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C
You
know
that
that
workshop
that
we
had
the
other
night,
that
was
I
mean
we
didn't
get.
Maybe
everything
everybody
wanted
out
of
that
wow
that
was
yeah,
we
did
we
didn't
get
off
into
the
weeds.
That's
I
was
afraid
that
that
happens.
Sometimes
no
weaves
out
there
a
little
bit
of
work,
all
right.
D
Call
to
order
the
may
16th
meeting
of
the
tarpon
springs
planning
and
zoning
board.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please.
D
F
B
D
Okay,
before
we
go
into
the
approval
of
the
minutes,
I
have
a
a
a
small
item.
I'd
like
to
insert
here,
it's
just
the.
I
think
the
commission
would
like
to
change
item
seven
and
item
eight
in
position,
so
that
we
can
hear
item
seven
is,
is
the
last
item
if,
if
the
commission's,
or
the
board's
in
agreement
on
that,
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second
yeah.
G
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
to
swap
them.
I
think,
for
time
purposes:
I'd
hate
to
have
the
item
number
eight.
The
people
here
wait
till
the
end
of
because
seven's
gonna
be,
I
suspect,
lengthy
yeah.
Second,.
E
D
E
D
Yes,
all
right
now
we're
on
to
item
number
two
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
the
minutes
from
december
13th
of
2021.
Can
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes?
I.
H
B
And
just
interject,
I
think,
we'll
be
catching
up
on
the
rest
of
the
minutes
at
your
next
meeting.
We're
a
little
bit
behind
so
you'll
have
probably
three
or
four
to
do
with
the
next
meeting.
F
B
D
H
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
H
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
H
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
that
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
board
wishing
to
disclose
any
ex
parte
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest
this
evening
on
any
of
the
applications.
H
D
D
I
I
The
applicants
are
here
today
seeking
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
commercial
recreation
use
on
the
property.
The
property
is
just
over
half
an
acre
in
size.
The
current
land
use
is
crd
community
redevelopment
district
and
it's
located
within
the
t5d
transact
zone
of
the
smart
code,
again
they're
looking
to
get
approval
for
commercial
recreation
use
specifically
guided
kayak
tours
commercial
recreation
is
not
a
specific
use
identified
in
the
smart
code.
It
is
similar
to
retail
uses
which
are
permitted
within
the
t5d
zone.
I
However,
staff
with
an
abundance
of
caution,
wanted
to
run
this
through
the
conditional
use
process
to
identify
any
potential
issues
the
applicant
has
provided
in
the
application
backup
materials,
a
detailed
business
proposal,
as
well
as
a
detailed
site
improvements
plan,
but
they
are
going
to
be
offering
guided
kayak
tours
on
the
anclote
river
they're,
initially
looking
to
have
three
tours
per
day.
That
will
have
a
maximum
of
10
people
per
tour.
I
The
kayak
launch
will
only
be
utilized
for
their
customers
participating
in
the
guided
tours
and
will
not
be
available
to
the
general
public.
They
are
proposing
very
minimal
site
improvements,
just
basic
site
cleanups.
Some
additional
landscaping,
as
well
as
installation
of
wheel,
stops
to
have
some
more
formalized
parking
on
the
existing
hard
surface.
I
I
Access
will
be
retained
from
alt,
19
or
north
canals
avenue
here.
The
kayak
launch
is
proposed
at
the
northern
point
of
the
property
the
kayaks
will
be
stored
in
this
general
area
and
they'll
provide
in
parking
again
on
the
existing
hard
surface
along
the
street
frontage,
as
well
as
the
southern
property
line.
I
I
Again,
this
property
is
located
in
the
city's
special
area
plan.
Specifically
it's
within
the
sponge
docs
character
district.
The
primary
intent
of
that
district
is
to
be
comprised
of
tourist
oriented
commercial
businesses,
restaurants
and
industrial
waterfront
uses
the
character
district
is
intended
to
continue
to
support
the
working
waterfront
as
well
as
the
tourist
trade
in
the
yellow
area.
Is
the
entire
sponge
docks
character
district
further
south
of
the
site?
You
have
the
north
pinellas
avenue
district
and
the
uptown
district.
I
Any
future
improvements
would
require
to
meet
the
standards
of
smart
code,
as
well
as
the
florida
building
code,
if
applicable,
the
property
is
located
within
the
sponge
docs
character
district,
which
is
primarily
comprised
of
tourist
oriented
commercial
uses
that
support
the
working
waterfront.
The
proposed
use
serves
as
both
a
local
and
tourist
attraction,
therefore
supporting
the
overall
intent
of
that
district.
I
I
The
use
is
temporary
in
nature
and
not
expected
to
have
any
adverse
impacts
and
the
site
is
not
located
in
the
historic
district.
The
site
sits
significantly
lower
than
alt
19,
so
there
is
a
natural
buffer
from
the
road
down
to
the
property,
and
it's
also
buffered
to
the
north
and
east
by
the
anclote
river.
The
proposed
use
is
limited
to
guided
kayak
tours
and
the
kayak
launch
will
not
be
available
to
the
general
public
and
it's
not
expected
to
adversely
impact
the
surrounding
property
values.
I
The
use
does
enhance
and
carry
out
the
intent
of
the
special
area
plan
and
the
city
does
not
expect
to
incur
any
cost
with
the
proposed
use
with
that
staff
does
provide
a
preliminary
staff
recommendation
of
approval
for
resolution.
2022-16
granting
conditional
use
approval
for
the
operation
of
a
commercial
recreation
use
in
the
t5d
district.
We
do
have
three
conditions
that
are
listed
here
on
site
are
on
the
screen.
I
The
first
is
the
kayak
launch
shall
only
be
used
for
guided
tours
and
not
available
for
the
general
public,
jet
skis
and
other
motorized
watercraft
should
not
be
permitted
in
all
applicable
state
and
county
permits
shall
be
obtained
for
access
to
the
anclote
river.
A
public
notice
was
provided
and
we
have
not
received
any
written
responses
at
this
time.
G
I
B
Name
is
austin
wood.
My
address
is
3471
pinehurst,
drive
and
holiday
to
the
utilities.
Question
there's
really
nothing.
We
need
nothing's
being
added
to
the
sites,
there'll
be
no
restrooms
or
anything
like
that.
Added,
really
the
kayaks
eight
to
12,
depending
on
tandems
and
singles,
and
really
everything
there
kind
of
goes
through
kind
of
quite
nicely.
What
we
are
planning
to
do,
there's
no
changes
at
all
other
than
improving
the
aesthetic
value
of
that
area
and
we'll
be
very
aware
of
trash
that
kind
of
blows
into
that
area.
B
G
The
only
the
only
reason
I
asked
the
number
of
kayaks
is
because
you're
so
close
to
a
navigable
turning
basin
and
stuff
like
that
and
and
seeing
dozens
of
kayaks
in
the
water
at
one
time
could
be,
could
be
impactful
to
to
the
commercial
about
traffic.
But
I
I
you
know
I
like
the
idea.
It's
just.
I
think
it's
something
that
I
think
could
blend
well
in
the
city.
K
Good
evening,
gentlemen,
peter
lack
is
514
ashland
avenue,
I'd
like
to
point
out
a
few
things
in
the
back
up
here
in
the
executive
summary,
it
says
we'll
provide
intimate,
guided
kayak
tours
on
the
anklet
river
east
of
alternate
19.,
that's
an
important
point
because
predominance
of
the
traffic
on
the
river,
as
far
as
for
boats
and
kayaks,
they
kind
of
separate
there,
the
dog
park
launches
on
the
east
side
of
that
bridge.
Also,
in
fact,
I
just
went
kayaking
this
saturday
and
we
launched
from
the
dog
park.
K
It's
a
beautiful
place
to
launch
for
the
nice
thing
about
this.
It
says
the
tours
will
focus
on
the
mangroves,
the
wildlife
that
surrounds
them
and
the
importance
of
protecting
them
and
then
on
the
sec.
Third.
Well,
that
was
on
page
three
of
the
executive
summary
on
page
four
talks
about
ecuador's
american
spends
887
billion
annually,
participating
in
outdoor
recreation,
supporting
7.6
million
american
jobs.
That's
from
the
outdoor
industry
association.
K
The
point
I'm
making
is
for
years
I've
been
coming
to
board
meetings,
not
necessarily
yours,
but
to
board
meetings,
trying
to
explain
the
value
of
ecotourism.
This
is
an
admirable
project.
Also
in
their
lower
it
says
river,
while
kayaking
will
provide
another
reason
to
visit
the
area
without
building
or
altering
the
landscape.
While
providing
the
eco-tourism
guidelines,
the
company
will
help
protect
the
environment
and
educate
its
guests
on
its
importance.
K
It
will
also
add
a
small
number
of
jobs
to
the
area
and
help
keep
the
river
clean
guides
and
guests
are
encouraged
to
collect
trash
during
their
tours.
That
was
something
I
found
the
water
was
clean.
I
saw
stingrays
green
herons
osprey.
In
fact,
I
think
I
saw
an
eagle,
but
he
was
too
high
up
to
term
and
ibis's
all
kinds
of
wildlife
there.
So
this
is
a
good
thing
to
bring
into
the
city.
It
augments
our
tourism,
and
hopefully
it
will
help
to
expand
the
ecotourism
that
we
can
offer.
K
We
already
have
a
boat
crew
that
goes
out
to
help
people
look
for
dolphins.
People
come
to
spring
bayou
for
the
manatees.
We
got
anclote
lighthouse
where
people
go
out
to
this
is
a
resource
that
we
fully
need
to
take
advantage
of.
That
helps
not
only
our
residents
but
our
tourist
industry.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
Seeing
none
do
we
have
any
people
on
on
zoom
or
or
other
or
email
communications.
D
All
right,
if
there's
no
further
public
comments,
we'll
close
public
comments.
D
Does
the
applicant
wish
to
rebut
the
public
comments
in
any
way?
D
B
B
D
E
D
Yes,
okay.
That
brings
us
to
what
was
originally
item:
eight
on
our
agenda
application
2234.,
it's
a
future
land
use
amendment
special
area
plan,
character,
district
map,
amendment
and
a
transect
zone
map,
amendment
related
to
property
located
at
100
and
108
north
ring
avenue.
Could
we
have
the
staff
report?
Please.
I
I
The
applicants
are
here
today
requesting
a
future
land
use
map
amendment,
as
well
as
a
rezoning
of
this
property.
They
are
specifically
requesting
to
incorporate
this
site
into
the
city's
special
area
plan
for
the
purpose
of
allowing
potential
mixed
use
or
short-term
lodging
within
the
existing
historic
structure
located
at
100
north
ring
avenue.
I
The
current
land
use
is
residential
urban.
The
proposed
land
use
is
community
redevelopment
district.
The
current
zoning
is
conditional
residential
mix
and
the
proposed
zoning
is
special
area
plan,
because
they're
looking
to
get
incorporated
into
the
city's
special
area
plan,
they
also
need
to
have
designations
for
this
character
district,
as
well
as
the
transect
zones.
They
are
proposing
a
downtown
character
district
and
the
t4a
transact
zone
and
I'll
break
this
down.
I
For
you
a
little
bit
clearer
as
I
go
on
looking
at
the
current
site
conditions,
there
are
two
existing
structures
on
site,
both
of
which
are
contributing
historic
structures.
The
structure
on
the
northern
portion
of
the
site
here
is
a
existing
single
family
home.
It
was
moved
to
this
location
back
in
2015,
when
the
townhomes
across
the
street
were
constructed.
I
The
structure
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
home
is
an
existing
vacant.
Two-Story
structure,
it
was
formerly
a
livery
stable.
It
is
also
again
contributing
historic
is
identified
as
delivery
stable
on
both
the
1909
and
the
1913
sanborn
maps.
Later
in
1926,
this
structure
was
used
as
a
site
of
a
hotel.
The
scotia
hotel
and
later
had
been
used
for
apartments,
and,
I
believe,
even
as
single-family
residential
again,
this
is
currently
vacant
at
this
time
and
the
applicants
are
not
proposing
any
sort
of
modifications
to
the
structures
or
changing
anything
on
the
exterior.
I
When
looking
at
the
land
use
again,
this
existing
current
land
use
is
residential
urban,
which
is
the
yellow
shown
here
on
the
screen
to
the
south
of
the
site.
There's
residential
office
general,
which
is
a
mixed-use
district
and
then
across
the
dotted
black
line.
This
is
the
special
area
plan
boundary
currently
is
the
crd
land
use.
I
I
Its
in
purpose
is
to
encourage
a
mix
of
uses,
diverse
housing
and
lodging
options,
while
focusing
on
the
redevelopment
infill
opportunities
that
are
sensitive
to
the
historic
importance
and
character
of
the
area.
The
special
area
plan
further
breaks
down
the
boundary
into
10
different
character
districts,
which
is
the
map
you
see
here
on
the
screen.
I
The
applicants
are
looking
to
go
into
the
downtown
character
district,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
site.
I've
outlined
it
here
in
red
on
the
screen.
The
property
is
approximately
here
where
the
red
star
is
located
and
the
intent
of
this
district
is
to
promote
retail
development
and
encourage
medium
density
and
mixed
use,
residential
development
to
support
the
retail
along
tarpon
avenue.
I
When
looking
at
density,
the
current
ru,
a
residential
urban
designation,
allows
a
maximum
of
seven
and
a
half
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
proposed
downtown
character
district
would
allow
up
to
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
when
looking
at
the
site,
it's
approximately
0.32
acres
in
size.
It
would
currently
be
allowed
to
have
a
maximum
of
two
units.
I
I
I
Now,
shifting
to
zoning,
this
is
your
current
zoning
map.
Currently,
the
property
is
in
the
ecrm
or
the
conditional
residential
mix
district.
The
residential
office
district
is
to
the
south
of
site
and
there
is
r
70a,
which
is
a
single
family's
district
to
the
east
of
the
site,
and
the
area
in
gray
is
the
current
boundary
of
the
special
area
plan.
I
The
smart
code
serves
as
a
special
area
plans
regulating
document,
so
it
provides
the
specific
development
standards
and
permitted
uses
for
each
of
the
transact
zones.
The
special
or
the
smart
code
promotes
a
vibrant
pedestrian
environment
as
well
as
mixed-use
development,
and
this
particular
code
further
breaks
down
the
character
districts
into
various
transact
zones.
I
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
line
by
line,
but
this
is
just
an
overview
of
this
zoning
summary
between
the
current
zoning
of
crm
and
the
proposed
transect
zone
of
t4a.
The
primary
difference
are
really
the
setbacks.
The
current
zoning
really
establishes
minimum
setbacks,
whereas
the
transact
zones
establish
maximum
setbacks,
so
there's
quite
a
difference
in
that
regulation.
However,
it's
important
to
note
those
are
both
historic
structures
and
how
they
are
currently
built
comply
with
the
proposed
transect
zone
and
they
are
currently
non-conforming
with
its
current
zoning
of
crm.
I
The
applicant
has
indicated
they
haven't
had
a
final
say
on
what
they're
exactly
going
to
do
within
the
property,
but
short-term
lodging
was
a
potential
use.
Short-Term
lodging
is
defined
as
rental
units
that
are
rented
for
periods
of
six
weeks
or
less
within
the
t4a
transact
zone.
It
does
require
conditional
use
approval
of
short-term
lodging,
so
if
they
were
to
do
that,
they
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
for
a
formal
application
and
review
process
specific
to
that
use.
