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House Criminal Justice Committee - March 2, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
B
A
You
very
much
members.
We
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
get
started
today.
Okay,
seeing
none.
I
have
item
number
one
on
the
calendar,
so
I'm
gonna
pass
the
gavel
to
our
vice
chairman,
but
I
also
have
bills
up
in
another
committee,
so
our
vice
chairman
is
gonna,
be
the
star
of
the
show
today.
C
A
Yes,
this
amendment
would
clarify.
A
Pardon
me,
the
amendment
does
make
the
bill.
What
we're
dealing
with
here
today
is
transparency
in
sentencing.
A
So
what
it
does
is
in
order
to
ensure
fair
and
consistent
sentencing
at
a
sentencing
hearing,
the
court
shall
place
on
record
either
orally
or
in
writing
the
following.
What
an
enhancing
or
mitigating
factors
were
considered.
If
any,
the
reasons
for
the
sentence-
and-
and
this
is
the
operative
part
for
a
sentence
of
continuous
confinement-
the
estimated
number
of
years
and
months
the
defendant
will
serve
before
becoming
eligible
for
release,
the
department
of
corrections
shall
provide
the
court
with
a
form
to
assist
in
determining
the
estimated
the
estimate
referenced
above.
A
So
when
I
was
working
with
leader
lamberth
on
his
the
original
kind
of
truth
and
sentencing
discussions,
we
were,
for
example,
able
to
talk
with
tdoc
and
get
some
averages
for
certain
offenses.
So,
okay,
if
someone
has
been
convicted
and
sentenced
to
continuous
confinement,
what's
the
average
amount
of
time
that
they
spend
incarcerated?
A
So
that's
what
this
bill
seeks
to
do
is
to
kind
of
draw
that
information
out
from
tdoc,
so
that
the
judge
at
the
time
of
sentencing
can
say,
and
an
average
person
serving
a
sentence
of
continuous
confinement
for
this
particular
offense
is
x,
trying
to
give
the
offender
some
kind
of
true
north
if
you
will-
or
at
least
some
some
idea,
but
also
give
the
victim
an
idea
of
what
that
sentence
really
means.
So
with
that
request,
passage.
C
Thank
you
chairman.
Any
questions
on
the
amendment
we
have
one
representative.
B
Lamar.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
quick
question.
So
is
it
just
to
add
transparency,
so
the
person
who's
in
trouble
will
kind
of
just
in
their
attorney
kind
of
have
some
knowledge
of
what
they
potentially
be
facing
right
chairman.
A
Curcio.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
That's
exactly
right!
So
this
is,
you
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
truth
and
sentencing
this
year
and
I
know
we've
we've
had
many
debates
in
this.
This
is
really
transparency
in
sentencing.
So
even
if
none
of
the
other
bills
that
we've
been
debating
this
year
were
ever
even
entered
or
or
if
they
you
know
pass
or
don't
pass,
this
bill
would
be
unaffected.
So
it's
just
a
transparency
and
sentencing.
You
know
the
average
person
under
this
conviction
could
expect
to
serve
x.
B
Last
question:
I
like
your
bill,
so
I'm
just
you
know,
asking
questions,
but
I
like
it
so
far.
My
next
question
is
it
doesn't
mean
that
what
they
say
the
average
is,
is
what
you
are
going
to
be
sentenced
to.
Am
I
correct.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
that
that
is
correct.
In
fact,
we
go
on
to
say
the
estimated
the
estimate
provided
is
not
a
basis
for
post-conviction
relief
or
for
direct
appeal
for
the
defendant
senate,
so
it
it
will
neither
keep
them
in
longer
or
allow
them
to
get
out
sooner.
So
if
we,
if
we
keep
the
structure
we
have
now,
where
there's
good
time
credit
there's
all
these
other,
you
know
factors
that
are
hard
to
predict,
because
I
know
we're
going
to
hear
about
it.
A
C
D
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
troublesome
by
the
time
you
try
to
factor
in
jail,
particularly
jail
sentencing
credits
for
somebody,
who's
been
sitting
in
jail
for
a
year
year
and
a
half
before
they
ever
go
to
trial,
to
get
tdoc
to
come
up
with
a
at
that
time
of
sentencing.
Have
it
by
then
I
I
don't
know
how
difficult
that's
going
to
be
I'm
in
favor
of
the
bill,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
reachable.
