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House Criminal Justice Committee- April 13, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
A
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
what
we
think
will
be
the
last
meeting
of
the
house
criminal
justice
committee
for
wednesday
april,
the
13th
madam
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
sheriff,
the
audible
kyle
hilton
is
here
sitting
right
back
there
when
I
needed
a
when
I
wanted
to
get
into
law
enforcement,
I
went
to
him
and
said:
how
do
I
do
it
and
he
he
told
me
the
way
to
do
it
and
he
hired
me
when
I
needed
a
job
and
put
me
in
the
jail
and
corrections
and
then
later
on,
brought
me
out
on
the
road
as
a
deputy,
and
so
I'm
very
thankful
for
him,
and
I
appreciate
the
service
that
he
provides
our
county
each
day.
E
E
A
Very
good,
very
good,
and
I
it
is,
I
believe
it
is
sheriff's
day
on
the
hill.
We've
got
a
full
house
and
I'd
be.
I
would
embarrass
myself
if
I
tried
to
introduce
all
of
you,
but
would
you
mind
standing
please
just
so
we
can
all
see
who
you
are.
I
know
that
we've
got
a
big
crowd
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
And-
and
we
thank
you
all
for
your
service,
not
only
for
being
here,
but
thank
you
for
your
service.
We
know
it's
election
year
and
we
know
that
it's
also
a
work
day.
You've
got
plenty
of
work
you
could
be
doing
today.
So
thank
you
for
coming
up
here
watching
us
as
we
deliberate
chairman,
how
I
have
you
next
on
my
list,
sir.
Thank.
G
H
A
C
Griffey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Unfortunately,
my
sheriffs
couldn't
be
here,
but
the
sheriff
of
my
neighboring
county
is
andy
dixon.
Where
are
you
stand
up?
Please
thank
you
for
being
here.
A
All
right
members
seeing
no
further
personal
orders.
As
I
said,
we
do
have
a
very
full
agenda
today.
The
first
item
is
going
to
be,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
yes,
there
is
chair
lady
moody
right.
There
first
item
is
house
resolution
174
by
speaker,
sexton,
being
carried
by
chair
lady
moody,
chair
lady
moody,
you're
recognized.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
A
Not
a
problem
and
while
you're
preparing,
I
will
say
just
a
brief
note
and
you
you
may
be
mentioning
this
as
well,
chair
lady,
but
on
this
on
this
appointment,
michael
donovan
of
the
tbi,
of
course,
I
think,
is
a
very
solid
candidate
here.
I
do
want
to
mention.
He
unfortunately,
is
not
able
to
be
here
today.
He
would
have
been
here
if
we
were
meeting
at
our
normal
committee.
Time
had
scheduled
to
do
that.
A
Unfortunately,
he
is
involved
in
a
training
in
another
part
of
the
state
at
this
time,
and
so
that's
part
of
having
high
quality
candidates
is
that
they're
busy?
So
we're
we're
glad
to
know
that
he's
out
serving
the
interests
of
the
state
and
hopefully
chair,
lady
moody,
I
have
filibustered
long
enough
for
you
to
get
prepared,
so
you're
recognized.
B
Well,
it
is
an
honor
for
me
to
carry
this.
I
have
known
michael
donovan
for
a
long
time.
We
are
from
the
same
county,
tifton
county.
He
has
served
us
well
as
a
d.a
and
their
the
western
division
service
he
had
and
and
now
and
where
he
is
in
the
comptroller's
office,
and
I
I
I
can't
give
enough
accolades
to
to
what
a
great
job
he
will
do.
He
is
serious.
B
He
is
thorough,
he
is
he's.
I
don't
want
to
give
him
the
big
head
too
much,
but
anyway
he
will.
He
will
do
a
great
job.
I
I
I
have
every
confidence
in
his
abilities
and
his
determination
and
and
what
he
can
do
in
this
area,
and
so
with
that,
I
I
wholeheartedly
ask
and
pray
that
this
will
come
about
and
I'm
honored
to
carry
this
in
in
his
absence
and
for
you
all
today.
A
A
Available
on
two
nominees,
first
of
all,
we
have
tom
greenholtz,
a
criminal
court
judge
of
the
sixth
district,
which
is
in
knox
county
division.
Two
and
he's
been
in
that
position
since
2015,
and
then
we
will
also
hear
from
kyle
hickson
who's
a
criminal
court
judge
in
the
11th
judicial
district,
which
is
hamilton,
county
division,
2
and
he's
been
in
that
position
since
2020
and
as
I'd
typically
like
to
do
before
we
enter
into
this,
is
folks
who
are
watching
whether
whether
live
stream
or
in
the
room
so
that
they'll
understand
this
process.
A
A
lot
of
folks
don't
realize.
There's
a
lot
of
attention
paid
to
judicial
confirmation
hearings
at
the
federal
level.
A
lot
of
folks
don't
realize
back
home
that
we
also
have
this
obligation
at
the
state
level.
So
I
want
to
briefly
explain
why
we're
here
today,
a
constitutional
amendment
proposing
the
judicial
nomination
confirmation
process
was
approved
by
the
voters
of
the
state.
On
november,
the
4th
2014.,
the
pers.
A
A
The
role
the
criminal
justice
committee
of
the
house
of
representatives
and
the
judiciary
committee
of
the
senate
are
to
hold
hearings
on
the
nominee
and
to
provide
a
recommendation
either
for
confirmation
of
the
nominee
or
rejection
of
the
nominee
to
their
respective
bodies
and
then
I'll
kind
of
talk
about
how
this
hearing
will
proceed.
So
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
governor's
chief
counsel,
as
we
have
many
times
now
on
this
committee,
we'll
introduce
each
of
the
nominees.
A
So
if
there's
any
questions
about
that
process,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
and
if
not,
we
will
now
go
out
of
session
we're
now
out
of
session,
and
I
would
like
to
call
forward
jonathan
scramedy,
governor's
chief
legal
counsel,
sir
you're
well
known
to
this
committee.
But
if
you
could
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
share
with
this
committee,
whatever
you'd
like
thank.
B
You,
mr
chairman,
jonathan
scramedy,
chief
counsel,
to
governor
lee.
It
is
a
privilege
to
appear
before
you
today
to
introduce
these
two
nominees.
B
Both
are
proud
graduates
of
the
university
of
tennessee
school
of
law,
one's
a
proud
graduate
of
utk
as
an
undergrad.
The
other
is
a
proud
graduate
of
utc
as
an
undergrad.
B
I
will
not
take
too
much
time
with
them
because
I
know
you're
busy,
but
I
will
say
we
are
very
enthusiastic
from
the
governor
on
down
through
the
administration,
about
the
opportunity
to
add
these
two
gentlemen
to
the
court
of
criminal
appeals.
I
would
also
remind
you
that,
pursuant
to
rule
210
of
the
code
of
judicial
ethics,
they
cannot
comment
on
cases
that
either
will
be
or
might
be
before
the
court.
So
if
you
ask
a
question
that
they
can't
answer,
I'd
just
like
to
remind
you:
that's
not
because
they're
trying
to
be
evasive.
B
A
G
G
I'd
like
to
thank
my
family,
my
wife
kathy,
my
daughter,
caroline
and
my
son,
michael
without
their
support.
No
one
gets
this
far
at
all.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
two
judges
on
the
court
of
criminal
appeals
who
are
retiring.
Both
judge,
ogle
and
judge
thomas
both
of
those
judges
have
given
outstanding
service
to
this
state.
G
As
I
heard
one
of
our
other
judicial
candidates
earlier
say,
no
one
can
step
into
their
shoes.
All
we
can
do
is
hope
to
succeed
them
and
do
the
outstanding
work
that
they've
done
just
a
little
bit
about
me.
I'm
a
proud
husband
of
23
years.
G
As
I
said,
I'm
a
father
of
two
I'm
a
member
of
saint
peter's
episcopal
church
in
chattanooga,
where
I
serve
on
the
vestry,
I'm
a
proud
graduate
of
the
university
of
tennessee
at
chattanooga
go
mox
and
then
graduated
from
law
school
in
1999
from
the
university
of
tennessee.
G
A
Thank
you
judge
greenhouse
for
that
statement
and
we
will,
before
we
head
to
the
next
I'll,
see
if
we
have
any
questions
from
the
committee.
Any
questions,
members,
okay,
seeing
none
judge,
hickson
we'll
go
to
you.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
also
let
me
thank
the
members
of
this
committee,
as
you
mentioned,
mr
chairman,
this
is
a
very
important
constitutional
duty
that
the
members
of
this
committee
have,
and
I
know
you
take
it
seriously,
and
I
thank
you
for
that.
I
am
honored
to
be
here
today.
I
do
want
to
introduce
you
to
a
couple
people
with
out
there
love
and
help
over
the
years.
I
wouldn't
be
here
right
behind
me.
Here
are
my
parents,
junior
and
sharon
hickson?
D
I
was
born
and
raised
in
crossville,
mom
and
dad
still
live
there,
and
they
were
very
pleased
and
honored
to
be
here
today
to
support
me.
I
want
to
thank
them
so
much
for
being
here.
My
wife,
rachel
is
back
in
knoxville
with
our
two
older
girls.
D
We
decided
to
keep
them
in
school
these
couple
of
days
that
I'll
be
in
nashville,
but
without
her
love
and
support
throughout
this
process.
Throughout
my
career
as
a
practicing
attorney,
and
also
since
I've
been
on
the
bench
as
a
judge,
I
would
not
be
here
without
her
love
and
help,
and
I
want
to
thank
her.
She
is
watching
today.
So
we
have
three
beautiful
daughters,
harper,
hattie
and
henley,
and
we're
just
so
pleased
and
honored
to
be
here.
D
I
also
want
to
extend
my
gratitude
to
governor
lee
for
the
faith
that
he
has
shown
in
both
judge
greenholtz
and
myself.
I'm
also
thankful
to
governor
lee
for
putting
me
on
the
criminal
court
bench
two
years
ago,
when
I
was
first
appointed
to
serve
in
knoxville.
D
D
For
a
two-year
period,
and
then
I
spent
five
years
back
in
knoxville,
serving
as
deputy
district
attorney
to
our
elected
d.a
in
knox,
county,
sharm
allen
and
of
course,
as
I've
said,
I've
been
on
the
criminal
court
bench
there
in
knoxville
for
two
years,
so
I'm
honored
to
be
here
honored
to
be
a
part
of
this
very
important
process,
and
I
look
forward
to
answering
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have.
Mr
chairman,.
A
I
I
I
G
Sure
I'll
take
it.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
question.
It's
important
and
I
think,
as
judge
hickson,
I
think,
would
echo
this.
It
starts
with
your
trial
court
judge.
Your
trial
court
judge
has
to
keep
an
active
eye
on
the
dockets.
The
trial
court
judge
has
a
responsibility
to
move
those
cases,
and
so,
if
you've
got
cases
that
are
on
the
docket
year
after
year
after
year,
I'm
not
going
to
say
it's.
G
The
fault
of
the
trial
court
judge,
but
I
will
say,
the
trial
court
judge
bears
a
lot
of
that
responsibility.
I
think
throughout
the
the
covid
period
I'll
tell
you.
My
trials
have
backed
up
for
a
while.
We
were
unable
to
physically
hold
jury
trials
in
our
courtroom.
Since
we've
opened
up,
jury
trial
is
going
and
judge.
My
guess
is
the
same
as
in
in
your
court.
We're
holding
jury
trials
all
the
time
now
to
clear
that
backlog,
but
we're
doing
it
purposefully,
we're
doing
it
intentionally
and
we're
keeping
an
active
eye
on
those
dockets.
G
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
gentlemen,
I
don't
have
any
questions
for
you
or
your
honors.
I
just
want
to
express
my
appreciation
for
both
of
you
all
the
service
you've
already
provided
to
the
citizens
in
tennessee
and
and
upholding
the
law
and
abiding
by
the
law
and
doing
doing
your
duty
and
then
being
willing
to
serve
again
in
the
court
of
appeals
is
a
very
important
position
and
you
you
all
both
know
that,
and
we
want
to
just
express
our
thanks
for
that
and
express
my
thanks.
Thank
you.
So
much
representative.
A
G
You,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
both
for
the
courtesy
visit
that
you
paid
in
my
office
yesterday.
I
had
really
enjoyed
visiting
with
you
both
and
was
pleased
to
learn
that
we
have
some
mutual
friends
in
the
judicial
circles
and
a
look
at
your
experience
and
your
background,
and
I
think
the
governor's
made
some
excellent
choices
in
your
behalf
and
I
look
forward
to
supporting
your
confirmation.
Thank
you,
mr.
A
I'll
just
kind
of
close
out
by
saying
this,
thank
you
both
for
for
your
willingness
to
serve,
and
I'm
I'm
always
so
heartened
by
the
patriots
that
we
find
in
state
government
and
again
in
the
political
sphere.
Sometimes
it's
easy
to
throw
rocks
it's
easy
to
to
get
caught
up
in
the
kind
of
the
the
public
persona
of
what's
happening
down
here
and
what
I
try
to
remind
my
folks
back
home
is
look.
