Tennessee House of Representatives 112th House Commerce Committee, 16 Mar 2021

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House Commerce Committee- March 16, 2021

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Good morning, everyone by the time of the chime it is 10 30 today I believe, is march 16th tuesday. uh This is the house commerce committee, I'm kevin, vaughn I'll, be your host today and uh we are going to gavel in to session and get commercial. Mr clark, will you call the roll.

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Representatives, alexander boyd, calfi, camper fazen, hasten hazelwood, hodges, holsclaw, johnson, lin, manus moon powell, powers sparks thompson, towns, zachary vice chairman bricken, chairman vaughn,.

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Chairman, you have a quorum.

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Thank you very much before we get started on our regular calendar, uh we're looking for folks who have personal orders. I see I see chairman boyd.

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Down there, thank you, mr chairman. I have with me today folks out there, somewhere, a young man named luke zellner who's, a 10th grader at friendship, christian that shadowed me today. If you guys make him feel welcome.

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One thing I can say about luke he's already learning the tenant that a strong handshake is a good attribute of our met that met him this morning. Anybody else got any personal orders.

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If not we're gonna get right down to business, then uh we're gonna be working off of our calendar today, but just a little bit of housekeeping for those of you who are trying to figure out where to be and when to be there house bill.

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Let's see 72, which is item 5 on the calendar, we do have a request to roll that one to the heel of our calendar, so house bill 72 will be rolled to the heel.

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First up today is house bill, 780 being presented by leader gant later grant. Please share with us about this. We've got a motion.

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We've got a second. The bill is properly before us later. Thank you.

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Very much I think we have an amendment, is it traveling with it.

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Zero zero, four four, eight eight is that your number, that is correct, all righty. We have a motion on the amendment. We have a second now the amendment is properly before us. Now. Let's talk, let's talk about it.

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Thank you, mr chairman. The amendment does three things: it adds reporting requirement for commerce and insurance spends funds in extraordinary circumstances is allowed in this bill. Secondly, it adds language regarding confirmation of mail notification and, finally, there's a technical change made to section 13 of the bill that specifies a specific sub section of the code.

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All righty, we have heard an explanation of the bill from leader again: do we have any only yeah we've got a motion in a second just probably before some. We have any questions for.

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I heard a question being called on the amendment all those in favor of voting for amendment 4488, which is amendment one please signify by saying aye aye, all those opposed hearing, none amendment one is attached now we're back to the regular bill. Has anything changed in the time that we just voted on that to now later again.

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I will renew my motion.

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And there we go, uh we do see a question. I have a question from chairman zachary uh thank.

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You, mr chairman, uh sponsor, I think it's important that we don't skip over this and reading through this bill. I see words like reduce, clarify, remove, remove, reduce delete, remove reduce reduce those are the words that I have underlined. I think it's important to remember.

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Tennessee is such a business friendly state because we remove barriers to entry, and so, while this, for most of us will just be one that we vote vote and look at it's a good bill, this is the kind of bill that reduces regulation that makes it continues to make our state more environment. So I think it's important not to skip over that. Let the people know who are watching. This is why tennessee is successful, because we continue to reduce regulation and continue to make our state more business friendly. So thank you for carrying the bill.

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Thank you, uh chairman zachary, and I will obviously add to the record. This is an administration bill that does just as chairman zachary described so so thank you for that. Intro.

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Leader, camper you're, right.

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Thank you, mr chairman, and uh I understand there is some reduced, remove reduced, etc? Could you explain the bill a little more into detail.

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Chairman I'm, I can't.

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Could you explain the bill a little bit more in detail.

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If you'll indulge me I'll go through it.

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This bill updates several procedures within the department of commerce and insurance division of regulatory boards. These updates include modern, modernizing the way boards and programs and licensees communicate with one another, updating, licensing, fee structures or removing them all together, decreasing certain age requirements and lowering apprenticeship hours, which is what chairman zachary was referring to. This bill, also makes updates to the real estate commission's education recovery account for simplifying requirements to access the funds.

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Secondly, this bill addresses recent court decision by removing the requirement for a potential barber student to earn a high school degree. This also addresses the discrepancy in a law that allows a cosmetology apprentice to work under any licensed cosmetologist, while a barber apprentice may only work under a licensed barber instructor.

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Additionally, this bill simplifies licensing requirements for sole proprietors by only requiring one license.

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Instead of two within certain regulated professions, there are, there are firm and individual licensed licenses that can be duplicative for sole proprietors who operate their business as the only licensee, which is again what chairman zachary was referring to this new exemption only applying to sole proprietors within the locksmith and funeral slash burial services program will allow these licenses to operate under their individual license without the need for additional firm license or their main company that they work under this bill removes a requirement for the collection services program, solicitor cards and clarifies when scrap metal dealership licenses are needed.

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This bill also allows for regulatory boards easier access to their reserve fund accounts for specified uses, and we can go into that if you'd like chairman camper as well, but I yield back to you, mr chairman. Thank you, sir.

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Lady camper.

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I'm good, thank you, mr chairman,.

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Thank you. Do I have any other questions with regards to this bill. Amendment uh representative, alexander.

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Thank you chairman.

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I see I'm sorry, sorry.

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Representative gant, um you mentioned funeral homes, so we have a business permit because I'm a funeral homeowner. I just want to make sure I understand that we have a business permit for our funeral home. My husband has a director's license. Our embalmers have a director's license and a uh embalming license right. So will that change? Any of that.

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It's a good point now. What I'll do is I'll I'll I'll clarify that.

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Actually build those.

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I recommend I'm.

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Sorry, mr chairman, please forgive me uh under the under the current law licensed funeral directors. Selling pre-need contracts on behalf of their own establishments are required to obtain a separate pre-need sales agent license. Okay, this proposed legislation will create an exemption for those sole proprietors who are licensed funeral directors and selling the pre-need contracts on behalf of their own establishments that they will no longer need that duplicate additional license. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

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Thank you for clarifying that.

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Representative sparks yeah. I just want to thank thank them for carrying this bill and we need we need more of it. Maybe this summer we could maybe put a task force together and look at other efficiencies and deregulation. If you will to um to help people be able to the apprentices, I think lowering that age was really wise too. So just want to say. Thank you.

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Thank you, representative, sparks.

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Yes, sir, any other takers.