D
E
Representative
griffey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative
hulsey
on
your
questions.
I
I
would
say
that
my
experience
in
henry
benton
and
stewart
counties,
carroll
counties,
decatur
hardin,
is
that
there
is
a
person
from
the
local
jail
that
sits
in
court
during
both
general
sessions
in
circuit
court
and
they
have
a
printout
of
every
person,
that's
in
custody,
their
name
and
how
many
jail
credits
they
have
and
those
jail
credits
are
added
to
the
judgment
that
day
of
sentencing
when
the
judge
imposed
sentencing.
So
I
think
I
applaud
the
effort
on
this.
E
It
may
be
a
little,
maybe
some
logistics
to
roll
through,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
try
to
give
the
public
transparency
on
what
these
sentences
are,
and
my
prediction
is
once
the
public
sees
just
how
little
time
some
people
are
serving
on
some
of
these
serious
offenses
and
some
of
these
pleas
that
are
done,
that
there
will
be
quite
a
push
for
the
general
assembly
to
take
action
so
that
the
public
is
protected.
So
thank
you
for
that.
E
C
F
My
name
is
called
earlier,
but
after
a
couple
of
folks
has
talked,
I
don't
know
if
that
rule
still
applies
or
not.
I
will
say
that
you
know
if
a
truth
and
sentencing
bill
were
to
get
across
the
finish
line
this
year
that
made
sentences
100.
This
particular
calculation
becomes
extraordinarily
easy
to
do
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
the
guesswork
out
of
it.
It's
a
fantastic
bill.
I
commend
both
our
chairman
and
the
speaker
for
bringing
this
forward.
F
Folks
should
know
at
least
kind
of
a
minimum
standard
on
what
they
might
serve,
but
it'd
be
a
lot
better
circumstance
if
they
knew
exactly
what
they
would
serve.
So
I
appreciate
this
committee's
hard
work
throughout
the
year
towards
that
goal.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
carrying
this
important
legislation.
A
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
it
did
remind
me
I
was
remiss
and
not
mentioning
the
fact
that
this
speaker,
sexton
did
bring
me
this
bill.
I
know
he's
worked
very
hard
on
it.
I'm
honored
to
get
to
carry
it,
but
certainly
don't
deserve
all
the
credit
for
the
for
the
concept
so
happy
to
happy
to
do
this.
On
behalf
of
my
speaker,.
C
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
no
bill
that
we'll
ever
come
up
with
will
be
perfect,
but
I
do
appreciate
leader,
lambert,
speaker,
sexton,
jeremy,
curcio
and
those
that
are
working
on
truth
and
sentencing,
and
I
think
it's
a
great
start.
We
may
have
to
make
some
changes
along
the
way,
but
I'm
grateful
for
it.
So
if
there's
none,
we've
got
one
more
representative,
hardaway.
G
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
that,
yes,
that
is
correct.
This
does
not
bind
tdoc
in
any
way.
It
simply
is
meant
to
give
the
offender
also
the
victims,
an
estimate.
You
know
the
average
person
serving
an
average
sentence
for
this
could
expect
to
serve
x.
G
Representative
hardaway
and
it
in
no
way
can
be
used
by
the
defendant,
not
well,
not
the
defendant,
the
convicted
individual
one
way
or
the
other
in
arguing
their
sentence,
length
of
sentence
or
any
of
the
other
issues
that
may
arise
down.
The
road
chairman
carcino.
G
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
That's
correct!
If
we
pass
whatever.
However,
the
adult
sentencing
code
looks
once
this
bill
passes,
it's
going
to
give
the
estimate.
So
if
every
sentence
becomes
100
percenter,
then
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
easy
job
for
tdoc
and
the
judge
to
say:
well,
you
you're
going
to
serve
this
and
it's
10
years
and
10
years
means
10
years.
C
Thank
you
all
right.
I
don't
think
there's
any
other
questions.
We
are
voting
on
amendment
one
four,
four,
eight,
all
in
favor
of
that
say:
aye
aye,
posers.
No
amendment
goes
on
to
the
bill.
Now
we're
back
on
the
bill
house
bill
2657,
chairman
curcio.
Do
you
have
any
more
comments.
