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Yes,
all
right
well
welcome
to
the
sustainability
committee
city
of
tarpon
springs
this
wednesday
august
11th
6
pm,
like
we
get
a
call
to
order
a
roll
call
please
rather.
C
B
C
All
right,
so
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
a
presentation
by
tommy,
kyger
and
ashley
tobin
on
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
update.
Take
it.
B
A
Also,
a
professional
engineer
in
the
state
of
florida
he's
got
great
expertise
with
all
things:
technical
and
we're
really
glad
to
have
him
helping
us
out
with
this
model,
he's
been
working
with
ashley
great
teamwork.
To
put
this
together,
they've
updated
it
for
you.
So
that's
what
this
presentation
is
is
an
update.
I
Thank
you
very
much
paul
for
the
introduction.
As
paul
mentioned,
I'm
tommy
kaiger,
I'm
a
engineer
by
training.
I'm
actually
an
environmental
engineer
from
way
back
in
the
day
and
I'm
currently,
the
wastewater
division
manager
here
at
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
in
my
other
free
time.
I've
also
been
involved
in
the
american
society
of
civil
engineers
and
I'm
on
the
awa
national
water
loss
committee,
so
focusing
on
water
loss
issues
and
sustainability
for
small
and
municipal
governments
on
water
utilities,
and
you
were
formerly
with
yes
and
formerly.
I
But
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here
today,
chairman,
I'm
sorry,
chairwoman,
larson
members
of
the
committee
and
also
mr
smith
and
ashley
for
inviting
me
to
speak
today
today,
I'll
be
covering
the
material
on
our
citywide
greenhouse
gas
inventory
update.
But
I
would
particularly
like
to
thank
ashley
tobin
in
our
public
services
department
for
all
of
the
help
on
this
she's
been
instrumental
to
this
process
in
compiling
and
getting
all
this
information
from
the
different
city
departments
and
putting
in
the
tools
and
orchestrating
this
whole
effort.
I
So
thank
you
very
much
ashley
for
all
of
your
help
on
this
all
right.
So
today
we're
going
to
be
providing
you
with
an
update
on
the
the
2019
baseline
for
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
We
last
spoke
about
this
back
in
january.
We're
about
three
quarters
the
way
through
the
process
and
today
we'll
be
providing
you
with
the
updated
2019
numbers,
and
these
are
final
numbers
at
this
point.
I
There
it
is
okay,
so
just
a
quick
recap
on
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
How
does
one
go
about
creating
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory?
The
first
step
is
to
establish
a
baseline,
and
in
this
case
we
chose
2019.
I
I
The
next
step
is
to
take
all
that
information
and
convert
all
that
energy
use
into
equivalent
tons
of
co2
emissions,
and
that
can
be
quite
a
technical
process,
but
luckily
there's
a
national,
well
really
international
tool
called
ickley,
which
is
sort
of
a
standard
that
software
that
is
web-based
allows
you
to
input
all
your
information
in
a
consistent
way
with
all
the
other
utilities
and
municipalities,
and
it
converts
all
that
energy
consumption
into
equivalent
tons
of
co2
emissions
on
a
consistent
basis.
I
The
next
steps
that
might
be
for
the
future
would
be
to
forecast
future
emissions
based
on
growth,
and
then
you
might
make
a
plan
to
with
goals
to
reduce
emissions
and
energy
consumption
over
time,
and
you
would
continue
to
monitor
your
energy
consumption
and
your
emissions
year
over
year
and
continue
to
do
this
sort
of
process,
as
your
projects
are
implemented,
to
see
how
you're
tracking
and
how
your
your
actual
energy
consumption
and
co2
emissions
compare
to
what
your
original
forecast
was
and
how
your
goals
are
for
being
implemented
with
the
different
projects
that
are
being
constructed
or
put
into
place.
I
Again
I
mentioned
ickley
eckley.
Is
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
tool
that
we
elected
to
use
again?
It's
an
online
tool
for
municipalities,
there's
two
different
tracks
that
you
can
go
down
in
this
case,
because
we
are
just
starting
off
on
this
effort.
We
elected
to
go
with
the
government
operations
track.
It
focuses
on
municipal
government
operations,
so
this
is.
This
work
was
limited
to
our
city
government.
I
You
know
the
fire
department,
police
utilities,
general
government,
energy
consumption
and
the
other
scale
would
be
community
scale
track,
and
that
would
include
things
like
net
commuting
miles
and
things
like
that,
like
looking
more
at
the
community
as
a
whole,
we
elected
to
start
off
with
this
government
track
because
it
was
what
we
had
readily
available.
It
was
a
little
bit
smaller
in
scope
and
it's
also
actionable
it's
the
things
that
we
have
more
direct
control
over
here
as
city
employees,
and
so
that's
where
we
wanted
to
start.
I
All
right,
so
here's
our
progress
to
date,
so
we
have
finished
collecting
all
of
our
data.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
some
of
the
things
that
we
collected
since
we
last
spoke
to
you
in
january
are
our
electrical
generator
fuel
consumption
that
was
sort
of
outside
of
the
scope
of
our
normal
fleet
operations.
So
it
took
us
a
little
while
to
hunt
down
that
information
and
the
different
fuel
invoices,
and
things
like
that.
I
A
big
fish
that
we
had
really
been
hoping
to
get
that
we
had
mentioned
earlier
was
the
fuel
consumption
for
the
waste
management
fleet,
which
is
our
solid
waste
contractor
here
at
the
city.
Luckily,
they
have
extremely
good
records
and
they
will
excuse
me
they
were
able
to
provide
those
to
us
shortly
after
our
last
update,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
take
those
records
and
put
them
directly
in
the
igle
tool.
I
One
other
effort
that
we
were
working
on
was
other
city
contractors,
and
particularly
our
landscaping
contractors
for
the
golf
course
and
public
works
and
the
cemetery
and
things
like
that,
looking
at
their
fuel
use
as
well.
I
We
also
went
through
and
did
a
final
round
of
quality
control
on
the
data
collected,
just
sort
of
making
sure
everything
was
adding
up
hunting
for
missing
records
and
things
like
that
and
since
then,
we've
finalized,
our
2019
greenhouse
gas
inventory
and
now
we're
going
to
see
some
results
all
right.
I
So
here's
our
initial
cut
for
citywide
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
municipal
government,
it's
broken
down
by
sector
and,
as
you
can
see,
our
overall,
I'm
not
sure
which
one
you
guys
are
looking
at
and
the
laser
does
not
hit
on
the
screen.
So
we're
going
to
just
speak
to
the
slide.
The
the
overall
city
ride.
Greenhouse
gas
emissions
is
just
shy
of
ten
metric
tons
of
co2
equivalent.
That's
not
all
co2.
Obviously
there's
other
things
in
there.
I
One
kind
of
oddball
thing
was
like
net
nitrous
oxide
emissions
from
the
wastewater
facility,
which
is
sort
of
inherent
to
any
sort
of
wastewater
process.
That
was
a
very
small
quantity,
but
it
just
is
an
example
of
how
the
icky
tool
can
take
something:
that's
not
co2
and
convert
it
into
co2
equivalents
for
simplicity's
sake
and
comparing
your
progress
over
time.
I
The
largest
sector
for
municipal
emissions
was
the
water
and
lease
water
utilities.
These
are
obviously
some
of
the
services
that
we
provide
here
that
are
most
energy
intensive
from
a
pumping
and
water
treatment
standpoint.
I
So
the
buildings
facilities
were
about
1800
tons
of
co2
equivalent
and
the
vehicle
fleet
was
about
1700,
and
then
you
get
into
like
sort
of
smaller
categories
like
street
lights
and
traffic
signals.
Those
tend
to
be
relatively
energy
efficient,
already
they're,
you
know
smaller,
there's
a
lot
of
them,
but
you
know
they're,
just
ultimately
light
bulbs
and
processors,
and
things
like
that
and,
lastly,
was
our
solid
waste
facilities.
That
should
be
noted
that
the
because
most
of
our
solid
waste
is
contracted
out
through
waste
management.
I
I
Yes,
you
can't
see
it
on
the
chart,
but
if
you
look
up
into
the
the
table
up
there,
you
can
see
it's
the
fourth
category
down
from
the
top
as
a
solid
waste
facility's
at
five
five
tons
of
co2
equivalent.
Again,
that's
really
primarily
just
energy
consumption
of
the
solid
waste
facility.
I
I
The
wastewater
facility
was
a
close
was
a
second
at
about
4.5
million
kilowatt
hours,
and
the
other
municipal
buildings
were
about
4.3
million
kilowatt
hours
of
energy
consumption
within
that
category
that
we
have
the
pie
chart
broke
or
that
that
red
bar
on
the
pie
chart
the
other
municipal
government
use.
I
We
did
break
that
out
into
co2
equivalents
for
you
to
see
here
on
the
right,
and
so
you
can
see
where,
where
everything
is
going,
it's
not
related
to
our
utilities,
so
some
of
the
key
categories
would
be
parks,
rec,
leisure.
In
the
cemetery
we
kind
of
bundled
all
those
together
as
an
easily
understandable
category
grid
losses
is
actually
the
second
largest
category.
That's
something
that's
largely
outside
of
our
control.
I
Grid
losses
are
related
to
the
trans.
The
losses
in
energy
being
transmitted
over
distance,
so
that's
some
a
number
that
it's
a
factor
that
we
got
from
duke
energy
and
it's
related
to
where
our
closest
energy
production
facility
is
relative
to
our
city
facilities
and
also
the
types
of
great
infrastructure
they
have
in
place.
So
the
only
that
can
go
up
or
down,
but
it'll
trail
fairly
linearly
with
overall
energy
consumption.
H
I
I
think
the
biggest
thing
that
I
would
be
looking
at
in
this
category-
it
is,
we
did
look.
I
I
we
knew
we
were
going
to
get
that
question
and
we
did
look
for
some
benchmarks
and
other
municipalities
data.
As
far
as
energy
consumption,
you
know
kind
of
across
the
board
and,
like
ultimately,
you
know,
we
were
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble.
We
found
some
energy
sources
or
some
data
sources
we're
hoping
to
maybe
have
some
better
stuff
in
the
future,
but
for
right
now
we're
really
focused
on
our
government.
I
Different
types
of
municipalities,
for
example,
if
you
went
down
to
oh,
let's
pick
one,
maybe
like
bel
air
right
they're,
you
know
a
little
bit
smaller
than
us,
but
they
also
don't
have
a
water
plant.
I
don't
believe
so,
but
they're
importing
all
of
their
water,
ultimately
from
tampa
bay,
water,
which
is
located
on
the
other
side
of
hillsborough
county.
I
It's
going
to
be
different.
So
if
you
have
a
long,
linear
utility
you're
going
to
have
more
pumping
costs
than
you
would,
if
you
have
a
very
small
compact
utility,
that's
sort
of
outside
of
your
control,
but
what
we
can
control
is
we
can
look
at
it
year
over
year
and
compare
to
ourselves,
I
think,
from
a
benchmarking
perspective.
That's
the
healthiest
way
to
go
about.
It
is
to
look
at.
