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House - Criminal Justice Subcommittee - March 14, 2023
B
C
I
have
two
members
of
our
West
Tennessee
drug
task
force
in
the
audience
you
can
stand
or
wave
but
proud
of
the
work
you
do
and
thanks
for
all
for
you
and
glad
to
have
you
here.
D
A
A
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm
here
today
to
present
House
Bill
1029
on
behalf
of
speaker
Sexton,
and
thank
you
for
putting
the
amendment
on
this
legislation
came
after
recommendations
from
the
from
the
ad
hoc
committee
on
Juvenile
Justice
last
summer.
Some
crimes
committed
by
juveniles
are
so
heinous
that
they
should
be
treated
the
same
as
adult
crimes.
The
purpose
of
this
legislation
is
to
hold
violent
juveniles
accountable
for
their
actions
to
promote
Public
Safety.
E
If
the
juvenile
was
16
years
of
age
more
or
more,
at
the
time
of
the
alleged
conduct
and
charged
with
robbery
or
attempt
to
commit
robbery
or
any
offense
that
is
committed
with
a
deadly
weapon.
If
the
juvenile
was
17
years
of
age
at
the
time
of
the
alleged
conduct,
the
adult
Criminal
Court
will
make
the
decision
whether
or
not
the
juvenile
is
to
be
tried
as
an
adult
or
if
they
should
be
transferred
to
juvenile
court,
not
a
juvenile
judge.
As
the
is
the
current
law,
the
shout.
E
If
the
criminal
court
finds
probable
cause
to
believe
the
child
committed,
the
delinquent
act
as
alleged
the
child
is
not
committed
to
any
Institution
for
developmental
disabled
disabilities
or
mental
disabilities.
The
interest
of
the
community
requires
that
the
child
be
put
under
legal
restraint
or
discipline.
E
The
judge
should
also
consider,
among
other
things,
whether
the
offense
was
against
a
person
or
property,
with
a
greater
weight
in
favor
of
a
disposition
as
if
the
child
were
an
adult.
If
the
offense
were
against
a
person
whether
the
offense
was
committed
in
an
aggressive
and
premeditated
manner.
Whether
child's
conduct
would
be
a
criminal
gang
defense,
if
committed
by
an
adult,
and
whether
the
child's
history
demonstrates
that
the
child
is
or
has
been,
a
victim
of
human
trafficking.
E
The
district
attorney
general
shall
not
seek,
nor
shall
any
child
tried
in
any
adult.
Criminal
Court
receive
a
mandatory
sentence
of
death
or
imprisonment
for
the
life
without
possibility
of
parole,
so
some
crimes
are
committed
by
juveniles
are
too
heinous
that
they
should
be
treated
in
adult
Court
or
they
have
treated
as
adult
crimes.
Holding
juveniles
accountable
for
these
actions
in
is
the
same
way
as
adults
may
serve
as
a
deterrent
to
others
and
ensure
the
justice
is
served.
F
F
I
I
say
this
every
time
and
I
hate
to
say
it
again,
but
where
I
live,
we
have
a
serious
juvenile
crime
problem
and
this
is
a
great
step
in
the
right
direction
and
this
will
save
people's
lives.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
all
right
members.
We
do
have
folks
here
that
are
wanting
to
testify,
and
so
we
are
going
to
without
objection
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
first
on
our
list
and
what
I'll
do
is,
for
the
sake
of
time,
I'm
going
to
call
up
a
couple
at
a
time
here.
There's
chairs
here,
you
can
sit
down.
You'll
go
one
at
a
time.
Obviously
state
your
name
who
you
represent.
A
You'll
have
three
minutes
for
comments
and
then
members
will
be
able
to
come
up
after
or
members
will
have
questions
for
you
after
that.
First
up
we'll
have
Thomas
snow
in
cintoya
Brown.
Please.
A
Miss
Brown,
it's
all
you
there'll
be
a
button
there
that
looks
like
a
mouth.
Someone
talking
you'll
push
that
the
light
up
red
you'll
have
three
minutes.
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
You'll
have
three
minutes
for
comments
and
then
you'll
be
available
for
questions.
G
They
come
before
them
after
making
a
decision
in
response
to
several
decisions
that
have
been
made
for
them.
These
are
kids,
who
don't
have
the
same
standing
that
many
of
us
do
when
we're
coming
up.
They
have
some
difficult
circumstances
to
navigate
and
they
really
don't
have
the
positive
supports.
They
need
to
help
them,
develop
the
tools
to
navigate
them,
as
all
of
us
would
so.
I
was
one
of
those
kids.
G
The
only
option
that
the
sheriffs
really
have
is
to
place
them
in
solitary
confinement,
so
for
23
hours
a
day,
I
was
kept
in
a
cell,
and
most
days
only
sunlight
I
saw
was
through
a
little
window
and
a
wall
and
the
only
human
interaction
I
had
was
from
a
guard
who
was
bringing
me.
My
food
tray,
I
lost
my
mind,
probably
about
five
or
six
times,
couldn't
really
participate
in
my
defense,
because
I
just
wasn't
there
mentally.
G
There
are
grown
men
and
seasoned
War
veterans
who
can't
even
spend
a
week
in
solitary
confinement
without
losing
it
and
juveniles
who
are
transferred
to
be
tried
as
an
adult
have
to
spend
years
under
those
conditions.
It
would
take
me
months
just
to
learn
how
to
have
simple
conversations
with
with
people,
because
my
social
skills
were
just
non-existent
at
that
point.
G
My
experience
in
the
adult
system
was
completely
different
than
the
juvenile
court.
The
adult
system,
Criminal
Court
judges,
are
trained
to
think
about
elements
of
a
crime
whether
they're
present
and
if
they
are
present,
what
punishment
is
fitting
for
that
crime.
So
they
have
these
standards,
there's
no
real
consideration
about
Rehabilitation,
because
that's
not
the
purpose
of
the
adult
criminal
justice
system
and
that's
unfortunate.
But
through
my
work
with
jfam
I've,
seen
that
these
young
people,
no
matter
what
it
is,
that
they've
done,
they
have
this
incredible
potential
to
just
be
productive.
G
Citizens
I
hope
that
I'm
an
example
of
that
Governor
Haslam
allowed
the
Lord
to
really
speak
to
his
heart
and
give
me
a
second
chance
and
I
haven't:
looked
back,
I've
completely
committed
my
life
to
work
with
these
young
people.
I
have
actually
three
young
people
who
were
set
to
be
transferred
and
tried
as
an
adult,
but
got
a
second
chance.
They
got
out
they're
doing
amazing.
G
They
have
scholarships.
A
couple
have
already
gone
to
college
and
they're,
really
intent
on
working
with
me
to
develop
solutions
to
eradicate
juvenile
delinquency,
and
so
they
work
with
me
on
my
Council,
where
we
go
into
facilities
while
I
go
into
facilities
to
work
with
groups
inside
and
talk
about
how
they
can
make
different
choices.
A
lot
of
these
kids
don't
understand
the
choices
that
they
have
right.
They
don't
understand
when
they
get
into
these
situations.
G
Well,
I.
Thank
you.
I
just
pray
that
you
make
the
right
decision
here,
just
allow
God
to
speak
to
your
heart.
