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C
A
Right
that
brings
us
to
item
four
approval
of
minutes,
looks
like
we're.
Approving
the
February
27
2023
minutes
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second
and
then
we
can
have
discussion.
If
there's
any
comments
on
it,.
E
D
A
That
brings
us
to
item
number
five.
The
quasi-judicial
announcement
and
swearing
of
speakers
would
our
attorney
lead
us
in.
F
Thank
you
Mr
chairman.
Yes,
the
applications
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections.
F
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
meets
the
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
approve
the
application.
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
does
not
meet
the
criteria
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
to
deny
the
application
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
F
All
testimony
and
questioning
at
this
hearing
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
and
material
to
the
application
under
consideration.
Any
board
members
who
have
disclosures,
such
as
ex
parte
Communications,
are
conflicts
of
interest.
Please
make
your
disclosures
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure
for
this
quasi-judicial
hearing.
First,
the
city
will
present
the
application,
and
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
cross-examine
the
city
and
the
city
Witnesses.
Then
the
applicant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
present
their
testimony
and
evidence
for
this
hearing.
F
Then
any
proponents
of
the
application
and
opponents
of
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
speak
after
all,
testimony
and
evidence
as
presented.
The
public
hearing
will
be
closed
for
the
board's
deliberation
and
decision
on
this
matter.
At
this
time.
Anybody
who
wishes
to
speak
please
stand
to
take
the
oath,
raise
your
eye,
and
do
you
all
swear
to
tell
the
truth
on
the
matters
here
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
this
evening
state
your
name
address
and
indicate
that
you've
been
sworn
prior
to
proceeding
with
your
testimony
chairman.
A
G
Yes,
Ali
Keane
senior
planner
with
the
planning
and
zoning
department.
This
application
is
for
site
plan
review
for
the
calculus
Forest
property.
It's
under
resolution
number
2023-28.
The
property
is
approximately
0.11
acres
in
size.
The
property
is
located
within
the
special
area
plan.
Therefore,
it's
regulated
by
the
smart
code
specifically
has
a
future
land
use,
designation
of
crd
community
redevelopment
district
and
it's
in
the
South
Pinellas
Avenue
character.
District,
the
current
Transit
zone
is
the
t5a
South
Pinellas
AB
Zone,
and
the
applicants
are
here
tonight
proposing
to
put
a
second
story.
G
Addition
on
the
existing
building,
the
Second
Story
will
be
utilized
as
a
residential
unit
and
office
space
for
the
property
owner.
They'll
also
have
a
small
first
story:
Edition
just
over
400
square
feet,
which
will
basically
be
an
entryway
and
staircase
to
get
to
the
second
floor.
Edition,
the
project
requires
a
total
of
three
parking
spaces
and
those
are
existing
on
site
in
the
rear
that
are
accessed
by
the
alley
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
code
requirement
and
they
are
proposing
Landscaping
along
the
Pinellas
Ave
Frontage.
G
The
property
is
outlined
in
yellow
here
on
the
screen.
Again,
this
property,
as
well
as
all
the
surrounding
areas
within
the
special
area
plan,
this
property
is
in
the
t5a
zone,
which
is
the
dark
orange
color
along
Pinellas
Avenue
to
the
east
of
the
site,
is
the
t4b
Zone,
which
is
a
residential
industrial
office,
Zone
and
then
further
west
there's
the
t4d
zone.
G
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan.
The
pinellasab
frontage
is
over
here.
The
alley
is
along
the
rear
of
the
property.
On
this
side,
the
existing
building
footprint
is
outlined
in
Orange
on
the
screen,
and
the
area
outlines
in
blue
is
the
first
floor.
Edition
again
that's
going
to
be
accommodating
an
entryway
and
staircase
and
I
believe
a
small
half
bath.
G
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
Landscaping
plan
in
this
transect
Zone
Landscaping
is
not
necessarily
required
unless
there's
open
parking,
it's
used
to
screen
parking.
In
this
case,
the
parking
which
is
in
the
rear
of
the
property
is
fully
screened
by
the
building.
However,
the
applicant
is
proposing
Landscaping
along
the
Pinellas
at
Frontage,
including
a
tree
and
some
shrubs
along
the
front.
G
G
They
provided
floor
plans
for
your
review.
The
area
outlines
in
blue
again
is
the
addition
on
the
first
store.
First
story:
the
ground
floor
will
still
be
utilized
by
the
florists
and
that's
not
proposed
to
change,
and
then,
when
looking
at
the
upper
story,
again,
it's
going
to
be
residential
living
space
as
well
as
some
office
space
for
the
property
owner.
G
The
review
criteria
for
a
site
plan
are
shown
here
on
the
screen.
First
is
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
application
is
found
to
be
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
specifically
the
intent
of
the
South
South
Pinellas
Ave
character,
District,
which
encourages
mixed-use
development
with
retail
ground
floor
and
residential
or
office
uses
on
the
upper
stories.
G
Consistency
with
the
Land
Development
code,
in
this
case
the
smart
code.
It
is
found
to
be
in
compliance
with
all
applicable
requirements
of
the
smart
code,
and
we
have
outlined
those
in
a
detailed
table
in
the
staff
report.
Number
three
is
consistency
with
the
concurrency
management
system.
The
project
can
be
served
by
existing
City
facilities,
and
the
proposed
impacts
of
the
project
are
not
expected
to
adversely
affect
the
city's
ability
or
their
facilities
to
serve
the
property.
G
With
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2023-28
of
the
site
plan
proposal.
We
do
have
two
conditions
which
are
standard
conditions
that
we
typically
have
one
being
site
construction
plans
being
consistent
with
the
approved
site
plan
and
the
second
is
the
site.
Plan
expires
one
year
from
the
effective
date
unless
they've
applied
for
a
building
permit
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
G
For
that
that
building
so
the
existing
retail
space
in
the
park
or
in
the
smart
code
exempts
retail
spaces
that
are
less
than
1500
square
feet
in
area
and
that's
net
retail
space,
so
the
retail
portion
of
the
project
doesn't
require
any
parking.
The
residential
requires
two
parking
spaces
and
then
just
for
clarity,
I
didn't
really
point
it
out:
yeah
they're
in
the
rear.
Here
they
have
two
spot
spaces
here,
and
they
also
have
a
space
here
that
could
either
be
for
the
owner
or
an
employee.
Thank.
E
Just
briefly,
maybe
I
missed
it.
Is
there
parking
out
front
right
now.
G
H
So
Andrew
pavlis
417,
South,
Pinellas,
Avenue,
Tarpon,
Springs,
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
me,
so
I'm
an
architect
as
well,
so
I'm,
the
one
designing
it
and
I'll
be
submitting
the
permit
drawing
sport.
So
I
don't
know
we're
excited
to
do
it.
We
might
make
a
little
changes
to
what
we
were
in
Greece
last
month
and
we
got
some
more
ideas
so
but
we'll
make
sure
like
the
overhangs
aren't
Jeopardy
line
and
things
like
that
it'll
be
all
to
code.
D
Just
have
a
comment:
yeah,
first
of
all,
the
keyless
floors
have
served
this
community
for
a
long
time
and
served
it
well,
so
they
family
for
that
and
I
I
when
I
saw
the
picture
reminded
me
of
Greece,
so
it
looks
nice.
In
any
event,
that
was
just
by
comment.
E
C
A
Thank
you.
Seeing
none
we'll
open
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
meeting.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
here
to
speak
in
favor
or
against
the
proposal.
A
Seeing
none
will
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration.