I
The
city
special
area
plan
does
recognize
the
adaptive
reuse
of
historic
structures,
as
well
as
the
unique
challenges
developing
with
downtown
the
proposed
land
use,
and
zoning
change
does
allow
for
the
former
livery
structure
to
be
fully
utilized
with
the
potential
for
mixed
use,
which
does
support
the
overall
intent
of
that
special
area
plan.
And
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
G
Question
parking
yes,
parking,
it's,
I
think
I'm
familiar
with
the
property,
but
I
don't
know:
if
is
there
sufficient
access
or
ability
to
have
vehicles
parked
on
on
property
or
they
have
to
have
street
parking.
I
So,
typically,
with
properties
that
are
already
developed
a
lot
of
times,
whatever
is
existing
for
parking
can
accommodate.
Whatever
use
goes
into
the
property.
With
that
said,
if
there
are
any
sort
of
residential
units
put
into
the
property,
typically
parking
is
required.
H
H
Okay,
then,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
unless
you
find
that
there's
some
other
type
of
conflict
that
you
have
with
with
granting
the
application
or
you
find
that
you
cannot
be
impartial
or
you
have
strong
feelings
about
this
application
one
way
or
the
other,
then
I
would
not
presume
that
there's
a
conflict
of
interest.
Do
you
have
any
strong
feelings
about
this
property
one
way
or
the
other?
I.
F
H
G
D
Okay
question
for
staff
there:
this
has
nothing
to
do
at
this
point
about
adding
buildings
or
changing
the
use
of
buildings
or
or
any
of
that
right.
This
is
just
changing
the
correct
area
that
it's
in
correct
any
other
questions
for
staff.
B
Even
will
coconut
owners,
rep,
representative
livery,
stable
llc,
appreciate
ally,
doing
a
great
presentation
kind
of
summarizing
the
plan
for
the
property,
as
she
mentioned,
there's
a
108
north
ring
a
little
history
on
that
that
was
across
the
street
kind
of
where
the
town
homes
are
shown.
Now
about
six
seven
years
ago,
part
of
the
development
process.
We
had
to
relocate
that
structure
across
the
street
to
be
able
to
build
the
town
home,
so
that
was
moved
across
the
street
and
refurbished
at
that
time.
B
Currently
is
an
annual
rental
single
family
and
the
parcels
were
combined
to
allow
for
the
potential
parking,
as
you
mentioned,
and
there's
also
an
leaf
city
alley
behind
the
back
to
provide
access
into
the
back
parking
of
some
configurations
for
that.
B
Currently,
the
building
has
been
gutted
as
far
as
the
two-story
delivery
stable
to
allow
for
flexibility
on,
depending
on
this
land
use
change
and
so
forth.
It's
quite
a
process,
the
family
that
previously
had
they
were
there,
probably
about
30
years,
and
they
did
have
it
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
and
then
family
quarters,
multiple
levels
and
multiple
rooms
and
so
forth.
B
Right
now,
I
guess,
depending
on
how
this
application
goes,
you
know
basically
meyer
standing
as
a
zone.
Now
it's
just
a
single
could
be
a
single
family
home,
so
the
goal
would
be
to
provide
you
know
additional
units
up
to
the
four
units
that
could
be
accommodated
or
possibly
make
sure
you
saw
some
kind
of
commercial
on
the
first
floor,
residential,
maybe
short
term,
on
the
second
floor,
just
depending
on
the
architectural
layout
and
the
tenant
tenant
mix.
D
Seeing
none
we
can
move
to
public
comment
is:
is
there
anyone
present
who
feels
that
they
are
an
affected
party.
D
Seeing
none
we
can
open
for
general
public
comment.
If
anyone
who
wishes
to
comment
will
come
to
the
microphone
and
state
your
name
and
address
and
make
your
comments
please.
L
Good
evening
board
members
anita
produce
901
bay
shore
drive.
I
grew
up
on
the
corner
of
gross
and
orange
for
years
and
years
it
was
a
private
home.
That's
where
phil
dimas's
family
lived
for
many
many
years,
and
it
is
also
known
throughout
tarpon.
History
is
the
stable
house
and
it
I
hope,
you'll
pass
it,
because
it's
cleaning
up
the
area,
it's
beautifying
and
then
right
across
the
street.
You
have
offices
there
and
people
park
in
front
of
mr
kulianis's
office
and
across
the
street.
There's
no
problem.
L
D
Does
does
the
applicant
wish
to
make
any
rebuttal
comments
to
the
public
comments,
you're,
good,
okay,
so
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
board
for
consideration.
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second
please.
F
H
Two
resolutions
with
this
application,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
that
the
motion
be
for
each
individual
resolution.
So
if
you
wouldn't
mind
amending
your
motion
to
be
specific
to
the
resolution
as
opposed
to
the
application
as
a
whole,.
N
F
D
H
D
E
D
D
C
C
D
That's
included,
okay,
all
right.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
item
that
was
originally
item
number
seven
application
22-37
conditional
use
approval
to
allow
for
a
hotel
in
the
t4c
transect
zone
on
property
at
the
east
side
of
roosevelt
boulevard
between
cross
street
and
dodecanese,
including
a
portion
of
hill
street.
G
H
G
Completely
discretionary
more
time,
I
think
I
think
presentations
justify
more
time.
Yeah.
D
Good
good,
okay,
can
we
have
the
staff
presentation?
Please
then,.
I
I
I
I
The
hotel
is
proposed
to
have
a
total
of
99
rooms.
They
are
suite
style,
so
they
have
small
kitchenettes
and
they're
designed
for
families.
It's
going
to
be
five
stories
with
four
habitable
stories.
Above
one
story
of
parking,
they
have
included
some
amenities
for
the
guests,
including
an
outdoor
pool,
a
fitness
room,
guest
laundry
room
and
they're
also
also
proposing
balconies
facing
roosevelt.
I
I
The
proposed
hotel
is
oriented
along
roosevelt
boulevard,
that
is
its
primary
frontage.
They
are
proposing
to
have
access
from
roosevelt
boulevard
from
hill
street
and
also
from
cross
street
to
the
south.
They
are
proposing
to
have
a
decorative
street
wall
that
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
here
in
a
minute
along.
The
frontage
provides
screening
of
both
the
parking
lot,
as
well
as
to
fulfill
a
building
frontage
requirement,
and
the
pool
is
proposed
at
the
rear
of
the
building
back
here
in
the
dotted
blue
area.
I
I
When
reviewing
conditional
uses,
the
board
is
to
consider
seven
criteria
established
in
the
land
development
code.
Those
are
outlined
here
on
the
screen
staff
has
organized
the
staff
report
as
well
as
this
presentation
into
different
areas
of
consideration
to
help
you
make
your
decision
and
your
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
tonight.
I
The
first
area
is
the
special
area
plan
considerations.
Again
this
was
adopted
back
in
2011..
It
does
recognize
the
unique
history,
culture
and
development
pattern
of
this
area.
Specifically,
this
property
is
in
the
sponge
docs
character
district.
The
entire
district
is
outlined
here
in
the
dotted
black
line.
The
site
here
in
red,
the
intent
of
the
sponge
docs
character
district
is
again
to
continue
the
support
of
working
waterfront
and
tourist
trade.
I
The
special
area
plan
does
have
a
series
of
different
goals
and
objectives.
One
specific
objective
within
this
district
is
to
provide
tourist
accommodations
within
walking
distance
to
tourist
destinations
in
the
sponge.
Docks
hotel
development
is
further
incentivized
within
the
special
area
plan,
specifically
within
the
sponge
docs
character
district,
to
allow
for
increased
height
between
four
and
six
stories
to
allow
an
increased
floor
area
ratio
or
far
of
2.0,
as
well
as
to
allow
for
up
to
60
lodging
units
per
acre.
I
Next
area
are
considerations
to
height,
and
I
have
a
few
slides
on
this
topic
again.
They
are
proposing
to
have
the
hotel,
be
a
total
of
five
stories
with
four
habitable
stories.
One
story
of
parking
on
the
ground
level,
the
total
height,
measured
to
the
top
of
roof
deck,
is
54
feet
which
is
about
here
to
the
top
of
the
parapet,
is
58
feet.
I
The
special
area
plan,
as
well
as
the
smart
code,
does
establish
minimum
and
maximum
story
heights.
If
the
applicant
were
to
max
out
the
total
allowance
for
height,
a
five-story
building
could
be
up
to
81
feet
in
height
prior
to
the
smart
code
and
special
area
plan
being
established.
This
property
was
located
within
the
wd-1
zoning
district,
that
district
permitted
hotels
by
right
and
allowed
them
to
have
a
maximum
height
of
50
feet.
I
When
looking
at
the
surrounding
area,
there
are
several
different
types
of
building
types
structures
uses
that
you
will
see
some
to
consider
are
the
turtle
cove
marina,
which
is
high
and
dry
boat
storage.
Those
are
approximately
four
stories
in
height
the
former
greek
hall,
which
is
now
used
for
a
retail
establishment
is
located
here
from
the
subject.
Property
to
the
top
of
this
building
is
approximately
35
feet.
I
I
Lastly,
staff
did
want
to
provide
you
some
comparisons
with
existing
development
throughout
the
city,
both
relatively
close
to
the
site
as
well
as
elsewhere.
Again,
the
turtle
cove,
marina,
just
southwest
of
the
site,
is
approximately
45
to
50
feet
or
about
four
stories.
The
former
greek
hall
measured
from
the
subject.
Property
is
approximately
35
feet
in
height,
and
the
tallest
building
within
the
city
is
tarpon
tower
off
of
martin
luther
king
boulevard,
and
that
is
approximately
70
feet
in
height.
I
During
the
review
of
this
conditional
use,
staff
did
do
a
preliminary
look
to
identify
any
sort
of
concerns
or
inconsistencies
between
the
proposed
and
the
smart
code.
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple
of
the
items
that
we
talked
about.
One
is
really
the
intent
of
the
development
standards
within
the
smart
code
is
to
promote
vibrant
walkable
pedestrian
environments.
To
do
that,
it
pushes
buildings
closer
to
the
street,
has
smaller
setbacks,
screens
parking
areas
from
the
adjacent
right
of
ways
and
provides
direct
pedestrian
connections
to
the
streets?
I
The
applicant
did
respond
to
some
of
those
considerations
by
pushing
the
building
closer
to
the
street.
However,
they
did
still
want
to
have
a
slight
setback
because
it
is
a
taller
structure.
So
therefore,
they
have
proposed
this
decorative
street
wall
that
not
only
fulfills
the
building
frontage
requirement,
but
it
also
does
screen
the
parking
lot.
I
I
The
other
consideration
of
the
smart
code,
as
it
does
for
structured
parking
require
it
to
be
located
within
something
that's
called
the
third
layer
that
essentially
is
20
feet
back
from
the
front
wall
of
the
building.
It's
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
this
yellow
line
indicates
that
20-foot
mark
to
address
this
concern.
The
applicant
has
pulled
some
of
the
hotel
amenities,
like
the
fitness
room
and
laundry
room
down
to
the
first
story,
as
well
as
an
entrance
area
and
pushing
the
parking
spaces
back
behind
that
third
layer
line.
I
When
looking
at
the
comprehensive
plan
again,
this
property
is
located
in
the
crd
land
use
category,
the
crd
land
use
category
specifically
refers
to
the
special
area
plan
for
general
use
allowances
and
density
intensity
requirements.
The
special
area
plan
essentially
serves
as
a
mini
comprehensive
plan
specifically
for
this
area.
I
I
The
first
is
goal
one
to
protect
the
cultural
heritage,
historic
resources,
tourist
economy
and
environmental
setting
of
tarpon
springs.
Objective
1.2,
encourage
redevelopment
and
renewal
of
the
city's
designated
cra
and
promote
the
sponge
docs
tourist
area
policy.
3.4.2
prohibit
development
proposals
which
promote
the
proliferation
of
urban
sprawl.
Urban
sprawl
shall
be
contained
through
the
use
of
infill
development
of
vacant
properties.
Compact
growth,
contiguous
to
the
existing
developed
area
and
provision
of
public
services
and
facilities
goal
seven
is
to
promote
development
of
temporary
lodging
facilities
within
the
city
to
serve
the
growing
tourist
industry.
I
I
This
area
is
really
comprised
of
a
variety
of
building
types
and
uses.
There
is
residential,
there's
commercial
as
well
as
marine
related
industrial
uses
within
the
greek
town
area.
The
applicant
did
propose
that
their
hotel
color
palette
was
chosen
to
complement
the
greek
heritage
of
the
area,
as
well
as
the
sponge
exchange
at
the
docks.
I
The
property
is
also
located
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
which
is
the
map
shown
here
on
the
screen.
Typically
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
Residential
development,
which
is
what
is
permitted
in
the
t4a
district,
is
discouraged
not
ideal
for
development,
so
the
proposed
use
is
more
compatible
with
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
I
Zooming
out
and
looking
at
the
context
and
compatibility
of
the
neighborhood
again,
this
isn't
within
walking
distance
to
the
sponge
docks.
It
is
primarily
surrounded
by
surface
parking.
Lots
that
I
have
outlined
here
on
the
screen
in
black
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
turtle.
Cove
marina
again,
is
to
the
southwest
of
the
site.
The
former
greek
hall
is
located
here
adjacent
to
the
southeast.
I
I
I
The
applicants
did
provide
some
preliminary
traffic
assessments
for
the
proposed
use,
which
are
outlined
here
on
the
screen,
but
essentially
they're,
anticipating
a
daily
trip
rate
of
453
trips,
an
am
our
morning
peak
hour
of
35
trips
and
a
pm
peak
hour
of
37
trips.
One
thing,
that's
important
to
note
is
the
close
proximity
to
the
proposed
hotel
to
the
tourist
destinations
will
likely
reduce
the
number
of
vehicle
trips.
I
I
The
proposed
project
does
show
a
portion
of
hill
street
being
vacated.
Right-Of-Way
vacations
require
a
separate
application
as
well
as
review
process,
but
during
the
review
of
this
conditional
use,
we
did
have
preliminary
discussions
with
our
technical
review
committee
about
any
sort
of
potential
conflicts
with
the
vacation
of
hill
street.
The
area
that's
proposed
to
be
vacated
is
just
adjacent
to
the
property,
and
it's
this
large
area
hatched
in
red.
I
I
I
The
applicant
did
also
indicate
that
there
are
some
10-foot
unimproved
alleyways
along
the
eastern
portion
of
the
site,
as
well
as
cuts
through
the
southern
portion
that
are
intended
to
be
vacated.
At
that
same
time
when
they
submit
the
application
for
hill
street.
I
Lastly,
just
touching
on
economic
development,
karen
lemons
from
our
economic
development
manager,
provided
us
some
information
about
the
impact
of
a
hotel
at
this
location.
Specifically
back
in
2016,
there
was
an
economic
impact
study
performed.
It
indicated
that
the
city
attracts
1.1
million
visitors
annually
and
of
that
86
percent
are
only
day
visitors.
I
I
I
I
I
Although
the
site
is
mostly
surrounded
by
non-residential
uses,
the
homestead
property
could
have
some
impacts
with
the
development
of
a
hotel,
but
that
property
is
also
located
within
the
special
area
plan
number
six.
The
use
will
not
adversely
impact
or
exceed
the
city's
capacity
to
serve
with
public
facilities.
I
There
are
existing
facilities
within
the
area
to
serve
the
property,
and
there
is
capacity
the
applicant
did
provide
preliminary
consumption
rates.
However,
an
in-depth
review
will
be
conducted
during
the
site
plan
review
process
to
ensure
that
the
site
is
adequately
served.
