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House Criminal Justice Committee - April 6, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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D
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A
A
A
This
has
become
every
year
we
have
several
pieces
of
legislation
dealing
with
various
aspects
of
not
only
delta,
8
delta,
9,
hemp,
cannabis.
You
know,
marijuana
the
bills
run
the
gambit.
I
always
find
it
laughable
when
a
constituent
of
mine
says
what
do
you
think
about
quote
that
marijuana
bill
and
I'll
say
which
of
the
50?
Are
you
talking
about
so?
But
this
year,
specifically,
we
have
a
public
policy
debate
in
tennessee,
going
on
about
delta,
8
or
other
hemp-based
cannabinoids.
A
We
had
a
bill
that
came
out
a
subcommittee
that
would
seek
to
treat
delta
8
cannabinoids
the
same
way
that
delta
9
cannabinoids
are
treated
to
to
peg
them
at
the
same
level.
That's
certainly
a
debate,
that's
worth
having
we're.
Also
having
a
debate
about
you
know
what
is
otherwise
now
legal
delta
8
cannabinoids,
should
they
instead
be
properly
labeled
and
packaged
and
measured,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
So
what
we
want
to
do
today
is
we
want
to
hear
from
members
of
law
enforcement
we're
going
to
hear
from
members
of
the
industry
we're
going
to
hear
from
some
district
attorneys
to
talk
about
the
issue.
Generally,
we
don't
have
a
bill
in
front
of
us
today.
We
won't
be
taking
a
vote
today,
we're
not
going
to
be
coming
to
any
conclusions
today,
but
this
is
sort
of
our
own
mini
summer
study.
A
A
And
first
on
our
list:
first
of
all,
we
will
need
to
go
out
of
session
so
we're
out
of
session
and
first
on
my
list,
I
have
the
department
of
safety
assuming
elizabeth
stroker
is
here
to
testify
for
the
department
of
safety
ma'am.
If
you
could
please
come
forward,
welcome
come
on
down,
you
guys
know
the
drill,
you
can
stand
at
the
podium
or
you
can
sit
at
the
table.
A
Please
turn
on
your
microphone
state,
your
name
for
the
record
and
then
share
with
this
committee,
whatever
you'd
like
we're
going
to
follow
the
same
format
as
we
do
typically
in
committee,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
guys
four
four
minutes
and
then
there'll
be
unlimited
time
for
question
and
answer,
but
we
just
want
to
be
able
to
structure
that
so
without
further
delay.
Here,
you're
recognized
elizabeth.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
committee,
I'm
matt
perry,
colonel
tennessee,
highway
patrol
sorry.
How
so
yeah,
I
think
you
hear
me
and
us
coming
here
and
our
biggest
concern
is:
is
traffic
safety?
The
people
driving
around
the
state
of
tennessee,
for
the
most
part,
is
our
primary
function,
so
we're
always
concerned
about
drugs,
impairment,
even
alcohol
impairment
and,
and
so
we're
concerned
about
this,
which
you
know
I
know
I
mean
I
think.
Maybe
we
have
something.
I
can't
speak
to
all
the
signs
of
it.
E
I
know
it
is
very
similar
to
marijuana
in
all
drugs
related.
Our
concern
is
that
there's
a
kind
of
a
wide
array
of
how
they're
handled
and
regulated
right
now
we
feel
the
effects
are
very
similar
to
what
is
currently
illegal
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
You
know:
delta
9
thc,
we
feel
delta
8
is
very
similar,
causes
some
of
the
same
effects
and
our
biggest
concern
is
crashes
and,
like
I
said,
traffic
safety,
and
you
know
typically,
we
have
around.
E
You-
know
2500
crashes
a
year
involving
drug
impairment.
I
don't
have
that
broke
down
into
every
kind
of
drug.
Sometimes
we
don't.
We
don't
know
that
we
just
know
there's
drugs
based
on
what
they've
admitted
to
and
drug
results
fatal
crashes.
We
typically
have
about
300
a
year
that
are
a
result
of
drug
impairment.
C
To
follow
up
on
what
he
said,
we
have
done
a
little
bit
of
research
based
on
surrounding
states
what
they
have
done,
how
they
handle
the
delta
8
delta
10
debate,
we've
kind
of
seen
what
they've
done
in
the
past.
What
the
issue
is
for
them
in
the
future,
so
we're
prepared
to
answer
any
of
that
really
just
wanted
to
keep
it
brief
and
and
open
it
up
for
any
questions
that
you
all
have.
A
F
C
Always
want
to
make
sure
what
we've
seen
is:
there's
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
what
all
the
states
are
doing
in
some
states.
This
isn't
an
issue
simply
because
they
don't
have
the
distinction
like
tennessee
does
to
where
delta
nine
is
the
specific
compound
or
derivative
in
the
code.
Some
other
states
have
it
to
where
it's
just
any
thc
is
either
regulated
allowed
not
allowed,
and
it's
all
treated
the
same.
C
F
C
Yeah-
and
I
would
say
yes,
we've
seen
and
you'll
hear
more
so
from
tbi,
who
are
the
really
the
drug
experts?
What
what
we've
seen
is
that,
right
now,
it's
just
unregulated,
there's,
no,
no
regulation,
age
caps,
dosages
anything
what
it
looks
like
labeling,
all
of
it
and
that's
where
we're
seeing
the
issue
and
not
just
from
the
law
enforcement
perspective.
It's
similar
to
what
we've
testified
on
in
the
past.
Is
the
people
don't
know
who
are
getting
it?
What
they're
in
for
they
don't
know?
C
What's
going
to
happen,
they
don't
know
the
effects
that
are
going
to
impede
them
or
impair
them.
They
don't
know
they
shouldn't
be
driving,
and
so
that's
where
we're
coming
from
is
we
want
if
it
is
the
will
that
this
be
you
know,
legalized
in
in
whatever
will
form
or
way
it
may
be
that
there
be
a
lot
of
thought.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
and
chairman.
Thank
you
for
setting
aside
a
significant
amount
of
your
committee's
time
for
this
important
subject.
I
know
we
in
the
subcommittee-
and
this
was
no
reflection
on
the
subcommittee
chairman
at
all.
He
did
the
best
he
could
to
allow
folks
to
be
heard,
but
this
is
a
setting
where
I
know
we
can
can
slow
down
and
take
our
time
with
this,
and
that's
a
really
good
thing.
G
So
I
just
want
to
ask
really
kind
of
one
question
on
the
fatalities
that
you've
seen
in
other
states
that
have
either
legalized
marijuana
or
allowed
for
higher
level
thc
products
that
may
not
be
delta
9,
but
other
deltas,
as
there
has
been
more
of
an
availability
of
those
substances
on
the
market.
What
has
happened
to
their
fatality
numbers
in
in
crashes
involving
intoxicational
drugs?
Have
they
gone
up?
Have
they
gone
down?
Have
they
stayed
stagnant?
E
Thank
you
thanks
leader,
yes,
they've
gone
up
now
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me,
but
I'm
a
part
of
a
group
with
with
the
all
the
state's
colonels,
and
so
I've
asked
specifically
the
ones
that
have
legalized
it
more
more
have
that
they
do
see
an
increase
in
fatal
crashes
and
they
call
an
increase
in
crime.
They're,
making
more
drug
arrests
and
more
dui
stops
for
impairment.
E
G
I
mean,
as
you've
said,
look
if
if
this
product
is
going
to
be
on
the
market,
are
there
any
kind
of
best
practices
or
good
regulations
that
other
states
have
been
able
to
put
in
that
have
been
able
to
keep
those
numbers
under
control?
I
don't
think
any
of
us.
Anybody
in
the
industry
on
this
panel
wants
to
see
more
fatalities
or
intoxicated
drivers,
so
are
there
any
practices
that
you've
seen
in
other
states
that
have
worked
to
keep
those
numbers
down?
They're
currently
recognized.
Thank.
E
You
there
are
that
regulation,
consistency
that
director
you
know,
stroker
spoke
of
that
eight
eight
and
ten
are
legal.
Nine
is
not.
You
can
buy
it
at
a
gas
station.
I
think
some
of
you
all
seen
it.
I
certainly
have
it's
it's
on
the
counter
at
most
gas
stations
to
director's
point,
anybody
can
take
it
any
18
year
old
can
get
it
take
it.
They
don't
know
what
they're
taking
it's
on
the
counter,
so
they
think.
Well,
I
can
take
it
it's
well.
E
C
We
obviously
can't
decide
that
down
further,
whether
it
was
hemp
or
delta,
8
9
10,
but
without
going
through
all
those
records,
but
just
to
show
that
it
is
a
problem,
and
we
just
don't
want
to
make
it
worse
and
so
regulation
to
make
sure
that
people
know
what
they're
getting
and
that
the
wrong
people
aren't
getting.
These
thank.
H
E
C
You
recognize
sorry
to
add
on
to
what
colonel
has
kind
of
said
in
other
committees.
What
we
we
have
seen
is
the
drug
duis
have
been
rising
as
opposed
to
the
alcohol
duis,
and
so
that's
really
kind
of
again.
That's
not
just
marijuana.
That's
any
drug
duis
is
really
what's
going
up
and
the
alcohol
is
coming
down,
and
so
we
just
don't
want
to
add
to
that
increase.
E
E
Those
are
the
the
troopers
and
there's
officers
across
the
state
as
well
beyond
troopers
that
are
trained
to
look
further
and
really
identify
and
narrow
down
to
stimulants
and
depressants
and
and
some
of
the
different
hallucinogens
different
drugs.
But
your
average
trooper
police
officer.
We
do
field
sobriety
tests,
you
know
that
they
will
determine
impairment.
E
Yes,
sir,
there
there
are
some
tests.
They
can
certainly
tell
whether
somebody's
impaired
there
are
certain
things
that
all
troopers
have
had
that
I
a-ride
it's
kind
of
a
precursor
school
for
advanced
roadside
impaired
driving,
it's
a
precursor
to
dre,
so
every
trooper's
had
that
they'll
look
at
certain
there's
a
few
things
that
go
above
and
beyond
field.
Somebody
like
lack
of
convergence
and
and
some
other
things,
even
just
opening
your
mouth
and
seeing
green
on
the
back
of
the
throat
that
you
know
in
the
back
of
your
tongue.
