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House Commerce Committee- March 29, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
A
A
Good
morning,
everybody
by
my
time
it
says
901,
so
I
apologize
for
us
being
a
little
bit
late.
Welcome
to
the
early
edition
of
the
house
commerce
committee,
our
clerk's
staff
asked
us
to
spread
our
times
out
today
with
hopeful.
Hopefully
we
will
be
closing
this
committee
at
the
end
of
today's
business.
B
A
Chairman,
you
have
a
quorum,
all
righty,
thank
you
and
for
those
of
you
brave
souls
who
are
here
at
this
time
this
morning.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
dedication
to
the
people
of
the
great
state
of
tennessee.
We
have
two
items
on
our
calendar
today
and
again.
Our
our
goal
today
is
going
to
be
that
we
are
able
to
close
this
committee
following
our
actions
today,
subject
to
the
call
of
the
chair
for
folks,
we've
got
quite
a
bit
of
people
on
the
calendar
to
testify
today
on
our
two
items.
A
A
We
have
received
names
24
hours
in
advance.
We
have
them
on
the
list
whenever
we
call
your
name,
we
ask
that
you,
please
come
sit
at
the
microphone
and
if
we
want
to
double
load
the
table
so
for
the
ability
for
logistical
sake,
then
we
can
do
that,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
for
your
prepared
remarks.
If
you
can
get
your
point
across
in
less
than
that,
we
would
appreciate
it,
but
with
that
we're
going
to
start
on
today's
regular
calendar
and
we
are
starting
with
house
bill
645
by
chairman
faison.
A
All
righty,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
that
thing
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
discuss
the
bill.
Drafting
code
is
016138.
Is
that
the
one?
That's?
What
I
have
got
a
motion
on
the
amendment
got
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
attaching
16
138
to
house
bill.
645,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
no
eyes
have
it.
We
are
on
the
bill,
as
amended
chairman
faison,.
C
A
It
is,
it
is
your
prerogative
you
would
like
to
have
testimony
prior
to
presenting
your
bill.
That's
fine
by
me
with
that.
We
are
going
to
go
out
of
session,
and
we
have
ms
barbara
culligan
and
ms
kelly
clark
here
to
testify
on
that
bill,
and
so
with.
Ladies
as
you
come
down
and
sit
at
the
table
again
punch
the
red
button
to
turn
your
microphone
on,
give
us
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
A
D
I
apologize
for
my
for
my
raspy
voice,
it's
either
allergies
or
from
screaming
at
the
television
for
march
madness,
because
I
want
to
tell
you
that
my
bracket
picks
are
still
alive
so
good
morning.
My
name
is
barbara
culligan.
I
am
a
short-term
rental
host
who
has
been
negatively
affected
by
the
city
of
nashville's
regulatory
overreach.
Here's
my
story
in
2017
I
began
looking
for
a
new
home
here
in
nashville.
D
I
specifically
chose
a
home
where
a
part
of
it
could
be
rented
out
separately
because
it
was
designed
with
a
studio
bedroom
with
its
own
porch
and
entrance.
I
paid
more
money
than
other
comparable
houses
to
purchase
this
house
because
of
this
amenity
before
buying
it.
I
checked
with
nashville
metro
codes
that
this
property
would
be
eligible
for
an
owner-occupied,
short-term
rental
permit
and
was
assured
it
was
in
early
2018.
I
was
issued
an
owner-occupied
permit
for
my
home.
D
D
Think
of
the
enormity
of
that,
since
1796
no
city
in
tennessee
has
violated
a
court
order
so
thoroughly
that
a
judge
could
find
them
to
be
in
contempt
because
contempt,
applaud
implies
willful
disobedience,
and
that
is
a
very
high
bar
to
clear
but
clear.
Nashville
did
the
city
revoked
permits
when
the
court
had
told
the
city
specifically
that
it
could
not
do
so.
The
city's
bad
actor
behavior
cost
me
more
than
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
legal
and
other
fees.
D
Metro
council
has
used
every
available
lever
to
thwart
constitutionally
protected
rights.
Since
2019,
the
city
has
introduced
many
str-related
ordinances,
which
range
from
removing
zoned
areas
where
str's
were
previously
allowed
to
increasing
permitting
fees
by
500
percent,
a
law
that
would
require
a
homeowner
to
be
in
their
home
for
at
least
15
hours
a
day
while
guests
are
present
is
still
being
discussed.
A
A
E
Sorry,
my
name
is
kelly
clark
von
shipman.
In
january
of
2017
I
was
a
newly
divorced
mother
of
five
trying
to
figure
out
how
not
to
lose
the
only
home
my
children
had
ever
known.
I
spent
my
days
working
attending
my
boys,
sporting
events
and
my
girls,
musical
performances
and
taking
them
on
college
visits,
most
of
which
was
paid
for
in
credit
cards.
I
spent
my
evenings
helping
my
twins
fill
out
financial
aid
forms
and
college
loan
applications.
E
In
july
of
that
same
year,
I
began
hosting
weekends
when
the
kids
went
to
their
fathers
fast
forward.
To
today.
I
now
have
two
college
graduates:
one
grad
student,
one
in
his
senior
year,
fully
out
filling
out
law,
school
applications
and
one
still
attending
because
of
the
income
airbnb
and
short-term
rentals
has
brought
in
my
kids
can
still
come
home
for
holidays
to
the
rooms
they
grew
up
in.
E
A
C
C
I
would
contend
to
this
committee
that
an
airbnb
in
your
own
private
home
is
a
small
business.
I
understand
that
the
local
government
needs
to
have
the
ability
to
regulate
them,
but
the
local
government
should
not
have
the
ability
to
completely
squash
you
in
your
home
and
make
it
to
where
you
don't
have
a
reasonable
expectation.
So
this
bill
basically
does
six
things
in
my
effort
to
make
sure
there's
reasonable
expectations
in
nashville
and
a
reasonable
expectation.
C
This
is
what
we're
doing
the
first
one.
We
we
clarify
that
this
bill
only
impacts,
owner-occupied
short-term
rentals.
That
means,
according
to
the
tca
where
you
live,
where
you
spend
your
holidays,
where
your
address
is
registered
to
vote,
where
your
driver's
license
is
that
we're
clarifying
that
this
bill
only
impacts
short-term
rentals
in
nashville
that
are
where
you
live.
Secondly,
if
there
has
been
a
frustration
or
a
violation
three
times
within
a
12-month
period,
you
can
lose
your
permit.
Obviously
we
don't
want
neighborhoods
having
neighbors
being
frustrated.
C
We
have
to
accept
the
fact
that
there
have
been
times
with
short-term
rentals.
That
neighbors
are
very
angry
at
the
party
in
thuggery.
If
you
will
that's
going
on
beside
them,
that's
not
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
do.
The
reason
we
limit
this
only
to
short-term
rentals
that
are
owner-occupied
is
to
make
sure
where
you
live,
you're,
taking
care
of
your
place.
C
A
C
C
Mr
sponsor,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
mr
representative,
from
my
studies.
Seeing
what's
going
on,
nashville
has
been
the
most
egregious
to
people
who
were
grandfathered
in
just
like
this
young
lady.
You
heard
a
few
minutes
ago.
There
was
a
reasonable
expectation
that
she
had
that
she
could
use
her
short-term
rentals,
such
as,
though
in
such
a
way,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
just
come
in
decide
that
you
can't
do
that.
C
C
Absolutely-
and
I
would
remind
the
gentleman
from
shelby
county
the
reason
part
of
america's
greatness
is
that
the
rule
of
law
is
here
to
protect
the
weak,
our
entire
institution.
The
way
america
was
created
is
that
we
have
a
reasonable
expectation
with
our
government
and
with
somebody
who's,
powerful
or
more
powerful
than
us.
C
That's
why
we
have
laws
to
make
sure
that
the
rich
and
powerful
can't
just
squash
the
little
man,
and
what
we
have
found
here
in
nashville,
is
that
the
executive
branch,
the
judicial
branch
and
the
kangaroo
kangaroo
courts,
if
you
will
of
the
of
the
judicial
and
the
legislative
branch
they
have
come
down
and
squashed
the
little
man
who's
just
trying
their
best.