D
I
Well,
I
will
say
I
wasn't
surprised
because
I'm
in
utilities
and
we
do
pay
the
bills,
so
that
was
not
particularly
surprising.
We
do
tend
to
have
a
fair
and
we
have
to
budget
for
this
every
year,
so
we
have
a
fairly
good
pulse,
at
least
once
a
year,
looking
at
our
overall
energy
consumption
as
to
what
we're
budgeting
for
in
subsequent
years,
I
have
done
some
preliminary.
No.
I
I
have
looked
at
some
numbers
as
far
as
like
unit
production
costs
for
like
water
and
our
utility
and
stuff
like
that,
and
it's
it's
like
fairly
equivalent
compared
to
other
utilities
that
I've
seen
I've
seen
a
lot
of
different
water
production
numbers.
Through
my
experience
in
the
water
loss
committee
and
working
in
throughout
southwest
florida,
you
know
so
it
was,
you
know,
not
terribly
high
and
not
terribly
low
kind
of
online
for
the
type
of
water
treatment
that
we
have,
which
is
reverse
osmosis.
So.
A
I
had
a
few
thoughts
too.
You
know.
One
thing
you
have
to
consider
with
our
water
is
what
we're,
starting
with
we're,
starting
with
a
brackish,
almost
salt
water.
So
that's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
energy
to
convert
it
to
fresh
water,
so
to
try
to
compare
us
to
another
facility.
That
starts
with
fresh
water,
say.
B
A
B
A
A
More
solar
implementation,
of
course,
it's
a
function
of
flow
and
the
water
quality.
If
the
water
quality
gets
saltier,
it's
going
to
take
more
energy,
but
this
is
a
starting
point.
You
really
can't
tell
you
know
like
going
on
a
diet.
You
don't
really
know
until
you
weigh
yourself
the
first
time,
that's
kind
of
what
this
is.
D
H
A
I
think
the
first
step
will
be
to
see
what
happens,
but
I
know
that
early
on
that
was
one
of
dory's
comments
and
she
wanted
us
to
have
goals
to
reduce
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
a
certain
percentage
by
a
certain
year,
and
I
think
the
before
you
can
really
do
that.
You
need
to
know
what
those
numbers
look
like.
C
I
Yeah
and
one
key
step,
two
is
as
you
as
you
track:
those
numbers
it's
important
to
normalize,
for,
yes,
as
paul
said
for
your
production
and
your
flow
like,
for
example,
at
the
wastewater
treatment
facility.
If
we
have
a
particularly
rainy
year,
we're
gonna
have
more
water
to
treat
that's
just
how
it
is,
and
so
the
flows
might
go
up.
You
know
like
five
percent
or
something
like
that,
and
you
would
expect
that
energy
consumption
would
go
up
correspondingly
or
on
the
water
side.
I
If
you
had
a
particularly
dry
year
and
you
had
a
large
demand
for
irrigation,
that
would
be
something
that
could
potentially
drive
up
your
overall
production
numbers
and
yeah.
Your
energy
consumption
will
go
up
accordingly,
so
it's
important
to
normalize
across
a
variety
of
different
climate
years
as
well.
G
Thomas
is
there
a
seasonality
to
the
use
of
electricity,
for
example
at
the
reverse
osmosis
plant,
because
we
have
drought
followed
by
rainy
season
and
soon
to
have
drought,
followed
extreme
drought,
followed
by
deluge?
Do
we
anticipate
this
is
going
to
get
worse
over
time.
I
Yeah,
I
I
couldn't
speak
to
that
briefly.
I
I'm
not
intimately
familiar
with
the
month-to-month
variation,
the
water
plant,
budgets
or
you
know,
electricity
consumption,
but
in
general
their
peak
water
use
does
occur.
You
know,
or
their
peak
water
production
does
occur
in
those
drier
months.
When
you
have
high
irrigation
demand,
so
you
know,
they'll
have
longer
production
runs
and
to
meet
demand
for
folks
in
you
know,
late
april
may
early
june,
and
you
know
when
you
get
into
july,
and
it's
raining
like
crazy.
I
You
know
people
need
a
little
bit
less
water,
but
as
you
get
into
august
and
september
on
the
wastewater
side,
your
numbers
start
to
go
up
a
little
bit,
and
so
you
know,
as
you
get
more
rainfall
and
you
have
more
more
return
flows
the
wastewater
facility,
so
your
our
energy
consumption
peaks
in
the
in
the
wet
season.
A
It
can
that's
our
continual
quest
is
to
get
more
wells
so
that
we
can
rotate
them
and
turn
them
down.
You
know
if
we
can,
in
the
drier
months,
or
at
least
not
turn
them
up
too
much,
but
that
is
a
risk,
but
it
is
also
something
we
have
to
monitor
and
make
adjustments
based
on
what
we're
getting.
C
Did
these
numbers
factor
in
reclaimed
water
that
come
from
the
county.
I
Let
me
go
ahead
and
cut
ahead.
Actually,
I
was
really
trying
to
focus
there
on
other
municipal
uses.
B
I
Can
go
ahead
and
jump
forward
to
utilities.
You
guys
seem
particularly
interested
in
that
category,
so
here
you
can
see
a
little
bit
more
of
a
detailed
breakdown
on
that
chart
to
the
right
from
the
you
know:
water
and
wastewater
co2
emissions.
So
again
this
largely
tracks
kilowatt
hours
of
energy
consumption
and
you
can
see
the
water
utility
is
the
you
know
larger
the
largest
bar
that's
a
little
bit
over
three
thousand
metric
tons
and
that's
energy
consumption
for
the
reverse,
osmosis
waste,
our
reverse
osmosis
water
facility
and
the
distribution
system.
I
The
wastewater
facility
is
the
next
largest
category
at
just
over
2000
tons
and
then
just
it's
a
little
bit
of
the
nature
of
the
tool.
They
do
kind
of
break
things
down
into
like
categories
that
the
average
joe
might
not
break
them
down
into.
But
you
know
like
fuel
gener
diesel
generators.
A
lot
of
folks
might
lump
that
in
with
the
overall
facility
numbers.
But
in
this
case,
because
it's
fuel
consumption,
not
energy,
it's
called
out
separately
same
thing
with
grid
losses.
I
We
have
very
small
quantities
of
energy
consumption
for,
like
we
have
a
couple
of
propane
generators
and
things
like
that
and
a
stationary
fuel
consumption
for
for
diesel
pumps
and
things
like
that.
Those
are
like
backup,
pumps
and
bypass
pumps
for
the
wastewater
facility,
largely
and
the
wastewater
collection
system
in
case
something
ever
happens,
and
you
need
to
put
a
pump
in
place.
You
know-
and
you
don't
have
energy
power
there,
but
again
there.
You
can
see
the
general
breakdown
of
water
versus
wastewater
emissions
from
the
different
categories.
I
I
Yes,
the
reclaimed
water
production
is
included
in
the
wastewater
utility
grid,
electricity
consumption.
Okay,
everything
goes
back
to
one
account
to
a
couple
of
accounts
that
are
all
paid
for
out
of
the
wastewater
fund.
Thank
you.
I
All
right,
the
next
category
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
was
fleet
fuel
use.
Here
you
know
we
did
kind
of
lump
everything
together
between
gasoline
and
diesel,
but
that
pie
chart
on
the
left
demonstrates
the
total
city-wide
fuel
consumption.
In
gallons.
Again,
that's
diesel
and
gasoline
all
lumped
together
just
for
simplicity's
sake,
but
you
can
see
that
the
police
department's,
the
largest
consumer
of
fuel,
it
makes
sense,
they're,
24,
7,
facil,
24,
7
service.
I
You
know
they're
out
there
keeping
people
safe
and
also
giving
out
traffic
tickets
at
2am
and
our
construction
crews.
We
really
try
hard
not
to
be
responding
to
things
at
2am
unless
there's
an
absolute
need
to
so
you
know,
so
the
police
is
the
the
largest
user.
The
next
largest
category
is
public
works,
that's
heavily
weighted
towards
their
construction
equipment
and
that
sort
of
thing,
like
you,
know,
excavators
and
dozers
and
larger
trucks
associated
with
transporting
that
equipment
around
town.
I
I
Presumably
and
fire
was
the
the
next
largest
category,
followed
by
the
water
and
sewer
utilities
there
up
in
the
top
right
top
left
and
other
general
municipal
government,
like
the
project
administration,
division,
yeah,
the
cemetery
and
parks
and
rec,
and
things
like
that
are
als-
are
the
smallest
category
other
than
the
the
water
division.
I
And
again
you
can
see
it
there's
a
quite
a
bit
of
a
breakdown
here
on
the
right.
This
is
all
of
the
city-wide
vehicles.
You
will
note
that
we
do
have
some
electric
fields
in
here,
particularly
our
golf
course.
Electric
carts
and
you
can
see
they're
the
third
one
down
from
the
top
very
small
user.
We
have
quite
a
few
of
them.
I
would
be
hard-pressed
to
tell
the
exact
number
of
golf
carts
we
have,
but
they
are
all
electrified
and
for
that
reason
75.
I
the
answer
is
75
golf
carts
and
but
they
they're
driving
around
whenever
just
like
any
other
vehicle.
Whenever
the
golf
course
is
in
operation-
and
you
know
they
are
a
very
s-
relatively
small
contributor
to
our
co2
emissions,
because
they're
electrified
light
trucks-
this
this
kind
of
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
what
our
vehicle
fleet
looks
like
the
light.
Trucks
includes
like
ford
explorers
and
things
like
that
that
are
like
police,
cruisers
or
patrol
cars.
I
Those
have
been
kind
of
the
general
trend
in
police
departments
as
folks
trend
away
from
the
old
crown
vics,
which
have
been
discontinued
a
number
of
years
ago.
Folks
are
going
to
like
smaller
suv
to
those
mid-size
suvs
which
count
as
light
truck
in
this
category,
and
then
you
can
see
also
like
waste.
H
So
when,
when
is
there
a
policy
in
the
city
about
when
vehicles
are
in
an
idle
mode,
you
know
when
people
stop,
I
know
police
cars,
they
keep
their
cars
on,
even
though
they're
stopped
and
doing
their
paperwork
and
all
of
that.
A
Yes,
the
tweet
does
have
an
anti-idling
policy.
I
will
say
there
are
exceptions
to
it.
Some
vehicles
draw
too
much
amperage
with
all
their
electronics
to
turn
off
in
other
cases,
if
it's
in
the
summer
and
the
air
conditioning
just
to
keep
the
crews
from
overheating,
you
know
there's
some
things,
but
definitely
when
you
can,
the
idea
is
to
turn
off
the
engine.
D
Excuse
me:
yes,
so
just
a
question
about
waste
management
and
the
diesel
did
with
the
diesel
they
use.
Is
that
clean
diesel
do
you
know,
or
is
there
a
difference
between
consumption
of
that?
What's
the
so-called
clean
diesel,
the
low
emission
diesel
and
regular
diesel.
I
The
the
answer
is,
there
is
a
difference
between
the
types
of
diesel.
We
did
ask
those
types
of
questions
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you.
