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A
B
To
order
the
December
19th
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
Tarpon
Springs
would
Mr
Vesey
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
invocation.
Please.
B
All
right,
I'm
going
to
briefly
read
our
purpose
or
mission
statement.
Thank
you
all
for
attending
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
planning
and
zoning
board
meeting
the
purpose
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
is
to
conduct
public
hearings
on
the
items
that
come
before
it.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
has
reviewed
the
evidence
in
the
agenda
packet
for
each
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
including
the
application
materials
in
the
staff
report.
The
board
will
consider
that
evidence
along
with
any
new
evidence
or
testimony
provided
at
the
public
hearing.
B
The
board
will
consider
all
of
the
information
provided
at
this
hearing
in
accordance
with
the
quasi-judicial
procedures,
by
which
we're
bound
I'll
ask
the
City
attorney
to
explain
these
quasi-judicial
procedures
at
the
appropriate
time.
This
board
uses
these
procedures
to
judge
whether
the
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
city's
adopted,
comprehensive
plan
and
future
land
use
map
and
whether
the
application
conforms
to
the
city's
currently
adopted
Land
Development
code
and
Zoning
Atlas.
B
The
board
will
render
a
decision
on
each
item
in
the
form
of
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
who
will
take
the
final
action
on
the
item?
The
general
hearing
procedure
for
each
item
is
called
by
the
chair
and
is
as
follows:
staff
presentation,
applicant
presentation,
affected
party
presentation,
public
input,
staff
and
applicant
rebuttal
if
any
and
finally,
the
board
motion
discussion
and
vote.
B
D
A
B
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
four
on
the
agenda
changes
and
that's
just
to
notify
everyone
that
application
22-29,
the
conditional
use
and
site
plan
approval
of
a
surface
parking
lot
related
to
Rusty
Belly's
Restaurant
will
be
deferred
to
a
date
certain
of
January
23rd
2023.
At
the
request
of
the
applicant
item,
number
five
on
our
agenda
is
approving
the
minutes
of
May
16
2022.
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second
and
then
we
can
discuss
if
necessary.
B
B
Yes,
that
brings
us
to
item
number
six.
The
quasi-judicial
announcement
and
swearing
of
speakers
would
our
attorney
do
that.
Please.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
the
applications
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Planning
and
Zoning.
Board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
G
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
G
All
testimony
and
questioning
at
this
hearing
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
and
material
to
the
issues
under
consideration,
based
on
the
criteria
established
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
If
any
board
member
has
disclosures
regarding
an
application,
please
make
your
disclosures
on
the
record
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
This
would
include
ex
parte
communication
and
the
Declaration
of
any
voting
conflicts
of
interest
if
there
is
not
a
full
board.
G
At
the
beginning
of
the
hearing,
the
applicant
May
request
a
continuation
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
hearing.
City
staff
will
present
its
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
the
application.
First,
the
applicant
will
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
cross-examine
the
staff
and
any
Witnesses.
The
applicant
will
then
have
the
opportunity
to
present
its
Witnesses
and
evidence.
The
city
will
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
and
any
of
the
applicant's
witnesses.
G
Members
of
the
public
opposing
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
present
their
evidence
and
testimony,
as
will
members
of
the
public
in
support
of
the
application.
Anyone
speaking
on
matters
will
be
given
four
minutes.
The
applicant
and
the
City
May
then
present
any
rebuttal,
testimony
and
evidence
and
a
closing
statement.
For
summary,
then,
the
board
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
discussion
and
consideration
of
the
application
at
this
time
for
anyone
Desiring
to
speak
on
any
matter
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
Please
stand
and
receive
the
oath.
G
B
I
Again,
this
is
an
application
for
site
plan
review.
This
is
for
the
Susana
2
project.
It
is
a
seven
unit,
multi-family
development.
The
project
consists
of
one
one-story
building,
that's
designed
to
front
both
lime
and
Grove
Street.
The
project
requires
a
total
of
12
parking
spaces
and
the
applicant
is
providing
12
spaces
on
site.
They
have
provided
a
landscaping
plan
with
the
application.
It
does
meet
all
the
Land
Development
code,
on-site
requirements,
including
screening
of
the
parking
lot
on
site.
I
This
project
is
located
at
the
our
northwest
corner
of
South
gross
Avenue
and
East
Lime
Street
right
here
outlined
in
yellow
this
property,
as
well
as
the
properties
to
the
east,
north
and
west,
are
located
or
zoned
RM
residential
multi-family.
The
properties
to
the
South
are
in
the
r60
one
and
two
family
residential
district.
I
The
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan
I've
outlined
the
building
footprint
in
blue,
just
to
make
it
a
little
easier
to
see
again
there's
a
total
of
seven
units
for
the
project.
Each
unit
has
a
private
access
from
the
dwelling
unit
to
the
public,
Street
Frontage
or
the
sidewalks,
as
well
as
an
access
to
the
private
parking
lot
interior
to
the
site.
I
Ultimately,
that
conditional
use
was
approved,
it
allowed
them
to
have
a
front
yard
setback,
which
is
both
Street
frontages
of
a
minimum
of
four
feet.
It
allowed
a
rear
yard
setback
with
a
minimum
of
five
feet,
which
is
along
the
alley
and
a
minimum
minimum
three
and
a
half
foot
set
back
from
the
side,
which
is
this
West
property
line.
I
Through
the
refinement
of
the
site
plan,
the
applicant
was
able
to
actually
increase
some
of
those
setbacks
from
the
original
minimums
and,
most
significantly
is
probably
the
side
setback
they're
able
to
get
or
achieve
a
6.28
to
a
6.83
setback
from
the
side.
As
opposed
to
the
three
and
a
half
feet,
the
applicant
did
provide
some
building
elevations.
These
are
consistent
with
the
renderings
that
were
provided
with
the
conditional
use,
with
the
exception
of
using
a
flat
roof,
as
opposed
to
a
pitched
roof
which
was
originally
proposed.
I
With
the
conditional
use
approval,
there
were
three
items
that
were
to
be
addressed
during
the
site
plan
process,
the
first
of
which
is
in
relationship
to
the
screening
of
the
Interior
parking
lot,
and
it's
in
this
area
outlined
in
blue.
The
applicant
has
provided
a
landscaping
plan
that
is
consistent
with
the
screening
requirements.
That's
a
hedge
hedge
row
along
the
storm
water,
Pond
and
property
line,
as
well
as
trees
that
are
planted
around
the
pond.
I
Typically,
a
buffer
area
is
required
to
be
a
minimum
eight
feet
in
width,
because
the
pond
is
located
in
this
area.
It
also
increases
the
overall
width
in
separation
between
the
parking
lot
and
the
adjacent
property.
One
thing
to
note
is
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
previous
application
that
was
similar
to
this,
where
there
was
a
residential,
single-family
house
next
door.
In
this
case,
this
is
a
multi-family
development
that
has
I
believe
six
different
dwelling
units
on
it.
I
The
second
item
was
to
address
waste
management
and
trash
pickup.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
use
toters
for
trash
pickup
in
lieu
of
a
traditional
dumpster
residents
will
be
required
to
take
each
toter
out
to
the
streets
for
a
trash
pickup
each
week.
This
was
reviewed
by
both
our
Public
Works
staff,
as
well
as
waste
management,
and
it
was
determined
to
be
acceptable
for
this
project
and
again
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
storage
area
along
the
alley
here.
I
The
third
item
is
in
regards
to
the
alley
along
the
north
property
line.
During
the
conditional
use
application,
it
was
discovered
that
the
alley
was
only
10
feet
in
width,
as
opposed
to
15
feet
since
that
application.
The
applicant
has
re-surveyed
the
property
and
updated
the
survey
and
did
determine
that.
It
is
10
feet
wide.
I
The
public
works
department,
as
well
as
fire
department,
have
reviewed
this
application
and
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
proposed
width
or
the
existing
width,
but
they
did
ask
that
the
applicant
note
on
the
site
plans
that
the
entire
10
foot
alley
would
be
kept
clear
of
obstructions.
They
have
done
that
on
their
site.
Plans
with
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan.
We
do
have
three
conditions
or
sorry,
four
conditions
for
the
application,
one
being
that
the
site
construction
plans
are
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan.
I
The
second
is
that
details
for
all
site
lighting
and
product
sheets
will
be
provided
with
the
building
permit.
The
third
is,
if
they
trigger
the
public
art
requirement,
that
they
must
comply
with
those
requirements,
and
the
fourth
is
that
the
site
plan
expires
one
year
from
the
effective
date
unless
an
application
has
been
filed
for
building
permit
and
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
So
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
what
they
had
for
the
conditional
use
approval
the
conditional
use
allowed
them
to
have
you
know
smaller
setbacks
and
requirements
and
during
the
conditional
use.
The
comprehensive
plan
is
a
consideration
at
that
time.
It
was
determined
that
the
proposed
project
was
compliant
and
or
consistent
with
our
comprehensive
plan.
So
this
is
consistent.
What
they
had
previously
approved
there
haven't
been
any
significant
changes
to
change.
What
was
originally
reviewed.
J
I
said
you
mentioned
that
the
10-foot
alley
would
be
clear
of
obstructions.
How
would
that
be
enforced?.
I
So
during
the
review
for
the
fire
department,
because
the
units
have
access
from
the
street
as
well
as
interior
parking
lot,
that
gives
them
sufficient
access
for
the
property.
They'll
typically
probably
use
the
street
frontages
for
any
sort
of
response
for
fire.
G
D
If
I
may
sure,
this
is
because
I'm
a
little
bit
slower
than
everyone
else
and
and
I
remember
this
project
distinctly
and
we
were
very
pleased
with
it
and
and
I
must
and
just
to
repeat
what
you
said
is
that
we
sought
for
a
conditional
use
application
and
because
of
the
way,
we've
structured
or
restructured.
Now
we're
seeing
it
again
as
a
site
plan,
correct
approval.
I
I
So
how
our
code
was
currently
worded,
it
did
not
require
a
site
plan.
At
the
time
you
applied
for
your
conditional
use.
You
had
the
option
to
do
that,
but
you
didn't
have
to
do
it
together.
I
believe
we've
just
recently
changed
the
the
code
to
go
back
to
requiring
a
site
plan
with
conditional
use
and
I.
Think
Pat
can
probably
elaborate
on
this,
but
the
thought
process
that
we
got
from
the
boards
were
that
sometimes
the
conditional
use
can
influence
what
the
site
plan
would
be
so
having
them
together.
A
I
F
I've
questioned
the
10-foot
clear
alley
is
that
two-way
traffic
go
out
there.
It.
I
Will
allow
for
cars
to
go
two
ways
really
the
Alley's
only
right
now,
it's
not
improved
at
all.
It's
only
going
to
be
providing
access
to
this
property
at
this
time,
so
the
interior
parking
lot
allows
for
cars
to
go
both
directions
and
get
safely
in
and
out
of
it.
So
the
one
the
10
foot
is
sufficient.
K
C
A
K
Don't
have
the
answer
that
can
ask
the
if
the
owner
has
progress
into
that
we're
waiting
to
compile
the
all
the
cost
on
on
the
job
because
of
the
inflation
all
of
that
is,
but.
C
K
Not
intended,
but
these
are
they
have
to.
You-
have
to
go
with
the
what
the
market
in
the
area
and
the
area
doesn't
call
for
a
high
rent.
The
applicant
has
other
units
and
the
same
in
the
same
area,
and
some
of
the
tenants
do
to
have
rentals
through
section
8.
K
J
G
There
is,
there
is
not,
and
actually
in
August
of
2022
Pinellas
County
adopted
an
ordinance
called
the
tenants
Bill
of
Rights,
which,
unless
the
city
took
action
to
abrogate
that
ordinance
would
apply
within
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
as
part
of
the
tenants
Bill
of
Rights.
It
prohibits
discrimination
against
renters
based
on
their
source
of
income,
so,
whether
that's
Section,
8
or
any
other
sort
of
rental
assistance
through
various
Housing
Programs.
C
B
B
Seeing
none,
we
will
close
public
comment.
B
F
C
B
I
Once
again,
this
again,
the
site
plan
approval
for
the
sponge
City
Brewing
project.
This
property
is
located
in
the
t5a
South
Pinellas,
Avenue,
transect
zone
of
the
city's
special
area
plan
and
smart
code.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
construct
approximately
620
square
foot
covered
patio
on
the
back
of
an
existing
building.
The
Land
Development
code
requires
any
sort
of
addition
or
expansion
of
an
existing
structure
that
exceeds
30
percent
of
the
existing
footprint
to
go
through
a
full
site
plan
approval.
I
The
property
is
located
at
the
corner
of
East
Oakwood
Street
and
South
Pinellas
Avenue.
It's
outlined
here
in
yellow
on
the
screen.
All
the
surrounding
properties
in
this
area
are
located
within
the
city
special
area
plan.
The
properties
that
are
fronting
South,
Pinellas
Avenue,
are
all
within
the
t5a
transect
Zone.
There
are
some
t4b,
which
is
residential
industrial
office,
transect
zones
over
to
the
east
of
the
site
and
then
outside
the
site
are
some
t4d,
which
is
more
residential.
I
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan.
They
are
again
proposing
approximately
624
620
square
foot
covered
patio.
The
existing
footprint
of
the
building
is
in
the
center
here
outlined
in
blue.
