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A
I
think
the
plan
was
to
pick
up
on
the
future
land
use
element
review.
We
haven't
introduced
any
new
information
or
new
materials.
It
was
the
exception
of
we
do
have.
We
can
pass
these
down
updated.
B
A
The
that
place
based
area
map,
we
just
updated
that
with
roads
on
it,
so
you
can
identify
where
some
of
those
boundaries
are,
and
things
may
be
so
I
believe
we
left
off
if
you're
looking
at
the
old
or
if
you're,
looking
at
the
strike
through
underline
set
of
from
June
for
June
14th,
we
were
on
the
policy
5.5.2,
the
old
policy
5.5.2.
A
How
many
people
recall
we
were
just
working
our
way
through
questions.
A
lot
of
this
stuff
on
the
mixed
use
is
a
lot
of
us
propose
to
be
removed
because
it
was
a
lot
of
design
criteria.
That's
better
addressed
in
Our
Land
Development
codes,
so
I'll
stop
there
and
y'all
can
pick
up
as.
D
That
becomes
5.
I
mean
two
5.1
right.
E
Yeah,
what
a
stunningly
consistent
segue
just
to
use
centers
I,
did
for
the
record.
I
did
call
staff
today
and
I
just
needed
some
clarification
that
I
didn't
think
needed
to
be
brought
up
at
the
meetings.
It
would
get
us
off
on
the
side,
but
it
had
to
do
with
mixing
centers
Miss
Vincent.
Would
this
be
an
appropriate
section
for
me
to
bring
up
my
concerns
about
that
triggers
for
mixed
use
centers
to
meet
stormwater,
so
would
that
be
addressed
in
a
at
a
better
location.
A
D
E
G
I'll
Stand
Up.
We
were
discussing
kind
of
what
for
properties
that
are
non-conforming
now
in
terms
of
maybe
Landscaping
stormwater
requirements
XYZ
of
codes.
What
then
makes
them
come
into
compliance
when
something
new
goes
into
place,
for
example,
at
the
manatee
Village
shopping
center?
That's
something
that
just
had
some
facade
improvements,
but
it
didn't
trigger
any
sort
of
sight,
improvements
to
come
up
to
compliance
with
current
code,
so
I
think
Mr
Bessie
was
looking
at.
G
Is
there
a
way
to
put
something
in
there
to
talk
about
triggers
for
Redevelopment
of
properties
of
when
they
need
to
come
into
compliance?
And
since
we
talked
I
was
kind
of
thinking,
I
didn't
know
for
comp
plan
purposes?
If
maybe
the
best
method
is
to
put
a
policy
that
talks
about
evaluate
options
for
redevelopment
of
properties
to
come
in
or
non-conforming
properties
come
into
compliance,
and
then
the
actual
code
can
then
go
into
our
Land
Development
code,
but
at
least
gives
the
policy
base
for
us
to
make
that
correction
in
the
future.
E
G
A
C
A
D
One
of
the
things
that-
and
this
goes
back
to
sustainability
and
I
know
this
is
the
wrong
time
to
mention
it
mention
it,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
don't
do
well
and
we
haven't
done
well.
The
State
of
Florida
hasn't
done
well,
is
designating
except
little
baby
Islands
in
a
parking
lot
that
I'd
rather
lose
parking
spaces
and
have
more
green
space
in
some
of
these
big
box
or
large
parking
lot
locations
that
make
that
a
requirement
as
part
of
any
you
know,
permitting.
C
A
In
front
of
me,
but
we
have
a
exhibit,
that
is
an
urban
heat
Islands
map
for
the
city.
So
to
your
point
you
know
I
would
much
rather
I
would
like
to
build.
You
know
policy
and
regulations
around
reducing
those
Urban
heat
islands
and
they're.
You
can
pick
them
out
easily.
So
if
there's
a
project
that's
being
developed
and
it's
in
an
urban
heat
island,
then
the
emphasis
will
be
on
tree
plantings,
not
parking,
and
you
would
be
in
you
know
you
would
be
able
to
reduce
parking
or
or
dictate
that
it
has
to
happen.
A
D
D
There
has
got
to
be
some
incentives.
The
city
can
Implement
to
go
to
Walmart
or
Pub
people
in
the
public
shopping
plaza.
So
look
if
you
do
this.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
for
you,
because
those
are
existing
issues.
There
exist
their
existing
heat,
like
you,
said,
heat
buildings
and
we
don't
have
anything
in
place
or
or
is
that
something
that's
being.
A
So
you
so
you
again,
you
may
you
may
want
to
put
a
policy
in
that
that
is
kind
of
directional
in
that
you
know,
explore
incentives
to
you
know,
or
you
know,
evaluate
incentives
to
you
know
increasing
tree
planting.
You
know
tree
plantings
through
City
participation
with
private
development,
some
private
partner
or
something
like
that.
A
Grant
yeah,
you
know
I
mean
we,
you
know
we
do
have
the
tree
bank
and
we
have
money
in
those
that
we've
collected.
You
know.
Is
there
a
way
to
you
know
parlay
that
into
some
sort
of
a
you
know,
a
tree
planting
program
on
private
properties.
You
know
for
places
like
that
again
having
having
it
being
maybe
tied.
Specifically,
you
know
to
larger
policies
of
reducing
Urban
heat
islands,
and
things
like
that.
C
D
B
C
E
So
so,
if
I
may
I
think
the
concept
of
heat
island
so
rather
than
being
selective
about
particular
developments
or
just
labeling
one,
just
the
concept
of
heat
Islands,
because
that
creates
a
a
side,
objective
piece
of
data
that
says
hey.
If
you
fit
into
the
heat
island
criteria,
then,
therefore,
these
are
the
triggers.
It
moves
you
to
the
side
of
what
we
may
address
that
keeps
you
from
allowing
a
property
that
obviously
is
not
containing
their
own
storm
water
to
contain
our
storm
water,
which
is
a
life
safety
issue
and
reducing
our
overall
Heat.
E
D
A
Of
an
even
trade
yeah,
oddly
enough,
you
know
you
almost
have
to
force
them
to
reduce
parking
rather
than
incentivizing
them
to
reduce
parking.
So
I
mean
it's
you
know
for
for
developers,
especially
on
the
retail
side.
They
want
as
much
parking
as
they
can
get.
So
it
is
something
I
think
would
almost
have
to
be
mandated
that
if
you're
in
like
an
urban
heat,
Island
area,
then
maybe
you
know
this
is
your
require.
Your
required
parking
must
be
reduced
by
x,
amount
of
percentage
and
replaced
with.
H
A
C
So
we're
at
5.2.3
on
the
markup
version
of
the
future,
land
use,
element,
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
it
looks
like
5.2.3
change
to
5
or
2.5.2,
but
in
terms
of
the
verbiage,
it's
basically
the
same.
F
A
Of
the
rest
of
the
stuff
in
this
section
is,
is
proposed
to
be
deleted
because
it's
a
lot
of
very
specific
design
criteria,
for
you
know,
building
facades
and
it's
very
you
know,
design
oriented
and
it
was
put
in
place
prior
to
the
smart
code
being
adopted,
which
has
a
lot
of
basically
the
same
things
in
it.
It
was
kind
of
a
precursor
to
that.
So
that's
why
you
know
we
feel
like
it's
misplaced
at
this
point.
D
Okay
is
there?
Is
there
any
significant
deletions,
I,
don't
I
I
know
we
probably
want
to
go
through
each
one,
but
is
there
any
significant
deletions
that
we.
B
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
your
density
ones:
I'm
curious.
Are
you
just
those?
Are
you
moving
to
a
different
section
or
how
are
you
addressing
some
of
those,
because
there's
there's
a
little
graph
and
in
the
next
section
down.
D
A
I
A
F
E
A
The
multi-buttal
transportation
district
is
I,
don't
know
if
we've
got
a
handy
map
for
it
or
not.
That
was
adopted
back
in
2000,
eight
nine
time
frame.
That's
and
we'll
see.
If
we
can
find
the
map
for
you
and
it
was
originally
it
was
adopted
in
order
to
get
us
to
there.
A
It
is
yeah
the
multimodal
transportation
district,
so
it
was
that
encompasses
and
actually
expands
Beyond
these
this,
the
smart
code
area
and
the
the
Sponge
Docks,
but
it
incorporates
all
of
that
and
at
that
point
in
time
when
we
were
trying
to
find
a
way
to
encourage
mixed
use
and
Redevelopment
at
a
scale
that
would
you
know,
did
two
things
would
just
complement
the
area
but
would
also
provide
a
little
bit
of
incentive
for
redevelopment
the
we
still
had
strict
Transportation
concurrency
in
place,
and
so
Alt
19
was
a
failing
level
of
service.