The
thought
of
this
bill
passing
literally
keeps
me
up
at
night,
so
at
the
very
least,
I
pray
that
you
sent
it
to
study
so
that
I
can
share
with
you
more
that
I
couldn't
necessarily
say
in
three
minutes.
So
thank
you,
chairman
Doggett.
A
H
Good
afternoon,
Miss
Brown-
hey,
thank
you
for
being
here
without
your
firsthand
testimony
I,
don't
think
we
would
be
able
to
effectively
myself
and
those
who
think
like
me
to
communicate
with
the
rest
of
my
colleagues
just
what
a
travesty.
It
is
to
throw
away
the
potential
that
young
folks,
like
you,
hold
the
science
that
you
were
about
to
speak
to
where
the
the
frontal
lobe
prefrontal
the
cortex
is
not
fully
developed
until
your
25-ish.
Can
you
comment
on
that?
I.
G
Can
so
I
think
that
a
lot
of
times
we
put
it
into
this
perspective
of
well?
You
know
my
young
child
knows
right
from
wrong
and
when
I
was
a
child,
I
knew
right
from
wrong
right.
I
knew
what
would
get
me
in
trouble,
but
that's
not
really
the
issue.
The
issue
is
when
you
get
into
these
circumstances.
G
A
lot
of
these
kids
are
growing
up
in
environments,
where
they're
put
into
circumstances
that
no
child
should
no
child
with
a
healthy
upbringing
and
their
mind
is
not
really
trained
to
navigate
that
so
oftentimes
they
act
off
impulse
from
you
know
their
amygdala,
that's
an
amygdalic
response.
This
is
all
Sciences,
not
something
I,
just
kind
of
looked
up
on
YouTube
or
anything,
and
so
they're
not
really
operating
as
an
adult.
G
So
that's
why
it's
a
bit
more
complex
than
just
knowing
right
from
wrong,
because
in
that
moment,
when
it
happens,
that's
not
what
you're
thinking
in
my
own
situation,
it
wasn't
a
matter
of
right
or
wrong.
I
just
felt
that
I
had
to
survive
in
that
moment
and
that's
what
you
would
consider
in
a
magnetic
response.
G
It
stems
from
your
at
McDonald's,
your
prefrontal
cortex,
so
there
is
a
lot
of
science
involved
plenty
of
research
about
it
and
again,
if
you
all
would
like
to
take
this
to
a
study,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
come
forward
and
and
share
what
my
experience
was
to
share
some
of
the
signs.
I
think
there's
some
other
people
may
be
more
qualified
than
I
am
to
speak
on
that
science
and
I
would
personally
even
reach
out
to
them
and
ask
them
to
come
and
speak
with
you
guys.
H
Thank
you
and
the
you
made
reference
to
how
you
were
handled
physically
in
the
adult
criminal
system
in
that
facility
that
it
it's
not
built
for
young
folks
who
are
not
fully,
who
aren't
a
part
of
the
adult,
Criminal
Justice
System
right,
the
youngest
folks
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
H
That's
built
for
adults
aren't
getting
what
they
need.
The
further
you
go
down
the
line
in
18
17,
16,
15,
14
and
younger
the
further
away
you
get
from
progress
and
the
more
likely
you
are
to
place
these
young
folks
in
a
situation
where
they
will
regress.
Can
you
speak
to
whether
you
had
progress
or
regress
when
you
were
placed
in
the
adult
Criminal,
Justice
Facility.
G
G
G
You
don't
have
classes
they're
made
to
cater
to
adults
who
maybe
just
need
a
few
credits
or
something
like
that
and
can
get
a
high
set
so
you're
not
getting
like
the
rarest
academic
materials
that
you
would
get
if
you
were
in
school
or
even
if
you
were
in
the
department
of
children's
services
or
the
juvenile
court,
so
I
actually
had
my
attorney
at
the
time.
Who
would
bring
me
stuff
to
kind
of
supplement,
so
I
could
train
myself
and
teach
myself
so
that
I
could
obtain
my
GED
but
yeah.
G
It's
it's
definitely
regressive.
You
don't
really
get
treatment,
so
you
don't
have
access
to
the
counselors,
the
social
workers.
You
have
access
to.
None
of
that
because
it's
not
designed
for
that.
If
we're
honest.
You
know
when
we
think
of
adults
who
commit
crimes,
we
think
of
putting
them
places
where
you
know
we
can
keep
Society
safe.
We
can
keep
them
locked
away.
That's
all
it's
meant
for
when
you
think
of
the
Juvenile
Justice
System,
the
juvenile
justice
system
is
designed
to
remove
the
taint
of
criminality.
G
So
it
recognizes
that
these
are
children
who
are
vulnerable
and
who
are
susceptible
to
the
influences
of
older
people,
and
so
the
juvenile
court
uses
its
resources
to
kind
of,
remove
that
and
set
them
on
the
right
path,
so
they're
completely
different
in
terms
of
the
way
that
they
operate
so
one
child
who's
kept
in
the
juvenile
system
can
have
opportunities
to
progress.
They
can
have
an
opportunity
to
to
be
transformed
and
retrained
and
become
a
benefit
to
society.
H
H
It's
that
simple
and
the
science
that
we
have
available
to
us
used
by
the
juvenile
justice
system
to
develop
the
programs
and
the
facilities
in
order
to
rehab
rehabilitate
our
children
is
really
what's
at
stake
today,
so
I,
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
I
couldn't
think
of
a
better
spokesperson.
I,
remember
your
case.
Well,
the
Tennessee
Black
Caucus
worked
on
it
and
I'm,
proud
to
say
we
did
the
right
thing.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
This
might
have
been
answered,
but
quick
clarification.
So
that
was
what
my
question
was
going
to
be.
Typically
in
adult
facilities,
there
is
no
school
where
in
juvenile
facilities
you
have
school,
so
you
were
saying
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
something
offered
but
you're
you're.
Actually,
your
attorney
brought
you
school
work.
She.
G
Did
so
in
the
adult
system
you
have
What's
called
the
tape,
which
is
the
Tennessee
adult
basic
education,
and
then
you
have
hiset,
which
is
a
high
school
equivalency
and
for
most
adults
that's
pretty
much
all
they
need,
but
you
don't
learn
the
basic
things
that
you
would
and
it's
definitely
not
to
the
same
standard.
As
you
know,
if
you
were
going
to
go
to
our
great
public
schools
here
so
yeah,
it's
a
little
different.
I
Yeah,
so
you
know
I,
guess
the
assumption
is,
with
adults
they've
been
through
that
school.
This
is
just
kind
of
revisiting,
reviewing
and
and
practicing
where
for
you,
you
haven't
learned
those
skills
yet
because
you
weren't
there,
and
so
you
need
someone
who's
going
to
offer.
You
teaching
those
skills
because
you
certainly
it's
pretty
tough,
to
teach
yourself
Algebra
2
or
something
like
that.
So.
G
Yeah
and
so
the
only
education
you
have
so,
if
you're,
there
you're
in
solitary
confinement
and
maybe
once
or
once
a
week
or
once
every
other
week
when
the
teacher
can
get
away
from
her
class
with
the
adults,
she'll
come
around
to
segregation
and
she'll
have
packets
printed
out,
which
is
the
work,
and
so
you
you
get
the
packet,
but
I
mean
she
honestly
doesn't
have
enough
time
to
sit
there
with
you
and
work
through
everything
or
teach
you
the
stuff,
that's
in
it,
so
you're
kind
of
on
your
own.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here,
I
Rejoice
with
you
that
the
Lord
has
done
a
marvelous
work
in
your
life
and
I'm.
