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B
John,
these
are
these
kind
of
like
elon
musk's
children.
Yes,.
A
A
B
A
I
would
like
to
welcome
robert
stackhouse.
As
of
last
night,
he
was
appointed
to
be
a
full
voting
member
of
the
committee,
and
we
have
two
new
alternates,
nick
toth
and
elainey
biba
christopolous.
Is
that
correct?
Okay
and
bb
is
with
us.
Biba
is
with
us
today
as
an
observer,
because
she
hasn't
been
sworn
in
yet
so
we're
warning
her
as
to
what
she's
getting
into
okay.
So
we've
acknowledged
our
guests.
Has
anybody
have
a
chance
to
read
the
minutes
of
june
8th.
C
A
Okay,
well,
we
have
to
we
have
to
motion
and
approve
first.
B
D
B
A
Okay,
motion
to
accept
is
amended
for
the
typo,
so
move.
Second,
okay,
all
in
favor
hi.
Okay,
all
the
opposed
passes
sports
field,
mural
project
bill.
You
are
at
the
moment
dealing
with
this
solo
as
we
have
lost
your
cohort
david.
C
Sallow,
yes,
everybody
has
a
draft
of
the
potential
call
to
artists,
so
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
questions
I
had
do.
We
just
want
to
do
the
south
face
with
with
soccer
and
the
east
face
with
tennis,
or
do
you
want
to
try
to
do
the
whole
building?
C
You
can
see
the
building
there.
We
also
have
that
small
space
at
the
top
with
the
way
the
architecture
is
with
that
structure.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
keep
it
just
on
the
first
floor
or
whether
we
want
to
do
something
with
that
upper
level.
So
those
were
the
two
questions
that
I
had
before
we
finalized.
B
I
think
you
probably
want
to
leave
that
to
the
artist
as
to
whether
he
wants
to
use
both
the
vertical
faces
there,
because
when
I
was
looking
at
that
thinking
about
that
myself,
I
was
thinking
you
know.
If
I
was
the
artist
I
might
make
the
the
bottom
the
goal
and
the
top
showing
the
ball
going
over
somebody's
hands,
trying
to
catch
it
or
something
silly
something
yeah
yeah,
but
I'm
sure
an
artist
had
come
up
with
something
much
better
than
that.
D
I
agree
and
as
for
the
other
question
I
say,
let's
go
for
all
of
it:
okay,.
A
B
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
the
road
facing
side,
not
simply
a
single
sport,
but
something
encouraging
all
sport.
A
C
A
E
A
I'd
like
to
remind
you
that
the
reason
that
the
fee
is
a
thousand
dollars
is
because
this
allows
the
artist
to
be
considered
a
limited
subcontractor
by
the
city,
who
doesn't
need
liability
insurance
right.
So
that's
why
I
said
it
would
either.
If
you
wanted
to
do
something
more
extensive,
it
would
have
to
be
two
projects.
A
A
E
A
E
E
C
This
is
20
foot
when
you
look
at
the
front
of
the
building,
it's
20
foot
across
an
eight
foot
high
and
then
you've
got
20
foot
up
top
with
about
two
and
a
half
to.
E
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
you
know
like
we
we
did
before
you
could
say
all
right.
Here's
you
know
a
thousand
dollars
to
to
do
this
building
and
the
artists
can
do
what
they
want
with.
They
could
do
the
front
facade,
they
could
do
the
top,
they
could
do
like
two
corners
or
something
like
that
would
be
in
their
proposal.
Wouldn't
it
be
be
open
to
what
could
you
creatively
do
to
this
building.
E
A
We
have
final
approval,
but
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
getting
you
know,
proposals
from
people.
E
A
Artists
would
be
fine,
but
all
I'm
saying
is
that
logistically
to
keep
to
this
provision
by
the
city
I
mean
they
bent
over.
You
know
mark
bent
over
backwards
to
find
this
little
loophole
and
that's
why
it's
capped
at
a
thousand
plus
materials
yeah.
So
that's
fine,
yeah
yeah,
so
because
we're
trying
to
encourage
young,
you
know
young
artists,
so
you
know
we
don't
want
to
saddle
them
with
the
cost.
E
One
other
issue
here
getting
up
to
that
top
spot
right.
It
could
be
a
liability.
A
So
pulling
the
board
again
lucian.
Do
you
have
any.
F
A
C
A
B
A
Okay,
okay,
I
should
know
better.
Okay,.
B
B
F
B
A
Thank
you.
Yes,.
A
Don't
get
your
hand
slapped
anymore,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
any
any
objections:
okay,
unanimous.
Okay!
So
we'll
revise
the
call.
A
F
Tomorrow
morning,
but
I
sent
he
did
a
good
stephen
did
a
good
job
of
you
know,
outlining
the
other
components
of
the
contract.
So
right
it
has
to
still
be
looked
at
and
approved.
You
know
before
we
go
forward
so
yeah
he
can
easily
send
us
an
updated
version.
I
wanted
to
be
sure,
though,
before
we
go
to
call.
C
C
F
G
E
Consultation
of
the
selection.
B
A
A
All
right,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
anything
about
that.
Diane
you'll
be
okay.
To
go
okay,
the
illuminated
art
boxes.
Are
we
ready
to
pull
the
trigger
on
the
next
call
to
artists?
Sure
if
you
want
okay,
everybody?
Okay
with
that,
because
usually
we
start
making
the
selections
in
you
know
either
the
september
the
october
meeting.
F
A
Well,
I
I
I
have
lost
hope
and
never
getting
that
anything
about
that
children's
art.
Have
we
even
gotten
one
submission?
Nothing.
There's
been
no
response.
A
Yeah,
just
to
remind
everybody,
there
was
a
display
of
children's
art
at
the
cultural
center
and
they
were
really.
You
know
very
well
done,
and
I
thought
that
would
be
enough
to
do
at
least
half
the
art
boxes
and
everybody
was
very
enthusiastic
about
it
and
was
going
to
send
the
images
in
and
we
haven't
gotten
one.
So
I
think
we'll
just
move
ahead
with
the
general
call.
F
B
I
mean
they
either
respond
or
they
don't
right,
but
at
least
we
can
say
we
try.
D
A
Remember
we
had
that
rather
elaborate
project
with
them
at
sunset,
beach.
