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A
B
Just
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
john
jennings,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
public
art
committee.
I'm
calling
the
meeting
to
order
on
wednesday
march
10th
at
2
p.m.
C
B
Robert
stackhouse
is
our
alternate
number
one
we'll
be
voting
in
david
sallow's
place
and
we
do
have
a
quorum
okay
mark.
Do
we
have
any
virtual
attendants
today.
B
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
february
10th
meeting
so
move
any
second,
any
discussion
comments,
corrections.
B
Okay
minutes
will
be
accepted
as
submitted
because
mr
stackhouse
has
to
leave
us
I'm
going
to
make
some
changes
in
the
order
of
the
agenda.
B
D
I
I
do
not
like
stanchions,
I
I
spent
many
years
managing
historic
buildings,
and
this
I
I
just
think
they're
very
off-putting
to
the
public.
B
B
E
G
Right
michaela,
I
don't
think
they're
necessary
in
this
instance.
B
Okay,
the
second
item
of
business,
I'm
going
to
move
up
is
old
business,
the
black
heritage
project
in
your
packet
there's
a
call
to
artists,
and
I
was
also
given
a
copy
of
the
black
america
series.
Tarpon
springs
book,
which
I
would
like
everyone
to
take
a
look
at
because
it
contains
a
lot
of,
especially
in
the
beginning.
A
lot
of
information
in
images
of
the
early
black
sponges
in
tarpon
springs.
B
B
I
spoke
to
dudley,
sally
who's,
a
lifelong
tarponite
and
currently,
president
of
the
tarpon
springs
historical
society,
and
he
would
be
interested
in
serving,
as
would
annie
dabs.
Who
was
the
president
of
the
historically
black
rose
cemetery,
and
if
it's
agreeable
to
everybody,
I
would
like
to
kind
of
ride
heard
on
this.
But
lucian
do
you
have
any
thoughts.
D
I
think
a
committee
is
a
great
idea.
I
think
dudley
and
and
ms
dabs
are
excellent.
I
I
had
an
observation
about
the
call
to
artist
the
lack
of
a
specific
location.
D
B
Right
we
need,
you
know,
you
know
you
already
nabbed
lynn
whitlow,
but
I
was
wondering
if
he'd
be
willing
to
serve
on
another
one
or
I
thought
of
possibly
teresa
wilkins
who's,
the
director
of
the
leipa
ratner
museum
and
when
we
get
to
robert
too,
maybe
he
can
have
some
suggestions,
but
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly.
D
I
and
I,
as
a
partner,
thought
to
that,
I
think,
with
a
really
strong
jury.
The
jury
can
select
one
artist
and
present
that
to
the
board
of
commissioners
for
approval.
I
I
think
no.
B
Right,
yeah,
no,
I
agree
wholeheartedly.
You
know
this
is
you
know
this
was
up
for
discussion
today.
That's
why
this
hasn't
gone
out.
Yet
I
think
you
know
because
it
deals
with
the
the
spongers.
B
You
know.
Kind
of
the
original
thought
was
down
at
the
sponge
docks,
but
I
think
we've
discussed
in
the
past
that
there's
an
awful
lot
on
the
sponge
docks,
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
discussion,
especially
from
uglucian,
about
diversifying
the
locations
of
the
art
and
possibly
do
something
in
the
union
academy,
geographic
area.
That
would
work.
B
So
that's
why
we,
the
location,
was
open-ended
again
for
you
know,
discussion.
So
do
you
have
any
feelings.
F
About
the
the
call-
and
I
you
know,
I
question
the
the
budget
and
for
something
this
in
a
way
important
and
we're
going
to
go
through
this.
These
these
extra
steps
in
order
to
select
somebody
and
and
then
use
using
a
kind
of
curatorial
decision
on
it
and.
F
It
to
the
city
council,
I
think
50
000
for
something
is
not
going
to
get
much
agreed
and
it's
you
know
it
it
it's
possible.
We
could
buy
the
the
concrete
stand
for
it.
You
know,
and
and
at
least
what
the
budget
was
for
the
nyads,
at
least
that.