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Okay, we sing no more comments. We're gonna call the question. This is house bill, 780, all those in favor of house bill, 780, sending it on to finance sub, please signify by saying aye aye any opposed, seeing none you're off the finance sub chairman.

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It's always good to be in your committee and be.

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With your committee, thank you. Thank you, lady gant.

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Next up next up well, once proper sanitation procedures have been employed, we will be listening to representative russell describing house bill. 177 we've got a motion second you're properly before us representative russell.

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I believe we've got some amendment homework to do here as well. Yes, sir.

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Mr chairman, I've got amendment uh zero four five one, six.

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Motion second on house amendment number: two: all those uh we've got a motion a second. Could you explain to us what we're doing here.

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The amendment makes the bill is simple bill. It just says a manager uh property manager may testify against a tenant under this chapter in the same manner as a landlord or owner.

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All right do we have any questions for the sponsor any questions.

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We've got a question on the amendment, all those in favor of the amendment please signify by saying aye aye any opposed hearing, none house amendment number two goes on the bill. So now we are on the original bill.

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We've got a question on a bill. All those in favor of house bill 177 as amended. Please signify by saying aye any opposed hearing, none you're off calendar rules. Thank you uh and just for those keeping score at home house amendment. One was my amendment that was not put on in subcommittee, so we did not have to put it on. We did not have to take it up here, uh representative uh russell always about to say, representative lowell. uh His his amendment did what needed to be done all right now.

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We've got house bill 830 by chairman kumar.

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Bill is properly before us chairman, kumar. It's good to see you today.

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Thank you, mr chairman. We do have an amendment code, 4847.

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We we've got that and you, sir, that amendment is also properly before us. Please share with us what we're doing.

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This amendment, the bill, has to do with lemon law for farm machinery and tractors, and this amendment adds that the lien holder will be informed when such an exchange occurs, that the current tractor is replaced by a new one.

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This is what the amendment does.

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All right do we have any questions on that particular amendment. We got a question called seeing no questions. We will honor the question all those in favor of amendment number, one please signify by saying aye any opposed hearing, none amendment one is now on the bill. uh Talk with us about these lemons and tractors.

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It's a wonderful bill. We all know about the lemon law for automobiles. Surprisingly, there is not one for farm machinery attractors, although it's much more expensive. So this bill brings the same concept to protect consumers from expensive machinery that does not work properly and is a lemon.

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The there's a 12-month period during which uh the machinery can be evaluated.

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If the cost to the farmer rents runs more than three repairs: equaling 30 of the cost of the machinery or five repairs, equaling 50, then the consumer is entitled to either a full refund or replacement with a likewise machinery and uh surprisingly- and it was very good during my work with this bill- that the manufacturers, the distributors, as well as the banking people were all have worked with me on it and the farm bureau, especially I'm grateful to them for their work, and this is a joint effort that is acceptable to all parties.

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Thank you, mr chairman.

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All righty do we have any questions for the good doctor. Any any questions sing none, let's vote on this bill. Hopefully this is going to get him on the cover of progressive farmer magazine um all those in favor of house bill 830, please signify and we've attached the amendment. So now we're on the bill house bill 830 by chairman kumar, please signify by saying aye aye any opposed hearing none house bill. 830 is off cal, learn rules.

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Thank you, mr chairman,.

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Next up, chairman reagan's going to share with us about house bill 728, sir, you are properly before us. Thank.

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You, mr chair, this bill comes to us from the government operations reviews. We have two boards, uh the credit services business and the board of debt services, businesses that uh are considered essential.

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However, one of them does not comply with tca 4-29-121, which says it must be financially self-sufficient without doing something. The government operations committee would have to put this into entity and to wind down and dissolve it. However, the department suggested that we combine the financial resources, one of which is in a surplus and the other in a deficit, so so that both of these would be operating uh financially self-sufficient.

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They would continue to do their work with that explanation. There are no amendments. I stand ready to answer questions.

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All righty, thank you, sir. Do we have any questions for the good chairman? Well, you've got a question on that bill. Let's honor that question all those in favor of house bill 728, please signify by saying aye any opposed hearing. None house bill 728 is off to calderon rule. Thank you, mr chairman committee, and, as we had uh previously disclosed house joint resolution, 72 by representative todd has been rolled to the heel per his.

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Next up house bill 334 by chairman hicks and as looking at the title death as introduced. um That's that's a that's! Quite the uh quite the caption there, chairman hicks we've got a motion and a second you're properly before us. We can't wait to hear more about this.

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Thank you, mr chairman. I can't wait to tell you more about it.

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Mr chairman, this bill creates regulations.

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And requirements on the operations of alkaline hydrolysis facilities requires the operator of an alkaline hydrolysis facility to receive a permit from the department of health for resumation of human remains, and with that I'll, be ready to answer any questions.

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We have representative chairman holtzclaw, I believe you have a question.

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Thank you chairman. We uh appreciate you bringing this bill to us representative, hicks or chairman hicks, uh we've discussed in the past. That's an alkaline hydrolysis process takes what.

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Six hours or so to complete.

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Sir chairman, from my understanding and of course, I'm not the resident expert on this, but it's about four to six hours from what I've been told. Chairman holt's, claw.

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So how long does it.

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Take to get your hair down to that process using this chemical, it's about four to six hours.

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Thank you chairman.

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Looks like they may have put too much on mine. um Any other questions for chairman hicks, chairman faison.

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Thank you, mr chairman, and mr chairman and uh chairman hicks,.

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We were just wondering.

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If you could actually spend spell alkaline hydrolysis without looking at it, you don't have to you. Don't have to attempt this chairman hicks.

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Thank you, mr chairman,.

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I will say this: I may not be able to spell it, but I can sure say it: I've been practicing and I'm pretty proud I've not messed up yet saying it. So I would love to say it again. If I could alkaline hydrolysis.

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Before we devolve any further, I think we're going to call for a question on this. Thank you, mr.

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All those in favor of house bill 334, sending it on to caledon rules, please signify by saying aye aye any oppose seeing none 334 is off the caliber rules. Thank.

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You, mr chairman,.

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Representative cochran, we can't hear you over there. Next on our calendar is house bill. 205.

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We have a motion a second. You are properly before us standing behind that sanitized microphone.

