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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Board September 18, 2023
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A
B
Call
to
order
the
thank
you.
A
All
right,
the
purpose
and
mission
of
the
Tarpon
Springs
plantings
and
Zoning
Board
is
to
conduct
public
hearings
on
the
items
that
come
before
it.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
has
reviewed
the
evidence
and
the
agenda
packet
for
each
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
including
the
application
materials
and
the
staff
report.
The
board
will
consider
that
evidence
along
with
any
new
evidence
or
testimony
provided
at
the
public
hearing.
The
board
will
consider
all
of
the
information
provided
at
this
hearing
in
accordance
with
the
quasi-judicial
procedures,
by
which
it
is
bound.
A
I'll
ask
the
City
attorney
to
explain
these
quasi-judicial
procedures
at
the
appropriate
time.
The
board
uses
these
procedures
to
judge
whether
the
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
city's
adoptive,
comprehensive
plan
and
future
land
use
map
and
whether
the
application
conforms
to
the
city's
currently
adopted
Land
Development
code
and
Zoning
Atlas.
The
board
will
render
a
decision
on
each
item
in
the
form
of
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
who
will
take
the
final
action
on
the
item.
A
The
general
hearing
procedure
for
each
item
called
by
the
chair
is
as
follows:
staff
presentation,
applicant
presentation,
affected
party
presentation,
public
input,
staff
and
applicant
rebuttal
and
finally
board
motion
discussion
and
vote.
Can
we
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
have
a
roll
call?
Please.
D
E
A
That
brings
us
to
item
four
on
our
agenda.
Application
23-58
has
been
deferred
to
a
date
certain
of
November
20th
2023,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
five,
the
quasi-judicial
announcement
and
swearing-in
of
speakers
with
our
attorney.
Please
do.
F
That
for
us,
yes,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
the
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Planning
and
Zoning.
Board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
F
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections.
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
application
meets
the
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
Grant
the
applicant's
request.
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
application
does
not
meet
the
code
criteria,
then
the
board
is
required
to
deny
the
applicant's
request
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
F
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
test
money.
All
testimony
and
questioning
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
and
material
to
the
to
the
application
before
the
city's
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
any
board
members
who
have
disclosures,
such
as
ex
parte
Communications
or
conflicts
of
interest.
Please
make
your
disclosures
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
F
First
city
staff
will
present
its
testimony
and
evidence
regarding
the
application
and
the
applicant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
cross-examine
City
staff
and
any
City
Witnesses.
The
applicant
will
then
have
the
opportunity
to
present
Witnesses
and
evidence,
and
the
city
will
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
applicant
and
any
of
the
applicant's
witnesses.
Then
members
in
favor,
of
or
opposing
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
present
their
testimony
and
evidence.
Then
the
applicant
and
the
city
will
be
given
the
opportunity
opportunity
to
present
rebuttal
and
a
closing
statement.
F
F
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
six
on
our
agenda:
application
2328
for
property
located
at
1750,
South,
Pinellas
Avenue.
This
involves
ordinance
2023-14
for
annexation,
2023-15
for
future
land
use,
map,
Amendment
and
2023-16
for
rezoning.
We
will
discuss
those
items
for
the
most
part
together,
but
have
three
separate
votes
when
it's
time
correct.
G
G
D
G
La
Siesta
Apartments
the
old
hotel.
That's
the
area
we're
talking
about
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
there
are
City
and
County
Properties
here.
The
Shaded
ones
are
the
in
the
city
and
the
predominant
future
land
use
and
Zoning
along
Alt
19
is
commercial,
so
commercial,
General
and
then
in
the
county,
usually
C2
and
in
the
city.
It's
Highway
business
in
general,
business.
G
So
again,
this
is
1.3
acres
in
size,
it's
in
the
commercial
General,
County,
future
land
use
and
the
C2
County
zoning
General,
commercial
and
services.
We
propose
to
bring
it
in
to
the
equivalent
Tarpon
Springs
future
land
use
and
Zoning,
which
would
be
commercial,
General
and
Highway.
Business
and
again,
you've
got
the
uses
there.
G
So
we
want
to
go
through
I'm
going
to
go
through
all
the
criteria
for
all
three
ordinances.
The
first
is
the
annexation,
as
you
may
remember,
your
annexation
review
criteria
change
with
the
recent
change
of
that
section
of
the
code
that
wasn't
codified
municode.
Yet
so
you
do
have
a
copy
of
that
ordinance
in
your
packet
right
after
the
staff
report
showing
what
the
changes
were.
You
now
have
five
criteria:
the
first
Remains,
the
Same.
This
is
adjacent
to
the
city
and
it
will
not
create
an
enclave.
G
The
second
one
refers
to
the
inner
local
service
agreement
that
the
city
has
with
the
county
and
what
that
agreement
defines
as
a
type
A
Enclave.
This
property
is
not
in
one
of
those,
so
that
one
does
not
apply.
G
The
third
has
to
do
with
City
public
facilities
available
to
the
property
facilities
are
available
and
the
city
has
the
ability
to
serve
the
property
upon
annexation.
The
reason
for
the
request
here
was
to
retire
and
existing
septic
tank
and
hook
up
to
City
Wastewater
Services.
The
property
has
been
on
City
potable
water
services
since
1994.,
so
the
idea
was
to
hook
up
to
Wastewater.
Any
applicant
was
directed
to
go
ahead
and
apply
for
annexation
and
she
is
actively
now
with
that
application
retiring
to
septic
tank
and
hooking
up
to
the
Wastewater
service.
G
So
the
other
services
that
are
available
to
the
to
the
property
would
be
law,
enforcement,
Fire,
EMS
and
course
Transportation
trans,
the
road
is
a
D.O.T
road.
So
that's
a
state
road,
storm
water,
I
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
any
facilities
on
site
I
had
it
in
here
somewhere.
This
property
was
built,
I
want
to
say
1973
anyway
in
the
70s,
so
there's
no
facility
discernible,
but
of
course
any
future
development
would
have
to
develop
their
own
on-site
stormwater.
G
This
site
has
an
active
code
enforcement
case
on
it
at
Pinellas
County
we
received
that
email.
A
communication
that
is
in
your
packet
so.
G
That
case
would
transfer-
or
we
would
have
to
come
to
a
resolution
on
that
case
in
the
city
if
this
property
were
annexed
and
that
would
involve
obviously
City
staff,
but
mainly
our
law
enforcement,
because
that's
where
our
code
enforcement
department
has
housed
so
that
covers
number
four
and
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
read
standard
number
four,
just
because
it's
new
and
just
reminding
you
what
it
says
so
so
criteria
number
four.
G
It
says
the
history
or
status
of
any
Pinellas
County
Code
Enforcement
actions
or
violations
that
may
cause
an
undue
burden
on
the
city.
Such
actions
include
but
are
not
limited
to
unpermitted
construction,
FEMA
violations,
non-conforming
uses
and
illegal
or
prohibited
uses,
so
I
think
with
this
Criterion,
you
would
consider
whether
you
feel
that
this
may
be
an
undue
burden.
So
you
know
that,
unlike
some
of
your
other
that
are
pretty
cut
and
dried,
for
example,
number
one
yeah,
it's
continuous,
it's
not
an
enclave.
G
This
one
is
is
something
for
you
all
to
consider
and
judge
whether
you
think
this
affects
the
annexation
so
and
then
number
five.
As
far
as
consistency
with
the
comp
comprehensive
plan,
the
uses
that
are
listed
as
potential
unpermitted
uses
in
the
County's
email,
we
don't
know
the
details
of
what
all
those
are,
the
extent
and
all
that
we
didn't
get
all
that
detail.
But
those
include,
as
far
as
we
know,
unpermitted
Paving,
maybe
some
commercial
fishing
storage
type
activity
on
site
and
Outdoor
Storage
that
doesn't
comply
with
the
what
the
county
code.
G
It
appears
that
that
those
uses
would
not
comply
with
the
with
the
city
code
either.
Like
I
say
we
don't
know
all
the
details,
but
those
would
then
be
inconsistent
with
your.
H
G
The
commercial
General
designation
is
consistent
with
with
what
the
county
has,
so
that
would
be
bringing
it
in
at
the
right
future.
Land
use.
It's
also
consistent
with
county-wide
map,
which
already
designates
this
property
as
retail
and
services.
But
again
the
young
permanent
uses
don't
appear
to
comply
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
for
the
rezoning.
Remember
your
your
future.
Land
uses
a
legislative
decision.
Should
you
decide
to
adopt
that
future
land
use
now
you're
looking
at
is
the
zoning
that's
we're
back
to
quasi-judicial?
G
Is
the
zoning
consistent
with
with
that
so
Highway
business
is
consistent
with
a
commercial
General
future
land
use,
designation
and
the
allowable
uses
for
for
future
with
a
property
would
be
put
to
under
Highway.
Business
are
appropriate
to
that
area,
and
well
we
maybe
I,
don't
if,
if
you
need
to
I'll
flip
back
to
the
zoning
map,
so
you
can
see,
the
surrounding
area
is
a
bit
of
a
mix,
but
it
it's
all
different
commercial
offices,
that
sort
of
thing
not
too
much
residential.
G
G
This
rezoning
would
reduce
the
scope
of
allowable
uses
to
some
extent
it
would
reduce
the
intensity
and
intensity
the
impervious
surface
and
actually
the
height.