A
So,
basically
you
were
real
ham.
You
were
hamstrung
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
anything
from
a
Redevelopment
standpoint,
so
the
city
went
through
in
under
the
state
statute.
At
that
point,
Tom
one
of
the
ways
to
deal
with
Transportation
concurrency
was
to
adopt
a
multimodal
transportation
district
that
looked
not
just
at
vehicle
level
of
service,
but
bike
and
pedestrian
and
Transit
level
of
service
in
a
defined
area.
So
the
better
your
street
grid,
the
better
your
sidewalks,
the
better
your
bike
and
pedestrian.
A
So
there
was
a
list
of
projects
that
were
identified
that
needed
to
be
they're
targeted
to
be
completed
like
broken
sidewalk
segments
or
where
the
work
sidewalk
segments
and
things.
So
it
was
meant
to
be
a
way
that
you
so
through
increasing.
You
know
an
incremental
increase
in
density
and
intensity,
which
is
what
the
smart
code
essentially
was
oil
for
a
developer
to
take
advantage
of
that
they
had
to.
They
had
to
do
certain
improvements
and
things.
Now
that
was
working
well
until.
A
Probably
2014
time
frame
and
we
would
basically
there's
a
lot
of
if
you
read
the
whole
multimodal
transportation
district
document
you'll
see
everything
in
there,
but
basically
it
came
up
with
another
impact
fee.
If
you
will
a
multimodal
fee
that
a
developer
could
pay
in
lieu,
it
was
in
addition
to
the
county-wide
transportation
impact
fee,
or
they
could
do
a
project
if
there
was
a
sidewalk
segment
that
was
identified,
and
they
could
do
that.
A
Transportation
current
concurrency
is
is
pretty
much
gone.
We
have
the
county-wide,
you
know
ordinance
that
basically
says
that
you
know
it's
almost
kind
of
a
pay
and
go
type
of
situation,
so
the
the
multimodal
transportation
district
is
still
there.
It's
not
functioning
from
a
from
the
standpoint
of
getting
projects
done
in
terms
of
completing
a
sidewalk
segment
or
still
collecting
those
those
funds.
A
A
F
A
A
You
know,
like
I,
said
2013-14
time
frame,
so
we
want
to
update
it
and
reintroduce
it
and
make
it
work.
So.
E
A
E
E
E
So
you
can't
fizzy
quickly,
walk
from
here
to
here.
It's
a
hopscotch.
It's
bizarre,
there's
broken
pieces,
it's
off
to
the
side,
there's
some
sidewalk,
there's
no
sidewalk,
but
that
doesn't
apply
to
this
I'm,
just
pointing
out
the
obvious
that
it
strikes
me
as
absolutely
bizarre
that
from
our
South
gateway
to
our
North
Gateway,
that
a
human
being
cannot
safely
walk
on
the
sidewalk
within
something
called
our
multimodal
transportation
district.
And
now
we
understand.
E
A
D
E
A
D
D
D
Would
would
we
be
able
to
require
when
they
go
to
Annex?
That's
why
we
talked
about
annexation
as
being
a
big
issue.
How
do
you
require
you
know
the
the
I?
Guess
you
call
the
multimodal
access
points
or
to
be
extended
to
properties
like
that?
Otherwise,
you
know
you're
we're
missing
the
opportunity
to
Force
anybody
who
wants
to
develop
that
to
to
because
now
you're
dumping
80
something
cars
onto
Alt,
19.
A
A
We
we
would
have-
let's
say
it's
non-conforming,
it
doesn't
have
sidewalks
if
the
county
lets
them
do
that
for
some
reason
and
they
want
to
Annex
the
property
in
I
mean
if
it's
something
that
we
felt
extremely
you
know
strong
strongly
about.
You
know:
I
I'll
deferred
I'll
defer
to
the
City
attorney,
but
maybe
there
could
be
some
sort
of
a
specific
annexation
agreement
that
says
that
X,
Y
and
Z
has
to
be
done
or
I
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
that's,
that's
really
getting
into
the
weeds.
Actually.
B
I
D
E
E
Development
they
do.
They
attempted
that
those
tax
credit
projects
are
wickedly
difficult.
He
was
too
late
in
the
game
for
that,
but
he
was
trying
to
do
a
seven
story.
Tower
I
happened
to
be
live
in
Grassy,
Point
HOA.
We
were
part
of
the
mailer
if
they
wanted
to
put
a
tower
up.
That
was
within
sight.
A
I
I
And
I
might
have
missed
this
I'm
sorry,
the
center
versus
area.
What's
the
significance
of
that
change,
all
the
centers
are
changed
to
area
used.
I
I
I
mean:
do
we
have
a?
Is
there
like
a
qualifying
number?
Is
there
a?
What
is
it?
How
is
that
signify
area.
G
I
G
We
have
a
definition
for
mixed
use,
so
I
would
say
anything.
That's
mixed
use
and
positive
mixed
use
definition,
I.
A
I
mean
I,
hear
I
get
it
was
coming
originally
I
think
the
center
designation
was
coming
out
again.
We
a
lot
of
this
a
huge
amount
of
this.
If
not
all,
of
this
section
was,
was
taken
verbatim
out
of
the
county-wide
plan
rules,
and
so
they
were
very
focused
on
Town
centers,
mixed
use,
centers.
So
a
lot
of
that
language
came
out
of
the
county-wide
plan.
Well,.
I
H
H
I
F
I
Then
the
smart
code
I
had
a
question
about
that.
Okay,
because
I
recently
was
informed
that
the
smart
code
or
anything
that's
more
restrictive,
cannot
be
changed
until
2024.
I
A
I
A
A
So
what
we're
saying
is
when
you're,
when
you're
adopting
that
you
need
to
take
into
consideration
the
multimodal
transportation
district
requirements
as
part
of
that
special
area
plan-
and
you
know
like
if,
if
you
look
at
the
the
special
area
plan
for
the
Sponge
Docks
and
this
and
the
in
the
CRA,
so
there's
a
lot
of,
in
addition
to
kind
of
just
the
the
character,
districts
and
establishing
densities
and
intensities
and
preferred
uses
and
stuff
like
that,
there's
also
a
whole
section
of
that
document.
That
is,
you
know,
place-based
objectives
and
things.
A
You
know
more
like
physical
improvements
and
things
that
we
would
like
to
see
or
special.
So
it's
it's
really
trying
to
get
to
that
with
these
changes.
So
it's
it's!
You
know.
You
know
that
it's
going
to
be
more
in
the
those
specific
mixed
use
area
land
use
designations
which
we'll
get
to
in
a
little
bit.
G
I
I
D
I
Comes
our
way,
I
want
Transportation,
but
I.
Don't
want
stricter
codes
and
enforcements
on
our
businesses
or
residents.
A
Talking
about
garments
so
forth,
if
it's
a
retail
development,
four
per
thousand
parking
spaces,
that's
the
number
of
parking
you
need
a
lot
of,
especially
in
Big,
Box,
retail
and
stuff
like
and
office
development.
Things
like
that.
The
developer
wants
five
or
six
per
thousand
so,
and
it's
to
that
point
that
you're
getting
that's
you're,
you're,
sacrificing
potential
for
trees
and
other
things
and
amenities
for
parking,
because
we
don't
have.
We
don't
have
a
way
to
tell
a
developer.
A
D
E
If
I
may
be
so
bold,
it's
not
so
much
just
to
get
more
green
is
that
it's
a
fabulous
place.
It's
done
in
a
different
way,
I'm
going
to
get
a
little
bit
wonky
here
if
done,
is
as
opposed
to
a
mound
and
in
a
reverse,
it
becomes
its
own
self-fulfilling
stormwater
retention,
as
we
need
more
and
more
of
it.
A
That's
a
frightening
picture
all
right,
so
we
got
a
lot
of
strike
through
strike
through
strike
through
I'm
looking
for
where
we
actually
have
changes
versus
strike
through
and
actually
most
of
the
rest
of
that
section
of
that
objective
is
stricken
through.
Do
we
get
the
5.4
where
we
start
talking
about
Workforce
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
things
of
that
nature.
B
While
you're,
while
you're
looking
at
that,
I'll
just
share
that
what
I
do
see
is
that
when
your
there
was
a
case
involving
connecting
to
a
sewer
and
water
system
and
an
impact
fee
for
essentially
an
impact
fee,
and
they
said
basically
that,
because
it
wasn't
based
on
the
actual
impact,
it
was
just
based
on
them
being
added
to
to
the
city's
water
lines
that
that
was
not
sufficient
to
support
any
sort
of
impact
fee.
