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A
Welcome
everyone
to
the
sustainability
committee
meeting
of
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida.
This
thursday
june
16th
at
6,
00
pm
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order,
and
can
we
please
get
a
roll
call.
A
All
right
so
welcome
everybody.
We
got
a
full
house,
it's
like
a
party
in
here
very
exciting.
A
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
minutes
from
may
19
2022
and
then
also
approval
of
minutes
from
may
20th.
2021
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes.
D
A
All
right,
very
good-
that
was
easy.
Next
item
is
a
follow-up
on
public
engagement.
The
robin's
going
to
walk
us
through
the
workshop
and
survey
update.
Do.
A
A
C
So,
as
you
know,
we
wrapped
up
our
public
workshops.
Last
month
they
went
pretty
well.
We
had
some
very
interested
community
members
who
we
engaged
with.
At
our
first
workshop,
we
had
two
participants
at
our
second
workshop.
We
had
six
participants
and
at
the
third
we
had
11
participants,
so
we
effectively
doubled
at
each
workshop
in
numbers.
C
However,
we
did
get
some
good
quality
conversations
that
were
able
to
take
place,
given
that
it
was
a
small
group
and
a
roundtable
setting,
so
we
are
currently
sorting
through
the
feedback
right
now
I
was
going
to
introduce
her
during
staff
comments,
but
I'll
introduce
her
now.
Michelle
is
our
sustainability
intern
this
summer
and
she
is
helping
me
to
sort
through
this
feedback.
C
There
were,
of
course,
some
responses
to
each
that
were
kind
of
hyper
focused
to
people's
homes
or
areas,
issues
that
are
very
you
know
close
to
them,
but
overall
we
we
did
have
some
broader
themes.
So
from
our
survey
we
had
a
total
of
170
responses,
most
from
the
demographic
data.
Most
of
them
were
white
residents
living
near
craig
park,
making
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year.
Most
believe
climate
change
is
happening
now
affecting
us
right
now.
C
Some
community
services
needed
were
listed
as
renewable
energy
resources
and
funding
opportunities
for
residents
and
businesses
to
improve
health
care
services
were
listed
multiple
times.
Many
have
experienced
noted
that
they
have
experienced
interior
infrastructure,
failing
major
appliances
and
hurricane
or
tropical
storm
evacuations.
C
The
majority
of
people
taking
sustainable
actions
mentioned
that
they
currently
reduce
at
work
to
reduce
their
waste
and
recycle
as
the
action
that
they
take.
Currently
many
mentioned
a
desire
to
use
renewable
energy,
but
listed
cost
is
a
barrier
to
obtaining
renewable
energy
and
as
well
as
electric
vehicles.
C
Many
also
mentioned
a
desire
to
purchase
local
foods
and
to
drive
an
electric
or
hybrid
vehicle,
but
that
question.
Actually,
I
believe
the
question
is:
what
actions
would
you
like
to
begin
doing
for
sustainability?
That
was
our
most
skipped
question,
so
we
had
the
least
response
rate
to
that
question
in
particular.
Actually,
and
there
was
in
general
quite
a
lot
of
recycling
concerns.
People
want
to
see
more
recycling
so
again
we're
still
working
through
all
of
these
written
responses.
C
At
the
next
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
have
graphics
and
really
visualize
that
data
and
break
it
down
very
thoroughly.
For
you
to
be
able
to
review
an
advance
of
the
meeting
so
that
we
can
have
an
in-depth
conversation
at
the
next
meeting.
But
that
was
just
kind
of
an
overall
view
at
some
of
the
data
that
we
received.
E
C
So
we
at
the
workshops
we
went
through
the
exercise
where,
at
the
end
of
our
conversation,
they
were
given
stickers
to
rank.
You
know
what
items
were
of
most
importance
to
them,
so
we
actually
tallied
up
those
rankings.
So
that's
what
that
is
based
on
which
items
had
the
highest
rankings.
C
I
would
say
overall,
there
was
we
had
at
our
first
workshop.
There
was
some
it
was
a
very
small
workshop,
but
we
had
some
representation.
Yes,
very
small.
We
had
some
younger
community
members
college
student
and
we
had
some
variety
of
ages
across
the
workshops.
C
We
had
some
community
members
who
mentioned
that
they
came
from
the
union
academy
neighborhood
in
attendance
at
our
workshops.
So
I
would
say
there
was
some
if
you
keep
in
mind
that
out
of
19
and
total.
H
I
have
a
question
before
you
write
on
that:
what
do
you
think
could
have
been
done
differently
to
have
higher
attendance
at
those
because
I
feel
like
there
was
a
push
you
know,
and
you
were
at
a
lot
of
the
community
events
advertising
that
they
were
there,
but
we
have
26
000
residents
in
tarkin
springs
and
now
19
show
up
between
three
different
options
for
dates.
What
do
you
think?
H
C
I
do
I
think
there
are
several
factors
that
played
into
that.
One
was
during
the
time
frame
of
our
workshops.
There
happened
to
be
a
lot
of
other
city
workshops,
going
on
with
strategic
plan
and
comprehensive
plan
and
like
historic
preservation
and-
and
there
were
several
other
workshops
going
on
some
even
on
the
same
days,
so
that
could
be
there's
also
something
called
workshop
fatigue,
where
people
just
kind
of
get
tired
to
go
into
all
these
workshops.
C
So
we
might
have
experienced
some
of
that,
some
it
could
have
been
from
competition
or
from
some
workshop
fatigue.
We
did
find
that
the
third
workshop
had
the
best
attendance,
and
that
was
actually
an
evening
workshop.
That
was
the
only
one
of
the
three
that
took
place
on
an
evening,
so
it
could
be
that
maybe
the
timing
that
we
chose
for
the
first
two
wasn't
the
best
time
to
engage
with
the
community.
Our
first
one
was
on
a
saturday
afternoon:
12
p.m,
to
2
p.m,
and
obviously
that
had
our
poorest
attendance.
C
Our
second
one
was,
on
a
tuesday
same
time,
frame,
12,
p.m,
to
2
p.m,
and
we
got
some
community
members,
but
that
could
also
be
a
factor.
But
I'm
it's
hard
to
say
the
exact
reason.
That's
kind
of
what
I
speculate
could
have
played
into
that.
Okay.
H
C
H
That's
that's
right,
so
your
total
is
170.
right.
Are
you
happy
with
that?
I
mean
obviously
we'd
like
more,
but
in
the
scheme
of
like
when
pinellas
county
did
their
survey
for
sustainability.
I
don't
know
what
percentage
rate
you
know
what
the
percentage
of
respondents
were.
Where
do
we
kind
of
fall
or
how
should
we
be
happy
with
170,
I
mean
or
again?
What's
what
do
you
think's
stopping
more
people
from
being
involved
with
what
we're
doing.
C
I
don't,
I
am
personally
happy
with
170..
I
I
think
it
was.
It
exceeded
my
expectation,
but
you
know
compared
to
pinellas
county.
I
think
that
their
percentage
was
something
like
0.05.
C
I
believe
they
had
around
a
thousand
responses
out
of
something
like
a
million
residents
and
we
received
170
out
of
26
000,
so
I
think
we
did
have
a
higher
percentage
response
rate
than
the
county
did
as
far
as
how
it
compares
to
the
other
local
municipalities.
I'd
have
to
do
some
more
research,
but
I
I
was.
I
personally
thought.
170
seemed
like
a
pretty
good
number
yeah.
H
G
To
about
0.7,
okay,
and
if
you
multiply
that
times
a
million
you
know
as
far
as
counter
yeah
well,
I
have
to
get
back
to
it
on
that
math,
but
I
I
think,
actually,
that
percentage
it
sounds
low,
but
170
for
this
population
is
it's
pretty
good,
pretty
good.
B
A
Thanks
so
I
think
we've
learned
that
saturdays
are
no
good,
especially
at
the
beginning
of
summer,
when
everybody
wants
to
be
out
on
their
boat.
Instead,
lesson
learned,
but
thank
you
robin
for
all
of
your
work.
Getting
that.
E
A
A
So
we
have
a
presentation.
Next,
on
the
we
can
buy
you
project
from
arcadis-
and
I
just
want
to
level
set
for
this
agenda
item
that
we're
allocating
about
a
half
an
hour.
So
15
minutes
for
the
presentation,
15
minutes
for
question
and
answer
so
that
we
have
enough
time
for
all
of
the
other
fun
things
we
have
planned
for
tonight.
A
I
So
it's
great
great
to
be
back
here.
I'm
bob
robertson
project,
administration,
department,
director
and
I'm
just
going
to
introduce
arcadis
they're
going
to
give
you
this
presentation,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
an
update.
Basically,
since
the
last
time
we
talked
to
you,
I
think,
was
february
since
that
time
we've
had
a
public
meeting
that
was
pretty
well
attended.
We
had
something
like
I
think
it
was
26.
I
28
people
attend
that
meeting
and
give
us
written
comments,
and
then
we
put
the
alternatives
that
you're
going
to
see
on
connect,
tarpon
and
got
another
120,
some
responses.
So
out
of
150
responses,
we
got
some
pretty
good
feedback
to
work
with
going
forward
here,
but
we
took
the
advice
of
this
this
committee.
We
improved
those
graphics,
and
so
that's
what
you've
seen
at
the
public
meeting
and
what
you'll
see
today
on
the
line
is
johnny
stewart
he's
a
project
manager
with
arcadis
we're
making.
I
The
unusual
move
of,
I
guess
special
permission
to
allow
him
to
join
us.
He's
got
an
injury
he's
dealing
with
and
couldn't
drive,
but
we're
glad
he
can
be
here
to
do
this
presentation
and
with
him
is
paul
wolanski,
also
from
arcadis
and
they're,
going
to
tag
team.
This
presentation
here
in
a
couple
of
pieces,
so
johnny
are
you
there.
I
J
Am
there
is
everyone
able
to
see
my
screen.
J
But
I'm
sure
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee,
the
public
and
those
assembled
from
the
city
really
happy
to
have
this
opportunity
to
present
this
project
update
on
the
we
can
buy.
You
alternative
analysis
from
this
strategy,
as
bob
said,
thank
you
for
making
some
accommodations
for
me,
I'm
on
crutches
for
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
Otherwise
I
would
have
loved
to
be
there
with
you
guys
in
person.
We
have
an
interest
of
time
seeing
that
we
have
30
minutes
to
do
this.
J
We
do
have
a
designated
qa
part
of
this
presentation
at
the
end,
however,
feel
free
to
stop
us
at
any
point
in
time.
Ask
some
questions
would
like
this
to
be
a
conversation
as
well
I'll,
just
quickly
introduce
myself
since
I
wasn't
able
to
present
in
front
of
this
board
the
last
time,
so
I
am
based
in
arcadis's
miami
office.
J
I've
been
with
the
firm
about
four
years,
part
of
the
national
urban
and
cultural
resilience
practice,
but
I
focus
primarily
on
florida,
so
I'm
the
resilience
planning
lead
for
arcadis's
north
america
practice
here
in
florida
prior
to
that
I've
spent
maybe
a
dozen
years
between
city
and
county
government
down
in
south
florida
city
of
miami
and
miami-dade
county
first
working
in
sustainability.
So
sustainability
is
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
but
then
also
before
I
left
local
government.
J
J
Deal
with
flood
risk
and
those
around
sea
level
rise
so
very
relevant
to
what's
happening
here
on
the
west
coast
of
florida
spent
a
lot
of
time
studying
it.
So
I
will
just
quickly
go
over
today's
agenda
all
right,
so
I'll
really
go
very
quick
over
the
flutter
risk
overview.
I
know
you
guys
have
had
some
understanding
of
that
from
our
previous
presentation,
but
I'll
just
do
it
really
quickly,
especially
for
some
members
of
the
public
I'll
give
a
quick
update
of
where
we
stand
today
in
our
project.