Grateful
for
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
do
have
a
question
for
you.
J
J
I
I,
don't
know
if
the
outcome
would
be
the
same,
and
the
only
reason
I
say
that
is
from
my
representative
friend
from
Shelby
County
down
there
I
think
I
think
they
had
six
thousand
serious
serious
violent
crimes
committed
by
juveniles.
600
got
referred
to
to
adult
Court
the
problem
they're,
having
from
what
I
understand
in
other
places
in
this
state
is
that
that
they're,
starting
in
the
Justice,
the
Juvenile
Justice
System
they
get
released
and
commit
crime.
Again,
that's
all
I'm
asking
you
to
probably
is
to
postulate
on.
J
G
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
so
when
I
was
in
juvenile
and
I
had
gone
through
Department
of
Children
Services,
it
was
a
complete
mess
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
want
to
speculate
on
why
it
was
that
way,
but
we
weren't
really
getting
a
lot
of
the
services
that
are
available
now.
G
Maybe
it's
because
we've
Advanced
a
little
bit
in
our
understanding
about
what's
effective
I
know
now,
especially
now
that
director
Quinn
has
taken
over
I'm
more
optimistic
about
the
quality
of
the
services
that
will
be
provided,
but
at
that
time
they
weren't
really
there
and
I
think
that
we
should
really
invest
more
in,
what's
being
done
on
that
end
because
of
the
programs
that
are
available
and
that
have
been
put
into
place
that
we've
seen
that
they're
effective
right
I
have
seen
just
through
my
work
with
the
girls
with
epic
girl,
Through
My,
Own
Foundation.
G
We
work
on
very
limited
resources,
very
little
support,
but
we've
seen
progress,
we've
seen
in
effect,
so
there's
something
there
where
we
can
actually
prevent
it.
I
don't
want
us
to
keep
having
to
figure
out.
What
do
we
do
after
something
has
happened?
I
want
it
to
stop
happening.
You
know,
that's
what
God
has
really
convicted
me
of,
because
I
can
never
change.
G
What
happened
between
me
in
that
family
that
I
harmed
I
can
never
undo
that,
but
if
I
can
prevent
it
from
happening
to
other
families,
that
is
really
what's
going
to
keep
people
safe.
That's
what's
going
to
save
people's
lives,
and
so
we
can
go
on
and
on
and
think
about.
Well,
let's
just
be
harsher
and
harsher,
but
that's
not
going
to
fix
the
problem
that
we
need
to
fix
that
problem.
G
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
services
are
better
and
so
that,
with
the
time
that
Juris
jurisdiction
in
the
juvenile
court
is
active
stuff,
something
can
be
done
there.
Transformation
can
happen
there.
I
know
there.
There
was
talk
about
extending
the
jurisdiction
and
I.
Think
you
know.
That's,
that's
a
beautiful
idea
give
them
more
time
to
work
with
kids,
give
them
intensive
Services.
If
you
have
someone
that's
charged
with
a
serious
crime,
don't
just
release
them
at
18
or
19
hold
them
there
longer
give
them
access
to
that.
G
A
E
E
You
want
to
say
some
and
we
realized
how
much,
how
big
of
a
problem
it
is
and
I
have
some
statistics
here
that
I
want
to
read
to
you.
Just
last
month
the
Shelby
County
D.A
had
41
petitions
against
juveniles
and
only
three
were
granted
so
in
two
in
2022.
The
juvenile
delinquent
complaints
involved,
in
repeat
offenders,
the
first
the
first
ones
was
2507.
E
E
So
we're
not
we're
not
talking
about
just
going
out
and
having
a
little
fun
or
beating
someone
up
we're
talking
about
murder
and
we're
talking
about
rape,
rape
of
children,
rape
of
adults,
rape
of
everyone.
So
these
are,
you
know
we
want
to
rehabilitate
them,
but
so
far
that's
not
happening.
It's
we're
just
failing
somewhere,
but
I
do
believe
that.
E
So
I
have
some
more
statistics:
in
2021
delinquent
charges
there
were
4
696
charges
and
only
1
348
were
actually
charged
with
anything.
So
in
22
this
is
in
Shelby
County
and
it
seems
to
be
that's
where
the
worst
cases
are
I.
Think
it's
more
Gang
Related
those
type
things
there
were
60
6120
and
only
one
set
1787
of
them
were
actually
charged,
so
we're
just
failing
somewhere
down
the
line,
if
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
a
safer
place
for
Shelby.
E
J
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
just
had
a
couple
questions
as
a
sponsor.
I
spoke
to
some
Criminal
Court
judges,
this
past
Friday,
when
when
we
were
out
of
here-
and
they
said
that
they
don't
they
don't
have
access
to
DCS
records
like
the
juvenile
system
does,
and
they
were,
they
were
kind
of
saying
they.
They
have
no
way
of
knowing
a
history.
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
have
a
way-
or
there
is
a
way
to
to
fix
that,
and
and
the
second
thing
is
the
mention
of
facilities.
J
The
lack
of
them
are
a
place
to
put
juveniles
that
are
that
are
tried
as
adult
as
as
Ms
Brown
said
you,
you
can't
house
the
juvenile
in
adult
facility,
unless
you
can
seal
them
off
from
it
and
and
most
of
the
time
we're
I
think
we're
having
quite
a
bit
of
trouble.
Finding
places
like
that
that
are
suitable
and
it
would
work.
Is
there
anything
in
the
plans
to
accommodate
that?
E
There
there
are
some
plans
and
two
we
are
planning
on
having
DCS
release
the
records
to
the
criminal
court
and
I
want
to
speak
on
the
school
too.
The
school
their
classes
will
carry
on
as
they
do
in
detention
centers
and
what
was
the
other
question
we're
looking
for?
We
are
looking
for
facilities.
We've
got
some
ideas
in
mind.
What
we
might
do.
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
one
of
my
big
concerns
coming
from.
We
have
excellent
juvenile
court
judges
in
Knoxville
and
they
are
absolutely
without
question
the
best
people
to
hear
these
juveniles
cases
and
to
make
decisions
about
transferring
to
adult
Court.
There's
just
there's
no
question
in
in
in
anybody's
mind,
certainly
in
my
county
that
that's
not
the
best
way
to
go
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Last
year,
I
think
they
they
transferred
over
three
cases
to
adult
court.
I
Judges
are
already
backlogged
initially
and
then
because
of
covid
and
those
things,
and
so
this
is
going
to
put
a
huge
burden
on
the
courts
to
get
through
all
of
those
cases
and
I
think
that
we
just
know
that
the
juvenile
judge
who
this
these
are
the
types
of
kids
in
cases
they
deal
with
all
the
time
are
best
to
make
that
decision
and
I
just
have
a
serious
problem
when
we're
doing
that
and
we're
being
told
that
there
are
going
to
be
schools,
but
we
also
were
told
oftentimes.
I
I
I
A
K
K
Well,
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
more
data
and
I'd
like
to
see
more
data
and
also
I'd
like
to
see
data
as
it
relates
to
other
cities.
You
stated
that
the
rehabilitation
is
not
working
and
I'm
sure
it's
not
in
some
areas.
