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House Business and Utilities Subcommittee - March 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 3
A
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today
is
wednesday
march
the
9th
2022
it
is
3
36
p.m.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
business
utility
subcommittee,
madam
clerk,
can
you
call
the
roll
please
representatives.
A
Mr
chairman,
you
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Before
we
get
started
today,
do
any
of
the
members
have
a
personal
order?
I'd
actually
like
to
recognize
folks.
If
you
haven't
met
my
my
beautiful
wife,
she
was
able
to
come
join
me
today.
The
kids
are
or
at
the
grandparents.
So
she
wanted
to
come
down
here
today
and
see
how
democracy
was
done
so
jd
if
you'll
stand
up
and
you'll
make
her
feel
welcome.
A
If
there's
no
other
personal
orders
we'll
handle
a
couple
of
administrative
items,
item
number
two
is
off
notice
and
because
this
is
the
third
calendar,
it
is
referred
to.
The
special
calendar
item
number
seven
has
been
taken
off
a
notice
and,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
that
brings
us
to
our
calendar
today
and
item
number.
One
is
house
bill
2321
by
later
lambert.
A
C
A
Zero,
that
is
what
I'm
showing
do.
We
have
a
motion
and
second,
on
the
amendment
we
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
leader,
language,
you're,
recognized
on
your
amendment
and.
C
Mr
chairman,
since
it
makes
the
bill,
would
the
committee
bind
putting
the
amendment
on
and
then
I
can
describe
what
it
does?
Members.
A
We're
voting
to
put
amendment
zero
one,
four,
nine
six,
zero
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say.
No.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill
leader
lambeth.
You
recognized
on
your
bill
as
amended
famous
chairman.
C
And
so
leader
gant-
and
I
stand
here
together
as
co-sponsors
of
this
bill
with
many
others.
Our
are
our
cooperatives
in
general.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
too
historical
here,
but
our
cooperatives
have
always
filled
a
void
in
our
society
when
it
came
to
electricity,
our
co-ops
stepped
forward,
and
they
formed
groups
together
with
their
community
and
they
paid
to
make
sure
that
electricity
would
come
to
areas
of
our
state.
That
would
not
otherwise
happen.
The
same
thing
happened
with
telephones
and
the
same
thing
is
happening
today
for
broadband.
C
There
are
large
companies
that
are
doing
a
great
job
servicing
a
vast
vast
portions
of
our
state,
but
there
are
always
going
to
be
pockets
of
our
state
that
are
rural,
that
are
smaller
communities
that,
quite
frankly,
it
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
business
sense
to
go
into
those
communities.
It
takes
a
lot
of
line
being
laid.
It
takes
a
lot
of
distance
to
get
out
to
some
of
the
houses
where
I
live
and
where
many
of
you
live.
C
Almost
there
they're
not
quite
there,
and
I
know
that
may
be
a
topic
of
discussion
in
a
few
moments.
We'll
have
some
maps
soon
that
will
show
exactly
who
is
unserved
and
hopefully
underserved
in
this
state
eagerly
awaiting
those
maps.
That's
something
we
all
funded
last
year
because
we
want
to
know
exactly
who
has
not
served,
but
in
our
community
because
of
the
cooperatives
and
because
of
their
hard
work
and
investment.
C
All
of
our
community
will
be
served
very
soon.
That's
what
I
want
for
all
of
your
communities,
that's
what
we
want
as
part
of
this
bill
and
I'm
confident
that
it
would
help
and
not
that
it
matters
to
us
here
in
the
house.
But
I
will
say
that
this
came
through
the
senate
commerce
committee
unanimously
this
week,
so
it
came
through
8-0,
and
so
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
stand
ready
for
questions
and
for
consideration
of
this
important
bill
to
the
committee.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
leader,
lambreth
and
leader
gant,
for
all
the
hard
work
you
know
I
I
know
how
much
work
you've
put
into
this
and
I
really
appreciate
it
and
the
co-ops.
You
know
they're.
We
are
very
fortunate
in
this
state
to
have
the
co-ops
that
we
have.
They
do
a
vital,
vital
job
for
for
our
citizens
and
and
mr
knott
does
a
fantastic
job
for
the
co-ops,
and
we've
spent
a
lot
of
quality
time
together
over
the
last
couple
weeks.
D
But,
like
he
mentioned,
there's
the
maps
should
be
out
shortly.
Members
ecd
is
in
the
process
and
hopefully,
over
the
next
few
weeks,
we'll
have
some
preliminary
maps
and
and
the
final
no
later
than
august.
I
believe
is
that
correct.
C
Sir,
mr
chairman-
and
that
is
my
understanding-
that
we
should
have
them.
If
not
august
I
mean
early
fall,
I
mean
it's.
The
hope
is
that
we
would
have
them
no
later
in
august
and
definitely
some
preliminary
maps
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
and
we've
invested
literally
millions
of
the
taxpayer
dollars
in
order
to
be
able
to
obtain
those
maps
so
that
we
know
exactly-
and
my
hope
is-
that
those
maps
get
down
to
literally
a
house
to
house
detail.
That's
what
has
happened
in
georgia.
D
Our
goal
is
to
have
broadband
in
all
95
counties,
but
I
would
like
to
see
those
maps
before
we
and
we're
with
you,
but
we
really
need
to
see
those
maps,
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
send
this
not
to
a
what
we
know.
As
a
summer
study
kicking
the
can
down
the
road,
but
once
we
get
the
maps
I
would
like
to.
Of
course
it's
up
to
the
chairman's
discretion
is
to
get
the
committee
together
when
the
maps
are
finalized.
