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House Commerce Committee- February 22, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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I'm
kevin
vaughn
I'll,
be
your
host
this
morning,
as
we
look
at
a
fairly
big
calendar
in
front
of
us
today
in
the
house,
commerce
committee,
but
before
we
get
started,
I
believe
we
need
to
have
our
roll
called
by
our
clerk.
Mr
clark,
could
you
please
take
the
roll.
B
A
I
too,
am
here
all
righty.
Thank
you
very
much
before
we
get
started
doing
the
people's
business.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
this
morning,
any
personal
orders
from
members
of
our
committee.
It
seems
as
if
we're
going
to
do
nothing
personal,
only
official
business
today,
so
we
will
get
started
with
our
calendar.
Our
first
item
is
house
bill
2175
and
I
believe
representative
sparks
is
standing
by.
C
A
A
A
D
And
members,
if
you'll
excuse
me
for
just
a
moment,
I'm
really
thankful
that
I
didn't
have
the
previous
bill
regarding
an
elevator,
because
they
would
have
asked
scotty
to
beam
them
up
and,
quite
frankly,
that
gets
a
little
mundane.
After
a
while
house,
bill
2176
amends
a
law
passed
last
year.
The
tennessee
registered
apprenticeship
program
act.
This
is
an
administration
bill.
It
removes
the
specific
youth
apprenticeship
category
references
as
required
by
the
united
states
department
of
labor
as
a
part
of
the
path
to
becoming
a
state
apprenticeship
agency.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
A
D
Our
bill,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
bill
comes
to
us
from
the
comptroller's
office
and
this
bill
makes
government
work
better
by
allowing
the
utility
management
review
board
the
umrb
to
initiate
either
a
consolidation
or
a
merger
among
utility
districts
that
benefit
the
ratepayers
of
a
financially
distressed
district.
D
Before
the
umrb
can
finalize
the
merger,
a
feasibility
study
must
be
completed.
That
recommends
the
merger.
A
public
hearing
shall
be
conducted
in
the
financially
district
distressed
district,
and
the
umrb
must
make
a
determination
that
the
merger
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
rate
payers.
Furthermore,
this
bill
clarifies
that
the
utility
district
revitalization
fund
can
be
used
to
mitigate
short-term
financial
impacts
from
the
board
initiated
consolidation
or
merger.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
sponsored.
We
have
any
questions
of
the
sponsor
all
right.
First
off,
let
me
say
speaker
marsh:
we
still
in
business
and
utilities.
We
still
fly
in
the
missing
man
formation,
because
your
presence
is
so
missed
there
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
the
other
item
that
I
would
like
to
bring
up
is
is
I
found
this
bill
to
be
very
interesting
and
cure,
and
particularly
in
light
of
some
of
the
hearings
we
had
about
the
wastewater
board
and
the
the
utility
districts.
A
Why
are
investor-owned
utilities
not
called
out
if
we've
got
distressed
utilities?
Why
are
investor
owned
utilities
not
an
option
for
the
takeover
of
a
distressed
utility,
and
I
I
think
that
what
we
have
figured
out
is
that
before
we
can
do
that,
we've
got
a
little
bit
of
work
to
do
by
prescribing
how
that
would
even
happen.
A
Those
the
utility
districts
basically
are
are
very
interesting
entities
that
provided
a
great
service
when
they
were
to
bring
utilities
to
rural
areas
and
under-served
areas,
but
as
a
result,
they're
ownership
presents
issues
with
regards
to
that,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
rather
than
create
noise
around
a
bill
that
is
meant
to
provide
the
comptroller's
office
a
way
to
satisfy
dealing
with
issues
for
these
30.
I
believe,
there's
almost
30
utility
districts
that
are
distressed
throughout
our
state.
A
Then
I
personally
decided
that
I
thought
it
was
better
for
us
to
tackle
that
another
day
rather
than
get
in
the
way
of
the
resolution
of
these
issues,
but
I
think
the
fact
that
we
do
see
that
we
have
30
of
these
districts
that
are
in
in
financially
distressed
condition.
Right
now
points
to
us.
I
fully
support
your
bill
and
appreciate
you
resolving
this
problem
for
folks.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
speaker,
with
respect
to
something
the
chairman
said:
it
piqued
my
interest
in
terms
of
whether
this
bill
would
in
some
kind
of
way,
mandate
this
type
of
merger,
or
are
we
just
given
the
authority
to
consider
a
merger?
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
does
not
mandate
it.
If
you
have
one
district,
that's
distressed
and
maybe
going
broke,
and
you
got
another
one
that's
doing
good
over
here.
They
both
have
to
agree
to
do
it.
If
the
good
one
doesn't
want
to
take
the
bad
one,
they
don't
have
to
so
there's,
there's
rate
payers
in
input.
There's
a
feasibility
study,
every
all
kind
of
studies.
It's
not
mandated
it's
just
whatever
is
best
for
the
right
payers.
A
Thank
you
leader
with
that
conversation.
Anybody
else
have
any
further
questions
with
regards
to
this
subject
matter
today,
cigna
and
I
believe
I'm
gonna
entertain
the
question
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
house
bill.
Let's
see
1713
on
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hearing.
None.
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F
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
committee.
It
pays
to
hang
around
here
right.
This
is
a
local
bill.
It's
permissive
for
an
event
that
occurs
every
year
in
chattanooga.
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It
is
anyone
who
sells
more
than
five
motor
vehicles
in
one
year
is
to
require
is
required
to
be
licensed
through
the
motor
vehicle
commission,
and
this
gives
a
temporary
piece
of
legislation
to
enable
a
festival
for
a
motorcar
festival.
This
is
the
the
third
year
this
past
year
in
hamilton
county.
F
It
generated
almost
17
million
dollars
of
revenue
for
the
city
county
and
the
state
as
far
as
ecd
development,
but
for
a
specific
charity-
and
I
know
I
saw
that
janelle
riley
was
here
earlier
for
memorial
hospital,
a
neuroscience
center
or
a
stroke
treatment
center.
It
has
generated
more
than
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
every
year
and
we
hope
that
now
that
we're
post
pandemic
we're
gonna,
get
in
a
position
to
raise
a
little
more
money
for
stroke
research,
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
happy
to
renew
to
renew
my
motion
but
happy
to
take
questions.
F
A
All
righty,
thank
you
very
much
anytime.
Somebody
talks
about
having
a
festival
count
us
in
we're
we're
glad
to
support
any
questions
about
the
festival
question
on
bill.
All
the
hearing,
the
question
we're
calling
it
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2587,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
off
to
calendar
and
rules.
You
go
representative
smith!
Thank
you,
chairman
and
committee.
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A
A
I
want
this
to
be
a
routine
matter
about
which
we,
as
a
legislative
body,
effectively
come
in
and
overrule
boards
and
commissions
with
established
procedures,
because
I
frankly
don't
want
us
to
be
seen
as
someone
who
hold,
who
a
body
that
effectively
sets
out
to
provide,
oh
to
provide
a
way
around
rules
and
and
or
an
appellate
board,
to
commit
boards
and
commissions.
