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House - Criminal Justice Subcommittee - March 21, 2023
A
A
C
Chairman
and
for
those
that
may
not
know
her
General
Kim
helper
passed
away,
she's
the
District
Attorney
General
of
Williamson
County
Mr
chairman.
If
I
asked,
may
ask
just
for
a
moment
of
silence
both
for
the
Williamson
County
community
and
for
the
helper
family.
She
suffered
a
stroke
about
a
week
ago
and
has
since
passed
on
absolutely.
D
E
F
E
A
I
G
G
G
It
pained
us
all
to
watch
the
video
of
Tyree
Nichols
death
at
the
hands
of
Bad
actors
in
law
enforcement.
We
owe
it
to
the
parents
of
Tyree
Mr
and
Mrs
Wells
their
families,
friends,
but
also
to
the
citizens
of
the
state
of
Tennessee.
It
is
our
job
as
leaders
in
the
state
to
put
forth
policy
that
would
deter
such
actions
and
protect
them
when
I,
when
I
initially
started
this.
G
This
process
of
drafting
this
legislation,
I
was
looking
at
doing
something
about
qualified
immunity
with
with
some
of
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
I
sat
down
with
all
of
our
law
enforcement
organizations.
Tbi
shares
Association
police
associations
and
others,
and
we
came
up
with
legislation
that
we
could
all
agree
on
what
this
bill
does.
Is
it
treats
Bad
actors
in
law
enforcement's
the
enforcement,
the
same
way
that
it
would
treat
Bad
actors
in
in
the
public?
G
It
creates
an
enhancement
for
offenses
against
police
against
persons,
assaults,
robberies,
homicides,
kidnapping,
Foster,
imprisonment,
offenses
and
sexual
offenses,
while
that
officer
is
on
duty,
so
the
same
enhancements
that
a
regular
civilian
would
receive
if
they
did.
This
to
an
officer
is
the
same
enhancement
that
officers
will
receive
if
they
do
this
to
civilians
unlawfully
and
with
that
Mr,
chair
and
committee
renew
my
motion.
J
I
appreciate
what
you
try
to
do
all
the
time.
I
really
do
I've
been
against
enhancements
ever
since
the
very
beginning
in
fought
for
for
any
kind
of
enhancement.
Because
to
me
you
take
the
blindfold
off
the
lady
and
Justice
is
not
equal
and
so
I
have
to
apply
it
on
this
side
of
the
Ledger
as
well.
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
I'm
against
your
bill.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
and
chairman
Halsey,
there's
already,
an
enhancement
for
civilians
that
assault
officers
that
exist
and
all
we're
doing
is
for
those
Bad
actors
is
giving
them
applying
the
same
treatment
in
in
our
judicial
system
as
they
would.
You
know
to
regular
everyday
people
that
are
out
here
and
also-
and
let
me
say
this
story
I-
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
a
bill.
G
This
version
of
this
legislation
was
actually
given
to
me
by
our
law
enforcement
agencies,
and
so
when
we
sat
down
together,
this
is
what
they
said.
They
want
to
get
rid
of
the
Bad
actors.
Also,
let
me
let
me
be
clear
about
that
and
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
know
the
members
from
TBI
and
all
the
law
enforcement
agencies
for
actually
coming
up
with
this
language.
G
This
is
their
language,
and
and
so
they
they
brought
me
this
language,
and
it
was
something
that
we
could
agree
on
a
starting
place
to
ensure
that
that
you
know
we
deter
these
actions.
We
don't
we
don't
want
to
have
to
apply
an
enhancement
to
anyone,
but
we
want
to
deter
those
actions
that
may
have
happened
that
took
place
with
Tyree,
Nichols
and
others.
So
I
appreciate
your
comments,
though,
chairman
Jose.
A
A
A
A
K
K
A
Thank
you.
So
much
tell
you
what
let's
do
since
we're
on
the
amendment.
Let's
go
ahead.
You've
explained
the
amendment.
Let's,
let's
adopt
the
amendment,
then
we
can
go
out
of
session
to
hear
from
all
right
all
those
in
favor
of
amendment
code,
six
one
one
say
aye
as
opposed
eyes.
You
adopt
we're
now
in
House,
Bill
415
as
amended.
Without
objection
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session,
we
have
Lorraine
McGuire.
Is
that
correct?
A
A
L
You
for
having
me
my
name,
is
Lorraine
McGuire,
as
mentioned
I'm,
the
vice
president
of
community
relations
at
Sexual,
Assault
Center.
We
are
located
in
Metro
Center
and
have
been
a
staple
in
the
community
for
45
years
now
and
have
served
over
35
000
victims
and
their
families
that
have
dealt
with
the
issue
of
sexual
sexual
assault.
