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A
A
I
just
wanted
to
inform
everybody
that
diane
received
an
email
from
mr
stackhouse
saying
that
he
will
be
going
on
this
fabulous
adventure
and
we'll
miss
the
november
and
december
meetings.
So
he
has
an
excused
absence
and
we
wish
you
well
and
maybe
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
you
could
fill
us
in
on
some
details
all
right.
Okay,
great,
we
have
a
guest
today,
sculptor
mike
elwell
who'll
be
making
a
presentation
to
us.
A
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
a
submitted
bill.
Second,
second
trish
minutes
of
september
8
2021
accepted,
is
submitted
as
a
courtesy
to
mr
elwell.
We're
going
to
move
him
up
in
the
agenda.
He's
one
of
our
he's,
a
sculptor
with
a
proposal
for
us.
He
sent
us
some
materials
which
are
in
our
backup.
So,
mr
elwell,
if
you
would
like
to
come
to
the
podium
and.
A
Right,
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
mr
elwell
has
filled
out
the
public
art
proposal.
For
you
know
with
all
with
all
the
details
of
you
know
his
idea
of
the
pack,
mr
elwell,
please
all
right.
C
Well,
my
journey
as
a
sculptor
was
kind
of.
How
would
I
put
it
long
and
extended
very
briefly.
I
have
not
had
any
art
background
whatsoever,
I
have
a
law
degree,
but
that
didn't
help
in
any
way
as
far
as
the
art,
but
I
had
a
friend
that
had
parkinson's
and
he
was
a
wood
carver
and
he
was
a
close
friend
and
at
one
point
his
parkinson's
overtook
him
and
he
could
no
longer
complete
his
wood
carvings.
C
And
so
I
said
duke,
why
don't
we
make
molds
of
some
of
your
pieces
and
see
if
we
can't
cast
them
in
bronze
and
that
way
you
can
market
them
and
he
said
well,
okay,
but
how
do
we
do
this?
And
I
said
I
don't
know
I'm
at
the
university
of
kansas
and
I
can
go
up
and
ask
questions
and
long
and
short,
I
built
a
small
foundry
back
in
the
70s
and
I
blew
it
up
a
few
times,
but.
C
C
This
went
on
so
I
had
an
art
casting
foundry
for
almost
45
years.
At
one
point
I
had
eight
employees
and
it
just
it
just
grew
and
pretty
soon
I
found
myself
doing
so.
Much
touch
up
work
on
waxes
that
people
would
bring
to
have
cast
after
a
while.
I
thought
god.
You
know.
I
think
I
could
do
some
of
these
things,
because
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
some
of
the
heads
that
were
brought
in
and
thinking
you
know
that
eyeball
probably
doesn't
look
real
good
in
the
middle
of
the
forehead.
C
We
might
want
to
drop
it
down
a
little
and
knows
you
know
so
touching
up
all
these
things.
It's
amazing
what
you
can
learn
and
gradually,
since
I
had
the
foundry
I've
been
really
more
interested
in
whimsical
things,
things
that
make
people
smile
and
laugh
and
with
the
foundry.
I
could
kind
of
indulge
myself
because
I
had
a
full-time
job
and
I
didn't
have
to
make
a
living
at
it.
C
C
It's
huge
and
anyway,
that
being
kind
of
an
entree
I
went
down.
I
had
a
divorce
and
decided
I
was
going
to
move
to
saint
pete,
and
that
was
about
12
13
years
ago,
but
I
had
all
this
collection
of
artwork
that
I
drugged
down
to
saint
pete
with
me
and
put
in
my
studio,
and
so
I
thought
what
am
I
going
to
do
with
this?
C
So
I
thought
well
I'll,
go
down
beach
drive
and
see
see
whose
interested
in
the
red
cloud
gallery
indian
gallery
that's
been
there
about
28
years
run
by
harriet
and
steve,
and
I
said:
look
I've
got
this
bench
piece.
Would
you
be
interested
in
displaying
it
harriet
kind
of
said?
Well,
I
don't
know
what
does
it
look
like,
so
I
showed
our
picture.
He
said
well,
yeah
yeah
we'll
put
that
outside.
C
So
I
did
that
and
then
about.
I
don't
know
months
later,
a
fellow
that
owned
waters
jewelry
says
well,
do
you
have
any
more
of
those
I'd
like
one
in
front
of
my
business?
Well,
that
grew
eventually
had
five
pieces
there
in
one
block
of
beach
drive
and
somehow
in
this
process
I
apparently
got
crosswise
of
the
arts
commission,
because
I
had
just
gone
to
the
owners
of
the
business
and
said:
would
you
like
one
of
these
without
any
official
approval?
C
C
So
I
wasn't
on
the
public
sidewalk
and
it's
been
been
a
blessing
and
a
handicap
at
the
same
time,
because
in
terms
of
popularity,
these
are
really
popular
pieces
with
the
people
pictures
pictures
going
all
over
the
world
and
particularly
the
fact
that
they're
kind
of
interactive
they're
designed
to
have
somebody
sit,
get
the
kids
picture
and
then
they
forward
them.
I
mean
it's
funny.
I
was
on
match.com
and
it
was
interesting
how
many
women
had
pictures
on
my
benches
and
say
I
can
introduce
you
to
the
artist
anyway.
C
The
the
casting
book
that
you
have
kind
of
shows
you
a
little
bit
about
when
you're,
comparing
sculptures
and
outdoor
pieces
and
safety
maintenance.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
to
take
into
account
and
what
I
was
mentioning
is
pieces
have
been
there
almost
10
years
and
they've
never
been
vandalized,
which
not
the
same
thing
as
saying
they
don't
get
old
and
tired.
Looking
because
with
so
many
people
handling
and
sitting,
probably
every
it's
a
rule
of
thumb,
I
think
about
every.
C
C
E
C
C
C
Text
but
anyway,
the
the
pieces
are
available.
This
is
the
one
that
I
was
kind
of
pointed
to
to
suggest
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
they
probably
this
weighs
maybe
500
600
pounds.
It's
not
like
somebody
can
pull
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
run
off
with
it
right
and,
like
I
say,
they've
never
been
vandalized
at
one
point
I
kind
of
chained
them
down,
and
then
I
gave
up
on
it.