Any
sort
of
requirements
to
upgrade
or
extend
the
utility
services
will
be
the
responsibility
of
the
applicant
and,
lastly,
the
proposed
project
does
represent
infill
development
of
a
vacant
parcel
within
the
developed
area
of
the
city.
I
Staff
does
recognize
that
this
is
a
really
important
project
and
has
potentially
a
significant
impact
to
the
city
as
well
as
the
sponge
docks.
Typically,
we
would
provide
you
with
a
formal
recommendation
in
lieu
of
that
we
chose
to
again
provide
you
with
various
consideration
areas
to
help
you
make
your
decision
and
your
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
I
If
the
board
does
elect
to
recommend
approval,
we
do
have
three
recommended
conditions.
The
first
is
to
provide
an
evacuation
plan
in
the
event
of
a
hurricane,
shall
be
provided
at
the
time
of
site
plan
approval.
The
second
is
approval
of
this.
Conditional
use
shall
be
contingent
on
the
partial
vacation
of
hill
street,
which
requires
again
a
separate
application
and
review
process,
and
the
third
is
a
site.
I
They
were
just
more
detailed
site
plans
that
did
not
change
the
overall
layout
height
proposed
number
of
rooms
or
anything
significant
on
the
property.
Just
provided
more
detail.
So
we
do
have
those
slides
in
the
backup
materials
if
anyone
has
any
questions
and
we
can
pull
those
up-
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
into
the
record
all
right
with
that.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions.
D
I've
got
a
couple
real,
quick,
all
right
sure
the
chair
I'd
like
to
to
get
clarified
from
staff
and
our
attorney
a
little
bit.
Our
decision
tonight
is
just
on
the
conditional
use,
which
is
basically
just
a
decision
of
whether
it's
okay
to
allow
any
hotel
to
be
developed
on
the
portion
of
the
property,
that's
in
the
t4a
transect
zone
and
we
are
not,
or
by
taking
action,
to
approve
or
or
disprove
this
we're
not
approving
or
disproving
any
of
the
plans.
We've
seen
tonight
correct.
D
I
That's
correct,
but
with
that
said
they
did
provide
some
preliminary
materials
or
their
backup
materials.
So,
theoretically,
the
conditional
use
would
have
to
be
fairly
consistent
with
what's
been
proposed
here,
but
there
can
be
some
slight
modifications
to
address
anything
that
may
come
up
in
the
site
plan
process.
But
yes,
you're,
just
rep
approving
the
use
of
a
hotel
in
a
t4a
transect
zone.
D
I
So
the
special
area
plan
provides
the
height
allowances
the
maximums,
so
it
is
part
of
the
consideration
of
the
conditional
use.
It
is.
Hotels
are
permitted
within
special
area
plan
to
be
four
to
six
floors
in
height
that
could
go
to
part
of
your
evaluation
of
the
conditional
use
criteria
such
as
compatibility
and
things
of
that
nature.
I.
H
Well,
yes,
because,
as
ellie
has
said,
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
to
your
your
conditional
use
criteria.
So
it
is,
while
you
are
allowed
to
have
a
four
to
six
story.
Building
within
that
area,
you
have
the
criteria
for
the
special
area
plan
for
the
conditional
use
that
you
are
to
consider
and
that
can
be
one
of
the
contributing
factors.
D
I
Yes,
so
once
the
board
makes
a
recommend
recommendation
tonight
on
the
conditional
use
that
goes
to
the
board
of
commissioners
for
one
reading
for
the
resolution.
If
that
is
approved
by
the
board
of
commissioners,
then
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
submit
site
plan
application.
I
That
will
then
come
back
to
you
for
for
review
as
well
and
that'd
be
the
detailed
site
plans
and
that
will
be
looking
at
the
compliance
with
the
smart
code
requirements.
D
I
And
yes,
and
along
with
the
site
plan
approval,
they
will
also
have
to
submit
that
application
for
the
right-of-way
vacation
for
hill
street.
True.
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
I
I
appreciate
those
comments.
You
know
one
of
my
concern
is,
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
path
you
know
to
approve
something
and
have
everybody
here
and-
and
you
know
I
recognize
the
need
for
a
hotel,
but
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
path
just
to
have
the
applicant
come
back,
and
then
we
start
carving
up
or
having
issues
with
regard
to
the
the
resubmittal
or
so
I'd
like
to
have
the
opportunity
to
address
those
concerns.
G
Now,
whether
or
not
they're
applicable
for
today's
meeting
or
not,
I
think
I
think
they
need
the
applicant
needs
to
necessarily
hear
what
the
concerns
at
least
my
concerns-
and
I
don't
know
about
anybody
else
on
the
on
this
board-
is
because
I'd
like
to
see
something
move
forward
with
regard
to
a
potential
hotel.
But
I
don't,
I
don't
want
to
be
going
back
and
forth
and
if
we
could
start
working
towards
an
opportunity
for
approval,
I
think
now
is
the
appropriate
time
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
that
I
have
well.
H
And
I
will
say
for
purposes
of
the
record:
you
have
one
application
before
you,
that
is,
for
conditional
uses
with
specific
criteria.
So
I
would
just
say,
for
purposes
of
the
record
and
as
your
advisor
your
legal
advisor,
to
maintain
your
questions
to
those
things
that
have
to
do
with
the
criteria
and
the
application
before
you.
I.
G
Appreciate
that,
but
you
know
me
I'm
going
to
ask
the
questions
I'm
going
to
ask
anyways,
but
I
appreciate
that
so
the
questions
that
I
have
and
let
me
circle
back
around
after
everybody's-
had
a
chance
to
speak
but
under
under
the
t5c.
D
G
And
in
that
use
by
right
are
the
height
size,
the
height.
Is
that
a
given
under
the
use
by
right,
or
is
that
something
that
we
as
a
board
have
the
opportunity
to
to
put
as
a
condition
maybe
to
not
whether
or
not
today,
but
at
a
future
date?.
I
So,
within
that
transect
zone,
it
is
a
use
by
right.
The
four
to
six
stories
is
an
allowance,
so
it
tells
you
a
hotel
could
be
four
to
six
stories.
I
think,
where
height
can
potentially
come
into,
consideration
is
because
of
the
t4a
conditional
use
process.
That's
where
you
can
have
some
questions
about
it.
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
can.
Finally,
finally
divide
half
and
half
on
the
property,
but
because
you're
here
for
conditional
use,
it
can
be
a
consideration.
G
G
So
I'm
going
to
refer
to
the
t5c
as
far
as
along
dota
kinase,
for
example,
and
I'll
use
the
term
belarus
parking
lot
because
that's
the
way
I
grew
up,
referring
it
to
so.
If,
if
somebody
who
currently
owns
the
the
belarus
parking
lot
also
wanted
to
do
something
similar,
that's
that's
also
permitted
by
right.
O
G
Okay
with
regard
to
the
sponge
doc
historical
district,
is
there
currently
a
a
greek
town
or
a
greek
town,
historic
preservation
board.
G
I
G
So
there's
there's
no
anything
in
place
that
that
sort
of
would
have
any
input
or
any
design
implement
requirements
in
that.
G
I
P
I
I'm
just
gonna
come
back
and
say
I
just
think
that's
an
unfair
question.
I
mean
there
there's
no
there's
no
established
architectural
style,
that's
in
a
design
regulations
manual
anywhere.
You
have
a
whole
list
of
architectural
types
that
are
in
the
district.
None
of
them
are
four
story.
None
of
them
are
six
story
so.
G
It's
a
hard
thing
to
answer.
I
understand
that,
but
but
but
renee
we're
given
we're
given
an
elevation.
Yes,
we're
given
an
elevation
of
a
square,
a
box
yeah
in
this
one.
Basically
it's
a
box,
and
so
I
know
the
city
is
trying
to
develop
the
greektown
historical
preservation
area
with
some
something
that
has
teeth
lit
for
for
a
future.
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
it's
it's
on
its
way,
whether
it's
six
months
a
year
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
G
G
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do,
honors
the
greek
town
or
the
sponge
doc
area,
that's
consistent
with
the
theme
of
the
sponge
docs
and
that's
why
I
prefaced
my
questions
earlier
on.
G
I
know
why
we're
here
today,
but
these
are
points
that
for
the
developer,
to
understand
at
least
where
I'm
coming
from
things
that
I'm
going
to
look
at
in
the
f
when
they
bring
this
thing
again.
I
don't
want
them
to
waste
their
time
to
to
present
a
box
that
that,
quite
frankly,
just
because
you
painted
greek,
blue
and
white
doesn't
make
it
greek,
and-
and
so
you
know-
and
I
and
and
so
those
are
the
concerns
that
I
have
and
that's
why,
when
I
look
at
that
elevation,
it
does
nothing
for
me.
P
I
understand
okay,
let
me
let
me
you
know,
lose
a
little
history
for
everybody.
So
when
the
special
area
plan
was
adopted
and
and
the
transect
zones,
everything
was
put
in
place
in
2011
that
that
was
over
a
course
of
a
about
a
two-year
engagement
effort
there.
Now
there
are,
there
are
massing,
you
know
and
like
setback,
you
know
details
in
that
plan.
P
It
does
not
have
design
guidelines
per
se
in
2014
is
when
the
the
registration
nomination
was
submitted
for
the
greektown
cultural
district,
and
I
apologize
and
I
do
want
to
get
it
entered
into
the
record.
We
did
not
give
you
guys
a
copy
of
that
that
narrative
that
really
the
only
the
what
we
have
is
just
what
was
submitted
to
the
national
park
service
for
their
consideration,
and
it
was
you
know,
adopted
as
a
the
greek
town,
historic
district,
cultural
district.
I'm
sure
people
folks
will
speak
to
that
tonight.
P
More
eloquently
eloquently
than
I
can
and
at
that
point
in
time
it
was
specifically
done
so
in
a
manner
without
you
know
the
at
that
point
in
time.
As
far
as
my
understanding
with
the
city
was
concerned-
and
I
think
I
was
gone
by
then-
is
that
there
was
no
intent
to
adopt
follow-on
design
guidelines
now
there.
I
know
there
is
interest
among
some
people
to
do
that,
but
that
is
not
scheduled.
For
I
mean
there's,
there's
discussion,
it's
not.
You
know
there,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
what
it
is
now,
but
it
did.
P
It
did
come
after
that
that
that
district
came
after
the
sponge
docs
character.
The
the
downtown
excuse
me
this
the
smart
code
in
this
and
the
character
districts
and
everything
were
adopted.
So
it
is
absolutely
a
piece
of
your
criteria
that
should
be.
You
know
it
speaks
to
the
compatibility
issue
it
does.
You
know
it
does
talk
to
the
history
of
the
area
and
how
it
got
where
it
is.
P
So
you
you
know
when
you're
looking
at
you
know,
the
one
of
your
criteria
is,
is
that
is
the
proposed
use
compatible
with
existing
and
planned
uses
in
the
area,
and
so
I
think
that
existing
uses
in
the
history
of
that
comes
out
of
that
that
cultural
district
designation.
So
if
that
gives
you
any
any
guidance,
you
know
I
mean
clearly
there's
nothing
like
that
in
that
district
in
that
district
right
up
in
that
nomination,
does
that
help.
G
I
understand
that
you
know
the
concern
that
I
have
and
this
is
sort
of
directed
to
the
applicant.
Is
you
know
for
my
purposes
you
know,
and
I
understand
and
I
appreciate
the
need
for
a
hotel.
I
represent
a
lot
of
small
businesses
at
the
sponge
doc
doc
area.
Some
of
them
may
be
mad
at
me.
G
For
my,
you
know
creating
a
roadblock,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I've
got
to
do
what's
right
for
the
historical
process
down
down
at
that
area,
and
we
can't
again
we
can't
put
the
gd
back
in
the
bottle.
So
design
elements
are
critical,
critical
for
me
in
in
in
this
process
and
moving
forward.
So
as
far
as
the
developer
is
concerned,
that's
a
message:
that's
a
message
that
that
you
know
any
approval.
G
You
know
I
understand
the
need
for
a
hotel.
I
support
it,
but
there's
a
big,
but
I
think
it's
got
to
be
consistent.
The
design's
got
to
be
consistent
with
the
cultural
history
of
the
area
period
and
you
know
I
have
concerns
about
the
height,
but
that's
you
know
for
a
different
discussion
and
at
this
point
I
may
circle
back,
but
I
said
I've
got
on
my
salt
boxes
said
what
I've
had
to
say.
J
J
P
P
You
know
you
could
make
a
recommendation
that
includes
you
know
a
additional
conditions
as
long
as
there's
a
rational
nexus
of
those
conditions,
and
you
get
that
you
know
make
that
rational
nexus.
As
to
why
you're
requesting
specific
things
you
can
provide
that
direction.
You
know
both
to
the
developer.
H
P
P
You're,
you
have
an
elevation,
but
if,
if
your
specific
recommendation
is
that
you
don't
like
that
elevation
and
you
want
something
different
with
some
and
you
can
provide
some
specifics
as
to
what
that
be
and
to
provide
guidance
for
the
developer,
you
know.
Ultimately,
he
has
to
make
a
decision
and
I'll.
Let
him
speak
to
this
when
he
gets
his
chance
to
as
to
whether
or
not
he's
going
to
move
forward
with
the
project
and
come
back
and
do
a
full
site
plan
review.
So
there's
a
it's
a
it's
an
interesting.
F
Can
I
can
I
get
you
to
put
that
slide
up?
That's
titled
considerations
to
height
yeah,
that's
where
I'm
at.
F
Right
there
you're
right
there
right
there,
okay,
so
just
so,
we
have
a
context.
These
jaggedy
little
lines
here.
Well,
let
me
let
me
let
me
go
to
the
top,
so
you've
got
58
feet
and
that's
from
the
the
the
parafit,
the
black
paraffin
that
goes
to
the
to
the
left,
where
you
have
your
laser
right,
yep,
okay!
So
how?
How
much?
How
much
additional
height
is
there?
That's
not
measured
there
going
all
the
way
to
the
very
top
and
they're
all
the
way
up
all
the
way
right
there
up.
F
P
I
don't
have
that
specifically,
but
it
looks
like
it's
probably
another
and
the
developer
can
answer
this.
Their
engineers
are
here,
okay,
what
they
gave
it.
You
know.
Typically,
these
projections
like
this,
don't
at
least
in
the
smart
code-
consideration
don't
count
against
the
height,
but
so
I'm
gonna,
but
if
this
is
to
scale
accurately,
if
that's
four
feet,
I'm
going
to
say
that's
probably
another
four
to
five
feet:
okay,.
F
Okay,
so
for
context
for
the
board
and
for
the
audience
the
turtle
cove.
My
understanding
is
that
they're
at
45.
the
highest
the
highest,
the
one
that's
on
the
building.
That's
on
roosevelt
is
45..
So
if
you
go.
K
F
C
First,
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
to
staff
for
a
very
detailed
presentation
ali.
You
did
a
terrific
job.
I
couldn't
ask
for
much
more,
but
I'd
like
to
drill
into
something
that
hasn't
been
discussed,
and
I
didn't
know
if
it
was
appropriate.
But
since
you
provided
a
page
on
it,
I
thought
we
could
delve
into
it.
I'd
like
to
refer
to
the
hill
street
vacation
page,
okay,.
P
P
C
C
P
C
Super
I
I
have
to
read
my
questions,
because
my
memory
is
not
so
good
so
when
and
which
board
oversees
that
vacation
request.
C
Okay,
don't
don't
the
other
owners
on
hill
street
the
two
residential
properties
to
the
east?
