standards.
This
proposed
project
is
responsive
to
the
context
of
the
neighborhood.
F
The
site
is
located
in
a
mixed
use
area,
with
a
combination
of
single
and
multi-family
residential
and
low
intensity
commercial
uses.
The
project
is
again
within
the
allowable
density
for
the
site.
It's
only
going
to
be
one
story.
Shifting
the
building
close
to
the
street
allows
for
parking
to
be
screened
behind
the
building.
The
use
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
it
is
not
located
on
an
environmentally
sensitive
area
or
within
a
mapped
historic
district.
F
It's
not
expected
to
adversely
affect
the
adjoining
property
values
and
it
can
be
served
by
existing
city
facilities
and
it
does
represent
efficient.
Orderly
development
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2022-13
to
allow
for
the
alternative
dimensional
plan.
We
have
two
conditions
with
this
recommendation.
A
G
None
sorry,
we
were
talking
behind
your
back.
H
F
G
To
see
you
ali,
it's
a
it's
a
minor
detail,
but
on
the
pages
that
are
labeled,
alternative,
dimensional
plants,
we
have
the
macro,
and
then
the
micro
and
the
micro
shows
a
front,
a
32
that
I'm
just
using
that
for
reference,
but
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
specifically
the
front
setback
on
the
macro
plan.
It's
labeled
as
5.5
feet
and
on
the
micro
plan,
it's
labeled
as
6.5
feet.
F
Actually,
what
I
was
trying
to
show
here
is
that
so
that
5.5
setback
is
actually
from
the
building
front
to
the
property
line.
This
was
showing
that
their
you
know.
The
porch
railing
is
six
and
a
half
feet.
So
there's
different
setbacks
is
what
I
was
trying
to
highlight,
but
that
is
pretty
confusing.
G
G
If
we
look
at
the
pretty
pictures
and
we're
looking
at
the
subject
property
and
at
the
sidewalk
on
the
property
side,
there
is
an
existing
curb
that
is
actually
made
out
of
chopped
granite
and
that's
kind
of
a
product
that
is
ancient
and,
at
the
same
time,
newly
installed
to
be
matching
kind
of
a
historical
item.
And
if
I
looked
at
the
property
line,
it
looks
like
the
property
line
actually
extends
within
to
the
sidewalk.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
my
question
is:
is
that
to
be
preserved
as
part
of
the
project.
G
I
Hello,
my
name
is
samuel
aldefari,
I'm
not
aware
I'll
be
honest
with
you
that
it's
granite,
but
if
it
is
of
any
historical
value,
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
couldn't
preserve
it.
You're
just
alerting
me
something
to
pay
attention
to.
G
You
know
it's
it's
a
fair
question
and
since
you
were
here
talking
about
it,
as
I
understand
it
now,
I
could
be
wrong
because
the
picture
might
not
be
right,
but
this
is
how
I
understand
this
at
once.
Upon
a
time,
those
pieces
of
granite
were
used
as
ballast
as
ships
that
came
across
the
atlantic
and
then
they
were
offloaded,
and
so
they
weren't
necessarily
cut
just
for
curbs.
I
Right
to
the
side,
I
didn't
take
that
much
detail
it.
It
seemed
to
me,
but
that's
memory,
now
that
this,
what
you
see
here
is
a
remnants
of
what
may
have
been
a
building
there
at
a
time,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
concrete
that
I
noticed.
But
if
it's
it's
a
granite,
I'm
a
mr
recycler
to
get
to
know
me
so
anything
that
I
can
reuse
again.
G
G
F
And
just
as
a
reminder
if,
when
this
moves
forward,
if
the
conditional
uses
approved
by
the
border
commissioners
they'll
have
to
go
through
site
plan
process,
so
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
see
it
again
or
yes,
it
goes
to
planning
zoning
for
site
plan,
so
there
may
be
more
details
to
come.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
comment
on
this
application.
G
C
The
I'm
excited
to
see
your
project
develop.
I
think
this,
I
think
you
guys
would
agree
that
this
is
how
government
should
work.
We
work
together
and
I
think
we
you
accomplished
what
you
needed
to
and
and
we
as
a
city
feel
more
comfortable
about
the
project,
so
I
think
we're
all
we're.
I
think
we
should
all
be
happy.
A
Thank
you
thanks
for
working
with
us.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
guys.
That
brings
us
to
application
numbers
or
item
number
six
application
2219
it's
about
1093,
south
florida
avenue.
It
is
annexation,
future
land
use
map
amendment
and
a
zoning
map
amendment
all
three
at
this
time
does
the.
H
H
This
is
an
application
for
annexation
of
a
single
lot
located
here
at
the
corner
of
south
florida
avenue
and
curlew
place,
and
this
annexation
is
the
the
kind
of
the
motivation
for
this
one
is
that
this
applicant
needs
city,
water
and
sewer
service,
so
they
need
to
annex
into
the
city,
apply
for
annexation
to
receive
that
service
that
is
available
to
that
lot.
H
H
Residential,
suburban
is
the
county
zoning.
We
are
proposing
residential,
suburban
city,
I'm
sorry
future
land
use
map
to
correspond
with
that.
The
county's
zoning
is
our
three
single
family
residential
we're
proposing
our
100
single-family
residential,
your
annexation
criteria.
This
is
adjacent
to
the
city
limits
to
the
north.
The
property
to
the
north
is
in
the
city,
so
this
lot
is
adjacent
to
the
city
limits
and
is
contiguous.
H
H
The
lot
density
intensity
under
under
county
residential,
suburban
and
under
city
residential
suburban,
allows
one
unit.
So
that's
the
the
highest
intensity
for
this
lot.
It
meets
the
r100
lot,
dimensional
criteria
so
and
it
is
being
built
with
a
home.
So
that
is
the
limit
of
the
density
for
this
line.
H
With
respect
to
your
future,
land
use
again
we're
going
to
residential
suburban,
which
is
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
street
and
with
the
current
county
future
land
use,
and
we
have
a
proposed
zoning
of
our
100.
That's
consistent
with
that
residential,
suburban
future
land
use
and
allows
basically
mainly
family
development,
which
this
lot
is
being
developed.
As,
let's
see,
if
there's
anything
else,
that.
H
C
H
H
H
The
owner
would
not
be
able
to
then
or
or
any
future
owner,
add-on
or
or
you
know
any
of
those
types
of
things
unless
it
was
in
conformance
with
our
setbacks.
C
H
C
Our
inspectors
inspect
the
property.
H
C
H
G
I
have
a
question
and
you
kind
of
segued
it
right
into
it.
Hi
pat,
thank
you
and
I'll.
Just
repeat
what
you
said
that
you
weren't
submitted
actually
I'll
go
back
a
step.
This
house
is
being
built,
it's
well
along
walls
are
up
sure
trusses
are
probably
being
delivered,
and
it
strikes
me
as
unique
or
odd.
That
now
is
the
time
that's
being
asked
for
annexation,
and
I
know
we've
covered
this
before.
G
G
H
H
H
H
G
H
H
E
And
I'm
sorry,
mr
vessy,
for
interrupting,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
let
you
guys
know
before
we
get
too
far
down
this
road.
The
annexation
is
a
quasi-judicial.
E
Item
on
your
agenda,
that
requires
you
to
look
at
the
criteria:
the
criteria
in
your
packet.
They
were
on
the
on
the
overhead
as
well,
and
there's
only
certain
things
that
you
were
to
consider,
which
is
why
you
weren't,
given
a
site
plan
review.
So
whether
or
not
there
is
a
home
and
I'm
not
saying
that
your
questions
aren't
valid.
E
I'm
just
saying
for
the
purposes
of
the
three
applications
before
you
and
what
you
are
to
consider
in
order
to
make
your
decision
whether
or
not
a
site
plan
was
provided
to
you
is
irrelevant.