Nobody,
no
they
just
they
just
sit
there
and
nobody
messes
with
them.
A
Well,
personally,
I
I
love
the
idea
and
I
love
the
the
whimsical
pelican,
for
you
know
selfie
opportunities.
We
had
a
proposal
a
number
of
years
ago
for
a
concept
similar
to
this
and
the
artist
vanished,
so
we
even
have
a
place
for
it
right
diane
we
have
a
home.
E
C
C
I
get
a
lot
of
gosh,
we
love
them,
but
if
we
buy
them,
we
will
have
to
put
them
in
a
public
place
since
they're
on
private
property
right
now,
and
they
said
we
like
them
where
they
are
and
we
get
them
for
free.
So
we
aren't
going
to
do
anything
right
and
with
this
stroke
I
kind
of
got
to
thinking
you
know,
maybe
it's
time
to
for
me
to
be
a
little
more
proactive
and
see
see
if
they
can
find
a
home.
C
C
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
love
the
pelican
and
I
love
the
seahorse
bench
lucian.
Any
comments.
E
H
As
I
said,
I,
my
concern
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
merits
of
this
proposal.
I'm
looking
at
the
various
projects.
We
have
right
in
front
of
us
and
I
feel
like
I'm
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
a
kaleidoscope
and
can't
quite
focus
the
pattern.
Yet
I
know
we're
facing
a
big
budget
item
with
the
black
heritage
project.
H
Diane
has
suggested
a
water
sculpture
that
we're
exploring,
which
will
be
another
major
major
budget
item.
So
I'm
I'm
feeling
a
little
nervous
about
accepting
projects
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
At
this
point
in
time,
right.
A
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody,
since
it's
over
our
15
000
dollar
threshold,
it
would
have
to
get
final
approval
from
the
board
of
commissioners.
So
you
know
just
wanted
to
remind
you
about
that.
That's
one
of
the
things
in
our
ordinance
phil.
H
I
I
E
I
A
K
F
Debbie
I
like
it,
but
I'm
I
would
also
be
concerned
about
our
financial
bottom.
E
F
But
I
would
like
to
explore
the
possibility.
Okay.
A
So,
mr
railwell,
I
think
if
it's
okay
with
you,
I
think
we're
going
to
just
work
with
marissa
and
take
a
look
at
our
budget
and
see
what
we
could
do
and
then,
as
I
said,
you
know
it
seems
like
everybody's
in
favor
of
it
and
then
would
have
to
bring
it
before
the
tarpon
springs
board
of
commissioners.
All.
G
Right
did
you,
did
you
decide
on
which
one
you're
interested
is
definitely
the
pelican,
or
are
you
entertaining
anything
else?
I
think
the
pelican.
H
E
A
H
C
A
Yeah,
no,
it's
it's
a
right.
It's
a
great
price!
It's
a
great
piece.
I
think
we
just
have
to
squeeze
it
into
the
budget.
Somehow
sure!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
okay,
we're
back
to
the
agenda,
we're
on
old
business.
The
girl
scout
troop
storm
drains
diane.
Do
you
want
to
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
that.
G
A
A
A
I
got
a
result
from
a
miss
marmo,
yeah
marmelas
and
again
she
said
that
they
don't
seem
to
be
interested.
So
I
I
suggested
that
oh
and
I
did
get
an
email
from
you
know,
police
chief
young,
saying
that
he
really
wants
to
keep
this
alive
and
maybe
we'll
bring
it
up
again
in
the
spring
and
see
whether
you
know
we
could
get
them
to
come
up
with
some
sketches,
and
you
know
I
guess
they
want
us
to
hold
that
that
space
for
them.
A
I
was
going
to
ask
I
well:
we've
already
started
working
with.
Tarpon
springs
high
yeah.
What
about
eastleigh.
K
Well,
I
yeah
I
was.
I
was
thinking
of
the
pinellas
county,
cultural
culture
in
the
arts,
pcca
it's
down
in
gibbs,
but
they're
made
up
of.
E
K
A
A
D
Did
they
give
a
reason,
or
was
it
just?
Did
they
not
have
enough
time
or
another
project.
G
They
did
cite
in
the
email
that
a
lot
of
students
didn't
have
transportation
after
school
to
stay
afterwards.
You
know
to
to
work
on
the
project
and
some
of
them
had
jobs,
but
they
and
so,
but
there
is
the
weekend.
So
that
is
true.
I
don't
know
that
was
what
was
told
to
me.
So.
A
I
A
G
Well,
he
was
in
the
meeting
with
me
when
we
originally
went
to
the
school
oh
gosh
couple
weeks
ago,
and
we
met
with
the
students,
and
it
was
just
an
initial
gathering
to
kind
of
tell
them
about
the
project
and
everything.
And
so
then
we
left
it
at
that
that
they
would
convene
and
come
up
with
some
drawings.
You
know
and
then
present
them
to
the
public
art
committee,
and
so
I
followed
up
with
them.
G
You
know
and
that's
the
responses
that
I
got
is
that
nothing
has
come
to
pass
so
not
really
sure
what
to
do
now.
Yeah,
because.
L
A
Probably
yeah
yeah,
I
think
you're
closer
in
age
to
those
kids
that.
A
E
I
Well,
I
think
everybody
can
look
in
their
packets
and
see
some
of
the
the
work
that
joan
produced
and
and
david
as
well
david's.
K
I
can
I
speak,
I
I
think
whoever
did
this
did
a
very
good
job.
The
especially
you
know
the
the
presentation
he
was
very
interested.
I
think
a
lot
of
it,
though,
is
really
comes
under
the
title
of
art
mural,
whereas
the
ones
that
are
just
colored,
you
can
see
the
the
red
one
and
the
yellow
one
and
the
red
one
and
the
blue
one
and
things
like
that
that
doesn't
require
an
artist.
K
You
know
that
that's
the
thing
about
it,
and
yet
it's
still,
it
still
resonates
and
that's
the
the
point
I've
been
having
about
this
all
along
is
that
it's
it's
taking
something
that
the
city
could
do.
I
mean
they
could
maintain
it.