C
F
A
A
So
I
had
made
it
a
project
several
years
ago
when
we
did
the
do
you
remember
when
that
was
or
were
you
not
here,
then
I
think
so.
Okay,
there's
a
smithsonian
an
exhibit
the
way
we
work
and.
A
B
A
You
know
to
the
art
departments
there
that
I
would
be
happy
to
put
out
there
something
if
perfect,
you
wanted
to
make
it
thematic.
If
you
wanted
to,
you
know.
D
A
C
E
E
Of
I
you
know,
I
look,
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
images
do
relate
to
the
sponge
ducks
I
mean
that's
the
thing
I
mean
a
few
of
them,
don't
yeah,
but
it's
hard
to
say
that
a
you
know.
A
bird
flowing
across
the
sunset
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
sponge
dock
yeah.
But
it's
the
way
people
look
at
it
and
you
know
so.
I've
just
heard
that
those
are,
I
don't
know
whether
they're
kind
of
imposed
on
them
or
what
you
know.
A
Well,
you
know,
the
thing
is
that
I
know
that
a
couple
of
people
objected
to
the
appearance
of
the
solar
panels.
Yes,
you
know,
and
that
was
I
think,
one
or
two
people
out
of
the
entire
community.
So
you
know
you're
always
going
to
get
negative
comments,
but
I
I
don't
know
what
to
do.
You
want
to
do
a
greek
thing.
I
what.
D
D
I
don't
know
that,
may
just
be
too
right.
You
may
get
too
much.
You
know
photo
realism,
I
don't
know.
Well,
you
just
got
a
bunch
of
sponges
too
many
boots.
I
don't
know
yeah.
B
Well,
man
sure
have
them
enter
them
in
one
of
two
categories:
working
waterfront
or
you
know
natural
appearance
of
the
values.
For
instance,
you
know
something
like
that:
local.
A
C
A
A
B
A
A
C
A
F
And
I
just
say
when
you
do
that:
please
try
to
make
them
a
little
bit
more
specific
or
write
a
little
description
about
it
because
it
is
open
to
interpretation,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
get
good
quality,
you
know
images.
You
know
that,
might
I'm
not
sure
everybody
will
understand
a
real
broad
statement.
I
don't
know
just
a
suggestion.
F
A
B
A
Well,
you
could
do
a
very
interesting,
geometric,
abstract.
F
Yeah,
who
is
writing
this
call
to
artist?
I
guess.
A
F
I
put
them
in
alphabetical
order,
and
so
once
you
pick
the
name,
I
can
go
back
and
see.
Who
was
the
first
one
to
you
know
suggest
that
name.
We.
E
F
E
A
A
All
right:
well,
let's,
let's
each
pick
a
favorite
lucian,
do
you
have
a
selection
yet
well.
D
I've
asterisked
several,
but
I
would
have
to
say
that
my
favorite
is
toward
the
end.
It's
hara,
which
means
happy,
and
I
don't
know
I.
I
don't
think
that
xa
pa
though
those
are
like
greek
letters,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
anglicize
them.
What's
your
take
on
that
biba
yeah.
A
D
A
A
F
A
C
B
A
E
E
I'm
a
little
partial
to
the
I
can't
pronounce
it
it's
one
of
the
greek
ones.
A
A
E
A
Okay,
so
we
have
five
all
different,
of
course,
so
we've
got
artie
bazuki,
panfilo,
rufus
and
hapa.
B
Not
everyone
who
visits
the
sponge
docs
is
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
change
to
one
of
the
greek
ones.
Okay,
I
hadn't
even
thought
of
that
because
I
was
thinking
you
know.
A
B
I'm
not
yet
okay,
I'm
just
talking
right
now,
okay
and
and
while
hara
is,
is
interesting
and
it
would
have
to
be
spelled
out
in
both
latin
alphabet
and
in
the
greek
alphabet.
In
order
for
people
to
know
what
was
going
on,
panfilo.
B
And
that's
that's
twice
in
as
many
meetings
that
we've
been
reminded
that
we
should
be
more
greek.
A
F
Just
to
mention
that,
if
you
look
at
the
amount
of
times
that
people
put
in
a
particular
name
right,
that
kind
of
gives
you
the
the
community
buy-in
for
a
certain
name
too.
To
consider.
If
you
want
to
yeah.
A
D
A
A
A
C
D
A
E
A
I'm
asking
if
I
could
go
up.
Yes,
there
is
a
large
pelican
named
petros
that
circulates
on
the
docks
of
mykonos.
That
is
very
famous.
So
that's
where
that
came
from
there's.
I
there's
a
lot
of
pete's,
also,
which
is
the
same
name
as
petros.
G
A
There
is
a
community
member
that
you
know
everyone
knows
as
pelican
pete,
so
I
have
a
feeling
that
it's
very
tied
to
the
that's.
You
know
like
that's
the
first
thing
that
I
could
think
of
because
it's
such
a
you
know
a
well
tied
in
thing.
But
yes,
is
there
is
an
actual
pelican
like
a
a
real
pelican?
Oh
okay,
not.
B
It
says
mykonos
petros
the
pelican,
the
pelican
of
mykonos
is
an
integral
part
of
the
island
of
mykonos,
and
rightfully
it
has
become
the
mascot
of
the
island.
You
can
get
a
glimpse
of
the
cute
creature
as
it
strolls
leisurely
in
its
own
horror,
unhurried
pace
through
the
city's
many
alleyways
and
that's
from
what
to
see
on
mykonos.
A
Not
getting
off
the
hook,
lady,
which
one.
A
What
okay.
E
A
D
A
D
Yes,
we
got
a
last-minute
communication
from
a
new
staff
member
who
was
facilities,
management
for
the
city,
and
I
had
asked
three
questions.
First,
is
there
any
kind
of
water
service
available
to
both
the
northern
and
southern.
G
D
C
D
C
D
Like
to
look
like
a
perfect
area,
the
answer
that
came
back
is
that
that
may
be
slated
for
pickleball
or
shuffleboard
or
some
other
kind
of
activity
courts,
and
that
if
we
installed
something
there,
they
may
need
to
be
moved.