There
are
a
lot
of
people.
A
You
never
hear
of
state
government
who
are
working
hard
every
day
to
make
sure
that
you,
you
live
in
the
best
state
in
the
union
and-
and
I
count
you
both
you,
gentlemen,
among
that,
so
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
state,
especially
you
judge.
I
know
I
think
our
children
are
roughly
near
the
same
in
age.
A
I've
got
some
young
children
and
I
know
I
spend
a
lot
of
hours
in
this
building
when
I
could
be
at
home
at
a
soccer
game
or
ballet
recital
or
something
like
that,
and
so
so
it's
it
doesn't
go
unnoticed,
but
I'm
sure
the
time
away
from
both
of
your
families
is
difficult.
But
but
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Thank.
J
A
A
A
A
Good
good
luck,
as
you
continue
to
travel
through
this
process,
and
this
committee
again
wholeheartedly
recommends
both
of
you.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment.
Do
I
hear
a
second?
We
have
a
second,
sir.
You
have
a
motion,
a
second
on
the
amendment.
I
believe
the
amendment
makes
the
bill
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
to
get
that
on
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
15489
to
house
bill.
2816,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
you
adopt
server
on
your
bill
is
amended.
Please
describe
your
bill.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee.
Under
present
law.
It
is
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
if
a
dog
is
left,
restrained
with
a
core
tether
or
chain
under
unfavorable
circumstances
and
suffers
physical
injury,
but
we
also
know
that
there
does
not
have
to
be
apparent.
Physical
injury
and
the
animal
can
still
suffer
the
amended
house
bill.
B
A
I
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
would
this
be
applicable
where
I
live
in
giles
county
when
we
have
a
tornado
warning,
that's
issued
or
it's
issued
for
the
entire
county.
They
don't
issue
it
for
subdivisions
or
for
streets
or
anything
of
that
nature.
It's
for
the
entire
county.
Recently
we've
had
a
string
of
storms
that
have
come
through
and
just
one
portion
of
the
county
would
have.
D
B
A
D
You
know
just
light
rain,
it's
not
a
severe
storm
there,
but
they
issue
it
for
the
entire
county.
And
so
my
question
was:
how
would
this
would
it
apply
to
persons
who
maybe
lived
in
the
southern
end
of
the
county
where
it
may
be
just
light
rain
and
their
dog
is
tethered
versus
someone
on
the
north
end
of
the
county?
Where
there's
a
potential
tornado,
the
warning
has
been
issued.
There
may
not
be
a
sighting,
but
conditions
are
favorable
for
a.
B
D
Well,
my
question
would
be
if
someone
is
at
work
and
their
dog
is
tethered
or
tied
or
went
to
the
store,
and
then
the
tornado
warning
occurs,
but
it's
in
reality.
It's
on
the
the
northeastern
part
of
the
county,
whereas
the
southwestern
part
where
your
dog
is,
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
that
how
that
would
work,
because
it
could
be
confusing
for
the
residents
who
are
the
dog
owners.
D
It
could
also
be
confusing
for
law
enforcement
and
others
just
to
what
do
we
do
in
this
situation,
because
the
language
specifically
states,
you
know
a
tornado
warning
or
even
a
severe.
You
know,
maybe
if
it's
a
flood
warning
and
you
live
on
top
of
a
big
hill
where
you're
not
going
to
experience
any
flooding.
That's
no
further
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
doggett,
any
further
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
are
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2860
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
that
was
opposed,
sir
the
eyes
have
it,
you
get
the
calendar
and
rules
if
you
wish
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
please
let
the
clerk
know
thank.
A
I
want
to
make
an
announcement
that
this
bill
was
not
calendared
in
senate
judiciary,
so
there's
been
no
movement
on
this
bill,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
a
subsequent
bill
all
encompasses
this
language,
so
we
have
a
bill
coming
up
later
on
our
cannabis
calendar
by
representative
jernigan,
which
should
that
bill
make
it
out
of
this
committee.
This
language
is
included
in
that
and
that
bill
has
passed
the
senate.
So
without
objection
that
is
going
to
the
special
calendar.
A
A
I'm
being
advised,
we
need
to
adopt
both
amendments.
So
first
we
have
amendment
coded
5736,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
5736,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt.
That
brings
us
to
house
criminal
justice
subcommittee.
Amendment
number
two,
which
is
amendment
coded
one,
six,
six,
two
six.
So
I
hear
a
motion
in
a
second
representative
beck
is
ready
to
vote
and
because
of
that,
we
will
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
code
16626
to
house
bill.
A
A
Simply
does
is
we
have
two
different
reports
right
now:
the
vulnerable
adult
protective
investigative
team
report
and
then
the
c
report
involving
child
abuse,
and
it
just
aligns
those
two
reports
and
creates
a
registry.
B
For
those
facilities
that
handle
that
population.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill:
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill?
630
is
amended
to
finance.
Please
signify,
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
five
house
bill
673
by
vice
chairman
freeman,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
I
also
see
amendment
coded
16908.
You
wish
to
move
that
amendment
sir.
A
All
right
members
of
the
amendment
makes
the
bill,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
16908
to
house
bill
673,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
server
on
your
bill
estimate.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
of
committee
house,
bill
673,
expands
confidentiality,
protection
for
victims
of
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault
or
stalking
by
restricting
an
advocate
from
disclosing
communications
from
the
victim
without
their
consent
in
judicial,
legislative
or
administrative
proceedings.
This
bill
also
allows
the
court
to
disclose
information
deemed
relevant
after
a
case
review.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
legislation.
I'm
not
fundamentally
opposed
to
the
purpose
I
think
you're
trying
to
accomplish.
But
again
my
my
objections
to
this
legislation
is
you're,
potentially
going
to
exclude
exculpatory
evidence
that
a
defendant
has
a
right
to
present
at
a
trial
in
his
defense.
C
If
the
bill
was
amended,
that
would
say
any
statements
concerning
identity.
Description
of
the
alleged
defendant
perpetrator
must
be
disclosed
to
the
district
attorney's
office,
because
they're
ultimately
responsible
for
getting
exculpatory
evidence
to
the
defendant
and
as
part
of
the
court
proceedings.
I
I
think
I
could
probably
support
your
legislation.
I
just
as
it's
written
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna,
protect
all
communications
and
as
a
defendant
or
defense
attorney.
C
So
I
wish
we
would
think
about
amending
the
bill
to
carve
out
something
where
exculpatory
statements
or
potentially
esculpatory
statements
must
be
disclosed
to
the
prosecuting
district
attorney
in
the
case,
so
that
protections
can
be
provided
and
the
balance
can
be
maintained
for
protecting
the
victim,
but
also
a
defendant
who's
accused
of
a
crime.
If
there's
esculpatory
evidence
out
there,
they
have
access
to
it.
So,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
sponsor
for
that.
E
Thank
you
chairman
and
again,
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
appreciate
us
talking
about
it
and
in
at
depth
in
the
subcommittee
and
and
I'll
repeat
a
little
bit
of
what
I
said
there.
These
victim
advocates
are
not
are
not
there
for
the
defense,
they
are
there
to
help
the
victim
in
their
time
of
of
great
crisis.
E
The
the
person
being
accused
absolutely
has
a
right
to
defend
themselves
against
the
accuser,
and
if,
if
the
advocate
were
to
make
an
accusation,
they
could
they
could
have
that
information
brought
up
in
court
and
then
the
the
second
part
is
under
section
c
and
I'm
gonna
read
it.
This
section
does
not
limit
the
ability
of
a
court
to
compel
disclosure.
E
If,
upon
the
motion
of
a
party,
the
court
determines,
after
an
in-camera
interview
that,
and
then
it
runs
through
the
information
sought
as
relevant
material
evidence,
an
alleged
criminal
act,
the
subject
of
a
criminal
proceeding.
So
in
your
example,
if
this
person
said
I
was
not
there,
can
you
have,
the
victim
advocate,
come
and
speak
to
the
judge
and
just
define
or
describe
the
description
of
the
the
perpetrator
if
it
didn't
match.
The
judge
could
take,
could
take
that
testimony
and
allow
that
to
be
heard
in
court.
E
The
intent
of
this
bill
and-
and
I
appreciate
you
appreciating
and
supporting
the
intent-
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
to
give
the
same
protection
that
we
give
to
doctors
and
lawyers
and
nurses
and
and
therapists
to
not
have
to
come
into
court
and
testify
against
their
client.
These
people
are
in
a
great
moment
of
crisis
and
can
say
any
number
of
things
I
should
have
had
that
last
drink
I
should
have
been
wearing
whatever
I
knew.
E
I
knew
better
than
to
go
home
with
this
person
and
and
then
have
their
own
words
in
their
lowest
moment,
used
against
them
and
I'll
say
it
again.
A
person
has
no
right
at
any
point
to
be
raped,
regardless
of,
if
they're,
in
the
middle
of
the
act.
If
they
went
to
a
place
they
shouldn't,
they
know
they
shouldn't.
E
Have
you
can
be
completely
passed
out
and
naked
and
you
do
not
have
the
right
for
someone
else
to
lay
hands
on
you,
and
if
someone
stands
up
and
again
because
of
the
culture
that
we've
created
of
this
victim
shaming,
they
say
something
that
says:
I
knew
better,
it's
my
fault
and
then
their
own
words
are
used
against
them
in
a
court
case.
That's
not
that's,
not
the
intent
of
of
what
a
victim
advocate
advocate
should
be
doing.
E
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
protect
them
from
having
to
go
and
testify
against
a
person
that
six
months
earlier
they
were,
they
were
literally
holding
their
hand
and
walking
them
through
the
process
of
getting
a
rape
kit
taken.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
where
your
comments
are
coming
from.
Let
me
here's
and
that's
why
I
propose
perhaps
if
we
tweak
this
a
little
bit
so
that
we
protect
the
defendant's
right
to
esculpatory
evidence
but
at
the
same
time
protect
the
victim.
I
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
you.
Statements
like
I
shouldn't
have
had
that
last
drink
I
should
have
been
wearing
what
I
was
wearing.
I
passed
out
so
stuff
like
that,
and
a
victim
should
not
be
re-victimized
by
the
defendant
or
defense
attorney
with
statements
like
that.
C
But
here's
where
I'm
concerned-
because
I
can
see
this
happen
in
in
reality
so
because
of
the
the
relationship
between
a
victim
witness
advocate
and
a
victim,
it
can
be
quite
close.
Sometimes
the
victim
might
remember
certain
things
about
the
event
later
on.
After
the
fact,
perhaps
what
if
the
victim
mentions
to
the
victim
advocate,
you
know
I
didn't
get
a
good
look
at
him
better,
and
this
is
later
on
and
the
police
have
already
taken
their
initial
statement
from
the
victim,
but
the
victim
later
remembers.
C
Suppose
a
victim
later
on
with
the
thing
you
know,
I
don't
remember
much
about
him
and
I
totally
agree
with
you.
No
one
should
ever
be
raped,
that's
horrible!
I
have
two
daughters,
I'll
protect
them
I'll,
go
to
extreme
lengths
to
protect
my
daughters
but
suppose
a
victim
later
says
you
know
he
was
he
hit
me
and
hit
me,
but
I
do
remember
he
had
these
awful
teeth.
He
just
had
these
awful
teeth.
C
Suppose
the
defendant
they
have
charged
with
this
offense
has
very
nice
set
of
teeth
or
something
like
that,
but
that
statement
again
is
not
shared
with
the
prosecution
or
the
defendants,
and
so
how
is
the
defendant
or
defense
attorney
going
to
know
to
make
a
motion
to
the
court?
Hey,
there's
this
additional
stuff
out
there.
These
statements
that
we
want
to
have
access
to
if
they're,
never
disclosed,
if
you're
you've
cut
off
the
ability
of
a
defendant
to
even
conduct
a
proper
investigation.
C
That's
why
I
would
submit
that
if
we
would
require
any
statements
that
are
esculpatory
in
nature,
that
would
potentially
benefit
the
the
accused
defendant.
Those
must
be
disclosed
to
the
prosecuting
attorney
because
it's
their
responsibility
to
be
fair
to
both
sides,
and
that
way
it
just
wouldn't
be
a
whole
100
percent,
the
defendant
and
the
defense
attorney's.
Every
statement
that's
possibly
made,
but
a
prosecuting
attorney
has
got
an
ethical
obligation
to
disclose
any
and
all
statements,
and
this
would,
I
think,
protect
both
sides
of
the
balance.
C
So
that's
why
I
made
that
suggestion
and
I
can't
support
your
bill
in
its
current
form,
but
I
could
support
it
if
we
amend
it
and
I
apologize
for
coming
up
with
this
late
minute.
But
we've
we've
had
this
discussion
over
a
couple
of
years
about
this
legislation
and-
and
I
think
I've
been
consistent
in
my
position
so
but
I
appreciate
the
effort
and
I
support
the
the
concept
and
effort,
but
I
just
I'm
worried
about
the
loss
of
exculpatory
evidence
and
potentially
somebody
could
get
convicted
of
a
crime
that
they
didn't
commit.