So
I
would
have
to
kind
of
just
just
on
first
blush.
B
So
but
it's
something
that
I
can
look
at
to
see
if
we
can
legally
do
that.
E
Additional
types
I'm
going
to
read
the
last
sentence:
zoning
districts
to
allow
for
additional
housing
types
to
take
advantage
of
existing
density
and
I'm,
only
going
to
mentally
interpret
that
would
that
be
tied
to
accessory
dwellings
and
a
relaxation
of
where
accessory
dwellings
can
be,
and
perhaps
even
the
encouragement
of
accessory
dwellings
AKA.
This
is
my
new
term
granny
Flats
I,
just
love
how
that
goes
together.
Granny
flats
or
accessory
dwellings,
garages
with
Flats
above
that
in
some
areas
might
be
discouraged,
but
as
we
need
to
increase
density
at
certain
points,
they
should
be
encouraged.
A
This
policy
ties
in
pretty
nicely
with.
If
you
go,
remember
our
place
based
area
map
and
we
identify
like
our
suburb,
the
Suburban
neighborhoods,
and
we
recognize
there
a
lot
of
those
areas
historically
developed
at
densities
less
than
what
is
allowed
on
paper,
but
they're
established
single-family
districts.
So
those
are
the
areas
so
in
those
areas
maybe
granny
Flats,
maybe
duplexes.
You
know
it's
something.
E
A
A
Again,
it's
it's.
A
place-based
area
map
sets
those
up
for
where
they
could
take
place,
but
obviously
I,
don't
you
know
we
have
to
be
very
mindful
about
how
we
would
actually
Implement
something
like
that
and
it
would
have
to
be.
You
know:
Community
input
and
involvement
for
the
affected
areas
to
say:
hey
right
now,
single
family
detached
is
pretty
much.
A
The
only
thing
now
granny
flats
are
accessory,
dwelling
units
are
allowed
in
every
single
family
residential
district
in
the
city
now,
but
maybe
we're
looking
at
you
know
we
might
want
to
make
that
that
language
in
the
Land
Development
code
a
little
more
flexible
because
right
now
they
have
to
be.
You
know
owner
occupied.
Well,
maybe
you
maybe
you
you
know,
maybe.
E
A
So
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
know
so
so
yeah,
it's
it's
just
you
know
it's
a
policy
to
at
least
direct
us
to
look
at
where
we
can
make
those
types
of
changes.
If
it's
publicly
acceptable,
you
know
we
just
we
don't
just
do
it,
but
that
again,
and
that
would
really
be
part
of
that-
that
Land
Development
code
set
of
amendments
in
the
future.
If
we're
just
looking
at
something
like
accessory
dwelling
units
yeah.
E
D
D
Whether
you
know
it
or
not,
no
the.
I
Way,
it
looks
like
we're
working
backwards,
we're
making
it
available
to
people
to
come
in,
for
in
case
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
needed,
we'll
have
public
input
well,
they're
already
lined
up
for
their
public
input
to
you
know
prioritize
residential
development
within
a
quarter
mile
of
public
transportation
and
needs
of
daily
living.
You
know
the
one
of
the
things
about
Tarpon
is
you
know
a
lot
of
the
people
that
live
here
work
outside
of
it?
I
It's
not
we're
not
St
Petersburg,
where
people
in
St
Pete
don't
leave
St
Pete
and
they
don't
want
to
they're
fine
with
just
traveling
around
in
Saint
Pete
I.
Wouldn't
my
parents
always
worked
out
of
the
city
now.
A
lot
of
the
people
coming
here
now
aren't
like
that,
and
they
want
to
all
live
here,
and
that
slows
things
down
and
the
public
I
mean
coming
home
from
work
is
impossible
because
of
the
traffic,
because
people
that
live
here
that
move
here
recently
just
want
to
they'd
live
in
Tarpon.
I
They
don't
they
want
to
ride
their
bikes.
They
want
to
drive
10
miles
an
hour
and
that's
fine,
but
the
more
that
the
public
transportation
like
I,
don't
want
you're
we're
creating
opportunities
and
you're
saying
well.
If
somebody
wants
to
come
in
then
we'll
have
public
input,
but
why
are
we
changing
it
now
to
create
an
opportunity
for
public
input?
If
we're
not
that
demand?
Isn't
there
now?
So,
let's
just
leave
it
until
somebody
asks
for
these
things.
Why
are
we
opening
it
up
to
say?
Hey,
do
you
guys
want
this?
I
A
So
what
what
we're?
What
we're
saying
is,
if
you,
if
you
notice
or
we're,
not
proposing
any
density
increases
at
all
as
part
of
this,
it's
changing
the
vision
now,
but
so
and
that's
and
that
those
chain,
those
that
place-based
area
map
which
identifies
those
kind
of
those,
the
Suburban
areas,
the
downtown
areas
and
stuff.
When
we
that
and-
and
maybe
you
know-
maybe
you
don't
accept
the
public
input
that
we
received
so
far-
we've
had
a
lot,
but
that's
that's!
A
That's
that's
fine,
but
based
on
what
we
you
know
what
we
heard
from
from
the
public
is
you
know
of
the
housing
types
that
they
supported?
There
was
support
for
one
two,
three
and
four
family
residential
now
I'm,
not
saying
we
want
to
put
that
all
over
the
whole
city.
Absolutely
it's!
You
know
it
is
a
well.
A
A
A
Correct
I
mean
we're
not
using
that
when
we
update
the
Land
Development
codes
and
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
r100
district
that
we're
going
to
say
single
family
one,
two
yeah
one,
two,
three
and
four
family
are
appropriate
housing
types
in
the
r100
zoning
District.
No,
that's
not
what
you
know.
That's
you
know.
I
I
Know
the
the
last
Board
of
Commissioners
meeting
I
think
you
know,
I
watched
it
twice.
It
took
me
a
while
to
figure
out
how
dangerously
close
our
commission
almost
one
vote
short
of
basically
almost
allowing
a
zoning
change
based
on
a
private
agreement
between
a
developer
and
an
HOA
president
that
we
had
no
way
of
enforcing
or
making
sure
that
it
happened.
Is
people
could
have
turned
around
and
just
sold
the
property,
and
we
almost
just
I
mean
why
don't
we
just
basically
just
set
up
private
developers
and
neighbors
and
little
mediation
rooms?
I
F
I
A
D
D
I
D
I
think
that
the
value
well
I
think
that
it
impacts
the
neighborhood
as
opposed
to
having
the
family
unit
living
in
in
the
house,
with
an
attached
mother-in-law,
Suite
or
detox
mother-in-law,
Suite,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
you
control
that
or
I.
Don't
know
how
you
restrict
that,
but
I
think
that's
why
you
got
the
people
wanted
to
see
it
because
that's
their
thought,
maybe
their
thought
process
is.
You
know
when
I
get
old,
maybe
I
give
my
house
to
my
kids
and
I
just
move
next
door.
You
know
which.
A
A
The
the
primary
it
has
to
be
there
are
things
that
frankly,
I
think
are
difficult
to
enforce,
even
though
they're
restrictive
covenant,
but
you
know
it
has
to
be
owner
occupied
so
the
owner,
you
know
the
owner,
so
you
can't.
Theoretically,
if
you
have
a
house
and
you
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
you've
complied
with
all
that
you
know
the
only
pre.
You
know
the
only
person
the
owner
has
to
live
in
the
primary
house.
Okay
and
they
can't
be
separately.
A
Metered
there's
you
know,
there's
a
hand,
mean
yeah,
there's
a
restriction
on
the
square
footage
things
of
that
nature.
A
Allowed
here,
yeah
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
talking
about.
Yeah
yeah,
so
you
know
all
we're
saying
you
know
we're
saying
is
that
this
policy
is
that
we
recognize
that,
according
to
Florida
Statutes
we
have
to,
we
have
to
accommodate
for
population
a
certain
population
growth.
We
have
to
do
that
and
we're
saying
that
the
best
way
for
us
to
do
that
when
we
did
the
analysis
is
that
our
existing
densities
and
intensity,
our
existing
residential
densities
versus
what's
actually
developed,
is
sufficient
to
to
work
within
that.
So
you
still
have
an
underlying
density
limitation.
A
So
if
you've
got
a
10,
000
square
foot
lot,
that's
got
one
house
on
it
and
the
and
the
density
is
five
units
per
acre.
You
may
not,
even
though
the
zoning
might
say
you're
eligible
to
have
a
duplex,
you
may
not
physically
be
able
to
do
it.