So
I'm
punting
until
I
can
meet
with
this
end
of
this
week
early
next
and
at
that
point,
diane
and
I'll,
confer
as
to
whether
we
need
to
go
to
the
city
manager,
because
apparently
that's
where
the
decision
will
be
made
on
these
right.
E
A
D
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
we
want
to
act
on
this
information
now
and
try
to
promote
the
idea
of,
I.
A
A
D
The
other
little
detail
on
the
southern
side,
which
is
sort
of
a
ditch
right,
but
has
great
possibilities
for
earthworks.
All
we
have
to
do.
There
is
preserve
the
drainage
right
capability.
B
A
A
A
A
Tarp,
thank
you.
Megan
you're
welcome.
Tarpon
springs
library,
that's
deferred.
I
still
haven't
heard
anything
from
anybody
over
there
there's
no,
nothing
in
the
hopper
for
a
cra
mural
project,
the
children's
art
I
think
I
mentioned
that's
that
was
under
new
business,
but
it's
really
under
role
business.
A
So
I
think
we
discussed
that
already
and
the
ordinance
edit
review
I've
been
giving
it
a
lot
of
thought
and
I
would
really
like
to
stick
with
the
original
development
benchmark
of
250
staff
has
to
crunch
the
numbers
in
any
event
and
at
one
percent.
I
don't
think
this
will
have
a
significant
impact
on
anybody's
development
budget,
but
I'd
like
to
get
everybody's
thoughts
on
that
was
the
andy
of
any.
I
completely
agree.
Okay.
I
will
completely
agree
graham.
A
Okay,
robert
okay,
I'd
like
oh
lucian,
I'm
sorry,
that's
you!
So
you
I
thought
your
hand
was
going.
No!
Okay.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
to
that
effect?
A
C
A
B
A
C
D
The
conversation
really
is
policy
and
that's
clearly
the
it's
our
responsibility
to
advise
the
board
of
commissioners
from
our
standpoint
on
policy,
and
I
think
whatever
debate
or
conversation
really
needs
to
include
the
ultimate
policy
making
body
which
is
the
the
boc.
A
D
A
Right
and
using
the
fact
that
this
is
going
to
take
extra
staff
time
I
just
after
I
thought
about
it.
I
I
was
kind
of
why
and
I
go
back
to
something
my
late
husband
said
when
everybody
was
running
around
about
the
y2k.
A
You
know
disaster
and
he
just
said
it's
just
another
set
of
numbers
and
he
was
right
and
that's
what
this
is.
It's
just
crunching
another
set
of
numbers.
So
I
don't
see
what
do
well.
A
E
A
Well,
at
the
meeting
last
night,
the
discussion
of
the
hotel,
most
of
it
revolved
around
attracting
people
to
tarpon
springs
and
art
attracts
people
to
tarpon
springs.
You
know
it's
and
that's
why
we've
been
concentrating
on
the
unique
art
you
know
aspect
of
what
we
do
here.
So
I
think
we
put
a
lot
of
time,
effort
and
expertise
in
every
project
we've
undertaken
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
born
fruit,
so
I'd
like
to
you
know,
get
a
little
support
both
from
you
know
the
board
of
commissioners
and
from
the
treasury.
A
So
you
know
and
as
graham
said,
it's
it's
just
integrated
in
the
cost
of
doing
business,
support
of
the
arts
so.
B
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
that.
I'm
rather
hoping
that
this,
these
modifications
don't
just
land
flat
on
somebody's
desk
without
the
pac
having
the
opportunity
to
explain
their
thinking.
Mm-Hmm,
madame
chad,.
C
C
D
A
B
B
New
business
can
we
have
some
corrections
to
the
edited
document.
The
revised
document,
please,
on
page
nine,
at
the
end
of
the
this.
A
B
The
ordinance
yeah
on
page
nine,
the
last
sentence
of
the
red
stuff.
A
B
F
F
A
All
right
now,
moving
on
to
new
business
artist,
registry
and
artwork
registry
diane.
This
is
something
that
you
and
I
actually
talked
about,
and
I
don't
know
the
wisdom
of
having
that
artist
registry
anymore,
not
with
calls
to
artists.
A
I
think
you
have
to
remember
a
lot
of
this.
Original
wording
was
done
in
2007
before
we
had.
You
know
a
lot
of
this
stuff
on
the
internet.
If
you
noticed
the
ordinance
didn't
even
include
the
submission
of
digital
images,
so
I
think
we've
we've
moved
on
past
that
so
lucian.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
maintaining
an
artist
registry.
B
E
E
It's
something
that
yeah,
if
we,
if
we
do,
that
is
that
would
would
that
be
a
service
of
us
towards
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
so
that
or
would
or
is
there
another
organization
you
know
tarpon
arts,
sorry.
F
Well,
there's
lots
of
like,
for
instance,
there's
there's
different
organizations
that
have
like
you
know
the
chalk,
artists
or
the
the
mosaics
and
everything,
so
they
all
have
their
own
kind
of
associations.
F
So
you
know,
if
you're
looking
for
a
specific
media,
then
we
could
just
go
ahead
and
submit
it
to
them,
as
well
as
putting
the
call
to
artists
out
so
that
they
could
go
ahead
and
put
it.
You
know
in
you
know,
through
their
membership,
you
know
to
let
them
know
about
it.
So
that
also
like
you
know
the
creative
pinellas
and
you
know
the
arts
alliance,
and
you
know
st
pete
and
everything
you
know,
I
always
send
them
the
calls
to
artists
too,
and
then
they
kind
of
disseminate
it
to
all
of
their.
F
A
A
You
know
it's
so
anyway,
I'm
going
to
entertain
a
motion
to
eliminate
the
artwork
registry
upon
adoption
of
the
ordinance
artwork
or.
D
A
E
No,
no,
the
motion
that
we
dropped,
the
yeah,
the
artist
registry.
A
A
Okay
is
everyone
in
agreement
with
that?
It's
just
a
time
factor:
okay,
then
that
will
be
tabled
and
will
excuse
me
retain
the
artist
registry.
A
C
F
C
B
For
an
updated
version
of
that,
if
you
recall
you
gave
me
an
addendum
to
it,
which
didn't
contain
all
of
the
information
that
the
that
the
original
spreadsheet
had,
because
I
expressed
myself
badly
and
just
asked
for
a
list
of
things
that
have
been
added
since.
