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A
B
E
All
right
welcome
good
evening
to
everybody
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
tarpon
spring
sustainability
committee,
this
thursday
october,
the
15th
at
6
00
p.m.
Can
we
please
get
a
roll
call
cheer.
G
E
All
right,
so,
let's
go
right
into
our
first
agenda
item,
which
is
the
discussion
of
the
community
engagement
listening
session.
So
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
paul
smith
to
guide
us
into
that
conversation.
C
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
them
up
front
for
being
with
us
tonight,
they're
going
to
give
an
overview
of
the
work
they've
done
with
us
so
far
and
as
I've
said
before,
I
really
see
this
as
the
beginning
for
us
as
a
sustainability
committee
and
the
city
to
continue
conversations
with
the
community,
and
some
of
that
ifas
will
be
touching
base
back
with
us
on
these
initial
efforts
as
we
go
along.
So
I
look
forward
to
continue
to
work
with
them
and
ramona.
Would
you
like
to
take
it
from
here.
H
H
So
we
structured
this
similarly
to
a
project
that
we
are
working
on
with
the
kettering
foundation.
If
you
haven't
heard
of
them,
they
do
a
lot
of
work
in
democracy,
so
they
are
very
interested
in
the
ecology
of
democracy
and
how
democratic
practices
can
be
used
within
communities
and
should
be
used
within
communities,
and
we
have
been
applying
it
to
sustainability
myself
and
another
colleague
who
is
on
the
east
coast
of
florida.
H
H
Based
on
our
work
with
kettering?
We
find
that
the
values-based
question
works
really
well
for
introducing
and
connecting
all
of
the
participants
at
the
listening
sessions,
and
then
we
can
dive
into
some
of
their
concerns
and
as
well
as
some
of
their
interests
in
terms
of
long-term
needs
and
priorities
for
the
city
and
overall,
the
region,
if
you
would
because
so
many
of
these
issues
tend
to
be
interconnected
and
share
in
the
quality
of
life.
So
thomas
rupert
will
provide
some
of
the
highlights
from
the
listening
sessions
last
week.
H
I
Thank
you
very
much
ramona
and
thank
you
paul
and
sustainability
committee.
So
I
want
to
note
from
the
outset
here
before
talking
about
some
of
the
input
risks
we
received
that.
Yes,
the
question
that
we
started
with
what
you
value
about
the
community
of
tarpon
springs
is
extremely
broad.
It's
actually
much
much
broader
than
the
purpose
or
the
real
goal
that
we
had
with
the
grant
funded
project.
That
is
helping
us
to
do
this.
I
Collaboration
with
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
as
that
grant
funded
project
specifically
focuses
on
sea
level
rise
and
flooding
impacts,
particularly
in
underrepresented
communities,
but
yet
we
did
start
one
of
the
reasons
we
start
with
such
a
broad
question
is,
as
ramona
noted,
more
connect
with
the
community.
I
In
addition,
I
think
it's
just
very
important
when
trying
to
work
with
underrepresented
communities
that
you
give
them
the
opportunity
to
actually
truly
listen
to
what
are
their
primary
concerns,
because
it's
a
foundational
principle
in
the
idea
of
outreach
and
extension
that
you
first
find
out
what
people
care
about
before
you
try
to
quote
unquote,
educate
them,
because
the
analogy
I've
used
before
is
if
somebody
is
really
in
desperate
need
of
a
refrigerator.
And
yet
you
are
just
insisting
on
trying
to
sell
them
a
washing
machine,
you're
probably
going
to
fail.
I
But
if
you
know
they
need
a
refrigerator,
it's
going
to
be
a
really
easy
sell.
So
it's
just
it's
understanding
what
people
care
about.
So
with
that
some
of
the
high
points
when,
when
we
asked
what
people
value
about
the
community
of
tarpon
springs,
it
was
a
very
clear
and
came
through
repeatedly
that
they
really
really
value
the
natural
beauty
of
tarpon
springs
and
all
the
shoreline
and
the
water
resources.
I
You
have
also
came
up
numerous
times
about
the
diversity
and
the
greek
culture
and
the
interesting
mixing
of
the
greek
culture
with
some
of
the
african-american
culture
and
other
cultures.
People
enjoy
the
small
town.
Many
different
aspects
of
the
small
town
feel
whether
you
call
it
that
small
town
feel
or
that
it's
an
easier
to
engage
with
community,
that
the
scale
is
more
human.
They
really
like
that
neighbors
are
caring,
they
enjoy
the
fact.
I
I
I
And
here
we
got
a
broad
array
of
issues
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
one
one
point
that
came
up
was
people
wanted
a
more
walkable
community.
There
was
an
expressed
need.
Despite
the
fact
of
all
these
different
community
organizations,
there
was
a
still
expressed
a
need
for
helping
low
income
and
poor
people
folk
and
with
a
greater
focus
on
affordable
housing
and
food
availability.
I
Since
that
is
such
a
big
part
of
the
tourism
draw
there
in
tarpon
springs
on
a
related
note,
sea
level,
rise,
impacts
on
sewage
and
water
quality
and
drainage
issues
within
the
city,
which,
of
course
relates
also
to
the
infrastructure,
problems
generally
and
sea
level
rise
and
flooding
and
their
impacts
on
tourism
and
local
businesses.
So
you
kind
of
see
a
pattern
there
of
water,
drainage,
flooding,
civil
rise
and
the
impacts,
cascading
impacts
on
tourism.
I
We
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
about
public
health
and
public
and
the
equity
issues
involved
there,
along
with
the
long-term
impacts,
the
pandemic
on
the
tourism
industry
and
the
impacts
on
local
businesses,
of
course,
and
long-term
economic
impacts
there,
and
we
also
heard
concerns
about
increasing
violence
in
the
community
of
tarpon
springs,
and
I
think
that's
potentially
also
related
to
the
historical
and
even
physical
divide
that
was
mentioned
amongst
african
americans,
poorer
people
and
others
in
the
community
and
finally,
for
with
question
three.
I
What
types
of
efforts
should
the
city
prioritize
to
meet
the
needs
of
you
and
your
neighbors,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
different
responses
here
and
seeking
greater
diversity
in
the
listening
sessions.
The
all
these
responses
came
from
because
there's
a
real
there
was
an
express
desire
to
ensure
that
there's
deep
and
broad
community
community
engagements
on
the
challenges
facing
facing
tarpon
springs.
So
that
point
was
well
taken.
I
I
Because,
again,
as
you
recall,
that
was
one
of
the
points
that
was
really
valued
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
People
wanted
to
say,
focus
on
more
discussions
on
climate
change
and
civil
rights.
So
I
think
it's
great
what
the
sustainability
committee
is
doing
right
here,
of
course,
planning
for
sea
level
rise
and
how
to
address
it.
Finding
ways
to
help
families
connect
and
share
the
burdens
and
joys
of
home
life
and
to
have
them
find
some
more
time
and
ability
to
be
involved
in
community.
I
And
another
interesting
point
was
that
the
city
could
emphasize
working
to
help
the
many
great
community
organizations
that
you
have
already
to
not
reinvent
the
wheel
by
ensuring
that,
when
they're
working
on
similar
topics
that
they
could
actually
collaborate
together
on
that
and
that
tarpon
springs
should
also
collaborate
with
other
local
governments
and
make
sure
to
take
action
on
whatever
plans
come
to
fruition
through
the
sustainability
committee
and
these
listening
sessions.
I
And
I
guess,
then
there
was
a
question
that
we
only
reached
and
I
think
one
of
the
listening
sessions,
and
that
was
what
are
the
top
three
things
the
city
is
doing
well
for
residents
and
what
are
three
areas
or
things
where
the
city
could
improve.
Some
of
the
things
that
people
thought
there
could
be
some
improvement
in
is
targeting
some
of
the
younger
up
and
coming
african-american
leaders
in
the
community.
I
Doing
more
outreach
and
collaboration
with
the
many
churches
in
the
community
focus
even
more
on
listening
to
the
community
and
then
things
that
the
city
is
doing
well.
Is
the
tarpon
springs
ministerial
association
as
an
example
of
collaboration,
the
citizens
alliance
for
progress
and
that
cap
came
up
numerous
times
throughout
the
session.
So
that
was
good
to
hear
and
something
else
that
they're
doing
well.
H
I
think
one
thing
I
would
want
the
committee
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we've
only
conducted
three
listening
sessions
right.
So
what
we
have
is
a
snapshot
of
a
snapshot
in
the
sense
of
you
know.
Three
listenings
and
sessions
doesn't
necessarily
constitute
the
entire
community
of
tarpon
springs
that
would
want
to
attend
or
participate.
So
I
think
we
need
to
consider,
as
a
committee
and
as
a
project
in
terms
of
what
thomas
is
working
on
with
the
flood
risk
project.
H
Is
how
many
more
of
these
we
need
to
convene
and
based
on
our
interactions
and
discussions
with
the
committee.
Our
goal
was
to
work
through
the
list
of
champions
that
dory
and
the
committee
had
put
together,
and
then
we
would
dive
in
deeper
to
look
at
some
other
constituent
engagement
opportunities
to
support
the
project
that
thomas
is
working
on,
but
also
to
provide
and
refine
input
for
whatever
action
plan.
The
city
and
the
committee
would
decide
to
move
forward
and
and
to
prior
to
rise
to
some
extent
based
on
what
we're
hearing
from
the
community.
H
What
might
be
you
know
the
top
five
or
top
ten
things
that
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
would
want
to
work
on?
I
do
want
to
ask
sharon
joy,
clyce,
who
is
with
us
tonight
if
she
would
like
to
provide
any
input
here,
since
sharon
listened-
and
you
know
has
had
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
community
and
within
pinellas
county.
If
she
would
like
to
add
anything
based
on
her
musings,
I
like
to
call
them
convergences.
She
does
a
good
job.
F
Well,
thank
you
for
that
surprise.
Invitation
ramona,
as
you
all
have
gone
through,
and
thank
you
thomas
for
your
succinct
summary.
It
sparks
my
heart
again,
I
feel
like
we've
lit
the
fire
again
tonight.
F
Let's
be
clear.
Diversity
is
more
than
one
or
two
things
and
that's
part
of
what
I
heard
I
really
am
excited
of,
even
though
they
were
small
snapshots
of
what
we
heard
in
the
earlier
listenings.
F
C
Thank
you,
everybody
and
always
great
way
to
close
with
comments
from
sharon.
I
do
want
to
mention.
I
look
forward
to
moving
into
some
other
media
with
the
group,
such
as
in-person
meetings,
once
we're
able
to
do
that.
I
think
that
our
virtual
meetings
are
great,
but
they
do
have
limitations
seams
and
participation
amount.
So
I
think
you
know
we
recognize
that,
and
this
committee
has
talked
about
it,
so
I
think
it's
just
more
validation
that
we
look
forward
to
this
just
being
the
beginning.
C
So
with
that
dory
I'll,
bring
it
back
over
to
you
for
discussion.
B
E
And
I
just
wanted
to
thank
again
ramona
and
thomas
and
sharon
joy
for
helping
us
facilitate
those
preliminary
conversations.
I
think
there's
just
that
that
I
would
like
to
see
continued
conversations
with
the
community
that
will
help
us
to
kind
of
guide
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
this
sustainability
action
plan,
and
I
I
wanted
to
highlight
that.
E
I
think
that
we
heard
lots
of
different
a
wide
range
of
concern,
concerns
and
values
from
the
community,
and
I
think
that
we
should
consider
that
when
we're
looking
at
the
plan
itself.
E
I
know
that
personally,
when
I
initially
did
outreach
to
the
commissioners
individually
to
try
to
seek
support
for
creating
a
sustainability
action
plan
creating
a
sustainability
committee.
I
shared
with
them
the
star
system
and
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
so
that
I
can
talk
about
that.
So.
E
This
is
a
sustainability
framework
that
a
lot
of
communities
have
adopted.
E
The
city
of
st
petersburg
is
using
this
framework
as
well,
as
I
know,
broward
county
and
like
lots
of
other
communities
throughout
the
the
country,
and
I
think
that
it
really
does
touch
on
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
initially
wanted
to
focus
on,
like
the
built
environment
and
climate
and
energy.
But
then
it
also
and
natural
systems
the
things
that
you
traditionally
think
of
with
sustainability.
E
And
it
also
looks
at
the
other
two
pillars
of
sustainability,
which
is
the
economy
and
industry
and
then
also
the
human
aspect
of
sustainability,
which
is
the
arts
and
education
and
equity,
empowerment,
health
and
safety.
E
So
I
just
in
I
guess,
just
kind
of
reflecting
on
the
listening
sessions
and
where
we
are
realized
that
I
was
maybe
thinking
of
this
whole
big
picture,
including
all
of
these
in
the
sustainability
action
plan.
But
that
may
not
that
I
don't
know
that
we
ever
came
to
like
a
consensus
or
agreed
that
as
a
group,
I
kind
of
assumed
it
myself
so
wanted
to
open
that
up
for
a
conversation
amongst
our
committee
members.
So
I'll
just
pause
there
and
and
get
some
feedback.
J
But
dory,
I
found
the
dichotomy
between
the
first
and
the
second
listening
session
to
be
interesting
in
the
first
listening
session.
The
questions
were
merely
asked
in
the
manner
that
was
just
described
and
we
got
responses
regarding
the
homeless.
J
We
got
the
old
saw
about
give
a
man
a
fish
versus
teaching
a
man
of
fish,
but
there
was
little
or
nothing
except
for
a
comment
by
thomas
at
the
end
about
flooding
or
sea
level
rise
in
the
second
listening
session.
In
contrast,
a
couple
of
us
focused
in
on
the
risks
to
the
community
from
various
aspects
of
climate
change.