This
is
the
existing
footprint
of
the
canopy
on
the
property,
and
then
the
Orange
is
indicating,
where
they're
proposing
to
put
the
covered
patio.
I
I
This
is
a
look
at
the
existing
property
and
aerial
view.
Some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this
property,
but
it
was
long
ago
used
as
an
auto
repair
shop.
I
think
it
was
a
fruit
stand
at
one
point
and
right
now,
it's
currently
vacant.
The
applicants
are
in
the
process
of
renovating
this
structure
to
be
a
brewery
which
is
a
use,
that's
permitted
by
Wright.
The
project
itself
does
not
result
in
a
substantial
modification,
so
anything
non-conforming
on
the
property
is
not
required
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
current
code.
I
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
they
do
intend
to
restripe
the
parking
lot
to
formalize
the
parking
on
the
existing
parking
area
in
front,
as
well
as
attempt
to
add
some
Landscaping
out
front.
Any
of
that,
those
modifications
would
require
a
building
permit
at
that
time.
So,
right
now,
they're
only
proposing
the
patio
on
the
back
right
here
with
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan.
We
have
three
conditions
for
this:
the
first
being
site
construction
plans
shall
be
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan.
C
Because
you
know
me,
I
have
a
question:
do
you
know
because,
as
a
former
gas
station
do
you
know
if
there's
any
dep
requirements
or
clearances
on
that
property
because
they
do
go
the
property
that
I
don't
know?
If
that
was
that's
not
maybe
the
applicant
can
answer
yeah.
L
An
agent
for
him
signed,
okay,
authorized
I
work
for
his
construction
company
John
Scribner,
1236,
New,
York,
Avenue,
Dunedin,
Florida,
34698
I've
been
sworn
in,
I!
Think
that's
so
yeah
I'm
I'm,
the
superintendent
for
him
and
I
believe
the
site
has
had
testing
there's
cores
in
the
parking
lot.
So
I
don't
know
the
results
of
those,
but
I
do
believe
he
has
paperwork.
He
just
him
and
his
wife
couldn't
be
here
tonight
so
I'm.
Just
in
this
respect,
but.
L
I
Yes,
and
just
for
a
point
of
clarification,
I
forgot
to
mention
the
location
map
that
was
in
the
printed
packet
was
incorrect,
so
I
have
corrected
it
for
tonight's
purpose
and
I'd
enter
that
into
the
record.
Thank
you.
L
L
It's
just
the
outside,
there's,
there's
a
restroom
that
you
you
go
into
from
that
back
side,
so
it's
covering
for
that
there's,
a
double
set
of
doors
that
go
out
storefront
doors,
so
it
just
basically
egress
out
to
the
back
covered.
So.
L
C
The
only
thing
I
come
is
nice
improvements,
I,
remember
what
it
was
before
and
so
I
just
just
finally
commented.
B
M
Red
Door
to
this
gentleman,
we
know
these
people
very
well,
for
actually
our
kids
grew
up
next
to
them,
and
so,
when
we
found
out,
we
bought
buildings
next
to
one
another.
We
were
very
excited
about
that.
So
we
are
very
happy
about
that.
They're
super
great
people
and
we
asked
if
they
were
dog
friendly,
and
they
said
yes
and
I
said
yes,
thank
you,
so
yeah
I
think
it's
great.
A
B
H
B
The
applicant
have
any
rebuttal
or
final
comments,
so
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
board
for
consideration.
I
need
a
motion
in
second
so
that
we
can
discuss
I.
N
Would
make
that
motion
Mr
chairman
to
approve
application,
22-128
the
sponge
City
Brewing
overhang
Edition,
with
the
conditions
stated
by
the
staff?
N
N
F
F
D
B
B
O
This
is
a
request
by
Miss
Bollinger.
That
just
spoke
with
you
for
a
dog
training
facility
with
boarding
as
a
part
of
that
use.
This
is
located
on
East,
Oakwood
Street,
it's
on
the
north
side
of
that
block
between
East
Oakwood
and
Martin
Luther
King,
just
about
ten
thousand
square
foot
lot.
This
is
in
the
t4b
residential
plus
industrial
slash
office,
transect
in
the
South
Pinellas
character.
District
of
your
special
area
plan.
O
This
is
a
perspective
showing
where
we
are
in
the
special
area
plan.
So
again,
this
is
in
the
South
Pinellas
character.
District
is
this
this
area
here
it's
in
the
t4b
transect,
which
is
this
kind
of
blue
properties
here,
there's
the
property
and
the
t4b
transect
again
is
is
kind
of
a
mixed
use.
Transect.
O
This
shows
perspective
of
the
properties
around,
so
you've
got
the
Alt
19
commercial
here
this
is
a
bank.
That's
next
to
them.
You've
got
mixed
storage,
light
industrial,
those
sorts
of
things
on
the
north
side
of
Oakwood
and
then
single
family,
behind
that
the
Santos
Isles
Apartments
senior,
affordable
apartments
really
kind
of
circle
around
to
the
South,
that's
part
of
their
property
there
and
over
to
the
East
and
then
kind
of
the
south
and
east
further
than
that
is
more
single
family
again
off
that
all
that
all
19
commercial
corridor.
O
So
just
a
couple
of
things
to
kind
of
highlight
on
nips.
This
is
in
the
t4b
transect
that
transect
allows
veterinary
offices
with
boarding
with
kennel,
and
the
code
defines
veterinary
office
and
kennel.
That's
in
here
in
your
staff
report.
O
O
This
was
a
dog
grooming
facility,
so
this
was
an
Adaptive
reuse.
Before
of
a
old
single
family.
Home
was
being
used
as
a
dog
grooming
facility.
This
is
dog
training.
Those
are
personal
services
which
is
classified
as
retail
under
your
smart
code
and
those
are
allowed
by
right.
O
It
was
the
boarding
that
pushes
it
to
conditional
staff
initially
did
advise
the
applicant
that
it
wasn't
allowed,
because
there
is
no
veterinarian
involved
and
there's
no
veterinary
office
proposed,
but
the
applicant
after
going,
she
went
to
TRC
two
times
and
after
more
discussion
we
felt
like
this
is
a
unique
project
and
we
should
bring
it
to
you
and
have
you
take
a
look
at
it?
So,
just
a
couple
more
things,
I'll
just
go
through
the
criteria,
basically
of
your
conditional
use
criteria.
O
O
The
compatibility
of
the
used
in
the
area
is
the
major
question
here
for
Planning
and
Zoning
with
respect
to
your
criteria.
Two
and
three,
the
special
area
plan
has
its
own
compatibility
standard.
That's
outlined
in
your
staff
report,
you're
on
pages
three
and
four,
but
basically
speaks
to
kind
of
the
I,
forget
the
exact
wording
but
kind
of
the
the
stable
coexistence
of
this
mix
of
uses.
As
we
mentioned,
there
are
several
uses
nearby
that
are
pretty
diverse.
O
You've
got
Apartments
a
mix
of
commercial
and
light
industrial
here,
commercial
here
and
then
single
family
around
our
major
concerns
with
respect
to
impact
are
the
potential
noise
that
would
be
probably
the
biggest
one,
as
some
of
you
may
have
experienced
you
know,
dog
barking
is
something
that
will
carry
Beyond
just
this
block
and
so
that
that's
an
issue,
the
hours
of
operation
of
the
training
and
then
the
overnight
boarding
is
a
concern
and
the
activities
mostly
outside
in
the
yard
that
will
be
conducted,
so
the
applicant
can
can
provide
details
on
that
foreign.
O
So
those
two
criteria
we
would
ask
you
to
to
take
a
look
at
the
site
is
not
an
historical
district.
The
applicant
will
be
managing
the
dog
waste
that
will
be
picked
up.
It
will
not
be
allowed
to
stay
on
the
site
and
disrupt
storm
water.
That
was
something
or
storm
water
folks
wanted
to
to
have
that
we
wouldn't
be
adding
nutrients
excess
nutrients
to
storm
water
staff
feels
like
the
long-term
property
values.
O
I,
don't
know
that
this
this
use,
if
approved,
is
going
to
really
affect
those
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
judge
whether
it
will
affect
them
long
term.
We
don't,
we
don't
think
it
will.
We
think
it's
a
more
of
a
direct
impact.
O
Then
the
city
has
the
ability
to
serve
the
property.
The
city
is
already
serving
the
property
and
we
feel
like
this
is
a
continued
use
of
an
existing
older
building
in
this
area.
So
staff
has
brought
this
to
you
and
we
are
recommending
that
if
you
do
approve
this
use
that
you
limit
overnight
boarding
to
10
dogs,
that
it
be
supervised
24
hours
a
day
and
I
believe
that
is
the
plan
that
the
applicant
has
proposed.
O
O
So
we've
recommended
three
conditions
of
approval.
You
know
we
would
recommend
that
the
board
consider
those
and,
like
I,
said
noise,
outdoor
activities
and
hours
of
operation.
Those
are
considerations.
O
O
O
B
O
A
C
C
C
C
Well,
but
but
that
goes
to
my
one
of
my
questions
to
Pat,
is
you
know,
like
you
say
when
you
have
a
conditional
use,
you
reserve
the
right
to
revoke
it
if
some
of
those
conditions
or
becomes
problematic
and
what
I
hate
to
see
is
a
business.
That's
set
up
getting
start
to
get
a
lot
of
complaints
for
for
dogs
barking
and
then
all
of
a
sudden.
You
know
because
of
the
continuous
complaints,
the
possibility
of
their
conditional
use
being
revoked
I.
Think
that's
fundamentally
unfair.
C
C
What
is
with
Westlake
animal
hospital?
They
have
a
boarding
facility
in
the
back
and
and
the
board
the
boarding
of
the
the
the
of
the
animal,
the
dogs.
They
could
board
them
without
vet
services,
so
they
basically
can
board
pets.
Okay,
and
how
is
it
fundamentally
fair
if
somebody
wanted
to
have
a
Doggy
Daycare
that
had
a
loud
boarding
versus
a
vet?
Who
has
a
separate
business?
C
Would
you
consider
that
and
when
I
look
at
our
code,
is
that
fundamentally
unfair?
You
know
because
yeah,
because
I'm
a
vet
I
could
do
this
because
you're
not
a
vet,
you
can't
do
it
and
it's
the
same
business
and
and
so
I
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
what's
wrong
with
our
code.
That
allows
somebody
just
because
they're
a
licensed
vet
to
be
able
to
have
a
separate
and
Independent
Business
outside
of
vet
services
than
than
somebody
who
just
wants
to
have
the
ability
to
to
board
animals.
Just
like
the
vets.
O
Do
yes
and
I
would
say
that
so
have
we
kind
of
struggled
with
this
ourselves
in
in
staff?
I
would
say
the
veterinary
use
at
some
level
may
be
in
implies
maybe
some
level
of
medical
boarding
associated
with
it.
That's
why
that
is
still
a
conditional
use
would
have
to
come
to
use
so
the
separation
of
those
and
I
I
understand
I
I've
boarded
my
dog
as
a
vet
just
for
boarding
and
for
medical,
and
they
they
had
a
boarding
facility
with
two
areas.
O
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying
so,
this
being
a
special
area
plan,
you
know
that
kind
of
mix
of
uses
it
would
all
be
conditional,
so
that
would
have
to
be
kind
of
vetted
but
yeah.
Now
this,
if
you
look
on
pages
and
like
I
say,
the
applicant
will
explain
this
if
you
can
we're
still
printing
it
back
and
I'm.
Sorry
for
some
reason,
though,.
O
Okay,
those
of
you
that
can
look
up
on
PDF,
Pages
192
to
197
you'll,
see
this
applicant
is
proposing
a
kind
of
a
different
set.
It's
not
kennels
with
runs
and
all
that
it's
creates
very
controlled
different
rooms
and
10
10
pets,
10
dogs,
I'm.
So
it's
it
is
a
different
animal.
Sorry,
it
is
unique.
So
that's
why
we
brought
it
to
you,
but
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
it
would
be
conditional
the
vet
and
you
can
put
lots
of
conditions
unconditional
uses.
C
That
that
somebody
who
just
wants
but
I
guess
that's
for
a
different
discussion.
So
the
other
question
is
maybe
the
applicant
can
answer
it
do
do
11
dogs,
bark
louder
than
10
or
the
nine
bark
lessons.
J
O
Or
yeah
well
proposed
originally
proposed
10
and
then
double
that
on
holidays
up
to
20..
We
said:
let's
cap
it
at
10,
and
we
we
wanted
her
to
make
her
her
case
with
in
TRC.
She
she
did
talk
about
how
the
The
Barking
as
somebody's
always
with
the
dog
up,
leave
I'll
I'll.
Let
her
explain
how
that
is,
because
the
actual
barking
is
controlled.
A
C
Noise
abatement,
part
of
the
I
didn't
see,
noise,
abatement
or
or
but
as
part
of
the
I
guess,
do
they
have
to
submit
a
site
plan
that
I
suspect
moving
forward
or
not.
O
F
F
O
C
C
G
A
G
G
O
Sorry
well,
the
the
building
is
a
vacant.
At
the
moment
it
was
pre
I
believe
the
applicant
purchased
the
building.
It
was
previously
a
dog
grooming
facility,
okay,.