So
our
standards
are
a
little
more
stringent
than
the
county.
In
this
these
comparable
commercial
zones.
G
The
amendment
would
provide
for
the
efficient,
orderly
growth,
as
it
would
bring
the
parcel
into
the
city
under
an
appropriate
designation
so
future
for
the
future.
This
would
be
an
appropriate
designation.
This
is
a
property.
Frankly,
I
feel
like
at
some
point.
It's
going
to
redevelop
it's
one
of
those
types
of
properties,
so
this
this
would
be
appropriate
for
that
area.
However,
the
current
per
unpermitted
uses
do
not
promote
that
orderly
growth
at
this
time
and
then
the
annexation
won't
or
the
rezoning
won't
unduly
burden
the
city
as
far
as
public
facilities.
G
We
do
have
the
capacity
to
serve,
but
again
you'll
need
to
consider
for
your
annexation
criteria,
whether
that
code
case
is
going
to
be
an
issue
for
the
city
at
this
time.
So
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
this
annexation
and
then
subsequently,
that
would
be
the
recommendation
on
the
future
land
use
and
rezoning.
G
We
feel
like
at
least
the
code
case
should
be
resolved
and
and
the
property
cleaned
up
to
the
extent
that
that
all
those
those
things
are
are
resolved.
I
did
I,
didn't
it's
in
your
staff
report,
I
didn't
mention.
We
do
have
an
old
survey
in
your
packet,
it's
from
the
80s,
but
it
looks
like
the
uses
that
are
there
that
that
seem
to
be
obviously
legitimate
uses
are
permitted
in
Highway
business
and
it
appears
that
the
building
setbacks
are
met
for
that
block.
G
Building
that
was
built
in
the
70s,
so
it
looks
like
the
property
would
conform.
We'd
have
to
do
more
detailed
research
if
the
if,
if
this
were
denied
and
the
applicant
came
back
later,
we'd
get
more
detail.
But
at
this
time
we
are
recommending
denial,
illness
application
and
there
were
no
responses
to
public
notice.
Are
there
any
questions?
Yes,.
I
The
only
property
that
jumps
into
mind
is
the
is
it
the
marker
25,
where
we
annexed
across
the
river,
and
that
was
a
very
unique
situation
where
in
Pinellas,
County
I
don't
know
if
they
had
active
code
enforcement,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
disparate
there
was.
There
was
problems
between
the
between
the
land
use
and
the
zoning
designations
in
the
county.
When
you
overlaid
those
there
was
really
not
any
viable
uses
on
the
property,
and
so
ultimately,
they
saw
it
to
Annex
in
and
work
with
the
city.
I
J
J
You're
denying
it
and
it's
your
recommendation
of
denial
is
a
clearing
up.
Some
of
these
issues
with
Pinellas
County
yeah.
J
And
you
put
in
your
package
the
highway
business
district
as
far
as
as
far
as
the
permitted
uses.
So
this
so
Alternate
19
is
deemed
a
highway
business.
G
Yeah,
let
me
go
back
a
good
portion
of
alternate
19.
G
Those
portions
in
the
city
that
are
red.
Those
are
all
highway:
businesses,
this
one's
General
business,
a
little
less
intense
and.
J
The
reason
I
ask
that
is
because,
if
you
look
at
number
one
on
permitted
use
as
it
talks
about
adult
entertainment
and
I
just
didn't
know
if
they
would
be
precluded
based
on
how
close
residential
locations
are,
that
would
even
though
it's
a
permitted
use,
it
would
not
meet
the
criteria
for
that
particular
use.
G
We
can
look
it
up,
I'm,
not
sure
it's
allowed
on
Alt
19.
well,.
D
I
So
being
within
500
feet
of
residential,
which
this
property
is
automatically
precludes,.
J
It
that
was
that
was
the
answer
to
my
question.
I
appreciate
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
had
talked
about
in
Prior
meetings.
I
think
we
talked
about
it.
The
last
in
our
in
our
comprehensive
land
use
Workshop
was
about
being
able
to
control
our
destiny
and
and
the
and
the
access
points
coming
in
and
out
of
Tarpon
Springs
being
able
to
have
some
say
so
or
input
in
what
goes
on
in
in
in
our
entrance
to
the
community.
J
Obviously,
there
are
some
significant
issues
that
that,
if
we
did,
we
did
in
fact
approve
this
the
annexation.
The
onus
would
fall
on
the
city
to
make
them
come
in
compliance.
You
know,
I
think
we've
got
a
lot.
Well,
that's
that's
I!
Guess
that's
for
argument,
but
so.
G
Just
mentioned
quick
I
did
put
something
in
the
staff
report.
There
was
the
last
meeting
or
the
one
before
the
Cop
Land.
We
talked
about
a
plan
for
for
out
19
in
South
Pinellas
and
we
feel
like,
even
if
this
isn't
and
extend
right
away,
we
feel
like
the
county
would
work
with
us
on
on
something
because
obviously
there's
there's
just
a
patchwork
of
of
Incorporated
unincorporated
areas.
So
we
were
doing
a
work
with
the
county
on
that
plant.
That
corridor
plan
and.
J
Part
of
part
of
our
discussion
today
is
not
just
annexation,
but
but
zoning
proving
the
zoning,
so
we
would
be
able
to
either
downgrade
the
type
of
zoning
that
that
you
know
from
from
Highway
business
or
whatever.
Our
zoning
classification
is
to
to
something
more
consistent
with
what
the
entrance
of
our
of
our
carpet
Springs
would
look
like.
G
Yeah,
so
the
question
is
I:
guess,
could
you
propose
a
say
a
down
Zone
to
General
business
here
tonight.
J
J
What
are
some
of
the
permitted
uses
that
are,
that
would
be
different
from
from
Highway
business,
because
it's
a
whole
slew
of
of
permitted
uses.
I
The
the
big
difference
in
the
highway
business
district
you're,
going
to
have
things
like
the
car
dealerships
and
the
the
car
washes
the
the
gas
stations.
None
of
that,
if
I'm
going
off
top
of
my
head
here,
is
without
pulling
up
the
GB
zoning
but
in
the
general
business
district
we
we
purposely
many
years
ago
took
a
lot
of
that
stuff
out
of
the
general
business
district.
So
the
general
business
is
just
a
little
more.
It's
General
retail!
You
know
you
have
a
smaller
floor
area.
I
I
Know
generally
we're
looking
at
you
know,
bringing
in
the
property
at
a
zoning
designation
that
is
equal
or
less
intensive
than
than
what
is
allowed
in
Pinellas
County.
So
I'm,
you
know
we've,
generally
speaking,
we
try
to
bring
them
in
at
something.
That's
that's
close:
okay,
yeah!
No,
no
I'm,
not
giving
you
the
answer.
K
I
just
had
a
little
bit
of
a
what's
the
status
update
on
the
code
enforcement.
Are
they
have
this?
Has
it
not
resolved
as
far
as
them
paying
fines,
or
are
they
still
actively
doing
the.
H
G
Said
that
they
had
a
meeting
up
on
it,
and
perhaps
the
applicant
can
expand
on
where
she
is
she.
He
says
the
county
has
open
code
violations
on
his
property.
The
meeting
was
for
compliance.
They
had
done
some
extensive
unpurminted
Paving
in
the
front
of
the
property
and
we're
using
the
rear
of
the
parking
lot
for
exterior
storage,
as
well
as
running
what
appears
to
be
a
commercial
crabbing
business.
K
G
And
I
I
haven't
been
to
the
property
or
walked
to
the
back
of
the
property.
So
I
don't
know
if
they're
still
actively
I
mean
this.
This
aerial
photograph
was
taken
in
January
of
2023
so
and
and
the
oblique
that
I
showed
you
that's
when
it
was
taken
so
I,
don't
know
the
applicant
might
be
able
to
tell
you
more
about
that.
G
Oh,
she
could
probably
answer
that
I
believe
she
has
applied.
You
know
she
wanted
to
apply
for
the
Wastewater.
So
as
soon
as
she
submitted
that
application,
we
did
that
I,
don't
think
she's
completely
operational.
Yet
maybe
she
can
answer
that
and
then
the
abandonment
of
the
tank
goes
through
I
believe
Pinellas
County
Health
Department.
They
have
to
abandon
the
tank.
So
it's
not
usable
anymore.
You.
L
F
M
Doreen
E
sicardo
I
live
at
31,
Baywood
Drive
Palm,
Harbor
Florida,
and
this
is
in
regard
to
1750
South
Pinellas
Avenue
in
Tarpon
Springs,
a
couple
of
millions
that
I'll
address
the
first
notice
of
violation
was
May
4th.
So
it's
not
years
it
was
just
a
couple
of
months.
I
do
have
a
current
survey.
I
just
got
that
about
three
weeks
ago,
and
so
the
the
when
I
got
the
parking
lot
paved.
M
The
paving
company
said
because
we're
not
Paving
over
anything
that
wasn't
already
paved
and
we're
not
changing
the
footprint
that
I
didn't
need
a
permit,
and
so
I
just
went
with
that.
For
so
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
they
were
saying
that
was
I'm
in
violation
for,
but
we're
still
working
around
that
because
the
county
I've
been
doing
the
steps
with
the
county.
M
They
want
me
now
to
get
a
site
plan,
but
I'm
not
doing
anything.
My
tenants
did
things,
and
so,
but
you
know
they
want
me
to
get
a
site
plan
for
that.