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Thank you, mr chairman. I'd like to make an entrance. I appreciate you um yes, so so house bill 205, it's really bringing uh utility districts that are jointly owned by uh by two or more counties. It's bringing their compensation level up to those that municipal districts uh to the level that municipal districts are already paying their members. So I'm happy to answer any questions, but essentially there are very few of these utility districts in the state, probably when the municipal districts were brought up to 300.

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These were kind of just left out, so so just kind of updating the code, all right.

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Need to take care of some housekeeping on this one. We have an amendment that I believe makes the bill. That's correct uh drafting code 4115..

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We got a motion a minute now that amendments properly before us. We got any questions for representative cochran. I don't see any so we are voting on amendment number one all those in favor, please signify by saying aye aye any opposed. No amendment. One is attached to house bill 205. Now we are on the bill, any questions on the bill. Seeing none! Oh wait, leader.

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Thank you, mr chairman. I was just wanted to amendment rewrite the bill. So if what you explained to us before.

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Yes was the actual amendment.

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That went on the bill.

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Yes, ma'am. That amendment is the substance of the bill.

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And the amount, what is the difference in the amount of money that we're talking about.

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Yes, uh leader camper, yes, the current allowable amount for these utility districts is a hundred dollars a meeting. This allows does not mandate but allows three hundred dollars a meeting and that's what your municipal utility districts are allowed to pay currently as well leader, camper you're, recognized for a follow-up.

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Thank you, mr chairman. Thank you.

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Mr all right y'all, I was about to get on a roll there, y'all throw the brakes on anytime. You need all those in favor. Oh excuse me. We have another question. Representative townes took me literally.

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Well, miss chairman. Thank you correction. I understand that it may not be permeating, but it's rather per month. Is that correct versus per meeting.

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Yes- and I will let me check that it is per month, you're.

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My apologies typically, that those are monthly meetings a lot of times but yeah. I misspoke.

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Thank you, mr chairman,.

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Does anyone have a question?

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Oh thank you see. Thank you. We were calling the question on house bill 205 with looking at needing to send this to the finance ways and means subcommittee all those in favor of doing so. Please signify by saying aye aye any opposed. No, we do not see any so house bill. 205 is out of here, headed to finance up. Thank.

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Next, on our calendar house, bill 388 by representative darby and others in motion, and a second on the bill you're properly before us representative darby share with us what how we're going to change the world with this piece of legislation.

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Thank you, mr chairman, in committee, hb 388 authorizes tennessee utility districts to use a request for proposals process.

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Government and cities and counties and municipal utilities have been using rfps for several years. This bill would simply extend the same authorization to.

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Utility districts.

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All right do we have any questions for representative darby alrighty, seeing none, I think we're going to vote on your bill representative darby. This is house bill, 388, all those in favor of sending it to calderon rules, please signify by saying aye aye any opposed. No, I do not see any so. 388 is off to calvary rules.

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Thank you, mr chairman,.

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All righty we're going to stay within the confines of our committee. For the rest, the balance of the calendar until we get to the heel so in front of us now is house bill 401 by chairman boyd.

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We've got a motion: we've got a second, we see no amendment so.

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Chairman boyd, thank you, mr chairman committee. uh This is dealing with a provision that was put in statute a few years back dealing with the workers, comp court systems and it allowed in cases where an employee was wrongfully denied benefits by either an employer or an insurance company provisions in place so that the judge could award attorneys fees in those extraordinary circumstances.

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This was passed last year and unfortunately, with the coveted pandemic, the senate did not carry it, and so it actually is set to sunset every two years, and so it has actually sunseted and what this would do uh would extend it until june 30th of 2023.

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I'll. Take any questions, mr chairman.

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All right, thank you. We got any questions for chairman boyd. Any questions.

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Let's call that question: let's say house bill 401 headed to calendar and rules, all those in favor, please say: aye any opposed. No, seeing none we're going to send 401 to calendar rules and just we we can avoid sanitize sanitization procedures again just hold what you got there chairman boyd share with us about house bill 1285.

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Thank you, mr chairman, and I do have an amendment on that. Mr.

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Chairman we're tracking 45.93, along with you.

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That is what I'm showing mr chairman.

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All righty, we got a motion on the amendment. We got a second uh share with us about the amendment there. Thank.

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You, mr chairman, uh this bill, and the amendment makes various changes to the workers comp code specific to misclassification of employees. There's one portion of it dealing with subpoenas for employers and third parties such as accountants, tax, preparers insurance agents, carriers and bank institutions and how the workers comp is able to get those and various penalties.

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It also deletes and rewrites a section that would set forth a process when an employer understates or misrepresents an employee's number payroll or job duties, as well as an employer's failure to secure and maintain the payment of workers, compensation, insurance and it would be a thousand dollars or one and a half times the avoided average yearly insurance premium.

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I'm happy to take any questions, mr chairman,.

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I see no one wanting to be recognized. Everyone, I believe, is comfortable with your command of the workman's compensation uh situation here, chairman boyd. So let's, let's vote on the amendment number one, all those in favor, please say aye any opposed hearing, none amendment one is on the bill. Anybody want to talk about the bill other than chairman boyd. uh We've got a question. We will honor that call for the question, so we are looking at house bill, 1285 heading out to calendar and rules.

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All those please who agree with that say: aye any opposed, no knows you're off to calendar rules chairman thank.

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You, mr chairman,.

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Next, on our calendar.

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We see representative alexander and house bill 651 all right. We have a motion in a second.

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Thank you, chairman and committee. If it's okay, I'll just stay seated, where I am, we.

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Want you to be the most comfortable you can be representative alexander, so if you're going to drive from there, we are good with it. That's.

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Good the bill I bring before you is from the comptroller's office. uh The legislation makes government work better by removing an unnecessary statutory provision in the definition of financial distress for government utilities. This bill removes requirement for pension and up activity to be excluded from the calculation of the statutory change of the net position for government utilities.

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Under this change, utilities will no longer come under the purview of either the um rb or the wwfb solely for funding their pension and op-ed liabilities, while utilities that need board assistance will be referred.

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The tennessee association of utility district supports this bill.

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Thank you. We see a question on the bill. Anyone have any oh well. We heard we're honoring that question all those in favor of house bill. 651, please signify by saying aye hi any opposed no house bill. 651 is off to calgary and rules.

