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B
Okay,
all
right
so
welcome
to
this
evening's
sustainability
committee
meeting
city
of
tarpon
springs
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
at
6
00
p.m.
This
thursday
january
21st
2021
before
we
get
started,
we
need
to
reconcile
members
that
are
not
present
physically
here.
So
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion.
C
I
will
make
a
motion
and
to
allow
the
denise
menino
member
to
participate
due
to
the
extraordinary
circumstances,
to
excuse
to
excuse
her
from
being
here
in
person
and
attend
via
zoom.
Call
me.
D
C
And
then
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
and
vote
to
allow
the
vice
chair,
dr
robinson,
to
participate
virtually
due
to
un.
Oh
excuse
me
extraordinary
circumstances
and
allow
him
to
participate
via
zoom
call.
E
D
B
All
right
before
we
get
too
far
into
the
agenda,
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
move.
Item.
Number
three.
Excuse
me:
we
do
pull.
Oh,
I
thought.
Yes,
I
thought
we
did
that.
A
B
All
right
now
we're
moving
on
so
I'd
like
to
if
it
would
be
all
right
with
everyone,
move
the
presentation
on
baseline
data
up
under
the
approval
of
minutes,
so
that
then
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
the
from
the
planning
and
zoning
director,
renee
vincent
and
then
follow
right
into
the
discussion
on
natural
systems.
After
that.
B
D
B
D
B
And
we
also
need
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
december
17
2020
meeting,
and
there
is
just
one
correction
that
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
have
carol's
title
as
doctor
amended
in
the
minutes
from
ms.
C
There
there
is
one
section
in
that:
where
there's
a
motion
made
that
you
made,
are
you,
do
you
actually
make
the
motions
when
we
go
through
these,
or
do
you
request
it?
So
I
didn't
know
that
you
made
the
motions,
as
the
chair.
C
You're
at
so
in
there
there
is
a
motion
for
something,
and
it
says
that
you
made
the
motion
in
the
december
minutes.
Do
you
typically
procedurally,
do
you
typically
do
that.
C
I
I
don't
have
the
minutes
up
in
front
of
me,
but
it
was
believed
in
decembers.
D
C
B
A
C
B
It
was
november,
so
we
just
approved
okay,
so
I
guess
we
would
need
to
go
back
because
I
I
did
not
make
that
motion.
I
don't.
C
And
what
page-
and
it
is
on
the
page
two
november
page,
two,
okay,
the
second,
the
second
motion.
Okay,
just
needs
to
be-
I
don't
believe
it
was
you
that
made
it
and
procedurally,
I
don't
believe
that
you
would
make
a
motion
you're.
B
Right
so
for
that
it
should,
it
should
read
your
name,
ms
gallagher
yep.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
sure,
okay,
so
we're
back
to
the
december
minutes.
B
Comments
about
the
december
minutes,
then,
can
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes.
H
B
All
right
so
next
we
have
a
presentation
from
public
services,
department,
baseline
data
and
I
would
like
to
hand
it
off.
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
dory,
so
tommy
kiger
and
I
have
been
working
very
hard
to
get
you
guys,
a
presentation
today,
tommy
kaiger's,
actually
our
wastewater
division
manager
and
so
we'll
be
kind
of
doing
this
together
tonight.
Mark.
If
you
would
please
pull
up
the
presentation,
I
am
having
technical
difficulties
with
my
computer.
D
I
I
I
J
Thank
you
ashley
sure,
chairperson,
larsen
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time
tonight
as
ashley
was
mentioning.
The
the
purpose
of
this
effort
is
to
compile
a
baseline
greenhouse
gas
inventory
for
the
municipal
government
of
the
city.
J
So
many
of
you
might
ask
what
is
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
and
how
would
one
compile
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
and
we're
going
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
how
this
process
is
playing
out?
So
the
first
step
in
assessing
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
of
a
municipal
government
is
to
establish
a
baseline.
You
have
to
pick
a
time
frame
against
which
you're
going
to
compare
for
the
future
and
to
begin
your
overall
effort.
If
you
want
to
improve
on
your
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
J
In
this
case,
we
picked
the
most
recent
completed
fiscal
year
when
this
effort
started
last
fall,
which
was
2019..
The
next
step
is
to
collect
data
on.
Basically,
all
the
sources
of
energy
consumption
within
the
municipal
government
and
in
city
of
tarpon
springs:
that's
primarily
fuel
purchases
and
electricity
purchases
from
duke
energy.
J
The
next
step
is
to
convert
those
various
forms
of
energy
use
into
equivalent
tons
of
co2
emissions,
which
is
the
sort
of
baseline
unit
for
greenhouse
gas
evaluations
from
there.
The
next
step
is
to
forecast
future
emissions
based
on
growth
in
the
city,
make
a
plan
with
goals
to
reduce
emissions
over
time
and
after
you
do
that,
as
you
begin
to
implement
your
plan,
you
monitor
energy
consumption
and
emissions
over
the
years
as
projects
are
implemented
again,
always
comparing
back
to
your
previous
baselines
next
slide.
Please.
J
In
this
case,
we've
elected
to
use
tools
developed
by
ickley,
which
is
an
acronym
for
the
international
council
for
local
environmental
initiatives.
Today,
this
organization,
primarily
just
goes
by
their
acronym
ickley
local
governments,
for
sustainability.
J
Ickley
is
an
international
non-governmental
organization
that
promotes
sustainable
development
at
the
municipal
and
local
level.
It
was
originally
founded
in
1999,
and
its
current
headquarters
is
in
bonn.
Germany.
Currently,
there
are
over
1700
local
government
members
worldwide
and
it's
considered
the
leading
organization
in
its
field
for
local
governments
for
sustainability.
J
J
As
part
of
this
overall
effort,
ickley
has
developed
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
tool.
It's
a
web-based
cloud-based
tool
that
allows
municipalities
to
basically
conduct
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
quickly
and
easily
and
in
a
standard
format.
That's
readily
usable
by
small
and
municipal
governments
and
large
municipal
governments
like
new
york
or
dallas,
or
miami.
J
Currently,
there
are
two
tracks
that
a
municipality
can
elect
to
go
down
when
developing
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
The
first
one
is
the
government
operations
track,
which
basically
develops
an
inventory
of
all
the
sources
of
energy
consumption
and
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
the
municipal
government's
activities
itself.
J
J
Most
municipalities
elect
to
start
with
the
government
operations
track,
because
it's
a
little
bit.
The
scope
is
a
little
bit
smaller.
It's
a
little
bit
more
manageable.
As
a
starting
point-
and
it's
also
the
most
actionable
it's
what
the
city
has
the
most
direct
control
over
is
its
own
operations
and
that's
where
we
at
the
city
have
elected
to
start
as
well.
So
we're
going
to
start
chipping
away
at
this
program
piece
by
piece
and
the
most
sensible
place
to
start
that
we
we
determined
to
be
government
operations.
J
Please,
the
next
few
slides
I'm
going
to
give
you
all
a
brief
update
on
our
data
collection
plan.
We've
created
a
data
collection
plan
that
will
capture
all
of
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
direct
activities
by
the
municipal
government
of
the
city
and
we've
broken
it
into
a
series
of
small
steps
and
different
pieces
of
data,
and
we've
dealt
developed
a
plan
to
collect
all
that
information
in
a
systemic
manner.
J
This
first
slide
shows
generally
what
our
efforts
look
like
in
our
current
status
is
on
collecting
information
on
our
fuel
and
fuel
consumption,
particularly
for
fleet
vehicles,
as
you
can
see,
there's
four
different
categories
here:
there's
buildings
and
facilities,
fleet
vehicle
emissions
for
the
vehicle
fleet
for
on-road
for
off-road
vehicles
and
also
for
contractor
vehicles.
J
J
J
The
remaining
areas
where
we're
still
collecting
data
is
from
our
city
contractors
and
the
biggest
one
will
likely
be
in
the
solid
waste
department
which
will
and
are
the
big
contractor
in
that
case,
will
be
waste
management.
So
a
next
activity
will
be
to
reach
out
to
waste
management
and
begin
to
compile
their
use.
Their
fuel
consumption
use
in
their
city
activities.
J
Please,
the
next
area
that
we've
been
making
good
progress
in
is
the
general
electrical
consumption
for
the
city.
This
effort
is
actually
fully
complete
for
2019.
This
includes
emissions
from
us
municipal
buildings
and
facilities.
J
Our
public
works
infrastructure
such
as
street
flights
and
traffic
lights
that
are
owned
and
controlled
by
the
city,
and
it
also
includes
emissions
from
electrical
transmission
and
distribution
grid
losses
from
the
electrical
utility
which,
although
it's
not
directly
controlled
by
the
city,
it's
part
of
the
city's
overall
energy
consumption,
every
munici,
every
electrical
system,
experiences
minor
grid
and
electrical
system
losses
and
that
are
not
delivered
the
end
customer
but
require
power
consumption
to
overcome.
J
So
this
effort,
or
this
data
was
all
compiled
through
our
finance
department,
collecting
and
analyzing
our
electrical
bills
from
duke
energy
for
all
the
different
city
accounts
next
slide.
Please.
J
The
last
sector
that
we're
going
to
discuss
today
is
water,
sewer
and
solid
waste.
We
sort
of
grouped
all
of
these
together
as
the
things
that
people
might
expect
to
find
on
their
utility
bills,
as
you
can
see
for
solid
waste
for
our
energy
consumption.
We're
100
complete
we're
100,
complete
on
compiling
the
emissions
from
our
electrical
grid,
consumption
for
the
water
and
wastewater
facilities
and
the
overall
water
and
resource
utility.
J
One
other
kind
of
unique
thing
about
the
ickley
calculator
for
municipal
emissions
is.
It
can
also
calculate
the
emissions
from
the
wastewater
treatment
process,
which
is
very
interesting
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
chose
to
use
the
igly
tool
is
because
it
incorporates
all
the
different
potential
sources
of
emissions,
such
as
wastewater
processes
that
you
might
not
find
in
a
simple
energy
audit
or
something
some
other
effort
like
that.
J
As
I
mentioned,
solid
waste
is
one
area
where
we're
still
working
on
compiling
the
data.
That's
sort
of
the
last
sector
that
we
is
outstanding
here,
which
would
be
again
fuel
consumption
for
contracted
services
by
waste
management
for
the
solid
waste
services.
J
Here
is
our
preliminary
greenhouse
gas
emissions
summary
for
the
city
taken
directly
from
the
icky
tool.
I
will
qualify
that
these
results
are
still
draft
and
knowing
that
we've
compiled
about
90
of
the
data,
this
is
we
want
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
this
information
looks
like,
but
please
do
know
that
there
are
still
some
sources
of
fuel
consumption
again,
particularly
on
the
solid
waste
side
and
some
of
the
smaller
contractors
for
mowing
and
landscaping,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
are
still
pending.
So
these
numbers
will
change.
J
Again
that
may
change
as
we
compile
more
data,
but
that's
the
information
we
have
currently
other
sectors
that
we've
measured
currently
include
general
buildings
and
facilities
being
the
second
largest
at
about
1700
tons
of
co2
equivalents
per
year.
Water
and
wastewater
treatment
is
just
shy
of
6000
metric
tons
of
co2
per
year.
J
The
third
largest
sector
is
the
vehicle
fleet,
that's
primarily
oil,
gas
and
diesel
consumption
for
the
city's
fleet,
vehicles
for
the
fire
department
for
the
police
department,
for
roads
and
bridges
for
heavy
construction
equipment
for
storm
water
and
the
utilities,
and
then
there's
smaller
sources
of
energy
consumption
from
street
lights
and
our
our
legacy
solid
waste
facilities,
the
closed
landfill
and
the
yard
waste
facility
slide.
Please.
J
One
thing
that
we
thought
was
interesting
that
we
want
to
get
out
to
you.
That's
relatively
complete
at
this
point
is
a
summary
of
our
2019
citywide
fuel
consumption.
This
is
in
total
gallons.
We
did
mix
gasoline
and
diesel
here.
The
igle
calculator
will
differentiate
between
the
energy
content
of
those
fuels
and
also
differentiate
between
the
greenhouse
gas
emission
potential
of
those
fuels.
But
for
here
we
wanted
to
just
provide
a
quick
summary,
so
we
lumped
all
the
gasoline
and
diesel
together.
J
As
you
can
see,
police
has
the
largest
vehicle
fleet
in
the
city
and
similarly
they
would.
They
also
have
the
largest
consumption
of
fuel
they're,
just
like
utilities,
they're
a
24
7
operation,
and
they
spend
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
in
their
vehicles,
policing
the
city,
the
the
second
largest
source
is
the
is
public
works
again,
that's
related
to
yeah
main
road
maintenance
of
city
infrastructure,
stormwater.