Wouldn't
they
have
a
say
on
whether
or
not
that
road
gets
vacated.
As
I
understand
vacations,
it
has
to
be
a
majority
of
owners,
just
curious.
P
Nothing
in
the
review
criteria
that
speaks
to
if
we
were
vacating,
something
that
that
provided
this
provided,
the
sole
means
of
access
for
those
properties,
and
so
basically,
we
were
cutting
off
their
access
completely.
In
this
case,
this
is
the
limits
of
what
they
want
to
vacate,
so
the
rest
of
hill
will
remain
open.
Now
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
drive
through
here
well,
actually,
they
probably
would
because
they'll
be
able
to
go
through
the
parking
lot
if
they
want
to,
but
they're
not
losing
access
to
two
hill
street.
C
That
make
sense,
it
seems
to
me
that
this
vacation
of
the
hill
underpins
the
entire
project,
arguably
more
important
than
this
conditional
use.
That
would
be
my
opinion,
I'm
curious
as
to
why
that
vacation
application
wasn't
made
first
and
is
being
made
secondary
and
don't
answer
yet,
because
I
have
a
fear
that,
should
this
board
approve
the
conditional
use,
it
will
imply
a
tacit
approval
of
that
vacation,
whereas
we
have
had
no
input
or
discussed
it
in
any
way.
P
C
P
Yeah-
and
we
were
really-
you
know-
you're
right-
that
their
entire
project
is
predicated
on
that,
and
so
that's
why
there's
this
specific
condition
in
there?
We,
you
know
we
from
the
staff
perspective
and
technical
review
committee.
We
looked
at
it
very
hard,
as
if
you
know
would
from
just
from
the
staff
perspective
and
looking
at
our
codes
is
there
anything
that
would
prohibit
us
from
at
least
recommending.
P
C
So
that's
the
board
of
commissioners.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
move
on.
Thank
you
so
and
if
I
understood
right
in
judging
from
the
photos,
it
appears
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
loss
of
six
and
I
even
counted
eight
public
parking
spaces.
Don't
comment
yet
and
golly.
The
last
time
I
came
downhill
and
was
trying
to
find
a
parking
place.
Downtown
a
parking
seems
to
be
at
a
premium
right
now,
and
so
was
the
that
loss
complete
loss
of
eight
valuable
parking
spaces
taken
into
account
when
you
were
kind
of
going
through
things.
P
We
we
definitely
note
noted
that,
yes,
it
would
be
a
loss
and
that
that
there's
probably
something
that
the
developer
would
want
to
consider
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
up
those
spaces
and
working
with
the
city.
But
again
I
can't
get
over
out
over.
My
skis,
I
think,
is
the
term
I
like
to
use
with
that.
It's
I'm.
C
Trying
to
get
you
out
of
your
skis,
I'm
kidding
okay,
so
that
that
was
taken
into
account
that
there's
going
to
be
a
loss
of
public
parking
spaces.
If
that
were
to
be
vacated
in
the
in
the
property
were
to
be
developed.
C
Okay,
I
want
to
no
I'm
not
going
to
come
back
to
that.
I
have
a
couple
more
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
go
right
to
this
vacation
if
I
may
be
so
bold
so
because
it
drew
my
attention
and
I
have
a
copy
so
that
I
could
provide
it
to
everybody.
C
Interestingly
enough,
the
florida
florida
attorney
general
miss
well,
it
was
her
assistant,
patricia
gleason.
They
they
did
a
review
of
of
vacations,
and
it's
about
18
pages
long,
and
I
have
it
here
for
everyone
and
I'm
just
going
to
quote
a
couple
of
elements
in
regards
to
municipalities
and
vacations,
and
I'm
going
to
read
a
quotation
here.
It
might
be
a
little
bit
long,
a
municipality.
H
C
C
H
Your
research
and
I
appreciate
your
question-
that's
not
for
consideration
before
this
board.
Second,
I
have
read
this
opinion
and
while
you
have
taken
specific
lines
from
that
opinion
that
you've
brought
out
here,
that
is
not
what
this
entire
opinion
was
with
with
regards
to.
So
you
have
two
separate
kind
of
issues.
You
have
municipal
vacations
here
and
you
have
a
separate
vacation
application
that
is
not
before
this
board
here.
C
N
C
H
C
H
Yeah
municipality
cannot
charge
them
for
that,
but
it's
also
about
way
more
than
just
that
simple
subject.
This
is
a
very
detailed
opinion
from
1978..
I
am
familiar
with
it.
It
has
not
nothing
to
do
with
what's
before
you
today.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
mr
vessey,
but
my
job
is
you
to
be
your
legal
advisor
and
to
make
sure
that
this
board
stays
on
task
for
what
the
for
the
record
for
what
application
is
before
you,
but.
J
C
Know
I
still
have
a
couple
questions,
forgive
me
and
she's
right,
but
you
are
exact.
You
know
that
you're
exactly
correct
and
it's
not
what
is
in
front
of
us,
but
I
thought
it
relevant
and
worth
extrapolating
and
I'll
even
remind
that
at
the
beginning
of
her
comments,
staff
did
discuss
the
order
of
which
they
were
to
be
done.
H
Well-
and
you
well
know
that
you
have
the
ability
to
make
it
known
that
you
don't,
but
it
would,
it
would
be
yeah
you
could.
Thank
you.
You
have
the
ability
to
make
that
known
in
your
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
that
you
don't
necessarily
approve
of
the
vacation,
but
it
would
be.
D
We
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
to
cut
you
off
nick.
Do
you
have
any
more
staff,
okay,
seeing
seeing
none?
Would
the
applicant
like
to
begin
their
presentation
state
your
name
and
address
and
begin.
N
Good
evening,
mr
chairman
board
members,
katie
cole,
600
cleveland
street
clearwater
florida
33756,
representing
the
developer
on
this
project,
which
is
a
conditional
use
application.
This
staff
certainly
did
a
as
you've
already
commented,
a
wonderful
job
going
through
each
one
of
the
criteria,
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
a
little
bit
generally
about
those
criteria.
N
N
There
are
two
transects
that
are
involved,
which
is
why
we're
here
today
and
the
location
of
the
hotel
is
specific
to
bifurcating
those
two
transects
because
of
the
design
of
the
hotel
and
the
need.
The
smaller
parcel
is
on
the
permissive
transect,
the
vacant
property
across
the
street.
That
is
also
under
contract,
which
is
currently
a
parking
lot,
is
in
the
t5
transect
as
well.
But
then
you
would
have
a
use,
that's
bifurcating,
roosevelt
boulevard,
and
so
it
seemed
most
reasonable
from
a
design
standpoint
to
present
a
design
like
this.
N
There's
been
a
lot
of
conversations
and
candidly,
there
was
not
too
much
need
for
our
experts
to
go
through
each
one
of
those
criteria
after
the
findings
of
fact,
and
the
staff
report
were
presented,
but
we
do
have
the
architect
and
the
engineer,
but
the
bottom
line
is
today
you're
being
asked
to
approve
a
use
and
only
a
use
and
as
the
staff
as
opined.
You
certainly
have
the
flexibility
to
attach
criteria
for
those
types
of
things.
N
Let
me
just
talk
about
process
a
little
bit
with
respect
to
the
right-of-way
vacation,
the
site
plan,
approval
conditional
use,
that's
a
hard
discussion
and
decision
on
a
developer
standpoint
as
to
what
to
do,
but
candidly,
the
engineering
fees.
The
survey
costs
the
architectural
fees.
Those
are
huge
numbers,
whether
they
even
know
if
a
use
is
going
to
be
permitted,
and
so
it
makes
reasonable
sense.
N
Are
there
conditions
that
we
want
this
use
here,
but
we
don't
want
to
see
a
site
plan
that
has
these
other
things
associated
with
it,
and
that's
a
very
fair
request
and
a
fair
comment
that
I
know
that
our
team
would
be
welcome
to
listen
to
to
those
types
of
feedback
and
the
criteria.
We've
certainly
seen
some
of
you
all,
even
post
on
facebook,
that
you
wanted
to
see
that
type
of
criteria
and
we're
pulling
your
neighbors
about
it.
So
those
types
of
things
are
very
welcome
here.
N
We're
here
for
this
request,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
there
are
very
specific
requirements
in
the
code
with
respect
to
the
standards
of
review
for
conditional
uses
and
the
application
that
was
presented
to
you
and
the
evidence
that
was
just
presented
by
the
staff
show
that
there
is
evidence
in
the
record
that
supports
the
review
for
conditional
use
approval,
the
conformance
with
the
requirements
of
this
code.
It's
very
clear
that
a
hotel
is
contemplated
in
the
sponge
stock
special
area
district.
N
It's
even
contemplated
in
the
transect
by
which
the
conditional
uses
is
requested,
in
fact
in
the
t4
transp
transect,
both
ins
and
bed
and
breakfast
are
permitted
uses,
but
a
hotel
is
a
conditional
use.
Certainly,
the
intent
of
that
was
to
elicit
the
exact
type
of
conversation
that's
happening
tonight.
N
The
use
to
which
the
property
may
be
put
to
appropriate
to
the
property
in
question
is
compatible
with
existing
and
planned
uses
in
the
area.
Your
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
a
visionary
document,
your
land
development
code,
the
special
area
plan,
the
transect
code.
All
of
these
things
contemplate
a
four
to
six
story:
hotel
in
this
area.
That
is
exactly
what's
contemplated.
N
The
economic
development
department
talks
about
visitors,
your
advertising,
even
on
your
home
page
of
your
website.
You
talk
about
visitors
coming
to
the
to
the
sponge
docs
and
staying
there
and
seeing
that,
which
is
why
it
is
a
permitted
use
in
the
majority
of
the
sponge
docs
area
and
why
inns
and
bed
and
breakfast
are
permitted
uses
in
an
even
broader
area,
because
the
city
as
a
policy
encourages
this
use
with
certain
conditions
attached.
N
N
The
fact
that
this
is
a
conditional
permitted
use
and
the
conditional
use
will
not
result
in
significant
adverse
impacts
in
the
environment
or
historic
resources,
and
I
do
think
this
one
is
worth
talking
about.
It
is
not
adversely
impacting
the
sponge
docs
to
have
a
use
there,
which
is
what
people
have
asked
for
it's
what
people
want.
N
N
If
you
look
in
your
in
in
the
special
area
plan
at
the
list
of
permitted
uses
in
the
these
two
transects
are
perhaps
the
most
permissive
transects
in
your
special
area
plan
to
contemplate
that
the
conditional
use
will
not
adversely
impact
nor
exceed
the
capacity
of
the
fiscal
ability
of
the
city
to
provide
available
public
facilities
in
the
packet
that
was
provided
to
staff
included
an
analysis
of
utilities
and
how
the
water
and
potable
water
would
be
serviced.
N
This
is
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
gain
revenues,
not
only
tax
revenues
from
property
taxes,
but
tourist
tax
revenues
going
through
the
special
taxing
authority
of
the
tourist
development
council
and
in
sales
tax
revenues
based
on
to
the
state
based
on
the
additional
tourists
that
are
in
the
area
and
that
would
be
inclined
to
stay
in
the
area.
So
each
one
of
these
are
the
standards
of
review
for
conditional
uses.
N
The
penthouse,
which
just
provides
access
to
the
roof,
are
specifically
excluded
from
height
calculations,
because
they're
necessary
part
of
construction
and,
as
you
so
aptly
pointed
out,
it
would
reduce
the
height
by
an
entire
story
and
in
essence
you
would
have
a
three-story
building
with
those
types
uses
on
the
ceiling
or
on
the
roof.
Excuse
me,
instead
of
the
four
to
six,
which
is
contemplated
in
your
code.
N
We
do
have
the
developer
here
and
I
think
it's
important
to
hear
from
him
about
his
investment
in
the
community
and
what
his
vision
for
this
hotel
is.
Mr
fritz
and
his
family
own.
I'm
going
to
ask:
can
you
switch
us
over?
We
have
a
second
powerpoint
for
you
own
other
hotels,
in
small
communities
in
the
area
and
waterfront
communities,
and-
and
we
wanted
to
be
sure
you
could
hear
from
him
about
his
investment
here
so.
Q
Q
Great
team,
my
wife
and
me
went
to
college
in
saint
petersburg
at
akka
college
and
then
graduated
also
from
schiller
university.
In
dunedin
later
on,
we
both
went
to
work.
I
worked
at
a
startup
company
for
trevor,
my
wife
organized
a
multi
national
multinational
company,
and
we
have
today
two
children.
One
is
five
maximilian
and
we
just
had
a
daughter
and
she's
just
seven
months.
Q
My
wife
and
me
bought
the
best
western
in
dunedin
right
next
to
the
bon
appetit
in
2011
and
proceeded
on
to
build
the
hampton
inn
in
dunedin
in
2019.
Both
hotels
are
opera
owner
operated.
I
want
to
just
talk
about
this
for
a
second,
my
wife
and
me
are
not
here
to
flip
hotels,
sell
it
off
anything.
This
is
a
long
term
holds
for
us.
We
are
always
looking
out
for
the
community,
invest
in
the
community
and
be
part
of
the
community.
Q
We
apply
about
50
people
that
depend
seasonal
that
can
go
up,
can
go
a
little
bit
down.
Obviously
with
kowitt
everybody
has
his
challenges.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Obviously,
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
home
to
hotel
brand,
which
we
would
be
the
franchisee
hilton
is
an
american
staple
is
also
internationally
recognized
and
has
of
has
over
6800
hotels
worldwide.
Q
They
have
top
of
the
line,
know-how
and
support.
I
will
elaborate
this
a
little
bit
later
and
hilton
honors,
which
is
one
of
the
biggest
memberships
in
the
world.
Q
Q
What
we
believe
the
home
to
can
bring
to
the
sponge
dogs
a
minimum
of
20
jobs.
We
have
it's
an
enjoyable
lodging
facility
for
friends
and
family
for
tarpon
residents.
Q
Q
Obviously,
for
the
city,
it
would
create
a
new
revenue
stream
for
for
the
city.
Tourism
has
actually
replaced
sponging
in
tarpon
springs
and
is
now
the
major
major
economic
factor
in
tarpon.
Q
Q
Then
what
I
want
to
really
talk
about
is
so
a
million
over
a
million
people
visit
the
sponge
dogs
every
year
and
most
of
them
or,
as
we
heard
86
percent,
are
only
coming
for
the
day.
So
what
what?
What
do?
I
think
that
means
somebody
might
stay
at
clearwater
beach
drive
over
to
tarpon
springs,
take
a
tour
with
a
boot
with
a
boat
but
leaves
after
right.
He
won't
visit
the
restaurants.
He
won't
visit.
Q
Q
N
D
Okay,
I
do
have
a
a
question
for
for
someone.
Whoever
can
best
answer
it
does
home
to
suites,
allow
any
flexibility
in
the
appearance
of
the
structure.
I
know
that's
appears
to
be
pretty
standard.
I've
looked
at
at
other
places
and
didn't
see
any
cases
where
they
they
did
have
a
different
appearance,
but
is
it
an
option
to
alter
this
appearance.
M
Introduce
yourself
david
wallace,
dlw,
architects,
542
douglas
avenue
architect
with
many
many
years
of
designing
hotels,
many
many
hilton
products
over
those
years,
along
with
marriott
and
hyatt,
and
all
the
others.
M
Excuse
me,
the
the
brand
is
already
giving
us
some
leeway
in
latitude.
The
brand
does
not
generally
have
balconies.
