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A
C
A
D
Sure,
thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I'm
cindy
tarapani.
I
think
I
know
many
of
you
not
all
of
you.
I
represent
the
morgan
group.
That's
going
to
talk
about
agenda
item
number
2a
and
with
me
today
from
the
morgan
group
are
camille
salome,
harvey
gonzalez
and
ginny
bermudez
and
they'll
speak
when
we
get
to
that
part
when
you're
ready
we're.
D
I
told
you
you
were
first
jumping
right
in
great.
Thank
you
so
much
well.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
you
having
us
on
the
agenda
today
and
thank
you
for
to
diane
for
allowing
us
to
come
and
talk
to
you.
We
wanted
to
talk
very
informally
about
a
project
and
I'll.
Let
the
morgan
group
talk
about
that
before
we
get
into
it.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
clearly
this
has
been
a
controversial
project
in
the
city.
We're
not
here
today
and
we
know.
D
E
Afternoon
everybody
camille
salami
development
partner
with
morgan
group
with
me
also
is
harvey
gonzalez
development
assist.
Excuse
me
associate
and
jenny
bermuda's
design
manager
they'll
both
be
working
on
this
project.
Morgan
group,
I
think
I'll
just
give
you
a
quick
background
on
us
in
case
you're
not
familiar
with.
It
started,
building
institutional
apartments
in
the
late
80s,
since
I've
built
about
20
000
units
about
3
billion
worth
of
cost
headquartered
out
of
houston,
but
we
have
a
very
super
regional
office
in
miami.
F
E
Yeah
no
problem:
I
was
trying
to
get
through
the
probably
boring
intros,
so
we
can
get
into
the
meat
of
it
but
I'll
slow
down.
So.
E
So
anyway,
I
was
hoping
that
to
start
you
could
actually
help
me
and
the
rest
of
the
team
by
explaining
the
process
just
a
bit.
I
want
to
get
into
the
project
itself,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
addressing
things
appropriately
and
so,
if
I
may,
and
perhaps
miss
jennings
you're,
the
right
person
to
do
that,
could
you
give
me
an
overview
of
what
the
process
typically
is
like
when
we're
coming
in
for
an
approval.
C
A
E
Understood
and
so
I
think,
one
of
the
first
things
that
would
be
most
important
for
morgan
and
our
team
is
being
able
to
hopefully
get
your
guidance
back
on
a
location
for
the
art,
because
it's
hard
to
start
discussing
artwork
without
first
understanding
where
that
location
might
be,
and
so
that's
the
real
root
of
why
we're
here
today.
But
it
would
be
helpful
to
me
if,
let's
just
say,
we
discuss
the
location
today
and
want
to
come
back
at
a
later
time
to
discuss
more
specifics
about
potential
artwork.
E
A
That's
that's
that's
the
usual
procedure.
Usually
what
we
do
is
we
start
out
by
vetting
the
artist
to
make
sure
that
whatever
work
is
produced
meets
a
certain
criteria,
obviously,
that
the
artist's
work
has
a
track
record
of
being
sold
at
a
certain
value,
or
you
know
so
that
we
know
we're
getting
our
money's
worth
pretty
much.
You
know,
usually
we
we
try
to
you
know.
A
Obviously
we
want
to
get
an
artist
of
some
kind
of
recognized
reputation,
so
you
know,
could
bring
in
prior
work
and
you
know
what
the
artist
is
proposing
and
then
I
think
we
could
discuss
the
location.
Do
you
know
what
media
you're
talking
about.
E
I
actually
first
like
to
focus
on
the
location
and
then
back
into
the
actual
artwork
itself.
I
haven't
identified
a
specific
piece:
let's
say
that
I'm
interested
in
first.
E
It's
going
to
be
exterior,
and
so
what
the
media
is
would
have
to
be
something
that
would
be
durable.
And
but
it's.
A
Sculpture,
yeah.
Okay,
so
do
you
have
any
artists
in
mind
or
do
you
have
any.
E
Nothing,
that's
probably
worth
digging
into
for
this
meeting,
although
I
have
done
my
research
a
bit
I'll
tell
you
just
give
you
some
background
on
morgan
with
every
one
of
our
projects.
We
end
up
having
an
art
budget
for
it,
whether
it's
required
by
the
municipality
or
not.
The
developer
usually
gets
involved
in
helping
select
that
artwork
alongside
we
actually
have
an
art
consultant
that
we've
engaged
for
some
projects
as
well
and
so
a
project
I
did
in
miami
it's
a
high-rise
down
in
midtown
miami.
E
We
had
an
art
budget
of
about
150
000
for
that
project,
and
I
probably
picked
out
half
of
the
pieces
and
of
those
half,
I
would
say,
probably
25
of
those
were
custom,
and
so
a
lot
of
its
commissions
to
you
know
kind
of
fit
the
project
itself,
because
maybe
you
have
a
space
that
you
want
the
artwork
to
kind
of
fit,
and
I
see
this
as
being
something
that's
probably
more
custom.
Oh.
E
Going
to
have
to
work
on
selecting
something
and
it's
so
subjective,
and
so
what
I'm
really
my
my
concern
and
part
of
what
I'm
hoping
to
get
from
you
is
as
we
let's
say,
we
morgan
group
may
find
an
artist
and
a
piece
of
artwork
that
we
really
like
present
it
to
the
committee
and
get
your
feedback
and,
let's
say
the
committee,
is
you
want
it
to
be
black
instead
of
white,
for
example?
A
A
So
you
know
I
don't
think
a
color
will
make
a
big
difference.
It's
more
the
conce
concept,
the
conceptual
idea
of
the
piece
it
would
be
nice
if
it
had
some
kind
of
reflection.
You
know
to
the
community.
A
G
E
E
And
yeah
I
can.
I
can
hold
this
because
it'll
only
be
on
this
one
briefly,.
A
E
E
Just
to
the
immediate
south
is
a
city-owned
parcel
and
then
to
the
north,
we're
constrained
by
the
anclot
river
and
so
on
us
19.
We've
got
two
entrances
on
the
immediate
north
and
south
end
of
the
project.
What
you
should
note
is
in
between
that
there
is
a
duke
easement,
where
you
can't
have
any
structures
placed
in
the
duke
easement,
and
so
that
would
mean
we
cannot
place
artwork
within.
E
We
call
it
the
first
75
feet
of
the
project
and
then
shortly
thereafter,
you've
got
a
roadway,
that's
coming
through
the
back
and
our
clubhouse
at
the
front.
When
residents
enter
they'll
come
in
and
there's
a
circular
drive
at
the
clubhouse
and
then,
as
you,
keep
moving
farther
in
residents
and
resident
guests
that
are
given
access
will
get
through
the
gates
to
go
into
the
back
of
the
project.
E
So
in
the
front
there's
this
roundabout
with
a
large
area
where
we
could
place
a
statue
at
the
front
and
that
statue
will
be
located
this
kind
of
round
about
about
80
feet
away
from
the
roadway.
So
it's
very
close
to
the
public
roadway
there's
a
sidewalk
that
goes
north
and
south
right
past
it
and
so
drivers
by
and
anyone,
walking
or
biking
by
would
be
able
to
see
the
artwork.
If
we're
placed
in
that
location,
I
can't
think
of
a
better
location
for
artwork
on
the
project.
E
And
so
I'm
going
to
pick
up
a
different
piece
of
paper,
because
this
really
focuses
in
on
the
front,
and
so
this
again
we
have
an
easement
that
runs
through
here.
So
you
wouldn't
want
to
have
any
structures
in
that
easement
area
it's
prohibited,
and
so
really
only
other
areas
are
kind
of
down
here
which
are
probably
not
as
grandiose
as
we're
discussing.
E
So
the
best
place
for
an
art
to
be
featured
would
be
here,
alternatively,
could
is
it?
Is
it
technically
possible
perhaps
put
something
along
this
area?
Yes,
would
it
be
for
the
best
of
the
artwork?
You
know
no,
I
think,
and
public
access
as
well
this.
Clearly
you
can
walk
all
around
the
artwork
in
that
roundabout
area.