You
may
just
not
have
enough
density,
they
haven't
done
the
calculations,
but
what
we're?
But
that's
what
we're?
So
it's
it's
very
kind
of
area
by
area
you
may
not
be
able
to
just
the
intent
is
not
to
just
you
know.
A
I
I
know
I
mean,
but
a
lot
of
us
we're
already
a
ton
of
like
we're
already
mixed
Jews
I
mean
downtown,
has
apartments
and
it
has
I
mean
we're
already
kind
of
like
yeah
there,
and
so
I
mean
it's
like
what
how
much
more,
but
yet
people
still
want
more
and
they
want
more,
and
you
know
it's
like
the
Lifeboat
I
mean
you
know
we
can
only
sustain
so
much
and
and
still
be
a
successful.
You
know
City,
so
I
just
don't
want
to
keep
opening
up
until
we
can't
sustain
everything
and
everybody.
E
E
A
Think
Tarpon,
probably
just
if
you're
looking
at
the
schimberg
housing
analysis.
You
know
we
actually
are
in
far
better
shape
for
meeting
affordable
housing
needs
here
than
the
rest
of
Pinellas.
County
I
would
say
the
further
south
you
go
the
worse
it
gets.
You
know
so.
I
don't
feel
like
that.
We
have
as
nearly
as
much
pressure
for
affordable
housing
needs
here,
as
you
might
see
like
in
in
Clearwater
St
Pete
areas,
so
that
you
know
we're
kind
of
fortunate
in
that
you
know
and
I
think
to
me.
A
I
think
one
of
the
the
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
think
about
Tarpon.
That's
really
I,
don't
know
if
it's
Unique,
but
the
thing
that's
really
attractive
to
me.
Is
you
know
if
you,
if
you
want
a
typical
Suburban,
you
know
house,
we
got
that
you
wanted
Urban,
downtown
lifestyle,
you
know
where
you
we've
got
that
we've
got
beaches,
we've
got
I
mean
so
you
know
you.
Can
we've
even
got
some?
You
know
less
dense
areas
as
you
go
out.
A
You
know
farther
farther
to
the
east,
where
you
know
we're
saying
agriculture
is
appropriate.
You
know
so,
you
know,
you've
got
something
for
everybody
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
you
know.
I
think
that's
important
to
hang
on
to
agree.
I
absolutely
agree
with
that
and
that's
what
we're?
That's
really
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
with
that
place-based
area
map.
A
So
you
know
if
and
we
you
know
and
what
we
heard
from
the
residents
when
we
did
the
you
know
the
Outreach
and
we're
gonna
have
to
do
all
that
again,
as
we
start
going
through,
you
know,
adoption
and
stuff
so
that
you
know
one
two
three
and
four
family
and
when
we,
when
we
show
those
housing
types
and
what
people
were
thought
were
acceptable
housing
types
in
these
in
these
areas,
that's
what
we
were
getting.
You
know
you
weren't
getting
feedback.
A
You
know
for
anything
that
was
more
than
probably
you
know
four
plexes
and
eight
Plex.
They
don't
want
it.
You
know
we
and
we
heard
that
loud
and
clear.
So
you
know
in
these
you
know,
and
that's
only
in
really
the
the
more
dense
areas.
The
downtown
areas
where
even
those
things
would
you
know
are
are
acceptable.
So
so
we
we
heard
that
so
we
got,
you
know,
I,
think
we're
fortunate
in
that
we
do
have
untapped
density
available.
It's
just
we
have
to.
I
Yeah
I
mean
that's,
I
mean
just
the
transportation
thing.
You
know
the
buses
the
way
they
stop
now
can
hold
up.
Traffic
for
I
mean
10
to
15
minutes
on
Alternate
19,
and
it
makes
it
impossible
to
get
out
of
Tarpon.
That's
the
biggest
hassle
for
a
lot
of
residents
is
just
just
getting
across
the
street.
A
All
right
so
so
objective,
5.4
again
we're
talking
about
Workforce
housing
opportunities.
A
lot
of
this
is
really
housing
and
affordable
housing
based.
A
A
A
A
I
Who's
gonna
enforce
that.
That's.
D
A
And
you
know
a
lot
of
this
also
gets
more
to
you
know:
Community,
Gardens
and,
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
at
least
trying
to
have
some
agricultural
Urban
agricultural
uses
in
the
city,
whether
right
now,
everything
is
really
geared
toward
your
personal
use.
There's
really
not
a
lot
of
Outlets
or
areas
for
you
know
for
urban
farming
as
a
as
a
profession,
so
to
speak
or
a
place
where
you
can
actually
invite
the
public
in
sell
goods,
and
things
like
that.
So.
C
A
E
Ahead:
okay,
six.
E
E
Something
as
specific
and
I'll
read
it
protect
the
city's
remaining
industrial
design.
Remaining
industrial
designated
lands
from
incremental
land
use.
Amendments
to
non-industrial
uses
just
might
as
well
add
the
other
one
evaluate
the
permitted
and
conditional
uses
within
Industrial
added
zoning
districts
and
amend
where
necessary,
to
protect
the
Integrity
of
the
industrial
designations.
I
G
E
E
There
is
an
intense
amount
of
pressure
on
our
industrial
stuff.
This
is
great
policy,
whether
that
industrial
use
is
maritime
industrial
as
found
on
the
south
side
of
the
ankle
River
at
the
Sponge
Docks
at
the
end,
that's
being
pressured
by
restaurant
use.
Would
that
be
an
a
an
example
of
protecting
industrial
use
where
we're
losing
our
working
Waterfront
to
multi-level
restaurants,.
A
That
certainly
is
part
of
it
now
inside
the
special
area
plan.
That's
that's
kind
of
on
the
South
Side.
You
know
toward
the
end
of
the
sponge
Dock,
that's
a
lot
of
that's
already
in
the
special
area
plan.
Some
of
it,
though,
is
industrial,
yeah,
stamina,
shots!
So
yes,
that
all
that
all
applies,
and
certainly
on
the
north
side
of
the
river
potentially
losing
in
you
know,
industrial
to
you
know,
I
mean
again.
The
little
pressure
is
for
residential
development,
so
so.
F
E
I'll
disclaim,
my
oldest
daughter,
lives
on
geru
Boulevard,
which
is
a
series
of
duplexes.
She
has
a
single
family,
residence
and
right
behind.
Her
is
a
boat
diesel
engine
repair
shop
and
it
is
stunning
what
comes
out
of
that.
So
it's
just
a
living
example
because
I'm
there
every
day
of
that
industrial,
residential,
the
desire
for
more
residential
to
production
of
industrial
so
and
that
area
is
going
to
get
more
and
more
pressure,
and
perhaps
a
special
area
plan
for
that
zone.
F
D
North
the
north
side
of
the
river
yeah,
you
know
believe
it
or
not.
I
mean
tourists
love
to
see
a
working
Waterfront.
It's
not
the
shops.
Okay,
it's
not!
Even
though
they're
the
restaurants
are
the
best
I
think
in
the
state
it
it's
the
working
Waterfront
that
that
people
love
to
see
and
and
if
we
start
taking
away
that
North
the
north
side
of
the
river.
From
from
that
industry,
then
that
will
change
the
character.
That's
inversible
and.
A
That
those
areas
are
what
you're
talking
about
Mike
is
also
captured
on
that
place-based
area
map.
There's
a
stack
of
them
right
here,
we've
you
know:
we've
carved
out
the
working
Waterfront
areas,
the
heavier
Waterfront
and
then
you've
got
the
more
transitional
areas
which
is
farther
up
in.
E
The
so
wood
actions
have
to
take
place
for
that
additional
planning
for
a
special
area
plan.
What
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
that
from
a
good
concept?
Hey
we've
recognized
the
demand
and
the
need.
Now,
that's
a
whole
nother
work
like
you
need
more
work,
but
but
how
do
we
move
that
forward?
So
that's
evaluated
on
its
own
again.
G
For
the
place
yeah,
where
we
basically
recognize
the
place-based
area,
map
I
think
it's
under.
G
So
we
have
goal
two
and
it's
objective:
2.1
just
basically
establishes
that
map
and
then
the
purpose
behind
it,
and
then
we
have
all
the
different
categories
with
their
intent.
Statements
which
say
require
you
know
additional
planning
efforts,
but
that
sets
the
policy
by
having
an
account
plan.
So
we
can.
We
can
go
to
the
commission,
the
Commission
Company
to
us,
someone
come
to
us
and
we
have
the
policy
to
back
up
an
additional
planning
effort.