I
mean
the
one
of
the
things
about
bright
colors
outdoors
in
florida.
K
J
K
Get
the
the
north
side
goes
green,
whether
you
want
it
to
or
not
or
or
whatever
so
I
you
know,
I
I
think
it's
interesting
to
see
how
they're
broken
up
into
patterns
and
things
like
that.
That's
pretty
time
consuming
to
do
that,
because
what
what
make?
What
will
make
this
work?
If
you
just
slap
the
paint
on
it's
going
to
look
horrible,
but
if
you
paint
it
well,
it'll
look
really
great.
E
K
J
K
These
structures
have
texture
and
they're
in
the
tape
in
the
world
that
frog
tape
doesn't
do
it
either
it
will
seep
underneath
it
and
then
you'll
have
more
of
a
mess,
because
you
won't
be
able
to
do
that.
The
way
the
technique
you
do
for
making
a
hard
edge
between
two
different
colors
is
you
put
the
tape
down?
You
take
a
clear
acrylic
and
you
seal
it
from
the
edge.
All
of
that
would
be
sealed,
and
then
then,
when
you
take
it
off,
you
have
a
little
hard
edge
there.
K
You
that's
the
way
you
can
do
it
now,
that's
very
time
consuming
right,
but
just
going
from
corner
to
corner
it.
You
know,
I
think
it
it's
something
that
that
the
city
painters
could
do
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
they
take
enough
care
of
their
crap
to
to
do
it.
Well,
instead
of
just
throwing
it
on
there,
which
I
doubt
they
would
do
anyway.
But
so
you
know,
I
I
think
these
these
visualize
thoughts.
You
know
about
about
how
they
work
just
solid
color.
H
G
L
K
As
I
think,
a
suggestion
anyway,.
A
Yeah
well,
this
was
this
was
meant
to
be
an
extension
of
what
we
did
at
sisler
field.
You
know
using
you,
know
a
young
artist,
you
know
to
you,
know,
to
come
up
with
a
concept
and
you
know
either
paint
it
or
have
other.
You
know.
Students
or
young
artists
paint
it.
You
know
it.
D
So
the
sharp
patterns
were
basically,
it
was
just
easier
for
me
to
throw
them.
D
No,
no
me
personally,
I
could
do
it,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
it.
But,
yes,
I
do
see
when
you
have
a
texture
on
a
wall.
It
is
very
difficult
to
get
those
crisp
lines,
but
you
could
do
a
circular
mural
or
something
like
that,
but
geometry
to
act
actually
bring
in
the
primary
color
as
well,
because
when
you
see
them
to
where
they
hit
together,
they
almost
it's
close
to
clashing.
K
K
K
It
was
a
way
of
dealing
with
something
that
doesn't
require
budgeting
out
of
our
budget
and
dealing
with
the
sisler
field
and
and
the
other
things
to
where
there
was
a
commonality
in
a
lot
of
the
athletic
fields
and
whether
whether
a
city
would
want
to
get
behind
that
or
not
I've
seen
cities
where
they
have.
G
Well,
no,
I
was
just
saying
that
it
just
seems,
like
you
know
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
public
art
committee
is
tasked
to
you
know,
create
public
art.
You
know,
if
we're
talking
about
painting
walls,
that's
something
that
is,
you
know
we
could
make
that
suggestion
that
you
know.
Wouldn't
it
be
neat
if
you
know
the
next
time
that
you
paint
some
of
these
buildings.
G
G
No
because
you
all
need
to
vote
on
what
direction
you
want
to
go
in,
so
I'm
just
you
know
it's
like,
but
in
my
opinion,
knowing
our
departments-
and
you
know
how
short-handed
everybody
is,
and
you
know
it's
like
all
right.
You
know
I'm
not
sure
that
they
need
another.
G
You
know
task
because
you
know
what
they
do
is
tom
function
told
me
that
they
have
it
in
a
rotation
with
the
buildings
when
they
paint
them.
They
have.
You
know
it's
like
okay,
we
did
this
one
this
year
and
so
every
year
they
you
know,
have
an
agenda
of
when
they're
going
to
paint
different
buildings
within
the
city
and,
as
you
know,
the
city
owns
a
lot
of
buildings.
G
G
F
I
Yeah,
just
you
know,
when
I
look
at
these,
you
know
I
understand
the
primary
colors
and
I
think
it's
a
really
kind
of
neat
idea
when
I
think
of
our
our
audience
with
the
kids
at
the
sports
complex.
I
really
like
one
two
three,
because
it
it
you
know
you
can
identify
whatever
activities
taking
place
there,
but
we
still
have
that
uniformity
of
a
pattern
that
we're
doing
across
all
the
sports
complexes,
and
you
know
I
think
you
can
get
those
primary
colors
intermingled
with
that.
I
A
A
H
E
D
E
D
J
You're
talking
about
you're
talking
about
the
doing
the
walls
in
the
primary
color
correct.
E
A
In
a
sense,
well,
you
know
I
was
talking
to
mark
and
in
addition
to
what
diane
said
about
the
you
know,
asking
city
departments
to
you
know
help
with
the
you
know
the
buildings.
A
A
You
know
to
them,
you
know
using
you
know,
you
know
like
a
stencil
or
some
representation
of
balls
helmets,
some
element
of
the
sport
that's
played
on
the
team
so
anyway,
debbie.
F
I
know
that
we're
dealing
with
kids
in
sports
and
but
I
would
actually
like
to
see
the
building
in
some
sort
of
a
like
a
floral
concept
or
or
painted
some
sort
of
some
sort
of
green
with
palm
fronds
on
it
or
something
other
than
everything
in
in
primary
colors,
and
I
do
agree
with
you
that
they
conflict
and
it
it
doesn't
it's
it's
not
a
good
look
for
me.
E
F
F
A
K
J
K
So
you're
going
to
get
you're
going
to
get
what
kind
of
commitment
you're
going
to
get
for
doing
that.
J
J
L
K
Came
out
of
our
budget
as
a
mural
project
right,
the
the
solid
colors
are
not
a
mural
cup
project,
we're
just
painting
the
building,
but
anything
else
should
be
a
mural
project.
Yes,.