So
I
would
say
if
their
cities,
who
have
been
egregious
to
their
people
in
such
a
way
that
this
city
has
we'll
do
the
same.
There
too.
C
B
B
C
A
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
to
the
sponsor
of
the
bill.
When
I
first
read
when
I
read
the
previous
amendment,
it
seemed
to
me
that
there
were
a
couple
of
definitions
in
the
bill
for
the
owner
of
a
short-term
rental,
and
one
of
the
definitions
appeared
to
me
to
make
to
apply
to
reits
and
as
so,
if,
if
someone
owned
a
short-term
rental
through
a
reit,
even
though
the
members
of
the
re
change,
they
don't
have
to
do
a
transference
within
the
city
that
the
short-term
rental
has
changed.
E
Ownership,
and
the
thing
that
you
know
brings
comes
to
mind
for
me,
is,
I
know
in
my
district,
many
of
our
neighborhoods
are
are
used
to
be
lower-priced
homes.
They
have
been
taken
over
by
rental
companies,
and
it's
just
about
every
other
house
or
more,
that
is
owned
by
a
rental
company,
and
so
it
really
has
changed
the
na
the
the
feeling
of
our
neighborhoods
they're,
not
so
much
neighborhoods
anymore
they're.
You
know
people
who
live
there
for
just
a
little
bit
and
then
and
then
they
go
on
the
housing.
E
E
C
Mr
sponsor,
thank
you,
mr
chair
representative,
section
9,
subsection
2.
You
will
see
that
it
clarifies
this
bill.
Only
deals
with
owner
occupied.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
people
being
able
to
buy
multiple
properties,
turn
them
into
rental
use.
This
is
only
your
primary
residence
as
as,
according
to
the
tca
is
listed
as
a
primary
residence,
and
this
bill
would
only
impact
that.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
then
other
people
who
maybe
own
short-term
rental
like
say,
there's
an
individual.
Maybe
they
they
bought
a
house
in
nashville
because
their
kid
was
going
to
college
their
kids
done,
and
now
they
want
to
vrbo
that,
to
maybe
other
people
who
are
visiting
the
college
or
visiting
the
area,
does
it
prevent
that
kind
of
activity?
E
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair
representative.
This
bill
only
deals
with
the
people
who
live
in
their
house
owner
occupied
houses.
It
has
nothing
to
do
if
they
bought
something
for
their
child
or
somebody
else
or
want
to
rent
it
out.
This
only
is
the
people
who
live
in
their
house
as
their
primary
residence.
According
to
the
tca.
A
G
C
G
C
G
You,
mr
chairman,
I
mean,
I
think
I
get
your
point,
but
I'm
not
gonna
agree
that
it
is
an
arbitrary
decision.
I'm
sure
that
there
was
a
thought
process
that
went
into
why
they
may
have
zoned
it
commercially
for
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
necessarily
understand
all
the
inner
workers
of
a
city
and
what's
going
on
with
all
the
growth
in
nashville,
and
you
know,
this
whole
area
has
grown
and
you
know
I'm
sure
they
have
reasons
for
why
you
know
they
may
have
zoned
it
commercial.
G
I
was
just
trying
to
get
clarity
to
make
sure
I
understood
where
you're
coming
from
so
it
appears
that
you
may
have
an
unoccupied
house
in
an
area
that,
when
they
purchased
it,
it
was
a
residential
area
that
home
is
still
there
and
may
have
been
a
few
properties
around.
It
may
have
been
rezoned
later
on,
and
now
it's
mostly
commercial
when
this
one
property
or
two
is
still
in
that
area,
is
what
it
appears
to
me.
But
I
understand
your
point.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank.
H
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
just
as
my
chairman
pontificates
we're
gonna
see
if
we
can
join
you
in
a
little
pontificating
this
morning
and
mr
chairman,
what
I'd
like
to
ask
make
a
statement
as
it
relates
to
due
process
and
eminent
domain.
Cities
have
always
taken
property
and
changed
things
within
the
domain.
I
mean
I
don't
like
it,
but
I
know
over
the
history
of
our
country
and
our
state.
They
do
it
and
it
pisses
some
people
off,
because
sometimes
that's
air
property.
H
H
Chairman
you're,
a
wise
man,
all
knowing
I
wish
you
could
give
me
a
winning
lottery
ticket
number.
I
split
the
money
with
you
this,
mr
chairman,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
get
a
just
for
for
my
understanding
and
maybe
some
other
members,
a
legal
opinion
on
what
the
what
what
our
council
thinks
about
that,
how
does
it
impact
legally.
B
Jamie
shanks
office
of
legal
services,
to
my
understanding
of
your
question,
was
with
regard
to.
Does
this
bill
affect
the
imminent
domain
authority
of
the
municipalities
affected?
This
area
of
the
law?
That's
being
changed
right
now
is
dealing
with
their
zoning
authority
and
the
imminent
domain
part
of
the
code
is
in
a
different
section,
so
I
believe
this
would
not
impact
their
imminent
domain
authority.
H
Okay,
so
it's
the
opinion
of
council
that
it
does
not
impact
eminent
domain
at
this
particular
point
in
time
now
and
unfortunately,
what
happened
to
our
testifying
guests
is
it's
tough,
it's
tough
and,
however,
considering
all
of
that
you
have
one
person
and,
or
you
have
several
in
the
community
or
one
in
the
community
that
wants
to
do
something
and
then
the
other
other
part
of
the
majority
of
the
community
may
not
see
that
see
it.
The
same.
H
C
Mr
mr
sponsor,
thank
you,
mr
chair
representative
townes.
My
intent
is
to
make
sure
that
you
have
a
reasonable
regulations
from
the
governing
body,
local
governing
body
of
nashville
and
reasonable
expectations
with
your
largest
investment,
when
you
say
people
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence,
if
you're,
if
you're
referring
to
neighbors,
I
I
think
that's
where
you're
referring
to.
We
do
have
that
in.
If
there's
issues
three
within
a
year,
you
complain
and
it's
substantiated
complaints.
Then
you
can
lose
your
your
your
permit
to
be
able
to
do
this.
C
So
I
I
think
there
is
reason.
There's
calls
for
the
people
who
are
owner-occupied
short-term
rentals
to
make
sure
whatever
is
taking
place
at
their
house
in
their
house,
is
in
compliance
with
the
the
local
restrictions
and
making
sure
that
the
partying
is
not
crazy
in
such
a
way
that
neighbors
are
frustrated
or
they'll
lose
their
permit.
H
A
Thank
thank
you.
Seeing
no
other
hands
without
objection.
We're
going
to
call
the
question
on
house
bill
645
as
amended.
Let
your
eyes
be
eye.
Let
your
nose
be!
No.
I
will
have
my
listening
devices
on
the
best
I
can
all
in
favor
of
house
bill.
645,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
all
those
opposed
eyes
have
it.
6
45
is
on
it's
double
referred.
It
is
headed
off
to
local
government
from
here.
I
I
A
A
We
talked
about
various
aspects
of
the
bill,
and
so
we
took
a
lot
of
those
comments
placed
them
in
this
amendment
and
what
I'd
like
to
do,
because
I
have
been
inundated
by
emails
that
by
folks
that
didn't
really
understand
what
was
in
the
bill.
Apparently.
So
I
need
to
clarify
for
my
committee
members.
Actually
what
is
in
this
amendment.
A
What
follows
is
a
local
action
of
a
political
subdivision
is
preempted
and
void
if
the
local
action
directly
or
indirectly
is
or
acts
as
a
de
facto
prohibition
of
the
sighting
or
prohibition
of
construction
expansion,
maintenance
of
energy,
industrial
or
related
transportation
infrastructure
within
the
jurisdictional
boundary
of
the
political
subdivision.
That
is
what
the
bill
does.
A
Let
me
tell
you
what
the
bill
does
not
do,
because
I
think
that's
very
critical
to
hear
when
you
look
down
in
section
c.