The
Crab
Trap
fellow
that's
renting
from
me,
he's
going
to
be
putting
his
crab
traps
in
the
water
October
1st
and
he
his
lease
is
up
in
December
and
he'll
be
leaving.
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
addressed
and
taken
care
of
by
December
1st.
M
So
you
know
that's
when
his
lease
is
up
and
he's
not
going
to
rent
for
me
anymore,
and
one
of
my
tenants
had
put
up
a
fence
and
they
put
a
concrete
thing
there
and
he
didn't
get
a
permit.
So
this
is
falling
back
on
me.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
that
squared
away
with
the
county
I'm
working
with
guy
Shoemaker
over
there
and
he's
been
very
helpful.
Trying
to
give
me
all
the
lists.
I
do
have
a
current
survey.
M
I
can
present
I,
don't
have
it
with
me,
but
I
do
have
that.
I
just
got
that,
so
it
shows
you
trees.
It
shows
elevation.
It
shows
everything.
That's
done
on
the
property
and
so
I'm
working
on
clearing
up
all
the
you
know.
The
violations
one
by
one
and
I
was
going
to
ask
about
because
I
didn't
know
that
this
was
a
change
of
of
the
the
zoning,
because
I
didn't
know
what
what
home
with
with
HB
business.
M
That
was
because
C2
I
knew
that
we
we
can
do
basically
anything
except
open
air
storage
and
and
I
really
didn't
want
to
be
downgraded
for
that.
I
didn't
know
whether
that
was
part
of
it.
I
thought
this
was
just
annexation
for
the
plumbing
which
this
septic
tank
has
been
abandoned,
but
so
that's
been
done.
The
hookup
is
already
there
sewer
and
water.
As
so
that's
already
hooked
up
paying
for
everything
is
done.
M
Everything
was
inspected,
I'm
still
trying
to
get
something
from
the
plumbing
company
to
tell
me
that
that
that
it
was
done
so
I
can
have
proof
because
I
don't
have
proof,
but
we
are
operational.
So
so
that's
all
taken
care
of,
and
you
know
because
I
had
that
done,
they
tore
up
the
whole
parking
lot
had
that
done
before
I
got
the
parking
lot
repaid
so
and
but
that's
but
yeah,
so
we're
working
with
the
county
to
just
you
know
whatever
they
want
I'm
gonna
do.
M
So
I
have
nature
of
their
businesses,
a
beauty
salon
which
was
there
years
ago.
Okay,
so
that's
that's
the
the
cement
building.
That's
there
and
on
the
other
side,
was
a
car
lot
which
they
were
there.
I
bought
the
property
in
2011
and
in
in
November,
and
they
started
with
me
in
December
of
2011..
It
was
that
was
my
old
tennis
Carla.
So
a
new
fellow
bought
the
car
lot.
You
know
the
the
license
for
that
and
he's
just
he
just
you
know
is
doing
so.
M
He
bought
the
he
bought
the
license
from
my
previous
tenant.
So
I
was
just
you
know,
renting
it
to
them,
and
you
know,
but
he
did
he
put
up
a
fence
without
getting
a
permit
and
he
put
a
concrete
block
without,
but
getting
a
permit
so
I
have
to
get
that
address,
because
that
was
he
did
it
and
I
didn't
give
him
permission
for
that,
but
I
said
just
make
sure
you're
doing
it
in
compliance.
You
know,
but
obviously
he
did
not,
but
we'll
work
on
that.
M
M
M
Well,
I
mean
he's
putting
them
in
the
water
in
like
a
week.
You
know
so
so
the
crab
traps
will
be
gone
and
then
he
just
has
a
couple
of
you
know
like
about
one
boat
and
and
like
two
empty
trailers.
So
it's
not
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
do
with
him
about
he's.
Looking
for
a
pla,
he
said
if
he
could
find
a
place
earlier,
he
would,
but
he
is
putting
them
in
the
water
October
1st,
so
they'll
be
they'll.
Be
out
of
that.
E
I
have
a
question
Mr
chairman
thanks
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
for
your
cooperation
with
the
county
to
come
in
compliance
quickly.
I've
been
on
both
sides
of
the
coin,
many
times
between
homeowners
and
jurisdictions.
A
lot
of
times
the
the
owner
is
left
out
of
the
the
loop
doesn't
mean
it's
okay
and
it's
still
your
responsibility
as
the
property
owner.
But
when
you're,
not
there
24
7
things
can
happen.
E
My
my
concern
is
your
future
proposed
use
once
the
violations
are
cleared
up
with
the
county,
and
perhaps
it
would
be
more
appropriate
for
transfer
to
our
auspices
I.
Don't
think
it's
our
responsibility
as
a
city
to
inherit
that
adjudication
at
this
time,
but
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is:
what
do
you
propose
going
forward
so
that
we
can
assess
if
it's
something
that
we
feel
fits
that
area
for
the
future
of
Tarpon
Springs?
And
we
don't
want
to
restrict
you.
E
You
know
it's
up
to
you
to
tell
us
not
us
to
guess
right
and
that
and
that
that's
to
come,
and
you
may
want
to
discuss
that
with
you
know
various
facets
of
developers
and
and
other
interests
that
you
may
have
as
far
as
use
there.
But
that's
the
most
important
thing
is
not
today
and
not
tomorrow,
but
next
year,
next
decade,
I
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
to
to
the
city
at
this
time.
Well,.
E
Right
and
understandable
and
and
I
commend
you
for
being
honest,
but
once
again,
it'll
have
to
receive
a
designation
once
it
transfers
to
the
city,
and
that
designation
may
affect
your
buyers
and,
and
there.
M
Well,
that's
why
you
want
to
make
sure
like
because
I
know
C2
is
pretty
broad
about
what
I
can
put
there
and
I
didn't
realize
that
this
was
part
of
of
the
zoning
change,
because
I
didn't
get
any
paperwork
or
anything
like
that
to
know.
I
just
thought
it
was
the
annexation
for
the
septic
to
go
to
sewer.
That's
what
I
thought.
So
this
came
as
a
surprise
that
you
that
that
proposed
zoning
change,
because
I
really
bought
the
property
for
C2,
knowing
that
I
could
basically
do
anything
but
open
air
storage.
J
Thank
you,
I
have
a
question
for
for
Pat,
currently
currently
the
the
reading,
what
you
have
right
now,
the
maximum
density
is
24
units
per
per
acre,
and
is
that
consistent
with
the
county
is
offering
at
this
point,
how
many
units
per
acre
is
a
county
offering.
J
So
so,
if
if
we
were
to,
let's
say
we
annexes
property
that
obviously
we're
moving
forward
with
our
future
land
use
plan
based
on
our
future
land
use
plan
that
density
drops
to.
According
to
your
chart,
15
units
dwellings
per
acre,
that's.
G
J
You
know
if
they
decide
to
stay
within
the
county
and
under
under
the
counties.
Zoning
or
you
know
what
they
would
the
county
will
allow
them
to
do
is
actually
would
be
more
intense
as
far
as
density
than
if,
if
we
brought
annexed
them
in
and
then
once
we
adopt
our
future
land
use
plan
that
would
impact
the
the
density
moving
forward.
J
G
G
I
did
look
at
their
map
to
see
what
the
where
you
know
where
that
is,
and
the
rear
portion
of
the
property
appears
to
be
a
net
defined
area
and
the
state
and
in
the
county
code
is
I,
believe
it's
20
or
more
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
eligible
for
residential
I
think
it's
probably
right
on
the
borderline.
It
looks
like
maybe
20
percent,
but
it
could
be
less
than
24.
J
So
I
think
we
would
assume
it
could
develop
right.
Here's
why
I'm
confused
because
I'm?
Looking
at
your
your
current,
this
is
a
chart
that
you
gave
me
where
it
says.
Current
future
land
use
okay
and
you
and
you
scroll
down
and
it
talks
about-
and
this
is
under
what
you
gave
us
for
this
particular.
J
And
it
says
24
units
per
acre,
okay
and
it
doesn't
say-
and
is
that
because
under
under
the
commercial
General,
why
would
they
limit
put
dwelling
units
if
it's
commercial.
G
They
allow
and
I'd
have
to
look
multi-family
just
like
we
do
in
commercial,
okay,.
G
J
L
G
J
Because
these
these
permitted
uses
or
unconditional
uses,
if,
if
we
annexed
and
and
and
and
zoned
it
pursuant
to
the
highway
business
district,
that
would
be
a
conditional
use.
Basically.
G
G
She
would
have
to
apply
for
the
annexation,
but
the
surcharge
rate
would
apply
until
it
was
annexed.
I
So
yeah
the
the
C2
zoning
in
the
county
multi-family
is
a
permitted
use
by
right
and
it's
an
administrative
review.
It
doesn't
go
to
public
hearings
so.
A
A
Seeing
none
that
brings
us
to
closing
public
comments.
I,
don't
imagine
anybody
feels
a
need
for
rebuttal
staff
or
applicants
so.
A
All
right,
I
I,
need
a
motion
in
second,
so
that
we
can
discuss.
J
J
My
dilemma
is
this:
there's
certain
code
violations
that
I
think
need
to
be
addressed,
but,
more
importantly,
I,
look
at
the
long
term
or
the
bigger
picture,
and
when
I
look
at
the
bigger
picture,
I
look
at
us
as
the
city
being
able
to
control
our
destiny.