I'd
also
like
to
see
where
it
might
be
working.
If
it's
working
anywhere
in
the
in
the
country,
what
people
are
doing
in
the
Juvenile
Justice
System,
but
a
random
sampling
is,
is
gonna
for
me
include
more
than
Shelby
County.
K
Okay,
you
got
other
counties
that
I
am
privy
to
have.
You
know
challenges
certain
things
going
on
I'd
like
to
see
that
daily
other
large
counties,
like
obviously
Davidson
you
got
Chattanooga
you
got,
and
some
of
the
rule
as
well,
so
I'd
like
to
see
more
data
and
look
at
the
ratios
and
the
percentages
and
so
forth,
but
most
importantly,
where
it's
working
if
it's
working
anywhere
in
the
country
chairman.
Thank
you.
E
K
A
A
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
just
a
request
to
my
colleagues.
The
sponsors
cited
Memphis
and
Shelby
County
in
a
number
of
times
cited
data
cited
concern,
and
yet
the
committee
decided
that
Memphis
and
Shelby
County
the
parts
that
I
represent
didn't
deserve
to
have
debate,
didn't
deserve
to
have
the
Liberty
inquiry
of
the
sponsor.
That's
wrong.
H
The
same
type
of
zeal
that
you
do
so
I
would
ask
for
more
respect
for
my
colleagues
when
it
comes
to
bills,
especially
that
speak
to
Shelby
County,
and
this
is
there's
nothing
more
consequential
for
Shelby
County,
Children
juveniles,
Youth
and
Young
adults,
then
this
bill
that
we
y'all
just
sent
out
of
here.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
J
Thank
you
all
right,
all
right.
We're
going
to
house
bill
number
two
by
chairman
Doggett
at
hospital
1030
and
by
the
way,
all
to
those
of
you
folks
who
got
to
eat
lunch
today.
Congratulations
I,
am
very,
very
glad
for
you,
chair,
lady
Moody,
said
I
didn't
need
to
I
was
so
big.
My
bathtub
has
stretch
marks,
so
thank
you.
J
A
You
Mr
chairman:
this
legislation
makes
changes
to
the
current
repeat,
violent
offender
laws
and
which
we
feel
is
vital
for
holding
repeat
violent
offenders
accountable
for
their
actions,
while
also
protecting
victims
and
the
public.
Simply
this
legislation
states
that
for
repeat
violent
offenders.
If
they
receive
three
strikes
for
committing
violent
offenses,
they
will
be
sentenced
to
life
in
prison
without
the
possibility
for
parole.
There
are
various
strike
categories
we
have.
The
1.5
strikes
the
one,
the
half
and
the
quarter.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
chairman
I,
think
we
have
some
folks
here
to
speak
on
this
on
this
bill,
a
Ben
Rabin
and
a
Matthew
Charles.
Are
you
folks
here
today?
Okay,
please
come
forward
we'll
go
out
of
session
and
and
hear
what
you
have
to
say
if
you'll
just
take
a
seat
at
the
desk
and
make
sure
your
mic
is
on
and
please
introduce
yourself
so
for
the
record:
We
Know,
Who,
You,
Are.
M
Thank
you,
chairman
holds
me
and
committee
members.
My
name
is
Matthew
Charles
I'm,
a
resident
of
Nashville
Tennessee
and
the
state
of
Tennessee
director
for
fam
opposes
House
Bill
10
30..
Had
this
bill
been
in
effect,
when
I
was
sentenced,
I
would
have
done.
I
would
still
be
in
for
Life
instead
of
serving
22
years
over
30
years
sentence,
even
though
Justice
had
already
been
served
through
my
conviction
and
I
was
clearly
rehabilitated.
I
believe
House
Bill
1030
allows
a
person
to
remain
incarcerated
for
longer
than
necessary
to
ensure
Justice.
M
A
purse
can
also
be
one
drug
offense
we're
talking
about
violent
offenses,
and
there
are
some
offenses
that
are
non-violent
listed
a
person
can
be
one
drug
offense
away
from
receiving
a
life
sentence.
The
bill
doesn't
take
into
accountability
the
years
from
the
first
second
or
third
offense.
It
also
doesn't
take
into
mitigating
factors.
While
a
person
ended
up
in
the
situation
as
they
did,
I
grew
up
with
childhood
trauma
because
it
hadn't
made
a
whole
lot
of
decisions
that
were
wrong.
M
I
ended
up
incarcerated
for
some
of
these
crimes
that
are
listed
and
had
I
been
sentenced
in
the
state
of
Tennessee.
With
this
bill,
in
effect,
I
would
still
be
in
prison,
as
opposed
to
being
out
being
able
to
be
a
voice
for
those
that
are
incarcerated.
Speaking
to
Governors
and
legislators
around
the
country.
M
One
thing
president
Trump
said
unto
me
when
I
first
met
him
and
oftentimes
when
he
introduced
me
was
that
they
wanted
you
to
do
10
more
years
behind
bars,
but
he
stated
it
divisively,
meaning
it
was
unbelievable
and
purely
punitive,
and
since
then,
I
have
also
knowed
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
I'm,
not
an
anomaly.
There's
a
lot
of
people
like
me
and
this
bill
will
throw
those
people
away.
M
There
are
several
bills
that
were
passed
last
year
that
allow
somebody
to
commit
some
of
these
violent
felonies
to
serve
85
percent
or
100
of
their
centers.
If
we
don't
feel
that
them
serving
their
entire
sentence
is
enough
and
we
have
to
just
throw
these
people
away
from
life.
We're
literally
saying
Tennessee
is
the
worst
state
in
the
United
States,
because
we
have
to
have
the
harshest
laws
in
the
country.
To
make
a
point,
my
sister
cintoya
Brown
spoke
about
the
need
for
rehabilitation.
M
House
Bill
1030
eliminates
any
form
of
Rehabilitation
from
the
tapes
from
the
state's
perspective
toward
that
offender.
It
also
allows
that
person
to
no
longer
be
connected
to
his
family
and
his
community
and
therefore
found
speaks
against
Hospital
1030,
because
we
don't
feel
that
it's
necessary
it
does
not.
M
The
data
suggests
that
it
does
not
deter
crime
and
it
doesn't
work,
but
it
is
costly
because
people
will
be
serving
the
rest
of
their
life
in
prison,
we'll
have
to
build
more
jails
and
staff
them,
and
we
already
have
the
Staffing
problems
with
the
14
prisons
that
we
have
here
in
the
state.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you
Mr
Charles
for
being
here.
You
are
an
expert.
You
you've
been
there
and
you've
recovered
and
now
you're
trying
to
make
things
better
for
those
who
are
in
your
shoes
so
to
speak
or
in
your
old
shoes.
M
M
So,
in
other
words,
as
I
stated,
the
state
takes
his
hands
off
taking
part
in
the
rehabilitation
of
offender
when
it
makes
a
person
do
100
of
their
time
or
give
them
a
life
sentence.
That
person
should
not
be
held
accountable.
I
understand
that
mistakes
are
made
and
I
know
that,
as
you
continue
to
repeat
those
mistakes,
the
judge
should
be
able
to
utilize
the
discretion.
