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A
A
I
am
sorry
to
say
that
it
is
with
deep
regret
that
last
night
diane
and
I
accepted
the
resignation
of
debbie
hennessey
she's,
gotten
very
involved
in
other
activities
which
involve
a
lot
of
traveling,
and
it
is
also
with
deep
regret
that,
as
of
tomorrow,
david
sallow
will
no
longer
be
a
member
of
the
committee
again.
A
His
work
schedule
is
just
is
such
that
he
does
not
feel
he
can
give
the
time
he'd
like
to
to
the
committee,
so
we're
losing
two
great
members,
but
thank
you
david
for
your
service
personally,
and
thank
thanks
debbie
for
her
contributions
as
well.
We
have
three
guests
with
us
today.
Would
you
all
stand
and
be
recognized.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
paul
smith,
I'm
the
public
services
director
of
my
normal
duties,
but
I'm
also
here
in
the
capacity
of
the
city
manager,
he's
not
able
to
be
in
the
office
today.
He's
asked
me
to
sit
in
and
also
he's
asked
certain
department
heads
to
participate
in
this
workshop
as
well
with
me,
are
kevin
powell
building
director
and
if
you.
C
And
renee
vincent
planning
director
renee
as
well,
so
I
just
like
to
say
by
way
of
background,
if
you
don't
know
me,
some
of
my
other
duties
are
providing
support
advisement
to
the
sustainability
committee,
so
I
do
have
some
experience
with
advisory
committees,
the
also
the
recreation
advisory
committee
as
well
in
the
past.
So
we
hope
that
you
allow
us
to
have
some
introductory
comments
when
you
get
to
this
item
and
possibly
make
suggestions
on
how
we
can
work
through
it
together.
A
Okay,
by
the
way
paul,
if
you
list
all
of
your
duties,
I
think
we'd
be
here
for
a
week.
Thank
you.
Okay.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
discussion
to
review
the
current
ordinance
and
discuss
the
updates
and
changes
to
the
public
ordinance.
A
I
went
over
some
of
the
discussions
that
we've
had
it
past
public
art
meetings
concerning
concepts
and
ideas
that
we
were
concerned
about
in
the
ordinance,
and
I
took
the
liberty
of
actually
making
some
changes
to
the
the
ordinance
which
I
sent
to
diane
and
meegan
and
they're
printed
out
and
highlighted
in
red.
A
I
do
want
to
draw
your
particular
attention
to
page
three
about
two-thirds
of
the
way
down
the
page.
There
is
a
line
that
ran
together
and
if
you
have
your
pens,
ready
I'd
like
to
read
what
was
what
is
unreadable
basically,
the
sentence
reads.
In
addition,
the
committee
is
encouraged
to
have
as
one
ad
hoc
non-voting
member
a
high
school
or
college
student.
A
A
A
We
had
an
experience
with
a
college
student
as
a
voting
member
and
it
did
not
go
well,
but
I
think
they
should
be
encouraged
to
participate
but
giving
them
the
power
to
vote.
Was
it
didn't
work?
Diane
I'd
go
further
than
that
and
make
it
a
college
student.
I
think
the
kind
of
financial
and
social
aspects
that
we
deal
with
are
you
know
it
might
be
great
education
for
a
high
school
student,
but
well
that's
the
purpose.
It's
it's
really.
As
a
as
an
you
know,
educational
observation,
graham,
you
had.
B
A
Paul
renee
and
kevin
you'll
really
to
know
I
like
to
cut
to
the
chase.
Okay,
as
most
of
you
are
probably
aware.
Oh
also,
we
were
given
these
notebooks
that
contain
public
art
ordinances
from
various
other
committee.
You
know
places
in
municipalities
in
florida
and
I
could
say
with
pretty
much
assurance
that
all
of
the
boilerplate
is
pretty
much
uniform
and
that
comprise
the
definitions.
A
So
I
imagine
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
existing
ordinance
and
I
think,
unless
somebody
has,
you
know
a
strong
feeling
about
one
of
the
definitions
that
we
could
move
past
it.
I
did
make
two
notes
on
the
top
of
page
two
with
points
a
and
b,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
defer
to
robert
for
his
expertise
on
this
one
reproductions
parenthesis
accepting
artists
limit
limited
edition
of
sculptures.
A
You
want
me
to
address
that
please
in
bronze
casting
this
is
more
of
the
tradition
of
bronze
casting.
There
are
quite
often
three
originals.
B
A
You
look
at
you,
look
at
a
say:
famous
bronze
sculptures,
like
remington.
Even
the
really
really
really
really
expensive
ones
were
not
touched
by
remington
or
his
studio
they're
cast
of
casts
of
casts.
Now
you
know
in
our
situation
we're
liable
to
run
into
a
situation
where
you,
you
can
purchase
an
original
bronze
sculpture,
but
there
might
be
two
others
out
there.
Usually
generally
that
should
be.
A
C
A
The
reason
I
I'm
suggesting
this
phrase
phrases
because
they
were
reproductions
and
you
know,
and
they
were
purchased.
A
You
know
technically,
if
you
really
wanted
to
get
picky
about
it,
they
did
not
follow
the
letter
of
the
law
in
the
ordinance,
although,
as
robert
said,
it's
kind
of
traditional
and
bronze
sculptures
to
have
more
than
one
edition,
but
there's
still
limited
editions,
it's
a
limited.
It
should
be
numbered,
though,
as
a
limited.
It's
like
it's
like
buying
prints
and
you
know
really
expensive
prints.
They
tell
you
how
many
are
out
there
right
and
they
better
not
fool
around
with
it,
and
that
is
the
case
with
the
nyads
as
well
as
story
time.
B
A
I
you
know
the
it's
always
good
to
just
make
your
very
clear
what
you,
what
you
want
yes
and
limit
on
numbered,
limited
editions,
but
limited
editions
are
or
something
I
mean.
I
guess
we
run
into
the
weeds
here
with
some,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
make
prints
nowadays
and
they
take
photographs
of
their
paintings
and
then
they
well.
This.
A
C
A
A
C
A
B
A
Restrictive,
I
think,
that's
sufficiently
restrictive.
I
mean
okay
and
the
next
one
b
art
objects
which
are
mass
produced
and
then
the
addition
of
and
or
commercially
sold.
A
B
B
You
know
down
by
the
the
supermarket
and-
and
I
noticed
that
we
do
not
have
a
definition
for
landscaping
type
projects,
and
I
did
like
the
one
that
bonita
springs
has
which
says
special
landscape
treatment
means
the
highest
application
of
skilled
and
aesthetic
principles
to
create
unique
planted
or
designed
areas
which
may
include
earthworks,
gardens,
pavings
and
water
features
not
normally
associated
with
public
facility
landscaping,
and
I
thought
we
might
want
to
throw
something
like
that.
In.