D
I
can
ask
a
question
too:
we
we
made
an
assumption
and
I
think
maybe
we
want
to
confirm
it.
If
you're
looking
at
the
colored
drawing
here
at
the
very
bottom,
you
see
where
building
one
is
just
immediately
south
of
building
one
there's
two
little
rectangles.
The
first
set
of
rectangles
is
the
key
card.
The
second
set
of
rectangles
is
where
the
gate
is
so
from
that
you
know
like
the
very
edge
of
that
building.
D
One
right
here
going
east
is
key
carded
and
you
have
to
be
a
resident
or
you
have
to
been
let
in
by
a
resident
either
you
come
voting
to
visit
somebody,
you
call
them
they
let
you
in
so
we
were
assuming
that
anything
behind
the
gate
would
not
meet
the
requirement
of
tech
publicly
accessible.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
that's
correct!
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
E
D
I
D
I
mean
the
other,
only
other
option
I
can
think
of,
and
I'm
not
sure
this
would
be
publicly
accessible
is
if
we
did
something
down.
You
know
where
we're
going
to
have
a
boat
dock
area,
but
that's
only
accessible
to
people
if
they
happen
to
be
on
the
water.
So
I'm.
E
Height
so
height
on
that
that'll
be
more
low-lying
at
this
area,
so
duke
actually
plans
to
have
a
power
pole
they're
installing
poles
at
some
point
in
the
future,
along
the
side
of
us19
and
and
duke
may
have
the
option
to
put
a
pole
in
that
location
and
again
with
that
duke
easement,
too,
you
are
required
to
meet
their
landscaping
restrictions
as
well,
so
all
landscaping
has
to
be
low
lying
in
that
area.
I
don't
have
the
exact
width
measurement
of
that
space,
but,
to
my
point
the
duke
easement
covers
that
area.
J
Along
the
same
lines
with
you
know,
the
biggest
issue
I
see
is
the
location.
You
know
that
probably
is
the
only
one
that
kind
of
fits
the
parameters
of
being
public
art
and
that
still
kind
of
asks.
The
question
how
many
people
from
the
public
are
really
going
to
have
access
or
be
in
that
area.
J
So
we've
taken
a
fair
amount
of
of
effort
in
you
know:
gising
our
inventory
of
public
art
and
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
corridors
are
where
people
are
going
to
get
the
most
from
the
public
art
that
we
install
and
we've
actually
said
no
to
some
nice
projects
because
access
wasn't
going
to
be
available
to
the
general
public.
So
that
would
be
my
only
concern.
So
I
understand
why
you're
interested
in
location,
location,
location,
so,
okay,.
K
K
K
E
Have
any
plumbing
going
to
that
area
for
a
water
feature,
but
I'll
tell
you
generally
why
we
don't?
I
think
water
features,
look
beautiful.
The
issue
is
with
time.
Water
features
always
tend
to
degrade
with
time,
and
so
we
try
to
build
something
like
we're
going
to
own
it
forever,
and
so
we
wanted
to
stand
the
test
of
time
in
the
interest
of
this
being
beautiful
for
many
years
to
come.
I
would
advise
against
the
water
feature
at
the
front,
but.
K
E
Agreed,
I
completely
agree
on
that
point
and
I'm
glad
you
like
the
location.
I
also
just
having
been
in
the
area
for
most
of
my
life.
You
don't
see
a
lot
of
artwork
on
us19,
and
so
I
felt
like
this
would
be
neat
for
also
just
passer
buyers
that
are
just
driving
by
it's
part
of
our
front
door.
Your
front
door.
F
Do
you
have
any
yes
first
question
is
is
not
as
specific
about
this,
but
is
public
art.
The
only
art
features
you're
planning
in
this
project.
That's.
E
A
great
question
the
answer
to
that's:
no,
so
we
will
plan
art
in
the
interior
of
the
clubhouse.
We
may
also
include
some
art
by
the
pool
area.
We
typically
do
something
like
that
as
well
and
we'll
include
art
in
the
model
units
when
we're
showcasing
potential
units
for
someone
to
rent.
F
Okay,
so
this
leads
to
my
second
comment
about
this:
is
that
looking
at
at
this
footprint,
I
see
where
that
traffic
circle
is
really
in
in
the
only
place
where
a
piece
of
public
art
could
probably
work.
I
it's
unfortunate
that,
given
the
nature
of
this
site
that
it's
a
natural
low
lands,
it's
a
water
land,
all
that
kind
of
thing.
Yet
the
everything
that
that
you
sort
of
mentioned
has
nothing
to
do
with.
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
environmental
aspect
of
this
property
or
the
anclote
river.
F
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
a
good
place
for
you
to
look
at
that's
not
something
that
you'd
come
to
us
about.
But
how
do
you
deal
with
the
water
feature
in
in
this
thing?
How
do
artists
deal
with
it?
There's
tons
of
them
there's
hundreds
of
them.
That
would
be
be
really
excited
about
working,
something
with
this
other
than
making
a
sort
of
statue,
the
the
site
that
you
have.
F
What
I'm
saying
is
it's
surrounded
by
asphalt
and
cars
and,
if
you
put
it
there,
it's
it's
been
brought
up
that
it's
not
going
to
be
totally
visible,
you're
driving
by
you're
not
going
to
see
it.
F
It
would
be
a
a
point
of
reference,
but
you
have
to
get
up
above
the
trees
and
the
buildings
for
it
to
work,
or
it's
just
going
to
look
like
a
sign
out
in
front
of
a
liquor
store.
I
mean,
and
unfortunately
that's
what
what
the
what
the
aesthetic
environment
of
route
19
is
nobody's.
Nobody
sees
any
art
because
nobody's
looking
for
it,
they're
all
looking
for
a
sign
to
go
somewhere
and
this
this
is
going
to
function
as
a
sign,
but
it's
also
functioning
as
public
art.
F
So
I
you
know,
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
one
of
my
things
is
that
there's
a
total
budget
on
this
whole
project
and
then
there's
a
budget
for
the
public
art
and
I
think
the
for
it
to
become
something
that
would
be
unique
to
this
area.
To
this
project
really
call
attention
to
it
would
be
to
increase
that
budget.
You
get
it.
You
get
more
artists
that
will
be
interested
in
150
000
dollars.
You
say
it
could
cost
half
that
to
build
a
foundation.
F
So
you
know
the
the
what
you're
gonna
get
is
not
gonna
be
very
public.
Unless
somebody
turns
around
in
that
thing
and
then
you're
going
to
see,
I
mean
you're
going
to
see
a
piece
of
sculpture
with
cars
behind
it,
no
matter
which
way
you
look
at
it.
The
only
way
you're
going
to
really
pursue
that
as
a
as
a
as
a
landmark
statement
for
this,
this
incredible
piece
of
property
and
what
you're
going
to
do
with
it
is
to
make
that
sculpture
a
statement
it
has
to
go
up
high
to
make
that
statement.
C
E
And
so
I
haven't
discussed
budget,
I
haven't
discussed
height,
I'm
just
asking
about
location,
we'll
of
course
need
to
dig
into
specifics
on
height
and
budget
at
a
later
date.
I
know
that
the
requirement
from
the
land
development
code
is
a
certain
budget
that
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
just
going
to
spend
that
amount.
I've
already
expressed
that
we
actually
spend
that
or
more
on
our
own
volition
on
other
projects,
and
so
I
think
what
I'd
like
feedback
on
today
is
just
the
location.
I
can
dig
into
specifics.
F
E
It
will
be
beautiful,
we'll
make
it
beautiful,
and
I
can
I
can
promise
you
I'm
passionate.
I
do
art
my
on
my
own
on
the
weekends
just
for
fun.
We
have
picked
this
location
and
thought
about
it
throughout
the
entire
planning
process,
because
we
knew
we
were
constrained
on
space.
We
could
have
not
have
had
that
roundabout
and
just
left
it
blank
and
paid
into
the
budget
of
whatever
it
was
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
didn't
want
to
do
that
because
we
want
it
to
be
beautiful,
as
people
come
by
us
19..