A
Thank
you,
representative
griffey,
and
I
I
I
shared
some
of
that
concern
as
we
went
through
subcommittee,
and
so
I
am
curious
to
hear
from
the
sponsor.
Do
you
feel
I
I
know
in?
I
think
it's
section
one
subsection
c
says
this
section
does
not
limit
the
ability
of
a
court
to
compel
disclosure.
If,
upon
the
motion
of
a
party,
the
court
determines,
after
an
in-camera
review,
information
sought
as
relevant
material,
an
alleged
criminal
act
that
is
subject
for
criminal
proceeding
or
alleged
act,
abuse
and
neglect
is
the
subject
of
proceeding.
A
E
Absolutely
and,
and
while
I
I
think
that
your
your
your
comments
are-
are
well
intentioned.
The
the
the
percentage
of
of
of
these
cases
that
ever
actually
get
to
court
are
extremely
low.
E
The
the
amount
of
people
that
actually
end
up
serving
time
is
extremely
low
and,
and
that
is
with
the
actual
evidence
of
dna,
with
the
actual
evidence
of
you,
know,
photographic
evidence
of
abuse
and
the
idea
that
that
an
offhand
comment
in
in
a
moment
of
crisis
of
someone's
teeth
or
last
week's
was
weight
or
a
tattoo
is,
is
just
not
it's
it's
it's
not
reality
of
how
these
cases
end
up
working
out
and,
furthermore,
I
I
fully
believe
that,
if,
if,
if
they
believed
that
there
was
a
a
statement
made
of
of
description,
they
could
compel
the
court
to
have
a
testimony
in
front
of
a
camera,
and
if
there
was
anything
in
there,
they
could
do
it
to
your
point
of
the
exculpatory
evidence,
I
don't
even
there
may
be
a
process
currently
for
that
to
be
reviewed
and
if
they
have
notes
for
someone
to
review
the
notes
and
redact
comments
that
are
not
exculpatory.
E
But
but
I
believe,
and
again
after
working
with
multiple
stakeholders,
this
is
the
language
that
we
came
up
with,
and
everybody
at
the
table
felt
comfortable
that
this
would
would
absolutely
satisfy
your
concern.
A
Okay,
next,
on
my
list,
I
have
leader
lamberth.
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
I'm.
I
know
we
went
back
and
forth
on
subcommittee
I'll
be
voting
no
today,
and
I
wanted
to
share
that
public
again.
The
communications
are
not
made
confidential
as
part
of
this
bill.
If
it
did
I'd
support
the
bill,
it
says
they're
confidential
in
court.
Only
so
the
advocate
could
literally
go
on
facebook
and
spread
any
of
this
information
out
all
over
the
place
and
then
madison
in
camera.
H
You
know,
conversation
with
the
judge
would
not
be
required
to
come
in
court
and
testify
if
we're
going
to
protect
the
information.
I
just
wish
we'd
go
all
the
way
and
say:
look
that's
confidential,
just
like
attorney,
client,
privilege
or
anything
else,
but
we're
not
we're
just
saying
it's
confidential
for
purposes
of
court
and
there's
lots
of
exceptions
in
here.
For
you
know
it's
not
confidential.
If
the
advocate
is
being
sued
and
they
can
bring
it
into
court,
but
in
a
criminal
proceeding,
justice
was
brought
up.
H
I
just
wish
we'd
gone.
All
the
way
with
it,
and
so
because
I
don't
feel
like
this-
truly
protects
that
information
it's
as
much
as
you
can
get
in
the
bill.
I
know
you've
shared
that
and
I
applaud
your
efforts
here
I
mean
it
is
really
an
attempt
at
a
really
good
bill,
but
unless
we're
going
to
truly
make
these
this
communication
confidential,
I
just
can't
vote
for
it,
but
again
everything
you
said
earlier.
H
As
far
as
protecting
victims
and
their
statements,
there
are
already
some
some
statutes
on
the
books
that
protect
from
some
of
that.
No
victims
should
have
to
go
through
that,
but
I
just
don't
think
this.
This
does
that.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
it.
I
genuinely
appreciate
it.
Thank.
A
You
leader,
do
you
wish
to
respond
yeah.
E
Thank
you
thank
you,
leader
and,
and
again
I
also
really
appreciate
you
working
with
me
on
this
and
and
the
consistent
comments
and
the
the
the
the
requirement
to
to
to
disclose
within
court
is
a
legal
requirement.
E
The
requirement
to
not
disclose
in
a
public
setting
amongst
doctors,
lawyers
therapists
is
part
of
their
personal
code
of
conduct,
it's
not
included
in
the
tca
and
so
including
it
just
for
the
victim
advocates
would
be
actually
doing
them,
something
different
and
and
furthermore,
if
you
look
at,
I
shared
some
information
with
folks.
There
is,
if
you
are
a
recipient
of
a
of
a
voca
grant
or
a
vawa
grant.
There
are
requirements
that
you
cannot
disclose.
E
I
mean
there.
There
are
numerous
areas
within
the
code
within
the
code
of
conduct
within
the
code
of
ethics.
That
will
not
allow
people
to
disclose
that
publicly,
but
none
of
those
code
of
ethics
or
those
grant
requirements
can
not
require
them
to
testify
in
court
against
the
person
that
they
were
supposed
to
be
an
advocate
for
and
that's
why,
specifically,
it
addresses
that
in
this
in
this
bill.
H
Thank
you
and
had
the
bill
been
limited
to
those
that
already
have
a
confidentiality
requirement,
I
would
support
it
it.
The
definition
goes
well
beyond
that,
and
I
know
we've
talked
about
that,
but
I
mean
it's
volunteers,
it's
other
individuals,
it's
it's,
those
that
are
not
licensed
or
have
any
ethical
obligation
to
keep
this
confidential.
H
A
Next,
on
my
list,
I
have
representative
hardaway,
you
recognize.
K
E
And
I'm
sorry
if
I
wasn't
clear
in
my
description
or
answer
a
second
ago,
this
is
this
is
addressing
a
very
specific
concern
and
that
is
that
vic
and
mavegans
are
being
called
to
court
to
testify
against
against
against
the
victim.
E
There
are
already
requirements
within
the
code
of
ethics
within
grant
funding
within
hipaa
requirements,
all
sorts
of
restrictions
that
that
will
not
allow
them
to
testify
or
to
share
this
information
publicly
and,
quite
frankly,
that's
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
not
these
victim
advocates
out
posting
on
facebook
and
telling
everybody
at
the
grocery
store
about
someone
that
the
person
they're
sharing
the
story
with
doesn't
know
about
a
case
that
they
don't
know
anything
about.
E
That
is
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
that
that
victim
advocates
are
being
called
to
court,
to
testify
against
victims
and
forced
to
repeat
things
that
the
victim
said
in
in
a
great
moment
of
of
trauma,
and
they
are
saying
things
that
they
they
may
not
remember
that
they
that
that
can
be
used
out
of
context
and
and
the
relationship
is
not
in
the
form
of
of
a
police
officer.
Answering
a
question,
or
even
a
defense
attorney
answering
or
asking
them
questions.
E
This
is
someone
that
that
should
have
a
complete
feeling
of
trust,
to
share
anything
and
and
then
not
have
it
used
against
them.
So
it's
a
very
specific
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve
that.
That
is,
that
is
narrow,
and
that
is.
That
is
why
it's
drafted
the
way
it
is.
K
L
A
E
A
L
So
the
victims
advocates
basically
the
first
person
that
they
see
when
they
experience
this
trauma
once
they
come
forward
and
and
say,
hey
I've
been
victimized
or
I've
experienced
this
particular
trauma
so
they're,
basically
still
in
shock
of
what's
going
on
so
they're
holding
their
hands,
basically
through
this
process
to
say
it's
going
to
be
okay,
because
a
lot
of
times
victims
in
this
particular
issue
or
in
this
situation,
may
be
experiencing
a
lot
of
things
that
the
offender
may
be.
L
They
may
depend
on
their
defendant
for
financial
reasons,
for
emotional
reasons,
a
myriad
of
things
so
by
time
they
get
to
court,
you
know
things
may
have
changed
or
they
made
it's
hard
to
even
get
them
to
come
to
court.
At
that
point,
so
the
victim
advocate.
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
their
role
is
just
to
support
the
victim
throughout
this
process.
There
are
no,
they
play
no
role
in
the
actual
legal
process
as
we
go
through
this.
E
That's
exactly
right
and,
and
they
they
can
sometimes
there's
a
there's-
a
rape
and
sexual
abuse
hotline.
There's
a
domestic
violence
hotline
that
they
you
a
victim,
can
call
and
have
a
victim
advocate,
meet
them
on
site
to
to
help
them
through
the
rape
kit
process
through
any
numerous
yeah
they're
just
there
to
help
them,
as
that
process
goes
along
and
they
may
not
be
with
them
long
term.
The
the
switch
after
that
initial
intake.
E
They
could
then
get
long-term
treatment
with
a
therapist,
and
that
therapist
would
have
would
have
confidentiality
and
and
could
not
testify
in
court
as
well.
So
there
there's
no
guarantee
that
the
victim
advocate
could
even
be
told
any
information
specific.
They
could
simply
sit
there
hold
their
hand
as
they
get
a
rape
kit
taken.
A
And
mr
freeman,
I
do
as
we're
sitting
here
I'm
genuinely
listening
to
the
debate
here.
I'm
curious
when
you're
more
familiar
with
these
hearings
than
I
am,
but
when
these
victim
advocates
are
being
called
to
court,
are
they
not
able
to
invoke
their
their
ethical
obligation?
I
mean,
can
they
just
refuse
to
testify
or.
E
That
that's
a
fantastic
question
and
they
are
not,
and
so
there
are
resources
that
have
to
be
spent
by
these
underfunded,
non-profits
to
try
and
have
have
those
quashed,
because
they
can,
they
can
be
forced
to
testify
on
the
location
of
where
the
the
the
victim
is
currently
where
the
victim
was.
The
testimony
was
taken
and
in
many
instances
the
location
where
that
that
initial
intake
happens
can
be
a
domestic
violence,
shelter
which
is
which
is
privileged
information.
E
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
again
thank
you
sponsor.
I
just
want
to
run
a
hypothetical
value.
Suppose
a
young
lady
gets
drunk
at
a
party,
numerous
people
there
suppose
somebody
roofied
her
drink
or
something
and
she
becomes
incapacitated,
and
you
know
after
the
incident
she's
doing
the
best
to
remember
and
she
tells
the
police
I'm
100
certain.
It's
that
person
that
defendant
at
the
party
rather
than
somebody
else
and
then
down
the
road.
C
C
How
is
a
defendant
or
a
defense
attorney
ever
going
to
get
access
to
that
information,
which
is,
if
you
were
a
defendant
charged
with
a
crime
because
it
wasn't
me
it
was
the
other
dude
but
she's
saying
it's
100.
It
was
you
or
me
that
defendant
is
entitled
to
know.
You
know
she's
not
sure
there
was
other
statements
she
made
that
it
may
have
been
somebody
else.
C
I
just
this
would
shield
that
information
from
ever
coming
in
from
court
and
there's
no
way
a
defendant
or
defense
attorney
is
ever
going
to
be
able
to
make
a
motion
to
the
judge,
hey
judge.
We
want
this
information
out
there
about
these
statements.
You
made
they
don't
know
what
statements
were
made.
They're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
that
motion
judge
is
going
to
go
well,
what's
your
basis
for
the
motion.
Well,
I
don't
know
I
just
I
just
want
to
know
everything.
They
said
the
judge
isn't
going
to
grant
that
motion.
C
I
think
there's
a
better
way
to
solve
this
problem.
If
you
simply
say
victim,
witness
advocates
could
not
be
compelled
to
come
to
testify
to
court
about
anything
other
than
exculpatory
statements
or
evidence,
and
they
victim
whitman's
absence
shall
be
required
to
give
any
exculpatory
statements
or
evidence
to
the
prosecution
for
purposes
of
the
criminal
proceedings
and-
and
that
would,
I
think,
solve
the
problem
you're
trying
to
address,
but
at
the
same
time
we
protect
the
rights
of
someone
that
might
be
wrongfully
accused.
C
So
that
that's
that's,
I
won't
say
anymore,
and
thank
you
again
for
your
again.
I
appreciate
the
effort
here
and
I
don't
disagree
with
the
effort
they
shouldn't
be
called
and
dragged
over
the
coals
with
stuff
we
could,
but
we
can
stop
that
if
we'll
tailor
our
legislation
to
do
that.
So
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
A
Members
any
further
discussion
or
questions
representative
beck.
You
recognized.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
my
understanding
that
if
a
shelter
receives
state
or
federal
aid
that
they
are
bound
to
confidentiality
or
they'll,
lose
their
state
or
federal
aid.
Is
that
correct.
A
B
A
A
A
member
of
the
committee
would
would
have
to
do
that.