M
To
give
you
more
time-
and
he
does,
he
takes
all
those
factors
already
into
consideration
when
he
imposes
the
sentence
from
the
start,
but
to
have
a
person
given
a
life
sentence
same
thing
in
at
whatever
age
he
may
be,
he
could
have
been
a
wayward
juvenile
sent
us
in
an
adult
Court,
and
now
he
catches
another
offense.
That
adds
that
1.5
that
he
needs
to
have
those
three
strikes
and
he's
serving
life
as
I
stayed
a
little
bit
earlier.
M
It
doesn't
distinguish
the
time
frame
between
whether
that
was
fence
was
10
years,
20
years
or
30
years
ago,
but
that
person
goes
in
the
prison
is
no
longer
safer,
because
this
person
feels
that
he
has
nothing
to
live
for
and
he's
not
going
to
be
a
real
follower
he's
going
to
be
a
rule
violator
and
it's
not
a
suitable
place
for
his
fellow
prisoners
or
the
staff.
So
to
me
that
makes
all
the
difference
as
well.
H
So-
and
these
are
my
words,
can
you
can
I
assume
that
we
have
individuals
who
have
reached
the
point
of
rehab
that
we
want
and
because
they
can't
get
out,
could
possibly
regress
and
become
as
bad
or
worse
than
the
person
they
were
going
in.
M
Oh
I,
agree,
hope
deferred
is
always
a
terrible
thing.
The
fact
that
a
person
goes
in,
he
realizes
he's,
made
a
mistake,
he's
being
taken
away
from
his
founding
community
and
he
wants
to
change,
but
as
he
continues
to
serve
that
sentence,
he
realized
that
the
efforts
that
he
are
making
it
seems
like
everybody
still
is
reminding
him
of
who
he
used
to
be
and
he
can
regress,
because
when
situations
come
up,
he
don't
know
how
to
critically
think.
M
In
other
words,
he
just
responds
to
his
atmosphere
and
his
atmosphere
is
saying
you
don't
matter
so.
Yes,
I
believe
that
a
person
who
does
have
a
mindset
to
return
to
their
family
because
people
change
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
I
change,
because
I
ended
up
finding
Christ
in
the
county
jail,
but
people
also
age
out
of
crime.
So
people
change
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
a
person
that
I
believe
that
doesn't
have
I'm
just
going
to
say
it.
H
Thank
you
and
Mr
chairman
committing
colleagues
we're
about
to
make
a
choice
here
on
whether
we're
going
to
Warehouse
our
offenders
or
whether
we're
going
to
try
to
rehab
our
offenders
and
make
sure
that
we
return
them
when
they
do
return
to
our
communities,
that
we
return
them
in
better
form
and
better
shape
emotionally,
intellectually
Etc
than
they
were
when
they
went
in
and
just
warehousing
folk
to
with
no
real
Benchmark
that
we're
going
to
respect
that
will
determine
when
you're
going
to
release
them
versus
having
them
in
the
system
with
programs
that
are
going
to
help
them
to
get
better
and
once
we
measure
where
they
are,
and
they
measure
at
a
point
to
where
they
can
be
the
type
of
citizens
that
we
want
in
the
community
that
they're
released
so
I'm
I'm,
saying
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
disjointed
bills
and
laws
that
seem
to
be
coming
down
in
the
delusion
Avalanche
and
we're
going
to
regret
it.
H
H
K
F
M
K
M
I
think
I
think
a
better
alternative
would
be
investing
in
prevention.
I'd
also
believe
that
if
we
like
we're
talking
about
juveniles
earlier
and
we
can
reach
children
at
a
younger
age,
we
need
to
go
into
some
of
these
facilities,
whether
a
house
that
and
see
when
the
youngest
person
with
their
age
is
and
then
start
addressing
people
the
age
before
they
get
to
that
age.
I
believe
there
need
to
be
communities
involved,
more
families
involved.
M
We
know
that
a
lot
of
these
children
are
from
single
parent
families,
but
the
community
I
believe
that
the
churches
play
a
role
as
well.
I
need
to
come
alongside
and
be
able
to
help
these
people
and
be
able
to
show
them
that
just
going
out
join
a
gang
so
that
you
can
have
a
brother
or
a
sister
or
somebody
that
cares
about.
K
M
A
long
period
of
time,
I
was
done
that
way
because
of
my
family
surroundings.
My
father
was
a
very
physically
and
verbally
abusive
person,
as
I
stated
in
many
of
my
testimonies
that
a
lot
of
people
have
heard
I
believe
I
was
about
stuff
every
wall
in
the
house
and
outside
of
the
house,
so
I
believe
that
the
school
system
has
to
be
involved.
The
counselors
I
also
believe
that
communities
need
to
approach
these
children
at
a
younger
age
and
just
don't
have
basketball
camps
or
taking
them
out
on.
K
M
I
would
definitely
say
so
because
of
the
video
games
and
a
lot
of
things
that
we
see
on
TV
of
the
conflict
resolution
that
is
being
utilized
by
some
of
the
children
doesn't
exist.
They
do
what
they've
seen
on
the
video
games
and
what
they've
seen
on
the
TVs
and
as
you
stated
yourself
several
weeks
ago,
when
I
was
here
in
one
of
the
hearing.
M
A
lot
of
parents
are
actually
afraid
of
their
children,
because
the
children
have
grown
up
with
other
people
that
have
been
violent
toward
their
loved
ones
or
what
they've
seen
on
television.
So
a
lot
of
parents,
especially
single
parent
families,
are
afraid
of
their
children,
so
the
community
should
come
alongside
and
also
be
a
family
to
that
family.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
It
helps
for
me
to
hear
examples
of
what
would
fall
under
this
bill
and
hearing
that
it
could
be
a
very
early
crime
that
was
committed
and
then
much
later
you
could
have
a
non-violent
crime
added
on
that
would
put
you
into
this
category
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
really
have
to
be
cautious
of,
without
a
doubt,
I
think,
that's
very
helpful
to
hear.
I
M
I
cannot
I
can
directly
choose
one
thing:
I
would
say
the
fact
that
I
grew
up
believing
that
I
was
alone
and
didn't
believe
that
God
existed
and
then
going
into
the
county
jail
and
somebody
giving
me
a
gifted
me,
a
Bible,
along
with
some
other
things
that
they
had,
such
as
toiletries
and
food
items
and
I
end
up.
Reading
that
Bible
and
God
moved
on
my
heart
and
made
me
make
the
best
decision
of
my
life
to
start
believing
and
Clinging
On
to
somebody,
I
didn't
even
believe
existed.
J
L
Lambert
I
think
Mr,
chairman
Miss
Charles.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Obviously,
there
are
folks
that
can
be
rehabilitated,
but
both
from
my
time
as
an
assistant,
district
attorney
and
just
in
private
practice.
Unfortunately,
there
is
a
small
percentage
of
the
population
that
continues
to
commit
violent
crime
after
violent
crime
after
violent
crime.
It
is
a
small
percentage
of
those
that
are
coming
through
Court,
but
I'm,
sick
and
tired
of
it.
I,
don't
know
about
y'all,
but
I.
L
Think
the
people
of
this
state
are
sick
and
tired
of
not
being
safe
in
their
own
communities,
345
murders
in
Memphis
here
before
last
High
200s
last
year.
Progress
is
not
having
200
plus
murders
in
one
city
in
the
state
of
Tennessee,
but
it's
not
just
Memphis
I'm,
absolutely
tired
of
of
us
all,
focusing
just
on
one
city
too.