I
As
far
as
the
I
just
don't
recall
offhand,
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
I've
touched
the
waste
management
numbers
yes,
but
depending
on
what
percentage
biodiesel
you're
consuming
you're
using
it
does
change
the
the
emissions
the
the
overall
emissions
like
a
lot
of
it's
between,
like
you,
know,
20
biodiesel
and
like
standard
diesel,
is
about
five
percent,
so
it
doesn't
move
at
all
that
much
either.
I
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
like
pure,
like
alternative
diesel
fuels
in
this
area,
like
you
know
like
you,
might
have
in
the
midwest,
where
it's
all
like
corn
derived
or
something
like
that,
or
in
some
cases
you
know
even
recycled
cooking
oils
and
things
like.
I
A
C
A
No,
but
not
a
lot
of
other
cities
have
a
high
percentage,
yet
either
we're
really
looking
towards
and
dory
could
speak
to
this
a
lot,
but
we're
really
looking
for
the
market
to
give
us
more
choices,
and
one
of
the
things
I
thought
you
might
bring
up
is
the
light
truck
gas.
I
mean
that
would
be
like
okay.
What
can
we
do
there?
That's
a
big.
B
D
A
You
know
we're
looking
at
things
like
that.
That's
probably
a
few
years
out
before
we
can
start
looking
at
buying
those
in
quantities,
but
we
also
want
to
see
things
demonstrated.
We
don't
want
to
be
the
guinea
pig
we've
had
some
bad
experiences,
not
on
the
electric
side,
but
on
the
gas
side,
buying
a
new
manufacturer
and
then
having
major
troubles
with
a
new
model
coming
out.
So
I
think
once
been
twice
shy
with
that.
A
We'll
want
to
see
some
good
demonstrations,
which
might
be
a
year
and
then
we
could
jump
in
more
fully
once
we
get
that
I'm
gonna.
B
I
No,
that's
awesome,
yeah
and
I
will
say
on
the
light
truck
thing.
The
picture
is
not
so
bleak
as
it
would
seem.
One
of
the
reasons
that
you
know
a
lot
of
folks
have
transitioned
into
those
small
suvs
is
just
because
over
time
as
fuel
emission
standards
have
increased,
you
know,
a
ford
explorer
might
now
be
getting
25
28
miles
per
gallon
as
a
with
a
four
cylinder,
whereas
even
10
or
12
years
ago.
I
You
know,
ford
crown
victoria
might
have
for
a
for
a
police
vehicle
might
have
had
a
v8
that
was
getting
you
know
like
10
or
12
or
15..
So,
even
though
you're
transitioning
to
like
larger
higher
profile
vehicles,
the
overall
miles
per
gallon
has
continued
to
increase
across
the
entire
range
of
produced
vehicles
in
the
us.
I
I
We
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
collecting
this
information,
and
so
we
looked
pretty
hard
at
our
vehicle
fuel
consumption
to
see
what
was
going
on
and
also
checking
for
those
idlers,
you
know
like
is
someone
not
driving
a
whole
lot
of
miles,
but
using
a
whole
lot
more
fuel
than
they
were
than
you
would
expect,
and
we
did.
Luckily,
we
didn't
find
too
much
of
that,
so
we're
really
any
of
that.
I
It
seemed
like
everything
roughly
correlated
the
miles
went
with
the
fuel,
so
that's
that's
a
good
story
right
there,
and
but
we
did
identify
a
couple
of
areas
for
some
fuel
savings
over
time.
Knowing
that
we
can't
turn
over
our
whole
fleet
in
one
year
we
decided
to
look
at
a
couple
of
priorities,
so
we're
currently
planning
to
implement
two
new
evs.
I
I
I
think
the
epa
rating
is
about
15
miles
per
gallon,
but
that's
what
they
were
about
10
years
ago
when
they
were
making
them
so
that
vehicle
in
2019
consumed
about
1200
gallons
of
fuel,
and
we
are
currently
planning
when
that
vehicle
comes
in
for
a
placement
to
replace
it
with
the
new
ford
e-transit,
which
is
an
electric,
a
fully
electric
plug-in
utility
van
that
our
cargo
van
that
ford's
coming
out
with
it,
was
supposed
to
be
to
market
already
they're
hoping
to
have
it
to
market.
I
All
right
so
some
of
our
next
steps,
so
this
information
obviously
was
already
important
helpful
to
us
in
utilities,
and
we
would
like
to
begin
providing
these
results
now:
they're
sort
of
finalized
to
other
departments
for
consideration,
particularly
on
the
fuel
consumption
information.
I
I
We
could
also
begin
compiling
our
2020
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
we're
through
that
calendar
we're
well
through
that
calendar
year
now,
and
so
all
those
records
are
available,
if
not
yet
compiled.
So
we
could
begin
putting
that
together
and
then
it
might
be
an
interesting
exercise
to
begin
comparing
outcomes
from
2019
and
2020
through
through
ickley
2020.
Obviously,
we
had
partial
implementation
of
the
solar
project
to
the
reverse
osmosis
facility.
I
B
I
I
Yes,
that
is
the
that's
going
to
be
the
nature
of
you
know
any
sort
of
exercise
like
this
again
you're
going
to
have
a
variety
of
factors.
Economic
factor
drivers
are
going
to
be
very
large,
so
I
I
will
say
I
know
that
in
the
wastewater
utility
we
used
quite
a
bit
less
fuel
in
2020,
so
your
numbers
could
be
dramatically
lower
and
it
might
not
be
unexpected
to
see
a
rebound
in
2021.
As
things
reopen,
and
you
know
we
went
to
like
partial
staffing
in
a
lot
of
areas
we
deferred.
I
You
know
projects
especially
early
on
the
pandemics,
so
things
weren't
getting
built
for
a
couple
of
months
that
we
were
planning
on
so
we're
really
on
a
really
operating
on
an
emergency
basis,
so
yeah.
So
there
would
probably
be
a
little
bit
of
a
drop
off
in
in
2020.
2021
might
be
sort
of
a
return
to
normal,
but
for
some
things
like
the
the
facilities
like
you
know,
people
were
still
using
water.
People
were
still
using
waste
water.
The
numbers
aren't
that
dramatic.
A
H
I
Yeah,
that's
that's
definitely
the
case
and
it
is
important
to
make
sure
that
you're
keeping
your
scope
consistent.
So,
if
you're
having
more
of
a
remote
workforce,
you
know
you
can
sort
of
art,
you
might
artificially
reduce
your
energy
consumption,
but
you're
really
just
transferring
out
to
someone's
home.
You
know.
I
So
if
you've
got
the
pc
and
the
phone
and
lighting
all
running
and
air
conditioning
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
you
know
you
might
have
some
of
that
come
down
if
you
have
a
more
remote
workforce,
but
you
might
be
transferring
it
out
to
people's
homes
where
it
might
be
a
little
bit
more
hard
to
quantify.
Also
so
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
your
vehicle,
oh
definitely
so,.
H
I
have
one
more
question:
was
this
study
funded
in
the
normal
budget,
or
did
you
have
a
grant
or
something
to
do
this
study.
H
B
A
Second,
I
think
we're
one
of
the
few
cities
I
heard
tommy
say
the
only
city
that
he
knows
of
that
we're
actually
doing
this
in-house,
with
tools
that
we
were
able
to
get
at
very
low
cost
through
joining
this
organization.
Iclei
pronounced
ickley.
This
was
all
the
tools
that
they
provided.
It
was
one
of
the
main
reasons
we
joined
is
because
we
could
utilize
something
like
this.
Many
other
cities
are
using
consultants
to
do
this
and
are
paying
for
it.
So
I
guess
the
short
answer
is
we
didn't
really
need
any
budget
for
this
great.
C
So
I
guess
my
question
is
like:
where
do
we
go
from
here
in
terms
of
like?
When
do
you
think
we
could
set
some
goals?
What
are
some
attainable
goals
like
what's
realistic
of
like
what
we
can
try
to
reduce,
I
mean
it
seems
like
water
is
obviously,
is
the
biggest
to
try
to
tackle
so
trying
to
educate
residents
about
reducing
water,
or
I
mean
this
is
just,
but
this
isn't
well.
This
is
for
the
community
in
terms
of
the
water
right,
even
though
it's
these
are
city
numbers,
but
these
are
this.
C
F
Yeah
I
was
going
to
piggyback
on
on
dory's
question
because
not
knowing
or
understanding
how
the
treatment
plant
works
or
how
any
of
the
system
works,
it's
pretty
hard
to
conceive
of.
Well,
how
do
you
reduce
the
amount
that
we're
using?
Is
there
any
way
for
us
to
have
just
even
a
clue
about
what
that
why
that
number
is
so
high
I
mean
it
might
be.
I
mean
I
and
I
heard
that
we're
reducing
it.
That's
where
we're
putting
a
lot
of
our
solar
efforts
is
the
operation
of
the
plant.
I
No,
I
I
don't
think
it's
a
pipe
dream.
I
do
think
it's.
You
did
say
one
kind
of
important
thing.
You
said
that
this
area
is
very
high,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
this
area
is
just
high
in
relation
to
our
services
provided.
So
you
know,
if
you're
in
a
larger
facility,
a
larger
utility
and
you've
got
a
public
transit
system.
You
know
that
can
be
very
energy
intensive.
I
I
I
will
say
we
spoke
last
time
about
our
per
capita
water
use
numbers
and
those
are
published
and
we
have
been
able
to.
We
can
compare
directly
to
published
numbers
for
other
area
utilities.
I
want
to
say
we're
at
like
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
I
want
to
say
we're
at
like
107
gallons
per
capita
a
day.
The
regional
target
for
the
water
management
district
is
150,
and
so
we're
already
well
below
that
target
and
we're
actually
well
below
the
regional
and
the
state
average.
I
I
as
as
I
recall,
don't
quote
me
on
that,
but
we
could
provide
that
slide
again
from
the
last
update,
so
we
are
making
progress
on
water
conservation.
Obviously,
ashley
is
implementing.
You
know
water
conservation
program
right
now
for
like
toilet
rebates
and
stuff,
like
that,
there's
always
more.
We
can
do
on.
You
know
awareness
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
I
do
think
that
paul
has
definitely
got
us
on
the
right
direction
with
the
solar
energy.
I
I
You
have
some
influence
and
you
can
educate
people,
but
ultimately,
you
know
if
you
have
more
people
they're
going
to
use
a
little
bit
more
water,
so
by
you
know,
taking
that
you
know
known
energy
consumption,
that's
needed
for
the
technology,
the
treatment
technology
that
we
have
and
converting
it
from
a
carbon
intensive
energy
source
to
a
carbon
neutral
energy
source
is
that's,
I
think,
that's
probably
the
most
bang
for
your
buck
on
on
that
front,.
I
Yes,
that's
one
thing
that
we
did
talk
about
last
time
we
were
hoping
to
set
something
up
with
ickley.
You
know
in
the
near
future,
maybe
to
start
talking
about.
A
I
wanted
to
say
these
are
great
questions.
These
are
like
next
step
questions
they're
a
little
bit
ahead
of
where
we
are
right
now,
including
the
percentage
realistic
drops.
So
we
want
to,
we
just
finished
putting
it
all
together.
We
wanted
to
show
it
to
you
next.
We
need
to
communicate
it
to
with
internally
and
also
talk
about
that
next
step.