I
need
a
motion
and
a
second
and
then
we
can
discuss.
D
D
Those
type
of
improvements,
I
think
just
it
just
enhances
the
the
southern
Corridor
coming
into
tarpon
ENT
and.
A
G
Alakin
again
and
all
right,
this
is
a
conditional
use
request
under
resolution
number
2023-27.
The
property
is
located
at
122,
West,
Cedar
Street,
specifically
on
lot
11..
The
property
size
is
just
about
3550
square
feet
in
area.
The
current
future
land
use
designation
is
CG
commercial
General
and
the
current
zoning
is
wd1,
which
is
the
Waterfront
development
District.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
construct
a
single-family
dwelling
on
this
property.
Single-Family
dwellings
are
conditional
use
within
the
wd-1
Sony
District.
G
The
dwelling
is
proposed
to
be
two
stories
with
the
majority
of
the
first
story
being
a
garage
parking
under
the
main
living
space.
The
property
is
located
within
a
flood
plain
and
is
required
to
be
elevated.
A
certain
height
above
base
flood
elevation,
but
they
are
proposing
to
have
a
small
portion
of
the
ground
floor
about
450
square
feet
be
living
space.
It
will
be
elevated
to
meet
FEMA
requirements,
but
again
the
majority
of
the
living
space
will
be
on
the
upper
story,
which
is
just
under
1500
square
feet
in
size.
G
The
property
is
outlined
in
yellow
here
on
the
screen.
Again,
it's
in
the
wd-1
zoning
District.
All
of
the
light
blue
properties
here
on
the
screen
are
in
the
wd1
district.
The
property
has
residential
multi-family
zoning
to
the
north
and
east
and
across
the
street,
on
Cedar
Street
and
there's
r60,
which
is
one
in
two
family
residential
zoning
across
Athens.
G
This
is
just
looking
at
an
aerial
shot
of
the
property.
It
is
a
vacant
lot.
It's
a
historic,
historically
plotted
piece
of
property.
The
applicants
do
own
and
it's
their
primary
residence
next
door
to
the
east.
All
of
the
properties
within
the
immediate
area
are
single-family
residences,
except
for
I
believe
these
two
are
commercial
properties.
How
they're
developed.
G
This
is
the
proposed
site
layout.
The
applicants
went
before
the
board
of
adjustment
back
in
April
of
this
year
to
ask
two
items.
The
first
was
recognition
of
the
historic
lot
as
a
non-conforming
lot
of
record
to
determine
if
it's
buildable,
the
board
did
determine
that.
It
was
the
non-conforming
lot
of
record
and
it
was
buildable
and
they
also
requested
approval
of
a
reduced
setbacks.
They
were
asked
for
16
feet
from
the
front
and
10
from
the
rear
and
those
both
were
approved,
and
then,
if
they
were
not
approved,
they
would
have
been
required.
G
Typically,
with
a
conditional
use
request,
you
are
required
to
have
a
site
plan
application
submitted
with
that
request.
This
is
a
little
unique
because
single-family
residences
do
not
require
site
plan
approval.
They
just
go
through
the
building
permit
process,
but
the
applicant
did
provide
floor
plans
and
elevations
for
your
consideration
as
a
part
of
their
application.
These
are
their
proposed
floor
plans
and
just
for
clarity.
This
is
this:
is
the
front
at
the
top.
You
can
see
the
ground
floor.
This
is
primarily
the
garage
space.
G
There
are
some
steps
that
go
up
to
meet
the
FEMA
requirements
and
then
the
small
back
portion
here
is
where
some
living
space
is
located
and
then
the
Upper
Floor
is
the
main
living
space
and
it
accommodates
two
bedrooms
in
an
open
floor
plan.
They
also
have
a
proposed
open
Lanai
that
has
a
covered
balcony
above
the
garage.
G
These
are
the
proposed
elevations
provided
by
the
applicant
again.
The
main
entrance
is
from
the
front
with
the
garage
accessing
the
ground
floor,
and
then
they
also
have
a
side
entrance
I
believe
to
get
up
to
the
second
story
as
well.
This
is
the
front
elevation,
the
rear
elevation,
and
then
these
are
your
side
elevations.
They
did
provide
some
projections
and
covering
above
the
front
door
as
well
as
the
balcony
overhangs
slightly
on
the
Second
Story,
to
provide
some
depth
to
the
to
the
facade
of
the
building.
G
This
property
again
is
in
wd1
zoning
that
zoning
district
is
intended
really
to
be
tourist,
oriented
development.
It
really
was
the
cities,
I
would
say:
First
mixed-use
Development
that
we
had
established.
The
property
has
been
in
this
zoning
since
1976.
back
at
that
time,
single-family
residences
were
also
conditional
use
requests.
At
that
time,
the
property
is
like
I,
said
more
geared
towards
mixed-use
tourist
development,
commercial.
G
It's
just
not
as
conducive
to
commercial
development,
which
is
permitted
by
right
prior
to
the
special
area
plan
being
adopted
in
2011,
a
majority
of
the
area.
Well,
all
of
the
area,
that's
in
this
special
area
plan,
this
area
in
Gray
was
all
with
the
wd-1
zoning
District.
G
Once
that
plan
was
adopted,
they
designated
the
boundary
of
where
we
intended
mixed
use
and
more
walkable
development
in
commercial
residential
mixture.
Would
it
be
accommodated
in
the
future
and
that
boundary
was
north
of
the
subject
property
today
within
the
area
there's
only
21
Parcels
that
remain
in
the
wd-1
zoning
district
and
they're
outlined
here
on
the
screen
in
blue
well,
they're
in
Black
dotted
line
most
of
those
properties,
11
of
them
are
single-family
residences.
G
There
are
eight
vacant
properties
within
the
21
parcels
and
then
two
which
I
believe
are.
These
two
here
are
commercial
and
I
believe
that
they're
unoccupied.
G
Again
kind
of
focusing
on
the
context
of
the
area
in
this
immediate
area,
it
really
is
predominantly
single
family
residential.
The
construction
dates
really
vary.
There's
a
lot
of
properties
that
are
developed
in
the
early
1900s,
but
there's
ones
that
have
been
developed
within
the
last
couple
years
in
the
2020s,
but
I
would
say,
majority
of
the
residential
structures
were
built
in
the
1920s.
G
The
non-residential
development
is
mostly
concentrated
along
Pinellas
Avenue
and
then
the
southern
portion
of
Athens
Street
down
here
and
then
obviously
the
Sponge
Docks
to
the
north
of
the
property.
The
property
is
in
the
Greektown
National
register
historic
district,
traditional
cultural
property.
This
District
does
recognize
the
cultural
history
of
the
area,
but
does
not
have
established
specific
design
regulations,
and
it
is
comprised
of
a
variety
of
different
building
types
and
uses.
G
G
This
is
your
review.
Criteria
for
conditional
use.
First
is
conformance
with
Land
Development
code,
with
the
exception
of
the
approved
setback
deviations
the
project
does
meet
all
applicable
standards
of
the
Land
Development
code.
It
will
also
be
required
to
meet
all
building
fire
and
FEMA
requirements
as
well.
Number
two.
The
proposed
project
is
in
a
predominantly
single-family
residential
area.
G
The
smaller
historic
lot
size
is
more
conducive,
as
I
mentioned,
to
a
single
family
residence
rather
than
in
commercial
use,
which
would
have
to
accommodate
parking
on
site,
as
well
as
large
buffer
areas
between
the
adjacent
residential
uses.