Specifically,
this
section
does
not
prevent
or
preempt,
and
when
you
look
over
through
there
on
section
two
following
that,
it
does
not
preempt
a
local
action
that
is
state
authorized
ministerial
in
nature
pertaining
to
land
use
generally
applicable
with
similar
types
of
commercial
and
industrial
activities
and
necessary
to
provide
a
public
benefit.
A
That
is
the
definition
of
zoning
and
right-of-way
control.
Local
municipalities
will
still
have
the
ability
to
enact
zoning
regulations
with
regards
to
these
types
of
businesses.
In
addition,
we
also
went.
We
heard
concerns
about
groundwater
protection.
Most
communities
have
wellhead
protection
ordinances.
I
know
mine.
Does
I
live
in
a
very
heavily
regulated
community,
a
community,
that's
crisscrossed
by
pipelines,
carrying
various
items,
and
we
have
a
very
strict
zoning
code.
A
A
A
A
A
A
This
bill
is
trying
to
capture
is
to
say
to
local
jurisdictions
and,
if
you
think
about
it,
if
you're
an
opponent
to
fossil
fuels-
or
you
want
to
see
innovation-
and
you
want
this-
this
co
this
country
to
change
its
energy
policy.
What
better
way
than
to
seek
a
ban
at
a
local
level
for
us
to
pass
this
bill
in
this
house,
it's
going
to
require
67,
I
votes
between
us
and
the
senate.
A
I
B
I
Bill,
so
if
if
it's
okay
with
you
we'll
go
out
of
session
and
call
up
these
presenters
so
we're
out
of
session,
we
have
a
list
of
about
10
folks.
That
would
like
to
speak.
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
all
here,
so
I'm
going
to
just
call
them
up
and
if
they
can
just
start
populating
the
chairs
we'll
just
get
to
them.
Please
be
reminded
that
each
speaker
only
has
three
minutes.
So
is
george
nolan
here
all
right,
george
you're
up
first
and
then
brittany
thornton.
I
I
J
J
As
a
lawyer
in
a
native
tennessean,
I'm
I'm
very
concerned
about
some
of
the
broad
language
that
still
remains
in
this
bill.
I
appreciate
the
amendments
that
chairman
vaughn
explained,
but
in
particular
the
language
on
page
three,
paragraph
b,
two
and
three
will
be
used
by
pipeline
companies
to
suggest
that
local
governments
shouldn't
have
the
power
to
regulate
the
safety
and
sighting
of
this
particular
type
of
infrastructure.
J
Now,
if
this
is
passed,
it'll
apply
to
every
county,
commission,
every
city
government,
every
school
board
and
and
zoning
board
in
all
95
counties,
and
they
won't
be
able
to
regulate
the
safety
of
this
big
infrastructure
as
they
should
and
it's
important
that
they
be
able
to,
because
pipelines
and
storage
tanks
over
time
are
prone
to
ruptures
and
leaks.
They
can
pollute
groundwater
and
sometimes
they
can
even
explode.
J
For
example,
my
home
county
of
dixon
in
1992
a
pipeline
leak
exploded
near
white
bluff,
burned
400
acres
of
farmland,
destroyed
five
houses
and
sent
three
people
to
the
hospital
now.
Fortunately,
that
happened
in
a
rural
area.
Not
many
folks
were
hurt,
but
what
if
it
had
been
near
a
school,
so
local
government
should
have
the
prerogative
to
regulate
the
safety
and
sighting
of
these
things
and
pass
a
law
that
says
you
can't
put
a
high
pressure,
methane
gas
storage
facility
next
to
a
school.
J
It's
been
controversial
because
it's
upstream
of
the
community's
drinking
water,
but
the
county
has
negotiated
with
the
texas
company
and
got
them
to
agree
to
impose
additional
environmental
safety
limits
and
also
agreed
to
provide
the
community
more
than
1.4
million
dollars
of
benefits
to
the
local
community.
But
if
you
pass
a
law
like
this,
then
you
are
taking
away
the
bargaining
power
of
the
local
government,
and
so
I'm
concerned
that,
because
a
few
folks
are
annoyed
by
something
that
happened
in
memphis,
you
all
are
being
asked
to
pass
a
sweeping
piece
of
legislation.
H
Thank
you
for
that
presentation,
whereas,
when
that
erupted,
okay
and
did
it
mess
up
the
drinking
water,
where
were
there
any
citizens
that
were
killed
and
how
much
property
damage
was
done
and
and
how
much
was
involved
in
terms
of
repairing
the
area?
How
much
money
was
spent?
If
you
can,
if
you
can
recall
those
three
or
four
things,
okay,.
J
H
Representative
towns,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
again
here
again.
You
talked
about
something.
That's
very
very.
It
should
be
very,
very
well
known
that
when
we
talk
about
protecting
the
water
with
these
liners
and
so
forth
that
they
don't
last
as
long
as
we
think
and
when
they
have
erupted
or
deteriorated
it's
some
time
that
elapse
lots
of
time
they
lapse
before
we
discover
it.
H
J
They
agreed
to
contribute
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
community
for
the
purchase
of
another
fire
truck
and
they
agreed
to
contribute
a
million
dollars
to
the
community
for
the
construction
of
an
ag
center.
Now
that
it's
important
for
counties
to
have
the
leverage
to
negotiate
terms
like
that
when
rich
and
powerful
out-of-state
companies
come
in
and
want
to
build
something
in
their
community,
particularly
if
it's
going
to
be
upstream
of
a
drinking
water
source.
J
So
if
you
look
at
this
bill
and
in
sections
b,
2
and
3,
that
language
is
very
broad,
and
so
what's
going
to
happen-
is
that
these
out-of-state
companies
are
going
to
use
those
two
paragraphs
to
write
scary
letters
to
county
attorneys
when
something
like
this
is
coming
in
and
you
know,
counties
don't
have
deep
pockets
like
some
out
of
state
energy
companies.
Do
so
they're
going
to
use
this
legislation
to
scare
counties
away
from
taking
reasonable
measures
to
keep
their
communities
safe.
I
B
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
My
name
is
brittany.
Thornton,
I'm
a
native
memphian
of
a
community
named
historic
orange
mound,
the
oldest
black
community
in
the
city
of
memphis,
I'm
here
not
in
expert
capacity,
but
here
in
solidarity
for
an
attempt
to
strip
us
as
tennesseans
of
our
local
authority.
So
I
believe
that
this
is
a
dangerous
bill
in
our
tennessee
state
legislature,
in
its
consideration
will
undermine
local
decision-making
power
in
the
name
of
energy
independence.
B
There
are
multiple
points
that
will
be
made
today,
but
I
really
want
to
just
echo
and
emphasize
that
this
bill
is
so
broad
that
it
could
allow
for
rampant
use
of
eminent
domain
and
might
not
even
be
legal.
It
prevents
local
decision-making
power
over
projects,
even
when
they're
owned
by
out-of-state
or
foreign
companies.
If
passed,
it
would
also
make
other
states
more
vulnerable
to
this
type
of
legislation
promoted
by
fossil
fuel
fuel
entities.
B
K
K
We
have
1.1
000
superfund
sites
across
the
state
right,
and
that
is
because
certain
communities
bear
the
brunt
of
the
the
downside
of
energy
infrastructure
right.
Just
because
there's
energy
infrastructure
in
people
are
benefiting
from.
It
doesn't
mean
that
certain
people
don't
carry
the
burden
of
pollution,
and
so
I
am-
I
am
here
today
as
an
environmental
justice
expert,
but
also
I'm
here
as
a
mother,
a
aunt
cousin
and
lover
of
my
community.
K
K
K
K
Why
I
want
you
to
go
there
because
tennessee,
we
have
one
point,
one
thousand:
how
many
do
you
think
memphis
tennessee
has
how
many
we
carry
the
burden
of
everybody's
energy
right
about
now
we
carry
the
burden.
What
does
that
mean?
That
means
health
effects.