J
Update,
what's
been
done
so
far
where
we
are
and
an
outline
an
overview
of
what's
to
come
next
at
that
point,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
paul
wolanski
they're
in
person
who
will
give
an
overview
of
the
alternatives
and
present
those
to
you
and
then
I'll
close
up
with
an
overview
of
how
we
are
aligning
that
with,
hopefully
with
available
funding
streams
at
the
federal
and
state
level.
J
So
very
quickly,
as
you
all
well
know,
you're
seeing
increased
flood
risk
around
the
wacom
bayou
on
the
the
tampa
bay
area
in
general,
but
extreme
high
ties,
heavy
precipitation,
especially
with
asian
infrastructure,
increased
risk
from
coastal
storms
and
hurricanes,
etc.
J
B
G
J
Four
feet
through
2100
just
included
this
as
what
the
county
is
using
generally
to
communicate
sea
level
rise
throughout
this
jurisdiction.
The
extent
of
sea
level
rise
is
going
to
different
differ
by
local
characteristics,
et
cetera
and
these
well.
These
projections
are
refined.
G
J
On
five-year
increments,
as
data
becomes
better
and
clearer,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
general
overview
of
that
we'll
get
into
levels
of
protection
and
return
periods
when
paul
presents,
but
generally,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
and
I'll
explain
further
on
is
to
protect.
We
can
buy
you
to
the
10-year
annual
chance
of
returning.
J
B
J
B
J
Five
year
5.8
feet
above
navd
navigation.
The
reason
why
we
did
not
go
to
a
higher
level
of
or
try
to
design
this
project
with
a
higher
level
of
protection
is
because
doing
so
affects
the
feasibility
of
this
project,
especially
from
a
an
enjoyment
point
of
view.
So
there
has
to
be
trade-offs
between
what
we
can
protect
costs
and
also
how
residents
utilize
this
important
asset
in
the
community
so
going
higher
than
that
is
really
really
compromised.
Views
and
vistas
and
access
to
the
bayou
and
use
of
it.
J
So
part
of
where
we
settled
on
a
good
flood
protection
level
is
the
tenure
event
just
quickly
work
completed
to
date.
So
we
started
off
this
engagement
and
we're
doing
this
in
partnership
with
cardinal.
But
we
started
off
this
engagement
with
a
very
high
level
technical
feasibility
analysis
where
we
did
some.
You
know
rudimentary
data
review,
understand
the
conditions
and
the
impacts
that
are
happening
there
and
started
thinking
about
what
could
be
some
of
the
interventions
and
mitigation
strategies
to
reduce
flood
risk
in
this
area.
J
In
february,
for
that
very
high
level,
technical
feasibility,
presentation
of
alternatives,
and
then
thereafter,
we
took
back
the
feedback
that
we
gained
from
you
further
refinement
with
the
city
to
frame
that
into
more
of
a
what
you're
going
to
see
here,
which
is
the
alternatives,
analysis
that
technical
feasibility
presentation,
the
high
level
one
was
also
presented
by
bob
and
his
team
to
the
board
and
then
continuous
refinement
through
public
engagement
and
refinement.
J
That's
going
to
happen
from
this
point
here
on
out
as
well
with
further
public
engagement
and
the
results
of
the
online
survey,
anything
that
we'll
get
from
this
committee,
especially
with
comments
and
reviews
of
our
deliverables
and
also
with
other
stakeholders
like
pinellas
county.
J
We
are
going
to
refine
this
further
and
present
a
a
more
final
depiction
of
our
alternatives
to
the
board
in
july.
Also,
I
just
get
to
step
one
thing
that
we
are
going
to
do
and
I'll
go
over
this
as
well
is
to
ensure
that
whatever
we
are
doing
here,
we're
presenting
is
as
feasible
as
possible
to
align
with
available
funding
streams
to
facilitate
implementation.
J
This
current
engagement
that
we
have
ends,
I
believe
in
august,
but
thereafter
there
is
some
steps
and
we'll
go
into
some
of
the
recommendations
of
what
needs
to
happen
beyond
that,
but
at
a
high,
very
high
level,
and
generally
I
know
the
city
has
had
some
recent
funding
from
the
state
to
complete
a
vulnerability
assessment,
around
flood
risk
and
sea
level
rise.
That's
a
crucial.
J
Not
only
to
advance
this
project
but
funding
in
general
and
then
ongoing
coordination
with
the
county
and
other
stakeholders
and
will
continuously
redefine,
I
mean
refined,
funding,
options
and
alignment
with
them
and,
as
I
go
into
my
presentation,
you'll
see
that
funding
can
it's
not
necessarily
a
one
for
one
type
of
application.
There's
a
number.
C
J
L
Paul
great,
thank
you
johnny
good
evening.
Everyone,
I'm
glad
to
be
back
again
talking
to
you
about
the
we
can
buy
you
a
flood
flood
protection
alternatives,
some
of
the
things
that
you've
you've
heard
before
if
you
were
in
the
meeting
back
in
february,
but
this
is
what,
as
johnny
alluded
to
right
here
on
the
screen
you
see.
This
is
the
10-year
flood
innovation
map
for
with
it
with
combiner
area,
so
in
the
pink
or
all
the
areas
that
would
experience
flooding
at
a
10-year
flight
event.
L
E
L
No
problem,
so
so
the
the
flood
protection
that
the
alternatives,
I'm
going
to
explain
to
you
they're,
going
to
be
implemented,
we're
proposing
them
to
be
implemented
all
around
what
with
cambayu
from
craig
park
in
the
northwest
to
to
the
all
around
the
bayou
to
the
to
the
northwest
corner,
where
we
have
to
tie
into
a
higher
ground
there,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
keep
the
flood
flood
before
us
from
coming
around
the
system.
L
Another
thing
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
on
this
graphic
is
that
even
if
we
implement
the
flood
protection
alternatives
all
around
with
combio,
there
is
a
a
another
component
of
the
of
the
flood
system
that
needs
to
be
addressed
as
well,
and
that's
in
the
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
in
the
southwest
corner
southeast
corner
of
the
bayou
there's
a
bridge
that
leads
you
to
the
canals
and
people's
homes
on
the
canals,
and
even
if
you
install
flood
protection
all
around
the
bayou,
the
water
flood
waters
can
go
into
those
canals
and
those
canals.
L
Sea
walls
are
a
lower
elevation
and
the
water
could
go
above
those
sea
walls
and
flood
it
from
behind
your
system.
So
you
you
need
to
be
able
to
protect
those
homes
and
and
the
canals
so
some
kind
of
flood
protection
gate
at
the
bridge.
There
needs
to
be
also
part
of
this
of
the
foot
protection
of
this
whole
system,
so
that,
in
order
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
flood
warriors
can't
go
behind
your
flood
protection
system.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
but
I'll
go
over
the.
L
What
the
three
alternatives
that
we
presented
at
the
public
involvement
meeting,
if
you're
on
the
next
slide.
Thank
you
johnny.
So
alternative
one
is
we're
proposing
a
t
wall
so
there's
it
is
a
concrete
barrier
wall.
I
know
some
people
at
the
public
meeting
looks
similar
to
a
jersey
barrier,
but
it
has
a
foundation
underneath
it's
more
looks
like
a
t
and
that's
how
it
gets
its
name
from
as
a
t
wall,
and
then
you,
but
you
only
see
the
top.
L
All
around
the
the
bayou
and
the
also,
if
you
see
on
the
top
right
corner
the
along
the
wall
at
everyone
where
there
are
public
docs,
we
would
need
to
install
a
watertight
gate
that
would
be
self-closing
so
the
so
that
the
public
would
still
have
access
to
their
docs,
and
we
tried
to
in
our
graphics,
we
tried
to
put
in
some
plantings
in
front
of
the
wall
to
make
it
look
more
aesthetically
pleasing
there
was.
There
are
other
options.
L
Some
folks
at
the
public
involvement
meeting,
also
suggested
painting
the
wall
or
putting
a
nice
scene
of
like
a
fish
fish
scene
on
it
or
something.
So
there
could
be
other
other
ways
that
you
could
beautify
it
a
little
bit.
So
it's
not
an
eyesore
for
the
residents,
but
I
want.
Another
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
this
option
of
the
table?
L
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
guess
that
that
would
be
how
they
would
but
how
they
attach
it
to
the
wall
below
yes,
okay,
so
that
is.
That
is
one
advantage
of
this
option
for
the
future,
and
and
also
we
for
all
the
alternatives
which
we
there's
a
living
shoreline
component.
L
We
want
to
make
sure
we
that
we,
if
any
mangroves
that
are
that
are
disturbed
around
wikimbaya,
which
are
there
are
many
would
be
replanted
and
and
other
wetland
plants
would
be
implanted
there
and
riprap
erosion
protection
to
protect
the
shoreline.
So
we're
planning
to
play
on
a
living,
trolling
component
for
all
the
options.
L
So
that's
option
one:
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
Johnny
alternative
two
was
road
raising
so
actually
raising
the
existing
road
around
with
wickham
boulevard.
F
L
Right,
I
mean,
I
guess,
probably
when
there's
still
at
least
half
the
life
remaining,
I
would
say
no
more
than
25
years,
I
would
say,
because
you
don't
want
to
add
onto
it
and
then
you
know
not
have
a
you're
like
you're,
only
going
to
have
useful
life
of
50
years
for
the
bottom
structure.
So,
if
you
add,
on
top
of
the
wall,
it's
still
going
to
the
the
life
is
not
going
to
expand
the
life
of
the
wall
system.
L
Great,
so
the
second
alternative
is
raising
the
road,
and
so
this
would
be
raising
the
road
to
the
same
level
as
the
protection
of
the
t
wall.
One
thing
about
raising
the
road
is
that
any
road
drainage
would
have
to
be
modified
connections
to
any
roads
that
come
into
it.
Comb
by
you
would
have
to
be
modified.
L
The
around
the
residences
around
wikimbayo,
the
driveways,
would
have
to
be
altered
to
meet
the
road
properly,
and
I
think
in
some
cases
instead
of
draining
away
from
properties,
it
would
probably
drain
towards
properties,
because
the
road
would
be
higher
there
would
be,
and
it
could
be
a
swell
to
collect
water,
probably
around
around
adjacent
to
the
roadway,
so
also
the
same
similar
lifespan
of
50
years
on
the
road.
L
But
I
think
this
was
my
the
least
favorite
option
of
the
public
meeting,
but
it
is
an
option
that
that
could
for
it
it's
more.
It's
the
most
expensive
option
which
we'll
see
later
but
of
the
three
alternatives.
L
And
then
alternative
three
was
an
earth
berm
which
exactly
it
sounds
earthbound
around
the
let
go
levee
around
the
wickham
bio
at
the
same
elevation
to
the
10-year
flood
event.
L
It's
not
a
lot
of
people
in
the
public
meetings
expressed
the
interest
that
they,
like
the
earth
berm
option
having
a
walking
path
around
the
volume,
in
this
case
we're
just
showing
grass,
but
it
could
be
paved
if
if
that
was
desired,
but
there
would
be
any
mangroves
that
were
disturbed
in
this
option
would
also
be
replanted
as
a
living
shoreline
element,
and
there
would
need
to
be
a
little
road
path.
Three
or
four
foot
clear
zone
between
the
road
and
the
berm.
L
So
for
walking
and-
and
then
it's
all
this
and
this
option,
just
like
the
t
wall-
is
also
adaptive
to
a
future.
You
could
also
rate
add
more
fill
at
a
later
date
and
raise
the
berm
as
well.
So
that's
something
else
to
consider.
L
E
Side
previously
in
the
original
picture,
it's
all
straight
across
right.
L
L
All
right
and
then
and
then
we
have
alternative
four,
which
is
a
hybrid
between
the
earth
berm
and
the
t
wall,
and
this
this
one
is
really
an
interesting
option
because,
as
you
go
around
what
can
bayou
the
right-of-way
is.
It
varies
in
width
around
there.
So
some
sections
that
the
right
way
is
is
smaller
and
some
of
it
is
wider.
L
So
that
would
be
that's
a
an
option
so
and
that
would
minimize
impact
impacts
to
mangroves,
and
we
also
also
have
the
similar
design
design
life
for
the
50
years,
but
that
that's
just
as
a
combination
option.