J
All
that
sort
of
thing
a
lot
of
construction
equipment
in
that
case
and
larger,
larger
heavier
vehicles,
utility
water
and
wastewater
utilities
separately-
are
also
called
out
there
and
the
fire
department,
all
those
are
sort
of
smaller,
and
then
you
can
see
the
general
municipal
government
there
in
orange
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
I
know
that
there
had
been
some
questions
from
the
committee
in
the
past
regarding
the
water
and
wastewater
utility,
so
we
broke
that
out
here
and
you
can
see
an
orange
all
other
municipal
uses
other
than
water
and
sewer
utilities
account
for
about
27
of
city
electrical
use.
The
wastewater
operations
account
for
about
28
of
city-wide
electrical
consumption
and
the
water
utility
accounts
for
about
44
of
city-wide
electrical
consumption.
J
Next
slide,
please
unrelated
to
well
it's
it
is
related,
but
we,
I
also
know
that
there
had
been
some
questions
about
general
trends
in
water
use
that
we
wanted
to
answer
today.
While
we
were
going
over
this
information
here
in
southwest
florida,
the
most
common
metric
for
for
assessing
a
municipal
mis,
a
municipality's
water
use,
is
per
capital
water
consumption,
most
often
measured
in
gallons
per
person
per
day
of
water
use
from
from
municipal
sources.
J
As
you
can
see
here,
we've
got
a
fairly
steady,
declining
trend
in
per
capita
water
consumption.
That's
generally
would
be
attributable
to
conservation
efforts
in
this
case
that
a
key
factor
here
might
be
the
development
of
our
reclaimed
water
system,
which
is
reducing
the
need
for
irrigation
with
potable
water
potable
source
water.
J
Some
of
the
variation
you
can
see
here
is
likely
due
to
economic
conditions,
but
primarily
annual
changes
in
climate
and
rainfall,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
would
change
irrigation
practices
for
outdoor
irrigate
for
outdoor
water
use
over
the
last
five
years.
Our
per
capita
water
use
here
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
has
ranged
between
86
and
94
gallons
per
person
per
day.
J
The
national
average
for
per
capita
water
use
is
130
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
The
state
of
florida's
average
is
134
and
the
southwest
florida
water
management
district
average
is
97
gallons
per
person
per
day,
so
we're
overall
significantly
ahead
of
the
curve
we're
below
the
regional
average,
we're
well
below
the
statewide
average,
and
the
water
management
district's
regional
targets
and
regulatory
targets
are
actually
150
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
So
we're
well
ahead
of
the
regional
regulatory
targets
from
the
water
management
district
next
slide.
Please.
J
I
So
now
we've
come
to
our
next
steps.
So
so
far
we
need
to
continue
collecting
all
of
the
data
that
tommy
outlined
for
you,
so,
for
example,
the
outsourced
vehicle
fleet
and
then
any
outstanding
areas
that
we
need
to
to
continue
getting
we're
gonna.
I
Once
we're
finished,
to
plan
on
assessing
the
2019
data
that
we
have
and
then
building
upon
a
2020
inventory
so
that
we
can
go
ahead
and
compare
the
outcomes
of
those
and
then
find
out,
maybe
what
we
have
been
doing
if
it
has
been
lowered
in
2020
which
we'll
go
ahead
and
mark
all
that
down
and
of
course
bring
that
back
to
you
guys
and
then,
if
you
guys
have
any
direction.
I
A
You
have
the
baseline
you've
collected
your
data
you're,
going
to
collect
for
2020
and
compare
that
so
what's
the
goal,
so
you
get
all
the
stuff.
What
do
you
want
to
accomplish?
Other
than
collecting
data.
I
Well,
it's
something
we
hope
to
include
you
guys
in.
So
it's
also
going
to
be
something
that
will
be
helpful
when
we
do
our
action
plan
so
that
we
kind
of
know
where
we
are
and
where
we'd
like
to
go.
B
When
we,
our
committee,
was
formed,
the
intent
was
to
set
some
goals
for
the
city
and
to
write
an
action
plan.
So
part
of
you
know
we're
going
on
a
diet.
We
need
to
step
on
the
scale
and
see
where
we're
at
and
that's
what
they've
been
working
on
is
collecting
all
of
this
data
so
that
we
have
that
baseline
and
then
we'll
work
with
staff
is
my
understanding
to
to
set
some
goals.
A
What
you
said
you'll
make
some
recommendations
about
what
you
conclude
from
the
video
so.
I
Yeah
so
when
we
are
finished
with
the
2019
data,
we'll
be
able
to
give
you
guys
an
outline
of
what
we
found
and
then
hopefully
after
we
compare
the
2020
data,
which
we
have
not
yet
started
on,
we'll
be
able
to
give
you
a
better
idea
of
of
the
trends
at
that
point.
But
yes,
absolutely
we'll
bring
that
back
to
you.
J
Yeah
and
additionally,
even
in
the
absence
of
a
of
a
plan,
we,
the
city,
you
know,
with
cooperation
of
the
committee,
has
undertaken
a
number
of
sustainability
initiatives,
including
the
development
of
solar
projects.
So
even
while
the
plans
are
being
developed
over
time,
we
can
still
use
this
information
to
track
our
progress
on
the
projects
that
the
city's
moving
forward
with
current
and
measure,
our
reductions
in
energy,
consumptions
and
improvement
sustainability
from
current
activities.
A
Well,
I
guess
the
reason
I'm
asking
that
question
is
because
the
numbers
in
that
last
one
indicated
that
tarpon
springs
was
fairly
below
the
average
for
florida,
we're
in
the
80s
as
opposed
to
134..
So
is
it?
Can
a
goal
be
like
to
have
zero
or
thirty
I
mean?
Is
there
just
a
a
line
where
you
have
to
use
a
certain
amount?
I
guess
that's.
J
J
Yes,
the
recent
data
on,
let's
we'll
start
with
water
use,
so
speaking
to
water,
use
recent
data
compiled
by
the
american
water
works
association.
I
believe
the
alliance
for
water
efficiency,
the
sort
of
minimum
indoor
water
use,
depending
on
the
number
of
persons
per
household
nowadays,
is
about
69
gallons
per
person
per
day,
so
we're
we're
approaching
that
that's
assuming
no
outdoor
irrigation
activities
at
all.
J
That's
the
assumption
that
there
would
be
no
outdoor
irrigation
activities
at
all
is
probably
not
a
valid
assumption
for
our
city.
Considering
our
reclaimed
water
supplies,
you
know,
there's
not
enough.
Each
person
doesn't
generate
enough
reclaimed
water
to
provide
all
of
their
own
irrigation.
So
we'll
probably
expect
to
continue
to
see
you
know
some
outdoor
water
use
so
for
this
foreseeable
future,
like
all
municipalities
in
florida,
but
over
time
we
can
set
goals.
Zero
is
probably
a
very
bold,
potentially
unattainable
goal
from
an
energy
for
for
water
use.
J
You
know,
people
need
water
and
there
you
need
water
for
business
and
that's
also
only
residential
water
use.
So
when
you
think
about
things
like
restaurants
and
tourism,
businesses
and
things
like
that,
people
come
in
from
out
of
town
and
they
expect
to
use
your
water
as
well
for
drinking,
and
you
know
business
and
that
sort
of
thing
from
an
energy
perspective.
J
Technically,
you
know
if
you
are
completely
in
control
of
your
own
energy
supply.
It's
you
know.
You
know
it
is
possible
to
become
net
zero
on
emissions
through
a
variety
of
things
you
know
as
to
what
that
looks
like
and
whether
that's
like
financially
feasible
for
the
city,
that's
something
that
would
have
to
be
looked
at
down
the
road,
but
most
municipalities.
When
they
go
on
this
sort
of
activity,
it
is
sort
of
like
going
on
a
diet.
J
You
don't
you
know
if
you're,
if
you're
200
pounds,
you
don't
come
right
out
the
gate
and
say
I'd
like
to
be
100,
you
know
you
set
manageable
goals
over
a
manageable
time
frame
and
sort
of
chip
away.
At
those-
and
you
know
the
city's
not
doesn't-
is
not
in
the
business
currently
of
operating
a
a
power
utility.
So
we
have,
you
know
our
options
are
a
little
bit
limited
to
what's
on
the
grid
and
what's
available
in
the
region,.
B
J
The
yes,
the
water
data
we
provided
today,
we
provided
as
a
result
of
previous
questions
by
the
community
and
that
that's
community-wide
water
consumption
for
the
greenhouse
gas
effort.
We're
focused
on
just
municipality.
A
H
Tommy,
thank
you
very
much
and
ashley.
Also.
Thank
you
very
much
in
public
service
department
too,
for
providing
this
data.
It's
fascinating
and
it's
it's
going
to
be
great
to
have
this
data
moving
forward,
not
just
for
the
city,
but
for
our
committee
to
to
try
to
make
some
some
plans.
Just
a
few
curious
points.
H
You
indicated
that
waste
management
is
a
contractor
that
that
uses
significant
amounts
of
fuel.
I
remember
reading
an
article
that
they
run
their
trucks
on
natural
gas
is
that
correct
may
have
been
propane
at
one
time,
but
I
think
it's
natural
gas
now
is
that
is
that
true.
J
We
don't
have
that
information
at
this
time.
That's
something
that
we
would
inquire
from
waste
management.
That
would
be
a
next
step
to
determine
what
the
fuel
mix
is
for
their
fleet.
That's
serving
our
specific
municipality.
H
Sure
that
was
a
lead
into
the
next
question,
which
is
what
conversion
factors
do
you
use
in
going
from
gallons
of
diesel
or
gasoline
to
carbon
dioxide
and
what
conversion
factors
do
you
use
in
going
from
kilowatt
hours
to
co2?
J
That
is
the
case.
That's
actually
the
beauty
of
the
tool
is
that
the
factors
for
conversion
of
different
fuels-
propane,
liquefied
natural
gas,
diesel,
off-road
diesel,
biodiesel,
ethanol,
gasoline.
J
All
those
factors
are
built
in
vehicle
tool
by
experts
in
the
field,
and
they
actually
vary
within
the
tool
for
small
engines
for
off-road
vehicles,
for
heavy
trucks
for
light
trucks,
and
it
makes
it
manageable
that
you
can
compile
your
records
that
it
means
probably
with
reasonably
expected
to
have
like
total
gallons
of
fuel
consumption
from
your
fleet
and
convert
them
easily
within
the
tool
into
greenhouse
gas
tons
of
co2
equivalent
without
having
to
hire
an
expert
on.
J
You
know,
fuel
fuel
burns
and
you
know
all
the
chemistry
associated
with
that
sort
of
information.
H
Very
nice,
what
do
you
think
the
impact
would
be
if
the
ro
plant
were
to
increase
the
amount
of
renewable
power
that
it
currently
generates?
I
mean
what's
feasible
here:
what
what
could
we
look
toward
in
the
future
for
the
arrow
plant
in
terms
of
energy
being
converted
in
I
mean
energy
switching
to
as
much
renewable
sources
as
possible.
J
Well,
I
I
will
say
that
we're
still
fairly
early
in
the
process
we're
currently
in
sort
of
the
data
compilation
phase
and
we
just
a
couple
weeks,
compiling
the
electrical
consumption
data
to
your
point.
J
Obviously,
any
kind
of
renewable
or
non-fossil
fuel
energy
production
within
the
city
would
in
any
facility
the
ro
plant
general
municipal
government.
If
you
add
more
solar
panels,
you
will
reduce
your
grid
electrical
consumption
and
you
will
reduce
your
your
greenhouse
gas
emissions
as
to
what's
sustainable
or
what's
financially
feasible
for
the
city
that
would
probably
that's
sort
of
in
our
next
steps.
After
we
finish
compiling
our
baseline.
H
Okay,
so
you
know
something
to
consider,
but
no
no
hard
and
fast
plan
or
projection
at
this
point.
Last
time
we
talked
about
things
that
we,
as
a
could
me
committee,
could
suggest
to
the
citizens
that
they
might
do
as
individuals
to
improve
our
situation
in
terms
of
climate
change
and
sustainability.
H
Do
you
think
that
that
a
push
by
our
committee
via
flyers
or
comments
on
our
website
could
encourage
the
use
of
gray
water
for
irrigation
by
citizens?
Do
you
know
of
municipalities
in
which
that's
had
any
kind
of
impact?
Is
that
worth
even
proposing.
J
J
The
city
has
been
making
very
good
progress
over
the
years
on
expanding
our
reclaimed
water
distribution
system,
and
that
has
helped
to
drive
down
our
per
capita
water
use
and
reduce
water
consumption.
So,
in
the
absence
of
reclaimed
water
availability,
expansion,
no
programming
would
probably
not
result
in
a
significant
increase
in
use
of
reclaimed.
Water
and
many
municipalities
are
help
now
sort
of
switching
over
to
focus
on
having
everyone
conserve
all
sorts
of
water
resources,
reclaim
water,
potable
water
groundwater
across
the
board
and
to
be
responsible
with
their
irrigation
practices.
H
In
one
of
your
charts,
you
referred
to
compliance
in
terms
of
water
consumption.
Does
that
translate
into
does?