We
provide
wraparound,
Services,
Therapy,
Care
and
also
community-based
things
like
sart
teams,
help
get
those
off
the
ground
in
order
to
make
the
entire
city
and
county
available
to
help
identify
gaps
within
the
issue
of
sexual
assault.
L
So,
as
rep
Davis
mentioned,
the
purpose
of
it
is
not
to
add
new
positions,
but
to
identify
who,
in
a
city
or
a
county,
is
already
responding
to
the
issue
of
sexual
assault,
having
them
convened
together,
led
by
local
law
enforcement
in
order
to
identify
gaps.
So
the
sart
team
here
in
Davidson
county
in
Nashville,
has
existed
for
seven
years
and
we
have
several
success
stories.
But
the
largest
one
is
one
of
the
sart
teams
we
found.
L
No,
it
is
just
a
collaborative
effort
for
systems
change
and
identifying
gaps
that
they
would
so
say
that
somebody
did
respond.
A
local
police
responded
and
there
was
some
kind
of
breakdown
where
prosecution
prosecution
wasn't
able
to
happen.
Then
that's
something
that
in
the
sart
meeting
they
would
discuss
and
then
discuss
how
to
fix
that
problem.
L
So
one
of
the
issues
in
Cheatham
County
was
the
the
police
officers
were
carrying
the
rape
kits
in
their
trunk,
and
the
hospital
had
to
call
when
they
got
a
rape
victim
in
they
had
to
call
the
police
with
the
rape
kits
in
the
trunk
in
order
to
get
them
taken
to
the
hospital.
But
if
it
was
overnight
or
the
police
officers
were
not
available,
they
were
on
another
call.
L
There
was
a
very
big
gap
of
time,
so
in
the
start
meeting
it
was
identified
that
we
need
to
have
the
police
officers,
take
the
rape
kits
to
the
hospital,
so
they're
available
they're
available
to
be
used
at
any
time.
So
it's
really
just
a
systems,
change
and
improve
it
and
collaborative
effort
for
everybody
working
in
that
Arena.
L
So
I
don't
believe
that
we
have
our
victim
Advocates
will
accompany
victims
with
testimony
or
it's
court
or
if
they
have
additional
meetings
that
need
to
happen
with
law
enforcement
later.
But
what
we
are
seeing
is
that
law
enforcement
actually
has
a
more
trauma-informed
response,
which
is
allowing
for
more
evidence
to
come
forth.
Because
shame
is
a
big
thing,
and
so,
if
they
feel
shamed
by
somebody
who's
talking
to
them,
then
they
shut
down
and
withhold
information
that
could
be
completely
needed
in
order
to
pursue
prosecution.
L
And
so
our
our
experts
work
with
law
enforcement
on
how
to
even
on
their
own
respond
in
a
more
trauma-informed
way
and
actually
was
on
NPR
last
week
with
a
victim
who
said
the
way
that
the
detective
interacted
with
her
changed
everything
about
how,
because
she
had
such
a
positive
experience
of
him.
Knowing
what
to
say
the
police
officers
knowing
where
to
take
her
to
get
the
exam
done
and
so
them
being
trained
by
victim
advocates
in
the
area
makes
a
significant
difference.
F
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
as
well.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Some
of
what
you
shared
just
a
moment
ago
has
released
the
prosecution.
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
this,
or
even
the
audience
knows
this,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
do
in
Tennessee
today,
because
of
Shame
and
other
things.
I
was
able
to
pass
the
Bill
some
years
ago
that
there's
no
statue
of
limitation
on
rape
today
in
Tennessee.
F
If
it's
reported
within
three
years,
okay,
and
because
the
new
technology
and
things
that
happen
in
the
future,
you
can
discover
who
this
person
was.
They
can
be
persecuted
40
years
into
the
future.
Okay
and
it's
something
that
I
don't
know
if
you're.
If
your
organization
deals
with,
but
women
need
to
know
this
information
and
young
guys
or
guys
as
well,
need
to
know
that
if
it's
reported
within
a
three-year
window,
there's
no
statute
of
limitation,
you
still
can
prosecute
the
guy.
Absolutely.
F
J
J
L
There
was
only
23
in
the
state
of
Tennessee
that
were
active
and
we
know
that
there's
96
counties
and
so,
while
I'm
sure
that
there
are
departments
that
are
actively
pursuing
this
type
of
collaboration
and
it
does
go
beyond
the
training,
because
the
collaboration
again
between
so
another
example
would
be
a
sexual
assault,
Center
doing
the
rape
kits
in
the
hospital
coming
and
then
the
police,
alcohol
and
drug
related,
because
we're
in
Nashville
people
like
to
party
and
drinking
drinks
being
drugged.