D
Oh
excuse
me
definitely,
but
at
a
minimum
dog
boarding,
and
so
the
concept
is
to
have
dogs
stay
there
overnight
inside
outside
I
got
a
dog
they
go
outside
I
mean
we're
right,
adjacent
to
a
multi-family
senior
housing
complex.
Yes,.
O
D
Then
we
also
know
that
all
the
people
that
live
in
that
apartment-
complex-
probably
let's
just
assume
it's
true-
they
didn't
get
any
notice
because
they're,
not
owners,
they're,
just
renters,
and
there
was
one
owner
someplace
in
Texas.
Probably
that
got
a
notification
and
then
they
didn't
respond
at
all.
Most
apartment
complexes,
for
some
reason
are
owned
in
Texas,
so
I
just
wow,
that's
where
the
developers
come
from
humor
set
aside,
but
it's
reasonable
to
assume
that
the
number
one
affected
party,
which
is
the
apartment,
complex
next
door.
D
O
Didn't
get
noticed
from
the
city,
I,
don't
know
if
the
applicant
it
was
suggested
to
the
applicant,
but
they
coordinate
with
that
the
management
over
there
I
don't
know.
If
that
happens,
so
you
can
ask
her
and
I
would
like
to
also
just
you
know
the
the
apartments
are
over
here.
As
far
as
the
noise,
you
know
not
much
difference,
but
the
apartments
are
over
here.
Fronting
on
Martin,
Luther,
King
and
Safford
I
mean
one
positive.
D
D
D
The
definition
I
don't
need
to
so
really.
This
is
not
even
a
conditional
use
application
we've
reached
Beyond
conditional
use
because
the
conditional
use
and
I'll
repeat
what
you
just
said
is
Veterinary
with
boarding
there's
no
vet
here.
This
is
purely
just
boarding.
So
in
fact
this
is
not
even
an
approved
conditional
use.
But
if
I
repeat
what
you
said
earlier,
as
you
thought,
hey,
let's
be
polite
and
give
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
present
it
to
the
board.
Yes,.
O
E
J
I
have
three
dogs
and
I'm
sure
people
up
here
do
is
a
little
upsetting
to
look
at
these
pictures
of
kennel,
and
this
is
the
use
that
was
proposed.
The
pictures
I've
seen
are
not
kennels.
There
are
crates,
so
the
kennels
that
are
the
overnight
boarding,
that
is
provided
by
say,
West,
Lake
and
Tarpon.
In
Anclote
there
are
kennels,
they
are
gated
in
like
concrete,
it
is
literally
impossible
for
a
dog
to
get
out
of
them
and
the
Vets
are
there
during
the
day.
But
there
is
no
overnight
supervision.
J
It's
nobody
can
afford
that.
Dogtopia
I
think,
is
the
only
boarding
facility
that
provides
overnight
supervision.
I,
don't
think
anyone
can
afford
that
in
this.
What
this
proposal?
So,
even
though
that's
a
requirement,
I
think
that
that's
it'll
be
unreasonable.
They
can't
do
that.
These
crates,
if
you're,
going
to
provide
this
type
of
overnight
boarding
for
the
same
type
of
dogs
that
need
training,
are
usually
dogs
that
are
sent
to
training
facilities
because
they
have
behavioral
issues.
J
They
will
chew
their
way
out
of
every
single
one
of
those
crates
and
I've
seen
so
many
dogs
that
have
scars
forever
and
are
just
I
adopted,
one
of
them
that
they'll
never
recover
recover
from
those
pictures
I've
seen
in
there.
Those
are
not
candles.
Those
are
crates,
they're,
nothing
stabilizing
them
to
any
part
of
the
home.
J
I
have
heard
nothing
about
the
training
facilities,
certifications,
who's,
going
to
be
training.
These
dogs
I
mean
the
dogs
that
need
training
are
German,
Shepherds,
Belgian
Malino.
These
are
loud
dogs
that
are
doing
very
aggressive
things.
They
need
a
lot
of
space.
They
can't
be
next
to
bars
where
people
are
drinking.
It's
not
a
good
mix.
J
The
compatibility
aspect
of
this
I
mean
I
think
it
just
has
to
go
back
again,
like
you
said
this
kind
of
came
in
on
some
Veterinary
aspect,
and
it
just
needs
to
be
reworked
the
area.
Besides
the
noise
and
the
notice,
the
pictures
alone,
I
don't
want
Tarpon
Springs
to
be
in
the
news
about
these
horrific
stories
and
I've
seen
them
before,
and
I've
adopted
dogs
from
those
situations.
So
I'm
not
anything
personal
about
the
applicant,
but
the
city
needs
to.
J
If
we
don't
have
a
use
for
this,
we
can't
just
be
nice
unless
and
let
this
happen
just
because
we
don't
have
the
right
requirement-
and
this
is
the
the
pictures
that
I've
seen
that
have
been
are
not
compatible
with
keeping
dogs
safe
or
regardless
of
the
people
I'm,
not
even
worried
about
the
people.
At
this
point,
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
dogs,
it's
not
a
safe
environment.
All.
A
G
Briefly,
your
credentials
are
on
file
with
the
city.
Yes,
and
are
you
offering
the
city's
file
in
this
matter
as
evidence
for
the
board's
consideration?
Yes
and
just?
Lastly,
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
the
definition.
That's
contained
into
the
record,
a
veterinary
office
with
kennel
as
a
conditional
use.
That
use
is
defined
in
section
6.1
as
a
building
that
contains
a
doctor
who
treats
animals
and
is
a
practitioner
of
veterinary
medicine.
G
I
would
also
point
out
for
the
board
that
the
city
does
have
a
noise
ordinance
in
section
12-4
and
following
where
it
talks
about
noise
prohibited
generally,
and
it
uses
the
loud
and
raucous
noise
standard
if
you're
familiar
with
the
case
law
on
that.
If
you
need
me
to
explain
it,
I
can
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
and
it
has
a
specific
provision
that
says
the
keeping
of
any
animal
or
bird
which
habitually
causes
loud
and
raucous
noise.
G
N
Yes,
just
one
Mr
chairman
Pat
to
your
knowledge,
is
there
any
precedence
or
or
process
in
place
for
down
the
road
appraisal
of
a
special
use,
condition
that
may
be
causing
some
sort
of
annoyance,
alarm
or
or
negative
impact
on
the
surrounding
areas?
Are
there
other
uses
that
that
has
taken
place
of
where
the
city
has
had
to
kind
of
appraise?
What's
going
on.
O
A
O
No
matter
what
time
of
the
day
to
your
attorney's
point,
the
noise
ordinance
kicks
in
as
far
as
the
standard
if
the
police
visited,
and
they
feel
that
the
ordinance
is
being
you
know,
broken
they
advise
the
the
people
to
remove
or
lower
the
noise.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
C
I
I
do
I
mean
what
kind
of
noise
abatement
is
already
in
place
or
do
you
plan
on
putting
in
because,
as
you
could
probably
proceed
from
the
comments
here,
that
could
be
an
issue
you
know.
Would
you
have
a
bunch
of
dogs
as
they
start
barking?
How,
if
you're
a
neighbor
you
hear
a
bunch
of
dogs
barking?
You
know
how
how
you?
What
do
you
have
plans,
or
what
is
your
plan
to
obey
some
of
the
that
noise.
M
We
are
a
training
facility
that
is
our
primary
use.
We
do
both
in
homes,
so
I
go
to
people's
homes
and
I
train
their
dogs
in
their
home.
I.
Do
that
Monday,
Tuesday,
Wednesdays
and
then
I
have
an
offering
of
a
board
and
train
where
the
dogs
will
come
and
they
need
to
be
in
my
care
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
for
a
period
of
time,
that's
set
so
for
noise.
It's
next
to
none,
it's
probably
less
than
the
groomer
was
because
the
groomer
would
have
dogs
that
would
arrive
in
the
morning.
M
M
The
number
is
very
small
because
they
only
work
for
with
a
very
small
number
of
dogs
at
a
time,
so
that
gone
from
working
with
a
large
number
of
dogs
60
to
70
a
day
now,
I
do
one-on-one
training,
because
the
work
that
I
was
doing
in
my
daycare
facility
that
did
daycare
and
lodging
and
Grooming
my
clients
were
going
home.
Saying
I,
don't
know
what
you're
doing,
but
my
dogs
are
not
only
tired
but
they're.
M
Listening
to
me
more
so
I
would
then
take
that
piece
of
information
and
continue
to
apply
and
which
resulted
in
after
five
years,
I
sold
the
business
to
work
one-on-one
with
clients.
So
I
did
a
lot
of
soul.
Searching
and
I
did
go
to
school
and
I
belonged
to
iacp
I
belonged
to
the
International
Association
of
canine
professionals.
I
come
from
a
long
line
of
animal
trainers.
M
My
assistant
here
is
also
a
trainer.
Did
her
internship
at
Lowry
Park
Zoo,
so
we're
not
uneducated
people,
but
we
come
from
I
come
from
very
traditional
type
of
working
of
with
animals,
so
I
work
with
a
small
group
of
animals
and
I
give
them
around
the
clock
care.
So
when
safety
comes
into
question,
the
hair
raises
up
on
the
back
of
my
neck,
because
that's
all
I
care
about
is
the
safety
of
the
animal
okay.
C
C
C
M
Wasn't
it
wasn't
a
it
wasn't
about
being
packed
on
one
top?
It
shows
that
those
individual
crates
are
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
piece
they're,
not
your
fifty
dollar
crate
that
you're
going
to
get
off
of
Amazon
or
anything
like
that.
Those
are
impact
crates
and
for
dogs
who
absolutely
have
to
be
crate
trained.
Those
are
the
crates
that
keep
dogs
safe,
I,
also
use
airline
crates.
M
M
M
M
You
know
created
a
whole
space
in
in
this
building
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
have
overnight
facilities
for
us
that
are
comfortable
and
we
put
that
back
in,
and
so
these
dogs
aren't
you're
you're,
not
I'm,
not
dealing
with
50
or
60
dogs
in
a
in
a
run
environment.
I
know
each
one
of
these
dogs
intimately
I
know
they're
owners
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
them
and
I'm.
M
You
know
we're
we're
giving
them
what
it
is
that
they
need
in
order
to
function
in
society
and
be
cared
for
very
well,
and
they
learn
about
seven
or
eight
commands
in
which
they
can.
A
parent
can
then
replicate
very
easily
so
that
they're
able
to
give
the
command
and
the
dog
can
get
in
the
car
ride
in
the
car
go
to
the
dog
park.
Go
to
the
restaurant
walk
nicely
on
leash.
M
You
know
we're
not
out
here
trying
to
you
know
and
I'm,
not
interested
in
a
kennel
I'm,
not
interested
in
an
outdoor
run
or
any
of
those
type
of
things
really
not
I
just
need
the
training
that
I'm
doing
today,
which
we've
been
doing
at
that
facility
on
a
daily
basis
since
I
bought
it
so
we're
doing
training
every
single
day.
Do.
M
M
So
we
have
them
on
site,
been
in
the
business
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
not
interested.
You
know
it's
funny
the
lady
at
Santos
Isle.
She
came
to
one
of
our
pack
walks
Gizmo
she's,
the
lady
who
is
like
the
police
watch
person.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
you
call
them,
so
she
came
down
to
our
pack
walk
and
super
nice.
Lady
I
have
communicated
with
the
manager
at
Santos
Isle
and
she
welcomes
us
she's.
A
wonderful
she's
has
had
no
complaints
that
I'm
aware
of
I
told
her.
M
If
you
have
any
please
let
me
know
we
don't
just
have
dogs
running
out
in
the
yard
we're
working
on
dogs
on
leash,
so
they
can
understand
that
they
need
to
be
with
us
when
to
go
in
to
sit,
how
to
go
into
a
down.
How
to
be
quiet
and
just
relax?
You
know,
dogs,
don't
have
enough
time
to
learn
how
to
turn
on
and
turn
off.
So
we
teach
a
lot
of
that.
It's
very
quiet.
Do.
M
Don't
we're
going
into
that
aspect
because
there's
a
huge
need
for
it,
but
you
know
to
get
a
dog
ready
to
do
some
service
training
you're
talking
about
2
000
hours,
just
to
get
it
prepared
to
do
service
work.
So
what
we
do
is
a
minimum
of
three
week
period
of
time,
a
dog
who
has
to
do
a
board
and
train.
We
don't
rush
it
I,
don't
I
want
the
dog
to
be
acclimated.
I
want
the
dog
to
be
calm.
M
I
want
the
dog
to
know
its
surroundings
so
that
we
can
start
building
a
we
work.
We
train
off
of
a
reward
system,
and
so
the
dog
is
getting
rewarded.
90
of
the
time
it's
there
do
I'm
going
to
teach
you
how
to
do
it
reward
you
for
all
the
time
you're
doing
it,
and
if
you
get
it
wrong,
it's
okay,
I'm,
going
to
show
you
how
to
get
it
right.
So
that
takes
a
lot
of
rinse
and
repeat
rinse
and
repeat
of
this.
M
You
know
what
your
trying
to
teach
the
dog
and
we
do
a
lot
of
that
indoors.
You
know
the
dog
has
to
learn
how
to
not
get
excited
about
the
doorbell,
not
jump
up
on
the
counters,
so
we've
kind
of
re-butified
the
place
to
put
back
in
those
opportunities
where
the
dog
can
practice.