Those.
I
A
In
each
area,
what
can
we
do
and
then
get
back
to
you
on
that?
This.
B
I
A
In
progress
for
sure
and
it'll
continue
to
be
over
years,
I
just
want
to
add
too,
since
you
mentioned
solar,
it
is
in
this
coming
budget,
another
650
000
to
expand
another
phase
of
solar
we've
already
gotten
ahead
with
the
next
plan,
to
put
it
out
to
bid.
So
we
really
want
to
get
a
jump
start
on
that.
So
I
hope
we're
going
to
be
constructing
something
in
six
months
if
everything
goes
well.
So
how.
A
I
don't
know
if
we'll
ever
get
to
100.
One
of
the
challenges
is
that
plant,
sometimes
many
times
runs
24
hours
a
day
and,
as
you
know,
effective
sunlight
might
be
six
or
seven
hours.
If
you
average,
the
you
know
the
low
angle
of
the
sun,
maybe
six
hours
of
full
full
energy
a
day,
so
you've
already
got
behind
the
eight
ball
there,
but
I
do
think
that
we
can
get
to
perhaps
40
to
50
of
the
power
and
we're
not
giving
up
on
wind.
I
mean
we're
going
to
keep
looking
at
these
different
ideas.
A
B
D
I
don't
know
that
this
fits
into
water
loss,
but
I
recall
that
in
our
old
part
of
town,
a
lot
of
the
pipes
are
still
old
clay
pipes
where
they're,
basically
just
tapped
in
and
no
nothing
really
holding
them
together
and
those.
You
know,
as
I
recall,
those
leak
like
a
sieve.
There's
really
a
lot
of
water
lost
through
that
have
any
of
those
ever
been
sleeved
or
I
know,
there's
some
there's
a
a
way
to
sleeve
existing
clay
pipes
to
to
stop
some
of
that
water
loss
have
have
we
considered
doing
that.
I
Of
things
yes,
yeah
vitrified
clay
pipe
is
much
more
associated
with
gravity
sewer
lines.
We
do
know
that
we've
got
quite
a
bit
of
you
know,
gravity,
you
know
sewer,
that's
still
clay
pipe,
it's
not
necessarily
inherently
leaky.
You
know
it
works
very
well.
You
know
until
you
know
something
happens,
that
causes
a
crack
in
it.
I
I
So
we've
added
on
engineered
spray
solutions
which
we've
been
using
for
manhole
rehabs,
they're
saving,
us
quite
a
bit
of
money
in
the
past
we've
seen
quotes
for
you,
know
upwards
of
twenty
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
rehab
an
old
manhole
and
now
we're
getting
it
in
the
five
to
ten
thousand
dollar
range.
So
we're
able
to
get
to
more
areas
for
the
same
budget
and
also
trenchless
technology
from
a
sewer
lining
perspective
is
much
more
cost
effective.
When
you
can
do
it,
you
know
it's
not
always
practical.
I
F
A
C
H
F
I
That's
not
something
I'm
aware
that
we've
taken
a
look
at
paul
can
weigh
in
on
that,
but
I
do
believe
that
dory's
alluding
to
to
something
important
here
in
the
just
in
general.
You
know
I'm
not
an
expert
on
tidal
energy,
but
in
general
I've.
I
believe
I've
read
that
you
know
those
projects
tend
to
be
focused
like
in
the
the
northern
latitudes,
where
you
have
like
much
higher
tidal
variation.
I
You
know
where,
instead
of
here,
like
our
title,
variation
might
be
between
like
one
foot
and
three
foot
of
elevation
and
you've
got
tides
up
north
in
like
nova,
scotia,
and
things
like
that.
That
are,
you
know,
six
seven,
ten
twelve
feet
per
day,
and
so
really
that
difference
in
elevation
is
what
gives
you
a
lot
of
energy
potential,
and
so
we
in
general,
this
sort
of
this
area
of
the
of
the
world
is
going
to
have
lower
energy
potential
for
title
than
than
other
areas
with
larger
tidal
variation.
C
I
I
E
I
C
All
right,
so
our
next
item
number
two
is
discussion
about
built
environment
results
thanks
everybody
for
getting
those
in
so
highlighted
where
we
have
majority
so
four
more
votes,
and
are
you
pulling
that
up?
Ashley
awesome?
Thank
you.
C
All
right
so
in
the
first
outcome
built
environment,
one
ambient
noise
and
light
there
wasn't
enough
votes
for
a
outcome
and
then
same
with
local
actions.
There
weren't
there
was
the
highest,
was
three
votes,
so
there
wasn't
anything
in
that
local
action.
D
Was
it
craig
park
and
awesome,
or
did
they
already
have
them
in
mother
mayor's
park,
or
was
it
just
craig.
H
I
thought
it
was
quite
fun,
but
I'm
sure
that
if
it's
there,
why
not
put
it
everywhere?
I
think
I
think,
with.
H
Yeah,
where
the
mural
is
no,
I
thought
it
was.
I
don't
know
but
anywhere,
to
put
it,
I
think,
is
a
mistake,
because
it's
the
birds,
it
affects
the
birds,
it
affects
all
of
the
animals.
It
affects
the
growth
of
the
trees,
it's
just
in
general,
not
a
policy
that
is
good
for
sustainability
of
the
natural
life,
and
it's
not
nature.
J
But
I
don't
know
how
this
this
affects
us.
I,
when
we
would
go
way
back
to
when
we
went
out
into
the
community,
and
we
asked
community
leaders
to
kind
of
give
us
some
input
on
different.
You
know
what
they
felt
was
important
in
their
communities,
etc.
So
this
is
way
back.
You
know
when
we
first
got
started
and
one
of
the
things
was
that
came
out
in
somebody
that
I
was
speaking
to
was
how
how
sustainability
was
going
to
impact
crime
in
in
the
community
etc.
J
And
so
my
question
on
this
was
what
I
found
really
interesting.
Was
you
know
at
that
point?
I
didn't
know
right
because
I
didn't
know
where
we
were
going
to
go
and
what
we
were
doing
and
what
have
you.
It
was
just
more
trying
to
get
their
feedback,
but
that
was
a
very
big
concern
of
this
person
and
one
of
the
things
I
thought
about
was
they
put
in
new
lighting
right
up
at
that
four-way
stop
at
spring
and
grand
or
orange
street
and
grand
and
spring
it's
kind
of
like
a
three-way.
J
Because
of
some
events
that
had
happened
prior
to-
and
so
that
was
kind
of
my
thinking
is
that
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
in
mind
that
some
sort
of
lighting,
whether
it's
you
know,
trees
or
not
in
the
trees
or
what
have
you,
but
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
on
a
on
several
occasions,
there's
commotion
and
stuff,
and
things
like
that
going
on
in
craig
park
very
late
into
the
night.
I
mean
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
different
times
and
and
so
sometimes
more
lighting
is
not
horrible.
J
It's
just
how
it's,
how
it's
put
in
and
presented
and
what
it's
doing
like
you
said
impact
to
the
trees.
So
is
so
I
I
just
thought
I'd
throw
that
out
there.
Some
some
of
the
comments
were,
you
know
well
how's.
How
are
we
working
on
crime
and
I
thought
well
gosh
perfect
example:
we
were
able
to
put
a
little
bit
more
lighting
in
in
areas
that
weren't
lighted
bringing
more
attention
to
those
areas
for
people,
so
I
think
whether
that
has
has
any
impact.
J
What
you're,
talking
to
or
not,
is
there
a
way
to
put
very
nice
lighting
in
or
around
the
trees
without
actually
harming
the
trees
or
the
animals,
or
you
know
that
need
that
nature
itself,
so
I
just
thought:
I'd
throw
that
kind
of
as
a
a.
B
J
Well,
and
I
would
think
solar
lights
could
play
a
part
in
some
of
that
as
well.
No,
I
don't
know
anyway.
I
just
thought
since
we're
talking
about
I
I
don't.
I
don't
recall
at
this
point
what
I
what
I,
what
I
answered
for
the
built
environment,
because
as
soon
as
I
got
that
request
from
ashley
I
was
like.
If
I
don't
do
this
right
now,
I'm
so
busy
that
it's
not
going
to
happen
so
and
I
already
had
had
been
working
on
it.
So
since
I
got
the
request
I
was
like.
J
Oh,
she
just
did
this
five
minutes
ago,
but
I'm
going
to
send
it
to
her
and
then
I
kind
of
put
it
over
to
the
side.
So
I
don't
remember
what
you
know
what
my
vote
on
that
was,
but
I
I
do
appreciate
that
because
I
think
I
think
that
it
is
important
for
us
to
think
about
ambient
light,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
for
us
to
remember
that
lighting
is
not
always
a
bad
thing.
I
mean
if
you
I've
watched.
J
I
walked
home
from
the
city
down
that
way
several
times
after
dark
and
and
I
appreciate
having
that
those
new
lights
up
near
that
condo
and
stuff
like
that.
So.
A
A
D
H
B
F
Find
out
I'd
kind
of
like
to
know
what
the
noise
ordinance
is
too,
just
because
we
know
a
local
business
owner
who
feels
like
he's
he's
being
persecuted
on
a
regular
basis
as
a
owner
of
tarpon
strings
and
they're.
Just
he
built
a
big
patio
to
be
able
to
have
concerts
on
friday
nights
or
certain
nights
of
the
weekend
and
is
constantly
having
the
police
called
on
him,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
ordinance
is.
So
I
wasn't
even
able
to
say
anything
about
it.
D
J
J
F
C
Okay,
so
our
to-do's
are
to
look
about
to
check
on
the
noise
and
the
light
ordinance
what
we've
got
and
then
I've
I've
added
action
to
in
there
as
a
placeholder
for
for
now
all
right.
So
next
item
is
be2:
community
water
systems
and
outcomes.
One
three
and
four
all
got
four
votes,
so
all
three
of
those
are
in
for
for
the
outcomes
and
then
for
the
local
actions.
C
There
were
five
of
them,
so
one
which
is
adopted,
jurisdiction,
wide
management
plan
for
drinking
water,
supply,
wastewater
and
stormwater,
and
some
of
these
we
may
have
so
I
just
you
know
I'm
putting
that
in
there
that
you
know
we
may
need
to
you
know.
We
may
realize
that
we
have
some
of
these
action.
C
Two
is
adopt
policies
to
ensure
that
jurisdiction
has
the
authority
to
enact
water
conservation
measures
during
periods
of
drought,
which
again,
I
think
we
might
and
then
seven,
which
is
create
programs
to
guarantee
provisions
of
water
for
low-income
residents,
eight
manage
and
upgrade
infrastructure
to
reduce
leaks
in
the
drinking
water
system,
which
we
were
just
talking
about.
Well,
I
guess
we
were
talking
about
sewer,
not
drinking
water
but
eliminate
contaminants
and
achieve
other
local
conservation
goals
and
then
local
action.
11
is
facility
and
infrastructure
improvements.
C
A
Do
well
it's
protection
program,
so
we're
required
to
have
and
that's
protecting
the
land
use
around
our
wells
and
making
sure
so
there.
That
is
a
dress,
and
I'm
surprised
that
that
action
11
doesn't
include
that
wording.