A
In
this
case,
though,
I
feel
I
understand
the
need
for
the
greater
good
we've
we've
discussed
with
the
department
and
we
y'all
have
gone
through
as
a
sponsor.
You've
met
with
many
people
and
dealt
with
this,
and
and
it's
troubling
that
that
this
is
the
court
of
last
resort
effectively
on
this
issue.
But
it's
something
that
I
don't
want
to
be
seen
as
a
standard
way
of
business
for
folks
who
struggle
with
boards
and
commissions
throughout
our
state.
A
So
I'm
going
to
support
this
bill
today,
because
I've
been
fully
briefed
on
it.
The
the
I
understand,
what's,
I
believe
I
understand,
what's
taking
place
and
want
to
provide
assistance,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
can't
become
the
stan.
This
can't
become
the
standard
for
folks
who
run
into
troubles
along
the
way
with
projects,
processes
or
manufacturing
review,
and
so
with
with
that
little
bit
of
sermonette.
A
I
believe
I'm
gonna
recognize
vice
chairman
breaking
up.
Did
you
call
the
question?
We
have
got
a
question
on
the
floor
for
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
1904,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
aye
opposed
hearing.
None
1904
is
off
to
calendar
and
rules.
G
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
amendment
was
brought
by
the
department
of
labor.
It
just
gives
some
clarification
more
for
human
resources
purposes
with
regard
to
what
documentation
would
need
to
be
retained
when
the
e-verify
is
used.
Mr
chairman,
I'll
take
any
questions
on
the
amendment
question
on
the
amendment.
A
We
need
a
motion
and
a
second
on
that
amendment,
and
then
we
will
call
the
question.
Okay,
we
are
now
impossi
in
posture.
I
believe
I
heard
representative
zachary
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
of
zero
one,
three,
seven,
six,
five
being
attached
to
bill
1853
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed
now
we're
attached.
We
are
ready
to
go
on
house
bill
1853
as
amended.
Mr
sponsor.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
1853
makes
various
changes
to
the
statute
with
regard
to
e-verify
the
first
change.
It
lowers
the
threshold
by
which
an
employer
would
use
e-verify
from
an
employer
that
employs
50
employees
down
to
25..
G
The
current
statute
specifies
that
a
person
that
a
person
should
not
notably
employ
recruit
or
refer
for
a
fee,
an
illegal
alien.
It
would
add
the
term
rehire
to
that.
It
also
provides
some
protections
to
employers.
G
So
if
an
employer
uses
e-verify
and
and
the
e-verify
fails
or
there's
any
sort
of
problem
with
it,
it
provides
immunity
to
the
employer.
It
also
provides
some
resources
to
employers
that
do
not
have
internet
access
or
to
employers
that
employ
less
than
50
employees.
The
department
of
labor
has
a
department.
G
It
would
be
no
additional
cost
because
they're
already
providing
this,
but
it
would
provide
some
additional
support
there
as
needed,
and
then
it
it
clarifies
and
kind
of
codifies
a
court
case
and
just
to
give
you
a
little
background,
there
was
an
employee
in
tennessee
that
filed
a
workers
comp
case
and
after
they
had
their
medical
bills
paid
and
got
rehabbed
and
went
back
to
work.
They
were
found
to
be
illegal
and
their
employer
terminated
them.
G
They
later
filed
suit
in
federal
court
in
west
virginia
claiming
wrongful
termination,
and
the
court
ruled
basically
stating
that
at
the
federal
level
you
know
that
you
can't
employ
someone.
That's
that's
known
to
be
illegal,
but
they
did
say
in
the
court
case
that
the
tennessee
law
was
a
little
bit
obscure
about
that,
and
so
we're
clearing
that
up
to
basically
state
that,
regardless,
if
someone
is
illegal
in
tennessee,
you
can't
have
retaliatory
discharges
against
the
employer
for
terminated
them.
In
that
case,
mr
chairman,
I
will
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
mr
sponsor
chairman
boyd
appreciate
your
work
on
this.
You
know
I
I
was
reading
a
report
from
some
think.
Tank
may
have
been
pew,
maybe
in
heritage,
I'm
not
real
sure,
but
they
they
issued
ratings
for
freedom
and
one
of
the
areas
that
they
dinged
tennessee
on
was
our
heavily
reliance
on
e-verify.
A
But
I
do
understand
that,
while
we
are
strengthening
the
e-verify
requirement,
you're
also
coupling
that
by
resolving
some
issues
that
that
run
concurrent
with
e-verify
and
so
it
it
lessens
the
impact
in
my
mind,
of
the
overall,
the
overall
system
that
we're
that
you're
looking
at
dealing
with
the
one
of
the
issues
that
I
struggle
with
is
the
in,
and
I
understand
that
there's
a
concern
within
our
populace
with
regards
to
immigration,
status
and
immigration
with
regards
to
our
southern
border
and
and
what's
happening
there
and
my
concern.
H
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
I
think
aptly
put.
Obviously
we
have
some
problems
in
the
country
that
have
to
be
addressed.
No
question
about
it.
If
you
don't
e-verify
what
other
mechanisms
can
employers
actually
utilized
to
get
that
information.
G
Mr
sponsor,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Every
employer
is
required
to
retain
an
i9,
but
the
e-verify
is
kind
of
the
gold
standard
and
the
as
far
as
the
electronic
verification.
H
Certainly,
it's
going
to
be
quicker
and
I
would
imagine
more
efficient
to
accomplish
that,
but
you
said
I
nine.
I
nine
is
that
what
you
said,
mr
chairman:
i9:
okay,
I-9
now
you
also
stated
that
there
may
be
some
businesses
don't
have
access
to
the
internet
and
so
forth,
but
they
I
guess
they
would
utilize
that
mechanism
to
verify.
A
I
believe
representative
towns-
that's
that's
the
e-verify
system
is
you've,
got
to
have
internet
to
be
able
to
access
it
right,
and
so
what?
For
folks?
Who
don't
have
that,
then
we're
giving
some
relief
as
a
result
of
them?
Not
having
that
having
that
in
place
all
right.
H
G
G
At
that
time,
based
on
the
amount
of
of
or
lack
of
of
readily
available
broadband
across
tennessee
50
was
was
the
the
size
that
was
chosen
and
there's
been
some
discussions
over
the
last
few
years
of
what
it
should
be
lowered
to,
and
there
have
been
some
folks
that
have
suggested
to
be
lowered
down
to.
G
Basically,
everyone
which
I
think
most
of
us
felt
like
was
a
bit
intrusive
on
the
business
culture
that
we
have
in
tennessee
and-
and
you
know,
someone
that
perhaps
is
is
transitioning
from
from
being
a
someone
working
in
a
business
and
someone.