And
so
I'm
curious
as
to
know
whether
the
registry
spreadsheet,
with
all
of
its
can
come,
can
all
of
its
stuff
in
there
like
location
and
and
that
is
actually
kept
up
to
date.
Or
or
or
is
there
an
as
a
sort
of
separate
thing
for.
F
We
kind
of
keep
the
set
the
physical
artwork
and
a
database
separate
from
that.
That
could
be
added
to
it
sure
no
yeah,
I'm.
F
The
other
one
is
so
huge,
yes,
that
you
know,
I
guess
at
some
point
it
should
be
added
to
it.
You
know
kind
of
the
physical
locations.
You
know
kind
of
thing,
but
you
know
that
could
be
integrated
pretty
easily
yeah.
B
F
A
A
A
A
Here
about
that
a
deeper
dive
right,
that's
why
I
think
it's
a
conversation
for
another
day,
but
I
just
kind
of
want
to
plant
it
in
everybody's
heads
that
this
is
probably
something
we
should
be
rummaging
around
up
there,
I'm
going
to
go
out
of
order
here,
I'm
going
to
do
the
elizabeth
indiano's
proposal
and
get
that
out
of
the
way
before
pat
mcneese
comes
back.
A
Yeah,
okay,
I
guess
briefly,
this
is
a
a
proposal
to
do
a
a
film
that
I
guess
could
be
shown
in
the
cultural
center
in
proximity
to
the
mural,
and
it's
based
on
elizabeth's
play
this
blessed
earth
this
plot
and
there's
a
picture
of
the
cast.
She
incorporated
a
lot
of
local
citizens,
including
our
potential
new
member,
joe
who's,
the
helmet
maker,
and
I
think
the
price
is
quite
reasonable
and
I'd
just
like
to
know
everybody
else's
feelings
about
this
lucian.
D
It's
the
gift
that
keeps
on
giving
yes
just
out
of
curiosity.
How
was
the
play
funded.
F
And
then
she
exceeded
that
budget
and
went
out
and
got
sponsorships
for
it.
So,
over
and
above
what
I
paid
her.
D
A
F
F
However,
this
would
be
kind
of
the
artist
talking
about
some
of
the
components
of
you
know
some
of
the
different
elements
of
it
and
why
this
is
part
of
tarpon
springs.
History,
and
you
know
explaining
you,
know
the
mural
the
process,
her
vision-
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
when
chris
still
did
the
house
of
representatives
up
in
tallahassee,
and
he
did
a
video
on
that
and
just
kind
of
explained
each
of
those.
It
would
be
like
her
explaining
the
mural.
F
B
A
A
A
F
I
would
hope
you
know
not
knowing
the
whole
content
of
it
you
know
is,
is
you
know
it's
hard
to
say,
but
we
did
kind
of
discuss
it.
You
know
when
she
was
talking
about
it.
You
know,
because
I
told
her
that
you
know
it'd
be
nice
to
get
like
a
little
bit
of
a
vision,
but
also
to
kind
of
explain
some
of
the
components
you
know
in
the
mural,
but
I
said
you
know
I
told
her.
F
So
it's
like
it's
got
to
be
like
between
20
and
30
minutes
at
the
max,
and
you
know-
and
I
said
it's
got
you
know
she's
talking
about-
maybe
you
know
getting
feedback
from
different
people
that
were
involved
in
us.
That's
not
what
people
want
to
hear
it's!
It's.
Basically,
the
different
history
of
the
tarpon
springs
as
you've
shown
it
on
this
mural
and
staying
really
specific
to
that,
you
know
story
kind
of
thing
and
you
know
keeping
it
condensed
and
then
just
giving
some
of
her
own
perspectives.
A
C
E
This
so
so
I
see
here
that
possible
30
minutes
are
there
places
to
sit.
E
E
E
F
B
It's
going
to
be
there
and
hopefully,
you'll
still
be
able
to
go
to
the
heritage,
museum
and
select
the
the
one
that
stars
christopher
still,
yeah.
F
B
E
E
I
mean
I
have
no
problem
with
the
concept
of
it.
I
think
you
know
people
would
be
interested
in
the
especially.
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
you
could,
since
there's
a
a
guide
there
for
identifying
the
individuals
within
the
mural,
if
there
could
be
ways
in
which
it
could
be
a
more
interactive
kind
of
a
program
rather
than
just
a
standard.
Video
film.
A
C
A
Yeah
I
went
to
the
yeah
I'm
talking
to
the
expert
here
I
went
to
that
sistine
chapel
the
panel
exhibit
and
it
was
a.
A
B
Bill,
I
think
that
the
paragraph
that
starts
with
the
word
focus
really
gives
an
outline
of
what
she
wants
to
do
on
that
second
page
there,
one
of
the
things
that
concerns
me
is
okay,
so
so
let's
say
we
go
ahead
and
you
get
the
the
film
delivered
in
digital
form.
Presumably,
then
you
can
load
it
up
on
the
on
the
the
player
in
the
heritage
museum.
B
F
Me
for
the
cultural
center.
I
want
to
do
one
television
over
there
anyway
to
loop,
our
shows
and
things
so.
B
A
A
I
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
doing
two
shorter
videos,
one
that's
you
know
the
the
development
and
the
actual
painting,
which
I
think
is
interesting
and
then
just
doing
one,
that's
expository
about
the
characters.
D
F
To
come
to
the
august,
okay,.
A
A
A
A
Deferred
to
the
august
meeting,
hopefully
with
some
feedback
and
an
appearance
by
elizabeth
pat
you're
up,
we,
we
moved
an
agenda
item,
so
you've
got
a
clear
field
here.
G
G
A
G
G
G
It's
usually
like
a
20-year
plan,
is
what
we're
looking
at,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
second
round
of
exercises
to
to
kind
of
get
some
structured
input
on
the
plant
and
the
memo
that
I
sent
out
and
that's
on
the
front
of
of
your
packet.
There
talks
about
lists
the
focus
areas
we're
looking
at,
which
are
craft,
your
community
preserve
and
prosper
and
strategic
service.