The
property's
been
in
the
wd-1
zoning
District
since
1976,
which
at
that
time
it
was
expected
to
develop
more
mixed
use
in
that
area,
but
we
have
found
that
it's
really
remained
predominantly
single
family
and
then
the
adoption
of
the
special
area
plan
did
better
Define
that
mixed
use
area
to
the
north
number
three.
G
The
use
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
property
is
in
the
commercial
General
future
land
use
category.
However,
it
does
allow
residential
uses
on
properties
that
are
less
than
five
acres
in
size.
So
it's
only
well
it's
less
than
four
thousand
square
feet
in
size,
so
it
does
need
that
requirement
number
four.
These
will
not
adversely
impact
historical
or
environmental
resources.
The
property
is
not
in
a
proposed
environmentally
sensitive
site.
G
The
subject
property
is
in
the
Greektown
historic
district
and
it
does
recognize
the
cultural
history
of
the
area,
but
does
not
establish
the
specific
design
regulations
for
new
development
number
five.
We
are
not
expecting
this
to
adversely
affect
the
adjoining
property
values.
Again,
it's
in
a
predominantly
single
family
area
and
a
single-family
structure
on
a
small
lot
is
more
conducive
to
that
area,
as
opposed
to
commercial
development.
Number
six,
the
use
will
not
adversely
impact
the
city's
capacity
to
serve
the
facility.
G
It's
served
by
existing
facilities
and
there's
no
need
to
extend
facilities
to
serve
the
development
number
seven.
The
project
does
represent
efficient
and
orderly
development
by
utilizing
an
existing
infill
lot
and
it's
served
by
existing
infrastructure
and,
lastly,
it's
not
expected
to
adversely
affect
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
G
Based
on
that
analysis,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2023-27
for
the
conditional
use
for
single-family
home.
We
do
have
one
condition.
Typically
site
plans
would
have
one
year
to
obtain
their
or
to
apply
for
a
billing
permit,
in
this
case,
we're
recommending
that
a
building
permit
for
the
construction
of
the
single
family
dwelling
be
obtained
within
one
year
of
the
effective
date,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
F
D
G
So
so,
there's
there's
two
different
ways:
right
now:
they're
not
proposing
it
to
be
a
full
separate
unit,
they're,
not
having
a
full
kitchen
in
that
location.
If
they
wanted
to
change
that
in
the
future
one
they
could
potentially
use
it
as
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
because
it
meets
the
size
requirements.
However,
the
main
living
space
would
have
to
be
owner
occupied
the
other
option
to
use
it
as
an
actual
like
tourist
rental
or
an
Airbnb
type
use
that
requires
conditional
use.
G
F
If
I
make
sure
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
you're,
offering
the
city's
file
on
this
matter
for
the
board's.
F
Evidence
and
your
credentials
are
on
file
with
the
city.
Correct.
Okay,
in
looking
at
this
I
know
that
in
the
r60
and
the
RM
they
have
limitations
on
the
rentals,
like
the
42-day
provision
or
45
days,
something
like
that
right,
six
weeks,
yeah
six
weeks.
Yes,
that
does
that
apply
in
the
wd-1
district.
Yes,
so
it!
So
it's
the
same
because
part
of
what
why
I'm
asking
is
I
was
kind
of
curious.
Why
it
didn't
just
go
through
a
rezoning
rather
than
the
conditional
use.
So.
G
In
this
case,
because
the
property
has
a
conditional
use
option,
it
seemed
more
appropriate
to
go
through
that
Avenue
as
opposed
to
fully
rezoning
the
property.
It
also
would
not
be
there's,
there's
no
zoning
District
that
really
the
lot
itself
could
conform
to
it's
a
non-conforming
lot
of
record
that
was
recognized
by
Board
of
adjustment,
but
we
don't
have
any
I.
Think
r60
has
the
smallest
slot
size,
which
is
5
000
square
feet,
so
they
probably
would
have
to
get
variances.
On
top
of
that,
I
would
believe.
F
The
other
question,
then,
along
those
same
lines
regarding
the
the
short-term
rental
issue.
Is
there
anything
in
the
code
that
precludes
them
from
putting
a
kitchen
or
a
kitchenette
or
something
else
like
that
in
that
unit.
G
If
just
looking
at
the
ground
floor
area
has
to
be
on
the
same
utilities
as
the
primary
residence-
that's
probably
the
case
here,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
the
upper
story
would
have
to
be
owner
occupied
based
on
my
conversations
with
the
applicant
and
they
expand
on
that
they're
utilizing
this
really
for
their
family.
They
have
a
large
family
that
visits.
A
A
We've
run
into
this
kind
of
situation
before
and
and
I
don't
recall
the
outcome,
but
in
in
the
historic
district,
since
there
are
no
specific
criteria
for
development,
do
we
have
the
ability
to
place
any
requirements?
As
far
as
what
the
structure
looks
like
to
to
relate
in
some
small
way
to
the
context
of
the
neighborhood.
F
You
don't
if
it's
not
currently
written
into
your
code
and
when
you
adopt
those
design
criteria,
there
is
some
stringent
structure
that
has
to
go
into
how
you
do
that,
how
you
apply
it
if
it's
not
already
part
of
your
historic
district,
so
you
can't
put
design
criteria
on
it.
However,
you
can
put
conditions
on
things
like
its
specific
use
as
a
residential
property
in
this
District,
because
that
is
the
condition
that
you're
granting
you're
allowing
a
residential
use
and
what
would
otherwise
be
a
commercially
zoned
property.
G
K
I
do
my
name
is
Tom
sabot
I
live
at
122
West
Cedar
Street
in
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
my
wife
and
I
lived
there.
We
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
review
this.
We
purchased
the
property
back
in
2017
and
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
beforehand
to
make
sure
that
the
property
could
have
two
dwellings
on
it.
K
K
The
upstairs
is
about
1420
square
feet,
and
then
you
have
the
big
open,
porch
extended
out
in
the
front,
to
give
it
some
relief
and
to
give
us
a
design,
we're
going
to
probably
extend
that
out
about
two
feet
from
the
bottom
floor,
just
to
give
it
more
relief,
the
garage
door
that
you
saw
there
is
10
foot,
it's
not
going
to
be
10
foot,
there's
design,
changes
that
have
to
be
made
here.
That's
going
to
come
down.
K
The
garage
door
is
going
to
come
down
two
feet:
the
over
the
will,
probably
from
the
front
door.
We're
probably
going
to
have
the
roof,
extend
from
side
to
side
all
the
way
across
the
whole
garage.
It
won't
be
just
over
the
door
like
that
and,
like
I
said,
the
garage
door
is
going
to
come
down
so
that
aesthetically
it'll
add
a
lot
to
the
to
the
structure.
The
garage,
the
doors
on
the
side
of
the
building
one
is
for
access
to
the
garage.
K
E
K
There
is
a
door,
there
is
a
door
for
you
know
for
exit
for
safety,
for
them
to
exit
out
of
about
the
middle
of
that
room.
It's
it's
basically,
just
one
room
with
a
bathroom,
that's
it!
It's
got
a
sink.
You
know
refrigerator.
D
Welcome
so
we're
you
know,
to
the
extent
that
we
approve
this,
and
you
know
for
for
my
purposes.
You
know
this
is
brought
before
us
as
a
single
family
home,
not
a
multi-family
location.
Yes,
you
know,
and
and
so
to
the
ex,
to
the
extent
that
that
is
a
condition
that
we
place
on
this
property.
That's
something
that
when
I
call
you
any
agena.