Those
are
things
but
not.
H
Chairman,
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
that
you
know
most
most
law
enforcement
officers
are
only
have
the
standard
field.
Sobriety
testing
the
a-ride
for
all
substances
and
abuses
is
very,
very
important.
I'm
proud
to
see
that
highway
patrol
is
doing
that
before
they
even
come
out
of
the
academy.
Every
trooper
is
a-ride
certified
when
they
hit
the
road
day
one.
So
that's
that's
very
encouraging.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
for
what
you
do.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
I
C
I
C
545
is
the
number
it's
my
understanding,
because
that's
how
I
requested
that
titan
pool
the
numbers
that
it
would
only
be
marijuana
related.
So
that's
my
understanding,
yes,
but
I
want
to
triple
check
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
mean
there
may
not
have
been
some
other
drug
in
there.
So
I'm
going
to,
I
want
to
triple
check
that,
but
that
is
my
understanding
of
what
that
number
is,
but
I
also
want
to
make
100
sure
I'll
ask
the
person
who
pulled
it
right
now.
Okay,.
I
E
I
So
much
to
either
one
of
you
now
are
we
aware
of
any
fatalities?
That's
been
directly
related
to
the
delta
eight
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
to
discern
that?
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
have
a
way
to
test
that
or
not
or
are
you
aware
of
any
fatalities?
That's
just
directly
related
colonel.
You
read
delta,
eight.
E
G
J
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
colonel
and
mr
thank
you
for
being
here.
Is
there
technology
out
there
to
do
a
screen
for
drugs
at
the
site
of
a
traffic?
Stop
we
have
breathalyzers
for
alcohol.
Is
there
technology
to
screen
someone
during
a
traffic
stop
to
see
if
they've
had
marijuana
in
their
system
or
other
drugs.
A
C
They're,
just
from
being
listening
to
the
cannabis
commission
and
being
present
with
that,
there
are
some
things
out
there
that
are
being
tested,
but
they're
not
really
full
range.
Yet
those
things
are
out
there,
but
it's
not
something
that
we
have
wide
access
to.
So
in
short
answer,
no,
not
right
now,
but
I
think
there's
stuff
out
there.
That's
trying
to
be
used
and.
K
E
J
J
E
Absolutely
it
has
something
to
do
with
it,
and
certainly
in
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Y'all
are
very
much
aware
of
a
couple
summers
ago.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
here
and
not
as
focused
on
the
road
than
covet
in
an
effort
to
protect
our
employees
troopers.
We
took
measures
to
be
seen,
but
maybe
not
have
as
much
interaction
as
we
were
getting
our
sort
of
our
hands
wrapped
around
what
it
was
going
to
present
to
the
members.
E
J
A
J
B
C
Yes,
I've
got,
I
don't
have
anything
prior
to
2017
when
I
initially
made
the
request
from
our
titan
unit.
I
just
you
know
the
request
was
from
the
past
couple
years.
Could
you
pull
it
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
try
to
get
the
years
prior,
but
I
do
have
the
breakdown
here.
I
keep
switching
to
a
different
document.
I
was
sending
that
graph
to
chairman
dixie.
If
you
have
another
question,
I
can
pull
it
up
in
about
10
seconds.
B
E
B
B
L
E
E
I
E
E
C
Yeah
and
I'd
the
person
is
typing
who
pulled
the
report,
so
hopefully
he
can
give
me
an
answer
here,
but
I
did
want
to
address.
I
told
you
I'd
check
up
on
that
when
he
pulled
the
numbers,
he
strictly
pulled
marijuana
numbers.
He
said
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
couldn't
have
been
something
else
on
the
talks
report,
but
we'd
have
to
go
back
and
pull
every
single
tax
report
to
check,
but
as
we
had
it,
that's
what
we
had
pulled
it
with.
So
it
is
possible
there
could
have
been
other
drugs
on
that
talks.
I
C
A
A
At
least
the
year
since
I've
been
the
general
assembly,
we're
talking
about
potentially
loosening
regulations
on
something
and
we're
wondering
what
effect
on
public
safety
will
that
have.
What
I
want
to
remind
everybody
is
that
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
perfectly
legal,
so
we
don't
have
to
wonder
what
will
happen.
I
think
I
think
we
look
back
and
see
what
has
happened.
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
have
nobody
else
on
my
list.
I
did
have
a
couple
of
so
and
I
guess
when
we
talk
about
packaging
in
a
moment,
but
your
testimony
talked
about
how
some
of
these
products
were
available
at
a
gas
station.
Let's
say
you
know
on
the
counter
in
much
the
same
way
a
beer
is
by
the
way,
but
but
but
I
think,
we've
all
been
much
better
educated
about
the
impacts
of
alcohol
and
of
that
beer,
and
you
know
no
you're
not
supposed
to
drink
and
drive.
A
So
do
you
think
that
better
messaging,
the
way
we've
had
you
know
this?
However,
many
years
we've
been
regulating
the
alcohol
industry,
I
mean,
would
that
be
helpful?
Or
do
you
feel
like
the
the
presence
of
cannabinoids
at
all
anywhere
you
know,
are
gonna
are
going
to
inherently
be
dangerous
to
our
roadways?
Is
it
more
about
education
on
the
consumer?
Is
it
more
about
just
the
product
itself.
E
I
think
it's
both,
I
mean
the
problem
we
talked
about.
We've
got
the
data
to
show
to
talk
about
those
crashes.
The
problem
is,
I
didn't
and
I'm
speaking
from
personal
experience,
just
seeing
it
at
a
gas
station,
not
somebody
telling
me
so
I
I
didn't
see
it
at
gas
stations
six
months
ago.
It
is
something
that's
you
know,
and
I've
seen
it
in
my
own
life
I
have.
I
have
kids,
I've
got
an
18
a
20
year
old
and
a
16
year
old.
E
Take
it
it's
all
good,
and,
and
so
there
is
a
complete
lack
of
education
and
knowledge
of
what
impairment
looks
like,
and
we
know
the
same
thing
with
you
know,
chairman
farmer,
speaking
about
opioids
and
stuff,
it's
they're
legal
prescribed
but
they're,
a
huge
problem
and
the
misuse,
and
so
you
know
that
that's
our
concern.
The
more
available,
the
more
accessible,
the
more
people
using
it,
the
potential
for
more
drivers
out
there,
you
know
making
the
roadways
unsafe.
E
L
M
You
mitch,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
of
preference
and
privilege
and
express
my
appreciation
to
you
and
all
the
troopers
out
there.
What
fantastic
job
y'all
do
protect
the
public.
My
daughter
actually
was
in
a
wreck,
and
you
guys
are
there
and
just
appreciate
everything
you
guys
do
so.
Thank
you.
M
N
N
N
A
B
O
Mike
little
I'm
assistant
director
over
the
tbi
forensic
services
division,
which
means
the
crime
lab.
I
guess
when
you
think
about
the
crime
lab
you
think
of
it
as
one
big
lab,
but
in
reality
it's
it's
one
lab
divided
up
into
several
smaller
labs.
So
when
it
comes
to
discussing
marijuana
delta,
8
delta,
9
and
all
things
hemp,
we
really
need
to
focus
on
solid
drug
doses.
You
you're
handing
me
some
plant
material
and
I
need
to
determine
what
that
is
and
then
in
a
separate
lab.
O
A
O
O
O
We
knew
that
there
was
a
thc
compound
there,
but
we
couldn't
confirm
that
it
was
delta,
nine
or
delta
eight.
We
then
reached
out
to
a
reference
lab
that
we
use
in
pennsylvania
to
say:
hey.
Can
you
guys
do
testing
on
this?
It
doesn't
exist.
There
is
no
blood
test
that
we
are
aware
of
that
we
could
even
buy
to
tell
whether
there
was
delta,
9
or
delta
8
in
these
samples.
So
we
asked
for
the
solid
dose
to
be
sent
in.
O
A
O
A
M
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
general
counsel,
russell
and
assistant
director
little.
Let
me
ask
you
this:
can
you
give
us
the
numbers?
Approximately
approximation
of
the
numbers
of
tests
tbi
is
asked
to
conduct
on
drug
testing
materials
versus
the
numbers
of
blood
samples
that
are
generally
submitted
on
an
annual
basis
on
average.
O
Receive
on
average
about
off
the
top
of
my
head
around
32
000
cases
of
drugs,
of
solid
dosage
drugs
that
are
submitted
in
blood
samples
for
dui
cases
or
other
driving
related
cases
about
95
percent
of
the
blood
samples
we
receive
in
driving
related
cases.
That
number
is
probably
more
on
the
order
of
about
20
000
samples
per
year.
O
L
O
So
if
what
I
like
to
say
is
if
you're
taking
an
anesthetic,
for
example,
when
that
drug
is
having
its
desired
effect,
it's
therapeutic
range
you're
unconscious.
So
drugs
are
tools
they
have
different
uses,
so
a
therapeutic
range
for
one
drug
may
be
conducive
to
operating
a
motor
vehicle.
In
other
cases
it
might
not
be
so
we
try
to
avoid
that
in
terms
of
saying
whether
somebody's
impaired
or
not,
it's
even
more
difficult.
When
you
start
talking
about
abused
drugs
to
say
what
that
therapeutic
level
is.
N
A
N
O
You
recognized
that's
kind
of
a
two-part
answer.
We
have
asked
and
we've
been
granted
we're
hoping
20
positions
that
we're
going
to
use
to
help
address
these
problems.
Two
of
those
are
going
to
be.
We
are
earmarked
towards
working
on
the
blood
samples.
Six
of
those
people
are
earmarked
towards
working
on
the
solid
dose
samples.
O
B
O
Little
yes,
so
we
we
work
with
officers.
We
work
with
district
attorney
generals
to
to
try
to
determine
which
cases
are
important
to
those
and
which
ones
need
to
be
tested
to
proceed.
I
produce
a
list
every
month
that
I
send
out
to
the
district
attorney
generals
of
pending
cases
for
them
to
let
us
know
what
cases
they
no
longer
have
interest
in
or
what
cases
have
been
pled
and
no
longer
require
testing.
O
So
basically,
what
happens?
Is
the
law
enforcement
agencies
submit
cases
that
they
that
they
have
interest
in?