J
Karen
talked
about
a
kayak
at
the
bottom
of
her
street.
I
talked
about
the
projections
for
heat
and
for
flooding
and
paul
specifically
talked
about
climate
change
areas
that
the
committee
has
looked
at
like
shoreline
sea
level,
rise,
heat,
public
health,
clean
water,
etc,
resilience,
and
in
the
second
listening
session
we
got
responses
that
were
quite
different.
We
got
things
like
from
david
lowman
of
odd,
fellows,
a
concern
about
rising
tides
and
the
quote.
People
will
or
people
must.
J
J
We
need
more
renewable
and
clean
energy
and
jean
hungerville
that
the
president
of
the
chamber
said
floods
shut
the
docks
down.
J
So
I
think
we
got
answers
at
the
second
listening
session
because
of
the
focus
because
of
the
strategic
just
a
little
bit
of
education
of
our
responders
from
paul
and
a
couple
of
others
of
us
that
we
are
we're.
Not
writing
a
vision
statement
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
that's
not
our
charge.
J
The
resolution
that
created
this
committee
very
specifically
is
focused
on
environment
and
the
kind
of
general
questions
are
nice,
but
we
are
not
dealing
with
an
entire
city
umbrella.
We
are
dealing
focused
on
and
we
need
to
focus
on
if
we're
ever
going
to
finish
our
work,
the
problems
that
climate
change
and
the
environment
and
environmental
risks
pose
to
our.
A
Since
I
wasn't
at
the
second
session,
is
that
last
comment
coming
from
you,
dr
robinson,
or
is
it
something
that
was
stated
in
that
meeting
that
the
sustainability
doesn't
have
an
overarching
effect
on
city
planning
at
all?
Or
what
did
you
just
say?
I'm
sorry,
is
it
coming
from
you
or
is
it
coming
from
someone
that
was
at
that
particular
session.
J
D
So
can
I
jump
in
and
make
a
comment
I
was.
I
was
not
able
to
participate
in
the
first.
I
have
a
request.
I
was
not
able
to
participate
in
the
first
listening
session.
I
was
able
to
be
there
for
the
second
and
third
ones.
Is
it
possible
to
get
a
list
of
people
who
attended
all
the
sessions
just
so
we
know
who
you
know?
D
Maybe,
should
we
continue
with
this
in
the
future
if
they
were
invited
the
first
time
and
couldn't
maybe
there's
a
representative
from
their
same
group
that
could
be
there
for
the
next
time
it
just
might
give
us
an
idea
of
who,
who
we
got
all
the
input
from
and
the
other
thing
just
real
quickly.
I
wanted
to
mention,
because
I've
been
thinking
about
this
a
lot
since
I
listened
to
the
first
session
was
one
of
the
questions
I
believe-
and
I
may
not
have
written
it
down
verbatim.
D
So
I'm
sorry,
but
was
what
concerns
do
you?
Your
friends
and
neighbors
have
about
living
in
tarpon
springs,
and
so
I
think
some
of
the
things
maybe
paul
robinson
that
you
were
discussing
are
some
of
the
concerns
that
people
have
in
their
communities
in
tarpon
springs,
and
I
think
that
we're
in
a
position
where
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
write
about
and
help
make
the
city
more
sustainable
will,
in
turn,
help
address
some
of
the
things
that
were
concerns
for
other
people.
D
I
agree
with
you
with
the
scope
of
of
what
we
would
be
asked
to
do.
Should
we
address,
you
know
homelessness,
as
as
our
priority
in
the
sustainability
committee,
maybe
maybe
well
beyond
the
reach
and
the
scope
of
what
we're
expected
to
do.
But
I
think
that
by
addressing
certain
sustainability
elements,
we
are
in
turn
able
to
help
address
some
of
those
things
and
again
with
the
resolution.
One
of
our
one
of
our
charges
is
is
to
empower
every
resident
of
the
city
regardless
of
social
or
economic.
D
You
know
placement
in
our
community,
so
I
think
that
it
was
good
to
hear
that
so
many
of
these
concerns
weren't
necessarily
focused
on
climate
change.
Yet
I
think
that
you
know
it
just
literally
one
comment
somebody
made
to
me
at
one
point
who
I
don't
believe
was
able
to
be
on
any
of
the
sessions
was
one
of
their
biggest
concerns
in
in
their
communities
is
crime,
and
how
does
that?
How?
How
is
the
sustainability
committee
going
to
help
with
crime
in
their
community?
D
And
I
said
you
know-
that's
that's
a
great
question
and
I
don't
know
that
independently.
We
can
do
that,
but
if
we're
thinking
about
you
know
right
up
the
road
for
me,
they
put
a
bunch
of
new
lights
in
because
we
had
an
incident
a
few
years
ago
in
our
in
our
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I
kind
of
chuckled
at
how
simple
it
is.
Is
we
put
lighting
in
that's
more,
you
know
conducive
to
our
environment.
D
D
You
know
in
the
grand
scope
of
things
being
more
sustainable,
so
I
that
was
just
kind
of
my
my
two
cents.
I
really
appreciated
the
listening
sessions.
I
heard
from
you
know
things
that
don't
affect
that.
I
don't
notice
in
my
everyday
life
necessarily
I
was
there
was
an
awareness
brought
for
me
to
me,
so
I
appreciated
them,
but
I
don't
know
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
listen
to
the
concerns
of
everybody
in
the
community.
D
I
just
don't
know
that
we
are
necessarily
going
to
be
able
to
address
them
in.
In
being
that
specific,
you
know
we
are
not
as
a
sustainability
committee.
Are
we
charged
with
fixing
homeless
issues
in
the
city
or
food
insecurity
etc?
Not
necessarily,
but
again,
I
think
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
doing
do
then
address
those
secondarily.
I
Dory
while
I'm
not
a
committee
member
might
I
ask
permission
to
add
something
from
the
summary
that
I
had
emailed
to
paul
and
ramona
that
I
neglected
to
add.
At
the
beginning,
it's
relevant
to
this
question.
Yeah.
There
was
at
one
point
something
kind
of
similar
to
this
question
came
up
and
it
was
unless
listening
session
number
two
and
dave
silman.
I
I
don't
have
anything
verbatim
from
him
here,
but
my
notes
say
that
when
talking
about
you
know
the
breadth
of
what
is
discussed
and
whether
or
not
housing,
food,
medical
care,
greater
concerns
than
climate
change
and
civil
rights,
one
of
the
things
that
he
said
was
that
you
cannot
effectively
address
climate
change
and
civil
rights
without
also
addressing
many
of
these
other
issues,
and
he
said
that
a
lot
of
the
he
viewed
a
lot
of
the
way.
I
Best
ways
to
address
climate
change
still
rise,
inherently
involve
in
dress,
addressing
challenges
such
as
housing,
food,
medical
care
and
other
long-term
or
chronic
issues,
and
he
discussed
the
growing
change
towards
a
cleaner
energy
environment
as
a
real
economic
opportunity,
rather
than
necessarily
a
cost.
So
he
was
actually
discussing
a
lot
of
the
interconnections
there.
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
extra
piece.
I
think
like
when
I
just
was
looking
at
what
we
have
already
reviewed
from
other
communities
and
where
we're
at.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we're
not
writing.
Just
like
largo,
it's
their
environmental
action
plan
and
with
sarasota
it
was
their
their
climate
action
plan.
E
E
E
With
the,
for
example,
with
the
star
system,
I
don't
think
that
when
any
city
is
doing
this,
you
have
to
have
a
component
of
each
of
the
squares.
E
Rather,
you
use
this
as
a
framework,
and
then
we
would
decide
as
a
as
a
community
where
we
would
really
like
to
focus,
and
I
also
don't
think
to
karen's
point.
I
don't
think
the
city
or
the
sustainability
committee
has
to
be
the
the
group
that
would
be
in
charge
of
any
of
these
specific
actions.
E
E
So
that
would
be
this
the
square
here,
I'm
looking
at
civic
engagement,
their
one
target
or
their
one
action
is
to
partner
with
local
groups
to
increase
voting
and
volunteerism.
That,
to
me
is
something
that
would
perpetuate
sustainability,
but
it's
not
necessarily
something
that
the
sustainability
action
committee
is
going
to
actually
do.
So.
If
you
look
at
the
chart
here,
partnering
with
local
groups
to
increase,
voting
and
volunteerism
the
type
it's
a
collaboration,
is
the
action
and
you're
collaborating
with
other
community
partners.
That
would
perhaps
do
the
work.
E
H
There
is
an
entire
category
that
is
quality
of
life,
and
I
think
what
we're
hearing
within
the
community,
as
karen
artfully
articulated,
was
that
some
of
these
issues
may
not
seem
that
they
are
directly
related
to
sustainability,
but
by
improving
the
quality
of
life
in
general,
we
are
making
an
impact
on
this
social
pillar
of
sustainability
and
we
are
making
an
impact
on
equity.
So
I
just
want
us
to
consider
that
that
you
know
start
community
framework
is
a
great
framework.
H
I
would
also
caution
the
committee,
given
my
experience
with
both
star
communities,
my
involvement
with
lead
for
cities
right
now,
and
my
prior
involvement
with
florida,
green
building
coalition
and
their
frameworks
for
local
government
that
all
of
these
standards
and
certification
programs
are
meant
to
be
helpful
in
the
sense
that
I
don't
want
the
committee
to
consider
them
as
being
prescriptive.
You
don't
have
to
do
all
of
these
actions.
You
don't
have
to
undertake
all
of
these
things.
H
They're
really
meant
to
be
a
baseline
assessment
of
where
you
are
as
a
community
as
a
city
and
to
help
you
to
strive
for
what
might
be
some
long-term
actions
plans
measures
that
you
as
a
community
would
like
to
put
in
place.
That
would
reflect
what
you
may
have
heard
from
community
constituents
who
attended
meetings
so
just
be
mindful
of
that.
You
know,
don't
go
into
it.
Based
on
my
experience
of
you
know,
you
want
to
be
gold
or
you
want
to
be
platinum
or
you
want
to
be
silver
or
whatever
that
desire.
H
It's
like
this
is
where
we
are
right
now
as
a
community
point
in
time,
and
this
is
where
we
hope
to
be
once
we're
able
to
travel
down
that
road
with
the
metrics
that
are
within
the
framework.
So
I
think
star
is
a
great
framework,
a
great
place
to
start
something
to
consider,
because
it's
no
longer
valid
as
a
an
assessment
tool.
So
you
might
want
to
look
at
florida,
green
building
coalition
or
you
may
want
to
look
at
the
lead
for
cities
framework.
H
But
I
think
considering
the
quality
of
life
component
pieces
is
so
important
because
it's
always
the
pillar
of
sustainability
that
is
often
overlooked
and
undervalued
when
we
think
about
the
communities
in
the
long
run
and
how
we
are
going
to
create
not
just
a
culture
of
sustainability
but
sustain
that
for
the
long
term.
Thank
you
dory
for
allowing
me
to
chime
in.
F
Sharon
joy,
yes,
thank
you
and
I'm
an
outsider
from
st
petersburg
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
sustainability
movement
here
for
a
very
long
time
so
paul.
I
feel
your
pain
as
you
spoke
as
you
spoke.
It
hit
a
part
of
me
that
remembered
the
pain
and
I
think
I
started
off
thinking
about
the
environment
being
out
of
balance,
and
then
somebody
came
up
with
this
great
word
sustainability
and
it
hurt
a
little
bit
because
I
couldn't
quite
stretch
that
far,
but
it
it
it
seems
to
be
in
this
15
or
so
years.
F
I've
had
a
chance
to
bounce
around
and
learn
with
so
many
people
inc,
including
karen
bolter,
who
might
see,
is
on
this
call
down
in
fort
lauderdale,
I
believe
in
in
in
the
sea
level
rise
sciences.
F
F
That's
what
I
thought
so,
I'm
thinking.
Oh,
I
need
to
talk
to
that
guy,
because
what
I
began
to
realize
is
what
I
personally
have
done
is
just
tried
to
make
it
so
I
could
handle
the
sanity
of
the
insanity
of
how
complex
this
is
and
so
to
move
from
science
to
sustainability.
To
oh,
my
god,
what
is
this
climate
change
thing?
Would
it
get
out
of
the
way
I'm
just
into
sustainability?
F
And
again
I've
been
part
of
the
process
here
in
st
petersburg
moving
into
and
through
the
stars
community.
I
was
part
of
the
eckley
endeavor
with
our
business,
the
connection
partners
and
what
I
keep
finding
is
the
it
the
it
keeps
getting
bigger
and
it
reminded
me
of
synapses
in
our
brains.
I
think
one
of
our
listening
calls.
F
I
talked
about
our
our
bodies
representing
a
whole
city,
a
whole
system
and
and
think
about
the
the
way
the
synapses
reach
out
for
each
other,
making
these
connections,
and
rather
than
thinking,
I
have
to
do
it
all
by
myself.
I've
paid
more
attention
to
the
networks
that
have
been
forming
in
saint
petersburg
pinellas
county
now,
including
your
city.
F
The
clarity
of
that,
of
course,
a
sustainability
committee.
If
that's
what
you
call
yourself,
some
people
are
now
evolving
into
resilience
and
regeneration.
Just
to
warn
you
they're,
bigger,
more
more
words
out
there
is
that
what
is
the
whole
city
doing
to
be
sustainable
for
the
future?
I
mean,
as
I
remember
on
that
first
call:
people
weren't
where
the
grant
is
they
were
where
their
pain
is,
and
they
addressed
the
safety.
They
addressed
the
fear
of
dying
and
they
addressed
the
fact
of.