They
generally
have
a
very
strict
color
palette.
They've
already
said
that
they're
willing
to
work
with
the
planning
board
and
the
city
requirements
to
allow
this
project
to
proceed.
D
I
mean
personally
and
I'm
this
is
a
little
personal
bias,
but
it's
a
very
modern
building,
it's
very
attractive.
I
think
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it
for
the
right
location,
but
I
mean
I
see
I
I've
looked
at
cases
like
in
fernadina
beach
and
in
saint
augustine
and
some
other
places
where
they
did
hotels
in
historic
districts
and
generally
those
hotels
relate
to
the
historic
districts.
D
But
I'm
just
I'm
not
personally
certain
that
the
appearance
of
this
hotel
fits
into
the
district
that
you're
trying
to
put
it
in,
and
I-
and
I
would
say
I
mean
I-
I
welcome
the
concept
of
a
hotel
near
the
sponge-
docks
that
it
is
something
that's
really
needed,
and
I
appreciate
you
guys
realizing
the
need
for
it,
but
to
receive
real
support
from
the
community
it's
going
to
have
to
fit
in.
M
If
I
can
speak
to
that,
you
mentioned
saint
augustine.
I
currently
have
a
hotel
under
construction
in
saint
augustine
in
the
historic
district
against
the
river,
and
it
is.
It
is
definitely
something
is
that
is
adapted
to
the
to
the
design
environment
that
it
sits
in.
We
would
go
through
a
similar
process
that
we
went
through
there.
M
G
F
Q
Q
F
Yes,
so
that
this
won't
10
years
from
now
be
an
orphan
hotel
right.
F
Q
No,
but
we
can
address
those
if
there's
any
concern
that
there's
flooding
on
roosevelt.
F
As
well
so
talking
about
getting
there
and
getting
out
so,
but
are
you
aware
of
of
the
flooding
problems
we
have
on
roosevelt
and
dotakinis.
F
M
So,
in
response
to
your
question,
we
considered
a
bunch
of
different
options
and
we
felt
that
the
currently
presented
height
represented
a
reasonable
balance,
not
asking
for
the
full
allowable
height,
not
asking
for
the
full
allowable
number
of
stories
and
still
accomplish
the
goal
of
having
an
adequate
room
supply
to
make
the
deal.
Make
economic
sense.
F
Okay,
now
I
want
you
to
be
aware
that
this
you
know
this
is
this
is
a
very,
very
sensitive
area.
Right
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
I
look
around
and
there's
people
in
here
whose
families
came
to
tarpon
springs
in
the
early
1900s,
some
in
the
late
1800s
that
sponge
docs
is
special
okay.
F
I
I
appreciate
some
of
these
conceptual
renderings
and
I
know
that
some
of
these
things
are
placeholders,
but
this
this
rendering
here
with
all
these
you
know
these
looks
of
a
large
buildings
behind
you
know,
looks
like
an
urban
setting
or
it
looks
like
some
hotel.
That
would
be
you
know
at
an
airport.
F
F
F
You
know
understand
how
fast
these
things
move
and
one
of
the
things
is
that
our
question
we
want
to
sometimes
often
want
to
slow
these
processes
down.
You
know
I
understand
that
there's
dynamics
between
the
property
owner
and
due
diligence
time,
that's
given,
and
I
and
I
understand,
I'm
a
I'm
a
I'm,
a
cpa,
I'm
a
businessman-
and
I
I
know
those
frustrations,
but
this
is
really
special.
Okay,
this
isn't
just
building
a
hotel
anywhere.
This
is
really
special
and.
F
We
could
have
something
that
the
majority
of
of
the
residents
are
happy
with,
but
it
needs
a
process
and
I
asked
you
have
you
had
and
I
I
know
the
answer:
there's
been
no
work,
there's
been
no
public
workshops,
there's
been
no
public
town
halls
and
I
think
those
are
necessary
where
not
just
this
venue
where
people
are
going
to
get
up
at
the
podium
and
say
they
like
it
or
don't
like
it,
but
something
where
it's
interactive
and
then
you
guys
can
build
and,
and
and
like
is
it.
Mr
frisky
is.
F
F
You
know
vigorously
on
a
comprehensive
plan,
a
strategic
plan,
a
land
develop
on
a
new
land
development
code
on
their
they're
working
on
on
on
the
smart
code.
All
these
things-
and
you
know
this
area-
is
the
tarpon
springs,
greek
town,
historic
district
that
was
approved
by
the
federal
government.
Again,
there's
been,
I
think
the
prior
administrations
were
lacks
in
not
addressing
these
sooner,
but
we
can't.
We
don't
have
a
time
machine.
We
can't
go
back
so
we
got
to.
F
We
got
to
live
with
what
we
got
to
do
now,
but
you
know
we
and
the
the
cultural
and
characteristics
I
see
that
the
cultural
and
characteristics
of
our
town,
not
only
greek,
but
we
have
a
working
waterfront.
This
is
a
unique
town.
You
know
the
and
the
I
appreciate
the
blue
and
white.
It's
nice,
for
you
know
like
a
novelty
thing,
but
that's
not
enough
to
I
guarantee
to
make
the
greek
community
warm
and
fuzzy
we
need.
We
need
an
interaction
and
I'm
going
to
ask.
R
Can
I
can,
I
add
something
else
please
good
evening:
everyone,
my
name
is
elisa
friche,
I'm
the
wife
of
benedict
fritcha,
owner
of
of
the
best
western
place
dunedin
and
hampton
in
dunedin
just
wanted
to
add,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you.
We
appreciate
the
comments
and
we
really
admire
how
much
everyone
is.
You
know
putting
an
effort
to
be
here
and
to
defend
the
town,
because
that's
what
it
should
be
about
should
be
about
defending
what
you
know
everyone
believes
in
and
we
are
you
know
we
are
palm
harbor
residents.
R
We
used
to
be
dunedin
residents
before
and
definitely
visit.
Tarpon
springs
a
lot
with
our
family
and
we
love
it.
Have
many
many
greek
friends
and
just
wanted
to
come
in
to
say
about
the
design,
because
I
know
it's
been.
You
know
a
hot
topic
tonight.
So
if
you
see
the
picture
down
there
of
the
hampton
in
dunedin,
we
went
through
the
same
process
with
the
city
of
dunedin,
where
people
were
concerned
about
the
way
the
hotel,
the
hampton
inn
was
going
to
look
like.
R
Just
like
majority
of
hotels
today
and
with
the
help
of
the
city
of
dunedin-
and
you
know,
obviously
our
architects
we
were
able
to
you-
know,
come
to
an
agreement
and
something
that
really
looked
more
coastal
and
add
a
little
more
flavor
to
the
city
and
that's
what
we
probably
would
like
to
do
here
as
well,
so
we
just
needed
to
come
today
present.
R
You
know
what
the
idea
is,
because
we
love
tarpon
springs
and
we
see
that
it
is
a
day
trip
destiny,
a
destination
right
now
we
want
to
make
it
a
destination
instead,
a
place
where
people
look
forward
to
come
for
many
days,
not
just
for
a
day
trip
for
a
couple
hours
and
then
go
back
and
spend
you
know
their
dollars
in
dunedin
or
clue,
water
or
anywhere
else.
It
will
be,
you
know
and
adding
it
will
add.
R
You
know
value
to
the
city
and
to
the
merchants
in
the
city,
I'm
sure
they
appreciate
a
hotel
coming
into
the
city,
just
like
the
merchants
in
dunedin
did
as
well.
So
with
that
said,
as
you
can
see,
the
hampton
in
dunedin
is
not
just
a
typical
hampton
inn.
R
You
see
the
variety
of
colors
that
were
added,
you
see
the
roofing
aspects,
so
if
it's
economically
feasible,
we
can
come
to
an
agreement,
and
obviously
you
know
have
that
discussion,
but
tonight
we're
not
talking
about
the
sign
tonight,
we're
talking
about
just
the
use
of
the
land
so,
but
thank
you
so
much.
F
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
unique
question.
I
you
know
we've
had
our
board
here
really
tries
to
work
with
developers
and
projects
and
oftentimes.
F
You
know
we.
We
ask
things
to
slow
down
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
get
things
so
we
can
get
to
where
we
want
to
go
and
again
we
we
need.
We
need
to
have
community
involvement,
it's
critical
because
this
again,
like
I
said
this
is
this-
is
a
project
that
will
impact
one
of
the
most
sensitive
areas,
the
most
sensitive
area
in
our
town.
N
We
were
just
speaking
about
that
and
candidly.
The
request
before
you
tonight
is
the
conditional
use
and
it's
the
use.
And
while
we
hear
everything
you're
saying
about
the
design-
and
it
is
extremely
well
received-
as
you
just
heard
from
the
applicant
and
the
assurances
that
they
would
do
that,
they're
they're,
just
like
you-
want
to
see
a
process-
that's
not
articulated
in
your
code,
but
is
your
desire
as
a
purchaser
of
a
piece
of
property.
N
N
F
F
D
D
H
And
keep
in
mind
you've
mentioned
that
now
a
couple
times,
so
I
think
that
anyone
who's
paying
attention
is
well
aware
that
that
is
not
your
intention
and
again
you're,
not
here,
to
decide
the
site
plan
approval
that
will
come
back
before
you
and
some
of
those
other
things.
But
again
the
only
application
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
permit
understanding.
Some
of
these
things
can
go
into
the
criteria.
H
Helping
and
we've
had
this
conversation
before
trying
to
help
the
applicant
design
their
project,
for
them
is
not
this
board's
job.
I
know
you
want
it
to
be,
but
it
is
not
so.
At
this
point
I
would
just
ask
that
you
guys
continue
to
keep
one,
have
questions
and
continue
to
keep
your
questions
focused
on
the
criteria
for
the
conditional
use
permit.
G
H
G
H
And,
and
as
I
say
in
my
quasi-judicial
announcement,
every
time
we
have
these
meetings,
there
are
criteria
in
your
code
that
the
board
of
commissioners
has
developed.
Your
job
is
to
take
the
evidence,
that's
presented
and
apply
that
evidence
to
the
criteria
and
if
it
meets
the
criteria,
you
are
required
to
grant
the
application.
If
it
does
not
meet
the
criteria,
you
are
required
to
recommend
denial
of
the
application.
So
again,
that's
your
job.
H
You
are
not
here
to
be
mediators
or
arbiters
or
designers
or
architects,
and
help
the
developer
get
to
where
they
need
to
go.
However,
that
being
said,
you
do
have
the
ability
to
give
conditions
that
are
related
to
the
criteria
in
the
application
process
to
help
the
board
of
commissioners
in
making
their
decision.
Remember,
your
job
is
to
advise
the
board
of
commissioners
from
the
planning
and
zoning
perspective.
G
But
you
know
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
aisle
with
it,
with
the
tacit
approval
on
something
that
we're
just
going
to
throw
out
later
on
I'd
like
to
work
it
through,
and
I
understand
where
you
go.
I
understand
your
comment,
but
for
the
benefit
of
I'm
not,
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
help
the
the
applicant,
but
I
am
helping
the
applicant
because
something
we
want
to
see
happen
in
tarpon
and
we
want.
We
want
it
to
go
smoothly
smoothly
and
not
have
to
make
when
they
come
back
with
their
site
plan.
G
H
Well,
it's
your
conditional
use.
So
if
you're
saying
that
it's
not
a
compe,
it's
not
compatible
with
the
surrounding
areas
and
to
make
it
compatible
with
the
surrounding
areas.
You
would
condition
it
on
certain
recommendations,
then.
Yes,
I
would
say
that
is
something
that
you
can
do,
because
that
is
one
of
your
criteria
for
your
conditional
use
and
remember
I'm
not
here
to
be
adversarial
to
you.
I
am
here
to
give
you
legal
representation
and
advise
you
to
make
sure
whatever
decision
you
make
can
withstand
an
appeal.
Okay,.
G
M
J
Mike
can
I
add
on
to
that
question
my
question
is:
will
you
consider
an
elevation
change
as
it
relates
to,
of
course,
so
the
answer
is
yes.
Okay.
I
got
another
question
with
regards
to
the
discussions
regarding
height.
Q
J
J
Q
If
it
makes
economical
sense
right,
I'm
open
to
do
any
things
right,
accommodate
architecture
right,
but
everything
has
a
cost
right.
Building
construction
is
up
30
today,
since
2018,
for
example,
I
just
want
to
make
you
understand
that,
like
we're,
trying
to
be
here,
invest
into
the
community
a
lot
of
money,
a
lot
of
our
energy
right
and
create
something
which
which
wasn't
there
before
right,
which
never
has
been.
Q
Therefore,
before
and
tarpon
springs,
has
obviously
a
huge
need
for
hotels,
since
there
really
is
maybe
one
or
two,
and
they
are
both
on
us
19
right.
So
as
all
the
questions
where,
regarding
architecture,
we
we
are
open
for
anything,
it
just
has
to
make
economic
sense
right.
So
as
long
as
you
understand
that
I
understand
what
you're
asking
so
you're.
Q
Any
discussion
I'm
open,
I'm
an
open
book
for
you.
I
will
listen
to
anybody
who.
J
I've
got
another
one
though
I
want
to
ask
you
about,
because
you
know
I
am
familiar
with
the
various
brands
of
the
hotel
chains
and
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
co-branding
done
with
these
hotels.
Hilton's,
especially
hilton,
is
one.
Would
you
also
entertain
a
co-branding
of
that
hotel,
such
as
good
example?
I'm
not
going
to
say
it's
the
one
I
would
use,
but
I
see
that
are
you,
the
developer
of
santorini
development.
Q
Hilton,
I'm
planning
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
good.
We
would
like
to
have
have
it
named
something
in
the
in
the
in
the
line
of
you
know
home
tour
home
to
at
the
sponge
dogs
or
something
with
the
spanish,
because
the
spawn
strokes
obviously
are
very
important
to
us,
because
it
draws
a
huge
crowd.
It's
very
popular.
We
we
understand
the
value,
the
value
it
has
to
everybody
right
so
yeah,
but
it
would
be
a
home
too.
As
of
right
now.
Okay,.
J
Okay,
I
have
my
last
questions
with
the
our
attorney.
So
again,
I'm
new
to
this,
so
this
conditional
or
in
the
staff
recommendations
that
they
made.
So,
as
I
understand
we
can,
in
addition
to
what
staff
is
recommending,
we
should
address
or
look
at
can.
Can
we
add
such
things
as
elevation,
review,
height
and.
H
They
were
amended
following
conditions;
they
didn't
recommend
approval.
No,
I
didn't
say
it
okay,
so
so
my
you
can
make
conditions
you
can
recommend
conditions
to
the
board
of
commissioners
as
long
as
they
are
related
to
the
criteria
for
a
conditional
use
permit.
So
if,
in
your
judgment,
they
are
related
to
the
criteria-
and
you
can
tie
that
to
the
criteria,
then
you
can
make
that
recommendation
or
that
condition
keep
in
mind.
What
we've
been
mostly
talking
about
is.
H
The
second
criterion,
which
is
the
proposed
use,
is
appropriate
to
the
property
in
question
and
compatible
with
the
area,
that's
kind
of
where
all
these
things
have
been
housed.
So
we
just
need
to
make
sure
if
you're
going
to
make
a
condition,
and
it
falls
within
that
that
you're
specific
about
how
you're
making
that
condition.
Remember
it's
just
it's
a
recommended
condition
based
on
your
recommendation
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
Well,.
D
I
think
a
good
bit
of
it
falls
under
number
four.
Also
it
does
the
historical
environment
well,
and
the
environmental.