That's
that's,
got
that
entrepreneur
spirit
and
decides
to
go
out
and
start
a
business
and
only
has
a
handful
of
employees
that
might
be
a
bit
of
a
burden
on
them.
G
So,
with
some
discussion
and
and
conversations
with
the
business
community,
we
felt
like
25
was
a
threshold
that
really
threaded
that
that
needle
pretty
good.
H
I'm
sure
my
last
my
last
question.
Yes,
sir,
now
these
people,
obviously
our
industry,
need
people
to
work.
Okay,
you
can't
maintain
control
and
with
your
business,
if
you
don't
have
the
labor
force,
obviously,
and
that's
a
problem
across
the
country
just
see
if
those
that
have
green
cards,
how
does
this
impact
those
people
in
that
situation?.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
just
to
reiterate
we're
not
changing
employment
law.
Here
it
is,
has
been
and
still
is
illegal
to
employ
someone.
That's
that's
a
non-citizen
without
the
proper
work,
visa
or
green
card.
What
this
does
is
it
just
in
tennessee,
it's
a
requirement
to
use
this
e-verify
system,
so
it
screens
out
more
people,
and
it
can
be
a
very
useful
and
convenient
tool
once
you,
you
learn
how
to
use
it.
I
mean
almost
every
bit
of
technology.
G
That's
used
in
the
workforce
when
used
properly
can
be
more
convenient,
so
we're
just
lowering
that
to
25,
and
we
think
in
today's
you
know,
technology,
technological
world
that
we
live
in,
that
most
employers
that
employ
25
should
have
the
ability
to
use
that
system.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
A
Yes,
sir
representative
powell,.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know.
I
continue
to
be
against
this
legislation.
I
was
against
it
and
sub.
You
know.
I
know
that
this
does
not
go
as
far
as
some
of
the
other
legislation
I've
seen
in
this
committee.
I
So
on
that
front,
I
hope
that
this
is,
you
know,
a
pause
or
an
end
to
this
continuous
discussion,
because
I
think
the
business
community
needs
to
have
certainty
in
this
state
and
we
continue
to
lower
this
threshold
or
look
at
this
issue.
It's
placing
a
greater
burden
on
businesses.
I
So
hopefully
this
is
the
final
piece
of
legislation
we'll
see
and
any
other
kind
of
legislation
on
this
topic.
You
know
this
committee
won't
consider,
because
I
think
that
you
know
I
disagree
with
the
sponsor,
but
you
know
I
understand
he
has
worked
with
some
of
the
different
parties
that
are
interested
in
this
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
compromise,
but
I
still
have
reservations.
I
I
think
this
is
again
a
burdensome
on
businesses
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
we
should
be
focused
and
it's
not
our
issue,
but
we
should
be
focused
on
the
federal
level
and
making
sure
we
have
comprehensive
immigration
reform
to
solve
this
issue
once
and
for
all.
But
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sponsor.
A
A
Oh
it
moves
on,
it
did
indeed
pass.
I'm
sorry,
I
was
busy.
I
was
busy
talking
to
you
and
forgot
to
call
the
ques
call
the
score
all
right
bill
2110,
oh
it's,
the
chairman,
boyd,
show
we're
going
back
to
back.
I
like
that
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
thank
you,
chairman.
G
G
Interest
rate
that's
been
used
for
a
lot
of
loans
and
and
mortgage
products,
and
so
it's
actually
being
discontinued
next
year,
and
so
what
this
bill
will
do
is
it'll
validate
all
of
those
existing
contracts
that
are
still
going
to
be
on
the
books
when
2023
gets
here
by
using
a
replacement
interest
rate,
it's
called
the
secured
overnight
financial
rate
known
as
software,
it's
a
replacement
interest
rate
and
it
also
provides
safe
harbor
from
litigation
for
the
use
of
any
contracts
that
use
this
benchmark
replacement.
Mr
chairman,
I
will
take
any
questions.
A
A
A
J
You,
mr
chairman
and
committee,
this
legislation
was
brought
to
me
by
the
cemetery
association
and
let
me
kind
of
explain
what
it
does.
Real
quick
funeral
homes
can
sell
funeral
arrangements
on
a
pre-need
basis.
They
have
two
ways
to
do
that.
One
way
is
buy
an
insurance
product.
The
second
way
is
that
they
can
actually
invest
those
funds
put
them
in
trust.
J
The
differences
between
what
funeral
homes
can
do
and
what
the
cemeteries
can't
is.
The
funeral
homes
can
pool
their
trust
funds
with
other
funeral
homes
to
save
cost
and
administratively
cemeteries
can't
do
that.
All
this
bill
it
allows
cemeteries,
take
advantage
of
what
the
funeral
homes
can
do.
So
with
that,
mr
chairman
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Yes,
sir,
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
bill
sponsor
representative
moon.
D
H
J
Absolutely
today's
prices
are
a
whole
lot
better
than
20
years
down
the
road.
So
you
can
put
your
money
in
now
save
on
that
cost
of
what
a
funeral
might
cost
or
a
plot
in
this
particular
case
down
the
road,
so
those
monies
are
invested
and
they're
invested
on
your
behalf.
The
difference
is
the
funeral
homes
can
pool
that
money
with
several
funeral
homes,
companies
across
the
state,
where
the
cemeteries
actually
have
a
trust
for
each
individual
company,
and
so
you
have
multiple
trust.
J
H
H
Representative
towns,
now:
how
do
we
guarantee
that
that
money's
gonna
be
taken
care
of
it's
gonna,
be
safe
when
it's
time
for
you
to
take
a
dirt
nap
and
the
money's
gonna
be
there?
Mr
sponsor.
J
It's
a
heavy
regulated
area.
I'd
also
bring
quite
frequently
for
the
on
behalf
of
the
bankers
association,
the
trust
legislation
I
actually
in
my
law
practice-
do
trust
work,
so
this
field
is
heavily
regulated
as
the
funeral
home
or
the
cemetery
in
this
particular
instance
can't
run
off
the
money.
It's
it's
not
their
money
right.
It
is
actually
the
trust
money
for
the
designated
beneficiary,
which
is
usually
the
person's
purchasing
the
pre-need
plot
at
the
cemetery.
It
is
their
money.
H
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
now
and
I've
heard
of
this
where
people
have
paid
their
money
and
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
because
everything
goes
up.
Highway
costs
funeral
costs.
Everything
goes
up
groceries.
Everything
goes
up
so
when
that
comes
the
records,
are
there
backups
on
the
records,
so
in
other
words,
if
you
and
your
family
or
some
others
pay
pre-need
and
hey,
maybe
40
years
from
now,
how
do
we
ensure
those
records?
Are
there
and
backed
up
in
case
something
happens?
Okay.
J
H
We've
got
a
heavy
agenda
today,
no
problem,
mr
chairman,
this
is
the
deal
that
I'm
speaking
more
to
is
the
name
of
the
person.