A
C
Sorry,
the
only
thing
I
would
ask
is
that
at
some
juncture
in
the
near
future,
if
we
could
get
a
date
for
that
special
called
meeting
whenever
those
maps
come
out,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
would
love
to
participate
in
that
particular
meeting
and
my
understanding
the
motion
was
to
go
to
a
special
called
meeting
not
to
an
amorphous
kind
of
summer
study,
even
though
I
realized
that's
a
vernacular
we
use.
C
A
You,
leader
lamberth.
I
look
forward
to
that
meeting.
I
hope
it's
warm
and
sunny
and
sometime
in
july.
Maybe
all
right.
Thank
you
chairman
members,
next
up.
Well,
actually
we
need
to
a
little
housekeeping
item.
I
told
you
all
that
item
number
seven
has
been
taken
off
a
notice
and
I
need
to
specify
that,
because
that
is
its
third
calendar,
it
too
is
referred
to
the
special
calendar.
D
Train
technologies
has
a
large
manufacturing
facility
in
my
district,
employs
1500
constituents.
D
Well,
I
should
say,
representative
hodges
and
in
my
county
and
carrier
employs
over
1800
employees
in
chairman
vaughn's
district
and
the
industry
statewide
employs
over
40
000
people.
What
this
bill
does.
It
simply
allows
manufacturers
of
hvac
products
to
use
refrigerant
appear
approved
by
the
u.s
environment,
environmental
protection
agencies.
D
A
Thank
you
speaker
johnson,
for
that
explanation.
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
question
has
been
called.
If
there's
no
objection,
we
are
voting,
send
house
bill
1876
to
full
commerce,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no
eyes
have
it.
Sir.
Your
bill
is
on
its
way
to
full
commerce
and
speaker
johnson.
It
looks
like
you're
number
four,
the
next
next
one
on
the
calendar
and
that's
house
joint
resolution,
zero.
Seven,
nine
six.
A
D
You,
mr
chairman
house,
joint
resolution,
796,
is
urging
resolution
to
our
congressional
delegation.
D
Members,
tennessee
and
alaska
are
the
only
two
places
in
the
united
states
that
mine,
zinc
and
together
they
produce
more
zinc
than
anywhere
in
the
world.
D
D
They're
used
for
it's
used
mainly
in
semiconductors
transistors,
electronic
devices,
fiber
fiber,
optics,
microwave
circuits
and
lasers.
That's
that's
just
a
few,
but
presently
since
there's
no
place
in
the
united
states
to
process
when
we
buy
this
material,
we're
buying
it
from
china
or
not
all
of
it,
but
the
majority
of
it's
coming
from
china.
A
Speaker
johnson,
thank
you
for
that
that
detailed
explanation,
your
resolution
members
do
we
have
any
questions.
Representative
thompson.
You
were
recognized.
B
D
D
D
And
so.
E
A
A
F
Good
to
see
you
all
what
an
esteemed
looking
group
I'll
tell
you
house
bill
2267.
This
legislation
clarifies
that
an
auctioneer
is
not
considered
a
facilitator
for
purposes
of
the
online
marketplace,
facilitator
act
and
just
a
little
bit
of
context.
The
online
marketplace
facilitator
act
was
put
into
place
to
level
the
playing
field
between
online
retailers
and
brick
and
mortar
retailers.
An
unintended
consequence
of
the
act
was
the
auctioneers
were
that
auctioneers
were
technically
classified
as
facilitators,
making
the
auctioneer
the
seller.
F
A
Thank
you,
chairman
hicks,
for
that
explanation.
Members,
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none.
We
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
2267
to
full
commerce,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it,
sir.
Your
bill
is
on
its
way
to
full
commerce.
Thank
you,
chairman
committee
members.
Next
up
is
item
number
six,
that's
house
bill,
2434
by
chairman
farmer.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
members,
I
and
as
dr
speaker
johnson,
was
talking
a
second
ago.
I
was
thinking
myself
if
my
high
school
chemistry
teacher
my
sophomore
high
school,
been
half
as
interesting
as
that
I
might
have
passed
the
class.
That's
right.
I
appreciate
that.
A
That
is
what
I'm
showing
can't
get
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
amendment.
A
G
Members-
and
I
don't
want
everybody-
know
this-
this
isn't
a
short-term
rental
bill.
What
this
does
would
allow
for
homeowners
if
you
have
a
swimming
pool
or
some
unique
feature
of
your
property
you'd,
be
able
to
rent
that
out.
This
doesn't
allow
for
overnight.
It
doesn't
get
into
your
bedroom
or
anything,
but
it
would
use
like
a
pool
space.
G
Some
river
property
may
have
some
mountain
view,
or
just
some
some
area
that
somebody
could
come
in
and
rent
it
for
their
kids
birthday
party
or
or
a
high
school
graduation
party,
or
just
something
like
that,
but
it
opened
it
up
and
set
some
parameters
on
how
that's
done
within
our
locals.
So
this
is
a
very
short
explanation.
I'm
sure
we'll
get
some
questions,
but
that's
what
the
bill
does.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
am
going
to
withdraw
that
amendment.
So
if
it's
okay
with
you,
can
I
go
ahead
with
some
questions
and
some
comments?
Absolutely
you
recognize.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
farmer.
Thank
you
first
for
the
conversations
the
conference
calls
and
the
work
that's
been
done
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
based
on
my
concerns
on
the
bill.
The
concerns
were,
as
with
the
short-term,
rentals
and
again.
This
has
nothing.