So
it's
kind
of
a
niche
business
where
I'm
not
teaching
a
police
dog
how
to
do
bite
work.
You
know
I'm
teaching
the
dog
just
how
to
be
calm
when
the
doorbell
rings.
H
C
In
your
because
this
is
your
expertise,
I
suspect,
when
a
dog
is
Crate
trained,
does
the
dog
feel
a
sense
of
security
by
being
in
its
crate.
M
And
it
can-
and
there
can
also
be,
that
level
of
anxiety.
We
got
a
client
today
who
adopted
a
dog
who's.
They
think
is
somewhere
between
six
and
nine
years
old
and
it
was
an
older
couple,
and
this
is
a
younger
couple
and
the
dog
is
not
comfortable,
you
know
being
on
its
own,
so
we're
going
to
work
through
that
process.
We
created
a
plan
for
them
and
and
it's
it's
providing
a
sense
of
calm
for
the
dog.
We
are
calm.
M
The
animals
around
the
dogs
are
calm,
and
so
we
teach
the
dog
how
to
be
calm
with
the
crate
door
open,
but
with
an
exercise
a
pen
around
it,
so
he
can
come
in
and
out
of
the
crate
and
then
it's
just
evolving
in
life.
So
it
can
start
understanding
that
that
crate
is
where
in
case
it
eats
socks
and
has
to
have
surgery.
It
needs
to
be
calm
in
a
secluded
place
that
parents
are
going
to
the
grocery
store.
M
It
has
to
be
calm
in
a
circulated
place,
so
we
take
hours
upon
hours
of
teaching
that
dog
how
to
do
it.
We
don't
just
shove
the
dog
in
there
and
shut
the
door
and
wish
for
the
very
best
we're
there
to
walk
through
the
dog
through
every
single
process.
So
if
the
dog
can
be
there
for
10
minutes
and
then
it
starts
showing
that
it's
not
comfortable,
then
we
take
the
dog
out
and
we'll
do
it
some
on
leash
work.
M
C
Well,
if,
if
there
was
a
condition
put
in
place
that
required
obviously
you're
licensing
requirement
that
that
required
any
transfer
or
of
ownership,
or
that
a
that
It
could
only
the
only
person
who
would
be
able
to
operate
that
as
big
a
condition
would
be
somebody
that
has
the
the
the
training,
certifications
and
I'm
I.
Guess
I'm.
Asking
counsel
for
that.
Could
that
be
a
condition
that
that
training,
certifications,
kind
of
run
with
the
land
more
more
or
less
as
a
condition
to
approval.
G
Based
on
the
language
of
the
code,
what
may
be
preferable
is
some
sort
of
condition
that
we're
to
read
that
they
have
to
have
an
agreement
for
24-hour
service
with
a
vet
and
have
that
on
record
with
the
city
in
order
to
meet
that
requirement
for
the
vet
Veterinary
Care
component.
That
is
what
I
was
reading
in
the
code.
C
G
It's
not
the
it's
not
exactly
the
same
as
what's
in
there,
but
that
it
would
be
getting
closer
if
I.
If
I
read
what
you're
asking.
H
G
This
may
so
I
think
the
training
is
actually
Allowed
by
right
in
this
area
is,
is
what
I'm
understanding
training
is
allowed
by
right?
Okay,
she
stop.
G
Pursuant
to
the
training,
the
only
portion
of
the
application-
that's
actually
conditional
is
the
kennel
aspect
where
it's
over
keeping
the
dogs
overnight
and
that
that
is
the
part
of
the
code
that
requires
the
Veterinary
assistance
with
a
conditional
use.
If
it
were
to
change
ownership
well,
I,
don't
think
because
the
training
isn't
is
allowed.
C
G
You
could
make
the
conditional
use
specific
to
the
owner
and
not
a
condition
of
the
property,
so
you
can
say
that
the
conditional
use
for
the
kennel
is
solely
for
the
training
aspect
of
the
business.
So
that
way
you
wouldn't
be
allowing
or
creating
a
precedent
for
other
kennels
to
operate
and
I.
Think
that
is
what
you're
trying
to
get
at.
C
No
no
I
I,
because
if,
if
trading
facilities
by
right,
okay
I
don't
think
the
issue
is
the
training
facility,
the
issue
becomes
when
you
are
housing,
the
housing,
the
pets,
okay
and
part
of
their
presentation
or
the
applicant's
presentation,
is
the
credentialing
they
have
in
the
training
process.
That
is,
you
know.
C
M
C
Okay,
and
and
because
of
the
credentialing
that
the
applicant
has,
if
John
Doe
decided
they
want
to
take
over
their
facility,
they
may
not
have
this
yeah.
They
could
operate
a
dog
training
facility,
but
now
you've
got
somebody
without
credentialing
that
can
keep
pets
overnight.
Right
without
the
you
know,
there's
a
reason
they're
keeping
them
overnight
is
for
the
training
aspect
of
it,
and-
and
that's
learned
from
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that's
learned
from
the
educational
and
the
expertise
or
the
experience
you
have
in
that
process.
Part.
C
D
B
H
J
M
Of
communication
I
want
her
to
know
that
we
really
really
feel
very
special
about
being
here.
We
look
for
property
since
we've
owned
canine
Adventures
in
Palm
Harbor
and
could
not
find
Green
Space
I've
looked
for
years,
and
so
we're
very
proud
to
be
here.
We
feel
like
it's
a
very
good
fit
the
Pinellas
Trail.
Is
there
right
literally
on
the
right
there
at
Safford,
and
we
want
to
represent
Tarpon
Springs
in
a
very
proud
way
we
would
be.
M
It
would
be
horrific
for
us
to
show
up
on
anywhere
that
would
be
not
really
holding
us
up
to
the
the
best
that
Tarpon
Springs
really
is
we
think
Tarpon
Springs
is
the
right
place
to
be
we've
been
in
this
area
since
2003
and
I've
been
in
dog
training
for
many
many
years,
so
I'm
not
looking
to
do
anything
other
than
really
help
the
community.
Our
mission
statement
is
all
about
that
and
I
want
to
help
a
lot
of
people.
We
were
the
only
facility
that
would
take
a
pit
bull.
M
Those
are
at
Royal
that
would
your
groomers
couldn't
bring
their
dogs
once
they've
been
dnaed
they'd
bring
their
dog
to
us,
so
they
could
go
to
work
at
Royal.
So
there's
a
lot
of
discrimination
against
a
lot
of
these
dogs
who
were
in
and
adopted
from
Suncoast
Animal,
League
I'm
well
known
there
I'm
well
known
all
in
this
area
here,
but
helping
a
lot
of
people.
M
So
if
you
Google
me
at
all,
you'll
find
me
and
I'm
I'm
known
as
a
balance,
trainer
and
so
I
help
people
balance
their
lives
with
their
dogs
so
that
they
can
take
them
anywhere.
Do
anything
with
them
that
they
want
in
a
pet
environment
and
I've,
been
around
the
the
most
formed
obedience
that
you
could
be
with
in
the
schutzen
OR
canine
police
training.
So
we're
looking
to
represent
everybody
here
very
proudly
and
with
no
issues.
F
Just
one
more
question:
does
your
training
have
any
time
when
which
you
are
training
them
outside
of
your
facility,
meaning
taking
them
on
the
on
the
trail?
Every.
M
Day
hours
and
hours,
I
clock
seven,
eight
miles
ten
ten
miles
a
day.
Okay,
so
and
we
often
the
business
owners
down
here,
have
been
fabulous.
They
know
who
we
are
we'll
go
in
and
out
of
their
stores.
We
don't
make
a
monkey
thing
if
the
dog's
not
ready
to
go
in
and
out
of
the
store,
we
don't
go
there.
M
If
we
know
up
and
down
the
trail,
we
know
just
about
everybody
who
sits
there
full
time
on
their
benches
with
their
dogs.
So
we
know
a
lot
of
people
around
here
and
we
try
to
really
know
that
we're
there
to
help
them
provide
pillars
for
many
people
in
this
area
to
support
them
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
and
we're
very
happy
to
be
here
and
I
hope
we're
received.
Well,
we
don't
look
to
make
a
bunch
of
noise
and
a
bunch
of
nonsense.
That's
just
not
what
we
do.
F
F
D
M
So
I've
been
in
this,
this.
D
D
M
D
Okay,
so
but
your
business
could,
since
you
already
opened
it
and
you're
running
it,
you
could
theoretically
continue
to
run
your
business
and
do
all
the
terrific
things
you
do
and
I'm
a
dog
owner
and
a
dog
lover,
and
you
sound,
wonderful
and
are
probably
great
at
what
you
do.
But
this
is
about
planning
and
zoning.
This
is
not
about
whether
you're,
nice
or
you're,
a
good
dog
trainer.
It's
about
planning
and
zoning.
H
M
D
And
I
don't
know
that
so
but
of
course
you
know
that
then,
and
now
yeah
until
this
moment
that
you
could
not
board
dogs
there,
yes
and
then
I'll
just
ask
the
question
rhetorically
for
everyone
is
that
currently
it's
not
even
a
conditional
use.
This
is
charting
out
brand
new
territory
that
doesn't
even
exist.
M
M
As
an
ancillary,
I'll
bathe
a
dog
and
do
the
dog's
toenails
you
know
if
the
dog
is
with
me
for
a
period
of
time
and
and
needs
a
bath,
we
give
it
a
bath,
but
do
I.
Do
we
publicly,
you
know,
say:
hey
we'll,
do
grooming
for
exit?
No,
we
don't
do.
M
M
D
D
Super
so
I
got
a
couple
more
questions
and
they're
going
to
be
tough,
I
still.
Okay,
so
are
you
planning
on
spending
the
night
there
every
night?
Yes,
you
every
night
365
days
a.
M
Year,
Lowry
Park
Zoo
in
turn,
college
educated
individually.
M
D
P
For
sure
I
might
you
know
I
I
kind
of
share
the
concern
with
my
fellow
board
member
I'm,
looking
at
those
kennels
and
I
do
understand.
You
know
why
they're
so
expensive,
why
you
have
them
they're
indestructible
I,
understand
that
sure,
but
it
is
very
much
off-putting
and
concerns
us
that
you
know
people's
dogs
would
be
kept
to
I
mean
it's.
There's
no
visual
for
the
dog
I
mean
they're.
They
are
locked
down
sort
of
in
solitary
confinement
in
those
kennels.
So.
M
To
me
to
me,
let's
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
how
that
works.
So
there's
a
schedule
to
the
day,
so
the
dog
is
like
a
light
switch.
So
it's
on
and
off
on
and
off
on
and
off
so
they're
learning
that
when
the
light
is
turned
on
they
come
out
of
the
crate
nicely.
Then
they
are
on
leash
and
then
we
go
outside
and
then
they
have
fun
interactive
time.
You
know
they
go
potty
they
play
with
the
other
dogs.
H
M
There's
no
solitary
confinement,
they're,
never
alone
they're
with
us
and
they're
with
other
dogs
and
so
they're
on
the
schedule
where
you
know
a
dog
needs
18
hours
of
rest
a
day,
and
so
you
get
a
dog
who's
learning
how
to
learn
that
is
mentally
stimulating
for
a
dog,
and
so,
when
they're
ready
to
turn
that
light
off,
they
need
a
quiet
place
to
do
it
and
we
offer
that
client
quiet
place.
Our
clients
know
exactly
where
these
dogs,
where
they
are,
there's
no
secrecy
to
it.
P
Have
to
say,
but
I'm,
not
in
your
business
sure
so
the
other
thing
that
concerned
me
and
I've
I've
heard
from
your
answers.
I
think
it's
been
addressed,
but
I'm
hoping
we
can
somehow
include
it
in
the
conditional
uses
where
someone
is
going
to
be
there
and.
M
That's
my
commitment
because
I
just
don't
my
clientele
will
not
have
that
any
other
way.
You
know
the
and
she
has
a
valid
point.
You
talk
about
the
the
cost
for
doing
this.
You
know
this
is
not
a
it's
not
25
a
night.
It's
not
a
thirty
dollar
a
night.
We
don't
charge
by
night
in
that
capacity,
so
my
concern
is
being
able
to
have
the
dog
in
my
care,
24,
7,
and
being
able
to
be
with
that
dog
and.
M
N
I
have
one
quick
question:
I
I
know
the
staff,
and
you
agree
to
limit
the
attendance
overnight
for
boarding
to
10
or
less.
How
many
do
you
perceive
would
be
there
for
training
on,
say
a
daily
basis.
M
M
It's
a
very
you
know
it's
a
very
high
level
of
of
deliverables.
My
clients
expect
a
certain
level
of
deliverable
and
and
I
have
a
great
relationship
with
those
folks
who,
if,
if
I
need
more
time,
they
give
it
if
they
need
me
to
come
to
their
home
for
an
expended
extended
period
of
time
after
the
dog
has
been
trained.
I
give
it
it's
that
type
of
relationship
so
we're
there
for
our
clients,
they're
Welcome,
to
our
facility
at
any
time.
M
A
M
N
Not
that
at
all,
right
and
I
know
you
have
substantial
buffering
around
the
perimeter
of
the
property,
which
is
great.
The
brewery
which
was
the
subject
of
a
prior
hearing
is
probably
closest
neighbor
and,
of
course,
their
activities
may
go
on
a
little
bit
in
the
evening,
so
as
much
as
I'm
worried
about
the
impact
to
surrounding
Properties
by
the
dogs,
I'm
also
worried
about
the
impact
of
the
dogs
about
that
surrounding
property.