How
say,
let's
say
I'm
20
years
old
and
my
mom
and
dad
did
this
okay
40
45
years
later:
hey
they,
you
know
they
transition.
H
J
A
J
That
is
governed
by
the
provisions
of
the
trust
agreement
that
you
enter
into
you're
into
an
agreement
with
the
cemetery
that
allows
the
trust
money
to
be
invested.
You
were
technically
the
trustee,
while
you're
alive
you
get
to
appoint
the
trustee
that
succeeds
you
at
the
moment
you
die
that
trustee
is
responsible
for
the
funds
to
the
funeral
home
that
can
pay
for
whatever
plot
or
whatever
you
purchased
from
the
cemetery.
A
D
Chairman
sponsor,
how
does
this
affect
the
little
church,
cemeteries
and
little
family
cemeteries
and
such
out
in
the
country
like
where
I
live?
I
think
I've
only
got
in
my
two
counties.
I
think
I've
only
got
two
for-profit
cemeteries,
so
how
does
it
affect
the
ones
that
I
was
at
saturday
for
a
ceremony
for
my
cousin.
J
Representative
gear,
if
they
have
an
active
business
that
would
promote
and
sell
the
cemetery,
then
they
would
be
this.
Would
this
would
help
them
if
they
charge
for
a
pre-need
cemetery
plot
a
lot
of
churches?
Do
that
you
know
for
for
free
or
for
further
members
of
the
church.
It
depends
on
if
their
cemetery
is
an
actually
active
entity.
That's
a
for-profit
entity
for
their
for
their
cemetery.
J
A
Yes,
sir,
and
from
my
understanding
of
the
bill
is
this
allows
us
to
get
to
scale
smaller
entities
to
scale
up
basically
provide
a
larger
corpus
that
would
be
hopefully
have
better
investment
returns
and
easier
to
manage
and
maybe
get
better
management
fees.
That's
right.
Seeing
do
I
hear.
Did
I
hear
the
question
on
this
bill?
A
A
A
D
You,
mr
chairman
and
committee-
and
I
please
excuse
me
on
my
tardiness-
this
is
a
great
bill
that
will
allow
that
will
allow
permission
from
the
tennessee
public
utility
commission
for
investor
on
natural
gas
companies
to
come
to
the
table
and
ask
the
tpuc
for
approval
for
approval
of
these
innovative
natural
gas
resources
in
this
bill.
They're
capturing
excess
methane
from
sources
around
us,
everything
from
farm
waste
to
human
waste
and
even
landfill
gas.
They
can
utilize
these
sources
while
helping
to
remedy
community
nuisances.
A
While
it's
a
win-win
that
you
just
don't
want
to
be
downwind,
correct,
correct
all
righty,
thank
you
and
tip
your
weight,
waiters
and
waitresses
all
righty.
I
heard
the
question
on
this
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
moving
house
bill,
2315
out
to
calvin
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hearing,
none
you're
off
to
calvary
rules,
representative
darby!
Thank
you
chairman
and
committee,
all
righty.
That
concludes
today's
calendar.
A
We're
not
going
to
adjourn,
though,
we're
going
to
hear
from
our
friends
at
labor
and
workforce
to
going
to
talk
about
some
situations
there
have
run
into
with
regards
to
the
implementation
of
our
unemployment
indexing
bill
we
passed
last
year.
I've
met
with
these
fine
folks
in
my
office,
and
I
thought
that
it
might
be
interesting
for
the
balance
of
our
committee
to
also
hear
some
of
their
concerns
about
implementation.
A
So
with
that
we're
going
to
go
out
of
order
for
a
moment,
let
commissioner
and
all
others
here
with
him
today
talk
with
us
and
share
their
share
their
heart
with
us.
So
for
with
that
we're
now
out
of
session
now,
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
records
sure.
K
Chairman,
my
name
is
jeff
mccord,
commissioner
of
labor,
workforce
development,
and
you
do
not
want
me
to
share
my
heart
in
public
at
this
particular
time.
So
I'm
gonna
hold
off
on
that.
But
why
not?
Let
of
the
others
introduce
themselves
as
well
sure.
L
K
So
chairman,
I
and
committee
I'm
going
to
set
context,
then
try
to
be
as
quiet
as
possible
after
that,
and
let
these
two
folks
speak.
As
you
know,
pre-pandemic
we
were
moving
towards
a
system
upgrade
advancing
the
technology.
We
need
knew
we
needed
to
do
it,
and
then
we
had
the
pandemic,
and
so
we're
on
that
path
again,
and
the
previous
system
that
we
implemented
did
not
go
as
well
as
we
would
have
wanted.
K
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
received
a
single
audit
finding
for
rushing
that
system
before
it
was
ready,
and
so
we
we
got
to
do
better
this
time
and
our
primary
and
and
focus
is
on
doing
it
right
and
making
it
happen
right.
At
the
same
time,
we
know
that
we
have
an
indexing
bill
and
basically
that
ties
unemployment
benefits
to
unemployment
rate,
which
makes
sense,
and
it's
aimed
at
getting
folks
off
unemployment
and
working,
which
is
what
the
department
is
designed
to
do
and
focus
to
do
and
our
intent.
K
Our
desire
would
be
to
marry
those
two,
the
implementation
of
new
system
and
when
it
comes
online,
it
will
have
the
indexing
associated
with
it.
So
that's
where
we
want
to
share
some
information
for
you
today,
where
we've
and
there's
no
reason
not
for
us
to
show
our
cards
that
we've
learned
in
conjunction
with
our
partners
in
sts,
and
let
me
say
this:
we
have
partnered
strongly
with
our
information
technology
group.
This
go
around
to
make
sure
this
project
is
success
and,
and
they
have
partnered
as
well
to
do
the
same.
L
Thank
you,
commissioner,
just
a
little
bit
of
history.
How
we
got
to
today
and-
and
why
may
dad
with
gartner-
is
here
with
us.
Many
of
you
are
probably
familiar
with
our
information
systems.
Council,
chairman
hazelwood
and
chairman
lynn,
are
both
members
of
that.
It's
a
legislative
group
that
meets
every
other
month
to
review
some
of
our
key.
It
projects
our
I.t
strategy,
some
of
our
policies.
L
L
Several
months
ago,
we
were
sort
of
asked
to
we
had
some
challenging
projects
and
asked
to
consider
some
possible
improvements,
and
one
of
our
suggestions
was
that
at
the
front
end
for
our
larger
projects,
10
million
and
above
of
estimated
cost
that
we
bring
in
a
consulting
company
to
do
a
upfront
analysis
of
our
approach,
our
procurement,
how
we
plan
to
procurement,
sorry
plan
to
procure
the
services
you
know.
Have
we
properly
identified
the
risks?
Have
we
mapped
out
a
reasonable
schedule?