H
This
is
not
has
has
nothing
to
do
with
short-term
rentals,
but
it
was
about
removing
the
local
control
for
those
who
who
wish
to
provide
certain
regulations
who
were
who
wish
to
limit
hours
and
the
certain
enforcement
that
will
go
along
with
that,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
empowering
the
locals
to
be
able
to
regulate
this,
because
that
is
extremely
important
and
as
you
and
I
discussed
those
communities
who
who
would
like
to
regulate
but
unfortunately
have
no
enforcement
mechanism
because
of
police
officers,
you
have
an
amendment
that
you'll
be
bringing
next
week
that
will
exempt
those
communities,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
engagement
and
concern
for
your
locals,
especially
your
communities.
H
Gattenberg
pigeon,
forge
and
severe
volando
had
concerns
and
you've
addressed
those.
So
I
appreciate
you
working
empowering
the
locals
to
be
able
to
regulate,
while
also
being
able
to
meet
what
could
be
a
need
and
certain
communities
will
be
able
to
adjust.
Based
on
the
flexibility
you
give
them
within
the
bill.
So
I
appreciate
the
efforts
and
I
will
support
the
bill.
Thank
you.
G
I
just
want
to
say
you
know,
and
and
thank
you
for
chairman
zachary.
I
know
you
worked
hard
on
this.
You
came
to
me
last
week
and
said:
hey
we've
got
some
problems
here,
so
we
got
together
and
spoke
with
our
communities
and
tried
to
try
to
meet
in
the
middle
just
as
best
we
could.
You
know
this
sets
out
guidelines
of
what
to
do.
We
are
a
little
ahead
of
the
game
right
here.
G
B
G
A
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
Do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor
questions
being
called
without
objection?
Members
we
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
2434
as
amended
to
full
commerce,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
no
eyes
have
it
bill's
on
its
way
to
full
commerce.
Thank.
A
A
B
Yes,
I'm
I'm
just
curious.
I
mean
this
is
for
a
landscaped
architect,
but
you
don't
mention
a
degree
in
landscape
architecture
on
this.
Do
you
or
have
I
missed
it
chairman
crawford,
recognized.
I
This
is
a
pathway
for
those
people,
the
the
landscape,
architects
and
those
that
have
the
architect
or
engineering
technology
degree
right
now
they
can't
even
take
the
test.
So
what
this
does
is
allow
them
to
get
the
master's
degree.
With
the
experience
they've
had
eight
years
or
more
to
be
able
to
take
the
professional
engineering
test.
That's
all
it
does.
It
doesn't
do
anything
as
far
as
making
them
it
just
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
take
the
test.
E
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
thank
chairman
crawford
for
bringing
this
in
a
an
economy
where
we
have
a
dire
need
for
all
sorts
of
labor,
but
engineers
are
always
one
of
the
places
that
we're
short
and
so
finding
ways
that
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
licensure,
while
also
giving
people
an
opportunity
to
you
know
better
themselves
through
their
work
experience.
E
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
had
I
had
initially
bristled
up
when
I
heard
about
this
bill,
because
I
think
I'm
the
only
member
of
the
general
assembly,
that's
a
licensed
professional
engineer,
and
so
I
was
concerned
that
they
were
cheapening.
The
licensure
that
I
worked
very
hard
for.
I
had
to
go
back
to
school
for
me
to
had
to
go,
let
engineering
sink
in
again
before
I
could
pass
the
test.
J
It's
that
hard
came
out
of
the
room,
blurry-eyed
and
dazed,
and
I
thought
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
act
that
cheapened
that
and
then
I
had.
I
was
called
on
by
members
of
the
registration
board
a
few
weeks
back,
and
they
explained
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
bill,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
fully
support
it
and
I
appreciate
chairman
crawford
for
bringing
it
now
I
was.
I
was
about
to
go
off,
half
baked
on
the
idea,
half
cocktail
or
whatever
you
want.
J
However,
you
want
to
call
it,
but
having
somebody
sit
down
and
go
through
it
with
me,
there
are
there's
a
cadre
of
individuals
out
there
that
through
circumstance,
they're
as
technically
qualified,
as
I
certainly
am
that
have
been
lost
through
the
procedures
of
the
engineering,
licensing
and
landscape
licensing
act,
and
so
this
allows
a
real
pathway
for
people
who
couldn't
meet
certain
early
on
hurdles,
and
so
I
I've
I've
gone
from
thinking
man.
I
can't
wait
to
vote
against
that
thing
to
man.
I
A
A
Next
up
is
item
number
10,
that's
house
bill
2073
by
representative
cochran
and
he
is
running
he's
in
another
committee.
So
we're
going
to
rolls
item
number
10
and
item
number
11,
two
spaces
we're
going
to
pick
up
on
item
number
12,
that's
house
bill,
2242
by
representative
ogles.
A
K
Yes,
thank
you,
chairman
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
four,
three.
K
A
K
Thank
you,
chairman
and
members.
This
piece
of
legislation
would
amend
the
commercial
building
code
section
to
say
that
the
the
state
fire
marshal
must
include
provisions
for
multi-level
commercial
residential
structure
relative
to
mitigating
structural
collapse
that
may
result
from
explosive
devices,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
methods
to
deter
entry
into
the
structure
from
a
motor
vehicle
and
members.
I
was
glad
to
see
this
week.
K
K
With
that
these
are
these
are
minimal
standards.
We've
construction
techniques
have
really
changed
the
last
couple
years
we
have
concrete
psis
that
have
increased,
there's
post-tension
slabs
the
new
design,
build
on
some
of
these
structures,
they're
able
to
span
enormous
lengths
with
glass
elements
with
very
little
hardening
or
structural
elements
that
would
deter
entry
from
motor
vehicles.