Does
compliance
mean
consumption,
or
is
it
a
slightly
different
term.
J
I
will
apologize,
I
I
do
come.
I
came
from
the
water
management
district
in
a
previous
life
and
the
district
has
a
regional
rule
for
per
capita
water
use,
which
here
in
our
portion
of
florida,
is
150
gallons
per
person
per
day
and
that's
their
compliance
target
and
they
had
a
certain
date
deadline
for
all
municipalities
in
the
region.
J
To
achieve
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
not
only
did
we
comply
with
that
rule
and
achieve
compliance
with
that
role,
but
we're
also
well
ahead
of
the
of
the
regional
average
in
reducing
water
consumption
and
conserving
water.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
this
was
really
helpful.
I
think
that
one
point
of
outreach
definitely
could
be
explaining
to
folks
that
there's
a
lot
of
energy
required
to
get
water
to
the
tap,
and
so
it's
not
just
wasting
water.
It's
wasting
electricity
to
get
the
water.
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
make
that
connection
inherently.
B
J
We're
still
waiting
to
hear
about
we're
still
waiting
to
reach
out
to
to
waste
management,
so
that'll
be
the
primary
determining
factor
in
when
we
can
complete
2019.
So
we're
really,
you
know
you
know,
gonna
have
to
work
with
that
contractor
to
get
that
data
as
soon
as
possible.
So
you
know
I
don't
wanna.
You
know,
set
expectations
that
we
we
don't
know
that
we
can
meet
from
from
an
outside
contractor
at
this
time.
J
As
soon
as
we
have
a
timeline
from
waste
management,
we'll
definitely
report
back
to
the
board,
but
I
think
it
would
be
realistically.
I
think
it
would
be
over
the
next
couple
of
months.
We
could
get
that
information
and
hopefully
sooner
it
depends
on
what
format
that
is
and
how
waste
management
is
handling
their
fuel
consumption
internally,
as
well
as
obviously
how
willing
of
a
partner
they
are
and
providing
that
information
outside
for
we're.
J
At
this
point,
we're
really
focused
on
completing
2019
and
once
we
have
2019,
we
want
to
sit
down
and
take
a
good
hard
look
at
what
that
looks
like
and
start
thinking
about
how
to
assess
this
data
and
what's
meaningful
comparisons
to
make.
And
then
once
we
we've
done
that
the
next
step
would
be
to
start
working
on
2020.
G
G
Or
community
sustainability,
but
it
seems
like
it's
a
two-stage
operation
where
you
actually
you
demonstrate
by
example,
initially
with
your
government
operations
and
then
you
know,
draw
the
public
into
the
same
vision.
So
that
really
helps
to
hear
that
that
is
kind
of
the
two
tracks
that
ickley
has
defined.
But
I'm
also
I'm
wondering
if
we
did
our
inventory
based
on
things
that
ickley
looks
at
you
know
the
building
and
facility
fleet
vehicle
use
of
fuel
etc.
G
Do
they
actually
offer
any
best
practices
for
improving
on
each
of
the
items
that
we
inventoried.
J
They
do
have
general
guidance
documents
on.
You
know
how
municipalities
can
help
develop
these
plans,
and
things
like
that.
I
will
be
honest.
We
haven't
looked
at
those
yet
we're
really
focused
on
completing
the
baseline
and
inventory
at
this
time
and
then
once
we
have
that
information,
we
would,
if
there's
resources
out
there,
that
the
committee's
interested
in
perhaps
we
would
be
able
to
help
point
folks
in
the
right
direction
as
to
publications
on
what's
useful
for
small
municipal
governments,.
G
Practices
are
to
reduce
the
co2.
G
And
you
know
the
tons
of
co2
that
are
being
put
out
there
I
mean,
do
they
have
any
forums
for
the
cities
to
discuss
their
best
practices
that
you
know
of.
J
Yes,
they
do
have
periodic
meetings
as
far
at
this
point.
We
haven't
done
research
into
when
those
intergovernmental
meetings
with
ickley
occur.
G
K
You,
yes,
I
have
a
question
and
basically
tony
I
I
didn't
catch
your
last
name.
B
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
presenting
us
with
all
this
information.
Very
much
appreciated
all
right
and
moving
along
to
our
next
item.
We
have
a
presentation
from
renee
vinson
planning.
A
zoning
director
is
going
to
talk
to
us
about
land
development
code
and
then
also
the
bang.
The
table
community
engagement
tool.
L
Good
evening,
everyone
renee
vincent
planning
director
and
I'm
actually
going
to
hand
this
off
to
allie,
keane
and
ali
is
our
senior
planner.
We
hired
her
away
from
pinellas
county
and
she's,
got
a
wealth
of
experience
and
comes
at
this
with
kind
of
some
fresh
eyes
and
pat
mcneese
is
here
as
well.
L
So
I'm
going
to
let
ali
give
you
the
update
on
the
you
know
the
community
engagement
platform
as
well
as
kind
of
where
we
are
with
the
land
development
code,
the
comp
plan
and
how
you
guys
plug
into
that
and
and
what
some
next
steps
may
be
so
I'll.
Let
her
take
it
away
and
then
we'll
answer
questions
either
as
it
goes
along
or
at
the
end.
M
All
right,
well
again,
my
name
is
ally
keane
and,
as
I
mentioned,
that
her
and
pat
are
also
online
to
help
answer
any
questions
that
you
guys
may
have
I'm
going
to
start
tonight
by
talking
about
our
new
online
engagement
platform,
which
we
are
super
excited
about.
We
are
very
close
to
being
able
to
launch
this
to
the
community,
we're
hoping
in
the
next
month
or
so
we'll
have
that
out.
M
M
They
have
more
traditional
methods
like
your
online
surveys
and
quick
polls,
but
they
also
have
opportunities
to
put
up
discussion
boards
have
some
app
mapping
exercises
as
well
as
idea
and
brainstorming
walls
and
I'll
show
you
some
examples
here
in
just
a
minute
of
some
of
those
tools
and
how
they
operate.
M
M
Awesome
all
right
so,
as
we
mentioned,
we're
still
in
development
of
the
tarpon
springs
platform,
it's
pretty
close,
but
we
wanted
to
show
you
some
examples
and
show
you
how
this
can
work
and
how
it
can
benefit,
not
only
our
department
but
other
city
departments
and
the
sustainability
committee
as
well.
This
is
a
look
at
engage,
lon
longmont.
This
is
for
longmont
colorado,
every
home
page
for
each
platform,
for
each
community
will
be
its
own,
so
everything
will
look
a
little
bit
different,
but
they
have
the
same.
M
It
functions
the
same
way
here
they
have
a
short
description
about
what
this
platform
is
and
what
they're
looking
to
get
out
of
it,
and
then
you
can
scroll
through
and
see
various
tiles.
Each
one
of
these
tiles
is
a
different
project
or
initiative
that
the
city
is
wanting
to
get
some
engagement
and
feedback
on,
so
they
have
a
whole
range
of
opportunities.
They
have
just
a
typical
survey
about
a
specific
topic.
M
M
And
once
you
click
on
a
tile,
it
brings
you
to
the
project
page.
All
project
pages
are
going
to
be
essentially
set
up
the
same
way,
but
all
the
content
is
very
customizable
to
what
you
need
for
the
particular
project.
You're
looking
for
feedback
on,
so
each
project
will
have
a
short
description.
You
can
add
images
and
video
to
talk
about
the
project.
M
There'll
be
a
series
of
they're
called
widgets
along
the
right
hand,
side
here,
these
also
can
be
customized
to
whatever
you
need
it
to
be
for
the
particular
project.
In
this
case
they
have
a
contact
information
for
someone.
That's
particularly
engaged
with
this
project.
They
have
what
level
of
engagement
this
project
is
and
then
there's
some
other
aspects
there
too.
M
If
you
scroll
down
the
next
element
are
tools
in
this
case.
They
have
two
different
tools
and
these
are
the
interactive
elements.
This
is
what
the
community
can
get
into
and
actually
provide
feedback
on.
M
They
have
chosen
to
use
an
ideas
board,
as
well
as
a
mapping
exercises
which
is
called
places
so
for
an
ideas
board.
The
city
or
the
community
can
ask
a
question
to
their
residents
to
get
feedback
in
this
case,
they're
asking
what
types
of
materials
or
styles
of
signage
would
you
like
to
see,
or
what
do
you
like
or
know
about?
M
The
members
of
the
community?
Can
then
post
an
idea
on
the
board.
They
can
put
just
text,
they
can
put
images,
they
can
draw
something
and
upload
that
to
put
onto
the
ideas
board
and
then
other
members
of
the
community
can
then
vote
by
clicking
on
the
stars
or
the
hearts
here
and
then
provide
comments,
if
that's
an
option
for
this
particular
ideas
board.
M
The
other
tool
they
use
is
a
mapping
exercise.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
that-
and
this
is
where
they
outlined
the
the
city
outline
here
and
they
wanted
the
members
of
the
community
to
place
a
pin
on
the
map
on
an
area
that
they
think
there
should
be
some
sort
of
wayfinding
sign.
So
they
wanted
the
community
to
identify
important
places.
You
know
particular
parks,
historic
places
or
some
other
place
of
interest
that
they
like
that
they
think
is
important
to
have
signage.
M
Again,
this
is
set
up
very
much
like
the
other
project
page
we
just
looked
at,
but
the
content
is
customized
to
this
particular
project.
They
have
a
description
of
what
the
project
is
in
their
widgets.
They
also
have
a
content
or
contact
person,
you're
able
to
upload
documents.
So
there's
a
document
library
over
here,
so
anything
pertaining
to
the
project
that
you
want
the
community
to
be
able
to
read
or
view
can
be
uploaded
there.
M
The
other
one
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
this
timeline
feature
so
right
now,
they're
at
the
implementation
stage,
they've
completed
this
project,
but
at
each
phase
of
the
project
they
can
identify.
So
the
members
of
community
know
where
they
are
in
the
process,
all
right
and
as
far
as
their
tools
which
are
here,
they
utilize
something
called
a
news
feed
which
I
will
click
on
and
the
news
feed
is
something
where
the
anything
that
related
to
the
project
they
wanted
to
go
out
to
the
community.
M
So
maybe
upcoming
adoption
hearing
or
a
public
engagement,
open
house
or
anything
pertaining
to
the
project.
They
can
post
a
news
item
to
this
feed
and
then
anyone
that
is
following
this
project
can
get
updated
every
time
that
something
is
posted.
So
they
utilize
that
for
this
particular
project
they
also
did
an
ideas
board
similar
to
the
project
in
longmont,
and
then
they
utilized
a
traditional
survey
and
they
did
two
different
surveys
and
in
both
instances
they
got
around
200
responses.
So
this
is
a
pretty
significant
turnout
for
for
engagement
for
a
particular
project.
M
The
last
example
that
I'll
show
you
is
from
the
city
of
wheat
ridge,
and
this
is
not.
This
is
a
project
page,
but
it's
not
a
specific
project.
This
is
a
page
that
was
set
up
for
their
sustainability
committee
for
the
community.
It
talks
about.
You
know
who
the
committee
is
what
their
goal
is.
It
provides
links
here
to
all
their
focus
areas
and
it
directs
them
to
the
city's
web
page
where
they
talk
about
these
in
more
detail,
and
then
they
also
utilize
different
tools.
M
They
have
a
news
feed
function
where
they
can
talk
about
upcoming
events
for
the
sustainability
committee
or
interesting
articles
that
the
committee
wanted
to
share
to
the
public.
They
upload
that
into
their
news
feed
and
they
also
have
this
q
a
section
where
members
of
the
community
can
post
a
question,
and
then
someone
from
the
committee
can
then
answer
the
question.
So
in
this
instance
they
had
someone
that
was
looking
for
a
particular
earth
day
project
idea,
and
then
someone
wrote
back
to
them
with
some
ideas
for
that
project.
M
So
that's
just
some
of
the
examples
that
I
wanted
to
show
you
for
the
online
engagement
program,
our
platform.
So
I
might
want
to
stop
here
and
see
if
anyone
has
any
questions
particular
to
this
topic.
M
M
M
A
this
is
basically
a
plan
that
is
required
for
all
local
governments
by
the
state
of
florida.
It's
comprised
of
the
various
elements
that
focus
on
different
or
different
areas
such
as
land
use,
transportation,
recreation
or
open
space,
and
then
within
each
element.
It
includes
a
series
of
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
all
of
those
are
intended
to
help
to
achieve
that
desired.
M
There
are
various
tools
that
help
to
implement
a
comprehensive
plan,
one
being
the
annual
city
budget,
one
being
the
capital
improvements
program,
potentially
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city.
If
the
city
chose
to
develop
one
of
those
and
then
another
tool
is
the
land
development
code,
the
land
development
code
is
an
implementing
document
that
helps
to
achieve
the
desired
policy
establishing
the
comprehensive
plan.
M
This
is
a
regulatory
document
that
has
regulatory
language,
so
your
zoning
information
that
helps
to
guide
development
as
it
grows
over
time.