As
far
as
you
know,
what
we
want
to
see
coming
into
Tarpon
Springs,
whether
it's
density
or
or
other
things
that
that
you
know
as
as
Renee
said
their
their
list
of
permitted
uses
is
quite
extensive.
J
Ours
may
not
be
as
extensive
and
going
back
to
what
you
said
as
far
as
density.
You
know,
they're
not
subject
to
public
hearing.
You
know
24
units
at
least
here.
Ours
is
a
conditional
use
and
that
allows
us
a
hand
in
in
shaping
what
I
think
you
know.
J
We've
talked
about
it
before
that
that
part
of
coming
into
Alternate
19
that,
quite
frankly,
some
of
it's
an
eyesore
and
and
at
some
point
in
time
it
may
be
developed
and
I
want
us
to
have
that
ability
to
control
that
process
and
not
leave
it
at
the
hands
of
the
county
and
and
that's
why,
despite
the
code
enforcement
violations,
which
I
think
they
would,
they
will
have
to
be
addressed.
Anyways
that
that's
a
small
price
to
pay
for
our
ability
to
control
and
manage
our
future
I.
L
J
Because
this
process
has
to
start
all
over
again
and
and
the
applicant
may
have
a
change
of
heart
once
they
have
they've,
come
into
compliance
and
find
out
hey
guess
what
the
I
want
to
sell
it
and
the
person
who
may
want
to
buy
it
looks
at
the
at
the
permitted
uses
and
says
you
know
what
I
could
do
a
lot
more
with
this
property
on
the
on
the
permitted
uses.
That
may
be
contrary
to
what
we
envision
coming
into
this
community.
So
that's
kind
of
right
where
I
stand.
A
And
I
kind
of
look
at
it
differently,
I
guess,
from
from
my
perspective,
we're
setting
a
precedent
if
we
approve
it
that
that
I
think
is
something
we
haven't
done
before,
and
we
need
to
think
closely
about
that
before.
We
would
do
that.
I
I
think
it's
bad
policy,
so
it's
from
from
the
at
the
higher
level
looking
at
it,
I
think
it's
bad
policy
to
accept
a
annexation
on
a
piece
of
property
that
has
outstanding
code
violations
and
and
for
that
reason
I'll
be
against
this
item.
A
K
Yeah
I
I,
see
Mr
couscous,
point
of
view
and
I
I
see
the
the
long-term
Vision,
but
at
the
same
time
I
believe
the
applicant
said:
she's
had
the
property
since
2011.
K
I'd
be
interested
to
see
prior
code
violations
up
until,
even
though
this
one
is
recent
and
as
much
as
I
sympathize
with
property
owners.
I
do
believe
that
you
know
just
saying
I
didn't
know
what
was
going
on.
Not
my
bad,
that's
that's
just
not
an
excuse
is
being
a
landowner
and
a
property.
K
Are
you
responsible,
and
you
know
that,
for
you
know,
years
and
years
of
owning
property
and
being
a
landlord,
so
I
do
see
a
Pat
I
believe
that
there
might
be
a
pattern
and
there
might
be
it
might
be
sold
and
it
might,
somebody
else
might
come
along,
but
I
I
don't
foresee
that
I'll
see
it
when
it
when
it
happens,
and
then
just
I
agree
with
cleaning
up
the
violations
first
and
then
coming
back.
K
Otherwise
we're
just
gonna
we're
almost
just
saying
you
know:
yeah
just
I've,
never
seen
the
staff
say
no
to
anything
ever
so.
I
kind
of
I
feel
like
we
should
support
them
on
this,
even
if
there's
some
long-term
advantages
of
the
annexation,
I
don't
want
to
invite
a
a
problem
in
our
city
and
then
have
our
code
enforcement
having
to
deal
with
it.
You
know
continuously
which,
because
I
believe
that
this
is
a
bigger
problem
than
it's
being
led
on
just
from
this
short
meeting.
L
Second,
it
my
question
to
you:
since
you've
been
the
owner
since
2011.
yeah,.
D
L
F
And,
and
for
the
record
since
you're,
not
by
the
microphone
yeah,
if
you
could
just
go
ahead
and
say
that
on
the
record,
so
we
have
it.
Thank
you.
I,
don't
like
to
summarize
Witnesses
testimony.
F
Is
there
currently
a
open
or
running
lean
or
code
enforcement
order,
that's
recorded
in
the
public
record?
No,
so
it
hasn't
gone
through
the
formal.
M
L
M
Well,
I
want
to
resolve
everything
because
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
sell
it.
If
I
have
all
these
issues
going
on,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
all
my
ducks
are
in
a
row
before
I.
Do
that
but
I'm
thinking
yeah,
because
I'm
tired
of
dealing
with
my
tenants
and
you
know,
and
all
this
I'd
just
rather
sell
it
if
I,
you
know,
but
I
want
to
get
my
price
too.
So
I
don't
know.
Okay,.
M
Okay,
because
I
was
going
to
say
one
thing
too:
the
property
right
next
to
me
sold
and
he
was
applying
for
senior
housing
over
there
and
I
didn't
I
kind
of
opposed
that
too,
because
it
is
a
commercial
area
and
then
he
was
going
to
put
the
you
know
that
then
he's
saying
that
you
know
anyway,
I
I,
don't
know
what
they
what
they
finally
decided
on
that
because
I
I
wasn't
invited
to
any
other
meeting,
but
but
I
did
see
a
sign
saying
that
it
was
sold
that
property
right.
M
M
M
No
because
it's
kind
of
ambiguous
it's
hard,
because
when
I
even
asked
them,
what
does
it
mean
when
I
read
it
to
them?
They
couldn't
really
even
tell
me
so
it
says
for
the
expansion
of
use
on
the
property,
development
activities
and
creation
of
land
disturbances
without
first
obtaining
zoning
approval,
zoning
clearance
for
an
example,
the
operation
of
a
boat,
trailer
and
commercial
fishing
equipment
storage
facility.
So
that's
all
that
that
violation.
M
That's
the
grab
trap
guy,
that's
the
Crab
Trap
tenant.
So.
M
A
Okay,
there
was
there
was
something
mentioned
also,
though,
about
Paving
that
was
not
properly
permitted
and,
and
that
can
get
complicated
depending
on
how
much
it
is
because
it
I
mean
it,
it
can
be
required
to
meet
Water,
Management
District
standards
and
put
in
drainage
in
all
manner
of
things.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
it
amounts
to
in
this
case,
but
but
that
could
not
be
a
small
thing
as
a
result.
D
F
G
M
L
M
M
Because
when
I
asked
the
paving
company
and
they
do
Bach
development,
they
said
they
do
it
all
the
time
and
as
long
as
we're
not
changing
the
footprint
of
the
property,
it's
it's
the
same.
Whatever
was
paid
before
it
was
just
crap
and
everything
I
just
repaved
it,
so
they
ripped
up
the
old
stuff
and
put,
but
but
it
was
exactly
the
same
part
of
what
was
paid
before,
so
we
didn't
pave
over
any
grass
or
we
didn't
rip
out
any
trees
or
anything
like
that.
J
L
Yeah
I
agree,
but
it
appears
that
there's
Communications
going
on
that
the
counties
has
basically
told
you
you
don't
you
didn't,
have
a
permit
for
that.
So
that's
an
unresolved
matter
that
may
end
up
becoming
a
code
violation.
They
just
do
I,
guess
the
counties
doing
their
due
diligence
to
confirm.
If
there's
been
one
or
not.
G
Yeah
and
if
staff
could
be
recognized,
I
mean
we
really
can't.
G
We
can't
I
guess
conduct
the
code
case
here,
because.
G
Have
an
email
from
the
county
that
says
that
the
that
the
paving
is
an
issue.
Having
heard
her
read
the
violation,
the
term
Disturbed
ground
to
me
as
a
code
person
says
that
they
destroyed
the
ground.
Now
she
had
to
she
had
to
put
in
plumbing
and
connect
to
a
meter.
Maybe
that's
what
they
saw.
We
just
don't
know
the
details,
I'm,
not
completely
sure.
L
G
Would
become
ours,
and
we
would
we
would,
you
know,
conducted
in
in
the
context
of
our
code,
which,
from
what
I
can
see,
would
not
comply
with
our
code.
I.
J
Can
tell
you
from
dealing
with
County
Code,
Enforcement
and
city
code
enforcement
are
quoted
Force,
but
here
is
a
lot
more
stringent,
yeah
yeah,
okay.
So
so,
if
you
really
want
compliance,
you
would
probably
get
more
more
likelihood
of
compliance
within
the
city
than
you
would
probably
the
county,
but
that's
just
for
my
observations
of
dealing
with
both
agencies,
so
but
I
I
think
what
it
approved.
J
My
case
when,
when
the
applicant
indicated
that
the
property
next
door
sold-
and
it
was
a
County
property
and
and
whether
they're
putting
a
assisted
living
or
senior
housing
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
I
think
proves
proves
my
argument
that
our
ability
to
control
what
what
you
know
the
use
of
the
property,
because
if,
in
fact,
the
code
enforcements
requirements
are
satisfied,
there's
already
Water
and
Sewer
on
the
property,
there's
no
need
to
Annex,
there's
they're,
paying
a
higher
price
for
the
water
and
sewer.
J
But
nevertheless,
if
you
look
at
the
list
of
permitted
uses,
you
know
if
it's
a
lot
more
comprehensive
or
extensive,
then
we
may
be
in
a
long
term
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot.