A
B
B
B
B
That
no
because
you're
in
the
bid
on
shall
not
be
considered
artwork
right
and
you've
got
that
list
there
of
including,
but
not
limited
to
paintings,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
monuments
erected,
an
artist's
designs,
landscapes
or
landscape
elements
and
artists
designed
landforms
or
landscape
elements.
Yeah,
I
think
we
want
to.
I
would
like
to
supplement
that
perhaps.
A
B
B
B
B
Yeah,
what
I
would
do
is
where
it
says:
artist
designed
landforms
or
landscape
elements.
I
would
replace
that
with
special
landscape
treatments
and
then
define
special
landscape
treatments
just
below
that
as
an
additional
definition
on
the
list
here,
number
18
or
whatever,
and
that
would
be
the
text
from
either
gainesville
or
bonita
springs,
whichever
I
don't
really
care.
B
C
B
C
A
With
gainesville
yeah
we'll
go
back
and
revisit
this,
but
I
want
to.
I
want
to
make
a
first
pass:
okay,
okay,
the
next
section
289
deals
with
the
committee
itself
and
kind
of
to
bring
the
inserted
sentence
into
uniformity
with
point
four
that
last
sentence:
it
shall
be
a
high
school,
a
college
student
who,
if,
under
the
age
of
18,
shall
be
an
ex-officio
non-voting
member,
so
the
words
ex-officio
non-voting
are
inserted,
but
it
doesn't
matter
about
their
age.
They
they
are
to
be
ex-official,
no
matter
how
old
they
are
truth.
C
C
A
A
A
Don't
want
to
okay
tie
everybody
up:
okay,
let's,
let's
move
along
to
291
public
art
project,
juries.
B
Can
we
back
up
to
290
powers
and
duties
of
the
committee
paragraphs
four
and
five.
A
A
B
Okay,
this
this
ordinance
was
passed
in
2007.,
there's
been
increases
in
the
cost
of
living,
inflation,
etc,
etc,
etc.
Since
then,
and
I
suggest
that
the
15
000
authorized
expenditures
should,
in
order
to
keep
pace
with
changes
in
cost
of
living
being
now,
twenty
thousand.
A
And
the
thing
is
remember
that
you
know
just
about
everything
else
has
to
be
approved
by
the
board
of
commissioners,
so
sure
it's
not
that
we,
we
can't
spend
it,
but
okay,
291
the
public
art
project
juries
under
a
may,
appoint
at
least
three
or
up
to
seven
jury
members.
C
A
Maybe
yeah
I
mean
they're,
I
think
they're
yeah,
it's
undersea.
The
jury
should
make
recommendations
to
the
committee,
so
I
think
that's
divine
to
find
further
down.
Okay,
okay,
also
I'd
like
to
add
under
b6
or
a
member
of
the
board
of
the
tarpon
springs
area,
historical
society.
If
the
project
has
historical
references
or
significance.
A
Renae,
any
differentiation
between
the
regular
historic
district
and
the
greek
town,
historic
district,
cultural
district.
That's
a
different
they're,
not
brilliant.
The
greek
town
district
does
not
fall
in
the
purview
of
the
well,
that's
the
affordable
society.
So
that's
it's
just
a
differentiation
that
seems
to
be.
C
A
Another
board
out
there
or
another
group
that
right
okay.
So
what
would
your
big
suggestion
be
on
the
wording
of
that?
I
I
don't
really
have
a
suggestion,
I'm
just
making
you
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
thank
you
yeah,
that
they
are
not-for-profit
group
for
the
greek
town,
historic
area.
So
right
that
does
have
a
designation
right
right.
Okay,.
B
Perhaps
we
could
make
that
paragraph
more
generic
by
saying
a
member
of
you
know
any
interested
group.
A
A
C
A
I'm
just
my
only
thing
was
just
recognizing
that
you're
calling
out
the
historical
society
as
an
entity
for
something
that's
in
the
historic
preservation
district
right.
We
also
have
a
greek
town,
historic
district
and
a
separate
group
out
there.
That's
kind
of
the
shepherd
for
that
area.
So,
however,
you
want
to
resolve
that
to
you
guys.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
were
aware.
B
B
No
strike
the
the
red
stuff,
the
addition,
okay.
B
A
Because
we
currently
have
a
seven-person
jury
sitting
on
the
black
heritage
project.
Okay,
it
was
more
of
a
an
attempt
to
get
a
wider
cross-section.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
seven,
but
it
it
expands.
It.
A
A
You
know
it
just
it
just
says
we
should.
We
should
strive
to
appoint
a
variety
of
persons
as
jurors,
including
a
representative
of
the
neighborhood,
where
the
project
is
to
be
located
so
that
that
says,
wherever
it
is
you're
going
to
do
it.
A
I
don't
know
okay
and
then
c,
to
bring
it
up
to
uniformity,
three
to
seven
jurors.
A
A
Okay,
the
committee
procedures,
okay,
one
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
about
was
undersea
to
insert
the
word
or
to
delete
the
word
successive.
C
C
A
We
kind
of
go
by
the
calendar
year
for
the
committee,
but
we
can
do
whatever
you'd
like.
I
think
you
generally
follow
the
calendar
okay
calendar
year
thanks
renee
thanks
dan,
okay,
keeping
us
honest
here.
Okay
paul
did
you
have
any
any
of
you
guys
have
any
comments
about
292
other
than
the
one
you
made.
A
B
A
A
A
C
A
C
B
A
As
proposals
or
yeah
they're
in
your
your
your
package,
so.
B
A
Can
talk
about
it
at
another
meeting
yeah,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
could
be
a
legal
issue.
B
B
A
Well,
we
are
talking
about
two
different
things,
and
this
is
like
when
the
artist
selection
methods,
so
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
what
has
been
donated
and
accepted
by
the
public
art
in
the
past.
C
A
Past
so
this
is
more
about
the
submissions,
so
I
mean
it
would
be
a
lovely
thing
if
it
could
be
digital
but,
as
you
know,
we
just
saw
with
the
black
heritage
application.
He
did
do
a
lot
of
drawings,
so
you
know
you,
those
are
easily
scannable.
So
right,
I'm
not
sure
it
really
matters
too
much.
You
know
I
don't
want
anybody
bringing
in
a
you
know
huge
painting
to
say:
okay,
take
this
to
the
next
public
art
committee
meeting.
A
A
A
B
Is
what
if
an
artist
writes
to
the
public
art
committee
or
the
director
of
cultural
and
civic
services
and
says,
would
you
please
put
me
on
your
list
for
consideration
for
any
projects
that
may
be
coming
up
in
the
future?
If
you
don't
have
a
registry,
where
are
you
going
to
put
them.
A
A
A
Thank
you
any
of
you
guys
back.
There
have
any
comments
about
this.
Okay
bottom
of
page,
eight
number
five
going
into
page
nine.
This
has
to
do
with
the
fee
schedules.
It
has
to
develop
a
proposal.
An
artist
may
be
paid
a
proposal
fee
on
the
basis
of
an
approved
fee
schedule,
and
I
would
like
to
add
this
proposal.