Some
regulatory
examples
are,
you
know
what
land
uses
are
permitted
in
certain
locations
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
and
also
what
are
the
development
standards
for
particular
zoning
districts.
So
what
are
your
setbacks,
height,
landscaping
requirements
for
a
particular
development?
M
A
third
document
that
I
want
to
throw
in
the
mix
is
our
smart
code.
This
is
actually
an
appendix
to
the
land
development
code,
so
it's
a
regulatory
implementing
document
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
really
a
special
set
of
regulatory
standards
and
it's
specifically
for
a
certain
area
in
the
community.
So
primarily
it's
our
special
area
plan,
which
is
the
sponge
docs,
as
well
as
our
community
redevelopment
area.
M
M
So
at
this
point,
we're
at
the
very
beginning
stages
we're
really
evaluating
our
current
documents,
we're
primarily
focusing
on
the
comprehensive
plan
at
this
time
we're
trying
to
determine
what
data
analysis
needs.
We
have
as
well
as
any
updates
that
we
need
for
any
existing
data
that
we
have
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
M
This
is
where
the
sustainability
committee
comes
into
play.
This
is
your
opportunity
to
review
and
integrate
policy
and
regulation
that
would
help
to
achieve
some
of
your
goals
and
objectives.
So
we
kind
of
outlined
maybe
a
process
for
you,
because
this
is
kind
of
a
complex
set
of
documents.
But
from
what
we
understand,
you
guys
are
looking
at
the
star
framework,
primarily
starting
your
focus
in
the
natural
systems
goal
area,
and
we
we
suggest
reviewing
that
goal
area
and
prioritize
your
focus
areas
from
there.
M
M
This
is
a
the
land
development
code
spreadsheet
and
I
believe
this
was
provided
to
you
guys
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
essentially
this
spreadsheet
outlines
all
of
the
sections
of
the
land
development
code.
So
it's
pretty
complex,
so
we
thought
it
might
be
helpful
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
how
it's
formatted
and
it
might
help
you
kind
of
navigate
your
way
through
when
you're
looking
at
the
excel
spreadsheet.
M
You'll
notice
that
some
of
the
rows
like
these
few
here
are
highlighted
in
green,
and
these
are
ones
that
we've
identified
that
are
potentially
the
most
interest
of
the
sustainability
committee.
So
we
wanted
you
to
see
everything
that's
covered
in
the
code,
but
we
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
areas
that
we
think
you'll
have
the
most
interest.
M
So
when
looking
at
this
image
here
on
the
screen
at
the
bottom
of
the
spreadsheet,
you'll
notice,
there's
several
tabs,
there
is
a
tab
for
every
article
of
the
code.
I
believe
there's
17,
there's
quite
a
few,
so
every
tab
will
have
its
own
article
and
has
every
section
included
in
that
article
listed
on
the
screen.
M
You'll
also
notice.
At
the
end,
there
is
a
tab
for
general
comments
and
that's
a
place
where
you
can
put
anything
that
you
don't
see
in
the
code
or
you
don't
know
where
it
would
fit
within
the
code.
You
can
just
put
a
general
comment
in
that
spreadsheet
or
in
that
tab,
and
then
there's
also
a
tab
for
the
smart
code
and
that
lists
all
the
sections
of
the
smart
code,
and
it
also
has
links
to
those
other
modules
that
you
may
have
interest
in
reviewing
and
potentially
integrating
into
our
smart
code.
M
So
once
you
click
on
the
tab
to
the
article
you'll
see
all
of
the
sections
are
listed
by
number
and
every
one
of
those
numbers.
Anything
that's
blue
and
underlined
is
a
hyperlink.
So
you
can
click
on
that
and
it
will
take
you
directly
to
the
land
development
code
online
and
you
can
read
the
specific
language
and
see
what
we
currently
have
in
our
code
today
and
potentially
see
how
you'd
like
to
modify
it
or
recommendations.
So
you
can
integrate
some
of
those
policies,
initiatives
that
the
committee
is
interested
in
and
then
there's
a
column.
M
That's
provided
next
to
each
section
that
basically,
is
an
area
where
you
can
leave
your
specific
comments
to
each
section
area,
so
we've
also
put
together
a
similar
spreadsheet
for
our
comprehensive
plan.
It
lays
out
all
of
our
current
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
we
can
provide
you
guys,
those
spreadsheets
for
each
of
the
elements
that
we
think
that
you'll
have
the
most
interest
in
as
well,
but
it's
formatted
very
similarly.
M
And
with
that
again,
we
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
having
us
here
to
talk
to
you.
This
is
my
contact
information
as
well
as
renee's
contact
information,
and
with
that
we
can
turn
it
back
to
you
guys
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
I'll
kick
us
off,
so
I
thank
you
really
for
this
is
a
lot
of
work,
put
all
of
this
tab
by
tab
and
link
all
of
this,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
help
us
to
stay
organized
and
go
through
it.
B
So
my
question,
I
guess,
is
how
does
the
smart
code
nest
with
the
lan
development
code
with
the
comp
plan?
So
if
we're
modifying
something
in
the
smart
code,
does
it
apply
city
wide,
or
does
it
only
apply
to
that
smart
code.
L
Piece,
so
anything
the
smart
code
policies
or
anything
you
do
in
the
smart
code
will
only
apply
to
that
geographic
boundary
that
that
the
smart
code
represents
the
lan
development
code
and
there
is
overlap
between
these.
So
in
the
smart
code
in
like
article
one
you'll
actually
find
the
cross
reference
to.
L
These
are
the
sections
of
the
lan
development
code
that
apply
also
apply
in
this
in
the
smart
code
area.
So
there
is
a
there
is
some
overlap
there,
but
anything
so
the
lan
development
code.
L
Certain
elements
will
apply
inside
the
smart
code.
Certain
things
will
not.
The
lan
of
the
smart
code
will
overrule
so
you
kind
of
we.
We
that's
an
area
that
we
need
to
whether
we
frankly
need
to
update
and
do
some
work
on,
because
we
know
there
are
some
gaps,
so
you
know
sometimes
we're
even
struggling
to
say
which,
which
one
of
these
documents
you
know
applies,
but
generally
the
smart
code
is
going
to
trump
the
land
development
code
unless
it
specifically
refers
to
the
land
development
code.
L
Good
question
you
know
any
any
comprehensive
plan
update
you
know
is
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
anywhere
from
a
one
to
a
two
year
undertaking
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
a
significant
amount
done.
You
know
over
the
course
of
the
next
year
the
land
development
code's
a
little
different
in
the
smart
code.
In
that
we've
identified
a
series
of
text
amendments
that
we
know
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
do
regardless
of
the
comp
plan,
and
so
that
is
an
opportunity
if
there's
some
low
hanging
fruit
for
the
the
sustainability
committee.
L
If
you
identify
some
things
that
we
think
are
just
good
and
we've
already
got
kind
of
policy
language
that
supports
them,
we
can
go
ahead
and
integrate
those
in.
I
would
like
to
get
the
land
development
code
updates.
This
first
round,
certainly
done
within
the
next
year,
because
they're
they're
just
too
important
to
wait.
There
are
larger
things.
You
know
that
really
for
the
land
development
code
and
the
smart
code.
Perhaps
that
may
need
to
wait
until
after
the
comprehensive
plan
is
done
so
that
we
have
policy
language
developed
that
enables
those
changes.
L
So
you
know
in
the
in
the
in
the
planning
world.
Ideally
you
do
your
comp
plan
first
and
then
your
land
development
codes
and
your
regulating
plans
follow
and
they
implement
that
doesn't
always
work
out.
That
way.
In
this
instance,
we're
going
to
be
running
some
things
simultaneously,
so
you
know
to
circle
back
full
circle
plan
development
code,
the
first
round
of
updates.
I
would
like
to
get
done
this
year,
we're
right
now
we're
focusing
on,
as
ali
said,
for
the
comp
plan.
L
Data
and
analysis
needs
that
we're
probably
going
to
some
of
that
will
go
out
for
a
consultant,
but
I
I
feel
like
we
can
get
the
line
share
of
the
comprehensive
plan
you
know
complete.
You
know
my
goal
would
be.
It
would
be
no
more
than
18
months.
You
know
it's
not
broken.
It
just
needs
a
good
update
and
and
organized
so
that
it's
more
accessible
to
the
public.
H
That
helps
a
lot.
Thank
you,
renee,
the
interaction
between
our
committee
and
your
department.
Do
you
see
that
predominantly
being
in
written
form
online?
Do
you
foresee
group
meetings?
How
do
you
see
this
hanging
out
and
I
I
know
that
I
will
be
asking
questions,
because
this
is
a
chunk
of
stuff.
L
I
think
you
know
I
mean,
certainly
you
know
we're.
Let
me
put
it
this
way.
We
will
make
ourselves
as
as
available
as
we
can
to
work
through
these
things,
whether
it's
in
person
or
through
these
zoom
meetings
or
even
through
the
community
engagement
tool,
may
be
a
very
good
way.
L
So
we
need
to
vet
some
stuff
with
the
city
attorney
before
we
set
it
up,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
with
the
with
the
community
engagement
platform
is,
we
can
have
these
paneled
discussions
if
you
want
to
call
it
that,
so
the
only
people
that
can
participate
are
those
that
are
members,
so
it
would
be,
you
know
perhaps
the
committee
and
staff,
but
it
allows
us
to
work
in
an
online
platform,
not
necessarily
even
at
the
same
time,
but
we
can
set
up
tasks
and
things
that
can
be
completed
online
and
they'll
be
public
facing
so
that
anybody
can
see
them,
but
they
only
we
can
participate
in.
L
What's
going
on,
so
it's
public
facing
it's
available
to
the
public.
It's
a
you
know,
it's
it's
public
record,
but
nobody
can
really
participate,
but
we
or
if
we
need
to
open
something
up
to
the
public.
We
can.
So
that's
a
really
that's
one
of
the
things
I
think
is
one
of
the
most
unique
things
that
that
I
really
like
about
the
community
engagement
tool
is
the
ability
to
use
it
for
even
for
more,
like
staff
and
committee
engagement,
that's
kind
of
I
use
the
term
offline,
but
it's
still
public
facing.
L
You
know
public
engagement,
you
know
requirements
or
sunshine
laws,
so
we
want
to
vet
that
with
the
city
attorney,
but
I
think
we'll
be
okay,
because
we
did
talk
with
when
we
were
vetting
these
proj
these
potential
platforms,
that
was
part
of
our
vetting
process
and
they
do
use
it
it's
it's
other
communities
in
florida
are
using
the
same
platform
and
have
the
same
sunshine
law
requirements.
So
I
think
we'll
be
okay,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we
vet
that.
H
Thank
you.
This
is
daunting,
but
it's
also
exciting.
L
And
I
think
what
you
know,
what
we
need
to
do
internally
in
the
department
is
to
put
together.
You
know
a
realistic,
you
know
and-
and
you
know,
a
kind
of
a
detailed
work
plan
as
we
go
through
this.
So
we
know
when
to
plug
the
the
committee
in
or
the
public
end
as
a
whole
as
we
move
along,
so
that
that's
that's
on
us
to
to
do
so
that
you
guys
aren't
chasing
us.
A
M
Okay,
sorry,
I
was
just
trying
to
look
at
what
you're
looking
so
on
the
smart
code,
the
links
it's
a
pdf,
so
you
can't
directly
click
the
number
to
go
to
that
section
of
the
smart
code.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
set
up
like
the
lane.
Development
code
is
online,
but
there
is
a
link
at
the
top
of
that
particular
tab
for
the
smart
code,
where
it
just
takes
you
to
that
full
document,
so
unfortunately,
you're
gonna
have
to
scroll
through
to
find
that
map
in
order
to
look
at
it.
So
what.
M
Sure
so,
if
you're
looking
at
the
spreadsheet,
if
you
scroll
all
the
way
to
the
top
of
that
tab,
you'll
see
it
says
smart
code
link.
M
On
that,
yes,
if
you
click
on
that,
that
will
then
open
it
up
online
and
then
you'll
just
have
to
look
through
the
plan.
There
might,
I
think,
in
the
table
of
contents,
it
gives
you
a
page
number
or
at
least
a
section.
L
A
Bottom,
where
it
says
article,
let's
see,
let's
go
to
article
one:
okay,
click
that.
M
Yep
everything,
that's
blue,
so
all
these
numbers
along
the
side
oops,
I
just
clicked
on
something
and
then
as
well
as
the
titles
that
will
just
take
you
to
the
beginning
of
each
of
those
articles.
M
So
this
will
link
to
muni
code,
so
here
I'll
show
you
an
example.
So
if
I
click
on,
we
just
want
to
look
at
the
we'll
say,
relationship
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
I'm
clicking
on
this
number
four,
it's
gonna
open
up
in
the
internet
window.
It's
gonna
bring
you
right
to
this
section,
so
section
four
relationship
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
M
Okay,
so
right
right
here
it
says:
chapter
19.
yeah:
this
is
the
section.