So
that's
just
my
my
thought
and
I
and
I:
don't
normally
disagree
with
the
Merrell,
but
I
disagree
with
you
well.
L
The
you
know
a
couple
questions
for
our
attorney,
so
this
is
dated
May.
The
fourth
and
I
know:
they've
got
the
language
in
here
about
violations
500
per
violation,
1
000
per
day.
If
we
were
to
Annex
this
property
and
vote
for
that,
what
happens
with
these
potential
fines?
These.
F
So
after
it
actually
would
come
into
the
city,
it
would
still
be
a
couple
months
to
kind
of
get
the
code
case
up
and
running
now.
If
they
did
get
to
the
point
where
they
issued
an
order.
That
was
a
lien
and
the
lien
stopped
running.
When
the
annexation
took
effect,
then
that
lien
would
stay
on
the
property.
The
annexation
does
not
extinguish
the
lien.
It
only
extinguishes
their
jurisdiction
to
make
a
determination
regarding
compliance.
L
Yeah,
because
dating
of
the
letter
plus
I'm
hearing
that
the
crab
people
don't
leave
until
the
end
of
December,
even
though
they've
taken
them
off
they've
got
there's
a
they
have
a
lease
with
you
and
you're
collecting
revenue
from
that.
So
this
thing
can
go
up
till
the
end
of
December,
which
is
you
know,
that's
seven
months
and
so
December.
M
J
F
F
Can't
because
the
the
approval
of
the
annexation
extinguishes
the
county,
you,
you
would
have
to
start
from
square
one
once
they
come
in,
it
would
essentially
extinguish
the
County's
jurisdiction
over
the
property,
so
there
will
be
no
mechanism
for
them
to
comply
and
there
would
be
no
County
ordinance
unless
it's
something
that's
applicable
within
Municipal
jurisdiction,
so
which
this
is
not.
These
are
all
very
specific,
County
building
violations
so.
F
Also
a
quite
there,
there
would
be
a
question
regarding
the
the
paving
permitting
because,
technically
it
wasn't
in
your
jurisdiction,
when
the
paving
was
done
so
your
jurisdiction
wouldn't
be
the
one
that
was
requiring
the
permit.
So
it
would
almost
extinguish
that
violation
for
them
to
come
in
and.
F
Well,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
paving
and
and
what
was
done
there,
the
bigger
question
that
you
want
to
resolve
is
whether
or
not
it's
going
to
create
drainage
issues
for
the
road.
How
impervious
is
the
material
that
was
put
down?
I,
don't
know
what
the
water
patterns
are.
You
know
if
there's
there's
issues
with
flooding
up
and
down
that
road
or
not.
You
know
so
that
those
are.
Those
are
all
things
that,
like
I,
really
can't
answer,
but
you
would
almost
be
extinguishing
the
unpermitted
work
for
the
paving
by
annexing
it
in.
A
Could
we
not
approve
a
future
annexation
contingent
upon
resolution
of
of
all
Pinellas
County
violations.
F
The
biggest
issue
that
I
see
with
that
is,
is
it's
almost
speculative
in
nature
by
doing
that,
you're
you're,
putting
a
condition
there
and
setting
all
these
things
in
place.
F
That
may
or
may
not
happen,
and
that
can
be
particularly
Troublesome
when
you're
talking
about
a
taxing
district,
because
you
know
what
you're
doing
is
you're
establishing
this
as
part
of
your
taxing
district,
and
if
you
have
something
like
if,
if
for
whatever
reason,
it
doesn't
come
into
compliance,
and
you
have
these
ordinances
out
there
that
never
becomes
a
part
of
your
city,
it's
kind
of
out
there
in
limbo,
I
think
that,
as
a
matter
of
public
policy,
I
would
not
have
an
annexation
contingent
on
anything
and
I.
F
F
F
F
From
my
perspective,
of
what
I
see
the
biggest
issue
is
the
the
potential
Paving
issue
because
of
how
that
would
be
extinguished
by
the
annexation.
It
kind
of
begs
the
question
of:
is
there
a
bigger
issue
underlying
that
Paving?
What's
under
there
you
know,
so
there
could
be
other
things
that
are
problematic
with.
I
I
What's
the
last
approved
site
plan
that
there
is
and
then
excuse
me,
which
we
yeah,
we
we
asked
and
there
isn't
one
it's
too
old.
So
basically,
you
know,
they'd
have
to
go
through,
probably
have
to
go
through
a
site
plan,
approval
process
to
and
and
somehow
I
mean
even
through
aerial
photographs.
We
can
document
certain
things,
but
the
storm
water
is
going
to
have
to
come
into
compliance.
I
I
I,
don't
think
I
don't
think
we
can
I
mean
that
you
know
that
there's
there's
not
an
operating
Swift
Mud
permit.
You
know
for
anything,
you
know,
there's
you
know,
there's
potential
I
mean
there's.
We
know
there's
a
problem,
so
we
cannot
turn
a
blind
eye
to
it.
At
this
point
and
just
say,
oh
well,
because
it
happened
in
the
county,
it
doesn't
exist,
so
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
it
at
a
minimum,
get
them
into
compliance
with
our
stormwater
code
in
a
realistic
manner.
K
F
I
think
the
issue
is
that
there
would
actually
be
additional
code
violations
from
what
I'm
hearing
with
respect
to
the
storm
water
management
that
aren't
even
addressed
in
the
county
code.
So
not
only
are
you
having
things
come
in
that
you
already
know
are
an
issue
there's
additional
potential
code
violations
under
your
code.
That
would
be
in
addition
to
these
particular
Pinellas
County.
I
Storm
water
code
is
extremely
stringent,
there's
they're
more
stringent
than
us.
Frankly,
at
this
point,
although
we're
moving
pretty
quickly
in
that
direction,
we
just
don't
have
the
ordinance
the
stormwater
technical
manual
adopted,
but
this
doesn't
talk
about
that
at
all,
though
well,
it
says
expanded
development
activities,
so
I
think
they
were
kind
of
being.
They
were
painting.
G
I
Brush
to
get
them
in
the
door
find
out
what's
been
done.
Gene
Crossing
is
the
development
review
services
manager.
This
is
what
they
do
on
day
in
and
day
out,
and
you
know
so.
If,
if
they're,
if
Gene's
telling
us
that
there's
unpermitted,
Paving
and
increasing
you
know
Paving
on
the
site,
then
they
have
a
problem.
L
F
I
L
I
J
They're
probably
I've,
run
into
this
before,
and
the
problem
has
been
and-
and
this
is
not
obviously
a
little
bearing
on
this
case-
it
maybe
does
is
you
know:
I
have
a
client
same
situation
in
Pinellas
County
they
had
and
and
for
Paving
that
they
stuff
that
that
finally,
the
county
came
down
that
had
been
that
way
for
40
years:
okay,
there's
no
site
plan
40
years
ago.
They
don't
have
one,
but
it
was
done
about
40
years
ago.
J
J
Don't
know,
maybe
one
doesn't
even
exist,
but
the,
but
they
put
the
onus
on
the
property
owner
on
something
that
may
or
may
never
have
been
necessary
or
required,
or
or
needed
to
be
submitted,
and
because
the
records
aren't
there
and
and
that's
that's
been
problematic
and-
and
so
you
know,
yeah
you're
opening
up
a
camera.
This
again,
this
is
a.
This
is
obviously
not
for.
Today's
discussion,
but
that's
important
when
you're,
when
you're
you're
you're
looking
at
the
applicant,
who
basically
this
county,
says
you're
in
violation,
but
you
don't
have
a
site
plan.
J
J
L
L
D
N
J
Is
and
one
one
question
of
legal
when
we
look
at
these
applicants,
we
look
it
up
on
an
individual
basis,
whether
we
we
approve
one
or
not,
approve
another.
It's
based
on
an
individual
individual
set
of
circumstances
correct,
so
there
is
no
precedure,
that's
being
set.
It's
just
based
on
the
individual
set
of
circumstances
for
this
applicant.
F
That
is
correct.
Sometimes,
though,
what
you
can
see
is,
if
you
consistently
do
something,
then
then
you're
establishing
the
way
that
you're
going
to
do
it
all
right.
But
it's
not
the
same
thing
as
you
would
think
of
as
legal
precedent
where
it's
going
to
be
binding
on
you
as
a
board.
You
still
look
at
the
property
and
the
parcel
as
its
own
individual
piece.
If.
B
B
I
guess
what
I
would
say
my
thoughts
listening
to
everybody
I
still
come
back
actually
to
our
Chairman's
initial.
Excuse
me
our
his
initial
position,
and
you
know
he
said
the
word
precedent.
If
that
becomes
that's
important
to
me
right
and
I
understand
it's
not
purely
legal
precedent,
however
president
nonetheless
and
I
would
I
would
say
that
violations
bother
me
I,
I,
just
feel
that
this
is
premature
and
that
those
violations
should
be
taken
care
of,
and
then
I
don't
see
a
problem.
K
Yes
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
times
with
this
board,
we
do
get
away
from
just
the
basic
ask
in
the
very
beginning
and
as
it
continues
and
as
you
bring
people
back
to
speak
again
and
then
new
information
is
now
given.
Now
we
have
now
we're
considering
her
the
applicants
rendition
of
some
property
that
sold
accordingly,
just
as
she
imagined
and
now
we're
taking
that
into
consideration.