F
What's
going
on
with
the
greek
cemetery
in
the
black
cemetery,
oh
my
gosh,
will
they
get
out
of
the
way
I'm
only
trying
to
deal
with
sustainability,
but
it's
a
whole
system,
and
what
I've
heard
over
and
over
and
over
is
your
city?
Has
an
incredible
collection
of
diversity,
passion
and
values
for
what
I'm
biased
to
think
of?
What's
right,
so
sorry
about
that,
but
I
don't
think
you
can
hold
it
into
sustainability.
J
J
J
We
need
to
find
a
balance
because
we
do
have
a
responsibility
to
produce
a
sustainability
plan
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
and
they
were
very
specific
when
they
created
our
committee
and
dory
was
very
specific
when
she
spoke
to
them
and
told
them
why
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
needed
a
sustainability
committee.
It
has
become
much
more
general
since
those
two
dates,
but
I'd
just
like
for
for
clarification.
J
The
fourth
talks
about
systems
and
materials
that
are
harmonious
with
land,
water
and
energy.
The
the
fifth
talks
about
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
The
next
talks
about
reducing
impacts
of
a
changing
climate,
including
sea
level,
rise
extreme
rainfall,
extreme
heat
events,
droughts,
flooding,
storms,
human
well-being,
natural
resources,
the
next
one
talks
about-
and
this
is
rather
grandiose.
J
The
board
of
commissioners
wishes
to
reduce
rising
sea
levels.
If
we
can
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
we
will
definitely
advise
them
intense
rainfall
and
other
climatic
stressors
and
the
next
one
wishes
to
lead
by
example.
As
a
green
municipality.
J
J
It
is
a
general
rule
of
thumb.
I
believe
that
when
you
are
doing
community
outreach,
you
need
to
structure
your
questions
in
such
a
way
that
you
get
answers
that
are
useful
to
your
responsibility
and
your
charge,
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
you
know.
I
think
we
had
great
listening
sessions.
I
think
we
got
lots
of
information,
but
I
think
we
got
better
information,
vis-a-vis
our
responsibilities
in
the
second
one.
J
Now,
when
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it
in
the
second
in
the
second
listening
session,
when
kurt
snare
was
talking
about
over
development
and
the
risks
of
sea
level
rise,
he
also
said-
and
I
think
jonathan
quoted
this.
J
There
is
too
much
overlap
in
which
very
in
which
various
or
various
organizations
in
our
community
engage
in.
If
we
could
work
together,
we
could
be
more
efficient,
we're
going
to
find
efficiencies
like
those
as
we
go
along
in
this
process,
and
that
doesn't
mean
we
should
ignore
them,
but
we
do
have
a
charge
and
it
is
fairly
specific.
E
So,
okay,
thank
you.
I
I
am
starting
to
see
like
the
different
views.
I
guess
of
what
different
folks
on
the
committee
perceive
to
be
our
charge.
So
I
think
at
this
point
we
really
should,
because
we
did
at
one
point
decide
that
the
scope
was
going
to
be
more
focused
on
what
the
city
was
going
to
do
instead
of
the
whole
community.
E
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
kind
of
take
a
pause
and
take
a
temperature
check
and
see
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
motion
and
agree
upon
as
a
group
whether
we
are
going
to
keep
this
a
climate
action
plan
or
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
sustainability
action
plan.
That
would
include
more
of
what
we
heard
during
the
listening
sessions
of
what
the
community
is
is
looking
for
so
does.
E
Is
there
someone
that
would
like
to
give
their
idea
of
which
direction
they
would
like
to
go.
A
I
would
like
to
share
just
from
the
perspective
of
looking,
even
at
all
of
the
boxes
on
this
that
are
on
this
form
here
and
imagining
you
know
if
the
sea
level
was
to
rise.
A
You
know
which
needs
to
be
treated
in
an
integrated
way
in
a
and
a
systems
engineered
way.
You
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
concept
of
systems,
engineering
that
is
applied
to
all
aspects
of
an
approach,
and
I
can't
imagine
picking
and
choosing
a
patchwork
of
sustainable
concepts
without
understanding
that
everything
in
nature
is
connected
and
we
have
to
emulate
nature
in
order
to
heal
the
damage.
That
has
already
been
done,
and
that's
all
I
have
so.
I
accept
that.
I
believe
that
sustainability
needs
to
be.
A
A
So
I
think
sustainability
has
to
be
one
system
that
that
is
the
cover
for
the
choices
that
we
make
within
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
J
Dory,
could
you
restate
the
the
motion
I
I
didn't
follow.
All
of
it.
A
E
B
Yeah,
I
feel
like
she's
saying
basically
it's
it
all
touches
upon
everything
else
like
when
you
have.
You
can
have
a
sustainable
environment,
which
our
resolution
is
mainly
talking
about
a
lot
of
it,
energy
efficiency
and
things
like
that.
But
if
you're
also
talking
about
keeping
the
city
sustainable,
that
involves
things
like
homelessness
and
good
job
opportunities
and
affordable
housing,
so
yeah,
I
still
still.
Second,
it.
J
E
Denise,
would
you
be
inclined
to
modify
your
motion
to
just
shorten
it
so
that
we
are
taking
an
integrated
approach
to
sustainability?
Yes,.
D
Isn't
that
what
we're
doing
anyway,
I
mean
just
by
reaching
out
into
the
community
and
trying
to
understand
what
the
concerns
are
and
getting
some
feedback
and
what
what
things
they
think
are
important.
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
work
even
without
emotion,
and
I
feel
like
that's
what
would
really
just
insult
to
me
in
the
information
gathering
stage
and
we're
not
even
ready
to.
I
know
we
wrote
an
introduction,
but
I
I
understood
that
to
be
a
work
in
progress
still
and
that
that
we
we
are
still
in
the
information
gathering
stage.
D
D
Where
I
felt
we
were
regard,
I
appreciate
denise's
motion,
but
I
think
that
defines
what
we're
currently
doing.
E
C
If
I
could
just
step
back
for
a
second,
if
everyone
can
hear
me
all
right,
what's
happened,
I
believe
is
the
listening
sessions
have
given
us
information,
but
they've
also
caused
us
to
ask
some
fundamental
questions.
I
think
perfect,
I
mean
exactly
what
these
sessions
are
supposed
to
do
we're
supposed
to
allow
ourselves
as
a
committee
as
a
group
to
be
affected
by
what
we
hear,
and
so
that's
why
this
discussion
is
coming
back
to
what
is
this
all
about?
C
I
think
dory
as
the
chair
is
trying
to
get
clarification
as
we
move
into
this
community
engagement
and,
ultimately
back
to
our
sustainability
action
plan.
We're
going
to
be
writing,
focus
areas
of
things
that
we
think
need
to
be
addressed
not
by
the
sustainability
committee,
but
more
like
a
checklist
of
our
city
in
these
areas
that
need
to
be
addressed
by
somebody.
C
A
And
the
alternative
is
just
focused
on
on
specifics,
because,
if
you're
just
focusing
on
sea
level
rise
or
bringing
carbon
down
in
the
atmosphere
which
we
have
no,
we
we
have
no
control
over
unless
we're
part
of
a
global
experience.
Right
I
mean
I
don't
think
that
anything
can
be
separated
from
the
global
experience
and
that's
why
to
me,
the
idea
of
an
integrated
sustainability
plan
makes
so
much
sense
because
you
can't
separate
our
air
from
the
air
outside
of
tarpon
springs
or
our
sea
level
rise
from
sea
level.
Rise
outside
of
tarpon
springs.
A
So,
yes,
we
may
have,
but
we
may
look
at
this
third
point
on
the
resolution
and
say
well,
there's
some
very
specific
language
here,
but
it's
symbolic
because
there's
nothing
that
can
be
separated,
I'm
looking
even
at
the
even
at
the
box,
on
historic
preservation
and
without
with
a
with
a
city.
That's
flooded.
Historic
preservation
is
irrelevant,
although
we're
not
taking
over
the
job
of
the
his
historic
preservation.
F
A
So
I
think
that,
if
we're
looking
at
isolating
components
in
order
to
fulfill
the
resolution
in
a
very
systematic
way,
we're
missing
the
greater
point,
because
everything
has
to
be
holistic.
J
D
E
Muted,
sorry,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
in
a
second
though
so
I
don't
know.
Procedurally,
can
we
just
table
that.
E
E
Ma
that
we
are
voting
to.
B
J
E
E
Okay,
I
think
that
the
only
thing
left
with
this
item
is
to
thank
our
partners
for
the
listening
session.
I
know
that
we
will
be
having
further
discussions
about
continuing
engaging
the
community
and
thank
you
very
much
for
helping
us
with
this
process
tonight.
Thank
you.
H
E
The
next
item
is
a
continued
discussion
on
events
and
we
are
getting
short
on
time.
We
still
have
two
presentations,
so
if
we,
I
would
like
to
hold
those
two
items
and
push
them
to
the
next
agenda
forward.
If
you
guys
don't
mind
so
that
we
can
hear
from
our
presenters
tonight,.
K
Please
all
right
good
evening:
everybody.
The
second
presentation,
is
a
follow-up
with
the
arborist.
Unfortunately,
shannon
did
have
a
conflict
tonight,
so
she
won't
be
available
to
follow
up
on
that.
However,
I
can
go
ahead
and
take
the
information
if
you
had
anything
on
that
and
get
those
to
her,
and
you
know
get
that
information
back
to
you.
K
So
with
that
I'm
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen,
I've
got
a
short
slide
presentation
and
I
want
to
kind
of
do
this
more
of
a
interactive
question
and
answer
with
the
group
as
we
go
through
bear
with
me
one
second
here.
E
K
Okay,
so
my
name
is
kevin
powell.
I
am
the
building
development
department
director
and
I
just
want
to
go
over
a
few
things
tonight
and
and
basically
talk
about
the
various
functions
of
my
department.
K
The
last
meeting
you
did
hear
from
one
of
the
members
of
my
department,
which
was
shannon
brewer,
the
municipal
arborist,
and
so
we
oversee
that
area.
We
also,
of
course,
are
the
permitting
department.
We
do
plan
review,
building
inspections
and,
of
course
we
do
flood
plain
management.
K
So
when
we
talk
about
sustainability
in
the
florida
building
code,
there's
really
not
nothing.
In
the
florida
building
code
that
talks
about
green
building,
we
do
have
an
energy
code
that
we
go
by
and
it
addresses
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
when
it
comes
to
sustainability
or
green
buildings.
That
type
of
thing,
so
we
we
have
things
in
there
about.
You-
know
minimums
of
efficiency,
rating
of
air
conditioning
equipment,
rating
of
windows,
installation,
there's
orientation
of
buildings
how
buildings
are
built.
K
K
Of
it
comes
down
to
what
the
cost
of
of
construction
would
be
if
they
were
going
more
towards
a
sustainable
type
of
material
and
but
they're,
not
looking
at
the
the
end
result,
which
is
lower
energy
costs,
lower
energy
usage
and
that
type
of
thing
so
there's
a
federal
program,
the
energy
star
for
for
new
homes.
K
Now
our
building
code,
the
energy
code
is
kind
of
close
to
what
they're
looking
for
in
the
energy
star
program.
K
The
energy
star
program,
of
course,
is
all
the
way
through
the
house,
from
building
materials
to
appliances,
air
conditioning
equipment
and
that
type
of
thing
they
are
more
stringent
than
what
we
would
follow
within
the
building
code
itself.
However,
energy
star
homes,
that's
a
voluntary
program.
K
There
are
some
communities
or
some
builders
that
go
ahead
and
use
this
as
a
selling
item,
but
there
again
the
the
cost
of
of
being
more
sustainable
moving
forward
and
building
you
know
is
a
little
bit
more
more
difficult
when
you're
trying
to
develop
properties
here
in
florida,
so
the
energy
star
program.
K
Once
again,
it
is
a
voluntary
program-
and
this
is
here.
This
is
the
energy
star
program
for
florida
and
it
talks
about
the
partnership,
training
and
credentialing
requirements.
K
The
the
energy
star
partnership
agreement
for
builder
must
complete
the
version
3
builder
orientation,
it's
just
an
online
class
that
they
would
go
through
and
do
that
air
conditioning
kind
of
the
same
thing
they're
out
there
trying
to
put
in
a
higher
efficiency
unit
on
new
construction
in
florida.
It's
a
minimum
of
a
14
seer
rating
on
new
construction
and
under
the
energy
star
program,
it's
a
minimum
of
15..
K
K
Also,
these
programs,
their
third
party,
inspected
to
make
sure
that
they
are
using
the
products
that
they're
saying
that
they're
using
in
order
to
make
it
energy
star
and
to
certify
it
as
an
energy
star
property,
as
I'm
going
through.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
any
of
these
areas,
please
feel
free
to
to
stop
me
and
and
ask
some
questions
because
I'd
rather
this
be
a
little
more
interactive
than
just
a
powerpoint
presentation.
E
Would
you
mind
what
you
said
what
the
building
development
department
does
and
I
didn't
catch
all
of
it.
So
would
you
mind
repeating
that
just
so,
we
have
a
better
understanding
of.
K
Oh,
I'm
sorry
yeah,
so
what
we
do
is
we
have
the
municipal
arborist
within
our
department.
Okay,
we're
also
the
permitting
for
building
construction.
E
E
Okay,
so
let
me
I'm
going
to
read
it
back.
If
you
don't
mind
just
to
make
sure
I
got
it
all
so.
You've
got
the
municipal
arborist,
permitting
site,
plane,
review
local
business
tax
receipt
and
the
floodplain
management.
K
A
And
can
I
ask
a
question:
I'm
really
curious
how
the
energy
star
relates
to
things
like
leadership
and
energy
and
environmental
design,
leed
certification.