That
means
people
in
our
community
are
sick
and
dying
from
energy
infrastructure
that
makes
people
sick
from
fossil
fuels,
and
it's
not
just
isolated
to
memphis
tennessee.
K
It
is
also
rural
communities.
That's
carrying
the
burden
of
pollution
too,
all
over
the
state
and
so
you're
going
to
say
to
a
community.
That's
been
carrying
the
burden
of
not
the
financial
part
of
pollution,
because
our
energy
burden
is
too
great
right
about
now.
My
my
energy
bill
is
half
of
my
mortgage.
I
am
blessed
to
be
a
homeowner,
that's
too
much,
so
something
that
we're
doing
is
not
working.
When
it
comes
to
energy
infrastructure,
when
people
have
to
carry
the
burden,
there
are
lives
lost,
there
are
true
environmental
consequences
and
there
are
casualties.
K
I
I
L
K
M
M
I
own
a
farm
in
dixon
county
in
the
community
of
cumberland
furnace,
I'm
a
professional
engineer
and
mechanical
engineering
and
project
manager,
project
management,
professional.
I
did
work
for
chevron
for
34
years
for
the
last
20
years
of
my
career.
I
installed.
I
installed
oil
and
gas
pipelines
in
locations,
including
california,
papua
new
guinea,
kazakhstan,
nigeria.
M
How
did
I
get
involved
in
this
today?
Approximately
three
months
ago
I
learned
about
a
proposed
gas
pipeline
to
the
cumberland
city
power
plant,
which
would
cross
my
farm.
Since
then,
I've
learned
a
little
bit
more
about
legislation
heard
about
this
today
had
concerns,
so
I
want
to
come
here
and
voice
those
today
from
what
I
have
read
house
bill,
2246
minimized
the
ability
of
community
authorities
to
regulate
the
installation
of
energy
facilities,
especially
pipelines,
and
I
say
minimize
because
I
saw
the
words
ministerial
versus
administrative
in
there
in
the
wording.
M
M
M
Kinder
morgan
crossing
across
my
farm
uses
a
25-foot
setback.
In
fact,
they're
considering
rooting
their
pipeline
50
feet
from
my
neighbor's
house,
and
I
I
did
go.
Do
some
industry
research
for
a
600
pound
pipeline
30
inch,
which
is
going
across
mine
it'll
cause
a
fire
within
500
feet,
radius
that
will
destroy
everything
and
anybody
within
that
radius
within
10
seconds
will
die
so
now
it
doesn't
happen
often,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
you:
do
you
want
that
to
be
next
to
your
house?
My
concern
is:
there's
no
regulation
for
this.
M
The
only
people
that
look
out
since
interstate
pipelines
are
only
regulated
by
the
state,
so
we
look
to
the
state
to
do
this.
However,
there's
not
a
ferc
national,
an
organization
in
the
state
like
ferc
ferc,
regulates
all
the
interstate
pipelines.
There's
nothing
here
in
the
state
necessarily
to
do
that.
Even
the
pucs
pipeline
safety
group.
They
enforce
safety
regulations.
N
I
agree
with
the
sponsor
of
the
previous
bill
that
the
rule
of
law
is
to
protect
the
weak
after
facing
the
threat
of
the
bihalia
pipeline
coming
through
our
city
and
possibly
damaging
our
sole
source
of
drinking
water.
Last
year,
thousands
of
local
residents
of
different
colors
and
from
all
walks
of
life,
came
together
in
a
united
coalition
to
speak
out
against
it.
N
Faced
with
such
massive
opposition
by
helia
pipeline
llc
canceled
their
plans,
people
power
had
won.
However,
the
best
win
came
afterwards
because
over
the
next
few
months,
our
local
city
and
county
governments
both
worked
to
enact
historic
legislation
to
protect
our
aquifer.
Both
of
these
legislative
bodies
truly
demonstrated
beautiful
examples
of
abraham
lincoln's
vision
of
a
government
of
the
people
by
the
people
and
for
the
people.
I
would
expect
nothing
less
from
you.
N
My
state
representatives,
you
folks,
are
pledged
to
represent
us
these
people
of
tennessee
and
not
the
oil
and
gas
pipeline
companies,
quoting
from
your
oath
of
office,
which
each
of
you
took.
You
swore
to
perform
your
official
duties
impartially
without
favor
or
prejudice
and
to
always
protect
the
rights
of
the
people.
I'm
only
asking
you
to
do
exactly
that
today.
In
your
vote,
hb
2246
will
most
certainly
strip
tennessee
communities
of
local
control,
contrary
to
most
tennesseans
conservative
values
of
less
big
government.
N
I'm
concerned
that
the
broad
implications
of
this
bill
will
take
away
local
control
from
all
95
counties,
all
planning
commissions,
municipalities
and
other
boards
like
ground
water
quality
control
boards
and
hand
that
decision-making
power
over
to
private
energy
companies,
possibly
even
foreign
companies.
Our
local
government
should
have
all
options
available
to
review
future
energy
infrastructure
projects
so
that
they
can
be
responsive
to
the
will
of
their
residents.
This
legislation
does
exactly
the
opposite,
prioritizing
the
interests
of
the
project
sponsors
first,
like
oil
and
gas
companies
and
not
the
needs
of
the
people.
N
It
undercuts
our
ability
to
provide
meaningful
comments
on
energy
infrastructure
projects
that
will
affect
our
property,
our
air
and
water
quality.
It
also
bypasses
any
local
health
and
safety
legislation
established
for
our
protection.
Local
governments
would
have
no
input
over
whether
toxic
pipelines
were
run
right
near
homes,
schools,
churches,
hospitals,
parks
or
farms.
It
may
even
be
in
conflict
with
the
safe
drinking
water
act
and
possibly
other
federal
laws.
I
do
not
support
it.
I'm
very
concerned.
I
ask
that
you
vote
against
it.
N
M
Yes,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
paul
slence
and
I'm
a
retired
pastor
in
the
tennessee
western
kentucky
conference
of
the
united
methodist
church.
I
live
with
my
wife
in
the
bellshire
neighborhood
of
northeast
nashville.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
express
my
strong
opposition
to
this
bill.
M
On
a
weekday
afternoon
in
2
august
2014,
I
was
standing
in
the
fellowship
hall
of
the
church
I
was
serving
in
west
nashville.
When
I
heard
a
huge
explosion,
I
ran
to
the
nearest
window
and
saw
a
fireball
engulfing
the
plastics
recycling
factory
next
door
to
the
church
about
50
yards
from
where
I
was
standing.
M
A
tanker
truck
had
just
filled
up
at
the
nearby
energy
depot
fuel
depot
and
had
come
around
a
bin
in
the
road
too
fast
and
it
overturned
it
spilled
all
of
its
contents.
Out
onto
the
road.
There
was
immediately
a
huge
explosion
that
again
engulfed
that
factory
next
door,
and
then
the
gasoline
started
to
flow
into
the
sewers
of
the
of
the
of
the
surrounding
area.
M
Soon
emergency
responders
were
there
and
they
told
us
to
evacuate
right
away,
and
so
we
did.
But
before
doing
so,
I
went
down
three
blocks
in
the
residential
area.
This
was
commercial
and
residential
and
residential
area.
Where
I
served
and
to
check
with
some
of
my
members
as
I
was
driving
down
there,
all
of
a
sudden,
I
saw
fire
coming
up
through
a
sewer
opening,
as
I
was
driving
by,
and
this
was
happening
all
over
the
neighborhood
so
rather
than
staying
there
I
went
on.
M
M
So
my
point
in
sharing
in
this
is
that
accident
accidents
involving
highly
volatile
fossil
fuel
products
do
happen
with
some
frequency
and
always
without
warning.
Local
citizens
and
local
officials
know
the
lay
of
the
land
where
they
live.
Work,
learn
play
and
worship
better
than
any
outside
agency.
M
I
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
taking
the
time
to
come
and
present
before
the
committee.
I
know
you've
come
before.