L
Do
we
have
the
right
participants
involved,
all
of
those
things
that
are
key
to
success,
of
a
large
it
project
and
so
gartner,
which
you'll
hear
from
a
little
bit?
Gartner
is
a
leading
industry,
consulting
company
that
does
research
as
well
as
services
in
the
technology
arena,
and
we
already
had
an
existing
contract
with
gartner
to
provide
similar
services.
And
so
we
actually
thought
that
it
would
be
a
good
pilot
test
to
have
gartner.
Do
that
review
for
the
unemployment
insurance
procurements,
of
which
there
are
two,
and
so
we
talked
to
the
department.
L
They
were
very
willing
and
agreed
that
that
was
a
good
approach
to
help
us
make
sure
we
designed
the
procurement
effectively
and
have
the
best
chance
for
success,
and
so
we
did
a
statement
of
work
with
gartner
and
they
have
reviewed
spent
some
time
with
our
team,
our
collective
teams,
with
the
department
of
labor
and
sts
to
review
the
procurement
and
give
us
some
recommendations
about
the
effort.
L
B
D
B
Thank
you,
please.
Let
me
know
if
you've
got
any
questions
throughout
a
quick
review
of
the
the
gartner
team.
I
may
be
the
the
representative
here
today,
but
there
was
a
nice
team
behind
this
endeavor.
My
background,
so
you
know,
is
I
spent
seven
years
in
state
government.
B
I
was
the
chief
of
staff
to
the
secretary
of
labor
about
10
years
ago
and
we
underwent
a
five-year
ui
modernization
project,
so
I
lived
it.
I
was
a
labor
and
employment
lawyer
before
that,
before
joining
state
government,
I
went
on
to
become
the
deputy
chief
of
staff
to
governor
in
the
commonwealth
of
massachusetts,
working
on
some
very
large
transformational
projects
and
and
what
what
stephanie
described
as
the
partnership
here
between
I.t
and
the
department
has
been
phenomenal.
B
We
do
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
gartner,
but
we
do
work
across
the
united
states
and
globally
with
governments,
and
one
of
the
top
failures
we
see
is
that
lack
of
coordination
and
I
have
to
say
in
the
state
of
tennessee
what
we've
seen
with
the
department
of
labor
on
this
project
has
been
a
very
nice
collaboration
and
the
earlier
you
collaborate
between
the
two,
the
the
higher
likelihood
of
success
of
these
projects.
B
The
other
two
individuals
who
are
part
of
our
team,
keith
scott's,
got
a
history
of
consulting
for
large
companies
like
deloitte.
He
had
started
his
own
company
for
a
number
of
years
and
then
joined
gartner
he's
based
out
of
atlanta
and
then
hannah
lee
has
been
a
great
partner
she's,
also
based
out
of
our
atlanta
office,
a
little
bit
about
gartner.
Most
people
don't
know
we
are
the
world's
largest
research
and
advisory
company,
four
billion
dollars
in
revenue
over
17
000
employees
across
the
world.
B
We
are
traded
on
the
new
york
stock
exchange.
Our
ticker
is
actually
I.t
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
important
I.t
is.
We
were
always
founded
on
I.t
research
and
advisory
services.
It's
really
in
our
blood,
it's
what
we
do
and
then
within
gartner
we
have
very
small,
but
nice
boutique
consulting
division
and
that's
where
we
sit
and
we
kind
of
wrap
our
consulting
services
along
with
the
research
product
that
we
provide
globally.
B
So
when
we
came
in,
I
always
like
to
start
at
the
at
the
end,
so
that
we're
not
hiding
the
conclusion.
B
Our
our
executive
summary
is
really
around
the
four
key
conclusions
that
we
reached
in
our
in
our
review,
and
that
was
that
the
the
state
had
a
modernization
priority
for
for
ui
and
that
it
was
really
trying
to
find
the
best
way
forward,
balancing
the
needs
of
businesses,
claimants
and
stakeholders
that
there
was
a
desire
to
ensure
that
the
experience
of
applying
for
unemployment
and
on
the
business
side,
of
paying
your
taxes
and
going
through
a
case
was
maintained
and
that
the
project
risk
was
controlled
and
those
were
the
three
major
balancing
acts
that
that
that
were
required.
B
The
second
piece
here
is
the
hardest
message
to
send
to
states,
and
I
deal
with
a
lot
of
state
unemployment
agencies.
There
are
no
perfect
solutions
out
there.
It's
a
hard
conclusion
to
reach,
but
that's
where
we
are
today.
There's
technology
has
come
a
long
way.
There
are
really
good
options
and
there
are
decisions
that
the
state
gets
to
make
around
pros
and
cons
and
different
levers
that
result
in
better
decisions
around
technology.
But
if
there
were
a
perfect
solution,
all
50
states
would
have
implemented
it.
B
The
reason
there's
no
perfect
solutions
is
that
ui
is
a
complicated,
federal
state
partnership
where
you
know
in
the
1930s,
when
the
program
was
set
up,
it
set
up
basically
a
very
just
a
floor
with
a
little
bit
of
management
on
top
and
the
intent
was
always
to
let
states
control
how,
through
through
the
legislature,
allow
states
to
create
laws,
policies
and
rules
around
the
unemployment
system.
B
As
a
result,
ui
across
the
u.s
is
very
different
state
to
state,
and
that's
why
there
are
no
perfect
solutions
for
where,
for
where
states
need
to
go.
It's
also
why
they
are
complicated.
I
t
systems
that
generally
take
a
minimum
of
18
to
24
months
and
usually
longer
to
implement
and
implement
right.
B
I
think
the
chairman
mentioned
the
one
of
the
other
big
risks
we
see
with
ui
systems
across
the
country
is
rushed.
This
is
not
true
just
of
ui.
This
is
actually
true
of
most
ui
systems.
A
rushed
implementation
tends
to
result
just
like
any
rush
decision
making
tends
not
to
make
for
the
best
decisions
when
you're
rushed
and
that
we
do
see.
Ui
failures
tend
to
have
rush
projects
behind
them.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
we
had
with
the
state
around.
B
As
you
know,
ui
has
a
tax
component
where
employers
you
know,
pay
for
pay
for
the
the
ui
tax
side
and
then
a
benefits
or
claimants
component.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussions
around
the
order
of
release
and
how
those
two
play
together
and
the
state
was
considering
different
options
and
and
through
our
discussions
with
them,
I
think
came
to
a
really
good
conclusion
around
releasing
the
benefits.
Rfp.
B
First,
that's
currently
out
right
now
with
with
proposals
actually
due
at
the
end
of
this
month,
and
then
that
will
be
followed
pretty
quickly
by
the
rfp
for
the
tax
system.
The
reason
to
think
about
that
I
often
talk
about
ui
systems
as
buying
a
house
you'll
hear
my
I'll
get
into
the
analogy
of
the
foundation
of
the
house,
because
you
want
to
build
a
house
on
top
of
a
solid
foundation,
the
the
way
to
think
about
the
benefits
and
tax
procurements.