Are
they
too
the
same,
but
alternate
alternative
programs
or.
K
Leed
certification
is
going
to
be
a
different,
a
different
program
than
this.
I
really
didn't
put
anything
in
here
about
the
lead
there
there
again,
that
is
an
alternative
with
sustainable
materials
used
kind
of
along
the
lines,
but
to
be
the
energy
star
program
is
a
federal
program
to
get
your
house
and
lead
and
having
a
lead.
Certification
on
your
house
is
a
good
thing
too.
A
Well,
I
know
that
their
green
building
certification-
I
just
wondered
what
they
the
specifics
were
I
mean
how
they
hey,
how
they
relate
to
one
another.
I
guess
that's
something
that
I
would
like
to
do
a
little
bit
more.
A
Relationship
which
one
is
the
which
one
is
more
stringent.
I
know
that
you
can
achieve
different
levels
of
lead,
platinum,
gold,
silver
and
it's
you
know
they
have
their
certification.
Well,
not
the
certification.
They
have
their
evaluation
of
what
the
buildings
are,
that
achieve
the
different
levels.
A
I
guess
I
just
would
like
to
understand
how
it
relates
to
energy
star,
whether
there's
any
overlap,
whether
it's
not
just
materials,
but
it's
actually
inherent
design
of
the
building.
To
be,
let's
say,
passive,
solar
or
very,
you
know
well
insulated
in
a
way
that
you
have
a
minimal
amount
of.
I
mean
new
buildings.
K
Right
yeah
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
some
research
on
that
and
see.
You
know
what
the
the
differences
between
the
two,
which
is
more
stringent.
K
You
know
it
seems
like
most
stuff.
You
know
with
the
energy
star,
of
course,
is
put
on
by
the
federal
government.
So
lead
may
be.
Similar
may
even
be
better,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
that
information
for
you.
G
Thank
you,
oh
kevin.
I
have
a
question
for
you.
If
I
may,
this
is
robin
I'm
wondering
I
know
that
there
are
some
some
projects
that
are
completed
in
the
city
that
are
leed
silver
or
have
lead
lead
certification.
I
believe
the
old
sweet
bay
it's
now
the
when
dixie
is
lead
silver
and
it
was
constructed
under
that.
I'm
just
curious
what
projects,
if
any,
others
in
the
city
have
that
type
of
certification
or
how
does
the
city
encourage
those
types
of?
K
Well,
I
think
we
would
always
encourage
that.
However,
it's
always
up
to
the
developer.
What
they're
going
to
do?
Currently,
I
don't
have
any
buildings
that
are
going
with
the
leed
certification
right
now.
You
know
we
have
the
apartments
going
in
and
that's
definitely
not
going
to
be
a
certified
building
hospital
renovation,
but
yeah,
it's
really
a
voluntary
thing
and
of
course
we
would
always
welcome
it.
However,
it
just
gets
into
what
the
developer
wants
to
do
on
it.
K
This
is
a
non-profit
or
501
c
3
organization
that
will
go
out
and
certify
buildings
for
for
green
city
of
tarpon
springs
is
affiliated
with
this.
I
think
they've
just
changed
their
level,
but
I
believe
we
were
a
platinum
member
of
of
this
and
they
look
at
more
than
just
building.
You
know
they.
They
look
at
like
our
electric
car
parking
chargers
and
and
those
type
of
things
when
they
evaluate
the
city
overall,
so
we
do
get
evaluated
on
that.
I
believe
our
last
one
was
a
platinum
on
on
that.
K
K
So
we
have
a
lot
of
flood
concern
within
the
community
right
now.
The
flood
maps
are
going
through
a
change.
Luckily,
for
tarpon
springs
it's
in
our
favor.
K
So
some
of
the
areas
that
were
in
a
flood
zone
ae10
are
going
to
a
nine
some
areas
that
were
in
a
velocity
zone
or
going
to
a
coastal
a
zone,
so
it
helps
the
residents
of
tarpon
springs
and
and
building
how
they
can
build
and
where
they
can
build.
K
K
So
why
do
we
regulate
the
floodplain?
Well,
one
of
them
is
obvious
to
protect
people
and
property.
K
I
know
the
federal
government
spends
a
lot
of
money
during
floods,
insuring
properties
and
and
helping
those
homes
or
those
people
in
homes
to
to
rebuild
in
their
community.
K
So
if
we
know
we
have
low
lying
lane
and
a
flood
from
time
to
time,
you
know
that
we
need
to
to
help
protect
homes
and
businesses,
and
this
this
is
a
a
a
big
part
of
what
we
do
every
day
and
to
make
sure
that
federal
flood
insurance
is
available
by
participating
in
the
national
flood
insurance
program
that
then
held
with
the
flood
insurance
and
the
ability
of
of
getting
lower
rates
by
our
flood
ordinance.
K
So
we
have
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
the
flood
ordinance
and
some
things
seem
to
be
stringent,
but
the
reason
we
do
that
is
to
help
lower
the
overall
cost
of
flood
insurance
within
the
community.
K
So
we
have
to
be
in
the
the
nfip
in
order
to
be
able
to
get
our
homeowners
of
insurance
and
special
flood
hazard
areas.
Once
we
meet
the
minimum
requirement,
we
would
come
in
as
a
nine.
Nine
means
that
there's
no
reduction
on
your
your
flood
insurance
or
your
insurance
in
a
special
flood
hazard
area,
each
class
that
we
drop
down,
there's
a
five
percent
reduction
in
the
cost
of
insurance.
K
So
with
our
ordinance,
we
can
take
the
baseline
fema
regulation
and
we
can
go
through
an
activities
book
that
tells
us
in
order
for
us
to
lower
in
certain
areas.
K
We
need
to
go
ahead
and
implement
this
within
our
our
ordinance
and
it
might
be
free
board,
meaning
one
foot,
two
foot
three
foot
above
base
flood
elevation.
So
if
we
have
a
base
flood
elevation,
that's
a
an
ae10,
our
ordinance
would
say
we
would
need
to
be
a
at
an
11
or
a
12
in
order
to
get
the
points
for
that
activity
to
help
lower
our
our
insurance
rates
within
the
community.
K
So
we
also
are
are
regulating
to
save
tax
dollars
and
then,
of
course,
we
want
to
avoid
liability
in
lawsuits.
K
K
And
if
we
didn't
do
this,
we
could
pretty
much
look
at
not
selling
a
property
within
tarpon
springs
if
we
were
put
out
of
the
nfip
or
did
not
participate
in
it.
K
Banks
aren't
going
to
loan
money
on
properties
that
can't
be
insured,
because
the
insurance
companies
won't
do
them
because
we're
not
in
the
nfip,
so
we
kind
of
have
to
be
in
it,
but
we
can
be
in
at
the
bare
minimum
or
we
can
go
ahead
and
look
at
it
and
say
hey.
We
can
save
our
residents
additional
money
across
the
board
through
the
entire
city
by
implementing
these
more
restrictive
areas
within
within
the
flood
hazard
areas.
K
So
that
is
something
that
that
we
we
do
through
the
community
rating
system
and
there's
a
couple
things
that
they
they
look
at
here.
You
know
they
want
to
preserve
open
space
in
the
flood
plain
they
want
to
enforce
higher
standards
like
we
were
talking
about.
If
you
know
it
says
that
we
can
be
at
base
flood
and
that's
fine
for
for
the
minimum,
or
we
can
go
ahead
and
enforce
a
higher
standard
for
safer
development
through
flooding
or
you
know,
hurricanes
we're
going
to
do
that.
K
So
by
doing
that,
that
then
lowers
our
our
score
within
the
community
ratings
system,
develop
a
hazard
mitigation
plan,
watershed
storm
water
management
plans.
This
is
something
that
we
do
with
pinellas
county.
This
is
a
a
county-wide
thing.
It's
not
just
within
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
We
have
a
mitigation
plan
through
the
entire
county.
K
We
work
with
the
county,
they're
flood
plain
managers
and
the
mitigation
planning
through
the
entire,
through
the
entire
county,
which
takes
a
lot
of
the
the
cost
off
of
the
city
for
hiring
the
engineers
and
and
doing
the
research
doing
the
lidar
mapping.
K
We
can
do
that
across
the
entire
county,
with
all
of
the
cities
participating
in
it.
It
comes
out
to
be
a
lot
less
within
you
know,
out
of
out
of
the
city
itself,
there's
also
mitigation
grant
money
that,
after
certain
storms,
there's
a
hazard
mitigation
program
and
sometimes
that
grant
money
can
buy
out
homes
that
are
a
repetitive
losses.
So
it's
a
home.
K
That's
flooded,
two
three
four
five
times
and
the
federal
government
says:
okay,
either
we'll
go
ahead
and
and
we'll
do
a
75
25
grant
for
you
to
either
raise
your
structure.
So
we
quit
having
this
flooding
issue
or
we'll
go
ahead
and
buy
out
the
property,
remove
the
property
and
make
green
space
as
they
said
they
want
to
preserve
open
space
in
florida.
They
also
want
to
go
ahead
and
create
additional
green
spaces
in
florida.
K
So
they've
done
that
in
other
places
it
takes
a
while,
unfortunately,
I
think
saint
petersburg
put
in
for
one
to
get
a
house
raised
three
years
ago
and
it
just
got
funded
and
raised
out
of
the
flood,
so
it
it
sounds
great,
but
it's
a
long
process
to
get
there.
We
also
want
to
maintain
drainage
system.
K
We
also
want
to
monitor
flood
conditions
and
issue
warnings.
You
know
we
do
that
through
through
social
media.
Obviously,
when
we
have
sponge
doc
flooding,
we
put
that
out
and
say
we
have
flooding
at
the
sponge
dock,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
mitigate
some
of
that
onlooker
stuff
going
on
down
there,
which
you
know
people
want
to
drive
through
create
wakes
and
do
that.
We
want
to
try
to
minimize
that
as
much
as
possible.
K
We
also
want
to
inform
people
about
flood
hazards,
flood
insurance
and
how
to
reduce
flood
damage,
so
we
have
in
my
office,
I
have
a
floodplain
coordinator,
who
spends
a
lot
of
time
talking
with
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
and
explaining
to
them
about
the
flood
hazards
talking
to
them
about
flood
insurance,
given
the
information
of
our
crs
rating
score
and
to
talk
with
their
insurance
agents
to
to
lower
their
their
their
premiums.
K
Also,
we
talk
about
how
to
reduce
flood
damage,
so
those
are
things
that
we
do
within
the
the
flood
plain
area,
flood
plain
management
of
of
our
department.
K
So
property
owners
in
more
than
234
florida
communities
participate
in
the
crs
program.
This
is
as
of
may
of
2017.,
so
we
can
range
from
a
discount
from
5
to
35.
As
I
said,
we
can
come
into
the
program
at
a
nine
and
be
at
a
zero.
But
as
soon
as
we
go
to
an
eight,
you
know
we
start
getting
that
that
five
percent
reduction
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
We've
made
our
we've
managed
to
get
ourselves
to
a
class
six,
which
is
a
20
discount
on
the
premiums
in
flood
hazard
areas.
K
I
went
ahead
and
took
that
number
and
I
was
able
to
get
the
insurance
premiums
and
I
think
city-wide
we
were
saving
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs,
close
to
a
million
dollars
overall
and
and
insurance.
So
you
know
the
the
the
program
works.
We've
really
stepped
up
in
this
area
to
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain.
K
We
were
a
class
seven.
When
I
got
into
the
department
two
years
ago,
we
were
able
to
take
it
to
a
class
six
and
now
we're
evaluated
every
three
years,
because
we're
considered
a
you
know
a
good
classification
where
four
was
every
five
years.
Now
it's
every
three
years
and
we're
coming
up
on
our
audit
again,
they're
gonna
go
through
all
of
our
elevation
certificates.
K
Fema
will
go
ahead
and
just
come
into
town
and
ride
around
and
take
a
look
at
things
and
they'll
come
in
and
ask
questions
about
things
that
they
see
out
there
and
as
as
as
we
continue
on
with
this
we're
actively
trying
to
get
to
a
class
six,
I
mean
a
class
five
pinellas
county
is
at
a
class
five.
I
know
they're
trying
to
lower
down
into
a
four
which
is
going
to
be
difficult
right
now.
K
K
However,
when
you're
on
a
coast
just
like
we're
a
coastal,
a
coastal
town,
also,
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
get
down
below
that
class
five,
but
still
at
a
class
six,
a
class
five,
a
twenty
to
twenty
five
percent
discount
across
your
community
is,
is
tremendous.
I
think
any
questions
on
floodplain
management.
K
Nothing.
Okay
great,
so
I
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
flood
maps
changing
and,
of
course,
they're
going
to
change
into
our
favor,
which
is
is
good
for
our
community.
Some
people
may
look
at
it
as
a
positive
or
a
negative,
because
it's
going
to
change
the
way
people
can
develop
within
tarpon
springs.
So
if
we
were
in
a
a
v
zone,
a
velocity
zone
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
restrictions
on
how
that
property
is
built,
we're
looking
at
breakaway
walls
because
of
of
high
wave
action.
K
K
K
We're
still
on
a
you
know,
a
waterfront
community,
storm
surge
is
still
going
to
come
in,
but
the
the
engineers
hired
by
fema,
you
know,
did
their
lidar
studies
and
and
did
all
their
transect
lines
throughout
the
entire
city
or
the
county
completely,
and
you
know
we're
able
to
show
that
no,
the
the
old
maps
you
know
can
change
because
of
the
the
current
data
and
the
type
of
data
that
is
used.
Now
there
is
a
community.