E
E
And-
and
I
understand
that
mr
vessey-
I
appreciate
that,
but
my
job
as
your
legal
advisor
is
to
advise
you
on
the
law,
and
I
give
my
little
speech
at
the
beginning
of
every
single
meeting
about
quasi-judicial
proceedings.
So
I
would
be
remiss
and
not
doing
my
duty
to
advise
you
that
these
are
two
of
the
three
of
these
applications
before
you
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature.
E
I'm
not
here
to
make
the
decision,
I'm
just
here
to
make
sure
that
that
I
clarify
for
the
record
and
that
the
board
is
well
aware
that
the
there
are
certain
criteria
that
you
are
supposed
to
adhere
to,
and
your
decision
should
be
based
on
those
criteria
and
and
not
something
that
is
outside
of
the
scope
of
those
criteria.
G
E
If
you
look
at
your
review
criteria
for
annexations,
because
the
way
that
you
had
couched
that
question-
and
I
don't
know
what
else
it
would
be
in
relation
to
either
the
flume
amendment
or
the
rezoning-
and
maybe
perhaps
it
is
part
of
the
rezoning
which
is
also
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
needs
to
be,
those
criteria
need
to
be
followed.
E
So,
but
you
couched
it
in
with
the
annexation,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
only
three
criteria
to
consider
with
the
annexation
and
the
site
plan
would
not
address
any
one
of
those
three
criteria.
H
J
I'd
like
to
just
touch
on
some
of
the
things
he
said
harassed
omar
abbas,
abby's
development
when
I
purchased
the
property
and
was
going
through
my
due
diligence,
it
came
to
me
that
there
was
sewer
within
300
feet
when
you're,
when
you're
within
300
feet,
you're
forced
to
connect
to
sewer
it's
not
a
choice
that
I'm
making
last
minute.
None
of
this
is
last
minute
for
me.
J
I
knew
that
I
needed
to
connect
but
there,
but
this
the
county,
when
I
met
with
them,
told
me
that
there
was
access
to
it
and
access
to
water
like
the
rest
of
the
street,
so
that
was
where
I
went
on
with
my
plans
once
I
submitted
my
permits,
I
think
back
in
september
I
don't
remember
when,
in
september
we
were
going
through
the
motions
and
then,
as
I
got
to
the
utility
towards
the
end
of
the
permitting
process,
they
told
me
I
needed
to
speak
to
planning
and
zoning
about
connecting
when
I
reached
out
to
them.
J
They
told
me
that
I
needed
to
annex
because
I'm
on
the
property
cusp
and
or
or
whatever
you
call
it
right
on
the
line
to
use
the
utilities
and
because
I'm
there,
I'm
not
one
in
I'm
directly
frontage
to
the
city.
I
had
no
problem
with
that.
I
grew
up
in
the
city.
J
J
I
was
told
I
needed
to
and
I
was
told
that
I
can
and
it
was
voluntarily-
and
I
wanted
to
voluntarily
do
that,
but
I
wasn't
going
to
delay
the
project
you
know
six
months
to
you
know
when
I
know
the
building
code
and
some
of
the
other
questions
I'll
answer
as
well,
so
we
went
ahead
with
our
permit.
We
got
our
permit
and
we
started
construction
as
soon
as
we
got
close
enough
to
this
meeting.
I
submitted
the
paperwork
that
I
was
requested
to
submit
nothing.
J
I
was
I
received
requested
anything
or
I've
worked
with
the
city
many
times
on
projects
I
would
have
provided
them.
Everything
that
I
have
regarding
site
plan
plans,
the
type
of
construction
we're
doing
so
you
you
know
I
would
have
provided
that
if
that
was
part
of
a
prerequisite
to
this,
so
that
that
that's
regarding
how
this
all
came
about.
Second
thing
that
you
you
brought
up
was
the
building
code.
We
follow.
J
I
built
several
homes
in
tarpon
right
now
and
for
the
past
several
years,
it's
built
to
code
and
above
code
in
every
way
the
county
requires
the
same
inspections
as
the
city,
and
I
was
told
soon
as
if
the
annexation
went
through.
Then
the
city
would
be
doing
all
of
our
inspections,
which
I
prefer
so
or
whatever.
The
process
is
never
annexed
before
so
no
problem
with
that.
J
J
The
side
street
is
15
feet
in
the
city
and
we're
at
10
feet
and
the
rear
yard
is
30
feet
and
we're
at
20
feet.
So
it's
a
difference
of
5,
4,
5
and
10
difference
which
meets,
I
believe,
the
other
zoning
there,
but
was
told
that
none
of
that
is
part
of
this.
But
our
lot
fits
everything
else
is
is
satisfactory.
J
There
are
other
things
that
the
the
county
requires
us
as
permits
more
than
the
city.
Does
they
require
drainage
plan
from
civil
engineer
which
I
had
to
provide?
We
wouldn't
have
that
you
know
had
to
provide
that
if
it
was
for
the
city,
so
that
was
done.
The
sidewalks
the
county
requires
five
foot
city
requires
four
foot:
we're
going
to
put
sidewalks
all
the
way
around
the
property.
J
We
do
have
a
privacy
wall
around
the
property
that
starts
on
the
property
line
inward.
It
does
not
go
off
on
the
other
side
of
the
property
and
in
the
city
of
tarpon,
it's
four
foot
height
in
the
front
and
we're
at
three
foot
in
the
front.
So
we
were
also
required
to
provide
visibility
triangles
for
the
corner,
both
corners,
which
we
did
and
and
for
the
driveway
which
I've
never
seen,
but
also
our
driveway
complies
as
well.
So.
G
J
G
J
J
Okay,
when
did
I
find
out
during
after
I
submitted
for
my
permit
during
the
permitting
process.
H
If
it's
denied
and
let's
just
say
it's
denied,
he
would
be
charged
the
surcharge
for
the
water
and
sewer
service,
just
like
any
other
unincorporated
resident.
Yes,.
J
C
J
J
K
Name
is
robert
clybourn,
my
address
is
1111
south
florida
avenue,
tarpon
springs
and
that's
an
unincorporated
pinellas
county
and
I'm
a
neighbor
to
this
property
and
as
many
of
us
other
property
owners
have
questions
about
this
property
going
up.
You
know
we
see
a
really
large
home
going
up
in
a
small
lot
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
it
as
neighbors.
It's
like.
K
H
Should
I
answer
public
questions
sure
what's
the
question,
does
he
have
to
pay
for
city
and
water
and
sewer?
I.
K
Okay,
all
right,
the
thing
that
comes
out
of
all
of
this
is
that,
if
you're
going
for
the
county,
you
know
that
you
can't
tie
into
the
the
sewer
system,
so
you
gotta
have
septic,
and
the
design
of
this
home
has
no
room,
hardly
for
a
septic
system,
and
it's
kind
of
like
what's
happening
here-
is
someone's
gaming,
the
county
and
the
city,
to
build
a
really
large
property
and
yet
get
the
benefits
of
both
one.
K
He
gets
the
large
property
until
he
gets
the
sewer
with
that
septic
system,
and
when
you
look
at
the
numbers,
I
think
you
missed
some
of
when
in
tarpon
with
the
r100,
it's
25
total
on
the
side,
setbacks
and
if
you
got
a
street
on
the
side
that
has
to
be
15.
so
now
you're
at
15
and
10..
K
K
So
you
got
quite
a
bit.
That's
been
blown,
it's
kind
of
like
this
thing
was
done
knowingly
in
saying
I'm
just
going
to
do
it
and
I'm
going
to
get
my
way
and
I'm
going
to
build
this
big
house
and
for
the
rest
of
us.
That's
really
not
a
fair
thing
in
that.
We
all
try
to
do
the
right
thing.