Just
know
that
we,
you
know
a
lot
of
these
things,
aren't
just
good
ideas
but
they're
actually
regulated.
D
Yes,
so
paul,
I
have
a
question
about
what
was
the
action
about
ensure
that
residents
have
safe
drinking
water?
Was
there
one
that's
or
said
something
along
those
lines.
D
D
Yes,
our
water
is
fine,
but
to
protect
residents
who
live
in
older,
neighborhoods
or
older
homes
to
make
sure
that
what
comes
out
of
their
tap
is
not
lead
contaminated
or
does
not
have
other
things
going
on
that
they
need
to
be
aware
of,
because
we
can
have.
We
can
have
surety
about
our
own
water
supply,
but
I
don't
know
what's
coming
out
of
my
tap.
So
is
there
any
kind
of
a
water
testing,
a
water
testing
program
that
we
could
provide?
D
D
A
Let
me
go
back
to
the
first
part,
it's
an
excellent
question
and
yes,
the
epa
regulates
this
and
they
do
a
very
good
job
of
addressing
exactly
what
you
talked
about.
In
fact,
the
program
requires
us
to
take
samples
from
customers,
kitchen
sinks,
to
address
that
very
issue,
and
we
have
to
get
customers
to
volunteer.
A
In
fact,
I've
been
a
volunteer
for
several
years,
but
they
do
they
go
through
a
lot
of
lengths
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
representative
sample,
in
other
words
they
make
they
review
our
sites
and
make
sure
some
include
older
homes
so
that
we
could
catch
those
galvanized
or
other
types
of
materials,
and
I
will
say
the
results
and
they
even
give
instructions
to
the
customer.
You
you
need
to
take
the
sample
first
thing
in
the
morning
after
the
water
sat
in
the
pipe
all
night
long,
don't
flush
it
right.
A
You
know
worst
case,
it's
all
worst
case
and
the
results
I
mean
we
did
fantastic
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
them
with
you
all,
but
they
do
it
all
by
95th,
percentile
kind
of
thing,
and
you
know
all
the
samples,
the
95th
percent.
If
you
sorted
them
all
the
the
top
95
percent
number
has
to
be
less
than
a
certain
thing,
and
I
I
want
to
say
we
are
like
a
factor
of
five
or
more
or
less
than
the
requirement.
A
A
Yeah
and
we
actually
put
a
thing
out
to
the
public
about
how
to
we
don't
provide
lead
testing
for
people,
but
you
know
if
you're
concerned
about
it,
here's
filters
and
we
actually
went
to
home
depot
and
wrote
down
all
the
ones
that
are
available
and
we
said
you
can
get
these
models.
If
you
want
to
filter
let
out-
and
you
know
that
sort
of
thing-
they're,
not
real
high
cost.
B
A
D
C
Are
we
good
with
water?
Yes,
we're
with
water
systems.
Next
is
complete
communities,
so
there
were
not
any.
There
were
three
votes
as
the
highest
for
outcomes.
There
were
a
couple
of
the
local
actions,
so
local
action,
one
is
demonstrate
that
the
comprehensive
plan
supports
compact
and
mixed-use
development.
C
Again,
I
think
I
think
we
do
have
that
provision
and
our
client
plan
so
with
that,
may
wind
up
being
a
non
issue,
but
I
think
we
leave
it
in
for
now
and
then
three,
which
is
identify
areas
appropriate
for
compact
misuse,
development
on
the
community's
official
future
land
use
map,
and
then
there
was
one
that
that
did
not
make
it
in
that
I
wanted
to
raise,
which
is
a
design
review
for
sustainable
implications,
which
one
seven.
H
C
So
I
was
thinking,
maybe
even
like
at
the
trc
process,
having
especially
now
if
we're
gonna
have
a
sustainability
position
having
them
sit
on
that
trc
board
and
just
be
able
to
recommend
like
ideas
for
making
the
project
more
sustainable
and
not
necessarily
like
as
a
stop
gap
or
as
like
a
you
know,
you
know
pumping
the
brakes
on
a
project,
but
just
these
are
some
ways
that
you
could
be
more
sustainable
with
this
particular
project
as
it
goes
through
the
process.
A
I
A
I
B
A
So
I'm
not
so
sure
how
effective
action
7
would
be.
I
know
it
sounds
like
a
good
idea,
but
just
the
way
it
works.
You.
A
D
A
We
could
reword
it
to
just
say
you
know,
review
developments
that
you
know
specific
to
sustainability
codes.
You
know
city
codes
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
good.
C
C
A
whole
new
thing,
but.
A
H
H
For
now
so
that
person
could
could
be
the
person
that
is
familiar
with
the
appropriate
codes
and
would
know
what
development
I
mean
it
would.
I
would
think
that
would
be
part
of
her
job
would
be
to
look
at
what
developments
are
there
and
be
able
to
what
new
developments
are
happening
and
look
at
what's
appropriate
for
sustainability,
I
mean
that's
the
beauty
of
getting
a
person
who
is
the
sustainability
coordinator.
B
B
C
I
just
added
at
the
end
all
right.
There
we
go
moving
on
housing,
affordability.
We
did
not
have
any
outcomes.
C
All
right
moving
on
to
infill
and
redevelopment,
there
were
no
outcomes
that
were
consensus
and
there
were
for
the
local
actions,
local
action,
one
develop
an
inventory
of
infill,
previously
developed,
brownfield
or
gray
field
sites
of
greatest
priority
and
potential
for
development
or
redevelopment.
B
F
You
look
at
the
is
it
manitou.
F
I
that
I
was
unclear
about,
but
I
did
want
to
talk
about
that
because
before
you
develop
a
new
virgin
area
of
the
city,
it
seems
really
important
to
redevelop
these
asphalt
films
that
we
have
setting
fallow.
You
know,
but
I
will
try
to
find
the
distinctions,
grayfield
and
brownfield
yeah.
C
F
Says
brownfield
redevelopment
can
transform
abandoned
and
underused
sites
and
to
community
and
economic
assets
such
as
parks
and
plazas.
So
it's
just
undeveloped,
but
mixed-use
developments
in
homes,
brownfield
properties
are
often
centrally
located
in
areas
where
infrastructure
is
already
available,
which
can
make
them
valuable
properties
for
development.
C
So
then,
action
item
two
is
develop:
an
inventory
of
existing
public
infrastructure
assets,
current
infrastructure
conditions
and
priorities
for
maintenance
or
rehabilitation
action
item
four
is
use
regulatory
and
design
strategies
to
encourage
compatible,
infill
and
redevelopment
with
a
mix
of
housing
types
and
neighborhoods
close
to
employment,
centers
commercial
areas
and
where
public,
transit
or
transportation
alternatives
exist.
C
I've
got
five
votes
as
well
and
that's
perform
proactive
zoning
enforcement
and
vacant
lot
cleanup
or
maintenance
to
improve
the
attractiveness
of
of
a
redevelopment
or
blighted
area
and
to
deter
crime
and
then
action
item
11
was
also
in
there
and
that's
target
local
infrastructure
improvements
to
underserved
and
blighted
areas
to
revitalize
redevelopment
and
catalyze
private
investment,
and
my
concern
with
with
action
item
11
I
didn't
select,
it
is,
is
like
gentrification
like.
C
C
Sure
so
it's
target
local
infrastructure
improvements
to
under
served
and
blighted
areas
to
read
of
re
to
revitalize
redevelopment
and
catalyze
private
investment.
C
C
C
F
We
say
about
nine:
it's
financial
incentives
to
incentives
to
encourage
infill
and
redevelopment
like
the
the
area
that
we
were
discussing
before
the
plaza
is
that
is
that
relate
to
that.
A
J
D
B
J
I
thought
it
was
both
sides
yeah
and
I
don't
know
either,
but
if
it's
not
even
if
it's
within
the
cra
would
that
be
budgeted
with
with
cra
dollars
or
would
it
be
budgeted
city
dollars
for
improving
that
that
would
be.
That
would
where
would
that
find
that
where
would
that
incentive
come
from?
I
guess
is
that.
C
D
J
It
up
to
speed
as
well
as
you
know,
things
like
they
did
with
silver
king.
J
B
J
A
Dr
robinson,
had
it
right
it,
the
cra
goes
down
to
mirrors
to
the
south,
but
it
also
is
pretty
wide.
It's.
G
A
On
the
east
side
of
safford
all
the
way
over
to
almost
banana
street
on
the
west
of
19.,
and
it
continues
all
the
way
up
to
the
alt-19
bridge
south.
D
Side
on
the
east
side
of
it
around
manatee
village.
How
far
does
it
go.
B
A
H
So
dory
back
to
action,
11.
E
H
H
G
H
I
mean
some
people
in
the
black
community
say
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
redeveloped
everyone
moves
up,
but
a
lot
of
people
have
to
move
out.
So
this
has
become
a
real
issue
and
I've
seen
that
happen.
But
yet
there
needed
to
be
redevelopment.
There
needed
to
be
banks
that
were
willing
to
give
loans.
They
still
don't
have
a
grocery
store
because
the
grocery
stores
have
been
in
and
then
they
leave
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
crimes
stealing
and
loitering.
H
So
I
mean
it's
a
difficult
situation:
saint
pete
has
worked
very
hard
and
they've
gotten
good
city
council
people
from
that
area,
but
it's
very
challenging
to
do
the
redevelopment
get
the
investment,
because
people
who
invest
want
to
return
and
not
have
gentrification,
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
do
that.
I
think
it's
necessary
and
I
think
in
the
end
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
really
good
thing,
but
it's
difficult.
B
F
Is
frightening
because
anytime
there's
private
investment
there
needs
to
be,
it
needs
to
be
compensated,
you
know
and
then
the
rents
go
up,
but
I
think
that
that's
an
excellent
addition
to.
H
D
That
said
that
that
protects
the
character
of
neighborhoods.
That
kind
of
stops
that
from
people
coming
in
and
changing
everything,
especially
along
what
can
bayou
where
there's,
although
you
still
have
the
vista,
you
still
have
those
low-level
homes
so
that
there's
not
really
a
danger
of
all
those
houses
being
torn
down
and
putting
up
giant.
You
know
homes
everywhere,
I'm
pretty
sure,
there's
something
like
that
in
place.
But
I
wonder
if
that,
if
that
ordinance
would
somehow
apply
to
this
as
well,
that
keeps
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
C
Moving
on
public
park
land
so
outcome,
one
about
the
acreage
received
four
votes,
so
that's
in
and
then
for
local
actions.
There
are
quite
a
few.
G
J
J
Who
was
it?
Somebody
came
and
spoke
to
us,
and
I
can't
I'm
racking
my
brain
right
now
and
I
can't
remember
this
information
is
out
there.
I
just
wasn't
able
to
pull
it
back
up.
Somebody
was
discussing
community.
J
I
think,
somewhere
within
her
conversation
with
us,
this
information
was
out
there
like.
J
Parks
versus
city
parks
versus
county
parks
and
the
population
that
lived
within,
I
I
don't
mind,
running
back
and
trying
to
find
that
information.
I
just
didn't
at
that
time.
C
I
looked
it
up
today,
so
there's
a
distinction.