K
Oldsmar
went
the
other
way
they
they
went,
you
know
to
where
their
their
their
flood,
their
flood
maps
changed
against
them,
because
they're
right
on
old,
tampa
bay
and
you're
going
to
get
the
storm
surge
coming
in.
So
you
know
that
whole
area
and
oldsmar
now
is
some
of
it's
a
velocity
zone
and,
of
course,
the
the
zones
went
from
say
ae6
to
ae10,
so
they
they
jump
dramatically
where
we
just
dropped
from
from
a
from
a
10
to
a
9.
K
You
know
there
wasn't
a
huge
difference,
but
it
helps
out
a
lot
of
people
when
they're
trying
to
develop
within
the
city.
C
K
E
Thank
you
kevin
for
for
presenting
us
with
this
information.
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
follow-up
questions.
If
you
don't
mind
us
channeling
them
through
paul
smith
and
then
getting
them
to
you
and
then
we
can
follow
up,
maybe
even
just
via
email
with
a
future
meeting.
That
would
be
really
helpful.
Perfect.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
I
appreciate
it.
E
All
right,
I,
our
next
item,
is
the
discussion
of
the
follow-up
from
the
last
meeting,
which
was
the
shannon
the
arborist,
and
I
would
like,
if
you
guys,
don't
mind,
to
combine
that
follow-up.
E
When
we
hear
if
we
have
questions-
and
we
can
do
follow-up
with
with
kevin
powell
to
kind
of
combine
those
so
that
we
can
get
to
the
presentation,
because
we
are
running
short
on
time
for
the
evening-
is
that
okay
with
everyone,
anyone.
E
Okay,
then,
let's
move
along
to
the
fourth
item,
which
is
the
whitcomb
bayou
project,
slash
grant
proposal
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
paul
robinson
to
lead
this
conversation.
J
Thank
you
dory.
If
you
looked
at
the
letter
that
was
sent
from
me
representing
turn
the
tide
for
tarpon
to
merrill
lahusus
on
september
28th,
you
know
some
of
the
basis
behind
this
project
and
concept.
J
B
J
Okay,
can
everybody
hear
me.
J
Yep
yeah,
okay,
good
turn.
The
tide
for
tarpon
is
a
non-profit
corporation.
We
are
focused
on
flooding,
sea
level,
rise,
etc
in
tarpon
springs,
and
we
predominantly
have
been
an
educational
organization.
Up
to
now,
we
are
affiliated
with
the
universalist
unitarian
church.
We
are
members
of
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
we
are
affiliated
with
the
patel
college
of
sustainability
at
university
of
south
florida.
In
fact,
two
members
of
our
executive
committee
have
graduate
degrees
from
the
patel
college.
One
of
those
people
is
aaliyah
garrett.
Who
is
one
of
our
community
champions?
J
We
are
seeking
a
close,
closer
association,
a
partnership
with
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Specifically,
we
propose
partnering
with
city
government
to
obtain
a
federal
grant
to
solve
the
problems
of
both
flooding
and
erosion
along
the
shores
of
whitcomb
bayou.
J
J
J
This
is
salt
water,
and
so
there
is
potential
damage
to
the
vehicles
beyond
that
of
stalling
out
and
getting
stuck.
There
is
salt
damage
potential
to
these
vehicles.
You
can
see
the
sea
wall
along
here
does
not
retain
the
water
and
would
come
by
you.
This
is
a
old
and
and
no
longer
used
boat
launch
it's
lower
by
about
a
foot
than
the
rest
of
the
revetment
along
this
area.
But
the
sea
wall
you
can
see
here
is
is
not
effective.
J
J
J
We
are
proposing
looking
at
living
shorelines
as
the
first
approach
to
widening
and
reinforcing
the
the
shores
of
of
whitcomb
bayou,
but
of
course
we
we
have
to
also
deal
with
flooding,
so
we
have
to
effectively
raise
the
level
of
the
shorelines
as
well.
This
is
just
one
type
of
living
shoreline.
J
Or
coins
etc,
which
we
could
go
into
at
a
later
time.
Some
of
you
are
aware
that
the
board
of
commissioners
just
recently
passed
unanimously
the
approval
of
two
surveys,
with
geotechnical
support
to
study
the
conditions
along
south
spring
boulevard
and
the
confluence
of
martin
luther
king,
pineapple
and
south
spring.
The
idea
is
to
gain
data
on
flooding,
gain
data
on
the
heights
of
the
roadway
and
also
to
look
at
underground
infrastructure
purposes
to
have
data
so
that
we
will
have
more
knowledge
as
a
city
going
forward
before
any
constructs
are
are
designed.
J
J
She
has
worked
as
a
professor
and
a
planner
for
local
government
she's
active
with
the
florida
hurricane
response
hub,
and
she
has
also
presented
her
research
in
tv
station
interviews
and
has
a
ted
talk
on
youtube,
which
I've
watched
now
two
or
three
times,
and
I
strongly
recommend
so
I
could
go
on
and
on,
but
I'd
rather
introduce
dr
bolter.
I
instead
of
saying
the
floor
is
yours.
I'm
going
to
say
the
zoom
is
yours.
L
Thank
you,
paul
wonderful
introduction,
and
these
pictures
are
amazing.
I
can
share
my
screen
now,
if
you,
if
you,
you,
have
to
stop
sharing.
L
So
it's
great
to
see
you
all
and-
and
I
was
excited
that
I
I
recognized
some
people
on
this-
call
with
you-
guys
the
sharon
joy
great,
to
see
to
connect
with
you
again
and,
and
I've
worked
with
thomas
rubert
a
lot
over
the
years.
It's
a
small,
it's
a
small
family
or
our
sea
level
rise
climate
group.
I've
come
out
to
st
pete
for
a
lot
of
those
icar
events
to
speak,
but
I'm
here
today
I'm
gonna
try
and
make
it
quick.
L
But
I
love
that
we're
following
kevin
because
all
the
stuff
that
he
was
talking
about
with
the
the
national
flood
insurance
program,
the
crs
and
I
give
those
presentations
too,
a
lot
of
our
clients.
L
We
help
them
get
a
better
crs
score
and
the
federal
funding
that
I've
been
talking
to
paul
about,
and
he
asked
me
to
share
with
you
guys
about
specifically,
you
know
talking
about
whitcomb
bio
and
what
we
could
do
to
fund
that
with
fema
funding.
The
reason
that
fema
is
is
making
this
money
available
is
because
they're
your
insurance
company,
and
they
know
that
they're,
you
know
they.
They
put
this
money,
not
just
disaster
related
funding,
but
non-disaster
related
funding.
L
They
know
that
there's
a
business
case
and
a
value
proposition
they're
awarding
this
funding
because
they
wanna
they
know
that
spending
the
money
now
being
preventative
is
gonna,
save
them
in
future
risk
and
by
the
way
like
just
like
kevin
mentioned.
I
know
we're
I
I
can
keep
this
very
informal
with
you
guys.
I
have
a
few
discussion
topics,
but
honestly,
I
just
have
some
reference.
L
Slides
of
you
know
things
that
I've
done
and
and
things
that
paul
and
I
have
talked
about-
and
I
want
to
keep
it
really
informal,
just
telling
you
about
this
brand
new
fema
program
called
brick
and
just
a
little
bit
of
our
team
at
arcadis
and
then
a
few
extra
maps
of
the
wacom
bio
of
some
some
initial
flood
assessment.
L
I've
been
working
with
and
if
we
get
to
it,
I
do
have
some
more
slides
on
the
new
scoring
criteria
for
this
fema
brick
grant
program
and
how
you
know
the
whitcomb
bayou
project
could
really
make
be
a
competitive.
One.
Kevin
mentioned
that
st
pete
grant
my
team
in
tallahassee
in
the
bottom
left.
You
can
see
ed
fernandez
and
kelly.
They
were
the
ones
that
lead
a
lot
of
the
grant
development
in
st
pete
and
around
your
area.
L
I've
led
the
development
out
of
the
out
of
not
10
out
of
10
fema
applications
that
I've
led.
Nine
of
them
have
been
awarded
and
if
you
add
up
that
award
money,
it's
over
55
million
dollars.
So
I
have
I,
I
have
a
great
track
record.
My
team
has
a
great
track
record.
We
we're
a
small
team
within
a
large
corporation
that
you
know
we
started
out
of
sandy
and
we
were
able
to
get
our
clients
all
of
our
team,
all
together
over
the
last
seven
years,
over
five
billion
dollars
in
funding.
L
So
you
know
this
speaks
for
itself,
especially
coming
from
academia
where
you
know.
I
don't
know.
If
you're
aware
of
those
nsf
grants
they're
very
competitive,
but
that's
why
I
love
doing
this-
these
fema
funding,
not
just
the
application
development
helping.
You
choose
a
project
making
the
application
eligible
and
competitive,
but
also
you
know,
adding
other
funding
sources
and
helping
throughout
the
grant
management
project
project
process
like
once,
it's
awarded
making
sure
you
get
reimbursed.
L
So
we
are
very
impressive
team
and
I
love
it
especially
because
whatever
like
our
fees
are
very
minimal
and
then
once
the
grant
is
awarded
that's
reimbursed.
So
it's
like
a
pretty
easy
sell
for
me
that
it's
it's
not
a
lot
and-
and
we
have
so
much
experience
with
with
making
using
just
the
right
wording
and
and
giving
fema
exactly
what
they
want
so
that
they'll
award
your
your
application-
and
so
I
mentioned
this-
like
you
know,
business
case
return
on
investment,
and
it's
so
compelling,
because
fema
did
a
study
on
hazard
mitigation.
L
This
pre-disaster
mitigation
they
found
on
average
every
one
dollar
that
you
spend
before
a
disaster
is
saving
you
six
dollars
that
you
would
have
spent
afterwards.
So
it's
it's
being
preventative
rather
than
reactive
and
right
now,
what
we're
seeing
with
resilience
when
people
are
not
focusing
on
resilience,
we're
just
you
know
the
disaster
hits
and
we're
just
you
know
trying
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
get
back
to
normal.
L
So
we
just
rebuild
things
the
way
they
were,
and
so
we
get
into
this
disaster
rebuild
cycle
that
we
can
shift
out
of
with
these
different
preventative
measures,
and
so
yeah
fema
sees
this.
They
know
that
that's
why
they
offer
this
money
so
that
they're,
not
you,
know,
coming
and
paying
for
things
afterwards
that
they
they
see
that
okay,
they
want
to
with
these
fema
applications.
L
They
want
to
know
we're
going
to
give
you
this
money
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
prevent
all
this
damage
so
that
when
the
next
storm
comes
we're
not
paying
for
the
damage
so
they're
doing
it,
you
know
for
their
own
interest
and
flood
risk
is
really
my
of
all
of
the
hazards.
You
know
these
fema
grants
are
for
all
kinds
of
hazards,
whether
it's
fire
power,
outages,
wind
flooding,
is
the
most
deadly.
It's
over
75
of
the
federally
declared
disasters.
L
It
accounts
for
most
loss
of
life.
Of
course
it
doesn't
obey,
flooding,
doesn't
obey
jurisdictional
boundaries,
and
you
know
it's
great
that
you
guys
are
updating
the
fema
flood
maps.
But
it's
it's
interesting.
Why
they're
getting
it's
a
better
outlook
because
they
really
are
not
covering?
You
know
a
big
part
of
the
risk
all
over
south
florida,
I'm
on
the
east
coast.
We
have
a
very
but
so
I've
I've
modeled
out
around
your
area
in
pinellas
county,
the
groundwater
levels
during
the
wet
season.
L
There's
just
a
few
there's
some
areas
along
the
coast.
There's
a
few
feet.
You
dig
below
the
ground
and
that's
your
water
table.
It's
tidally
influenced
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
risks
from
water
and
so
here's
a
cool
infographic.
They
have
for
florida
dem
on
just
for
michael
what
kind
of
funding
was
available.
So
this
isn't
just
fema,
I'm
gonna
step
back
a
little
bit
I'll
go
back
into
fema
in
the
brick,
but
just
to
show
you
like.
So
there's,
disaster
funding
and
there's
non-disaster
related
funding.
L
So
just
for
michael
there
was
two
billion
dollars
available.
There
was
cdbg
brick
funding,
there
was
fema
funding
and
it
wasn't
just
available
for
the
area
in
dark
blue
that
you
see
here
in
the
map
in
the
top
right.
L
That
was
the
area
impacted,
but
when,
when
the
disaster
funding
comes
out,
there's
like
tiers,
so
you
have
tier
one
and
those
areas
impacted
can
apply
first,
but
then
every
county
in
florida
is
available.
It
can
submit
applications
and
there's
so
much
money
available,
because
what
they
do
is
they
take
six
percent
of
the
disaster
declarations
and
they
put
that
into
pre-disaster
funding.
So
I
know
jurisdictions
all
over
florida
that
were
applying
for
michael
and
we
helped
a
lot
of
them
for
michael
funding.
L
So
this
is
a
cool
graphic,
but
just-
and
this
is
just
another-
this
is
my
craziest
slide
with
a
lot
of
text.
So
I'm
sorry
but
I'll,
send
you
guys
this
deck
just
so
you
can
refer
to
it.
I
just
want
to
point
out
like
on
the
right.
You
can
see
a
disaster
declaration
versus
not
what
the
various
fema
programs
are.
So
I'm
going
to
from
here
on
I'm
going
to
focus
on
number
one.
The
bric
program
building
resilient
infrastructure
communities,
it's
a
brand
new
program.
L
Previously
it
was
called
the
pre-disaster
mitigation
program
pdm
and
a
few
years
ago.
The
funding
available
from
this
program
was
90
million
and
then
went
up
to
the
200
million.