L
N
You
know
it
says
there
that
it's
been
moved.
L
L
L
If
you
go
ally,
go
back
to
the
spreadsheet,
that'll
probably
be
the
easiest
thing
to
do.
Okay,.
L
It
it
is,
I
mean
I
well
here's
the
other
thing
you
can
do.
Go
ally,
go
back
to
munico.
Again,
I'm
sorry!
That's!
Okay!
Yes!
So
if
you
go
up
to
the
search
bar
up
there,
where
it
says,
search
or
jump
to
and
put
in
just
put
in.
L
L
Okay,
so
now
you're,
so
that
what
you're
really
going
to
want
to
look
at
is
tree
protection
and
preservation.
So
that'll
take
you
to
so
you
can.
You
can
go
through
whatever
it
finds
and
and
click
on
them
and
it'll.
Take
you
to
those
sections
so
and
then
on
the
top
right,
where
it
says
more,
the
little
pull
down
arrow,
where
it
says
more
in
red,
oh
yeah,
oh,
never
mind.
I
thought
that
would
take
you
to
the
to
the
rest
of
them
to
the
ones
that
you
found.
L
L
Yeah
and
that's
that's
why
we
were.
We
thought
that
if
you
go
back
into
the
spreadsheet,
that's
why
we
wanted
to
highlight
the
areas
in
green
so
that
we
thought
would
be
of
most
interest.
So
you
see
okay,
there's
wetlands
protection
and
docks
and
piers,
and
you
know
excavation
and
fill
so
we
tried
to
highlight
the
things
that
we
thought
would
be
of
interest
to
the
committee,
so
I
would
suggest
just
kind
of
tabbing
through
you
know
when
you
start
and
make
sure
you'll
notice-
you're
not
seeing
all
of
it.
L
So
if
you,
if
you
scroll
down
on
the
right
yeah
you'll
get
the
full
spreadsheet,
so
there's
make
sure
you
scroll
down
to
see
everything.
That's
there
yeah
and
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
kind
of
cut
through
some
of
the
the
noise
on
this,
because
it
is
a
lot
there's
a
lot.
There.
A
A
M
L
Yeah-
and
you
know,
we
know
that
we
work
in
this
stuff
all
day,
so
you
know,
we
know
that
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
daunting.
You
know
if
you're
coming
into
it,
for
the
first
time,
do
not
hesitate
to.
You
know,
shoot
any
of
us
an
email
or
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
us
if
you're
trying
to
work
through
these
things,
we'll
we'll
help
direct
you.
We
can
pop
it
up
on
the
screen
and
kind
of
walk
you
through
things,
if
necessary,
we'll
be
happy
to
do
it.
N
A
B
I
have
a
question
kind
of
along
this,
of
the
lines
of
the
it
made
me
think
of
it,
the
trees.
So
when
you
click
on
it
in
the
comp
plan-
and
it
just
refers
you
to
the
land
development
code,
but
the
comp
plan
isn't
that,
where,
like
the
goals
are
set,
so
is
there
gonna
be
like
some
language
about
like
what
we'd
like
to
see
out
of
the
tree?
Canopy?
L
Yeah
and
so
when,
when
we
send
out
the
the
a
similar
set
of
spreadsheets,
that
will
be
each
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
That's
where
you'll
see.
If
we
don't
have
that
tonight,
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
one
handy
ally
that
you
can
pull
up
or
not.
D
L
Which
one
did
you
want
me
to
pull
up?
Just,
I
guess,
pull
up.
L
I
guess
the
coastal
zone
element
is
fine,
so
you'll
see
that
it's,
it's
kind
of
a
similar
bit
of
you
know
kind
of
a
layout,
but
it's
just
you
won't
have
nearly
as
many
tabs
you'll
have
one
or
two
at
the
bottom.
So
that's
this.
These
are
all
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
for
the
coastal
zone
element
which
covers
both
coastal
management
and
conservation.
L
So
this
is
where
you
really
set
the
high-level
policy
of
what
you're
trying
to
achieve
long-term
10
20
30
years.
So
you
know
so
we
don't
have
you
know.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
anything
honestly
specific
to
like
tree
canopy
right
now,
so
that's
something
that
we
would
probably
want
to.
You
know
create
policies
for
you
know,
and
that's
why
we
talked
about
you
know:
we've
got
these.
I
call
them
disparate
elements.
L
You
still
have
to
have
the
elements
per
se
with
because
of
the
state
of
florida
regulations,
but
we
think
we
can
make
it
a
lot
more
user
friendly,
but
this
is
where
the
policy
really
is
and
what
enables
us
to
put
things
in
the
land
development
code
from
a
regulatory
standpoint
that
says,
if
x
is
being
developed,
you
know
you
need
to
maintain
the
minimum
30
tree
canopy
or
or
have
some
mitigation
things
like
that,
so
that
this
is
this
is
the
policy.
The
land
development
code
is
the
tool.
A
May
I
make
a
recommendation,
perhaps
dory
you
could
set
like
a
few
of
them.
We
can
all
look
at
together,
so
we
aren't
just
sifting
through
this.
Like
we
look
at
these
two
and
everyone
looks
at
those
two
and
and
we
know
how
to
find
them
like
what
article
is
it
in
and
and
then
we're
all
on
the
same
page
instead
of
it's
so
much
material,
you
don't
know
where
to
start.
B
So
I
think
that's
a
similar
approach
to
what
we're
doing
with
the
star
that
we're
like
focusing
on
one
thing
at
a
time,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
great
idea,
so
I'm
not
prepared
right
now
to
say
for
the
next
meeting.
So,
let's
plan
on
receiving
an
email
this
week,
that'll
kind
of
guide,
let's
focus
in
this
area-
maybe
just
a
couple
things
to
get
us
going
and
make
sure
that
we
we
have
a
system.
K
K
You
know
I'm
thinking
along
the
lines
of
what
what
carol
said
and
and
what
dory
said
if
we
could
look
at
it
in
a
guided
way,
but
also
understand
how
the
work
that
we
do
will
be
integrated
into
actual
policy
so
that
we
know
what
results
we
can
expect
to
see
or
what
for
how
that's
going
to
be
integrated
into
the
actual
documents
that
are
coming
up,
but
also
if
we
are
kind
of
founder
floundering
at
this
early
stage,
I
love
the
bang
the
table.
I
love
that
engagement
tool.
K
It's
wonderful,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
something
that
we
must
be
very
cautious
and
and
mindful
about
making
it
a
very
easily
accessible
common
language
way
for
the
community
to
engage
so
that
they'll
feel
comfortable
doing
it.
They'll
want
to
do
it,
it
will.
It
will
kind
of
guide
them
into
participating
and
yeah.
L
Yeah
and
robin
you've
really
kind
of
hit
you've.
You
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
The
discussions
that
we've
had
back
and
forth
is
because
we
realize
that
this
is
a
ton
of
of
information,
and
so
you
know
is
it
better
for
the
committee
to
you
know
if
you've
got
things
that
are
already
been
identified
or
if
you're
working
through
star
and
you're
gonna
like
prioritize
those
things,
those
those
goals
and
things
out
of
the
star
system,
you
know
we
can
then
turn
around
and
help
apply.
L
Those
and
say
here
are
the
gaps
you
know
this
is.
This
is
what
we
want.
This
is
what
we've
got
here
are
the
gaps,
and
I
think
you
know
we
can.
We
can
help
bridge
that
that
would
be
my
goal,
so
I've
been
back
and
forth.
Do
you
start
with
what
we've
got
and
and
get
familiar
familiar
with
it?
Or
do
you
start
with
just
the?
The
idealistic
of
this
is
what
we
want
now.
How
do
we
bridge
the
two?
K
Or
to
what
quantifiable
so,
for
example,
if
we
know
we
want
to
increase
the
tree
canopy,
we
want
that
to
be
a
as
part
of
every
development
that
comes
in
that
they
make
a
commitment
to
preserve
the
tree,
canopy
whatever
it
happens,
to
be
and
then
determine
to
quantify
that
you
know
that
would
be.
I
would
think
what
our
committee
would
do
is
to
look
at
the
data
and
see
what
is
it?
What
is
a
quantifiable
number?
That's
desirable!
K
That's
also
realistic.
You
know
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
a
developer
could
preserve
100
of
their
tree
canopy,
but
how
could
we
increase
the
overall
tree
canopy
of
the
city?
Even
if
it's
not
on
that
general
project
like
they
have
mitigation
of
wetlands
other
places
and
things
like
that
or
public
art
doesn't
have
to
be.
You
know
if
they
can
pay
into
the
fund.
K
You
know
like
the
tree
bank
does
and
things
like
that,
but
it's
I
think
it's
awesome
that
we're
able
to
to
have
our
input
and
thoughts
into
this,
but
I
think
that
the
more
organized
we
can
be
is
how
we
move
forward,
and
you
know,
even
if
it's
bite-sized
things
they're
very
focused
things
as
we
become
more
comfortable
with
it
and
understand
how
everything
is
integrated,
the
ldc
and
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
smart
code
and
unicode,
and
you
know
how
that
how
that
all
works
together,
the
more
effective
we
can
be
in
providing
guidance
or
what
our
wishes
are.
B
Agreed
and
that's
you
know
when
we
had
this
conversation
when
I
had
the
conversation
with
with
the
planning
department,
I
I
was
thinking
along
the
same
lines
and
that's
what
renee
mentioned,
but
I
thought
it
might
be
easier
to
say
like
this
is
the
wish
list?
How
do
we
make
like?
I
don't
know
where
to
plug
it
in?
Does
it
go
in
the
smart
code?
Does
it
go
in
the
lan
development
code,
so
I
think,
probably
taking
both.
B
L
And
I
think
different
folks
have
different
comfort
levels.
We
certainly
wanted
to
provide
a
tool
for
if
somebody
really
wants
to
get
into
hey.
What's
in
the
land
development
code,
now
you
have
a
you
have
a
way
to
do
that.
You
know
or-
and
we
can
do
the
same
thing
with
the
comprehensive
plan
on
and
on
the
converse
side.
L
K
Yeah
and
then
keeping
keeping
in
mind
the
keeping
it
accessible
and
and
open
to
the
community
to
engage
in
it
during
that
process
and
to
make
it
a
welcoming
thing
that
they
look
forward
to
kind
of
being
a
extension
office.
If
you
will
or
extension
group
of
whatever
it.
Is
that
we're
working
on.
Because
of
all
the
wisdom
that
the
community
has
about
this.
B
B
B
All
right,
so
our
next
topic,
then,
is
the
discussion,
which
is
a
recap
of
natural
systems
with
the
star
framework
and
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen.
B
B
That
I
want
to
find
the
star
framework
itself.
There
we
go
okay,
so
for
tonight,
what
I
was
hoping
that
we
can
talk
about
is
where
we
all
kind
of
landed,
but
before
we
got
into
it,
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
review
some
common
terms
that
make
sure
that
we're
all
starting
from
the
same
place
and
on
this
document,
page
six
and
seven
show
the
some
common
terms
and
the
framework
itself.
The
matrix.
B
B
So
when
we
are
setting
these
targets
and
then
the
local
actions,
the
target's
kind
of
like
the
goal
of
got
a
number
value
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
an
increase
or
a
decrease
in
a
certain
percentage
or
something
like
that.
B
B
So
that
just
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
all
had
that
kind
of
framework
there
or
that
base,
and
then
what
I
did
was.
I
literally
went
through
the
document
to
the
section
on
natural
systems
copied
and
pasted
it
into
a
word
document,
and
then
I
started
looking
through
each
one
of
them
holy
cow.
This
is
a
big
document
guys
I
should
have
just
put
the
number
right
in
okay,
so
put
it
into
a
word
document
and
then
I
literally
was
looking
at
okay.
This
is
the
purpose.
B
B
Do
we
want
more
green
infrastructure,
green
stormwater
infrastructure,
or
do
we
want
to
look
more
at
the
green
infrastructure
distribution
in
the
city
and
then
what
are
the
action,
the
local
actions
that
we
need
to
to
get
there
and
then
so
flip
here?
So
what
I
did
literally
was
just
kind
of
highlighted.
B
B
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
useful
or
helpful,
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
approach
that
anybody
else
took
and
paul
smith.
If
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
here
about
what
you
did,
but
I
think
that
if
we
can
have
kind
of
a
consistent
way
of
going
through
this,
then
each
of
the
priority
areas
will
will
get
better
because
we're
using
the
same
terminology-
and
it
will
just
you-
know-
make
the
process
easier
and
faster
as
we
as
we
get
going
so
paul.
Did
you
want
to
say
something
here.
N
Yes,
thank
you.
Can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
my
internet
has
been
finicky
today,
so
I
hope
I
don't
drop
out
it's
about
a
16
page
section,
this
ns
objective
or
goal
area,
and
the
first
thing
I
did
is:
I
just
went
through
it
and
I
read
it
and
I
didn't
try
to
memorize
anything.
I
didn't
try
to.