Fee
is
contingent
upon
prior
authorization
of
the
public
art
committee
and
negotiated
prior
to
the
artist
undertaking
the
work
we
did
have
an
issue
with
this
in
the
past.
A
That's
what
I
figured
okay
art
design,
standards
for
development
and
redevelopment
okay.
Having
looked
at
a
lot
of
the
proposals
from
other
municipalities,
there
was
a
suggestion
to
drop
the
aggregate
job
value
of
a
million
to
250
000.
A
C
C
You
start
lowering
the
amount
it's
going
to
have
a
chilling
effect
on
there's
a
whole
lot
of
detail
that
I'm
not
even
familiar
with
and
I'll
ask
kevin
to
just
provide
a
little
more
background
on
the
development
financing
process
and
how
it
could
really
affect
some
of
those
smaller
projects
to
get
the
financing
if
they've
got
to
come
up
with
that
money
up
front.
So
it's
not
only
that,
but
there's
also
the
administrative
part
of
trying
to
now
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
of
these
permits
being
subject
to
the
requirements.
C
So,
okay,
I
will
say
on
the
plus
side
that
it
is
verifiable.
You
know
there
was
a
concern
that
maybe
some
of
these
projects
that
are
borderline
or
figuring
out
ways
to
value
their
project
under
a
threshold,
but
you
know,
in
speaking
with
kevin
they've,
got
ways
with
accepted
pricing
that
they
can
go
through
the
project
plans
and
verify
those
estimates
so
that
we
can
be
confident
that
that
amount
is
appropriate
and
that
we're
capturing
enough
of
the
projects.
C
Similarly,
I
noticed
madam
chair,
your
comment
at
the
bottom
about
pay
it
prior
to
issuance
of
building
permit
that
gets
back
to
the
financing
concerns
and
that
we
already
do
have
some
changes
to
ordinance
consistent
with
state
statutes
that
require
prior
to
final
inspection.
So
we
we
would
recommend
that
wording
instead.
But
if
you'd
like
to
hear
a
little
more
about
the
concerns
with
the
250
or
really
anything,
much
lower
than
a
million
I'd
like
to
ask
kevin
to
add
to
what
I'm
saying
kevin.
C
Good
afternoon
kevin
powell
building
development
director.
So
when
we
look
at
the
cost
of
construction,
I
know
there
are
some
projects
that
people
had
concerns
about
here
and
we
have
a
table
that
we
go
from
from
the
international
code.
Council
called
the
icc
valuation
table,
so
we
can
take
the
square
footage
type
of
construction
and
we
can
look
at
that
and
we
we
do
verify
the
buildings
based
on
that.
Yes,
construction
costs
are
higher.
However,
this
is
a
a
nationwide
average.
That
is
an
accepted
practice
and
it's
also
within
ordinance.
C
So
that's
what
we
go
by
so
that
that
that's
on
that
end
now,
when
we
start
looking
at
projects
at
250,
000
and
the
financing
of
of
projects,
you
know
everybody
wants
to
look
at
well.
They're,
they're,
a
business
person
they've
got
a
lot
of
money.
Well,
it's
financing,
so
they're
now
adding
that
somewhere
in
their
budget,
going
to
the
bank
up
at
the
very
beginning,
saying
oh
yeah.
C
Besides
the
permit
fees,
I
need
another
25,
50,
60
000
up
front
prior
to
me
breaking
ground
financial
institutions
are
going
to
have
an
issue
with
that.
So
that's
why?
Based
on
state
statute,
with
fees.
C
About
two
years
ago,
they
put
that
out
where
we
would
collect
those
prior
to
final
inspections,
and
what
that
does
for
us
is
if
they
don't
pay,
they
don't
get
final
inspections.
They
don't
get
their
power.
They've
already
got
their
project
that
far,
you
know
they're
into
it,
for
a
lot
of
money
and
banks
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
pay
that
so
those
are
factored
in.
It's
just
that
upfront
fee
that
they're
looking
at
you
know
potentially
up
to
75
000
of
going
to
the
bank
investors
and
saying
oh
yeah.
C
By
the
way,
I
need
an
additional
75
000
on
the
5
000
worth
of
permitting.
I
just
did
so.
Those
are
the
concerns
you
know
from
the
contracting
side
of
it.
Those
are
concerns.
B
A
I
just
want
to
reflect
that
with
all
of
the
ordinances
we've
looked
at.
There
is
a
huge
variation
in
limits,
some
of
them
start
at
250
to
500
and
at
those
levels
the
percentage
in
one
case
is
as
high
as
two
percent
right
and
then
it
the
percentage
diminishes
as
the
project
grows
to
10
million
dollars.
A
There's
one
city
in
here
that
actually
assesses
the
fee
on
a
per
square
foot
basis,
so
many
cents
per
square
foot.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
if
it's
understood
from
the
beginning,
we
can
always
adjust
the
actual
payment
date
to
you
know
the
certificate
of
occupancy
rather
than
loaded
on
the
front.
If
that's
the
major
concern
well.
C
I
mean
the
when
when
we
collect
is
one
thing,
because
you
know
I've
got
statute
to
go
by
and
florida
statute
says
that
you
know
they
don't
we
can't
force
them
to
pay
up
front,
they
can
pay
by,
and
so
we
we
change
the
ordinance
to
say
you've
got
to
pay
prior
to
final
inspections
right.
So
when
it
comes
to
what
percentage
we
use
square
footage
or,
however,
that
is
we
have
to
look
at,
you
know
the
small
business
going,
you
have
it
at
250
000,
you
have
a
small
franchise
business
going
in
marcos.
C
Pizza
went
in
next
to
to
win
dixie.
That
was
probably
a
250
000
build
out
on
there
there
again
it's
a
small
business
going
in
and
what
percentage
are
you
charging
them?
Are
they
prepared
for
that?
So
that's
why
they
were
saying
my
guess.
You
know
keeping
it
at
the
million
dollar
versus
taking
it
down
to
the
to
the
250..
C
C
A
Renee,
I
think,
just
as
I
was
sitting
here,
we
hadn't
talked
about
this,
but
another
thing
that
that
comes
into
play.
We
see
a
lot
of
especially
on
redevelopment
projects
and
kevin
can
probably
speak
to
this.
We
have
so
much
of
our
city,
that's
in
flood
zones
and
so
a
lot
of
times.
People
are
also
getting
hit
with
fema
requirements.
A
A
A
That's
a
much
more
easy
thing
to
for
everybody
to
calculate
you
know
a
contract
comes
in
with,
or
you
know,
building
permit
comes
in
with
a
contract
amount.
Now
we
can
verify
stuff,
but
there
are
things
that
are
a
lot
harder
to
verify
like
site
construction
costs.