G
So
the
exercises
kind
of
stem
from
from
those
focus
areas-
probably
two
main
documents
that
we're
looking
at
that
kind
of
guide
this
and
are
providing
a
baseline
for
this
is
the
strategic
plan.
The
city
strategic
plan
has
been
underway,
for
probably
maybe
a
little
more
than
a
year.
Now
that's
really
providing
a
basis
for
this,
and
that's
on
the
second
page
of
your
memo.
G
So
we
have
three
exercises
today
that
our
consultant
kind
of
developed
in
conjunction
with
staff
and
the
idea-
is
this
board
doing
it
in
this
session.
G
If
you
want
to
work
through
the
exercises
today,
or
at
least
look
at,
give
a
look
at
them
and
discuss
them,
you
can
do
that
because
you're
in
the
sunshine,
if
you
want
to
take
them
with
you
and
bring
them
back,
you
can
do
that.
But
you
can't
discuss
amongst
board
members,
as
you
know,
outside
the
meeting
setting.
So
that's
the
idea
of
going
through
these,
so
if
you'd
like,
we
can
touch
on
what
each
exercise
is
and
see,
if
how
you
want
to
do
this.
G
You
know
that
would
just
be
more
of
a
plan
for
policies,
perhaps
city
projects,
city
initiatives,
those
types
of
things
that
would
look
at
the
economics
of
the
city,
jobs,
businesses-
you
know,
training
needs,
workforce
needs,
housing
needs
all
those
kind
of
things
coordinated
with
the
other
elements
that
we
have.
So
if
we
were
to
do
that
and
that
would
probably
take
a
little
bit
of
extra
funding,
our
current
consultant
doesn't
really
have
that
in
their
in
their
scope,
but
we
are
looking
for
grant
funding
for
perhaps
an
economic
element.
G
D
Ms
robinson
question
comment:
following
optional:
elements
are
proposed
for
the
tarpon
springs
plan,
the
first
one
historic
and
cultural
preservation.
G
No-
and
it
could
be
you
know,
it
could
be
called-
doesn't
have
to
be
called
that,
so
these
are
kind
of
draft,
but
yeah
it
could.
It
could
fit
there.
Probably
that's
the
most
appropriate
place,
it
would
fit.
D
G
G
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
I'd
have
to
look,
but
I
think
the
element
that
we
have
now
is
called
historical
resources
element
or
something
like
that.
So
this
what
the
idea
with
this
would
be
to
expand
it
to
yeah
cultural,
whether
it's
yeah
physical
art
events.
G
You
know
initiatives
to,
I
don't
know,
expand
those
types
of
things.
Well,
I.
D
G
Okay,
that's
that's!
That's
a
good
idea.
We
should
probably
come
up
with
as
we
go
along,
come
up
with
a
creative
name
for
that
element,
then
so
all
right.
So
if
you
want
to,
we
can
just
go
through
the
exercises.
G
G
All
right,
so
the
first
exercise
really
is
just
a
survey.
That's
crafted
around
those
three
focus
areas
and
by
the
way
you
need
to
be
sure
to
put
your
name
on
on
each
of
these
exercises
on
the
front.
So
so
we
have
you
know,
so
we
can
kind
of
check
the
box
that
that
each
board
participated
and
we're
doing
this
with
all
the
advisory
boards.
So
some
boards
take
it
with
them
some
boards.
G
Well,
we
had
one
board
heritage,
preservation,
sat
and
just
did
the
whole
thing
like
over.
You
know
an
hour
and
a
half
and
talked
to
each
other.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
wanted
to,
but
if
you
have
questions
now,
I
will
say
it
if
you're
going
through
the
survey-
and
you
have
questions
for
us-
you
know
like
they
asked
them
on
question
three.
G
D
G
And
we
talked
about
that
a
little
bit,
you
know
basically
under
current
building
and
stuff,
it's
it's
really
an
rv,
but
you
know
if
there
were
something
allowed
like
that.
Would
that
be
something
you're
interested
in
things
like
that?
If
you
have
those
sorts
of
questions
and
we're
no
longer
in
session,
and
you
you're
doing
this
on
your
own,
you
can
contact
us.
You
can
give
me
a
call
I'll
be
glad
to
talk
talk
through.
You
know
those
questions
if
you
want
to
do
that,
that's
mostly
what
we
did
at
hpb
was
kind
of
answer.
G
E
E
G
E
That
you
know
so
so
the
the
whole
part
about
art
as
a
business
as
well
as
anything
else.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
get
that
in
because
it
that
doesn't
really
cover?
No,
it
doesn't
cover
a
studio,
a
home
studio,
a
home
art
studio,
which
I
assume
most
people
here,
have
art
studios
in
their
homes.
I
mean.
G
G
Yeah
and
I'm
trying
to
remember
where
okay
so
now
and
that
might
go
to
the
next
exercise,
partly,
but
that
would
be
still
a
home
occupation.
So
I
guess
none
of
these
exactly
cover
that,
but
anything
you're
doing
in
the
home
like
that.
That
takes
up
a
room
or
or
something
like
that.
G
But
it's
not
a
right
now
under
current
code,
it's
not
a
business
where
you
have
people
coming
to
buy
stuff
and
you
have
you're
distributing
stuff
and
you
have
three
or
four
employees
and
you're
working
if
you're
just
doing
it
yourself
and
then
you're
taking
it.
To,
I
don't
know
a
market
or
or
an
event
to
sell
it
or
you're
just
selling
it
online.
G
Those
are
home
occupations
that
are
allowed
right
now
now
so
that
that
would
be
like
a
home
office.
It
would
be
covered
under
that.
We
also
have
live
work
which
is
allowed
under
the
transect
code,
and
that
that
is
also
you're
asked
to
to
comment
on
those
in
in
this
exercise
too.
But
we
have
a
live
work
unit,
which
is
say,
somebody's
doing
something
bigger
like
metal
work
or
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
an
artist
welding
or
something.
G
E
E
G
A
E
In
before
these
enclaves
were
even
processed,
a
neighbor
could
complain
about
him
and
that
person
would
be
forced
to
close
down,
because
there
was
no
ordinance.
That
said,
you
are
allowed
to
do
that.
Yeah
right
specifically
allowed
to
do
that,
and
and
so
we
we
keep
getting.
You
know,
you
know,
I
think
I
think
in
as
this
gets
honed
down.