N
M
And
I
think
that
it's
funny
that
you
say
it
that
way,
because
that's
my
concern
dogs
are
these
dogs
are
exhausted
by
the
end
of
the
day.
A
M
Tired
they
just
want
to
go
to
bed,
they
just
want
to
have
their
meal,
get
their
last
outing
and
get
rest,
and
so
they
could
do
it.
The
next
day,
I
mean
it's
literally
like
boot
camp
where
they
get.
You
know
fun
during
the
day
as
well,
but
they
get
this
schedule
of.
You
know
a
system
of
communication
that
they
have
to
learn
and
lots
of
reward,
Brent
and
repeat,
and
then
they're
tired.
M
At
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
he
plans
to
have
music
and
how
often
that
will
be
and
what
those
impacts
will
be.
But
you
know
we've
been
beautifying
the
place,
not
so
much
changing
any
any
structure
to
the
building,
but
it
was
in
need
of
a
lot
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we've
been
doing,
and
so
we
put
in
the
fencing
we
are
going
to
replace
some
of
those
windows
because
they
do
need
to
be
replaced.
M
A
F
C
F
M
And
I
would
say
to
you
also
that
you
know
if
you're,
a
client
who's
who
you've
invested
a
lot
of
money
in
this
dog
going
through
training,
and
you
go
to
the
Royals
of
the
dogtopias
of
the
world
where
there's
no
structured
environment.
Precious
Pets
is
a
great
example
of
no
structure
we're
all
about
structure.
So
if
your
dog
has
gone
through
that
process
and
for
structure,
then
you
know,
if
you
have
an
opportunity
and
you're
going
out
of
town,
then
yes,
you
can
call
us
to
maintain
a
structure.
M
So
that's
why
it
originally
indicated
that
it
would
be.
You
know
easy
for
us
to
have
20
client
dogs
there
for
a
holiday,
Thanksgiving
and
Christmas,
that's
about
it,
nobody's
going
anywhere
for
Valentine's,
Day
or
St
Patrick's,
Day
or
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
So,
but
you
know
it's,
it
would
be
feasible
for
us
to
have
more
than
10
dogs,
because
if
you've
just
got
done,
training
in
August
and
you're
going
out
for
Thanksgiving
or
Christmas,
hey
can
I
keep
my
dog
with
you
to
keep
that
structure
going
because
it
takes.
M
You
know
that
maintenance,
but
and
I
told
Pat
I'm
like
we're
going
to
do
whatever
the
rules
say
we
do.
We
can
do
I'm
all
about
you
know
going
by
the
rules
and
and
getting
it
done,
I'm
just
trying
to
bring
a
very
valuable
piece
of
what
a
community
I
mean
I'm
slammed
booked,
and
so,
if
I
can
you
know
get
this
next
piece
done,
then
I
can
help
a
lot
of
people.
B
J
Part
of
this,
how
you
mentioned
is
the
rules.
Yes,
okay
and
I.
Think
that
is
what
Mr
Vesey
was
implying.
Is
there
are
no
rules
at
this
point,
so
you
know
you've
kind
of
been
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place
about
well.
I
did
kind
of
know
that
there
wasn't
that
this
was
allowed
and
then
I
didn't
know
so
yeah
you're
willing
to
follow
the
rules,
because
there
are
no
rules
in
place,
we're
making
them
as
we
go
along.
It
just
said
that
this
was
a
Veterinary
requirement,
so
there's
no
vet.
J
So
again,
this
is
about
planning
and
zoning.
One
of
the
biggest
components
is
compatibility,
so
you
took
this
place
over.
It
was
a
grooming
facility
right
and
you
said
that
the
dogs
would
bark
more
at
The
Grooming
facility
than
it
this
at
your
training
facility
was
going
to
have
them
overnight.
Is
that
correct?
Is
that
what
you
said?
There's
a
feedback
that
I
got
yes,
so
you
knew
that
at
the
grooming
facility
that
everyone
that
dropped
their
dog
off
would
stay
there
from
7
A.M
until
they
closed.
J
I'm
just
telling
you
the
process,
most
people
don't
want
to
leave
their
dogs
more
than
two
hours,
but
you've
guaranteed
us
that
the
dogs
won't
bark
at
night.
How
can
you
do
that
because
we're
there?
How
can
you
guarantee
dogs
won't
bark
I
mean
that's
just
a
fair
question
just
because
you're
there
well.
J
M
J
M
M
M
J
J
J
You
talked
about
your
training,
certifications.
You
mentioned
some
letters,
I.
J
M
M
I
one
other
person,
who's
qualified
and
then
one
in
training.
Where
did
they
train
same
way?
That
I
did
so
I'm
training
that
individual?
So
they
come
with
a
bachelor's
degree
and
they
did
their
internship
at
Lowry,
Park
Zoo,
so
I
think
that
person's
very
qualified
to
do
all
the
husbandry
part
of
the
work
and
is
now
learning
to
do
the
training
part
of
the
work.
J
As
far
as
our
staff
mentioned,
the
revocation
of
conditional
use
and
I've
actually
never
heard
them
even
discuss
revocating
any
conditional
use.
Ever
you
mentioned
the
training
in
the
overnight
stays.
What
are
the
fees
for
just
training
without
the
overnight
stay?.
M
M
M
J
M
J
Clientele
these
are
people
who
buy
dogs,
they
can't
control
and
they
pay
you
a
lot
of
money
to
board
them
and
teach
them
basic
skills.
So
this
isn't
like
a
mystery.
How
much
are
the
three-week?
How
much
is
it
2300
twenty
three
hundred
dollars?
That's.
J
J
J
B
O
O
O
O
C
O
O
O
It's
based
on
the
merits
of
each
individual
application.
Okay
I
will
tell
you
that
we
did
tell
this
applicant
when
they
first
came
in
that
staff
would
not
support
a
kennel.
We've
worked
with
the
applicant
gone
through
this.
We
felt
that
it
was
unique
and
she
wanted
to
come
here,
and
we
felt
that
we
should
accommodate
that.
C
I
think
it
was
logistic
for
a
kennel
I
think
that
was
that
was
the
the
applicant
was
just
for
a
kennel,
not
a
training,
slash.
D
A
F
D
People,
you
know
my
memory
is
never
that
good.
My
wife
is
not
here,
okay
and
so
I
didn't
mean
to
get
too
far
into
the
weeds,
but
my
my
stepmom.
M
C
D
I'm
gonna,
let
it
ride
out
of
the
bag.
The
intent
here
was
just
to
refresh
the
fact
that
we
have
actually
been
down
this
exercise
before
a
very
similar
concern.
Although
I
don't
believe
it
was
a
difficult
as
a
conditional
use.
I,
don't
remember
the
discussion
and
forgive
me
Council.
If
I'm
outside
the
guide,
Royals
right
now,
I
am
aren't.
G
I,
you
are
okay,
but
based
on
the
question
that
was
just
asked,
I
have
pulled
up
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances,
and
there
is
a
section
72
in
your
code
of
ordinances
that
has
not
been
provided
in
your
materials,
so
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
read
that
into
the
record
right
now,
that
is
section
72
overnight.
G
Boarding
of
animals,
definition,
exercise
area
and
area
utilized
to
allow
exercise
for
defined
periods
of
time,
but
not
utilized
for
permanent
overnight,
permanent
or
overnight
occupation
by
an
animal
outdoor
run
is
an
outdoor
kennel
occupied
by
an
animal
unsupervised
for
extended
periods
of
time.
Outdoor
runs
shall
also
include
any
outdoor
area
directly
connected
to
individual
indoor
kennels
such
that
animals
May
freely
roam
between
the
two.
The
following
standards
of
review
shall
be
required
were
overnight,
boarding
is
allowed
as
a
conditional
or
permitted
use
overnight.
Boarding
shall
be
limited
to
domestic
pets.
G
Only
farm
animals,
livestock
and
wild
animals
are
prohibited.
The
minimum
setback
from
any
residentially,
zoned
or
utilized
property
for
buildings
shall
be
100
feet.
The
minimum
setback
from
any
residentially,
zoned
or
utilized
property
for
outdoor
runs
shall
be
500
feet.
Outdoor
runs
shall
only
be
allowed
in
the
IR
and
IH
zoning
districts.
Outdoor
runs
shall
have
drains
connected
to
approved
sanitary
facilities.
Odor
and
Pest
Control
shall
be
required.
Outdoor
runs
shall
only
be
utilized
during
daylight
hours.
G
Brief
outdoor
periods
of
15
minutes
or
less
may
be
allowed
during
non-daylight
hours
in
early
morning
and
late
evening.
The
minimum
setback
from
residentially,
zoned
or
utilized
property
for
outdoor
exercise
areas
shall
be
100
feet.
Outdoor
exercise
areas
must
be
supervised
and
shall
only
be
utilized
during
daylight
hours.
Buildings
shall
be
designed
such
that
they
are
consistent
with
buildings
in
the
same
area.
G
Soundproofing
shall
be
required
for
all
boarding
facilities
such
that
the
sounds
of
any
animals
can
find
in
the
area
cannot
be
heard
outside
of
the
property
line.
Boarding
facilities
must
contain
Waste
Control
Systems
that
are
connected
to
an
approved
sanitary
facility.
Boarding
facilities
shall
contain
an
air
handling
system
for
disinfection
and
Odor.
Control
boarding
facility
shall
be
required
to
have
a
designated
veterinarian.
On-Call,
the
minimum
floor
area
per
animal
shall
be
120
square
feet,
I'm,
sorry,
125
square
feet,
an
overnight
Staffing
plan
or
other
acceptable
overnight.
Monitoring
system
must
be
provided.
G
The
next
session
section
is
buffering
requirements
in
addition
to
the
buffering
requirements
found
elsewhere.
In
this
code,
a
minimum
four
foot
berm
with
Landscaping
shall
be
required
where
a
boarding
facility
with
outdoor
runs
or
exercise
areas
directly
a
butts,
residentially,
zoned
or
utilized
land
in
lieu
of
or
in
addition
to
the
berm
and
Landscaping.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
may
consider
sound,
buffering,
fencing
or
walls
the
term
directly.
O
A
O
The
smart
code
area-
that's
not
one
of
them,
but
it
does
give
you
an
idea
and
I
do
know.
The
board
passed
that
expanded
protection
after
a
particular
instance
was
out
of
19
of
of
dog
boarding
where
it
created
a
problem.
So
there
were
some
pretty
stiff
standards
adopted
in
the
euclidean
zoning
area.
They
don't
apply
in
the
smart
code,
so
we
couldn't
apply
those,
but
they
might
give
you
some
ideas
on.
O
You
know
how
to
address
those
and
to
also
answer
your
question.
I
thought
there
was
a
number
of
dogs,
but
there's
not
animals
are
addressed
in
chapter
four
of
the
municipal
code,
it's
mostly
distinguishing
between
domestic
household
pets
and
farm
animals
and
when,
when
you
can
have
a
farm,
animal
and
then
IT
addresses
nuisance,
which
is
you
know,
barking
or
you
know,
hens
or
whatever.
But
there
is
no
number
I
thought
there
was
so.
O
It
looks
that
way
there
are
you
know,
and
as
long
as
they
don't
create
a
nuisance
as
defined,
there
are
five
or
six
standards
here
on
what
a
nuisance
animal
nuisance
is.
J
So
so
I
have
a
question
that
the
veterinarian
status
that
came
in
tonight
just
to
be
nice
because
we
have
to
give
everybody
a
chance,
is
extremely
less
applicable
than
the
code
that
the
attorney
just
read.
That
should
be,
if
anything
is
at
least
guiding
in
today's
in
tonight's.
That
should
be
what
we
should
be
listening
to,
if
the,
if
nothing
is,
is
specifically
applicable.
It
should
be
that
code,
not
this
other
weird
thing
that
we
let
them
in
on
it
I
feel
like
we
were
misled
and
if
anything,
but.
C
J
Correctly,
she's
also
not
here
on
the
other
entry,
either
we're
just
giving
her
a
try,
so
I
think
that
we
should
be
able
we
should
be
applying
the
most
applicable
standards.
That
is
the
intent
of
that
standard,
regardless
of
whether
it's
for
this
specific
spot
or
not,
I
mean
if
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong,
correct.
G
O
A
D
D
O
O
I.
You
know
high
low
intensity
as
far
as
traffic
and
everything
else.
There's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
there.
Barking
dogs
could
be
one
but
there's
headlights,
there's
noise.
There's
horns.
There's
everything
adjacent
to
that
strip.
Sometimes
you
have
residential
uses,
some
of
the
mobile
home
parks,
for
example.
O
This
is
probably
going
to
sound
bad
to
you,
but
it's
less
concerned
with
use
in
specifically
listings
very
specific
uses
and
more
concerned
with
how
things
relate
to
each
other,
what
they
look
like,
where
they
are
and
how
they
they
mesh.
That's
why
we've
got
a
residence
and
an
apartment
complex
across
from
basically
an
industrial
area?
O
Okay,
that's
what
we've
got
there
so
that
has
appeared
to
coincide.
You
wouldn't
have
that
in
the
euclidean
zone,
it
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that.