A
So
then
it
becomes
an
effort.
It
becomes
incumbent
on
the
planning
department
to
say
this
is
you
know
we
need
to
either
we're
internally
going
to
do
it?
You
know,
or
we
need
to
hire
a
consultant
or
somebody,
but
we
need
to
do
a
special
planning
effort
for
that
area.
The
other
areas
is
the
US
19
Corridor
that
we're.
D
Yeah
yeah
I'd
love
to
see
the
city
make
it
very
very
difficult
for
for
that
to
change
the
character,
because
you
know
I'll
give
you
the
example:
political
pressure
in
Pasco
County.
What
is
it
Holiday
Park?
We
want
to
try
to
convert
that
it
to
a
large
Marina.
F
D
E
I
I
like
to
make
a
point
about,
you
know
areas
in
the
city
being
close
to
your
heart.
You
know
I've
expressed.
You
know
that
many
times
here
and
it's
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
we're
not
here
to
change
things
for
like
around
people
that
move
here
and
where
they
live,
because
they
don't
like
where
they
live
and
what's
happening
around
them.
You
know
if
you
don't
I'm
on
the
Community
page,
sometimes
I'm
not
allowed
on
there,
but
I
do
go
on
there
and
it's
hilarious.
I
I
To
Tarpon
Springs
and
have
zero
clue
about
our
community.
Okay,
I
live
in
this
Sponge
Docks
I
was
you
know
my
dad
was
raised
there,
there's
music
from
three
different
places
at
all
times
and
I.
Don't
complain
because
I
live
there.
This
is
my
I
chose.
This
I
cannot
complain
about
it.
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
the
city
and
say:
rework
everything
around
me
so
that
I
am
more
comfortable.
No,
you
know
what,
if
I
don't
like
it,
I'll
just
go
someplace
else
and
that's
what
we
need.
D
D
I
Try
to
bring
a
perspective
like
that
and
whether
anyone
wants
to
listen.
That's
fine,
but
you
know
I,
it
is,
is
one
and
I
listen
to
everybody's
else's
as
well,
because
I
think
that's
why
we're
here
is
to
bring
otherwise
we
just
say
every
everything's
written
down.
So
we
try
to
bring
an
extra
effort
like
she's
like
hey.
This
is.
D
A
A
If
that's
something
that
you
know
of
within
X
number
of
years,
you
know
conduct
a
special
planning
area
or
a
planning
effort
for
these
areas
to
to
further
guide
growth
and
development
or,
however,
that
we
can
come
up
with
something
to
that
effect,
that's
a
little
more
directive
than
than
how
it
is
now.
That's
not
a.
E
Problem
and
that's
just
a
thought
into
segue
off
with
the
lady
said.
The
gentleman
is
that
I've
seen
two
residential
developments
be
put
in
that
Industrial
Area,
because
there's
not
a
good
plan
in
place
now
one
might
be
outside
one
might
be
inside,
but
if
there
aren't
good
guidelines
establish
the
developers
will
find
the
work
around.
They
always
do.
They'll.
A
A
A
It
could
be
up
to
120
Ami,
and
not
only
are
you
not
going
to
see
it
the
board's
not
going
to
see
it
because
we
have
to
administratively
review
them,
and
so
it's
a
I'll
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
take
a
moment
to
talk
about
the
live,
local
act
or
you
know
we're
evaluating
it.
Now
we
intend
to
try
to
put
some
something
together
for
for
everybody,
so
that
people
do
understand
that
this
is
coming
and
we're
trying
to
identify.
So
these
are
the
zoning
districts
where
it's
applicable.
A
These
are
you
know,
and
it
goes
as
far
as
saying
we
have
to
allow
whatever
the
maximum
density
that's
allowed
in
the
city.
We
have
to
allow
that
whatever
the
maximum
height
that's
allowed
within
a
mile
of
the
project,
we
have
to
allow
that
it.
Basically
it
it
it
obliterates
local
home
rule
for
these
projects
and
so
just
putting
it
out
there
I
mean
basically
industrial,
commercial
and
mixed
use.
Zoning
are
all
on
the
table
and
there's
not
you
will
not
have
a
public
hearing.
A
You
will
not
unless,
unless
the
city
decides
to
challenge
something
and
say
we're
just
not
going
we're
going
to,
let
it
play
out
in
court,
that's
obviously
an
option,
but
it's
so
it's
going
to
be
and
I'm.
My
fear
is
that
the
properties
on
the
north
side
of
the
river
are
prime
targets.
Doesn't
matter
about
Coastal
High
Hazard
area
doesn't
matter
about
I
mean
they
still
have
to
meet.
You
know
they
have
to
be.
You
know:
storm
water
and
land.
A
C
I
I
Pinellas
right
on
their
website,
because
a
little
a
lot
of
the
counties
are
we're
trying
in
in
knowing
that
that's
coming
in
preparation
for
it,
making
their
code
I,
guess
more
amenable
to
some
developers,
and
you
know,
but
the
Ford
Pinellas
side
I
went
on
there
and
I
looked
and
they're
saying.
A
What
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
we're
thinking
about
are
you
know
okay
week,
you
know
if
we
have
to
respond
to
the
live
local
Act
so
like
right
now
in
the
industrial
districts,
yeah
we've,
we
don't
have
anything
for
how
residential
to
take
density
and
high
density
and
and
height
off
the
table,
but
all
the
other.
You
know
we
could
say.
Okay,
you
have
to
abide
by
the
dimensional
criteria
of
the
RM
zoning
District,
something
or
you've
got
to
have.
E
A
Are
the
types
of
things
that
I
think
we
can
put
in
place
to
respond
to
that?
Whether
or
not
if
we
under
you
know
how
quickly
we
can
get
something
like
that
done
is,
but
that's
some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
looking
at
well.
I
A
A
A
I
think
some
basic
guidance
of
here's,
how
we
interpret
it
and
how
we
intend
to
administer
it.
We
also
have
a
10-day
turnaround
time
to
respond
to
an
application,
so
I
mean
that
they
put
that
in
and
if
we
don't
it's
just
deemed
approved,
so
we
got,
we
got
to
get
our
ducks
yeah
exactly
so
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
came
out
of
that
live
local
act.
I
A
I
mean
you
know,
what
we
would
intend
to
use
would
be
our
technical
Review
Committee,
but
they
only
meet
once
a
month,
so
I
ca,
sometimes
I,
may
not
be
able
to
say
we
got
an
application
in
for
a
project
under
live
local.
You
know
and
I
want
to
put
it
on
the
next
TRC
meeting.
If
that
TRC
meeting
is
three
weeks
away,
I
can't
do
that
we're
gonna,
so
we
have
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
operate
so
and
we
will
do
our
best.
I
think
what
you
know.
A
Some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
was
you
know,
putting
a
connect
Tarpon
page
up
with
you
know,
at
least
you
know
so
that
we
can
inform
people
so
we're
still
working
through
all
of
that,
but
I,
just
I
did
want
to
put
it
on
your
radar
and,
if
you're
interested,
we
can
forward
a
link
to
a
recent
webinar
that
was
last
week
that
one
of
the
like
Central
planning
commissions,
one
of
the
original
planning
agencies
put
on.
E
C
A
I
B
Whatever
like,
how
long
is
that
there's
there's
actually
various
dates
in
because
I'm,
looking
at
the
actual
laws
of
Florida,
it's
chapter,
2023-17
laws
of
Florida
and
that's
kind
of
I'm
scrolling
through
it,
and
they
have
different
sections
that
have
different
expiration
dates.
Some
go
as
long
as
as
like
2033.
Some
are
a
lot
closer
like
2026.,
so,
but
also
remember
with
those
expiration
dates
in
a
subsequent
session.
They
can
go
back
and
they
can
make
those
they
can
change
those
dates
they
can.
B
F
H
A
A
I
G
I
I
A
I
Or
because
I
think
there
was
also
a
clause
in
there
about
commercial
property
and
how
they
can,
if
something's
owned
commercially,
they
can
just.
They
can
just
use
that
too.
They
don't
even
need
to
worry
about
it.
A
F
A
Thing
that
was
most
interesting
about
the
webinar
that
I
watched
last
week.
They
had
an
attorney
that
was
that
gave
a
briefing
at
the
beginning
of
it
and
and
I
don't
fully
understand
this,
but
the
apparently
the
way
it's
written
it
it
pretty
much
just
disregards
your
comprehensive
plan,
so
it
you
know
so
things
like
whatever
you
know.
Land
use
doesn't
really
come
into
play,
apparently
because
that's
part
of
the
comp
plan,
you
know
Regina
jump
in
and
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong.