We
had
to
put
it
off
another
week,
so
we
really
appreciate
you
coming
back
time
and
time
again
to
make
sure
that
your
voices
are
heard
and
that
your
voices
are
on
the
record.
G
I
want
to
thank
my
my
quita
for
her
testimony
because
I
did
go
to
home,
fax
and
I
did
put
in
a
zip
code
for
where
I
live,
and
it
did
come
back
with
like
229,
but
I
also
put
it
in
for
caryville
and
it
had
zero
c
memphis
bartlett
zero
closest
memphis,
cordova,
zero,
lakeland,
zero.
These
are
all
the
ones
within
shelby
county
area
arlington.
G
Build
it
out
there
plenty
of
land
available,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
point
you
made
because
it
truly
can
personalize
it
for
you,
and
I
encourage
members
to
do
that.
Put
your
zip
code
in
put
your
your
grandparents,
your
your
mother,
your
nieces,
your
cousin,
put
that
zip
code
in
and
see
the
burden
their
community
is
having
with
this
and
that's
not
an
anti-anything.
G
And
if
this
bill
passed
and
takes
away
that
ability
it's
going
to
do
damage
because
those
companies,
their
responsibility,
is
to
their
stockholders
the
board
and
that's
fine.
That's
what
businesses
do
it's
not
mad
about
it,
but
you're
elected
representatives
work
for
you
you're
their
board,
and
so
I
think,
having
that
ability
to
represent
you
in
these
instances
is
keenly
important.
So
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
All
of
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
have
a
question
for
the
young
lady
in
the
glasses
in
the
blue.
You
had
referenced,
it
referenced
energy
infrastructure
and
then
you
talked
about
the
burdens
of
pollution
in
the
community.
Can
you
give
specific
examples
and
studies
related
to
pollution
and
what
what
the
cause
of
the
pollution
was?
What
the
result
has
been
and
get
some
studies
related
to
that.
Please.
K
K
That
accurately
describes
which
communities
have
been
carrying
the
burden
of
pollution
and
the
the
community
members
that
that
that
probably
were
alive.
Then
when
they
did
their
report
because
a
lot
of
people
are
are
dead
and
also,
if
you're,
if
you're
wondering
about
a
particular
site,
you
can
go
to
epa.gov
or
tdec
to
find
that
actual
site
and
see
what
the
remediation
plan
was.
K
For
instance,
the
the
the
site
that
was
down
the
street
from
where
I
grew
up
was
during
the
base
closure
act
of
of
1995
and
the
remediation
plan
is
is
under
the
defense
depot
memphis
tennessee
department
of
defense
facility,
and
it
will.
It
will
tell
you
about
the
the
six
inches
of
dirt
that
was
removed.
That
was
full
of
lead,
arsenic
and
mercury.
K
The
many
nuclear
warheads
that
were
actually
misplaced
in
the
community,
along
with
the
other
360
known
carcinogen
chemicals
and
also
the
type
of
chemicals
that
actually
kill
vegetation
and
people
used
in
chemical
weapons
and
war,
and
you
could
actually
see
that.
So
that's
where
you
can
go
is
there
a
particular
community
that
you
have
in
mind.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
yeah
the
question
was
specifically
related
to
the
examples
in
the
community
and
let
me
make
sure
I
understood
what
you
just
said.
You
just
referenced.
You
said
nuclear
warheads,
you
just
referenced
nuclear
warheads
in
your
testimony
to
this
committee.
Are
you
saying
that
in
memphis
tennessee
in
the
last
20
years
there
have
been
discoveries
of
nuclear
warheads
within
the
infrastructure
as
a
result
of
energy
infrastructure.
K
As
far
as
energy
infrastructure,
you
can
go
to
even
even
home
facts.
You
have
spills
in
spills
or
whatever,
where
you
can
actually
look
at
that
community
and
see
where
those
tanks
and
spills
were
and
what's
the
name
of
the
actual
polluting
facility.
That's
the
reason
why
I
like
home
facts,
because
people
need
to
know
where
their
homes
are
going
to
be
built
or
where
they
live
and
the
type
of
pollution.
A
A
We
have
the
carrier,
air
conditioning
plant,
the
piper
smalley
plow
works
and
then
washington
street
machine
shop,
which
is
frankly
1400
feet
from
my
house.
All
of
those
are
point
source
polluters.
We
also
have
a
crude
oil
pipeline
and
natural
gas
pipeline,
which
the
natural
gas
pipeline
runs
through
mod
community
to
serve
memphis's
needs
for
natural
gas.
A
H
And
the
chairman
of
the
committee-
thank
you
for
that
as
well.
I'll
say
that
some
some
communities
are
inundated
with.
I
think
the
point
is
that
some
communities
are
inundated
with
this.
You
know
pollution
and
so
forth,
and
it's
impacting
health
almost
in
real
time.
You
know,
and
yeah
pollution
obviously
is
everywhere,
and
I
think
that's
the
reason
that
we
have
people
here
that
are
telling
us
we
got
to
do
a
better
job
as
we
relate
to
our
waters,
our
land,
our
air,
being
polluted.
H
The
the
fascinating
thing
about
water,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
is
that
every
thing
has
to
have
water,
not
every
body,
but
everything
has
to
have
water
and
good
clean
water
is
invaluable.
You
think
gold
is
in
valuable,
platinum
or
plutonium.
This
is
another
try
being
without
water
for
any
length
of
time.
H
Okay,
that's
not
fair
to
us,
because
we
pay
all
the
taxes
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
simply
live.
We
want
industry,
every
community
wants
industry,
okay,
but
some
things
are
more
legal
than
others
in
your
addiction
community.
There
it's
nolan,
I
remember
on
60
minutes
there
was
a
cluster
of
people
having
cancer
in
your
community
some
time
ago.
It
went
around
the
world
and
went
around
the
country
because
of
what
was
happening
in
the
soil,
the
runoff,
the
pollution
by
industry.
H
Now
I
appreciate
you
all
reminding
us
in
which
some
of
us
keep
it
top
of
mind
who
you
work
for
who
we
work
for
okay,
who
we
work
for.
Are
the
citizens
across
the
state
of
tennessee?
Make
no
mistake
about
that?
That's
who
we
work
for
that's
who
sent
us
here.
That's
who
pay
all
the
bills,
that's
who
has
to
have
some
say,
an
impact
on
a
measure
of
this
nature
at
all
times,
not
just
today,
but
at
all
times,
and
but
I'm
not
saying
that
where
we
say
that
we're
going
to
run
representative.
I
B
B
B
I
K
K
All
of
those
things
add
up
to
break
down
public
health,
and
so
I
implore
you
to
understand
even
in
energy
infrastructure
going
through
memphis
there's
so
much
legacy
pollution
like
to
have
226
superfund
sites.
That
means
there's
226
remediation
plans.
That
means
that
they're
they're,
either
caps
or
or
in
some
places
where
they
just
removed
a
small
amount
of
dirt
and
left
the
pollution
there.
K
There
sometimes
there's
clay
caps
and
that
information
is
sometimes
lost
over
time,
and
so,
when
you
have
a
pipeline
come
through,
it
sometimes
re-exposes
the
community
all
over
again
with
the
actual
the
actual
building
of
the
infrastructure,
along
with
putting
pipelines
in
places
where
there
is
so
much
pollution
where
the
corrosion
effects
of
those
pipelines
are.
Are
that
normally
would
happen
without
pollution
around
will
also
increase,
and
that
make
it
more
more.
B
I
I
P
I
L
You
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
alison
stillman
and
I
am
a
property
owner
here
in
hendersonville
about
30
minutes
from
here.
I'm
also
business
owner,
and
I
work
with
a
lot
of
different
organizations
across
this
state
and
I'm
here,
because
I
feel
as
if
my
civil
liberties
are
at
a
threat
with
this
bill
that
my
right
to
choose
my
right
to
speak.
L
This
is
an
egregious
bill
that
looks
to
take
away
my
rights
as
a
voter
as
a
business
owner
as
a
property
owner
and
all
of
our
elected
officials
in
our
municipal
districts
and
to
me
that
just
doesn't
work
and
it
won't
end
here.