It
was
230
and
then
this
year
it's
500
million
and
that
money,
like
I
said,
is
six
percent
of
the
disaster
declarations.
So
that's
for
this
year.
L
Well
guess
what
next
year
in
2021
they're
gonna
set
that
amount
that
pot
of
money
available
it's
going
to
be
six
percent
of
the
disasters
from
2020.,
that's
going
to
include
covid,
that's
going
to
include
all
the
fires
out
west,
all
of
the
hurricanes
we've
gotten
and
we'll
get
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
surprised
next
year,
if
there's
a
billion
dollar
pot.
This
is
a
lot
of
money
and
these
applications
are
so
crazy.
They're
such
a
you
have
to
be
an
expert
to
put
them
together,
I'm
serious,
so
I
think
that's.
L
Why
there's
it's
just
like
it's
really
hard
for
local
governments
to
just
like,
especially
if
you
don't
have
you
know
a
grant
writer
or
expertise
to
put
it
all
together.
So
we
just
you
know
we
can
help
with
any
part
of
it
and
a
lot
of
local
governments
that
I'm
friends
with
I
don't
even
you
know
I
just
they
ask
me
questions
or
tips,
and
I
don't
even
you
know
we
don't
have
a
contract.
L
I
just
give
them
ideas
or
templates,
or
you
know
so,
there's
a
whole
range
of
of
what
we
can
help
with,
but
this
brick,
I'm
I'm
leading
the
development
of
eight
applications
right
now,
and
some
of
them
are
actually
for
50
million
dollars
because
they
also
raised
the
cap.
So
where
is
it
here?
So
if
you
see
here
the
500
million
dollars
each
project
that
you
apply
for
and
so
one
city
can
apply
for
five
projects,
each
of
those
projects
have
they
will
fund.
L
So
for
the
first
for
the
first
round
of
brick
for
this
year
the
applications
are
due
to
fema
by
january
29th
of
next
year,
but
the
state
of
florida
is
is
going
to
want
them
earlier.
They
haven't
really
told
us
yet,
but
it's
going
to
likely
be
november
december,
and
I
skipped
a
slide
here.
Just
you
know
giving
you
an
idea
of
both
of
these
websites
at
the
bottom
right.
You
can
go
there
and
you
can
actually
look
at
every
year
what
applications
are
awarded
to
florida
between
the
fma.
L
That's
the
one
that
kevin
was
talking
about.
That's
getting
homes
out
of
the
floodplain
and
then
the
pdm,
which
is
now
brick,
but
florida
just
last
year
got
over
five
million
dollars
between
the
two
of
them.
L
And
if
you
look
at
who's
been
awarded
this
funding,
you
just
see
the
same
counties
over
and
over
again
there
are
same
areas:
pasco
county,
volusia
county,
so
there's
just
certain
jurisdictions
that
are
taking
advantage
of
the
funding
and
others
that
are
not
so
there's
there's
not
that
many
awards
and
a
lot
of
them
are
just
going
to
the
same
jurisdictions
any
any
questions.
So
far
about
brick.
Before
I
get
more
into
like
here,
you
can
see
their
strategic
plan
guiding
principles.
L
L
They
want
to
focus
on
larger
infrastructure
projects
that
have
a
bigger
impact
across
community
lifelines,
and
so
all
of
this
language
we
put
these
in
the
applications,
because
we
know
that's
what
they
like
to
hear,
and
it
is
very
important
like
what
you
guys
were
talking
about
earlier,
making
sure
that
things
are
holistic.
L
You
know
like,
as
paul
mentioned,
a
lot
of
the
projects
I
do
that
are
not
fema
are
related
to
health
or
equity
or
affordable
housing.
So
I
do
that's
really.
My
passion
is
the
social
justice
and
environmental
justice
part
of
what
we're
doing
and
that's
why
I
think
funding
is
so
important
because,
I'm
you
know
the
first
part
of
my
career
working
in
climate.
L
L
Paul
told
me
about
your
your
action
plan
and
I've
we've
been
talking
about
it
and
I've
been
giving
him
tips
like
how
to
make
it
actionable
and
make
sure
that
it's
actually
implemented
with
you
know
having
specific
measurable
results,
but
the
thing
is
like
what
is
the
barrier
to
implementation?
In
most
cases
is
the
funding
so
being
able
to
say,
like
you
know,
55
million
dollars
going
towards
infrastructure
resilience?
L
I
can
be
really
proud
of
that
that
actually,
like
there's
shovels
in
the
ground-
and
there
are
things
happening
rather
than
a
plan
plans-
are
really
important,
of
course.
Obviously,
but
one
of
the
reason,
one
of
the
reasons
I
love
this
so
much-
is
that
it's
actually
you
know
you
can
see
people
and
infrastructure
and
communities
being
protected
so
to
be
eligible
for
this
brick
funding.
It
has
to
be
cost
effective.
So
the
the
most
work
by
far
in
a
fema
application
is
the
benefit
cost
analysis.
L
L
That
would
be
the
benefits
and
those
would
be
the
avoided
damages
to
the
buildings,
those
homes
along
the
road
and
their
contents
and
also,
of
course,
the
use
of
the
road
when
it's
inundated
so
reducing
the
damages
of
any
type
of
hazard.
Meeting
the
different
building
codes.
Kevin
touched
on
that
there's
some
other
requirements
like
you
know,
just
things
you
have
to
document.
If
it's
a
historic
home
or
archaeological
issues,
it's
not
a
deal
breaker.
You
just
have
to
document
everything,
and
then
kevin
mentioned
your
hazard
mitigation
plan
with
pinellas
county.
L
So
you
check
that
box
too,
so
you
guys
have
definitely
been
pre-screened
as
eligible
for
the
wik
home
buy
you.
I
give
you
my
my
check,
and
just
this
is
a
cool
infographic
on
the
on
the
arcadis
approach
to
benefit
cost
analysis.
L
We
don't
just
do
fema
grants
actually,
when
paul
was
showing
those
pictures
of
the
living
shoreline.
It
reminded
me
of
this
60
million
dollar
project
that
we're
doing
in
the
city
of
norfolk
virginia,
which
is
a
lot
of
amazing
living
shorelines
like
that
was
a
hud
project.
So
whether
it's
army
corps
hud
fema,
they
have
specific
methodologies
and
specific
standards,
and
we
know
them
all
by
the
book.
L
We
know
all
the
different
ways
you
can
mix
and
match
them
so
that
you
get
the
best
benefit,
cost
ratio
and
and
the
most
compelling
business
case
for
your
grant
application,
not
just
for
saving
money,
but
also
you
can
see
on
this
infographic
on
the
right.
Some
of
the
projects
we've
done
have
to
do
with
water
quality
and
and
reducing
stormwater
runoff
or
healthcare
costs
or
affordable
housing.
E
Sorry,
we
are
going
way
over
I'm
done.
This
was
my
last
slide,
okay,
but
we
need
to
have
a
motion,
though,
to
extend
the
meeting
beyond
8
pm,
because
we're
there's
no
way
we're
going
to
get
through
all
the
rest
of
it
in
10
minutes.
So
can
I
please
get
a
motion
to
extend
the
meeting
past
8
pm.
B
L
Okay,
the
so
we
can
thought
you
know
we
can
open
it
up
to
discussion.
I
really
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
about
the
grants
and
all
of
our
exciting
things
that
we've
done.
I
put
together
this
elevation
map
just
showing
how
low
everything
is
around
wikombayu.
I
mean
you
know
this
orange
is
one
to
two
feet
above
navdy
88,
which
is
basically
mean
sea
level,
and
you
know
your
nearest
tide
gauge
that
the
noaa
models
for
on
the
sea
level
rise.
L
Viewer
is
clear,
water,
and
you
can
see
that
you
know
the
flood
days
per
year
of
above
where,
where
water
exceeds
that
1.74,
which
is
a
threshold
set
by
the
national
weather
service,
so
you
already
are
getting
five
days
per
year,
where
the
water,
just
naturally
because
of
king
tides
and
things
like
that,
is
higher
than
that
1.74,
so
you're
already
getting.
That
explains.
You
know
the
pictures
that
that
paul
was
showing
so,
oh,
I
do
have
one
more
so
this
is
this
is
the
you
know.
I
have.
L
I
have
other
slides
about
the
scoring
criteria.
We,
those
are
reference.
If
you
want
to
look
at
those
later
and
just
other
projects,
I've
done
that
are
similar.
I
I
had
some
case
studies,
but
I
can
stop
here
and
open
it
up
for
questions
and
discussions.
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
I
did
look
at
the
flood
insurance
rate
maps
to
see
that
if
the
base
flood
elevation
around
whitcomb
bayou
is
11
feet
that
living
shoreline
or
whatever
coastal
protection.
L
You
would
want
at
minimum
for
this,
for
these
fema
grants
they
have
to
at
least
protect
to
the
base
flood
elevation.
So
it
is
going
to
be
an
issue.
You
know
visibility.
I
mean
it's
something
to
think
about
that
natural
shoreline.
Sometimes
people
end
up
going
with
hardening
it's
unfortunate
and
there's
ways
around
it.
I
mean
in
norfolk.
We
we
got
that
high
and
it
was
a
berm
that
we
vegetated.
So
there
are
ways
for
natural
shoreline
to
protection
to
get
this
high.
L
J
Questions
karen,
that
was
excellent.
Thank
you
so
much.
It's
obvious
that
there's
a
lot
more
information
that
you
have
to
share,
but
what
does
the
25
matching
entail?
What
what
forms
of
matching
can
there
be?
Is
it
it's
strictly
cash
or
can
certain
expert.
J
Offerings
of
you
know
whatever
or
or
or
hard
labor
contribute
to
part
of
that
copay.
L
Yeah,
it's
very
flexible
with
the
match,
and
even
if
you
find
like,
if
you
apply
for
a
dep
grant
that
counts
towards
match
any
other
type
of
funding,
they
want
you
to
have
partnerships
and
have
funding
so
whether
you
can
split
it
up,
it
could
be
city
funds.
It
could
definitely
be
your
efforts
your
time,
so
you
could.
L
We
could
have
you
know
you
just
keep
track
of
the
time
of
the
city
staff
or
experts,
or
anything
that
you
can
just
show
documentation
of
match
will
work
even
so,
like
I
said,
the
what
whatever
is
paid
if
we
have
some
kind
of
task
order
to
help
you
with
the
application
that
goes
towards
a
match
or
as
soon
as
the
grant
gets
awarded
you
can
get
reimbursed.
75
of
that
so
and
then
also
any
like,
it's
called
pre-award
costs.
L
So
if
you
spend
money
like
that,
that
study,
you
said
for
sixty
four
thousand
dollars
that
could
be
go
towards
the
match
too,
so
anything
that
you're
spending
to
try
and
understand
design
or
survey
or
engineering
as
you
develop
the
application
and
a
lot
of
cities
that
we
work
with
they're
they're
planning
to
do
this
project
anyway,
like
most
of
them,
we
look
in
their
cip.
We
look
at
all
their
projects
that
they
we
help
them
prioritize.
L
I
have
slides
for
that
later
on,
like
you
know,
what
are
the
best
ways
to
prioritize,
but
a
lot
of
the
times.
They
know
exactly
what
they
want
to
do
and
they
have
the
money
to
pay
for
it.
But
why
not
use
that
money
for
something
else?
This
is
perfect
for
a
fema
grant,
so
we
we
go
for
it.
So
even
if
you're,
you
know
a
lot
of
them.
They've
already
done
all
these
studies,
because
they're
planning
to
do
it
anyways,
but
save
that
money
for
something
else.
J
That's
nice,
the
flexibility
that
that
that
really
makes
it
a
win-win.
Thank
you.
L
L
What
the
budget
is
and
what
the
schedule
is.
It
has
to
be
less
than
three
years
on
the
schedule,
but
then
you
can
get
two
years
of
extension,
so
you
have
five
years
really
to
do
the
project
and
it's
so
flexible
that
anything
that
you
want
to
change
even
after
the
project
is
awarded
we're
like.
Oh,
we
want
to
change
the
scope.
You
know
I
have
a
flood
wall
that
we're
doing
for
a
water
treatment
plant
and
they
just
had
flooding
in
august
that
was
higher
than
the
500
year
flood.
L
E
I
I'm
wondering
what
action
being
asked
of
this
committee
this
evening
with
this
presentation
it's
very
technical,
so
I
would
certainly
need
to
personally
go
through
a
lot
of
this
on
my
own
to
understand
it
more.
But
what
is
it
that
you're
like
it
was
put
on
the
agenda?
As
this
grant
proposal
helped
me
connect
the
dots
of
what
what
is
being
asked
of.
J
Us
I
think
that
paul
smith
could
probably
answer
that
better
than
anybody,
perhaps
city
manager,
mark
lacurus,
who
asked
that
to
be
placed
on
the
agenda,
could
answer
that.
But
I
think
that
I
suspect
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
suspect
that
that
the
city
manager
is
interested
in
what
the
sustainability
committee
thinks
about
the
feasibility
of
this
proposal.
C
J
C
J
G
Excuse
me,
I
I'm
kind
of
with
dory
on
this,
I'm
getting
a
piece
of
the
information.
This
is
new
material
and
it's
pretty
pretty
in-depth
material.
I'm
you
know,
I
think
that
the
committee,
as
as
a
group
we
this,
is
something
that
we're
interested
in
learning
more
about
or
we
might
be
open
to
or
whatever,
but
what
I
think
would
be
helpful
is
to
have
an
overview
of
how
all
these
pieces
fit
together
so
paul
smith
in
the
city
manager
or
who
who's
proposing
this.
How
would
this
committee
interface
with
that?