C
C
H
H
H
In
last
year,
we
had
a
3032
total
fatal
overdoses
in
tennessee
and
66
percent
of
those
were
responsible
for
contamination
with
fentanyl
fentanyl
has
been
found
in
counterfeit
prescriptions.
Illicit
opioids
stimulants
is
very
cheap
and
it
extends
the
effect
of
of
many
of
the
drugs
that
are
taken.
This
bill
would
exempt
fentanyl
strips
from
the
definition
of
drug
paraphernalia
in
tennessee
law
and
fentanyl
strips
in
the
policy
council's
estimation
are
an
inexpensive
tool
that
brings
two
positive
results
from
detecting
that
contamination
of
fentanyl.
H
H
H
The
tbi,
when
this
bill
was
first
drafted,
tbi,
expressed
some
concern
about
law
enforcement,
confusion
in
charge,
making
charges
for
criminal
action
surrounding
drug
paraphernalia
and
possession
their
concern
resulted
in
this
amendment.
That
makes
the
bill.
The
amendment
does
two
things:
the
exception
to
chairman.
H
C
C
Okay,
so.
I
You
I
I
did
have
a
question
for
the
sponsor
on
this
bill.
I
I
understand
the
thinking
behind
this
and
I
do
have
some
reservations
about
it,
but.
H
Is
that
correct?
Essentially
that
is,
however,
in
the
amendment
that
was
proposed
by
the
tbi,
which
you
just
accepted.
Those
exceptions
are,
will
not
apply
in
the
presence
of
definition
of
people
that
are
charged
with
the
offense
of
manufacturing,
distributing
or
selling
controlled
substances.
H
So
those
those
charges
are
still
valid
in
possession
of
a
of
a
drug
paraphernalia
in
those
instances.
But
without
those
instances
without
those
charges
being
made,
then
just
the
possession
of
the
strips
is
is
taken
away
from
criminal,
behavior
and
criminal
charges
so
that
that's
that's
the
definition.
H
In
without
one
of
these
other
charges
being
in
place
now,
if
you
have
the
test
strips
and
you're
charged
for
the
offense
of
manufacturing,
distributing
or
selling
controlled
substances,
the
charge
of
possession
of
paraphernalia
will
still
apply
the,
but
the
the
way
the
amendment
was
written
in
each
incidence
of
possession
these.
These
three
additional
charges
still
exist.
I
H
Discussion
was
the
we.
We
have
an
escalating
situation,
we
have
a
costly
and
and
very
damaging
social
issue,
and
so
the
test
strips
have
been
found
to
be
a
very
cheap
way
of
people,
avoiding
the
death
in
the
overdose
of
of
opioid
and
several
of
the
the
I
guess
related
and
issues.
The
the
the
the
there's
there's
very
little
way.
As
I
say,
the
fentanyl
is
a
very
cheap
way
to
extend
and
intensify
the
effects
of
the
drugs
and
the
the
evidence
of
of.
H
The
fatal
overdoses
is
something
that
that,
of
course,
when,
when
people
go
out
and
and
use
recreational
drugs
or
if
they
do
have
a
habituation,
they
certainly
don't
expect
to
have
a
fatal
episode.
And
so
the
issue
is
there's
something
out
there
that
cost
you
a
dollar
a
strip.
H
You
can
test
the
material
and
what
we're
in
hopes
of
is
that
these
escalating
deaths
are
going
to
be
reduced
number
one.
Also,
if
someone
can
test
the
material
that
they're
about
to
take,
they
can
maybe
and
and
hopefully
have
a
behavior
modification,
that's
going
to
either
put
them
in
rehabilitation
or
in
some
way
steer
them
away
from
drugs.
H
So
so
that's
the
intent.
It's
and
the
the
the
whole
idea
is
to
decriminalize
merely
the
possession
and
and
drug
paraphernalia.
H
There
are
several
different
categories
of
it:
it
can
be
rolling
papers,
pipes,
bill,
crushers,
pill,
splitters,
mortar
and
pestles,
and
things
like
that-
and
this
is
just
one
that
that
currently
holds
a
criminal
charge,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
this
available.