K
Do
the
regulations
and
as
a
builder
who's
built
in
tarpon,
he
should
know
if
he's
going
to
go
into
tarpon
what
he's
up
against
and
also
condemn
that
if
you're
building
a
home,
this
is
one
of
the
things
you
would
have
to
figure
out
before
you
really
get
started.
Where
is
the
septic
and
sewer?
You
know?
You
know
how's
this
going
to
function,
I
mean
you
just
don't
throw
plans
out
there.
It's
like
whoops.
K
Yes,
we
got
to
have
some
drains
somewhere.
I
mean
this
is
not
really
good,
so
you
know,
I
think
what
needs
to
be
done
if
you're
looking
annexing,
you
just
really
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
this
and
get
a
site
plan
and
look
at
what's
going
on,
because
I
personally
don't
believe
the
story
we
were
presented
before.
I.
I
don't
believe
someone
can
be
in
this
type
of
business
and
not
those
type
of
things.
It's
kind
of
like
going
to
a
car
mechanic
and
say
your
car
is
fine
and
it's
got
three
tires
on
it.
K
You
know
not
quite
cutting
it
here,
and
you
know
this
seems
like
something
that
was
kind
of
premeditated.
K
I
don't
know
the
standards
on
the
walls,
but
the
perimeter
wall
going
around
this
right
now,
but
the
county
is
supposed
to
be
six
feet,
counting
the
block.
That's
there
it's
about
nine
feet
on
the
back
side.
I
don't
know
how
close
is
the
property
line,
but
if
that's
gonna
be
filled
three
feet
and
you've
only
got
about
that
much
more
property.
That's
going
to
put
an
interesting
drop
off
to
adjacent
properties
for
drainage
and
whatnot
else
when
we
get
the
heavy
rains
we're
all
familiar
with
in
this
part
of
the
state.
K
So
you
know
that's
some
of
our
concerns
as
neighbors.
We
follow
the
rules.
They
seem
like
they're
being
broken,
blatantly
seem
like
he's
trying
to
build
something
for
the
county
and
then
jump
in
oh
now,
I'll
be
part
of
the
city.
That
way
I
can
hook
up
to
my
sewer,
don't
have
to
worry
about
septic
and
I
think
it's
just
setting
a
precedence.
That's
unacceptable!.
C
No,
I
think
well,
this
is.
I
think
this
is
a
question
for
you
for
you,
pat,
but
again.
I
think
that
the
question
is:
if
it's
denied,
maybe
it's
for
the
applicant,
but
if
it's
denied
and
you
haven't-
allowed
any
space
for
septic,
what
do
you
do?
H
Have
tied
in
yeah
he
is,
he
is
close
enough
to
city
sewer.
He
had
he
has
to
hook
up
the
city
sewer.
Therefore,
if
it's
denied
it
would
he
would
pay
the
surcharge
for
city,
water
and
sewer
and
hook
up
the
city
sewer.
K
K
H
Different
setbacks
aren't
necessarily
going
to
going
to
the
criteria
are
still
met.
The
city
can
still
serve
the
property.
It's
got
to
rise
to
something
that
would
impact
the
city
facilities
or
make
it
not
possible
to
serve
the
property.
Something
like
that.
One
of
your
criteria,
as
you
guys
know,
and
and
we
all
know,
the
city
ends
up
annexing
projects
that
are
non-conforming
all
the
time,
including
existing
projects
that
were
built
years
ago.
The
question
is:
is
there?
H
Are
there
issues
that
that
rise
to
the
level
that
the
criteria
are
not
met
on
this
one
stat?
It's
staff's
opinion
that
there
are
not
this
board
and
board
of
commissioners
will
will
make
that
decision
as
to
whether
they
feel
now.
K
K
You
know
it's
like
I'll
ask
for
forgiveness
versus
permission,
and
I
just
think
that's
a
little
bit
shady,
especially
someone
who's
in
this
business
should
know
better.
K
It's
just
you
know
so,
and
you
know
another
question
is:
why
have
any
setbacks
at
all
you
know
stated
if
you're
not
going
to
want
to
follow
through
with
them.
If
you're
going
to
give
permission
for
the
people
to
come
along
and
break
them,
I
mean
that's
pretty
significant.
You
go
from
allowed
55
versus
almost
72
feet
in
depth.
It's
pretty
big
growth
75
to
about
82..
That's
pretty
big.
H
H
C
C
For
us,
so
when
you,
when
you,
when
you
approved
it,
when
you
when
you
recommended
approval,
can
explain
to,
I
think,
just
explain
to
the
audience
what
the
thought
process
was.
Yes,.
H
H
Okay,
that
that
is
something
that
that
I
guess
you
can
discuss,
but
it's
not
one
of
the
criteria.
The
first
one
is
whether
it
is
contiguous
and
whether
it
would
create
what's
called
an
enclave.
So
you
can't
annex
a
piece
of
property,
that's
completely
surrounded
by
the
other
jurisdiction
and
vice
versa.
That's
an
enclave.
Okay.
We
had
one
recently
that
we
had
that
issue
with
this.
One
is
contiguous
to
the
city's
municipal
limits,
so
it
meets
that
criteria,
the
impact
upon
public
facilities.
H
You
know
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
good
example,
but
this
one
it's
an
existing
lot.
It's
already
the
site
has
already
developed.
It's
part
of
this
subdivision.
I
guess
that
these
people
live
in
it's
an
older
subdivision
planted
in
the
50s
and
it's
it's
built.
I
think,
except
for
maybe
this
lot
in
another
lot.
H
H
H
That's
still
in
your
code
probably
needs
to
go
away,
but
it's
still
in
there
the
owner
is
building
at
a
density
that
is
at
the
same
as
the
county,
so
it
meets
that
future
land
use
map
category
and
the
proposed
designations
again
are
not
more
intensive,
so
the
uses
that
can
be
developed
on
the
property
and
the
density
intensity
is
the
same
as
the
county,
so
it
does
meet
all
those
annexation.
Greater
criteria.
C
And
let
me
can
I
ask
the
your
name
again:
I'm
sorry
yeah
robert
clybourn.
C
To
meet
you
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
facetious
or
being
sarcastic
in
any
way
if
they're,
annexed
or
not
annexed
and
the
house
is
all
I
mean,
I
see
I've
driven,
I
drive
by
there
all
the
time.
It's
pretty
much
up,
yeah
it's.
C
C
K
C
K
Homeowners
there
well,
one
is
the
detriment
of
you
know.
Why
should
we
even
have
rules
and
regulations
if
people
completely
violated?
I
mean
this
had
to
be
known
ahead
of
time,
so
I
mean,
if
you're
in
this
business-
and
you
don't
know
these
type
of
things,
then
you
shouldn't
be
in
the
business,
so
I
think
you're
getting
gamed
and
the
county's
getting
gamed
and
we
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
like.
Oh
look.
What
this
dude
did.
You
know
so,
but.
K
I
don't
know
I
don't
make
up
those
rules,
I
mean
if
it
reverts
to
the
county,
it
may
not
even
be
to
spec
the
county
when
they
start
inspecting,
because
you
know
it's
really
pushing
the
limits
of
what
it
can
fit
on
there,
but
that
irregardless
of
that
the
you
know
the
biggest
concerns
probably
are
that
you
know
the
runoff
from
the
huge
property
on
a
small
lot
to
the
neighbors
as
much
as
it's
been
built
up.
K
That
could
be
a
concern
and
the
other
is.
Is
it
truly?
You
know
going
to
allow
people
to
see
that
intersection,
because
recently
I've
went
on
an
intersection,
walking
my
dog
and
I
just
sat
there
with
my
dog
at
the
corner.
It's
like
all
right.
Let
me
count
100
cars
out
of
100
cars.