K
Those
are
not
factors
that
we
should
be
considering
in
this,
and
when
we,
you
know,
the
presentation
was
made
when
I
evaluate
these
any
type
of
zoning
I
come
from
a
place
of
no.
That
is
where
I
start,
because
we
have
Zoning
for
a
reason
and
I
come
from
a
place
of
known,
and
you
take
me
to
yes
and
it
has
to
be
a
big.
There
has
to
be
multiple
reasons
to
get
there
and
our
staff
coming
out
with
the
denial
the
first
one
I've
ever
seen
of
an
application.
K
I
think
it
would
just
be
entirely
disrespectful
while
we're
trying
to
build
trust
again
with
our
staff
and
that
you
know
to
just
be
like
well.
How
can
we
work
around
this?
To
further
to
create
a
problem
for
our
code
enforcement
board,
just
for
maybe
having
a
little
bit
of
control
over
just
one
acre
of
this
unincorporated
land,
I,
just
think
the
the
negative
effects
of
this
will
have
the
Precedence.
K
E
E
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
applicant
come
back
when
the
violations
are
resolved
with
the
county,
even
if
that's
not
up
to
our
more
restrictive
standards
and
I'd
also
like
to
see
a
site
plan,
that's
current.
That
shows
the
existing
conditions
pavement
or
not.
Maybe
the
survey
shows
that
maybe
not,
but
this
way
we
have
a
better
grip
on
what
we're
physically
adopting
what
we're,
what
we're
embracing,
what
we're?
What
we're
you
know,
including
in
our
city
and
then
the
use,
is
going
forward.
E
You
know
whether
it's
the
current
owner
or
future
owner
that'll
come
before
this
board
and
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
Also
so
there's
just
too
many
variables
right
now,
and
you
know
whether
the
county
has
more
restrictive
standards
than
we
do
or
not.
On
these
certain
issues,
it's
a
little
ambiguous
and
nebulous
the
the
order
of
the
notice
of
violation
here
about
what
specific
you
know
up,
statutes
or
stipulations
are
in
violation
and
what
you
need
to
do
to
bring
them
into
conformance.
That's
a
discussion
you
can
have.
It
seems
like
they
would.
E
They
would
be
open
to
that.
You
may
or
may
not
want
a
a
land
use
attorney
involved
to
help
you
with
this
or,
if
there's
some
other.
You
know
medium
with
the
county
that
can
kind
of
bridge
bridge
this
for
you,
but
I
would
certainly
like
to
see
it
come
back,
I'd
like
to
get
rid
of
the
jigsaw
look
of
the
zoning
map
and
have
a
continuous
City
flow
into
our
into
Tarpon
Springs.
But
at
this
time,
based
on
everything
represented
here,
I
think
we're
doing
the
city
of
this
service
by
adapting,
unless.
F
You
all
never
you
want
after
you
opened
it
for
more
testimony
and
evidence.
You
never
closed
it.
So
yeah
you.
M
Can
go
ahead,
so
my
question
is:
why
do
I
want
it
on
next,
because
I
didn't
know
like
I
thought,
the
annex
was
just
to
get
the
sewer
you
know
to
from
the
septic
to
sewer
so
like
what
is
it
advantage
to
me
to
have
it
annexed
in
Tarpon,
Springs.
I
L
L
A
No
all
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
seven
application
2381
for
property
located
at
1509,
rainville
Road.
This
is
coordinates,
2023,
17,
18
and
19
for
annexation,
future
land
use
and
rezoning.
It
will
be
much
of
the
same
process
as
the
the
previous
item.
Where
we'll
talk
about
the
three
items
together
and.
G
F
Yeah
read
title
of
ordinance:
20
23-17.
A
G
Thank
you.
This
is
for
annexation
of
property
located
north
of
the
river
up
on
rainville
road,
4.82
Acres,
and
it's
the
I'm.
So.
I
G
It's
this
triangular
piece
here,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
a
property
currently
has
a
metal,
salvage
and
Recycling
business.
The
applicant
has
present
and
can
expand
on
the
use
of
the
site,
basically
up
in
an
area
of
the
city
where
we
do
have
a
fair
amount
of
annexed
property
and
then
there
there
are
some
County
areas.
G
G
G
G
G
So
if
this
were
annexed,
it
would
reduce
the
size
of
that
Enclave,
but
it's
adjacent
to
the
city,
so
so
real
quick.
The
interlocal
agreement
with
the
county
basically
allowed
the
city
to
Annex
non-contiguous
properties.
If
they
could
show
it
was
in
a
larger
enclave,
and
this
was
for
to
give
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
to
make
Services
more
efficient.
G
This
one
is
adjacent
so
that
we
really
don't
it
didn't,
really
didn't
need
to
meet
that
criteria,
but
it
is
in
in
one
of
those
areas,
public
facilities
are
available
to
the
property,
with
the
exception
of
sanitary
sewer
infrastructure.
There's
no
sewer
line
to
this
property.
G
The
nearest
is
on
North
Pinellas
Avenue,
so
the
city
has
the
ability
to
serve
the
property
with
the
exception
of
Wastewater
surface
at
this
time,
a
future
developer
redeveloper
would
have
to
extend
that
line
if,
if
that
were
proposed
or
extend
a
line,
I'm
not
sure
what
what
service
is
nearby.
G
The
property
has
a
non-conforming
use
on
it,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
flipping
back
for
a
second.
Basically,
all
these
uses
around
the
property
are
employment
in
the
county
or
Industrial
Limited,
pretty
much
or
Transportation
utility
public
service.
This
is
the
arto
plan.
For
example,
these
are
City
facilities,
warehousing
some
some
industrial,
industrial
and
Manufacturing,
some
storage,
both
in
the
city
and
the
county.
This
is
considered
a
heavy
industrial
use,
so
it
is
not
conforming
in
the
county
and
it
would
be
in
the
city.
They
do
have
a
county
letter
that
certifies
them.
G
As
a
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
use,
so
this
this
would
be
on
his
face
without
without
really
you
know
going
into
the
details
of
the
operation
as
a
heavy
industrial
use
would
be
judged
incompatible
on
its
face
and
I
will
I
should
have
probably
given
you
a
bigger
oops,
bigger
map,
but
the
city's
heavy
industrial.
Pretty
much
Limited
appear
to
Wesley
Avenue
about
Northeast
of
the
stoffer
site.
So
that's
where
our
heavy
industrial
is
and
then
number
five.
G
G
So
the
board
should
consider
whether
the
status
this
non-conforming
status
would
be
an
issue
that
Criterion
number
four.
That
I
read
earlier.
One
of
the
examples,
besides
code
enforcement
violations
of
something
that
may
Place
undue
burden
on
the
city
was
non-conforming
uses
and
that's
what
this
is
so
in
Industrial
Limited,
the
that
designation
is.
G
Consistent
with
Comprehensive
plant
policies
and
what
the
future
uses
would
be
in
that
area,
and
it
is
also
consistent
with
the
county-wide
plan.
This
is
a
target
employment
area
and
designated
employment
on
the
county-wide
map,
but
it
does
have
that
legal
non-conforming
use
and
it
would
remain
legal
non-conforming
until
it's
terminated
in
the
city.
If
it
were
to
come
into
the
city,
if
it
was
abandoned
for
six
months,
it.
G
Could
not
be
re-established
and
then
the
rezoning,
so
it
would
go
to
Industrial
restricted
zoning,
which
would
be
consistent
with
Industrial
Limited
future
land
use
and
the
industrial
restrictive
zoning
uses
would
be
consistent
and
compatible
with
the
area,
so
future
development
would
be
compatible
with
this
area
and
for
number
three.
G
This
would
bring
it
into
the
appropriate
designations.
And
again
this
would
be
considered
to
be
incompatible
on
his
face,
as
it
exists
now
would
not
promote
orderly
growth.
G
As
far
as
the
burden
on
the
city
I
mean
you
know,
would
as
that
area
changes
or
redevelops,
you
know
there
would
be
compatibility
issues
that
would
need
to
be
addressed
or
could
be
so
there
would
be
that
to
address
and
just
monitoring
the
property
to
ensure
that
it
does
eventually
redevelop
or
come
in
gets
business
tax
received
to
keep
operating
those
types
of
things
so
that
that
would
be
some
of
the
activities
the
city
would
have
to
undertake
If
This
Were
annexed.
G
It
will
not
unduly
impact
City
facilities
again,
there's
no
sewer
service
to
the
property.
They
are
not
asking
for
sewer
service
just
water
service.
So
at
this
time
the
property
can
be
served
so
because,
mainly
of
your
your
criteria,
your
annexation
criteria,
it
kind
of
gives
you
the
discretion
to
judge
the
burden
on
the
city.
Due
to
this
legal
non-conforming
condition,
we
are
recommending
denial
of
this
annexation
and
there
was
no
response
to
public
notice.
Are.
N
J
So
Pat,
let
me
ask
you
this:
if,
if
it's
a
non-conforming
use
and
that
non-conforming
use
is
abandoned
by
the
county
of
it
by
the
applicant,
the
county
is
the
non-conforming
use
goes
away
and
it
has
to
be
conforming
used
even
at
the
county
level.
Yes,.
G
J
If,
if
it's
annexed
into
the
City
and
it
become
as
a
non-conforming
use,
and
then
they
stop
I
think
for
six
months
or
or
greater,
then
it
has
to
be
in
conforming
within
the
city.