K
A
Thank
you
sponsor
for
that
explanation
of
the
amendment
members
we
are
on
the
amendment.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
see
none,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
to
put
amendment
014399
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no
eyes
have
it.
Your
bill
is
amended
representative
bogles.
Do
we
have
any
further
explanation
on
the
bill
as
amended.
A
A
L
A
Zero
one
four,
eight
five,
five.
All
right
can
I
get
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
amendment,
members
members,
we
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second
on
the
amendment.
So
representative
kawaki,
you
recognized
on
your
amendment.
Thank.
L
We
have
publicly
funded
entertainment
venue
defined
in
the
bill
and
so
just
to
just
to
read
through
that
for
a
second
receives
public
funds
of
the
state
or
political
subdivision
of
the
state
through
direct
or
indirect
allocations
grants
special
tax
districts
or
other
funding
mechanisms,
but
it
has
to
equal
to
or
exceed
five
percent
of
that
place
of
entertainment's
annual
budget,
and
so
so
that's
would
not
include
any
type
of
private
university
that
accepts
hope
scholarship.
L
That's
certainly
not
the
intent
of
the
legislation
so
that
they,
they
would
not
be
included
in
this,
but
essentially
saying
if
you
are,
if
you
are
an
entertainment
venue
that
is
supported
by
the
taxpayers,
if
your
doors
are
basically
being
kept
open
already
by
taxpayer
contributions,
you
can't
require
a
medical
procedure
for
entry.
You
can't
require
a
negative
test
and
I
know
they
already
can't
require
a
vaccine,
but
they
can
do
the
vaccine
or
negative
test.
But
this
kind
of
takes
that
off
the
table
for
a
publicly
funded
entertainment
venue.
L
One
other
thing
I
do
want
to
emphasize.
This
does
not
affect
any
any
current
contract
that
they
have
in
place,
so
anyone
who's
currently
contracted
to
to
to
perform
at
one
of
these
venues
cannot
affect
that
that
contract.
This
would
be
contracts
that
go
in
place
after
july,
1st
2022
and
so
so.
They're
moving
forward
also
just
a
piece
of
clarification.
L
If
it's
an
entertainment
venue
that
accepted
public
funds
15
years
ago
to
construct
their
building,
they
are
not
under
this.
So
if
you're
accepting
those
continual
public
funds
starting
july
1
2022
moving
forward,
this
will
be
in
the
covid
section
of
code
with
that
I'll
yield
to
any
questions.
Representative.
A
Cochran,
it
sounds
like
that
amendment
pretty
much
makes
the
bill,
so
is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?
Okay,
members,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
that
amendment
on
the
bill
before
we
start
taking
questions
on
it.
So
we
are
voting
to
put
amendment
zero
one.
Four,
eight,
five,
five
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor
say:
aye,
all
the
people
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
The
bill
is
amended
members.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
representative
hodges?
You
are
recognized.
I
L
You
very
much-
and
yes,
I
would
imagine
so
starting
that
july-
one
you
you'll
be
looking
at
that
at
that
previous
year,
at
a
tip
at
a
typical
year's
budget.
One
thing
I
want
to
point
out
representative
hodges
if,
in
speaking
with
tpack
and
others,
obviously
we
would
make
sure
that
it
would
not
include
that
covid
year
right
where,
where
a
budget
might
be
very
abnormally
low
and
that
particular
amount
of
public
funds
might
have
been
more
than
five
percent
that
year,
when
things
were
shut
down,
basically.
I
So
so,
if
the
titans
negotiate
a
deal
with
with
nashville
to
get
some
improvements
of
the
stadium,
and
for
that
one
year
the
funding
nashville
were
to
give
the
titans
might
exceed
five
percent
to
six
percent.
Would
they
would
then
be
affected
by
that
and
and
potentially
they
might
be
negotiating
with
the
nfl
for
for
a
super
bowl
and
in
that
super
bowl?
What
mail
to
be
played
here?
If,
if
that
that
was
to
happen,
correct
representative
cochran,.
L
Representative
to
my
knowledge,
the
nfl
does
not
require
a
negative
test
for
for
entry
into
their
venues.
The
titan
stadium
would
be
included
because
they're
in
a
special
tax
district.
So
so
that-
and
again
I
believe-
that's
already
probably
over
five
percent
just
because
they
benefit
from
that
special
tax
district.
But
to
my
knowledge,
the
nfl
has
no
rule
for
a
negative
test
for
entry.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
an
issue
representative.
I
And
they
don't
today
because
we're
we're
in
a
pretty
good
situation
right
now,
but
but
we've
all
seen
with
covid,
depending
on
what
variant's
out
the
nfl
might
might
start.
You
know
two
years
from
now
when
we
get
some
some
weird
strain,
but
thank.
L
L
We
we
we
made
sure
that
we
kind
of
made
it
through
that
tough
time
when,
when
coveted
was
uncertain
at
some
point
this
has
to
end
and
we
have
to
go
back
to
live
in
our
lives
and,
more
so
than
any
other
in
publicly
funded
entertainment
venues
where
the
taxpayers
of
this
state
are
already
supporting
them.
We've
got
to
go
back
to
life
as
normal.
A
E
A
The
bill
fails
next
up
is
item
number
eleven,
that's
house
bill,
2632
by
representative
cochran
representative.
Can
we
get
a
motion
or
a
second?
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
sec
representative
cochran,
you
are
recognized
and
it.