Three
get
three
fingers
up
stopped
for
the
stop
signs.
Everyone
else
just
cruises
on
through
there.
K
So
now
we've
got
something:
that's
you
know
with
big
walls,
and
you
know
a
big
house,
that's
going
to
cut
down
on
visibility
and
you
know,
could
lead
to
more
accidents
at
the
corner.
That's
one
thought
process
on
this,
but
you
know
the
person.
I
don't
care,
what
gets
built
there,
it's
just
about
how
you
go
about
doing
something,
and
you
know
this
kind
of
smells.
I
think
anyone
can
think
about
this
and
you
know
see
the
situation
like
you
know.
K
This
is
not
only
up
and
up
something's,
you
know
somebody's
getting
gamed
here
and
you
know
after
everything's
happened
in
this
world
in
the
last
couple
years.
The
last
thing
I
want
is
you
know,
governments
getting
them
playing
and
doing
all
kinds
of
stuff
just
to
do
whatever,
and
you
know
you
have
rules
and
for
a
reason,
if
you're
not
getting
no,
if
you're
gonna
ignore
them,
then
you
know,
what's
the
benefit
of
any
of
us,
to
pay
any
attention
to
what
anyone
says.
K
So
you
know
something
to
chew
on
if
you
got
any
other
questions,
I'll
try
to
answer
them,
and
you
know
it's
unfortunate.
You
should
know
this
information
beforehand.
You
know
something
being
built.
You
ought
to
have
the
information
at
hand.
It's
like
well
look
at
this,
but
you
don't
supposedly
so
you
know
a
little
due.
Diligence
would
probably
help
you
know,
make
your
job
easier.
You
know
the
rule
of
five
ps
prior
planning
prevents
poor
performance.
K
H
As
stated
that
they
have
to
meet
county
visibility
triangles,
I
do
not
know
if
those
are
the
same
or
more
restrictive
than
ours.
I
do
know
the
other
things
mentioned.
Drainage
definitely
is,
as
you
all
know,
we
do
not
require
any
drainage
control
on
single-family
lots
and
the
county
is
pretty
stringent
on
drainage.
H
H
So
I'm
not
sure
where
the
wall
is,
but
you
know
when
they
come
into
the
city
they
would
have
to.
H
D
I
have
a
question
actually
for
pat,
that's,
okay,
so
pat,
maybe
the
city
attorney
as
well.
What
what
we're
being
asked
to
consider
is
the
lot
itself,
so
I'm
understanding,
because
I
think
that's
kind
of
gray.
At
this
point
it's
been
gone
back
and
forth,
just
the
property,
the
lot
not
the
building
on
it
at
all,
not
the
structure,
the
stage
of
the
home,
just
the
property
and
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
city's
criteria
and
whether
or
not
we're
annexing
it.
When
I
say
property
I
mean
the
dirt
on
the
is
that
correct.
H
D
E
100,
so
by
way
of
example,
there
could
have
been
there
could
be
an
existing
structure
on
that
parcel,
a
fully
built,
single-family
home
built
to
pinellas
county
standards.
It
could
have
been
built,
I
don't
know
2002,
and
you
would
not
be
able
to
ask
any
of
these
questions.
You
wouldn't
be
given
a
site
plan
for
what
was
built
at
that
time,
the
setbacks,
but
would
be
what
they
would
be
and
they
would
be
looking
to
voluntarily
annex
into
the
city.
Perhaps
they
had
been
paying
that
up.
E
You
know
the
surcharge
that
they
were
being
charged
for
so
long
because
they
can't
get
septic
at
that
location,
and
so
they
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
now
they're
contiguous
to
the
city,
because
all
these
other
properties
have
annexed
in
and
they
have
the
opportunity
to
annex
into
the
city
it
wouldn't
matter.
The
criteria
are
still
the
same.
The
the
criteria
for
the
rezoning
are
still
the
same.
The
criteria
for
the
annexation
are
still
the
same.
The
land
use
map
is
legislative.
E
It's
I
mean
that's
just
the
same
county-wide
anyways,
but
it
wouldn't
matter
what
was
on
the
property.
It
only
matters
if
you
meet
the
three
criteria
for
the
annexation
and
I
think
there's
five
for
the
rezoning.
E
H
People
that
cannot
annex
in
because
they
are
not
contiguous,
but
they
are
in
the
city's
water
and
sewer
service
area.
They
connect
up.
They
record
a
restrictive
covenant
on
the
property,
saying
that
at
such
time
they
become
contiguous,
they
will
apply
to
annex
in
and
they
pay
the
25,
so
those
properties
may
build,
obviously
will
build
to
county
standards,
even
though
in
the
future
they
will
have
to
annex,
even
though,
when
they
become
contiguous,
if
they
do.
D
D
My
fellow
board,
members
and-
and
the
gentleman
that
spoke
is
that
the
the
issues
appear
to
be
with
the
stage
of
construction
that
the
building
is
at,
but
that's
not
something
we
were
to
consider
anyway,
again
it's
and
and
to
piggyback
on
the
city,
attorneys
and
pat's
your
point:
it's
the
property
and
whether
or
not
we
can
annex
the
property
and
nothing
to
do
with
the
building.
So
thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
For
me,.
A
B
E
B
But
I
have
been
told
that
these
things
do
not
have
to
be
quasi-judicial.
I've
had
lawyers
tell
me
this,
and,
and
sometimes
the
city,
the
city
they
whoever
they
are,
they
kind
of
say.
Oh,
we
wanted
to
be
quasi-judicious,
so
you
kind
of
intimidate
the
public
and
they
think,
and
then
you
sometimes
do
it
to
intimidate.
I
know
too
many
lawyers.
You
sometimes
do
it
to
intimidate
board
members.
So
you
think
your
hands
are
tied
on
this
and
then
questions
get
asked.
B
Oh
look
we'll
get
this
one
in
okay,
but
so
what
you're
saying
anyone
I've
lived
on
that
street
for
50
some
years
my
parents
built
the
house
I
live
in
and
some
of
my
neighbors
just
added
on
to
they
have
like
a
lot
and
a
half
a
lot
of
you
have
a
lot
and
a
half,
and
you
added
a
garage,
robert
and
linda
added,
a
garage
they
had
to
comply.
They
have
it
way,
set
back
even
more
set
back
than
their
house.
B
So
what
you're
saying
I
guess,
you're
letting
all
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs,
think
we
can
do
whatever
gee.
Maybe
I'm
going
to
add
on
to
my
house
right
up
to
first
of
all
you're
talking
about
sidewalks.
We
don't
even
have
any
sidewalks
on
that
street.
We
never
have
so
you
can
have
one
house
with
the
sidewalk,
so
we
can
all
what
just
do
what
we
want
right.
B
A
Would
yeah
the
applicant
like
to
rebut.
J
J
J
Isn't
any
plan
of
mine
the
hou
the
lot
down
on
the
end
of
their
cul-de-sac
when
they
want
to
build
that
house
over
there?
Are
we.
J
H
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
forced
to
connect,
but
but
the
utilities
department
would
analyze
that
for
connection,
because
it's
adjacent
to
city
limits.
So
all
these
lots
are
currently
adjacent
to
city
limits
right,
so
any
of
these
say
have
a
failing
septic
tank
or
have
to
build
a
new
house,
and
maybe
this
is
the
only
other
vacant
lot
right.
I'm
not
sure.
J
J
Okay
to
touch
on
the
impact
fees
you
asked
about
the
surcharge.
I've
already
paid
that
surcharge,
there's
no
financial
gain
for
me
to
annex
into
the
city.
I've
paid
that
I
could
have
waited
till
getting
annexed.
That's
been
paid
already
and
regarding
the
sidewalk
comment
about
one
house
with
the
sidewalk,
I
have
no
choice
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
would
I
have
to
be
forced,
pat
to
put
on
the
sidewalk.