J
It
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
A
lot
has
been
thrown
at
you
and
we
were
added
to
the
agenda
only
a
couple
weeks
ago,
so
yeah
we
can
put
together
a
pretty
good
outline.
What
what
we
are
proposing
and
how
the
sustainability
committee
and
the
opinions
of
the
members
of
this
committee
are
important
paul.
What
do
you
think.
C
If
I
may
add
you
know,
thank
you
very
much.
I
learned
a
lot
just
watching
this
presentation.
Karen.
Thank
you.
I
developed
some
questions
in
my
mind
before
and
during
this,
and
one
of
the
things
I
say
is:
we've
got
46
miles
of
shoreline
in
the
city,
and
I
saw
one
of
the
figures
that
karen
showed.
C
Actually
it
looked
like
is
the
cramer
bayou,
the
one
with
riverside
drive
on
it
actually
showed
to
be
even
lower
in
that
one
particular
chart,
and
I
would
just
say
you
know,
I'm
not
so
sure
this
will
come
project
is
indeed
you
know
the
city's
highest
priority
and
we'd
want
to
be
comfortable
with
that.
Before
committing
resources.
C
C
I
think
we're
talking
about
sounds
like
adding
about
eight
feet
of
elevation.
You
might
not
even
be
able
to
see
the
water
from
some
of
those
homes.
If
I'm
understanding
the
concept
right,
so
we
had
a
major
out
well
just
feedback
from
the
community
on
putting
a
sidewalk
in
so
you
could
imagine.
C
A
project
of
this
scale
is
going
to
take
a
real
amount
of
effort
to
get
it
done,
not
saying
it
can't
be
done,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
questions
to
be
answered
before
you
know
the
city
could
say:
let's,
let's
jump
on
board
with
this.
C
J
One
of
the
reasons
turn
the
tide
proposed.
This
was
because
of
the
focus
that
the
city
has
shown.
The
board
of
commissioners
has
shown
recently
regarding
south
spring
boulevard,
which
is,
of
course,
the
eastern
shore
of
whitcomb
bayou.
J
We
have
talked
about,
or
they
have
talked
about,
the
creation
of
a
mini
roundabout
at
the
junction
of
pineapple
martin
luther
king
and
south
spring,
and
that
in
that
is
still
on
the
books
and
paul.
You
probably
know
more
about
that
than
I
do,
but
they
have
also
talked
about
a
walkway,
a
pedestrian
walkway
or
a
pedestrian
and
bicycle
walkway
from
craig
park
along
south
spring.
J
The
shores
of
whit
can
buy.
You
are
in,
as
I
tried
to
demonstrate,
pretty
rough
shape.
The
flooding
that
occurs
is
already
damaging
the
athena
apartments
there
at
the
corner
and
multiple
other
residences
and
apartments.
Along
that
stretch,
the
erosion
there
is
worse
than
any
place
on
kramer
and
the
the
city,
I
believe,
owns
a
park
along
the
south
shore
of
whitcomb,
which
is
basically
being
washed
away.
J
Add
to
that
the
you
know
unanimous
recent
vote
to
do
two
surveys
etc
along
whitcomb
bayou
along
south
spring
and
there's
a
lot
of
interest
focused
on
whitcomb.
J
J
J
E
Talking
with
my
microphone,
you
did,
I
guess
in
terms
of
next
steps
or
where
we
go
from
here,
looking
for
action
that
we
I
mean,
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
action
we
take
tonight
on
this
item.
I
think
that
we
need
to
get
some
clarity
from
city
staff
and
from
the
commission
too,
I
mean
I
would
think
to
to
see
if
there
is
interest.
I
don't
know
that
like
we
would
be
the
ones
that
would
authorize
any
kind
of
partnership
or
anything
like
that.
E
E
Other
than
recommend
that
this
that,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
you
I
mean,
I
know
that
it's
an
inconvenience
for
you,
it's
your
time
karen
and
I
appreciate
it
but
continuing
to
dialogue
with
city
staff
and
with
the
commission
and
see
how
we
might
what
our,
what
our
role
might
be
in
this.
L
Yeah,
I
think
that
that's
that's
great.
I
mean
I
wasn't
expecting
you
guys
to
be
like
okay
write
the
grant
for
us.
You
know
this
is
the
type
of
thing
that
it's
a
long
process.
I
mean
I.
I
wouldn't
think
that
we
would
want
to
get
something
in
for
this
year.
I
think
that
it's
something
to
start
talking
about
and
find
a
project
to
work
on
for
next
year.
The
plan
that
you
guys
are
doing
is
amazing
and
I
think
the
the
process
of
like
planning
and
then
action.
L
We
just
don't
have
time
like,
especially
what
kevin
was
saying
that
these
these
grants
take
so
long
that
let's
get
the
ball
rolling,
let's
get
some
money
in
your
pot.
To
you
know
to
support
the
city,
I
mean
a
50
million
dollar
project
that
could
make
a
huge
difference.
Where
could
the
city
get
the
money
for
that?
So
I
think
that
it's
just
talking
about
it
and
shooting
around
ideas,
maybe
reaching
out
to
the
local
mitigation
committee.
L
L
L
I
don't
wish
that,
but
you
know
like
this
is
this
is
shovels
in
the
ground
like
it
feels
for
me
and
like
this
is
what
I
care
about,
and
I
want
to
make
a
difference,
and
so
especially
the
projects
we
do
with
water
wastewater
infrastructure,
like
some
of
this
decaying
pump
stations
that
that
miami
project
that
we
did,
I
mean,
I
think
about
all
those
people
that
are
not
going
to
have
sewage
backups
because
of
the
project.
That's
going
forward
right
now
and
it
you
know.
So
that's
why
I
do
it.
E
Thank
you
so
much.
I
feel
your
passion
and
I
very
much
appreciate
it
because
I
mean
I
feel
bad
though
that,
like
I
know
that
you're
a
consultant-
and
this
is
taking
time
from
your
day
to
to
be
with
us
and
to
help
educate
us,
because
there
there's
so
much
here
to
learn,
and
I
think
that
our
city
commission
would
benefit
from
understanding
this
as
well
that
this
process
and
how
lengthy
it
is,
but
how
much
money
there
is
at
the
end
of
the
process.
E
If
we
can
do
it
correctly
and
if,
as
a
community,
we
can
coalesce
around
an
idea
that
people
can
be
happy
with,
because
I
mean
I
I
know
we
all
know
that
riprap
project
on
the
southern
shore
of
south
spring
is
like
very
contentious,
and
I
certainly
would
not
want
us
getting.
E
You
know
into
something
like
that,
but
I
think
that
there's
definitely
projects
that
the
community
could
rally
around
and
could
really
help
us
be
more
resilient
and
address
our
flooding
issues.
So
I
guess
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
Then
then,
we'll
continue
the
conversation
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
really
appreciate
you
giving
us
all
of
this,
and
I
would
love
to
see
the
the
deck
with
you
know.
So
I
can
kind
of
go
down
rabbit
holes
and
learn
more
on
my
own
awesome.
E
Okay,
are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
item
from
the
from
the
committee.
E
E
Hearing
no
other
thoughts
on
that.
Then,
let's
move
along
to
item
number
five,
which
is
future
presenters.
There
was
a
backup
that
or
a
document
in
the
backup
that
is
the
org
chart
for
the
city
and
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
screen
share
I'm
just
going
to
hold
up
what
I've
done.
So
I
kind
of
like
taped
it
together.
M
Hey
dory,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt.
There
was
a
public
comment
that
was
emailed
that
paul
actually
has
to
read
about
regarding
the
whitcomb.
Thank
you.
I'm.
C
Okay,
hold
just
a
second
and
I'll,
find
it.
C
So
this
is
an
email
that
came
in
today.
Everybody
still
hear
me:
okay
yeah.
This
came
from
laura
salisbury
emailed
to
the
sustainability
website
and
the
subject
is
agenda
item
for
whatcom
by
you
project
greetings.
I
will
not
be
available
to
make
comment
at
this
evening's
virtual
meeting,
but
I
would
like
to
express,
as
a
long-time
tarpon
springs
resident
living
near
the
bayou.
How
pleased
I
am
the
sustainability
committee
is
presenting
this
concept.
C
Its
goals
are
critical
for
tarpon
springs,
protection
and
restoration
of
our
valuable
natural
resources
and
maintaining
property
values
and
a
way
of
life
that
nurtures
and
sustains
our
town,
I'm
thrilled
to
see
the
kind
of
state
of
the
art
problem,
solving
and
collaboration
that
this
proposal
represents.
I
believe
this
is
crucial
for
our
mature
and
healthy
growth
as
a
gem-like
waterfront
city.
It
may
not
be
a
simple
solution.
It
may
require
stretching
and
reaching
investing
assets
in
an
effort
in
a
new
way.
E
E
What
I
did
was
I
just
printed
it,
and
then
I
added
the
name
and
the
date
of
city
staff
when
we
heard
from
the
different
departments-
and
the
idea
that
I
was
trying
to
to
do-
is
kind
of
holistically
look
at
all
of
the
different
departments
within
the
city
to
see
where
we
still
might
want
to
hear
presentations
that
would
help
guide
the
action
plan.
E
So
it
looks
to
me
that
heard
from
almost
everyone
on
the
chart,
I
think
that
would
feed
into,
except
perhaps
maybe
economic,
development
and
cultural
services,
and
if
we
drill
down
into
public,
works
more
on,
maybe
the
the
fleet,
maybe
storm
water.
I
don't
I.
I
would
like
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
group
about
that.
I
just
thought
that
it
might
help
us
all
to
kind
of
visualize
where
in
the
process
we
are
so
I'll
pause
there
and
leave
it
open
for.
B
Up,
it's
definitely
helpful
to
have
just
this
map
of
the
city.
Basically
so
yeah,
I
think
stormwater
would
be
a
good
one
to
hear
from.
I
think
paul
might
have
already
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
it
in
some
presentations,
but
knowing
more
about
it
would
be
good.
I
guess
I
can
take
another
look
at
it
later
and
just
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
everything.
E
So
are
we
for
our
next
agenda.
E
Is
anybody
opposed
to
any
of
those
departments
or
does
anyone
have
a
particular
order
that
they
would
like
paul
to
to
try
to
get.
D
I
I
would,
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
economic
development
coordinator
as
well
as
do
we
have,
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
kind
of
throwing
out
there
emergency
responses,
whether
it's
the
police
department
or
fire
department.
I
mean
there
are
some
issues
from
them
where
you
know
there
was
talk
a
while
ago
about
beckett
bridge
being
closed
and
how
to
emer.
How
does
emergency
personnel
then
function
as
far
as
getting
to
that
that
area
over
there
and
beckett
bridge
being
a
completely
different
disaster
right
right?
D
That
was
happening
at
the
time,
as
opposed
to
like
the
sustainability,
but
you
know
just
fire
and
rescue
and
police
and
what
their
concerns
are
as
far
as
streets,
flooding
and
things
like
that.
E
Okay,
any
other
conversation
about
future
presenters
or
do
we
think
we
have
a
little
bit
of
direction
and
we
can
also
follow
up
in
future
meetings
if
the
chart
was
inspirational
to
any
of
us
looking
at
it
going
forward.
E
So
I
think
discussion
for
the
community
engagement.
So
we
didn't
really
discuss
in
any
detail
because
we
moved
it
forward.
The
special
events
and
then
paths
moving
forward
for
community
engagement
and
then
a
presentation
from
perhaps
economic
development.
E
And
then
I
would
like
to
have
us
all
kind
of
take
a
look
at
the
the
the
star
rating
system
again
individually.
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen.
E
Okay,
just
as
a
a
task,
maybe
that
we
can
work
on
and
then
come
back
and
have
a
conversation
about,
and
you
know
recognizing
that
star
communities
is
just
one
framework,
so
perhaps
looking
at
the
star
communities
framework
and
then
if
anyone
else
has
any
other
frameworks
that
they
would
like
for
us
to
consider
using
so
that
we
can
start
honing
in
on
what
the
focus
areas
would
be.
E
E
So
if
you
click
on
one
of
the
topic
areas
like
climate
and
energy,
it
gives
the
title
and
then
the
purpose
for
each
of
the
objectives
so
like
climate
and
energy
has
seven
that
are
identified,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
if
we
just
take
a
look
at
the
the
chart.
E
Whoops
come
on
at
the
chart
and
see
because
we
had
talked
before
about
doing
this
and
we
didn't
really
but
prioritizing
what
our
interests
are,
and
I
think
that
that'll
help
us
to
kind
of
navigate
through
maybe
doing
some
instead
of
whole
group
thinking
like
individual
thinking
about
some
of
these,
and
we
may
want
to
do
individual
work
on
particular
areas
of
our
interest.
E
So
looking
through
each
of
these
areas
and
kind
of
thinking
like
ambient,
noise
and
light,
for
example,
is
that
something
that
we
would
want
to
do?
We
think
that
would
be
of
neces.
E
You
know
useful
or
necessary
for
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
or
or
not,
and
I'm
just
kind
of
going
through
that
and
what
helped
me
was
when
you
scroll
down
underneath
the
the
subjects
here
and
then
you
click
on
like
climate
and
energy,
it's
more
descriptive
it
and
it
helps
me
to
see
like
what
are
the
actual
actions
that
the
city
might
take.
So,
for
example,
one
of
them
is
to
conduct
a
local
climate
risk
and
vulnerability
assessment.
E
That,
I
think,
is
something
me
personally
that
I
think
that
that
we
would
want
to
include
in
our
sustainability
action
plan.
So
I
would
just
encourage
us
all
in
the
next
month
to
to
take
a
look
at
the
the
chart
and
then
to
take
a
look
at
the
website
and
look
through
what
all
of
these
mean,
what
they
have
kind
of
framed
and
then
also
maybe
to
see
what
there
isn't
that
we
might
want
to
really
focus
on.