That's
apparently
coincided
and
been
stable
for
some
time.
The
question
is:
would
this
fit
fit
in
and
would
that
stability
remain
and
continue
in
the
future?
That's
why
it's
a
conditional
use.
O
You
know
if
you
want
to
add
extra
conditions
because
of
an
issue
that
that
you
feel
you
know
could
mean
be
mitigated
by
conditions.
You
can
do
that.
If
you
don't,
and
you
don't
feel
this
is
compatible,
then
you
would
deny
the
conditional
use.
D
That's
a
terrific
answer:
I
actually
understood
that
that
that
made
sense
and
just
to
clarify
that
sense.
Making
just
for
me
is
that
the
very
specific
footage
buffer
requirement
that
would
be
in
the
euclidean
use,
which
says
100
feet
in
my
poor
memory.
That
would
be
would
that
be
sight
line
to
sight
line
or
edge
to
edge.
How
would
that
be
measured,
and
is
that
not
relevant
within
the
smart
code?
O
A
D
O
O
O
D
Zero
because
you
don't
get
a
measure
from
the
quarter,
forgive
me
you
don't
get
a
measure
from
the
nearest
apartment.
It's
it's
Line
to
Line
as
as
I
understand
it.
And
someone
could
please
interrupt
me,
but
what
between
our
our
Council
saying
on
the
euclidean,
if
it
was
out
on
19,
wouldn't
fly,
but
according
to
Smart
code
within
this
transect,
it
does
fly
because
it's
supposed
to
be
smart.
D
D
B
Get
weeds
right
all
right
are
we
done
with
our
our
second
grilling
of
the
staff.
I
think
the
thing
is
it
vetted
pretty?
Well,
let's
call
for
public
comments
at
this
point.
Then
any
members
of
the
public
against
that
would
like
to
speak,
seeing
none
any
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak
for
the
proposal.
B
Seeing
none
we'll
close
the
public
comment
portion
of
our
meeting.
Does
staff
have
rebuttal
or
closing
comments?
No,
does
the
applicant
have
rebuttal
or
closing
comments.
B
C
Our
attorneys
say
it
with
regard
to
non-transferable,
not
not
transferable.
C
A
contract
or
a
contract
with
a
vet
to
provide
Veterinary
Services
on
call
free
liability,
insurance,
well,
I,
think
the
internet
well,
obviously
to
maintain
liability
insurance,
which
is,
is
probably
a
given
in
that
line
of
work.
B
All
right
is
that
allows
us
to
have
board
discussion.
Then
I
I've
got
one
comment
basically,
and
one
comment
really
only
and
that's.
It
appears
to
me
that
we're
making
law
not
following
the
ordinance
that
were
given
to
work
with
in
this
case,
if,
if
we
approve
the
application-
and
that
may
be
unfortunate
but
I-
think
we're
creating
a
conditional
use
that
doesn't
exist
in
the
ordinance.
If
we
approve
this.
J
C
C
I
understand
that
so
that's
the
fun
because,
because
it's
a
fundamental
unfairness,
whether
you
have
a
piece
of
paper
that
says
I
can
do,
I
could
have
a
a
overnight
stay
because
I'm
a
vet,
but
you
can't
have
it
because
you're
not
a
bet
and
and
I'm
a
vet
I
go
to
work
from
nine
to
five
and
I'm
gone
all
night
and
I
have
somebody
else:
staff
the
place,
there's
a
fundamental
unfairness
to
it.
I
think
having
a.
C
D
B
I
mean
I
I
as
I
see
it.
What
the
ordinance
was
written
to
allow
was
was
not
a
training
facility
with
lodging.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
Veterinary
Clinic
with
lodging
which,
in
my
mind,
is
a
different
business
than
this
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
speaking
of
the
relative
merits
of
either
or
the
quietness
of
either.
It's
simply
what
the
law
that
we're
given
to
work
with
says
and
without
changing
that
law,
which
we
don't
have
the
purview
to
do.
G
H
A
O
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
see
another
option,
then
then,
to
just
consider.
What's
before
you.
P
It
appears
to
me
that
we're
all
addressing
something
that's
brand
new
to
our
community
and
creating
or
changing
the
law
has
to
start
somewhere
and
from
what
I'm
listening
to
everybody
talk
about
they're
talking
about
putting
all
these
conditions
and
I
would
wholeheartedly
agree
with
placing
conditions
on
approval,
for
example,
the
24
hours
and
they've
jumped
through
those
hoops
and
explained
and
assured
us
and
and
the
noise
they're
assuring
us
of
that.
But
I
mean
we
have
ways.
P
P
You
know
no
we're
not
a
law-making
body,
but
we
are
addressing
an
issue
that
could
have
legal
ramifications,
but
it's
beyond
us
as
well.
It
goes
to
the
Commissioners,
so
I
mean
we're
just
step
one
little
one
and.
O
I
will
step
one
I
will
give
you
another
example.
Personal
use
is
not
specified
in
your
smart
code.
For
some
reason
it
was
left
out,
so
we
put
it
under
retail.
There
are
obviously
personal
uses.
Many
many
many
personal
uses
all
over
the
city
and
in
the
smart
code
staff
brought
this
before
you
because
to
Mr
couscous
point
it
has
a
similarity.
O
Sometimes
you
know
to
start
adding
specific
uses
now
you're
becoming
euclidean
code,
so
that
so
we
use
interpretation
of
the
code
to
to
say,
hey
this.
This
has
the
characteristics
of
this.
Maybe
it
fits,
and
sometimes
we
come
up
with
no
there's
nothing.
There's
no
way
you
can
have
this
use.
You
know,
smart
goat
doesn't
allow
it
at
all.
Sometimes
that
happens,
but,
but
that
you
know
to
your
point
of
is
this
specific,
specifically
addressed
as
a
specific
use?
No,
it's
not
like
the
euclidean
code.
F
J
O
A
O
A
N
Have
a
question
for
for
Council,
if
you
would
allow
generally
in
zoning,
you
have
permitted
uses,
you
have
prohibited
uses
and
then
Scrolls
in
the
middle
are
special
uses
or
conditional
uses
in
our
code
here,
whether
it
be
the
smart
or
land
use,
are
those
specifically
defined
the
special
or
the
conditional
uses?
Are
they
bulleted?
You
know
a
through
z
of
what
the
true
definition,
the
exact
definition
of
those
uses,
whether
they
be
special
or
conditional,
are
or
aren't.
G
Right
so
you
kind
of
are
heading
in
the
right
direction,
with
with
what
you're
asking
right
in
terms
of
what
is
and
is
not
allowed,
and
that
becomes
important
when
you
look
at
the
rules
of
statutory
interpretation
which
do
apply
to
things
like
your
Land
Development
code,
you
have
the
expressionis
at
exclusial
alteris,
which
means
the
expression
of
one
is
to
the
exclusion
of
the
other.
G
So
if
you
have
something
that's
an
enumerated
list
and
then
something
that's
not
on
your
enumerated
list,
then
the
statutory
interpretation
of
that
particular
code
section
is
that
it
wasn't
meant
to
be
included
right
and
now.
Not
only
do
you
have
that
the
way
that
it's
actually
set
up
with
the
wording
that
we
read
at
the
the
beginning,
where
it
talks
about
the
veterinary
clinic,
is
actually
more
of
what
would
be
considered
an
ancillary
or
secondary
use
on
the
property
right,
so
the
in
in
the
transect
zone.
G
What
it's
saying
is
not
that
it's
it.
It
calls
it
a
conditional
use
but
functionally
the
language
of
the
code
as
creating
it
as
a
permitted
secondary
use,
which
you
know
when
you
start
looking
that
that
can
be
worded
different
ways
in
different
codes.
So
the
conditional
use
is
the
condition
is
that
the
primary
use
of
the
property
is
supposed
to
be
a
Veterinary
Clinic
to
allow,
then
the
secondary
use
of
the
boarding
and
kenneling
is
is,
but
it
I'm
not
familiar
enough
with
how
they
have
the
smart
codes
set
up.
G
I've
been
kind
of
like
looking
through
it
here
to
see
if
I
could
identify
what
you
were
talking
about,
where
it
lists
those
specific
areas
of
the
Land
Development
code.
That
would
and
would
not
apply.
What
I
did
find
was
a
section
at
the
beginning
which
says,
if
it's
not
addressed
and
not
contrary
to
the
smart
code,
that
the
other
portions
of
the
Land
Development
code
would
apply,
and
that's
at
the
very
beginning
of
your
smart
code
and
appendix
fee.
N
And
and
just
to
follow
up
with
that
briefly,
would
we
as
a
body,
then,
if
there's
any
gray
area
due
to
lack
of
definition
or
or
personal
interpretation
or
such,
would
we
be
able
to
form
that
opinion
and
yet
not
be
legislating
and
strictly
defining
for
future
use?
G
That
all
depends
on
what
the
gray
area
is,
because
if
it's
a
true
gray
area,
where
it's
not
going
to
go
against
the
plain
language
of
the
code,
then
I
could
see
something
like
what
you're
describing
being
applicable.
But
where
you
have
plain
language,
then
it
becomes
a
little
bit
more
problematic.
Because
then
it's
a
question
of
whether
you're
following
the
code
or
not
following
the
code.
C
G
D
But
I'll
repeat
your
words
if
I
may
is
that,
if
it
is
undefined,
then
it
defaults
to
that
which
is
defined
I.E,
since
our
smart
code
doesn't
specifically
Define
this
and
as
Council
pointed
out
that
it's
an
ancillary
use,
then
it
defaults
to
the
euclidean,
which
is
more
specific,
not
to
put
words
in
I'm,
not,
but
that's
how
I
understood
what
I
was
hearing
as
the
chain
of
logic
as
to
what
is
and
what
is
not
allowed.
That.
D
D
J
P
J
Pat
you
emailed
us
today
that
you
had
just
sent
out
the
training
material
again
and
I,
remember
very
specifically
from
the
training
and
through
your
instructions
about
quasi-judicial
I
mean
if
you
can
take
anything
from
anything
training.
If
it's
one
thing
it
is,
that
is
just
not
our
job.
It
is
not
our
job
to
make
law
I
mean
that
is
the
most
clearest
thing
you
can
take
from
that
training.
Video
well.
B
B
There
is
no,
if
ands
or
buts,
about
that,
and
that's
why
we
had
the
the
brainstorming
session
or
the
workshop
and
that's
why
we've
been
working
with
the
boc
and
with
the
staff
closely
to
to
plug
holes
and
and
fix
things
that
don't
exist
and
all
that.
But
that's
the
process
we
go
through
to
do
that.
Not
legislating
from
from
this
venue.
G
You
do
have
a
little
leeway
in
that
regard
because
you
are
not
the
final
decision
and
and
that
you
know
your
decision
isn't
in
and
of
itself
appealable.
It's
the
decision
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
that's
appealable,.
C
They
tend
to
go
where
and
I
understand
your
arguments,
but
but
when
when
to
me
when
something
is
void
of
an
answer,
a
void
of
a
so
you
know,
do
you
do
you
look
at
the
the
light
in
favor
of
the
applicant?
If
it's
not
addressed
okay
and
one
of
the
things
that
in
law,
if
I
draft
something
typically
and
I'm,
not
clear
in
my
drafting,
then
it's
viewed
in
the
light
most
favorable
to
the
other
side
because
I'm
the
draft
for
the
document.
C
So
if
the?
If
this,
if
the
code
is
void
of
this
particular
use
in
my
opinion-
and
then
you
correct
me-
I'm
sure,
you'll
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
do
we
look
at
it
in
the
light
the
most
favorable
to
the
applicant,
because
it's
not
a
conditional
use,
it's
not
and
I
know
going
back
to
what
Mr
vest.
He
said.
I
understand
that.
But
it's
not
a
conditional
use.
C
It's
not
a
permitted
use,
it's
not
a
prohibited
use,
so
we
default
to
the
denial,
okay
and
and
I,
and-
and
so
that's
the
the
onus
should
not
fall
on
the
applicant.
The
owners
should
fall
on
the
drafters
of
the
ordinances,
because
that
was
not
addressed
and
I'm
telling
you
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm
sure
you
will
but.
G
So
that's
how
what
you're
saying
is
accurate
in
other
areas
of
law,
but
when
it
comes
to
Municipal
law
that
doesn't
apply
the
same
way,
because
you
are
the
regulatory
body
and
you
are
in
charge
of
the
health
safety
welfare.
G
The
the
the
onus
is.
Actually
the
burden
of
proof
is
on
the
applicant
to
prove
that
they're
entitled
to
what
they
are
asking
for.
So
they
do
at
the
applicants
for
these,
whether
it's
a
rezoning,
whether
it's
an
application
of
this
type
for
conditional
use,
they
do
bear
the
burden
of
proof
of
demonstrating
for
you
and
the
Board
of
Commissioners
that
they
meet
the
code
and.
A
C
I
I
think
I
photo
belly
disagree
because
there's
nothing
in
voice.
It's
kind
of
way
of
of
that.
You
know
there
could
be
an
argument
if
it
was
a
conditional
use
that
they
met
the
conditions,
and
we
could
argue
that
they
don't
if
it's
a
prohibited
use,
they
wouldn't
even
it
wouldn't
even
have
to
be
addressed
because
it's
prohibited.
A
E
J
Because
we're
advisory
so
because
we
don't
because
we
default
the
way
that
we're
supposed
to
it
doesn't
stop
them.