B
F
I
know
I
I
know
that
you're
saying
that
that
you
could
get
outside
help-
and
I
know
the
university
of
south
florida
and
in
tampa
they're
they
used
to
do
this.
They
don't
do
public
art
that
much
anymore,
but
on
campus
they
would
they
would
get
top
flight
artists
by
having
a
a
smaller
budget,
but
then
they
would
get
an
outside
donor
to
double
that
budget
right
and
then
what
they
would
do
is
that
that
would
get
the
attention
of
of
the
the
more
accomplished.
B
No,
I
I
agree
with
you,
that's
why
I'm
saying
this
this.
This
is
purely
a
draft
and
you
know
I
I
was
thinking
along
those
lines
too.
You
know
you
know,
given
you
know,
if
you
know
you
get
what
you
pay
for,
if
we
want
a
quality
piece
which
I
think
this
project
in
this
community
deserves
that
it's
going
to
be
half
it's
going
to
easily
have
to
be
six
figures.
Well,
that's.
F
That's
what
I
was
wondering
if
there
are
ways
in
which
we
could
focus
on
this
project
fiscally
somehow
another.
What
are
our
resources,
our
monetary
resources,
and
what
is
what
is
the
possibility
of
transferring
some
of
those
to
this
waylaying?
Some
of
the
others.
You
know
so
that
we,
we
don't
have
somebody
proposing
a
bunch
of
you
know
much
art
around
here.
That
is
not
going
to
help
this
project,
and
is
this
I
don't
know
to
me.
It
seems
like
it
could
be
a
real
premier
statement,
project.
E
E
F
There
are,
there
are
people
who
are
really
good
at
doing
these
things
and
very
creative
about
it.
They're
not
just
going
to
make
a
statue
right
and
in
order
to
attract
them,
you
know
you
look
on
coda
or
you
look
on
other
sites
for
public
art
projects
and
they
immediately
put
the
price
up
front.
You.
B
C
I
believe
what
is
approved
for
use
in
this
fiscal
year
is
more
like
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
a
project
of
this
size
would
have
to
go
before
the
board
of
commissioners
to
get
approval
for
using
additional
funds.
I
can
get
you
more
on
the
exact
figures
for
next
month,
so
we
can
talk
about
how
much
a
project
of
this
size
would
take
out
of
what
we
have
in
our
budget.
Okay,.
B
Yeah,
because
you
know
I
seem
to
think
that
you
know
all
told
you
know,
but
again
some
of
it
is
budgeted
against.
You
know
like
we
have
maintenance
and
you
know
other
concerns,
but
you
know
so
right
now:
we've
got
135.
B
Give
or
take
plus
you
know,
you
know,
trying
to
solicit.
You
know
funds
from
other
sources.
So,
but
I
guess
since
oh
mikhail,
I'm
sorry
you're
again
you're
kind
of
hidden.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
this.
G
I
I
like
the
fact
that
it's
open-ended,
and
I
thought
it
was
very
cool
that
you
guys
have
re-titled
it
just
from
the
sponger
to
a
black
heritage
project,
because
it
does
make
it
more
open,
even
though,
in
the
background,
you
definitely
explain
that.
I
don't
know
enough
about
how
much
pricing
I
mean
what
you're
talking
about.
If
you
up
it
to
a
six-figure
kind
of
thing.
It
sounds
to
me
like
you're,
looking
for
a
sculpture,
possibly
a
bronze
piece
or
something
like
that.
But
in
this
call
it
could
be
almost
anything
right.
G
I
mean
unless
I
misunderstood
it,
so
I
think
the
subcommittee
will
be
really
helpful
in
trying
to
narrow
down
what
location
would
be
best
for
this.
So
people
can
see
it,
but
we're
not
all
putting
all
our
eggs
in
the
sponge
dog's
basket
and-
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
something
innovative.
G
So
while
a
bronze
sculpture
might
be
good,
but
there
I
would
love
to
see
something
else
as
well,
and
I
thought
I
saw
somewhere
in
the
materials
that
diane
sent
to
us,
that
somebody
is
looking
into
finding
out
what
the
african-american
community
in
our
area
is
actually
would
like.