We
perform
testing
on
that,
and
the
district
attorney
generals
then
choose
those
cases
to
be
prosecuted,
we're
trying
to
close
that
loop
and
work
with
the
da's
to
really
focus
on
those
cases
that
they
need.
O
N
O
Little
that
depends
on
different
disciplines,
we're
hoping
with
a
goal
first
of
being
12-week
turnaround
time,
but
but
really,
as
I've
discussed
with
my
people,
turnaround
time
is
really
the
amount
of
time
that
that
case
spends
sitting
on
a
shelf.
It
really
doesn't
need
to
spend
any
time
sitting
on
it
on
a
shelf.
It
may
take
a
week
or
two
to
get
that
tested.
N
O
O
They
compiled
data
from
about
200
to
300
different
forensic
labs
across
the
country
and
internationally
we
were
given
what
ended
up
being,
in
my
opinion,
kind
of
a
dubious
award
by
them
at
the
last
meeting
of
this
group,
which
was
called
their
maximus
award,
meaning
that
we
are
operating
at
95
or
greater
efficiency,
so
we're
doing
the
best
with
the
resources
we
have.
Unfortunately,
compared
to
other
states,
we
just
need
more
resources.
N
I
I
O
I'm
not
aware
of
a
fatal
dose
of
delta,
8
or
delta
9,
meaning
that,
if
you
take
enough
of
that,
it
will
kill
you
in
the
case
that
we
worked
with
these
children.
All
three
of
those
kids
required
medical
attention.
One
of
them
was
described
by
the
assistant
district
attorney
as
being
a
life-threatening
situation.
O
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
this
would
go
to
you,
mr
little,
I'm
curious
about
the
plant
side
of
things,
and
so
I
might
know
enough
just
enough
to
be
dangerous,
but
when
you're
testing
the
plant
you're
not
able
to
tell
by
just
looking
at
the
plant
what
it
is,
or
I
guess
just
explain
what
you're
testing.
O
The
plant
itself
is
cannabis,
sativa,
whether
it's
hemp
or
whether
it's
marijuana,
it's
the
same
species
of
plant,
it's
just
selectively,
bred
to
grow
or
to
contain
a
high
amount
of
thc,
a
high
amount
of
cbd
or
other
compounds.
So
visually
there's
no
way
to
look
at
that
and
determine
what
that
is.
Over
the
last
two
years,
we've
tested
13
381
examples
of
plant
material
that
have
been
submitted
to
us
by
law
enforcement
officers,
and
what
we
found
is
about
87
percent
of
the
time.
O
That's
presumptively,
when
we
do
color
tests
on
that,
indicative
of
it
containing
thc
and
being
a
marijuana
plant
about
13
percent
of
that
time
or
in
1748
cases
that
ends
up
being
consistent
with
hemp.
What
I
think
we've
run
into
is
that
the
tbi
has
been
turned
into
the
de
facto
regulatory
lab
for
marijuana
versus
hemp.
These
are
1748
cases
where
perhaps
these
people
shouldn't
have
been
bothered
by
law
enforcement
officers.
C
K
O
Right,
assuming
that
that
person
has
the
same
compound
that
came
from
that
same
plant,
we
can't
tell
the
difference
to
go
down
that
path.
A
little
bit
further,
there's
been
some
discussion
about
whether
the
thc
came
from
a
synthetic
source
or
was
naturally
occurring.
We
simply
can't
tell
thc
is
thc
or
delta.
Nine
is
delta.
Nine.
As
far
as
we're
concerned.
K
O
That's
basically
correct
when
I
say
solids:
I'm
talking
about
everything:
that's
not
a
biological
sample,
so
it
could
be
gummies,
it
could
be
plant
material,
it
could
be
a
brownie.
It
could
be
a
cookie
we're
dealing
with
milligram
amounts
in
those
by
the
time
they're
submitted
to
us,
and
it's
just
it's
just
an
easier
test
to
do
so.
We're
able
to
separate
that
delta,
nine
and
that
delta
eight
be
able
to
tell
you
which
one
is
present.
A
G
Would
it
be
fair
to
say
that
the
more
regulation
and
testing
and
product
labeling
and
control
on
the
front
end
the
less
work
it's
going
to
be
for
you
all
on
the
back
end,
to
try
to
identify
what
these
products
are.
I
mean
if
there's
a
lot
of
front
end
work
like
there
is
with
alcohol
or
other
products.
I
mean
you
just
don't
see
as
much
on
the
back
end.
Is
that
fair
enough?
Mr
little.
O
G
Mr
that's,
you
know,
and
I've
met
with
several
folks
in
the
last
week
or
so,
and
that's
been
a
common
theme
of
literally
folks
in
the
industry.
Folks
in
law
enforcement,
for
everything
is
that
you
know.
I
know
this
we'll
get
into
the
bill.
You
know
next
week
or
whenever
I
mean,
but
that's
honestly,
where,
as
the
sponsor
the
bill,
my
intention
of
where
to
go,
I
don't
want
those
1700
folks,
you
know
or
their
property
in
your
lab,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
they
want
to
be
there.
G
I
mean
that
stuff
should
have
been
done
long
before
it
got
to
tbi
because
that's
taking
valuable
time
away,
quite
frankly,
your
personnel
to
be
able
to
go
after
criminals
that
are
out
there
that
are
doing
other
things,
and
so
I
just
food
for
thought.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
what
was
just
said.
I
mean
in
essence-
and
these
are
our
decisions
we've
made
in
crafting
this
hemp
versus
marijuana
and
everything
else,
and
not
really
specifying
this.
We've
unfortunately
turned
the
tbi
lab
into
the
quality
control
unit
for
the
hemp
industry
and
that's
not
acceptable.
A
Thank
you,
leader
and
yeah.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
exactly
right,
which
is
we've
got.
We've
got
law-abiding
citizens,
let's
set
those
standards
figure
out
what
they
are
and
then
they
don't
wind
up.
You
know,
being
you
being
the
de
facto
lab
for
what's
hemp
and
what's
what's
marijuana
very
good
representative
griffey
for
follow-up.
M
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
again
director
little
thank
you.
I've
been
I've,
toured
the
lab.
I'm
aware
that
my
at
least
tangently
aware
of
the
monumental
tasks
that
we've
placed
on
you
through
regulations
and
so
forth.
In
addition
to
the
approximate
32
000
tests
for
drug
testing
on
product
substances
and
the
20
000
for
blood
samples,
you
guys
do
that's
separate
and,
apart
from
all
the
other
additional
tests,
tbi
is
requested
to
do
dna,
samples
on
guns
and
rape
kits,
and
everything
else
is
there.
M
O
O
B
M
M
F
O
I
will
do
my
best
to
answer
that
question
and
that's
really
kind
of
secondary,
but
but
my
understanding
is
is
that
you
can't
go
out
and
pick
marijuana
that
contains
a
high
amount
of
delta.
Eight
that
really
what's
going
on
as
it's
been
described
to
me,
is
that
we
have
produced
more
cbd
than
we
know
what
to
do
with
they're,
converting
cbd
by
adding
acid
to
it
into
delta,
eight
and
reapplying
that
to
plant
material
or
adding
it
to
other
foodstuffs
or
gummies.
A
P
P
Heywood
county
is
where
blue
oval
city
is
going
ford.
Motor
company
we're
very
proud
to
have
ford
coming
in.
Thank
you
all
for
doing
what
y'all
did
to
facilitate
that.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
energy
that
we
need
in
rural
west
tennessee
to
get
our
economy
going.
First,
I
want
to
let
y'all
know.
I
am
not
here
to
speak
for
the
district
attorney
general's
conference,
not
here
speaking
for
them,
I'm
also
a
board
member
for
the
west
tennessee
drug
task
force.
P
P
So
my
position
here
today
is
is
that
tennessee
is
one
of
the
most
violent
states
in
the
union,
we're
top
five
in
the
country
for
women
that
are
killed
by
men
and
in
our
district
and
in
my
office
we're
focusing
on
violent
crime,
because
violent
crime
is
what
prosecuting
those
crimes.
What
I
feel
keeps
our
community
safe,
and
sometimes
we
have
other
policies,
legislation,
bills
that
distract
us
from
that.
But
the
real
focus
of
the
criminal
justice
system
needs
to
be
on
violent
crime
da's
across
the
state.
P
P
I've
asked
the
conference
to
give
submitted
what
I
feel
like
I
need
for
our
for
our
district,
but
we
need
more
prosecutors.
We
have
limited
resources
so,
as
the
d.a
I
have
to
make
a
decision,
are
we
going
to
take
a
violent
case
to
trial,
or
are
we
going
to
take
a
non-violent
case
to
trial?
I
have
one
circuit
court
judge
for
four
circuit
courts.
P
P
P
G
G
I
know
we're
looking
at
judicial
redistricting
and
your
district
is
one
of
the
most
challenging
quite
frankly,
and
I
applaud
your
efforts
there,
it's
a
very
difficult
district
to
just
geographically
cover
everything,
so
I
know
we're
looking
at
that,
but
we're
also
looking
at
I
mean
last
year
the
district
attorney's
conference
didn't
get
any
new
positions
this
year.
Getting
quite
a
few.
I
hope
some
will
potentially
come
your
direction,
but
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you're
operating
in
a
position
right
now,
where
you're
you're,
understaffed
and
need
additional
staff.
Is
that
fair
enough.
G
Generous,
I
mentioned
that
is
because
the
hope
would
be
is
that
any
law
that
we
pass
down
here
is
that
your
office
is
able
to
prosecute
those
cases,
and
I
only
say
that
it's
somebody
who
used
to
do
the
job.
What
general?
What
leaves
tell
me
is
look.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's,
the
smallest
crime
that
gets
committed
or
the
biggest
crime
it
gets
committed.
G
Murder,
I
mean
our
instructions
were,
look,
you
go
to
court
and
you
handle
each
one
of
those
as
the
individual
that
they
are
and
it
sounds
like.
That's
that's.
What
you're
kind
of
messaging
with
us
today
is
that
we're
going
to
have
to
pick
something
and
we're
either
going
to
have
to
start
taking
some
laws
off
the
books
and
give
you
less
caseload
to
handle,
or
we
got
to
get
you
some
more
people.
Is
that
kind
of
the
message.