D
Okay,
but
before
we
go
on
into
the
public
comment
section
of
the
meeting,
we
would
like
to
take
a
a
five-minute
recess
and
we'll
return
momentarily
and.
D
D
All
right,
this
opens
our
public
comment.
Portion
of
the
meeting.
The
the
first
invited
to
make
public
comment
would
be
anyone
requesting
affected
party
status.
Do
we
have
anyone.
H
And
mr
chair,
while
they're
coming
up
in
and
doing
that,
might
I
make
a
suggestion.
You
know.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
the
architectural
design
of
the
building
in
keeping
with
the
cultural
heritage
of
the
area
in
speaking
with
staff.
Perhaps
what
we
can
do
is
as
a
condition
of
approval
or,
if
you
so
choose,
to
recommend
approval
that
an
element
that
element
talking
about
architectural
design.
H
D
H
H
H
S
My
name
is
michael
houlis.
I
live
at
1504,
riverside
drive,
tarpon
springs,
but
my
kids
and
my
brother-
and
I
we
own
some
property-
that's
almost
adjacent
to
this
property.
It's
at
801,
dodecanese,
boulevard
and
625
hope
street
used
to
be
known
as
mama
papa's
gift
shop,
and
now
it's
a
gift
shop
by
a
different
name.
That
has
a
residence
in
the
back
and
by
the
way
it
has
a
homestead
in
it.
So
there's
two
homesteads
involved
instead
of
one
and
there's
an
apartment
on
top
of
the
gift
shop.
H
S
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
vesey.
You
came
up
with
a
very
good
point,
very
common
sense
about
the
roadway
and
the
closing
of
that
road.
In
case
anybody
doesn't
know
it
that
road
does
in
east
is
closed
anywhere
between
15
and
27
days
a
year
for
one
festival
or
the
other.
That's
the
front
door
to
the
sponge
exchange.
S
The
two
major
roads
that
are
the
back
door
to
the
spongy
exchange
are
hope,
street
and
hill
street,
and
if
we
do
away
with
hill
street
we're
going
to
be
slamming
the
back
door
for
so
for
safety
purposes,
it
shouldn't,
be,
it
shouldn't,
be
vacated,
it's
an
actually
used
road.
It
gets
used
every
day,
even
the
pitchers,
when
they
showed
it,
showed
cars
up
and
down.
This
is
not
a
dead
alley.
S
This
is
the
way
you
if
you're,
coming
from
town
going
north
on
hope
street
when
you
get
to
the
top
of
the
street,
and
you
see
that
there's
a
a
festival
going
on
or
you
see
a
high
tide
like
today,
and
you
see
that
you
cannot
go
forward.
You
know
what
you
do.
You
turn
left
on
hill
street
and
you
go
down
to
roosevelt
so
for
safety
purposes
it
you
have
to
have
that
road
and
I
don't
know
too
much
about
the
law.
S
S
S
That
doesn't
make
common
sense
and
if
you
do
such
a
thing,
you'll
have
everybody
and
their
brother
making
application
on
other
people's
properties,
normally
there's
a
contract
for
sale,
it's
under
contract,
and
then
they
make
an
application.
In
this
case,
it's
a
hypothetical
cancellation
of
a
road,
a
road
that's
actually
used
and
by
the
way,
if
you
look
at
all
the
roads
between
duterte's,
hope
street
athens
street,
you
know
what
the
finest
road
is
in
the
sponge
docks
hill
street.
It's
curved
is
paved
nicely.
S
It
has
a
nice
slope
to
it
and
it's
not
just
being
closed
in
between
the
applicant's
property
for
all
practical
purposes.
If
you
can't
turn
and
go
west
on
hill
street,
it's
no
good
to
anybody.
You
might
as
well
close
it
all
together
and
give
half
of
it
to
rita
meyer
ghost
that
owns
property
on
hope
street
and
give
the
other
half
to
louise
eccleston,
because
it
won't
do
them
any
good
and
the
city
will
be
maintaining
the
roadway
as
a
personal
driveway
into
the
applicant's
property.
S
By
the
way,
I
think
the
hotel
idea
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
think
he's
got
a
planet
and
submit
it
on
property
he
owns,
and
for
that
reason
you
can
table
it
or
you
can
reject
it,
just
based
on
that
and
that's
just
pure
common
sense.
By
the
way
I
have
a
little
bit
of
legal
experience,
but
not
much,
but
I
think
you
you
pass
mustard
on
it
and
otherwise
you're
gonna
open
up
pandora's
box
all
over
town.
Now
the
issues
about
the
color
of
the
building
the
height.
S
All
of
that
is
expensive
jargon,
and
why
go
through
that?
If
this
road
isn't
vacated
that'll
force
the
buildings
to
be
in
two
different
locations
and
may
reduce
the
size,
the
height
and
everything
else
and
it'll
probably
include
increase
the
footprint
like
mister
kulianis,
wanted
the
footprint
maybe
to
be
bigger,
but
that's
common
sense.
I
don't
know,
but
if
you
have
any
questions
to
me,
fine,
that's
about
all.
I
have
to
say
on
the
subject.
S
L
Hello,
my
name
is
irene
kutzeraz
and
I
live
at
611
hop
street
and
my
house
is
right
on
the
corner
of
hope
and
hill.
So
it
is.
I
don't
know
how
high
they're
they're
expecting
to
close
the
street.
What
are
they
going
to
leave
they're
going
to
leave
part
of
my
property
on
hill
street?
I
can't
go
down
and,
like
mr
hula
says
it
floods
and
when
dorica
needs
floods,
nobody
can
go
down,
they
have
hill
street
to
go
or
they
will
be
making
circles
back
to
on
hope
street.
L
L
So
those
are
the
things
that
you
should
consider
and
decide
what
to
do,
but
hill
street,
it's
a
very
important
street
for
that
development
and
plus
the
flooding
on
odoricanes
when
it
happens,
and
it's
not
only
through
the
hurricanes,
the
flooding.
I
know
most
of
you
from
tarpon
know
that
it's
also
when
the
tides
are
high
and
the
tides
back
into
hope
street
any
floods
all
the
way
from
practically
roosevelt
all
the
way
down
to
athens
street.
L
M
M
M
It
would
be
a
short-term
rental.
It's
working
out
great,
but
you
know
I
may
want
to
be
down
here
full-time
at
some
time
in
the
future,
so
I
may
homestead
that
or
some
future
owner
might
do
the
same
thing.
So
the
fact
that
it's
currently
used
as
a
short-term
rental-
I
don't
think-
should
have
any
factor
in
the
impact
to
me
or
future
owners
concerned
about
the
height
I'm
very
concerned
about
hill
street
when
they
close
are
they
going
to?
M
D
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
else
requesting
affected
party
status.
T
Hi,
my
name
is
georgina
francis,
I'm
an
affected
party
in
two
senses.
I
live
on
15
athens
street
and
my
dad
and
my
cousin
are
property
owners
at
the
sponge
docks
and
one
day,
they'll
be
inheriting
that
property
as
well.
T
Let
it
be
clear:
the
sponge
doc
does
docs
does
not
need
a
hotel.
Will
it
bring
value
most
definitely,
but
the
word
need
is
being
misplaced.
It's
a
dangerous
dangerous
word
that
politicians
use
to
pass
bills
and
do
homework
later,
and
unfortunately,
I've
seen
this
already
happening
within
our
community.
This
is
conditional
use.
Misinformation
is
being
spread
on
facebook-
oh
it's
just
so
a
hotel
can
be
here.
No,
it
is
so
this
hotel
can
be
here
not
just
a
hotel
somewhere
in
the
sponge
docks.
T
T
So
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
the
spongebox
has
survived
hurricanes.
The
pandemic
pandemic
brought
most
small
businesses
and
small
tourist
locations
to
its
knees,
but
not
the
sponge
ducks.
We
survived
it
and
we're
thriving.
I
was
there
yesterday
I
drove
down
hill
street
to
park
and
that's
you
know
the
comm.
We
have
local
the
locals,
go
to
the
sponge
docks
and
they
know
those
areas
where
to
park.
Okay-
and
I
went
there
and
it's
thriving-
we
actually
there's
not
enough
people
to
work.
T
The
docks
I
saw
david
running
his
store
had
one
store
closed,
so
we're
doing
good.
We
don't
need
this,
but
it
will
bring
value
I'll.
Give
that
and
I'd
like
to
mr
kulianis
brought
up
the
idea
of
tabling
this
into
workshops.
We've
had
a
workshop,
I
attended
one,
it
was
a
joke,
but
they
had
one.
I
think
this
one
will
be
productive
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
will
be
in
attendance.
I
think
the
fact
that
they
were
not
even
considering
it
is
something
that
you
guys
should
also
consider
in
your
vote.
T
We
don't
want
what
happened
with
anclote
harbors
to
happen
again,
and
that
will
happen
if
this
goes
forward
and
it's
an
embarrassment
to
our
city
to
see
that
division.
We
don't
want
that.
It's
embarrassment
to
tarpon,
it
looks
like
we
don't
know
what
we're
doing
looks
like
looks
like
we
don't
have
a
feel
for
our
community,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
true
and
this
pushing
this
through
without
the
community
buying
without
the
community
involvement
and
interaction.
T
T
Another
point
that
a
lot
of
people
brought
up
is
that
the
historic
there's,
no
ordinances-
and
I
think
it
was
a
really
interesting
when
mr
cuscudus
asked
miss
vincent
that
question
or
and
ms
vincent
in
the
legal
field,
we
recall
she
objected
to
the
form
of
that
question.
She
thought
it
was
unfair,
but
what
she
did
end
up
doing.
T
That
was
that
she
proved
his
point
because
she
said
well,
no,
that's
an
unfair
question
because
there
is
so
there's
no
such
ordinance
and
there
can
be
an
ordinance
and,
as
it's
been
pointed
out,
yeah,
it's
not
done
yet
okay,
but
we
do
have
a
new
board
and
they
are
getting
things
done
and
I
think
the
community
has
noticed
that
there
was
also
some
discussion
and
again
there
seemed
like
a
very
nice
family,
the
fritz's
I
apologize.
My
name
has
been
mispronounced
more
than
you
can
count,
but
I
don't
think
they
know.
T
Tarpon
tarpon
has
not
done
eden.
Anyone
that's
been
in
tarpon
knows
it's
not
like
any
other
place.
Greek,
it's
not
even
like
people
that
come
from
other
greek
cities
in
the
in
the
country.
It
is
different,
it's
its
own
animal
good
with
the
bad,
but
that's
the
truth,
and-
and
I
know
it
was
poor-
word
choice
I
think,
but
she
said
that
we're
here
to
defend
our
city
yeah
we
are,
but
that
word
choice
makes
it
feel
like
we're
under
attack,
and
I
don't
like
that
word
choice
because
we
will
defend
it.
D
Any
other
affected
party
status,
folks,
okay,
we
can
begin
the
general
public
comment.
Then,
let's
begin
with
public
in
favor
comments
to
start
it
out
in
favor.
Yes,.
L
Good
evening
again,
anita
pros91
bayshore
drive
I'm
in
favor
of
a
hotel
down
to
sponge
docks.
I
said
I
think
it
would
be
very
good
to
have
one
and
I'm
glad
that
they've
come
forth
for
30
years.
We
have
wanted
a
hotel
in
tarpon
or
at
the
sponge
docks,
and
if
you
recall
previous
mayor,
that's
all
he
talked
about,
but
it
didn't
materialize.
When
I
was
mayor
they
all
came
down.
We
had
the
holiday
motel,
we
had
the
hilton
here.
L
Well
with
what
they've
the
hotel
people
have
presented
and
given
a
test
two
that
people
would
stay
my
main
concern
and
why
I'm
here
tonight
is-
and
I
know
what
we're
listening
to
tonight-
and
I
know
what
the
purpose
is.
My
concern
is
hill
street.
L
We
should
not
vacate
hill
street.
We
should
not
vacate
any
streets
in
tarpon
that
have
been
here
for
hundreds
of
years
and
it
is
a
historic
street.
Even
they
said,
though
they
say
it's
not
a
historic
district.
Today
the
tide
was
so
high
in
tarpon
springs.
It
was
over
the
sidewalk
at
the
by
you
starting
to
come
up
some
of
the
steps.
That's
how
high
it
was
when
you
went
down
to
the
docks
and
you
go
down
hope
street,
it
was
flooded.
L
You
should
not
vacate
any
streets
because
you
say
you
don't
need
it
now,
but
you
may
need
it
10
or
15
years
down
the
road.
We
even
fought
a
dirt
road.
That's
on
the
county
map
in
city
map
not
to
be
vacated,
because
it
may
be
needed
one
day
and
it
can
cause
a
hazard
when
you
go
down
hope
street
and
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
and
a
lot
of
tourists.
You
can't
turn
left
or
right.
L
Hill
street
serves
a
purpose,
so
maybe
we
need
to
ask
them
to
squeeze
in
a
little
bit
and
not
vacate
hill
street
and
it's
unfair
to
the
citizens
of
tarpon
that
own
that
property
on
hill
street,
and
we
all
do
because
it's
within
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
that
asks
them
to
give
it
up.
Hill
street
is
very
important
to
us
very
important
to
the
area
and
very
important
to
the
sponge
docs.
L
E
Elias
garnicus,
I
live
at
1482
hill
view
lane
here
to
disappoint
everyone.
I
would
be
for
a
hotel
there,
specifically
because
it
could
be
used
to
improve
the
infrastructure
like
I.
I
don't
think
they
should
cut
that
road.
E
That
road
is
needed
and
the
site
plan
looks
like
it
has
way
so
much
parking
just
way
too
much
parking
where
it
would
only
really
be
reasonable
if
that
also
partially
became
public
parking
or
the
hotel
like
lended
out,
not
rented
out
the
extra
spots
as
public
parking,
but
the
hotel
being
there
would
incentivize
us
to
do
whatever
mechanisms
we
need
to
do
to
get.
The
jolly
trolley
running
through
tarpon
springs
three
or
four
times
an
hour,
and
that
would
be
a
huge
benefit
to
like
everything
on
alt
19..
E
It's
a
pretty
good
location.
It's
unfortunate
that
we
don't
have
like
enough
rentals
within
the
city
itself.
That
would
be
appropriate
for
this
kind.
That's
like
a
standard
hotel,
but
in
terms
of
the
elevation,
make
it
taller
smaller
footprint,
less
parking
that
would
eliminate
the
need
to
even
vacate
the
road.
You
can
keep
it
there
as
long
as
they
can
as
they're
willing
if
they
are
willing
to
share
their
parking
lot
and
they
are
willing
to
help
with
the
water
infrastructure
to
keep
the
road
draining.
E
Everything
should
be
fine,
I'm
sorry,
the
time
isn't
going.
E
Yeah
you
as
long
as
the
people
immediately
around
it
like
aren't,
going
to
put
up,
are
going
to
agree
and
are
consulted
with
the
roads
can
be
managed
and
for
dodecanese
flooding.
I
think
we
need
to
just
accept
that,
because
it
used
to
be
wood,
docks
and
it
used
to
flood.
It
always
has
been
flooded.
E
So
if
we
can
move
the
sponge
docks
like
backwards
in
terms
of
like
moving
the
main
traffic,
keeping
the
for
the
dodecanese
as
the
working
waterfront
road,
but
maintaining
infrastructure,
so
that,
like
roosevelt,
this,
this
hotel
could
also
help
bolster
that
where
that
back
path
becomes
stronger
and
is
cleared
out
so
that
traffic
can
get
in
and
out.