Okay,
representative
hardaway,
you
recognized.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What's
the
procedure
for
challenging
a
voice
vote.
A
A
We
have
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
overruling
the
ruling
of
the
chair
signify
by
saying
aye,
and
we
will
take
a
okay
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
motion
fails.
A
A
A
D
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman
committee.
This
amendment,
or
this
bill
does
two
things
that
clarifies
the
current
penalties
for
continuous
sexual
abuse
of
a
child.
D
It
does
not
change
the
current
penalties,
however,
but
it
rewrites
a
section
to
simplify
it,
so
the
change
also
amendment
makes
to
current
code
is
the
addition
of
two
offenses
in
the
definition
of
sexual
abuse
of
a
child
under
the
continuous
sexual
abuse
of
a
child
statute.
D
Those
two
offenses
are
trafficking
trafficking
for
commercial
sex
acts
if
the
victim
is
a
minor
and
also
promoting
prostitution,
if
the
victim
is
a
minor,
this
change
is
going
to
allow
prosecutors
to
charge
these
two
offenses
under
continued
sexual
abuse
of
a
child
statute,
which
allows
multiple
counts
of
these
offenses
to
be
tried
together
limiting
the
number
of
times
a
child
which
is
very
important.
The
number
of
times
a
child
would
have
to
testify
and
restate
the
abuse
they
suffered
through
multiple
trials.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill
as
amended
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1855
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
saying
aye
as
opposed
sir,
you
had
the
calendar
rules.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
sir.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
seven,
also
by
chairman
dog,
at
house
bill
1905,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
I
see
amendment
coded
17348.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
we
are
doing
here
is
in
tca
381
101
in
regards
to
reports
law
enforcement
officials
of
certain
types
of
injuries,
we're
adding
in
the
in
the
section,
after
suffering,
from
the
effects
of
poison
or
suffocation,
we're
adding
in
a
fatal
drug
overdose
to
the
extent
allowed
by
state
and
federal
law.
D
And
I'm
not
a
health
health
care
expert
by
no
means,
but
you
can
take
beyond
the
recommended
dosage
of
tylenol
and
that
could
be
considered
an
overdose
there's
also
certain
criterias
for
facilities
that
they
are
limited
as
to
the
information
they
can
provide,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is
when
someone
comes
in
to
a
hospital
where
they
are
on
the
street
or
in
a
home
whenever
the
case
may
be,
whoever
renders
aid
to
this
person.
They
have
to
report
this
fatal
drug
overdose
to
law
enforcement,
so
an
investigation
can
be,
can
be
done.
I
Chairman
holsey,
thank
you
I
like
to
build
the
way
it
was
before.
I
did
too
yeah
I'll
vote
for
you
bill,
but
most
of
the
time,
what
you're
dealing
with
the
intent
of
your
bill
is
a
is
a
controlled
substance
and
that's
why
the
overdose
and
I
think
law
enforcement
ought
to
be
there
but
anyway,
thank
you.
D
I
guess
they
can
learn
this
through
interviews
with
the
people
that
come
in
or
come
in
with
the
with
the
patient.
I
really,
I
can't
answer
that.
Thank.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
chairman
doctor
for
bringing
this
bill.
Why?
Why
can't
we
go
with
the
original
version
of
the
bill?
We
got
a
problem
with
federal
law
with
that
version
of
it
chairman
doggett.
C
B
C
Representative
griffin
would
a
smarter
amendment
maybe
be
that
we
limit
the
bill
to
overdose
of
illegal
controlled
substances.
D
A
I
will
mention
just
briefly
because
I
know
we've
had
a
question
from
chairman
russell
and
also
now
from
representative
griffey
dealing
with
some
of
these
kind
of
more
granular
issues.
We
do
have
available
for
questions,
elizabeth
foy
and
olivia
spears
from
the
department
of
health.
We
also
have
zach
blair
on
the
list
to
testify,
if,
if
necessary,
so
I'm
not
encouraging
the
committee
one
way
or
the
other,
but
if
there
are
more
granular,
more
technical
questions
that
you'd
like
to
ask
of
those
folks.
They
are
here
and
available,
but
I'm
at
the
will.
C
Chairman,
I
make
a
motion.
We
go
out
obsession
and,
let's
hear
from
some
of
the
health
department,
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
more
detail,
because
I
think
the
intent
of
the
original
bill
was
look.
If
you
have
someone
overdosing
on
controlled
substances,
illegal
drugs,
the
sheriff's
department
needs
to
know
that
and
because
that
can
save
the
lives
of
so
many
other
people
in
the
community
if
they
can
get
this
information
and
quickly
do
their
investigation
and
so
forth.
So
I,
if
we're,
got
a
problem
with
federal
law.
A
Okay,
without
objection,
we
will
go
out
of
session
and
again
I
see
mr
zach
blair
here.
He
is
on
my
list
for
testimony
and
then
miss
foy
and
miss
spears.
If
you
want
to
come
down
here,
you
know
I'll,
take
your
seats.
I
guess
mr
blair
will
start
with
you
if
you
could
just
make
sure
your
microphone's
on
share
your
name
with
the
committee
and
then
testify.
However,
you'd,
like.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
zach
blair,
with
the
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services.
I
want
to
thank
chairman
doggett.
We've
worked
with
him
the
last
several
weeks
on
this
particular
bill.
The
original
concern
as
drafted
is
there
is
a
federal
law,
42
cfr,
part
2.
J
That
generally
protects
the
confidentiality
of
records
related
to
any
type
of
substance,
use
treatment,
and
it
further
goes
to
say
that
in
in
cases
where
there's
a
law
enforcement
interaction
that
is
trying
to
protect
that
information,
so
that
someone
does
not
feel
like
they
cannot
seek
treatment
and
end
up
being
part
of
a
criminal
investigation.
So
the
the
way
the
bill
was
drafted.
Originally
it
applied
to
any
setting
any
circumstance.
Anybody-
and
there
were
concerns
that
there
were.
There
would
be
many
cases
where
this
would
conflict
with
42
cfr,
part
2.
J
J
When
chairman
dog
had
agreed
to
amend,
to
limit
it
to
fatal
overdoses
to
the
extent
allowed
by
state
and
federal
law,
this
both
protects.
42
cfr
part
2
information
if
it
exists
in
that
facility-
and
it
also
alleviates
any
concern
about
someone-
maybe
not
seeking
medical
attention
if
they
believe
they
were
going
into
an
immediate
interaction
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
blair.
Does
it
is
42
cfr
limited
treatment.
J
It
is
any
facility
or
provider
that
receives
federal
assistance
and
holds
themselves
out
or
is
part
of
a
facility
that
offers
some
type
of
substance,
use
disorder
treatment.
So
there
are
many
cases
where
hospitals,
even
even
hospitals,
that
don't
directly
offer
substance
use
treatment
in
that
facility
may
be
attached
on
the
same
campus
to
those
facilities
and
also
the
way
the
bill
is
drafted
in
its
original
form.
J
The
the
bill
does
not
limit
it
to
a
facility
type
which
could
catch
part
two
facilities.
If
someone
were
to
walk
into
a
a
substance,
use
treatment,
a
medical
detox
situation
and
an
overdose
led
to
led
to
that
notification
as
as
outlined
in
the
bill
that
could
conflict
with
federal
law.
In
those
circumstances,
there
are
also
a
lot
of
hospitals
that
that
do
offer
some
form
of
substance
use
disorder,
treatment.
C
C
J
J
It
also
requires
that
consent
for
further
disclosure,
after
that
disclosure
can
be
made
so
that
that's
probably
arguable
whether
or
not
they're
seeking
treatment
at
that
situation
in
a
lot
of
circumstances,
fortunately,
and
unfortunately,
that
that
near
overdose,
if
it's
on
a
fatal
overdose
can
lead
to
someone
seeking
treatment,
we
have
a
program
called
the
tennessee
recovery
navigators
that
they
actually
go
to
the
hospitals
and
if
they
have
a
an
open
situation,
we
talk
and
engage
them
into
try
trying
to
get
to
treatment.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
here's
here's
my
point.
If
a
person
over
these
on
ods
on
fentanyl
or
whatever
the
the
ambulance
is
called
most
of
the
times,
the
sheriffs
are
called
so
forth,
I
mean
it's
really
not
confidential.
Whether
a
person
od'd
on
a
drug
had
a
drug
overdose
or
not,
I
mean
it's
really,
no
secret.
C
At
that
point,
there's
really
no
confidentiality
as
to
that
material
fact,
and
I
think
what
the
purpose
of
chairman
dog
it's
legislation
is
that
health
care
professionals
and
and
others
first
responders,
are
concerned
about
the
liability
of
possibly
disclosing
that
information
to
law
enforcement,
which
I
think
that's
relevant
information
of
a
non-confidential
material
fact
that
they
need
for
further
investigation,
and
I
I
I
haven't
gone
through
in
detail
line
by
line
the
language
of
part
two
on
42
cfr,
but
I
just
kind
of
wonder
whether
we're
being
overly
protective
and
concerned
about
possibly
impinging
on
a
federal
regulation
or
not,
and
maybe
maybe
you
can
comment
on
that.
C
J
Yes,
sir,
and
we've
we've
talked
about
several
issues,
making
it
specific
to
not
apply
to
part
42
facilities
in
in
those
situations
there.
There
are
approaches.
I
think,
when
we
we
spoke
on
monday
with
chairman
doggett,
the
the
fatal
overdoses
where
people
are
losing
their
life
because
we're
not
aware
of
either
what
they're
taking
or
they
were.
I
know
we've
used
the
term.
J
They
were
poisoned
by
somebody
that
that
is
certainly
something
that
we
want:
law
enforcement
to
be
able
to
to
cut
off
the
supply,
but
we
also
don't
want
our
practitioners
and
facilities
to
face
the
criminal
penalties
outlined
in
42
cfr,
part
2
if
they
they
meet
those
requirements
under
the
federal
law.
A
C
B
A
D
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
in
response
to
a
representative
from
behind
me
here
what
the
intent
is
and-
and
this
may
be
out
of
order
since
we're
out
of
session,
but
right
now,
law
enforcement.
If
someone.
D
However,
if
you
go
to
the
er
and
die
at
the
er
with
a
drug
overdose,
law
enforcement
is
not
going
to
be
notified,
and
so
that
is
what
the
intent
is
is
to
be
able
to
notify
law
enforcement.
That
this
has
happened
because,
in
all
other
circumstances,
law
enforcement
is
going
to
know
they're
going
to
be
there
to
investigate.
And
so
that
was
the
meetings
that
we've
been
having
over
the
last
couple
weeks.
We
tailored
it
down
to
that's
what
we
were
looking
at.
D
That's
what
we
were
trying
to
get
at
and
add
a
tool
to
law
enforcement,
but
also
be
able
to
add
another
weapon
that
that
we
could
use
to
defend
our
communities
from
drugs
such
as
fentanyl
that
are
running
through
my
district
prevalently
right
now,
because
of
the
the
ease
and
accessibility
that
we
have
created.
D
Well,
not
we,
but
that
that's
happened
across
this
country
that
fentanyl
is
is
coming
so
that
that's
what
the
intent
is
is
what
I'm
trying
to
do
and-
and
there
is
a
section
in
tca
631
1156-
that
does
provide
immunity
to
people
to
persons
who
come
into
hospitals
that
are
seeking
medical
assistance
because
of
a
drug
overdose.
D
A
F
J
Thank
you
chairman
chairman
russell
it
this
would
apply
to
substance,
use
disorder
treatment.
So
if
someone
is
seeking
treatment,
whether
that
be
a
legal
or
illegal
substance
that
they're
addicted
to
42
cfr,
part
2
is
comprehensive
of
those
of
the
records
related
to
that.
J
There
has
not
been
a
request
that
that
I'm
aware
of
chairman
russell
from
the
either
the
members
or
our
agency
to
ask
the
attorney
general
to
opine
on
this
particular
language.
J
Blair,
that
was
based
on
our
legal
analysis,
with
our
experts
in
the
department
that
that
deal
in
this
field
from
a
legal
perspective
on
on
a
daily
basis.
J
Commissioner
williams
actually
asked
her
counterparts
that
she
works
with
on
a
national
level.
We
are
not
aware
of
a
of
another
state
wall
where
overdoses
are
disclosed
in
this
manner
in
the
country,
and
we
asked
that
question
specifically
because
we
did
want
to
know
how
other
states
were
addressing
this.
F
A
J
So
an
individual
that
presented
it
at
the
er,
I
think
the
signs
and
symptoms
of
overdose
and
the
resulting
problems
medically
that
that
patient
would
have
our
our.
I
think
our
doctors
in
in
tennessee,
unfortunately
are
very
well-versed
in
overdose
and
and
see
that
on
a
regular
basis.
Sadly,
I
mean
in
2020,
I
believe
it
was
over
3
000
people
that
that
suffered
a
fatal
overdose
in
tennessee.
J
So
this
continues
to
be
a
a
common
thing
that
happens
in
our
state
that
we
are
trying
to
fight
every
day
and
sadly,
I'm
afraid
that
our
medical
professionals
experience
and
understand
it
very
well
and
would
know
pretty
quickly
if,
if
someone
did
come
to
the
er,
if
that
an
overdose
is
occurring.