If
I
annex.
H
J
J
C
Can
I
just
ask
a
summary
sure?
Okay
and
obviously
we
I
can't
speak
for.
We
me
we,
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
gaming.
If
that's
what
happened,
but
let
me
ask
any
of
the:
can
I
ask
any
of
the
people
that
spoke
the
question.
C
So
if
this
annexation
didn't
take
place-
and
this
house
is
already
up
almost
right-
the
structure's
already
up
walls
are
go.
I
don't
know
if
the
walls
are
already
up,
but
the
structure's
up
and
was
there
complaints
made
to
the
county
about
this
construction?
If,
if
this
is
something
that
you
guys
aren't
happy
with.
C
C
But
again
the
house
is
there,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
I
don't
understand,
what
you're
again
other
than
I
understand
your
frustration,
but
I
don't
understand
what
what
you,
if
either
the
house
is
either
there
as
part
of
the
city
or
the
house,
is
there
as
part
of
the
county,
regardless
it's
going
to
be
there,
the
wall
is
going
to
be
there
everything's
going
to
be
there.
I
don't
understand
how
it's
it
diff,
how
your
la,
how
the
life
of
the
residents
there
is
changed.
E
E
H
E
L
So
I
don't
think
that's
really
an
issue,
the
biggest
issue,
I
think
in
our
neighborhood
that
really
got
riled
up
other
than
the
fact
that
we
felt
as
though
something
was
happening
kind
of
covertly
whether
it
was
all
kind
of
agreed
to
before
and
after
he
explained
things
a
little
bit
better
today
that
within
in
a
distance,
you
have
to
be
hooked
up
to
the
to
the
sewer.
We
all
understand
that
now
we
didn't
before.
L
I
don't
think
it's
good
that
he
can
get
on
the
sewer,
because
we
can't
and
our
street
can't
because
we've
talked
about
it
before
they
need
to
build
a
pump
station
at
the
end
of
the
street.
If
they
start
coming
down
the
street,
they
gotta
pump
it
back
out.
Somehow
it's
a
dead
end.
L
What
the
biggest
issue
that
our
neighborhood
has
is
about
annexation-
it's
not
about
witness
dropbox,
is
building
seems
like
a
nice
guy,
beautiful
house
coming
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
the
annexations,
the
crawl
of
annexation.
That's
scaring
us,
we
don't
want
to
be
part
of
the
city,
I
don't
we
don't
understand
his
motivation
with
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
city.
L
That's
up
to
him!
That's
his
prerogative.
We
don't
want
to
be.
We've
already
decided
that
we've
talked
about
it
numerous
times
and
we
feel
as
though
calling
things
contiguous.
You
know
we
look
at
the
word
contiguous.
It
says
adjoining
property
lines
or
you
know
it's
common
property
lines.
Things
like
that,
and
I
know
from
the
aspect
of
zoning
that
they
kind
of
eliminate
streets
and
obviously,
a
few
minutes
ago.
She
just
the
lady
eliminated
water
that
it
doesn't
water,
isn't
a
dividing
line,
so
we're
concerned
about
that.
L
L
Some
people
don't
believe
that
and
now
they're
losing
a
little
bit
of
faith
about.
What's
going
on
when
they're
hearing
the
procedure
that
happened,
I
understand
you
take
a
lot
and
you
said:
take
the
minimum
side
setbacks.
What's
the
biggest
house,
we
can
build,
that's
what
I
would
do
if
I
was
a
builder
the
highest
best
use.
L
We
understand
that
god
bless
him,
he's
that
lot's
been
available
for
years.
Nobody
did
it,
he
did
it
and
we're
happy
with
him.
We
don't
want
to
be
annexed.
There's
no
motivation
that
he
needs
to
be
annexed,
especially
with
a
home
that
doesn't
comply
with
tarpon
springs.
You
go
out
and
look
at
it.
I'm
surprised
that
our
evaluator
here
didn't
go
out
and
personally
look
at
it.
You
can
see
that
it
is
not
built
to
tarpon
springs
requirements,
it's
built
to
county
it,
and
god
bless
him.
He
has
the
right
to
build
it.
L
L
This
sets
a
precedent.
I
know
you
got
to
have
these
certain
criterias
for
being
contiguous
in
order
for
the
president
to
apply,
but
this
sets
a
precedent.
Is
this
what
we
want?
Our
city
to
be,
I
love
the
house.
I
like
I
like
the
man,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
should
just
because
we
get
a
little
extra
revenue
out
of
it.
L
Have
that
be
the
the
bill
for
for
doing
something
wrong,
or
I
shouldn't
say
wrong:
he
did
it
right,
but
we're
accepting
him
in
as
if
it's
okay
to
have
this
house
now,
that's
it
it's
it's
zone,
it's
it's
our
fear
of
the
crawl
of
annexation.
This
is
a
voluntary
annexation.
I'm
assuming
isn't
it
it's
not
a
referendum.
Annexation.
L
A
F
J
E
B
I'm
denise
wilks,
my
address
is
1112
south
florida
avenue.
My
big
concern
is
that
this
house,
for
the
lot
size
is
entirely
too
large
and
there
this
happens
to
be
a
corner,
that
a
lot
of
people
run
that
stop
sign.
It's
gonna
decrease
visibility.
A
lot
I'm
a
mother
of
two
children,
there's
a
lot
of
buses
that
go
right.
There.
You've
got
the
elementary
school,
the
middle
school
and
the
high
school
all
take
that
that
turn
from
curlew
onto
south
florida
to
get
to
school.
B
B
The
other
thing
is
the
fire
trucks
from
station
69
come
racing
down
there
too,
and
that's
another
issue
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
so
for
what
it's
worth
think
about
it.
J
Regardless
of
the
annexations
to
make
it
clear
to
the
lady,
you
just
spoke,
the
house
is
being
built,
the
house
will
be
continued
to
be
built.
It
is
built
to
code
whether
the
annexation
is
approved
or
not
approved.
J
J
E
E
G
D
22-19
sorry
yep
yep,
I
guess
sub
a
is
that
the
first
one.
A
E
It
dies
for
lack
of
a
second,
you
have
to
call
for
another
motion,
but
there
has
to
be
a
motion
called.
Usually
you
make
the
motion
in
the
affirmative
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
vote
that
way,
but
typically
under
robert's
rules,
as
you
guys
know,
you
make
the
emotion
the
affirmative.
It
gets
a
second
that
way
it
allows
you
to
have
discussion
on
the
motion
and
to
take
an
action
on
the
motion
just
because
you
second
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
agree
with
the
motion.
You
can
vote
against
it.
E
If
you
wish,
you
can
make
a
motion
in
the
negative.
It's
just
a
little
bit.
It's
not
typically
done
that
way.
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
board
discussion.
G
And
if
I
may,
chairperson,
since
I
opened
the
pandora's
box,
it
appears
that
I
might
want
to
just
try
and
push
some
of
that
stuff
back
in
and
I'd
like
to
start
by
sharing
that
I
sometimes
have
verbal
sharp
elbows
to
our
planning
staff,
and
I
want
patricia
mcneese
to
know
much
how
much.
I
appreciate
her
hard
work,
and
I
also
want
to
share
with
mr
abbas
that
none
of
that
was
personal.
G
It
was
just
optics
that
has
presented
itself
today
and
part
of
the
discussion.
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
county
residents
who've
taken
the
time
to
come
and
share
their
thoughts
and
concerns,
because
that
helped
us
very
much
I'd
like
to
fall
back
and
that
some
of
the
people
in
the
audience
don't
know
is
that
annexations
are
a
particularly
sore
topic
with
this
board
member,
and
we
have
wrestled
with
these
on
various
occasions
whether
it's
a
single
residence
such
as
this
one,
that
seems
to
have
completely
innocuous
ramifications.