E
I
just
think
a
bigger
institution
in
this
kind
of
development
would
be
beneficial
in
helping
the
city
improve
some
things,
such
as
the
streets
and
sidewalks
heading
to
downtown,
because
we
would
actually
have
like
people
and
people
staying
all
day.
E
K
K
K
I
am
not
greek,
but
I've
been
in
this
community
for
a
long
long
time,
and
I
I
have
said
in
the
past
that
if
you
came
to
me
20
years
ago,
I
would
say:
do
it
just
the
way
it
is,
but
now
that
I
am
50
years
in
this
city,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
preserve
what
we're
doing
and
look
at
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
property
that
has
sold.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
pieces
of
property
before
you
know
it.
K
B
B
How
many
of
you
have
ever
been
and
stayed
at
a
home
too
hilton,
hilton,
home
too
anybody
they
are
fantastic.
I
don't
think
I
have
ever
in
my
travels
and
I've
traveled.
A
lot
ever
stayed
at
a
nicer
place
than
the
home
to
hilton.
It
was
clean
immaculate,
the
care
was
wonderful
and
I
would
really
really
be
a
good
asset
for
this
community
people
will
come
here
and
they
will
spend
money.
B
K
Hi
ray
sieber
828-830,
deutsche
nes,
I'm
here
to
speak
as
a
business
owner,
I'm
on
the
board
of
the
merchants
association
and
have
owned
businesses
on
the
sponge
talks
to
since
2009
we
have
approximately
1500
businesses
in
tarpon,
we've
gone
through
some
hard
times
in
the
last
two
years
and
our
rents
are
raising
like
crazy.
K
My
rent
went
up
2
000
a
month
in
january,
so
where's
that
extra
revenue
gonna
come
from
most
of
our
business
owners
that
I've
talked
to
are
really
in
support
of
a
hotel
because
it's
it's
needed
it's
necessary.
K
Our
number
one
industry
in
this
town
is
tourism,
yet
we
have
no
place
for
our
tourists
to
stay,
except
for
maybe
the
hampton
inn.
So
there
are
many
reasons
for
us
needing
a
hotel.
The
site
plan
is
not
what
we're
here
to
discuss,
and
I
know
that's
something.
That's
been
a
big
concern.
K
You
know
for
a
lot
of
people
and
and
for
you
all
tonight,
so
what
I'd
like
is
to
see
us
go
to
the
next
step
as
a
proof,
the
conditional
use
and
then
work
with
the
developer
and
the
architects
on
the
site
plan.
K
I
heard
a
lot
about
the
theme
of
the
sponge
ducks
and
the
historical
view
or
the
look
of
the
sponge
docks.
What
exactly
is
the
theme
or
the
historical
view
of
the
sponge
ducks?
K
Several
people
have
said:
it's
really
a
combination,
there's
a
lot
of
different
types
of
architecture
on
the
sponge
docks
and
this
would
fit
the
criteria.
This
hotel
would
fit
the
criteria.
So
I
just
you
know,
want
to
make
that
clear
that
it
would
fit
the
criteria
we
are
a
destination.
We
always
have
been
so
people
come,
they
spend
few
hours
here
and
then
there's
a
mass
exodus.
K
We
not
only
would
it
help
the
sponge
docs,
but
our
whole
community
people
would
stay
here
longer.
They
would
visit
our
stores,
our
businesses,
our
restaurants.
We
did
go
around
as
a
merchant's
association
and
to
take
a
poll
of
some
business
owners
and
we
didn't
have
very
much
time.
Two
days
so
I
did
give
kim,
I
think,
four
pages
of
signatures
of
business
owners
who
would
like
to
have
the
hotel
here
and
I'm
sure,
there's
many
more.
It's
just
that.
K
I
know
that
you
know
you
said
we're
doing
great
down
there,
but
if
you
don't
own
a
business
down
there
and
you
don't
go
through
the
tourist
season
and
then
the
september,
which
is
always
the
worst
month
of
the
year,
you
realize
that
we've
got
to
make
up
the
difference
somewhere
and
a
hotel
would
definitely
you
know,
give
us
some
of
those
answers,
so
I'm
definitely
in
for
and
for
the
hotel,
and
I
think
that
I'll
speak
for
or
they're
going
to
speak
for
the
merchants
association
as
well.
Thank
you.
L
Hi
I'm
sherry
wendt.
I
live
at
1214,
riverside
drive.
I've
been
here
about
10
years,
I'm
vice
president
on
the
merchant
board,
and
a
lot
of
things
have
been
discussed
tonight,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
what
I'm
really
hoping
comes
out
of
this.
It's
it's
been
probably
10
years,
since
we
had
a
really
good
possibility
of
having
a
hotel
and
now
we've
got
people
that
are
here
and
they
actually
are
willing
to
work
with
us
and
I'm
talking
about
both
sides.
L
So
maybe
this
is
the
first
time
ever
that
that
maybe
we
can
actually
find
some
source
of
an
agreement
that
we
can
come
together.
If
you
don't
go
forward
tonight
to
at
least
give
them
the
opportunity
to
give
you
the
rest
of
their
ideas,
and
we
could
try
to
come
to
a
compromise,
then
after
we
get
through
this,
probably
no
one
will
ever
come
back
to
us
for
a
hotel.
L
L
So
this
isn't
just
one
entity:
that's
involved.
You've
got
your
whole
city
involved
and
it'll.
It
it'll
make
a
huge
difference.
I'm
just
asking.
I
know
you've
asked
a
lot
of
questions,
but
we're
really
we're
to
the
point:
where
are
we
just
going
to
give
this
man
a
chance,
and
then
we
could
go
with
all
the
rest
of
the
questions
and
see
if
he
will
live
up
to
what
he
said.
He's
saying
I
will
work
with
you.
L
Well,
let's
just
give
him
the
opportunity
to
prove
that,
and
he
will
work
with
us
and
then
maybe
we
can
actually
for
the
one
first
time.
Maybe
we
can
all
come
together
and
agree
on
something
that
will
really
make
a
difference
and
I'm
speaking
for
the
merchants
that
I've
I
if
you
are
a
merchant,
you
are
a
business
person.
L
B
B
I
do
believe-
and
I
hope
they're
willing
to
work
with
the
committee
to
maybe
make
the
adjustments
that
we're
all
going
to
want,
but
I
think
we
really
should
give
him
an
opportunity
and
see
where
it
goes.
I
know
there's
a
hill
street
problem
that
we
can
work
within
that
work
with
architecture
design
I
mean
I
I
both
of
my
stores
are
in
square
buildings,
so
I
don't
know
what
greek
looks
like
you
know.
I
know
you
have
the
acropolis
in
greece,
but
you
don't
have
it
here,
I'm
in
square
buildings.
B
E
Evening,
athena
sardoulius
630
for
each
orange
treat
tarpon
springs.
I'm
also
owner
of
tarpon
sponge
inc,
735,
dodecanese
boulevard
started
by
my
father
40
years
ago,
and
I've
been
there
for
25
years.
So
I
think
that
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
knowledge
about
what
what
is
needed
down
there
and
what
goes
on
down
there.
E
E
I
I
hope
that
maybe
that's
a
location
that
you
might
consider,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
are
aware
of
it,
but
that's
a
perfect
location.
Anyway.
I
am
very
concerned
about
hill
street
everything
everyone's
talking
about
the
flooding
is
absolutely
true.
Most
times
to
get
to
my
business,
I
have
to
use
hill
street.
I
think
it
would
be
a
grievous
mistake
to
vacate
hill
street
if
you
all
decide
to
put
a
hotel
here
and
allow
it
something's
got
to
be
done.
We
cannot
be.
We
cannot
vacate
that
street.
E
E
I
just
don't
think
this
is
the
right
spot
for
a
hotel
of
this
size.
If
it
could
be
somehow
worked
out
where
it's
much
smaller,
doesn't
the
footprint
isn't
as
large?
We
don't
have
to
give
up
hill
street,
maybe
this
property.
I
believe
several
years
ago,
I'm
trying
to
remember
we
were
in
here.
I
don't
know
it
was
another
developer
that
was
interested
in
putting
a
hotel
here.
I
don't
know
what
happened.
It
fell
apart.
E
E
Let's
really
do
everything
we
can
to
attract
a
boutique
hotel
to
that
property.
It's
adjacent
to
us
19
via
live
oak.
It's
natural
we're
not
going
to
be
impacting
traffic
further
on
dodecanese
to
get
to
this
hotel
so
anyway,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
quite
passionate
about
this.
If
my
thoughts
are
being
a
little
scattered,
but
we
have
to
remember
our
claim
to
fame
the
working
waterfront,
the
small
town
atmosphere,
the
greek
heritage,
I
don't
care
if
you
make
this
thing,
look
like
the
parthenon.
It's
still
going
to
be
in
the
wrong
place
and
too
big.
E
O
O
O
They
didn't
include
staff,
so,
let's
just
call
it
500
trips
they'd
have
to
be
funneled
through
the
district,
either
up
dodecanese
or
down
roosevelt
and
then
through
other
streets
in
the
district.
Those
streets
are
already
overburdened
with
traffic.
I
know
I
live
on
athens
street
and
it
hasn't
been
very
nice
during
the
last
tourist
season
to
have
the
constant
traffic
going
up
and
down
that
street.
O
I
also
believe
that
the
planning
staff
have
provided
an
analysis
that
is
flawed
in
many
ways
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
of
that
and
so
overall.
I
think
that
the
conditional
use
permit
for
such
for
such
a
hotel
should
be
refused
so
specific
responses
to
staff
comments,
and
if
I
go
over
time,
I
do
have
another
person
here
who
will
give
me
an
extra
four
minutes.
O
O
Greek
town
is
comprised
of
various
building
types
and
uses
from
one
story:
residential
structures
to
the
turtle,
cove
storage,
which
is
four
stories
well
really
in
that
area.
It's
mostly
one
or
two
stories
with
maybe
pappas
is
three
stories.
Turtle
cove
is
four.
It
is
also
not
technically
in
the
greek
town
district,
the
other.
The
later
on
the
staff
provided
other
building
types.
They
call
they
talked
about
the
fellopta
host
hall
and
said
it
was
35
feet.
O
I
checked
on
the
county
records
it's
two
stories
and
I
also
checked
tried
to
check
online
and
typically,
two
stories
is
only
20.
Some
feet,
so
I
don't
think
that's
35
feet,
so
they
talked
about
the
tarpon
tower.
That
is
literally
two
miles
away
and
it's
near
19..
I
don't
see
how
that
is
relevant
at
all
the
they
also
say.
The
proposed
hotel
color
palette
was
chosen
to
complement
the
greek
heritage.
O
Greek
town
is
not
greek
disney
world,
we
are
a
real
greek
community
and
there
is
a
vernacular
architecture
in
that
community
and
it's
not
the
architecture
of
the
kiklatis
islands,
which
is.
Is
that
the
four
minute?
Yes,
oh
okay,
do
I
you
need
the
name
of
the
person
giving
me
the
minutes.
O
O
O
Also,
they
talk
about
special
area
considerations.
Again,
these
plans
are
being
revised.
Many
items
in
the
plans
which
were
written
in
in
2011,
which
was
before
the
greektown
historic
district,
was
put
on
the
national
register
were
were
shot
down
during
the
community
debate
in
2014
over
the
city's
proposed
gentrification
of
the
sponge
docks.
O
O
O
Also,
I
think
there
is
a
problem
in
looking
at
the
area
and
that
is
constantly
being
referred
to
as
a
business
district.
Actually
there
are,
there
is
a
full
residential
district
in
just
a
few
blocks
of
that
site,
and
you
can
see
it
on
the
photographs,
but
it's
not
really
referred
to.
The
business
district
on
dodecanese
is
just
as
far
away,
and
that
is
what
is
being
referred
to
because
it's
part
of
the
special
area,
but
should
we
overlook
the
needs
of
the
residents
that
are
just
as
close,
I
think
not.
O
Comprehensive
plan
considerations
most
of
the
compre.
They
say
that
that
this
complies
and
they've
looked
at
all
the
comprehensive
plan
considerations,
but
they
are
only
talking
about
the
future.
Land
use
element,
not
the
historic
element,
and
I
think
that
is
of
primary
importance
when
dealing
with
the
greek
town,
historic
district.
This
is
a
unique
district
in
the
state
and
in
the
country
and
having
a
hotel.
O
Also,
there
is
a
policy
in
the
historic
resources
element
that
talks
about
the
city
studying
the
residential
area.
Now
they
were
talking
about
the
downtown
historic
district,
but
that
they
wrote
this
before
the
greektown
district
came
in
to
be
that
the
city
should
study
the
residential
area
and
the
commercial
area
of
the
historic
districts
within
three
years
to
evaluate
any
conflicts
between
zoning
regulations
and
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
historic
resources
element
that,
as
far
as
I
know,
was
not
overdone.
O
Also,
I
find
that
when
the
staff
has
referred
to
uses
that
the
property
has
been
put
to,
the
sap
also
talks
about
balancing
the
needs
of
the
business
part
of
it
with
the
needs
of
the
residents,
and
I
think
again
that
should
be
maintained
in
any
consideration
of
a
hotel.
Thank
you.
B
Hello,
my
name
is
chris
christopolous.
I
live
at
1406
ford
avenue.
I
also
my
property
owner
at
the
sponge
docs.
My
family
has
been
in
business
at
the
sponge
docs.
If
you
don't
recognize
the
name
crystopolis,
you
probably
recognize
the
name
baleris,
that's
my
family
and
while
I
know
that
there
is
a
desire
for
more,
you
know,
for
for
hotels
and
for
in
for
stays
for
for
folks,
visiting
tarpon
springs.
Tourism
is
our
lifeblood.
B
While
I
think
what
plagued
us
tonight
is
the
fact
that
everyone
knows
that,
there's
a
need
for
a
vision
plan
and
for
and
and
that's
in
the
process,
I
think
a
plan
is
coming
and
I
think
we
need
to
exercise
patience
for
that
and
the
reason
that
I
think
we
have
we
can
exercise
patients
is
that
an
undervalued
resource
that
we
have
are
short-term
rentals
like
airbnb.
B
I
just
did
a
quick,
I
don't
own
airbnb
property,
but
I
just
did
a
quick
search
and
there's
like
300
available
locations
in
and
around
tarpon
springs,
and
so
I
think,
there's
been
a
paradigm
shift
in
what
we
look
at
in
terms
of
available
places
for
tourists
to
stay
in
and
around
tarpon
springs.
B
So,
while
I
think
a
hotel
would
add
value,
it
is
not
urgently
needed
and
therefore
we
can
exercise,
because
you
know
make
no
mistake:
hilton
will
protect
their
brand
and
they
do
have
a
brand
identity
and
it's
time
and
I
think,
we're
in
the
process
of
building
our
brand
identity,
and
we
know
we
all
need
one,
and
we
know
we
don't
we
don't
have
those
parameters
or
that
those
design
parameters
codified.
B
B
Hello,
my
name
is:
excuse
me,
annie,
simarcos,
32,
west
tarpon
avenue.
There
was
a
gentleman
sitting
next
to
me
at
the
start
of
the
meeting
I
didn't
know
he
was
going
to
be
at
tonight's
meeting.
He
is
in
town
for
a
few
days
a
wise
and
holy
man,
and
he
was
getting
ice
cream
in
town
and
he
was
wandering
the
streets
and
and
three
of
the
people
that
are
here
tonight
saw
him
and
brought
him
to
the
meeting,
and
he
knew
this
was
an
issue
tonight
and
on
the
agenda
and
he
had
to
leave.