L
Right
in
in
in
the
areas
that
to
go
over
the
berm
right,
you
probably
have
to
put
some
stairs
in
the
platform
and
stairs
down
and
then,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
make
it
ada
compliant
you'd,
have
to
do
a
ramp
back
and
forth
to
get
over
on
both
sides.
Because.
D
You
indicated
that
in
new
orleans
there
was
experience
and
successful
experience
using
t-walls
right.
What
experiences
have
you
or
your
colleagues
at
arcadis,
have
with
each
of
these
alternatives
and
and
also
what
experience
have
you
had
with
a
hybrid
formation.
L
Right,
the
so
arcadius
has
done
a
did,
has
a
lot
of
work
in
louisiana
for
after
katrina,
and
you
know
there
was
different
wall
systems
that
they
had
in
place
there.
There
was
a
eyewall
system
and
t-wall
and
it
was-
and
it
was
definitely
from
from
experience
the
I
will.
There
was
a
lot
more
failures
of
the
eyewall
system,
and
so
that's
why
we're
not
recommending
that
in
this
case
and
the
t-walls
had
very
good
performance
against
the
storms
in
in
louisiana
so
and
then
earth
berms.
L
I
I
personally
have
designed
a
lot
of
earth
levees
for
the
sapphire
water
management,
district
and
they're
they're,
with
the
having
the
the
right
specifications
and
using
the
right
fill
materials
and
and
sub
base.
I
think
that
it
could
be
very,
very
effective
having
the
earth,
berm
and
and,
of
course,
the
the
road
the
raising
you
know.
L
I
guess
that
speaks
for
itself,
because
the
row
would
just
be
at
a
higher
elevation
and
the
drainage
would
be
modified
to
match
existing
drainage
so
and
then
the
I
haven't,
I
mean
a
lot
of
times
you,
the
walls
and
berms
meet
up
together.
The
only
disadvantage
that
that
I
think
in
this
project,
if
you
did
both
of
them,
was
that
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
nice
walking
path
all
around
the
bayou
that
that
would
be
interrupted,
so
that
would
be
a
detriment.
I
guess
to
that
option.
D
In
the
locations
in
which
you
have
a
t-wall
meeting,
a
berm,
the
the
the
berm
has
a
front
face
which
is
angled.
The
t-wall
does
not
right.
Do
you
have
to
have
a
connecting
t-wall?
How
does
that
work?
It.
L
D
In
the
insets
that
in
which
you
show
line
of
sight
from
a
humanoid
right
down
to
the
water,
yes,
how
high
is
the
porch
on
that
house
relative
to
the
level
of
the
road
as
it
exists
today,
and
how
does
that
compare
to
the
typical
house
along
south
spring
right?
So.
L
So
those
are
our
realistic
figures
so
where,
where
the
pictures
were
from,
which
is
on
the
south
end
of
whitcomb
bayou,
the
we
actually
took
this
elevation
data
available
at
lidar
and
we
so
we
actually
tried
to
see
what
the
elevation
of
those
those
homes
there
to
the
south
were
and
make
a
realistic
line
of
sight.
From
that
point.
So
we
haven't
done
the
analysis
from
all
around
the
bayou,
but
that
that
was
from
the
south
homes.
L
But
we
we
went
to
see
how
much
of
the
view
would
be
obstructed
and
at
that
level
it
didn't.
It
didn't
seem
from
the
south.
L
Okay,
so
that
was
but
those
a
realistic
figure
so.
L
L
Yeah
we
we,
we
did
a
lot
of
research
on
it
to
try
to
come
up
with
the
conceptual
designs
and-
and
we
had
looked
at
actually,
the
problem
is
this:
this
needs
to
be
a
navigable
gate
system
and
that's
what
makes
that's
the
problem
and
so
sector
gate
was
one
of
our
first
ideas,
which
actually
is
double
the
price
of
a
floating
board.
L
So
that's
what
that's
what
we
were
looking
at
internally,
what
other
options
do
we
have
and
that
and
that
we
I
know-
and
we
haven't
you
know
I
just
we
did
measurements
on
using
google
earth
to
see
what
the
width
across
that
that
canal
length
in
front
of
the
bridges
and
that's.
Oh,
I
see
that's
where
we
came
up
with
the
75
feet,
but
the
barge
would
be
in
place
away,
swung
away
from
the
bridge
and
then
as
approaching
storm.
L
It
would
be
then,
if
he
swung
back
and
then
after
it's
swung
into
place,
it
needs
to
be
flooded.
So
then
it
seats
down
and
provides
you
the
flood
barrier
from
the
canal.
L
No,
it
would
mostly
would
be
unmanned
most
of
the
year.
It
would
have
to
be
operated
and
exercised-
probably
at
least
once
a
year
to
make
sure
things
are
working,
and
so
that's
probably
part
of
the
operations
maintenance
cost
per
year.
L
No,
you
have
to
absolutely
I'm
placed,
I
think,
there's
there's
a
like
a
winch
and
you
need
a
generator
to
to
pull
it
into
into
place
and
then
there's
probably
then
there's
pumps
that
would
flood
it.
So,
yes,
it
needs
be
and.
L
It
would
be,
there
would
be
a
I
guess,
like
bridge
abutments,
I
guess
on
both
sides
where
it
would
tie
into
and
then
it
would
sink
down
to
a
floating
platform
or
I'm
not
floating
back
from
a
submerged
platform,
and
then
that
would
seat
and
block
the
flood.
L
Right
so
I
guess
the
I
guess
it
would
be
designed
so
there's
the
floating
barge
and
then
there's
a
wall
on
top
of
the
barge
for
your
flood
wall,
and
so
you
that
would
be
designed
to
whatever
flood
protection
you
wanted
to
to
protect.
To
so
and.
L
E
Are
the
other
options
for
right.
L
Now
there
is
another
option:
the
I
was
just
talking
to
some
of
our
folks
in
our
sustainability
group
and
there
was
a
there's,
a
project
in
the
netherlands.
Actually
that
used
vertical
slide
gates
instead
and
we
might
be
able
to
install
several
vertical
slide
gates.
So
you
wouldn't
you.
L
The
reason
why
we
want
to
have
several
is
that
if
we
might
have
one
bigger
slide
gate
in
the
middle
for
the
boat
vessel
traffic,
but
if
you
only
left
that
opening
we're
we're
concerned
about
stagnation
in
the
canal
not
being
able
to
flush
properly,
and
so,
but
if
you
had
several
gates,
you
could
have
them
all
lifted
up
so
that
there
would
be
flow
into
the
canals
and
that
so
that
structure
could
be
could
be
separate
from
the
front
of
the
bridge
or
there's.
L
We
submitted
our
draft
analysis
report
and
we've
already
got
some
good
comments
from
the
city
and
there
was
one
option
about
potentially
integrating
that
that
floods
vertical
flood
gate
system
into
replacing
the
bridge.
So
that
is
something
else,
we're
going
to
look
into
and
and
include
in
our
final
report,
and
there
are
some
other
funding
opportunities.
If
there's
a
transportation
element
like
the
bridge
in
in
the
project,
so
there
could
be
some
other
funding
sources
that
could
be
looked
into
with
that
option
as
well.
L
Yeah,
the
the
technical
term
of
it
is
a
select
fill,
but
it's
just
a
a
mixture
that
you
know
has
less
clay,
material
and
less
fragments
it's
something
that
it's
more
utilized
or
as
for
a
base
material
or
something
that
that's
more
structurally
sound.
That's
what
the
that's!
What
the
I
guess
material
earth
material
would
be.
E
L
L
It
would
be
designed,
you
know,
to
withstand
the
storm
events,
and
then
the
erosion
protection
in
front
of
it
and
the
living
shoreline
elements
would
help
keep
it
protected
as
well.
L
Right
well,
the
ideally
we'd
like
to
not
disturb
the
mangroves
if
possible,
but
if
they
were
going
to
be
impacted,
I
think
the
best
way
of
have
to
would
be
to
remove,
have
them
removed
and
then
replanted
afterwards.
I
mean,
I
don't
know
if
robin,
if
you
have
any
experience
with
replanting
mangroves,
but
we
would
want
to
we
wanted
to
destroy
them
the
ones
there
we
want
to.
We
want
to
re,
reuse
them.
E
L
I
guess
the
contractor
would
be
responsible
for
maintaining
them.
I
would.
I
would
think
that
they
probably
would
be
removed,
off-site
and
taken
care
of,
and
then
brought
back
during
when
they're
ready
to
be
replanted,
because
I'm
not
sure
how
you
could
I'm
not
sure
how
you
can
take
care
of
them
on
site
with
construction
going
on.
I.
E
E
A
So
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
to
follow
up
with
is,
if
we
get
a
better
understanding
of,
like
are
the
mangroves
that
are
there.
The
intent
is
to
replace
them
with
the
same
mangroves
that
were
there
or
are
we
replanting
with
tiny
little
baby
plants
that
are
going
to
take
20
years
to
mature?
Oh.
A
I
I
So
it's
very
unlikely
that
they'll
be
going
out
at
the
same
time,
given
the
time
frame
of
funding
that
we're
going
for
with
this
okay,
the
county's
project
is
looking
to
go
to
bid
at
the
end
of
next
year,
and
but
this
is
this
is
going
to
take
several
years
to
get
the
funding
put
together,
especially
if
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
something
to
do
with
that
bridge
and
we're
talking
about
a
30
million
dollar
element
of
the
project
alone.
C
I
E
H
The
t-wall
and
the
gates
leading
to
the
private
docks,
who
has
a
responsibility
for
maintaining
those
and
are
they
always
closed?
Are
they
only
closed
when
we're
expecting
a
higher
tide,
and
what
is
the
accessibility
for
those
private
citizens
to
actually
be
able
to
engage
to
open
and
close
them
like?
I
just
I
guess
I
don't
understand
exactly
how
they
work.
L
Right
sure
so
so
they
would,
they
would
always
be
in
place,
they
would
be,
they
would
be
spring-loaded
so
that
they
would
always
shut
closed
unless
somebody
intentionally
put
something
there
to
stop
it,
but
the
intention
would
be
to
always
be
closed
so
that
there
was
never
the
sea
wouldn't
have
to
go
out
and
and
closed
them
before
our
storm
event.
As
long
as
residents
didn't
prop
them
open
with
a
rock
or
something-
and
I
guess
the
city
would
be
responsible
for
maintaining
the
gates.
Okay,.
H
L
Right
I
mean
I
don't
my
I'm
saying
is
that
they
would
not
be
locked
that
they
would
always
be
able
to
be
opened,
and
so
so
kids
children
would
be
able
to
open
them.
But
I
mean
right
now:
they
have
the
same
access
to
those
docks,
there's
no
gates
in
front
of
those
existing
docks
right.
No,
okay!
Some
there
are
some
some
of
them
yeah,
so
the
ones
I
saw
down
in
the
south
end
they
were.
I
was
able
to
walk
out
and
take
pictures
from
this
water
side
there.
E
E
H
G
L
Gate
wouldn't
be
concrete;
no,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
a
steel
water
tank
where
to
take
it,
but
it
wouldn't
be
something
that
it
wouldn't
be
something
that
someone
couldn't
easily
open.
It
would
be
spring
spring-loaded
to
make
sure
it
stays
closed.
L
E
F
L
I
was
gonna
say
I
have.
I
have
a
marinas,
but
that's
not
in
the
flood
setting.
I
guess
I
guess
I
haven't
personally
I'm
sure
there's
been
floodgate
systems
that
I've
been
part
of.
I
haven't
just
designed
one
with
the
floodgate
before,
but
it's
definitely
it's
definitely
possible
feasible.
It's
not
it's
not
that
ordinary.
All.
F
L
H
To
conceptualize
what
what
that
will
look
like
when
there
is
a
higher
tide-
and
you
know
those
gates
are
closing
that
would
then
prohibit
a
homeowner
to
access
that
private
dock.
So
then
they're
they're
limited
as
to
when
they
can
actually
get
out
on
their
dock
and
what
have
you?