A
What
a
mimic
draft
code
are
you
showing.
L
A
L
You
very
much
so
so.
This
is
this
amendment
which,
which
makes
the
bill
currently
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
so
that
for
cell
phone
providers
that
provide
phones
for
those
who
may
be
underprivileged,
they
are
currently
regulated
by
the
fcc
in
most
states
states
will
that
those
will
be
regulated
at
a
state
level
which,
to
no
surprise,
is
a
little
bit
more
efficient
and
just
works
a
little
bit
better.
L
Tennessee
is
still
those
those
carriers
are
still
regulated
by
the
federal
government.
This
bill
would
just
say
that
they
are
regulated
by
the
public
utilities,
commission
and
then
so
that
way,
if
others
again
for
licensing
purposes,
that
sort
of
thing
it
just
goes
more
efficiently
quicker.
When
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
the
federal
government,
that's
not
a
huge
surprise,
so,
just
kind
of
following
the
trend
of
other
states.
This
will
regulate
it
at
a
state
level,
rather
than
the
federal
level
which
we
have
the
power
to
do.
A
Thank
you,
representative
cochran,
for
that
explanation.
Members
do
we
have
any
questions
on
the
amendment,
if
not
we're
voting,
to
put
amendment
zero,
one
four
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
The
bill
is
amended
and
we
are
back
on
the
bill
representative
cochran.
If
you
have
any
further
explanation,
no.
A
F
F
When
they
started
creating
these
districts
for
water
to
utilize
utility
water,
they
would
only
come
so
far,
as
I'm
sure
everybody
knows
what
we've
run
into
in
my
district.
My
area
is
that
if
a
water
line
comes
up
so
far,
and
then
it
stops-
and
there
may
be
some
houses
over
here
in
another
district-
that
they
can't
service
because
that's
they're
not
in
their
district,
what
this
bill
would
do.
F
F
That's
the
intent
of
the
bill.
That's
all
it
does.
It
come
to
me
from
a
constituent
in
a
very
rural
area.
Most
of
a
lot
of
our
people
are
still
on
wells,
and
some
of
these
wells
are
they're
not
running
dry,
but
they're
running
low.
I've
experienced
that
with
two
two
different
homes
that
I
lived
in,
but
this
would
just
give
a
tool
for
the
district
to
use
to
give
water
to
these
homes.
If,
if
it's
close
by.
A
F
B
F
A
Members
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor?
If
not,
we
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
2518
to
full
commerce,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no
eyes
have
it.
Your
bill
is
on
its
way
to
full
commerce
in
here.
A
D
A
C
A
A
A
Is
what
I'm
showing?
Can
I
get
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
amendment
members?
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
representative
powell,
you're
recognized
on
your
amendment.
Please.
M
M
M
A
lot
of
states
have
been
pretty
forward
thinking
and
some
of
the
different
things
they've
done
and
have
attracted
a
lot
of
different
tech
companies
and
banking
healthcare
that
different
industries
that
are
utilizing
blockchain,
and
so
we
appreciate
chairman
powers,
has
an
interest
in
this
as
well
met
with
university
of
tennessee,
and
they
expect
expressed
interest
in
working
with
us
in
developing
a
blockchain
conference,
and
so
essentially
that's
what
this
does.
M
A
A
Members
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
vote
to
put
a
member
014-982
on
the
bill
before
we
take
any
questions.
So
all
in
favor
of
adding
that
amendment
to
the
bill
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it.
So
your
bill
is
amended
members.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
his
bills,
amended
see
none.
We
are
voting
to
send
house
bill
2643
as
amended
to
full
commerce,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it,
sir.
A
M
Chairman
with
your
indulgence,
if
I
could,
could
I
roll
this
to
the
heel
of
the
calendar
if
you
get
to
the
heel,
come
back
and
present
on
it,
but
I
had
some
folks
who
want
to
talk
on
this
piece
of
legislation.
So
I'll
hang
here
if
necessary,
I
can
present
on
it,
but
was
hoping
they
could
be
here.
If
not,
if
that's
possible,
I'd
like
to
roll
this
to
the
heel.
A
A
Next
up
is
item
number
19,
that's
house
bill
2811
and
that's
representative
hardaway,
okay,
representative
hardway
is
coming
in
to
run
that
and.
A
A
A
N
Mr
chairman,
the
folks
who
brought
me
this
bill
are
small
businessmen
and
if
the
committee
would
be
so
kind
that,
like
for
the
the
witnesses
to
be
heard,
they
came
in
from
memphis
to
talk
about
this
bill
and
why
they
need
it.
A
Members
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
and
I
would
like
to
invite
trini
williams
and
dr
joe
greer
to
come
on
up
here
and
and
take
a
seat.
Please
and
then.
A
And
mr
george
boynton
from
the
property
assessor's
office,
if
he's
here
and
if
y'all
will
take
a
seat
and
and
just
be
sure
to
make
sure
your
microphone
is
on
state
your
name
for
the
record.
A
We
we
do
have
a
time
limit
of
five
minutes,
and
so
we
try
to
wrap
it
up
by
then
we
we
might
need
to
cut
it
off
and
if
we
take
any
questions
just
to
let
you
know
since
we're
in
a
committee,
all
questions
and
comments
will
go
through
the
chair,
but
we'll
start
off
with
go
ahead
with
an
introduction.
Please.