That
was
another
thing
that
came
up
in
one
of
the
start
meetings.
L
So
it's
it's
not
necessarily
just
the
training
for
the
officers,
though,
that
is
a
very
important
part.
It's
saying
well
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
this.
Are
you
seeing
that?
Absolutely
okay?
Are
you
seeing
that
and
then
a
new
program
called
safe
bar,
which
is
now
a
bystander
intervention
in
this
in
Nashville
and
across
the
state,
is
something
that
we
do
where
we
provide
training
for
bars
and
drug
detection,
coasters
and
Fentanyl
testing
strips
because
there
was
needs
that
were
coming
out
of
these
meetings.
L
As
everyone
was
talking
and
saying,
okay,
we
are
seeing
this
issue
too.
Are
you
seeing
that
that
in
the
hospitals,
are
you
seeing
that
in
police
reports,
and
are
you
seeing
that
as
victim
Advocates,
even
college
campuses
are
a
great
entity
to
be
part
of
these,
because
what
are
they
seeing
on
college
campuses
and
if
they
see
a
spike
in
fentanyl
or
in
GHB
druggings,
then
we
can
make
a
collaborative
effort
as
a
city
or
a
county
in
order
to
address
that
issue.
M
M
And
that's
certainly,
as
I
said,
opening
poetry
for
this
and
I
see
the
need
to
have
some
uniformity
in
a
Statewide
standard,
so
to
speak
so
that
every
County
can
know
what
the
best
practices
are
and
I
would
really
urge
if
you
can
to
put
that
reporting
requirement
back
in
we'll
put
the
reporting
requirement
in
so
that
state
agencies
or
the
State
Legislative
oversight
committees
could
assist
in
making
sure
that
best
practices
are
put
into
a
clearing
house
and
made
available.
So
thank
you
again
for
your
work.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
N
N
This
is
the
property
of
the
school
system.
What
do
I
do
with
this?
This
is
school
property.
All
of
that,
so
this
would
amend
the
law
to
inform
such
Distributors
and
there's
not
that
many
of
them
that
to
knowingly
distribute,
sell
an
obscene
matter.
A
book
of
obscene
material
to
a
school
grades.
Kindergarten
through
12th
grade
would
be
prohibited.
It
would
give
a
little
bit
more
strength
to
our
really
our
state
attorney
general.
N
A
Well,
thank
you
any
questions
for
the
member
on
the
amendment
representative,
Johnson,
not
only
amendment
okay,
all
right
without
objection,
we're
going
to
vote
to
add
amendment
code
5934
on
the
house
bill
841,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
opposed
you
adopt.
We
are
on
House
Bill
841
as
amended.
We
do
have
testimony
on
the
list.
So
without
objection
we'll
go
out
of
session
to
hear
from
Stephen
Puckett
Mr
Puckett.
You
are
very
familiar
with
the
protocols
here.
A
O
Right,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
Stephen
Puckett
I'm,
a
resident
of
Hendersonville,
Tennessee
and
I
actually
want
to
start
out
by
thanking
the
sponsor
for
amending
this,
to
make
it
so
that
it's
informing
Distributors,
as
opposed
to
Simply,
pulling
the
educational
exemption
out
of
our
code
because
it,
you
know,
I,
understand
the
issue
that
the
sponsor
is
trying
to
deal
with.
As
far
as
this
goes,
the
thing
is,
I
do
have
a
continued
concern
of
how.
How
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
that
distributor?
O
If
we're
going
to
be
applying
this,
is
you
know?
How
are
we
defining
obscene
in
that
aspect
to
make
sure
that
that
distributor
is
not
unwittingly
being
pulled
into
some
sort
of
entrapment
issue
where
they
send
a
book
without
realizing
that
it's
been
declared
obscene
or
anything
guys?
So
that's
the
concern
that
I
have,
and
hopefully
the
sponsor
will
be
able
to
clear
that
up.
Thank
you.
O
That,
as
far
as
far
as
this,
in
this
case,
it
seems
that
it's
informing
them
and-
and
if
there
is
a
if
the
schools
have
seen,
have
made
it
clear
that
they're
providing
a
that
they're
providing
obscene
material,
then
that
would
be
you
know,
knowledgeable
distribution
of
something
that
is
not
been
declared
appropriate.
But
if
that's
where
that
needs
to
be
clarified.
As
far
as
the
the
what
is
obscene.
A
N
So
the
amendment
goes
into
902
of
the
obscenity
law
and
what
it
says
is
that
it
is
unlawful
for
a
book,
publisher,
distributor,
seller
to
knowingly,
sell
or
distribute
obscene
matter
to
a
public
school
serving
any
of
the
grades,
kindergarten
through
12
and
that's
that's
K
through
child
in
Tennessee
and
then
Additionally.