They're
still
going
to
go
in
front
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
They
are
the
ones
that
get
to
make
that
decision
of.
Do
they
get
the
benefit
of
the
the
rules.
Don't
apply,
that
is
their
decision.
J
C
O
M
G
F
G
If
it
predated
the
smart
code,
that
could
mean
that
it
was
either
an
allowable
use
under
the
euclidean
zoning
of
what
was
previously
there
before
they
did
the
smart
code
overlay
or
it
could
be
that
it
just
was
grandfathered
in
as
an
existing
use
when
they
adopted
the
smart
code.
So
it
was
either
permitted
under
the
previous
code
or
grandfathered
in
one
of
those
two
I
would
imagine,
might
might
be
where
it
is.
But
if
it
was
approved
under
the
smart
code,
it
sounds
like
it
would
have
been
approved
under
the
personal
personal
services.
B
If
there's
no
no
further
board
comments,
can
we
call
the
question.
G
H
E
F
D
D
B
B
B
O
Yes,
yes,
this
is
amending
article
17,
the
public
art
program.
Basically,
what
we
have
here
is
an
overhaul
of
the
public
art
ordinance,
so,
basically,
an
update.
A
lot
of
term
updates
and
agency
name
updates
things
like
that
clarifications,
procedural
updates
that
the
public
art
committee
wanted
to
do.
As
you
can
see
on
your
memo,
they
held
a
workshop
and
then
they
had
three
more
regular
meetings
at
which
they
discussed
this
ordinance.
O
So
they've
been
through
a
lot
with
us
already
since
this
starting
this
summer,
and
the
GRC
saw
this
on
November,
17th
and
I
won't
go
through
the
ordinance.
There
are
probably
like
I
said
lots
of
clarifications.
Procedural,
a
couple
of
the
highlights
would
be
on
page
four
of
the
actual
ordinance.
O
We
have
some
addition
as
to
what
that
committee
presents
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
every
year
for
their
annual
report,
they've
updated
their
structure
for
their
public
art
juries,
probably
the
more
other
substantial
area
would
be
section
296,
where
the
developers
regard
to
do
public
order
or
pay
a
fee
which
you
all
are
familiar
with.
The
proposal
is
to
raise
the
fee
payment.
If
that's
the
option.
The
developer
chooses
from
three
quarters
of
a
percent
to
a
full
one
percent
of
the
cost
of
the
development.
O
That's
probably
most
of
the
substantial
changes.
Miss
Joan
Jennings
is
here
she's
the
chair
of
the
public
art
committee.
Today,
if
you
want
to
heard
you
talk
about
it
or
have
questions
for
her
and
and
what
they
were
looking.
G
For
and
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may,
you
are
required
by
law
to
read
the
title
of
the
ordinance
before
consideration
of
of
the
ordinance.
So
before
you
take
testimony
and
and
public
comments
and
anything
like
that,
I
would
like
to
read
the
title
of
the
ordinance
into
the
record:
okay,
like
this
attorney
ordinance,
2023-01,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
amending
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
code
of
ordinances,
appendix
a
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code.
Article.
G
717
public
art
program
providing
for
severability
providing
for
inclusion
in
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
One
thing
too,
for
the
board's
consideration
is
that
there
is
not
a
section
there's
a
section
here
in
your
title
that
says
providing
for
inclusion
of
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
and
there
is
not
a
corresponding
sex
section
to
that
in
the
text,
but
you
do
have
a
section
2.
G
That
is
not
accounted
for
in
the
title
that
reads:
if
any
provision
of
this
ordinance
or
its
application
to
any
person
or
circumstances
is
held
invalid,
the
invalidity
does
not
affect
Provisions.
This
is
what's
known
as
a
severability
clause,
and
that
is
not
provided
for
in
the
title
of
your
ordinance
and
I.
Do
not
believe
that
this
was
advertised
yet.
Is
that
correct?
It's.
G
Q
C
I
might
I
do
if
you,
if
you
look
on
page
two
I
think
it's
140
or
14
I
think
it's
14.
A
C
Q
Q
Section
sounds
like
it
deals
more
with
actual
pieces
of
art
like
sculptures
and
everything,
but.
C
You
understand
my
concerns,
sure
you
know
you
know.
If
you
wanted
something
of
Beauty
in
the
form
of
landscape,
you
don't
take
care
of
it.
Then
it's
just
turn
into
a
bunch
of
weeds.
O
There
is
a
section
page,
11
section,
302
302,.
C
O
C
If
I
have
a
landscape,
that's
a
piece
of
art
and
I
sell
the
property.
Okay,
I
think
just.
I
C
That
condition
or
that
requirement
runs
with
a
new
property
owner,
I
guess
I
Look
to
council
for
that
additional
language,
but
but
that
kind
of
ensures
that
that
a
change
of
title
doesn't
avoid
the
owner's
obligation
to
maintain
it.
Q
Well,
302
say
about
two-thirds
of
the
way
down
if
the
title
is
passed
to
a
subsequent
owner.
As
a
result,
the
deed
restriction
exists
as
to
the
artwork.
The
subsequent
owner
shall
maintain
the
artwork
in
accordance
to
the
applicable
law
and
other
established
guidelines.
Okay,
does
that
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
Q
It's
it's
a
very
it's
probably
something
that
rarely
going
to
be
done,
and
you
have
to
remember
that
all
of
this
has
to
be
approved
by
the
committee.
O
O
Yeah
well
one
more
section
just
to
add
to
the
conversation
we
do
have
for
the
private
development
section:
296
b1b,
if
it's
located
on
private
property
other
than
the
development
site,
maintenance,
Covenant
that
runs
with
the
land.
So
there
are
some
other
Provisions
in
here.
B
Question
is
from
somebody
who's
not
so
involved
in
the
in
like
the
covenants
on
a
piece
of
property,
but
if,
if
someone
else
goes
to
buy
this
property,
that
has
has
this,
whether
it's
art
or
whether
it's,
whether
it's
landscape
or
whether
it's
something
that
somewhere
in
between
is
there
actually
something
that
comes
up
when
you
do
a
title
report
and
get
your
title
insurance.
That
would
so
that
the
buyer
is
definitely
notified,
that
they
are
that
they
have
to
do
that.
G
Typically,
what
you
would
want
to
do
is
record
something
in
the
or
broken
records.
That's
a
cup
that
is
essentially
what
you're
asking
for
a
covenant
running
with
the
land
that
would
come
up
with
a
title
search.
You
know
that
has
all
the
information
on
the
property,
including
the
parcel
number
and
and
and
that
this
is
a
very
specific
improved
property
and
what
the
restrictions
are.
C
Because
I
it
becomes
the
policing
issue
right,
okay
and
you
may
not
be
you
know,
involved
in
public
art
10
years
from
now,
okay
and
and
so
the
Covenant.
You
know
going
back
and
trying
to
find
the
ordinance
on
this
and
it
becomes
difficult
because
people
are
going
to.
C
G
Q
D
G
Because
I
for
several
years
now
had
been
working
with
Indian
Shores
on
a
public
art
project
and
we
had
a
designer
we
had.
G
You
know
the
actual
artist
himself,
you
know,
and
all
the
construction
contractors
and
I
actually
had
them
specifically
hire
a
patent
and
copyright
lawyer
to
handle
the
issues.
That's
a
very
specialized
area
of
practice.
Right
now.
G
This
just
says
that
copyright
shall
be
negotiated,
but
then
there's
other
things
in
this
particular
section
that
talk
about
incidences
of
ownership
and
title
to
the
work,
which
has
specific
legal
ramifications
that
you
might
want
to
make
sure
are
clear
in
this
particular
section:
I'm,
not
particularly
qualified,
to
give
you
an
opinion
on
any
type
of
copyright
or
patent
work.
That
would
be
something
that
would
have
to
come
from
an
attorney
that
specializes
in
that.
B
C
Any
landscape
art
that
there
would
be
a
requirement
that
that
the
landscape
art
condition
to
maintain
that
would
run
with
the
land
and
and
and
to
the
extent
somebody
wants
to
offer
landscape
art.
The
city
will
prepare
a
covenant
of
Maintenance
that
will
be
in
recordable
form
that
will
be
filed
in
the
public
record.
C
One
number:
two
What
that
the
ownership
of
the
artwork
that
the
recommendations
that
staff
look
at
or
or
have
counsel,
look
at
or
defer
to
a
copyright
or
patent
attorney
to
determine
what
proper
language
should
be
included
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
run
a
foul
of
any
copper
copyright,
infringement,
infringement
or
transfer
of
copyright
rights
or
patent
rights
to
the
city.
D
B
O
G
You
want
this
title.
Yes,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
read
the
title:
ordinance
2023-02,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
amending
section
216.00
of
article
12
of
appendix
a
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code
to
reinstate
the
requirement
for
calculation
of
the
application
fee
based
on
land
valuation,
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
O
All
right
this
is
this
ordinance
has
to
do
with
your
section
of
your
code
for
vacation
of
Rights
of
way,
easements
plats,
those
sorts
of
things
in
2016.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
made
a
change
to
this
section
of
code.
O
O
The
board
recently
directed
that
the
ordinance
be
revised
again
to
bring
back
valuation
of
property
being
vacated.
So
this
ordinance
was
drafted
by
your
previous
City
attorney.
I
will
say
that
the
ordinance
basically
replaces
the
language
word
for
word.
That
was
previously
in
the
code
that
that
was
taken
out
in
2016.,
sorry
2019..
O
So
so
a
couple
more
things
there
I'm
just
explaining
how
we
calculated
valuation,
because,
of
course
the
property
appraiser
does
not
place
value
on
public
right
of
way
and
then
kind
of
a
little
history
of
what
what
happened
in
2019.
How
this
came
up.
So
we
would
recommend
that
you
look
at
it
and
give
the
board
your
recommendation.
D
I
got
a
couple,
so
Pat
would
a
vacationer
right
away
be
similar
to
or
exactly
like,
the
most
recent
vacation
or
right
away
that
we
saw
in
regards
to
a
multi-family
development
adjacent
to
the
Rose
Cemetery.
O
Was
a
single
family
development?
You
saw
that
one
you
saw
one
I
think
more
recently
for
casual
way.
That
was
a
a
single
lot.
Yeah.
D
D
They're
unused,
maybe
they're
overgrown,
they
share
a
couple,
adjacent
lots
and
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
practical
use
and,
and
then
one
person
or
one
party
thinks
hey.
We
can
do
something
better
with
this
and
they
ask
the
city:
hey.
Will
you
vacate
your
rights
and
let
us
have
that
and
we'll
use
it
in
a
different
way?
Okay,
so
back
and
it
actually.
This
will
all
make
sense
in
a
second.
D
D
Okay
and
the
idea
was
maybe
when
we
brought
that
up,
was
that
perhaps
the
city
was
giving
away
valuable
property
to
a
private
party
because
they.
D
In
the
Rose
Cemetery,
it
was
like
a
thousand
feet
long
and
15
feet
wide
and
we
were
given
away
approximately
three
lots
that
might
have
had
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
value,
because
a
developer
asked-
and
we
more
or
less
said
yes.
So
would
this
as
written
make
the
party
that
asks
pay?
Does
it
say
50,
so
they
would
pay
50
percent
of
fair
market
value
to
to
acquire
that
vacation.
D
A
C
Okay,
you
know
I've
dealt
with
vacations
before
and
the
difficulty
when
you
say
appraised
value
is
how
do
you
appraise
a
small
strip
of
land
you,
you
can't
find
an
appraiser
who
can,
unless
they
do
it
by
the
square
foot,
but
it's
hard
to
get
a
competent
I
want
to
say
competition,
a
fair
value
based
on
what
the
what
you're
trying
with
the
right
away
or
the
vacation
is,
is
trying
to
accomplish
that.
C
I,
don't
know
if
that,
if
I
make
sense,
when
I
say
that
you
know
sometimes
it's
easy,
but
but
I
don't
know
the
word
appraised
value
in
and
of
itself.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
different
language
that
we
would
look
at
or
just
value
or
something
that's
not
even
a
good,
a
good
way
of
doing
it.
But
if
you
have
an
alley
between
two
properties
and
they
want
to
get
it
vacated
and
you
have
to
go
through
the
vacation
process,
how
do
you?
C
How
do
you
value
you
know
15-foot
strip
of
property,
100,
foot,
long
or
50
foot
long?
How
do
you
appraise
that
you
can't
appraisals
are
done,
are
done
by
looking
at
comparables
comparables?
Okay,
how
do
you
find
comparables
and
that's
and
so
I
don't
know,
and
maybe
they
do
it
by
the
foot?
I
I,
don't
know
how
that's
done,
but
but
you
know,
when
you
say,
appraised
value
is
and
I
don't
know.
Maybe
Council
has
I'm
not
throwing
you.
You
know,
keep
asking.
O
O
Now
the
applicant
can
only
vacate
what's
in
front
of
their
land
that
can
vacate
somebody
next
door,
so
we
would
use
that
value
the
value
across
the
street
average
them
come
up
with
a
value
per
square
foot,
and
this
is
assessed
value,
not
just
value,
and
then
we
would
apply
it
to
the
road.
That
is
how
we
did
it
before,
because,
as
I
said,
this
is
public
right
away.
This
is
not
City
owned
right-of-way.