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Good afternoon, chairman or good morning, chairman moon, let's talk about house bill 188. Thank you, you're you're properly before us, and I believe you also have an amendment traveling with this bill.

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That's correct, mr chairman, thank you. It's uh it's amendment 4799.

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It is, we've got a motion in a second on that, it's properly before us as well.

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This amendment makes the bill: it authorizes members of the united states, armed forces and honorably discharge veterans to receive equivalent credit toward the receipt of an occupational license related to their military training.

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It sets up an appeal process and it also directs the commissioner of commerce and insurance to collaborate with the part of the commissioner of veterans services to draw up the rules and with that I'll entertain any questions. This.

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Questions be called on the amendment, although see any objections, seeing none all those in favor of approving amendment. One please signify by saying aye aye any opposed, no amendment one's now on your bill question on the bill house bill 188, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye aye any opposed eyes. Have it you're off to gov ops,.

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Thank you, mr chairman. The member.

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I'm gonna pass this down to vice chairman.

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All right chairman recognized on bill 1112.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you, folks. What uh what this bill does looks to standardize safety protocols on job sites across the state? It brings contractors deal with a lot of activities on different job sites that work in different jurisdictions. What this will do is will be adopting toshin, osha, as the federal state standard will apply across the board. I know that during subcommittee representative thompson brought up the fact of the impact to localities. What this does is right now, local governments have a say in the aesthetics of what they look like.

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They also have a say in the codes of how things are to be constructed. What this does is this man. This sets statewide standards for the management of the job site itself, so the contractor will know how to behave in humboldt the same as it does in bolivar, the same as it does in cairo, the same as it does in nashville. So that's that's what this bill does.

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Any questions on the bill.

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Thank you, mr chair, mr chairman, is there some uh instances in some of the major metropolitan areas where they might need to put some other restrictions in place that this would affect.

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uh I'm not aware of any specific. I understand that, there's uh that there is, I will be as candid as I can be. This is contemplating issues and it looks to to get it to where it's taken care of before things get started. That's my understanding. This was brought to me by the association of building contractors.

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Would you representative camper, thank you, but but you believe that by passing this legislation, it would um uh make it easier- I guess, for all of the uh general contractors, to uh fulfill their obligations to make sure safety is in place if they're doing business from one county to the next or is uh am I reading that correctly.

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Yes, yes, ma'am! Oh excuse me chairman. I recognize yes ma'am, that's! That is the purpose of it, because, typically, what you see on in construction contracts and job sites is that the specifications rules which have been designed around um local codes and then, whenever they're, going through uh their entitlement procedure to get their permits and such with a town there's requirements there as well. What this says is once the job starts. The contractor is re, has osha and tosher reporting responsibilities and has standard record keeping no matter where they are in the state.

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Representative kemper.

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Okay, thank you, mr chairman, uh so you don't see this as potentially creating some problems on maybe some projects, that's already ongoing, that's in place, and if we pass this legislation it could interfere with any of these jobs. That's currently going on, or is this like going forward so that I mean if there are some procedures that some local governments have in place right now, I'm not saying that they are, but if there are some, this bill would not uh interfere with that particular operation. That's going on right!

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Now it's a lot of development going on here in nashville, we see cranes everywhere, and so it's a lot of work going on and I'm wondering if we pass this bill, would it impact any of those or it's just like going forward? This is kind of how we're going to do it.

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Chairman vaughan.

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Thank you, leader, camper, my understanding and I'm. I wasn't even pre-law for a semester, so I don't know anything about this, but but I I do believe that it would pertain to contracts entered into after the effective date of the law, and so what we what's. What is happening now wouldn't but moving forward. It.

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Would thank you, mr chairman. I just wanted to make sure it was on the record that way uh so that we, wouldn't you know, interfere with any ongoing operations. So thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, mr chairman.

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Thank you, representative,.

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Sparks thank you, um chairman vaughn. Would you call this a very pro-business um piece of legislation.

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Chairman, in my understanding, it is uh representative sparks it's. uh The construction industry is fraught with requirements, regulations, codes and responsibilities.

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What this does is this allows people to understand that they're going to be the same is going to be expected of them, and I- and I think that, to what my understanding, what leader camper was saying is that is that a contract would in a a contract that is for somebody building.

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Something in bolivar will be under the same safety requirements that they would be in memphis, yes, and so from that standpoint we think it's both a pro worker and a pro business, because that standardization allows people to be able to gain efficiencies by being able to work through that. Yes,.

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If representative, I just want to remind the committee- and maybe folks watching you know um we're seeing that we've got an affordable housing crisis in middle tennessee. I've got an affordable housing crisis in my community. The average cost of a new home today, 83 000 is just government regulation fees and taxes. 83 000. now someone's willing to correct me if I'm wrong.

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That was, according I think, 2018., but, uh but I just want to thank you for this, and I just want to remind folks every time we put more barriers to entry on businesses we're driving those costs up. So thank you for your peace legislation, sir.

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Thank you, representative, hayeswood.

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Thank you, mr chairman. um I just wanted to say thank you for the legislation having spent some time working in economic development, I know that businesses like to have consistency, so it's important to a business to know that nowhere, no matter where they're operating in tennessee doing a construction project that the rules are going to be the same, and I think it's important to note that those rules are tosha and osha, so we're not giving up anything in terms of safety uh or any of those things.

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So again, I think it's a good piece of legislation. Thank you.

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Thank you any comments, chairman well, representative towns, had a question. I think.

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I'll just simply call the question: no problem.

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I hear the questions called seeing no objections, let's vote on house bill, one one one two and send it on the calendar and rules all in favor say aye.

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Right any pose here, none bill passes on the calendar.

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10 39 we're without, without any objections, we're going to roll that one week house bill 1039. So now we find ourselves back or we're at the heel of the calendar, uh where representative todd requested to be.

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We got a motion and a bill. It's actually a red house joint resolution house joint resolution number 72 by representative todd. You were properly before us representative tom.

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Thank you, mr chairman committee. First, what this bill does. It enshrines our right to work laws into our state constitution.

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What is right to work put simply it says workers cannot be fired or penalized for joining or refusing to join a union and pay union dues. Ultimately, right to work is about protecting worker freedom. If a person wishes to join a labor union and paid use for the union's representation, he or she should have every right to do so, but if a worker wishes to remain independent and not contribute his or her hard-earned income to union dues, he or she should not be forced to do so.