I
think
what
she
was
presenting
was
green
space
versus
park,
heart
and,
and
there
is
a
distinction
like
parks.
Well
like
soccer
fields.
Baseball
versus,
like
green
space
is
just
an
open
area
and
a
neighborhood.
J
Okay,
I
I
just
I
recall
only
only
because
they
did
this.
Oh,
we
were
all
in
quarantine.
Go
find
all
these
parks
in
tarpon
springs,
yeah.
C
J
There
were
way
more
parks
in
turkmen
springs
than
I
was
aware
of
you
know,
and
so
it
that
led
me
to
kind
of
go
back
to
that
parkland
right
and
the
number
of
people
around
in
the
community,
those
residents,
the
and
the
definite
the
distinction
between
the
community
parks
versus
the
city
park
versus
the
county
parks,
so
ver
as
opposed
to
green
space.
So
I
I
thought
she
had
a
distinction
between
the
parkland,
but
I
could
be
very
wrong.
A
And
going
back
to
dober
dr
robinson's
question
was
you
wanted
to
know
what
the
definition
is
for
high
population
density,
or
is
there
a
number
on
it?
Yeah.
B
A
I
think
it's
as
a
relative
term,
otherwise
I
think
they
would
have
defined
it.
I
I
would
say
it's
interesting
what
what
the
trend
is
here,
as
you
go
to
lower
population
more
rural.
A
It's
interesting
opposite
of
what
I
would
have
thought,
but
I
I
know
that
I've
heard
it
said
right
that
pinellas
county
is
the
most
densely
populated
county
in
the
state.
H
I
C
H
C
H
C
H
G
H
J
C
We're
at
7
30.,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
rein
in
the
side.
Conversations
got
it
so
action
three
is
adopt
regulatory
strategies
or
development
incentives
to
create,
maintain
and
connect
public
park.
Land
four
adopt
site,
sign
guidelines
for
new
public
parklands
and
improvements
to
existing
facilities,
to
strengthen
environmental
benefits
and
provide
visitor
amenities.
C
A
C
All
right
and
then
our
last
section
transportation
choices.
There
were
no
outcomes,
there
were
a
bunch
of
local
actions,
so
the
first
is
adopt
a
bicycle
and
or
pedestrian
master
plan
that
prioritizes
future
projects
to
improve
safety
and
access
to
non-motorized
transportation
and
connects
to
public
transit
action.
2
adopt
a
complete
streets
policy
that
addresses
all
users
applies
to
all
projects
with
limited
exceptions
and
include
specific
next
steps
for
implementation.
C
B
C
A
As
he's
moving
over,
there
dory
I'd
like
to
ask
for
meeting
if
we
could
look
at
the
agenda
after
this
item
to
get
to
the
discussion
on
the
sustainability
job
description,
I'm
just
not
so
sure
we're
going
to
get
too
much
farther
past
this
one.
So
I
just
want
you
to
think
about
that.
If
we
could
possibly
accomplish
the
feedback
at
this
meeting,
it
would
be.
G
This
is
in
material
that
dr
karen
boulter
and
I
presented
to
this
committee
last
november.
I
believe,
and
then
we
presented
again
to
the
board
of
commissioners
about
six
weeks
ago.
The
board
has
talked
about
putting
a
boardwalk
or
a
walkway
or
a
parkway
along
the
here
along
the.
G
A
G
C
G
We
talked
with
the
board
about
much
of
the
shore
along
whitcombe.
Bayou
is
at
or
below
three
three
feet
above
sea
level,
so
this
is
an
issue.
G
This
is
flooding
from
october
15th
couple
years
ago,
not
because
of
a
storm
just
because
of
high
tide
and
as
it
turns
out,
it
wasn't
a
high
tide
that
month,
which
occurred
nine
days
earlier.
This
is
just
high
tide,
flooding
and,
as
you
know,
we're
anticipating
a
good
deal
more
of
that.
This
is
the
low
point
along
that
street,
but
it
really
doesn't
matter
because
the
the
land
is
three
feet
or
below
erosion.
G
G
There?
Okay,
these
old
palm
trees,
are
leaning
into
the
bayou
and
they
will
be
lost
because
they're
being
undermined
on
the
water
side.
Another
view
of
that
this
is
again
the
west
shore.
Okay,
there
are
two
most
common
ways
in
which
municipalities
etc.
Deal
with
flooding
and
deal
with
erosion,
the
most
common
by
far
in
the
united
states,
is
the
bulkhead,
the
one
all
the
way
to
the
right
there.
It
is,
but
those
break
down
over
time.
G
The
most
common
green
creation
is
this
breakwater
of
usually
oyster
shells
in
bags,
sometimes
granite
boulders
in
the
water.
And
then
you
can
see
the
vegetation
in
there
in
green.
G
There
are
different
disadvantages
to
bulkheads,
they
reflect
wave
energy
right
and
when
they
do
that,
they
erode
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
waterway.
They
don't
absorb
wave
energy
at
all.
In
contrast,
green
infrastructure,
in
this
case,
we're
talking
about
a
liver
living
shoreline,
absorbs
50
percent,
sometimes
more
of
wave
energy.
G
They
also,
if
you're,
using
oyster
shells
or
other
these.
These
are
not.
These
are
they're
bags
of
old
oyster
shells,
but
they
tend
to
recolonize
and
the
colonies
that
that
find
territories
and
niches
in
there
filter
the
water
and
clean
the
water.
G
The
other
interesting
thing
is
that
living
shorelines,
like
this
composed
of
vegetation
plus
bivalves
and
other
organisms
absorb
carbon
dioxide.
They
absorb
more
carbon
dioxide
than
than
freshwater
marsh.
They
absorb
more
carbon
dioxide
than
a
comparable
acre
of
forest,
or
even
rain
forest,
in
fact,
one
square
mile,
as
it
shows
there
on
the
on
the
left-hand
side
of
salt
marsh
stores,
the
equivalent
of
76
000
gallons
of
gasoline,
and
they
do
it
every
year.
G
That's
an
interesting
how
that
works:
okay,
okay!
This
is
a
typical
living
shoreline.
This
these
happen
to
be
bags
of
oyster
shells
and
the
water
has
to
get
in
to
nourish
your
your.
G
Good
question
they're
they're
typically
made
out
of
nylon,
but
they
can
be
made
out
of
absorbable
material
too.
G
H
G
This
is,
this
is
smooth
cord
grass,
which
increases
in
thickness
and
density
over
time.
It
also
accretes
soil
and
detritus,
and
so
it
raises
naturally
over
time
against
gravity.
G
G
Oyster
shells,
or
some
other
semi-natural
with
cord
grass
or
you
can
use
granite,
interestingly
enough
because
there
are
granite,
rip-rap
boulders
along
that
shore,
which
could
be
moved
offshore
into
the
water
and
used
as
your
breakwater.
This
is
just
another
version
of
of
a
living
shoreline
that
has
the
granite,
plus
cord
grass,
so
living
shorelines,
probably
won't
work
in
craig
park,
probably
won't
work
in
spring
value,
it's
too
narrow
and
probably
not
aesthetically,
pleasing
but
there's
another
solution.
G
This
is
something
that
was
shown
to
this
committee
by
the
sustainability
coordinator
from
sarasota,
and
these
man-made
concrete
structures
can
be
attached
to
sea
walls,
man-made
sea
walls
below
the
water
line
and
over
time
they
in
turn
colonize
and,
ultimately,
you
clean
the
water
with
the
bivalves
that
colonize
and
the
other
one
is
some
of
the
colonized.
This
is
a
volvo
corporation's
approach
to
a
living
sea
wall,
commercial
structures,
the
biggest
installation
of
these
is
in
the
port
of
sydney.
G
Australia
it'll
be
interesting
over
time
to
see
the
difference
in
water
quality
as
this
takes
hold,
and
the
fish
and
wildlife
commission
in
florida
is
developing
a
living
shorelines
course
for
contractors.
G
That
was
the
end
of
my
part
of
the
presentation,
and
then
karen
bolter,
who
is
a
senior
planner,
has
a
degree
in
it's.
Well,
it's
it's
not
climate
science,
but
it's
something
analogous
to
climate
science
from
florida,
atlantic
university
gave
a
presentation
on
a
brick
grant
program
which
stands
for
building
resilient
infrastructure
and
communities.
G
Fema
has
realized
that
when
they
get
into
the
endless
loop
of
disaster
impacts
and
rebuilding
all
they're
doing
is
throwing
good
money
after
bad.
So
the
brick
program
is
an
approach
in
which
you
insert
preventative
measures
in
the
form
of
grants
that
municipalities,
counties,
etc
can
apply
for
and
stop
the
cycle
of
disaster
impact
rebuild.
G
G
The
amount
in
the
brick
program
is
1
billion,
with
a
b
dollars
this
year
and
it's
expected
to
go
up
plus
the
biden
administration
has
kicked
an
additional
3.5
billion
into
the
mix,
which
will
be
not
in
brick
but
will
be
in
other
grant
programs.
Well.
Okay,
arcadis
was
which
is
the
the
corporation
based
in
the
netherlands,
but
they
have
a
strong
presidency
in
the
united
states,
and
it's
particularly
in
florida
has
a
pretty
good
track
record
in
getting
federal
money
like
this
5
billion
for
their
clients
in
the
last
7
years.
G
G
Who
is
the
resilience
officer
for
the
county,
and
you
know
he
said,
among
other
things,
brick
is
probably
something
that
is,
that
would
be
more
difficult
to
get
than
a
community
development
block
grant
mitigation
grant.
We
should
definitely
put
together
a
group
of
people,
including
paul
smith,
and
go
after
at
least
a
cdbg
mitigation
grant.
G
Personally,
I
think
we
should
do
both.
We
have
the
offer
of
arcadis
as
help.
I
don't
think
we
should
look
that
gift
horse
in
the
mouth.
My
opinion:
okay,
okay,
I'm
going
to
stop
at
that
point.
A
If
I
could
add,
because
this
is
very
timely-
I
I
thank
you
dr
robinson
for
this,
because
it's
working
very
well
with
what
the
board
of
commissioners
asked
for.
If
I
could
just
take
a
quick
minute
and
read
to
the
group
the
motion
from
the
board,
I
think
it
might
help
frame
all
this
for
you,
because
they're
asking
for
your
input
too.
A
This
is
a
draft
memo
we're
putting
together
we're
looking
to
put
this
in
front
of
the
board
on
august
24th
to
because
they
asked
us
to
come
back
with
a
plan.
So
this
is
very
draft.
But
the
summary
was,
at
the
june
8th,
regular
session,
the
board
of
commissioners,
the
boc
considered
and
discussed
options
and
alternatives
to
address
the
subject
area.
Whitcomb
boulevard.
Specifically,
the
commission
was
interested
in
at
that
time:
pedestrian
and
aesthetics
of
the
revetment
area.
A
As
a
result,
the
board
of
commissioners
asked
city
staff
to
analyze,
alternatives,
delivery
methods
and
funding
opportunities
for
a
comprehensive
approach
to
addressing
the
area
staff
was
directed
to
work
with
turn
the
tide
for
tarpon
and
the
city
sustainability
committee
for
input
as
well.