G
That
just
doesn't
make
a
lick
of
common
sense
at
all,
although
that
is
what
we're
reminded
and
that's
we're
supposed
to
act
on,
so
I
personally
don't
have
leave
it.
Second,
what
the
gentleman
from
pinellas
county
said
is
that
hey,
probably
going
to
be
a
nice
house
going
to
be
a
neighbor,
but
I
do
want
to
focus
in
on
something
critical
that
he
brought
up.
G
In
fact,
I've
become
more
concerned
that
outside
developers
not
in
this
room,
have
and
are
going
to
use
contiguous
to
take
advantage
when
possible
of
our
situation,
and
we've
had
past
projects
of
that.
So
that's
why
I'm
perhaps
more
thoughtful
when
I
open
that
pandora's
box
and
maybe
use
a
word
that
wasn't
perfect,
but
it
struck
me
extremely
odd
that
this
and
we've
seen
other
annexations
weren't
addressed
long
before
construction
started.
G
G
I'm
not
going
to
weigh
in
on
the
pros
and
cons
necessarily
just
that
I
wanted
to
share
those
thoughts
and-
and
I
know
that
annexation
is
going
to
be
continue
to
be
a
very
serious
topic
of
discussion
of
those
that
want
in
and
those
that
don't
want
in
and
now
I
can
see
that
those
need
to
be
weighed
equally
in
that
hand
and
with
that
those
that's
the
end
of
my
discussion.
A
A
That's
not
the
applicant's
fault.
We
have
to
keep
in
mind,
it's
not
the
staff's
fault,
it's
the
it's
the
system
and
the
ordinances
and
the
relationship
between
the
city
and
the
county
as
it
currently
exists,
and
that's
something
in
our
workshop
that
we'll
discuss
a
great
deal.
I
suspect,
but
that's
not
for
discussion
tonight.
A
I
do
have
one
final
question
for
pat,
though
in
the
previous
cases,
where
we
saw
things
like
that,
it
was
almost
coming
to
us
that
you
must
annex
and
that
they
can't
get
service.
Without
that,
and
now
it
sounds
like
staff
is,
is
taking
a
little
softer
position
on
that
that
they
that
they
can
still
get
service.
If
we
don't
annex,
is
that
the
case.
H
H
If
an
annexation
is
denied
they,
they
will
still
serve
them,
and
if
I
may
go
a
little
further
just
to
make
sure
there's
a
point,
that's
clear
in
your
minds
as
far
as
this
neighborhood,
this
site
does
not
create
contiguity
for
lots
that
are
not
contiguous.
Now
these
lots
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see.
I
was
going
to
try
to
zoom
in,
but
but
there's
two
lots
here,
one
here
and
one
here,
and
then
all
of
these
are
contiguous
by
statutory
definition,
this
one's
contiguous
to
the
north.
H
This
one,
I
suppose
there
could
be
a
question
whether
the
korea,
whether
this
site,
might
create
contiguity
for
this
lot,
that
that's
a
question
because
because
they
don't
line
up,
but
these
slots
on
on
the
east
side
are
already
contiguous
to
the
city,
so
so
annexation
of
the
slot
will
not
create
a
new
contiguity
that
doesn't
exist
now.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
all
understand
that,
aside
from
the
building
and
all
those
issues.
H
H
A
A
G
G
G
A
Yes,
all
right
now,
the
zoning
map
amendment
also
associated
with
22-19.
G
A
H
H
H
H
Other
features
which
are
outlined
in
your
staff
report,
especially
on
page
three.
Some
of
the
features
of
the
site
plan
include
retention
of
two
live
oak
trees
over
on
court
street
and
then
additional
landscaping,
20
percent
reduction
in
impervious
surface.
This
is
all
solid
area.
The
applicant
is
removing
pavement
for
this
site.
H
H
So
that
makes
it
compliant
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
it
is
coming
into
compliance
with
some
of
the
comprehensive
plan
items,
including
the
impervious
surface
ratio
of
85
percent.
The
applicant
has
reduced
it
to
73
percent
right
now.
It's
91,
the
concurrency
and
facilities
impacts
are
are
acceptable.
The
city
can
serve
the
property.
H
The
applicant
has
shown
a
net
increase
of
44
peak
hour
trips
and
that's
without
doing
a
pass
by
capture
study
on
this
car
wash
which,
in
my
humble
opinion,
is
on
the
correct
side
of
the
road,
because
that's
the
big
traffic
afternoon
and
this
one's
on
the
east
side,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
others
you've
seen
going
in
on
the
west
side.
But
I
don't
know
if
people
wash
their
cars
more
in
the
morning
or
the
afternoon,
but
I'm
willing
to
bed
afternoon.
So
that
was
not
done.
H
I
you
know
we
would
expect
trip
generation
to
be
reduced
even
further.
If
that
pass
by
capture,
analysis
had
been
done
again,
improving
on
the
drainage
and,
in
addition
to
reducing
impervious
surface
we're
complying
with
the
city's
drainage
code
with
this
project,
which,
of
course
the
previous
site
was
developed
years
ago
and
did
not
comply
with
that
code,
and
this
project
is
expected
to
be
able
to
comply
with
all
other
city
codes.
H
Recommended
conditions
on
pages
one
and
two
of
the
staff
report
there
is
sewer
to
the
site.
It
may
not
extend
quite
to
the
point
where
connection
is
required,
and
so
we
wanted
to
put
a
condition
that
the
if
that
line
this
industry
doesn't
extend
to
that
point.
The
developer
is
responsible
for
extending
that
line.
H
The
applicant
will
be
required
to
close
those
two
us-19
north
access
points
and
connect
to
the
sidewalk.
That's
on
19
and
the
applicant
has
chosen
to
do
public
art
and
is
strongly
encouraged
to
get
with
the
public
art
committee
early
so
that
the
certificate
of
occupancy
isn't
held
up
with
that
process.
H
The
property
does
have
an
active
code
case
on
it.
The
property
is
currently
owned
by
cvs,
drugstore
and
that
code
case
is
in
fine
status,
font,
meaning
fines
are
being
assessed
daily
fines,
so
the
applicant
will,
if
the
applicant
purchases
the
completes
purchase
of
the
property
that
code
case
would
become
theirs.
H
A
Right
and
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
here
to
comment
on
this
item?
A
Seeing
none,
I
guess
I
will
entertain
a
motion.
C
I
make
a
motion:
we
approve
application,
22-08.
G
I
was
going
so
fast.
I
couldn't
get
through
the
paperwork.
Forgive
me.
I
just
need
a
quick
breather
here,
real
quick
in
fact,
could
my
discussion
include
a
question
of
staff.
G
H
G
G
G
If
whomever
is
in
charge
of
that
at
trc
put
their
name
on
it
and
said
I've
analyzed
this
and
I'm
willing
to
say
we
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
or
other
future
development,
so
that
some
time
way
in
the
future,
when
we
are
short
that
we
can
come
back
and
said
bill
bill
said
it
was
fine.
How
did
we
get
there?
So
that's
the
end
of
my
discussion.
G
C
A
Yes,
all
right.
That
brings
us
down
to
item
number
eight
discussion
item
the
set
agenda,
topics
for
the
may
9th
workshop,
pat
or
renee
or
or
whoever
pulled
this
together.
I
I
have
to
say
at
least
as
far
as
the
the
comments
that
I
had,
he
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
simplifying
them
and
and
boiling
them
down
to
headings
that
that
appears
to
me
to
include
everything
that
that
I
had
in
mind
at
least:
does
it
anyone
else
see
anything
missing
or
anything
else
we
want
to
address.