A
F
A
So
I
think
you
know.
Obviously
it
just
seemed
like
there
was
a
you
know.
There
was
a
conscious
attempt
to
basically
in
industrial,
commercial
and
mixed-use
areas.
So
if
it's
residential
office,
you
know
that
if
you
know
if
it's
an
affordable
housing
project
that
has
at
least
40
percent
of
its
units
at
120
Ami,
which
really
is
Workforce
housing,
you.
A
That's
probably
about
you
know
an
income
level
of
sixty
five
thousand,
seventy
thousand
dollars.
You
know
in
this
area,
so
you
know,
if
that
you
know
and
then
break
that
into
your
rental.
You
know
whatever
that's
what
is
required
to
or
what
is
allowed
to
develop
on
those
commercial,
industrial
and
mixed
use,
zoned
properties,
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
so
and
then
the
the
density
is
based
on
the
the
highest
density
Within
in
your
jurisdiction
within
one
mile
and
same
thing
for
height.
F
A
Things
that
I'm
a
little
sticky
on
does
that
mean
so
like
we
have
and
it
and
it's
commercial,
it's
you
know
commercial
and
whatever
the
height
is,
you
know
so
so
first
is
in
our
Highway
business
zoning
District.
We
have
one
use
hotels
which
are
allowed
a
height
of
70
feet.
So
yeah
is
that
the
height
that
we
have
to
allow
if
it's
if
the
project
is
within
one.
B
Mile
in
that
zone,
that's
so
that's
what
it
says.
It
says
the
municipality
may
not
restrict
the
height
of
a
proposed
development
authorized
under
this
subsection
below
the
highest
currently
allowed
height
for
a
commercial
or
residential
development
located
in
its
jurisdiction
within
one
mile
of
the
proposed
development
or
three
stories,
whichever
is
higher,
so
they
get.
I
F
C
Most
really
more
industrial,
probably
as
far
as
the
square
footage
goes
today
under
that
it.
B
A
A
It's
very
focused
on
rentals.
It's
not
vocal.
It's
single
family
detached,
even
if
it's
affordable,
is
generally
from
what
I'm
being
told
is
not
it's
not
a
product.
That's
in
play
here,
it's
so
it's
it's
multi-family!
Residential
rental
is
what
this
is
really
targeting.
But
if
that's
what
had
been
proposed,
then
yeah
I
mean
that's
well.
It.
A
I
C
I
B
I
A
A
C
A
E
D
A
Ending
on
this
so
because
yeah
you're
right
I
mean
there's
other
other
issues
on
the
table.
So
all
right,
so
we
were.
A
They
get
all
the
way
to
goal:
seven.
Okay,
so
now
we're
on
to
that's
the
temporary
lodging
facilities,
which
we
pretty
much
got
rid
of
and.
C
A
That's
what's
gone.
Yeah
that
table
again
was
something
that
was
in
the
county-wide
plan.
Rules
that
we
adopted
I,
don't
know
when
that
took
place,
was
that
while
I
was
gone
yeah
to
take
it
to
the
county,
developed
this
alternative
temporary
lodging
density
process
to
allow
for
higher.
Like
Hotel,
you
know,
densities.
You
know
to.
C
A
So
that
we
adopted
that
into
the
plan
it
it
was
by
development
agreement,
only
I
believe
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
these.
So
this
is
like
in
lieu
of
our
standard
40
units
per
acre,
Hotel
density.
If
you
wanted
to
go
through
a
development
agreement
and
go
through
a
special
process,
you
could
get
these
higher
Hotel
density
units
per
acre
to
a
process.
So
we
have
basically
jettisoned
all
of
that,
and
where
did
we
land
on
this
so.
G
Put
into
the
plan
for
penal
says,
updated
So
to
avoid
those
issues
we
removed
the
specific
thank
you
language
and
then
in
the
land
use
categories,
which
is
the
table
that
we'll
discuss
next
or
next
time.
We
basically
just
referred
to
that
section
of
the
county
of
my
plan.
A
A
So
it
should
be
a
strike
through
underline
it
should
be
dated.
May
11th
I
think,
is
that
the
latest
one
hour,
May
11th,
that's
blue.
G
A
G
H
A
I
think
the
the
bulk
of
the
changes
are
we're
trying
to
follow
with
the
county-wide
plan.
They
combined
a
lot
of
their
commercial
categories.
They
had
a
you
know
a
whole
bunch
of
them
into
one
one:
category
called
retail
and
services.
So
we
would
you
know
we
would
ideally
like
to
reduce
the
number
of
land
use
map
categories
that
we
have,
because
we
have
zoning
as
well,
so
to
help
control
things.
A
So
we
picked
up
so
the
current,
but
we
also
recognize
that
we
also
probably
need
to
have
some
breakdowns
with
retailing
services
versus
you
know.
Inside
of
you
know,
in
a
you
know,
like
Alt
19
versus
US
19,
those
are
different
animals,
so
so,
what's
now
commercial
neighborhood
would
become
retailing
services.
Neighborhood
really
know
it's
always.
These
are
name
changes.
Essentially,
some
of
the
changes
do
affect
floor
area
ratio
and
and
impervious
service
ratio.
So
we'll
talk
about
those,
so
we
also
so
then
we
took
you
know.
A
Industrial
Limited
would
become
employment
again,
that's
a
rename
industrial
general
just
becomes
industrial
and
that's
consistent
with
also
how
Pinellas,
County
I
believe
has
theirs
named
as
well.
So
we're
trying
to
just
follow
suit
and
be
consistent
with
that
consistentism.
We
have
to
be
just
similar
crd,
the
Community
Development
District
that
would
become
Activity
Center
again.
No
real
changes
there
other
than
a
name
change.
A
The
commercial
General
fishing
would
become
retail
and
services
water
dependent
again.
These
are
just
kind
of
consistency,
name
changes,
the
industrial,
General
Waterfront
category
would
become
industrial
employment,
Waterfront
dependent,
and
then
we
have
a
new
category.
That's
planned
Redevelopment,
District
and
multimodal
Corridor.
Those
are
new
they're
not
on
the
map
that
they're
new
categories
so
like
that
planned
Redevelopment
district
is
something
that
would
probably
if
we
wanted
to
expand
the
smart
code
area
or
do
another
similar.
A
You
know
process,
we
would
probably
use
the
plan
Redevelopment
District
as
a
land
use
category,
it
would
have
a
special
area
plan
and
everything
would
have
to
be
attached
to
that
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
smart
code
multimodal
Corridor
again,
that's
those
two
districts
are
we're
really
taking
our
cues
from
the
county-wide
plan
on
those
and
then
multimodal
Corridor
is
just
that.
It's
you
know
it's
US
19.
Essentially,
where
you
know
that's,
you
know
based
on
discussion
that
might
be
a
discussion
point
for
y'all.
A
If
we
were
going
to
try
to
do
a
special
area
plan
for
the
US
19
Corridor,
it
would
probably
be
designated
as
multimodal
Corridor
on
the
land
use
map.
So.
G
A
So
then
we
had
some
comp
so
where
we
combined
some
of
the
districts,
so
we've
got
Resort
facilities,
medium
Resort
facilities,
High
those
just
become
Resort
and
we
reduce,
looks
like
we
actually
reduce
the
density
down
from
50
Hotel
units
to
30
units
per
acre
on
those
institutional.
We
just
renamed
public
semi-public,
Transportation
utility
becomes
public
semi-public,
those
were
those
were
combined
and
then
it
looks
like
we've
reduced
the
floor
area
ratio
from
0.7
to
0.25.
I
I
A
So
yeah
so
to
that
point,
the
so
the
commercial
General
to
retail
and
services
there,
then
we
talked
about
this.
This
is
where
you
would
get
that
increase
in
there's.
An
increase
in
dense
in
lodging
density.
Hotel
density
would
go
up
to
40.
again,
that's
just
being
kind
of
consistent
with
40
units
per
acre
and
then
commercial.
Let's
say
commercial
Limited,
combined
with
CG
expanded,
DeLay,
So
Okay.
That
was
no
name
change,
so
commercial,
limited
commercial
General.
These.
I
A
Yeah
I
mean
no
and
yeah
that
that
would
be
under
this.
If
it
they
would
be,
they
would
go
to
retail
and
services.
So
all
of
those,
the
commercial,
General,
commercial,
limited
commercial
wreck
and
residential
office
retail
would
all
become
one
category
of
retail
and
services,
and
it
would
basically
to
your
point:
yes,
they
would.
They
would
not
have
to
get
that
zoning
change
because
they
would
not
have
to.