K
So
there's
the
there's.
The
thing
I
mean
I
could
see
you
know
you
want
to
put
a
jungle
on
it.
You
know.
K
You
know,
but
that's
that's
a
commission
and
it's
probably
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
to
do.
K
Yes,
we
have
a
budget,
we
have
to
work
with
right
so
anyway,
I'm
I'm
I'm
not
married
to
this
thing.
I
just.
A
K
A
I
did
a
lot
of
research
with
the
the
company
speed
pro
that
did
the
crystal
applique,
and
you
know
I
was
hoping
that
we
could
use
them
for
the
artist
alley
concept,
which
you
know
got
deep
six
because
of
the
insurance
issues,
but
the
the
company
does
everything
they
prep
the
building.
A
They
they
photograph
the
images.
You
know
they
create
the
the
mural
and
it's
it's
applied.
I
know
the
crystal
mural,
I
think,
was
what
diane
two
days
it
took.
Three
days
tops
yeah,
something
like
that.
So
it's
a
fast
thing,
but
you.
E
A
K
A
H
A
Really?
Okay,
because
I
know
that
chris
donated
the
image
right.
H
Right,
but
the
more
recent
example
we
have
is
the
artist
who
submitted
all
of
the
fish
motifs
his
proposal
for
the
golf
course
right.
Do
you
remember
it
was
yeah?
It.
G
E
L
E
D
I
mean
I
can
plug
at
it
and
put
some
other
ideas
out
there,
but
I
mean
we're
talking
about
six
buildings
correct
and
if
that's
a
mural
project,
that's
going
to
be
five
about
five
to
ten
thousand,
a
building.
A
K
Yeah
yeah-
and
I
I
think
you're
right
about
this-
and
everybody
I
think,
is
thinking
along
this
line-
is
that
so
we
are
the
public
art
committee,
but
one
thing:
we're
also
is
that
that
we
have
to
be
responsible
for
the
way
the
city
looks
and
what
what
we
find
is
really
appropriate
for
for
this
city,
and
you
know
like
the
the
proposal
we
just
saw
if
he
wanted
to
give
it
to
us
or
loan
it
to
us
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
that
would
be
okay,
they're
very
popular.
K
I
can,
I
totally
understand
the
city
of
st
pete,
because
they
they
want
to
have
a
control
over
their
cultural.
Look
right
and
you've
got
to
go
through
through
all
that
kind
of
kind
of
line
that
saint
pete's
a
different
city.
They
have
what
seven
eight
major
museums
down
there.
It's
a
it's,
a
cultural
tourist
attraction
for
for
right
high-end.
K
You
know
the
city
of
new
york
has
that
same
problem
with
people
deciding
to
want
to
just
drop
something
on
a
corner
and
the
most
famous
is
the
bull
and
then
the
little
girl
right
right.
So
those
are
you
know.
Those
are
issues
that
that
come
up,
and
you
know
they
have
a
very
strong
commission
in
new
york.
I've
been
before
them
and
they're
all
superstars.
I
mean
they're
television
superstars
as
well,
but
they
have
they
have
to
keep
keep
control
of
that
and
what
that's?
What
we
are
here
is:
how
do
we
want
to?
K
How
do
we
want
to
present
the
the
the
arts
in
type
and
spring,
and
I
could
see
that
it's
it's
whimsical,
everybody
would
love
it
every.
I
could
see
everybody
taking
a
photograph
with
it
and
stuff
like
that.
For
that
amount
of
money.
I
think
it's
a
good
deal.
I
know
how
much
it
costs
to
make
one
of
those
things
and
it
it
does
stand
up
pretty
well.
He
uses
probably
very
good
lacquers
and
finishes
and
stuff,
and
so
I
I
just
think
we're
kind
of
stewards
of
of
the
look
of
of
tarpon
springs.
E
K
And
we
need
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
we
are
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
propose
a
lot
of
things
to
us
right,
and
some
of
them
will
seem
like
good
deals.
But
is
it
a
good
deal
in
the
long
run
for
the
accumulation?
Think
of
a
collection
of
tarpon
springs,
and
I
mean
we
are
public
art,
but
we
also
we're
the
only
body
here
that
has
to
deal
with
any
of
kind
of
the
aesthetics
of
tarpon
springs.
G
Along
those
lines,
too,
is
that
tarpon
springs
has
now
got
quite
a
few
neat,
really
beautiful
bronzes
with
alma
the
mermaid
and
then
the
naiads
and
storybook
time,
so
the
pelican
would
fit
in
really
nice
with.
G
Know
that
type
of
media
but
marissa
looked
it
up
and
for
that
fish
on
the
wall
was
like
three
grand.
B
A
The
application
thanks
marissa,
okay,
all
right,
so
I
think
I
think
we'll
defer
this
okay.
I
don't
want
to
put
it
to
bed
completely
but
yeah.
Okay.
Moving
on,
we
have
the
sisler
field,
softball
mural.
I
think
she
in
your
packet
is
the
revised
concept.
G
Please
read
the
note
underneath
it
because
I
questioned
her
on
this.
I
said
you
know.
I
still
think
the
middle
image
is
a
little
out
of
proportion
compared
to
the
other
two,
and
she
said
when
I
paint
it
and
the
hash
marks
were
a
little
sloppy.
So
I
said
you
know
she
goes
when
I
paint
it.
It
will
all
be
measured
out
and
it'll
be,
every
image
will
be
proportional
and
the
hash
marks
will
be.
You
know
uniform,
so
she
was
just
doing
this
for
illustration
purposes.
I
Have
we
run
it
past?
The
teams
that
play
there
that
are
involved.
D
K
I
think
she
moved
the
catcher
to
the
center
or
the
shortstop
to
the
center.
Here's
here's
what
I
don't
like
about
it,
the
silhouettes
being
black,
look
like
strip
club
figures
and
just
drive
up
and
down
about
19,
and
you
see
them.
You
also
see
them
on
the
back
of
pickup
trucks,
where
a
figure
is,
is
pole
dancing
a
hook?
K
Think
of
those
images.
Now
you
know
that
that's
visual
art
says
a
lot
and
it
says
a
lot
not
on
the
one
level,
but
on
another
level
and
another
level
of
netherlands.