So
if
there's
a
pro,
if
there's
an
easier
way
to
calculate
and
assess
versus
trying
to
figure
out,
if
a
contractor
is
you
know,
blowing
smoke
on
the
cost
for
a
psych
instruction
permit
for
a
new
subdivision,
I
think
some
of
those
things
might
be
helpful.
A
C
Well,
one
of
the
other
things
I
saw,
especially,
I
think
it
was
called
out
the
the
city
of
tampa.
They
considered
it
to
be
a
charitable
donation.
You
know,
as
opposed
to
as
opposed
to
a
fee.
I
mean
the
the
people
were
looking
at
it
in
many
different
lights
and
again
as
we
we
looked
at
the
numbers,
it
seemed
like
from
250
to
a
million.
Was
you
know
pretty
much
the
range
across
all
of
the
the
different
cities
and
municipalities
that
we
looked
at?
C
Is
it
much
more
palatable
to
look
at
the
half
million
dollar
as
opposed
to
250
000?
Do
we
hit
a
threshold
somewhere
that
you
know
in
your
calculations
at
all
kevin
you
know
250
a
half,
a
million
three-quarters
of
a
million.
You
know
whatever
that
comes
out
to
you
know,
and
not
even
really
think
about
that
until
renee
said
you
know
about
the
the
fema
stuff,
you
know
we're
more
than
50
in
a
special
flood
hazard
area.
C
The
old
fruit
stand
there
on
alt
19,
you
notice
how
long
that
sat
there
bacon.
A
C
They
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
fema
mitigation
on
that
building.
So
then,
to
you
know,
put
another
expense
on
that
at
least
now
they're
bringing
that
property.
You
know
into
a
nice,
viable
business.
You
know
in
the
future,
but
yeah
they
did
have
to
put
a
lot
of
money
into
the
fema
regular
regulations
to
be
able
to
build
there.
C
No,
it's
right!
Next
to
the
bank
on
mlk,
the
old
gas
station
fruit
stand
yeah.
A
World
not
that
just
you
know,
change
of
occupancy
types
and
things
that
can
kick
in
ada
compliance
and
things
so
a
lot
of
times.
They're.
Just
you
know
these
developers,
or
you
know,
especially
a
redevelopment
project-
are
the
ones
that
are
really.
I
think
you
know
they're
they.
I
think
they
get
surprised
when
they
walk
through
the
door
and
they
start
figuring
out
what
they've
got
to
do
between
fema
ada
building
code
upgrades
and
things
like
that,
and
all
that
goes
into
the
the
cost
of
the
permit
and
the
way
ours
is
written.
A
C
A
A
good
balance-
and
I
don't
know
what
that
is
right:
what
about
right?
What
about
the
ability
to
deduct
the
female
ada
from
the
aggregate
job
value
that.
A
C
That
be
fair,
and
I
was
looking
through
some
and
I
did
see
a
few
municipalities
that
had
on
the
redevelopment
a
different
right
struck
price
structure
on
it.
You
know
we're
just
at
one
one
level,
you
know
we're
one
million
dollars
and
you're
paying
you
know
up
to
you
know
this
amount
or
you
know
up
to
75
dollars.
Once
you
go
over
that
right.
C
And
especially
here
with
the
fema
yeah
and
and
these
these
folks
are
dealing
with
a
lot
of
fema
issues
here
and
a
lot
of
jobs
just
pretty
much
die
on
the
the
table,
because.
B
C
Cannot
come
up
with
that
additional
cost
to
mitigate
those
those
flood
issues.
A
B
Yeah,
I
too
had
noticed
that
there
were
in
some
of
the
municipalities.
There
are
differences
between
development
and
redevelopment,
and
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
we
set
the
lower
limit
at
say,
750
for
new
development
and
a
million
for
redevelopment,
and
just
assume
that
it's
going
to
cost.
You
know
250
for
femur
and
flood
mitigation,
and
what
have
you
or
thereabouts,
which
I
think
would
be
you
know
probably
reasonable.
C
B
C
They
they
fell
below
that
we
we
checked
it
yeah,
you
know,
but
in
today's
construction
cost
it
may
be.
You
know
more
than
that,
but
when
we
go
and
look
at
the
because
we
looked
at
what
they
came
in
at
and
then
we
compared
that
to
the
icc
valuation
table
and
actually
the
icc
was
lower
than
what
their
cost
of
construction
was,
but
as
material
keeps
rising,
how
do?
How
do
we
price
that
you
know
six
months
a
year
from
now
that
material
is
going
to
come
back
down
again
right.
B
One
other
question
I
have
about
this
paragraph
is
that
there's
a
cap
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
the
fee
raised,
and
I'm
wondering
if,
let's
just
take
to
pull
some
numbers
out
of
the
air.
Let's
say
somebody
wanted
to
spend
94
million
dollars.
Building
a
405
apartment
block
somewhere
in
tarpon
and
their
fee
would
be
capped
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
B
B
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
committee
should
have
the
option
to
increase
that
or
whether
it
should
be
by
you
know
by
ordinance
that
it
should
be
greater
than
that,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
the
commission
may
want
the
option
to
increase
that
themselves,
because
at
the
moment,
what
is
the
the
the
fee
that
they
get
for
you
know
street
improvements
and
things
like
that.
It's
like
on
that
particular
project.
It's
like
500
000.
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
it's
nothing!
Really!
Oh
yeah!
Don't
quote
me
on
that
one
yeah
yeah!
I
I
seem
to
remember
it
being
well
under
five
hundred
thousand
and-
and
I
was
thinking
that
you
know
for
for
that
kind
of
development.
Where
you're
talking
about.
If
you
let's
say
you
capped
it
at
250,
000,
that's
still
only
400
per
apartment,
which
is
nothing
when
you
consider
they're
going
to
be
selling
them
for
350.
B
C
You
also
got
to
take
into
account:
that's
not
the
only
impact
fee
on
those
apartments
or
additional
costs
that
go
on
it
yeah,
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
other
fees
that
that
go
into
their
fire
police
library,
road,
so
it's
more
than
that
per
apartment
yeah.
So
that's
just
something
to
to
consider.
Also
when
you
look
at
it,
you
know
giving
the
board
or
the
ability
to
say
I'm
going
to
charge
you
to
whatever
I
want
to
charge
you.
I
don't
know
everything.
I've
seen
pretty
much
caps
out.
C
So
in
hearing
everybody
speak
about
this,
I
was
thinking
the
possibility
of
bringing
it
to
500
000
and
making
the
fema
stuff
for
redevelopment
exempt.
A
Robert,
I
just
you
know
the
difference
between
a
million
dollars
and
say
750
or
500
000
down
to
250..
I
I
think
you
know
I
I
tend
to
to
understand
the
small
bin.
I
mean
I've
dealt
with
projects
that
are
in
that
range
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
pay
for
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
I
mean
I'm
not
building
a
building,
but
I
can
understand
the
cut
of
that
that
goes
into
things,
but
I
also
think
that
one
of
the
things
about
this
workshop
is
that
we're
we're
we're
really
talking
about
the
importance
of
art
to
a
community,
and
it's
always
the
art
that
gets
sort
of
pushed
back,
because
there's
all
these
other
fees
and
these
fees
are
important.