J
F
F
F
J
There
were
concerns
about
that
chairman
russell
that
the
the
fact
that
it
was
an
automatic
report
in
any
overdose
case,
no
matter
if
it
was
an
illegal
drug
or
the
setting
that
somebody
may
look
and
say,
hey
I've.
Either
I've
had
an
overdose
already,
because
people
do
overdose
multiple
times
and,
unfortunately
don't
die,
but
they
may
say:
hey.
I've
had
an
overdose
already.
The
immunity
doesn't
apply
to
me,
so
they
may
be
concerned
about
going
into
a
medical
facility,
because
there
is
concern
that
they
may
have
interaction
with
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
J
So
I
think
the
starting
point,
just
from
us
from
a
policy
perspective,
is
the
the
worst
outcome
that
can
happen
is
that
individual
die
and
any
barrier
that
would
potentially
lead
to
a
person
succumbing
to
that
overdose,
whether
that
be
either
not
seeking
medical
attention
or
acting
in
an
irresponsible
way.
That
leads
to
an
overdose.
J
That's
that's
always
the
starting
point
for
us.
What
can
we
do
to
hopefully
prevent
people
from
succumbing
to
a
drug
overdose?
Let's
keep
them
alive
enough
to
where
we
can
engage
them
and
get
them
into
treatment,
and
obviously
that
we
want
law
enforcement
because
we
can,
as
an
agency,
we
want
law
enforcement
to
be
able
to
get
to
and
cut
off
that
supply.
F
J
Yes,
sir,
and
I
think
that's
why
we
have
brought
a
number
of
pieces
of
legislation
in
the
last
few
years
that
that
are
focused
on
overdose
there.
There
are
several
that
are
there
now
a
bill
that
that
our
department
asked
to
to
come
and
propose
to
you
that
came
through
this
committee
is
something
that
we
think
is
very
important:
narcan
distribution
that
we
use
with
with
our
both
state
and
federal
funding
to
get
that
out
in
the
community.
J
So
I
have
not
seen
the
most
current
numbers
for
2021,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
report
is
out
yet
the
last
time
I
checked
and
then
the
department
of
health
does
the
the
overdose
report,
but
yes,
they
they
have
consistently
risen.
Overdose
related
to
to
fentanyl
opioids
have
have
risen
in
the
last
several
years.
Absolutely
throughout
the
country
chairman
russell.
A
I
I
I
don't
know
of
one
time
and
maybe
it's
happened
someplace,
but
I
don't
know
one
time:
anybody
prosecuted
somebody
because
they
were
an
emergency
room
overdosed.
I
just
never
saw
that
the
other
side
of
it
there.
We
do
have
a
statute
that
says
if
you
sell
drugs
to
somebody
and
they
die
that
that's
second
degree,
homicide
and,
of
course,
there's
no
way
to
investigate
that
adequately
and
get
involved
in
the
middle
of
it
to
pursue
charges
on
it.
If,
if,
if
you
don't
have
access
to
the
information
on
the
front
end,
so
it's
only
pronounced.
C
C
So
it
seems
to
me,
let
me
ask
you
this.
It
seems
to
me
like
if
we
made
it
an
offense
for
anyone
to
show
up
in
an
unconscious
state,
with
vital
statistics
indicating
a
threat
to
their
loss
of
life.
That
appears
to
be
from
a
controlled
substance
such
as
opioids
fentanyl,
whatever,
if
that
was
an
offense,
if
someone
shows
up
to
emergency
room
like
that,
we
wouldn't
have
any
problem
with
part.
Two
would
we.
J
Potentially
not,
but
I
think
at
that
point
chairman
and
representative
griffey
you'd
be
cr.
You'd
be
criminalizing
overdose
at
that
point,
and
that
would
be
something
that
we'd
be
very
very,
very
concerned
about.
C
C
You
well
miss
blair.
Let
me
this
is
sort
of
my
problem.
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
the
department
of
health
and
and
the
folks
with
mental
health
and
substance
abuse,
you
guys
sort
of
have
a
policy
position
perspective
that
you
think
if
we
criminalize
and
require
people
to
report
this,
this
is
going
to
discourage
people
from
showing
up
to
get
mental
health
treatment,
or
something
like
that.
C
I
get
that,
but
that's
a
policy
decision
that
this
legislator
supposed
to
make
not
you
all
I
mean
I
get
you're
more
entitled
to
make
your
opinion
and
voice
your
concerns
about
it.
But,
honestly,
this
is
this
decision
for
the
legislature
to
make
what's
the
best
policy,
what's
going
to
be
effective
for
the
citizens
of
tennessee
to
save
more
lives.
A
Both
of
these
witnesses,
I
believe,
are
here
to
say
that
they
are
neutral
on
the
bill
and
to
answer
any
technical
questions
that
we
have.
So
we
have
been
spending
about
25
minutes
of
our
time
on
a
very
full
calendar,
beating
up
witnesses
for
a
bill
that
they
do
not
oppose.
Just
want
to
remind
everybody
of
that
right.
We
are
back
in
session
questions
been
called
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1905
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
not
a
no
vote
in
the
house.
D
You,
mr
chairman,
I
have
another
quite
controversial
bill
here,
so
look
forward.
A
Before
you
get
started,
I
do
need
a
motion
and
a
second.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
this
bill.
I
see
house
criminal
justice
committee,
amendment
number
one
which
is
coded
one,
four,
nine
three
two.
You
wish
to
move
forward
that
amendment.
Yes,
sir,
I
do
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
to
here
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
one,
four,
nine
three,
two
to
house
bill,
2762
blue
signifies,
saying
aye
those
opposed.
A
Now
we
have
a
minute
coded
17349.
You
wish
to
move
that
as
well.
That
is
correct.
Yes,
sir,
do
I
hear
a
second
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
code
17349
to
house
bill
2762,
please
signify
saying
aye
those
opposed,
and
now
we
will
roll
both
of
those
amendments
into
one
chairman,
doggett,
we're
on
your
bills,
amended.
D
Thank
you
so
much.
What
we
are
doing
is
codifying
the
current
pay
scale
practice
in
the
district
attorney
general's
conference
and
the
public
defenders
conference
for
assistant,
da's
and
assistant
pd's.
We're
also
removing
the
cap
on
prior
service
credit
for
private
practice
of
law
used
to
determine
entry
level,
compensation
for
adas
and
adpds.
A
K
Thank
you
chairman,
and
to
the
sponsor
how
equal
will
the
da's
and
the
pd's
assistant,
da's
and
system
pds,
be
in
compensation
with
this.
A
M
A
Members
that
brings
us
to
item
number
nine
house
bill.
2524
is
rolled
to
the
heel
of
today's
calendar.
M
Thank
you,
chairman
curcio.
We
have
item
number
10
house
bill
325
by
chairman
curcio.
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
you
are
recognized.
Thank.
A
M
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
committee
members.
This
bill
sets
up
what
is
called
the
emif
task
force.
Since
I
have
been
in
the
general
assembly,
we
have
had
a
bill
every
year
to
fix,
or
otherwise
tweak
the
emif
fund.
This
is
the
electronic
monitoring
indigency
fund
and
we
still
have
not
successfully
fixed
it.
Unfortunately,
so
every
year
the
the
cure
seems
to
be
worse
than
the
ill.
A
I've
worked
for
a
number
of
years
to
try
to
get
to
work
with
the
administration
on
administration
bill
to
to
iron
this
out,
and
so
this
effort
house
bill
325,
although
I
hope
this
would
be
the
vehicle
to
fix
this
issue
once
and
for
all.
I
think
it
will
lead
to
that
which
is
it,
creates
the
electronic
monitoring
indigency
fund
task
force
to
study
and
make
recommendations
on
the
future
of
the
electronic
monitoring
entity
fund
and
with
that
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
L
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
great
question.
The
way
the
fund
is
currently
structured,
interlock
has
sort
of
first
dibs
on
the
money
that
comes
in
whatever
is
left
over
then
flows
over
into
the
electronic
monitoring
agency
fund.
So
we
we
do
view
those
as
two
separate
pieces
of
technology
if
you
will,
but
but
right
now,
the
fund
is
coupled
what
this
bill
simply
does.
Is
studies
that
fund
to
try
to
make
recommendations
on
how
to
monitor
a
modernize
it.
A
M
Brings
us
to
item
number
11
by
chairman
curcio.
Also
it's
house
bill
2040..
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
I
think
we
have
two
amendments
you
want
to
adopt,
which
one.
M
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
This
bill
did
pass
out
a
subcommittee,
but
we
noticed
a
number
of
minor
changes
that
needed
to
be
made
I'll,
try
to
highlight
just
a
couple
of
those
number
one.
We
wanted
to
tighten
the
definition
of
monitoring
company
to
make
sure
that
did
not
encompass
the
manufacturer
of
these
devices.
So
there
are
manufacturers
that
makes
a
a
transdermal
device,
but
in
in
various
states
there
are
folks
who
are
more
or
less
their
sales
team
or
they
own
a
franchise
to
be
able
to
sell
those
devices.
A
Those
are
the
folks
that
we
are
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
create
some
uniform
standards
for
not
the
manufacturers
themselves.
They're
they're
already
covered
under
under
other
sets
of
laws,
and
so
we
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
tailored
this
so
that
it
properly
acknowledged
the
role
of
these
monitoring
professionals,
but
again
this
bill,
as
amended,
now
seeks
to
provide
a
baseline
standard
for
the
folks
that
would
engage
in
this
business
activity
in
tennessee.
I
believe,
personally,
that
this
these
technologies
are
vital.
M
A
M
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
of
committee
members.
This
bill
actually
came
to
me
by
chairman
howell's
district
attorney
and
pointed
out.
We've
done
a
lot
of
reforms
on
expungement
over
the
last
several
years,
and
one
bill
in
particular
last
year
that
this
body
saw
fit
to
pass
and
became
public
chapter,
and
it
was
pointed
out
to
us
that
we
did
not
include
those
same
offenses
prior
to
1989,
which
is
of
course
the
last
time
we
did
the
major
adult
sentencing
overhaul,
and
so
this
bill
would
simply
apply
those
exact
same
standards.
A
H
Mr
chairman,
and
to
that
point
again,
just
for
the
record,
the
intention
of
this
bill,
then,
is
to
include
crimes
that
are
on
the
books
after
1999
that
we
have
made
expungeable
for
first
offenders
and
all
other
criterias
that
would
fit
they
would
fit
into.
But
if
that
exact
same
crime,
just
maybe
is
named
a
little
differently
on
crimes
prior
to
1999
its
intention
that
those
crimes
on
those
guys
crimes
only
would
be
expungeable.
Is
that
accurate,
chairman
curcio.
A
Thank
you,
mr
leader,
for
the
question.
Thank
you
chairman.
Absolutely.
That
is
exactly
the
intent,
we're
not
seeking
to
do
anything
different
than
that,
and
and
just
as
a
reminder
not
to
get
wrapped
around
the
axle
on
this.
But
this
committee
worked
very
hard
on
that
expungement
legislation
last
year.
It's
it's
one
crack
at
the
apple,
and
you
know
we
we
kind
of
have
different.
You
know,
levels,
burden
of
proof
if
you
will
and
rebuttable
presumptions,
either
way,
depending
on
what
level
of
offense
you're
talking
about
so
very
carefully.
M
M
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all.
I'm
well!
Excuse
me.
We
have
an
amendment.
Yes,
sir,
would
you
give
me
the
drafting
code?
Yes,.
M
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
your
indulgence
as
we've
gone
through
the
the
curcio
calendar
here
since
item
number
10,
this
bill,
as
amended,
would
deal
with
various
computer
crimes,
so
this
section
of
code
has
not
been
updated
in
in
many
years
and,
as
we
all
know,
you
know
these
devices
that
we
carry
around
with
us.
A
Along
with
you,
know
our
crafty
folks
that
would
that
would
seek
to
hack
into
them
change
on
a
daily
basis,
and
so
this
is
a
modernization
of
this
section
of
code
to
really
put
some
some
teeth
and
enforcement
into
things
like
you
know,
attaching
malware
to
someone's
computer.
Those
sorts
of
things
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
thank
you
chairman
holsey,
so
let
me
just
run
through
briefly
what
the
bill
does
so
the
bill
as
a
minute
increases
the
penalties
for
certain
offenses
that
are
already
a
crime
up
to
a
class,
a
misdemeanor.
It
creates
a
new
class,
a
misdemeanor
offense
of
possessing
a
computer
contaminant,
otherwise
known
as
malware,
and
then
it
deletes
a
redundant
section
of
code
that
deals
with
the
transmission
of
electronic
signals
as
far
as
telephones
themselves.
I
think.
D
A
All,
mr
chairman,
I
would
request
that
we
maybe
go
out
of
session
and
just
clarify
whether
or
not
telephone
is
included
in
the
without.