These
these
all
happen
to
be
young
women,
so
I
I
and
it
I
would
be.
You
know
what
would
make
them
not
look
like
strip
club
silhouettes
is
if
they
weren't
black,
they
weren't
solid
black
silhouettes.
That's
that's.
K
K
Yeah,
I
I
you
know,
I
just
I
just
know
that
that
art's
on
so
many
different
levels,
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
look
and
say:
oh
that's
great,
but
then
she
could
do
so
much
more
with
those
figures.
F
F
I
like
the
way
she's
placed
the
batter
in
the
home
plate.
I
like
the
way
she
has
the
catcher.
The
only
thing
is
is
that
her
foot
is
on
backwards
or
her
head
is
on
backwards,
and-
and
that's
that
I
picked
that
up
that
bothers
me
and
the
girl
throwing
the
ball.
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that.
You
can
tell
it's
a
girl.
She's
got
a
ponytail,
in
fact
the
the
catcher.
If,
if
there
wasn't
any
hair
at
all
on
that,
that
would
be
fine
yeah.
You
know
I
mean
that
was
she
obviously
has
longer
hair.
F
I
guess
coming
down
ponytail
on
two
ends.
If
that
one
didn't
have
any,
and
if
she
was,
I
can't
decide
if
she's
facing
butt
out
or
butt
in
well.
That's
the
whole
idea
of
the
silhouette.
It
because.
K
K
G
E
L
J
A
J
G
K
K
I
K
K
A
Okay
bill
can
I
have
a
motion
on
this
to
you
know?
Maybe
it's
you
know
perhaps
accept
it
without
the
figures.
I
D
J
A
Okay,
roll
call
marissa:
do
you
want
to
do
a
roll
call
on
this.
B
A
Okay,
so
diane,
could
you
take
this
back
to
back
to
her
and
okay,
and
I
think
I
think
if
she
removes
the
figure,
I
think
just
tell
her
to
go
ahead
with
it.
Okay,
does
anybody
have
any
objections.
A
Okay,
the
illuminated
art
boxes,
alan,
the
printer,
is
coordinating
with
tom
function
to
remove
the
panels,
remove
the
current
decals,
replace
with
new
art
decals
and
replace
the
panels,
hopefully
they'll
be
starting
on
this
soon
diane.
Have
you
heard
anything?
It's
done.
K
J
J
Really
yeah,
I
was
there
monday
night
and
I
didn't
recognize
any
of
the
ones
that
I
saw.
I
didn't
go
up
and
down
the
street
to
look
at
all
of
them,
but
I
thought
they
were
new
too
yeah.
I
thought
they
were
all
the
ones
that
I
saw.
I
thought
were
new
because
I
didn't
recognize
them
and
I'd
seen
the
others
several
times.
Well,.
G
Tom
function
said
to
right
before
I
came
over
here,
that
joe
wraith
is
is
on
vacation
he's
out
of
town
until
monday,
but
she
said
that
he
believes
that
he
has
it
scheduled
to
remove
them
and
get
them
to
allen.
So
he
was
gonna.
Let
me
know
you
know
when
joe
got
back,
you
know
of
the
exact
date
that
they
were
gonna
take
down.
A
Okay,
current
well
anyway,
it's
it's
in
the
hopper
to
be
be
done
soon.
So
dovetailing.
A
I
I
did
go
around
to
all
the
different
sports
complexes
and
really
it's
rather
kind
of
cluttered.
I
spoke
to
david
a
little
bit
about
it
and
there's
so
much
going
on
at
all
the
athletic
fields
and
to
find
a
location
where
there
is
a
a
proper
pole
to
apply
it
to
that
would
be
anywhere
in
an
area
where
spectators
or
players
would
get
the
benefit
of
the
art
box.
I
think
it
doesn't
exist,
or
at
least
I.
L
I
E
I
Six
standing
concrete
poles
out
there,
so
substantial,
probably
an
opportunity
if
we
think
that
sunset
beach
would
be
an
appropriate
location
for
something
like
that.
The
downside
david
pointed
out
is
the
beach
closes
at
dusk.
Okay,
so
you
know
the
the.
J
I
G
The
other
question
I
have
bill
is
whether
these
are
county
polls
and
not
city
polls.
I
don't
know
I'd
have
to.
H
I
H
G
I
A
I
We
explored
safford,
you
know
there
was
a
hesitancy
because
of
the
traffic
car
traffic,
the
amount
of
car
traffic
on
tarpon
avenue
and.
I
Yeah
of
actually
putting
something
else
up
there,
because
we
had,
we
had
looked
at
the
the.
E
I
And
lemon-
and
you
know
we
had
looked
at
lemon
street
and
we
were
unable
to
come
up
with
with
the
polls
that
would
would
hold
them.
We're
very
fortunate,
with
the
light
stands
that
are
down
at
the
the
sponge
docks
that
they
support
the
weight
of
the.
K
E
K
A
E
E
G
A
Okay,
that's
a
good
idea,
robert
we'll
look
into
doing
some
more
on
the
sponge
docks.
Okay,.
E
A
Okay,
current
updates,
christopher
still,
I
guess
we're
still
waiting
to
hear
from
advent
health.
I
don't
believe,
there's
going
to
be
a
formal
ribbon
cutting
or
I
haven't.
A
D
A
A
St
kate's
fine
arts
removed
the
second
standing
nyad
yesterday
and
took
her
back
to
the
workshop
kicking
and
screaming
they
will
reinforce
the
supports,
fill
the
legs
with
weighted
metal
and
reinstall
the
course
the
cost.
Thank
you,
lord
was
covered
by
insurance,
which
was
already
received
by
the
city.
A
Miss
efficiency
over
there
diane
wood
already
paid
saint
kate's
half
of
what
their
invoice
was.
So
not
only
are
all
our
bills
paid.
We
actually
have
money
in
the
hopper
for
the
second
round,
so
thank
you,
diane,
okay,
the
remaining
half
will
be
due
on
delivery
and
reinstallation
of
the
two
sculptures
desmond
of
st
cates
did
say
that
they're,
probably
due
for
a
routine,
you
know
look
at
the
patentization,
so.