P
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
you
know
prosecutors,
we
have
a
great
discretion,
awesome
responsibility
and,
of
course,
I
hope
that
you
know
we
never
lose
our
discretion
because
we're
there
locally
and
we're
dealing
with
the
law
enforcement
officers,
the
witnesses,
the
victims.
You
know
the
proof
of
the
case.
P
G
Leader
lamberth,
thank
you
in
general,
my
only
ask
of
you,
as
a
legislator
is,
please
forget
to
say,
cover
all
the
crimes
and
I
don't
think
that's
not.
I
don't
think
that's
what
you're
saying,
but
I
want
you
to
absolutely
focus
on
those
violent
criminals,
but
my
only
ask
is
that
we
spend
an
enormous
amount
of
time
down
here,
trying
to
create
the
best
laws
possible
and
look
we
add
to
and
subtract
from
the
code
every
year,
but
use
that
discretion
carefully
and
and
don't
plannery.
G
We
have
seen
district
attorneys,
who
have
just
said,
they're
not
going
to
prosecute
entire
sections
of
the
code,
and
we
have
disagreed
with
that
vehemently
that
that
is
not
part
of
your
your
discretion.
It's
to
take
each
case
individually,
so
I
hope
we
can
get
you
the
resources
we
need
and
we
will
be
mindful
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
putting
more
on
you
than
you
can
handle.
Thank
you.
A
A
P
P
I
do
know
that
there
was
a
at
some
point
in
the
last
18
months.
Someone
may
have
been
taken
to
the
hospital.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
an
adult
or
if
that
wasn't
a
teenager,
but
that's
the
only
call
I've
gotten
about
the
you
know,
there's
confusion,
obviously
with
what's
legal
and
what's
not
legal,
but
I
would
say
that
I'd
be
more
concerned
with
teenagers
eating
tide
pods
than
eating
delta,
8
and
delta
9..
So
we're
not
talking
about
you
know
banning
tide
pods
in
the
tennessee
general
assembly.
So
thank.
M
Let
me
ask
you
this
from
what
it
I'm
I'm
kind
of
hearing
you
know:
you're
the
the
d.a
you're,
the
tip
of
the
spear,
along
with
law
enforcement,
on
trying
to
address
violent
crimes
and
you're
aware
of
the
burdens
the
the
laws
have
place
that
the
legislature
have
passed,
have
placed
on
all
of
our
prosecutors
in
law
enforcement
to
enforce
your
boots
on
the
ground.
Do
you
do
you
think
we
should
perhaps
look
at
a
system
where
we're,
if
we're
testing
blood
for
alcohol
drugs,
a
lot
of
that
stuff
can
get
screened
commercially.
M
P
M
Representative
griffey,
thank
you.
Let
me
ask
you
this:
what
about
a
pilot
program
or
if
maybe
the
state,
looks
at
contracting
with
a
hospital,
a
drug
screen
and
a
lab
company
saying
look
we're
going
to
say
particular
county
we're
going
to
have
send
all
our
blood
samples
to
you
for
dui
or
drug
screening,
something
like
that
you're
going
to
have
to
provide
an
expert
somewhere
and
they're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
testify
at
any
of
the
court
cases,
and
when
we
look
at
contracting
for
something
like
that.
M
What
because
I'm
I'm
with
you,
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
violent
crimes
and-
and
I
know
the
the
logistical
problem
you
know:
55
000
cases
of
testing
objects
for
drug
contents
and
then
another
20
000
for
blood
contents
of
blood
samples
for
drugs
in
them.
It's
just
an
overwhelming
number
and
they've
only
got
150
lab
agents
being
able
to
test
this
stuff.
M
P
Well,
I'm
not
a
lab
tech
or
a.
I
was
not
a
biology,
major
or
a
business
major,
so
you
know
that's
really
outside
of
my
expertise
and
you
know
to
be
honest
with
you,
representative
griffey.
I
haven't
given
that
much
thought
other
than
trying
to
find
ways
to
get
the
cases
like
rape
cases
and
murder
cases
tested.
P
You
know
we
do.
Sometimes
we
do
settle
cases
before
the
lab
results
come
back
and
we
try
to
let
the
tbi
know
that
hey
this
case
has
been
settled.
Please
take
it
off,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
testing
it,
but
I
can't
I'm
not
an
expert
in
that
and
in
contracting
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
appreciate
your
question.
K
P
K
Don't
take
it,
don't
take
it
personally
at
all,
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Don't
take
it
personally
at
all
and
I
must
relay
what
I'm
hearing
from
my
school
resource
officers
on
a
daily
basis,
what
they're
dealing
with
with
some
of
these
products
that
are
in
convenience
stores
right
now,
so
I'm
glad
that
you're
part
of
the
state
is
not
dealing
with
it.
My
part
of
the
state
is
dealing
with
it
on
a
daily
basis,
so
I
put
that
out
there.
Thank
you,
chairman
of
members,
thank.
A
N
P
I
am
as
far
as
I'm
I
know
we
use
the
tbi.
I
would
have
to
yield
to
our
da's
conference
and
see
if
there
was
some
third
party.
For
some
reason.
If
you
know
there
was
some
issue
whether
we
could
go
to
a
third
party,
I
would
have
to
yield
to
the
conference.
I
can't
speak
on
that
representative
hardaway.
A
A
A
A
That's
right,
so
you
all
will
be
testifying.
As
a
panel
member,
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
dashboard.
There
is
a
powerpoint
presentation
in
dashboard.
If
you
are
not
utilizing
dashboard,
it
is
also
on
the
screen
so
there
for
your
viewing
pleasure
and
for
the
panel
well,
you
are
recognized
just
introduce
yourselves
to
the
record
and
then
share
this
committee
wherever
you'd
like
okay.
Thank
you
can.
Q
Q
This
infrastructure
that
we're
starting
to
see
today
and
began
producing
many
of
these
products
and,
as
you
can
see,
we've
got
our
definition
of
hemp.
Here,
that's
43-27,
that's
the
hemp
code,
but
it
actually
came
alive
out
of
the
criminal
code,
an
exception
to
marijuana
and
one
of
the
things
to
be
clear
that
in
federal
law
and
in
tennessee
state
law,
the
standard
is
0.3
delta,
9,
thc,
and
if
you'll
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
one.
Q
This
is
very
important
because
when
we're
talking
about
thc
and
total
thc,
the
tda
and
usda
already
have
standards
for
this
and
how
hemp
has
grown
and
it's
important
to
understand
that
they
have
a
post-harvest
standard
for
these
prod
or
excuse
me
pre-harvest
standard.
There's
a
30-day
window
that
hemp
farmers
are
required
to
test
their
product
before
harvesting,
and
this
is
important
because
what
a
lot
of
people
don't
understand
is
that
hemp
t
has
a
natural
level
of
thc
in
it.
Q
Q
The
majority
of
these
genetics
don't
meet
that
standard,
and
so
we
would
have
a
big
problem
in
our
industry,
not
just
eliminating
the
delta
a
products,
but
it
would
also
create
an
issue
for
farmers,
and
one
of
the
other
aspects
I
wanted
to
touch
on
is
when
you're
changing
that
definition
of
marijuana
and
setting
that
0.3
percent
total
thc
standard
has
a
lot
of
criminal
implications,
because
you
know
this
wouldn't
just
mean
a
ban
for
hemp
industry.
People
selling
these
products,
it
would
actually
create
criminals
across
our
state.
Q
You
know
this
over
criminalization
aspect,
and
you
know
I
again
want
to
thank
our
thank
the
committee
for
being
here,
and
I
want
to
thank
our
law
enforcement
for
testifying
on
this.
We
want
to
make
their
jobs
easier,
and
perhaps
we
could
have
some
kind
of
tax
that
would
get
them
that
pay
raise,
so
they
have
the
resources
to
properly
regulate
these
products
and
then
my
last
point
I
wanted
to
cover
delta
8
and
some
other
states.
Q
Now
15
states
have
banned
or
restricted
these
cannabinoids,
but
most
of
this
is
just
a
failure
to
regulate
and
it's
the
hemp
industry
not
coming
to
the
table
with
the
legislature,
which
I
hope
everyone
understands
that
we've
been
trying
to
do
and
additionally
has
to
do
with
a
lot
of
other
factors.
Some
of
these
bands
are
actually
just
bands
on
synthetic
cannabinoids
and
it's
important
to
understand.
There's
a
difference
between
synthesis
and
synthetic
and
we're
going
to
cover
that
later
in
our
presentation.
Q
But
the
dea
standard
is
very
clear
that
all
hemp
derived
cannabinoids
are
legal
and
the
synthetic
cannabinoids
are
what
is
being
banned.
Excuse
me
in
many
of
these
states,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
point
out
an
example
of
a
state
that
has
a
great
program.
Florida
has
a
really
great
program
for
delta
eight.
They
have
a
regulatory
structure
and
the
dea
actually
last
year
had
a
town
hall
with
them.
Q
That's
a
really
enlightening
video
and
they
clarified
the
legality
of
delta
8,
but
they
also
talked
about
the
regulatory
structure
that
florida
is
using
now
in
some
of
these
other
states.
I
wanted
to
point
out
two
examples:
kentucky
and
texas
have
banned
delta,
eight,
but
right
now,
they're,
actually
in
a
temporary
injunction,
because
their
courts
have
determined
that
the
process
was
incorrect
or
there's
some
kind
of
constitutional
issue
there.
Q
And
when
you
know,
when
we're
looking
at
the
fiscal
notes
related
to
this
topic,
we
want
to
take
into
account
that
some
type
of
ban
or
heavy
restriction
could
mean
additional
money
costing
the
state
in
the
form
of
lawsuits
as
well.
So
that's
definitely
something
to
point
out,
but
again,
I
just
wanted
to
be
available
to
answer
any
kind
of
legal
questions,
and
you
know
clarify
that
delta.
A
in
these
hemp
derived
products
are
federally
legal
and
legal
in
the
state.
R
Good
afternoon,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
it's
it's
good
to
see
many
of
you
again
and
I
thank
you
for
inviting
my
testimonia
today.
My
name
is
john
kearns
and
I'm
the
co-founder
and
ceo
of
new
bloom
labs
located
in
chattanooga,
I'm
a
lifelong
tennessean
having
grown
up
in
greene
county
new
bloom
labs,
provides
the
chemical
analysis
of
hemp
and
hemp
derived
products
for
the
purposes
of
legal
compliance,
quality
control
and
consumer
safety.