G
A
Yeah
another
consideration
is,
you
know,
somebody
that
has
a
business,
that's
by
appointment,
you'll,
say
an
accountant
or
somebody.
You
know
of
that
sort
where
you
know,
there's
there's
an
implication
of
a
very
limited
traffic.
G
G
B
On
what
what
robert
was
saying,
I'm
by
now
means
an
artist
as
in
the
sense
of
artists,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
for
fun
is,
I
build
theater
sets,
and
this
involves
using
power
tools
and
and
and
lumber
and
plastic
pipe
and
sometimes
metal
and
other
things.
You
know,
and-
and
I
do
all
this
in
my
my
garage.
E
B
Fortunately,
my
neighbors
are,
you
know
mostly
up
in
illinois
or
new
york,
and
you
know
so
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
them.
But
if
I
lived
somewhere
in
a
you
know,
I
live
in
a
a
low
residential
area
and.
G
G
B
Work
with
materials
she
creates
pieces
of
art
with
material
and
and
she
has
in
her
garage
fabric
yeah,
and
she
has
this
enormous
cutting
table
and
some
sewing
machines
and
and
and
other
you
know,
giant
presses
and
things
like
that,
and
sometimes
she
makes
a
god
awful
amount
of
noise
and
sometimes
she's
very
quiet
about
it.
G
B
G
And
it
might
be
like
defining
what
the
what
the
impacts
are.
You
know
like
we,
you
know
there's
some
obvious
ones
like
the
guy
who
is
you
know,
doing
car
body
work
on
a
special
cars
in
his
garage
banging
painting,
not
just
few
okay.
That's
an
easy
planning
can't
do
that
in
a
residential,
and
then
it's
usually
boils
down
to
smell
noise
and
noise
outside
of
the
you
know,
8
a.m
to
7
00
p.m,
not
really
the
darn
it
yeah.
E
In
st
pete
I
had
a
boat
making
thing
and
I
had
fiberglass
smell
coming
in
all
the
time
right,
but
I
think
the
you
know,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
that
that,
as
a
as
a
committee
as
a
as
a
public
art
committee,
we're
trying
to
just
get
more
of
a
consciousness
of
art
as
part
of
the
inclusion
into
the
way,
tarpon
springs
talks
about
itself.
E
So
so
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
these
issues
don't
come
up
until
they
come
up
and
then
there's
no
solution
or
it's
a
conundrum
or
something
like
that.
But
I
think
we
can
be
ahead
of
the
game
because,
while
we
have
all
this
I
mean
we
have
all
these
ordinances
from
all
over
the
state.
Now
and
there's
a
lot
of
examples
of
how
people
have
dealt
with
this,
mostly
through
experience
in
an
adverse
way.
Yeah
right.
A
I
have
a
neighbor,
that's
obsessed
with
leaf
blowing
yeah.
Well,
I.
E
G
Know:
yeah,
that's
so,
okay!
So
let
let's
take
a
look
at
the
other
exercises
and
then
we
can
see
how
you
wanna
go
through
so
exercise
two.
G
It's
kind
of,
I
think
the
fun
one
it's
got
stickers
so
for
exercise
two.
It's
called
infill
development
types.
Okay!
So
if
you
flip
to
that
first
page
you'll
see
five
context.
Areas
covering
the
city
and
the
city
is
pretty
pretty
well
developed
right
there.
There
is
a
fair
amount
of
vacant
land,
but
a
lot
of
that
land.
A
lot
of
that
is,
is
in
lots
that
are
infill
lots
and
even
downtown's
uptown
at
sponge.net
has
a
lot
of
fair
amount
of
vacant
properties.
Still
it's
it's.
G
You
know
it's
kind
of
surprising
when
people
come
but
out
west
of
the
bayous
there's,
there's
a
fair
number
of
lots
and
properties
that
are
still
vacant.
Although
people
are
you
know,
kind
of
trying
to
come
in
and
buy
up
those
lots,
we
get
calls.
You
know
in
the
last
year
all
the
time
for
lots
that
nobody
wanted
to
deal
with
for
one
reason
or
another.
Yes,
too
skinny
it's
got.
A
G
We
have
a
population
projection
increase
in
the
next
20
years
or
whatever
of
like
5
000
people.
That's
with
bieber
the
university
of
florida
bureau
of
economic
and
business
research
does
population
and
they
look
at
the
past
and
they
project.
Okay,
so
sometimes
they're
over
sometimes
they're
under
pinellas
county.
G
As
you
guys
know,
it
is
pretty
when
you
look
at
the
bieber
line,
it's
pretty
much
flat
because
it's
theoretically
built
out
well,
it's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
redevelopment
going
on
and
there's
some
infill
and
different
ways
that
people
are
trying
to
to
create
more
units.
G
So
we
do
expect
a
population
whether
it's
five
thousand
three
thousand
whatever
it
is.
The
question:
is
you
know
how
do
we
accommodate
it?
Obviously
we
have
proposals
for
for
remaining
vacant
lands
that
are
in
the
city
for
subdivisions.
We've
had
a
couple
in
the
past
couple
of
years.
G
You
know
we
just
had
a
carry
apartments
bill.
Obviously
the
one
up
on
19
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
like
is
is
proposed.
So
there's
this,
you
know
apparently
market
for
units.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
One
of
the
ideas
is
to
look
at
infill
of
different
types
of
residential,
and,
if
you
go
to
that
next
page
you'll
see
the
residential
here
in
neighborhoods.
If,
if
people
were
going
to
infill
and
accommodate
more
units,
how
would
they
do
it?
The
first
one
accessory
dwelling
unit?
G
We
do
have
a
code
that
allows
it
it's
pretty
restrictive.
That
could
be
loosened
a
little
bit
or
changed
for
the
mother-in-law
apartment
or
the
you
know
the
aging
parents
or
whatever.
So
that
would
be
an
example
of
one
and
then
the
rest
of
these
are
other
ones.
If
you,
if
you
were
looking
in
your
neighborhood
and
thought
well
the
paired
villa
it's
like
a
duplex,
but
it's
a
paired
villain.
You
know
that
sort
of
thing.
What
would
I
be?
Okay
with
in
my
neighborhood?