That's
correct!.
G
J
G
G
Well,
I
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
a
huge
downside,
I
would
say
you
know
it
is
heavy
industrial,
no
matter
what
happens
around
it
right,
so
anybody
that
comes
in
to
redevelop
to
develop
property
around
that's
in
the
city
that
is
incompatible
already.
G
There
was
a
desire
to
include
this
category
in
in
that
criteria
of
potential
undue
burden
and
and
even
with
the
last
one
we
discussed
the
extent
of
a
code
violation.
You
know
things
like
that
and
I
don't
know
the
attorney
would
agree,
but
as
far
as
establishing
a
pattern
of
whether
you
Annex
or
not,
this
criteria
to
me
gave
staff
Direction,
which
is
why
we
have
these
denials,
but
it
is
pretty
discretionary,
it's
not
a
hard
and
fast,
it
gives
you,
it
says
you
know,
may
cause
and
undue
burden.
So.
K
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
the
answer,
but
I
have
a
consideration.
So
so
right
now
I
mean
you
can
look
at
the
aerial
photographs
you
can
see.
What's
going
on,
it's
a
pretty
heavy
use,
it's
in
pretty
close
proximity
to
residential.
I
J
I
The
the
County's
employment
land
use
designation
is
very
comparable
to
our
Industrial
Limited
designation,
which
is
what
we
were
limited
or
restricted
to
what
what
would
be,
what
we're
proposing
for
the
future
land
use,
they're
they're,
very
close,
in
fact,
if
you
recall
looking
at
our
future
land
use
for
the
comprehensive
plan
purposes
and
the
update
we're
recommending
changing
our
industrial
Light
industrial
designation
to
employment
as
well,
so
that
you
know
so
they're
very
much
in
line
it
is.
I
I
That
the
potable
water
request
is
what
triggered
the
required
annexation,
application,
I'm
gonna,
just
say
I'm
guilty
of
not
knowing
whether
the
property
I
own
really
wants
to
Annex
or
not
I'm
sure
that
might
be
a
question
for
them
at
this
point
as
well.
So
I'll
leave
that
hang
out
for
real.
F
I
So
to
our
knowledge
and
our
correspondence
was
the
county-
they
recognized
it
as
a
legal
non-conforming
use
and
continue
to
operate,
as
is
as
long
as
they
don't
increase
the
intensity
of
the
activity.
Anything
like
that,
you
know,
that's
we're
getting
the
monitor.
You
know
the
monitoring
and
stuff
can
become
some
somewhat
difficult.
Okay,.
B
G
Yes
and
the
county
did
Issue,
there
is,
in
your
back
into
a
site
plan
approval
for
a
truck
weighing
scale
in
2010,
so
the
county
continues
to
process
and
approve.
You
know
improvements
to
the
property,
one.
A
One
thing
that
that
I
kind
of
wonder
about
and
it's
this
is
definitely
different
situation
than
the
other
one,
since
it
is
a
legal,
conforming
use
but
I
I
wonder
about
the
extent
of
the
extra
load.
I
I,
don't
see
it
being
that
much
for
the
the
code
enforcement
inspectors
to
inspect
this,
and,
as
we
have
have
kind
of
pointed
out,
the
the
city
tends
to
be
a
little
tougher.
H
G
G
Yeah,
so
it
yeah
we
we
would
I
mean
if,
if
there
were
something
somebody
complained
about-
and
you
can
ask
the
applicant
if
there's
any
history
of
complaints
at
the
county,
I'm
assuming
they,
you.
N
G
Aren't
operating
real
early
in
the
morning
or
some
something's
going
to
be.
You
know
people
are
going
to
complain
about
noises
I,
don't
know
what
those
you
know.
Complaints
might
might
be.
If
there
were
any.
You
could
ask
them
about
that,
but
yeah.
If
there
were
some
major
expansion
of
the
area,
they'd
start
building
something
without
a
permit
sure
we
we
do
have.
I
Just
honestly,
the
other
concern
you
know-
and
all
you
have
to
do-
is
look
at
the
aerial
photograph
and
look
at
what's
what
is
on
the
property
and
yes,
it's
illegally
non-conforming
use.
It
is
property
line
to
property
line.
I,
don't
see
any
stormwater
controls,
I,
don't
I
mean
there
could
be
environmental
impacts
on
this
property
that
we
just
don't
know
frankly,
and
so
there's
an
element
of
unknown
to
this,
because
it
has
been
in
operation
for
so
long.
E
Quick
question:
Pat:
if
we
were
to
Annex
this
property,
is
there
a
an
Avenue
for
the
owner
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
activities
there?
You
know,
such
as
the
you
know,
a
separate
board
to
assess
that
type
of
use
and
and
whether
or
not
it
can
be
granted.
J
J
K
I
had
a
quick
question:
is
there
when,
when
there's
applications
for
annexations,
do
they
fill
out
a
form
that
like
asks
them
why
they
want
to
Annex.
G
Yes,
we
we
asked
them
why
they
either
email
it
to
us
or
put
it
on
the
form.
Okay,.
G
It
was
on
the
form
and
next
to
so
I
just
put
it
in
the
staff
report,
but
we
can
certainly
include
the
application
where.
K
G
And
let
me
ask
a
question:
so
the
applicant
is
yeah,
she
she
is
the
one
representing,
so
she
needs
to
authorize
you
to
speak
because
I
don't
have
an
affidavit
sure
she
needs
to
come
up
and.
N
O
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
any
board
questions
for
the
applicant.
A
At
this
point,
we'll
open
the
floor
for
public
comments.
Any
members
of
the
public
here
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item,
seeing
none
will
close
the
public
comment
portion
of
our
meeting
I,
don't
think.
There's
anybody
that
needs
rebuttals
or
anything
so
we'll
bring
this
item
back
to
the
board
for
consideration.
I
need
a
motion
and
a
second.
J
J
C
A
C
G
We
have,
we
asked
you
all
about
a
comprehensive
plan.
Workshop
dates,
future
dates.
We
heard
from
most
of
you.
It
looks
like
on
September
25th.
We
only
heard
from
four
of
you
that
could
attend
that.
One
I
think
is
the
one
we
we'd
probably
like
to
know
how
many
can
attend
on
the
20
that
be
next
Monday.
G
So
it's
up
to
you
whether
you
think
that
should
go
forward
or
not
I
think
everybody
was
available
on
October,
23rd
and
October
30th.
So
we
can
look
at
those
dates,
but
probably
want
to
get
your
direction
on
the
25th.
If
you
want
the
full
board
or.
J
L
I
G
We
did
have
the
workshop
set
for
tonight.
I,
don't
know
if
you
still
want
to
do
that
adjourn
a
regular
session
and
start
the
workshop
session
or.
G
A
L
L
C
J
Yes,
we're
starting
to
get
Frankford,
we
got
a
car,
we're
gonna
drive
all
the
way
down,
they
call
it
the
Romantic
it's
world
which
is
which
is
small,
little
Bavarian
Villages
all
the
way
down
to
Brooks.
J
K
J
E
D
K
B
E
E
B
E
A
So
that
yeah,
so
that
we
can
wrap
this
up
funny
in
about
30
minutes
there
you
go
yeah,
do
the
housing.
A
G
I
D
N
I
We
always
recommend
starting
with
the
clean
version,
but
if
you
guys
want
to
start
with
the
strikes,
the
Wonderland
I
certainly
understand
I
guess
we
can
just
start
at
the
top
and
walk
through
it.
Yeah.
H
I
I
D
I
It's
pretty
broad,
simplified
a
little
bit
provide
a
mix
of
housing
to
meet
the
needs
of
existing
and
future
population.
So
that's
abroad.
It's
all
housing,
not
just
affordable.
I
I
K
K
I
I
Attainable
housing
is
really
more
of
the
on
the
low
moderate
income
range,
so
we
do
have
a
goal
to
increase
the
affordable
housing
Supply.
If
you
you
know,
if
that's
a
more
direct
way
to
say
it,
that
you
would
prefer
to
see,
we
do
have
unmet,
affordable
housing
needs
in
the
city,
attainable
housing,
just
a
little
more
gentle
way
to
say
that.
K
I
The
in
just
the
the
county-wide
issue
of
affordable
housing-
you
know
the
county-wide
compact,
you
know
there
there's
a
there's,
a
push
county-wide
to
increase,
affordable
housing.
You
know,
certainly
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
doesn't
need
to
Bear
the
burden
of
all
of
that.
But
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
you
know
for
us
locally,
and
so
you
know
we
do
have
an
unmet
need,
there's
always
going
to
be
an
unmet
need.
K
J
I
This
is
really
important.
It's
it's
working
with
the
affordable
housing
providers
to
under
our
existing,
like
you
know
so,
right
now,
we've
provided
for
an
affordable
housing
bonus
density.
So
that's
working
with
you
know
so,
but
it's
a
conditional
use
process.
It's
something
that
we
have
to
facilitate
to
you
know
in
order
for
for
people
to
get
you
know
the
developers
to
get
through
those
processes.
So
it's
not
meant
to
we're.
D
K
Entire
background
was
all
affordable,
housing
I
mean
sure
it
was
her
job
as
code
hacking
and
doing
all
this
stuff
to
you
know
to
find
the
loopholes
in
codes.
That's
I
mean
that's,
that's
her
expertise
to
do
just
this
and
I.