But
so
is
the
art
and
and
and
it's
an
it's-
a
mindset
I
think,
of
having
more
having
more
input
from
the
community.
A
People
coming
in
to
tarpon
springs
because
it
has
an
identity
and
the
identity
is
enhanced,
a
lot
not
just
by
new
shops,
new
buildings
and
things
like
that
and
new
commerce.
But
it's
also
about
the
ambience
of
the
community.
So
so
you
know
the
the
million
dollars
is
fine.
You
know
like
how
many
million
dollar
projects
do
you
have,
as
opposed
to
how
many
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
projects
and
there
there's
where
I
see
an
uptick
in
in
what
can
be
the
the
look
of
tarpon
springs?
And
so
you
know
whatever.
A
Whatever
the
costs
are,
I
think
I
think
we
we
always
tend
in,
and
I
always
see
that
the
costs
that
that
can
enhance
the
arts
are
always
pushed
back.
You
know
and
and
they're
always
pushed
back,
and
yet
that's
one
of
the
things
that
people
say
they
like
about
a
community
is
the
arts
is
the
the
involvement
of
the
community
in
the
arts,
and
if
that
can
be
a
mindset
that
we
can
set
in
this
thing,
I
mean
I've
noticed
with
a
lot
of
these
discussions
about
what
the
city
is
doing.
Looking
forward.
A
Art
is
not
even
mentioned,
I
mean
because
there's
all
these
other
things
that
come
in
front
of
it.
You
know
there's
all
these
other
things,
but
art
is
something
that
when
you
look
back
and
you
look
at
what's
the
10
most
desirable
cities
or
towns
to
live
in
quite
often,
art
is
a
good
reason
why
it's
not
just
the
fact
that
they're
they're
growing
with
small
businesses
and
it's
that
those
small
business
is
are
involved
in
the
arts
itself.
So
that
is
a
commitment
I
think
to
the
community.
A
C
B
C
Making
an
ordinances
you
have
to
think
about
enforcement
and
administration
of
these
things,
and
you
know,
while
that
subtracting
out
the
fema
costs
idea,
is
great.
It's
like
well,
who
would
do
that?
Who
would
verify
it?
You'd
have
a
lot
more
of
these
things
being
processed.
It
would
just
have
a
real
administrative
impact.
A
C
A
A
Should
we
vote
on
this,
I
think
we
should
go
through
everything:
okay,
okay,
section
b
was
deleted
in
its
entirety.
A
B
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
say
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
you
don't
want
anybody
who
thinks
that
they're
operating
under
the
old
version
of
the
ordinance
to
be
disappointed.
If
there
are
some
changes
in
the
new
version
and
all
of
a
sudden,
they
have
to
cough
up
more
money.
What
you
want
is
that
you'd,
like
everybody,
who's
already
qualified
under
the
old
ordnance
to
be
grandfathered
in
and
the
and
all
the
new
stuff
be.
You
know,
under
the
the
new
ordinance.
B
A
A
I
think
it's
come
up
a
couple
of
times
in
these
meetings
and
you
know
to
some
extent
it's
it's
been
kind
of
humorous,
but
it
is
pointed
because
you
know
we
seem
to
have
you
know
a
glut
of
car
washes
and
you
know
for
them
to
say
that
they're
interpreting,
you
know
car
wash
valve
b
is
a
water
featured
public
art
installation.
A
You
know
this
is
the
type
of
thing
we
want
to
avoid,
and
even
you
know
a
number
of
developer
supplied.
You
know.
Public
art
projects
along
19
itself
does
not
lend
itself
to
our
mission,
as
spelled
out
in
the
ordinance
so
yeah,
but
you're
right
graeme.
It
was
just
basic.
I
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
projects
that
could
be
grandfathered
at
this
point.
We
don't
have
any
approved
projects
yeah.
You
know
before
our
committee
anyway,.
B
A
This
section
of
the
code
is
actually
in
the
land
development
code,
and
so
any
ordinance
change
in
the
land
development
code
must
also
go
through
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
review
and
recommendation
of
the
board.
So
it's
just
another
step
in
the
process.
It's
just
wanted
everybody
to
be
aware
of
that.
C
C
Wanted
to
back
up
a
step
and
and
just
talk
about
our
the
deletion
of
b,
so
we've
got
some
real
concerns
with
that.
We
believe
that
leaving
options
to
the
developer
is
integral
to
this
being
sustained
as
a
public
art
ordinance.
C
We
do
believe
that
this
committee
almost
said
sustainability
committee.
This
committee
has
the
power
to
review
these
things
and
approve
or
disapprove
them
so
with
that,
we
would
recommend
keeping
this
option
in.
We
think
it's
part
of
leaving
choices
with
oversight
to
the
developments,
and
we
feel
strongly
about
being
concerned
about
deleting
it.
A
A
You
know
even
the
sustainability
committee
you're
dealing
with
enforcing
rules
and
regulations
we're
a
lot
more
squishy.
If
you
will
and
that's
why
you
know.
As
I
said,
it
came
out
as
a
joke,
but
you
know
having
somebody
say
you
know
my
my
car
wash
alley
is
a
you
know:
a
water
featured
public
art
who's
to
say
it
isn't
you
know,
I.
I
think
we
don't
want
to
get
into
those
kinds
of
controversial
subjects
and,
as
I
said,
we're
probably
one
of
the
few
municipalities.
If
any
that
even
allow
it,
I'm
sure
in
it.
A
On
the
review
on
the
other
ordinances,
you
that
that
you
guys
are
reviewing
and
referencing,
where
does
ours
fall
in
the
lineup
of
when
they
were
adopted,
are,
is
ours
earlier
later
or
no
about
in
the
middle
they're
over.
C
A
Yeah,
I
was
just,
I
was
just
curious:
there's
been
you're
right,
there's
been
an
evolution
and
there
I
think
a
lot
of
ordinances
have
been
revised.
A
Yes,
but
there's
another
real
issue
here,
aside
from
the
car
wash,
and
that
is
public
access
and
we
do
have
a
current
project
whose
public
access
is
very
questionable
and
had
we
had
the
ability
to
say
no,
you
don't
have
the
option
to
develop
it
on
this
tiny
little
parcel
that
nobody
will
see
in
actuality
that
money,
even
limited
to
a
hundred
thousand
could
have
been
applied.
Someplace
in
town
for
far.
B
C
A
I
understand
where
you
guys
are
coming
from
we're
just
looking
at
it
from
the
from
the
how
much
pushback
you
may
get,
and
so
there
there's
another,
and
this
will
be
more
for
the
city
attorneys
to
opine
on.