K
No,
it
would
not
all
right
the
you
know,
like
I
said,
if
we
are
able
to
do
a
long-term
lease
for
rental
and
that's
acceptable,
find
that
might
be
an
option
for
us
upstairs.
The
downstairs
unit
is
mainly
for
my
family.
We
have
12
siblings
between
the
two
of
us
and
we
need
more
room.
So
that's
what
that
mainly
will
be
used
for
that
will
not
be
rented
out
at
all.
So.
K
But
also
I
wanted
to
mention
too
Cedar.
Street
does
not
have
any
commercial
businesses
along
the
whole
street.
We
would
be
the
first
ones,
I
think
that's
wrong.
I
think
that
you
know
back
in
76
when
they
set
up
this
wd-1
for
this
area.
They
wanted
to
extend
it
as
far
as
they
could,
so
they
made
sure
that
they
had
enough
room
for
growth.
It's
residential
there.
K
K
All
of
you
just
drove
up
and
down
to
the
canis
down
Alternate
19
down
Tarpon
Avenue
I
counted
44
vacant
commercial
businesses,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
another
one
and
and
with
the
stipulations
that
they
set
up
for
commercial
businesses
on
the
wdi
or
one
whatever
it
is,
they
made
they
set
it
up
for
a
failure.
I
mean
they're
not
trying
to
make
a
business
work
on
those
parameters.
K
A
J
J
Parallelogram
of
a
space
does
not
make
any
sense
to
us
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
rest
of
the
Lots
from
their
house
all
the
way
back
to
Pinellas
on
the
north
side
of
Cedar
Street,
there's
only
two
houses
there
and
there's
three
other
vacant
lots
and
these
other
three
houses
last
all
all
have
the
same
designation,
WD,
whatever
it
is,
and
for
us
it
makes
no
sense
to
put
commercial
space
in
there.
It
makes
perfect
sense
to
make
it
residential.
So
my
wife
and
I,
we
absolutely
support
the
the
application
of
the
zabats.
L
Tina
bukavalas
115
Athens
Street,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
that
you
had
Mr
Seaman
and
the
attorney's
answer:
I'm,
going
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
There's
something
else
about
that.
I
would
like
to
bring
up,
but
first
I
want
to
lay
a
little
groundwork.
As,
of
course,
you
all
know,
the
Greektown
district
has
been
on
the
national
register
as
a
historic
district,
with
an
extra
added
layer
of
significance
for
its
cultural
value.
L
Since
2014
and
the
national
register
nomination
details
that
District
residential
architectural
Styles
reflect
Florida,
vernacular,
Cottage
and
house
forms
a
specialty
frame
vernacular
and
in
Greektown
there
are
mostly
one
and
two
story
with
steeply
sloped,
Gable
and
hip
roofs
and
exterior
wood
drop,
siding.
Many
of
them
are
Bungalow
Styles
and
our
one
or
one
and
a
half
stories
with
shallow
pitched
Gable
roofs
perpendicular
to
the
street
and
a
porch
extending
across
the
facade.
L
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
house
already
built
by
the
applicants
and
the
one
proposed,
do
not
reflect
in
either
scale
or
style.
These
local
building
Traditions.
As
many
of
you
know,
who
can
just
look
around
and
see
the
other
buildings
there,
so
they're
planning
a
two-story
house
with
a
60
by
26
foot
print,
as
has
been
made
clear.
The
bottom
includes
a
space
that
is
actually
a
separate
living
facility,
however
small,
and
that
is
not
maybe
not
a
full
kitchen,
but
a
small
kitchen
with
a
sink
and
a
refrigerator
and
everything.
L
The
top
floor
has
two
bedrooms:
two
baths
baths
kitchen
living
room
area.
Each
floor
has
1560
square
feet:
a
total
of
31
120
square
feet,
which
is
enormous
for
the
Greektown
area,
where
houses
average
about
2
000
square
feet
or
less
it's
on
a
40
by
100
foot
lot.
My
lot,
a
few
blocks
down,
Athens
Street
is
similar
and
in
my
1100
square
foot
house
that
sankara's
family,
just
so
you
can
know,
raised
three
children.
L
So
this
is
really
an
enormous
amount
of
square
feet
for
the
district
and,
as
they
have
said
and
has
said
in
their
application,
they
want
to
accommodate
family
but
also
keep
all
other
options
open,
which
seems
to
mean
rental,
particularly
for
the
Upper
Floor
I.
Don't
know
why
we're
talking
you
can
talk
about
commercial
properties
and
everything,
but
really
what
the
district
needs
is
small,
affordable,
Bungalows,
not
over
large
rental
properties.
L
Now
we
heard
what
the
attorney
said.
There
are
no
guidelines,
but
as
the
staff
has
quoted
regarding
other
properties
relatively
recently,
the
Tarpon
Springs
smart
code
states
that
quote
architecture
and
landscape
design,
should
grow
from
local
climate
topography,
history
and
building
practice.
Unquote.
L
Moreover,
just
for
you
to
know
section,
106
of
the
National
Historic
preservation
act
says
that
adverse
effects
on
historical
resources
can
include
the
introduction
of
incompatible
visual
elements.
Thus,
a
building
that
does
not
reflect
architectural
Norms
would
have
an
adverse
effect
on
District
Integrity.
L
So,
while
I
welcome
buildings
that
reflect
vernacular
architectural
scale
and
style,
the
Greektown
historic
district
should
be
protected
from
inappropriate
development.
So
I
disagree
with
item
number
four
in
today's
staff
review
criteria
that
the
use
will
not
adversely
impact
historical
or
environmental
resources
does
whether
or
not
there
are
specific
regulations
in
place.
Now
the
city
has
begun
the
Greektown
historic
district
Vision
plan
project,
which
will
include
guidelines
for
development.
L
So
that's
basically
my
point,
but
I
also
do
want
to
note
that
at
the
last
word
of
Commissioners
meeting
discussing
another
property
that
came
up
in
the
Greektown
historic
district,
the
staff
wasn't
sure
who
would
be
able
to
verify
whether
plans
reflect
local
vernacular
architecture
and
I,
wasn't
sure
and
other
people
weren't
sure
whether
they
meant
who
would
be
able
to
decide
in
terms
of
style
or
in
terms
of
the
board
that
would
review
this,
but
either
possibility
either.
One
of
those
reflects
a
systemic
weakness.
L
There
is
information
about
these
vernacular
Styles
available
in
books
or
the
national
register
nomination,
and
an
adjustment
or
expansion
of
board
responsibilities
could
easily
deal
with
this
so
and
since
the
Greektown
District
was
listed
almost
10
years
ago,
I
think
this
is
something
that
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
should
happen
soon.
Thank
you.
A
F
Not
unless
it's
part
of
the
code
that
you're
applying
I
I
did
hear
her
say
that
there
was
a
provision
in
the
smart
code
that
talked
about
the
architecture
and
landscape
and
all
of
that.
But
this,
the
smart
code
is
not
applicable
to
this
particular
project,
correct
correct,
so
that,
because
that
that's
part
of
that
special
area
plan,
that's
literally
like
just
a
couple
blocks
over
correct
right.
D
And
so
I
guess
my
my
comment
would
be
you
know
is
that
you
know
there
are
there.
If
you,
you
could
see,
there's
quite
a
few
other
buildable
lots
and
in
the
area
and
and
until
there's
there's
a
design
requirement.
I
I,
don't
know
you
know
it's
under
our
purview
to
require
a
an
applicant
to
design
a
house.
D
I
mean
that's
my
family
home
right
there
and
I
and
and
I
own
all
the
products
me
and
my
brother
on
that
property
there.