A
E
F
G
A
A
A
J
F
J
Yeah,
so
we
would
not
be
getting
until
the
2022.
correct,
oh
no!
No,
he
can.
I
thought
you
said
they
were
on
display.
Oh.
J
A
That's
that's
a
very
good
price
for
a
limited
edition
piece.
You
know
the
37.50
for
both
of
them.
A
A
Plus,
given
the
price
you
know
it's,
we
actually
have
the
the
discretion
to
just
go
ahead
and
approve
the
purchase.
Yeah.
E
A
F
A
Some
of
some
ideas
were
kind
of
like
near
the
box
office
downstairs
in
the
hallway
or
in
the
lobby.
You
know
going
into
into
the
building.
You
know
somewhere
in
the
hallway
of
city
hall.
You
know
they're,
not
that
big.
So
we
could.
We
could
really.
You
know
they
could
even
go
over
in
the
cultural
heritage
center
or
the
cultural
center.
G
Do
they
have
the
the
lighting
already
in
installed.
K
Why
it's
a
show
over
at
the
lipper
ratner?
We've
got
a
lot
of
them.
Why?
Why
are
we
wanting
to
buy
two
of
these
for
tarpon
springs?
K
I
mean
what
does
it
have
to
do
with
with
something
for
us,
it's
just
buying
something
that
is
striking
our
fancy
or
what
I
mean,
I
don't
see
the
connection
of
it
and,
and
especially
again,
considering
the
budget
issue
that
we
don't
have
what
I
would
say
an
extensive
collection
of
art
in
this
town.
E
K
Art,
that's
that's.
You
know:
museum
quality,
art
and
things
like
that.
We
have
the
we
have
the
george
innis
juniors,
which
is
hardly
any
of
us
ever
see,
they're,
pretty
famous,
and
so
I
you
know
I.
E
K
That
you
know
couldn't
it,
you
know.
I
just
just
wonder
if
we're
spending
that
kind
of
money
on
these
two
pieces,
which
really
have
nothing
to
do
with
us
and
it's
a
protege
of
of
dali
and
does
it
photographically
or
whatever
it
is
and
does
backlighting
and
and
it's
it's
a
pretty
large
limited
edition
of
things.
K
I'm
just
you
know,
I
think
they're
interesting
works,
but
I
just
don't
see
why
we
would
expend
our
budget
on
them.
I'd
rather
see
buying
a
local
artist,
or
you
know
somebody
who,
who
maybe
commissioning
a
local
artist
to
do
something
that
so,
like
you
know
with
elizabeth.
You
know,
and
there
are
people
here
that
can
do
things
and
and
make
art
make
a
lot
of
art
and
people
in
the
county
that
make
art
and
make
a
lot.
K
Oh
yeah
yeah,
yes,
I
mean
you,
have
you
have
a
lot
of
things?
I
mean
you
know
he
you
know
I.
I
just
don't
think
that
they're,
in
my
opinion,
unique
enough
to
to
want
to
specially
start
this
approach
in
in
seeing
something
we
like
at
an
art,
museum
and
deciding
we
want
to
want
to
buy
them.
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
know,
I'm
I'm
not
for
it.
That's
all.
I
was
gonna
say
I'm
not
a
voting
member
anyway.
So
I
keep
saying
that.
A
Well,
if
he
is
local,
he
does
have
the
tie-in
with
with
dolly
you
know,
I
think
I
think
they're
fascinating
pieces.
It
would
certainly
be
something
unique.
I
know
especially
lucian
we've
been
talking
for
a
while
about
getting
some
more.
A
You
know
modern
impressionistic
type
art
in
town,
so
I
think
from
from
that
point
of
view
you
know
I,
I
think
they're
very
eye-catching.
I
think
they
would
make
an
impact
here.
You
know.
L
A
Unlike
anything,
that's
that's
around
and
you
know
I
I
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but.
F
Do
you
have
one
oh
debbie,
joan
has
any
thought
I've
been
given
to
making
this
like
traveling
that
perhaps
it
could
go
to,
even
if
it's,
even
if
it's
in
plexiglas,
that
it
can
go
to
school,
so
that
kids
could
at
least
see
it
and
appreciate
it
or
no.
F
Yeah
and
easily
hangable-
and
you
know
I
I
just
I
don't-
I
just
don't
know
how
great
the
visibility
is
going
to
be
here
in
city
hall.
It's
not
like,
we
have
a
vast.
I
know
the
the
entry
into
the
the
main
theater
is
is
larger,
but
it's
not
as
if
you
have
like
a
great
reception
area
and-
and
they
are
interesting,
but
I
I
would
actually
prefer
seeing
them
as
traveling
art.
Okay,
well,.
G
G
Place
you
know
their
cultural
center
is
a
possibility
and
then
of
course,
city
hall.
You
know
right
now
the
tarpon
springs,
art
association
or
the
guild.
I
can't
remember
I
get
them
converted.
G
I
have
some
of
the
photographs
from
the
contest
you
know
on
the
wall,
so
those
could
be
taken
down
and
they
could
be
put
there,
but
so
that's
another
opportunity
because
of
course
people
come
in
to
the
lobby
and
come
into
our
shows,
so
they.
G
G
The
the
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
at
the
cultural
center,
too,
is
you
know
we
have
that
beautiful
mural
by
elizabeth
indiano's,
but
we're
also
trying
to
keep
the
rest
of
the
wall
space
free
so
that
we
can
do
visiting
exhibitions
of
local
artists,
and
you
know
and
support
the
the
tarpon
springs,
art
association
and
with
their
shows
and
things
where
this
is
the
first
year
that
we're
actually
they're
back
in
there.
You.
D
G
With
the
plein
air
and
then
they're
gonna
do
a
christmas
show.
So
that's
considerations.
You
know
when
you're
buying
that
kind
of
art
you
know
that
visual
art
that
would
be
in
a
museum
just
keep
that
in
mind.
K
E
A
H
E
D
H
H
Is
there
a
regular
exhibition
program?
How
does
this
fit
in
with
what
else
is
there,
and
if
space
is
problematic
and
we're
not
programming,
then
I
don't
see
that
is
just
stand-alone
works.