Should
you
decide
you
want
to
pass
this
and
take
away
my
rights
as
a
voter
as
a
business
owner
and
a
property
owner?
That's
not
okay
with
me,
and
I
came
here
to
voice
that
to
all
of
you
who
work
for
me
and
every
other
person
in
this
room.
L
P
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
chairman
vice
chairman
and
the
committee.
My
name
is
sarah
houston,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
protect
our
aquifer
and
our
mission
is
pretty
simple.
We
aim
to
protect,
preserve
and
conserve
the
memphis
and
aquifer
the
memphis
and
aquifer,
and
the
fort
pillow
aquifers
are
the
only
source
of
drinking
water
supply
to
west
tennessee,
1.5
million
tennesseans
they're,
also,
where
all
of
our
industrial
users
get
their
drinking
or
get
their
water
for
their
processes
and
any
agriculture
users
that
have
pivot
systems.
P
So
this
is
a
very
valuable
asset
to
west
tennessee.
You
know
I
recognize
that
this
bill
was
introduced
late
in
session.
We
normally
aren't
too
active
in
the
state
legislature,
but
you
know
we
felt
very
compelled
to
come
and
speak
to
this
and
work
on
this
issue
today.
You
know,
I
do
appreciate
the
amendments
we
have
seen
and
the
stakeholder
meeting
that
was
hosted
two
weeks
ago,
but
the
reality
is
that
this
bill
is
still
very
broad
and
in
a
basic
sense,
it
really
aims
to
preempt
local
decision
making
in
all
95
tennessee
counties.
P
Two
big
gray
areas
are
in
the
definitions
of
industrial
facilities
and
industrial
materials.
Those
are
very,
very
broad,
and
one
of
those
industrial
solvents
is
one
of
those
and
industrial
solvents
are
used
in
many
different
industries
and
energy
infrastructure
is
a
big
one,
and
I
think
that
the
intent
was
meant
well,
but
it
is
far
from
the
reality
of
what
this
bill
does
dictate.
P
Our
aquifer
is
a
major
asset
in
west
tennessee,
and
there
are
191
active
remediation
sites
right
now
throughout
that
area,
and
when
we're
talking
about
remediation,
you're,
never
cleaning
it
all
the
way
up.
You're
getting
the
majority,
there's,
usually
a
threshold
of
what
needs
to
be
close
to
cleaned
up,
and
we
have
currently
191
active
ones.
P
Many
of
these
are
polluted,
with
industrial
solvents,
leaking
gas
stations
and
underground
storage
tanks,
and
that's
the
items
in
this
build
that
would
be
excluded
from
that
type
of
local
say
and
that
type
of
local
siding
and
at
protector
aquifer.
You
know:
we've
got
ford
motor
company
coming
in
to
bring
in
a
historic
investment.
Their
sole
source
of
water
is
going
to
be
the
memphis
sand.
Aquifer
we're
going
to
see
massive
land
use
changes
throughout
west
tennessee,
and
we
envision
you
know
a
thriving
region
where
you've
got
new
businesses
coming
in.
P
You
have
old
businesses
thriving,
but
we
expect
these
entities
to
come
in
with
a
role
protecting
our
water
supply
and
the
truth
is
we
are
dealing
with
legacy
pollution
throughout
this
whole
region
and
we
need
responsible
growth,
not
unchecked
expansion.
This
bill
would
remove
so
much
of
that
opportunity
to
be
a
valuable
player
in
the
expansion
of
this
type
of
energy
infrastructure.
P
About
this
time
last
year
the
heliopipeline
we
found
out
there
was
actually
an
existing
pipeline
that
connected
point
a
at
the
diamond
cap,
the
diamond
pipeline
and
valero
to
point
b
at
the
cap
line.
There
was
an
existing
crude
oil
pipeline
there.
The
behalia
connection
did
not
ever
disclose
in
their
permitting
process
to
tdec
or
in
their
permitting
process
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
and
that
was
very
concerning
not
only
for
us
but
for
our
local
officials
and
for
our
state
regulators.
So
there
were
they.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
kent
minneau.
I
chair
the
sierra
club's
political
committee
in
knoxville,
tennessee
speaking
against
hh
246..
I
feel
that
this
legislation
is
in
response
to
the
mostly
conservative
folks
in
anderson
county,
near
knoxville,
who
have
come
together
to
advocate
for
the
proper
disposal
of
the
mountain
of
coal.
Ash
tva
is
piled
up
next
to
a
local
playground
where
the
containment
fabric
that
keeps
the
coal
ash
from
the
kids
had
been
ruptured,
forcing
temporary
closure
of
the
park.
Q
I
might
add
that
the
anderson
county
commission
has
unanimously
passed
a
resolution
in
fiery
opposition
to
this
bill.
I
think
the
bill
is
also
in
response
to
the
mostly
liberal
folks
in
shelby
county
who
came
out,
protested,
organized
and
campaigned
against
the
bahalia
pipeline
until
the
project
was
abandoned.
Let's
make
no
mistake.
This
proposed
legislation
is
also
about
the
bahalia
pipeline.
The
bull
run
coal
ash
pile
just
like
it's
about
tva's
attempt
to
use
eminent
domain
to
grab
land
in
areas
of
middle
tennessee
to
expand
gas
pipeline
infrastructure.
Q
The
fossil
fuel
industry
has
some
handy
tools
in
the
state
legislature
to
make
sure
that
the
citizens
of
this
state
won't
be
able
to
disrupt
their
plans
anymore.
They
don't
like
democracy,
they
don't
like
informed
public
opinion.
It's
just
too
inconvenient
for
them.
They've
clearly
noticed
that
voters
across
party
lines
support
investments
in
more
clean
energy
and
that
by
substantial
majorities,
they
also
want
oil
and
gas
companies
to
stop
using
this
moment
to
pad
their
already
huge
profits.
Q
Looking
at
recent
data
for
progress
survey,
I
see
that
conservatives
and
liberals
alike
consistently
pull
in
favor
of
reducing
greenhouse
gases
and
transitioning
to
renewables
like
solar
and
wind.
That's
why
these
framers
don't
want
either
conservatives
or
liberals
to
have
any
say
over
what
happens
in
their
own
backyards.
Q
Local
state
federal
power's
supposed
to
be
exercised
all
the
way
up
and
that's
why
these
people
came
to
this
room
today
to
make
sure
folks
have
a
say
in
all
95
counties
in
this
state.
I
think
the
framers
of
this
bill
know
that
too,
and
that's
why
they
rushed
the
bill
through
without
time
for
key
stakeholders
to
respond
or
even
realize
the
bill's
impacts.
Q
That's
why
both
the
original
amendment
and
the
revised
amendment
were
kept
out
of
public
view
for
several
days
on
the
legislature
website
when
you're
perpetrating
government
overreach,
you
don't
want
people
to
know.
As
a
sierra
club
volunteer,
I
work
with
tennesseans
of
all
political
stripes.
Liberals
and
conservatives
can
come
together
on
issues
we
all
care
about,
and
we
do
so
regularly
we're
doing
so
today
to
stop
a
bill
specifically
drafted
to
give
away
to
private
companies
the
power
of
self-determination
that
rightfully
belongs
to
the
people.
I
R
Just
I
did
have
some
questions
for
the
previous
panel.
That's
all
right,
I'll
ask
them
to
this
panel
because
I
wasn't
called,
but
can
you
speak
specifically?
You
know,
I
guess
my
questions
are
more
direct
on
this
aquifer
situation
and
I
get
this
argument
about.
You
know:
loss
of
rights
and
and
different
local
control
versus
state
control.
P
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Luckily,
there
is
no
current
proposed
pipeline,
so
we
do
not
have
any
specific
pipeline
on
the
books.
We
have
heard
that
they're
not
planning
to
come
back.
You
know
if
this
bill
were
to
pass,
we're,
not
sure
if
that
would,
but
depending
on
what
they're
going
to
be,
you
know
traveling
through
this
pipeline.