You
know
necessarily
understand
everything
I
was
reading.
N
I
just
really
wanted
to
sort
of
take
an
inventory
of
what
is
in
this
section
and
then
I
came
back
to
it
and
started
highlighting
things
and
I
think
the
hardest
part
probably
for
us
is
going
to
be
trimming
it
down
to
the
most
relevant
things,
because
there
are
so
many
choices,
and
you
can
see
that
I
mean
the
document's
150
pages
long
so,
but
I
see
that
as
a
strength
and
not
as
a
weakness.
N
N
Our
job
is,
I
think,
to
take
this
and
apply
it
to
our
city
in
a
manageable
fashion,
and
what
I
mean
by
manageable
is,
I
think
we
should
come
out
with
perhaps
four
or
five
focus
areas
in
each
one
of
these
goal
areas.
When
I
say
goal
area,
I
mean
this
natural
systems,
ones,
we've
started
with
perhaps
there's
four
or
five
focus
areas
out
of
this
whole
16
pages
that
we
come
up
with
as
a
group.
That's
just
a
suggestion
to
you.
N
I'd
like
to
hear
what
the
committee
thinks
I
didn't
go
so
far
as
to
writing
those
yet,
but
what
I
did
is
found.
What
I
think
are
the
most
important
of
the
objectives
in
this
first
group
and
if
I
can
share
my
screen.
N
N
N
I
looked
up
some
maps
on
air
quality
indices
and
we
look
really
good
actually
even
compared
to
say,
tampa
further
inland
without
the
prevailing
winds
that
we
have
so
perhaps
just
thought
this
might
be
an
area
we
don't
necessarily
focus
on
and
put
our
energy
into
some
of
the
other
ones
same
thing
with
working
lands.
We
talked
about
that
before.
N
Don't
know
how
applicable
it
is
in
our
densely
populated
area,
someone
mentioned
waterways,
maybe
instead
of
lands,
but
nonetheless
I
think
that
really
leaves
ns1
2,
3
and
5
is,
I
think,
the
main
areas
in
this
section
where
we
should
be
looking
for
focus
areas
so
just
some
thoughts
to
get
us
started.
I
hope
that's
helpful.
H
I
went
through
these
different
areas
of
the
natural
systems
and
I
I
have
to
say
that
I
like
some
of
the
action
items,
but
I
found
the
outcomes
vague
in
every
single
area,
just
as
in
just
as
in
just
as
an
example
under
green
infrastructure
outcome
number
one
green
storm
water
infrastructure.
H
H
That
sounds
like
retention,
ponds
and
detention
ponds.
Does
it
have
a
broader
definition
than
that?
Does
it
include
bioswales
and
berms?
Does
it
include
infiltration
strips?
I
mean
what
are
we
talking
about
and
where
are
the
definitions
that
fleshes
this
really
big
term
out
in
outcome?
Number
two
85
of
the
population
lives
within
one
third
of
a
mile
from
a
green
infrastructure.
H
What
is
that?
Does
that
mean
turf
grass?
Does
that
mean
a
tree
or
a
shrub?
Does
that
mean
you
know
a
park?
Is
this
85
of
our
population?
I
suspect,
I
think,
lives
a
lot
closer
to,
depending
on
the
definition
of
what
green
infrastructure
is
a
lot
closer
to
that.
This
sounds
like
an
outcome
for
newark
or
scranton,
or
new
york
city
rather
than
tarpon
springs,
just
jumping
ahead.
H
Under
ecosystem
habitat
identify
up
to
three
threatened
species
and
up
to
three
invasive
species
outcome,
one
showed
that
the
population
of
at
least
one
threatened
species
has
reached
optimal
population
size.
Why
one?
Why
not?
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
adopt
this
template
this
framework
of
star,
which
is
pretty
squishy
really,
why
not
look
at
every
threatened
species
within
the
municipality
and
every
invasive
species,
and
how
do
we
define
optimal
population
size
if
we
use
terminology
that
vague
just
use?
H
The
recent
example
of
the
hired
biologist,
who
has
a
bachelor's
degree
for
the
ankleo
harbor
project,
the
optimal
population
size
for
the
endangered
gopher
tortoise
according
to
his
testimony
under
oath,
was
zero
and
the
gropha
tortoise
is
a
keystone
species
and
his
optimal
method
of
removing
gopher
tortoises
and
relocating
them
was
via
a
backhoe.
H
Does
that
is
tobacco
a
good
way
to
move
all
the
other
350
species
that
this
keystone
species
can
potentially
provide
a
home
for
this
is
this
is
vague
stuff?
If
we're
going
to
use
this
as
a
template,
we
got
to
tighten
it
up,
and
the
definitions
have
to
make
sense
that
those
are
just
two
examples.
I
could
do
the
same
thing:
go
through
the
same
process
with
with
every
outcome
in
here
in
all
of
the
areas.
C
I
agree
with
you:
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
found
going
through.
These
was
where
did
where
did
85
percent
of
the
population
come
up
with?
Where
did
that
85
come
from
versus
90
or
like
there
were
a
lot
of
arbitrary
numbers?
I
felt
like
the
same
thing
with
ns2.
C
I
actually
crossed
off
three
and
put
all
question
mark.
You
know
for
the
same.
For
the
same
reason,
it
seems
sort
of
arbitrary
that
it
was
just
I
mean.
I
know
you
have
to
start
somewhere,
and
I
do
appreciate
that.
C
I
liked,
if
you
use
the
outline
just
using
the
outline,
not
necessarily
the
information
under
the
headings
as
much,
and
I
agree
some
of
the
things
if
somebody
asked
me
to
define
green
stormwater
infrastructure,
I
I
don't
know
that
I
would
comfortably
be
able
to
include,
like
you
said
what
what
does
that
include.
So
I
think
I
like
the
template,
for
the
sake
of
where
it
has
different,
like
your
different
actions.
So
is
it
education
or
like?
C
How
are
you
going
to
address
certain
things,
but
I
think
the
verbiage
in
that
needs
to
be
more.
We
we
need
to
own
that
more
for
tarpon
and
set
those
definitions,
maybe
for
the
numbers
again,
three
versus.
Why
three,
why
not
five?
Why
not
all
of
them!
So
to
your
point,
I
kind
of
found
the
same
thing,
but
I
liked
that
you
have
an
outcome
and
you
have
an
action
or
actions
underneath
it,
because
that
helped
guide
me
into
what
was
what
was
going
on
in
the
process.
D
E
Change
that
to
apply
to
us
yeah,
I
also
found
some
of
the
stuff
like
is
particularly
the
green
infrastructure.
I
found
it
kind
of
vague.
There
was.
I
also
agree
that
I,
like
the
actions,
a
lot
some
of
the
outcomes
we
could
probably
change
up,
but
it
kind
of
gives
you
a
direction
like.
I
think
we
could
implement
like
a
lot
of
the
all
of
them
are
talking
about
like
public
outreach
and
stuff.
I
feel
like
now
with
bang
the
table.
E
C
Okay,
I
also
I
did
find
under
the
ns3
was
the
natural
resource
protection
and
the
very
first
thing,
preliminary
steps
it
said:
identify
all
natural
park,
land
and
other
natural
resource
areas
for
evaluation
the
objective.
So
I
went
on
to
a
comprehensive
plan
and
I
do
have
to
say
that
within
the
last
like,
I
tried
to
do
that
when
I
first
moved
to
tarpon
springs
and
I
couldn't
find
the
comprehensive
plan
to
save
my
life,
so
it
has
gotten
a
little
bit
easier.
C
It's
still
not
the
easiest
thing
to
navigate,
but
it's
gotten
easier.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
one
of
the
elements
on
there
is
the
recreation
open
space
element,
and
so
I
started
kind
of
going
through
that-
and
I
was
like
wait
a
minute
and
I
kind
of
just
keep
reading
keep
reading
and
thought.
C
I
don't
know
this
seems
sort
of
dated
and
I
went
back
and
their
last
revision
of
that
was
2009.,
and
so
that
was
a
little
bit
like
I
started
going
back
to
the
other
sections
to
say:
when
was
this
revised?
When
was
this,
and
most
of
the
other
ones
have
been
revised
a
lot
more
recently,
but
that
one,
the
nice
thing
about
that
is,
it
did
identify
our
parks.
C
Are
you
know
what
what
what
is
defined
as
a
city
park
and
a
mini
park
and
neighborhood
park,
and
things
like
that?
But
I
think
you
know
it's
everybody's
working
in
different
directions.
So
I
was
glad
to
hear
that
they
are
looking
at
updating.
You
know
whether
it's
the
land
development
code
or
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
so
some
of
this
again
is
already
in
here.
C
There
were
things
like
create
an
advisory
board
to
inform
land
conservation
and
restoration
activities,
and
I
would
think
some
of
that
is
being
done,
maybe
not
by
an
advisory
board
per
se,
but
that
that's
being
done,
whether
planning
and
zoning
or
what
have
you.
So
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
again
taken
out
and
then
we
literally
use
the
action,
number
three
partnerships
and
collaboration,
and
we
figure
out
what
our
partnerships
and
collaboration
need
to
be.
K
I
agree
it
gives
us
it
gives
us
guidance.
It
gives
us
a
path,
so
we're
looking
for
a
path
that
when
we
look
at
the
landscape
on
the
path,
we
can
see
that
we're
in
tarpon
springs,
and
it
applies
to
us
not
just
not
just
randomly
and
a
lot
of
the
things
we
already
we
already
have
here,
but,
for
example,
with
the
green
storm
water
infrastructure.
K
I
know
the
city's
doing
a
ton
of
work
with
pipes
and
this
and
that
I
don't
know
what
all
that
is
or
what
they're
doing.
But
if
any
of
that
applies
I'd
like
to
know
how
that
impacts,
the
green
infrastructure-
I
I
don't
know-
I
just
see
huge
pipes
and
a
great
deal
of
construction
that
deals
with
stormwater
stuff,
and
you
know
who
knows
what
else,
but
I
think
the
more
we're
informed
about
what's
happening
concurrently
with
the
city's
efforts
that
are
also
going
to
play
into
the
work
that
we're
doing
would
be
helpful.
K
The
I
like
some
of
the
action
steps,
for
example,
looking
at
ns1
green
infrastructure,
local
actions,
inventory
assessment
or
survey.
I
remember
for
the
folks
who
were
working
on
the
tree
ordinance.
We
talked
about
doing
a
survey
of
all
of
the
significant
trees
in
tarpon
springs
of
a
certain
diameter
and
quantifying
how
many
champion
type
trees
that
we
have
here,
how
we
can
preserve
them.
K
So
there's
there's
some
trickiness,
but
talking
about
to
paul's
point
with
the
gopher
tortoises
that
it
that
just
really
also
bothers
me.
The
fact
that
it's
like
well,
this
isn't
a
perfect
situation,
so
they'll
just
all
have
to
go
and
it
has
to
be
by
backhoe.
That
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me,
for
example,
across
from
the
lipa
ratner
museum
on
klosterman,
there's
a
piece
of
property
being
developed.
It's
about
15
acres,
it's
loaded
with
gopher
tortoises,
and
yet
I've
heard
nothing
about.
K
I
don't
know
if
they've
already
been
backhoed
out
or
whatever,
but
what's
being
done
in
these
incremental
properties
is
not
as
big
as
anclote
harbors
but
you're.
Talking
about
you
know,
15
acres,
here,
70
acres,
here,
two
acres
here:
how
can
we
take
those
little
those
little
small
parcels
or
smaller
parcels
and
know
that
everything
contributes
to
the
whole?
Everything
does
have
an
impact,
even
it's
not
if
it's
not
as
seemingly
significant
as
a
larger
parcel.
K
K
So
how
do
we
at
least
understand
how
we
can
how
we
can
slow
that
down
how
we
can
do
it
with
not
only
more
compassion
but
more
wisdom
so
that
we
don't
turn
around
one
day
and
all
the
gopher
tortoises
are
gone?
It's
like!
Well,
that's
just
the
way
it
went,
you
know
and
is
there
another
way?
Besides,
I
heard
the
fella
too
talk
about
the
backhoe
and
I
know
the
the
multiple
paul.
What
did
you
say?
300
species
live
in
a
in
a
borough.
K
Right
if
there
are
any
indigo
snakes
even
left-
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
this
is
a
it's
a
significant
thing
to
work
on,
but
I
think
we
need
to.
K
I
I'm
not
even
sure
how
to
wrap
my
arms
around
it
really
because
it's
like
it's
it's
happening
so
quickly
that
you
know
how
can
we?
How
can
we
stop
that
at
least
ebb
that
or
what
do
you
call
it?
Stop
that
continual
destruction
until
it's
all
completely
gone,
you
know
how
do
we
have
any
impact
whatsoever
because
it's
pretty
disheartening
to
see
it
just
one
bite
at
a
time.
It's
just
gone.
You
know.
E
So
I
actually
did
a
little
bit
of
gopher
tortoise
relocation
for
my
internship
and
I
did
a
lot
of
research
there's
some
funds
put
together
by
the
state.