B
Michelle
fogerty
legal
services,
computer
is
defined
as
a
device
or
collection
of
devices,
including
its
support
devices,
peripheral
equipment
or
facilities,
and
the
communication
systems
connected
to
it
which
perform
functions,
including,
but
not
limited
to
substantial,
computation,
arithmetic
or
logical
operations,
information
storage
or
retrieval
operations
capable
of
being
used
with
external
files,
one
or
more
operations
which
contain
computer
programs.
Electronic
instructions
allows
for
the
input
of
data
and
the
output
of
data.
H
Thank
you
chairman
and
chairman,
while
the
vice
chairman
has
to
mike
I'm
going
to
mention
something
here
from
ms
fogerty.
I
would
like
us
to
all
give
you
a
round
of
applause
for
your
service
this
year,
and
I
mean
it.
H
And
I
say-
and
I
say
that
at
this
point,
because
you
know
representative
griffey,
myself,
others,
you
know
practice
law
and
we
will
spend
days
weeks
or
months
looking
up
answers
just
like
what
you
just
found
in
seconds
and
write
a
law
if
it
is
literally
one
of
the
most
difficult
legal
jobs
on
the
planet.
And
you
do
it
very
well.
So
I
wanted
to
take
this
opportunity,
I'm
sure
the
chairman
will
brag
on
you
later,
but
to
just
highlight
that
fact.
So
thank
you
very
much.
M
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
members
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
business
yet
to
get
to.
Although
before
I
do
that,
I
want
to
take
a
point
of
personal
privilege.
Leader
lamberth
is
very
crafty
on
his
smartphone.
That's
in
his
pocket
most
of
the
time,
and
I
think
it's
fitting
that
we
deal
with
this
presentation
right
after
you've
held
the
gavel.
A
I
I
cannot
take
credit
for
that
leader.
Lamberth
was
able
to
source
that
from
a
very
special
place.
We
hope
you
wear
it
with
pride
after
you
leave
here.
A
D
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
Chairman
members
house,
bill
1747
adds
quaggaplegia
to
the
list
of
qualifying
medical
conditions
listed
in
687201.
D
D
D
I
don't
smoke
marijuana.
I
do
not
want
to
get
high
just
not
interested
in
that
the
department
of
safety
is
deferred
on
the
bill
and
chairman,
I'm
happy
to
say.
Unlike
terry's
bill,
it
did
pass
judiciary
senate
six
to
three
is
going
to
the
senate
floor.
D
So
I'm
asking
the
committee
for
some
relief
for
tennesseans
with
quadriplegia
and
to
be
added
to
the
diagnosis
that
diagnosis
doesn't
study
for
the
commission
and
with
that
chairman
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
vice
chairman,
jernigan
and
and
for
the
committee.
I
just
do
want
to
confirm
this.
This
bill
has
passed
senate,
judiciary
and
understand
it's
been
calendared
for
the
full
senate
vote
tomorrow
on
the
14th.
So
just
as
as
a
clarification,
I
do
have
a
list
building.
First,
I
have
vice
chairman
sex
and
you
recognize
sir
thank.
M
You,
mr
chairman,
chairman
john
jernigan.
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
have
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
next
year
and
I
may
never
have
another
chance.
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
me
to
tell
you
what
a
inspiration
that
you
are
in
everything
that
you
do
and
seeing
you
get
around
and
see
how
hard
that
you
work
and
as
as
far
as
your
bill
goes,
I
think
that
any
anything
that
is
on
god's
green
earth
that's
been
given
to
us.
M
D
No,
I
I
I'm
grateful
for
your
comments.
I
appreciate
you
saying
that.
D
Sometimes
it's
hard
to
to
I.
I
appreciate
that
when
people
say
that
it's
inspiring
but
it's
the
cards
have
been
dealt
to
me,
I'm
playing
them
and
we
all
have
issues
in
our
lives
and
we
wake
up
and
I'm
just
I'm
happy
to
serve
with
you
and
we
came
in
together,
I
believe,
and
along
with
leader
lambreth
and
I'm
going
to
miss
some
people.
I
know
I
came
in
with,
but
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
appreciate
your
support
and
you'll
be
missed
down
here
as
well.
I
Thank
you,
jerry
sexton
doesn't
have
an
office
across
the
hall
from
you,
so
he
don't
know
what
kind
of
harassment
you
can
deal
out.
So
I
just
I
want
to
make
it
clear
I
just
want
to.
I
had
one
question
that
doesn't
affect
I'm
voting,
but
I
just
had
a
question
on
on
the
other
maladies
that
this
can
be
used.
Is
there
a
maximum
of
thc
content,
because
I
don't
remember
that
and
it's
not
in
your
bill,
who
regulates
that
or
who
calls
that
shot?
That's
chairman.
A
And
I
can
we
can
certainly
do
that
0.9
and
that's
right.
That's
under
this
type!
That's
right!
Thank
you.
A
A
H
I
said
just
personal
privilege
here
we
had
a
member
a
while
ago.
That
mentioned
the
fact
that
he
might
have
to
leave
and
abandon
our
committee,
because
there
was
you
on
the
eighth
floor
and
representative
halsey
lucas
lucas
stand
up
for
us
here.
Come
on
lucas
here
is
an
intern
down
here
at
the
legislature,
and
I
texted
my
assistant
and
asked
lucas
if
he
would
come
hold
the
hugo
buddy,
that's
barbecue
from
the
eighth
floor.
There
you
go
man,
so
thank
lucas
there,
all
right,
no
problem.
A
I
feel
like
there's
a
joke
about
passing
out
pork
during
budget
season,
but
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
But,
yes,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Chairman
journey
members.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
three,
which
is
house
bill
1927
by
leader,
lambert,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
I
also
see
amendment
coded
one,
seven,
three,
three,
eight.
You
wish
to
move
that
amendment.
Yes,.
H
A
Mr
chairman,
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
members.
Let's
go
and
get
that
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
17338
to
house
bill
1927,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
let's
withdraw
a
amendment
coded
15310
without
objection
of
drawn
and
now
leader
lambert.
We
are
on
your
bill
as
amended.
H
Chairman
members,
as
we've
gone
through
this
process
over
the
last
several
weeks
on
this
bill,
I've
heard
from
several
members
of
the
community
and
our
fellow
tennesseans
hundreds
of
folks
that
have
emailed
called
I've
met
with,
and
many
of
you
have
have
as
well,
and
I
appreciate
that
in
that
input
and
feedback
when
we
began
this.
My
main
question
to
folks
was
this:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
tennesseans
are
safe
with
these
products
on
the
market?
How
are
they
regulated?
How
are
quality
controls
done?
H
How
do
we
make
sure
that
a
child
is
not
overdosing
on
a
substance
that
looks
like
any
other
gummy
bear
that
they've
ever
picked
up
in
their
life,
and
yet
it
is
not.
It
is
a
very
different
substance
and
I
made
a
ton
of
notes
on
that.
I
mean
you
guys
have
seen
kind
of
my
scribble
on
pages
up
here.
Every
single
conversation
I've
had
I've
called
many
folks
that
have
emailed
me.
I've
called
them
on
the
way
home
late
at
night.
H
I
appreciate
you
know
them
taking
my
calls
well
after
hours,
but
I've
tried
to
listen
and
learn
as
to
what
exactly
these
different
substances
are.
How
can
they
be
utilized
properly
and
not
put
people
in
danger?
And
that's
been
my
biggest
question,
because
I
know
for
this
committee
and
and
you
all
know,
my
main
goals
are
to
make
sure
that
tennesseans
are
safer
after
every
session
than
they
were
when
we
began.
That's
the
goal.
H
So
this
amendment
does,
I
believe,
just
that,
and
so
both
with
a
bill
that
we
passed
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
the
federal
farm
bill.
It
has
left
all
of
these
vendors
and,
quite
frankly,
their
customers
of
any
thc
product
in
a
very
murky
and
unusual
predicament,
because
there
are
certainly
no
regulations.
H
There
are
no,
you
know
legitimate
ways
for
a
consumer
to
be
able
to
know
exactly
what
they
are
buying
and
unless
just
a
vendor
chooses
to
do
so
out
of
the
goodness
of
their
heart
and
because
their
business
model
requires
that
which
I
applaud.
Those
that
have
a
seven-year-old
could
literally
walk
into
any
gas
station
or
retail,
store
right
now
and
buy
a
package
of
of
high
thc
material
and
consume
that
now.
I
would
hope
that
no
one
would
sell
to
a
child
this,
but
there's
nothing
in
the
law
that
would
prohibit
that.
H
So
this
bill
does
many
things,
but
right
off
the
top.
It
says
that
these
products
are
only
going
to
be
sold
to
those
that
are
over
21
years
of
age.
It
will
put
an
appropriate
tax
on
it.
It
is
a
a
mild
registration
fee
for
those
that
want
to
be
licensed
to
sell
this
product,
it
will
have
packaging
requirements
and
those
packages
will
include
significant
labeling,
so
that
folks
know
exactly
what
this
is.
It
will
require
private
testing
from
labs.
We've
heard
testimony
from
labs
that
can
do
that.
H
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
state
lab.
In
fact,
the
preference
would
be
if
the
private
market
out
there
can
do
this.
Then
why
would
we
have
a
state
lab
that
has
to
do
this?
They
will
have
to
hit
very
high
standards.
However,
in
fact,
most
of
these
packages
have
qr
codes,
where
folks
can
actually
scan
that
and
get
very
detailed
information
on
exactly
what
they
are
buying.
H
It
will
have
caps
in
the
amount
of
thc
that
can
be
in
these
products,
and
it
specifies
very
clearly
that
what
we
are
regulating
here
and
heavily
regulating
as
we
should
are
those
thc
elements
that
are
psychoactive,
that
that
can
potentially
have
an
effect
on
someone's
central
nervous
system
that
can
create
a
high,
quite
frankly
and
might
not
in
some
products
and
might
in
others,
and
there
are
vast
number
of
products
that
are
out
there
and
we're
specifically
trying
to
stay
away
from
those
products
that
have
none
of
those
psychoactive
elements
in
it.
H
And
you
can
see
on
page
two
of
the
amendment
that
that
is
laid
out
and
that's
what
you've
heard
in
the
past
and-
and
this
is
an
oversimplification-
the
kind
of
cbd
versus
thc.
Now
nothing
in
this
bill.
Nothing
in
this
bill,
legalizes
marijuana.
It
is
clearly
defined
in
our
statute
as
0.3
delta,
9,
thc
or
above
that
is
absolutely
still
illegal.
I
know
that
there
are
advocates
on
both
sides
of
that
you
know,
but
this
bill
doesn't
go
there.
H
What
we're
dealing
with
are
products
derived
from
hemp
that
are
on
the
market
right
now.
The
original
fiscal
note
said
that
if
we
reduce
this
down
to
0.3
percent
thc
total
thc,
that
many
of
those
products
would
not
be
available
any
longer
and
the
fiscal
note
was
about
3
million
a
year
of
the
basic
sales
tax.
H
The
fiscal
note
on
this
bill
with
again
with
a
five
percent
tax,
is
all
we're
talking
about
on
this,
which
is
under
what
alcohol
and
tobacco
are
currently
taxed,
on
it's
slightly
more
than
what
other
products
are,
but
a
five
percent
tax
at
the
retail
level
brings
in
approximately
10
million
dollars
per
year.
So
we're
not
doing
that
for
this,
but
it
does
show
that
there
is
obviously
a
market
for
these
products
already
out
there.
That
is
growing.
H
So
this
allows
that
market
to
continue,
but
it
puts
severe
restrictions
and
much
necessary
restrictions
on
this
industry
and,
quite
frankly,
the
the
best
actors
within
this
industry
have
been
in
my
office
and
all
of
yours
to
ask
for
those
very
restrictions
in
regulation.
They
want
to
be
selling
products
that
folks
can
safely
take
and
know
the
risk,
and
so
if
they
know
how
much
of
a
product
is
in
each
one
of
these
products,
how
much
thc
is
in
there
exactly
where
it
came
from
exactly
what
potency
then
it
is
the
example
I
gave
before.
H
If
someone
drinks
a
beer
and
they
choose
to
do
that,
then
they
know
roughly
the
alcohol
content,
that's
going
to
be
in
a
beer
they.
They
know.
I'm
sure
many
folks
that
drink
beer
from
personal
experience.
What
happens
if
you
drink
12
of
them,
but
what
they
don't
have
to
worry
about,
is
getting
a
can
of
beer
and
it
being
a
can
of
pure
grain
alcohol.
H
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
first
on
my
list.
I
have
chairman
dixie
recognized.
L
H
So
it
specifies
there
specifically,
it
just
lays
this
out,
and
this
is
stuff
that
is
taken
from
what
we
utilize
usually
for
tobacco
products
and
others.
That's
been
litigated
out
for
years
and
it
specifically
says
not
limited
to
superheroes
comic
book
characters,
video
game
characters,
television,
show,
characters,
movie,
characters,
mythical
creatures
and
unicorns.
There
are
apparently
some
products
that
have
been
on
the
market
in
years
past.