How
often,
how
many
times
a
year
do
you
anticipate
that
those
gates
would
be
closed
to
the
point
where
somebody
wouldn't
be
able
to
access
their
their
dock
in
their
boat.
L
Right
I
mean
I
I
I
do
know
that
there
is
regular
flooding
and
we
can
buy
you.
I
guess
to
get
up
to
the
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
of
the
gates.
I
mean
at
the
bottom
of
the
wall.
That
probably
could
happen
several
several
times
a
year.
I
think.
E
E
H
Water
access
for
the
ability
to
access
the
water,
so
I'm
just
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
I
know
I'm
kind
of
reaching
at
this
concept,
maybe
a
little
bit
differently,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
all
the
options
are,
but
then
also
what
all
the
the
you
know,
the
things
that
may
come
up
where
I'm
kind
of
thinking
I'd
be.
I
would
be
frustrated
if
this
is
what
was
happening,
because
it's
not
what
I
signed
up
for.
L
This
was
just
a
alternatives
and
disadvantages
slides
a
few
of
them.
I
have
already
mentioned
for
each
one,
so
we
listed
in
our
report
the
alternatives
and
advances
and
disadvantages
for
each
of
the
systems.
L
L
You
know
the
hybrid
system,
taking
advantage
of
the
right
of
way
widths
of
both
earth,
berm
and
t
wall
systems-
some,
I
guess,
disadvantages.
That
also
is
the
impacts
to
mangroves,
to
the
the
earth
berm
option
and,
and
also
you
know,
the
blocking
the
views
I
like
the
t
wall
being
maybe
less
aesthetic
aesthetically
pleasing
to
residents.
L
D
L
D
E
It
says
modified
to
proper
slope
position.
Are
you.
D
L
Right
so
the
the
t
wall
and
the
earth
berm
are
be
similar
that
there
would
be
openings
through
through
through
the
t-well
system
and
the
earth
berm
that
would
be
have
there'll,
be
pipes
through
them
and
with
the
backflow
preventers.
So
that
would
allow
the
the
the
water
would
only
be
able
to
go
out
after
the
flood
waters
went
down
so
that
we
wouldn't
so
as
a
flooding
came
in.
It
wouldn't
go
through
the
system
and
through
the
walls,
and
it's
flooded
the
road.
L
So
the
you
need
the
positive
drainage
to
go
back
out
to
the
to
the
bayou.
The
road
there
would
be
for
the
road
raising.
There
would
probably
be
a
swale
that
would
be
installed
in
the
water.
We
would
try
to
capture
the
water
there,
but
in
general,
just
like
the
road
now
it
would
be
sloped
down
to
slope
the
water
slipped
down
into
the
bayou
as
well.
L
D
L
Right
so
the
swell
would
be
on
the
inside
of
the
on
the
home
side
of
the
of
the
road
and
between
people's
driveways
and
between
roads.
It
would
just
be
a
could,
be
a
grass
depression
that
the
water
just
comes
in
there
and
and
fills
up,
and
then
it
would
be.
It
would
be
connected
to
a
system.
We
would
go
underneath
roads
with
culverts
pipes
and
and
and
then
be
directed
to
where,
wherever
you
want
it
to.
D
M
D
M
Is
if
there's
water
that
gets
trapped
on
the
residential
side,
just
as
a
result
of
the
weather
event,
where
there's
a
lot
of
rain?
Are
there
going
to
be
pumps
at
all
to
redirect
water
that
gets
trapped
and
and
stays
in
place
in
between
the
soil
and
the
homes.
L
Right
so
this
part
of
this
project,
we
don't
have
any
plans
for
installing
pumps
in
the
system.
I'm
not
sure.
I
just
said
you
ever
use
pumps,
no.
I
But
the
system
would
be
designed
so
that
if
the
swells
wouldn't
water
wouldn't
get
trapped,
it
would
drain
down
the
swales
into
the
collection
system.
As
he's
explaining
and
culverts
would
go
under
these
berms
at
the
right
low
points
where
we
can
consult
check
valves
so
that
the
water
can
only
go
out.
But
it
can't
come
back
in
good.
A
L
L
L
Sure
the
so
the
this
is
a
cost
estimate
slide
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you
some
of
the
ranges
of
the
costs
that
we
have
have
for
the
cons
for
cons
at
the
conceptual
level
and
so
for
the
one
concrete
t-wall
just
for
the
t-wall
system,
all
around
the
bayou
we're
looking
at
between
10
million
to
15
million
dollars
alternative
to
the
road,
raising
that's
the
most
most
expensive
of
the
options,
we're
looking
at
like
11.6
to
18.1
million
as
the
range
alternative.
L
Three
the
earth
berm
looking
at
a
range
of
about
5
million
to
7.5
million.
So
that's
the
lowest
cost
option
and
then
the
the
hybrid
option
is
the
cross
between
the
earth,
berm
and
the
t
wall.
So
it's
between
those
costs
and
that
we
came
up
with
7.3
to
11.4
million
and
then
the
part
of
the
of
each
one
of
those
that
would
is
the
gate
that
needs
to
protect
the
canals
in
the
southeast
corner.
L
And
so
right
now
we
have
estimated
the
the
barge
gate,
which
is
a
very
expensive
structure
and
that's
anywhere
between
24
23
and
41
million.
But
that's
why
we
do
need
to
still
look
into
maybe
the
possibility
of
combining
that
slide
gate
alternative
with
maybe
replacing
the
bridge
there
to
the
south.
I
mean
that
might
be
we're
going
to
look
at
the
option
and
make
sure
we
include
that
in
our
final
report.
E
So
my
view
when
I
looked
at
this
earlier,
is
the
costs:
aren't
that
much
different
and
I
don't
really
care
my
view
would
be
do
the
project
that
works
the
best
and
that
you
know
addresses
all
the
issues
because
a
billion
I
mean
it's
a
million
dollars
here
or.
E
But
really
in
the
long
term
and
there's
a
lot
of
money
out
there,
this
document
that
was
sent
out-
I
guess
you
sent
this
out
about
all
the
funding-
was
just
wonderful.
E
It
really
was
informative
and
so
clear,
so
there's
a
lot
of
money
out
there,
and
so
I
think
that
for
the
city
and
for
the
future
of
the
city,
you
know
if
this
really
works,
then
we
can
use
it
in
other
places
that
that
would
be
my
priority.
Look
at
what
works
best
and
addresses
all
the
issues.
L
D
D
J
Perfect
segway
for
sure
just
want
to
be
clear
right,
we're
good
for
me
to
spend
a
few
time
a
little
bit
of
time
on
these
slides.
We
only
have
like
four
more
left,
but.
J
Right
I'll,
try
my
best
to
get
through
them
quickly,
so
first
caveat
or
first
disclaimer
is
that
this
is
not
a
comprehensive
overview
of
all
the
potential
fund
streams
at
the
state
and
federal
level.
But
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
things
that
we
think
would
be
good
for
our
discussion
during
this
meeting.
So
first
one
just
getting
a
snapshot
of
the
current
federal
funding
landscape,
and
this
is
relation
to
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
that
was
recently
enacted.
J
J
Especially
the
dmt,
the
biggest.
J
See
right
here
is
for
transportation,
and
I
know
paul
alluded
to
this,
potentially
as
taking
different
segments
or
components
of
the
the
project
and
looking
for
different
fundamentals
such
as
those
that
are
related
to
rows
and
bridges.
There
are
some
programs
under
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
that
could
be
potentially
something
that
we
can
look
into
to
fund
those
components
of
the
projects.
There
was
one
that
was
administered
by
dlt
usdot,
which
is
called
the
raise
ground
program,
but
unfortunately,
that's
closed.
Now.
J
However,
under
this
law,
dot
is
also
going
to
be
administering
a
program
that
should
be
coming
out.
Soonish
called
the
protect
program,
so
that's
promoting
resilient
operations
for
transformative,
efficient
and
cost
saving
transportation,
protect
it's
a
multiple,
but
basically
that
looks
at
transportation
and
infrastructure,
transportation,
infrastructure
related
projects,
especially
those
that
are
touch
coastal
infrastructure
and
regions
that
can
bring
in
have
a
component
with
natural
systems
and
infrastructure.
J
Surface
transportation.
Assets
are
eligible
for
wars,
azer,
bridges,
bridges,
etc,
and
especially
those
that
focus
on
resilience
in
the
face
of
natural
disasters
and
sea
level
rise.
So,
basically,
tarpon
springs
which
combine
storm
surge,
sea
level
rise,
etc.
Could
be
a
potential
fit
for
for
some
of
the
transportation
elements
of
this
project?
However,
there's
not
a
lot
of
guidance
on
this
yet,
and
the
no
fo
notice,
a
funding
opportunity
hasn't
been.
J
Could
be
funded
through
the
bipartisan
bipartisan.
J
Law
as
well
all
right,
so
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
dive
over
to
the
state
funding
landscape.
The
biggest
elephant
in
the
room
right
now
is
the
resilient
florida
program.
So
that
is
a
mixture
of
different
federal
funding
sources
that
have
been
given
to
the
state,
such
as
arpa
funds.
I
think
they
may
be
some
cbpg,
some
hud
funds
mixed
up
in
there
as
well,
but
basically
through
this
program-
and
this
is
the
we're
going
into
the
second
year
of
it
now
and
it's
administered
by
the
florida.
J
It
is
for
providing
grants
and
planning
and
implementation.
So
for
construction
of
these
projects
for
things
that
deal
with
flooding
and
sea
level
rise
throughout
the
state
they
allocated.
G
J
J
This
is
that
these
funds
have
to
be
encumbered
by
2024.
J
This
is
currently
a
program,
that's
being
administered
under
the
current
administration
for
the
state,
so
we
expect
that
it
may
last
beyond
that,
because
it's
a
very
popular
program,
but
for
right
now,
it's
tied
to
this
current
administration
should
another
key
component
of
this
is
that
a
vulnerability
assessment
has
to
be
done
first
to
access
more
of
that
funding,
especially
for
implementation-
and
I
know
that's
something
that
tarpon
springs
is
getting
underway
right
now,
but
if
we,
for
example,
look
to
apply
for
something
in
early
2023,
then
that
should
fit
well
with
the
with
the
the
peer
that
this
needs
to
be
encumbered,
for
there
is
also
a
related
program,
also
administered
by
the
dep,
which
is
the
florida
brazilian
coastlines
program.
J
E
J
On
natural
systems,
nature-based
solutions
and
infrastructure
such
as
living
shorelines
a
little
bit
further
away
from
the
heart
infrastructure
of
brazilian
florida.
J
All
right
so
current
from
the
landscape,
what
we
tried
to
do
here
was
look
at
a
few
of
the
federal
programs
and
also
resilient
florida.
Look
at
some
of
the
components
of
the
whitcomb
bio
project.
Again,
you
know
we're
going
to
refine
this
over
time
or
the
city
is
going
to
refine
this
over
time,
especially
around
that
hybrid,
potentially.
J
J
The
fema's
hazard
mitigation
grant
program
seems
a
really
good
fit
for
this
project.
The
caveat
here
is
that
there
needs
to
be
a
federal
presidential
declaration
of
disaster
for
that
funding
stream
to
be
opened
up.
Currently
there
isn't
one,
usually
these
are
tied
to
things
like
hurricanes,
but
the
pandemic.
J
J
Is
that
there's
a
lot
more
and
this
actually
may
be
changing,
but
as
it
currently
stands,
there's
a
lot
more
authority
at
the
state
level
to
determine,
and
actually
at
the
company
level,
first
in
terms
of
prioritization,
but
ultimately
at
the
state
level
to
determine
which
projects
are
recommended
for
funding
I'll
quickly
switch
over
to
brick,
which
is
another
fema
administer
program
which
stands
for
the
building,
resilient
infrastructure
and
communities
program.
This
has
been
the
new
shiny
object
over
the
last
two
years.
This
is
the
second
year
of
this
program.