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That's precisely the decision that our right to work law protects. This has been the policy in the state of tennessee since 1947.. Like other states that have adopted this policy, we have repeated excuse me. We have reaped the economic benefits of it. Studies show that right-to-work states have higher income levels, employment, growth and population growth, the best way to ensure that we remain a right to work state and protect worker freedom for generations to come is to place it in the state constitution.

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We knew how important it was to refuse to adopt a state income tax and we didn't just refuse to do so. We banned one in the state constitution, so this actually puts this law into the state constitution, as we did the opposition to state income tax. So with that, mr chairman I'll be glad to answer any questions.

A

Excuse me, we have folks here to testify today. I believe on this matter and the way I'd like to do this is I'm going to give each side five minutes to present their the opposing viewpoints. We'll have point counterpoint right here in hearing room one today, so uh what we'll do then is following that we will go out a session for that.

A

Any questions that you may have of any of these witnesses are providing their viewpoint. We'll give you a couple minutes for a couple of times. For that, then we will go back in session and take questions for our sponsor, so any misunderstandings about that. None we're going to go out of session and first up we are going to hear from.

A

uh I believe mr billy dyches from the afl-cio. Are you here, mr.

A

Dykers and sir, if you'll come down, tell us your name for for the record.

A

Yes, sir, any one of those spots and you can punch that microphone when you're ready to go and what we'll do is, if you see me doing this, that means wrap her up because we're going to take it about five minutes at a time, and thank you, sir and you're recognized.

M

It on now well, thank you, mr chairman, and member of the commerce committee. My name is billy dykas, I'm president of the tennessee afl-cio, I'm here to speak to you today about working families, opposition to house joint resolution, 72 also known as the right to work amendment when it comes to conversations about this amendment from the proponents in the business community, we've heard a lot about virginia uh other states, uh there's right to work issues in montana, new hampshire. We all anyone- that's followed it.

M

There was right to work issues in wisconsin, michigan, uh recently alabama passed a right to work amendment the the part of this process. It's really can you know is, is kinda confusing to me. Is we live and work in tennessee?

M

We don't live in michigan. We don't live in wisconsin. We don't live in montana maine. We don't live in alabama, even though some football folks would like to be there. I think occasionally, myself included if I could win a few national championships here in tennessee. I'd be a happy man, but the truth of the matter is we're talking about a constitutional amendment that only 10 percent of the people, less than actually less than ten percent of the people in this state are represented by a labor union.

M

So we we're going to pass a constitutional amendment to that to protect 90 of the workers for something that they don't even belong to it. It's kind of it's really and truly it's it's kind of frustrating and I'd like to read a a statement from representative todd at last at last week's subcommittee- and this is this- is a direct quote. It simply protects the worker who does not want part of their paycheck going to support a labor union that they feel no benefit from, or they disagree with. For some reason, that's all it does.

M

It's really an individual right that I think each one of us has not not to be forced to join some kind of organization and pay them money for something we disagree with. As you can see, even the house sponsor is more concerned about something that don't exist even with the current law. That's been in in play for 74 years. That's always been a right. You don't have to belong to a union. That's that's! That's! What right to work means it's a choice.

M

It's been here for 74 years and we're talking about doing something that it's been here for 74 years. Not not any time has ever legislation been brought before this body under the prior administrations. Up until now where people were trying to overturn this right to work law, we've worked within it as union members.

M

We understand it, and- and sometimes you have to understand- if you don't belong to the union- you're you're, no good to the union, if you're not in the union, we're only as strong as our weakest link, so not being in a union sometimes helps us understand where we are as membership. Sometimes we work harder because our members are not in the union, so we work hard to convince them. What we mean, what it means to be a part of a union and collectively have a voice.

M

One thing that that I I do want to talk about today is the issue of civil rights. It's been brought up, it was brought up last week in subcommittee.

M

It's been brought up by the senate sponsor numerous times when he talks about this, that it's a civil right to belong or not to belong to a union. The senate sponsor was actually asked on the senate floor. This very thing could could this constitutional amendment be potential for litigation that could arise from putting it into the constitution and he said it could likely happen.

M

The resolution does not change the fact that people are being fired for wanting a union in the workplace and facing constant intimidation and harassment from union-busting lawyers who are hired by companies to influence what's supposed to be a free and fair election if you've never been involved in a in a organizing campaign- and I have many I've yet to see someone not be fired or company not hire you sometimes from texas lawyers from texas to come in and and meet with the workforce and and tell them all kinds of stories about how bad we are that that's not that's not allowed.

M

From our perspective, we have to meet with people off-site, so it's not a fire and free election. It never has been fair free, but we live with it and we deal with it.

M

Have we become so far detached from working people that those who represent them have now become numb to their concerns over political favors and this constant skies falling mentality?

M

If we're going to ask voters to consider codifying right to work in the constitution might as well ask him to do the same with protecting their civil rights that are being violated in the workplace every time someone wants a union in their workplace. I appreciate your time and I'm willing to answer any questions. Thank you.

A

Thank you for your remarks and four minutes and 56 seconds that sir, was impressive. All right. We have questions for the witness any questions for the witness representative thompson.

I

Thank you, mr chairman. I just wanted to understand. One thing you mentioned in your your um uh presentation, so you say: there's a possibility of outside interest. um uh Bringing litigation against um businesses uh whether it be to have or have not a union is what you're getting in.

M

Representative thompson, there has already been inquiries uh into the potential litigation over where we're headed with this constitutional amendment and and the rights to belong or not to belong to a union, especially around organizing a lot of uh a lot of times. You don't understand what a union is uh and most people. I I come out of a major tire manufacturer here in the state. Most people think that belonging to a union means you go to work somewhere and you uh go in and you decide to be a part of the union or not.

M

That's not all what it's about. There's a lot of efforts afoot- and I don't know if y'all noticed, but there was a recent poll done where 64 of the people in the united states feel like labor unions are important and they feel like they're a part of what we need going forward so there's more to it than just going into the workplace.

M

There's organizing campaigns and- and I I'm here to tell you again- that I've never been a part of an organizing campaign where someone wasn't fired. That's handled under the department of labor guidelines now and and majority of the time. uh We argue that one, the person should be restored to whole and the other he should be allowed to vote in the upcoming election. That normally happens. What doesn't happen is that the person don't go back to work.