H
If
someone
is
selling
a
product
like
this,
and
it
is
in
the
shape
of
a
unicorn
or
a
movie
character
or
mythical
creature,
it's
pretty
clearly
marketed
to
kids.
Most
of
us
as
adults
could
care
less
really.
What
the
shape
of
the
item
is
that
we
are
purchasing
it's
not
going
to
attract
our
attention
that
much
most
of
the
folks
that
are
purchasing
these
products,
quite
frankly,
are
purchasing
them
because
of
the
contents
of
them.
H
H
L
Thank
you
for
that
detailed
answer
which
I
was
not
expecting,
but
I
just
was
thinking
that
a
unicorn
unicorn
was
a
mythical
character,
but
I
think
this
is
a
great
deal.
I
think
that
we
did.
We
do
and
did
need
some
regulations
about
who
can
buy
these
the
the
dosages
packaging.
L
I
think
this
bill
is
right
on
point,
so
I'm
glad
it
evolved
from
what
it
was
to
what
it
is
now,
and
so
thank
you
for
making
this
amendment
because
I
think
it's
very
much
needed
and
thank
you
for
helping
this
industry
to
help
people
who
actually
need
it
for
it
for
good
purposes.
H
Your
support
on
the
bill,
I
will
say
that
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation.
There
are
some
also
some
warning
labels
that
will
be
on
the
you
know.
Packaging
like
keep
out
of
reach
of
children
like
the
fact
that
many
of
these
products
do
impair
someone's
ability
to
be
able
to
operate
a
motor
vehicle
or
heavy
machinery.
Folks
should
use
caution
when,
when
utilizing
these
substances
when
these
products,
but
it's
their
choice
as
to
whether
or
not
to
do
so,
there
there's
also
some
language
in
here,
and
I
will
say
this
publicly.
H
I
have
great
concern
at
some
of
the
medical
claims
that
have
been
made
by
some
of
the
vendors.
Some
of
those
claims
have
absolutely
no
medical
basis
whatsoever,
others
do,
and
so
I
will
just
say-
and
this
is
really
to
to
anyone-
that's
in
the
industry
that
happens
to
be
listening
today.
I
think
if
this
bill
is
successful
and
this
industry
continues
to
thrive
in
tennessee,
we
will
all
be
watching
very
closely
and
in
this
bill
it's
it's
actually
regulated
under
the
department
of
ag
I've
spoken
with
them.
H
They
are
very
capable
of
doing
that.
According
to
what
they've
shared
with
me-
and
I
will
say
as
an
attorney,
I
would
be
very,
very
careful
making
a
medical
claim
where
you're
telling
someone
this
is
going
to
do
this
if
there's
medical
basis
for
that
great,
if
there's
not
a
vendor,
is
putting
themselves
in
a
very
tenuous
legal
position
if
a
if
a
customer
relies
upon
that
medical
advice,
so
I
would
just
be
very
careful
about
that.
H
A
A
Sorry
that
that's
right,
that's
right!
No
all
kidding
aside
leader,
I
I
know
you've
worked
very
very
hard
on
on
this
bill
and
I
think
we've
got
some
members
with
some
other
questions.
But
to
me
this
is
this
is
truly
you
know
what
leadership
looks
like.
Is
that
you,
you
identified
a
problem
intensity.
A
It
is
a
massive
problem
if
one
of
my
children,
none
of
whom
are
of
age,
can
walk
into
a
gas
station
and
walk
out
with
something
that
you
know
can
absolutely
not
be
good
for
them,
and
especially
if
it's
marketed
to
them
as
a
child.
Right
now
we
have
no
regulations,
and-
and
this
is
a
way
to
rein
this
end
so
you've
seen
a
problem.
You've
tackled
it.
A
I
know
this
is
not
your
or
my
favorite
issue,
but
it
is
one
that
I
know
that
you
are
working
on,
and
that
means
that
we're
going
to
get
it
right
and
if
we
don't
get
it
right,
you'll
come
back
next
year
and
you'll
continue
to
work
on
it
to
continue
to
write.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
next.
On
my
list
I
have
representative
hardaway
you're
recognized.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
I'm
glad
you
straightened
out
chairman
dixie
about
the
unicorn
found
they're
quite
offensive
chairman
dixon
to
leta
lambert.
You
answered
some
of
my
questions.
Looking
for
specifics
of
what
would
be
on
the
the
label.
K
Is
there
something
on
the
label
that's
compelled
by
your
legislation
where
those
claims
can't
be
made
and
if
so,
would
those
be
civil
or
criminal
violations?
Leader,
lambert.
A
H
Recognized
says
there
must
be
an
excuse
me.
This
is
page
eight
of
the
amendment.
It's
under
subsection,
43,
27,
211,
subsection
part,
a
2
c.
It's
a
statement
that
the
product
is
not
approved
for
any
medical
use
by
the
united
states.
Food
and
drug
administration
will
be
on
each
one
of
the
labels.
I
do
feel
like
that's
important
and
again,
you
know
ag
will
be
regulating
this,
but
it
would
potentially
be
an
administrative
finding.
K
Yes,
sir,
would
ask
let
the
leader
go
further.
Are
there
other
disclaimers
on
other
products
similar
to
this
disclaimer
and,
if
so,
are
they
consequences
legal
consequences?
The
same.
K
Thank
you.
The
the
five
percent
tax
is
that
earmarked
for
any
particular
uses
by
the
state,
such
as
education
or
substance
abuse,
or
things
of
that
nature.
H
The
tax
and
I'm
just
going
off
member
here
was
flipping
over
to
the
subsection
real
quick
top
of
page
five
top
of
page
five
excuse
me.
I
was
on
page
four,
so
it
is
specifically
going
to
go
to
a
special
account
of
the
state
general
fund
and
allocated
to
the
department
magical
agriculture
be
used
exclusively
for
the
regulation
of
products
containing
a
hemp
drive
cannabidoid
in
this
state.
H
Obviously,
would
go
back
to
the
general
fund
in
future
years,
any
surplus
from
that,
but
initially
this
is
going
to
be
utilized
to
set
up
what
I
hope
will
be
a
very
robust
regulatory
entity
that
will
work
well
with
the
industry
and
and
be
very
easy
to
get
a
hold
of,
and
quite
frankly,
be
very
swift
to
come
down
on.
Anyone
who
violates
this
section.
K
Thank
you,
lita
lambert,
and
you
may
agree
with
me
that
one
way
to
ensure
that
the
regulatory
process
is
is
successful
is
the
education
of
the
consumer.
So
can
we
assume
that
the
the
department
of
ag
is
free
to
use
the
educational
tools
that
it
deems
necessary
to
aid
in
the
regulatory
process.
H
Yes,
sir,
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
reasonable
assumption
from
the
language
of
this
bill
and,
quite
frankly,
is
good
advice
to
the
department
of
ag
to
reach
out
to
not
only
just
vendors
but
customers
as
well
to
ensure
that
that
regulatory
structure
everybody
understands
well
so,
yes,
I
think
educational,
both
materials
and
individuals
out
there
educating
folks
on
this.
That's
a
very
good
idea.
K
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
echo
the
comments,
thank
you
leader,
lamberth,
for
the
diligent
work
that
you've
done
over
this
whole
session
and
especially
the
last
two
weeks
in
crafting
this
amendment.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
you've
heard
our
concerns
loudly
and
clear.
I
appreciate
that
and
forgive
me
I
normally
will
ask
you
a
question
before
I
ask
you
a
question
on
the
microphone,
so
I
do
want
to
know.
We've
got
staggered
implementation
dates.
Some
of
the
bill
will
go
into
effect
upon
signature,
but
of
the
governor.
F
Some
will
go
into
effect
on
july
1
of
this
year.
Some
will
go
into
effect
on
january
1
of
23..
Can
we
talk
about
just
the
rationale
behind
the
staggered
implementation
and
I'm
sure
some
of
that
is
allowing
the
department
of
agriculture
to
get
the
process
and
the
program
up
and
running,
but
certain
segments
will
go
into
into
effect
at
certain
dates.
H
You,
and,
and
as
soon
to
be
the
dean
of
our
caucus
and
longing
serving
longest-serving
republican
member.
That's
the
kind
of
question
that
I
I
appreciate
because
it's
I
was
looking
at
that
just
beforehand,
and
you
probably
knew
that
I
was
so
part
202,
203
and
204.
So
basically
pages
2,
3
and
4
of
the
amendment
would
take
effect
july.
1St
and
part
of
that
is
to
promulgate
rules
to
spin
up
this.
H
You
know
new
regulatory
entity
underneath
ag
and
again
it
they
already
have
a
regulatory
entity
but
kind
of
a
subset
of
that.
That
would
just
handle
this.
So
it
has
the
definitions
in
there.
It
has
what
they're
to
work
with
it
allows
them
to
have
those
definitions.
H
It
also
says
that,
starting
july
1st,
no
one
I
mean,
even
if
they're
not
yet
licensed,
because
that
goes
in
effect
january
1st,
but
starting
july
1st,
no
one's
out
allowed
to
sell
to
a
child.
So
if
you're
under
21,
in
fact
you
know
18
to
21,
is
an
adult,
but
we
we
drew
the
line
at
21.
starting
july
1st,
no
one's
allowed
to
sell
to
a
child,
and
it
would
be
a
misdemeanor
to
do
so.
And
so
I
think
I
thought
that
was
important
to
go
ahead
and
get
in
the
law.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
chairman
hawk
answered
most
of
my
questions.
Michael,
I
did
have
concerns
about
how
soon
the
people
under
21
would
be
prohibited
from
buying
the
other
question.
Some
of
vendors
may
have
purchased
product
before
this
change
in
the
law,
and
someone
could
get
kind
of
hung
up
on
that
get.
How
will
the
the
effective
dates
address
that
situation?
If
you
could
please,
mr
leader,
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
bill
too.
Thank
you,
leader,.
H
Lambert
you
recognized
january
1st
is
when
most
of
that
would
go
into
effect
in
2023
largely
for
that
reason
again,
it
is
a
completely
unregulated
industry
right
now,
all
of
us
here.
I
think
republican
and
democrat
try
to
keep
the
regulatory
burden
on
tennessee
businesses
as
low
as
possible,
but
to
ensure
the
safety
of
tennesseans,
there's
always
at
least
a
bare
minimum
of
regulation.
H
Since
there's
been
no
regulations
to
this
point
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
this
industry
spun
up
pretty
quickly
we're
giving
them
a
bit
of
grace
period,
though
I
will
say
publicly-
and
I
think
many
of
them
would
agree
with
this-
the
folks
that
are
actually
already
in
the
retail
sale
of
this,
that
these
are
best
practices.
So
the
sooner
someone
can
come
into
compliance
with
this,
the
easier
it's
going
to
be
on
everybody
and
the
115
overdoses
I
mentioned
last
week
or
week
before
last
in
sub
30
of
those
are
under
five.
H
So
those
are
not
that's,
not
someone
who's
intentionally,
making
these
products
and
taking
too
much,
quite
frankly,
even
the
adults
that
wound
up
in
the
hospital
or
are
suffering
from.
You
know
a
medical
emergency
there
they
were.
I
mean
it's
unlikely,
at
least
from
the
conversations
I've
had
from
folks
in
the
industry
that
those
folks
intentionally
took
too
much
of
this
product
as
well.
I
mean
this
is
much
milder
than
what
we've
commonly
known
as
marijuana.
H
Most
of
these
products
are
milder
than
that,
and
it
has
caps
in
here
on
that,
and
so
some
of
those
likely
were
from
where
someone
got
a
product
that
was
had
much
more
thc
thc
in
it
than
they
would
have
anticipated,
so
hopefully,
as
soon
as
we
possibly
can
they'll
get
under
control,
but
because
of
the
fact
those
products
already
out
there
january
1st
2023.
L
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
for
the
sponsor
you-
and
I
have
had
many
many
long
conversations
about
this.
This
issue,
and
I
think
I
know
your
heart
and
I
believe
that,
as
we've
discussed
the
genie's
out
of
the
bottle
and
you're
attempting
in
good
faith,
I
believe
to
put
some
parameters
around
it,
but
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
are
watching
my
live
stream.
G
Just
for
clarity-
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this
already-
but
many
people
have
have
approached
me
about
this
in
my
district,
this
bill
just
addresses
the
side
products
like
cbd
oil,
gummies
things
like
that.
If,
if
someone
over,
if
this
bill
passes
someone
over
the
age
of
21,
they
will
not
be
going
be
able
to
go
into
a
convenience,
store,
cdb
oil
store
and
buy
a
baggie
of
weed
and
roll
a
joint
and
smoke
marijuana
is.
Can
you
address
that.
H
Yeah,
that
type
of
behavior
would
absolutely
still
be
prohibited
again.
Marijuana
is
an
illegal
drug
in
tennessee.
It
is
defined
very
clearly
as
anything
that
is
point
three
percent
delta,
nine
thc
or
higher.
I
will
say-
and
you
know
we
talked
about
this-
some
in
the
subcommittee
and
I've
had
lengthy
conversations
both
with
you,
chairman
and
with
others.