I
certainly
am
not
an
expert
on
it,
but
there
are
you
know
our
has
put
some
things
in
place
over
the
last
couple
of
years
that
you
know
if
a
property
owner
or
a
business
feels
like
that,
a
new
ordinance
or
a
change
to
an
ordinance
is
at
could
is
it
going
to
adversely
affect
them?
A
Then
they
can
challenge
that.
So
just
that's
we're
kind
of
coming
at
this
too,
from
the
standpoint
of
who
are
we
opening
ourselves
up
to
a
challenge
so
and
that's
for
the
attorneys
to
to
really
weigh
in
on
not
right,
I
think
you're
kind
of
bolstering
our
point,
which
is
that
if
it's
in
the
ordinance,
then
we
don't
have
to
fight
that
battle
on
a
review
process
or
a
policy
basis.
I
think
everybody's
pantry
has
a
can
of
worms.
A
B
In
paragraph
a
it
says,
aggregate
job
values
of
up
to
a
million
dollars
must
allocate
not
less
than
one
percent
of
the
aggregate
job
value.
In
paragraph
b
it
says
if
you're
subject
to
paragraph
a
right,
then
the
developer
shall
have
two
options.
B
He
can
either
contract
with
an
artist
and
and
and
the
contract
with
the
artist
and
the
provision
of
the
artwork
is
subject
to
this
committee's
review,
or
he
can
ignore
completely
that
at
least
of
not
less
than
one
percent
and
contribute
a
0.75
percent.
Now
anybody
who
isn't
completely
nuts
would
say:
okay,
so
really
what
they
want
is
0.75.
B
A
A
C
I
was
going
to
say
is
the
benefit
of
an
outsider
and
I
could
speak
incorrectly
here,
but
to
me
how
this
strikes
me
is:
if
you
want
to
really
embrace
public
art
and
work
with
us,
you
have
this
option,
you
know
if
you
want
to
take
the
easy
way
out.
You
know
just
pay
us
the
cash
that
it'll
be
0.75
and
I
think
it
does
separate
out
the
people
that
really
want
to
be
part
of
the
process.
You
know,
but
I
I
do
understand
your
point
of
it
seems
like
an
inverse
motivation.
B
A
A
A
A
And
I
just
think
allowing
this
really
muddies
the
waters.
I'd
like
some
clarification.
If
we
strike
b,
I
don't
see
the
language
that
allows
one
percent
or
0.75
percent
to
be
paid
into
the
fund.
A
B
B
A
B
A
A
A
A
Robert,
I
just
think
that
they
should
give
the
money
to
the
test
and
let
us
do
it:
okay,
megan.
Would
you
call
the
roll
please
we
have
a
do.
You
want
to
read
us
the
motion
back
just
to
clarify
yes,
motion
strike
296,
paragraph
b
from
the
ordinance
mr
jones
motion
to
strike
mr
mill's
second
and.
A
A
And
this
was
just
a
clarification:
oh
we're
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
that
question
of
the
aggregate
job
value,
that's
300a,
but
going
to
be
it's
I
added
or
for
public
related
uses,
such
as
insurance
for
and
maintenance
of
public
art.
A
Just
clear,
yeah,
okay,
three.
A
Okay
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
include
it
also:
okay,
301
b,
there
was
a
question
about
the
15
000,
but
I
think
that
stands.
A
C
Sheriff,
I
may
oh
sure,
it's
really
a
housekeeping
thing.
Yes,.
A
C
C
Yeah
because
then
you've
got
a
gap
between
zero
and
one.
If
it's
50.
A
B
Protest,
it's
no
longer
relevant
with
the
striking
of
the
other
paragraph.
It
makes
no
sense
it
can't
it.
It
has
to
be
stricken
in
association
with
the
other
one.
A
B
And
similarly
302
d.
A
Okay,
well
again,
I
think
I'm
going
to
make
this
a
motion
a
second
in
a
vote.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
to
delete
section
302.00,
paragraph
c
and
d.
A
Second,
second
megan:
you
want
to
call
the
role
please.
I
have.
A
A
A
Okay,
where
can
we
put
that
in.
A
Okay,
how
about
the
insertion
of
the
word
existing
ownership
of
all
existing
works
of
art.
B
A
A
Okay,
this
will
stand
with
the
with
the
addition
of
the
word
c
d
will
stand
with
the
addition
of
the
word
existing
you're,
putting
that
in
a
what
what
were
you
putting
that
in
302
a
no
c
c
ownership
of
all
existing
works
of
art?
Okay,
so
we're
leaving
it
then?
Okay,
okay,.
C
A
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
leaving
it
at
a
million
a
hundred
thousand.
C
A
C
A
Lucian
paul,
I
have
a
question
on
the
the
appeals
paragraph
just
because
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
the
way
all
of
the
city
departments
and
advisory
committees
work
together.
But
could
you
explain
why
the
appeals
involve
first,
the
board
of
adjustment
and
then
the
planning
and
zoning?
I
noticed.
C
That
too-
and
I
highlighted
it-
yeah
it's
interesting
and
I'm
sure
there
was
good
reason
when
this
originally
was
drafted.
We're
talking
about
section
304,
it's
at
the
very
end
and
the
way
it
reads
is
administration,
administrative
decisions
by
city
staff.
C
If
there's
an
appeal
that
that
would
be
to
the
board
of
adjustment
and
then,
if
there's
any
disagreements
with
an
act
of
the
committee
or
the
art
jury,
then
that
would
be
the
board
of
commissioners
and
I
think
the
reason
it's
written.
That
way
is
because
the
commission
appoints
the
the
art
committee.
So
they
would
be
the
one
to
hear
the
appeal
for
that.
I
don't
quite
know
why
the
board
of
adjustments
would
address
the
city
staff
decisions.
A
Then
that
interpretation,
that
the
appeal
process
does
go
to
the
board
of
adjustments
to
and
that's
throughout
the
entire
land
development
code.
So
I'm
going
to
assume
that
they
were
doing
that.
Consistent
with
I
can
gather
from
your
question
would
be
really
well.
Why
wouldn't
this
board
be
the
interpreter,
and
so
that
that's
a
question.
A
That's
an
interesting
question
and
I
think
it's
a
worth.
I
think
that's
something
that
does
need
that
perhaps
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
I
can
tell
you
the
board
of
adjustments.
World
is
vastly
different
than
the
public
art
world
so
and
what
they're
doing
what
they're
used
to
reviewing
so
flag
that
as
a
question
mark
and
we'll,
I
think
it's
something
at
least
worth
looking
at.
Okay,
that's
probably
a
question
for
mr
trask.
Yes,
you
know
and
or
mark
you
know,
city
manager,
to
clarify.
B
And
I
think
we
should
remedy
that
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
remedy
it.
First
of
all,
we
can
say
that
nothing
that
we
suggest
in
the
ordinance
is
intended
to
take
away
anybody's
rights
under
federal
copyright
law
right
that
that
would
be
an
important
thing
to
say,
but
we
probably
should
have
the
right-
or
you
know,
acquire
the
right
from
the
artist
to
do
certain
things,
such
as
make
postcards
advertising
material
posters,
yada,
yada
yeah.