I
could
find
them
for
us,
but
there's
actually
another
piece
of
property
on
klostermann
that
it's
about
15
acres,
but
it's
adjacent
to,
I
think,
like
a
70
acre,
preserve
that's
already
preserved,
but
that
piece
of
property
is
owned
by
the
school
board
for
pinellas
county.
E
So
I
I
was
planning
on
reaching
out
to
some
of
these
funds
and
seeing
like,
maybe
if
they
would
want
to
purchase
it,
because
I
read
through
some
of
their
documents
and
they
said
they're
interested
in
finding
pieces
of
land
that
are
adjacent
to
each
other.
I
figure
it's
pretty
small,
so
they
could
probably
manage
to
pick
it
up,
but
that
one
is
in
ns3
local
action
4.
I
think
I
took
a
note
of
that
because
I'm
also
concerned
with
you
know
holding
on
to
whatever
natural
lands
we
have
left.
H
Taylor,
I
think
you're
referring
to
the
west
klosterman
preserve.
Yes
exactly,
and
there
is
actually
a
501
c
3
citizens
group
that
is
directed
at
preserving.
That
is
coming
up
coming
up
with
enough
money
to
purchase
it
from
the
school
board
and
to
then
donate
it
in
a
way
that
it
can
never
be
developed.
H
I'm
trying
to
link
it
to
the
70-acre
site
next
to
it,
which
is
virgin
property
if
you're
interested
beth
hovind
is
the
secretary
of
that
group,
and
I
can
send
you
her
contact
information.
B
I
I
am
too,
we
all
are-
we
wouldn't
be
here,
but
I
I
want
to
get
this
plan
written,
so
there's
no
more
little
tortoises
that
are
out
there
dangling
while
we're
trying
to
get
this
done
so.
B
Did
anybody
prioritize
outcomes
numerically
like
this
is
like
the
one
thing
that
we
cannot
leave
out
and
then
drink
through
like?
If
we
have
to
drop
one
of
these
off,
then
it
would
be
this
one
for
all
of
them.
So
for
all
of
the
out,
what
I
did
was
I
looked
at
the
outcomes
that
were
options
for
each
of
the
six
focus
area
or
goals,
ns1,
ns2
and
s3,
and
then
I
ranked
what
I
thought
would
would
need
to
that
are
my
priorities.
B
So
I'm
gonna
just
go
through
that
really
quick
and
then,
if
we
could
take
that
recommend
that
approach
and
then
carry
this
conversation
to
the
next
meeting
and
then
also
ranking
or
prioritizing
the
the
action
items
as
well
and
then
I
kind
of
group,
some
of
them
together,
but
so
to
me,
like
the
biggest.
B
I'll
just
start
going
through
them
is
the
wetlands
wetland
stream
and
shoreline
buffers
achieving
no
net
loss
of
wetland
shores,
buffers
or
streams
which.
B
Screen
like
green
infrastructure,
I
was
like
what
does
that
mean,
and
I
went
to
ifas
website
and-
and
these
are
different
definitions
of
green
infrastructure
for
stormwater
and
they've-
got
a
page
about
it
and
I'm
happy
to
share
this
resource.
So
we
can
all
kind
of
look
at
it,
but
I
agree
that
we
do
need
to
firm
up
the
the
definitions
and
we
need
to
firm
up
the
percentages,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
have
to
this
isn't
prescriptive.
B
I
don't
see
it
that
we
have
to
like
follow
what
they're
saying
to
me.
These
are
just
like
you
said
guidelines
and
we
can
write
them
in
coordination
with
what
staff
feels
also
is
appropriate
numbers
so
and
then
what
I
also
did
is
like,
with
the
spreadsheet,
where
we
gave
our
priorities
for
the
other.
I
started
making
a
tab,
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
tab
for
each
one
so
that
we
can.
B
Decide
and
lay
out
which
outcomes
we
think
really
are
our
biggest
priority
and
then
the
local
actions,
because
I
think
some
of
the
local
options
can
be
combined
like,
for
example,
I
looked
at
st
pete's
plan
and
what
they
wrote
was
the
very
first
thing
under
ns,
so
they
have
the
natural
systems
their
explainer,
and
I
once
we
get
going
with
this,
the
action
plan
is
going
to
pretty
much
be
written.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
once.
B
We
coalesce
on
these
outcomes
that
we
want
the
targets
that
we
want
and
then
the
actions
so
they've
got
their
targets
and
actions
here
and
then
their
priority
actions.
So
it's
they've
lumped
it
together,
increase
ecological
literacy,
so
you're
increasing
the
public's
awareness
on
a
bunch
of
these
items.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
independent
of
it,
so
we
can
kind
of
combine.
Some
of
these
is
my
thought
so
just
to
go
through
quickly.
My
will
you
share
all
of
that
with.
B
This
is
st
petersburg's
sustainability
action
plan.
Yes,
that
yeah
we.
I
need
to
make
sure
that
you
have
that.
Okay.
N
B
B
So
they've
got
the
the
action
items
under
each
of
the
goals
and
then
they,
you
know
explain.
Is
it
a
policy
planning
how
much
is
going
to
cost?
How
long
term
is
it
going
to
take
what
internal
teams
our
staff
are
working
on
it
departments
and
then
community
partners?
B
So
I
think
that
you
know
instead
of
reinventing
the
wheel.
Ours
should
look
similar
to
this.
We
just
need
to,
like
I
said,
agree
on
the
the
priority
actions
that
we
think
most
help
meet
the
needs
of
our
city
and
then
get
that
community
feedback
to
see.
If,
if
we're.
B
You
know
if,
if
the
community
is
in
agreement
with
us
or
not
so
mine,
like
I
said,
was
the
the
first
is
under
ns3
under
natural
resource
protection.
B
Having
that
no
net
loss
of
what
lines
your
buffer
streams
and
then
the
second
is
under
ns2
biodiversity,
achieving
no
net
loss
of
habitat
for
areas
of
threatened
species.
Because
to
me,
if
you
don't
have
habitat
loss,
then
you
receiving
the
flora
and
fauna
that
lived
there.
B
And
then
my
third
priority
is
the
35
of
tarpon
has
green
stormwater,
infrastructure
and
bioretention,
because
we
have
such
a
problem
with
flooding,
and
I
think
that
every
new
development
coming
in
should
be
using
these
principles.
But
we
need
to
agree
on
what
you
know
what
that
means,
and
then
my
fourth
is.
B
Natural
resource
areas,
20
acres
per
thousand
residents-
that
I
don't
you
know
we
need
to
know
from
staff
like
how
many
acres
the
city
has
how
many
residents
we
have
in
order
to
is
this?
Is
it
appropriate
or
do
we
need
to
raise
it
or
lower
it?
B
And
then
the
fifth
one?
Is
connectivity,
increasing
the
amount
of
natural
resources
or
restored
areas
directly
connected
to
regional
natural
systems,
and
then
six
seven
and
eight
like
six?
Is
the
ns5
water
in
the
environment?
B
The
amount
of
water
withdrawn
doesn't
exceed
fresh
water
entering
the
system,
because
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
our
water
resources
and
how
we're
using
that
sounds
like
we're
doing
pretty
good
based
on
the
presentation
earlier
tonight,
and
then
I'm
not
sure
about
addressing
working
waters
or
working
lands,
and
I'm
at
night
with
paul.
I
was
paul
smith.
I
was
also
not
sure
if
we
need
to
be
dressing
outdoor
equality,
if
I
mean
our
air
quality
numbers,
are
pretty
good
across
the
region
across
the
country.
B
So
so
we've
got
three
minutes.
So
if
we
could
for
the
next
meeting,
if
everybody
could
do
something
similar
to
that
kind
of
rank
like
their
priorities
for
the
outcomes
and
then
be
thinking
about
how
you
would
want
to
tweak
the
outcomes
so
that
it's
more
appropriate
to
what
we
want
for
the
city
and
then
similarly,
I
also
wrote
out
priority
actions
and
condense
them
and
prioritize
them,
and
I
have
eight
of
them
just
as
a
guide.
B
So
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
that
and
then
I
can
start
to
fill
in
the
spreadsheet
and
then
we
can
try
to
narrow
that
down
so
that
we
can
then
take
what
our
priorities
are
to
staff
and
kind
of
hear
from
them.
How
how
it
can
be
implemented,
because,
like
to
your
point
robin
about
the
the
habitat,
is
that
a
land
development
issue
or
does
that
need
to
be
in
the
comp
plan?
Saying
like
our
goal
is
to
preserve
as
much
you
know.
D
K
Right
and
even
for
the
species
like
taylor
was
talking
about.
Are
there
other
ways
than
than
what
has
been
presented
to
us
to
help
save
the
as
if
they're
being
relocated?
Is
there
another
way
to
do
it
that
we
could
put
in
beyond
just
the
backhoe
or
whatever
else
for
those
things,
but
I
think
you're
on
the
right
track
dory.
I
think
that
makes
sense.
Okay,.
H
L
Most
things
like
that
can
in
in
the
in
the
world
of
regulatory
regulatory
world
of
comp
plan
and
land
development
code
yeah
I
mean
I,
you
know
it's,
you
know,
we've
got
you
know
in
the
comp
plan.
Now
there
are
certain
standards
regarding
you
know,
loss
of
wetlands
and
how
you
can
mitigate
them.
So
I
think
that
gets
to
your
point
of
you
know
the
first
choices
you
mitigate
directly
on
site.
The
second
priority
would
be
mitigating
within
the
city.
L
B
All
right
so
do
we
have
any
other
questions
or
comments?
Do
we
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
with
the
task
of
going
through
natural
systems.
H
Yeah,
if
you
share
with
us
the
information
from
saint
pete
that'll,
make
it
a
lot
easier
and
and
what
notes
you've
made
as
you've
said,
you
would
just
my
spin
on
this.
I
think
working
lands
is
so
badly
defined
that
we
could
drop.
That
particular
section
I
mean
if,
if
it's
provide
ecosystems
and
raw
materials,
that
sounds
like
a
coal
pit
and
west
virginia
would
would
qualify.
B
Very
good,
okay,
so,
let's
move
on
then
to
the
next
item.
If
we
don't
have
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
natural
systems,
do
we
want
to
try
to
tack
on
our
next
focus
area
as
well
or
do
we
want
to
just
stick
with
natural
systems
for
one
more
month?
Okay,.
B
And
then
renee,
while
we've
got
you
on
the
line,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
participating
in
next
month's
meeting
as
well,
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful
as
we
go
through
the
land
development
exercise
together
and
then
also
talk
through
how
some
of
these
natural
systems
would
would
work.
A
I
have
a
question
sure
in
talking
about
all
of
these
preserving
land
and
the
gopher
tortoises
and
so
on.
We
have
a
tendency
in
this
contemporary
world
of
just
keep
building
building
buildings.
Has
there
only
been
any
research
about
an
ideal
green
city
and
how
much
undeveloped
land
should
be
included?
N
L
You
know
I
mean,
if
you
you
know,
if
you
peruse
most
comprehensive
plans,
especially
in
the
state
of
florida,
you
will
look
for
you'll
find
you
know,
for
you
know
like
in
tarpon.
You
know
we
have
level
of
service
for
for
parks
and
open
space,
and
it
is
expressed
as
in
terms
of
a
certain
amount
of
acreage
of
you,
know,
neighborhood
parks
and
regional
parks
per
population,
and
we
actually
very
much
exceed
you
know
those
standards
in
the
city
of
tarpon
right
now.
L
L
It's
a
real
balancing
act
between
you
know
when
you,
you
know
there,
there
are
development
rights
on
property,
and
you
know
so
a
lot
of
the
property
that's
out
there
that
is
left
does
have
some
kind
of
underlying
development
rights.
And
so
you
know
that's
a
push
and
pull
that
you
know.
That's.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that
tonight.
But
most
you
know
most
comprehensive
plans
will
have
some
kind
of
of
standard
in
there.
B
All
right,
so
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
item
number.
Four,
the
the
discussion
of
natural
systems.
B
Okay,
so
moving
on
to
item
number
five,
which
is
the
discussion
that
I
asked
to
be
put
on
the
agenda
and
what
it's
pertaining
to
is
energy
efficiency.
B
So
the
body
in
florida
that
regulates
the
seven
investor-owned
utilities
that
generate
power
is
the
public
service.
Commission,
florida,
energy
and
efficiency
and
conservation
act
calls
on
utilities
to
set
goals
every
five
years
recently.
Plans
for
energy
efficiency
programs
have
shrunk
to
really
almost
nothing.
B
Vega
utilities
are
currently
required
to
educate
low-income
customers
on
energy
savings
or
energy
efficiency
opportunities,
but
the
commission
doesn't
require
them
to
meet
spending
levels
or
savings
levels,
and
so
utilities
that
offer
few
or
no
programs
are
really
not
serving
those
low
income
customers
that
they're
charged
to
so
the
commission
right
now
is
in
the
process
of
revising
its
goal-setting
rule
and
it
can
either
overhaul
them
or
it
can
tweak
the
the
way
that
they
address
energy
efficiency
right
now.