M

One of one of the deals that's worked out in in that negotiations with the department of labor is that person is separated from employment. He gets some amount of monetary pay. Sometimes it's up to a year. I've seen them pay up to a year.

M

The company doesn't want that employee back because he's a union friendly employee uh he does get to vote in the election. So there there's a lot of issues that are ongoing and and it's it look, there's there's good and bad in both sides of this issue and and it's difficult. I will say this, though in the state of tennessee and I and I would challenge any of you and even some of my friends from the business community.

M

We, as union representatives, have the best working relationship with the companies that we represent opposed, and I can take that to any other state in this country. We go out of our way to be a part of labor management to work through our issues. The tire plant that I come out of is in the top five in the world in every category and the average salary is almost 29 an hour. So we are able to compete because we work with management and we work with business because hey if business is not successful, we're not either.

M

So I I think that you know we're jumping the gun on something that we really don't have to do and I'll apologize. If I ran on too long, no.

A

Thank you, sir. Do we have any further questions from mr diecast.

B

Thank you, mr chairman. I certainly want to thank mr dyches for being here he's a native from bedford county, but he currently lives in the wonderful 47th district in coffee county, uh I've known billy for a while now, and he certainly uh provides a lot of quality leadership to the workers in tennessee. He's always been fair and I think and uses a lot of common sense in his dealings in every in every way that I've always known him so anyway. I want to thank you for being here and thank you for your leadership.

A

Thank you, sir representative, sparks.

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Yeah uh billy, I just wanted to you've. We've had great conversation uh aj as well. um Recently I had jim brown at my rotary club and I know jim's, probably thinking. uh Oh, what sparks fixing to say he's scared, uh but we were back at my rotor club in smyrna and he really talked highly of y'all about the great camaraderie back and forth. He talked about his book about, I think civility. I think I don't know the name of it. Jim, I'm sorry, but um but I just want to thank you.

H

You know I've worked in a factory. I've seen my co-workers pass out in the summer months. I never felt like I needed the union. I was a good employee prayed every day to leave that factor and the good lord opened the doors for me. But um but I appreciate your attitude. You've always been great to deal with. We could agree to disagree um and I like that, the back and forth that you all have even there's some areas.

H

You all find common ground, so um I'm probably going to vote for the bill, but I just want to thank you for for just just how you handle yourself, and I think you you make a great ambassador for who you represent. So thank you.

A

Thank you, sir representative towns,.

L

Mr chairman, thank you as well and billy always thank you for the presentation you and aj. Always. I guess my concern, mr chairman, is that um we call it a right to work state and you ain't got no right to work. It's an oxymoron because people can be like go for anything at any.

L

Given time I mean I used to think that was the case when I didn't understand what that term meant, but it's not what it says at all okay, so I think we ought to have truth in how we describe some of these things, because it can confuse young people in particular, but I guess you know, I love what you said in terms of being able to work together with corporations, because if you don't have corporations, obviously it impacts our entire community, so business and labor as much as possible.

L

There's going to always be a happy marriage, but as much as possible. You want to work together, but, mr chairman, my concern would always be. What are we adding to? You know our our sacred documents um that we all hold dear in the state and at the national level, whether we adding things that we should or should or should not, okay, even with the income tax. While many of us opposed the income tax, I was not uh readily.

L

You know, and I think it's been good for our state, but I was not readily available to put it in our constitution at all. But thanks for your presentation,.

A

And looking for the last questions for our witness, mr dykas representative, calvi.

G

Thank mr chairman uh billy, thank you for being here.

G

I've had a great relationship with you and aj for about eight years now and it's more of a statement than a question, but I'm probably the only republican member of the house representatives that ever belonged to the labor union and I've actually been part of an organizing effort back in the 70s at the k25 plant in oak ridge for the weekly salaried employees and it was rolling along pretty good and then we got about a 15 percent raise and as into that, so you know how that works.

G

Now my dad was a teamster for 30 years and his philosophy. He started at the y-12 planting oak ridge in 1951 and his philosophy was I'm a union member. I've got some protection, I get better pay of it and what have you and I'm obligated by that to do a better job than non-union people now? Having said that, in the 70s, a lot of young folks were kind of taking over the unions and their goal was to do as little as possible, and I see you're agreeing with me and still keep a job.

G

Well, that's that's faded away pretty much now, and I've got a lot of friends who belong to labor unions, most of them construction workers, and uh I was really having second thoughts about this.

G

We talked about this the other day and then our united states congress passed a bill in the house representatives to do away with the right to work in 17 states, tennessee being one of them of course, as as I think aj and I talked about this morning, it probably never passed the senate, but I'm going to have to vote for this, because I don't want to take the risk of us losing the right to work and I don't think it will in fact affect the labor unions in any way.

G

I don't think it will hurt the labor unions, and uh so I'm gonna, I'm gonna vote for this. Thank you, mr chairman.

A

I've got to turn on my button, so the world can hear me we're um to release you, sir, to go back to your chair. We thank you for your uh well-reasoned arguments and thank you for sharing some time with us today and for the counterpoint we're going to be hearing from uh justin owen, with the beacon impact center, bradley jackson, with tennessee chamber of commerce and jim brown from the national federation of independent businesses and y'all get to uh well.

A

Let's see, let's see, we've got that looks a lot like ryan king, so you guys get to cut up your five minutes. Let's see if you can get as close to it as uh mr dykas did. But uh the floor is yours,.

O

Well, thank you, mr chairman, members of the committee, I'm justin owen, with beacon impact. I'm here today to ask you to support sjr or hjr 72. a right to work really is a tennessee tradition.

O

It's something that we've long held valuable in our state, the right to decide whether to join a union and pay dues or the right to choose not to do so. It's also been a very important played a very instrumental role in our economic growth as a state. In addition to being such a fundamental right. Unfortunately, this has come under attack both nationally.

O

Just last week, the u.s house of representatives passed the pro act, which would ban right-to-work laws nationally, our majors in virginia, who have been right to work since 1947, just like tennessee, have tried for two straight years to repeal it there. So we believe that the best way to protect this right here for generations to come is to put it in our state constitution.