J
We
think
some
elements
of
this
project
align
really
well
with
brick,
especially
the
living
shoreline
components,
nature
based
solutions
about
80
of
brick
funded
projects
in
his
first,
the
first
cycle,
the
first
year
cycle
had
a
pretty
robust
natural
system,
nature-based
solutions
component.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
think
could
be
a
potential
disadvantage,
for
this
is
that
risk
reduction
is
a
high
scoring
component.
So
how
what
are
you
protecting
to
and,
as
we
said,
this
project
is
looking
at
the
tenure
so
level.
J
Most
of
the
successfully
funded
brick
projects
do
have
that
deal
with
flooding
have
been
looking
at
the
100
year
or
more
again,
feasibility
for
this
area
to
go
to
that
level
when
we're
looking
at
cost
effectiveness
and
we're
also
looking
at
how
the
bayou
is
used
and
enjoyed,
it
probably
is
not
a
good
fit
the
best
fit
for
brick.
J
In
addition,
brick
is
really
really
really
competitive,
so,
for
example,
for
in
the
first
service
program
of
this
program
last
year
there
were
over
4
billion
dollars
in
applications
and
about
one
billion
were
funded.
Hundreds.
J
And
only
22
projects
were
funded
nationwide
under
this,
so
brick.
G
J
G
Addition,
brick.
J
Scores
very
highly
on
disadvantaged
communities
receiving
some
of
those
benefits.
There's
also,
president
biden
has
signed
something
into
lana,
which
is
called
the
justice
40
program,
which
says
that
I
believe
it
is
40
of
overall
benefits
from
federal
spending
into
things
like
such
as
grants
like
this
have
to
be
conveyed
to
disadvantaged
communities,
and
there
is
a
census
tract
that
they
use
for
that.
That
pertains
to
brick
as
well,
and,
unfortunately,
the
project
area,
the
scent
that
would
come
by
falls
into
that
census
tract
is
outside
of
the
disadvantaged
community.
J
However,
there
is
one
right
next
to
it
immediately
to
the
east.
We
could
you
know,
we've
done
a
lot
of
we've
actually
had
quite
a
bit
of
success
with
brick
in
this
two
years,
actually
of
those
22
projects.
I
think
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
I
think
it
was
about
13
were
arcades
planned,
so
been
pretty
successful
with
break
so
far,
however,
I
mean
we
could
get.
J
You
know
really
tell
a
good
story
of
how
it
could
benefit
one
of
the
receiving
areas,
surrounded
it
badges
communities,
but
just
being
upfront
that
these
are
potential
pitfalls.
When
looking
for
brick,
competitiveness
of
it
that
we're
not
protecting
to
a
very
high
level
and
then
also,
unfortunately,
the
the
the
bio
itself
does
not
fall
into
one
of
the
census
tracts
that
will
become
the
best
disadvantage.
J
Hmgp
and
brick
both
require
a
benefit
cost
analysis,
so
that
is
to
show
that
the
benefits
of
the
project,
so
that
looks
at
damage
reductions
that
looks
at
environmental
benefits,
socioeconomic
benefits,
etc
outweigh
the
costs
and
the
ratio
of
benefits
the
cost
needs
to
be
above
one,
and
then
there
is
a
methodology,
benefit
calls
analysis
methodology,
that's
prescribed
by
fema.
J
Input
all
the
benefits
and
the
costs
to
get
that
cost
effective
score.
You
have
to
have
one
to
be
eligible.
We've
done
some
johnny.
A
A
J
Yes,
I'll
quickly
go
for
it
brazilian
florida.
We
think
this
is
a
really
good
program
for
for
this
project,
but
that
vulnerability
assessment
needs
to
be
completed
first,
so
I
think
this
is
actually
the
last
size,
so
we.
J
Recommendations
that
we
can
make
here
for
the
city,
the
first
thing
is
that
vulnerability
assessment
needs
to
be
completed
because
that's
going
to
open
up
more
of
that
state
funding,
it's
there's
a
high
success
rate.
So
far
in
terms
of
applicants,
the
state
is
flush
with
money
for
this
program,
so
there's
a
good
possibility
that
you
will
receive
some
level
of
funding
through
that
once
that
is
completed
again
break,
probably
not
the
best
fit
for
this
fall
cycle.
However,
I
mean
the
city
could
put
forth
an
application.
J
One
thing
that
we
with
flag
is
that
brick
and
hmgp
applications
are
really
really
similar.
So
say
you
did
an
application
for
a
break
for
the
brick
cycle
even
going
into
it,
knowing
that
there
isn't
there's
some
likelihood
of
not
being
as
competitive
as
possible.
That
can
also
be
translated
to
an
hmgp
application.
Unfortunately,
though,
we
have
to
wait
for
the
disaster,
the
good
thing
or
bad
thing,
depending
on
how
you
look
on.
J
It
is
a
pretty
good
possibility
that,
maybe
even
as
early
as
the
summer
that
we're
in
if
there
isn't
just
takes
one,
if
there's
a
hurricane,
that
could
open
up
some
some
hmgd-
let's
hope
not
yeah,
okay,
that
a
declaration
also
could
open
up
hud
funding
in
the
cdbg
community
development
block,
grant
and
disaster
reduction
and
also
mitigation
grant
programs.
I
J
Happens:
we're
ready
for
that
for
to
plug
into
those
applications.
Another
fema
program
very
quickly
is
the
flood
mitigation
assistance
program.
Typically,
this
looks
at
individual
structure
and
property
mitigation,
so
we're
talking
about
buying
out
homes,
elevating
homes,
etcetera.
However,
there
is
a
component
for
community
flood
mitigation
projects.
So
something
like
this
one
of
the
things.
G
B
J
We're
helping
out
the
city
of
saint
pete,
one
of
their
very
vulnerable
neighborhoods
of
shore
acres
with
fma
assistance,
but.
J
That
community
we're
looking
more
at
the
individual
property
level
as
opposed
to
the
community
flood
mitigation
program.
One
problem
with
for
this
project
is
if
we
looked
at
homes
first
or
structures
first,
and
that
would
remove
more
of
the
remove
these
homes
out
of
the
floodplain
and
then
also
affect
that
whole
benefit
cost
ratio,
because
we
will
be
protecting
less
in
other
words,
but
we
do
think
that
fma
could
be
a
good
source
for
this.
J
J
So
a
few
other
broader
recommendations
for
these
programs
again
at
the
state
level
finish
that
vulnerability
assessment
continue
to
evaluate
these
federal
funding
sources,
potentially
be
ready
for
break,
but
with
hmgp
and
cdbg
in
mind.
Should
a
disaster
hit
assess
fma's
applicability
to
this
project
for
the
community
flood-based
community
flood
mitigation
projects
that
are
eligible,
it's
helpful
again
to
maybe
advance
design
and
refinement
of
the
selected
alternative
when
we
get
to
that.
J
So
when
these
disasters
hit,
we
can
plug
those
in
and
be
ready
to
go
and
then
also
the
county
is
obviously
a
very
key
partner,
not
just
from
funding
but
for
advancing
this
project
in
general
and
then
continue
to
track
these
funding
sources.
Everything
that
I
listed
here
on
this
page,
but
also
some
of
those
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
funding
that
we
should
be
expecting
some
guidance
about,
especially
those
to
do
with
transportation.
So
in
the
interest
of
time
spread
through
that-
and
I
think
that
is
about
all
right.
J
We
are
not
involved,
that's
a
question
for
the
city.
I
believe
it
may
have
just
kicked
off.
Is
that
correct.
G
Yeah,
we
just
got
an
award
from
the
state
what
about
two
months
ago,
even
less
so
we've
been
waiting
for
this
for
some
time.
We've
got
our
consultant
ready
to
go
so
he's
just
finalizing
his
scope
that
he's
already
written
and
we
can
get
started.
G
J
That's
a
fair
statement,
however:
the
more
pieces
that
you
have
in
place
already
will
make
your
federal
applications
more
competitive,
such
as
a
va.
Yes,.
D
Johnny,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
most
thorough
evaluation
and
description
of
of
federal
and
state
funding.
I've
ever
seen
in
three
minutes.
D
Yeah,
it's
great
looking
in
the
appendix
on
the
benefit
cost
analyses.
It
looks
like
the
berm
comes
in
at
0.87,
the
road
at
0.72
and
the
t
wall
of
0.75.
None
of
them
are
greater
than
1.0.
Is
that
a
problem
right.
J
No,
it's
not
a
problem,
so
we
don't
have
all
the
data
that
we
would
have
put
into
an
actual
benefit
cost
analysis.
This
was
but
so
this
is
something
that
we
discussed
before
in
the
interest
of
time
to
make
a
long
story
short.
There
are
different
ways
that
we
can.
We
can
get
that
to
one
and
we're
pretty
confident
we
can
do
so,
especially
for
the
berm
and
a
hybrid
option.
Well,
all.
B
J
The
transportation
one,
the
strict
road
raising
might
be
a
little
bit
more
challenging,
but
we
don't
anticipate
getting
to
a
ratio
of
one
or
above
being
an
issue.
A
Any
other
questions
I
just
I'd
like
to
say
that,
like
we're,
not
gonna
give
a
recommendation
of
which
particular
one
to
the
boc,
this
was
just
for
our
information
to
understand
the
process,
because
I
don't,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
that
as.
D
Just
throw
this
out
they've
taken
the
time
to
give
us
two
presentations
and
they've
had
a
fairly
sophisticated
community
outreach
in
the
interim.
Wouldn't
it
be
appropriate
for
our
committee
to
give
our
blessing
to
some
aspect.
Of
this
I
mean
it's
pretty
thorough
stuff.
D
I
move
just
for
the
sake
of
discussion.
I
move
that
we
propose
to
the
boc
that
the
our
recommendation
is
the
raised
berm
and
as
an
alternative.
If
the
raised
berm
is
not
feasible
for
and
for
any
reason,
including
excess
mangrove
disruption,
that
a
hybrid
system
is
our
second
choice.
A
Okay
hearing
none,
the
motion
fails,
so
I
would
like
to
just
go
ahead
and
thank
arcadis
and
and
team
for
presenting
us
with
this.
It's
a
lot
of
information
that
is
extremely
dense
to
to
get
through
and
we
need
to
make
some
tough
choices
as
a
community,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
have
consensus
on
like
what
we
would
see
as
a
as
a
choice.
That's
like
the
best
choice.
A
I
think
that
that's
for
the
boc
to
decide.
I
will
just
say
that
I,
in
terms
of
the
cost,
what
what
concerns
me
is
the
the
bridge
and
the
barge
construction,
adding
40
million
dollars
to
a
project
and
not
understanding
how
many
homes
are
going
to
be
impacted
and
cross
subsidization
of
everybody
in
the
community
paying
for
potentially,
I
don't
know,
20
40
homes
are
back
there.
A
I
think
that
that's
a
real
concern,
because
that's
a
significant
amount
of
money
that
adds
to
the
project,
and
so
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
really
thoughtfully
considered.
So.
E
I
also,
I
also
think
that
I
mean
to
make
a
decision
about
which
version
to
take.
I
mean
I
personally
would
have
a
lot
of
questions.
I
would
like
to
get
know
what
the
community
thought
and
what
preferences
other
people
have
raised
in
it.
E
I
That's
correct
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
a
moment.
I
wanted
to
say
two
things:
we
we
weren't
asking
we're
just
looking
for
your
feedback
today,
we're
asking
for
your
preference
or
a
vote
or
anything
like
that,
and
that
we
feel.
I
appreciate
the
feedback
from
this
committee
very
much.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
when
we
do
present
it
to
the
board,
we
hope
that
some
or
all
of
you
will
attend
and
give
your
opinion
as
well
dr
robertson
donnie.
Yes,
he
will
be
there.
I
Second
thing
I
wanted
to
say
to
mountain
chair
the
your
point
about
the
barge
only
protecting
those
certain
homes.
I
want
to
give
you
an
analogy
if
you
think
of
the
t-wall,
with
the
doors
and
somebody
left
the
door
open
that
and
you
had
a
flood
event,
that's
akin
to
what
we
would
be
having
if
we
didn't
do
anything
by
the
bridge.