Is
anybody
doing
that?
Well,
I
I've
been
doing
it.
Okay,.
B
You
know,
and
you
know,
as
I
said,
I
would
highly
recommend-
and
I
know
this
is
in
the
library
right.
Yes,.
C
B
An
arcadia
series
and
it's
they
do
various
books,
they
do
images
of
america,
they
do
historic
postcards
this
one
is
the
black
america
series
in
tarpon
springs
florida
and
it
was
written
by
sandra
rooks
and
carol
mountain,
and
I
I've
met
carol
on
occasion,
and
I
know
that
she
was
in
the
historical
society,
but
I
think
you
can
get
a
lot
of
ideas
and
imagery
from
from
this.
This,
I
think,
is
a
very
compact.
B
You
know
way
to
start,
you
know,
and
it's
it's
come
up
in
past
pac
meetings
I
have
been
in
touch
with
shannon
you
know:
peck
bartles,
who's,
doing
a
research
project
for
her
degree
at
usf
on
black
cemeteries.
B
So
you
know-
and
I
know
that
there's
some
very
interesting
facts
to
be
obtained
from
rose
cemetery,
including
you
know,
some
spongers
who
are
interred
there.
So
I
I've
been
accumulating,
you
know
a
lot
of
data
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
you
know
it
would.
Obviously
you
know
if
anyone's
interested.
It
would
obviously
go
to
any
interested
artist,
and
if
you
look
at
the
call
on
the
on
the
back,
there
are
some.
B
B
Unfortunately,
the
only
thing
I
could
find
on
that-
which
I
think
is
probably
one
of
the
more
intriguing
images-
was
very,
very
small,
so
the
quality
is
kind
of
pixelated,
but
you
know
I
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
do,
though,
is
perhaps
take
you
know,
take
entertain
a
motion
and
take
a
vote
on
just
pursuing
this
project.
I
I
really
just
want
to
formalize
that
everybody's
kind
of
supporting
it.
So
do
I
hear
emotion
too,
okay
trish
second
bill
all
in
favor,
I
guess
by
show
of
hands.
B
C
B
Right
right,
so
otherwise,
it'll
look
like
my
budget
at
home
is.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
if
anyone
would
like
to
continue
to
do
some
research
on
you
know
on
on
the
local
stories
like
this,
but
I
think
what
would
be
really
great
if
you
know
especially
bill
if
you'd
like
to
you
know,
explore
some
funding
sources.
B
You
know
and-
and
you
know
find
out
that
you
know
corporate
private
donors.
B
You
know
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
there's
a
lot
out
there,
you
know
and
every
every
little
bit
helps
and
I'm
sure
you're
experienced
enough
in
business
to
know
how
to
balance.
You
know
acknowledgements,
and
you
know
things
of
that
sort.
You
know
as
a
quid
pro
quo
for
whatever
you
know,
monies
we
get
from
from
people
or
organizations
and
if
anyone
has
also
any
ideas
about
anybody,
who'd
be
willing
to
participate.
B
Okay,
I
think
we'll
continue
to
work
on
that
going
back
to
old
business,
the
david
danforth
mural
proposal,
it's
deferred
diane
informed
me
yesterday
that
she
was
expecting
materials
from
him
that
never
arrived
so
we'll
postpone
that
to
the
april
meeting.
B
E
D
B
Right
and
you'll
notice,
the
the
artist
fee
is
within
that
parameter
that
you
know
she'll
be
covered
under
the
as
a
limited
subcontractor
on
under
the
city's
liability
insurance
michaela.
G
I
really
like
this
one
and
you
know
in
the
past
we
had
talked
about
that.
There
are
other
locations
and
I
was
thinking
wow.
You
could
do
that
with
baseballs
and
baseball
bats,
and
you
know
and
basically
expand
that
idea.
If
you,
if
this
turns
out
well,
we
had
always
talked
about
doing
one
first
and
seeing
how
it
goes.
But
but
the
idea
is
very
attractive
and
if
it
looks
anywhere
near
as
good
as
it
does
in
the
proposal,
we'll
be
getting
a
good
deal
for
that
price.