E
H
So,
thank
you,
robert
for
reading
my
mind
and
to
my
point
I
do
not
see
that
I
will
be
able
to
enjoy
it
as
I'm
passing
by
because
I
don't
live
here,
but
if
that
would
be
the
site
that
would
be
selected,
it
would
have
to
be
extremely
unique.
It
would
have
to
be
a
beacon
that
would
call
to
say
hey
you
want
to
go
over.
You
want
to
drive
over.
You
want
to
see
that
piece
that
they
put
it's
absolutely
fabulous.
It
has
to
have.
H
I
I
A
Is
that
maybe
I
can
rephrase
it?
We
were
it's
on
the
agenda.
Actually,
it's
it's
really
a
topic
of
discussion.
Someone
from
australia
sent
us
a
proposal
with
sculptures
of
indeed
internationally
endangered
species,
and
we
thought
that
we
would
create,
like
almost
like
a
park
of
sculptures
of
florida
endangered
species.
Is
this
making
more
sense,
so
it
would
be
limited,
sculpture,
panthers.
C
I
A
D
Ladies
first,
no
well,
I
guess
I
I
know-
maybe
morgan
may
have
an
opinion
about
it
too,
but
I
guess
we
understood
the
way
the
ordinance
worked
was
that
either
we
did
it
on
site
or
the
money
gets
contributed.
Then
y'all
could
purchase
those
pieces
and,
or
you
know,
or
whichever
pieces
that
the
public
art
committee
wants
to
purchase.
I
mean
it
goes
into
your
fund
right
and
you.
I
know
you
have
a
budget
and
you
you
know
I've
seen
the
work
that
you've.
I
mean
I've
seen
many
of
the
pieces
that
you've
you've
done.
D
D
The
project's
been
approved,
and
so
we're
not
really
here
to
talk
about
the
projects-
that's
obviously
not
the
purview
of
this
board
and
I'm
sure
you
all
are
interested
in
getting
into
all
the
development
projects,
because
they're
pretty
they're
complex,
they're,
totally
different
from
what
your
authority
is.
We
really
just
want
to
talk
about
the
public
art
for
this
project.
I
mean
we
do
have
approval
from
the
city
commission
on
the
development
process,
we're
going
through
the
permitting
process.
So
you
know
we're.
D
Just
as
part
of
this
is
just
the
natural
next
step
is
to
there's
a
variety
of
other
things,
we're
doing
as
part
of
the
permitting
process.
This
is
one
of
them
and
we
are
trying
to
see
if
we
can
do
an
art
on
site
or
not,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is:
I
I'm
sure
you
all
all
know
pretty
well
the
prod
the
public
art
project
at
ikearia,
which
is
set
back
substantially
further
than
this
project
would
be.
D
I
didn't
measure
it,
but
I'm
guessing
it's
1000
feet
off
the
road
off
alternate
19
and
it's
going
to
have
buildings
in
front
of
it.
We'll
have
no
buildings
in
front
of
this
location,
so
there's
a
clear
view
down
to
it
and
again
folks
that
come
to
the
property
to
visit
it's
it's
all
I
mean,
in
my
opinion,
it's
publicly
accessible.
So
the
fact
that
it
happens
to
be
a
busy
road
so
is
alternate
19.
D
L
Just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
we
need
to
stick
to
the
agenda,
yes,
and
what
the
purpose
of
the
burger
group
coming
today
is,
and
they
were
they're
kind
enough
to
show
us
their
site
where
they're
proposing
for
the
public
art
and
that's
what
the
focus
of
this
purpose
is.
So,
let's
just
stick
to
that,
and
we
appreciate
them
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
look
at
where
the
public
art
would
be
and
what
it's
going
to
be,
and
the
media
and
everything
is
basically
if
they
decide
to
do
the
public
art
themselves.
L
E
With
all
that
said,
and
the
clarifications
which
thank
you
miss
wood,
I
will
say
I'll
go
back
to
that
project
in
miami
that
we
worked
on.
Half
of
the
artists
were
local
artists.
Some
art
is
public
art.
Some
was
not
public
art,
but
it's
all
in
areas
where
public
can
easily
have
access
access
to
and
we
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
community.
So
I
want
to
learn
more
about
what
your
preferences
are,
because
you're
going
to
give
me
a
lot
of
feedback
about
what
the
local
customs
and
norms
are.
E
E
K
Community,
you
know
so
I
think,
that's
kind
of
what
my
point
was
to
you
got
a
sculpture
that
goes
with
sculptures
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
in
tarpon.
So
it
brings
us
all
together,
like
we're
all
one
big
community,
and
it's
not.
You
have
a
sculpture,
that's
not
running
with
ours.
You
know
what
I
mean
kind
of
bring
us
all
into
the.
E
H
I
think
I
would
also
I
know
your
space
is
limited.
I
understand
that
I
truly
do
and
but
along
those
same
lines,
I
truly
would
like
to
see
something
along
the
marina
for
the
boaters
that
do
come
through
because
the
boaters
do
come
through.
It's
not
an
arena.
D
Oh,
it's
not
a
marina,
it's
not
a
publicly
accessible
arena,
it's
boat
docks
solely
for
the
residents
and
it
will
not
be
it's
not
for
all
the
units
it'll
be
very
limited
because
of
the
location
on
the
river.
Well,
thank
you
for
the.
E
E
That
kind
of
tell
you
what
you
have
to
do,
so
I'm
not
even
sure
that
I
could
put
something
out
there,
even
if
we
wanted
to,
and
so
it's
like,
as
we
start
evaluating
things
they're
going
to
be
like
the
duke
easement,
for
example,
there
will
be
other
restrictions
that
kind
of
we
run
into
so
know
that
we
have
the
desire
to
make
it
beautiful
know
that
we're
going
to
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
integrates
ourselves
into
the
community
quite
well,
and
you
know,
I
hope
that
we
can.
D
I'm
not
sure
I
guess
I
kind
of
like
to
get
some
kind
of
a
consensus
of
whether
or
not
that
location
generally
speaking
is
acceptable.
I
understand
the
concerns
about
height
and
making
it
monumental
and
all
the
other
concerns
about
reflecting
local
culture,
but
for
us
to
proceed
further.
We
kind
of
like
a
consensus
as
to
whether
that
location,
we're
proposing
is
acceptable
to
this
committee.
G
F
A
D
Well,
we
understand
yeah
and
I
appreciate
it,
you
understand
the
site
is
limited
and
obviously
you
have
to
have
security
so,
but
we
did
from
as
camille
said
from
the
very
beginning
of
the
design
we
always
anticipated
and
hoped
that
that
would
be
an
acceptable
location
and
kept
that
space
for
it.
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
information
and
in
your
opinions
and
we'll
take
it
all
in
consideration
as
we
move
forward
in
the
next
steps.
Great.
E
H
A
A
Oh,
thank
you.
Excuse
me,
I
just
my
parliamentarian
here
in
an
effort
to
accommodate
our
guests.
I'm
overlooked
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
I'll.
A
Film,
yes,
okay,
are
there
any
amendments,
corrections.
A
Okay,
so
all
in
favor
aye,
minister
approved,
is
submitted.
Thank
you.
Go
ahead,
bob
I'm
sorry
hi
hi.
M
Good
afternoon,
I'm
bob
robertson,
I'm
the
project
administration
department,
director
and
if
you
don't
know
what
that
means,
it's
basically
the
de
facto
engineering
department
for
the
city.
We
manage
something
on
the
order
of
40
projects
plus
or
minus,
as
projects
get
completed
and
new
ones
get
added
to
our
list.
That's
me
and
a
giant
team
of
two
other
people,
so
there's
three
of
us
that
are
managing
most
of
the
projects,
not
all
the
projects
that
the
city
does,
but
a
big
majority
of
them.