The
penalty
is
the
same
penalty
that
is
already
in
the
law.
It's
just
referencing
that
penalty.
That's
already
there
for
doing
this.
Otherwise,
and.
N
P
N
Yes,
I
have
seen
this
happen.
I
am
aware
of
it,
and
this
is
how
it
was
explained
to
me
how
this
happens.
I
said
they
simply
send
these
books
in
a
package
of
books
that
aren't
ordered
for
the
school
library.
I
know.
In
my
district
we
have
a
lot
of
newer
schools
empty
libraries,
so
they
simply
order
a
gross
of
books
and
they
come
in
and
so
I
think
this
will
help
our
schools
and
our
libraries
and
I
have
seen
it
happen.
I
have
seen
the
books
and
yeah
I
agree
with
you.
N
This
is
only
happening
recently.
I
believe
I've
never
seen
books
like
this
in
school
before
it's
really
surprising
and
it
really
comes
down
to
a
trust
issue
with
the
parents.
You
know
the
parents
want
to
trust
that
everything
that's
in
the
school
library
is
wholesome
and
beneficial
to
the
the
education
of
their
children
and
there's
there's
just
some
things
that
have
been
very
shocking.
N
P
I
understand
that
you
know
certain
people
view
things
differently,
and
so
my
concern
is
that,
just
because
a
few
people
have
an
issue
with
a
book
that
doesn't
give
them
the
right
to
remove
it
from
every
family
that
wants
may
want
their
child
to
read
that
book.
I
respect
the
right
of
every
single
parent
to
determine
what
their
child
reads.
J
Thank
you.
We
went
through
some
of
this
in
a
different
vein
last
year,
I
believe
and
and
along
the
same
lines
of
the
comments
right
before
me.
I
took
just
eight
excerpts
up
to
a
local
newspaper
and
laid
them
on
a
desk
at
the
publisher
and
I
said.
Can
you
there's
a
lot
of
concern
and
a
lot
of
talk
about
obscenity
in
in
some
books
in
school
libraries?
J
Can
you
read
these
portions
right
here
that
came
from
eight
different
books
in
school
libraries
and
he
scanned
over
them
and
and
I
said
now?
Will
you
publish
them
please
in
your
Sunday
edition
and
get
some
feedback
from
from
the
public
on
on
this
issue,
and
he
said
well,
we
we
can't
print
this
in
the
paper.
This
is
a
family
paper.
We
can't
do
that.
So
there
was
other
concern
to
somebody
mentioned
to
me.
What
about
biology
class
and
those
kinds
of
things
would
that
would
that
run
against
or
contrary
to
your
bill?
N
J
F
F
In
order
to
fix
the
problem
is
what
we're
trying
to
do?
I
would
imagine
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
the
best
way
of
fixing
it
now
I'm
running
a
library,
I'm,
the
head
of
the
library
or
I
am
a
teacher
in
that
Library
and
I'm
managing
that
facility.
My
job
is
to
ensure
that
whatever
the
standards
are
are
followed.
F
N
F
I
was
of
the
impression
that
we
were
enhancing
the
penalty
and
I,
don't
see
that,
as
you
know,
being
a
enough
to
stop
it,
if
people
were
maliciously
sneaking
this
kind
of
material
in
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
there
among
our
kids,
there's
no
question
about
it,
but
I
thought
we
were
jacking
up
to
a
penalty.
I'd
rather
see
the
person
fired
fire
that
person
and
find
them,
and
if
people
know
they're
going
to
be
terminated
with
the
employment.
Hopefully
that
will
eradicate
that
kind
of
you
know,
representative.
Q
Michelle
Fogarty
Legal
Services,
currently
under
39
17
902a.
It
is
unlawful
to
knowingly
produce,
send
our
cause
to
be
sent
or
bring
or
cause
to
be
brought
into
this
state
for
sale,
distribution
exhibition
or
display
any
matter
found
legally
obscene
that
violates
the
court.
The
requirements
of
18
USC
2257,
a
violation
of
that
subsection
is
a
class
A
misdemeanor
and
shall
be
fined
an
amount
not
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars
or
more
than
fifty
thousand.
A
second
or
subsequent
violation
of
that
subsection
is
a
Class
E
felony.
F
A
H
N
N
Let
them
know
about
our
obscenity
law
and
the
expectations
and
the
obscenity
law
and
ask
them.
Take
these
books
back,
give
our
school
systems
credit.
Let
them
pick
out
different
books
and
if
they
don't
want
to
do
that.