O

As representative todd said, this is exactly what you did as a legislature with the income tax, you not only refused to enact one but took the steps to ban one in the state constitution, putting it before voters in 2014, where two-thirds of them voted.

O

Yes on amendment three, we believe the right to work is equally an important part of our economic success story, we're just as proudly right to work as we are: income tax, free and tennesseans agree. 68 percent of them, according to a beacon center poll, said that they would vote to put this in the state constitution.

O

So I'm here today to ask you to give them that opportunity next november. Thank you.

N

This one am I on okay, good, first of all, jim brown with nfib. Thank you, representative sparks. Thank you for your comment. Earlier I was at the rotary club and you know we do have a lot of things that we do agree on and I think that bill earlier, the chairman boyd passed on workers, compensation with misclassification, that's something that the unions and the business community agree on. So uh there is a lot to celebrate in the state. That's a good bill that you you pass chairman boyd!

N

um It's 27 right, uh 27 states that would lose right to work if the u.s senate passes that legislation that the u.s house of representatives passed last week for the second time in two years, so we wouldn't be here unless what was going on around the country. Mr dykes mentioned virginia.

N

That also has our attention, not just what's going on in congress with the effort to eradicate right to work laws, but last year they tried to repeal very serious effort to repeal their right to work law which has been on the books since 1947 in virginia 70, some odd years and 1947 for us here. In in tennessee, first state was was florida 1943., it was bipartisan back. Then everyone locked locked arms and said this is good for workers. This is good for business.

N

So that's why this this came about as a reaction to uh taft hartley back in the 30s.

N

It was governor, northum, a democrat in in virginia that spoke out forcefully that we don't want to do this in our state. I'm I'm good with some other things that the the unions are advocating for. But this is not what you want to do in virginia and we appreciated governor north from doing that in virginia. um He said it was bad for the state's economy and it would hurt choice for workers.

N

A couple of quotes from the biden administration also has our attention. The president said we should change the federal law so that there's no right to work allowed anywhere in the country and vice president harris in 2019 in in las vegas. I believe in an seiu event, said: banning right to work. Laws has to happen.

N

This resolution has the strong support of small business. We just pulled this in january, nearly three out of four nfib members support, putting it in the constitution, more support right to work, but it's because of what's going on in the country so in. In conclusion: let's protect workplace freedom and choice in tennessee.

N

Let's send a message to what's going on in congress. We don't like what's happening up there and let's give the voters the chance. You all are merely authorizing the voters to give to give the voters the chance in 2022 in the next election. So thank you very much.

B

Thank you, mr chairman and committee ryan, king with the tennessee chamber, and it's good to be with you all, and it's good to talk to you all the past couple weeks about right to work, something that's very important to the chamber, uh obviously, and our our partners here and especially chairman todd. Thank you for your passion on this issue. You've been been very passionate about it. As you all know, this is a bedrock doctrine to tennessee. It's something.

B

That's been on the books since 1947 over 70 years, uh and what we're looking to do here is not change the policy of the state but elevate this policy to the state constitution. uh We think that it's so closely held in tennessee and been such a driver to our business climate in tennessee that we want to. We want to elevate that so I'll I'll be very quick.

B

uh What we want to uh really convey from a chamber standpoint is that our members overwhelmingly through our annual survey, uh think right to work is the right thing to do in tennessee and elevating it into our constitution. Is the right thing to do and most importantly, we hear from a number of employees, almost monthly who are thinking about moving to tennessee, that this is the number one check the box item. Are you a right to work state and, of course we are.

A

Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen, for.

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Sharing that with us.

A

We're going to ask you to wrap we're going to consider that a wrap. Do we have any questions for these these folks, I've got I've have several we're go. I saw representative towns first, we're going to start with him.

L

I'll make it brief, mr chairman. Thank you, gentlemen. Either one could respond in the event that this actually right to work is banned at the federal level. How does it impact us in tennessee now.

N

If that law passes congress, yes, sir well we'd have a fight on our hands. I believe you'd have 27 states that would think otherwise and there's probably going to be lawsuits. I believe there's nine or 10 states that have put it in their constitution. Alabama was the last in 2016..

N

uh We would, I think, we'd be 10 or 11 somewhere in their 10., um and this is this is somewhat of a reaction to what's going on with trying to eliminate it and just to your point, this happens all the time, but employment at will, which you were describing earlier uh verbs of towns. That is the right to hire and fire that is separate from right to work. This is just saying that your employment is not conditional on paying union dues or not. You have the choice, whether to pay it or not.

N

So it's it's separate all right. Mr thank you. Members.

A

Thank you, representative, hodges.

K

Thank you, and- and you know, I heard the comment. Tennessee's economic success, and so my question would be is success for who, because we we lead the country in in minimum wage jobs. We lead the country in every statistical category that talks about poverty um and and we're a welfare state right. We we receive more money from the federal government than we give. So what exactly are what success are we talking about? What are we dominating in besides poverty.

O

Thank you, mr chairman representative, if you look at studies, they have shown that you have real higher income growth in right-to-work states. You have more employment growth in right-to-work states, more population growth in right-to-work states. I think tennessee was just the number one u-haul state of people moving into our state using u-hauls, and so I do think that we are a magnet for people wanting to come here and live in a society with a free economy. We do have a long way to go in certain areas, but right to work.

O

States have proven to be better economically in these areas that I just mentioned representative.

A

Hodges you got to follow up.

K

Yes, sir, because so since 1947 we've been a right to work, stay and and we're we're struggling in all these categories again, we're we're ranked number one in minimum wage jobs, we're ranked in the top five of of every category for child poverty uh income levels. I mean we do a terrible job in taking care of working-class families in tennessee to say that that we're uh successful here when more tennesseans are on welfare than than the vast majority of other states is crazy to me, and I don't consider that success. So thank you.

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N

uh I believe it's the mackinac study. Do you want to the mackinac study in michigan showed that if you an apple and an orange, if you really look at the cost of living and other factors that and you you have some points there- that there are areas where there's higher numbers. But when you add everything up the mackinaw study, I believe it's 2014 we can get this to. You shows that um we're actually doing better than many other states.

A

All righty uh representative thompson.

I

Thank you, mr chairman, and thank you, gentlemen for your presentations. uh You know I keep hearing about the the federal law. That's been passed in the house and you know there. There have been a lot of there have been several presidents. There's been a lot of congresses that are tend to be very much pro-labor and very much.