M
M
We've
hired
a
consultant
they've
come
up
with
some
alternatives
that
we're
going
to
be
vetting
not
only
with
the
public,
but
with
the
sustainability
committee
that
we're
presenting
to
them
the
first
concepts-
and
I
think
it's
next
week
and
then
I'm
gonna
be
going
to
the
board
of
commissioners
in
march
and
giving
them
an
update
on
what
the
schedule
is
so
coming
up
with
alternatives
with
the
idea
of
narrowing
it
down
to
one
alternative
that
we
can
apply
for
grant
funding
to
come
up
with
a
long-term
solution.
There.
G
M
G
And
if
so,
there's
a
condition
in
our
ordinance
that
mean
that
stipulates
that
a
certain
percentage
be
set
aside
for
public
art,
but
the
ordinance
a
little
bit
confusing.
It
talks
about
eligible
projects
being
buildings,
of
course,
greenways,
etc,
etc.
And
then
it
excludes
projects
that
are
drainage,
maintenance,
blah
blah
blah.
G
Title
that
project
so
that
we
can
build
some
public
art
into
the
design
of
it,
because
I
think
we've
all
expressed
at
one
time
or
another,
most
recently,
robert
at
the
comprehensive
planning
workshop
we'd
like
art,
to
be
incorporated
into
projects
not
plunked
on
top
of
them
or
as
an
afterthought.
So
if
there's.
M
M
That's
going
to
be
up
to
the
final
decision
most
likely
not,
there
may
be
a
combination
of
berms
and
we
call
them
they're
called
t
walls
but
they're,
basically,
sea
walls
that
are
above
ground.
There's
gonna
be
a
combination
of
those
and
if
you
do
that,
you
can't
do
a
walkway,
because
otherwise
you're
gonna
have
people
balancing
on
you.
Do
a
balance
beam
across
this
t-wall
thing.
M
J
J
Initial
stages,
so
that
we
can
yeah
it's
a
lot
of
hard
engineering
and
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
to
soften
it
and
make
it
more.
You
know
artistic
and
that's
limited
that
you
can
do.
I
understand
the
limitations,
but
any
opportunities
that
we
would
have.
I
think
that's
what
this
group's
looking
for.
I
understand.
M
A
So
we're
telepathic
again
today,
yeah.
A
M
F
Yes,
I
think
what
lucy
and
brought
up,
and
what
john
was
talking
about
and
bill-
was
that
it's
really
good
for
us
to
know
about
these
kind
of
projects
and,
if
they're,
on
teetering
on
the
edge
of
being
just
a
works
project
or
something
that
that
does
involve
the
public
in
some
way
we're
we're
constantly
looking
for
for
art
projects.
F
But
we,
you
know,
instead
of
just
looking
for
a
statue
placed
here
or
a
mural
placed
on
that
wall,
we're
looking
for
innovative
and
projects
that
that
challenge
both
both
us,
the
the
community
and
the
artist-
and
there
are
many
artists
out
there.
If
you
follow.
F
If
you
look
at
coda
and
other
kinds
of
things
online
for
public
art
projects,
you
see
a
lot
of
people
are
dealing
with
this
kind
of
an
issue.
It's
not
necessarily
where
you
would
expect
art
to
be,
but
quite
often
the
artist
can
solve
those
kinds
of
problems
or
contribute
to
a
solution
to
you
have
a
raised
walkway.
But
you
can't,
I
mean
a
raised
seawall,
but
you
can't
make
a
walkway
there.
F
An
artist
could
maybe
see
that
because
they're
not
seeing
a
sea
wall,
all
the
time,
they're
seeing
it
as
a
place
to
to
react
to
to
make
it
engaging
for
people
to
work
with
right
and
over
time.
I
think
public
art
has
done
that
because
we
talk
about.
You
know
we
got
to
decorate
dumpsters
and
we
got
you
know
this
whole
concept
40
years
ago.
Probably
wasn't
wasn't
anything
or
you
know
even
murals,
you
know
which
are
all
over
the
sides
of
buildings,
sure
so
yeah.
F
H
H
L
Did
you
all
want
to
ask
bob
about
the
water
feature
project
that
you
were
talking
about?
Luciana?
Is
that
the
questions
that
you
asked
him
at
the
beginning
or.
L
Something
like
that,
the
one
that
I
had
seen
online
was
it
was
kind
of
like
it
was
more
like
a
a
pole,
so
to
speak,
where
they
had
done
this
flock
of
birds
that
was
kind
of
flying
over
the
water.
It
wasn't
actually
in
the
water,
I
don't
think,
or
it
might
have
been
on
the
sea
wall
and
it
kind
of
came
out
of
there,
but
it
gave
the
appearance
of
you
know
a
flock
of
seagulls
or
something
you
know
flying
over
the
water-
and
I
was
just
thinking
spring
bayou
is
so
beautiful.
L
You
know
kind
of
thing,
but
I
don't
know
about.
Then
we
talked
about
some
sort
of
environmental
kind
of
aspect
of
it
that
could
actually
help
the
water.
You
know
recycling.
It
is
such
a.
J
L
L
F
An
environmental
thing,
though
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
looking
for
for
that
kind
of
a
thing.
I
think
that
this
is
your
time
to
really
pursue
that,
and
you
get
county
and
state,
maybe
working
with
this
with
a
city.
M
I
don't
know
I
mean
there's
there's
it
depends
on
what
you're
proposing
if
it's
something
that's
floating
that
can
be
removed,
then
you
know
maybe
there's
some
leeway.
If
you're
talking
about
something
like
this
bird
sculpture
thing
that's
mounted
on
the
shoreline,
then
it
wouldn't
need
it
to
be.
You
wouldn't
need
to
involve
any
of
the
state
lands
or
sovereign
submerged
land
leases
or
any
that
kind
of
thing,
so
it
something
that
definitely
gonna.
It
would
take
some
research
yeah.
L
M
That
is
state
in
that
area.
Yeah,
okay
and
then
you'd
have,
if
you're
doing
anything
on
the
shorelines,
it's
an
army
corps
permit
and
it
can
be
tricky.
M
My
own
experience
with
army
corps
permits
is
well.
Let's
just
say:
I've
lost
all
my
hair
because
of
army.
H
Yes,
ma'am
so
to
be
able
to
go
in
to
the
bayou
literally
into
the
bayou
and
place
something
an
object
that
would
create
aeration
and
thereby
increasing
the
grass
that
would
be
in
there
making
it
more
hospitable.
For
the
manatees
I
mean.
Is
that
something
that
is
possible,
that
that.
M
Well,
yes,
ruth.
M
M
Oxygen
is
not
a
problem;
it's
not
impaired
for
d.o,
so
adding
a
fountain
that
would
increase.
It
is
not
something
that
could
sell
it.
Nice
idea,
but
we
always
look
for
those
angles
right,
those
win-win
angles,
so
it
unless
there's
any
other
questions.
I
did
have
one
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
to
this.
M
So
a
short
story
back
in,
I
think
it
was
september.
M
M
North
excuse
me
southbound
on
safford
south
of
tarpon
avenue,
and
the
idea
was
to
just
to
mark
historic
tarpon
springs
and
they
wanted
a
sign
that
said
that
so
we
put
together
a
sketch,
we
put
it
out
to
bid
and
no
one
bid
on
it.
So
we
went
to
the
board
of
commissioners
and
said:
okay
board.
What
do
you
want
us
to
do
and
what
they
said
was
well
we'd
like
you
to
come
back
to
us
with
some
ideas
on
how
to
use
the
existing
railroad
arm
and
what
they
were
talking
about.
C
M
So
the
they,
what
they
asked
us
to
do
was
to
come
back
with
some
ideas
for
attaching
something
to
this
anti
artifact
historic
semaphore
arm.
C
M
Before
I
even
did
anything
like
that,
I
would
want
to
do
an
evaluation
or
condition
of
this
thing,
and
I've
spoken
with
some
folks
who
who
did
evaluate
like
ten
years
ago
and
the
cost
was
something
like
eight
ten
thousand
dollars
just
to
renovate
it
so
that
it
could
be
or
restore
it,
so
that
it
could
withhold
something.
And
then
I
don't
know
if
we
can
safely
attach
anything
to
this,
but
I
I
told
we
told
the
board
that
we
would
look
into
it
and
I
thought
well
since
I'm
here.