H
H
H
It's
too
it's
to,
hopefully
under
those
two
scenarios,
reduce
more
mortal
overdoses
and-
and
you
have
to
understand
that
that
typically
their
10,
a
person
in
their
life
has
10
overdoses
for
each
fatal
overdose,
so
they've
probably
had
on
average
10
overdoses
to
drugs
before
they
get
the
one
that
kills
them,
and
so
this
that's
what
this
is
for
is
to
hopefully
reduce
those
fatal
overdoses
and
number
two
have
some
behavior
modification:
that's
either
going
to
push
them
toward
rehabilitation
or
staying
away
from
drugs,
so
this
is
not
not
just
so.
H
People
can
can
take
drugs,
I'm
assuming
that
that
and-
and
I
think
the
description
of
how
these
strips
are
used
if
you're
taking
a
drug
that
is,
is
rendered
in
a
liquid
form
and
you
prepare
it
for
injection.
The
proposed
use
of
this
is
to
use
it
before
you
do
the
injection.
H
C
I
I
You
initiate
a
traffic,
stop
you're
interviewing
the
person
that
you're
in
contact
with
you
see
fentanyl
test
strips
lying
on
the
console.
I
H
Not
not
having
done
a
lot
of
traffic
stops
recently
I'll
just
have
to
guesstimate,
but
the
the
this
is.
This
is
probable
cause
I
mean
if
you
see
any
paraphernalia,
there's
probable
cause
for
an
examination
of
the
premises,
whether
it's
a
vehicle
or
home
or
whatever,
and
if
you
determine
that
that
these
that
there's
no
evidence
of
these
three
issues
manufacturing
distributing
selling
controlled
substances,
then
specifically
for
just
the
presence
of
the
paraphernalia.
H
This
is
going
to
take
away
the
charges
for
that.
But
if
you
find
a
stash
or
a
or
evidence
that
that
in
some
way,
they're
involved
in
manufacturing,
distributing
or
selling
controlled
substances
and
and
if
there
is
a
quantity
of
drugs
there,
the
assumption
would
be
these
are
for
sale.
I
C
No,
that's,
okay.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
we've
got
the
department
of
mental
health
here
with
us
today
and
so
I'd
like
to.
If
it's
okay,
we'll
let
them
come
up
and
speak,
it
may
answer
some
of
the
questions.
If
there's
no
objection
to
that,
then
we
will
go
out
of
session
and
we'll
ask
zach,
blair
and
kirsten
villa
just
just
that:
okay
zach
blair,
yes
right
there
I'll
be
fine
state,
your
name
and
who
you're
with
for
the
record.
Thank.
J
You,
mr
chairman,
zach
blair
with
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
chairman
doggett,
to
hopefully
help
clarify
that
the
amendment
would
allow
a
paraphernalia
charge
for
individuals
that
are
also
being
charged
with
intent
or
knowingly
distributing
selling
or
manufacturing.
J
J
This
would
also
prevent
a
paraphernalia
charge
for
someone
who
only
has
the
fentanyl
test
strips
if
they
do
not
have
possession
of
a
controlled
substance.
So,
right
now,
as
we
understand
the
statute
and
as
we
know,
the
definition
is
written.
If,
if
I
was
stopped-
and
I
had
a
container
of
the
fentanyl
test
strips
which
are
very
easy
and
expensive
to
get
right
now-
I
could
be
charged
with
drug
paraphernalia.
J
I
J
I
C
Okay:
next,
we
have
representative
griffey.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
I
just
want
to
get
clarification
from.
I
know
we
have
the
department
of
mental
health
here.
Maybe
we
got
department
of
health
department,
of
safety
and
tbi.
Here
is
the
state
of
tennessee
providing
any
additional
items
that
may
be
intended
to
reduce
drug
abuse
or
overdoses
or
something
other
than
knox
alone.
E
J
We
do
use
a
decent
amount
of
money
for
naloxone
absolutely
as
far
as
the
other
things.
I
know
that
there
are
other
programs
throughout
state
government
that
deal
with
certain
harm
reduction
methods.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
that
we
fund
or
contribute
to.
J
I
know
that
a
few
years
ago
there
was
an
exchange
needle
exchange
legislation
that
did
pass
in
the
state,
but
I
believe
that
is
under
the
auspices
of
the
department
of
health
when
it
when
it
comes
to
that,
but
we
the
only
thing
that
we,
I
know
that
we
distribute
widely
and
regularly
is
as
naloxone
or
commonly
referred
to
as
narcan
representative.