So
I'm
hoping
to
accomplish
that
second
part
tonight,
still
figuring
out
how
I
need
to
do
the
turn
the
tide
input,
but
maybe
you
can
help
me
figure
it
out.
Well,
maybe
it's
a
two-for-one
deal
here.
A
B
A
So
one
of
the
ideas
on
the
table
is
to
hire
arcadis
through
cardinal
who's,
our
engineer
of
record,
so
it
would
sub
them
basically
for
ten
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
to
prepare
a
grant
application
to
seek
planning
funds.
So
this
idea
would
be
to
go
for
a
planning
project.
First,
complete
the
planning
phase,
which
could
include
public
involvement
and
come
up
with
the
various
alternatives.
A
A
So
that's
one
approach
is
to
do
an
initial
grant
application
for
planning.
Do
the
planning
get
the
public
involvement
and
then
form
a
grant
to
do
the
construction
from
that?
The
other
idea
is
to
go
right
into
hiring
arcadis
through
cardinal
again
for
about
40
000,
to
prepare
a
technical
feasibility
and
alternative
analysis.
A
C
So
it
sounds
like
there's
two
options:
one
is
fifteen
thousand
dollar
expenditure
to
do
kind
of
a
planning
phase
and
then
seek
construction
grant
or
forty
thousand
dollar
technical
feasibility
study.
That's
more
technical,
exactly
what
would
happen
with
the
construction?
Would
it
make
it
more
likely
that
we
get
the
funding
if
we
have
that
more
technical
aspect
worked
out.
A
You
know
that
part
really
wasn't
addressed.
I
think
that's
a
great
question
and
and
at
any
point,
dr
robinson,
if
you've
got
something
to
add,
because
you've
been
working
on
this
much
more
closely
than
I
have
the
difference
between
the
two
that
I
see
is.
The
first
option
might
take
longer
okay
by
a
couple
of
years,
but
it
might
be
more
thorough
on
the
planning
side
option
two,
if
we're
looking
to
get
more
rapid
results,
would
price,
like
I
said,
shave,
maybe
a
year
or
two
off,
and
get
right
to
that
construction.
F
This
company
has
a
lot
of
experience,
though,
and
given
what
I
know
about
subcontractors
who
have
worked
for
the
city
and
different
projects
that
were
a
major
letdown
and
me
and
a
lot
more
expensive
than
they
were
anticipated.
I
would
my
my
vote
would
be
to
go
with
the
experts
that
have
dealt
with
this
type
of
challenge
already,
and
they
know
what
they're
doing.
A
H
K
Very
quickly
motion
to
extend
the
meeting.
D
Okay,
yeah,
so
that
might
be
if,
if
there's
a
hesitancy
about
not
having
community
input,
maybe
build
that
into
this
part
too.
But
I
agree
that
that
it's
very
timely.
I
agree
that
fema.
If
they're
looking
for
partners,
we
could
step
up
and
be
a
wonderful
partner
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
build
that
relationship
yeah.
I
think
that
to
what
two
years
for
a
planning
grant
is
just
too
long
and
then
get
into
another
thing,
so
fifteen
thousand
dollars
versus
forty
thousand
dollars
to
move
things
along
more
quickly.
So
my
I
would
like
option.
A
Well,
no,
I
I
hear
you
and
I
that's
fine
with
me.
I
I
appreciate
you
all
having
a
consensus
and
giving
us
some
direction
that
we
can
forward
on.
I
will
say
one
thing
that
I'd
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see,
but
something
I
think
that
we
might
see
with
this
project
is
it.
It
has
to
be
substantial
enough,
dr
robinson,
when
he
introduced
this
said
that
fema's
interested
in
projects
that
are
going
to
make
a
difference
in
terms
of
avoiding
damage
that
they
have
to
pay
for.
A
D
B
A
Going
to
be
like
you
might
not
be
able
to
see
parts
of
the
water
depending
where
you
stand
and
we
just
all
it
needs
to
happen
yeah.
But
we
got
to
make
sure
we
bring
the
property
owners
along
with
us
and
is.
D
C
J
We're
talking
yeah
well,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
extensive
education
in
the
community
because,
if
you
think
just
think,
along
with
home,
where,
when
the
sidewalk
was
being
put
in.
J
J
J
Is
important
my
question?
Maybe
I'm
making
this
very
very
simplistic,
and
I
don't
maybe
I
don't
understand
this-
the
40
000
one
that
includes
the
tech.
A
D
I
have
a
question
about
arcadis
and
working
with
fema,
so,
if
we're
looking
to
form
a
long-term
partnership
with
fema
or
to
be
one
of
those
coastal
sites,
that
they're
interested
in
continually
working
with
could
arcadis
give
us
a
future
vision
of
here's,
here's
the
whitcomb
project,
but
where
else
in
the
city
we
could
do
this.
How
could
we
make
this
interesting
to
fema
or
make
this.
G
D
G
B
G
Craig
park,
possibly
you
know
around
around
the
the
bayou,
but
possibly
all
the
way
to
sunset.
C
H
I
think
that
that
becomes
my
question,
so
I
live
on
a
bayou
and
you
know
we
have
riff
raff
and
we
have
mangroves,
so
we
have
a
sort
of
and
we
have
oysters.
So
my
question
is
so
you're.
You
know
I
can
hear
the
day
so
why
we
can
buy
you
getting
it.
You
know
cramer
value,
we
flood
too.
So
why
aren't
we
having
it?
So
one
of
the
questions
would
be
from
how
could
what's
being
learned
here
be
be
communicated
to
other.
H
So
I
could,
you
know,
build
up
my
shore
better
if
I
were
provided
with
information
and
communication
from
what's
being
developed
there.
So
how
do
I
get
oysters?
To
I
mean
I
think
our
oysters
are
already
growing,
but
how
could
I
do
that?
And-
and
I
would
think
fema
would
like
that,
because
you
know
we
all
have
to
have
flood
insurance
and
so
on
so
and
so
in
a
way
that
the
rest
of
the
community
feels
like
they're.
H
Not
being
you
know
not
getting
attention
and,
and
so
the
we
can
all
be
educated
and
then
it
could
be
phase
two
or.
J
B
J
A
A
E
G
Paul
a
couple
questions
who
gets
information
on
repetitive
loss
properties?
Does
it
come
to
the
city
manager?
Does
it
come
to
one
of
the
departments
to
the
the
field
specialist
for
the
city
get
who
gets
that
information.
A
D
F
G
The
other
thing
that
people
don't
know
is
that
fema
is
going
to
come
out
with
recommendations
on
insurance
for
places
like
some
of
the
homes
and
and
businesses
along
tarpon,
which
is
going
to
shock
everybody.
How
much
more
things
are
going
to
cost?
J
Yeah,
when
they
were,
they
were
discussing
the
bigger
waters
and
no
longer
subsidizing
your
flood
insurance,
and
you
know
people
started
to
panic
because
you
know
your
flood
insurance
might
have
been.
Fifteen
hundred
dollars
goes
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
or
what
have
you?
And
I
think
that
you
know
that's
when
they
started
talking
about
not
rebuilding
homes
down
in
the
keys
and
what
have
you
and
just
not
issuing
permits
to
people
homeowners
because
they
were
repetitive,
but
I
agree
with
paul.
I
don't
know
that
that's
public
information.
A
G
Is
there
any
downside
to
the
40,
000
feasibility
study,
technical
and
feasibility
study
that
you
see.
A
A
G
A
J
I
think,
as
as
long
as
legally,
there
is
the
correct
amount
of
time
between
you
know
whether
it's
readings
and
and
public
input.
As
long
as
you
put
it
out
there,
I
don't,
I
don't
see
a
downside
to
doing
it
in
that
time
frame.
It
just
means
that
the
community
needs
to
be
aware
and
get
their
input
in
sooner.
You
know,
as
long
as
like
I
said,
we
follow
the
legal
guidelines
to.
A
A
A
I
could
just
ask:
does.
C
J
A
Please-
and
this
can
be
as
short
as
you
all
want
it
to
be,
but
the
city
manager
did
want
to
hear
back
from
you.
You
know
there
was
I
put
in
your
backup.
You
wanted
me
to
get
this
back
to
you
that
markup
that
also
went
to
the
board,
and
I
think
the
budget
advisory
committee
also
weighed
in
at
the
board's
request.
A
H
A
A
Four
through
27
or
something
I
think
so,
the
markup
is
in
your
backup,
it's
the
red
lines.
Hopefully
everybody
got
a
chance
to
see
that.
H
A
In
summary,
at
the
july
29th
budget
workshop,
the
board
provided
consensus
to
move
forward
with
a
sustainability
coordinator
position
for
the
fiscal
year
22
budget
consistent
with
the
budget
advisory
committee
recommendation,
the
city
manager
has
prepared
a
final
draft
markup,
that's
the
red
font
and
the
markups
of
the
job
description
based
on
the
most
recent
committee
comments.
That's
what
that
was
his
starting
point
and
he
wanted
to
have
any
further
thoughts
with
the
hope
that
we
can
move
forward
together.
I
know
that
the
committee
wanted
it
at
a
director
level.
A
I
think
there's
been
some
compromise
here
to
accomplish.
Basically,
almost
all
of
the
comments
that
you
all
made
were
maintained.
Really
the
main
difference
is
just
what
the
title
is
and
who
it
reports
to
the
board
of
commissioners
wanted
it
to
be
in
the
public
services
department.
B
A
B
A
B
B
A
They
would
report
to
me,
but
you
know,
as
the
city
manager
said
it's
going
to
have
his
full
support.
He
mentioned
in
the
board
meeting
his
feeling
with
community
policing.
He
used
that
as
an
example.
He
had
a
great
success
with
having
a
position,
but
also
having
that
working
with
all
the
departments.
You.
A
Into
all
the
programs-
and
he
sees
that
same
thing
here
so
with
this
approach-
you
all
your
recommendations,
have
someone
focused
on
it
full
time?
That's
what
you'd
have
here,
but
it
would
be
working.
You
know,
within
a
department,
but
also
coordinating
with
other
departments,
with
the
full
support
of
the
city
manager.
So
I
think
it
really
is
a
good
combination,
but
if
there's
any
comments
on
the
edits
be
happy
to
bring
them
back.
D
Right
up
from
where
it
says,
essential
functions
that
paragraph
the
underlying
paragraph
between
the
strikeout
and
the
bottom
of
that
paragraph,
it
says,
establishes
and
fosters
collaboration,
blah
blah.
Let's
see
what
am
I
looking
at
the
first
sentence
incumbent
implements
and
updates
the
sustainability
action
plan
by
setting
targets
and
objectives,
targets
and
objectives
shouldn't
it
be
goals
and
objectives
or
objectives,
aren't
targets,
objectives
and
goals,
or
I
mean
isn't
that
the
same
thing
or
yeah.
A
D
K
C
C
H
Well,
it
says
it's
going
to
implement
and
update
the
sustainability
action
plan
by
setting,
so
it
is
giving
this
person.
A
A
A
Well,
that's
exactly
what
we
thought
and
that's
why
it's
a
great
segue
you'll
see
in
here
some
of
the
things
we
added
back
in
is
and
works
with
city
staff
and
others.