Certainly,
the
attorney
general
has
the
power
to
take
that
further,
and
it
just
feels
like
this
would
clear
up
a
problem
that
our
Librarians
have
been
dealing
with
when
these
books
arrive.
They
are
the
property
of
the
school
system.
N
N
N
We've
we've
seen
a
lot
of
us
have
seen
the
obscene
books,
as
a
representative
policy
stated
seeing
the
obscene
books
that
have
been
in
our
libraries
and
it's
pretty
shocking.
I
know
in
my
school
system,
they're
kind
of
voting
on
them
one
at
a
time.
It's
taking
a
really
long
time
to
review
all
of
these
books
and
hopefully
remove
them
from
the
school
and.
L
N
H
N
H
A
R
Is
it
corrects
a
definition
in
TCA,
39,
13529,
better
put
my
glasses
on
make
sure
that's
correct
and
it's
the
definition
for
sexual
activity
and
what
this
bill
will
do
is
it
will
go
into
the
TCA
and
make
sure
that
lascivious
is
taken
out
to
match
the
current
TCA
that
we
have
39,
13,
29
and
I
can
read
you
the
exact
change?
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
have
a
copy
of
this,
but
this
is
3913
529
in
section
four
it
is
listed.
A
A
S
So,
thank
you,
chairman
and
committee.
This
is
my
Advocate
confidentiality
bill
that
I've
brought
before
this
committee
three
times
in
the
past,
I've
worked
with
stakeholders
to
I,
hope
and
prove
it
and
short
and
sweet.
This
bill
would
prohibit
Advocates
from
being
examined
by
in
any
judicial,
legislative
or
administrative
proceeding
regarding
any
communication
between
the
advocate
and
victim
unless
disclosures
were
required
by
law
or
otherwise
authorized
in
this
section,
the
Privileges
belong
to
the
victim
and
may
only
be
waived
by
the
victim.
In
writing.
S
A
Well,
thank
you.
We're
still
on
the
amendment
Let's
any
questions
on
the
amendment
saying
none.
Unless
we're
going
to
be
voting
now
on
Amendment
code,
5093
to
add
on
the
house
bill
686,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
as
opposed
eyes.
Prevail
you
adopt
we're
on
686
as
amended.
We
will
go
out
of
session
to
hear
from
our
guests
Jessica
Barfield.
T
Operations
at
the
sexual
assault
Center
here
in
Nashville
and
I,
am
speaking
today.
We
provide
services
to
the
community
since
1978
you
heard
from
a
peer
of
mine
about
what
we
do.
Our
mission
is
to
provide
healing
for
children,
adults
and
families
affected
by
sexual
assault
and
to
end
sexual
violence,
and
we
do
this
through
therapy
24,
7,
Statewide
crisis
line
and
advocacy
services,
our
safe
clinic
for
rape,
exams,
prevention,
training
and
Community
engagement
on
average
six
victims
a
week
presented
our
Clinic
who
need
a
forensic
exam,
otherwise
known
as
a
rape
kit.
T
All
individuals
who
come
into
the
sexual
assault
Center
are
offered
an
advocate
who
can
assist
the
victim
through
support
referrals
and
navigating
the
criminal
justice
system.
House
Bill
686
is
the
result
of
one
of
our
Advocates
being
threatened
by
a
civil
attorney.
The
Advocate
was
in
court
supporting
a
victim
when
the
opposing
attorney
threatened
to
force
her
to
divulge
her
conversations
with
the
victim,
because
there
was
no
privilege
to
protect
those
Communications.
That's
when
Sac
partnered
with
awake
to
look
into
this
law.
T
Tennessee
is
the
minority
when
it
comes
to
protecting
the
confidentiality
between
a
victim
and
an
advocate,
there's
37
States
already
that
have
similar
protections
that
you're
being
asked
to
appear
today.
Many
victims
come
to
us
to
for
support
either
because
they
lack
the
support
or
wish
to
keep
the
trauma
from
affecting
their
loved
ones
or
do
not
know
what
to
do.
Next.
Advocates
are
trained
to
how
to
work
with
victims
in
crisis
and
help
them
through
their
trauma.
T
This
includes
being
with
them
through
a
sexual
assault
exam
after
the
immediately
after
the
assault
and
when
the
forensic
exam
is
performed,
and
these
are
often
times
of
Crisis
and
vulnerability.
Confidentiality
is
extremely
important,
especially
during
this
time.
A
victim
should
not
have
to
worry
about
monitoring
what
their
say
to
an
advocate.
Nor
an
advocate
worry
about
what
the
victim
is
saying
and
how
that
could
possibly
used
against
them.
Sexual
assault
supports
this
bill
and
we
ask
that
you
do
suit
too.
Thank
you.