C
C
B
Thank
you
and
I
was
going
to
ask
to
speak
to
him
too,
so
you
can
kind
of
race
me
off
the
question
list
after
this.
But
my
question
is:
I
understand
that
we
have
an
opioid
crisis
and
crisis
where
fentanyl
is
getting
put
in
drugs
and
people.
Don't
know
it
not
sitting
here
saying
it's
okay
to
use
drugs.
I'm
not!
I
don't
agree
with
that
at
all,
but
will
this
save
lives
if
individuals
who
so
happen
to
have
a
problem
are
able
to
know
if
their
drugs
are
laced?
Yes,.
J
We
we
truly
believe
this
will
modify
behavior.
This
will
and,
and
the
only
reason,
we're
bringing
it
is
because
we
intend
for
it
to
hopefully
lower
overdose
deaths
in
the
state.
66
percent
of
all
overdose
deaths
in
2020.
J
I've
told
everybody
that
I'm
scared
to
death
to
see
what
2021
looks
like,
but
they
they
are
fentanyl-related
and
the
people
that
are
dying
are
the
ones
that
don't
know
that
they
are
taking
something
that
is
not
even
opioid-related,
but
fentanyl
is
present
in
there
and
in
order
to
save,
hopefully
just
one
life,
someone
that
is
trying
to
determine
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
take
something
that
can
kill
them
immediately
is
is
what
we're
looking
to
try
to
accomplish
here.
Representative
lamar.
B
Last
question.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
your
indulgence.
My
last
question
is:
if
someone
would
this
allow
someone
who
feels
like
their
drugs
are
being
laced,
be
able
to
find
that
out
and
report
it
by
having
this
information?
Absolutely
thank
you.
C
Any
other
questions
absolutely
then
I
won't
no.
I'm
just
kidding
chairman
doggy
go
ahead.
I
Thank
you,
my
colleague
from
shelby
county
just
said
something
that
made
me
think.
Is
there
if
you
use
the
test
strips
you
find
out
that
your
drugs
are
laced?
Is
there
any
immunity
to
that
when
you
go
to
law
enforcement.
J
So
so
chairman,
I
would
imagine
if,
if
someone
took
a
fentanyl
test
strip,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
would
have
possession
of
the
controlled
substance
when
they
identified
that
to
someone
potentially,
but
I
would
assume
that
would
be
something
that
they
might
want
to
know,
because
we
we
continue
to
be
overrun
with
this
substance
and
if
people
that
can
do
something
about
it,
know
that
it's
there
and
know
where
to
go
to
get
it
to
hopefully
eliminate
it
from
the
supply.
That's
that's
killing
us.
We
hope
that's
that
will
lead
to
that.
Absolutely.
I
I
do
I
do
recognize
the
issue
with
I
mean
it
is.
You
know,
I've
had
constituents
that
have
in
the
last
few
months
that
have
passed
away
from
you
know
different,
I
mean
we
all
have,
but
just
me
you
know
I
you
know
we've
had
conversation
before
I
just.
I
have
an
issue
with
this.
It
feels
like
we
are
promoting
or
enabling
in
a
way
by
doing
this,
and
I
would
love
to
see
enhancements
as
far
as
in
law
enforcement
and
prevention
and
detection
of
these
drugs,
because
it
is
a
major
issue.
I
We
know
where
it's
coming
from.
We
know
how
it's
getting
here,
but
we
don't
have
the
numbers.
Our
law
enforcement
are
running
around
the
clock.
They're
short-handed
short
staffed
doing
the
best
that
they
can
with
the
funds
that
they
have
available,
and
I
would
really
love
to
see
increased
funding
for
additional
officers.
I'd
love
to
see
people
going
into
that
profession.
It
is
a
calling
to
go
in
law
enforcement,
but
I
would
love
to
see
that
I
think
that
is.
I
If
we're
going
to
fight
it,
it's
going
to
we've
got
to
go
on
the
offensive
and
not
the
defensive.
I
don't
think
that
we
should
take
reactionary
measures.
We
need
to
be
out
there
on
the
front
end
and
going
after
these
folks.
So
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
I
I
still
just
have
you
know
my
reservations
and
about
the
bill,
but
I
I
appreciate
your
sincerity
and
your
your
zeal
both
of
you
and
what
you're
trying
to
do.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
clarify
who's,
providing
these
test
strips
and
or
any
state
tax
dollars
used
to
provide
these
test
strips.