B
M
While
the
idea
of
a
hotel
in
tarpon
springs
is
good,
like
miss
buklovas
had
stated
what
parameters
or
what
guidelines
do
we
have
to
go
to
protect
us?
The
gentleman
said
in
his
development
in
saint
augustine
that
he's
had
to
fly
through
a
lot
of
hoops,
but
in
following
in
that
he
also
said
that
he
wouldn't
have
to
do
so
here.
M
M
M
M
M
Just
like
our
merchants
say
this
would
help
bring
in
more
tourists
during
what
time
of
year
any
merchant
or
any
family
that's
been
in
tarpon
knows
our
tourist
seasons
are
seasonal,
not
all
year
round
so
granted.
It
may
bring
an
influx
of
people
during
those
times,
but
what
happens
outside
of
that
but
uses
of
99
99
room
hotel
during
our
our
season?
What's
it
going
to
do
for
us?
What's
it
going
to
provide,
don't
know.
N
N
N
N
You
know
get
out
of
the
batter's
box.
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
description,
since
the
rays
are
playing
be
able
to
move
to
the
next
step
and
even
get
to
that
process
where
they
can
have
those
conversations
discuss
it
with
the
merchants
association
discuss
it
with
staff
discuss
with
the
historic
district.
N
But
tonight
the
request
before
you
is
the
approval
of
a
conditional
use
application
where
there's
been
evidence
entered
into
the
record
of
compliance
and
consistency
with
the
criteria,
and
while
we
heard
a
lot
of
opinions
of
how
people
don't
want
you
to
act
on
tonight's
application,
because
there
are
outstanding
questions,
there's
no
alternative
evidence.
That's
in
the
record,
they're.
Simply
suggestions
of
how
to
make
the
ultimate
site
plan
process
go
more
smoothly.
N
D
All
right
that
that
concludes
the
comments,
and
that
brings
the
item
back
to
the
board
for
consideration.
In
order
to
get
to
our
discussion,
we
need
a
motion
and
a
second
and
then
then
the
board
can
discuss.
G
I
make
a
motion
to
approve,
based
on
the
following
conditions:
the
conditions
that
set
forth
by
the
by
staff,
in
addition,
additional
conditions
that
that
the
the
it'd
be
a
four-story
max
no
restaurant
or
bar,
as
they
indicated
that
prior
to
site
plan
approval
that
the
right-of-way
to
hill
street
needs
to
be
vacated
and
that
the
building
design
needs
to
be
consistent
with
the
cultural
heritage
of
the
sponge.
Docks
doesn't
necessarily
mean
greek,
but
the
cultural
heritage
or
the
heritage
of
the
sponge
docks
is
a
working
port.
G
F
Okay,
before
a
second
can
I
can,
I
ask
for
a
amendment
on
that.
H
G
My
family
home
is
on
athens
street
and
I
still
own
property
on
half
the
street
they're
right
when,
when
there's
a
high
tide
and
I've
many
many
times,
I've
gone
down,
hope
street
just
to
take
a
left
and
go
down
hill
street
just
to
leave,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
significantly
address
before.
G
There's
any
site
plan
approval
and
that's
why
it's
conditioned
and
and
so
the
onus
falls
on
the
city,
commission
and
staff
to
come
up
with
a
resolution
as
to
how
to
address
that
problem,
because
it
is
a
significant
problem:
okay
and
then
going
down
athens
street
I've
had
to
back
up
because
the
flooding
has
come
up
afton
street.
So
I'm
suggesting
in
my
motion
that
before
there's
a
site
plan
approval
that
the
vacation
of
the
right-of-way
is
is
required.
D
C
I'm
in
support
of
board
member
john's
idea
of
amending
the
motion
to
be
a
bit
more
strict
and
take
the
vacation
off
the
table.
Just
my
opinion.
In
fact,
the
whole
project
is
is
null
and
void
because
there's
not
a
logical
argument
for
the
vacation
of
hill
street.
It's
fatally
flawed
and
I
think
it
would
be
relatively
easy.
The
architect
has
probably
already
worked
through
it.
In
his
mind,
hill
street
is
only
one
of
their
problems.
C
Stormwater
was
never
brought
up
because
it
wasn't
brought
forth
they're
thinking
about
doing
vaults,
which
is
strange,
but
there
certainly
is
alternative
site
plans
where
they
can
leave
the
street
in
place
still
use
both
parcels
I.e.
North
parcel
becomes
their
storm
water
retained
in
maybe
10
or
15
parking
places
for
the
city.
C
G
I'm
making
it
a
requirement
if
they
before
they
could
submit
a
site
plan.
They
have
to
go
through
the
city
process
of
vacating
vacating
hill
street
street.
If
they
have
to
redesign
their
their
their
project
to
not
vacate
hill
street,
then
they
have
that
when
they
come
in
front
of
us
with
a
site
plan.
Approval,
then
that
part
of
vacating
hill
street
would
not
be
part
of
any
site
plan
because
it
would
not
have
been
vacated.
G
D
G
Did
not
include
the
vacation
and
that
way
they'd
have
to
alter
their
design
to
and
remember
right
by
the
other
conditions
are.
Are
you
know
the
four-story,
so
they'd
have
to
alter
their
design
to
be
a
consistent
with
maybe
having
to
squeeze
everything
on
one
parcel
or
separate
the
two
parcels
with
hill
street
steel
being
open
for
public
access.
D
And
I
would
say
I
think
that
that
approach
sort
of
I
don't
know
in
my
mind,
may
make
a
little
bit
more
sense.
While
I
I
agree
with
the
concerns
about
hill
street,
but
it's
not
really
our
purview
to
decide
on
on
the
the
closure
of
that
street.
That's
the
b.o.c,
but
I'm
making
my
my
right.
No,
I'm
agreeing
with
you
yeah.
A
H
So
the
motion
was
that
they
were
required
to
get
the
vacation
before
they
come
back
with
a
site
plan
review
right
or
what
I'm
well.
That
was
the
motion.
So
what
I'm
hearing
and
is
that
there
may
be
an
amendment
if
it's
not
the
alternative,
which
was
potentially
the
amendment
before
there
may
need
to
be
an
amendment
to
change
that
verbage
to
say
that
the
vacation
either
needs
it
needs
to
be
settled
either
it
needs
to
be
approved
or
they
don't
need
the
vacation.
An
alternative
can
be
had
before
the
site
plan
comes
before
you.
F
But
yes,
but
here
here's
my
point:
if,
if
a
vacated
hill
street
is
really
not
on
the
table
for
any
of
us,
why
are
we
even
putting
this
condition?
Why
are
we
taking
the?
Why
are
we
taking
the
applicant
down
some
road
that
is
going
to
end
negatively
if
we're
not
going
to,
if,
if
hill
street
isn't
on
the
table
to
be
vacated.
G
C
And
forgive
me
for
interrupting,
wouldn't
the
best
result,
for
that
would
be
to
deny
this
application
all
together,
and
thus
they
understand
that
they
need
to
address
that
vacation
first
and
then
return.
Wouldn't
that
be
an
alternative
path.
We.
G
G
F
G
And
I
get
what
you're
saying:
okay,
so
I've
I've
got
a
motion
and
and
if
it
doesn't
pass,
then
we'll
just
move
forward
with
another
one.
H
H
Just
the
recommendation
of
staff
regarding
the
vacation
of
hill
street
correct
and
then
to
substitute
it
with
your
recommendation
that
the
hill
street
vacation
be
addressed
either
way
either
removed
or
decided
on
by
the
commission
prior
to
the
site
plan
coming
back
before
the
sport.
Correct
is
there
second
to
that
amended.
G
A
H
R
H
Is
kind
of
where
we
pigeonholed
that,
where
I've
assumed,
we
have
pigeonholed
that
one
again
you're
making
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
so.
A
A
I
have
to
say
I
understand
the
concerns
that
are
coming
through
here.
I
understand
that
everybody
has
a
concern
about
hill
street
and
everybody
has
you
know
that,
but
ultimately
there
is
a
desire
to
have
a
hotel
here
and
we
have
to
remember
this
is
just
for
conditional
use
if
they
don't
sit
there
and
look
at
it
and
say
it's
conditional
use
at
this
point,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
come
forward
and
bring
us
information
and
other
things
that
they
want
to
do
with
this.
A
A
A
F
Some
points
I
just
want
to
kind
of
summarize
all
this,
this
thoughts
and
talks
we've
had
tonight.
F
I
did.
I
did
my
own
little
survey
in
different
in
communication
with
about
60
residents
and
citizens,
and
the
number
one
overall
consensus
is
that
we
would
like
a
hotel.
So
we
start
with
that
that
we
would
like
a
hotel.
F
The
second
most
critical
item
was
the
designing
compatibility.
You
know.
I
know
the
gentleman
spoke
like
what's
what's
compatible.
F
Mr
houlis
would
know
when
pappas
restaurant
was
built,
it
was
built
and
I
may
be
wrong,
but
it
was
built
to
look
like
santorini
right.
F
Look
of
of
tarpon's
of
the
docks.
The
third
item
that
came
up
in
in
my
little
survey
communications
was
location.
Okay,
pappas,
the
pappas
restaurant
location
was
the
number
one.
By
far
when
given
a
choice,
if
they
could
have
it
near
rusty
bellies
or
they
could
have
it
where
the
pappas
is
everybody
pretty
much
said
pappas.
F
Now
we
don't
have
that
choice,
because
we
don't
have
somebody
coming
forward
to
say
they
built
a
hotel
in
pappas,
but
that
was
I'm
just
telling
you
what
what
it
was
and
then
the
fourth
most
important
item
was
was
height
and
I
think
the
height
is
not,
and
I
I'm
going
to
be
in
agreement
with
melissa
on
this.
I
don't
think
the
height
is
as
big
a
concern.
F
If
the
design
is
right
and
it
can
be
designed
with
hill
street
not
being
vacated
and
there
could
be
a
compatible
design
yeah,
I
would
prefer
it
came
down
a
story,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
only
you
know
game
breaker.
F
We
have
a-
and
we
have
two
of
them
here,
our
mayor
and
our
vice
mayor
here
tonight,
which
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
took
their
time
to
to
come
out,
and
it
means
a
lot
to
to
all
of
us
and
that
we
are
working
towards
something
that's
been,
that's
been
neglected
having
a
an
updated,
comprehensive
plan
which
we
wish
we
had
had
when
encload
harbor
came
up
and
how
difficult
it
was
for
us
with
the
outdated
plan,
a
land
development
code
and
a
smart
code
that
would
address
architectural
guidelines
and
the
fact
that
you
say
well,
we
won't
have
that
so
we're
gonna
with
this
can
go
through.
F
Well,
you
know
what
it's
our
town
and
regardless
it
needs
to
be
protected.
You
know
we
have
the
the,
as,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
the
greek
town,
historical
district.
We
we
have
that
designation,
I
don't
know.
Would
we
have
that
designation?
If
we
just
built
anything
and
threw
it
in
in
the
in
the
greek
town
area
would
would
we
still
have
that
we've
had
designations
pulled
from
us
before
for
not
following
architectural
guidelines
in
the
past?
F
So
we've
had
that,
and
you
know
when
also
when
we
talk
about
location,
the
flooding
that
is
happens
on
dota
knees
and
roosevelt
and
and
I'm
sorry
that
the
applicant
doesn't
know
about
those
things
but
they're
pretty
critical
and
that's
why
obviously
hill
street
is
is
paramount,
that
it
stays
open,
because,
if
you're
leaving
any
of
those
areas
you
got
to
get
high
and
the
only
way
to
get
high
is
to
get
to
hope
street
and
you
got
to
have
that
hill
street
to
get
up
there.
F
So
that's
that's
without
without
saying
and
we're
not
desperate
and
like
miss
franzis
said
you
know,
we
want
a
hotel,
you
know
when
we
put
the
word
need.
That's
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
really
the
right
word,
but
definitely
we
want
a
hotel
and
we
want
to
it
right.
And
what
we're
saying
to
you
is
that
we
want
to
work
with
you,
but
when
we
say
we
would
like
to
have
a
a
town
hall
or
a
workshop,
it's
not
going
to
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars.
F
You
can
have
this
room,
I'm
sure
the
mayor
would
would
make
sure
that
you
got
this
room
and
people
would
come
and
you
talk
to
them.
You
put
your
presentation,
you
listen
to
them.
It
won't
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
have
that
that
that
that
kind
of
a
thing
and
that
would
go
miles
to
having
us
come
together
like,
like
you
said,
oh
we're,
fractioned,
no,
we're
not
fraction.
We
agree
on
that.
We
want
a
hotel.
F
What
we
need
to
crystallize
is
exactly
what
we
want
and
I'm
sure
that
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
work
together,
but
it's
not
going
to
happen.
If
you
say
oh
well,
we
have
this
guideline.
We
met
the
guideline
dammit,
we
get
a
hotel.
No,
not
really
so,
and
I
understand
that
I'm
a
cpa.
I
understand
you
have
to
have
an
economic
return.
F
We
we
get
that,
but
we
could
work
together.
Really
we
can
work
together,
but
let's
do
it
together
and
if
it
takes
an
extra
30
45
days
to
get
this
project
approved
and
you
do
it
the
right
way,
then
you
will
have
a
an
accepted
project
that
the
community
has
embraced
and
not
something
that
was
just
taken
down.
The
fast
road
we've
been
through
that
before
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that
again.
So
that's
my
two
bits.
G
Now
after
this,
this
goes
back
to
the
height
requirement,
I'm
not
going
to
withdraw
my
motion,
but
if
the
applicant
presented
a
design
that
blended
and
had
some
architectural
details
to
it,
that
didn't
look
as
out
of
place
based
on
its
height
and
that's
something
that
I
think
I
would
look
at
again.
But
but
right
now,
I'm
pretty
set
on
my
motion.
So.
J
D
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C
B
B
B
H
H
We
had
talked
about
separating
the
applications
into
individual
applications,
so
tonight
that
was
an
example
of
separating
the
applications
into
an
individual
application,
and
yet
all
of
the
other
things
that
were
discussed
were
other
parts
of
the
application,
like
the
site
plan,
the
vacation
things
like
that,
so
you
can
see
how
it's
kind
of
difficult
for
staff
and
difficult
both
for
you
guys.
It's
it's
going
to
be
a
balancing,
so
we're
just
going
to
need
to
discuss
how
that's
going
to
kind
of
work.
Maybe
what
types
of
applications
get
separated,
what
types
of
applications
don't?
H
I
think
tonight
was
a
really
good
example
of
how
giving
a
lot
of
information
may
have
detracted
from
the
apple
actual
application
that
was
before
you.
So
I
think
that
I
think
it's
just.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
think
that's
something.
That's
a
good
thing
that
we
can
discuss
at
the
next
meeting
when
we're
talking
about
recommended
changes
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
H
No,
the
meeting
hasn't
been
adjourned,
we're
still
on
board
comments.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
two
of
the
commissioners
were
here
tonight,
so
at
least
two
of
them
understood
what
your
your
position
is.
They
can
certainly
talk
about
that
in
discussion
too,
but
if
the,
if
the
board
would
like
to
by
a
majority,
we
don't
have
to
do
a
roll
call,
but
a
majority
vote
I
would
suggest
nominating
somebody
seconding
just
like
we
do
chair
and
vice
chair
position,.
C
Chair
I'd
like
to
nominate
john
to
represent.
H
B
Right-
and
that
was
for
the
application
you
just
heard
correct.