Right.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
appropriate
too.
For
the
location
I
mean
it
is
a
little
league
baseball
field,
so
we're
not
looking
for
the
sistine
chapel
here
so
so.
Can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
move
forward
with
the
the
mural
proposal,
as
submitted
lucian
second
bill,
all
in
favor,
anyone
against
one,
okay,
all
right,
so
it
it
passes.
B
Okay,
now
the
current
project
updates
the
illuminated
art
boxes.
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
second
round
of
images,
and
I
think
next
month
we'll
put
out
a
call
and
diane,
and
I
discussed
pretty
much
of
a
timetable
once
the
call
goes
out,
for
you
know,
submission
you
know,
for
you
know,
receiving
the
images
and
for
the
public
art
committee
to
you
know,
jury
them
much
like
we
did
last
time.
B
You
know
so
they'd
be
replaced
around
october,
which
is
when
the
original
ones
went
up.
Is
everyone?
Okay
with
that?
Yes,
plenty
of
time
right,
I
think
that'll
give
time
for
people
to
you,
know,
prepare
things
and
and
submit
them
and
for
us
to
go
over
them
and
for
the
printer
to
print
them.
B
F
Certainly,
what
becomes
of
the
ones
that
you
take
out.
B
I
believe
so
I
think
if
right,
I
think,
if
the
artist
wants
to
salvage
it,
maybe
the
artist
could
give
us
a
piece
of
vinyl
to
just
re-adhere.
It.
F
B
B
B
G
A
quick
question
when
we're
doing
the
next
called
artist
for
the
art
boxes
next
month.
What
theme
are
we
using?
Because
I
remember
months
ago
I
submitted
ideas
for
themes
and
I
I'm
not
sure
I
ever
got
an
update
as
to
what
the
next
theme
for
the
next
called
artist
would
be.
B
E
F
You
know
a
great
difference
between
a
lot
of
these.
B
F
You
know,
and
it
seems
to
me
florida
is
a
good
theme.
You
know
and
that's
what
you
know,
how
many
what's
the
percentage
of
people
that
walk
those
docks
that
will
look
up
at
that
thing?
Are
our
turks
right
people
that
work
there
probably
aren't
going
to
look
at
it,
and
so
so
it's
it's
more
of
an
attraction
to
people
from
ohio
or
montreal.
B
Or
something
like
that?
Well,
I
was
here
last
night
and
the
owner
of
dimitri's
restaurant
on
the
docks
was
here
and
he
said
that
he
gets
very,
very
positive
feedback
from
his
customers.
They
just
absolutely
love
it
right,
so
that
was
rather
nice
to
hear
yeah.
You
know
it's
if.
A
If
we
explore,
you
know
the
ability
to
reuse
those.
Is
there
a
secondary
gallery
type
of
of
use
that
we
could
could
put
them
through
before
we
return
them
to
or
give
them
back
to
the
rs
in.
F
B
What
I'll
have
to
do
is
talk
to
alan
who
was
the
printer,
who
did
the
the
decals
and
find
out
some
of
the
technical
things,
but
that's
a
good
idea.
I
think
once
we
find
out
the
technical
limitations
we
can.
I
mean.
F
B
The
thing
is
that
the
the
boxes
have
two
sides.
B
E
F
B
B
Yeah
I'll
go
backwards.
Robert,
do
you
want
to
join.
E
F
I
still
think
the
corner
of
the
of
carpenter
and
stafford
is
an
important
spot.
E
F
And
maybe
not
on
monday
night
but
towards
the
end
of
the
week,
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
yeah.
So
I
think
that's
a
public
space
and
there's
room
there
to
put
up
five
boxes.
B
Yeah,
okay,
I'll
look
into
whether
you
know
unless
someone
else
would
like
to
take
it
on.
You
know
to
paul
call
around
and
find
out.
You
know
what
polls
we
could
use,
because
I
know
part
of
the
bike
trail
is:
is
pinellas
county.
Who
would
you
call
pinellas
county?
B
You
know,
I
guess
their
public
works
department,
okay,.