M
M
If
you
like
that
idea,
if
you
have
some
other
idea,
if
you
thought
this
sign
was
okay
too,
I
would
just
love
to
hear
what
you
have
to
think.
I
have
to
say.
H
M
A
M
F
A
thing
to
do
is
yeah
can
work
if
we
can't
think
of
how
we
would
approach
this
thing,
I'm
quite
sure
there
are
people
out
in
the
country
that
would,
if
there,
if
this
were
given
as
a
target
project
for
us
to
try
to
find
out
what
could
happen.
To
this
I
mean
this
is
something
that
could
be
presented
as
here's
a
site.
F
Here's
a
concept
to
work
around
who's
who's
got
ideas
on
this
and
for
a
certain
budget
you,
you
know
it's
just
a
call
for
artists
can
solve
that,
can
not
solve
it,
but
deal
with
that
as
an
issue.
Okay,
that's
an
idea!
I
think
that's
the
thing
if,
if
this,
this
is
where
public
works
and
public
art
really
get
close
together,
you
know
it's.
A
A
And
you
know
it's,
you
know
you
know
I
mean
I.
I
appreciate
robert's
comments
about
going
to
artists,
but
to
me
this
is
more,
you
know,
graphic
or
utilitarian
than
artistic
right.
F
F
F
You
know
what
you
know
a
lot
of
people
that
deal
with
antiquity
and
art
nouveau
and
all
those
kind
of
things
that
you
know
they
can
do
that
and
come
up
with
a
way
to
you
know,
create
an
umbrella
on
it
or
you
know
something
to
create
shade,
or
that
is
very
creative
and
the
thing
about
creative.
Is
it's
not
been
thought
of
before
so.
M
Yes,
not
with
a
sign
on
it
that
I've.
M
C
F
H
H
C
H
But
I'm
just
saying
I'm
just
saying
it's
not
obvious
to
people
that
they
were
going
to
be
bicycles
crossing
where
that
they
may
be
even
yellow
flashing
signs
lights.
But
I
do
know
that
when
I
go
down
alt
19,
it's
very
obvious
when
you
get
to
those
sites
it's
in
palm
harbor,
but
when
you
get
to
those
sites
that
there
will
be
pedestrians
crossing
or
bicycles.
A
M
C
A
Could
email
us
some
of
those
old
photographs
that
might
be
helpful,
sure.
J
Project
don't
spring
by
you.
It
is
that
I
mean
is
that
is
there
going
to
be
any
kind
of
public
forum
for
that,
or
is
that
just
going
to
the
board
of
commissioners?
There
will
be
definitely
as
far
as
opportunities,
because
you
are
going
to
have
some
permits
and
things
are
going
to
have
to
be
army
corps
of
engineer.
I
mean
that's
a
perfect
time
for
us
to.
M
Do
yeah
thanks
dan
for
the
prompt
there
all
you
have.
L
M
Do
is,
if
you
do,
a
google
search
for
tarpon
springs
projects,
tarpon
springs
projects.
The
first
thing
that
comes
up
is
a
link
to
the
to
our
to
our
project
administration
page
and
then
the
first
link
on
that
page
is
the
latest
spreadsheet
of
all
of
the
city's
projects.
We
update
it
every
week,
so
you
can
look
in
and
see
what
project
you're
interested
in
and
what
the
latest
news
is.
A
Okay,
I,
as
a
courtesy
to
craig
I'm
gonna,
just
switch
these
two
next
agenda
items
around
the
illuminated
art
boxes,
the
qr
codes.
I
think
there
was
some
concern.
David
was
good
enough
to
create
a
qr
code
for
the
art
boxes
and
there
was
some
concern
about
risk
of
scamming
and
craig
is
a
professional
cyber
security
person.
So
he
has
given
us
of
his
time
and
expertise
to
talk
to
us
about
the
qr
codes.
N
Well,
I
didn't
bring
a
presentation
because
I
didn't
feel
one
was
necessary.
I'm
sure
david
showed
you
what
a
qr
code
looks
like.
Yes,
the
good
news
is
from
your
end
of
the
qr
code,
you're
safe.
As
long
as
whatever
website
that
that
points
to.
I
know
it's
supposed
to
add
additional
information
for
both
the
artists
and
the
artwork
and
stuff
right.
N
That's
you
know,
standard
protected
by
the
firewall
and
is
is
hosted
correctly.
Then
you
should
be
okay.
Your
biggest
risk
on
this
is
going
to
be
the
fact
that
you're
sticking
qr
codes
on
polls
that
have
to
be,
I
don't
know
whatever
determined
height
it
is
for
people
to
to
scan
with
their
cameras.
That
means
you're
going
to
be
subject
to
defacement
right
now.
Defacement
comes
in
several
ways,
but
the
most
likely
ones
you're
going
to
see
are
kids
crawling
on
them,
because
this
six-year-old
thinks
it's.
N
N
Those
are
your
only
two
two
real
risks
that
you're
looking
at.
So
you
just
need
to
keep
in
mind
that,
yes,
you
can
put
these
up,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
who
attends
the
light
boxes
or
how
often
they're
looked
at
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
these
stickers
are
going
to
have
to
be
looked
at
and
I
would
suggest
initially
looked
at
pretty
regularly
just
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
defaced
and
that
they're
not
covered
over.
K
So
is
there
any
way
to
put
it
like
over
the
art?
Almost
like
a
watermark,
you.
N
Know
I
thought
about
that,
but
then
I
was
thinking
that
you
know
you're
talking
about
a
camera
and
you're
talking
about
a
light
box.
That's
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
feet
above
the
pavement.
It
is
that's
too
far
away
to
scan
okay,
so
that
was
my
first
thought.
I
thought
oh
yeah.
This
is
great.
We
can
impregnate
it
into
the
corner.
This
is
good
and
then
I
went
if
our
tourists
are
like
need
steps
to
get
up
to
it.
It's
kind
of
not
kind
of
going
to
obviate
the
point.
N
N
So
it's
a
little
stick
out
thing
might
be
actually
a
little
more
obvious
to
the
tourists
that
you
know
look
at
this
sort
of
thing
or,
for
you
know,
for
more
information,
whatever
whatever
sort
of
verbage
you
want
to
put
on
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
who
controls
the
ability
to
do
that.
I'm
sure
you
went
through
that
just
hanging
the
art
boxes
on
the
on
the
leg
post,
but
that
might
be
another
way
to
look
at
it.
N
K
N
K
N
The
hole
is
full
of
stuff.
No,
you
run
that
risk.
Like
I
said,
the
the
biggest
thing
the
biggest
risks
you're
going
to
have
are
defacement
the
worst
one
is
I'm
going
to
go
over
and
I'm
going
to
put
a
qr
code
that
looks
like
your
qr
code
over
your
qr
code
and
directions
to
a
site
was
the
thing
with
qr
codes,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
background
of
qr
codes
very
well,
but
you're
familiar
with
the
barcode.
Well,
a
barcode
has
limited
information.
N
So,
even
if
it's
scanned
right
to
left,
they
still
invert
it
and
read
it
left
to
right
the
thing
with
the
qr
code
is,
it
can
be
read,
left
to
right
and
top
to
bottom,
so
it
contains
4
000,
discernible,
characters
that
you
can
put
in
a
qr
code.
Now
these
things
could
do
all
sorts
of
things.
They
can
be
simple
and
just
direct
you
towards
a
website.
They
can
download
an
app
on
your
phone.
They
can.
They
can
do
a
bunch
of
things
because
you're
willingly
saying
scan
this.
I
mean
most
phones.
N
These
days
or
a
lot
of
people's
phones
hopefully
have
have
something
on
their
phone.
That
will
say
no.
You
should
be
doing
this
or
whatever,
after,
if
it's
downloading
an
application
or
whatever,
but
it
is
possible.
The
worst
thing
is
it's
very
simple:
instead
of
directing
it
to
your
website,
it
directs
it
to
my
website.