You
know
we
know
eventually
we're
going
to
do
something
with
it.
Maybe
not,
but,
but
so
so
these
decisions
actually
impact
my
future
as
far
as
what
we
intend
to
do
on
that
property.
Obviously
you
know
we
lived
there.
D
We
grew
up
there
based
and,
and
we
you
know,
the
still
family
lives
there
based
on
not
just
the
neighborhood,
but
because
also
the
historic
content
and
close
to
the
Sponge
Docks.
But
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
wherewithal
or
the
ability
to
get
some
speaking
to
the
to
the
board.
Maybe
legal
could
correct
me,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
the
Authority
to
to
get
into
design
requirements.
Quite
frankly,.
F
And
where
your
Authority
would
lie
would
be
in
making
recommendations
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
for
what
you
would
want
to
see
in
that
regard
incorporated
into
the
Land
Development
code
and
the
smart
code.
But
my
understanding
is
that
this
area
is
going
to
come
under
the
purview
of
the
historic
preservation
board.
Or
is
it
not
going
or
is
that
not
going
to
be
expanded?
Is
that
too
easy.
G
That's
two
to
be
determined
just
for
clarity,
about
the
the
project
that
we
have
going
on
for
Greektown.
It's
a
place
making
project
and
really
the
outcome
or
the
result
of
that
project
is
to
see
what
does
the
community
actually
want
for
the
area?
Do
they
want
regulations
or
design
requirements?
Do
they
not
want
desire
requirements?
G
Do
they
want
to
be
in
the
historic
district
with
the
board,
or
do
they
not
that
type
of
information?
And
basically,
once
that's
determined?
The
next
step
is
then,
whatever
implementing
plan
we
need.
D
To
do
give
you
a
prime
example,
if
you
know
which
house
I'm
talking
about
I,
don't
care
where
you
think
it
is
it's
it's
just
completely
out
of
character
for
that
neighborhood
completely
I,
don't
know.
If
anybody
else
on
the
board
has
seen
that
house
yeah
and
that's.
My
fear
is
that
that
we
turn
the
Greektown
District
into
a
hodgepodge
of
and
I
think
the
applicant
has
seen
that
house
as
well
and
and
how
that
just
just
somehow
just
reeks
of
I,
don't
belong
so.
I
I
We
didn't
have
to
put
things
in
this
historic
if
people
would
just
kind
of,
can
you
try
a
little
bit
because
when
you
turn
down
and
you
go
by
the
other
house,
I
feel
like
this
house
is
going
to
fall
on
top
of
me
because
and
it's
just
not
in
accordance
with
anything,
and
we
don't
want
to
just
keep
seeing
these
things
pop
up,
but
I
mean
we
can't
just
say
we
just
don't
like
it
yeah.
So.
A
F
Of
what's
difficult,
I
think
in
this
particular
area,
too,
is
because
you
did
say
it
is
in
a
flood
plain
and,
and
you
know,
the
testimony
here
was
that
most
of
the
houses
are
one
story
and
certainly
under
current
FEMA
guidelines.
That's
something
that
has
to
be
reconciled
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
fact
that
you
know
the
houses
are
really
supposed
to
be
elevated.
If
they're
going
to
be
redeveloped.
G
G
They
have
to
build
one
feet
of
one
foot
above
so
they
have
to
build
it
nine
feet
any
finished
living
space,
So
based
off
the
elevations
of
the
property,
it
kind
of
slopes
up
as
you
go
towards
the
back
of
the
property,
but
they
have
to
elevate
anywhere
between
probably
four
and
a
half
to
five
feet
in
some
cases
to
get
above
and
built
at
that
that
proper
nine
foot
elevation.
A
Okay,
well,
we
kind
of
kind
of
went
off
on
our
own
I
guess
the
the
public
comment
section
of
the
meeting
is
over.
We
need
a
motion
and
a
second
so
that
the
board
can
continue
to
discuss
if
they
want
to
I.
M
Would
make
that
most
of
Mr
chairman
to
approve
conditional
use
application,
23-74
and
resolution
23
27.
I
I.
G
Can
I
just
get
clarity
on
single
family?
Just
you
can't
necessarily
say
it
can't
be
rented,
but
you're,
saying
not.
Two
separate
units
is
what
you're
looking
for
okay
correct!
Thank
you
excuse
me
verify
that
I
think
what
he's
saying
is
the
ground
floor
living
area
and
the
upper
story
unit
can't
necessarily
be
rented
as
two
separate
spaces,
but
it's
utilized
really
as
a
single
family,
residence
I.
G
K
A
K
That's
fine
with
me:
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
I
just
also,
if
I
could
take
just
a
second,
you
know.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
like
Ali
was
saying:
there's
of
these
wdi
properties
that
are
there.
Most
of
them
have
single,
failing
dwellings
on
them,
and
you
know
the
top
Topography
of
that
land
over
there
starts
everything
from
Athens
and
and
Cedar
going
up.
East
and
North
is
all
higher
elevation.
K
So,
yes,
they
can
put
a
little
Bungalow
up
on
Athens
and
and
do
that
we
can
we're
restricted
of
what
we
can
do
in
looks
by
the
elevation
and
just
like
the
house
that
I
built
I,
don't
think
anybody
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
talked
about
the
size.
There's
two
houses
behind
us
on
Acacia
that
are
over
5
000
square
foot.
Each
going
in
those
aren't
little
small
Bungalows.
You
know,
and
you
know
I'm
not
trying
to
say
you
know,
stop
the
growth
and
put
bungalows
in
there.
K
We
just
can't
in
that
section
going
from
the
corner
of
Cedar,
where
the
lot
is,
where
a
lot
is
toward
Alternate
19,
it
all
continues
to
get
lower
in
elevation.
You
cannot
have
a
a
house,
people
walk.
You
know
five
six
stairs
to
get
to
their
house
because
that's
what
it
would
take
unless
they
put
in
a
lot
of
fill.
So
you
know
I,
don't
think
you
know
some.
Some
people
might
not
like
the
style
of
our
house.
We
get
a
lot
of
people
driving
by
taking
pictures
of
our
house
stopping
and
taking
pictures
out.
K
K
So
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
do
that
and
on
top
of
that
I
don't
think
any
anybody
in
Greektown
is
upset
that
the
property
values
went
up
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
last
four
or
five
years,
and
we
were
the
start
of
building
a
house
there
and
since
then,
there's
been
Eight
houses
built
in
Greektown,
maybe
not
all
to
the
design
of
the
Bungalow,
but
it
and
yes,
the
economy's
gotten
better,
but
it
has
helped
property
values.
I,
don't
think
anybody
can
complain
about
that.
A
And
staff
staff
can
yeah
comply
with
the
staff
recommendations
and
and
staff
can
do
the
language
to
make
sure
that
what
what
we
said
is
is
the
way
it
would
work
as
far
as
rental.
Yes,
yeah
did
we
get
a
second
on
that
I'll.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
further
discussion
or.
I
No
I
just
think
concern
was
I.
Think
most
of
our
concern
I
mean
my
house
is
also
mixed.
Use
I
could
Mix
commercial,
no
one
I,
don't
think
up
here
is
concerned
about
it
being
commercial
property
I
think
there
was
a
little
mix
up
with.
Oh
my
God.
If
this
doesn't
approved
it's
going
to
be
commercial
property,
the
concern
is
it
being
rented
out.
You
know
thanks
for
increasing
all
our
property
values,
but
that's
only
my
concern.
I
think
that
was
that
was
it
and.