It's
Mountain
City
to
Memphis.
L
You
have
pockets
of
violent
crime
throughout
this
state,
no
matter
where
it
is
no
matter
what
community,
where
you
have
a
few
bad
apples
that
are
genuinely
all
the
violent
crime
in
that
Community
centralizes
around
those
folks.
The
recidivism
rate
for
those
that
incarcerated
is
dang
near
a
zero
percent.
L
If
you
continue
to
commit
violent
crime
in
this
state,
I
hope
this
bill
sends
the
message
loud
and
strong.
Yes,
we
will
Warehouse
you.
Yes,
we
will
incarcerate
you.
You
will
not
hurt
another
Tennessean
in
this
state,
not
on
our
watch.
If
you
don't
like
that,
don't
commit
the
crime,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
Mr
chairman.
H
H
But
let's
talk
about
warehousing
when
you
have
individuals
who
were
broken
when
they
went
in
and
the
only
thing
you
do
is
break
them
even
more.
You
heard
Miss
Brown
testify,
for
instance,
that
she
was
kept
in
solitary
confinement.
She
would
go
two
steps
forward.
One
step
back,
two
steps
forward,
one
step
back:
why?
Because
the
programs
that
we
have
are
not
working,
that's
what's
not
working.
H
We
don't
even
have
a
way
to
effectively
measure
the
rehabilitation
programs
that
we
have
in
place,
who's,
taking
responsibility
for
those
programs
in
the
Department
of
Corrections
that
are
supposed
to
rehab
that
are
supposed
to
make
men
and
women
better
than
they
are
when
they
go
in.
That's
where
we
need
to
be
concentrating
our
efforts,
if
we're
just
going
to
then
I've
said
this
before
I'm
going
to
say
it
again.
H
If
we're
only
going
to
Warehouse
men
and
women,
then
we
are
only
going
to
be
safe
as
long
as
they're
in
the
warehouse
when
they
come
out.
If
we
haven't
done
our
job
and
been
smart
on
crime,
then
we're
going
to
have
worse
citizens
better
criminals
than
before
they
went
in
it.
Ain't
that
complicated.
So
we
can
talk
about
how
safe
we
are
while
they're
warehoused,
but
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
is
who's
going
to
hit
the
streets
when
the
time
is
up
and
the
time
will
be
up.
I
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
pretend
like
these
folks
who
have
committed
these
crimes
are
not
going
to
get
sentences
for
those
crimes
they
are,
but
just
but
just
going
to
life
in
prison.
Why
not
give
them
the
full
sentence
for
the
crime
that
they
committed?
Why
are
we
creating
this?
Basically,
a
three
strikes
bill.
I
I
You
know,
and-
and
that's
going
to
be-
that's
going
to
be
clear,
so
I
just
don't
understand
why
we
have
to
go
to
this
idea
of
literally
throwing
people
away
away,
which
makes
our
our
prisons
less
safe
for
the
people
who
work
there,
as
well
as
other
inmates,
because
people
have
no
incentive
to
do
programs
and
and
improve
themselves
and
I.
K
Chairman,
thank
you
again.
I
sponsored
the
bill.
Mr
chairman,
this
would
impact.
What's
the
age
range
on
the
person,
that's
incarcerated
that
this
bill
will
impact.
K
A
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
These
are
felony
offenses.
Now
in
regards
to
the
drugs
it
was
mentioned
earlier,
someone
would
have
to
be
convicted
twice
in
order
to
receive
a
half
strike,
a
0.5
points,
if
you
will
on
on
strikes.
K
A
You
there's
it's
a
half
a
point.
There's
as
the
strike
Matrix
is.
If
you
will
is
broke
down,
it's
1.5,
okay,
this
one
category
and
there's
a
list
of
offenses
that
fit
into
that
section.
You
have
the
one
point
section
where
there's
a
list
of
offenses
there.
You
have
the
half
that
has
a
list
and
also
the
quarter
points
that
have
a
list
of
offenses
as
well.
N
K
A
Thank
you.
It
is
a
combination
thereof
when
you
get
to
three
three
points,
then
that's
where
this
bill
would
kick
in
kicks
in
yes,
sir,
okay.
K
I
think
we
had
to
go
back
to
school,
get
that
mathematics
course
again.
Mr
chairman
everybody
on
this
panel
and
everybody
in
this
room,
everybody's
sick
of
crying.
We
all
just
sick
of
crime
we
are
and
I
would
I
would
eventually
say
that
even
a
criminal,
if
that
person
is
criminalized
and
sick
of
it
too,
it's
something
that
I've
heard
for
a
long
time,
a
long
time
as
a
kid
youngster
how
we
were
going
to
deal
with
the
crime
in
our
community.
K
K
It's
a
it's
a
deal
when
I
see
more
and
more
that,
and
these
and
they're
younger
and
younger.
But
this
is
how
sometimes
we
have
taken
this
one
out
of
the
schools
out
of
the
homes
out
of
everywhere,
and
we
know
the
mind
is
not
developed
until
a
certain
age
and
kids
think
they
can
do
anything,
get
away
with
it
and
there's
no
reprisal.
We
were.
We
would
discipline
properly
I
think
as
we
come
along,
so
in
order
to
really
get
at
the
core,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
do
this.
K
These
types
of
things
Crime
and
Punishment
always
go
together,
but
there's
some
other
things
we
have
to
do
as
well
in
order
to
really
try
to
touch
and
neuter
this
thing
at
the
root
and
there's
a
they're,
a
combination
of
things,
these
kinds
of
bills
many
times
make
us
feel
good,
but
if
we
track
these
bills
track
them
along
the
way
and
see
what
the
net
gain
is.
That's
where
the
truth
is
told
whether
or
not
we
get
any
net
gains.
We
have
the
death
penalty
on
the
books
across
the
country.
K
Hadn't
deterred
any
crime,
it
doesn't
deter.
Murder,
I'm
not
saying
you
shouldn't,
have
to
have
it
because
in
a
certain
situation,
hey
you
you,
you
would
be
forced
to
kill
somebody
trying
to
protect
your
family,
but
it
has
not
deterred
murder
and
it's
on
the
books.
They've
been
on
the
books
for
a
long
time.
K
I
share
the
same
frustration
that
everybody
else
shared
I,
know
people
that
things
have
happened
to
and
everybody
everybody's
sick
of
it.
If
something
is
happening,
I
called
you
and
I'm
talking
about
the
American
culture
now,
because
I
know
pockets,
it's
everywhere,
I
go
to
different
parts
of
the
country.
One
years
ago
it
was
New
York
one.
K
While
it
was
DC
when
somebody
said
it
moves
around
seems
like
it
moves
around
in
the
different
parts
of
the
country,
we're
going
to
have
to
As
Leaders
reevaluate,
what's
going
on,
what's
really
going
on
in
our
communities
and
how
we
can
really
and
the
people
want
us
to
try
to
improve
this
situation
and
they
deserve
that.
We
need
to
try
to
improve
it,
but
we
got
to
do
more
than
make
an
attempt
with
doing
something.
K
We've
always
done
and
think
that
we're
going
to
really
net
something,
that's
really
great
for
our
communities
and,
like
I,
said
I'm
for
crime
and
I'm
for
punishment,
but
I
more
than
anything,
I
want
to
see
things
improve
in
our
communities.