In
short,
we
exist
to
ensure
that
hemp
products
are
sold
with
reliable
labeling
and
that
they're
safe
for
human
consumption.
R
R
The
basis
of
all
of
this
essential
consumer-facing
safety
information
is
laboratory.
Testing
so
with
the
committee's
indulgence,
I'd
like
to
use
a
few
minutes
of
my
time
to
explain
exactly
what
we
do
as
a
hemp
lab
and
how
tennessee's
jobs-rich
hemp
market
relies
on
our
services,
from
hemp
field
to
harvest
crop,
drying
and
storage
and
throughout
the
extraction
and
manufacturing
process.
R
R
This
test
ensures
that
crops
and
finished
products
meet
the
federal
standard
for
concentration
that
congress
clearly
set
forth
in
the
2018
farm
bill.
This
test
also
ensures
that
manufacturers
are
crafting
products
that
provide
a
reliable
consumer
experience
that
matches
the
concentrations
published
on
the
label.
Two.
R
We
provide
safety
screenings
for
the
following
contaminants,
heavy
metals,
pesticides,
solvents
harmful
microorganisms
and
mycotoxins
mycotoxins
is
it's
a
poisonous
residue
left
behind
where
mold
has
once
been
present
in
substance?
Now
it's
important
to
make
clear
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
samples
that
we
test
pass
compliance
and
safety
screening
protocols
as
an
example.
R
R
This
is
because
the
tennessee
hemp
industry
monitor,
monitors
its
method
of
production,
vigilantly
and
most
industry
actors
are
motivated
to
create
products
that
provide
an
enjoyable
or
therapeutic
consumer
experience
all
while
safeguarding
customers.
Now
that's
not
to
say
that
the
hemp
industry
is
perfect.
In
fact,
it's
crying
out
for
consumer
protection
regulations
that
would
root
out
potential
bad
actors
and
stabilize
the
industry
for
years
and
generations
to
come,
and
so
yes,
as
a
founder
and
a
ceo,
I
find
myself
in
a
place
that
I
never
thought
I
would.
I
am
begging
my
government
for
regulation.
R
Prohibition
would
also
be
devastating
to
the
team
at
new
bloom
labs,
where
we're
currently
onboarding
two
new
employees
with
plans
to
add
four
more
in
the
next
60
to
90
days,
and
so
I
thank
the
committee
for
its
concern
for
the
safety
of
tennesseans.
I
can
assure
you
that
the
industry
shares
it.
I
enthusiastically
asked
for
this
committee
support
for
tennessee
hemp
and
to
thoughtfully
consider
right-sized
regulations
that
would
bolster
our
state's
worldwide
leadership
in
hemp
production.
R
D
D
All
of
this,
on
top
of
having
the
absolute
best
temp
program
in
this
country,
I
am
proud
to
call
nashville
and
tennessee
home
in
2019.
I
co-founded
canvas
supply
company
where
I
serve
as
the
ceo
canvas
is
a
consumer
products
company
that
uses
cannabinoids
as
a
functional
ingredient
in
a
wide
range
of
products.
We
are
a
growing
organization
expected
to
double
our
team.
In
the
next
year,
canvas
products
are
sold
in
more
than
a
hundred
retail
locations
throughout
tennessee.
D
D
I
am
concerned
this
afternoon
that
pending
legislation
would
bring
economic
devastation
to
our
industry
and
community
in
an
industry
that
employs
thousands
of
tennesseans,
while
also
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
inhibits
the
ability
to
the
ability
and
excess
of
adult
consumers
who
freely
choose
to
safely
utilize
hemp
cannabinoid
products.
Today
we
hear
you
loud
and
clear
that
there
are
products
on
the
market
that
pose
potential
risk.
Our
argument
isn't
there,
however,
it's
not
because
the
product
is
inherently
dangerous.
D
It's
because
there
aren't
clear
regulations
and
testing
standards
in
our
industry.
In
my
tenure
in
the
industry,
I
have
successfully
operated
consumer
brands
and
retail
distribution
in
other
states
where
there
has
been
a
balanced
level
of
regulation
that
supports
growth,
while
also
requiring
proper
conformance
to
consumer
safety
standards
that
focus
first
on
strong
testing
and
packaging
requirements.
D
D
Additionally,
there
has
been
some
concern
on
cannabinoids
being
synthetic.
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
clarify
that
delta,
8
and
delta
10
are
not
synthetic.
They
are
synthesized
products
from
organic
inputs.
The
two
words
are
very
similar
synthetic
and
synthesized,
but,
very
importantly,
different
synthesized
products
are
common
in
many
of
our
consumer
goods
that
we
consume
every
day.
For
example,
in
some
of
our
favorites
beer
and
sugar.
D
Tennessee
is
in
an
opportune
position
right
now
to
bring
the
public
and
private
sector
together
to
create
thoughtful
policies
for
hemp
derived
cannabinoids.
We
can
be
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
country
and
keep
tennessee
in
the
leadership
seat
of
this
growing
industry
that
will
provide
benefits
to
our
state's
families
for
generations
to
come.
Thank
you
again
in
time
for
hearing
us
today
and
we're
very
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
G
Thanks
chairman
and
thank
you
on
most
of
you,
I've
met
within
my
office
or
spoken
to
on
the
phone,
and
I
appreciate
your
comment
mentioning
that
you
know
we
need
regulations
on
this
and
it's
it's
my
understanding
again
from
virtually
everyone.
I've
spoken
to
in
the
industry
that
that
seems
to
be
a
consensus
is
that
you
have
bad
actors
that
are
almost
ruining
the
entire
industry
for
those
that
are
trying
to
do
it.
Well,
I
mean:
is
that
a
fair
enough
statement?
I
don't
want
to
overstate
or
misstate
anything
you're
portraying
you're
recognized.
R
Leader
lamborth,
I
I
believe
that
that
that
is
accurate.
I
I
new
bloom
labs
has
a
unique
purview
in
that
we
do
business
with
the
entire
supply
chain,
and
so
we
know
growers
we
know
extractors.
We
know
product
manufacturers
and
we
we
work
with
tens
of
thousands
of
producers
across
the
country.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
vast
majority
are
earnest
producers
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
market
their
products
in
a
responsible
way,
and
it
bothers
me.
R
It
bothers
me
when
I
go
into
a
gas
station
and
I
see
products
that
are
marketed
clearly
to
children.
That's
not
right,
and
we
should
do
something
about
that
in
tennessee
and
that
that's
in
fact,
the
beauty
of
a
well-regulated
product
environment.
We
can
rely
on
our
state's
well-crafted
regulations
and
real
enforcement
mechanisms
to
protect
this
industry
and
continue
to
make
it
economically
viable
for
years
to
come.
G
Later
chairman,
you
might,
if
I
go
back
and
forth
a
little
bit,
I
know
we're
tight
on
time.
Go
ahead
so,
and
thank
you
for
saying
that-
and
I
want
to
thank
again,
you
know
the
folks
that
have
emailed
and
called
the
industry
folks
I've
met
with.
I
mean
it
quite
frankly,
has
been
very
helpful.
For
me.
G
If
it's
okay,
I
mean
again
in
elaborated
fuel
too,
but
just
I
know
we're
tight
on
time
a
little
bit
here
so
and
it
sounds
like
there's
no
issue
with
reasonable
regulations
dealing
with
packaging
and
and
controlling
you
know
over
21
only
and
warnings
and
labeling,
and
all
of
that
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
want
to
make
sure
that
the
product
that's
on
the
shelf
is
exactly
so
when
a
consumer
is
buying
that
they
have
an
expected
experience
that
whatever
that's
going
to
be,
is
exactly
what
it's
labeled.
As
is
it
fair
enough?
G
That's
right,
okay
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
there's
any
issue
with
licensure.
I
mean
the
folks
being
licensed
to
do
this
instead
of
just
any.
You
know,
711
or
bp,
out
there
being
able
to
sell
this
and
and
advertise
that
they're
a
pharmacy
in
instance,
or
you
know
something
else
that
licensure
and
making
sure
that
those
that
are
selling
this
fit
within
a
certain
criteria.
Is
that
fair
enough?
G
I
would
agree,
sir
okay
and
as
far
as
consumer
safety,
if
there
are
bad
actors
out
there
that
are
going
beyond
the
pale
and
are
providing
products
that
are
harmful
or
that
are
marketed
to
children
or
doing
things
that
you
know
the
industry
standard
would
be
well
beyond
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
guys
are,
are
fine.
You
know
having
heavy
regulations
that
would
preclude
some
of
these
bad
actors
from
being
engaged
in
this.
Is
that
fair
enough?
Yes,.
R
Absolutely
but
but
the
the
easiest,
the
easiest
way
to
enforce
and
make
sure
that
these
products
aren't
on
the
retail
shelf
is
that
we
need
a
law
that
says
that
we
can
remove
them
from
the
shelf
if
they're
not
compliant
as
a
first
step.
That's
that's.
The
number
one
thing
immediately
cease
access
to
a
non-compliant
product
and
then
perhaps
an
investigation
that
goes
to
the
root
cause
of
why
it
was
there
in
the
first
place.
G
Yeah
and
that
that's
exactly
what
we
do
with
other
products,
and
I'm
glad
you
said
that,
because
that
is,
I
think,
a
goal
that
should
be
obtainable.
There
are
entities
out
there
that
do
that
with
alcohol
or
tobacco
with
any
food
product.
I
mean
that's
done
already,
that's
not.
We
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
to
do
that.
So
again,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
and
then
the
last
thing
I
mean.
I
think
this
is
probably
an
obvious
one,
but
you
obviously
don't
want
anyone.
G
That's
a
member
of
you
know
your
organization
or
your
businesses
to
be
arrested.
I
mean,
as
we
heard
earlier
from
the
tbi
I
mean.
Obviously
they
have
a
significant
number
of
cases
that
are
submitted
to
them
and
it
doesn't
go
to
the
tbi
unless
there's
been
law
enforcement
involvement,
and
so
I
know
I
don't
want
anyone
out
there
who
is
selling
a
product
where,
on
monday
you
know
they
think
it's
legal
and
on
wednesday
a
new
police
chief,
get
gets
hired.