C
E
Yes
and
I
when
I
say
yes,
I
actually
had
the
same
concerns
when
I
was
going
through
these
materials
and
saw
the
design
of
the
house
and
I
was
hoping.
You
know
that
it
could
be
more
culturally,
oh
influenced.
But
having
said
that,
my
vote
is
yes.
I
M
B
A
Right
that
brings
us
to
application
21
170
again
quasi-judicial
for
property
located
at
38
652
U.S,
Highway,
19
North.
This
one
should
look
familiar
to
most
of
you.
We've
heard
it
twice
before
there
was
a
an
error
in
the
legal
description
and
the
project
has
been
built
and
is
operating,
so
this
is
kind
of
cleaning
up
the
the
problem
with
the
legal
description.
So
if
we
can
have
a
fairly
abbreviated
staff
report,
please.
N
This
property
is
located
at
the
North
West
corner
of
US
19
and
Klosterman.
There's
an
existing
car
wash
on
the
property.
That's
operating
the
just
a
summary
of
the
requests
that
we're
talking
about.
This
is
annexation
of
just
about
an
acre
of
property
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
from
residential
office
retail
to
commercial
General
and
are
rezoning
from
commercial
Parkway
to
Highway
business.
N
N
The
owner
is
Mr
Paul,
johalin,
so
just
to
hit
on
the
history
of
this.
The
city
did
adopt
an
annexation
ordinance
on
October
11
2022,
along
with
that
they
adopted
the
board
adopted
a
future
land
use,
map
change
and
a
zoning
out.
Let's
change
the
staff
error
was
discovered
when
this
went
down
to
property
appraiser,
and
that
would
be
me
that
was
my
error
where
the
wrong
legal
description
was
attached
and
the
property
could
not
be
annexed.
N
The
annexation
could
not
be
completed
and
recorded.
So
we
are
coming
back
to
you
with
new
ordinances.
This
board
heard
and
approved
this
all
three
of
these
ordinances
listed
up
here
on
January,
24,
2022
and
I
believe,
hopefully
with
with
Regina's
assistance.
I
believe
what
we're
going
to
do
this
evening
is
ask
that
you
go
ahead
and
approve
these
three
new
ordinances,
which
include
repeal
of
the
old
ordinances
and
incorporate
the
minutes
from
the
January
24
2022
meeting
into
your
approval
and
do
do
we
need
to
take
those
each
one.
F
D
F
And
findings
and
then
open
the
public
hearing.
If
anybody
wants
to
speak
on
it,
nobody
doesn't
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
pass
it
on
its
merits.
N
A
Yeah,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
here
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item?
Seeing
none
can
I
have
a
motion
in
seconds,
so
we
can
discuss
I
go.
D
Ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
approve,
2023-12
and
incorporate
and
incorporate
incorporating
that
not
just
the
minutes,
the
findings
and
the
board
action.
Thank
you
on
on
that
particular.
M
F
The
next
one
ordinance
2023-10
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
0.92,
Acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
38652
U.S
Highway
19
North
on
the
northwest
corner
of
U.S
Highway
19
North
and
Klosterman
Road
from
Pinellas
County
land
use,
designation
for
RoR
residential
office
retail
to
City
of
Tarpon
Springs
land
use,
designation,
CG,
commercial
General
application,
number
21-170,
repealing
ordinance,
2022-04,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
A
M
A
D
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
to
approve
2023-11,
also
to
to
incorporate
all
prior
findings
votes
presentations
into
the
all
the
other.
Let
me
from
our
hearing,
January
24th
2024
2022.
yeah,.
A
A
N
N
and,
if
you're
looking
at
your
packet,
the
one
change
that
you
all
recommended
for
some
reason
it's
not
struck
through
I
need
to
revise
that.
But
at
the
bottom
of
page
one
of
five
section,
122.12
A,
you
all
recommended
a
change
from
a
50
unit
threshold
to
a
10
unit
threshold.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
did
accept
that
basically
I
guess
I
should
backtrack
a
little
bit.
N
This
ordinance
covers
the
hurricane
shelter
study
that
is
required
for
larger
developments
has
been
required
under
current
code
for
50
units
or
more
showing
that
we
have
that
there
is
sufficient
capacity
for
Hurricane
shelter.
That's
in
basically
your
public
facilities
and
concurrencies
section
of
your
code,
and
it
also
requires,
has
a
new
section
and
requires
design
standards
for
it,
building
into
Coastal
High
Hazard
area.
So
what
you
see
in
your
packet
in
red
are
the
changes
the
board
made.
N
Since
you
saw
this
ordinance,
the
main
thing
they
did
was
they
wanted
to
take
the
list
of
design
standards
out
of
the
ordinance,
make
it
a
resolution
which
I've
attached
for
you
that's
proposed
resolution
2023-26
and
then
refer
to
that
that
adopted
list
in
the
code.
So
the
idea
generally
is
that
they
would
be
able
to
revise
that
list
by
resolution.
It
would
be
a
little
bit
easier
for
them
to
come
in.
That
would
go
through
you
as
well
to
revise
that
list
of
design
standards
update
them.
N
F
I
actually
do
on
the
list.
That's
in
the
resolution.
F
N
F
N
F
So
this
list
of
of
14
design
standards
that
kind
of
deal
with
hurricane
related
impacts
yeah
that.
F
N
It's
based
on
and
you'll
see
on
page
one,
the
one
of
the,
whereas
is
struck
the
board,
wanted
that
struck
referring
to
City
of
Saint
Petersburg.
We
used
their
ordinance
as
somewhat
of
a
model.
They
were
modeled
off
off
of
discussions
and
standards
of
that
for
Pinellas
had
so.
Their
ordinance
was
kind
of
worked
through
a
process
in
coordination
with
forward
Pinellas,
and
then
it
was
finally
adopted
and
weaked
on
it
kind
of
took
a
cue
from
that
that
this.
This
was
an
approach
analyst
that
forward
Pinellas
would
approve
of
once
we
adopted.
F
My
other
question,
I,
guess,
kind
of
and
and
I'm
not
sure
do
you
remember
which
meeting
they
had
the
discussion
on
this.
N
Shelter
impact
study
we
we
are
going
to
require
this
study
for
developments
of
10
units,
10
residential
units
or
more.
We
have
on
Section
B
the
shelter
space
demands.
We've
basically
changed
that
to
cover
governmental
sources.
We
had
a.
We
had
a
previous
change,
you'll
see
at
the
top
of
page
two
of
five
some
language
struck.
N
N
N
N
It
talks
about
mandatory
hurricane
evacuation
for
hotel,
and
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
stronger
than
what
we
have
now
we
have.
If
you
want
to
build
a
hotel-
and
you
want
that
extra
density,
you
have
to
do
a
development
agreement,
but
this
this
adds
a
little
bit
more
teeth
that
it's
a
mandatory
evacuation
requirement.
N
The
design
standards-
probably
the
biggest
thing,
is
that
on
section
14901b,
we
had
thresholds
in
there
for
100
200
and
over
200
the
board
knocked
that
down
to
50
units
100
units
and
then
200
or
more
I
think
we
had
so
they
lowered
those
thresholds,
and
we
now
would
require
building
to
plus
three
above
base
flood
elevation
for
multi-family
and
attached
single
family,
which
is
basically
town
homes,
so
for
multi-family
and
Townhomes
you're,
going
to
be
building
to
BFE,
plus
three
and
the
next
higher
wind
load
category,
so
that
that
was
two
of
the
big
changes
there
and
then
they
also
have
to
do
these
mitigated
mitigation
requirements.