A
F
B
Okay
bill
so
you'll
you'll.
Take
that
on
great
take
a
look
at
that:
okay,
okay,
any
other
comments
or
ideas
about
the
art
boxes.
D
Yeah
lucian,
I
had
an
idea
citing
the
minutes
and
we
we
have
talked
about
the
intersection
of
safford
and
tarpon
avenue,
which
I
would
not
support.
There's
it's
a
dangerous
intersection
and.
G
F
D
Would
sort
of
tie
in
the
sculpture
at
the
at
city
hall
and
the
tarpon
fish
at
the
library
and.
G
D
B
Okay,
you're
getting
a
lot
of
homework
here
bill.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next
item,
christopher
still,
okay,
I
got
an
update
from
chris's
wife
kelly
that
he
is
just
about
finished,
and
the
thing
is
that
now
that
it's
almost
done,
they
are
keeping
it
under
wraps
for
the
grand
reveal.
B
So
we
don't
have
any
updated
images
of
that
and
I'm
sure
you
understand
why
kind
of
a
similar
situation
exists
with
elizabeth
indianos
and
the
mural
of
the
cultural
center.
B
So
she
is,
she
has
given
diane
an
indication
that
she
wants
to
put
a
sealant
on
the
mural.
B
You
know,
especially
since
there'll
be
probably
a
lot
of
families
in
there
and
a
lot
of
the
animals
and
other
creatures
will
be
at
poor
height.
B
So
you
know-
and
this
obviously
I
think
would
be
a
good
ideas
too,
since
we
kind
of
you
know
did
away
with
the
stanchions.
B
So
you
know
it
would
be
some
form
of
protection
for
the
mural,
so
the
ultimate
approval
for
the
payment
is
from
the
city
manager,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
it,
and
I
guess
you
know
when
it's
deemed
completed
diane
will
take
a
look
at
it.
Make
a
recommendation
to
the
city,
manager
and
final
payment
will
be
made.
G
B
D
Unfortunately,
the
riverside
project
is
no
more.
Oh,
no
after
bill's
suggestion
last
month
that
we
get
a
city
person
to
meet
with
a
landowner.
F
D
Explore
solutions
to
some
of
the
doubts
that
she
had
expressed,
diane
made
contact
with
officer
boone
from
the
police
department,
who's
part
of
a
new
community
outreach
effort
and
he
was
going
to
coordinate
sort
of
a
city
response,
but
in
in
the
process
of
setting
up
that
meeting,
the
property
owner
decided
that
it
really
wouldn't
work
for
her.
F
D
Security
and
public.
B
D
Upon
upon
her,
so
we
there
is
a
silver
lining,
which
is
that
her
daughter,
catherine
diamandis
holman,
has
done
a
lot
of
research
on
the
property,
particularly
on
krill.
The
jazz
band
is.
D
D
Mother
mirrors
parking
lot
is
now
right,
but
catherine
has
done
a
lot
of
research
on
him
and
on
the
beckett
family,
which
owned
the
property
in
the
40s,
and
she
has
expressed
a
willingness
to
work
with
the
public
art
program
on
some
other
kind
of
project
that
would
incorporate
the
history
of
that
site.
D
Lynn
whitelaw,
of
course,
is
our
resident
expert
on
the
innocence,
so
between
the
two
of
them,
I
think
diane
is
working
on
ideas
for
an
exhibition,
a
talk
at
the
very
least,
but
it
has
tentacles
that
will
live
on
okay,
good.
B
B
B
Yeah-
and
I
commend
you,
you
know
for
your
creativity
and
you
know
looking
you
know
into
some
other
venues,
but
again
this
is,
I
guess,
one
of
the
pitfalls
of
doing
things
on
private
property
and
so
okay,
so
you'll
continue
to
follow
up,
though,
on
the
the
vestiges
of
the
project.
D
On
katherine
and
lynn,
yeah
yeah,
I
think
that's
in
diane's
hands
now:
okay,
she's
cooking
on
it.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
so
okay
moving
to
new
business,
I
think
a
we've
already
discussed
that
b.