O
O
So
I
started
looking
around
for
ways
to
promote
that
area
and
to
try
to
draw
these
particular
people
to
the
area
to
indeed
invest
in
the
area,
and
when
I
looked
at
the
downtown
memphis
commission,
I
realized
that
they
were
charged
with
the
idea
of
marketing
promoting
and
developing
downtown
memphis,
and
I
thought
well.
That
would
be
great
to
have
such
a
commission
out
in
that
my
particular
area.
O
Lamar
airways
and
park-
and
so
I
set
about
trying
to
find
out
how
to
make
that
happen,
and
I
talked
with
representative
hardaway
and
a
talk
with
some
people
from
the
assessor's
office
to
try
to
see
what
is
the
path
toward
getting
something
like
that
commission
done
to
offer
incentives,
either
by
way
of
grants
or
offer
incentives
by
way
of
tax
credits
or
offer
incentives.
By
way
of
pilot
programs
that
will
be
administered
by
a
commission
made
up
of
the
people
in
that
particular
community
and
that's
how
this
bill
began
to
evolve.
P
We
have
a
few
in
shelby
county
tennessee,
but
we
realized
that
they're
not
targeted
towards
the
particular
constituency,
neighborhood
and
small,
and
local
based
businesses
that
dr
greer
was
advocating
for,
and
we
were
able
then
to
connect
him
with
representative
hardaway,
who
has
been
our
champion
and
our
advocate
throughout
the
process
and
he's
been
able
to
assist
us
in
drafting
language.
P
That
would
allow
the
industrial
development
act,
which
had
a
section
that
encouraged
small
and
minority
participation
to
actually
get
a
purpose-driven
vehicle
together
for
that
cause,
which
would
free
up
the
existing
idbs
to
focus
on
out-of-town
large
industrial
recruitments,
while
giving
something
to
local,
community-based
women
and
small
business
entities.
And
this
thing
is
great
and
definitely
want
to
pass
the
mic
over
to
a
business
owner.
That
would
hugely
benefit.
Q
Good
afternoon
I'm
trini
williams,
I'm
a
publisher
in
memphis,
silverstar
news
and
also
president
of
the
lamar
waste
park,
business
association,
and
you
know
that
area
we
are,
if
you
know
lamar,
it
is
actually
highway
78.
So
it
transpires
from
mississippi
going
over
to
arkansas,
and
then
airways
boulevard
comes
from
I'm
sorry
from
mississippi
and
arkansas,
and
also
aries
boulevard
from
mississippi
on
into
tennessee,
and
the
park.
Avenue
also
is
parallel
to
lamar,
but
also
includes
a
university
of
memphis.
Q
So
we
have
the
area
there.
We've
done
some
development
with
the
airport
depot
with
memphis
international
airport,
but
this
is
the
middle
that
combines
between
the
airport
and
downtown
and
the
fairgrounds
and
all
these
other
areas
and
we're
looking
forward
to
having
some
development
there.
My
family's
business
has
been
there
for
over
three
decades
and
we've
had
some
substantial
growth
ourselves,
but
we
want
to
do
whatever
we
can
with
the
lamarrways
park
association
to
get
as
many
other
businesses
in
to
bring
some
new
industries
in
bring
some
new
jobs
and
opportunities
there,
and
it
is.
A
Gentlemen,
we
appreciate
you
coming
to
talk
today,
members,
while
we're
out
of
session,
do
we
have
any
questions
for
our
for
our
friends
testifying
today.
A
If
not,
gentlemen,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
to
talk
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members.
We
are
going
back
in
session
and
we
are
back
on
house
bill.
2812.,
representative
hardway,
you
were
recognized
on
your
bill.
Thank
you,
chairman.
N
A
J
I
would
is
there
not
of
are
you
creating
new
vehicles,
or
are
there
already
existing
programs
within
ecd
that
could
be
utilized
for
this,
or
are
you
asking
and
I'm
sorry
for
for
not
being
up
to
speed
on
this,
or
are
you
asking
for
funding
to
to
be
put
towards
these
uses
inside
of
vehicles
that
already
exist
within
today's
code?
That's
right
pardon
me
for
for
asking
that
elementary
of
a
question
representative
hardware.
You
recognize.
A
N
You,
mr
chairman,
and
that's
a
great
question.
The
the
vehicle
does
not
exist
for
small
businesses.
The
vehicle
does
exist
for
these
large
corporations
for
attracting
them
or
for
their
expansion
in
the
community.
So
we
will
use
the
what
is
currently
the
same
type
of
vehicle,
except
it
will
be
for
small
businesses.
N
J
Yes,
sir,
and
and
I'm
I'm
sorry
to
be
confu,
I
I'm
legit
confused
with
this
because
and
I
understand
the
contrast,
because
large
employers
bring
a
lot
more
revenue
and
a
lot
less
risk,
and
so
from
that
standpoint
it's
easy
to
understand
the
payback
on
the
incentives.
But
in
a
vehicle
like
this.
J
What
is
the
money
going
to
be
used
for
for
small
businesses
it
because
then
it
becomes
a
lot
riskier
venture
and
the
the
failures
of
small
business
me
being
a
small
businessman.
I
can
tell
you
they
come
and
go
I'm
concerned
about
whether
or
not
this
is
a
an
investment
vehicle
that
the
state
would
put
money
into
like
a
incentive
like
an
incentive
program,
or
is
it
more
like
a
grant
program
for
startup
capital?
That's
what
I'm
that
that's,
where
I'm
struggling
with
this,
and
and
is
that
really?
Is
that
really
our
mission?
N
Thank
you
chairman,
and
yes,
it's
more
of
the
latter,
a
grant
for
startup
capital.