It
affects
everyone,
because
you're
just
leaving
a
way
for
the
water
to
get
in
and
flood
the
entire
area.
So
it's
not
just
protecting
those
that
live
on
the
canal.
A
Of
that
is
that
makes
sense.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
but
I
guess
I'm
still
kind
of
wondering
if
there's
another
way
to
to
close
that
off,
that's
less
expensive,
because
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
that's
a
lot.
D
I
think
I
I
recall
that
that,
in
the
description
in
the
written
information,
an
alternative
that
preceded
the
floating
contraption,
you
know
was
to
require
that
everybody
raise
their
sea.
Walls
is
that
you
didn't
present
that
tonight,
but
is
that
considered
unlikely
to
happen?
Or
what
do
you
think.
B
I
B
I
They
can't
hear
me:
okay
thanks
so
anyway,
it
would
be
prohibitive
to
try
to
raise
and
require
those
without
setting
city
ordinances,
to
require
sea
walls
to
be
raised,
and
then
allowing
grandfathering
in
of
existing
sea
walls
so
that
when
they
have
to
get
replaced,
they
have
to
be
raised
a
certain
level.
I
think
it
would
be
much
more
difficult
to
require
private
seat
walls
to
be
increased.
M
N
I'm
catherine
hartley
with
banished
formerly
tyndale
oliver.
You
may
remember
me
from
your
february
workshop.
I
see
some
familiar
faces
if
you
all
came
to
the
workshops
that
we
had
several
months
ago,
we're
here
to
move
on
to
the
next
step
in
the
process.
N
That
you
either
have
already
taken
and
will
turn
into
the
staff,
or
are
they
allowed
to
do
it
and
bring
it
back
to
you?
Do
you
want
them
to
clean
it
tonight.
N
So,
if
you'll
do
that
this
evening,
give
it
back
it
most
importantly
has
to
have
your
name
on
it,
because
they
are
recording
your
answer
as
a
vote
essentially
right,
so
make
sure
that
your
names
are
on
the
sheet
when
you
give
it
back.
I
do
want
to
just
walk
you
through
the
information
when
we
were
putting
together
this
material.
N
Not
only
were
we
going
through
your
existing
comprehensive
plan
and
all
the
data
and
analysis-
that's
that's
already
out
there,
but
also
we,
you
know
we're
given
a
copy
of
your
star
framework,
the
matrix
that
you
all
put
together
and,
as
you
know,
the
comprehensive
plan
is
what
controls
your
built
environment
in
the
city
right
and
how
you
grow
into
your
future,
your
desired
future,
and
so
in
taking
the
built
environment,
portions
of
the
matrix
that
you
all
put
together.
N
That's
what
fed
into
a
lot
of
the
materials
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
tonight
and
what
we're
trying
to
frame
your
comprehensive
plan,
update
around
sustainability
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
important
to
you.
At
least
what
I
read.
What
we
read
were
things
like
context,
sensitive
infill,
infill,
walkability,
bikeability,
being
compact,
having
access
to
transit,
having
access
to
shopping
jobs
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
I
want
to
walk
through
some
of
this
material
with
you.
N
N
If
you
go,
if
you
look
through
the
the
maps
that
you
have
in
front
of
you,
you've
got
two
land
use
maps
on
the
very
first
page.
On
the
left
hand,
side
is
your
city's
future
land
use
map?
That's
your
vision
for
growth
for
the
future
and,
of
course,
in
florida
the
future
is
now
right.
We're
constantly
growing.
A
lot
of
people
are
moving
here
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
page
is
what
we
did
was
we
took
the
county-wide
land
use
map
and
that's
like
a
different
set
of
controls.
N
So
when
you
want
to
make
changes
to
your
map,
it
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
county-wide
map.
It
goes
through
a
hearing
process
with
fort
pinellas
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
we
took
a
look
at
the
opportunities
on
their
map
to
say:
okay,
where
have
they
already
accommodated
for
growth
in
the
city
and
where,
where
are
those
places
that
we
could
make
changes
on
your
land
use
plan
in
your
land
use
plan
that
wouldn't
take
extra
effort?
N
As
far
as
a
public
hearing,
it's
like
a
separate
process,
it's
an
easier
process
to
go
through,
and
so
the
area
that's
in
darker
green
on
that
map
is
like
the
highest
area
where
you
could
increase
density.
If
you
wanted
to
not
that
you
have
to
if
you
wanted
to,
but
we
also
took
into
account
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
which
under
florida
law
is
the
area
that
could
be
inundated
by
a
category
one
storm.
N
You
are
in
a
good
position
in
that
you,
you
accommodated
your
growth
a
long
time
ago,
your
anticipated
growth,
you
didn't
grow
as
fast
as
what
the
state
estimates
were.
So
you've
got
potable
water
availability.
You
have
sewer
availability,
you've
got
land
availability.
Strangely
enough,
I
know
I
hear
the
term
built
out
all
the
time
in
pinellas
county,
but
I
keep
joking.
You
know
I
think
pete
said
that
about
itself
in
like
1996
and
look
at
st
pete,
you
have
some
room
to
grow,
so
you
don't
have
to
make
changes
to
your
land
use
plan.
N
The
the
other
good
news
about
your
community-
and
this
is
not
true
for
a
lot
of
places-
is
that
you
have
very
good
connectivity.
You've
got
a
pretty
good
grid,
even
though
you've
got
a
lot
of
water
to
work
around
right.
You
still
have
a
walkable
core
and
you
have
very
good
sidewalk
connectivity
and
so
the
the
second
set
of
maps
on
the
transportation
connections.
N
N
Everything
is
on
the
connect
parkman
site,
and
not
only
is
it
mapping
your
existing
conditions,
but
it
al
also.
We
pulled
data
from
other
plans,
so
if
there's
a
there
was
a
county
facility
planned
or
something
by
fdot,
whatever
it's
also
plugged
into
this
to
this
map
series,
so
you
can
see
what
was
the
what
is
planned
for
the
future,
some
in
some
way
shape
or
another.
N
We
also
put
together
a
safety
map
for
you.
You
can
see
on
the
third
maps
on
it's
called
board
c,
so
we
had
these
actually
at
the
engagement
that
we
had
a
few
weeks
ago,
giant
boards
around
the
room.
So
that's
why
they're
labeled
the
way
they
are
incidences
of
crashes,
so
pedestrian
vehicle,
bicycle
crashes,
I'm
going
to
try
and
go
quickly.
I
know
we're
kind
of
on
a
time
constraint
here.
Your
exercise
for
tonight
is
so.
N
If
you
take
a
look
at
this
map,
we
broke
down
the
city
into
chunks,
right,
a
b,
c
d
and
e
so
that
you
could
kind
of
take
some
stickers
and
if
there
are
places
in
the
city
where
you
want
to
see
more
of
something
or
something
new.
As
far
as
infill
development,
you
can
tell
us
where
those
things
are
going
to
where
you
would
like
to
see
those,
and
we
may
have
to
make
adjustments
to
your
comprehensive
plan
in
order
to
accommodate
those
things.
N
So
we
gave
you
some
examples
of
some
different
housing
and
commercial
types
on
this
page,
just
lots
of
pictures.
I
know
yeah
and
they're
also
on
this
page,
so
they're
zoomed
a
little
bit
and
you
can
see
them
a
little
better.
Can.
D
Residential,
the
very
first
group
of
pictures,
says
accessory
dwelling
unit.
What.
N
N
D
N
N
N
That's
the
public
hearing
term
for
duplex,
so
what
I
have
found
working
as
a
local
government
planner
for
most
of
my
career,
was
that
it's
actually
becoming
a
very
popular
development
type
right
now,
because
you
can
put
two
houses
on
one
single
family
lot,
but
the
term
duplex.
For
some
reason
it
has
a
stigma
to
it
and
so
and.
N
You
tell
me
I
don't
know
so
it's
kind
of
a
it's,
it's
a
it's
a,
not
very
funny
joke,
but
in
any
event
it's
it's
simply
attached
single
family.
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
get
around
down
to
it
for
building
code
purposes
as
well.
Two
houses
stuck
together,
it's
the
same
as
a
single
family
house.
According
to
the
building
code,
you
don't
have
to
provide
sprinklers,
so
it's
cheaper
to
build
it's
a
two
for
one
special,
essentially
on
a
single
family
lot.
N
They're
single-family
houses
on
an
oversized
lot,
usually
around
half
an
acre
or
so
four
five,
six,
seven
little
houses
and
they
face
a
little
central
green.
It
is
a
higher
density
product.
I
hate
using
the
word
product
because
it
sounds
like
you're
putting
like
face
cream.
It's
higher
density
housing,
that's
still
single
family,
it's
it's
not
as
scary
to
people,
but
the
numbers
are
actually
high
when
you
just
work
it
out
on
a
per
unit
on
a
piece
of
dirt.
N
I
have
done
one
affordable
so
when
I
used
to
be
the
planning
director
for
the
city
of
bradenton.
B
N
We
did
have
an
affordable
housing
developer,
come
in
and
do
a
cottage
court.
It
was
mostly
the
folks
that
were
buying
them
were
school
board
teachers,
so
they
were
on
the
higher
end
of
the
affordable
housing
spectrum.
It
was
like
80
to
120
percent
of
the
area,
median
income,
so
40
to
50
000
income,
but
still
considered
affordable
for
that
purpose,
and
they
did
get
some
incentives
from
the
city.
N
But
yes,
so
these
are
just
they're
all
different
housing
types
that
you
may
have
to
adjust
your
numbers
for
and
if
there
are
places
in
the
city
where
you
think
that
stuff
should
go
or
could
go,
that's
what
the
little
exercise
is
for.
So
you
tell
me
where
that
stuff
should
go
and
the
same
thing
for
commercial.
N
B
K
Yeah
and
you
can
participate
as
a
member
of
each
committee
or
board.
E
F
B
F
N
Judgment
we
are
not
going
to
be
picking
on
you,
we
just
they
just
need
to
record
it
for
public
records,
I'm
not
going
to
pick
on
you
either
way
any
any
which
way
so
in
any
event,
corner
stores,
pop-up,
retail
or
whatever
commercial
accessory
commercial
unit.
That
is
something
that's
sort
of
trendy
right
now,
especially
in
places
like
portland.
Where
you
add
a
commercial
use
to
the
front
of
of
your
home.
N
Live
work
is
a
thing.
That's
a
specific
building
type
under
the
building
code.
That
has
to
be
more
residential
square
footage
than
then
commercial,
and
you
literally
live
where
you
work
like
that.
Is
your
residence
and
you
work
there,
but
mixed
use
is
a
different
thing.
You
have
a
business
on
top
and
then
residential
above
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
a
traditional
conventional
shopping
center.
Maybe
you
want
more
of
that,
and
maybe
there
are
numbers
that
we
have
to
adjust
in
your
plan
to
allow
some
more
commercial
infill.
E
E
K
E
L
L
A
E
D
N
So,
on
the
right
hand,
side,
the
blue
is
just
show-
is
like
an
overlay
showing
where
your
coastal
high
hazard
area
is
so
maybe
that's
an
area
you
want
to
plan
around
the
the
different
colors,
so
the
deeper
the
color,
the
more
opportunity
you
have
with
less
red
tape
is
really
where
what
that's
getting
at
so
the
dark
green
area.
You
have
an
opportunity,
under
the
county-wide
map,
to
increase
your
density
locally
without
going
through
a
whole
lot
of
headache.
D
The
yellow
area
along
north
florida
avenue
fairly
wide
open
in
terms
of
density,
correct,
oh.
N
D
D
A
So
how
long,
how
long
do
we
have
to
do
this
exercise.
N
N
You
have
I
mean
the
the
most
important
thing
is:
is
that
the
staff
get
your
answers
back
and
they
get
your
answers
back
with
your
name
on
them:
okay,
because
you're
acting
as
a
group,
but
you
can't
act
out
as
a
group
outside
of
the
sunshine
right,
so
you
aren't
able
to
coordinate
outside
of
this
room,
so
we're
kind
of
on
an
honor
system
here.