G
A
new
officer
goes
to
training
or,
quite
frankly,
I
know
you
mentioned
the
federal
regulations,
the
general
on
the
right,
but
I
mean
I
I've
looked
at
a
lot
of
that.
I
mean
they're
they're
in
flux,
a
little
too
I
mean
they're.
You
know
they're,
looking
at
a
lot
of
that
right
now
I
mean
the
fda
is
issuing
things.
The
dea
is
evaluating
this.
If
we
make
a
decision
here
in
the
state
on
what
is
legal
and
what's
not
legal,
and
we
make
that
clear
and
concise,
I
mean
it.
G
That
sounds
to
me
to
be
a
much
better
business
model
so
that
you
all
know
if
the
products
you've
got
on
the
shelf.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
entanglement
with
law
enforcement,
because
those
are
legal-
and
you
know
what's
not
legal
as
well
is.
It
is
a
clearly
defined
standard
there,
a
much
better
standard
for
you
all.
R
Well,
leader,
lambert,
to
be
clear:
yes,
we
invite
standards
and
we
should.
The
industry
should
be
held
to
those
standards.
It
is
entirely
possible
to
craft
onerous
standards
that
are
not
helpful
to
the
industry
and
that
that
would
continue.
That
would
continue
to
be
a
threat
to
the
industry,
so
it
will
take
some
care
for
sure.
But
yes,
as
a
general
statement,
standards
are
not
only
a
welcome
but
but
critical
for
our
industry.
G
All
right,
thank
you,
and
those
are
my
questions,
mr
chairman,
and
that's
again
that
is,
I
wanted
to
just
to
have
this
conversation
publicly.
We've
had
it
privately,
both
in
my
office
on
the
phone
via
emails
back
and
forth,
and
I
mean
I
think,
that's
extremely
good
information
for
us
to
just
have,
and
you
know
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today.
Thank
you.
K
A
K
K
I
want
to
begin,
mr
west
as
you're
speaking
as
well.
I
don't
think
anyone
here
has
an
issue
with
our
hemp
growers
with
the
industry
with
the
farmers
that
are
out
there
doing
the
work
in
the
field.
Hemp
and
marijuana
are
very
different
at
harvest.
Hemp
and
marijuana
are
very
different
and
most
points
along
the
time
frame.
There
are
huge
differences,
the
concerns
that
I
have
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
others,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
this
with
myself.
K
The
concerns
that
I
have
is
when
you
get
to
the
concentration
of
thc
and
it's
boiled
down
to
it.
We
heard
the
general
from
the
tbi
say
earlier
that
you
cannot
differentiate
the
thc
in
someone's
blood
being
different
from
t.
Excuse
me,
hemp
and
marijuana
being
different
in
their
blood
system
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
difference
in
their
brain
and
in
the
the
reaction
in
someone's
brain
as
well.
K
So
those
are
the
concerns
that
I
have
personally
about
the
industry
and
where
we're
going,
the
the
fact
that
we
were
looking
at
at
small
percentages
that
that
the
concentration
of
thc
and
the
hemp
plant
itself
is
very,
very
low,
but
when
it
gets
boiled
down
when
it
gets
concentrated
what
it
becomes
a
product
that
and
again
I've
said
this
three
times
that
when
my
school
resource
officers
are
coming
to
me
in
fear,
because
they
are
seeing
this
on
a
daily
basis
in
their
schools.
That's
what
worries
me.
Can
you
help
me
with
that
science?
Q
Yeah
well,
the
the
first
thing
you
talked
about
was
the
farmer.
Can
you
hear
me
good?
Okay,
the
first
thing
talked
about
is
the
farmers
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
we're
just
setting
attainable
standards,
and
I
believe
that
the
department's
current
standards
and
the
usda's
current
standards
are
attainable
and
they're
working.
Well
when
it
comes
to
the
science
and
the
brain.
Q
No
one
should
be
driving
under
the
influence
of
any
substance,
but
I
think
dosing
and
regulation
will
really
help
with
that
I
mean
for
one
making
sure
people
are
21
and
up
that
parents
aren't
you
know,
leaving
these
products
out
and
their
kids
aren't
getting
them.
You
know
they
need
to
put
them
up
in
their
liquor
cabinet
or
putting
some
putting
somewhere.
Q
They
know
are
safe
and
not
accessible,
but
also
just
making
people
understand
that
there's
dosing
and
that
if
they
take
a
product
that
they
know
how
long
it
should
last
and
know
the
effects,
that's
going
to
greatly
reduce
the
traffic
incidences
that
we
have,
and
I
think
in
some
other
states
we've
seen
when
they've
regulated
cannabis
products.
They've
seen
those
traffic
situations
go
down,
because
you
know
you
understand
what
you're
getting
I'll
leave
it
to
mr
kearns
for
the
science,
though,.
R
R
K
If
someone
is
under
the
the
influence
of
a
substantial
amount
of
this
thc,
so
that
would
be
helpful.
I'll
challenge
you
as
a
business
person
as
a
business
model,
to
see
what
we
can
do,
what
you
can
do
to
try
to
put
that
in
in
the
in
the
context
of
your
business
as
well.
Thank
you,
chairman
and
members.
Thank.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
on
the
gummy
bears
you
got
up
there.
I
don't.
I
can't
see
that
far
to
see
what
the
milligram
dosage
is,
but
based
on
the
amount
of
milligrams
in
that
one
package,
how
many
gummy
bears
can
you
eat
before
it
begins
to
impair
decision
making
or
motor
skills
or
or
that
kind
of
thing
yeah?
In
other
words,
does
it
compound
itself
and
is
that
how
it
works
so.
R
R
I
have
family
members,
parents
in
fact
that
do
consume
d8,
gummies
every
night
to
help
with
sleeplessness
right
and
so
there's
no
one
answer
that
the
psychoactive
effect
any
sort
of
direct
line
that
one
might
draw
from
the
concentration
in
one
unit
of
an
element
to
the
level
of
impairment
in
in
a
person.
There
is
no
such
direct
line
because
our
bodies
process
these
materials
in
different
ways.
J
A
Q
Q
You
know
how
many
beers
it
will
take
before
you're,
intoxicated
and
everyone's
different,
depending
on
your
size,
weight
activity
body,
whatever
you
do,
can
be
a
factor,
and
so
cannabis
is
just
the
same
as
alcohol
in
that
way,
there's
a
variety
of
factors
that
can
cause
different
levels
of
intoxication
and
the
key
is
going
to
be
education
of
our
consumers
and
then
them
knowing
what's
in
their
product
and
what
dose
they're
taking
at
the
time.
Does
that
kind
of
sort
of
answer?
Your
question
chairman
halsey.
A
Q
D
D
D
L
J
R
Yes,
right
now
there
there's
no
law
in
tennessee,
requiring
producers
to
conduct
any
sort
of
consumer
product
testing
at
all,
and
so
a
delta
product
could
be
on
the
shelf,
and
I
can
almost
assure
you
that
a
delta
product
is
on
the
shelf
not
far
from
this
location.
Right
now,
that's
never
been
tested.
R
J
R
Yes,
representative,
we
certainly
do
but
those
concentrations
of
these
of
these
different
analytes
change
over
time
throughout
the
manual
manufacturing
process
in
the
supply
chain.
So
when
a
crop
is
harvested
in
october
of
this
year
say
and
then
by
may
of
next
year,
it's
turned
into
an
edible
that
concentration
will
fluctuate
quite
a
bit
before
it's
arrived
at
the
final
consumer
product,
it's
important
to
test,
not
only
the
crop
but
the
final
product
as
well
representative.
J
R
So
you're
asking
a
a
a
question:
that's
related
to
manufacturing
specifically,
and
there
are
any
number
of
different
manufacturing
processes
in
many
instances.
That
might
be
the
case,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
if
a
substance
gets
hotter
during
part
of
the
supply
chain
that
it's
not
diluted
out
by
by
quite
a
bit
before
it
becomes
a
consumer
product-
and
I
know
devin
is
more
intimately
familiar
with
the
manufacturing
process.
So
perhaps
I
should
defer
to
her.
J
So
in
his
comment
earlier
about,
maybe
we
needed
to
do
more
on
the
front
end.
So
are
you
wanting
to
put
more
of
this
problem
upon
the
department
of
agriculture?
We
do
have
representation
here
of
department
of
agriculture.
So
are
you
sort
of
wanting
to
put
more
of
the
the
burden
up
on
them
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
let
this
product
get
too
hot
before
it
gets
to
the
to
the
factory.
R
A
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
I
think
to
put
a
finer
point
on
it.
What
they're
saying
is
the
lady?
The
representative,
here
from
canvas,
has
labeled
her
product
she's
got
dosage.
She's
got
all
this
information
on
here,
but
she's
doing
that,
because
she's
a
good
person
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
there's
no
state
law.
That
requires
her
to
do
that.
Moreover,
there's
nobody
at
the
state
or
who
is
regulated
by
the
state
that
verifies
whether
or
not
that's
accurate,
now
again
she's
a
good
actor.
A
She
doesn't
want
to
make
people
sick,
so
it
I
could
reason
believe
that
what
she's
put
on
that
package
is
accurate,
but
somebody
else
could
easily
imitate
her
product.
You
know
pretend
that
they're
her,
basically
because
there's
no
consumer
regulation
that
prohibits
that
in
tennessee
rip
off
her
logo
and
everything
else,
slap
those
same
disclosures
on
the
back,
but
absolutely
zero
testing
of
the
actual
product
has
happened.
N
D
Thank
you.
We
do
the
I'm
just
going
to
list
these
out
so
on.
Here
we
have
consumption
warnings
so
do
not
operate
heavy
machinery
or
which
would
include
driving.
So
that's
a
consumption
warning,
so
that's
giving
someone
a
heads
up
the
same
way.
We
have
these
on
beer,
wine
and
liquor
labels.
That's
giving
someone
the
heads
up
that
this
is
going
to
have
an
effect
on
you
there.
I
would
want
some
sort
of
dosing
requirements
on
there,
so
you
have
to
say
how
much
is
in
it
the
same
way.
D
D
So
it
looks
like
a
lot
of
education
because
this
plant
has
been
prohibited
for
so
long.