Is
you
don't
want
to
do
them
at
the
same
time?
B
B
So
that
was
a
really
nice
example
of
collaboration
between
the
two
and
then
readiness.
We
talk
a
lot
about
agency
readiness
to
take
on
these
large
projects,
so
the
I
talked
a
lot
about
the
failure
to
collaborate
between
I.t
and
labor
rushed
decision
making
the
third
pillar
of
why
it
projects
struggle
is
agency,
and
this
is
by
the
way.
This
is
not
just
a
public
sector
problem.
B
These
projects
become
complicated
because
of
things
like
technical
issues
like
integration,
how
two
systems
talk
to
each
other.
They
also
become
complicated
with
things
like
data
migration,
so
you
have
a
lot
of
data
in
the
system
today,
you
need
to
move
that
all
that
data
from
one
place
to
the
other.
Before
I
got
into
it,
I
thought
that
was
simple.
I
learned
the
hard
way
that
it's
not
it's
very
complicated
when
you
move
systems
from
one
vendor
to
another,
the
data
isn't
structured
the
same
way.
B
Management
change
is
hard
in
any
organization,
and
that
also
means
that
when
you
get
a
new
system,
you
also
have
to
do
a
lot
of
training
on
that
new
system,
both
internally
and
externally,
because
you've
got
businesses
now
using
a
new
system.
You've
got
claimants
applying
through
a
new
system,
there's
a
communication
and
a
change
management
component
that
we
often
see
states
miss,
and
so
you
could
have
a
really
nice
system.
B
But
if
you
haven't
thought
about
what
we
call
adoption,
communication
and
change
management
that
often
still
fails,
and
so
the
state
to
their
credit,
is
doing
a
lot
of
work
starting
to
think
about
those
things.
B
So
as
a
result
of
our
work
together,
we
we
kind
of
created
these
six
strategic
principles
with
the
with
the
state.
A
lot
of
them
will
match
what
I
what
I
just
walked
through.
We
like
to
use
strategic
principles.
Sometimes
it
feels
very
consultant-y,
but
I've
learned
having
been
on
the
state
side
getting
consulted.
B
I
didn't
always
like
them,
but
I
have
to
say,
there's
a
benefit
to
having
these
strategic
principles
because
they
they're
consensus-built
concepts
that
allow
you
to
return
back
to
them
and
use
them
in
your
as
you
build.
Yes,.
A
B
A
B
A
We're
sure
that
you're
great
at
your
job
and
you've
done
all
the
things
we
do,
but
frankly,
we're
not
here
to
hear
about
that-
we're
here
to
cut
to
the
bottom
line.
We
just
let
us
please
give
us
our
message.
While
we
still
have
some
members
here,
please,
sir.
B
Absolutely
absolutely
so.
The
the
bottom
line
is
these
benefits
systems
are
large
and
complicated
I.t
systems
they
take
a
minimum
at
the
fastest
18
to
24
months
to
be
implemented.
This
is
the
roadmap
that
we
created
that
we
think
is
the
most
realistic.
B
It's
it's
appropriately
balanced
with
being
aggressive,
but
it
is
balanced
in
terms
of
ensuring
protecting
risk
and
ensuring
that
that
the
same
problems
don't
reoccur.
Both
other
projects
in
this
state
and
in
others-
and
so
you
see
where
we
are
today.
The
benefits
rfp,
like
I
mentioned,
is
out
and
and
ready
to
receive
responses.
B
That's
going
to
be
followed
quickly
with
the
tax
rfp
and
then
you
can
see
the
the
benefits
implementation
goes
for
for
that
18
to
24
month
period,
there's
an
initial
go,
live
and
then
there's
kind
of
the
the
full
go
live
and
that
allows
you
that
balance
of
ensuring
you're
not
risking
going
live
too
early,
but
you
can
go
live
quickly
enough
with
a
component
with
components
that
really
get
the
state
moving
in
the
right
direction.
B
You
can
also
see
to
your
point
chairman
about
getting
to
the
to
the
point:
the
statute.
Effective
date,
right
now
is
before
go
live,
so
the
indexing
is
a
great
example
of
the
state
having
the
authority
to
provide
laws
and
and
direction
to
this
to
the
agency
that
has
to
get
implemented
in
a
system.
Those
implementations
can
get
complicated.
B
The
system
that
the
state
wants
is
a
is
a
really
good
one
for
purposes
of
what
we
would
call
configuration
and
being
able
to
make
those
types
of
changes.
The
way
you'd
want
them,
but
we
believe
today,
based
on
the
timeline,
the
products
in
the
market
and
the
level
of
risk
that
you
will
not
be
going
live
with
a
new
system
in
time
to
implement
the
indexing
lot
at
the
date
that's
currently
set
in
the
statute.
A
Alrighty,
so
so
to
shut
this
down
to
the
cob.
Is
we
wanted
the
department
to
make
a
change
that
would
benefit
tennessee
substantially
financially?
With
regards
to
the
savings
to
the
system,
you
don't
think
that
it
can
be
implemented
in
time
is
using
the
current
methodology
or
whatever
you're,
exacting,
very
detailed,
thorough
consideration
of
many
issues.
Your
study
we're
having
a
diff
we're
having
a
disagreement
with
regards
to
when
we
want
to
see
the
work
done
and
when
you
believe
it
can
be
done.
That's
that's
what
we're
talking
about!
That's
the
crux
of
it.
A
Okay
and
again,
our
bill
had
had
substantial
financial
reward
to
the
state
with
regards
to
cost
savings.
Has
that
been
factored
into
any
of
this
process,
because
what
it
sounds
like
is
that
for
those
of
us
who
run
private
businesses,
it
sounds
like
we're
getting
governmented
here.
You.
B
A
We're
still
gonna
be
here
tomorrow.
Let's
make
this,
we
can
wait
another
week.
We
can
wait
another
month
because
we're
gonna
get
paid
taxes
regardless,
and
so
here
we
are
well.
Let's
just
make
this
a
long
term
project
and
consultants
me
being
one.
We
like
long
term
projects
and
long
performance
milestones
and
everything
is
that's
both
lucrative
and
easier
to
achieve.
A
So
I'm
seeing
where
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
disconnect
between
what
this
body
has
decided,
they
wanted
and
neces
and
and
maybe
the
vendor
community
is
out
there
saying
I
understand
we
have
to
listen
to
them
because
they
are
the
experts,
but
I've
also
known
that
I
had
a
real
smart
man.
Tell
me
one
time.
He
said
you
need
a
good
lawyer
and
you
need
a
good
accountant,
but
you
don't
need
to
let
either
one
of
them
run
your
business
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
am
on.