P
Usually
you
have
crude
oil
that
contains
constituents
like
benzene.
Benzene
is
very
harmful
to
human
health.
It
is
one
of
the
byproducts
of
crude
oil.
So,
after
you
know
a
leak
or
a
spill,
it
actually,
you
know,
floats
the
top
water,
but
then,
as
it
breaks
down,
those
chemical
constituents
actually
become
denser
than
water,
and
so
benzene
has
issues
with
lowering
your
red
blood
cell
count.
R
A
R
Pulling
water
from
the
aquifer,
so
I
guess
all
that
to
say
why,
in
your
opinion,
would
anyone
want
to
look
at
some
sort
of,
and
I
get
we
we
all
like
cheap
energy?
But
you
know
water
is
an
essential
life
element,
and
so
I
mean
what
would
happen
if
this
aquifer
was
polluted
or
it
was.
This
pipeline
was
brought
close
enough
to
the
awkward
if
the
pipeline
was
brought
close
enough
to
the
aquifer.
What
would
potentially
happen
to
the
city
of
memphis
and
the
entire
shelby
county
community.
P
We
definitely
would
have
concerns
with
human
health
first
and
foremost.
Secondly,
you
can
compromise
our
well
fields
and
each
municipal
well
costs
about
1
million
dollars
to
drill.
So
when
you're
talking
about
a
welfare
you're
talking
about
20
wells
and
that's
becomes
a
very
large
impact
to
municipal
ratepayers
water
rate
payers,
you
know,
taxpayers,
and
sometimes
it
comes
down
to
you
know
actually
trying
to
get
additional
funds
from
the
federal
government
to
just
deal
with
the
level
of
pollution.
We
have
a
lot
of
pollution
in
existence
in
shelby
county.
P
R
P
Absolutely
well
the
memphis
and
aquifer
we
are
blessed
with
incredible
geology
in
west
tennessee.
You
have
a
shallow
aquifer
system.
It's
not
the
greatest
kind
of
muddy
consistency.
You've
got
a
thick
clay
layer
that
actually
has
acted
a
protective
barrier
over
the
past
hundred
years,
and
then
you
have
this
memphis
and
aquifer
that
below
memphis.
It
starts
about
400
feet
below
ground,
and
it
is
some
of
the
cleanest,
most
pristine
water
in
the
country
that
fell
as
rain
2
000
years
ago.
So
a
lot
of
this
is
pre-industrial
pollution.
P
Water,
the
mississippi
river,
is
a
beautiful
body
of
water,
but
it
contains
about
every
man-made
chemical
constituent
you
could
possibly
imagine
and
just
from
an
economic
perspective,
it's
very
expensive
to
treat
surface
water
compared
to
pulling
it
up
from
the
aquifer.
Doing
a
little
aeration
do
a
little
chlorination
and
send
it
onto
our
houses.
So
economically,
it's
also
much
less
expensive
to
maintain
groundwater
systems
when
the
aquifer
is
not
polluted
than
if
you
were
to
have
a
surface
water
system.
H
P
A
great
question
I
should
have
brought
a
little
demonstration
table
do
a
lot
of
education.
One
gallon
of
crude
oil
can
contaminate
a
million
gallons
of
groundwater,
and
you
think
about
just
how
water
spreads
it
gets
less
and
less
you
know
concentrated,
but
still
any
amount
of
that
kind
of
chemical
that
you
intake
into
your
body
is
going
to
cause
harm,
so
it
can
pollute
a
much
larger
amount
of
groundwater.
H
P
I
don't
necessarily
there
have
been
figures
that
show
that
actually,
the
most
prevalent
leaks
and
pipelines
are
actually
happening
in
pipelines
that
have
been
built
within
the
past
10
years.
So
it's
kind
of
counter
intuitive.
What
you'd
think
older
infrastructure
is
leaking,
but
some
of
these
newer
materials
are
actually
leaking
more
frequently.
H
P
There
is
data
on
that,
and
so
the
majority
of
data
revolves
around
major
leaks.
So
any
spills,
but
really
our
biggest
concern,
is
an
undetected
leak
and
the
colonial
pipeline
that
goes
out
to
the
east
coast.
There
was
an
undetected
leak
in
that
that
eventually
spilled
over
a
million
gallons
of
refined
gasoline,
and
it
was
children
in
the
woods
playing
that
stumbled
upon
this
puddle
of
gasoline
and
it
went
undetected
all
the
monitoring.
Detections
did
not
pick
this
up,
because
there
wasn't
a
significant
drop
in
pressure.
P
P
F
You
know
you
want
clean
rivers,
streams,
creeks
lakes,
everything
so
and
and-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
the
argument
here
between
you
know
that
and
and
the
positive
things
about
the
bill
are,
you
know
what's
more
valuable,
do
we?
How
are
we
going
to
balance
getting
energy
supply
versus
protecting
our
natural
resources
and
I'm
going
to
leave
it
at
that
right
now?
But
that's
that
seems
to
be
the
biggest
argument.
Thank
you.
I
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
well
lost
unpacked
a
couple
things
I
heard.
One
thing
I
heard
from
one
of
the
testifiers
at
the
beginning
is
that
the
pipelines
create
brownfields.
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
one
of
the
greatest
plants
god
ever
gave
us
that's
the
hemp
plant.
It
can
actually
reclaim
a
brownfield
just
want
y'all
to
know
that.
C
I
do
agree
with
the
representative
from
from
davidson
county
that,
depending
on
what
side
of
the
island
what
the
bill
is,
we
use
the
whole
notion
of
given
local
control,
but
when
you
were
what
we
heard
from
all
those
half
dozen
or
so
testifiers
is
that
we've
taken
so
much
local
control
away
from
them
that
it's
egregious
to
the
people,
and
I'm
just
wondering,
can
you
can
you
kind
of
talk
us
through
in
the
committee?
What
does
that
mean?
A
A
A
A
So
when
we
hear
about
the
setback,
if
a
community
wants
to
provide
reasonable
setbacks
that
don't
result
in
a
de
facto
prohibition,
they're
able
to
do
so
again
with
regards
to
the
aquifer-
and
let
me
say,
the
memphis
sands
aquifer
is
a
gift
from
god.
It's
unbelievable
and
it
has
been
it
has
endured
in
spite
of
all
of
the
industry
and
all
of
the
activities
and
all
of
the
fuel
stations
and
all
of
the
pipelines.
All
that
run
on
top
of
it,
it
still
endures
and
it's
still
providing
a
fabulous
resource
to
the
community.
A
Wellhead
protection
is
also
a
zoned
legislative
act
that
a
local
that
a
local
political
jurisdiction
can
utilize
to
control
this,
and
then
on
top
of
it.
We
went
on
on
top
of
that.
We
also
added
that
a
local
action
arising
from
authority
granted
to
administer
a
program
in
lieu
of
the
t
deck
so
if
tdec
tells
a
local
community,
you
need
to
do
this.
A
A
A
C
Mr
chairs
kind
of
thank
you
that
kind
of
clears
up
some
for
me.
I
do
have
further
questions
where
I
have
to
put
things
in
perspective
for
me
to
kind
of
understand
it.
So,
chairman
vaughn,
with
your
your
indulgence
where
I
live
I'd,
I
dug
a
water
line
4000
feet
from
the
main
road,
and
I
live
way
up
on
a
mountain.
C
My
boys
and
I
worked
for
several
weeks
to
make
sure
this
happened
in
the
water
line.
That's
almost
a
mile
long,
and
since
it
though
the
last
2
000
feet
of
it,
goes
straight
up
a
mountain
we
put
fail-safes
in,
we
call
them
a
check
valve
in
case
there
was
an
issue,
so
there
wasn't
a
backup,
since
I'm
on
the
mountain,
all
that
water
will
be
pushing
back
down.
C
I'm
wondering
chairman
bond
with
your
legislation.
Is
it
part
of
the
requirements
if
we're
going
to
have
these
pipelines
and
what
are
the
fail
safes
so
about
three
or
four
weeks
ago?