But
you
do
have
a
lot
I
mean
I
realize
it
is
a
lot
of
material
for
a
short
period
of
time.
N
K
It
doesn't
even
have
to
be
tomorrow,
necessarily,
let's
say
if
we
can
get
it
back
to
us
by
next
friday,
because
I
I
you
know,
I
gave
it
to
you
in
advance
and
I
knew
all
of
you
were
going
to
read
every
word
of
what
was
in
your
packet.
K
K
Okay,
well
see:
that's
that's!
Why
we're
that's
great,
that's
good!
That's
why
we're
here!
So
if
you
have
questions
about
anything
that
was
in
your
packet,
if
you
have
questions
that
you
need
to
ask
staff
or
the
consultant
to
help,
you
figure
out
how
you're
going
to
fill
out
all
of
these
exercises.
That's
why
we're
here
so
we
can.
We
can
get
the
packets
later,
but
you're
all
pinky,
promising
you're
going
to
return
them
and
you're
not
going
to
talk
to
each
other
about
them
outside.
A
Okay,
so
I
have
another
couple
questions
yes,
so
for
is:
is
it
possible
when
you're
looking
at
adding
features
legally?
Can
you
do
it
in
an
area,
but
only
on
main
thoroughfare
roads?
Absolutely?
N
You
know
what
it's
to
me:
it's,
okay,
if
you
write,
take
a
pen
and
write
all
over
this,
I
mean
we.
We
let
people
do
that
at
the
at
the
workshop
as
well.
So
if
you
feel
like
you
want
to
write
stuff
down
on
on
your
little
map
and
stuff,
I
mean
there
was
a
front
and
back
for
people
to
be
able
to
write.
A
F
A
N
E
E
A
Okay,
so
back
to
the
corner
store,
because
I
had
that
in
the
back
up
as
I
was
trying
to
process,
I
think
it
was
like
little
monavies
or
produce
stands
was
in
the
same
category
as
like
a
gas
station.
A
E
E
D
Under
transportation
safety
looking
at
board
c,
if
I'm,
if
my
arithmetic
is
correct,
I
counted
16
accidents
or.
D
Fatalities
or
incapacitating
accidents
along
alternate
19.,
five
along
east
harpen
avenue
to
the
west
of
nineteen
four
on
keystone
road
and
about
eight
thousand
two
hundred
and
sixty-five
on
highway
19.
right.
What
are
what
are
the
discussions
regarding
highway
19
led
up
to
at
this
point
I
mean
well,
there
are
discussions
about.
N
I
have
that
broken
out
data
somewhere
they're,
all
of
the
above
so
bike
pad
bicycle
pedestrian
and
vehicle
crashes,
but
we
have
that
depre
that
data
separated
out
and
that
can
be
made
available
to
you.
I
may
be
able
to
look
it
up
real
quick.
If
I
can
keep,
I
keep
losing
my
connection
to
the
you.
L
D
The
you
know
the
patients
from
those
I
haven't
seen
much
in
the
way
of
vehicle
to
bicycle
crashes
and
not
much
in
the
way
of
pedestrian.
But
if
pedestrian
and
bicycle
is
an
issue
have
have
discussions
about
path,
you
know
bridges
or
tunnels
that
allow
people
to
safely
cross
highway.
18
19
been
discussed.
Is
that
even
there's.
K
Caroline
lanford
certified
transportation
planner.
The
reason
you
as
a
physician
did
not
see
cyclists
and
pedestrians
is
because
the
morgue
saw
them.
D
K
The
florida
department
of
transportation
is
kicking
off
design
for
u.s
19
in
our
neck
of
the
woods,
they're
starting
construction
to
the
south
of
us
this
year,
supposedly
and
so
design's
going
to
be
moving
forward,
and
we
would
like
very
much
to
partner
with
fdot
and
forward
pinellas
to
get
a
more
what
we
would
call
safe
a
safer
facility
than
what
we
have
now,
one
that
accommodates
transit
users,
because
that's
our
main
transit
route,
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
people
who
need
to
get
places.
Just
like
all
the
rest
of
us.
K
I
do
know
that
the
latest
design
they
did.
They
were
supposed
to
be
putting
in
pedestrian
crossings
every
quarter
of
a
mile.
They
didn't
quite
get
there,
but
they
did
get
to
about
a
third
of
a
mile.
So.
M
K
Yes,
so
for
the
latest
design
that
they
did
to
the
south
of
us,
I
believe
those
are
all
going
to
be
they
being
a
florida
department
of
transportation,
they're,
they're,
underpasses,
okay,.
N
Interestingly
and
sadly,
your
mpo
director
has
been
hit
on
his
bicycle
twice
in
pinellas
county
in
his
career.
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
serious
issue
and
and
us
19
in
particular,
I
mean
it's
not
unlike
anywhere
else
in
florida,
though
it's
a
it's
a
deadly
road
and
it
bisects
your
community
and
it's
also
your
major
transit
route
and
you've
got
a
lot
of
things
that
are
that
are
in
conflict
there
and,
and
so
the
question
for
every
community
is
how
do
you
balance
the
need
to
move
people
and
goods
with
safety?
N
And
it's
always
going
to
be
something
you'll
wrestle
with
there's
no
quick
fix.
There's
no
pedestrian
overpass!
It's
going
to
be
the
the
end-all
be-all
to
your
solution
to
your
the
solution
to
your
problem,
but
there
are
design
things
that
you
can
do
and
there's
offering
people
options
is
one
of
the
easiest
things
that
you
can
do
and
that's
and
the
options
are
being
able
to
live
and
work
within
walking
distance
or
biking
distance
and
not
having
to
get
on
that
facility
at
all.
N
N
So
those
are
just
all
things
you're
going
to
wrestle
with,
and
you
know,
but
the
one
thing
that
you
can
do-
and
this
is
not
part
of
my
scope.
But
it's
something
for
you
to
keep
in
mind.
N
There
is
a
very
obscure
part
of
florida
statute
that
basically
pushes
fdot
to
look
more
closely
at
your
comprehensive
plan
and
what
you
want
for
your
future,
if
you,
if
you
put
in
an
optional
design
element,
it's
like
this
one
weird
thing
in
statute,
but
it
does
make
a
difference
and
they
do
have
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
attention
to
what
you
want,
but
that
that
is
outside
my
scope
of
work,
but
something
for
you
to
think
about
as
you
move
through
the
process
and
think
more
along
the
lines
of
what
you
want
out
of
your
state
roads.
B
N
They've
also
done
excellent
work
with
design
over
since
the
70s
I
mean
you
know
it.
The
netherlands
didn't
look
much
different
than
the
united
states
back
in
the
70s,
but
they've
just
made
huge
strides
in
their
infrastructure.
It's
amazing!
If
you
go,
look
at
you,
know
video
and
and
photos
back
from
the
70s
you'd
think
you
were
in
the
united
states,
but
it's
incredible.
What
they've
done
now.
N
E
E
E
E
The
yacht
club
bridge
and
I
like
to
ride
my
bicycle,
but
I
don't
because
to
get
to
the
bike.
Trail
is
really
scary,
and
I
know
that
in
order
to
they're
trying
to
widen
that
road
and
they
put
these
stakes
in
people's
yards,
which
is
going
to
like
make
their
houses
like
next
to
the
road
or
something
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
much.
E
K
G
K
Think
it's
bored
see
no
where's
our
transportation,
oh
board
b,
right
yeah,
so
we've
had
plans
for
a
community
trail
around
the
bayou
for
probably
longer
than
I've
been
alive
and
it
just
has
never
materialized.
Because
there's
you
know
with
in
the
area
you're
talking
about
there's.
You
know
beckett
bridge
and
it's
narrow
and.
K
Not
certainly
not
those
streets,
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
would
be
to
try
and
find
alternative
routes
on
lower
capacity
streets.
You
know
more
local
streets
where
we
could
have.
K
I
mean
you
do
have
what
we
call
a
pinch
point
there.
So
you'd
kind
of
have
to
go
around
in
some
cases,
and
I
know
I
I
feel
you,
but
if
you
do
look
on
this
board
b,
if
were
we
to
have
the
the
proposed
trails
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time,
you
would
you
would
have
a
way
to
do
that.
E
K
So
it's
it's
about
prioritizing
and
really
one
of
the
focuses
that
learn
that
the
mpo
and
fdot
have
been
looking
on.
Is
this
concept
of
redundancies
and
having
alternate
routes
so
that
people
can,
for
instance,
as
we
were
discussing
us19
you
know,
I
don't
want
really
anybody
riding
their
bike
on
us19
as
it
is
right
now.
So
if
we
could
have
parallel
routes
that
were
safe,
maybe
they
would
only
have
to
access
19
for
a
short
little
bit
to
get
where
they're
going.
K
Well,
maybe
when
they
fix
the
bridge,
they'll
put
a
bike
late
on
well
they're
supposed
to
they're.
Definitely
gonna
be
sidewalks
on
it.
From
what
I
understand
so
yeah,
I
mean
that
that
really
that
area
truly
is
a
pinch
point
and
it's
it's
about
priorities.
So
there's.
K
H
B
H
K
K
H
If
you
zoom
in
helpful
and
I'm
speaking
specifically
because
there's
that
area
right
around
similar
to
where
you're
speaking
of
where
the
walking
path
along
the
bayou
ends,.
F
D
G
H
H
So
then,
my
second
question
to
that
is
how
how
do
I
know
I
don't
use
much
of
the
transit.
H
B
M
A
K
So
we
have
main
three
main
regular
service
transit
routes
in
turbine
springs.
H
B
H
N
Are
there
connections
that
aren't
made,
whether
it's
bike,
ped
or
transit,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
bus
like
a
lot
of
communities?
Sorry,
a
lot
of
communities
are
doing
micro
transit
right,
like
saint
pete
beach
they've
got
their
little
golf
cart
situation
that
that
was
their
option.
Instead
of
having
the
bus
go
down
to
pass
grill
anymore,
they
wanted
to
do
a
local
solution,
so
it
does
not
have
to
be
a
giant
bus.
It
can
be
so
many
different
things.
Just
let
your
imagination
go
crazy.
Okay,.
H
Theoretically,
if
I
want
to
get
off
of
some
sort
of
public
transit
at-
let's
just
say
the
chamber
of
commerce,
but
I
want
to
get
to
howard
park,
then
I'm
saying
to
myself:
do
I
just
put
a
big
old
one
like
right
in
the
center?
Do
I
draw
an
arrow?
How
do
I?
How
do
I
depict
kind
of
again?
I
can
write
on
the
back,
and
I
know
that
yeah,
but
it
says
number
number
on
the
map
where
connections
for
transit
are
needed.
N
G
K
Yeah
you
would
no,
yes,
I
mean,
ostensibly
that
it
is.
It's
been
in
the
long-range
plan
that
the
forward
step
forward
pinellas
our
metropolitan
planning
organization,
has
for
a
very
long
time.
It's
been
in
the.
K
B
K
K
Well,
no,
they
are
just
they're
designated
blue
ways.
The
the
state
the
state
does
that
they
designate
certain
routes
as
blue
ways.
That's.
E
F
F
B
F
B
F
D
D
N
Page,
okay,
so
board
eye
is
your
heat
island
map
and
also
your
shade
map,
and
I
you
know,
speaking
of
heat
on
my
way
here
today,
crossing
the
bridge.
The
ambient
temperature
reading
on
my
car
said:
100
degrees,
that's
not
what
it
feels
like.
That's
just
what
it
was
driving
over
here.
It's
you
know
we're
going
to
keep
experiencing
that,
and
it's
going
to
keep
it's.
You
treat
heat
events
the
same
way.
N
You
treat
a
storm
event,
it's
still
something
that
your
community
has
to
deal
with
one
way
or
another,
and
so
so
you've
got
your
little
heat
sensitivity
map
down
here
on
the
bottom,
so
the
pinker
it
is
the
darker,
the
pink
the
hotter.
It
is.
Those
are
your
hot
spots.
N
Obviously
us
19
and
alt
19
are
hot
spots.
So
your.