They
contribute
to
our
reason.
For
being
yes,
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
more
contemporary
work,
but
really
in
in
an
outside
more
monumental
way.
H
I
Yes,
I
agree
with
with
with
a
number
of
things
that
have
been.
J
I
Around
the
room,
they
are
very
attractive
pieces
of
art.
E
J
Trish,
I
would
like
to
see
us
purchase
them.
I
like
them,
and
I
don't
know,
but
we
keep
talking
about
budget,
but
has
anybody
ever
looked
at
I
mean,
have
we
looked
at
the
total
amount
that
we
have
and
what
we
have
coming
out
so
that
we
actually
know
an
amount
that
we
have
to
spend.
D
Should
I
should
I'm
sure
I
would
love
to
see
them?
I
mean
this,
isn't
something
personally
that
would
hang
in
my
house
right,
I
mean
the
one
with
the
face
is
kind
of
cool.
You
know
it's.
It's.
D
The
half
a
face
on
the
right,
the
one
on
the
left-
I
don't
know
if
I
could
look
at
that
at
night
by
myself.
L
A
I
I
K
A
Okay,
I
think
the
the
motion
fails.
K
Can
I
just
bring
one
thing
up
about
the
budget
on
this
that
was
brought
up
just
real
quickly:
37
3750
and
17
000
for
the
other
project?
A
No,
I
mean
it's
it's
out
there,
we
we
did
get
one,
but
I
mean
I've
worked
in
a
research
laboratory
and
I
can't
figure
it
out.
Maybe
debbie
should
have
a
crack.
K
K
A
Okay,
well,
why
don't
we
we,
we
already
had
a
motion
and
a
vote
to
defer
it
to
the
deadline,
so
I
think
we
should
wait
for
the
deadline,
see
what
comes
in
and
if
there's
nothing
viable,
it'll
go
to
the
selection
panel,
there's
nothing
viable
when
it
when
the
deadline
is
extended.
If
it
has
to
be
then
we'll
reconsider
the
funding.
Does
that
make
sense
to
everybody?
I
think
that's
the
natural
progression.
B
So
it
is
the
beginning
of
our
fiscal
year
right
now.
What
you
have
approved
to
spend
in
the
total
public
art
fund
is
147
thousand
dollars
and
what
you
have
left
in
the
public
art
fund
balance
is
237,
000,
okay,
so
237
000
is
your
whole.
That
is
everything
in
the
public
art
fund,
but
the
boc
has
approved
for
spending
during
this
fiscal
year,
which
is
october
1st,
which
just
happened
to
september
30th
is
147
000..
B
G
I
will
also
tell
you
that,
in
addition
to
this,
I
did
check
with
the
building
department,
because
that's
where
the
developer
money
comes
in,
you
know
and
to
see
if
there
were
any
projects
in
the
hopper
that
could
potentially
be.
You
know,
money
for
the
public
art
committee
and
there
is
none
right
now.
G
A
Okay,
all
right
next
item
of
new
business,
the
proposal
from
david
and
john
hayes
for
a
rental
of
some
artwork.
A
And
let's
see.
H
I
like
the
idea,
I
think
all
of
the
locations
they
have
proposed
are
over
committed
as.
H
At
the
ritz
right,
I
think
there
are
areas
in
town
where
these
could
be
grouped.
K
K
H
To
me,
it's
is
this
a
priority
for
us,
you
know,
given
the
discussion
we've
gone
into,
I
would
much
rather
commit
more
than
our
budget
this
year
to
this
to
the
black
heritage
program.
I
think
that's
a
landmark
kind
of
what
is
the
word.
Everybody
uses
now
a
legacy
project,
and
I,
if
if
money,
were
no
object,
I'd
go
for
this,
but
in
sort
of
a
sculpture
park
kind
of
configuration
right.
That's
where
I
am
bill.
I
Yeah,
that's
falls
in
line
with
my
thinking
as
well.
The
other
piece
of
it
is,
you
know
with
the
one
year
it
kind
of
like
shows
up
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
it
just
disappears
and.
A
J
Trish
yeah,
I
would
rather
see
us
use
our
money
on
something
else.
There
are
other
projects
that
I
like
a
lot
better
than
this.
Basically.
D
E
L
K
K
For
a
year
I
mean
when,
when,
when
sculptures
like
these
go
to
shows
around
the
country,
I
know
artists
that
do
this
and
they're
they're
up
for
maybe
six
months,
maybe
a
year,
the
the
city
that
does
it
has
to
lay
down
foundations
and
those
foundations
have
to
be
in
a
place,
and
then
they
have
to
be
bolted
under
those
foundations.
If
not,
you
have
a
serious,
attractive
nuisance
liability
issue,
somebody
climbing
on
it
and
it's
not
properly
affixed
and
falls
over
and
cuts
it
in
half
then
you're
in
lots
of
trouble.
K
K
E
A
A
Okay,
I'd
like
to
entertain
emotion
to
rent
the
david
hayes
sculptures.
A
A
Okay
marissa,
could
you
call
the
roll.
I
A
Motion
fails.
Okay,
I
think
we've
gone
through
everything
on
the
agenda.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
another
comment.
A
There
was
a
item
agenda
item
at
the
cra
portion
of
the
board
of
commissioners
meeting
on
the
28th
of
september
about
the
purchase
and
placement
of
production
art
by
the
city,
and
there
was
a
draft
resolution
that
was
on
the
agenda
last
night
and
whatever
is
purchased,
will
be
under
the
the
placement
and
is
going
to
be
under
the
aegis
of
ours,
truly
the
public
art
committee.
A
So
I
have
a
few
choice
locations
for
them,
but
that
shall
remain
unsaid.
Does
anybody
have
any
comments
or
questions
about?
Okay,
okay,
diane,
the
city
announcements?
Oh.
G
No,
I
just,
I
think
we
covered
everything
today
of
everything
that
I
have
right:
okay,.
E
I
In
spring
bayou,
and
so
I
reached
out
to
florida,
fish
and
wildlife
commission
and
found
the
right
person
who
is
responsible
for
the
manatee
and
kind
of
had
a
really
nice
conversation
with
her.