So
at
my
company
we
start
first
with
explaining
what
someone's
endocannabinoid
system
is.
So
that's
the
system
in
your
body
that
these
plant
compounds
interact
with
and
then
from
there
describing
all
of
the
different
cannabinoids
there's
over
a
hundred
of
them
and
how
they
could
have
a
different
effect
with
your
system.
N
D
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
happening
in
school,
because
I
I
really
believe
strongly
that
this
is
a
21
and
up
product,
but
who
should
be
doing
it?
I
mean
the
more.
We
can
talk
about
it
and
not
ban
it
and
not
prohibit
it.
It
gives
us
more
of
a
platform
to
educate
consumers.
I
think
the
industry
as
a
whole.
The
trade
associations
within
the
industry,
are
responsible
for
it.
Brands
within
the
industry
and
the
retailers
that
distribute
this
product
are
the
ones
responsible
and
currently
doing
the
education.
N
R
Hardaway,
yes,
we
do
in
fact,
right
now.
My
company
is
building
a
a
media
suite
so
that
we
can
turn
out
youtube
videos
regularly
to
educate
both
consumers
about
hemp
derived
cannabinoids,
but
also
educate
the
industry
and,
as
folks
are
interested
in
entering
the
industry,
perhaps
in
production,
educate
them
about
the
importance
of
lab
testing
how
to
read
a
lab
report.
So
I
think
the
answer
to
your
question
is
this
is
going
to
be
a
collaborative
effort
between
all
parts
of
the
supply
chain
in
the
industry.
R
Q
I'm
sorry,
no,
I
think
that's
well
said
I
think
the
tennessee
growers
coalition
that
works
really
hard
to
educate
our
members
and
educate
the
entire
industry.
I
think
it
can
be
done
through
media
platforms.
It
can
be
done
through
customer
and
custom
or
customer
and
retailer
interactions.
I
think
that's
one
key
area
that
when
people
are
selling
these
products
they
know
what's
in
their
products,
they
know
what
it
does
and
they
know
what
to
expect.
They
can
relay
that
message
to
a
consumer,
so
they
know
what
to
expect.
H
H
Over
the
last
several
days,
I've
spoken
with
a
number
of
constituents
about
the
delta
eight
in
particular,
and
have
been
educated
by
them
as
to
some
of
the
things
that
that
they've
brought
to
my
attention-
and
I
I
do
have
several
a
few
questions
but
I'll
try
my
best,
mr
chairman,
to
be
brief
with
this
from
what
I
understand,
the
natural
levels
of
thc
that
is
found
in
delta
8
is
very
low.
Would
that
be?
Would
I
be
correct
in
saying
that.
H
H
K
D
So,
with
the
lack
of
regulation
in
the
state,
there
is
no
way
for
a
consumer
to
walk
into
a
store
and
understand
what
type
of
product
they're
buying
outside
of
just
like
brand
loyalty
or
that
sales
person
that
that
store,
educating
them
without
testing
regulations
on
these
products.
Anything
in
the
manufacturing
process,
that's
residual
like
harmful
solvents
or
other
contaminants
can
make
someone
sick.
H
Q
Yeah,
so
it
could
be
slightly
different.
So
if
I
can
try
to
explain
the
process
real
quickly,
so
they're
gonna
test
the
department
of
agriculture
for
the
compliance
of
0.3
thc,
then
they
have
30
days
to
harvest
and
during
that
last
30
days,
the
the
plant
is
going
to
naturally
have
a
little
bit
more
thc,
but
that
little
bit
of
thc
extra.
Q
H
R
I'd
be
happy
to
tackle
that,
because
we
do
a
lot
of
compliance
testing
for
not
only
tennessee
but
many
states
throughout
throughout
the
country.
The
30-day
harvest
window
was
installed
by
the
usda
to
grant
some
variance
to
growers,
because
the
0.3
standard
is
rather
low,
and
so
it
created
a
a
little
bit
of
a
cushion
to
say.
Okay,
if
you,
it
takes
some
time
to
get
the
test
back,
to
send
it
off
and
get
it
back
once
you
have
it
back.
R
You
have
30
days
to
harvest
and
what
it
says
is
for
the
purposes
of
of
of
compliance,
we're
going
to
use
that
harvest.
We're
going
to
use
the
test,
we're
going
to
use
that
report,
understanding
that
cannabinoids
may
develop
for
some
time
in
the
next.
Some
in
the
next
30
days
that
development
is
relatively
marginal.
H
H
R
H
R
H
Chairman
duggan,
thank
you
well,
I've
had
several
tell
me
that
they've
experienced
different
things
by
taking
you
know
these
types
of
products.
Is
there
a
base
overall
average
of
what
that
level
of
thc
might
be
in
products
I
mean:
are
we
saying
that,
generally
they
run
between
.6
and
1.0?
Are
we
talking
they're
in
excess
of
1.0?
What's
the.
R
H
Thank
you
final
question.
Mister
you
recognized,
would
the
with
the
I
know-
and
I
appreciate
the
industry
is
coming
and
asking
for
regulations,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
things
that
are
packaged
are
done
properly
and
not
enticing
the
children
and
things
like
that.
Would
the
industry
be
open
to
setting
a
cap
or
a
limit
on
the
amount
that
that
could
be
sold
or
for
consumption.
D
Yes,
we're
certainly
open
to
that
conversation,
and
I
also
just
want
to
say
it's
when
you're,
because
you're
talking
about
percentages
to
be
more
accurate
to
consumer
goods,
it
would
be
milligrams
per
serving,
and
so
usually
when
people
are
having
those
results
from
when
they've
consumed
the
product.
It's
most
often
it
was
probably
a
lack
in
packaging
that
warned
them
and
that
had
a
milligram
per
dose
per
serving
stated
on
the
bag
that
allows
them
to
kind
of
have
a
moment
to
say.
D
R
I
will
say
that
for
the
hemp
industry
and
again
I'm
this-
this
is
a
very
general
statement,
but
risk
management
is
absolutely
a
primary
concern
for
the
hemp
industry.
The
risk
management
industry,
the
insurance
industry
is
rapidly
trying
to
catch
up
with
the
development
of
the
industry
and
offer
us
useful
instruments
that
would
help
us
manage
our
risk.
L
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
your
testimony
and
I
know
this
has
been
very
helpful.
The
leader
and
I've
been
kind
of
swapping
comments,
offline
and,
and
I
think
consumer
protections
testing
safety
standards
is
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here
again,
I
want
to
remind
the
committee
we're
not
talking
about
legalizing
or
decriminalizing
anything.
These
are
products
that
are
already
perfectly
legal.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
we
tell
consumers
what
they
are
and
make
sure
that
there
aren't
bad
actors
lying
to
them.
A
So
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
today
and
members.
That
concludes
our
presentation,
so
we
will
go
back
in
session.
We
are
back
in
session
and
members
as
a
reminder.
We
do
have
a
calendar
in
front
of
us,
and
so
that
brings
us
to
item
number
one
house
bill
2860
by
chairman
kumar
rolled
one
week.
A
Next.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
two
house
bill.
1214
by
chairman,
ramsey,
chairman
ramsey,
you've
been
waiting
patiently.
We
appreciate
you,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you're
recognized.
I
also
see
amendment
coded
one,
six,
five,
five.
Six.
Do
you
wish
to
move
forward
that
amendment?
Yes,
sir,
sir,
you
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
A
J
Mr
chairman
very
interesting
discussion
that
you've
had
here.
I
appreciate
it.
The
what
this
bill
does
is
amended
is
keeps
the
current
felony
penalty
for
criminal
exposure
to
hiv,
but
it
eliminates
the
requirement
that
an
offender
be
listed
on
the
violent
sexual
offender
registry
and
includes
a
process
where
those
previously
convicted
will
be
able
to
apply
for
removal
from
the
tbi
on
that
listing.
So
with
that
pending
questions,
sir,
I
will
ask
to
renew
that
motion.
Thank.
A
A
B
B
Today,
the
state
law
prohibits
only
a
short
barrel
rifle
and
a
shotgun
which
most
people
wouldn't
believe.
The
goal
in
the
intent
of
this
legislation
is
to
bring
some
consistent
consistencies
to
the
cold.
Currently,
a
person
can
own
a
pistol
that
has
a
barrel
shorter
than
16
inches
long
as
long
as
the
gun
has
the
right,
brace
or
buffer
tube
on
it.
A
F
A
J
A
A
A
A
Right,
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
I
believe
that
amendment
makes
the
bill.
So
without
objection
we
will
vote
to
put
that
on
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
one,
six,
five,
two
five
to
house
bill,
2708
2780,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt,
sir,
if
you
could
please
explain
your
bill
is
amended.
S
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee.
This
bill
makes
is
making
a
couple
of
changes
in
code
under
section
39,
15,
401,
subsection
h.
This
is
going
to
add
a
statement
to
that
that
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
it's
about
child
abuse
and
and
and
I
I
try
not
to
get
too
emotional
with
this
one-
but
currently
you
know
you're,
looking
at
the
child's
health
and
welfare
may
include,
but
it's
not
limited
to
the
natural
effects
of
starvation
and
or
dehydration
and
acts
of
female
genitalia
mutilation.
S
It
also
is
making
it
a
classy
felony
for
an
operating
for
operating
a
daycare
without
a
license
or
under
a
suspended
license
or
after
the
effective
date
of
the
denial
or
revocation
of
the
license
and
operating
within
10
years
of
a
previous
finding
by
the
department
that
a
person
or
entity
has
operated
a
child
care
agency
without
being
licensed
by
the
department
and
and
members.
Before
this,
the
situation
that
happened
in
hamilton
county,
a
lady
was
operating
a
facility
there
with
just
a
tremendous
number
of
children.
S
S
One
lady
has
told
me
her
her
her
child
still
rocks
when
they
place
him
in
his
car
seat,
because
he's
been
trying
to
get
out
of
that
car
seat
while
he
was
there
and
what
this
bill
does
and
the
and
the
sad
part
was
this.
This
lady
was
not
charged
with
anything.
The
d.a
couldn't
prosecute
her
because
there
was
no
sign
of
physical
abuse,
so
this
place
is
the
mental
aspect
and
into
the
welfare
of
the
child
as
well,
and
with
that
explanation,
mr
chairman
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
A
A
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
it
does
rewrite
the
bill
that
is
correct.