Just
don't
think
that
we
should
be
seeing
this
burden
on
ourselves
when
we're
already
assisting
everything
and
then
they're
going
to
give
it
to
us
anyways
whether
we
want
it
or
not.
So.
L
A
A
I
There
you
know
attainables,
probably,
is
looking
at
a
broader
range
by
far,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
making
decent
incomes
right
now
that
can't
find
a
a
house
to
buy
in
an
afford.
So
it's
not
attainable.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
little
bit
broader
picture
of
supply
and
demand
issues.
So
it's
not
just
on
affordable
housing.
I
would
say
it's
broader
than
than
affordable
housing.
I
K
I,
don't
know
if
you
watched
the
last
boc
meeting,
but
our
boc
board
members.
Don't
really
you
know,
have
these
words.
These
adjectives
are
using
like
attainable,
I
mean
they.
They
were
having
problems
with.
You
know
malicious
and
words
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
just
throw
words
out
there,
that
we
can't
Define
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
see
like
some
of
these,
why
they
need
to
change.
K
This
is
just
adding
you
know,
words
that
don't
mean
anything
to
just,
but
just
just
to
change
our
objective
too,
that
we
are
going
to
help
this
Housing
Authority
the
affordable
I
mean
that's
really
what
we're
doing
and
knowing
it
was
written
by
somebody
who
works
for
affordable
housing,
I,
just
I
feel
like
the
way,
adding
just
that
we're
going
to
also
assist
the
Housing,
Authority,
non-profit
and
then
keeping
the
rest.
The
same
is
just.
I
D
K
I
K
I
We'll
yeah,
we'll
we'll
revert
that
back,
we'll
add
in
the
you
know,
I
understand
about
you
know,
setting
kind
of
a
policy
of
increasing
you
know
because
it
sounds
like
you
know.
The
logical
way
to
do
that
is
increase
density
and
that's
not
so.
Okay
understand
where
you're
going.
Okay,
all
right.
So
the
next
one
pursue
1.2.1,
provide
information
and
technical
assistance
to
private
sector
to
maintain
a
housing
production
and
capacity
sufficient
to
meet
the
need
for
housing,
choice
and
affordability.
I
J
J
L
J
Don't
it's
efficient
capacity
subjective?
Well,
but
still
you
know
we're
looking
at
it.
One
way
you
look
at
it
in
the
future.
I
don't
want
the
implication
that
that
may
refer
to
well,
let's
we
need
more
density,
then,
if
we,
if
we're
going
to
the
capacity
sufficient
for
sufficient
capacity,
that
that
implies
that
it
could
be
an
increase
in
you
in
density,
yeah.
L
No
there's
no
questions.
What
are
you
saying,
take
just
remove
sufficient,
say
capacity
to
meet
no
capacity.
J
J
D
D
K
M
I
K
I
K
I
Don't
know
if
I
can't
point
it
to
you
when
we
had
the
the
various
both
online
and
the
the
public,
specifically
the
public
workshops.
We
had
boards
that
showed
different
housing
types,
and
we
asked
people
to
to
you
know
put
stickers
on
the
ones
that
they
are
would
be
okay
with
in
their
their
areas.
So,
but.
K
Those
those
those
workshops
were
not
checked
for
either
citizens
residents
or
anybody.
In
fact,
anybody
could
come
in
from
a
non-resident
and
grabs
15
stickers
and
put
them
in
one
spot.
I
witnessed
it
myself,
so
I'm
not
really
too
comfortable
with
just
creating.
You
know
the
words
of
Our
Land
Development
code
based
on
a
non-monitored.
You
know
public
Workshop,
that
I
witnessed
non-residents,
attend
and
throw
stickers
on
whatever
they
wanted.
K
K
I
I
So
is
there
a
consensus
of
wanting
to
change
this
okay
so.
K
I
That
that
objective,
it
was
wrapped
up
in
so
the
overall
went
up
above
that
this
is
the
that,
when
the
non-profit
and
private
sector
to
preserve
struck
out
increase
supply
of
attainable
housing
for
current.
So
it
was
all
kind
of
wrapped
together.
Okay,.
L
I
L
Well,
I
got
to
go
back
to
1.4.2.
Okay,
do
we
really
need
say,
ensure
Housing,
Development,
that's
neat
and
or
exceed
and
or
exceed
kind
of,
puts
a
high
bar.
K
L
I
L
L
I
I
L
When,
when
we
talk
about
in
the
1.4.3,
require
the
developer
to
provide
new
public
facilities,
what's
the
definition
of
public
facilities.
D
D
H
J
J
I
So
no
you
don't,
but
but
this
is
a
common.
This
is
a
common
practice.
You
know
we
don't
have
one
here
in
the
city
but
other
jurisdictions
in
Pinellas
County.
They
very
much
have
expedited
review
processes.
Now
that
might
simply
mean
your
building.
Permit
review
goes
to
the
top
of
the
list.
It's
not
you
know.
We
just
don't
have
any
incentives
from
a
review
process
for
affordable
housing
right
now.
So
we
think
that's
a
deficiency.
L
I
J
J
Because
I
think
that
should
be
the
the
bill.
That
should
be
the
the
task
in
any
event,
to
be
to
be
to
utilize,
streamline
and
review
for
efficiency
building
permit
process.
I
K
J
I
K
I
D
K
K
I
Plan
review
I
think
this
is
more
about
the
plan
review
side
of
of
things.
I
mean
I
say
that
you
know
I
say
that
this
is
referring
the
way
it's
written
today.
The
existing
policy
is
referring
to
the
building,
permit
approval
process.
Now,
I
guess
you
could
step
that
back
and
say
inherently.
That
includes
your
site
plan,
review
process
and
everything.
So
you
know
again
so
something
when
I
was
at
Pinellas
County,
they
very
consciously
when
they
updated
their
Land
Development
code.
I
They
changed
their
Land
Development
code
to
make
affordable
housing
projects
which
come
with
a
bonus
density
as
permitted
by
right.
No
public
hearings
required,
and
they
I
mean
they
purposely
did
that
because
they
are,
they
are
supported
and
it's
a
policy
decision.
They
are
supporting.
You
know
maximum,
affordable
housing
and
removing
those
barriers
that
come
from.
You
know
the
public
hearing
process.
So
you
know
again
those
are
policy
decisions
to
be
made.
I
You
know
we
currently
don't
really
have
anything
that
incentivizes
or
not
incentivizes
but
eases
the
you
know
the
process
or
or
gives
a
priority
to
affordable
housing
even
at
the
building
permit
level.
So
it
follows
everything
else,
so
that
I
think
the
bigger
policy
decision
that
we're
wrestling
with
is
that
appropriate
and
you
know
I,
think
there's
two
schools
of
thought.
I
You
know
obviously
that
I'm
hearing
you
know
so
I
I
need
your
recommendation
on
whether
or
not
that
that's
at
a
high
level
should
should
an
affordable
housing
project
go
to
the
top
of
the
list
on
a
building,
permit
review
or
should
It
Go
in
line
with
everything
else.
That's
that's
one
consideration.
J
If
I'm
building
a
house,
John
does
not
me,
but
any
Resident
at
Tarpon
Springs
is
building
a
house.
He's
got
interest
rates.
Construction
costs,
everything
that
they're
that
they've
got
to
pay
every
month
until
they
get
their
permit
or
if
they're,
they're
financing
and
it's
fundamentally
unfair.
It
presents
to
be
financially
impacted
more
so
because
the
developer
is
coming
in
and
building
multiple,
affordable
housing
units
and
his
project
gets
put
on
the
top
shelf
as
a
detriment
of
John
Doe
taxpayer
who's
trying
to
build
a
house.
Let.
K
The
counties
in
the
cities
that
need
and
have
the
space
for
more
development
incentivize
these
developers.
Why
are
we
incentive
if
they
want
this?
What
we
have
that
they're
going
to
take
it,
they
they
are
to
live
local
act,
gives
them
that
opportunity.
Why
are
we
trying
to
incentivize
them
with
the
less
than
10
percent
less?
We
have
for
development,
make
them
work
for
it
if
they
want
it
so
bad.
Why
are
we
doing
that?
They
they
want?
They
can
do
it.
K
You've
made
it
clear
in
the
last
minute,
then
we
have
to
go
the
TRC.
They
have
10
days,
there's
other
counties
and
cities
that
get
the
millions
of
dollars
that
pass.
That
there's
available
to
these
you
know
was
it
5.1,
7
million
dollars
that
these
developers
are
that
have
to
spend
and
there's
tons
of
places
that
that
need
and
have
all
the
space
to
build.
We.
K
Honest
and
they
haven't
got
into
the
building,
permit
so
they're,
going
to
give
out
they're
going
to
start
giving
the
permits
away,
incentivize
those
and
we're
gonna,
and
that's
why
individuals
have
to
pay
for
them.
But
the
developers
won't
because
we're
going
to
incentivize
them
to
come
here
and
that
all
eventually
comes
back
on
the
taxpayer.
I
L
H
B
D
D
J
K
K
I
I
I
L
A
A
A
D
I
J
L
K
J
K
I
know:
we've
discussed
it
in
the
original.
The
very
first
meeting,
with
the
consult
with
the
workshop.
B
J
I
L
I
I
Mr
chairman:
how
late
do
you
want
to
go
this
evening?
Because
before
we
get
into
like
hip
deep
into
the
mobile
home
stuff,
it
might
be
a
good
might.