There
is
still
an
argument
that
some
of
these
products
would
be
illegal
under
the
analog
statute
at
the
state.
H
You
know
at
the
state
level
and
the
federal
level
the
the
problem
with
that
really
comes
down
to,
and
this
took
several
weeks
and
lots
of
conversations
even
for
me
to
come
around
to
it's
very
difficult
to
prove
that
so
trying
to
prove
exactly
where
an
end
product
came
from
and
say:
well,
it
came
from
marijuana
or
well.
No,
it
came
from
hemp
it
once
it's
distilled
down
and
out
in
another
product,
a
gummy
bear.
H
You
know
something
else,
it's
very
very
difficult
to
deny
impossible
to
prove
that
it
that
it
came
from
marijuana
versus
came
from
hemp,
and
so
when
we
drew
that
distinction
in
the
statute
several
years
ago,
we
kind
of
created
this
issue
where
we've
left
again
vendors
and
consumers
in
a
gray
area.
But
one
thing
that
is
crystal
clear
is
that
this
bill
does
not
legalize
marijuana.
I
have
said
publicly
that
I
do
not
think
that
we
should
go
down
that
road.
H
H
Currently
they
are
paying
sales
tax,
and
so
you
know
multiply
that
times,
roughly
10
and
you
can
see-
and
you
can
look
in
the
fiscal
note
kind
of
what
the
size
of
the
market
is
out
there
for
thc
products
that
are
not
marijuana,
and
so
that's
what
this
regulates
and
it
regulates
those
that
are
specifically
those
that
have
psychoactive
compounds.
So
again,
not
marijuana,
but
the
only
distinction
between
hemp
and
marijuana.
It's
all
the
cannabis
plant
is
the
legal
distinction
that
we
have
drawn,
and
that
is
a
distinction
that
remains
in
this
bill.
G
A
M
Thank
you,
chairman
curcio,
and,
as
you
and
I
have
discussed
this,
we
know
the
situation
of
it
in
the
senate
and
I
don't
want
to
be
a
burden
on
the
committee,
but
I
would
ask
a
favor
that
if
it
be
your
will-
and
will
this
committee
I'd
like
to
put
these
amendments-
that
I
have
I've
got
two
I
can
put
them
both
on
or
one
or
the
other.
A
You
vice
chairman,
sexton
members.
The
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
is
house
bill.
2524
has
been
sent
to
summer
study
in
the
senate.
The
the
vice
chairman
has
requested
that
we
at
least
put
his
amendments
on
the
bill,
so
that,
for
the
official
record
and
on
in
the
system,
this
bill
will
be
in
the
posture
that
he
intended
for
it
to
be
in
and
after
that,
I
believe
it
would
be
your
intention
to
take
the
bill
off
notice.
A
H
Mr
chairman,
I
had
filed
an
amendment
that
I
had
spoken
to
both
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
and
some
others.
It
is
on
the
mark
calendar
believe
it
was
timely
filed.
I
would
withdrawing
that
amendment
if
we're
going
to
allow
the
sponsor
to
go
forward
with
the
amendment
that
I
believe
was
untimely
filed.
If
there's
a
chance
of
that,
then
my
amendment
would
not
be
needed.
It
was
an
attempt
for
me
to
try
to
get
something
out
there.
That
would
resolve
some
of
these
issues.
A
M
Thank
you,
and
let
me
just
mention
this
when
we
had
this
in
the
subcommittee.
M
There
was
a
lot
of
questions,
a
lot
of
questions
by
this
committee,
and
I
made
a
promise
to
the
committee,
both
in
special
meeting
and
in
our
committee
meetings,
that
I
would
address
each
and
every
one
of
those
questions
that
was
brought
before
me
and
the
committee,
and
so
we
watched
the
video,
my
assistant
and
I
and
michelle
actually
worked
with
us
on
that
to,
and
I
think
she
can
verify
that
we
were
very
did
I
get
your
name
right,
okay,
that
we
were
diligent
in
trying
our
best
to
comply
with
the
promise
that
I
made
to
the
committee
that
I
would
address
those
that's
what
I
tried
to
do
with
this
committee.
M
We
actually
did
that
and
then
there
was
kind
of
a
typo
or
a
little
problem
that
needed
to
be
corrected,
and
so
we
had
to
go
back
and
fix
that.
But
that
is
what
brings
us
to
the
point
that
we're
at
now,
and
I
would
like
to
get
this
amendment
put
on
it
and
then
we'll
take
it
off
notice.
A
A
I
believe
the
motion
you're
about
to
make
is
take
the
bill
off
notice
and,
after
today's
meeting
we'll
be
closed
subject
to
the
call
of
the
chair.
Okay,
that's
good!
Okay,
members
of
that
objection,
house
bill
2524
off
notice.
Thank
you,
members.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
business
today.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
in
this
committee.
This
is
one
of
the
hardest
working
committees
in
the
house.
We
ask
you
to
read
a
lot.
A
K
Thank
you
chairman,
the
point
of
personal
privilege.
Please,
I
have
a
guest
I'm
going
to
ask
her
to
stand.
Melissa
lawrence
melissa
is
a
public
policy
director
for
sister
reach,
which
is
an
advocacy
group
for
women
and
families,
with
a
strong
focus
on
equity
and
equality
and
education,
economics,
housing
and
health
public
policy
issues.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
tell
you,
mr
chairman,
curcio,
thank
you
for
your
leadership
in
these
communities.
I've
only
served
on
this
committee
for
two
years,
but
I
appreciate
you
even
when
I
had
bills
before
I
was
in
this
committee
of
actually
working
through
it
sitting
down
talking
with
me
really
taking
this
committee
to
heart
and
wanting
the
best
bills
to
come
out
in
the
best
posture.
L
So
you
will
definitely
be
missed
as
chairman
of
this
committee,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
steady
hand
and
your
heavy
hand
when
you
hit
the
gavel,
also
but
steady
hand
in
leading
us
throughout
this
committee.
So
thank
you
so
much
and
I
appreciate
getting
to
know
you,
even
though
it
was
a
short
term
here
for
for
me
and
you,
but
but
thank
you
so
much
and
I
learned
a
lot
from
you
during
this
time.
Thank.
F
Much
like
other
folks
on
this
committee.
This
has
been
out
of
my
comfort
zone.
To
be
very
frank,
I
have
not
worked
in
this
world
or
in
this
line
of
work,
but
what
I
have
learned
and
what
I
I
have
seen
through
your
leadership
has
been
tremendous
and
the
way
you
have
guided
this
committee,
the
the
the
ability
to
allow
all
sides
to
have
a
say
to
have
input
on
bills
as
we've
gone
through.
This
has
been
admirable
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
F
Chairman
curcio
chairman
sexton,
the
work
that
you've
done,
you're
no
longer
a
poser
anymore
chairman,
but
this
is
this-
has
been
a
tremendous
learning
experience
for
me
and
for
all
of
us,
and
we
all
take
a
little
piece
of
this
committee
with
us
as
we
go
forward
and
you
have
been
great
in
sharing
yourselves
with
us.
So
thank
you
very
much
chairman
of
vice
chairman.
A
M
Thank
you,
chairman
cursey.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
serve
as
your
vice
chair.
You've
always
been
very
gracious
to
me
and
anything
that
I
ask
and
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
serve
under
you.
You
run
a
very
firm
but
fair,
sometimes
committee,
something
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
get
to
serve
with
you
and,
of
course
I
won't
be
here
next
year
either,
but
we'll
miss
we'll.
M
Twins,
that's
right.
I
also
want
to
say
that
michelle
does
a
great
job.
I've
worked
with
her
on
some
bills
and
she
just
very
gracious.
They
worked
over
the
weekend
and
these
two
guys
right
here.
M
You
know
they
don't
get.
They
don't
get
much
credit,
but
they
sure
make
us
look
good.
Sometimes
it's
hard
to
make
me
look
good,
but
they
make
chairman
curcio
look
real
good
yeah,
but
they
really
do
they
keep
us
in
line
and
they
are
just
the
best.
I've
worked
with
so
much
want
you
to
know.
I
appreciate
you
very
much
the
work
that
you
do.
A
H
Chairman
you're
gonna
you're
doing
a
fine
job,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
times
I
probably
told
you
that
but
and
it's
because
I've
sat
where
you
are
I've
been
there.
Many
of
us
in
this
room
have
chaired
a
committee
or
a
currently
charity
committee
and
it's
a
very
difficult
job
to
be
the
one
person,
no
matter
what
bill
is
in
your
committee,
even
if
it's
not
on
notice,
even
if
nobody's
ever
read
it
besides.
Maybe
the
sponsor
and
one
other
person,
that's
asking
you
about
it,
but
they
come
to
you
and
say.
H
What's
going
on
with
this
bill,
and
I
can
proudly
say:
there's
rarely
been
a
time
that
you
didn't
immediately
know
or
immediately
found
out
because
you
study
hard
at
this
stuff
and
what
what
a
lot
of
folks
don't
know,
who
only
know
you
as
chairman
curcio,
is
that
when
I
was
chairing
this
committee-
and
you
were
a
mere
freshman
and
came
in
as
my
vice
chairman,
just
as
jerry
was-
I
remember
some
of
those
early
conversations
and
it
was
like
hey.
This
isn't
really
my
area.
This
is
not
something
that
I
know.
H
H
Just
as
others
have
said,
it
means
that
you
were
willing
to
listen
and
learn
from
everybody,
both
those
that
in
favor
of
you
know
of
what
you
were
doing
or
or
were
you
know,
posers
to
what
you
were
doing
and
it's
just
been.
It's
been
a
real
pleasure
to
be
your
friend
and
I
genuinely
genuinely
appreciate
the
time
that
you've
served
in
the
legislature
and
what
you've
given
to
the
state
of
tennessee.
H
I
wish
you
well
in
your
future
endeavors,
and
I
know
that
we
will
all
miss
both
you
and
jerry
and
and
others
that
are
not
running,
but
none
of
us
are
designed
to
be
down
here
forever
and
by
the
time
you've
been
here.
H
I
can
proudly
say
that
I
am
confident
in
the
fact
that
you
have
left
a
mark
on
the
laws
that
are
written
in
those
green
books
over
there
and
and
the
the
the
leadership
that
you've
shown
on
this
committee
has
definitely
made
tennessee
a
safer
place
and
a
more
just
place,
and
both
of
those
are
important.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
leader,.
I
G
You,
mr
chairman,
I
want
to
add
my
voice
to
the
chorus
of
commendation
for
the
job
you
have
done.
You've
done
an
outstanding
job,
it's
been
a
privilege
of
mine
to
serve
on
this
committee
and
we've
done
some
heavy
lifting.
I'm
not
sure
that
our
constituents
realize
how
much
heavy
lifting
is
done
in
this
committee
and
you've
been
a
great
leader
at
that,
and
I
appreciate
that.
I
also
want
to
say
I
appreciate
vice
chairman
sexton.
We
came
in
together
and
thanks
to
him
I
have
added
a
new
word
to
my
vocabulary.
Oh
posers.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
will
exercise
this
opportunity
here
to
follow,
along
with
some
of
the
same
comments
that
my
colleagues
have
made,
but
I
I
want
to
both
of
you.
I
want
to
say
what
a
joy
it
has
been
to
serve
with
you
for
your,
for
both
of
you
for
your
leadership
and
your
guidance,
the
work
in
your
service
to
your
districts
and
the
people
of
this
great
state.
We
have
an
enormous.
D
D
It's
one
that
when,
when
a
bill
comes
especially
through
the
criminal
justice
committee,
you
can,
if
you
don't
do
things
right
in
criminal
justice,
you
can
really
mess
up
the
law,
real,
easy
and,
and
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
we've
done
in
the
the
four
years
that
I've
had
the
privilege
to
serve
in
in
the
criminal
justice
committee.
D
But
I
feel
I'm
very
confident
what
we've
done
is
is
very
good
work,
and
that
goes
back
to
you,
two
for
your
service
that
you've
done
on
this
committee
and
for
your
efforts.
And
so
again
I
want
to
say
thank
you,
I'm
very
grateful
for
your
friendship
and
I'm
we're
going
to
miss
you
going
forward,
but
best
wishes
to
your
future
endeavors.
A
Thank
you
very
much
members.
I
just
want
to
say
it's:
it's
been
my
honor.
I've
really
enjoyed
chairing
this
committee.
It
has
been
it's
been
a
task
at
times,
but
it's
always
been
one
that
I've
enjoyed.
I
want
to
thank
michelle
fogerty.
She
is
always
quick
with
an
answer
when
we
play
stump
the
lawyer,
which
is
our
favorite
game.
A
I
also
want
to
thank
the
clerks
that
have
worked
hard
on
this
committee
and,
of
course
I
want
to
thank
john
and
heather,
who
have
worked
very
very
hard
to
keep
me
in
line
and
to
make
sure
that
I
don't
say
anything
too
drastically
idiotic.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and,
of
course,
vice
chairman
sexton.
Thank
you.