After
that,
then
it
will
sustain
itself
and
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
come
back
to
the
state
to
fill
in
any
financial
gaps.
Now
I
will
remind
all
of
my
colleagues
that
small
businesses
are
the
backbone
of
america,
certainly
in
the
inner
city-
and
I
will
cite
one
instance-
electrolux
gigantic
failure.
N
We
could
have
taken
that
money
and
put
a
thousand
small
businesses
through
for
the
next
hundred
years.
However,
we're
not
asking
for
what
they
ask
for
we're
not
going
to
be
giving
the
small
businesses
what
they
got.
The
small
businessman
I
will
submit
is
much
more
trustworthy
than
the
big
corporate
guy
who's.
Looking
out
for
shareholders,
the
small
businessman
is
committed
to
the
community,
that's
where
he
or
she
lives,
that's
where
their
employees
live.
N
N
N
This
merely
starts
up
the
vehicle
where
small
businesses
within
a
certain
geographical
area
will
come
together.
They
will
organize
themselves
on
what
are
the
incentive
packages
that
will
help
to
foster
new
businesses
and
the
expansion
and
growth
of
existing
businesses.
So
we
can
fill
in
that
economic
gap
in
the
inner
city.
J
I
I
think
that
the
I'm
surprised,
I
don't
understand
the
fiscal
note,
because
that
seems
light
if
you're
going
to
be
establishing
something
that
I
don't
understand
how
the
vehicle
itself
is
going
to
be
replenished
with
funds
as
it
invests
within
businesses
within
the
community.
It
seems
like
that
would
be
more,
but
I
do
realize
it's
recurring
dollars
which
are
going
to
be
hard
to
find,
but
anyway
I'll
I'll
leave
it
be.
J
I'm
I'm
more
confused
than
I
am
advocating,
nor
disliking
I'm
I'm
I'm
curious,
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
is
because
I
worked
for
years
on
a
historic
tax
credit
which
was
started
by
a
gentleman
before
us
here
in
the
in
the
general
assembly
and,
ultimately
it
never.
I
never
got
anywhere
selling
it
until
the
administration
put
together
a
program
that
said
hey.
J
What
you're
trying
to
do
is
is
admirable,
but
you
are
giving
us
the
wrong
vehicle
to
do
it
and
so
we're
just
going
to
take
it
over
and
they
produced
a
program
that
that,
frankly,
is
better
than
what
I'd
envisioned.
So
I
I
would
encourage
you
that
if
this
legislation
does
not
move
forward,
whether
it
be
through
this
subcommittee
or
subsequent
committees
that
you
stay
engaged,
because
if
the
idea
is
a
good
one,
it'll
take
holt
and
it'll
take
seed,
but
but
again
I'm
I.
N
You
and
I
appreciate
the
open
mind,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
idea
came
from
the
small
businessmen,
as
you
heard
them
testify,
so
this
isn't
a
big
corporate
idea
of
where
they
get
paid
to
sit
around
the
the
corporate
table
and
figure
out
how
not
to
pay
taxes
and
how
to
grow
their
earnings
per
share
on
the
back
of
the
taxpayer.
That's
not
what
this
is
about.
This
is
about
allowing
the
small
businessman
the
vehicle
to
organize
themselves
to
determine
what
the
incentive
packages
are,
that
they
would
have
to
clear
us.
N
B
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
chairman.
This
will
initially
it
was
brought
to
us
by
a
certain
community,
the
orange
mound
community.
However,
this
model
will
be
available
statewide,
so
your
small
businessmen
could
get
themselves
organized
and
do
the
same
thing
same
as
chairman,
johnson
or
chairman
hazelwood
or
chairman
cathy.
A
Members
of
the
committee
do
we
have
any
any
further
questions
for
the
sponsor
representative
manush.
You
are
recognized.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
F
I
I'm
just
I'm
just
a
little
confused,
I'm
trying
to
to
figure
out.
I
certainly
know
what
idc
and
idbs
do,
but
it
looks
like
that.
The
fiscal
note,
if
you
can
just
help
me
understand
the
fiscal
note,
is
four
hundred
and
twenty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
and
is,
and
is
that
and
is
it
being
then
used
for
salaries?
Is
that
what
that
fiscal
note
is
being
used
for
and
then,
if
so,
where
are
the
incentive
packages?
Where
are
the
dollars
for
the
incentives
coming
from
I'm
just
confused
in
that
sir
representative.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
question,
because
that
is
part
of
what's
going
to
have
to
be
tweaked,
the
deal
is
not
supposed
to
have
recurring
obligations
from
the
state.
The
bill
only
seeks
ecd
startup
funds
and
then
the
organization
itself
and
the
the
local
governments
would
continue
the
work
self-sustaining.
Self-Sustaining
is
the
ultimate
goal,
but
between
now
and
the
the
full
committee
I
guarantee
you
all
have
that
straighten
out.
There
will
be
no
recurring
funds.
F
N
Yes,
mr
chairman,
I
guarantee
I
already
got
the
rough
draft
of
an
amendment
to
do
the
same.
A
A
B
Representative
chisholm,
thank
you
committed.
Thank
you
chairman.
I
hate
to
sound
like
one
of
my
colleagues
from
shelby
county,
but
I've
brought
to
you
all
the
new
deal
of
legislation
today,
so
house
b,
house
bill
1771
prohibits
a
landlord
from
refusing
to
rent
lease
or
otherwise
extend
housing
opportunities
to
a
person
solely
because
of
previous
convicted
criminal
offenses
other
than
violent
offenses,
sexual
offenses
or
violent
sexual
offenses,
and
the
conviction
happened
more
than
five
years
ago.