And
there
are
some
limitations
that
we
would
have
to
be
mindful
of.
E
I
Would
get
the
final
we
would
need
her
okay
for
the
final
permit,
with
dep,
if,
if
it
went
that
far-
and
she
would
be
more
than
happy
to
work
with
us
during
the
process
to
make
sure
that
anything
that
we
come
up
with,
that
there's
no
way
for
entanglement
or
that
it's
not
disruptive
to
the
manatee.
But
she
was
rather
interested
in
the
project.
G
G
And
also
on
the
back
is
the
the
basketball.
G
D
I
I
D
E
D
Is
pretty
interesting
because
I
mean
I
was
even
eating
a
burger
today
and
when
I
was
squeezing
mayonnaise
out
it
doesn't
just
go
straight:
it
folds,
like
everything,
moves
and
it's
sacred
geometric,
you
know
fashion.
So
I
believe
in
a
lot
of
these
things,
you
can
see
by
the
picture
that
I
put
of
the
river,
how
it
winds
so
maybe
creating
something
that
is
more
naturally
forming,
would
easily
get
passed
or
easier
right
as
well,
but.
A
K
Adventure,
it's
it's
a
it's
it's
kind
of
hard
to
say
if
it's
gonna
happen
or
not.
Okay,
I
mean
that's
my
hesitancy
in
that
and
I
wanted
to
inform
diane
mostly
that
I
wasn't
going
to
be
here
next
couple
of
months
so
that
that's
the
possibility.
Okay.
K
Is
carol
and
I
have
been
invited
to
be
artists
on
board
the
schmidt
ocean
institute
out
of
california,
research,
vessel,
the
falcore
and
and
it's
a
290
foot
research
vessel-
it's
actually
out
in
the
middle
of
that
hurricane
out
in
the
pacific
right
at
the
moment,
and
it's
probably
far
enough
away
from
it,
but
it
was
operating
in
those
waters.
We
are
scheduled
to
early
november
fly
to
baja,
california
too,
and
I
mean
baja
mexico,
not
baja.
K
What
is
the
town,
la
paz,
la
paz,
it's
very
way
down
at
the
tip
where
the
hurricane
happens
to
be
right
at
the
moment
where
it
has
been
the
the
vessel
is
out
there
doing
research
on,
I,
I
believe
it's
looking
at
at
deep
sea
vents
and
and
how
to
image
them
properly,
because
it's
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
ocean
in
the
deepest
parts
of
the
ocean,
and
so
that's
the
kind
of
thing
the
schmidt
ocean
institute
is
it's
a
the
schmitz,
a
husband
and
wife
couple
are
google,
where
they're
google
money?
K
They
they
left,
google
and
they
are
have
this
philanthropic
institute,
called
the
schmidt
ocean
institute.
They
own
this
ship
and
they
give
it
free
to
scientists
all
around
the
world,
and
so
they
go
out
for,
however,
long
to
take
the
mission
to
take,
which
is
why
we
don't
know.
K
A
K
All
right
so
we're
in
that
kind
of
a
limbo
with
the
thing
and
and
what
we
are
is
we're
on
the
last
voyage
of
this
particular
ship,
in
that
it's
sailing
from
la
paz,
through
the
through
the
canal,
through
the
panama
canal,
up
along
the
coast
of
africa,
to
vigo,
spain,
where
they're
going
to
transfer
the
ship
to
a
larger
vessel
called
the
falcore
ii
t-o-o
and
falcore.
Is
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
story?
It's
a
children's
story.
K
I
K
K
K
Yes,
it
is
a
continent
because
it's
about
the
size
of
australia,
but
it's
under
water,
but
it
was
a
continent
and
that
new
zealand's
just
the
top
of
the
mountains,
so
they've
they've
discovered
so
many
things
like
that
and
they
they
have
junior
scholastic
kind
of
things
where
they
ask
people
to
go
out
there
and
give
them
impossible
things
to
to
do
and
they
go
out
and
try
to
do
them.
So
it's.
H
K
It's
a
very
interesting
thing
and
we're
supposed
to
hook
up
with
a
a
major
institution
and
broadcast
daily
back
from
the
ship.
What's
going
on
and
our
our
partner
on
this
sandal
will
be
the
dali
museum
and
they're
they're
into
science
and
dolly
was
into
science.
So
they
they
liked
this,
and
so
we
we
proposed
it
to
them,
and
they
immediately
said
yes
that
this
would
happen.
K
So
there's
a
media
person
on
board
we
broadcast
daily,
we
will
probably
one
of
our
sticks-
will
be
somewhere,
probably
on
the
lower
fan
tail,
where
they
can
step
off
into
the
water
if
they
want
to
we'll
probably
get
a
temperature
reading
of
the
ocean
and
we'll
then
drop
an
ice
cube
in
the
ocean
and
to
symbolically
cool
the
ocean.
K
It
will
be
made
out
of
ocean
water,
it
won't
be
fresh
water
soon
so
and
that
will
be
broadcast
back
as
a
thing
and
then
whatever
else
we're
doing,
and
because
there
won't
be
any
experiments
on
board.
This
particular
trip.
K
In
route
from
la
paz,
mexico
to
vigo,
spain,
so
we
are,
we
are
probably
the
only
people
other
than
the
crew
on
board
and
it'll
it'll
be
interesting.
How
how
it
works
and
it's
a
real
privilege
and
and
we
course
have
to
produce
a
body
of
work.
We
have
to
commemorate
the
falcore,
which
will
then
be
selected
by
them
from
the
body
of
work.
We
do
and
it
will
be
major
work
hanging
in
the
fell
court
too.
K
So
they'll
be
remembering
this
we'll
be
we'll
be
writing
stories
about
the
crew
about
the
about
past
projects
about
the
voyage.
All
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
it'll,
be
multi-faceted
work
that
we
do
we'll
be
doing
paintings
of
of
the
ship,
we'll
be
doing
stories
of
the
adventure
we'll
be
doing,
ships
logs,
which
will
be
illustrated
and
we'll
be
broadcasting
things.
L
L
K
F
F
K
K
Of
course,
you
know
this
is
not
a
a
cruise
liner.