A
C
A
Of
copyright
I
mean
the
artist
can
choose
to
retain
copyright,
it
can
yeah
the
artist
chooses
to.
C
A
C
C
A
B
Okay,
so
so
the
question
becomes:
should
it
be
a
matter
for
a
negotiation
between
the
artist
and
and
the
city,
or
should
it
be
in
the
ordinance
that
that's
what
we
do.
B
B
A
Yeah
but
grant
did
bring
up
another
interesting
point
which
I
don't
think
was
answered
or
resolved
with
the
disposition
of
existing
art
that
was
obtained
through
public
art.
A
C
I
had
asked
the
question
earlier
on:
if
we're
gonna
dig
into
some
of
these
things
a
little
bit
further
on
289,
I
just
had
a
question
as
to
the
you
know,
the
members
and
the
way
they're
identified,
and
I
question
why
we
have
five
full
members
and
two
alternatives.
I
saw
a
mix
across
the
different
municipalities.
C
C
I
think
the
alternates
are
meant
to
cover
you
in
case
you
don't
have
a
quorum.
So
if
you
increase
the
permanency
of
it,
then
your
quorum
requirement
goes
up.
That's
right!
Well,
we
can't
dictate
what
the
quorum
is,
though
correct.
Well,
it
has
to
be
the
majority,
so
it
would
be
before
necessary.
Necessarily
four.
A
A
While
we're
talking
about
that.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
the
considerable
consideration
of
alternates
as
the
natural
successors
when
we
have
a
vacancy
correct,
I
believe
that's
in
the
purview
of
the
commission
and
I
think
that's
true
of
all
the
committees
right
paul,
that's
correct.
I
gave
it
a
lot
of
thought
so.
A
A
A
B
In
the
in
the
ordinance
in
paragraph
290
number
11.,
it
says
the
public
art
committee
shall
have
the
following
powers
and
duties
11
to
pursue
matching
funds
from
private
and
public
sources.
It
doesn't
obligate
us
to
do
that.
However,
it
does
give
us
the
power
right
to
do
that
right
and
just
as
a
sort
of
question
being
a
newbie
on
the
block.
Have
we
been
doing
that.
A
In
fact,
one
of
the
reasons
that
debbie
hennessey
was
such
a
high
consideration
for
the
committee
was
her
ability
to
get
public
art
grants
in
the
past
when
she
was
working
in
virginia.
A
A
A
The
yeah-
I
don't
know
what
you
want
to
do
with
that.
Graham
I
mean
we.
We
can.
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
it's
desirable.
It's
been,
it's
been
tried,
I'd
like
to
try
some
more.
A
Oh
absolutely,
okay!
Well,
you
know
a
lot
of
these
cities
in
here.
Have
public
art
alliances,
yes,
and
what
they
do
is
they
supply
the
money
to
the
public,
art
committees
right
and
they
get
that
money
from
the
citizens
of
the
community?
Yeah
and
that's
that's
a
very
useful
tool.
Yes,
because
it
enlarges
the
whole
scope
of
what
the
arts.
A
And
that's
limited,
but
you
know
saint
pete,
you
know
in
saint
pete
they
they
can
fund
festivals
and
music
events
and
all
those
sort
of
things
that
that
add
to
it-
and
you
know-
and
I
guess
tarpon
arts
does-
that
in
some
way,
but
that's
a
city
thing.
The
other
thing
is
these
are
this
is
for
a
really
right
that
does
these
things
and
they
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
sway
in
a
in
a
city
and
and
how
things
work,
but
tarpon
doesn't
have
such
a
thing.
Well,
I
think
we
we
that's
something.
A
We
should
probably
look
at,
because
when
we
had
that
you
know
the
interview
with
rob
and
I
from
tampa.
I
believe
they
have
that
mechanism
in
place.
They
have
a
two-person
paid
employees
that
would
be
the
equivalent
of
diane
and
megan
and
they
have
a
501c3
non-profit
that
we
would
possibly
morph
into,
but
it
would
have
to
be
an
outside
non-profit,
yeah.
A
I'm
saying
it's
yeah
it'll
be
freestanding
501c3,
because
one
of
the
roadblocks
that
I
encountered
going
after
some
federal
funds
is
that
they
can't
give
money
to
another
municipality,
it's
easier
to
give
it
to
a
501c3.
Yes,.
A
Some
state
money
through
us
to
do
some
repairs
to
an
old
georgian
mansion
and
the
amount
of
the
grant
was
such
that
it
boosted
our
income
to
a
point
where
we
were
now
subject
to
tax
and
audit.
So
a
lot
of
501
c3s,
you
know
really
have
to
be
committed
to
the
cause
to
you
know
want
to
do
that.
Maybe
we
can
add
that
to
one
of
our
next
meetings
to
maybe
do
some
brainstorming
on
you
know
absolute.
A
Okay,
renee
paul
kevin.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
expertise.
I
hope
we
kept
you
somewhat
involved
and
amused
with
our
agents.
Are
we
gonna
go
through
our
other
notes
on
any.
C
B
B
C
A
Can
you
repeat
that
it's
a
period
after
creation
of
works
of
art
period,
yes
and
then
and
then
a
deletion
of
the
rest
of
that
sentence?
A
A
A
B
It
says
special
landscape
treatment
means
the
highest
application
of
skill
and
aesthetic
principles
to
creating
unique
planted
or
designed
areas
which
may
include
earthworks,
gardens,
paving
and
water
features
not
normally
associated
with
public
facility
landscaping,
and
that's
the
same
as
the
port.
There's
the
bonita
springs
one,
but
spelled
correctly.
B
Yeah,
that's
the
definition
of
special
landscape
treatment
from
the
gainesville
could.
B
On
page
two,
and
so,
and
along
with
that
in
the
paragraph
that
we
were
talking
about
here,
which
is
288
a
4,
the
words
and
artist
designed,
landforms
or
landscape
elements
would
be
replaced
with,
and
special
landscape
treatments.
A
A
A
It's
a
consideration
exactly,
okay,
so
in
other
words,
if
two
similar
projects
are
proposed,
you
know
almost
identical
and
one
is
being
proposed
by
a
tarpon
springs
resident.
They
would
be
just
you
know
it's
like
when
somebody
applies
for
a
civil
service
job
and
they
might
give
a
couple
of
extra
points
for
somebody
who's,
a
veteran
okay,
that's
an
appropriate
analogy.
A
A
A
Just
to
clarify
292c
meetings,
if
any
member
fails
to
attend
three
meetings
within
the
calendar
year
without
cause
and
without
prior
approval
of
the
chairman.
C
C
A
294
v
may
establish
and
may
maintain,
and
this
goes
back.
This
brings
us
back
to
our
registry
bugaboo.
A
B
A
C
A
Does
it
have
some
kind
of
communication
tool
like
their
email
address
or
well?