You
know
to
do
these
sorts
of
things,
because
I
don't
think
we
can
expect
one
person
right
to
know
it
all
or
do
it
all,
because
you've
got
so
many
elements
in
this
planning
elements.
Engineering
elements,
so
I
think
we're
not
wanting
to
scare
off
a
candidate
by
them
going
gulp.
B
H
Person
is
the
head
of
a
sort
of
department
in
a
way
and
has
people
she
needs
to
ask
for
assistance
and
to
delegate.
I
see
what
you
do
dory.
Are
you
looking
funny.
A
D
A
F
A
Yeah
the
thought
there
was
we
didn't
want
to
presume
yet
like
what
we're
going
to
be
calling
that
plan.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
green
fleet
plan,
but
it
is
going
to
be
an
action
plan
to
reduce
the
emissions
from
the
green
fleet,
so
it
just
seemed
a
little
too
prescriptive
this
early
in
the
process.
So.
A
Yes,
so
the
comment
on
32,
the
purpose
of
that
was
the
same
as
earlier.
Where
originally
it
looked
like,
we
were
asking
this
one
person
to
identify
historic
structures
and
preservation
and
develop
preservation
plan
and
all
these
things
that
that's
a
expertise
that
I
don't
think
the
average
sustainability
person
is
going
to
have.
So
we
reworded
that
to
say
works
within
the
framework
with
city
staff
and
other
stakeholders
to
do
these
things.
H
H
H
D
H
D
H
A
No
and
he's
not
a
director
either
and
that's
a
great
example
ashley
and
him
were
able
to
get
all
this
information
really
not
to
get
involved.
I
mean
when
the
organization
is
working
together
and
that's
the
city.
Manager's
role
is
to
set
the
tone
up
front
and
say
you
know
this
stuff's
got
to
happen.
Yep
yeah.
K
I
see
what
you're
saying,
though,
with
the
whole,
like
you
kind
of,
want
it
to
be
prescriptive
and
they're
like
explicitly
stated
like
they
can,
because
assuming
like
it's,
assuming
that
everyone's
on
board
and
everyone's
doing
teamwork,
but
it's
not
kind
of
I
don't
know.
I
see
where
you're
going
with
that,
though,
maybe
say
that
we,
the
position,
would
serve
like
under
this
board
or
something
I
don't
know
exactly
how
to
like.
Also
like
we
carry
out
what
they
want
us
to
do,
what
we
would
want
them
to
do.
B
J
It
it
is
kind
of
the
to
me.
It
looks
like
the
central
hub
and
you're
coordinating
the
different
things
underneath
the
different
departments
and
and
kind
of
analyzing
those
things
and
well.
No,
I
mean,
I
think,
you're
doing
a
lot
a
lot
of
that
right
now
when
it's
like
you
know,
shoot.
We
can't
move
forward
on
this
because
we
needed
greenhouse
gas
emissions
study.
J
A
D
A
A
J
I
mean
if
it
looks
overwhelming
the
only
thing
I
I
it
does.
I
agree
like
if
I,
if
I
read
this
I'd,
be
like
I'm
not
qualified
for
this.
I'm
not
fine
for
this
and
you
don't
want
to
scare
people
off.
Are
there
any
areas?
And
you
know
I
was
kind
of
going
through
this
myself
and
are
there
any
areas
that
you
could
use
the
phrase
including
but
not
limited
to
and
then
you're
kind
of,
combining
a
few
different
things?
J
That's
a
good
idea
and
you're
not
making
it
super
specific,
because
you're
saying
including
these
things,
but
we're
not
limiting
that
there
might
be
other
aspects
that
are
so
I
I
just,
but
I'm
not
great
at
combining
those.
I
didn't.
D
Well
like
where
it
says,
qualifications,
minimum
and
preferred
under
education
do
something
like
that
under
experience,
or
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
benchmark
would
be
for
how
many
of
those
things
that
they
would,
because
it
also
be
learning
as
they
as
they
do.
This
they'll
be
acquiring
new
skills.
J
Of
sustainability
policies,
plans,
programs
and
initiatives,
and
the
next
one
is
evaluates
policies,
plans,
programs
and
initiatives
generated
by
the
city
departments
or
the
board
of
commissioners
to
determine
the
effect
on
the
city's
sustainability
like
is
there
any
redundancy
any
redundancy
any
any
way
to
you
know,
I'm
just
looking
at.
B
C
J
Okay,
yeah,
I
just
to
me
to
me-
I
mean
we
talked
about
this
before
that.
We
wanted
to
put
everything
in
there
because
we
needed
to
determine
we
needed
to
have
people
understand
the
importance
of
the
this
position
and
why
we
were
so
adamant
about
that,
but
now
and
and
it
is
important-
but
again
I
look
at
that-
and
and
again
this
is
not
my
area
of
expertise
like
this
is
not
what
I
went
to
school
for
so
looking
at
this.
A
Coordinator
right
right
and
I
will
say
I
was
part
of
putting
this
together.
I
took
all
of
the
job
descriptions
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
didn't
leave
anything
out,
so
I
was
pulling
from
clearwaters
dunedins
oldsmars
and
you
know
anytime.
I
saw
something
new
I'd
bring
it
over
right.
So
that's
why
it
looks
pretty
long,
but
that
way
we're
not
leaving
out
there.
H
You
know
someone
who
hasn't
at
least
had
a
master's
degree
been
through
a
lot
more
seems
more
appropriate
to
this
position.
With
all
of
these
responsibilities
and
tasks,
I
mean,
I
think,
if
someone
has
a
bachelor's
degree
as
being
maybe
in
their
20s
and
how
are
they
going
to
come
and
have
this
position
that
is
quite
significant
and
have
the
gravitas
to
get
everybody
together.
B
So
I
don't
think
that,
even
though
it
was
a.
H
J
J
C
J
H
K
J
We
have
a
lot
of
conversations
going
on,
so
nobody
can
hear
anybody
else
talking.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
us
back
together.
A
F
A
F
B
J
D
Lost
all
our,
what
do
you
call?
Oh.
H
B
J
H
B
J
H
We
need
to
get
dory
back,
you
know
my
husband's
down
there.
He
could
follow
paul
driving
her
and
drive
fall
back.
You
want
to
go.
Do
that.
I.
A
E
J
Any
other
because
you're
right,
I
don't
think
we're
in
a
position
to
do
that
now,
aren't
we
we
no
longer
have
a
quorum.
D
J
J
B
K
It's
I
saw
a
few
things
that
are
kind
of
promising.
I
don't
want
to
be
like
a
mosquito
sprayer
or
anything
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
jobs
like
that
out
there,
but
I
want
to
do
like
I
don't
know
consulting
work,
but
you
need
a
lot
of
experience
yeah,
but
now
I've
been
here
for
two
years,
almost
so
that's
kind
of
helping,
I
feel
like
it
seems.
D
K
K
Be
great
but
as
I'm
looking,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
those
sustainability.
Positions
for
like
cities
are
already
kind
of
taken,
because
there's
usually
only
a
couple
people
so
like
what
we've
got
like,
maybe
10
or
so
municipalities.
So
if
each
one
only
had
one,
that's
only
like
10
positions
in
the
whole
county.
So
roughly.
K
D
K
Yeah
I've
I've
it's
been
a
while,
since
I
looked
at
all
the
me,
I've
been
just
looking
at
linkedin
lately.
K
D
D
D
K
So
I'm
applying
yeah,
I'm
just
applying
for
a
bunch
of
stuff.
I
see
on
linkedin,
not
there
aren't
too
many
sustainability
positions
like
it's.
Those.
C
D
A
Yes,
I
just
didn't
want
to
be
too
predicting
what
kind
what
the
plan
is
going
to
be
called.
We
haven't
even
started
working
with
fleet
yet
so
I
I
wanted
to
assure
you,
though,
we're
still
going
to
accomplish
the
goal.
It's
it's
still
in
there.
That
would
be
a
a
plan
to
reduce
the
ghg
emissions
from
city
fleet,
I'm
just
not
so
sure
it's
going
to
be
called
a
green
fleet
plan
or
that's
the
form
it's
going
to
take
that.
C
And
I'm
guessing,
we
don't
necessarily
know
that
some
of
these
other
things
are
going
to
happen
either.
Like
the
plan
to
you
know
any
of
these
a
through
e's,
I
mean
that's,
that's
what
we
have
so
far,
as
so
far
in
the
star
framework
is
what
we're
you
know
in
the
action
plan,
what
we're
working
towards,
but
so
I
would
be
okay.
I
think,
because
I
agree
here
that
we
were
trying
to
like
put
everything
in
so
that
it
was
captured,
but.
B
D
H
And
the
thing
that
happens
is
that
you
want
a
job
description
that
will
attract
a
variety
of
people
and
then,
when
they
come
to
an
interview,
then
you
tell
them
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know,
then
you
can
hand
them
things
and
say
you
know
talk,
and
you
can
talk
about
all
of
this
other.
You
expect
that
a
really
good
job
interview,
at
least
I
think
I
mean
when
I
was
interviewing,
for
you-
know
at
universities,
you'd
go
and
you'd
be
shown
around
and
told
more
about
what
you
do.
A
Yes
to
that
point,
what
we
usually
do
is
we
advertise
the
job
using
that
general
statement,
we
don't
advertise
with
all
that
overwhelming
list
of.
A
One
of
the
questions
we
will
hand
them
this
job
description
and
we
will
ask
them.
You
have
reviewed
this
and
is
this:
are
you
capable
of
performing
these
duties
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
if
you
have
any
concerns
about
it,
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
and
if
they
say
well,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
this
and
that
well.
A
D
So
for
number
32
we're
just
going
to
take,
take
out
the
abcde
and
put
works
with
sustainability
action
plan,
framework
or
star
framework,
or
something
like
that.
C
D
K
K
F
A
A
So
but.
A
A
H
H
D
C
All
right,
so
we
need
to
wrap
up
tonight's
meeting.
So
we've
gotten
through
item
three,
so
we'll
carry
over
member
areas
of
interest
to
the
next
meeting.
D
C
C
B
D
E
If
that's,
what
guys
would
like
to
do?
Do
you
think
you
really.
B
C
Okay,
so
that's
kind
of
items
for
next
agenda
could.
C
By
that,
so
I'm
trying
to
get
an
understanding
of
when
we
are
going
to
be
seeking
community
input
on
the
star
framework
on
our
recommendations
from
the
community,
because
in
order
to
continue
to
move
forward,
we
need
to
get
some
community
input
on
what
we
have
selected
okay
to
be
able
to
move
forward.
So
talking
about
how
and
when
that's
going
to
happen.
Good.
C
Comments-
okay,
briefly,
I
just
wanted
to
be.
I
wanted
to
get
consensus
to
share
that
ipcc
report
with
the
board
of
commissioners
and
then
also
to
all
of
the
candidates,
because,
like
that
report
is
unequivocal,
that
human
influence
and
also
the
accompanying
axios
article
that
was
sent
to
you
all.
Are
you
guys,
okay
with
me,
forwarding
that,
on
to
the
board
of
commissioners
and
saying
we'd
like
you
to
read
this
and
be
aware
of
this?
Yes,
okay,.