It
had
been
raining
for
a
week
in
the
smoky
mountains.
A
ups
truck
got
in
some
soft
dirt,
close
to
a
driveway
down
at
the
end,
and
somehow
he
got
buried
so
deep
that
he
actually
broke
my
water
line
because
he
was
trying
to
get
out
and
broke
the
water
on
anyway.
C
We
didn't
lose
all
the
water
going
up
because
we
had
a
fail
safe
on
it.
A
check
valve
was
what
we
would
call
it
in
your
legislation.
Does
your
legislation
prohibit
cities,
municipalities,
local
governments
from
putting
in
correct
fail-safe
check
valves
whatever
they
call
them
for
a
fossil
fuel
pipeline.
R
A
It
depends
on
what
that
zoning
change
is
if
they
provide,
if
it's
a
de
facto
prohibition,
they
change
zoning
immediately
just
to
keep
that
pipeline
from
occurring,
then
that's
not
allowed.
But,
however,
if
they
want
to
say
that
pipelines
are
restricted
to
this
area
under
these
conditions
and
people
come
in
and
do
what
they
what
they
need
to
do
and
meet
those
guidelines,
then
it
doesn't
preempt
them
from
doing
that.
Does
that
make
sense
they
can
exert,
they
can
exert
influence
and
control,
but
they
cannot
outright
prohibit
or
de
facto
prohibit.
A
A
When
a
pipeline
was
laid,
the
area
around,
it
may
not
be
residential,
but
it
may
be
residential.
Today
we
carried
legislation
last
year
that
dealt
with
developers
having
to
notify
planning,
comm
planning,
boards
of
and
pipeline
companies
of
when
pipe,
when
developments
were
happening
near
them,
so
that
everybody
could
work
together,
and
this
this
bill
primarily
is
a
coexistence
bill.
A
It's
that's
what
it
really
tends
to
it's
it's.
It
acknowledges
the
fact
that
there's
energy
infrastructure,
that's
critical
to
supply
our
citizens
needs,
but
it
also
gives
the
influence
of
the
of
the
routing
and
sighting
and
the
construction
methodology
to
those
communities
still
by
the
fact
that
we're
not
preempting
all
zoning.
This
is
not
giving
a
carte
blanche
to
pipelines.
What
it's
doing
is
it's
giving
and
by
the
way
it
affects
just
so
clear.
It
deals
with
much
more
types
of
energy
structures
than
just
pipelines.
A
R
If
I
mean
I've
heard
basically
testimony
here,
if
we
had
a
disruption
because
of
these
pipelines
or
because
of
these
different
energy
sources,
I
don't
think
you
can
any
any
further.
You
would
be
able
to
have
coexistence,
because
you
would
have
people
that
can
no
longer
live
in
certain
communities
because
of
a
disruption
to
their
water
and
other
environmental
consequences,
and
I
guess
that's
my
biggest
concern.
I
just
want
to
share
something
that
happened
in
my
district
is
several
years
ago
there
was
the
columbia
pipeline.
It
was
a
company
out
of
houston
american
company.
R
They
wanted
to
expand
their
pipeline
footprint
and
for
whatever
reason
they
decided,
they
wanted
to
put
one
of
their
compressor
stations.
In
my
district,
there
were
a
lot
of
different
places
they
could
select.
They
could
have
selected
that
would
not
have
been
in
an
urban
environment
that
would
have
been
far
away
from
people,
but
they
wanted
to
put
in
an
urban
environment
because
it
was
easier
for
that
company
to
tend
to
a
gas
compressor
station.
R
R
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know,
I
think
you
the
it's,
been
an
implication
about
that
that
this
bill
will
also
help
to
control
the
cost
of
oil
and
gas
in
our
society,
and
I
know
this
is
a.
This
is
the
political
issue
we
hear
year
after
year
this
year.
You
know
people
in
the
majority
party
here
like
to
say
that
our
you
know,
president,
not
allowing
the
canadian
pipeline
is
causing
gas
prices
to
go
way
up.
F
I
remember
in
2008
we
democrats
were
yelling
at
the
at
the
at
the
republicans
for
for
gas
prices
going
up.
Then
you
know,
but
quite
frankly,
gas
prices
primarily
are
it's
a
global
commodity.
That's
caused
by
a
lot
of
different
things
happening
throughout
the
world.
When
opec
decides
they
want
to
reduce
supply.
Our
prices
go
up.
When
russia
decides,
they
want
to
start
a
war
prices.
Go
up.
F
F
F
I
think
there's
just
way
too
many
questions
here
I
mean
and
again
we're
taking
away
local
input
from
or
reducing
the
rights
of
people
in
their
localities,
we're
taking
way
rights
to
to
redress
of
grievances
to
to
allow
them
to
to
to
do
that.
Now
I
understand
in
actually
I
really
do
understand
both
sides,
but
this
is
getting
too
complicated.
F
Look
at
all
the
details
of
this,
and
I
would
hope
that
maybe
we
could
pause
this
bill
have
a
a
good
study.
Hopefully
it
has
her
study
and
bring
it
back
to
to
us
at
a
later
time.
This
is
not
an
emergency.
We
don't
have
an
emergency,
this,
that's
a
virgin
c
situation.
This
can
we,
and
I
think
thoughtful
study
would
would
benefit
us
all
in
the
long
run.
O
You,
mr
chairman,
in
2020
this
nation
was
energy
independent
and
a
comment
was
just
made
that
we
are
now
dependent
on
opec
and
russia
and
that
that
is
why
we
see
the
fluctuation
of
energy
and
gases
prices
and
that's
absolutely
true,
but
that
was
not
the
case
in
2020
when
this
nation
was
completely
energy
independent.
We
are
now
dependent
on
opec,
our
negotiation
with
the
saudis
and
russia,
which
is
driving
our
energy
prices,
and
this
put
us
on
the
verge
of
an
energy
recession.
O
So
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
when
we
have
all
this
the
hyperbole
from
the
from
the
presenters.
It's
sometimes
important,
just
to
go
to
the
facts
and
you
go
to
the
federal
government
for
some
of
those
facts.
According
to
the
united
states,
department
of
transportation
per
the
department
of
transportation
pipelines
are
the
safest
mode
of
energy
and
transportation
accident.
I'm
reading
directly
accidents
are
rare.
O
According
to
the
most
recent
numbers
available,
99.697
99.99999.7
of
gas
and
crude
oil
is
moved
safely
through
interstate
transmission
pipelines
and
from
the
national
transportation
board
of
safety.
It
shows
pipelines
make
up
one
100.01
percent
of
all
transportation
accidents
in
the
u.s.
According
to
the
department
of
u.s
department
of
transportation,
the
transportation
of
oil
and
gas
through
a
pipeline
is
a
much
safer
mode
of
transportation
than
rail
tanker
or
truck.
So,
mr
chairman,
sometimes
it's
just
important
to
go
to
the
facts
and
forza
our
u.s
department
of
transportation.
Has
those
facts
listed.
Thank
you.
A
That
is
going
to
conclude
our
business
for
the
year
here
in
house.
Full
of
commerce
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
brilliant
legal
minds
of
jamie
shanks
and
matt
king
who
serve
us
well
here
during
our
committee.
Also,
love
and
middleton
dunn
does
great
work
on
our
behalf
ben
voitus,
our
trusty
research,
analyst
owen,
rosenberg
my
right
hand
over
there,
addison
and
jack,
who
are
our
clerks,
mr
rubin
sanders
our
sergeant-at-arms
capably
keep
in
order
amongst
us,
and
then
our
subcommittee
chairs,
dennis
powers
and
clark
board.
A
B
A
B
A
A
B
A
We
know
that
he
and
the
silver
fox
will
be
doing
their
thing
all
over
all
over,
never
mind
we're
just
gonna
go
move
on
and
they
will
be
enjoying
retirement,
they
will
be
enjoying
retirement
and
we
are
going
to
adjourn
we're
going
to
close
this
committee
subject
to
the
call
of
the
chair.
So
I
can
crawl
under
this
desk.