We
received
a
donation
from
the
greater
florida
woman's
club
with
tarpon
springs
of
200..
I
did
send
the
president
reggie
gibson
a
thank
you,
email,
acknowledging
the
the
gift,
and
then
we
have
a
discussion
on
a
timeline
to
review
new
unsolicited
artist
proposals.
B
You
know:
do
you
think
we
should
establish
a
timeline
or
just
leave
it
at
you
know
her
make
it
her
decision
to
bring
it
before
the
public
art
committee
to
see.
E
What
do
you
mean
a
timeline?
Do
you
mean
between
the
time
she
receives
the
request
from
the
artist
until
she
presents.
G
C
B
B
E
I
have
a
question
about
the
ending
of
that
and
it
requires
our
permission.
How
I
mean,
can
we
enforce
any?
If
we
decide,
we
don't
want
it
done,
can
we
enforce
it.
E
E
B
E
C
E
I
think
you
know
when
we
really
don't
have
any
clout
to
tell
them
that
you
can.
B
F
Okay,
I
mean
I
mean
I'd
like
to
have
the
permission
to
say
no.
B
B
Right:
okay,
all
right!
Moving
to
city
announcements,
oh.
D
D
Yes,
okay,
but
we
would
specify
priority
locations
which
are
the
ones
that
are
in
our
master
plan,
but
it
just
seemed
to
me
it
would
be
a
fairer
process
if
it
were
well
advertised
and
well
understood
right.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
bring
that
up
to
diane
and
again
she'll
bring
it
to
the
city
manager.
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea:
okay,
okay
city
announcements.
Okay,
I
gather
this
is
a
city
announcement
on
march
4th.
We
received
an
email
from
james
baniolios,
spano
leos,
I'm
sorry,
dear
public
art
committee
members.
I
am
writing
to
you
regarding
the
illuminated
art
boxes
along
sponge
docs.
While
the
art
boxes
themselves
are
nice,
the
solo
panels
and
battery
boxes
are
frankly
an
eyesore.
B
A
good
deal
of
time
and
debate
went
into
selecting
the
style
and
type
of
light
poles
installed.
When
the
sponge
docks
were
last
upgraded.
The
solar
panels
and
battery
boxes
totally
ruin
the
look
of
the
decorative
light
poles.
Why
did
you
choose
to
use
solar
power
when
the
light
poles
themselves
have
electricity?
B
Not
only
are
the
solar
panels
and
battery
boxes
and
eyesore,
but
the
solar
panels
are
oriented
in
directions
that
do
not
maximize
exposure
to
the
sun,
so
the
panels
lose
power
and
go
dark
relatively
early
in
the
night.
Please
consider
removing
the
solar
panels
and
battery
boxes
and
using
them
on
locations
where
there
is
no
existing
electricity
and
simply
like
the
art
boxes,
with
the
electrical
supply
already
in
the
light
bulbs.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
community.
B
His
address
is
athens
street.
So
that's
my
assumption.
C
B
Okay,
you
know,
I,
I
think
it
has
to
be
acknowledged
either
by
diane,
myself
or
both
of
us.
You
know
just
acknowledging
the
receipt,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
whole
technology
of
the
art
boxes
is,
you
know,
pegged
against
using
the
solar
batteries.
I
I
can't
see
just
yanking
them
out
and
no
not
a
one.
F
B
B
Right,
it
was
a
suggestion.
Okay,
I
said
corrected,
no
all
right,
so
there
there
will
be
an
acknowledgement
of
the
email
sent
okay
and
on
a
positive
note,
diane
gave
us
a
copy
of
the
tampa
bay
magazine
up
front
and
our
the
story.
Time
sculpture
installation
was
once
again
acknowledged,
so
we're
we're
getting
some
very
nice
recognitions
about
our
projects,
which
is
very
gratifying.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
additions
to
the
april
14th
meeting.
B
Anyone
our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
wednesday
april
14th
at
2
o'clock
here
in
the
performing
arts
center,
and
unless
I
hear
to
the
contrary,
we
will
adjourn
the
meeting
at
2
42..
Thank.