Okay,
so
with
that
objection,
let's
get
that
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
16525
to
house
bill
2780,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt.
If
you
could,
please
just
explain
your
bill.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
questions
been
called
without
objection:
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
sending
house
bill
2780
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify,
saying
aye
those
opposed
syria
to
calendar
and
rules
chairman.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
committee.
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
item
number
seven
house
bill
630
by
representative
gillespie
roll
to
the
heel.
A
A
F
A
Okay,
so
members
the
posture
in
we
have
the
amendment
before
us.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
thought
on
that.
I
do
have
someone
on
the
list
who
wants
to
testify
from
the
department
of
revenue.
So
since
we're
on
that
amendment,
which
makes
the
bill
that
objection
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
and
on
my
list
I
have
logan
hess
and
shelby
hurt
from
the
department
of
revenue.
T
Thank
you,
chairman
committee,
logan,
hess
legislative
director
for
the
department
of
revenue
last
week.
There
was
a
good
amount
of
discussion
on
this
bill
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
one
quick
thing
for
the
committee
members.
Originally,
the
bill
dealt
with
the
redesign
of
a
temporary
tag.
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
members
know
that
we
already
did
redesign
that
tag
this
past
november,
we
began
issuing
those
with
watermarks
and
some
other
security
features.
T
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
about
if
we
were
going
to
do
that,
I'm
going
to
redesign
those
tags,
but
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
the
record
that
we
have
already
done
that
and
that's
kind
of
what
led
us
to
the
posture
that
we're
in
now
and
with
that
I'll,
happily
take
any
questions.
I've
got
a.
G
We
heard
I
think
you
were
watching
last
week.
We
heard
a
presentation,
basically
that
tag
applied
for
was
something
that
people
use
apparently
in
other
states.
I
can't
find
anywhere
in
the
code
where
that's
a
valid
tag
in
tennessee.
It
might
be
an
excuse
that
an
officer
takes
it
easy
on.
You
maybe
gives
you
a
warning,
but
is
tag
applied
for
an
appropriate
temporary
tag
in
tennessee.
T
Sure
you
recognize,
sir
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I'm
not
entirely
sure.
I
know
that
when
you,
when
you
get
a
temporary
drive
out
tag
from
a
dealer,
they
can
print
off
the
new
tags
right
there
on
the
spot
and
give
that
to
you.
So
you
should
be
able
to
use
just
that
one
right
there,
but
no.
I
do
not
believe
that
tag
applied
for
is
a
valid
tag.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
couldn't
find
anywhere
in
the
code
where
it
said
hey.
If
you've
applied
for
a
tag,
then
you
don't
have
to
have
one.
It
seems
to
indicate
that
it's
either
a
temporary
tag
or
the
actual
tag.
I
just
couldn't
find
anything
in
there
and
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
maybe
something
I'd
miss
so.
T
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
hess,
for
being
here,
you've
been
working
on
this
with
sponsoring
with
transportation
as
well
for
quite
some
time
the
original
code.
I
believe
that
talks
about
the
legal
documents,
registration,
the
tags
themselves,
the
titling,
etc
in
that
code.
I
believe
it
mentions
the
word
plate.
T
P
J
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
mr
chess.
I've
noticed
lately
that
the
tags
look
like
I'm
just
a
printed
off
eight
and
an
eleven
and
a
half
piece
of
paper,
and
they
they
put
them
on
the
back
of
the
cars
and
they're
just
waving.
Look
like
they're
ready
to
fall
off
at
any.
Second.
Is
this
the
new
tags?
No.
T
Sir,
my
apologies
chairman.
Yes,
sir,
it
is
a
smaller
white
tag
that
will
have
the
tristar.
Excuse
me
the
state
seal
on
there
as
a
watermark.
I
don't
if
it's
looking
like
it's
about
to
fly
off
the
car.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
secured
further
than
that,
but
the
new
tags
should
be
on
there
pretty
easily.
B
A
T
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
going
back
to
what
my
colleague
just
brought
up
with
the
that
type
of
paper.
It
does
look
flimsy
when
you
go
down
the
road,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
it's
good,
thick
material.
I
just
recently
had
one
on
a
vehicle,
and
it
is
it's
surprising
what
it
is.
My
my
question
is:
we
went
back
and
forth
for
about
45
minutes
the
other
day
in
this
committee
about
the
language
on
this.
H
H
T
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
final
question
for
mr
hess.
So
you've
begun
the
the
redesign
and
it's
already
covered
in
code,
so
it
would
seem-
and
I'm
I'm
asking
for
your
opinion,
so
it
would
seem.
The
problem
is
not
that
we
need
a
new
tag,
but
that
we
need
more
enforcement.
Would
would
that
be
a
proper
analysis?
Mr.
T
House,
yes,
sir,
I
believe
so
the
my
the
new
tag
is:
it
is
new
this
past
november,
so
it's
only
a
couple
of
months
old,
so
I'm
still
just
newly
getting
out
there,
but
I
think
the
enforcement
is
more
the
issue.
My
initial
conversations
with
the
sponsor
was
just
to
let
him
know
that
hey
we
did
just
redesign
these
plates
so
yeah.
I
would
say
that
it's
more
of
enforcement
at
the
moment.
Thank
you,
mr.
N
T
Hess
well,
sir,
the
amendment
the
newest
amendment,
it
removes
the
part
of
the
original
bill
that
had
us
redesign
the
the
temporary
tag,
so
that
part
has
been
removed.
I
think
it's
originally
written
the
bill
also
made
it
a
class
c
misdemeanor.
This
is
this
amendment
now
makes
it
or
clarifies
that
it's
a
felony,
so
those
are
the
changes
that
I
was
referring
to
from
the
original
bill.
T
No
sir,
it's
actually
not
an
increase.
We
believe
that
it's
already
a
felony
to
tamper
with
any
plate
or
registration
or
document
from
the
department
or
the
government.
So
what
this
does
is
it
just
adds
a
temporary
tag
to
those
specifically
adds
temporary
tag
to
the
list
of
documents
that
being
falsified
would
be
a
felony.
T
Mr
hess,
yes,
sir,
I
mean
it.
We
definitely
agreed
that
there
was
some
there's
some
definite
argument
that
could
be
made
there
one
side
of
the
other
one
that
yes,
it
would
be
currently
a
felony
or
two
that,
since
it
doesn't
specifically
mention
that
it
could
be
so.
I
know
his
amendment
is
just
clarifying
that
and
adding
the
worst
temporary
tag
in
there.
A
J
I
think
I
mentioned
in
committee
last
time
that
I
have
a
letter
on
my
desk
from
a
constituent
who
is
now
a
felon,
because
he
took
a
magic
marker
and
marked
out
the
date
on
a
temporary
tag.
So
obviously,
law
enforcement
believes
that
it's
covered
under
current
toad
code.
Based
on
the
testimony
from
from
revenue,
I
would
make
a
motion
to
move.
That's
a
summer
study.
A
N
My
position
is
that
the
citizen
should
have
recognized
that
it
was
an
offense
and
I
think
that's
where
the
sponsor's
bill
was
going.
So
that's
why
I'm
suggesting
that
we
well
that's,
that's
my
explanation
on
why.
I
think
we
need
to
handle
this
field
and
and
in
lieu
of
summer
study,
but
I'm
I'm
curious
as
to
what
the
sponsor's
position
is.
Mr
chairman,.
A
Okay,
the
parliamentary
procedure
we
find
ourselves
in
is
we
have
a
proper
motion,
that's
been
properly
seconded
and
we
are
ready
to
vote
on
that
motion
to
summer
study
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2754
to
summer
study.
Please
signify,
saying
aye
that
was
opposed
yeah
as
habit
bill
had
the
summer
study.
L
L
A
L
A
A
Right
we
have
amendment
coded
one,
six,
six,
two
one.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
the
amendment
rewrites
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
code,
one
one,
six,
two
one
to
house
bill
2212,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
you
adopt.
Members
were
on
house
bill.
2212
was
amended.
You
recognized,
sir
thank.
L
You,
mr
chairman,
this
bill
seeks
to
clarify
what
essentially
some
judges
across
tennessee
are
already
doing
by
putting
in
writing.
This
is
simply
an
oversight.
That's
not
clear
need
to
find
the
statute.
This
bill
seeks
to
correct
this
problem
by
clarifying
that
judges
has
the
authority
to
allow
probation
officers
to
issue
a
criminal
summons
to
court
instead
of
a
warrant
for
a
new
arrest
for
violation,
probation.
H
L
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
could
the
judge
if
the
probation
officer
requests
a
summons?
Could
the
judge
still
say?
No,
I
want
an
arrest
warrant.
I
want
these
people
picked
up
on
this
violation
of
probation
charge,
even
though
they
were
just
arrested
on
a
different
charge
the
week
before,
which
brought
them
in
to
violation
chairman.
A
L
N
L
So
I
never
was
a
probation
officer,
but
as
a
law
enforcement
officer
and
I've
had
to
arrest
people
for
violation
of
probation.
So
I
particularly
can't
tell
you
how
a
judge
makes
that
decision
or
how
a
probation
officer
makes
the
decision
whether
to
seek
a
warrant
for
violation
of
probation.
But
there
is
clearly
no
definition
on
how
they
can
issue
a
summons
or
a
warrant.
And
this
corrects
that
representative
hardway.
N
A
Thank
you,
representative
hardaway,
seeing
no
further
questions,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2212
as
a
minute
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
calendar
and
rules.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
11
house
bill
2165
by
chairman
doggett,
chairman
doggett.
You
recognize
you
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
I
see
an
amendment
coded
16582.
Do
you
wish
to
move
forward
with
that
amendment?
Yes,.
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
the
bill,
has
amended
authorizes
department
of
correction
to
advance
or
reimburse
witness
expenses
necessary
to
the
prosecution
of
a
criminal
case
upon
request
by
district
attorney
general
and
approved
by
the
court.
It
also
requires
department
of
correction
to
maintain
advance
payment
as
a
receiver
as
a
receivable
against
the
final
cost
bill
attributed
to
the
case
in
which
the
witness
fees
were
advanced
or
reimbursed.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill
is
amended.
Questions
been
called
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2165
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
Next
on
my
list,
I
have
chairman
hawk.