My
website
says:
oh,
you
want
to
hear
more
about
this
artist
click
here
and
you
click
there
and
it
downslow
it
downloads.
You
know
malicious
information
or
malware
of
some
sort.
N
N
A
N
A
Many
years
ago
I
was
working
on
a
project
called
museum
in
the
streets
and
it
was
a
series
of
placards
that
were
placed
around
the
municipality.
Saying
you
know
at
this
point.
You
know:
diane
wood,
you
know
decided
that
she
was
going
to.
You
know,
put
on
a
play
whatever,
but
it
was
some
kind
of,
and
this
technology
goes
back
easily
15
years
it
was
a
certain
kind
of
vinyl
where
the
image
was
actually
embedded
in
the
vinyl,
and
it
was
basically
defacement
proof.
N
L
There
is
some
technology
that
I've
been
looking
into
for
the
museums
and
the
art
and
the
museums
that
might
work.
I
don't
know
if,
but
it's
an
app
that
it's
kind
of
like
there's
a
little
dot,
that's
placed
either
you
know
behind
the
art
or
or
whatever,
and
it
out
of
the
app
automatically
picks
it
up
and
gives
you
information
about
what
it
wherever
that
is,
and
I'm
trying
to
look
into
whether
or
not
we
could
put
it
on
each
of
the
frames
and
if
it'll
do
the
same
thing.
C
L
N
N
H
C
N
N
Well,
I'm
glad
to
come
back
and
you
know
rediscuss
anything
that
you
come
up
with
well.
N
You
know
I
do
a
lot
of
weird
searching.
I'm
on
the
staff
like
it's
bro,
that's
it
can.
I
am
I
allowed
to
make
an
aside
comment
here
sure,
on
a
subject
that
I
know
nothing
about.
If
you're
looking
for
a
public
art
project
for
spring
bayou,
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
alter
the
waterway
by
the
way,
there's
a
movement
underfoot
to
as
we're
dredging
all
the
cuts
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
spring
bayou
actually
has
or
did
have
a
spring
in
it.
I
remember
this
spring.
N
It
doesn't
really
function
that
well
anymore,
so
it's
there's
a
good
likelihood
that
they
might
look
at
dredging
spring
bayou
out
a
little
bit
as
you
can
see
when
the
kids
were
diving
they're
up
to
here
now
right
they
used
to
be
over
their
heads.
So
it's
it's
silted
up
as
most
of
the
rest
ones.
My
suggestion
one
thing
might
be
to
look
at.
I
have
no
idea
what
the
cost
and
stuff
like
that,
but
we
own
and
control
the
walkway
around
spring
bayou.
N
N
N
Does
it
have
the
same
effect
as
aerating
this
by
your
water
because
you'd
be
pulling
water
out
and
putting
it
back
in
yes,
so
it
does
that
effect
it
just
I'm
not
sure
what
it
would
cost
to
be
able
to
do.
That
might
be
as
simple
as
just
piping
around
the
under
lip
of
the
of
the
sea
wall
itself.
You
certainly
wouldn't
you
know,
may
not
have
to
dig
into
it.
N
N
There's
water
parks
and
stuff
like
that
to
do
all
sorts
of
crazy
things
with
water
these
days,
but
that
would
just
sort
of
maybe
keep
you
away
from
the
actual.
N
I
don't
know
what
I
had
to
go
through
lately,
but
the
city's
in
control
of
the
waterways,
by
the
way
that
the
prime,
the
prime
people
involved,
that's
in
our
code,
is
involved
with
the
bayous
and
the
river
that
that
goes
through
tarpon
springs,
however,
pinellas
county
controls
anything
that's
built
over
the
water
in
conjunction
with
the
wildlife
fund,
the
d.o.t
doesn't
really
get
involved
anymore
or
the
state
department
they
just
kind
of
pushed
it
all
the
way
down
to
the
county.
N
N
A
J
A
A
K
Yeah
would
any
of
the
small
shops
down
there
be
interested.
Maybe
if
we
put
a
small
little
one
of
those
like
sticky
plastic
things
that
says
the
tarpon
arts
with
a
qr
code
that
sticks
on
the
inside
of
the
glass
so
that
people
can
scan
from
the
outside.
K
C
K
A
F
F
And
and
then
the
the
code
right
there
and
you
you'd
have
an
interaction
between
the
stores
and
you
don't
need
all
of
them.
I
mean
you
get
four
or
four
stores,
maybe
up
and
down,
and
then
they
would.
People
would
see
that
because
a
lot
of
people
just
don't
do
that
unless
the
pelican
flies
over
or
something.
A
Okay,
I'll
approach
the
merchants
association
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
buy-in
for
that.
Okay
project
updates
the
black
heritage
project.
I
collated
all
of
the
comments
from
the
selection
panel
and
got
down
to
four
projects.
They
were
all
kind
of
neck
and
neck.
A
I
spoke
to
diane
and
I
sent
the
four
an
email
asking
them
if
they
were
amenable
to
making
changes
to
their
artwork
to
meet
the
comments
and
criticisms
of
the
selection
panel
that
primarily
dealt
about
historical
and
cultural
accuracy
and
also
to
confirm
that
they'll
be
able
to
deliver
the
artworks
in
line
with
the
budgeted
amount.
A
A
So
it's
it's
moving
along
and
then
once
we
get
some
of
the
once
we
get
the
the
revised
four
projects
back,
it'll
come
to
us
and
then
we'll
take
a
final
look
at
it.
Any
questions
about
about
this.
A
You
know,
like
you,
know,
some
of
the
like,
for
instance,
one
of
them
had
you
know
it
was
almost
like
a
under-seat
type
thing
with
the
sponge
hookers.
You
know
in
the
boat
on
top,
and
there
were
a
few
comments
that
they
wanted.
The
figures
larger
you
know
to
emphasize
the
you
know
the
cultural
aspect
of
it.
So
that's
what
the
process.
F
A
Right
yeah,
the
thing
is
that
the
selection
panel
was
really
kind
of
a
mixed
bag.
You
know,
I
mean
lynn,
whitelaw
and
theresa.
Wilkins
were
former
directors
of
the
leipa
ratner
rod,
davis
from
spc
nicolette
henderson
replaced
dudley
sally,
who
unfortunately
passed
away
she's
a
history
teacher.
A
We
had
two
members
of
the
black
community,
annie,
dabz
and
reverend
smith,
so
we
had
you
know
a
pretty
good
cross-section
of
people
that
were
all
giving
us
different
perspectives
on
on
on
what
they
wanted
to
say.
Is
the
end
result?
So
you
know
it's.
A
You
know
it's
turned
into
quite
a
you
know,
big
thing,
because
it
is
incorporating
all
of
these
different.
You
know
facets
into
you
know,
finished
artwork,
so
I'm
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
you
know
what
we're
going
to
end
up
with,
but
it
is
everything's
moving
along
speaking
of
which
the
niads
repair.
C
G
A
Yeah
my
son
lives
in
a
suburb
of
columbus
ohio
and
is
part
of
their
public
park.
They
have
it's
almost
like
a
shallow
bowl
and
they
have
different
kinds
of
artistic
sculptures
that
are
basically
water.
Spouts,
and
you
know
it's
functions
as
a
cooling
station.
Something
like
that
might
be.
One
thing
to
look
at
you
know
can
be
done
quite
artistically,
but
it's
accomplishing
pretty
much.
You
know
what
you're
saying
bill.
Do
you
have
any.
C
J
Opportunities
because
there's
got
to
be
some
storm
water
runoff
that
we
could
I've
seen
some
unique
things
done
with
that
as
well.
G
I
I
Were
you
thinking
along
the
trail
where
people
be
walking
and
biking
or
just
all
around
them.
F
Right,
I
thought
the
that
saffron
road
is
city.
It's
the.
A
C
F
Stations,
the
bikers
would
love
it
yeah
bicycle
people
would
love
it,
yeah,
yeah,
mist
and
then
a
fan
that
blows
it
right
in,
but
it
you
know
that
the
thing
that
concerns
me
about
about
water
features
are
the
our
hard
water
in
florida
is
so
difficult
on
on
the
fine
plumbing
of
fountains,
and
I
I've
seen
so
many
public
art
buttons
that
aren't
working
and
they
down.