It
depends
and
when
it
was,
you
know
some
of
them
do
some
of
them.
Don't
you
know,
I
think
like
if
you
guys
have
most
of
you
probably
had
a
little
thumb
drive.
A
B
A
A
A
A
You
know.
Well,
I
think
it's
just
coincidental
that
the
ordinance
provides
for
a
city
employee.
You
know
and
a
you
know,
secretarial
type
assistance
and
it
just
happens
to
be
diane
and
megan.
A
So
I
think
that's
what
that's
the
only
overlap
we
really
have
with
tarpon
arts.
Well,
I
mean
we
do
get
involved
with
the
visual
arts.
You
know
as
well,
but
it's
with
exhibits
and
things
like
that.
So
that
kind
of
qualifies
you
know
as
visual
arts,
but
it's
more
educational
based.
You
know
the
exhibits
than
they
are.
Although
we
work
with
outside
agencies
like
the
public,
art
or
the
tarpon
springs
art
committee,
art
association,
you
know
we
have
their
their
plein
air
and
you
know
a
lot
of
their
their
holiday,
shows
and
different
things.
A
A
Coordination,
yeah
organizational
coordination,
but
what
would
your
artist
registry
be?
Would
it
be
just
preferential
artists,
or
I
mean
there's
so
many
different
arts
agencies
that
have
a
list
of
like
creative
pinellas
and
the
pinellas,
st
pete
art
association
alliance
or
whatever
they
have
a
list
of
agencies,
there's
also
statewide.
A
You
know.
The
way
this
is
phrased
is
that
the
registry
is
our
method
of
keeping
track
of
people
artists,
who
we
would
involve
in
commissions.
A
The
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
really
that
whole
call
for
proposals
and
call
for
artist
process
has
moved
beyond
individual
registries
and
is
out
there
in
the
ether
with
artists
responding
themselves
so
exactly
sort
of
like
trying
to
herd
all
the
goldfish
in
the
ocean
when
they're.
You
know
well,
that's
true
because
like
for
instance,
with
the
black
heritage
project,
you
know
that
call
for
artists
went
out
on
a
cafe.
A
You
know
on
some
other
things,
like
you
know,
some
of
our
smaller
call
for
artists.
You
know
I
might
I'll
send
that
to
creative
pinellas
to
the
saint
pete.
You
know,
arts
alliance.
I
send
that
to
like
to
the
tampa
all
the
different
agencies
and
also
to
some
of
the
state
ones
as
well,
depending
on
what
type
of
medium
you're
looking
for
you
know,
so
you
know
yeah.
If
we've
got,
you
know
like
something
like
the
bike
racks.
You
know,
which
were
you
know,
very
low
dollar
value.
A
I
think
that
was
just
circular
circulated
locally,
but
they
also
have
like
different
associations
like,
for
instance,
for
art
of
health.
When
I
was
looking
for
chalk
artists,
I
reached
out
to
the
chalk
art
association,
you
know
and
they
put
out
a
call
from
their
members
same
thing
when
I
was
looking
into
mosaics.
B
A
Okay-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
is
pretty
clear-cut-
the
very
top
of
page
nine
basis
of
an
approved
fee
schedule.
This
proposal
fee
is
contingent
upon
prior
authorization
by
the
public
art
committee
and
negotiated
prior
to
the
artist
undertaking
the
work
that
pretty
clear.
A
B
A
It
was
rejected
out
of
hand,
295
b
kind
of
struggled
with
that
anybody
have.
A
Some,
I
don't
understand
it
yeah
exactly
you
know,
maybe
the
fact
that
I
maybe
this
this
actually
should
be
deleted.
If
we
delete
that
paragraph
about
the
developer,
art.
C
A
A
A
A
Okay
and
then
art
design-
I
guess
you
know,
with
the
behest
of
paul,
we'll
keep
it
at
a
million.
It's
everybody!
A
B
C
A
A
C
A
A
If
that's
a
make
or
break
for
a
business,
you
know
I
mean
I
understand
that
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
going
on,
but
you
know
I
hate
to
you
know,
drag
up
personal
experiences,
but
I
was
negotiating
to
photograph
a
wedding
at
st
patrick's
cathedral
in
midtown
manhattan
and
the
groom
was
hung
up
on
my
mileage
fee,
and
you
know
I
you
know
they're
spending
like
sixty
thousand
dollars
on
this
wedding.
I
said:
do
you
know
what
comes
to
35
dollars?
A
He
was
just
like
totally
and
that's
what
this
reminds
me
of.
You
know
it's
how
much
money
is
it
really
well,
robert
really
framed
the
question,
and
that
is
we're
talking
to
staff
who
are
working
with
developers
every
day
and
come
from
a
advocacy
position
for
small
businesses
to
a
value
that
this
committee
is
charged
with
with
trying
to
promote
in
the
community
and
that's
a
discussion
worth
having
at
the
boc
meeting.
If
we
have
to
right,
maybe
we
should
be
the
non-fundable
public
art
committee.
A
Being
recorded,
okay,
okay,
so
the
so,
though,
the
the
values
will
go
up
to
a
million
correct
across
the
board
for
consistency,
yeah.
Thank
you
and
one
percent,
and
one
percent.
A
Yeah
you'd
have
to
really
get
up
there
to
get.
Does
that
mean
10.
A
B
You
know
I
don't
you
know
there
are.
There
are
projects
that,
for
instance,
let's
just
take
another
one-
the
proposed
hotel
down
at
the
the
docks
that's
going
to
be
more
than
10
million.
B
B
B
I
think,
oh
no,
sorry,
that
was
a
different
okay
thing.
Where's
the
maximum
right.
A
B
A
Said
remember
that
this
was
right.
Remember
guys
this
was
this
was
done
in
oh
seven,.
A
Think
I
think
lucian
made
a
good
point.
There
is
that
we
need
to
stress
what
we
want
in
this
thing.
C
B
C
A
C
A
A
A
A
B
C
A
C
A
One
of
the
people
that's
been
in
there
for
years,
who
lives
in
my
complex,
just
moved
so
she's
no
longer
in
tarpon
springs
so
that
that
removes
yet
another
person.
A
B
And
the
oh,
let
me
see
I
was
looking
for
the
date
here.
A
B
A
C
A
A
Program
well,
thank
you,
everybody
for
coming
out.
You
know
on
a
date,
that's
not
you
know
your
regular
meeting
and
so
lots
of
good
work
done.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I'll
try
and
megan
and
we'll
try
to
decipher
all
the
things
that
you
added
and
took
out
and
then
put
back
in
again
like
me
to
do
it
and
send
it
to
you.
Will
we
get
a
draft
it
goes
to
wherever
it
is,
and
I
want
to
talk
to
to
them
to
see
when
you
know
they
want
to
set
up
a
meeting.
A
B
A
Probably
I'll
probably
need
to
do
it
on
my
computer
because
you
said
you
weren't
able
to
do.