J
This
bill
does
not
address
any
distribution
purchase
or
provision
of
these
strips;
it
simply
takes
them
out
of
the
paraphernalia
definition
the
these
are
not
being
distributed
now
because
they
are
not
considered
legal
and
it
would
be
inappropriate
to
do
so.
D
E
So
if
we
pass
this
bill,
whether
it's
a
public
or
private
entity
that
may
be
providing
these
test
strips,
it
will
be
so
that
people
can
test
their
drugs
to
see
whether
they've
got
fentanyl
in
it
or
not.
And
if
it's
got
fentanyl
I
guess
they
wouldn't
do
it.
Maybe
they
would
still
do
it
or
you
know
maybe
they're.
E
Maybe
the
fentanyl
is
being
used
as
a
substitute
for
heroin,
because
the
price
is
so
much
cheaper
and
they
can
get
a
bigger
high
off
the
fentanyl.
The
thing
so
aren't
we
kind
of
like
helping
people
out,
get
a
bigger
high,
make
sure
their
drugs
are
quality
and
assisting
the
dealers
and
so
forth.
J
C
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
If
not,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
In
some
of
the
cities,
the
major
cities
across
the
united
states.
We
see
that
some
of
their
localities
have
made
available
needles
and
different
things
for
drug
users.
Would
you
would
you
classify
what
what
this
bill
does
in
the
same
category
as
that.
J
No
sir,
I
would
not
and
the
reason
why
those
are
specifically
and
and
understand
that
there
there's
controversy
and
there's
value
and
there
are
downsides
to
providing
those,
but
this
particular
item
does
not
assist
someone
in
consuming
the
product
or
the
drug.
This
is
simply
an
identification,
and
I
think
that's
the
big
distinction
between
this
and
some
of
the
other
measures
that
people
have
talked
about
in
the
in
the
harm
reduction
realm.
J
C
I
mean
we
know
they
use
dirty
needles.
We
know
that
they
they'll
boil
I've.
Actually,
I've
had
drug
addicts
in
my
family
and
I've
actually
seen
them
boil
different
types
of
things
and
just
shoot
it
up
between
their
toes
and
between
their
their
fingers
and
anywhere
that
they
could
shoot
it
up.
And
so
do
you
think,
and-
and
I
want
you
to
look
deep
inside
of
you
and
and
say:
do
you
think
that
that
would
make
a
difference
to
a
drug
addict,
that's
needing
a
fix.
C
J
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
chairman
sexton,
so
brown
university
did
a
study.
A
few
years
ago
took
a
group.
It
was
a
small
group
of
young
people
that
were
known.
Drug
users
gave
them
these
fentanyl
test
strips
77
of
the
people
that
were
provided
the
test
strips
used
them.
50
percent
received
a
positive
result
for
fentanyl
when
using
that,
and
also
about
70
percent
of
people
modify
their
behavior
as
a
result
of
a
positive
test.
C
We're
not
talking
about
a
controlled
environment
where
you
take
50
or
100
drug
addicts,
and
you
put
them
in
a
controlled
environment
to
where
they
know
that
they're
going
to
be
taken
care
of.
I
guess
I
don't
know,
did
the
professors
go
out
on
the
street
or
or
did
they
do
this
in
a
city
inside
a
university?
I
don't
know
what
the
circumstances
of
the
study
was.
J
C
C
That
natural
environment
that
you're
talking
about
is
wherever
that
they
are
yes,
sir,
but
the
data,
the
data-
I
I
think
it's
suspect
and
the
reason
I
think
it's
suspect
is
because
that
if
I'm
a
drug
user
and
they're
going
to
give
me
something
and
then
I'm
going
to
try
to
give
them
something,
that's
going
to
make
the
data
be
the
way
they
want
it
to
be.
I'm
not
saying
that
it
is
I'd.
C
I
think
some
of
these
studies
are
good,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
base
legislation
off
of
some
study
that
was
done.
I
think
it
needs
more.
I
I
too
am
concerned,
not
I.
If
I
had
a
loved
one,
I
would
certainly
want
them
to
use
it.
I'd
take
that
chance,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
promoting
safe
drug
use,
and
we
have
that
all
the
time
and
of
course
we
want
to
promote
safe
drug
use,
but
not
illegal.