G
Here's
in
the
nutshell,
I'll
repeat
myself,
is
that
I
don't
feel
there's
an
in-depth
analysis
or
it's
trailing
in
a
way
that,
by
the
time
public
works
realizes
that
we
have
over
extended
ourselves
or
that
the
maintenance
associated
with
these
lines
that
we're
going
to
extend
comes
back
to
bite
us
in
the
heel
that
it's
too
late
then,
and
that
maybe
not
enough
analysis
is
being
done
for
the
extension
of
these
services.
Oh
related
to
annexations,
just
a
thought
if
trc
would
be
available
on.
H
I
was
gonna
say
if
there's
anything
we
missed
trying
to
summarize
yeah.
A
A
A
E
Well,
it's
on
it's
on,
you
don't
have
to
vote
on
it,
but
there
are
several
topics
on
the
agenda.
You
all
have
not
discussed
those
topics
before,
as
they
were
submitted
to
pat
and
then
put
on
this
agenda.
So
this
item
is
on
here,
for
you
all
to
discuss
which
items
you'd
like
to
see
on
your
workshop
agenda
and
to
come
to
you
don't
have
to
do
a
consensus.
E
It
can
just
be
a
simple
majority
about
which
topics
you'd
actually
like
to
discuss
at
your
workshop,
because
if
I
understood
correctly,
there
were
only
two
two
people
that
submitted
three
three
people
that
submitted
topics
for
the
workshop.
So
you
know
by
default,
there's
two
with
people
or
several
other
people
who
some
who
are
not
here.
That
did
not
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
So.
E
Well-
and
I
would
say
two
things:
one:
you
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
to
to
do
your
workshop,
so
I
would
look
maybe
to
suggest
to,
like
you
said,
prioritize
and
two.
There
are
some
topics
on
those
on
that
list
that,
even
if
you
were
to
discuss
them,
there
wouldn't
really
be
a
recommendation
that
would
be
proper
to
make
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
because
it's
not
something.
That's
that
this
board
has
the
power
or
the
authorization
to
make
a
recommendation
to
change.
E
E
E
The
charter
review
commission
is
the
prescribed
board
that
has
those
powers
and
duties,
and
so
that's
obviously-
and
you
understand,
that's
a
separate
board.
They
have
separate
tasks
to
do
as
an
individual.
If
one
of
you
or
each
of
you
like
to
go
to
your
commissioners
individually
and
not
as
a
whole
and
make
suggestions
to
the
charter,
you
can
certainly
do
so,
and
the
commission
can
certainly
choose
to
bring
a
charter
amendment
and
put
it
out
to
the
electorate.
H
And
if
I
might
suggest
we
could
take
these
topics,
I
could
work
with
erica
to
put
them
in
two
groups,
things
that
are
under
your
purview
now
and
then
other
things,
and
maybe
that
that
way
you
could.
You
could
knock
out
those
ones
that
are
under
your
purview
that
you
really
want
to
get
say
in
front
of
the
board
or
first
and
then,
if
you
run
out
of
time,
you
could
prioritize
prioritize
the
rest
yeah.
A
But
I
I
definitely
don't
want
to
preclude
consideration
of
things,
at
least
within
the
zoning
ordinance
and
are
enabling
an
ordinance
that
we
could
suggest
to
the
city
commission
that
that
they
might
want
to
change.
And-
and
I
the
I
have
heard
talk
from
some
city
commissioners-
that
that
there
may
even
be
a
joint
workshop
between
this
board
and
them.
E
I
would
caution
you
because
if
there
has
been
talk
between
the
city
commissioners,
that's
not
at
a
public
meeting.
That
would
be
a
violation
of
sunshine.
So
I
would
be
real
careful
with
what
you
are
hearing.
Second,
I'm
not
so
sure
that's
permissible,
but
I
would
defer
to
the
city
attorney
on
that.
I
am
meeting
with
him
tomorrow
to
talk
about
various
topics
within
this
community,
so
I
can
certainly
breach
that
with
him
and
then
I
will
let
staff
know,
but
that
would
be
up
to
the
city
attorney.
G
I'd
like
to
chime
in
and
just
give
a
heartfelt
thank
you
to,
pat,
because
I
know
that
this
is
an
additional
workload
to
you.
I
know
you're
busy,
I'm
just
assuming
that
it
is
so
just
go,
okay
that
that
this
takes
effort
and-
and
and
I
appreciate
your
time
and
the
rest
of
the
staff's
time-
that's
listening
to
us
and
working
together.
Okay,.
C
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
this
stuff,
getting
so
filtered
down
that
we,
we
can't
have
conversation
with,
and
it's
going
to
be
in
the
open,
we're
having.
This
is
going
to
be
an
open
conversation
with
the
board
of
commissioners
and
if
some
of
these
things
are
outside
our
purview
well,
then
then
they're
just
useless
conversations,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
see
this
list
get
just
filtered
down
off.
I
mean
I
I
I
respect
the
chairman
and
I
think
if
anyone
should
prioritize
this,
it
should
be.
You.
I
E
E
I
think
you
have
to
because
this
is
the
last
meeting
before
your
workshop
and
you
would
need
to
have
an
agenda
before
then.
So
I
can
tell
you
like
the
training
or
the
orientation
for
new
board.
Members
is
not
something
that
this
board
has
the
purview
to
make
recommendations
on
or
to
that's
an
administrative
task
that
would
come
from
the
city
manager
and
the
department
heads
the
board
presentation
to
com
to
decisions.
E
E
I
I
don't
really
understand
what
the
staff
recommendation
on
projects
is,
but
we
can
certainly
that's
something
you
can
discuss.
Staff
is
a
party
to
the
application,
so
they
have
a
right
to
make
a
recommendation.
You
don't
have
a
you.
Don't
have
to
take
that
board
member
suggestions
to
applicants
for
project
improvements,
that's
something
that's
kind
of
outside
the
scope
of
the
quasi-judicial
capacity.
E
However,
for
those
things
that
are
legislative,
I
don't
know
that
you
necessarily
need
to
have
a
code
change
to
do
that,
but
that's
something
that
you
can
certainly
make
a
recommendation.
It's
legislative!
They
can
choose
that
here
too
or
not
if
it's
quasi-judicial,
you're,
absolutely
by
law,
prohibited
to
do
so.
I
think
that
was
in
the
memo
potential
for
final
decisions
by
the
board
by
application
type.
Of
course
that
goes
to
your
charter.
E
So
that's
something
that,
like
I
said
as
an
individual,
you
could
certainly
bring
to
your
commissioners
as
a
as
a
private
citizen,
but
that
this
board
does
not
have
the
ability
to
bring
to
the
board
of
commissioners
the
hearing
process
for
large
developments.
That's
largely
an
administrative
issue,
but
honestly
that
I
would
defer
to
staff
because
they're
the
ones
that
have
to
bring
it
before
you
that's
also
a
departmental
issue.
So,
if
that's
something
that
the
planning
department
head
would
like
to
change,
they
can.
E
You
can
certainly
make
a
recommendation
to
them,
but
that
really
doesn't
have
to
do
with
your
your
powers
and
duties.
The
sustainability
board
input
on
project
review.
You
can
certainly
discuss
that.
That's
part
of
your
the
land
development
code
and
what
what
gets
reviewed
with
trc
and
things
of
that.
So
that's
something
you
can
discuss
and
project
revisions
after
board
decisions
to
be
re
heard
by
the
board.
E
You
know
that
actually
goes
to
state
statute.
You
guys
function
as
the
lpa,
so
unless
there
would
be
some
reason
for
it
to
come
back
to
you
after
having
made
an
advisory
recommendation
of
the
board
of
commissioners,
I'm
not
so
sure
that
that
would
be
proper,
but
I
think
that's
something
to
discuss
and
figure
out
if
it
is
proper
or
not.