G
That's
what
that's
looking
for
and
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
is
take
those
stickers
that
match
these
pictures
and
take
each
of
the
context
areas
and
don't
worry
too
much
about
exactly
what
street
or
any
event
just
take.
You
know
west
of
the
bayous.
G
What
would
I
want
to
see
over
there
maybe
accessory
dwelling
unit-
and
you
know
a
paired
villa
or
maybe
I'm
okay
with
you
know
a
fourplex
or
something
in
a
couple
spots
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
that's
getting
at
and
then
we
have
commercial
and
mixed
use
in
phil
stickers.
That's
on
the
other
other
side.
Here
we
have
different
categories
than
that.
D
Can
I
interrupt
before
you
leave
residential
being
a
little
contrary
here?
Why
is
it
a
foregone
conclusion
that
we
must
accommodate
greater
density.
G
There
is
a
expectation
that
we
plan
for
more
people,
so
we
have
the
density
right
now
to
accommodate
way
more
than
5
000
people
on
the
books.
Now
the
density
assigned
by
land
use
and
zoning
that's
on
our
future.
Land
use
map
is
more
than
enough
to
accommodate
five
that
remember
5
000
people
is,
I
forget,
the
latest
2.3
something
people
per
household.
So
what
does
that
come
out?
To?
I
don't
know:
3
000
households,
2
800.
G
D
G
Yeah,
I
know
the
current
zoning,
but
but
not
that
every
that's
assigned
to
properties.
So
we
just
ran
one
of
the
board
last
night,
which
you
guys
will
probably
see
at
some
point,
cypress
trails,
that
on
on
paper,
when
you
look
at
their
acreage,
they
got
120
units
of
density
assigned
right.
G
Well,
they
can't
build
120
units
because
of
the
wetland
or
whatever
they're,
building
98
or
so
units.
They
can't
fit
that
so
yeah
just
so
it's
a
sign
doesn't
mean
that
you
can.
You
can
fit
it,
but
yeah
they're
they're,
we,
you
know,
there's
no
foregone
conclusion
that
we
will
raise
density.
Unless
there
are
certain
areas.
People
want
to
raise
density
in
and.
D
G
On
yeah,
but
good
example
like
west
of
the
bayou
most
of
that
is
on
the
future.
Land
use
map
is
something
called
residential
low.
The
density
is
five
units
per
acre.
G
So
if
you
were
to
let
if,
if
some
neighborhoods-
and
there
is
a
a
question
in
the
survey-
whether
whether
you
think
neighborhood
plans
would
be
a
good
idea
for
some
neighborhood,
some
neighborhoods
might
be
fine
with
doing
different
housing
types
and
then
overall
they
would
end
up
being
still
under
five
units
per
acre,
so
you
might
be
able
to
accommodate
in
a
in
a
a
policy
and
then
a
land
development
code.
That's
that's
crafted
to
yeah
control.
G
Yet
let
you
know
those
types
of
units
that
people
would
be
okay
with,
so
it's
just
kind
of
a
exercise
to
see
what
you're
comfortable
with
and
then
how
we
get.
There
is
yeah.
The
devil's
in
the
details.
Type
thing
you
know
is
is
something
we
would
look
at
later,
but
we
don't
want
to
go
through
all
those
details
of
people
really
say.
No,
I
just
maybe
accessory
dwelling
units
and
that's
it
nothing
else
you
might.
We
might
get
that
or
we
might
get.
You
know
something
different.
G
One
thing
we
had
a
lot
of
feedback
on
kind
of
moving
to
the
commercial
is
or
a
lot
of
comments.
Is
this
idea
of
the
neighborhood
commercial
corner
store?
G
What
is
that
you
know,
and
do
we
really
want
a
corner
store
in
our
neighborhood?
We
could
limit
that
and
that's
that's
one
of
your
choices
here,
but
you
know
we
had
different
questions.
Well,
would
it
be
like
a
convenience
store
and
it'd
be
open
all
night
people
would
be
hanging
out
well
yeah,
so
you'd
have
to
address
that
right
or
would
it
just
be?
G
E
G
E
G
Yeah
yeah
that
I
think
what
they
were
getting
at.
There
was
more
more
of
like
a.
G
A
live
work
unit
really
yeah,
so
it
would
be
somebody,
so
it
would
be
more
intense
commercial
than.
G
G
Yep
so
yeah
in
fact
it's
kind
of
kind
of
a
transition
here
and
they
do
have
live
work.
They
can
live
work
there
too.
The
pop-up
commercial,
obviously
is
just
you
know
something
that's
set
up
on
the
sidewalk
that
day
or
something,
and
then
they
transition
to
commercial
with
with
the
living
unit
like
retail
or
whatever,
and
then
a
corner
store
and
then
live
work
is
not
just
retail.
That's
what
you
were
describing
earlier
more
like
the
the
artist
studio
type
thing
and
then
small
urban
footprint
grocery.
G
G
G
G
Use
so
you
guys
are
kind
of
familiar
with
that,
like
oh
dunedin,
has
that
with
nature
isn't
nature
patch
or
whole
foods,
one
of
those
and
apartments
on
top,
something
like
that
and
then
the
conventional
shopping
center,
like
manatee
plaza.
G
So
that's
the
residential
and
commercial,
the
five
areas
just
to
make
sure
we
understand
what
those
are.
B
G
North
of
the
river
three
is
the
downtown
and
I
call
this
kind
of
uptown
old
uptown.
That's
downtown
four
is
the
19
corridor
so
that
that's
kind
of
an
area
itself
that
we
might
want
to
look
at.
We
don't
have
any
kind
of
special
or
or
any
kind
of
guidance
on
just
the
19
corridor.
So
maybe
maybe
we
want
something
and
then
east
of
19,
which
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
feedback
on
the
poor
east
of
19
people.
B
Right
so
in
in
all
of
these
things,
we're
not
including
lodgings
hotels,.
B
Hotels
bnbs
that
kind
of
thing
yeah.
G
B
G
Yeah
and
this
this
one's
really
an
infill
exercise,
so
probably
hotels
would
not
be
in
this
exercise,
but
yeah
bed
and
breakfast
you
mean
actual
bed
and
breakfast.
That
is
something
yeah
we
we
would
appreciate.