I
remember
saying:
pete:
they
had
a
whole
wall
that
was
fascinating.
It
was
just
a
whole
wall
of
things.
F
They
really
missed
the
bus
because
there
was
technology
where
that
wall
of
water,
which
was
maybe
30
feet
high
by
about
40
50
feet
wide,
should
have
been
the
entrance
to
the
building
and
they
they
could
have
it
just
so
that
there's
all
these
kind
of
photoelectric
cells
or
whatever
it
is.
You
just
walk
right
through
the
water
and
it
separates
and
stops
back
in,
but
that
was
never
operating
right.
It
was
always
off,
it
was
always
being
fixed,
and
I
remember.
F
F
Now
the
water
department
here
would
would
maybe
maybe
like
that
challenge,
but
it
really
just
builds
up
and
and
clogs
things
up,
but
so
I
don't
know
you
know
the
maybe
the
plumbing
in
in
the
aeration
fountains
in
in
in
that
you
see
all
over
town
is
a
different
kind
of
thing,
but
that's
just
a
you
know
a
big
thing
of
water.
You
know.
F
C
K
K
K
Craig
park
to
me
doesn't
seem
like
it's.
I
haven't
been
down
there
that
much,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
used
to
its
full
potential.
So
maybe
in
comp
and
plus
the
parking
is
kind
of
shoddy.
I
F
Pete
has
a
has
a
big
water
featured
park.
You
know
it's
just
basically
a
splash
pad
for
kids,
but
there's
two
concession
stands
surrounding
it
and
one
of
them's
for
adults
and
another
one
is
for
the
kitties
and
it's
very,
very
popular.
F
H
Right
yeah,
so
the
european
misters
are
something
that
I
thoroughly
enjoyed
each
time
I've
gone
to
europe
in
the
summer
overhead
misters,
just
hitting
you
with
cool,
just
not
wetting
you,
but
just
such
a
cool
mess
that
it's
it
is
refreshing.
I
love
that
idea.
This
is
florida
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
fabulous
thing.
F
H
D
C
H
H
G
B
I
can
give
you
a
full
breakdown
at
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
we
did
have
the
large
purchase
from
mike
elwell
recently,
so
we
did
take
several
thousands
of
dollar
hit
right,
but
other
than
that
it
hasn't
changed
too
much
since,
since
the
last
time
we
spoke
right,
the
black
heritage.
F
Yeah
yeah
is
our
budget
sort
of
built
around
the
the
fact
that
we're
kind
of
reactive
to
situations
whether
it's
somebody
builds
a
building,
we
get
a
percentage
of
it
some.
F
You
know
we
have
a
budget,
that's
sort
of
annual
and
we
react
to
that
or
or
do
we
have
a
component
of
our
committee
to
do
proactive
kinds
of
thoughts
where
to
say
could
we,
as
as
a
our
arts
council,
have
some
kind
of
impact
on
or
influence
on
making
safford
a
main
drive
down
to
the
docks,
a
main
connector
between
the
docks
and
in
target
I
mean
in
the
future
in
the
near
future?
Does
that
work.
A
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
review
the
ordinance,
but
right
now
it's
basically
set
up
to
use
contributions
from
developers,
projects
yeah.
F
J
and
I'm
not
picking
on
them
for
any
reason
for
that
particular
project,
because
if
there's
a
car
wash
that's
being
done
now
that
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
sort
of
a
a
commitment
of
some
dollars
to
it
as
we
move
forward,
do
we
want
to
place
things
along
19
like
that
in
in
their
businesses?
Or
do
we
want
that
money
to
go
towards
some
of
these
other
projects
and
some
of
the
things
where
we've
identified?
J
C
C
J
I
Well,
no,
it's
really
interesting
because
bill.
I
was
having
exactly
the
same
thought
when
you,
when
you
expressed
it-
and
I
was
going
to
ask
the
question:
if
the
developer
has
a
choice
I
mean,
can
he
say
we
want
to
put
this
piece
of
sculpture
here
I
mean
this
is
what
we
choose
to
do,
or
can
we
say
we
would
rather
have
the
money,
because
it
seems
to
me
like
the
money
that
they
would
be
putting
into
that
where
nobody
can
see
it
would
be
better
used
for
another
project
like
we
were
just
discussing.
L
Choice,
their
choice
completely
and
it's
basically
all
the
public
art
committee
can
do
if
the
developer
decides
that
they
want
to
do
the
art
project
by
themselves
and-
and
you
know,
take
that
on.
The
only
thing
that
the
committee
is
tasked
to
do
is
to
approve
the
artist
and
the
concept
for
it.
But
right.
L
Exactly
but
we
can't
dictate
to
them
really.
Basically,
that
was
kind
of
a
courtesy
to
the
public
art
committee
that
they
were
showing
us
this
in
advance.
Basically,
so
you
know
if
they
choose
to
use
their
money
to
put
in
their
own
art
project
that
not
just
them
or
any
developer,
that's
where
they
come
to
you
for
approval
of
the
artists
that
they
chose
and
the
media
and
what
it's
going
to
look.
A
I
See
why
not?
I
think
we
should,
because
a
look
at
ikaria,
for
instance,
I
mean
they
brought,
they
brought
up
bacteria,
but
they
were
correct
in
that
the
the
sculpture
is
not
really
able
to
be
seen
from
I
mean
you,
don't
really
see
it
when
you're
traveling
down
pinellas.
You
don't
really
see
that
well,.
A
Oh
yes,
yeah,
because
it's
next
to
winn-dixie.
G
It,
but
you
know
it's
interesting
the
scale
the
scale
of
the
sculpture
was
a
surprise
to
me
when
it
went
up
in
reference
to
the
actual
buildings.
We
had
beautiful
designs
and
schematics,
but
we
didn't
have
any
reference
point
to
the
height
of
the
buildings,
and
so
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
far
more
monumental,
so
scale
is.
H
C
C
A
L
A
Know
it
has
to
go
sure,
obviously
before
the
board
of
commissioners,
but
I
I
think
I
think
one
good
place
to
start
is
for
everybody
to
revisit
the
ordinance
and
make
some
notes
on
it
as
to
what
we
see
as
loopholes
or
flaws.
A
Like
this,
you
know
the
positioning
of
the
art
and
you
know
maybe
look
into
ordinances
from
nearby
municipalities
to
see
whether
the
same.
G
L
L
It's
premature
well.
F
C
F
F
Plan
meetings
so
that
you
can
voice
your
opinion
so
so
raising
an
awareness
and
and
the
communication
work
that
goes
on
with
things
is
for
for
just
us
to
hear
it,
and
then
we
make
it
to
somebody
else,
and
maybe
that
hits
on
a
couple
years.
Maybe
it
doesn't
we're,
we're
could
be
in
a
position
of
raising
awareness
of
the
status
of
tarkin
springs
and
and
have
a
major
impact
through
through
the
visual
art.
We
are
a
visual
city.
People
come
here
because
it's
a
special
it's
a
special
place.
F
So
for
our
art
to
be
special,
we
need
different
thought
processes
coming
from
the
city,
so
work
projects,
big
investment
projects
should
be
well
what
we
need
to
get
this
to
the
art
committee
right
away
before
anything
happens,
so
that
we
can
be
proactive
in
in
this
instead
of
saying:
oh,
we
got
a
spot
over
here
on
the
corner.
A
Well,
that's
something
that
I
think
we
have
to
look
at.
I
think
we
have
to
you,
know
individually,
revisit
the
ordinance
and
the
master
plan,
and
you
know,
with
an
eye
to
you,
know,
making
appropriate
changes
to
it.
You
know
recommend
changes
and
you
know
see
that
it
is
incorporated
into
the
into
the
you
know
comprehensive
and
strategic
plans.
You're.
L
A
A
good
idea:
okay,
let's
try
to
move
this
along
a
little
bit.
Oh
business
e,
the
endangered
animal
project.