N
N
F
F
N
Right
and
so
you
can
look
at
at
the
top-
the
top
map-
the
green,
that's
your
tree,
canopy,
it's
horrible
right!
It's
not
it's!
It's
not
that
great!
It's
not
that
bad
either
compared
to
a
lot
of
places,
but
there
are
things
that
you
can
do
programmatically,
and
this
is
something
I
did
as
the
planning
director
in
bradenton.
We
partnered
with
the
arbor
day
foundation
and
did
a
tree
giveaway,
so
we
would
collect
money
from
developers
with
a
tree
permit.
We
took
that
money,
we
partnered
with
the
arbor
day
foundation
and
they
did.
N
We
did
the
tree
and
we
did
that
every
year,
and
so
we
got
hundreds
of
trees
planted,
and
the
great
thing
is
is
that
it's
also
a
flood
control
thing
right,
so
the
average
shade
tree
can
deal
with
100
gallons
of
water
a
day
a
live
oak
tree.
It's
double
that
right,
and
so
it
also
helps
with
your
flooding.
It's
nature's
air
conditioning,
there's
so
many
benefits
to
it
and
there's
things
that
you
can
do
as
a
community
to
help
with
that.
F
E
E
N
N
Start
somewhere
right,
like
exactly
the
cool
thing
about
the
arbor
days
website,
is
that
when
you
do
the
tree
selection,
it
will
look
at.
If
you
put
in
your
address,
it
looks
at
your
house.
It
looks
at
the
soil
condition,
the
climate
condition
and
all
that
and
the
side
of
the
house
that
it's
on
and
tells
you
where,
which
species
to
plant
and
on
what
side.
Your
house,
it's
really
cool
like
it's
a
cool
tool.
F
N
F
D
A
Think
that's
part
of
the
the
plan
that
just
got
approved
for
correct
an
arbor
plan
or
looking
at
a.
B
E
Staff
you
weren't
there
dory,
but
I
had
asked
about
trees
on
the
sponge
docks
because
there
aren't
any
no
and
the
arborist
and
the
woman
from
parks
talked
about
their
investigation
into
planting
trees
and
creating
this
whole
underground
for
them
that
they
could
maybe
plant
trees
at
the
sponge
dock.
It's
a
whole
new
way
of
creating
like
irrigation
and
plants
and
places
where
there's
no
dirt.
Basically,.
A
A
H
Correctly,
we
are
taking
into
consideration
the
things
such
as
the
density
in
regard
to
it's
easier
to
get
that
approved.
If
it's
an.
N
H
N
N
B
B
N
The
development
of
golf
courses
is
a
big
deal
in
florida
right
now.
It's
happening
all
over
the
place
and
dennis
brooke.
Can
you
explain
that
just
a
little
bit
so
literally
taking
a
golf
course
and
turning
it
into
something
other
than
a
golf
course,
residential,
commercial,
whatever
it
is
happening
all
over,
because
it's
not
a
productive
use
of
land
people
aren't
playing
like
they
used
to
water
they're,
not
making
money
they're
toxic.
N
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
reason
to
do
them:
right,
they're,
very
water,
intensive,
chemical,
intensive
and
they're,
just
not
a
lot
of
places.
A
lot
of
developers
held
on
to
that
land
as
ownership
like
it
was
a
benefit
to
a
community
with
hoa
and
all
that.
But
when
you
don't
have
the
money
to
support
it
anymore,
they
turn
it
into
something
more
productive
and
it's
happening
all
over
the
place.
Yes,
so.
M
B
B
F
A
N
Well,
as
far
as
our
contract
was
concerned,
we
were
going
to
after
this
gonna
get
in
to
really
start
going
through
your
policies
and
recommending
changes,
but
renee.
The
planning
director
wanted
us
to
do
another
round
of
engagement.
N
After
this,
what
that
looks
like
right
now,
we
need
to
explore
that
with
the
staff
we're
going
to
have
to
amend
our
contract
and
add
another
round
in
so
as
of
right
now
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
for
you,
so
the
contract
is
going
to
be
extended,
another
round
of
engagement
added
and
then,
after
that,
we're
going
to
really
get
into
the
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
of
editing.
Your
policies.
K
Catherine,
I
think
our
our
idea
was
that
the
next
time
we
would
come
to
you,
it
would
be
with
a
strike
through
underlying
document
which
is
taking
our
existing
goals,
objectives,
strategies
and
policies
and
the
changes
that
we're
making
old
to
new.
Sometimes
it's
going
to
be
completely
brand
new.
So
that's
what
we
were
thinking.
The
next
step
would
be.
K
N
N
N
And
please
encourage
your
friends
and
neighbors
to
participate
online.
There
is
ample
opportunity
for
online
engagement
to
do
this
exact
exercise.
So
please
encourage
them
to
do
so.
H
A
N
E
E
N
N
There's
plenty
of
room
and
attach
pages,
write
me
a
novel.
If
you
want
to
it's
just
fine,
it's
just
fine.
I
realize
that
you
don't
get
everything
that
you
want
from
this,
although
this
tells
me
a
lot
it
really
does.
But
if
you
feel
like
you
need
to
explain
something
or
point
to
it
or
color
it
in
go
nuts,
that's
fine.
N
And
it's
not
like
you're
not
allowed
to
talk
to
me
either
or
the
staff.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
it's
not
like,
although
you
can't
all
meet
together
outside
of
the
sunshine,
you
are
allowed
to
ask
technical
you're
allowed
to
ask
the
staff
questions
and
allowed
to
talk
to
me
as
well.
So
it's
that's
all
fine
too.
C
Sure
really,
the
only
set
item
for
the
next
meeting
agenda
is
the
public
engagement
update,
which
will
be
very
thorough,
we'll
have
tables
and
charts
that
you'll
be
able
to
review
in
advance
and
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
in-depth
conversation
about
the
feedback
that
we
received.
Okay,
but
that's
all
I
really
have
set
for
the
next
agenda.
A
G
A
D
I
did
come
away
with
kind
of
an
overarching
idea,
which
was
that
we
probably
need
to
be
engaging
in
a
little
bit
more
education
of
the
community
at
large
about
the
issues
that
tarpon
springs
is
facing,
and
I
think
that
dovetails
will.
That
carol
just
said
exactly
what
we
pick
as
a
you
know,
a
topic
to
focus
on
needs
to
be
accessible
to
the
general
public,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
I
don't
think
it's
that
easy
for
the
general
public
to
find
our
website.
D
A
M
I
agree,
I
agree,
because
awareness
is
everything
I
mean
if
you
can't
get
people
to
embrace
what
we're
doing
and
you're
getting
nothing
but
k.
You
know
pushback
for
really
practical
things
that
are.
You
know
imminent
dangers
in
our
future
that
we're
trying
to
mitigate
you
know
it's.
What
we're
doing
here
is
is
really
going
to
be
a
lot
more
challenging.
M
E
So
I
think
we
need
to
find
a
topic
and
and
discuss
it
amongst
us
in
depth
and
get
sort
of
here's
the
sorts
of
things
we
would
like
to
put
out,
because
the
the
star
program
is
too
complicated
to
understand.
We
need
to
simplify
it
in
a
way
with
the
narrative
to
go
out
there.
So
I
think
we
have
to
choose
topics
like
trees,
you
know
and
shade
and
the
stuff
we
talk
about
in
here.
E
D
Let
me
give
you
an
example
of
one,
just
one
specific
comment
that
was
made
by
a
person
who
moved
here
two
years
ago
from
west
virginia
identified
himself
as
a
dean
of
a
college
or
former
dean
of
a
college.
Here
he
was
complaining
that
the
hoa
that
he
is
under
the
auspices
of
in
in
where
his
house
is
located
in
the
southern
aspect
of
tarpon
spring
somewhere.
D
He
is
not
allowed
to
drill
a
well,
so
he
can
water.
His
lawn
apparently
has
a
very
big
lawn
and
wondered
if
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
could
help
him
with
that,
so
he
could
water.
He
could.
He
wouldn't
have
to
use
tap
water
to
water.
His
lawn
well
from
the
perspective
of
this
committee.
What's
an
alternative
that
we
could
offer
him,
we
could
say:
hey
you're
in
florida,
you're
not
in
west
virginia
lawns
are
a
invasive
monoculture.
Why
don't
you
consider
it
instead
of
drilling
a
well?
D
E
So,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
choose
a
topic
like
that
flesh
it
out,
get
it
written
and
have
these
sort
of
nice
things
online
or
printed
out
that
people
can
actually
have
and
and
learn
about
this,
and
that
way
we
have
a
nice
conversation
that
is
easy
to
engage
with,
and
I
think
in
that
way
we
provide
service
and
we
can
also
get
feedback.
A
So
I'm
thinking
two
things:
one
robin's
time
is
stretched
really
thin
with
trying
to
get
the
framework
done
and
get
the
the
plan
out
there,
but
I
also
think
we
can
walk
and
chew
gum
at
the
same
time.
So
I
think
that
part
of
the
star
framework
is
education.
A
Like
that's
what
parts
of
the
component
you
know
I
mean
are
so
so
I
think
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
how,
when
we
implement
the
star
framework,
we
are
going
to
be
educating
and
communicating
with
the
community
about
these
different
ideas
and
what
that
looks
like
so
my
thought
would
be
more
conversation
about
yes,
picking
some
topics,
but
not
reinventing
the
wheel,
like
there's
other
resources
that
we
should
be
linking
people
to,
instead
of
like
trying
to
come
up
with
our
own
ideas,
maybe
putting
together
like
a
clearinghouse
or
ways
to
send
folks
to
more
information.
A
A
A
E
A
C
Yeah
we
have
a
couple
staff
comments.
Some
of
them
we
already
shared
like
that.
We
received
the
urban
forestry
management
grant.
So
I
believe
that
will
consist
of
an
inventory
and
a
master
plan
and
shannon
arborist
will
be
able
to
hire
some
interns
with
that
funding
to
do
the
inventory.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
great
and
I
am
involved
in
that
grant
on
the
application,
as
the
community
outreach
person
so
I'll
be
involved
in
a
way
helping
with
their
workshops
and
the
community
outreach
aspect.
A
C
Great,
we
also
got
a
special
notice
by
the
florida
recreation
and
parks
association
frpa
for
the
city's
rec
department's
programming
and
outreach
efforts
which
positively
influence
mental
health.
They
were
named
along
with
15
other
agencies
throughout
the
state
for
their
their
mental
health
programming.
So
that
was
a
congratulations.
C
I'm
definitely
on
board
with
our
star
framework
as
well
also
paul
crunch,
some
numbers
during
the
meeting
about
our
survey
response
rate,
our
survey
response
rate
versus
the
counties,
and
it
looks
like
with
our
percentage
response
rate.
We
were
about
four
to
five
times
higher
percentage
rate
than
the
counties.
Oh
so
wow.
B
G
C
Yeah,
and
also
just
from
conversation
just
now,
I
did
also
want
to
mention
that
you
know
we're
still
working
on
compiling
that
feedback,
but
one
common
theme
we
found
through
each
workshop
through
each
goal
area
was
a
request
for
education
and
outreach.
So
it's
definitely
a
priority
in
terms
of
what
the
citizens
want
to
see.
E
Well,
in
terms
of
the
three
comments,
three
things
to
talk
about,
maybe
robin
from
the
survey
and
the
public
comments-
you
could
choose
three
topics
that
they
prioritized
sure.
So
that
would
be
good
to
know.
B
M
D
B
M
I
mean
recommendations
and
it's
about
really
changing
the
consciousness
around
the
whole
conversation
of
sustainability
and
recognizing
that
we
are
in
the
11th
hour
closer
to
12
than
we
would
like
to
believe.
But
it's
an
awesome
read
I
mean
I
was
listening
to
a
lot
of
his
a
lot
of
his
interviews
on
youtube
this
week
and
there's
free
pdfs
on
the
internet.
So
you
can
look
that
up.
It's
last
name
choosing
earth
and
it's
elgin
is
e-l-g-I-n.
A
All
right,
then,
if
we
don't
have
anything
else,
let's
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
adjourned
at
8,
34.