They
would
not
have
to
be
back
for
a
land
use
map
amendment
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
this.
A
This
wouldn't
recognize
the
increase
in
the
floor
area
and
the
effect
and
the
impervious
service
ratio
to
be
consistent
with
what's
allowed
in
the
highway
business.
Now
that
certainly
is
again
kind
of
open
for
debate.
I
know
there
was
some
concern
about
that
increase
in
in
Far
So.
A
This
is
a
good
place
to
maybe
talk
about
that
recognizing
that
in
if
this
is
just
not
palatable
to
y'all
at
this
point,
I'm
fine
with
pulling
that
out,
because
I've
also
on
the
other
side
of
this
we've
recognized
that
the
US
19
Corridor
is
Transitional
and
it
needs
a
special
planning
effort.
So
this
may
be
cart
before
the
horse.
I
A
C
I
think
I
I
would
be
hesitant
on
the
floor
area
ratio
change,
particularly
in
in
an
area
where
we
know
we're
already
dealing
with
an
artery
at
a
at
an
F
level
of.
F
G
Really
closely
I
just
want
to
provide
a
little
Clarity
for
for
that
retail
and
services
category.
The
only
category
where
the
far
would
potentially
be
increased
is
properties
that
have
that
RoR
designation.
The
cgcl
and
CR
already
have
the
same
floor
area
ratio.
H
A
And
so
that's
that
you
know
it
does
include
that
that
Moses
Tucker
property
and
you
know
any
other
vacant
properties,
basically
from
the
north
side
of
the
river
up
to
the
county
line.
So
it's
really
that
that's
really
where
the
RoR
is
located.
So
it's
it's
a
handful
of
properties
and
again,
if,
if,
if
we
think
that
I'm
perfectly
okay,
if
we
want,
if
you
want
to
pull
out
that
RoR
at
this
point
and
deal
with
it
in
the
future,
keep
the
cgcl
and
CR
as
retailing
Services
after.
I
Everything
with
the
Moses
Tucker
yeah,
you
know,
go
that
whole
process
of
coming
and
you
know
saying
no
and
saying
no
and
saying
no
and
like
when
I
prepare
my
clients
for
like
depositions
I,
always
tell
them.
If
you
don't
know
the
answer
or
you
don't
you
don't
know
you
don't.
Remember
you
just
stick
with
that
answer
now,
they're
going
to
ask
you
a
different
way,
but
you're
not
going
to
change
your
answer
because
they're
going
to
just
keep
asking
different
ways
but
they're
asking
the
same
thing.
I
So
don't
get
confused
but
eventually
sometimes
you
just
muddy
the
waters
and
you
ask
them
and
then
all
of
a
sudden.
Oh
you
get
a
different
answer
and
now
and
so
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
happened
there
and
the
more
I
thought
about.
Well,
we
couldn't
explain
why
it
was
the
way
it
was.
Maybe
that's
why
it
was
the
way
it
was
to
prevent
that
it
was
an
odd
thing,
and
maybe
you
know
whatever
that
use
that
it
prevents.
I
I
What
you
wanted
from
the
beginning,
I
just
assumed
that
was
the
reason
for
the
zoning
is
that
it
was
because
to
prevent
something
like
that
happening,
which
is
a
very
dangerous
slope,
because,
as
that
continues,
if
we
don't
ever
change
it
back,
so
you
need
a
conditional
use
map
that
will
just
become
a
pattern
that
could
have
been
what
they
wanted.
The
whole
time
to
me.
There
never
was
a
real
plan
because
he
I
didn't
think
the
goal
was
just
to
sell
it
to
increase
the
property
value.
I
You
know
now,
I
don't
have
any
zoning
restrictions.
I
can
sell
whatever
I
want
I
can't
no
winning
an
enforce
this
agreement.
With
these
homeowners,
who
just
all
of
a
sudden
switched,
you
know
because
of
this
wall,
I'm
promising
them
for
25
years
here,
sell
it
to
somebody
else,
and
now
you
do
whatever
you
just
increase.
My
property
value
and
I
have
never
had
any
plans.
Here's
a
storage
facility.
I
It
took
me
10
minutes
to
put
on
my
map,
I
mean
you
know,
for
a
site
plan
that
you
know,
commissioner,
a
lot
I
mean
I
think
you
know
has
brought
this
up
before.
We
need
to
reevaluate
when
the
boc
doesn't
agree
with
us
and
I
think
up
until
that
point
we
had,
and
we
were
very
hesitant
and
I
think
when
it
were
hesitant
about
zoning
changes.
I
You
know
at
least
my
thing
is
like
if
I'm
hesitant
or
I'm
not,
and
we're
advisory
just
go
on
default
as
I.
Don't
feel
comfortable
about
this.
No,
let
the
board
make
that
big
decision
and
ultimately
they
didn't
I.
Think
Mr.
Seaman
did
a
really
good
job
of
explaining
or
reasoning
in
putting
it
up
to
conditional
use
was
dangerous
because
you
basically
said:
oh,
it's
fine
you'll
come
back
later.
Well
then,
if
we
say
no,
they
have
okay,
well,
whatever
I
guess.
The
agreement
that
you
based
your
entire
decision
on
is
out
the
door.
I
I
am
in
the
commissioner,
one
of
the
Commissioners
that
actually
made
the
motion
said.
I
was
against
this,
but
then
I
saw
that
you
guys
had
an
agreement
and
that's
just
not
enough
to
just
have
two
private
people
in
an
agreement
that
we
don't
know.
We
only
know
what
they
want
us
to
know.
We
have
no
idea
about
the
rest
of
the
agreement.
Well,
the
whole
agreement
was
provided.
A
F
A
I
I
Always
you
know
so
it's
like
it
just
stops.
People
from
coming
in
and
Moses
Tucker
is
a
very
I
mean
they
like
they're
in,
like
Arizona
and
I
mean
they're
all
over
the
place.
Somebody
made
a
comment
about
Transportation.
It
might
be
a
little
crazy
of
a
comment,
but
if
you
think
about
the
location,
well,
they
are
you.
I
Protect
them
from
themselves
like
they
don't
know
like
this
agreement.
You
know
what
I
mean
like.
Oh
we're,
all
happy
and
hunky-dory.
Well
that
could
just
go
out
the
window
and
they
then
they
would
be
mad
at
us
because
we
were
like
well,
you
guys
said
you
were
happy
with
it,
so
we
just
took
your
word
for
it,
and
the
city
should
not
be
operating
on
the
happiness
of
two
parties
agreeing.
So
we.
A
I'm
going
to
speak
for
staff,
we
did
not
care
about
the
agreement
at
all.
We
were
basing
our
recommendation
on
the
fact
that
you
have
a
property
that
requires
requires
a
residential
develop
as
part
of
the
development
I
know
you
do
and
you
have
a
Duke
Energy.
It's
a
to
this.
From
our
perspective,
this
was
one
property
where
it
made
absolute
sense
to
us
and
I.
I
Know
that
but
yeah
that's
how,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
got
changed
and
that's
what
the
Commissioners
were
saying.
That's
everyone
changed
their
mind
because
they
lost
sight
of
why
we
even
said
No
at
the
first
time,
because
they
had
five
opportunities
to
ask
us
for
the
same
thing:
nothing
apps
nothing
changed
except
they
were
happy
and
that
should
not
have
been
anyone.
You
guys
didn't
base
your
agreement
on
that,
but
that's
what
the
board
half
of
the.
I
D
A
This
is
land
use.
This
is
not
zoning,
okay,
so
the
land
but-
and
there
are-
you
know
you
you
do
have
generally
you
have
more
generalized
uses
listed
for
your
land
use,
but
you
so
you
know,
if
you
don't
have
something
in
the
you
know
in
the
realm
and
the
land
use
that
is
allowed
in
the
zoning.
You've
got
an
inconsistency
of
the
issue
and
then
you
may
just
have
to
live
with
it.
You
know
which
that
doesn't
mean
that
every
everything's
going
to
be
100
percent,
lock
step.
It
just
doesn't
work
that.
D
Way
well,
I'm
confused
if
you've
got
if
this
is
a
land
use,
math,
zoning,
okay,
okay,
if
it's
a
land
use
map,
okay
and
we're
a
heavy
Industrial
land
use
is
the
industrial
okay.
Doesn't
that
mean
that
is
zoned
for
heavy
industrial
as
well?
Maybe
I
mean
there
could
be
different.
It
could
be
different
zoning
within
that
District.
It's.