A
This
is
like,
where
there's
there
has
to
be
some
accommodation
somewhere
either
some
compression
of
milestones
or
there's
got
to
be
a
situation
where
we
put
duct
tape
and
baling
wire
on
our
existing
system
in
order
to
generate
the
savings
that
we
have
seen
brought
about.
So
I'm
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
way
we.
K
K
A
compressing
milestones
is
certainly
a
way
to
do
it,
but
you
increase
your
risk
and,
from
my
perspective,
from
the
department's
perspective,
is
that
we've
been
down
this
road
before,
where
we
compress
milestones
and
to
gartner,
has
no
dog
in
this
fight.
They're
a
research
firm
who
we
wanted
to
know
our
sts
wanted
to
know.
K
What's
our
best
picture,
if
we
manage
our
risk
and
be
as
aggressive
as
we
possibly
can
and
we're
sharing
that
information
chairman
and
yes,
there
is
a
backup
plan
where
we
could
work
with
our
current
vendor
to
implement,
and
we've
already
started
that
what
that
does
is
put
both
projects
at
risk.
I
mean
it
again:
it
increases
your
risk,
and
so
we've
already
started
that
backup
plan
to
do
that.
K
K
A
lot
of
this
is
implementing
a
very
complex
system,
the
right
way
that
has
to
be
integrated
in
all
the
workforce
programs
that
they
migrated.
There's
just
a
lot
to
this
complex
system,
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
another
chance
to
do
this
right
for
a
long
time.
So
we
really
want
to
do
it,
certainly
as
fast
as
we
can,
but
the
right
way.
Otherwise
we're
going
to
be
paying
those
costs
on
the
back
end.
A
All
righty,
well,
it
sounds
sounds
like
we've
got
some
some
some
bridges
to
cross.
Don't
we
representative
towns,
you
had
a
question
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
representative
briggs,
we're
going
to
representative
sparks.
H
The
chairman,
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
and
thank
you
obviously
for
you,
your
presentation,
but
the
development
is
that,
let's
say
this
was
the
us
military
and
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
find
the
talent
somewhere
in
the
country
or
somewhere
in
the
world.
That
could
help
us
expedite
our
mission
accurately.
Precisely
and
preferably
you
know
within
budget
by
going
out
and
finding
those
people.
What
is
the
challenge?
Is
it
finding
the
people
was?
The
technology
has
been
configured.
L
I'll
start,
thank
you
for
the
question.
There
are
companies
who
already
have
this
software
so
we're
not
we're
not
building
it
from
the
ground
up.
So
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
throwing
a
lot
of
bodies
at
it.
L
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
heard
that,
but
the
the
the
issue
here
is
that
when
we
compete
when
we
look
at
other
states,
the
time
frames
have
been
longer
because
of
the
complexity
of
the
benefits
side
to
configure
it.
It's
not
take
it
out
of
the
box.
The
tax
side
is
a
little
bit
different.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
configuration
and
potentially
custom
development
based
on
the
laws
in
our
state,
but
I'll.
Let
co
my
dad
add
to
that
sorry.
B
Yeah
representative,
I
think
that's
an
excellent
question.
I
would
support
what
stephanie
just
said
and
then
add
the
other
complexity
is
unemployment.
Insurance
expertise
is
incredibly
limited
around
the
country.
The
staff
at
the
department
of
labor
that
I've
had
a
chance
to
work
with
have
been
amazing,
but
they're
they're,
stretched,
then,
and
so
taking
you
need.
You
need
that
state
experience
and
expertise
to
be
part
of
this,
and
so,
if
you
divide
them
into
too
many
projects
at
the
same
time,
that's
when
you
begin
to
introduce
that
level
of
risk.
A
H
You,
sir,
the
expertise
that
to
me
would
mean
that
we
would
have
to
hire
some
other
people
okay
and
get
them
in
the
harbor
to
do
whatever
is
necessary
because
we're
trying
to
do
a
system
in
a
timely
manner
so
that
our
customers,
the
five
seven.
However,
many
million
millions
of
people
in
the
state
of
tennessee
are
taking
care
of
this
last
episode,
with
unemployment
insurance
trying
to
get
it
taken.
Care
of
was
horrible
for
us,
and
I
mean
we're
the
members
and
rightfully
so
the
people
are
supposed
to.
You
know
come
to
us.
H
Try
to
get
this
thing
done
and
it's
been
challenging.
I
know
the
department's
doing
the
best.
It
could
a
certain
circumstance,
but
we
definitely
don't
want
to
see
it
again
and
we
don't
know
what's
around
the
corner,
but
I
mean
it
was
absolutely
excruciating
to
get
people
the
necessary
resources
to
take
care
of
their
the
livelihood
of
their
lives.
Okay
and
so
whatever
you
all
are
doing.
I'm
hoping
this
will
address
that
and
rectify
that,
because
it's
not
good
to
be
on
the
other
end
and
people
are
crying.
H
A
Thank
you,
representative
towns.
One
of
the
f
one
of
my
personal
frustrations
with
this
is
the
fact
that
when
we
implemented
this
bill,
it's
been
almost
a
year
now
and
so
a
year
later,
we're
being
told
we
need
more
time,
and
that
to
me
is
a
little
bit
doesn't
speak
to
a
sense
of
urgency
anywhere
in
and
of
the
process
we
could
build.
We
could
build
a
building.
A
We
could
build
several
buildings
to
house
these
in
time
and
the
time
within
the
time
frame
that
you're
you're
pointing
out
here
and
there's
not
a
supply
chain
issue.
That's
for
coding,
so
it
seems
as
if
there
is
an
intensive,
intensely
deliberative
process
being
presented
here.
That
says,
because
we
want
to
use
this
intensely
deliberative
process,
we
don't
have
time,
but
here
we
are
we've
already
burned
a
year,
and
so
I
don't
have
much
sympathy
for
that
candidly
that
that's
just
kind
of
the
way
I
see
things
representative
brickens.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
kind
of
clarified
something
I
thought
it
was
two
years
ago
that
we
authorized
the
funding
for
this,
and
last
year
we
went
to
the
indexing.
Is
that
the
correct?
So
we
knew
this
was
on
the
table
two
years
ago
so
and
what
was
the
targeted
implementation
date
upon
the
legislation?
What
what
date
was
that.
D
L
D
L
We
have
been
working
on
that
with
the
central
procurement
office
to
expedite
the
process
and
now
we're
probably
weeks
away
from
our
first
award,
so
we
we
have
looked
at
that
schedule
and
tried
to
compress
as
we've
gone
through,
so
we're
almost
through
that
part
of
it.
Yes,
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Jeremy.
C
Real
quick,
thank
you,
dr
mccord,
for
for
your
time.
You
know
this
is
a
serious
issue.
Sadly,
many
of
our
members
have
already
left
out.
You
know
I
was
talking
to
a
university
president,
a
while
back,
I
won't
say
who
but
sharp
guy-
and
I
said
man,
this
workforce
development
unemployment.
I
mean
just
the
next
generation
to
me.