Maybe
a
comment
on.
If
you
have
comments
on
that,
we
right
now
the
code
allows
bed
and
breakfast
in
a
historic
contributing
historic
structure
in.
G
D
G
Okay,
short-term
rentals,
that
you
know,
that
is
something
that
we
do
have
regulations
on
the
state
pre-empted.
G
G
You
can
keep
what
you've
got
on
the
books
and
continue
to
regulate
with
that.
But
if
you
change
anything,
your
whole
regulation
goes
away
and
you
have
to
allow
them.
So
we've
never
touched
our
code,
it's
not
a
great
code,
but
if
we
touch
it,
the
whole
thing
goes
away
and
they're
allowed
pretty
much
everywhere.
G
E
C
G
G
G
The
idea
with
this
exercise
is
to
look
at
these
maps,
so
we've
got
a
map
showing
existing
and
planned
proposed
trails,
sidewalks,
bike
trails
and
stuff,
like
that,
the
proposed
is
what's
in
our
comp
plan
now,
the
last
time
this
was
updated
was
20,
I
don't
know
2007
or
maybe
maybe
later
than
that,
but
but
it's
kind
of
old
stuff.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
there's
even
a
canoe
trail
on
there,
but
there's
a
community
trail
that
shown
going
around
the
bayou
up
here.
G
You
know
that
things
like
that
that
aren't
actually
there
but
they're
in
our
comp
plan
now
so
so
that's
that
gives
you
kind
of
an
illustration
of
where
everything
is
now
and
what
the
plan
says
we
should
have.
G
So
that's
what
we're
looking
to
update
and
then
this
next
section
gives
you
some
information
on
the
vision.
Zero,
which
is
you
know,
a
vision
for
no
traffic
fatalities,
especially
viking,
pedestrians,
which
we
do
have
a
lot
of
in
pinellas
county,
we're
a
high
accident
bike,
pedestrian
county
and
complete
streets.
And
this
is
just
a
kind
of
a
heat
map
of
where
the
most.
G
And
then
the
next
one-
and
these
are
some
of
your
boards-
that
just
gives
what's
in
the
plan
now
and
what
some
of
the
current
routes
are-
transit
routes,
jolly
trolley
and
what's
in
the
plan
right
now,
as
far
as
transportation
goes,
so
the
idea
is
to
take
there's
three
sheets
here,
one
for
walking
one
for
biking
and
one
for
transit.
G
Any
area
that
you
think
needs
more
connection.
These
are
really
so.
If
I
think
that
I
need
a
better
connection
to
darpan
springs
middle
school
and
where
it
is,
I
might
stick
a
number
here
and
the
idea
is
to
go
to
the
back
and
write
your
note,
corresponding
with
that
number.
What
it
is
we
need
to
infill
a
sidewalk
here.
We
need
to
fix
one.
We
need
a
bigger
one.
G
We
need
a
bike
lane
or
whatever
like
that,
could
just
be
your
neighborhood
could
be
other
areas
of
the
city
that
you're
familiar
with
or
or
you
might
even
say
you
know-
I
mean
how
do
I
get
up
here
on
the
trail?
Just
put
a
number
and
a
question
mark.
I
really
you
know,
even
if
you
don't
know
specifically
what
it
is
just
the
ideas
that,
as
far
as
the
the
connections
go,
what
you're
looking
to
do
when
you're
out
and
out
in
the
city.
G
So
that's
the
third
exercise,
the
information
boards
that
are
referred
to
in
all
these
exercises
are
here
and
then
the
transportation
ones.
I
just
showed
you
so
those
are
all
labeled
with
information
board.
G
So
those
are
the
exercises
so
yeah.
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
get.
Have
you
fill
these
out.
Put
your
name
on
them.
You
can
drop
them
off
at
city
hall
would
be
great
or
next
time
when's.
Your
next
meeting,
not.
G
A
G
G
A
G
But
we
would
really
appreciate
your
input
because
the
other
thing
not
just
not
just
because
of
the
sunshine
law,
but
you
guys
and
these
other
boards
you're
very
involved
with
city
business.
You
see
people,
you
see
developments,
you
see
projects,
you
know,
and
everyone
has
it.
I
mean
you
got
board
of
adjustment.
G
They
are
just
itching
to
change
their
rear
setback
in
zoning
because
everybody
needs
a
variance
to
you
know
I
mean
everybody
has
a
different
perspective
and
they
see
a
lot
of
citizens
come
before
you.
So
you
get
a
idea.
You
know
of
some
of
the
issues
in
the
city.
So
that's
the
other
reason
that
we
want
to
want
to
get
your
input
and
then
the
next
step
after
this
will
be
we'll
be
coming
back
with
some.
G
G
D
Yeah,
I
remember
seeing
this
online
and
had
questions
those
venues
are
not
necessarily
public
art
but
tarpon
arts
or
the
cultural
division.
Are
they
not?
I
mean
that
that
didn't
seem
quite
right
to
me.
D
F
F
A
D
G
G
G
So
I'll
just
try
to
reword
that
to
because
we
want
to
capture
all
of
it
are.
G
D
I
think
pat
to
be
clear
as
an
organization
chart
the
big
title
instead
of
saying
public
art
should
be
city
department
of
cultural
services,
right
diane,
cultural
and
civic
services,
yeah.
E
G
B
No,
when
I
was
looking
through
this
on
from
the
email
that
I
was
sent,
I
was
you
know
I
obviously
couldn't
print
it,
because
I
don't
have
a
printer
that
does
this
yeah
and
and
it
was
very
difficult
to
to
follow
and
now
I
now
I've
got
this.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier,
but
it's
going
to
take
more
time
than
just
chatting
with
these
folks.
G
B
G
D
G
G
F
A
B
Okay,
I
always
have
one.
You
know
that
it's
actually
more
of
a
question
for
staff
really
does
there
exist.
B
A
what
in
the
accounting
world
we'd
call
a
a
detailed
p
l
for
the
public
art
fund.
Thank.
B
A
A
A
Okay,
I
the
meeting.
Oh,
the
next
meeting
is
on
wednesday
august
10th
2022
at
2
p.m.
Here
in
the
city
hall,
media
room
and
the
meeting
is
adjourned,
it
is
3,
54
p.m.