B
The
staff
is
not
planning
to
address
like
the
fundamentally
flawed
decades-old
economic
screening
practices
instead
to
offer
tweaks.
So
you
know
making
minor
adjustments
to
a
system.
That's
inherently
flawed
is
really
not
going
to
get
florida
closer
to
our
energy
efficiency
goals.
B
So
unless
the
public
service
commission
addresses
outdated
screening
practices,
utilities
in
florida
are
going
to
continue
to
under
invest
in
energy
efficiency
and
and
set,
you
know,
fail
to
set
meaningful
savings
goals.
We
have.
Florida
has
almost
has
among
the
highest
energy
bills
in
the
country
because
of
well
partially
because
of
this
so
specifically
they're
using
it's
called
the
rim
test
or
the
rate
impact
measure.
B
It's
basically
a
formula
for
setting
energy
efficiency
goals
and
instead
of
treating
customer
savings,
energy
savings
is
a
benefit.
B
They
count
it
as
a
cost
to
the
utility
companies
being
able
to
make
a
return
on
investment
so,
like
the
the
formula
itself
does
not
allow
for
energy
efficiency,
really
measures
that
would
help
customers
cut
waste
and
reduce
their
power
bills.
B
B
B
Ticket
items
can
really
result
in
energy
efficiency
measures
for
them.
So
you
know
the
the
process
is
dynamic.
The
way
that
we
have
energy
efficiency
technologies
is
vastly
improving.
We
talked
last
month
about
my
appliance
that
was
20
years
old
and
how
crazy
much
more
efficient
the
the
appliances
are.
B
So
that's
why
regulators
across
the
country
periodically
modernize
their
approach
so
when
they
announced
this
rule
making
process,
it's
a
real
big
opportunity
to
make
it
right
and
that's
what?
What
a
lot
of
like
my
organization
and
a
lot
of
other
allies
across
the
state
and
stakeholders
across
the
state
that
are
interested
in
energy
efficiency,
are
asking
and
calling
upon
the
public
service
commission
to
really
revamp
the
way
that
they
address
energy
efficiency
policy.
B
So
there
are
a
couple
of
things:
actions
that
the
city
could
take
to
engage
in
the
process.
So
one
is
a
resolution
to
the
public
service
commission,
encouraging
them
to
modernize
the
energy
savings
policies,
to
abandon
practices
that
penalize
saving
energy
and
reduce
electricity
bills
by
increasing
access
to
energy
saving
programs.
B
If
the
commission
doesn't
feel
inclined
to
do
that,
individual
commissioners
or
the
mayor
could
write
a
could
sign
on
to
a
letter
that
addresses
those
same
points
and
a
letter
that
would
go
to
the
public
service
commission.
B
And
so
I
would
like
for
our
committee
to
formally
ask
the
board
of
commissioners
to
either
pass
a
resolution
or
if
they
don't
feel
comfortable,
doing
that
at
least
asking
individual
commissioners
and
the
mayor
to
sign
on
to
the
sign
out
letter
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
neighboring
communities
are
drafting
a
resolution
as
well.
I
I
think,
paul
st
petersburg,
maybe
the
county
or
have
already
drafted
a
resolution.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
we
could
work
with
them,
but
they
have
sample
language
as
well.
So
perhaps
it
would
be
good
to
work
with
them
on
this.
K
Would
it
be
possible
for
this
committee
to
draft
a
letter
just
saying
that
we're
we're
these
are
our
concerns,
or
do
you
think
it
would
have
to
come
from?
I
mean
if,
if
the
city
would
choose
to
do
that,
that
would
be
great,
but
over
the
years
I've
also
contacted
the
commission,
the
public
service
commission,
public
service
commissions
for
many
issues.
As
a
as
a
when
I
was
on
the
commission,
but
also
as
a
resident
or
just
a
citizen
or
whatever
they're.
I
mean
they're
that
that's
what
you
know
we're
supposed
to
do.
K
B
B
N
N
N
And
to
address
stories
concern
of
time
we
could
draft
it
at
the
staff
level,
send
it
out
to
you
all,
and
if
anyone
has
any
comments,
you
could
get
it
back
to
me,
but
you
know
I
could
take
the
initial
direction
from
dory
on
the
wording,
if
everyone's
comfortable
with
that-
and
we
could
actually
get
that
going
before
our
next
meeting.
If
everyone.
A
Agrees
really
good
idea,
because
if
there
were
a
letter,
then
the
commission
wouldn't
have
to
write
one
right
and
then
they
could
just
endorse
it.
It
would
certainly
have
more
clout
if
it
came
from
the
commissioners,
but
there's
no
reason
that
it
can't
come
from
them
and
from
this
committee,
and
whomever
else
wants
to
do
it,
but
I
think
paul's
right.
A
If,
if
we
could
get
something
to
give
to
them,
it
would
make
the
process
quicker
and
we
would
be
able
to
as
a
committee
to
be
able
to
have
the
wording
the
way
we
want
to.
A
B
J
B
Because
I,
I
definitely
feel
that
energy,
you
know
the
best.
The
best
kilowatt
is
the
walk
that
we
don't
use
in
the
first
place,
especially
in
terms
of
trying
to
nip
our
bills
in
the
bud
and
emissions.
So
next
item
items
for
the
next
agenda.
B
I
would
really
like
to
keep
going
with
the
with
star
framework
and
try
to
complete
the
natural
systems
portion
coalesce
around
that
the
next
meeting
and
then
also
spend
some
time
looking
at
the
land
development
code
and
to
your
recommendation
carol
and
robin,
I
think,
maybe
paul
and
renee,
and
I
can
work
out
what
topics
would
be
helpful
sequentially
if
there
is
if
there
are
any
or,
if
not,
maybe
just
pick
a
few
and
then
send
those
out
to
to
everyone
in
an
email
so
that
we
can
be
focused
on
some
targeted
areas
in
the
land
development
code.
B
And
I
think
that
that's
really
like
those
two
parallel
tracks
of
work
are
what
we
should
be
focusing
on.
In
addition,
maybe
also
some
like,
like
rene,
mentioned
some
low-hanging
fruit,
so
you
know
what
we
can
accomplish
quickly.
Instead
of
waiting
for
the
whole
plant
to
come
together,.
A
B
Sounds
good
so
yeah
so
sticking
with
the
land
development
code,
work,
the
star
framework
work
and
then,
if
there's
short-term
actions
that
we
can
take
and
and
keep
those
three
kind
of
categories
as
the
template
for
our
meetings
for
the
next
couple
months.
E
E
And
is
the
they
said,
bang
the
table
that
should
be
done
in
about
a
month
or
so.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
okay,
because
then
maybe
we,
if
it's
ready,
we
might
be
able
to
like
talk
about
what
we're
going
to
have
on
there.
B
B
All
right,
I
think,
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
for
next
month
and
in
between
so
are
there
any
public
comments
at
this
time.
B
And
there's
no
one
here
so
staff
comments.
N
I
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
again
to
the
plan
and
zoning
team
and
also
tommy
and
ashley
for
their
work.
I
hope
it
came
across
to
you
all
the
kind
of
support
we're
getting
from
staff
on
sustainability
initiatives.
There's
a
lot
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
and
I
want
you
all
to
know
you're,
making
more
of
an
impact
than
you
may
even
know.
H
Paul
it
sounds
like
there's
some
real
interest
and
excitement
staff
for
this.
These
concepts
too,
and
that's
really
nice,
to
hear-
and
it's
really
encouraging
to
see
the
kind
of
work
and
effort
and
thoroughness
that
goes
into
it.
N
Yes,
in
fact,
I
wanted
to
also
mention
here
we're
starting
our
second
phase
of
solar
expansion
at
the
ro
facility,
we're
in
the
study
phase
now
so
we're
planning-
it's
probably
not
lost
on
you
all
that
that's
our
highest
energy
user.
So
it
makes
sense
to
maximize
that
site
we're
dealing
with
a
small
footprint,
but
we're
going
to
do
as
much
as
we
can.
There.
B
K
Hear
it
you
know
the
the
thing.
That's
on
my
mind,
really
ties
in
with
what
we've
been
talking
about,
and
that
is
trees.
Someone
sent
me
an
email
from
duke
energy
saying
that
they
were
having
a
tree
giveaway
and
it
was
they
sent
it
to
me
the
morning
that
the
tree
giveaway
was
opened.
I
went
to
duke
energy
site
to
get
the
trees
they're
all
local
trees,
with
advice
on
where
to
plant
them.
How
to
do
it?
Da
da
da
da
there
were
no
trees
left,
oh
no
yeah!
K
That
means
like
that's
sorry,
you
missed
it.
So
I
just
know
that
there's
such
an
a
call
for
that-
and
I
also
heard
a
very
inspiring
story
about
a
gentleman
in
india
who
who
planted,
I
don't
know
some
outrageous
number
of
trees
in
a
desert.
It
was
like
one
16
million.
Let's
just
pull
that
number
out.
I
mean
a
huge
number
of
trees
and
transformed
the
ecosystem
of
this
entire
area
just
by
having
people
planting
trees.
K
K
But
I
think
that
there's
there's
so
many
ways
for
us
to
encourage
tree
planting
and
doing
small
amounts
that
will
incrementally.
Just
like
we
talk
about
taking
away
habitat
one
bite
at
a
time.
I
think
we
can
also
contribute
to
our
canopy
in
a
way.
That's
not
necessarily,
let's
get
this
developer
to
not
take
out
any
trees
that
our
20
gosh.
How
many
do
we
have
now
25
000
residents?
K
You
know
if
each
resident,
I
don't
know
how
many
homesteads,
that
is,
how
many
houses
or
how
many
developments
planted
or
even
a
community
like
the
new
apartments
that
are
going
in.
You
know
how
can
how
can
all
of
those
become
more
robust
by
increasing
tree
plantings
everywhere,
so
small
large
making
it
easy
for
people
sign
up
for
a
tree?
K
I
know
they're
very,
very
desirable
when
we
have
the
touch
of
truck
and
the
tree
giveaways
they're
gone
like
I
mean
I
get
there,
you
know
not
the
break
of
day
or
anything,
but
every
single
time
I've
gone
there.
All
the
trees
have
been
long
gone,
and
I
see
people
walking
away
with
their
little
pine
trees
or
their
little
magnolias,
and
you
know
I
think
that
that's
something
that's
people
are
interested
in
and
it
would
contribute.
B
A
Piggyback
on
that,
because
I
mean
one
of
the
things
about
planting
trees,
is
you
just
can't
really
nearly
plant
a
tree?
You
have
to
sort
of
know
what
kind
of
trees
go
together
and
help
to
form
a
community
because
they
work
together
and
also
if
you
live
near
the
water
like
on
a
bayou
you're,
going
to
plant
different
trees
than
if
you
live
inland.
So
there's
got
to
be
some
education
about
you
know
not.
Everybody
knows
how
to
plant
a
tree,
but,
for
example,
where
I
live
there's
a
little
park.
A
Occasionally
the
city
comes
in
most
lawn,
but
it's
basically
dirt.
Now,
if
we
had
in
the
city
a
cadre
of
trained
master
gardeners,
volunteers
and
master
tree
people,
they
could
go
to
different
neighborhoods
and,
for
example,
in
our
neighborhood
help.
The
neighbors
get
together
and
teach
us
how
to
revitalize
the
park.
And
if
we
knew
how
to
do
that,
then
we
could
then
know
more
about
what
to
do
in
our
own
homes.
A
So
it's
a
way
of
building
neighborhoods
and
relationships,
but
it's
also
a
way
of
improving
the
tree.
Canopy
improving
our
environment,
because
it's
both
the
tree
canopy
and
what's
underneath
it
and
and
training
this
whole
volunteer
cadre
of
master
gardeners
and
master
tree
people.
So
because,
if
you
just
have
one
arborist,
she
can
just
do
so
much
but
and
then
that
becomes
it
makes
us
a
city
of
knowledgeable
people.
B
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
yeah
so
similarly
to
what,
if
you
could
put
that
on
paper,
so
that
we
can
put
a
request
to
staff
or
see
if
that's
feasible,
because
you
know
I
don't
know
time
wise
like
what
what
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
arborist
what
she
can
commit
to
or
but
I
think
that
something
like
that
would
be
fantastic
to
have
because,
like
you
said
it's
building
community,
which
is
one
of
the
neighborhoods
and
community.
A
B
Agreed
and
I
think
that
those
kind
of
educational
opportunities
we
should
be
talking
about
how
we
can
develop
like
a
list
of
what
we'd
like
to
see
and
see
if
it's
staff
or
if
it's
another
organization
or
if
it's
you
know
who
who
would
help
to
make
it
happen,.
K
B
D
B
B
All
right:
well,
then,
I
guess
we
will
go
ahead
and
can
I
get
a
motion
to
adjourn
it's
8
28.