C
G
Think
we
have
other
priorities
that
are
more
meaningful
and
that's
just
my
personal
opinion
bill.
C
J
To
just
go
and
create
a
an
endangered
species,
probably
not
right.
K
C
F
I
actually
happen
to
like
the
idea
of
a
big
full-scale
manatee
down
in
so
people
could
go
up
and
touch
it
and
have
their
photograph
in
front
of
it.
But
it'd
have
to
be
really
well
done,
and
I
could
see
that
just
you
know,
but
not
these
people,
I
mean
they.
They
do
this
yeah.
A
No,
I
think
we
ruled
out
the
the
australian
artist
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
I
think
you
know
the
shipping
costs
alone
would
probably
be
a
quake
to
the
price
of
my
house,
but
anyway,
debbie.
Do
you
have
anything.
H
I
did
look
into
it
and
the
gentleman
that
I
found
down
in
the
keys-
and
it's
I'm
just
gonna-
say
estate
sales.
There
is
no
regulatory.
There
is
no
way
of
verifying
that
it's
original
art
there
is
no
way
of
verifying
any
of
those
things.
So.
C
A
Roberts
rules-
I
know
okay,
new
business
well,
diane
just
mentioned
this.
The
date
for
the
public
art
workshop,
which
she
very
nicely
arranged
with
robin
franklin,
nye
arts
and
cultural
affairs
city
of
tampa-
is
march
31st
at
10
a.m
via
zoom.
So
we
will
have
another
pac
meeting
prior
to
the
to
the
the
zoo
meeting.
A
I'll
see
if
we
can
do
that
kind
of
have
a
mixed
thing.
Okay,
all
right:
the
dennison
dennis
anderson,
blue
heron
sculpture,
opportunity
from
mike
elwell
the
feasibility
for
insta
look.
Is
there
feasibility
for
installation
in
craig
park?
That's
something
there's
a
picture
of
it
in
your
handouts.
I
believe
there
was
another
image
of
it
that
was
in
the
yeah.
H
L
L
L
L
We
would
have
to
create
a
pedestal
that
he
was
recommending
at
least
two
feet
high,
and
he
suggested
I
mean
he
he's
full
of
ideas.
He
was
just
saying
that
you
know
it'd
be
really
neat
to
put
like
a
seating
area
around
it.
You
know
as
part
of
the
pedestal,
so
that-
and
you
know,
as
that
would
be
beautiful
in
craig
park,
where
there's
all
those
trees,
canopies.
A
I
L
F
C
G
I
am
neutral.
Okay,.
A
J
I
think
it's
really
a
nice
piece.
My
concern
is
again
with
the
funding
I
I
I
know
we've
got
some
really
serious
projects
here.
C
J
J
We
need
to
be
real
careful
because
this
isn't
just
17
000
until
we
get
the
area
done
around
it
and
the
base
for
it,
I
mean
we're-
probably
talking
more
25
000
to
get
that
done
until
you
get
a
base
and
you
get
the
landscaping
done.
That
needs
to
support
it
and
probably
some
lighting.
I
would
imagine.
C
L
He
mentioned
that
he
thought
that
we
were
so
nice.
You
know
in
working
with
him
with
the
pelican
and
everything
that
he
wanted
to
offer
it
to
tarpon
springs
first
before
he
put
it
out
to
auction.
So
in
other
words,
this
is
not
going
to
be.
L
L
J
Idea
I
mean
it's
very
attractive
and
yeah.
Can
I
envision
it
someplace
in
craig
park?
I
think
it
would
be
very
pretty,
but
I
I'm
just
digging
my
heels
in
a
little
bit
with
you
know,
being
sure.
What's
your
leader
for
with
with
the
funding
issue.
I
K
F
C
F
And
I
think
we
we
need
to
just
plan
these
things
out
a
little
bit
more,
I
mean
we,
you
know
we
get
these
people
inviting
themselves.
You
know
for.
C
F
Buy
some
of
their
art,
you
know,
and
so
I'm
I'm
I
I
like
the
idea
of
either
tabling
it
or
just
saying
no,
it's
a
nice
piece,
but
if
we
had
a
garden
filler
filled
with
bronze
sculptures
of
animals,
I
mean
if
and
we
had
the
budget
it
would
fit
right,
but
I
think
right
now
it's
just
a
piece
that
is
diverting
us
from
maybe
a
greater
a
greater
purpose.
G
A
A
All
opposed
okay
motion
fails.
Okay,
did
you
get
that
marissa's?
Okay,
all
right,
moving
right
along
here,
okay,
item
c
is
going
to
be
a
rolling
item
on
the
agenda.
A
I
asked
diane
to
include
it
in
order
to
allow
us
to
deal
with
any
submissions
we
get
for
a
cra,
mural
product,
a
project
just
to
expedite
the
process.
So,
okay,
I
just
want
to
bring
up
something.
I
don't
know
whether
any
of
you
were
aware
of
the
cra
meeting.
Last
night
after
the
regular
board
of
commissioners
meeting,
there
was
an
agenda
item
that
involved
a
placement
of
four
production
statues.
A
Yeah,
these
were
the
ones
that
were
proposed
by
commissioner
carr
and
they
were
discussed
at
length.
We
were
given
a
big
print
out
of
a
a
bunch
of
production
sculptures
and
we
sent
excuse
me.
We
sent
an
email
to
the
board
of
commissioners
saying
that,
because
they
were
production
pieces
that
the
the
public
art
committee
did
not
endorse
their
purchase
or
placement
okay,
but
they
were
purchased
through
cra
funds
for
location
in
a
cra
agency.
A
I
wrote
an
email
to
the
board
of
commissioners
on
monday,
saying
that
it
may
constitute
a
violation
of
290,
section
6
of
the
ordinance
that
gives
the
public
art
committee
basically
authority
to
locate
all
public
art
in
the
city.
It
came
up,
unfortunately,
wonderful
tom
function
and
his
staff
put
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
creating
a
big
presentation
on
locations
for
all
of
these
four
sculptures,
but
they
took
a
vote
and
they
decided
that
it's
going
to
come
back
to
us
so
it'll
be
on
the
march
agenda.
A
A
A
Okay,
my
personal
opinion-
and
I
suggest
that
you
know
you
look
at
the
backup
from
the
meeting
last
night
and
but
my
personal
take
on
this-
is
that
they
all
be
installed
at
or
around
the
dog
park.
A
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
heads
up
that
that
will
be
on
the
march
march
agenda.
C
A
But
I
think
I
think
this
was
an
important
decision,
because
I
think
it
gave
us
some
control
over
some
of
these.
These
art
projects.
You
know
that
I
think,
is
sorely
needed.
L
L
You
know
at
that
particular
meeting.
I
know
it's
far
in
advance.
You
know
it's
way
down
the
road.
You
know
march
31st,
but
it
it's
a
good
opportunity.
You
know
to
see
what
they're
doing,
how
they're
doing
it.
You
know
how
they
address
water
features,
how
they,
you
know,
get
around
city
county,
different
things.
L
L
G
A
Oh,
if
you
had
the
announcement
there,
the
wreaths
about
the
newsletter.
L
Oh,
oh
yes,
well,
and
I
think
I
sent
it
to
you
all.
That
was
the
public
art
newsletter,
the
state
one
and
we
had
three
entries
in
there.
So
that
was
really
nice
yeah
and
we.
A
Got
a
very
nice
write-up
by
creative
pinellas
also.
L
And
yeah
and
elizabeth
indiana's
play
that
she
just
recently
did
about
the
the
mural
and
everything
we
got
a
lot
of
press
on
that.
So
a
lot
of
people
saw
it.
You
know
in
the
time
so
and
the
beacon
yeah.
It
was
good.
A
Yes,
we
have
the
owl
herself
with
us
in
the
in
the
meeting.
Okay,
all
right
now,
I
don't
want
you
all
to
jump
on
this
one,
but
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
Okay
meeting
is
adjourned
at
3
49.
The
next
regular
meeting
is
wednesday
march
9th
at
2pm.
Thank
you
all
very
much.