We
don't.
C
We
don't
want
to
promote
illegal
drug
use,
but
I
understand
your
intent.
I
appreciate
it,
I'm
not
in
any
way
trying
to
say
it's
a
bad
bill.
I
just
think
it's
suspect
and
it
it
could
have
unintended
consequences.
J
J
That
the
first
part
is
I'm
not
aware
of
any
incentive
that
was
provided
for
those
users
to
report
back
their
their
results
and
and
what
happened
so
that's
number
one.
The
second
thing
is
there
is
a
three-year
sunset
on
the
legislation,
and
you
have
my
word
if,
if
this
has
unintended
consequences,
if
it's
not
moving
the
needle
the
way
it
needs
to,
we
will
not
ask
for
an
extension
or
a
removal
of
the
sunset.
C
C
That's
probably
a
comment
that
needs
cleaning
up,
so
I
apologize
for
that.
But
that
is
good
to
know.
I
didn't
know
about
the
sunset,
so
I
think
that's
that
makes
the
bill
better.
So
if
there's
no
other
questions,
do
we
need
to
vote
on
them.
C
Okay,
the
amendment's
on
the
bill
on
leader,
lambert.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
only
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
carrying
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
will
say
that,
and
it's
been
a
great
discussion
back
and
forth.
The
paraphernalia
charge
is
something
that
you
rarely
see
in
court.
As
a
standalone,
I
mean
it
is
almost
always
a
tackle
to
a
different
charge.
F
I
I
appreciate
the
tbi
by
strengthening
this
bill,
to
ensure
that
any
drug
dealer,
anyone
else
that
has
these
strips
and
has
used
it
in
that
way,
can
still
be
charged
now
they're
going
to
have
bigger
fish
to
fry
with
the
felony
charges
that
they're
facing,
but
at
least
the
paraphernalia
would
still
be
there
and
to
the
chairman's
comment
earlier,
and
I
want
to
follow
up
on
that-
I'm
glad
you
said
this.
There
is
absolutely
no
safe
way
to
use
illegal
drugs.
F
However,
if
if
these
test
strips
are
at
least
available
to
folks
they'll
know
what
type
of
risk
they're
taping
taking,
I
think
many
of
them
are
probably
going
to
ignore
it
and
just
go
right
on
and
use
whatever
drug
they
get
their
hands
on.
But
I
think
some
of
the
folks
that
we've
seen
overdose
in
our
community
have
not
degraded
to
that
point
in
their
addiction
and
they
think
they
can
still
control
that
dangerous
drug.
That
they're
ingesting.
F
It's
probably
going
to
save
a
few
lives.
I
mean
I
can't
tell
you
it's
going
to
have
a
massive
impact,
but
we've
lost
so
many
thousands
of
tennesseans
to
me,
at
least
for
this
particular
bill.
It's
worth
a
shot
to
say:
look
if
you
want
to
get
a
test
trip
somewhere
buy
it
borrow
it
get
it
from
somebody,
we're
not
paying
for
it
through
the
state,
and
I
hope
we
don't
ever,
but
if
they
want
to
get
it
from
somebody
and
test
that
drug
at
least
they
can
avoid
fentanyl,
which
is
killing
so
many
people.
F
Right
now
now
to
me,
they
ought
to
avoid
all
this
junk
and
keep
this
poison
out
of
their
bodies,
because
eventually
they're
going
to
end
up
overdosing
on
something
else
and
killing
themselves,
but
that's
kind
of
just
for
what
it's
worth
just
wanted
to
put
a
few
comments
out
there
as
to
why,
for
me
anyways,
it
seemed
like
a
good
piece
of
legislation.
C
Thank
you,
leader,
chairman
russell.
D
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
gotta
comment
on
this.
I
think
where
this
is
going
to
have
an
effect,
the
primary
goal
is
going
to
be
to
save
lives
and
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
and
who
is
going
to
help
the
most
is
the
parents
and
family
members
of
drug
dealers,
because
you
can
attach
fentanyl
to
prescription
medication,
drugs
or
candy
food
and
anything
else
it
can
bond
with
so
sponsor.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
I'll
be
glad
to
vote
for
it.
Thank
you.
C
D
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
committee,
right
now
in
tennessee
we
have
criminal
asset
forfeiture
for
trafficking,
both
trafficking
of
narcotics
and
sex
trafficking
and
involuntary
servitude.