A
J
Halsey,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
folks
who
advocated
for
your
bill
did
a
job
really
well
I
want
you
to
know
who
you
picked
out
really
worked
hard
at
it.
Good
I
just
want
to
make
sure
one
thing
and
I
understand
the
the
issue
and
I
think
and
there's
a
benefit
to
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
do
understand,
and
just
for
the
record
that
a
judge
could
get
that
information
if,
if
he
had
to
right,
correct
okay.
A
S
There
was
a
huge
fiscal
note
on
that:
I've
been
working
with
different
stakeholders
to
get
a
backup
bill
that
would
require
the
TBI
by
January
2025,
to
present
back
to
this
this
body,
the
amount
of
resources
they
would
need
to
make
that
happen
if,
for
whatever
reason,
the
the
other
Bill
does
not
get
funded
in
this
year's
budget
and
I
think
it
could
be
very
important
for
us
to
have
a
real,
solid
idea
of
what
this
is
actually
going
to
cost
us.
So
we
can
fund
this
appropriately.
A
A
I
U
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
in
committee.
This
law
is
essentially
a
correction
to
what
what
we've
we
passed
a
bill
last
year
has
to
build
into
law.
That
allows,
if
a
let's
say,
there's
a
DUI
offender.
They
are
in
a
car
wreck
and
perhaps
a
parent
of
a
child
is
killed,
then
that
those
children
can
receive
child
support,
essentially
through
restitution.
One
thing
that
that
bill
did
not
I
I
guess.
U
This
allows
the
family
if
they
choose
to
convert
that
to
a
civil
judgment
and,
like
I,
said
that
that
would
be
they
would
have
to
do
that
on
their
own
accord,
hire
an
attorney,
but
then
that
way,
if
that
offender
actually
has
if
they
do
have
assets
that
that
the
family
could
could
go
after
they
could
do
that
civilly
as
opposed
to
criminal
restitution.
So
it's
it's
adding
to
a
very
good
bill
that
was
passed
last
year,
but
just
adding
an
element
that
was
not.
A
G
G
Delancey,
a
Nashville
businesswoman
enjoyed
watching
ancestry
shows
such
as
finding
your
roots
and
who
do
you
think
you
are
with
her
husband
and
step
children
as
a
family.
They
took
home
DNA
tests
hoping
to
learn
more
about
their
family
history,
but
the
test
ultimately
revealed
that
her
husband's
eldest
child
was
not
biologically
related
to
him.
The
deception
was
a
dagger
to
the
entire
family
unit,
as
her
husband
Scott
had
been
a
loving
provider
for
to
the
child
for
over
12
years.
G
Their
subsequent
paternity
fraud
case
resulted
in
complete
relief
from
future
child
support,
but
it
also
meant
the
loss
of
a
child.
She
was
a
sister,
niece
and
cousin
the
emotional
loss,
combined
with
the
financial
ramifications,
extremely
extremely
stressful
to
her
and
her
family
plus
there
was
the
constant
knowledge
that
they
were
deceived
for
over
a
decade,
Mr,
chair
and
committee.
What
this
bill
does
the
problem.
Paternity
fraud
is
a
real
issue
nationally.
This
issue
affects
parents
and
children
alike.
G
G
G
This
bill
creates
a
Class,
B
misdemeanor
for
anyone
who
intentionally
and
knowingly
seeks
to
establish
someone
as
the
biological
parent
of
a
child
when
they
knew
or
reasonably
knew
that
the
person
is
not
the
biological
parent
of
the
child.
It
creates
a
Class
B
misdemeanor
for
persons
who
tries
to
be
established
as
a
biological
parent,
but
reasonably
knows
or
should
know
that
they
are
not
the
child's
biological
parent
and
with
that
Mr
chair,
I'm,
open
for
any
questions.
C
G
F
Unfortunately,
or
fortunately,
I
have
to
agree
with
the
chairman,
I
think
it
ought
to
be
a
class.
Eight
missed
a
minute.
That's
a
little
light.
That's
like
like
a
slap
on
the
wrist.
If
you
knowingly
I've
done
something
of
this
nature.
Okay,
so
I,
don't
know
you
you
it's
your
bill
you're
running
along
the
way
it
may
maybe
to
get
a
different
categorization
penalty
on
it,
because
I
think
it's
too
light
I
do
just
for
the
record.
G
I
think
we
need
to
start
somewhere
and
and
if
we,
if
this
is
not
serving
as
a
proper
deterrent,
then
you
know
next
year
we
can
come
back
and
edit
at
a
Class
A
misdemeanor
to
it
to
make
it
a
little
stronger
but
I'm
open
to
at
the
will
of
the
chair
and
the
committee.
If
you
want
to
amend
it
to
a
class
A
I'm
open
to
it,.