It's
it's
almost
getting
going
to
be
a
national
security
crisis.
C
If
we
can't
get
people
to
want
to
go
to
work,
you
know
I
want
to
ask
you
that
the
2.6
rate
in
my
county
rutherford,
how
accurate
do
you
think
that
that
rate
is.
K
Well,
it's
so
it's
accurate,
but
it's
not
adjusted,
sir,
so
the
seasonally
they
the
data
doesn't
break
down
seasonally
adjusted
per
county.
We
can
do
that
per
state,
but
no
very
accurate.
I
think
the
thing
that
you
need
to
realize,
though,
that
we
need
to
realize
is
that's
a
percentage
of
the
people
in
the
workforce,
and
so
our
drive
is
to
drive
more
people
in
the
workforce
that
singular
metric.
There
is
good,
but
it's
incomplete.
K
C
Yes,
sir,
well,
how
do
we
reach
like
we
were
in
finance
of
the
day,
commissioner
brad
turner
with
department
intellectual
developmental
disabilities
made
a
great
great
quote?
I
love
this
quote.
He
said:
there's
dignity
in
working
and
he's
dealing
with
special
needs,
folks
that
have
a
lot
of
heart
and
passion
to
work,
and
I
appreciate
our
chairman
here
his
passion
for
really
making
a
difference
for
the
future,
but
I
I
mean
I
have
a
lot
of
fear
of
going
forward
for
the
future.
C
You
know
and
and
I've
seen
the
great
work
that
y'all
have
done.
Y'all
helped
me
with
the
job
fair
years
ago.
Had
the
bus
come
in,
we
had
360
people
come
through
hungry
wanting
a
job.
If
we
done
that
today,
I
doubt
if
we
get
12
people,
I
hate
to
say
that,
but
I
don't
know
why
times
are
are
changing,
but
how
do
we?
How
do
we
reach
this
next
generation?
C
K
The
key
to
what
you
just
said
is
the
strategy
that
education's
on
in
conjunction
with
labor,
is
our
work
based
learning
programs
in
high
school,
16
or
17
year
olds,
introducing
them
to
work.
Yes,
sir,
why
we
have
them,
and
it's
amazing
all
the
good
things
happen
when
a
young
person
has
a
job
and
all
the
bad
things
that
don't
and
that's
understanding
that
when
you
go
and
all
the
stuff
you
learn
the
spring.
In
your
step,
you
get
the
dignity
of
work.
Introducing
to
work
is
something
that's
a
part
of.
K
A
I
knew
we
could
get
you
to
share
your
heart
today,
commissioner,
we
just
had
to
dig
a
little
bit
to,
though
leader
camper
you're,
up
next
and.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
for
this
presentation.
I
think
that
for
years,
sts
have
been
charged
with
getting
all
of
our
departments
up
to
up
to
speed
and
they
had
an
aggressive
plan.
I
remember
hearing
all
in
budget
securing
the
funds
and
getting
the
updates
and
each
department
had
a
a
phased
approach
of
how
we
were
going
to
do
this
and
I
believe,
you've
done
a
great
job.
E
Tell
us
where
we
are.
You
know
let
them
know
where
we're
going
and
try
to
give
us
a
direction
of
how
to
get
there.
Now
we
can
take
this
information
now
and
put
it
into
our
own
plans,
not
saying
we
got
to
go
step
by
step
with
what
they
recommend,
what
they're
recommending,
but
I
think
I'm
okay
with
the
fact
that
you're
here
telling
us
the
ground
truth
on
where
we
are
because
we
need
to
know
that,
but,
like
I
said,
I
think,
you've
been
doing
a
good
job.
E
I
look
forward
to
where
we're
going
to
go
with
this,
and
sometimes
you
know
you
have
to
slow
down
to
get
it
right
and
getting
it
right
sometimes
outweigh
this
fiscal
impact
that
we
believe
we're
going
to
receive.
At
the
end
I
mean
we,
you
know
times
are
all
right
right
now,
so
maybe
it's
okay
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time,
but
I
think
sometimes
you
have
to
slow
down
to
get
it
right,
and
so
we
interjected
ourselves
in
a
situation.
E
H
And
I
will,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
So
much
first
thing
I
want
to
do
is
thank
all
the
members
for
the
questions
that
you
asked,
because
I
learned
a
lot
coming
from
each
of
you
all
today,
especially
you
today,
mr
chairman,
not
only
that
my
colleague
sparks
asked
the
questions
about
you
know
how
do
we
get
young
people
to
work
when
I
was
a
kid
we
had
summer
jobs,
okay
and
every
year,
I
try
to
introduce
something.
H
L
I
think
we
we
try
to.
Yes,
we
work
with
the
cpo
on
you
know
the
risk.
Sometimes,
when
you
put
too
much
in
the
contract,
it
increases
the
cost,
and
so
it's
it's,
it's
an
insurance
or
you
know,
pay
me
now
or
pay
me
later.
But
yes,
we
do
look
at
performance
penalties
and
in
in
terms
of
dollars,
and
so
we
do
normally
put
those
in
those
in
our
contracts.
A
All
right,
thank
you
and,
and
I
appreciate
y'all
coming
forward
today,
I'm
like
I
said
earlier
this
message
a
year
later,
somewhat
it
frankly,
it
doesn't
sit.
A
Well,
the
fact
that
we're
saying
hey,
we've
we've
spent
our
year
coming
up
with
an
explanation
on
why
we
don't
have
to
have
enough
time
as
opposed
to
that
to
me,
and
it
may
be
over
simplifying
things,
but
that's
what
the
message
that
that
is
being
taken
in
is,
and
so
I
would
challenge
you
all
to
go
back
and,
and
I'm
not
going
to
use
the
coin
phrase
redouble
your
efforts,
because
I
don't
just
every
time
I
hear
that
it's
like
what,
but
but
relook
at
it
and
and
and
see
if
we
cannot
get
some
type
of
expedition
throughout
this
process
and
recognizing
the
the
need
for
urgency
that
we
have
here-
and
I
understand
that
once
you
lay
this
card
on
the
table,
it's
one
of
those
who,
where
it's
an
absolution,
because
you
can
say
if
you
had
followed
our
guidance
if
there's
any
problems,
it's
like
buying
an
insurance
policy
for
the
department.
A
It's
like
hey.
We
told
you
and
so
from
that
standpoint
I
would
encourage
you
to
you.
You've
checked
that
box
today.
Now
please
go
out
and
let's
get
this
thing
implemented
as
quickly
as
possible.
That
would
be
my
my
message
today,
but
I
do
appreciate
y'all
coming
and
sharing
with
us,
because
I
felt
like
it
was
important
that
all
of
our
members
heard
you
heard
your
message
and
for
those
who
weren't
here,
shame
on
them
alrighty
we're
going
to
go
back
in
session
and
thank
you
all
very
much.
We
are
adjourned.