B
So
the
reason
this
legislation
came
about
is
because
we
have
so
many
people,
so
many
constituents
therefore
have
called
and
they
were
they've-
been
denied
housing
due
to
old
non-violent
offenses,
but
for
this,
but
for
the
sake
of
fairness
to
both
landlords
and
tenants,
I
intend
on
working
more
with
our
landlords,
antennas
bringing
everybody
to
the
table,
so
we
can
bring
a
piece
of
legislation
to
you
all:
that's
palatable
to
all
parties.
So
with
that
I'll
be
taking
this
bill
off
notice,.
A
Thank
you,
representative
chisholm.
Without
a
where
are
we
at
here?
Let's
see
house
bill,
1770
is
off
notice.
A
R
A
That's
what
I'm
showing
too
do
we
have
a
motion.
Second,
on
the
amendment,
we
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
representative
harris.
You
are
recognized
on
your
amendment.
R
Thank
you,
chairman
and
to
the
committee.
So
this
piece
of
legislation
comes
to
me
from
our
city
leadership.
I
got
to
work
with
waste
management.
On
this,
I
got
an
opportunity
to
work
with
some
charitable
organizations
as
well,
and
so
we
already
have
tenant
laws
already,
and
so
this
only
changes
three
pieces
currently
in
the
language
that
we
already
have
in
law.
It
says
if
the
tenant
does
not
reclaim
the
positions
and
personal
effects
within
the
30-day
period,
then
the
landlord
may
sell
or
otherwise
dispose
of
the
tenant's
possessions.
R
This
only
makes
the
change
to
add
donate
to
a
charitable
cause,
to
allow
them
to
either
have
that
option
to
either
sell
someone's
property
after
30
days
or
they
can
donate
it
to
a
charitable
cause.
The
other
change
that's
made.
That's
different
is
right
now
it
says
that
if
a
balance
remains
then
the
landlord,
if
a
balance
remains
after
the
sale
of
property,
then
the
landlord
can
has
to
hold
the
balance
for
six
months.
R
The
third
part
of
this
is,
if
the
landlord
discards,
the
tenant's
possessions,
that
it
either
has
to
be
discarded
by
sending
it
to
a
waste
waste
location
that
it
has
to
be
put
inside
of
a
concealed
container
like
a
trash
can
outside,
but
it
cannot
just
be
laid
out
on
the
sidewalk,
which
would
cause
ada
compliance
issues.
So
those
are
the
main
issue
changes
in
this
bill,
and
so
I
hope
that
I
can
move
this
bill
forward.
Thank
you.
A
Representative
paris,
it
sounds
like
the
amendment
pretty
much
rewrites
the
bill.
So
members
before
we
ask
any
questions:
let's
go
ahead
and
get
the
amendment
on
the
bill.
We're
voting
to
one
put
amendment.
Eight
six
on
house
bill,
2618,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it
representative
harris.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill.
Do
you
have
any
further
explanation
for
the
bill
is
amended?
I.
R
Don't
thank
you
so
much.
I
think
that
these
three
minor
changes
will
make
a
world
of
difference.
So
thank
you
so
much.
A
Okay,
members:
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
on
his
amended
bill
chairman
vaughn,
you
recognized.
J
If
I'm
a
landlord
I've
already
having
a
tenant
not
perform
is
a
problem
for
me
and
whenever
you
go
through
eviction
processes
with
tenants,
it's
very
onerous,
it's
a
very
honest
process
and
when
we
get
to
the
part
about
having
to
to
dispose
having
to
basically
them
hire
a
dumpster
to
put
the
belongings
in
you're,
already
you're,
already
out
your
money,
your
expected
revenue
and
you're
now
incurring
another
offense,
and
I
understand
why
a
city
would
like
that.
J
I
you
know,
I
understand
that
that
it's,
it's
less
less
trouble
or
less
debris
or
matter,
as
you
point
out
anything
from
blocking
a
sidewalk
to
to
just
appearance
and
less
distress
in
the
neighborhood,
but
again
that
that
comes
at
a
cost.
If
they
said,
if
waste
management
said
they
would
donate
that
dumpster,
that's
one
thing,
but
somebody's
already
been
put
out
and
somebody's
incurred
a
lot
of
expense,
and
so
I
can't
support
it
the
bill,
because
that's
in
there
the
other
two
items.
R
You
shermans
both
so
that
piece
does
not
require
that
they
purchase
anything
new.
It's
it's
just
don't
say,
don't
throw
your
mattress
out
on
the
side.
Sidewalk
is
the
only
piece
that
this
is
asking
for,
because
this
is
a
the
other
portions
are
are
reasonable
to
most
people.
I
do
request
that,
if
we're
instead
of
getting
rid
of
the
whole
bill,
I
would
like
to
at
least
ask
for
the
amendment,
possibly
from
a
member
to
just
take
that
piece
out.
A
All
right
members,
we
and
you
were
asking
state
your
question
again,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I.
R
A
This
is
our
final
calendar
yeah,
so
chairman
vaughn.
J
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
counsel
to
my
young
friend
from
shelby
county.
If
you,
if
you
would
like
absolutely,
I
would
think
your
best
bet
would
be
to
roll
it
to
the
heel
of
this
calendar.
All
right
and.
O
S
A
Now,
members
we
are
coming
up
on
the
the
end
of
our
time
here
and,
and
we've
got
some
some
heavy
lifts
coming.
So
what
we're
gonna
do
is
roll
the
remainder
of
this
calendar
to
next
week
and
without
objection.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.