I

Anti-Right to work from 1946 owned to the present time, yet it's never been overturned. What gives you the idea that the current congress would um would would overturn right to work.

N

You wanna go well they're trying to I mean that's what's happening, that's why we're here when this came to our attention two years ago we went. Why would we do that? Someone even said one of my labor attorneys said: aren't we piling on and we were like? Okay, do we really want to do this, and then we looked at what's happening in virginia. There was a judge in indiana that overturned their right to work law or voted or decided a year after they passed their law in 2012., and that got our attention.

N

The supreme court unanimously reversed it and just to just to add this. This is something that hasn't come up in the other committees, but we have made so much progress with labor law and I've told billy this a few times I'd where this is not stopping anyone's right to organize. This is just saying what I said earlier, but we've made so much progress in in labor law at the federal level and the state level you all passed, the pregnant workers, fairness act that got worked out of last year.

N

I mean we're we're adding protections year after year. After year, and so I we believe that um this this is a bedrock law for our economy, for workers who want to come here, like mr owen said, for choice and freedom, and that's just you know, we feel strongly about it.

A

All right, thank you for that for our last question of our witnesses uh today, uh chairman zachary and then we'll go back in session.

D

uh Thank you, mr chairman. Real quick before I'm gonna ask just for the simplicity of it and plus you guys are through a plexiglas. So I can't see that. Well, I'm gonna ask you a question in a second justin, but I just wanna. I think it's important for clarity um and being on finance. I have some of these statistics really readily available to me, but tennessee has the fastest growing median income in the southeast.

D

We currently rank number one in the southeast ahead of mississippi arkansas louisiana, alabama, kentucky south carolina and throwing west virginia into median income. Our median income in tennessee is 52 375 dollars. The closest to us is south carolina, just above 52 000, then there's a significant drop to kentucky alabama louisiana on and on in that order, so just to bring clarity to uh in terms of income in our state.

D

But let me just ask quickly just to make sure I'm correct and justin just correct me if I'm wrong and how I, how I see and understand this argument, uh it's important to remember that we are republic. We are not a democracy, we're a republic which puts the value on the individual and so in right to in a right to work state. We simply are saying that a union cannot force the individual to become a member or to pay dues.

D

They cannot force that so we are solidifying in this p in this constitutional amendment that we're simply saying that we value the right of the individual, and this is not an attack on the union. This is not about the union. This is about the individual and protecting the individual liberty and the rights of the individual and you're simply telling me if I'm correct in that assessment,.

O

Mr chairman uh representative, that is correct. This also prevents the employer from violating that individual right, allowing that person to make that decision or not make that decision. It protects their decision to join a union and pay dues just as much as it protects their decision not to join in union and pay dues, and I believe that, fundamentally that's their right to make not anyone else's.

O

Thank you, mr chairman.

A

Yes, sir, thank you all for being with us today. Both sides both points and counterpoints, we're going to call uh chairman todd back to the podium and if you have any I've got uh representative we're not okay. Now we're back in session now we're going to do some business. uh Any questions for representative todd before we move forward representative todd you want to surmise quickly here, as the hour is fleeting.

J

Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Mr chairman, I will say this is not about me. I have a small business in west tennessee, very small number of employees. My dad was a member of a labor union for many many many years, most of my growing up years into my adult years. I have a brother who is a part of a labor union that was even represented here today and a nephew. This has nothing to do with damaging labor unions whatsoever.

J

This is strictly, as representative zachary said, about a person's right to work or right to choose whether they're part of a labor union or not. That's simply all this is about, and it enshrines that with the threats that we have from the federal government in federal overreach. That, I think all of us would agree enshrines that in our constitution to protect us. So I appreciate your consideration, sir, and I renew my motion.

A

All right, we have a question for you from representative thompson. I saw your hand.

I

Thank you, mr chairman, uh thank you for the presentation. um You know. A lot of us are really um concerned that uh adding this to the constitution is simply trivializing the constitution that you know you know this has been in our code for uh 74 years and uh you know there have been democratic super majorities. You know during much of that time, but nobody's sought to try to overturn it or had a serious effort.

I

um So the the thought is in the future. uh What, if somebody else, what if our legislature changes to the point that we want to abolish right to work and that's one of the motivations for this amendment? If I, as I understand it, let me ask you: do you, um you believe that we, as representatives, should listen to our constituents and try to to do the will of our.

J

Constituents. Thank you, mr chairman, thank you for the question. I certainly believe we are here to represent our constituents and has been stated. The vast majority of our citizens believe this right should be enshrined in the constitution, and this effort is just to give them the ability to vote on that.

A

Representative thompson.

I

So suppose um you know in in we'll be a right-to-work state as long as any of us are here and probably as long as any of us are alive, but in the future sometime the future, suppose the attitudes of tennesseans change they want to do that. Why do we have to put this in the constitution?

I

It's done fine for 74 years in in the tennessee code, annotated. So um why don't we just keep it there? It's done fine and it will not change anything.

A

Representative todd.

J

Thank you, mr chairman. I mean, I think, that the reasons have already been stated here. I'd just be repeating those, so I I just renew my emotion, sir.

A

Representative moon, I saw your hand.

G

Thank you, mr chairman. I moved previous question.

A

All righty we've got to mo and with any objections to previous questions, seeing none we are going to be voting on house joint resolution. 72.. The result of this vote will, if it passes, will go to finance subcommittee. I want to thank all of our people to testify. Today. I did a great job of presenting your your positions on it. So all those house joint resolution, 72 in favor, please say aye aye. All those opposed, I believe the eyes have it house bill house, joint resolution house joint resolution. 72 goes to finance any other business.

A

I recognize you representative, sparks yeah.

H

Real quick, the name of that book, is ending our own civil war, a path for political recovery and spiritual renewal. The reason I say this and I hope, everybody's listening y'all listen up. Now.

H

I had protesters at my house at four in the morning those protesters freaked out my wife, seven cop cars at my house. Those protesters were paid for by some left-wing radical group. That's not civility. Those people are welcome. To call me aj can call me billy call me jim call me. I don't know if any of y'all ever dealt with that at four in the morning, but I don't like people trying to intimidate my wife so for the record. Thank you, jim. Thank you, a.j.

H

Thank you, billy, for what you do all righty and with that.

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