A
F
G
F
A
F
A
W
A
A
A
X
You,
chairman
and
committee,
and
this
bill
I'm
at
the
will
of
the
committee
I
little
Lambert,
just
asked
me
if
I,
if
I've
worked
the
committee
on
this,
the
answer
is
no:
if
everybody
quit
filing
for
me,
education
bills,
I
may
do
a
little
bit.
I
can't
get
them
off
as
long
enough,
but
I'm
carrying
this
bill
on
behalf
of
a
community
group
called
Memphis
Interfaith
Coalition
for
action
of
Hope,
and
it
deals
with
expungement
and
it
doesn't
deal
with
anything-
that's
not
already
expungeable.
X
X
The
reason
it
kind
of
made
sense
to
me
is:
is
it
gets
people
back
in
the
workforce
and
plus
your
time
of
expungement
doesn't
start
to
you
paid
all
your
restitution,
your
fines,
your
fees
and
everything
and
moved
on,
and
so
it
kind
of
gets
a
person
to
moving
forward
on
that.
So
it
gets
them
back
in
the
workforce
and
gets
that
off
the
Record,
and
so
that's
basically
all
this
does
these.
These
crimes
are
already
expungeable.
A
M
A
A
V
This
year
the
American
Society
of
regional
anesthesia
put
forth
some
guidelines
on
asking
about
marijuana
or
cannabis
use
prior
to
surgery.
Some
of
the
issues
that
they're
having
potentially
is
with
post-operative
pain
treatment,
and
so,
while
discussions
with
their
providers,
May
generally
generally
be
be
covered
under
HIPAA.
It's
this
particular
issue
is
not
explicitly
covered
under
HIPAA,
and
so
it's
basically
a
way
for
help.
Our
providers
help
our
patients
have
more
knowledge
about
that,
and
so,
with
that,
I'd
ask
for
your
support
right.
Ask
answer
any
questions.
V
A
A
A
A
Y
Right,
thank
you.
Chairman
committee,
House
Bill
1431
increases
the
pay
schedule
for
assistant,
District,
Attorneys,
General
and
criminal
investigators,
as
well
as
the
assistant
District
public
defenders
and
the
district
investigators
in
that
department,
as
well
and
I'll
Stand
ready
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
we
do
have
testimony,
so
we
are
going
to
go
out
of
session
to
hear
from
General
Crump
General
I
know
that
there's
some
things
that
we
have
Heavy
Hearts
today,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
address
that
and
then
once
we're
through.
Let
me
know
we'll
start
your
three
minutes
for
your
testimony.
Z
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chairman
and
committee
I
I
frequently
appear
in
front
of
this
committee
with
testimony
about
a
particular
issue
or
to
bring
news
to
you
of
some
development
in
criminal
law.
But,
as
leader
lambreth
has
already
said,
our
our
hearts
and
our
conference
are
broken.
This
morning,
General
helper
was
more
than
a
colleague.
Z
In
a
world
where
there
is
a
Poverty
of
esteem
that
is
held
by
lawyers
in
general,
it
is
remarkable
for
someone
like
Kim
helper
to
give
herself
to
public
service.
She
was
brilliant,
but
more
than
that,
she
was
an
extraordinarily
good
woman.
She
was
honest.
She
was
fair
and
she
she
imparted
that
and
poured
herself
into
every
assistant,
but
she
did
more
than
that.
She
took
the
time
to
pour
into
US
her
fellow
DA's,
and
so
when
we
miss
her,
we
will
be
missing
a
lot
more
than
just
a
person
or
a
colleague.
Z
A
Thank
you,
I
believe
you
hit
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
She
was
a
very
fine
woman
and
I'm
glad
I
had
the
pleasure
to
know
her
as
as
long
as
I
have
just
for
the
short
time.
She
was
a
lot
of
fun
to
be
around
and
a
great
asset
to
us
all
you're
here
to
make
comments
on
this
legislation.
So
I'll
give
you
three
minutes,
and
you
know
the
drill.
Yes,.
Z
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
committee
I
I.
Hopefully,
won't
need
three
minutes
on
this,
because
I
spoke
to
you
at
lent
about
this
during
our
budget.
Proceeding
this
this
bill
is
about
being
able
to
retain
and
hire
the
best
lawyers
that
Tennessee
can
the
lawyers
that
we
talk
about
here
are
absolutely
in
the
trenches
and
on
the
front
lines
of
Criminal
Justice.
Z
Every
day,
every
prosecutor,
every
public
defender,
every
elected
D.A,
sees
the
need
to
have
the
very
best
people,
because
in
our
business
we
can't
afford
to
make
mistakes
while
we're
human
and
mistakes
are
always
made
the
more
mistakes
that
are
made
there
are
human
consequences
too,
and
so
on
both
sides
of
this
bill.