We
deserve
that.
All
of
us
do
but
Tamara.
Thank
you.
A
Go
ahead.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman,
that
this
does
not
this
bill
does
not
address
those
issues.
That
is,
you
know
currently
procedure
in
how
they
they
operate.
What
we
are
looking
at
is
when
it
comes
time
for
the
conviction
portion
of
it,
then
when
they
are
convicted
of
these
crimes
that
are
listed
here.
This
is
this
is
what
happens
so,
whatever
happens
with
negotiations
and
and
things
that
are
made
on
the
on
the
front
end
before
you
get
to
the
conviction
portion
that
would
be.
This
bill
does
not
address
that.
J
A
N
A
H
Thank
you
chairman
to
my
my
good
friend,
the
sponsor.
Why
are
we
doing
this.
L
The
attorney
general
has
a
jurisdiction
already
over
all
other
appellate
matters.
Post-Conviction
is
in
essence,
just
that
it
occurs
in
a
trial
court,
but
it
is
a
collateral
attack
on
a
sentence
that
has
been
handed
down
by
the
jury.
This
just
allows
for
that
to
be
a
seamless
transition
where
not
only
they
handle
the
Appellate
matters,
but
the
post-conviction
matters
as
well.
H
Having
heard
from
some
of
the
the
local
folks
and
defense
attorneys
who
are
concerned
that
the
resources
are
not
in
the
Attorney
General's
office,
the
organization,
the
Personnel,
the
experience
in
criminal
matters
of
this
nature,
and
that
is
going
to
cost
us
time
and
it
it
might
cost
us
a
whole
lot
more
money
than
we're.
Seeing
reflected
in
the
in
the
fiscal
note.
Would
you
speak
to
that,
sir.
N
L
Chairman,
yes,
sir,
they
so
most
District,
Attorney's
offices
are
are
going
to
see.
You
know
one
or
two
Capital
cases
in
a
career
and
you're
very
busy
urban
areas.
They
may
have
more
than
that,
but
a
lot
of
District
Attorneys
do
a
phenomenal
job
and,
and
they
all
do
a
phenomenal
job
handling
those
at
the
trial
level,
they're
very
difficult
cases
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle.
The
Attorney
General's
office
has
an
entire
division
that
just
handles
capital
murder
appellate
work.
L
So
that's
who
would
be
handling
these,
so
they
are
able
to
do
that
within
their
current
responsibilities.
They're,
not
obviously,
they're,
not
very
many
capital
cases.
This
is
only
the
worst
of
the
worst
we're
talking
about
here,
but
this
allows
the
division.
That's
already
handling
all
these
Capital
matters
and
handles
them
on
a
daily
basis
and,
quite
frankly,
frees
up
our
local
District
Attorneys
to
do
what
they
do
best,
which
is
you
know,
handle
each
single
case.
That's
coming
through.
A
A
P
All
right,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
amendment
deals
with
a
new
drug.
You
know,
as
we
know,
a
new
drug
is
coming
out
all
the
time
and
hitting
the
streets
and
killing
our
kids.
This
one's
called
xylazine.
It's
also
referred
to
as
tranq
it's
a
non-opioid
Veterinary
tranquilizer
used
on
horses
and
cattle,
and
it's
been
connected
to
several
drug
overdoses
in
the
country
and
in
Tennessee.
Xylazine
is
Central
nerve
assistance,
depression
that
can
cause
drowsiness
and
Amnesia
and
slow
breathing
heart
rate
and
blood
pressure
to
dangerously
low
levels.
P
It's
usually
used
to
cut
Fentanyl
and
meth.
The
only
problem
with
thalazine
or
the
biggest
problem
is
that
when
they
recommend
an
overdose
of
like
Narcan
Narcan
has
no
effect
on
this
drug.
This
is
a
Veterinary
drug.
So,
if
somebody
is
taking
this
drug
and
it's
been
cut
with
fentanyl
or
whatever
Narcan
has
no
effect
and
most
likely
will
die,
this
bill
will
pass
if
passed
will
make
xylazine
a
Schedule
II
drug
and
with
that
Mr
chairman
I'll,
be
glad
to
take
any
questions.
Thank.
O
Chairman
Powers
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
this
bill.
We
all
know
the
dangers
that
a
lot
of
these
drugs
have,
and
especially
with
regard
to
how
this
is
mixing
with
fentanyl,
because,
like
you
said
it's
a
non-opioid
drug,
so
it
Narcan
doesn't
affect
it
because
of
those
opioid
receptors.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
this
forward
appreciate.
A
P
A
K
P
And,
to
be
honest
with
you,
oh
I'm,
sorry
to
be
honest
with
you,
I've
never
heard
of
it
either,
and
and
thank
you,
representative
Davis
bringing
it
to
me
because
we
were
looking
at
doing
some
other
things
too,
but
this
came
up
on
the
on
the
screen
and
what
what
it's
used
for
most
of
the
times
veterinaries.
We
use
it
because
I've
talked
to
several
before
that.
P
You
use
it
to
put
up
like
a
horse
tranquilizer
to
put
them
to
sleep,
to
do
surgery
on
them
or
even
on
cattle,
but
they're
using
it
now
to
cut
other
drugs
with
and
Narcan
doesn't
have
any
effect
on
it.
It
was
used
a
lot
in
some
some
of
the
Caribbean
countries
they're
using
it
that's
taking
it
straight
and
it
causes
a
high.
It's
also
called
the
zombie
drug,
but
it
is
just
hitting
the
market
now
and
we're
seeing
more
and
more
people
die.
We
had
eight
overdose
overdose
deaths
in
Tennessee
last
year.
P
K
K
P
The
same
same
thing-
and
one
thing
we
found
too,
is
it's
coming
through
Mexico
and
a
lot
of
other
places.
It's
also
coming
from
the
Caribbeans,
because
we
found
that
Puerto
Rico
that
it's
one
of
the
number
one
drugs
down
there
and
they're
taking
it
and
they've
had
a
lot
of
deaths
in
Puerto
Rico
with
it.
I
P
I
had
not
heard
that
in
connection
with
that,
thank.
I
A
P
And
yes,
thank
you
and
this
one
has
an
amendment
too.
Amendment
number
three.
P
All
right,
thank
you.
Just
a
note
for
the
records
too
I've
gone
completely
digital.
Now
it's
kind
of
a
trendsetter
for
the
legislature.
If
y'all
want
to
follow
me
on
that,
so
this
is
a
house
bill.
1248
is
the
elder
abuse
Financial
hotline
Bill
with
TBI
what
it
is?
We
have
500
million
dollars,
so
this
is
only
the
reported
amount
of
elderly
Financial
abuse
reported
in
Tennessee
every
year.
A
lot
of
that
number.
P
P
This
will
create
a
a
service
where
the
financial
service
provider
will
provide
information
to
the
aid
and
investigation
of
suspected
Elder
Financial
exploitation.
The
need
for
this
bill
is
to
help
prevent
scams
of
financial
exportation
for
people
that
are
65
or
older
and
vulnerable
adults.
It
will
provide
one
position
for
each
DA's
office.
That's
32
total
to
investigate
these
crimes.
K
Like
a
good
bill,
especially
because
our
senior
citizens
a
lot
of
time,
they
don't
practice
Smith
and
Wesson
they
being
taken
advantage
of.