E
So,
for
example,
there
isn't
any
there
isn't
a
category
specifically
on
flooding,
and
maybe
we
think
that
that's
an
area
that
is
of
high
enough
need
that
we
would
want
to
add
to
our
framework
and
really
make
that
one
of
the
focus
areas.
So
I
guess
kind
of
two
things.
E
Looking
well
three
things
looking
at
different
frameworks,
so,
in
addition
to
the
star
framework,
if
there's
another
one
that
you
would
like
to
share
with
the
group,
so,
for
example,
this
is
the
united
nations
framework
for
sustainable
goals
and
the
city
of
orlando
uses
those
for
their
framework.
But,
like
I
said,
the
city
of
st
pete
uses
this
the
star
framework.
E
I
know
ramona
mentioned
two
others
that
I'm
not
even
familiar
with
so
there's
definitely
many
different
ways
to
look
at
this,
but
if
we
could
first
start
looking
at
different
frameworks
and
then
second
to
start
to
think
about
what
the
components
would
be
under
each
of
them
and
then
to
maybe
take
a
look
at
doing.
E
An
inventory
of
what
you
personally
are
feeling
is
your
passion
for
so
maybe
it's
the
economy
and
jobs
and
health
and
safety,
or
you
know
where
you
think
you
might
want
to
plug
in
and
the
reason
I'm
mentioning.
That
is
because
just
want
to
remind
us
of
the
conversation
that
commissioner
donovan
brought
to
us
several
months
ago,
where
he
was
wanting
to
to
do
community
cleanups
and
also
to
do
a
green
business
award.
So
maybe
that's
something
that
one
of
us
says
you
know.
E
I
really
want
to
start
working
on
this.
I
don't
want
to
wait
until
it's
in
the
action
plan.
I
want
to
work
with
commissioner
donovan
and
maybe
the
chamber
of
commerce
or
business
in
the
merchants
association
to
work
out
what
a
what
rubric
for
giving
an
award
would
look
like,
and
then
I
think
that
we
can
start
moving
forward
with
individual
actions
that
we
could
loop
into
the
action
plan.
So,
instead
of
waiting
until
we
have
a
plan,
I
think
that
we
can
start
individually
looking
at
like.
E
I
really
want
to
start
working
on
this
and
then
thinking
about
you
know
is
there
a
commissioner?
Is
there
a
non-profit
kind
of
like
what
paul
did
paul
robinson?
This
is
what
you
know.
We
need
to
take
some
action
now
and
then,
and
then
I
think
we
can
maybe
fold
that
into
the
sustainability
action
plan
so
instead
of
just
waiting
till
the
end.
E
So
those
are
those
are
my
thoughts
for,
for
the
next
meeting
is
having
a
conversation
about
about
that,
like
looking
at
the
the
focus
areas
and
then
starting
to
look
at
what
we
are
interested
in
and
seeing
what
we
can
start
taking
some
actions
on
while
we're
working
on
the
plan-
and
I
will
stop
talking.
A
I
don't
know
whether
this
could
be
an
agenda
item,
but
tonight
gave
a
lot
of
food
for
thought.
The
whit
come
by
bayou
project
and
grant
proposal
brings
up
and
it
was
presented
to
us
via
turn
the
tide
for
tarpon
it.
But
it
brings
up
a
lot
of
questions
to
my
mind
as
to
interface
that
we
have
with
other
advisory
boards
and
with
the
city
itself,
and
I
guess
I
just
I
I
want
to
have
more
understanding.
I
mean
it's.
A
I
I
felt
like
oh
what
what
karen
was
talking
to
us
about
is
obvious
need,
and
you
know
you
want
to
say:
oh
yeah
go
for
it,
you
know,
go
for
it
and
start
getting
the
grant
rolling.
You
know
and
yet,
at
the
same
time,
there's
a
lot
of
delicacy
when
it
come
and
diplomacy
when
it
comes
to
interfacing
with
other
players,
and
I
guess
I
don't
quite
understand
how
the
sustainability
committee
at
this
point,
you
know
we're
just
in
our
infancy.
A
To
some
degree
I
mean
we've
been
working
for
a
year,
but
we're
still
the
new
advisory
board.
I
just
feel
like
I
want
to
have
some
more
understanding
of
how
we
do
this
without
stepping
on
anybody
else's
toes
without
overreaching.
A
What
are
the
processes,
because
I
mean
yes,
I
would
love
to
have
said.
Yes,
let's
go,
let's
move
ahead
and
to
some
you
know
on
on
looking
at
grants,
but
what
are
the
considerations
there
were?
It
was
obviously
somewhat
of
a
sale
pitch
for
what
karen
is
doing
and
how
she
is
proposing
these
grants
where
funding
is
available
anyway.
From
my
perspective,
I'd
just
like
to
understand
that
a
little
bit
better,
it
feels
like
we're
kind
of
putting
the
the
cart
ahead
of
the
horse.
A
Sometimes,
when
I've
we
might
be
doing
work
that
we'll
have
to
step
back
and
and
find
out
well
what
were
the
what
were
actually
the
more
official
proper
channels
to
go
through.
I
would
like
to
have
more
understanding
of
that.
I
don't
know
who
could
address
it
or
who
understands
the
players
and
how
how
we
interface
with
them,
but
that's
something
that
I
feel
like
is
necessary,
at
least
for
me.
A
I
don't
know
whether
it's
necessary
for
anybody
else,
but
I
sure
would
like
to
have
a
greater
understanding
of
how
we're
working
with
the
other
stakeholders
here,
including
the
community.
I
mean
we
could
say.
Oh,
this
is
a
wonderful
project,
but
how
does
this
affect
people
that
live
right
there
at
what
come
by
you
if
they're
going
to
lose
their
their
view?
E
I
agree
denise
and
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
sort
of
like
great
magic
wand
solution
for
this
right
now,
as
we're
kind
of
like
feeling
our
way
through
it.
I
think
that
probably
what
we
would
need
I
mean.
E
Certainly
what
we
need
to
do
is
I
think
that
it
would
be
okay
and
appropriate
for
us
to
be
having
these
different
ideas
and
conversations
with
other
community
members
and
then
just
bring
it
back
as
an
item
for
a
discussion,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
a
little
bit
stronger
parameters
when
something's
put
on
the
agenda,
like
you
know,
trying
to
keep
time
limit
of
maybe
20
minutes
for
for
an
agenda
so
that
we
all
understand
and
then
also
maybe
having
a
real,
clear
ask
at
the
end,
so
that
we
all
understand
what
it
is
that
the
committee
is.
E
Being
I
mean,
is
it
is
this
informational?
Is
this
pretty
much?
I
have
an
idea,
that's
that's
pretty
tight
and
I
would-
and
I
don't
you
know
if
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
cost
the
city
too
much
money.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
put
out
too
many
resources.
E
This
is
my
proposal
kind
of
thing.
I
don't
like,
for
example,
doing
a
community
cleanup.
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
have
like
a
you
know,
20
minute
conversation
about
doing
that.
I
think
if
one
of
us
wants
to
work
with
a
non-profit
or
a
you
know
a
commissioner
like
commissioner
donovan
and
say
we
would
like
to
to
do
this
and
we
would
like
it
to
be.
E
You
know
the
ask
would
be
that
the
sustainability
committee
is
promoting
it
and
perhaps
like
putting
it
out
on
our
channels,
or
we
would
like
the
commission
to
put
it
out
on
their
channels.
Something
like
that.
You
know.
I
think
that
that
would
just
be
a
lot
easier
for
us
to
digest.
If
we
have
some
limits
on
on
the
resources
of
everyone
in
terms
of
time
and
then
also
real
specific.
E
Excellent
are
there
so
we've
got
okay,
so
let's
continue
on
then
putting
together
the
agenda
for
next
month.
So
we've
got
the
continued
conversation
with
community
engagement.
We
need
to
have
a
follow-up
conversation
if
there's
any
questions
that
we
have
of
kevin
powell
or
if
there
were
any
for
the
arborist
or
any
comments
that
we'd
like
to
make
roll
that
into
a
follow-up
conversation
having
a
presentation
from
some
department
within
the
city
and
then
a
conversation
about
well.
E
I
guess
that
move
that
moving
forward
that
could
be
part
of
the
moving
forward.
Conversation
is
the
what
I
had
just
discussed
about
taking
a
look
at
the
different
frameworks,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
pretty
full
agenda.
E
Okay,
then
hearing
none,
I
see
we
go
with
that
and
then
let's
move
along
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comments.
I
do
believe
we
received
an
email
paul
smith.
Do
you
have
that
pulled
up,
or
is
that
something
that
we
was
addressed
to?
That
was
that
no
am
I
incorrect.
C
Oh,
I
know
what
you
mean
yeah.
We
just
received
our
first
email
on
our
our
flyer
and
I
have
to
say
it
was
very
direct
about
feedback
that
that's
why
we
get
feedback,
because
sometimes
we
might
miss
something.
It
was
definitely,
I
think,
a
blind
spot,
but
it
was
sort
of
a
criticism
that
we
did
it
on
non-recycled
paper
and
this
person.
Basically,
their
point
of
view
was
that
I
already
do
these
things
and
you
all
need
to
do
a
better
job
at
your
thing,
so
you.
B
C
C
C
This
group
had
some
great
discussion
on
this
over,
I
think
three
different
meetings
and
that
I
don't
think
ever
came
up,
so
it
just
goes
to
show
that
many
times
the
public
knows
better
than
we
do.
E
Lesson
learned:
we're
learning
constantly
learning.
Are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public?
That
would
like
to
make
a
comment
now.
E
Thank
you
all
right,
then,
moving
on
to
staff
comments
is
there
anything
paul
or
ashley
that
you
would
like
to
discuss.
M
Okay,
so
I
did
want
to
follow
up
with
you
guys
on
two
items
from
the
last
meeting.
One
of
them
was
on
recycling
and
wondering
if
businesses
need
to
recycle.
I
did
follow
up
with
tom
function
on
that
he's.
The
public
works
director
who
has
spoken
here
before,
and
he
let
me
know
that
commercial
entities
are
not
required
to
recycle,
but
they
are
encouraged
and
they
said,
should
they
recycle
they're
not
bound
by
city
sanitation,
contract
to
use
our
vendor.
M
So
that
is
the
update
for
recycling
and
then
also,
I
reached
out
to
karen
lemons
again
about
that
monthly
newsletter,
and
she
did,
let
me
know
as
far
as
what
material
can
be
shared
on.
There
is
things
like
events,
so,
for
example,
if
we
were
to
do
the
event
with
connor
donovan,
commissioner
donovan
with
the
community
cleanup,
that
would
be
something
we
could
post
on
there.
M
She
said
advertising
for
feedback
on
larger
issues,
feedback,
surveys,
things
with
like
city
impact
and
then
also
for
the
900
of
900
subscribers
that
she
had.
Let
me
know
she
has.
She
said
those
include
residents
and
business
owners,
so
that
was
a
follow-up
on
on
the
900
subscribers
as
well,
but
that
is
all
I
have.
So
if
you
guys
any
questions.
C
I'll
be
brief,
you
all
have
hung
in
there
very
well
tonight
and
sorry
for
my
part
of
making
this
a
long
agenda.
C
C
We
worked
with
our
stormwater
consultant
to
put
it
together,
but
also
showing
a
lot
of
good
regional
collaboration
in
our
application.
What
this
would
do
for
us,
if
we're
successful
is
it
would
give
us
more
horsepower
to
finish
up
our
sap
by
showing
that
vulnerability.
If
you
recall
the
city
of
sarasota's
vulnerability
plan,
we
liked
a
lot
because
it
actually
showed
you
know
infrastructure
and
prioritizations
of
capital
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
So
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
tool
that
we
can
blend
right
in
to
our
sustainability
action
plan
and
our
comprehensive
plan.
E
Thank
you
paul
any
questions
about
that
grant.
I
think
that
that's
a
fantastic
opportunity
for
hopefully
we
get
that
money
we
can
be
able
to
demonstrate
where
our
you
know
what
we
need
to
be
where
we
can
be
more
resilient
for
the
city,
and
I
think
that
that'll
fold
in
nicely
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
so
all
right.
Any
committee
comments
open
it
up.
B
I
don't
know
if
we
already
did
this,
but
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
send
the
results
of
the
listening
sessions
to
like
the
board
of
commissioners
or
any
other
departments
that
may
be
directly
involved
in
the
things
they
were
talking
about,
because
I
understand
what
paul
was
saying
that,
like
you
know,
we
don't
directly
do
those
things
or
have
like
jurisdiction
over
them,
but
we
can
have
a
hand
in
like
what
they're
pertaining
to,
and
I
think
that
feedback
might
be
good
for
other
departments
and
stuff
to
hear.
E
Comments
well,
I
will
just
say
that
I
would
like
to
respond
to
the
email
that
we
received,
so
I
will
take
that
as
a
personal
to-do
and
hopefully
that
resident
will
like
want
to
get
involved
with
us
and
help
us
to
have
these
creative
brainstorms.
Before
we
we
put
out
a
non-recycled
paper.
E
Okay,
well,
then,
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
this
longer
meeting
than
usual.
I
think
it
was
super
helpful
and
informative.
There
was
a
lot
of
information
exchanged,
so
I
will
wrap
up
the
things
that
I
asked
more
clearly
and
send
them
over
to
paul
so
that
we
have
a
little
bit
like
a
real,
clear
direction
of
what
for
the
for
our
next
meeting
for
that
conversation,
so
they
can
be
as
productive
as
possible,
and
with
that
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Please.