I
A
A
Yeah
exactly
if,
if
I
could,
if
yeah
it
would
really
literally,
would
be
more
like
the
place-based
area
map
that
we've
included,
that's
a
more
normal
I'll,
say
land
use
map
for
when
you
get
outside
this.
You
know
the
State
of
Florida
but
and
we're
even
more
complicated,
because
we
have
the
county-wide
plan
that
we
have
to
be
consistent
with
as
well.
Well,.
A
I
mean
we
do
not.
You
know
to
the
point
of
I
just
want.
You
know,
I
knew
that,
based
on
the
whole
Moses
Tucker,
you
know
application
that
this
would
be
a
discussion
point
and
that's
why
you
know
the
the
biggest
thing
that's
changing
with
the
residential
office
retail.
If
it
stays
like
it
is,
would
be
the
far
and
the
ISR
increase,
and
if
fundamentally,
if
you
all
think
that
whoa,
let's
put
the
brakes
on
that
because
we
want,
we
want
that.
It's
recognized
as
a
transitional
area.
A
A
I
Would
agree
with
that,
they
were
saying
wasn't
that
it
was
impossible.
It
was
just
impossible
to
do
what
they
wanted
to
do
and
you
didn't
make
that
Duke
easement
seem
as
a
big
as
it
and
like
they
made
it,
but
you
were
just
like
yeah,
it's
kind
of
in
the
way,
but
they
made
it
seem
like
it
was
impossible.
A
If
I
will
I
mean
if
the
Duke
Energy
easement,
Duke
Energy
will
have
to
approve
whatever
comes
along,
I
I
have
not
personally
put
my
eyes
on
something
that
said
that
they
are
preempted
because
of
what's
going
to
go
in
that
energy
and
that
easement
from
doing
residential.
But
at
this
point
I'm
kind
of
taking
it
at
face
value
that
it
is,
and
if
it
is
then
now
they
now,
they
really
can't
do
anything
with
the
property
period
because
they
can't
do
a
requirement.
A
F
A
A
I
I
A
G
A
A
I
I
C
C
G
I
E
I
A
They're
still
gonna
have
to
get
a
conditional
use
to
do
the
storage
itself
that,
because
that's
required
in
the
zoning.
So
it's
storage
units
yeah,
but.
A
All
right,
so,
okay,
is
there
anywhere
else
anymore.
Ally
wants
to
flip
to
the
next
one.
A
E
F
E
H
E
E
As
I
know,
I
made
it
up,
you
actually
got
it
that's
way
site.
Is
that
what
it
is
the
restricted
restricted.
E
A
E
That
was
it
I
just
needed
to
clarify
that
to
Zone
and
then
I'm
gonna
plant,
a
Tiny,
Seed
okay,
without
taking
up
anybody's
more
time,
I
like
to
refer
to
as
the
South
Gateway,
the
often
elected
zone
of
Tarpon
Springs,
which
is
County
right
now
and
somehow,
we've
painted
ourselves
into
what
almost
is
an
enclave.
Only.
I
E
I
stare
at
this
and
struggle
a
I
have
to
travel
through
it.
A
lot
and
just
baffles
me
that
our
South
Gateway,
which
is
arguably
just
as
important
as
our
other
gateways,
is
this
mess
of
County.
So
this
was
the
seat
I
wanted
to
plant.
Is
that
I
think
that
this
Zone
almost
warrants
a
minor
special
area
plan
to
somehow
rest
it
away
in
a
consistent
and
thorough
manner,
so
that
it's
not
a
haphazard,
because
we
can
see
this
natural
boundary
line.
A
E
A
We
talked
about
if
you
flip
over
to
the
play
space
map
extending
we
talked
about
so
the
same
way
that
we've
got
that
transitional
on
us
19..
We
talked
about
putting
a
transitional
area
on
that
South
Gateway
area,
again
to
emphasize
that
we
need
some
sort
of
a
special
planning
effort
there,
but
for
some
reason
we
didn't
do
it
well.
E
E
A
See
we
we
do,
and
so
I
I
would
not
have
any
issue
issues
with
you
know
putting
you
know
that
making
that
that
quarter
transitional
as
well,
you
know
and
to
call
attention
to
it.
We
went
back
and
forth
over
on
this
plate
on
the
place
based
area
map
of
try.
Do
we
go
ahead
and
call
that
out?
Do
we
not
so.
D
A
And
I
think
you
know
I'm
99
sure
that
Pinellas
County
would
be
more
than
willing
to
do
a
you
know.
A
joint
plan.
We've
talked
about
the
same
thing
with
the
north
side
of
the
river.
They
recognize
that
you
know
there
they
would
be
amenable
to
Joint
planning
area.
You
know
joint
planning
process
so
that
you
know
we
look
at
things
cohesively
I
feel
certain.
They
would
it's
like
everything
else.
You
know
time
and
workload.
G
A
A
D
I
I
A
Oh
yeah,
there's
there's
I,
don't
know
what
that
is.
I
E
That's
I.
A
A
A
E
I
I
I
G
G
I
G
I
A
A
Because
we're
removing
anyway
yeah
we're
moving
the
residential
so
I,
just
because,
since
there
was
two
and
they
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
concurrence
on.
Let's
just
go
with
point
three
or
if
you
want
to
split
the
baby
and
go
0.25
I'm
fine
with.
A
I
G
F
I
F
G
I
The
what
are
the
biggest
changes
really.
G
G
I
believe
this
kind
of
brighter
orange
is
residential.
Is
it
office
General.
G
A
That's
just
a
name
chain.
No,
it's
a
it's
a
name
change,
so
it
goes
to
public
semi-public
and
it's
being
combined,
so
Transportation
utility
and
institutional
yeah,
an.
G
I
think
the
presentation
may
have
been
sent
to
you
guys,
but
not
we
can
send
it
to
you,
because
I
think
that
these
two
slides
that
we
have
most
clearly
say
what's
changed.
So
it
says
whether
it's
just
changing
names
but
everything
for
most
part
stays
the
same
or
if
something
changed,
and
maybe
a
density
that
adjusted
or
uses
or
whatnot
I.
Think
that
gives
you
a
good
overview
and
then
so
it
helps
you
when
you
look
through
the
strike
through
underline
at
the
different
texts.
G
A
Another
thing
I
would
call
attention
to
in
the
you
know,
in
the
big
strike
through
underlined
version
of
the
of
the
of
the
categories
we
did,
we
did
did
a
fair
amount
of
wordsmithing
on
the
purpose,
statements
for
our
categories
and
because
we're
trying
to
make
them
and
and
we're
trying
to
make
the
that
work
better
with
the
place-based
area
map
and
what
we
were
trying
to
achieve
with
that
so
and
you'll
also
see
in
that
table.
We
have
a
column
that
says
the
relationship
to
the
place-based
area
map,
so
a
residential,
very
low.
A
You
know
that
really
is
you
know
appropriate
in
the
areas
on
that
place-based
map
that
are
agricultural
or
residential
estate.
So
we're
trying
to
put
some
guidance
in
this
that
when
someone
does
come
in
the
future
and
they
want
to
change
the
land
use
map,
you
know
we
can
say
well,
you
know
the
intent
based
on
the
place-based
area
map,
wouldn't
support
that
you
know
so.
I
To
do
are
there
any?
Is
there
anything
between
alter
an
alternate
team
between
DOTA
Kines
and
the
and
orange
or
Tarpon
Avenue?
Just
any
big
changes?
That's.
A
A
G
F
A
Yeah
so
we'll
have
them
we'll
have
well
we're
gonna
have
we're
going
to
change
it
to
retail
and
services,
pick
up
the
uses,
but
we're
going
to
put
it'll,
be
a
retail
and
services
limited
or
something
I.
Don't
know
we'll
come
up
with
something
and
we'll
push
back
they
on
the
far
and
stuff
to
what
it
is
today.
Yeah
the.
G
C
C
A
A
It
is
on
the
county-wide
plan,
but
this
is
interesting.
The
word.
F
A
It
is
it's
interesting
because
it's
like
you
know
we,
we
kind
of
wrestle
with
that
with
the
special
area
plan,
because
in
the
smart
code,
there's
there's
no
language
in
in
like
when
you
look
at
the
use
tables
and
everything.
It
really
focuses
on
things
like
like
personal
services
like
hair
salons,
it
all
kind
of
gets
lumped
into.
A
G
A
A
A
G
A
A
We'll
be
ready
to
jump
off
to
some
additional
elements
so
we'll
pick
up.
A
C
I
I
learned
that
I
saw
the
last
meeting
how
Costa
gave
the
gather
away.
I
didn't
know
why
it
did
that,
because
you
can't
second
emotion
right
right.