N
If
you
have
50
units
you
have
to
provide,
let's,
let's
see,
I
think
you
have
to
provide
one
of
the
measures
if
you're
greater
than
50.
You
have
to
provide
two
other
measures
in
over
a
hundred.
You
had
to
provide
one
additional
item
for
every
30
units
and
keep
that
straight,
so
those
standards
are
adopted
in
the
resolution.
That's
attached.
N
N
If
they
are
not,
you
know
if
the
mobile
homes
were
below
flood,
they
would
have
to
build
back
above
flood,
but
they
would
not
be
subject
to
the
plus
three
okay
base.
Flood
elevation
requirement.
F
F
50
units
they
have
to
provide
one
of
the
mitigated
mitigated
measures
listed
in
the
ordinance
in
the
resolution
and
over
50.
They
have
to
provide
two
and
then
it's
up
to
the
developer,
to
determine
which
of
those
mitigative
measures
they
Implement
in
their
development.
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding
as
I
read
this
the.
N
The
measures
would
be
proposed
and
reviewed
by
the
TRC
okay,
and
we
would
take
a
recommendation
forward.
These
remember
these
are
all
I
mean
these
are
going
to
be
site
plans,
so
you're
going
to
see
these
for
multi-family
and
townhome,
so,
ultimately,
the
the
board
would
approve
whatever
measures
are
proposed.
F
Then
you
also
said
that
the
developer
can
propose
their
own
mitigative
measures
that
are
not
provided
for
in
that
resolution.
Right,
yes,
okay,
what?
How?
What
standards
or
what
criteria
are
you
using
to
evaluate
their
proposals
that
are
outside
of
what's
listed
in
that
resolution?.
H
D
You
asking
what
Benchmark
are
they
providing
right.
N
Yeah,
so
there
is
some
language
here
that
says
that
the
applicant
will
need
to
demonstrate
that
the
site-specific
analysis
and
holistic
resilient
design
methods
meet
or
exceed
the
requirements
of
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area
design
standards
through
such
methods
as
follows,
so
they
basically
have
to
provide
an
analysis
that
shows
that
the
intent
of
a
resilient
and
adapted
design
is
met.
Okay,.
F
F
D
D
Will
have
this
many
number
of
units,
but
right
but
I
I
leave
it
leaving
it
to
the
guys
of
the
developer.
It's
less!
It's
less.
You
know,
they're
always
going
to
try
to
save
money
in
their
development.
F
Yeah
legally
you're
going
to
have
a
hard
time
a
harder
time
enforcing
it
than
you
would
if
you
left
it
in
your
Land
Development
code.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
kind
of
getting
here
is
trying
to
see
how
stringent.
F
N
Yeah
well
I'm
sorry
I
will
say
this:
the
Board
of
Commissioners
deliberated
over
this
for
some
time
in
December
they
finally
were
able
to
agree
on
lowering
the
thresholds.
N
My
observation,
this
is
my
observation
personally
is
they
did
not
completely
reach
consensus
on
how
to
deal
with
the
list
of
design
criteria,
some
of
them
didn't
like
them.
Some
did.
N
N
You
know
with
each
individual
project
with
what
is
proposed,
so
so
this
is
the
direction
we
went
to
try
to
to
try
to
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
up
and
get
something
I.
F
Do
have
another
question
along
those
lines
because
you
had
mentioned
that
there
really
isn't
necessarily
the
land
available.
Well,.
F
M
N
I
would
say
this
would
apply
just
like
any
other
section
of
the
Land
Development
code.
Okay,
you
know.
Obviously
each
project
would
would,
if
you're
talking
about
if
it's
destroyed
in
a
storm,
either.
N
F
Do
you
have
an
in
your
code
of
ordinances
where
it
says
that
Property
Owners
can
rebuild
exactly
what
they
had
before?
We.
F
F
So
usually
the
preference
is
to
go
with
something
like
this.
That
would
require
them,
then,
when
they
rebuild
to
rebuild
to
the
higher
standards
you
know,
but
my
concern
is
that
that
the
mitigative
measures
that
you're
trying
to
put
in
place
aren't
going
to
have
the
the
same
type
of
legal
and
flexibility
in
the
resolution
and
the
way
you
structured
it
now
as
if
it
was
in
the
ordinance,
but.
D
C
D
And
so
we've
got
to
we've
got
to
establish
the
bar.
They
want
to
build
above
the
bar.
That's
fine,
but
but
I
think
there's
got
to
be
criteria
in
place
that
that
that
they
would
have
to
follow.
Instead
of
suggest.
A
N
M
N
You
mean
our
current
code
right
yeah,
we
really
I
mean
you
know.
Probably
the
main
thing
you
guys
see
or
would
see
with
respect
to
Coastal
higher
Hazard
is
changes
in
future
land
use
and
density,
not
being
able
to
raise
the
density
you
know
and
and
the
effect
on
hotels
that
want
to
come
in
for
extra
density,
new
and
development
agreement
that
is
kicked
in
by
if
the,
if
the,
if
they're
in
the
coastal
Hazard
areas,
so
that
that's
about
it
just.
N
That
that
act
overrides
for
lack
of
a
better
term
or
the
height
and
the
they
get
the
highest
density
in
the
city
which,
in
our
city
is
only
15
units
per
acre,
I
say
only
but
in
the
bigger
world.
That's
not
that
much
so,
but
after
that
they
have
to
comply
with.
Your
codes
is
kind
of
the
short
answer.
N
I
What
and
Pat
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
related
to
this
or
not,
but
during
in
the
workshop
I
remember
when
we
were
going
through
and
I
think
it
was.
We
got
to
that
cult.
The
the
high
has
the
coastal
High
Hazard,
one
and
Renee
was
like
we
don't
have
to
put
this
in
at
all.
Is
this
related
to
this
at
all?
Or
do
you
remember
what
I'm
talking
about
with
that
whole
section?
Yeah.
I
N
Yeah
and
Ally,
it
can
help
me
remember
as
a
way
to
allow
higher
density
outside
the
special
area
plan
under
certain
circumstances
and
with
certain
mitigative
measures.
N
So
yeah,
going
back
to
the
comprehensive
plan
that
was
adopted
after
Renee
left
the
city
that
was
adopted
to
be
consistent
with
some
standards
Ford
Pinellas
had,
but
it
was
excretely
expanded
to
cover
the
whole
city,
and
what
Renee
was
saying
is
we
can
go
back
to
what
it
used
to
be
as
far
as
raising
density
back
to
the
activity
center,
where
it
was
really
really
started
this?
M
N
A
F
A
Okay
and
we're
gonna
open
the
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item
come
forward.
Seeing
none
we'll
close.
The
public
portion
of
this
meeting
and
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
the
board
can
discuss.
D
F
Sure,
okay,
ordinance
number
2023-08
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
amending
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinance
as
appendix
a
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code;
Article
15
fees
and
charges,
sections,
246
fees
and
247
charges
to
update
existing
fees
and
establish
new
fees
for
professional
review.
Services
drainage
and
storm
water
review
utility
service
review
and
temporary
use
fees
for
mobile
food
vendors,
promoting
for
severability,
providing
for
inclusion
in
the
code
of
ordinances
at
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida
and
providing
for
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
N
N
N
The
table
in
new
section
246.02
includes
mainly
storm
water
and
utility
fee
reviews,
sorry
review
fees
and
then
all
the
other
services
would
be
at
cost.
So
there
are
infrequent
Services.
We
incur
like
a
survey
or
a
review
of
a
plat
or
a
traffic
study
traffic
engineer
review
of
a
traffic
study.