Water
and
sewer
utilities
analysis
requirement
that's
part
of
the
ldc,
so
you
can
certainly
discuss
that
board
identified
deficiencies.
E
I
I'm
not
specifically
sure
what
deficiencies
need
to
be
addressed
if
it's
in
the
application
process,
if
it's
in
the
review
process,
if
it's,
if
it's
within
your
land
development
code
and
it's
part
of
a
codified
review
process,
of
course.
Yes,
you
can
certainly
discuss
that
and
make
recommendations.
E
If
it's
just
deficiencies
in,
I
want
a
site
plan
review
with
every
annexation.
That
comes
in.
That's
something
that's
in
your
code,
so
you
can
make
that
recommendation
too.
As
long
as
it's
in
within
the
land
development
code,
you
can
certainly
discuss
that
make
those
recommendations,
annexation
criteria
and
county
project
development
review.
This
board
doesn't
really
have
a
purview
to
talk
about
county
project
development,
the
annexation
criteria.
You
can
certainly
discuss
the
city's
annexation
criteria,
but
there
is
state
annexation
criteria
which
the
city
has
parroted
parroted
copied.
E
So
to
the
extent
that
it
differs
from
the
state
statute,
you
can
certainly
discuss
that
make
recommendations
for
change
to
the
board
of
commissioners
and
that-
and
that
includes
making
things
more
stringent,
because
remember
as
a
as
a
city,
you
are
bound
by
general
law,
but
if
you
can
make
things
more
stringent,
not
more
open,
so
we
can.
You
can
discuss
that
park
and
recreation
deficiencies
again,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
the
deficiencies
are,
but
it
has
to
do
with
the
ldc.
E
Of
course,
you
can
discuss
and
make
recommendations
reduce
allowed
code
exemptions
that
has
to
do
with
the
ldc.
So,
yes,
you
can
certainly
discuss
that
and
make
recommendations
to
the
board
of
commissioners
same
with
strengthening
the
multi-mold
transportation
standards
that
has
to
do
with
your
comprehensive
plan
and
your
ldc
so
100.
You
can
discuss
those
and
make
recommendations
same
with
the
rv
and
boat
storage,
same
with
setback,
reduction,
limits
and
same
with
density
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
E
I
mean
your
mission
statement
is
your
enabling
ordinance,
so
it
they
would
be
one
in
the
same.
The
board
of
commissioners
kind
of
dictates
you
your
mission
statement
because
they're
the
board
that
appoints
you
to
these
positions
and
then
your
philosophy
kind
of
comes
from
the
state
statute,
because
that's
what
the
legislators
told
you
that
this
board
isn't
is
governed
to
do,
but
you
may
wish
to
put
something
in
your
rules
or
procedure,
although
I'm
not
sure
that
that'd
be
the
right
place
for
it
either.
E
Encapsulated
all
of
the
topics
that
were
set
forth
and
renee
kind
of
summarized
them.
So,
as
you
can
see,
a
majority
of
those
are
things
that
you
have
the
power
to
discuss
and
and
make
recommendations
to
the
board
of
commissioners
on
how
to
change.
And
then
I,
of
course,
now
that
we've
categorized
them.
I
leave
it
to
the
board
to
determine
how
you
want
to
rank
those
and
which
ones
you'd
like
to
discuss.
A
A
C
When,
when
you
say
we
can't
discuss
or
we
can
discuss
it,
this
is
this
workshop's
not
going
to
be
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
right.
I'm
talking.
C
E
E
Discuss
it
and
remember,
workshops
are
typically
there's
no
public
input
at
a
workshop.
It's
just
the
public
can
be
here
to
listen
to
you
discuss
it's
that's
the
forum
that
it
is
so
I
was
just
my
advice
to
you
is
from
a
legal
perspective,
since
you
do
not
have
the
power
of
duty
to
change
some
of
those
things,
and
you
do
have
the
opportunity
to
have
this
workshop,
which,
technically
you
traditionally
don't
have
the
power
to
do.
E
You
may
wish
to
use
that
time
in
order
to
talk
about
things
that
you
can
affect
change
on
the
rest
of
those
things.
You
know
the
city
attorney
will
advise
the
department
head
and
advise
staff
on
if
those
go
to
the
board
of
commissioners
or
not.
You
know,
because
that
that's
something
that
staff
has
to
comply
with
the
ordinance
to
the
city
manager,
the
department
heads
they
have
to
comply
with
the
code
as
well.
E
So
if
it's
something
that
they,
the
city
attorney
and
I'm
very
confident
that
he
will
say
that
the
city
attorney
will
say
well,
they
don't
have
the
power,
the
ability
under
their
enabling
ordinance
to
make
these
recommendations.
That
doesn't
need
to
go
before
the
board
of
commissioners.
So,
yes,
you
can
certainly
discuss
it.
I
just
don't
know
how
far
you'll
get
with
discussing
something
that
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
make
a
recommendation
or
effect
change
on.
G
That
being
said,
and
thank
you
for
clarifying
that,
forgive
me
for
interrupting-
is
that
those
items
that
we
do
not
such
as
the
sunrise
that
we
can
discuss,
we
could
go
as
individual
citizens
and
represent
those
words
or
those
thoughts
or
that
discussion
to
the
board
of
commissioners
just
not
formally
recognized
as
a
board
or
the
board.
Wouldn't
this
pla
would
not
be
forwarding
that
did
that
make
any
sense.
I
kind
of
screwed
that
up.
E
G
E
Okay,
I
caution
you
when
you
do
that
you
can.
Yes,
you
can
do
that.
I
caution
you
when
you
do
that,
though,
because
now
you're
saying
I've
had
this
workshop
as
a
member
appointed
member
of
this
board,
and
I'm
now
going
to
the
commission
saying
based
on
the
things
that
we
discussed
as
a
whole
at
this
board.
Now,
if
you
don't
say
those
things,
that's
that's
good.
We've
had
that
discussion
before
that's
fine.
E
The
other
thing
too,
is
now
that
we're
having
that
conversation
here,
it's
a
little
hard
to
go
in
front
of
the
commission.
Saying
me
as
an
individual.
I
think
we
should
do
this,
even
though
we've
talked
at
at
length
about
having
that
discussion
as
a
board,
but
nothing
is
stopping
you.
I'm
just
again.
Remember
I'm
here
to
advise
you,
I'm
just
here
to
tell
you
the
boundaries
of
which
you're
allowed
to
go.
Whether
you
heed
my
advice,
I
would
hope
that
you
did.
E
H
And
just
maybe
a
suggestion,
so
if
you
would
like
to
keep
all
these
topics
on
the
list
again,
we
could
we
could
kind
of
try
to
divide
them
into
two
groups
and
we
just
went
through
what
those
were
and
then
you'll
get
that
packet
of
a
week
ahead
of
time.
H
Maybe
we'll
check
attach
your
procedures
again,
and
maybe
that
section
it's
charter,
maybe
some
backup
information
for
you
and
then
you'll
have
a
list.
If,
if
you
want
to
think
about
the
priorities
during
the
week
and
then
kind
of
prioritize
at
the
start
of
the
meeting,
would
that
help
and
then.
A
A
I
A
A
A
Our
mission
statement
is
established
by
the
the
the
code.
We
have
to
pretty
much
accept
that
and
I
I
don't
see
that
there's
any
point
in
bellagoring
a
discussion
about
it.
When
we
have
actual
items
where
we
could
potentially
bring
about
some
valuable
change
to
talk
about.
A
Okay,
is
everybody
good
with
that?
Okay,
thanks
pat,
that's
very
helpful,
and
what
is
that
there's
nothing
else
here.
No
just
staff
comments
and
board
comments,
which
I
think
we
pretty
much
just
had
and
unless
somebody
else
wants
to
say
something
else
or
adjourn.