They
are,
but
are
the
institution
the
banking
institutions
going
to
be
required
to
work
with
them
with
this
bill
with
TBI
with
the
banking
Institution?
If
they
see
something
suspicious
and
TBI
comes
to
them,
or
will
they
be
allowed
to
under
the
Privacy
Act
to
interact
with
the
TBI.
P
People
get
thank
you
Mr,
yes,
and
that's
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
this,
because
that's
where
we're
seeing
a
whole
lot
of
it
when
people
are
going
in
to
to
make
a
transaction
and
the
red
flag
goes
up,
but
we
really
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
it
right
now.
P
Now
this
way
the
financial
institution
will
be
able
to
call
TPI
and
and
direct
them
immediately
to
local
authorities
or
wherever
they
need
to
be
and
and
it'll
also
have
a
they'll
also
have
that
information
in
their
computer
that
you
know
this
is
a
type
of
scam
or
whatever
that's
running
right
now.
So
let
me
just
tell
you
briefly
one
idea
where
this
came
out
of
they
did
this
at
Oak
Ridge
kind
of
a
pilot
program.
P
A
detective
was
literally
on
speed,
dial
with
a
local
banks
and
credit
unions
in
a
10-month
period.
During
because
of
her
intervention,
she
saved
the
deposit
was
over
three
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
so
the
TPI
we've
been
working
with
director
Rouse
and
to
pull
together
a
group
for
to
make
this
concept
work
and
with
the
DA's
office,
and
hopefully
we're
going
to
be
able
to
prevent
people
from
being
financially
exported
in
Tennessee.
K
P
Well,
as
as
many
lawyers
say
and
I
know,
there's
some
up
here,
anybody
can
be
sued
for
anything,
but
but
will
it
be
liable
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
protect.
We've
had
we're
working
with
the
banking
industry
too.
We've
even
had
them
come
and
talk
to
us
about
this
bill
and
as
far
as
I
know,
unless
there's
somebody
here
that
is
against
the
on
the
banking
industry.
The
banking
industry
is
going
along
with
this
bill
and
they
think
it's
a
good
program
too
well.
K
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
sponsor,
thank
you
for
bringing
us
I
used
to
work
for
a
bank
back
in
Memphis.
It's
across
the
state,
well,
first
I
say
we'll
just
yeah,
but
the
I
had
a
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
detail,
but
I
had
an
exact
situation
when
I
was
a
financial
service
representative,
wherever
a
period
of
maybe
half
a
year,
this
took
place
and
I
was
complete.
Eye
contacted
Adult,
Protective
Services
I
did
everything
corporate
security.
F
My
hands
were
completely
tied,
that
individual
ended
up
dying
under
very
suspicious
circumstances,
and
it's
something
that
weighs
heavily
on
me
still
to
this
day
and
I
only
wish
that
I
had
this
resource
done
and
I
can't
help,
but
think
that
person
may
still
be
alive.
So,
thank
you
all.
A
Previous
question
questions
been
called
on
the
amendment
we're
now
voting
on
Amendment
code
3806
to
attach
on
the
house
bill
1248,
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
as
opposed
the
office
Prevail.
You
adopt
your
own
house
bill
1248
as
amended
any
questions
for
the
sponsor.
Thank
you
very
much.
Question's
been
called
for
voting
to
send
House
Bill
1248
on
the
full
criminal,
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
I'm
supposed
the
eyes
were
built.
You
move
on
to
full
criminal
all.
A
Let's
see
here,
let's
go
to
item
number
seven
House
Bill
248
by
representative
mcalmon,
you're
recognized.
There
are
two
amendments
here
which
one
or
both
or
how
do
you
wish
to
proceed?
Thank.
Q
You
Mr
chairman
and
committee.
Both
of
them
do
not
rewrite
the
bill,
but
I
do
need
to
have
both
of
them
attached.
A
3602
second,
all
right
we're
going
to
have:
let's
attach
the
bill,
to
touch
the
amendment
voting
to
attach
Amendment
code
3602
on
the
house
bill
248,
those
in
favor,
say
aye
as
oppose
ice.
You
adopt
we're
now
in
House,
Bill
248
as
amended.
You
recognize.
Q
Thank
you
committee
members.
As
amended,
this
bill
makes
a
number
of
changes
to
how
crimes
involving
strangulations
are
dealt
with
in
Tennessee.
In
a
nutshell,
if
you
are
convicted
of
domestic
violence
in
the
state,
this
bill
will
make
it
a
mandatory
30-day
sentence
at
minimum.
If,
in
the
process
of
that,
you
strangle
somebody
to
the
point
of
unconsciousness,
the
D.A
will
then
be
able
to
pursue
attempted
murder
which,
right
now
they
do
not
have
that
ability
if
the
victim
of
such
strangulation
was
pregnant
at
the
time
of
the
strangulation.
Q
I
I
And
with
some
attorneys
that
feel,
like
attempted
strangulation
could
create
a
problem
with
fact
finders,
due
to
whatever
the
altercation
was,
and
especially
with
jury.
So
has
that
been
a
concern
at
all.
Q
How
I'm
understanding
it
representative
is
the
I
mean
it's:
it's
kind
of
fall
under
domestic
violence,
so
attempted
strangulation
or
strangulation.
It's
still
going
to
be
considered
domestic
violence,
which
would
enact
a
30-day
minimum
if
the
it
is
I
hate
to
say
a
successful
strangulation.
That's
when
the
attempted
homicide
would
have
fallen
to
play.
K
Mr
chairman
would
y'all
help
me
explain
this
to
me.
How
do
you
verify
attempted
strangulation
because
there's
no
marks
on
the
person
that
can
get
into
it?
He
said
she
said
kind
of
conversation.
I
can
lie
and
say.
Well
he
tried
to
strangle
me
and
you
know.
Domestic
violence
is
the
thing.
That's
really
real,
but
people
get
emotionally.
They
rely
on
each
other.
So
how
do
you
attempt
to
strengthen
somebody
and
get
charged
for
you
can't
prove
it?
Q
Oh,
that
would
be.
That
would
be
an
impressive
feat
from
over
there,
sir,
as
far
as
that
would
still
I
mean
it's
and
I'm,
not
a
law
enforcement
expert,
so
I
would
not
be
able
to
speak
to
that
and
may
not
be
able
to
speak
to
that.
But
from
my
understanding
this
is
the
to
the
Chairman's
point,
the
attempted
strangulation,
which
is
on
the
books
right
now.
K
I'll
look
for
it
I'm,
just
not
getting
it
in
my
head,
I'm
all
about
the
bill,
I'm,
just
not
getting
the
attempted
part
in
my
head.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right,
because
these
are
serious.
It's
a
serious
stuff
when
it
comes
to
domestic
violence
Etc,
but
it's
already
on
the
books.
We
may
have
to
tweaked
that,
but
the
temperature
regulation
that
that
that
concerns
me,
but
if
you
go
straight
strangulation,
yeah
I,
I,
understand
that
and
I
know
how
to
look
for
that.
How
to
prosecute.
For
that.
A
You,
yes,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
voting
now
to
send
House
Bill
248
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal,
those
in
favor,
say:
aye,
aye,
I,
suppose
the
eyes
Prevail
you
move
on
to
full
criminal.
Thank
you.