This
is
public
dedicated
right
away.
Property
appraiser
does
not
put
a
value
on
that.
So,
like
you
said,
you'd
have
to.
O
O
P
Mean
Trisha
I
have
a
question:
if
I
can
on
the
there's
a
memorandum
in
here
about
the
change
in
it
says
the
board,
I
guess,
meaning
I
guess,
meaning
us
may
want
to
discuss
the
potential
for
exempting
affordable
housing
projects
from
the
fee
requirement.
O
O
P
The
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
if
a
developer
is
going
to
build
a
a
development,
some
of
that
may
be
Section
8,
some
of
it
not
but
Section
8
just
means
that
the
that
the
rent
is
going
to
be
a
portion
of
the
rent,
sometimes
a
little
bit.
Sometimes
a
lot
of
it
will
be
paid
federally.
P
O
Right
well,
the
city
has
the
definition
of
what
affordable
housing
is
it's
defined
by
the
no
we're
not
talking
the
income,
it's
not
defined
by
section
A.
O
B
Okay
but
I
mean
it
sounds
to
me
like
we're
sort
of
giving
them
a
break
anyways,
because
it's
50
of
the
usually
of
the
value
and
it's
based
on
the
value
of
the
property
appraiser,
which
we
all
know,
we
wouldn't
sell
our
houses
for
what
they
say.
The
value
of
our
houses
is
I,
wouldn't
sell
any
other
properties
I
own
for
what
that
says,
because
it's
always
way
way
low.
C
G
The
the
reason
it's
actually
50
is
because
when
you
are
vacating
a
roadway
or
a
right-of-way,
when
a
city
vacates
it
half
goes
to
the
adjacent
property
here
and
then
half
goes
to
the
adjacent
property
on
the
other
side.
So,
under
this
particular
formula,
you're
only
making
one
of
the
two
people
who's
going
to
benefit
from
receiving
that
property
pay
for
it
and
it's
the
person
who
asks
to
vacate
it
whether
it's
a
developer,
a
private
property
owner.
Whatever.
I
G
Is
it's
because
they
don't
get
the
full
portion
of
the
vacation?
They
only
get
their
underlying
half
the
this
particular
provision.
You
said
this
is
the
what
was
in
there
before
is
actually
internally
inconsistent,
specifically
because
of
what
the
chairman
pointed
out.
The
fact
that
it
says
that
it's
less
that
it's
talking
about
using
the
fair
market
value
and
then
it
talks
about
the
property
appraiser.
C
G
Have
never
done
that,
but
I
also
have
not
worked
with
a
community
that
has
a
provision
to
pay
for
vacation
of
right-of-way,
because
that's
really
not
the
standard.
The
standard
for
a
vacation
of
right-of-way
is
that
it
no
longer
serves
a
municipal
purpose.
A
G
When
you're
giving
away
Municipal
property
whatever
it
is,
whether
it's
land,
whether
it's
assets,
cars,
whatever
the
standard
that
you're
using,
is
that
it
no
longer
is
a
value
to
the
city
or
to
the
public.
And
so,
if
it's
no
longer
a
value
to
the
city
or
the
public,
you
can
either
auction
It
Off
so
sell
it
to
the
highest
Center
or
you
can
vacate
it
and
give
it
away
to
whoever's.
Whoever
is
closest,
which
is
what
typically
happens
with
either
alleys
or
streets.
H
C
D
O
I've,
given
you
reached
the
latest
copy
of
the
2023
schedule,
that's
updated
as
as
Judy
gets.
You
know
more
specifics,
but
that
gives
you
the
dates
for
all
the
boards.
As
you
know,
our
commissioner
elect
coulianos
resigned
from
the
sport,
so
we
do
have
a
vacancy.
If
you
know
anybody
that
would
like
to
serve
on
the
board,
that's
it
for
staff.
C
You
know
I.
First
of
all,
I
apologize
I
was
sick.
At
the
last
meeting
and
I
kind
of
watched,
the
the
board
there
was
a
I
guess.
There
was
a
project
that
a
developer
come
in,
that
this
board
had
passed.
I
I
think
the
vote
was
five
to
one
and
then,
when
it
went
back
in
front
of
the
commission,
they
turned
it
down.
C
It
took
four
to
one
and
the
discussion
at
the
commission
level,
which
you
know
I
wish
Renee
was
here,
was
sort
of
glossed
over
with
regard
to
density
and
and
what
I
remember
watching
the
project
or
listening
to
the
argument
is.
C
That
was
not
an
issue
with
this
board
because
it
wasn't
pointed
out
to
this
board:
okay
as
dead
City
being
changed,
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
remember
that
particular
project
and
where
they
went
from
one
and
a
half
one
unit
for
one
and
a
half
acres,
or
something
like
that
until
where
the
developer
sort
of
boxed
everything
in
to
to
real,
smaller,
Lots
and
and
and
so
I
guess
this
is.
This
is
a
more
of
a
a
message
to
staff
that
I
think
those
types
of
issues.
C
Coming
in
front
of
us,
because
it
makes
us
really
not
look,
look
good
if
we
vote
five
to
one
to
pass
something,
but
the
commission
gets
different
information
because
they
ask
different
questions
to
staff.
That
staff
did
not
I
would
say
glossed
over.
That's
why
I
kind
of
wish
Renee
was
here
because
I
didn't
see
that
being
a
material
in
the
presentation
and
maybe
I'm
wrong.
C
Maybe
I
looked
at
it
wrong,
but
that's
that's
what
I
saw
and-
and
you
know
we
want
to
Be
an
Effective
board
in
in
you
know
the
same
thing
that
happened
on
a
couple
other
projects
where
we
voted
something
down.
City
approves
it
overwhelmingly
and
it's
not
even
an
argument
where
it's
50,
50.
and
and
so
I-
think
for
us
this
board
to
have
credibility.
I
think
staff
has
to
be
more
forthcoming
on
on
on
these
types
of
issues
and-
and
you
know
maybe
I'm
opening
up
a
Pandora's
box.
C
But
but
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
don't
have
any
comments.
B
Yeah
that
one
same
case
brought
up
some
some
thoughts
for
me
after
the
fact,
I
think
I
think
the
justification
for
it
was
a
case
of
of
density,
averaging
I
believe
if
I'm,
correct
and-
and
my
thought
really
was,
if
in
cases
like
that,
we
don't
want
to
see
density.
A
B
Averaging
or
the
the
city
as
a
whole
doesn't
want
to
see
density
averaging
be
allowed,
then
maybe
there's
another
change
that
we
we
need
to
be
looking
at,
recommending
to
the
VOC
related
to
the
code
in
that
effect,
because
I,
don't
think
we're
doing
a
developer,
a
favor
to
lead
them
to
believe
that
they
can
do
that
and
then
not
let
them
do
that.
Also.
O
Well,
that
that
was
a
tough
one,
because
we
knew
we
were
going
to
have
public.
We
knew
that
we
were
going
to
have
an
applicant
presentation.
We
limited
the
presentation
time,
so
we
had
a
15-page
staff
report.
I
encourage
you
all.
If
you
remember
by
email,
to
carefully
read
that
staff
report
I
had
the
PowerPoint
with
the
the
references
to
the
pages
because
I
we
and
we
had
a
whole
history
of
the
property
with
the
the
land
use
change
from
County
to
City.
I
know
it's
something
you
all
didn't
really
ask
about
that.
O
Much
we'll
keep
working
on
trying
to
refine
what
we're
really
trying
to
hammer
home
and
and
and
emphasize
for
you
again,
it's
like
these
large
projects,
like
you're,
saying,
there's
a
lot
of
information
there.
The
board
asked
you
know
that
everything
be
included
in
the
pack
and
now
remember
we
didn't
used
to
do
that.
That's
why
it
was
a
500
page
packet.
It's
a
lot
for
you
all
to
to
digest.
O
We
will
make
every
effort
to
try
to
try
to
keep
that
staff
report
and
have
you
know
the
PowerPoint?
It's
it's
something
that
we
do
just
just
to
try
to
help.
It's
not
really
the
main
thing,
and-
and
we
will
try
to
to
keep
highlighting
and
emphasizing
those
types
of
things
we
get
it.
It's
just
a
lot
of
materials.
C
And
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I
would
read
a
500
page
document,
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
but
but
critical
and-
and
you
know,
critical
issues
with
regard
to
I-
think
you
know
our
comprehensive
plan,
the
vision
that
we
want
to
see.
You
know
that
we
have
sort
of
talked
about
and
I
think
the
commission
has
talked
about.
Those
are
the
those
are.
The
bullet
points,
I
think
are
more
critical.
Okay,.
O
A
C
A
A
J
J
J
O
H
B
I
I
didn't
have
a
problem
really
with
the
information
that
was
provided.
I,
don't
think,
is
as
much
as
I
I
have
some
questions,
I
guess
about
how
the
density
averaging
should
work
and
and
I
think
perhaps
there's
some
things
that
should
be
different
about
it
related
to.
If
there's,
if
there's
wetlands
and
things
like
that,
should
that
really
be
allowed
to
be
included
in
the
acreage
that
the
density
is
averaged
on
and
and
I'm
thinking?
Maybe
the
the
general
consensus
may
be
that
that
shouldn't
in
the
future,
perhaps
but
obviously
that's
beyond
our
purview.
O
But
it's
a
discussion
item
and
Regina
will
tell
you
that
that
you
know
it's
in
County
Wide
and
it's
in
ours
as
a
way
to
not
deprive
all
use
of
property.
So
at
that
point
yeah
when
you're,
looking
at
your
code
in
your
comp
plan
and
we're
coming
up
with
comp
plan,
we'll
address
wetlands
in
the
coastal
element
in
the
future
land
use-
and
you
know
your
attorneys-
will
advise
you.
How
can
can
you
limit
or
reduce
or
prohibit
use
of
density
and
still
give
some
beneficial
use
of
the
wetlands?
O
You
know
we'll
be
glad
to
walk
you
through
something.
If,
if
you
want
to
develop
that
kind
of
legislation,
you.
D
If
I
may
continue
to
comment,
forgive
me,
but
the
Segway
is
irresistible
it's.
So
you
may
not
know
this
unless
you
drive
south,
because
I
live
on
the
south
edge
of
town.
If
there
were
railroad
tracks,
I'd
live
on
them,
but
I,
don't
so
I
live
on
the
south
Edge
and
currently
in
was
just
passed,
was
a
variance
for
parking
related
to
a
80.
D
It's
not
82
Acres,
but
it
has
a
variance
density
issue.
So
just
south
of
our
Golf
Course
is
a
very
large
Wetland
that
I
happen
to
live
adjacent
to
and
that
Wetland
is
County
and
several
years
ago,
right
several
years
ago,
the
owner
of
that
did
a
density
averaging
to
be
able
to
jam
and
propose
a
seven
story.
D
This
is
going
on
right,
underneath
our
nose
and
the
citizens
of
carpet
Springs,
and
this
board
has
absolutely
nothing
to
say
about
it
and
it's
bizarre
and
and
I'm
going
to
go
on
just
for
a
second,
even
though
the
young
lady
needs
to
go
home,
which
is
right
within
our
area
right
within
what
we
would
consider
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
right
at
the
heart
of
the
Southern
Gateway
of
our
city,
the
county
is
making
a
determination
of
Mammoth
impact.
That
most
of
us,
don't
even
know,
is
going
on.
D
I
didn't
even
know
until
one
of
my
neighbors
brought
the
piece
of
paper
over
and
I
wasn't
going
to
bring
it
up
tonight.
Until
someone
gave
me
the
Segway
now
there
is
nothing
we
can
do
about
it
today,
not
a
thing
other
than
Pinellas
County
is
controlling
a
development
that
is
going
to
have
far
more
impact
on
day-to-day
citizens.
D
The
county
has
an
enclave
within
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
it's
kind
of
a
weird
little
outlay,
and
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it,
please
familiarize
yourself
with
it.
Is
that
there
are
these
unique
little
County
Properties
right
at
our
Southern
gate,
that
the
county
has
jurisdiction
on
and
frankly,
they
could
care
less.
It's
a
junk
land
down.
There
I
happen
to
live
there.
Now,
that's
my
opinion,
but
this
ties
back
to
annexation.
D
We
bother
ourselves
and
we
let
these
annexations
out
here,
go
on,
but
we're
not
using
that
tool
wisely,
because
if
there
was
ever
anything
to
be
annexed
into
the
city,
it
would
be
tightening
up
that
southern
border
and
taking
full
control
of
our
Southern
Gateway
so
that
we
can
clean
up
and
then
have
a
say
over
a
seven-story
tower
that
they
just
got
approved,
of
variance
for
one
parking
place
per
unit
and
can
add
how
knows
how
many
more
we're
already
full.
So
it
doesn't
help
anymore,
so
that
this
is
just
purely
a
comment.
D
If
you're
not
familiar
with
it,
let's
look
at
it.
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
about
it.
The
chair
has
brought
up
a
great
point
about
the
perhaps
bad
math
of
density
averaging
and
then
I'll
add
to
it
the
bad
bad
policy
we
have
in
regards
to
annexation
and
the
the
county
Enclave
that
they
have
right
there
and
maybe
in
the
next
year
or
two
we
might
be
able
to
make
some
Headway
in
regards
to
those,
because
my
comment
I
wasn't
going
to
give.