We
believe
that
we
should
be
paid
our
folks
rather
should
be
paid
in
a
an
11
at
a
level
that's
commensurate
with
their
responsibilities.
Z
Z
Z
W
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
I
know,
I
know
it's
a
difficult
day
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
and
I
just
want
to
ask
back
in
Memphis
or
Shelby
County,
there's
a
pay
disparity
between
the
county,
employees
of
the
D.A
office
or
PD's
office
and
the
state
employees
an
example
would
be.
You
could
have
two
Adas
that
are
hired
yesterday.
W
Z
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
question.
No,
it
would
not
address
that
those
funds
are
decided
upon
by
the
local
authorities,
those
the
the
pay
scale
for
an
assistant
D.A
in
Shelby
County,
a
County
prosecutor
starts
out
at
a
higher
amount,
and
so
they
would
actually
make
more
than
a
state
assistant.
Would,
however,
they
they
top
out
much
lower
than
a
state
assistant.
Z
That,
obviously,
is,
is
a
concern
for
the
conference,
but
we
lack
any
real
ability
to
to
deal
with
that.
Our
our
positions
are
the
only
ones
that
we
can
fund
through
a
state
budget,
and
so
this
would
only
address
what
we
believe
is
the
the
appropriate
pay
for
an
assistant
D.A,
and
certainly
we
would
encourage
any
of
the
municipalities
that
that
create
assistant,
D.A
positions
and
fund
them
to
fund
them
equal
to
a
state
prosecutor.
W
P
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
I,
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
what
you
do
with
the
public
defenders
as
well,
and
I
certainly
believe
that
you
all
deserve
this,
raise
it
absolutely
should
happen
and
and
I
am
concerned.
I
know
we
have
serious
issues
at
DCS,
but
I
am
concerned
with
those
highly
increased
salaries.
I
mean
I'm,
already
hearing
that
they're
losing
lawyers
to
to
DCS,
and
so
what
I
think
is
that
that
we
need
to
raise
everybody's
salary
and
just
to
raise
one
to
to
keep
them
there.
H
A
A
Questions
been
called
any
objections,
seeing
none
voting
to
send
House
Bill
1431
as
amended
to
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye,
aye,
I,
suppose
eyes,
Prevail,
you
move
forward.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
committee.
Thank
you
item
number
14,
House
Bill
1
000
by
representative
Rudd.
You
are
recognized
on
the
bill.
There
is
an
amendment
code,
5120.
A
AB
This
makes
the
bill,
and
this
is
something
that
I
have
advocated
for
a
long
time,
both
in
my
Committee
of
campaigns
and
elections
and
in
general
that
if
you
have
committed
a
non-violent
crime
with
no
monetary
theft,
expungement
should
be
considered
down
the
road
so
that
you
can
get
your
voting
rights
and
gun
rights
back.
We've
already
expunged,
41
convictions
of
felonies
and
misdemeanors
and
I'm
asking
that
this
be
included.
However,
I
wanted
to
set
a
standard
since
I,
uphold
and
protect
election
laws
and
take
them
very
seriously.
AB
I
wanted
this
to
be
the
strongest
expungement
in
State
history,
or
at
least
one
of
the
strongest,
and
this
is
if
you
have
committed
voter
fraud
and
for
15
years
after
your
probation
is
over
and
you
paid
all
court
costs
and
you've
stayed
clean
and
not
been
convicted
of
a
crime.
You
can
have
your
voting
rights
back
and
your
gun
rights
back,
and
that
is
the
the
bill.
It
is
a
very
strict
expungement.
F
AB
AB
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
the
amendment.
Seeing
none
voting
to
add
amendment
code
5120
on
the
house
bill
1000,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
those
opposed
eyes.
Prevail
you
adopt
her
on
House
Bill
1000
as
amended.
Any
questions
comments
for
the
sponsors
question
on
the
bill.
Questions
have
been
called
any
objections,
so
you
know
we're
voting
to
send
House
Bill
1002
full
criminal
as
amended.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
as
opposed
eyes.
C
E
You
Mr
chairman:
the
amendment
makes
the
bill.
This
legislation
accomplishes
two
things.
First,
the
bill
adds
a
definition
to
clarify
what
school
property
is
in
39,
13,
114
and
second,
this
bill
adds
student
to
the
communicating
and
school
threat
part
of
the
code.
Currently
it
only
has
employee
listed
as
one
that
can
be
charged
for
such
a
threat,
we're
simply
giving
law
enforcement
another
tool
in
their
toolbox
to
help
prevent
and
deter
threats
and
crimes
towards
schools.