Those
would
be
at
costs.
The
rest
of
these
are
pretty
frequent,
regular
review
fees
by
outside
consultants,
and
these
these
these
would
be
the
fees
established
for
that
and
then
just
a
clarification
on
Section
247
that
those
are
charges
to
Printing
and
copying.
N
D
You
know
we
know
me:
I've
always
got
a
question.
I
got
a
my
question
with
is
with
regard
to
tree
removal.
D
And
maybe
this
maybe
this
is
not
the
right
place
or
whatever,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
kind
of
frost
bees
when
I
see
a
developer,
come
in
clear-cut
everything
and
just
put
in
you
know
small
caliber,
trees
and
Replacements.
They
remove
all
the
bigger
bigger
trees
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
a
fee
for
that
with
regard
to
size
and
stuff
like
that.
D
So
if
it's
it's
more
onerous
to
remove
a
big
oak
tree
financially
and
maybe
they
would
want
to
keep
it
and
and
and
and
and
so
I
don't
know
if
that
that
that's
in
here
or
not.
Maybe
this
is
the
wrong
place
to
bring
that
up,
because.
C
D
Developers
come
in,
you
know
cheaper
for
them
to
clear,
cut
all
the
trees
and
plant
little
ones
you
know
and
and
make
a
donation
to
a
tree
Bank
than
to
try
to
re-design
around
you
know
beautiful
oak
trees
or
whatever,
and
and
and
that
actually
adds
I
think
character
to
to
a
neighborhood,
and
so
you
know
as
I.
Don't
know.
If
that
would
you
know,
I
just
want
to
make
it
more
owners
for
them
if
they
decide
to
do
that
and
I,
don't
know
if
that.
N
Is
that
those
standards
are
in
your
tree?
Ordinance,
okay
and
yeah
you're
right,
so
we
do
have
an
inch
for
inch
replacement
requirement
or
they
have
to
pay
into
the
tree
fund.
N
I
will
tell
you
that
we
do
have
an
urban
urban
forestry
Management
program
underway,
our
Municipal
Arbors,
just
leading
that
effort
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
of
what
you're
talking
about
on
keeping
some
of
these
larger
trees,
and
even
you
know
installing
some
larger
trees
using
newer
methods
than
there
were
when
that
ordinance
was
originally
passed.
So
we
will
be
looking
at
that
section
of
code,
but
those
those
would
not
be
in
this
section
for
fees.
A
Well
then,
if
yeah
we'd
like
to
be
involved
when
yeah
when
it
gets
to
that
point
because
I
know
the
ordinance
does
address
it,
but
it's
it's.
It's
way
too
easy
to
pay
the
tree
fund
and
and
take
the
big
trees
out
and
instead
of
working
with
the
site,
to
make
a
more
interesting
project.
N
These
and
yeah
just
just
to
touch
on
now.
We
did
work
with
our
our
storm
water
consultant
with
our
utility
staff
on
these
fees,
so
this
is
kind
of
what
they
came
up
with
looking
at
other
ordinances,
it's
obviously
not
their
actual
hourly
rate
for
each
project,
but
that's
how
we
came
up
with.
A
C
A
Okay,
I
I
guess
we'll
open
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
meeting.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
approach
the
microphone
and
take
a
saw
hand
over
there.
D
I
It
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
two
2023.08.
I
M
F
I
can
read
that
okay
title
only
ordinance
number
2023-09,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
amending
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Koto
ordinances,
appendix
a
comprehensive
zoning
and
Land
Development
code
sections,
82
final
development
plan,
review,
210-
or
210.05
site
plans,
expirations
and
extensions
and
section
241.00
definitions
providing
for
severability
for
providing
for
inclusion
in
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
providing
for
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
N
N
Basically,
the
thrust
of
of
this
whole
section
is
to
require
applicants
to
come
back
once
they
have
their
site
plan
approval
or
whatever
approval
they
get
from
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
that
they
go
ahead,
apply
for
the
building
permit
and
get
their
building
permit
for
whatever
they're
doing
right
now,
the
code
requires
application
for
a
permit
within
one
year
of
these
approvals.
N
Somebody
applies,
they
don't
respond
or
it
doesn't
get
issued
and
time
drags
out
and
it's
kind
of
open-ended.
This
would
require
the
applicant
to
go
ahead
and
obtain
a
permit
within
one
year
of
the
just
to
hit
a
couple
of
these
preliminary
plan
developments.
You
all
see
those
and
then
the
Board
of
Commissioners
sees
those.
This
would
require
the
applicant
to
get
approval
of
the
final
plan.
Development
within.
N
If
you
look
I
think
these
are
not
Pages
or
not
numbered.
For
some
reason,
if
you
look
on
the
third
page
at
section
210
sorry
section.
N
E
N
E,
basically,
you
have
to
poll
that
building
permit
and
it
has
to
remain
in
active
status
so
for
site
plans.
It's
very
similar.
You
have
to
pull
the
building
permit
and
it's
got
to
remain
active
and
under
review.
N
Now
we
still
have
the
provision
for
extensions.
They
can
request
an
extension
of
another
year.
We
have
updated
that
to
say
they
can
request
an
extension
if
they've
applied
for
a
permit.
So
then
they
need
to
go
ahead
and
pull
that
permit
within
that
second
year,
so
they
can
have
up
to
two
years,
sometimes
building
permits.
There
are
issues
outside
issues
that
that
affect
these
things,
and
sometimes
there
are
delays,
so
they
still
have
that
option
of
extending.
D
I
guess
you
you
answer
my
question
because
my
concern
was
sometimes
dealing
dealing
with
a
bureaucracy.
It's
a
slow
roll
and-
and
it
may
be
not
the
fault
of
the
the
applicant
trying
to
get
his
permit
and
it's
it's
the
slow
roll
of
the
bureau,
the
bureaucracy
involved
and
I'd
hate
to
see
it
to
penalize
somebody
when.
D
N
I
will
tell
you:
staff
did
go
back
and
forth
a
little
bit
on
this.
We
originally
had
two
years
with
with
an
extension
with
the
extension
going
to
three,
because
it
does
you
know
we,
we
don't
want
the
building
department
to
be
unduly
I,
don't
know
not
burdened,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
want
a
feeling
of
rushing
a
building
permit
through
we
want.
We
do
want
to
allow
the
time
and
the
scope
of
review
to
be
what
what
it's
supposed
to
be.
N
D
I
guess
my
comment
is
I
would
hate
to
see
it
two
years,
because
that
allows
the
the
applicant
to
drag
their
feet
as
opposed
to
making
them
be
more
inclined
to
get
their
stuff
done
on
a
timely
basis
and
the
fact
that
that
obviously,
the
city
staff,
if
you
see
that
that
the
that
the
small
world
is
a
result
of
the
you
know
the
cities,
the
only
Department
may
be
overwhelmed
and
not
be
able
to
get
the
plans
for
a
while
and
between
changes
and
everything.
A
So
we're
back
to
public
comments,
seeing
none
can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
cause.
N
A
C
E
I
will
tell
you
tell
you
all
when
I
moved
here
much
to
my
sugar
and
I
had
to
move
I
had
to
remove
a
large
oak
tree
and
it
killed
me
to
do
it,
but
I
will
say
they
sent
out
an
arborist
and
I
had
to
plant
two
trees
in
order
to
make
up
for
the
loss
of
that
tree
in
trees
of
size,
which,
fortunately
I
did
they
were.
Although
to
me
it
didn't
seem
right:
I
planted
Palms
good
sized
homes,
but
they
weren't
oak
trees.