What
this
bill
does
is
expand
that
3913
to
include
sexual
offenses
that
this
committee
last
year
deemed
as
grave
and
those
are
rape,
aggravated
rape,
rape
of
a
child
aggravated
rape
of
a
child,
and
then
I
added
one
more
commission
of
terrorism
as
to
that
as
well.
So
what
this
does?
I
mean
we've
already
deemed
that
sex
trafficking
is
bad,
we're
trying
to
crack
down
on
it.
D
C
C
Next
on
the
docket
is
house
bill,
2415
by
representative
smith.
We
have
a
motion
in
the
second
representative
smith.
You
are
recognized,
but,
however,
you've
got
a
amendment.
That's
followed.
C
Motion
on
the
amendment
seconds
so
we're
voting
on
the
amendment
and
all
in
favor,
say
aye
posers
know.
The
amendment
goes
on
to
the
bill:
you're
free
to
speak
on
the
bill.
All
right.
K
Thank
you
for
those
who
have
made
this
bill
a
better
bill
as
it's
traveled
through
the
subcommittee
and
I've
been
working
with
a
juvenile
court
judge
in
hamilton
county
currently
in
code,
harassment,
stalking
and
aggravated
stalking
is
already
identified.
It's
already
stratified,
as
in
some
cases
a
misdemeanor,
a
misdemeanor,
some
a
classy
felony
depending
on
the
aggravation
or
if
it
involves
a
sex
offender.
K
What
we
have
done
in,
if
you
look
at
the
bill
or
or
look
at
the
amendment,
it
adds
a
one,
a
minimum
one
thousand
dollar
fine
to
an
adult
who
is
convicted
of
a
harassment,
stalking,
a
harassment
charge.
A
stalking
charge
will
have
a
two
thousand
dollar
minimum
fee.
K
That
follows
it
as
well
as
a
twenty
five
hundred
dollar
fee
with
those
who
are
convicted
of
aggravated
talking,
but
there's
a
new
section
of
code
that
includes
an
adjudicated
delinquent.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
for
clarification,
so
this
is
pretty
much
tightening
up
the
rules
around
stalking
and
social
media.
Am
I
correct.
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
it
it's
not
tightening
the
rules.
It's
basically
equipping
the
prosecutors
to
to
to
leverage
the
fact
that
it's
currently
a
crime
of
record,
meaning
that
you're
charged,
but
there's
no
penalty,
that
other
than
a
crime
of
record
in
the
sentencing,
and
this
allows
the
judge
to
to
attach
to
an
adult
a
a
fine
of
a
thousand
to
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
and
then
to
an
a
to
a
a
delinquent.
K
There
is
no
such
reference
in
code
to
a
delinquent
where
my
heart
is,
and
if
the
chairman
would
indulge
me,
there's
a
medical
middle
school
student
in
hamilton
county
that
was
attacked
in
a
middle
school
bathroom
and
she
was
swarmed.
Pictures
were
taken,
they
were
put
on
social
media
and
and,
and
that
case
is
ongoing.
This
is
again
this
wouldn't
this
would
not
apply,
but
this
would
hopefully
equip
prosecutors
to
disincentivize
bad
behavior
of
the
worst
kind.
But
thank
you
ma'am.
B
Thank
you.
I
think
that
I
like,
where
you're
going,
because
my
generation
is
very,
very
heavy
on
social
media.
I
mean
we
do
everything
on
social
media,
but
I
often
times
have
been
a
victim
of
people
constantly
stalking
you
harassing
you
sending
up
just
mean
things
in
your
dms
and
things
like
that,
but
there's
not
a
real
way
to
hold
them
accountable.
B
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members.
Hb
457
is
a
short
and
simple
bill.
Currently
the
code
requires
that
bail
be
paid
to
the
clerk
of
the
court
only
in
cash.
C
Questions
yes,
representative,
halsey.
D
I
am
glad
you're
successful
at
this
kind
of
thing.
I
tried
to
get
a
bill
that
said
that
you
can't
refuse
cash
and
now
you're
you're
you're
going
other
ways,
but
I
I
I
wish
you
success.
I
I
don't
understand,
maybe
you
don't
either.
I
don't
know
the
the
physical
note
on
the
thing
says
that
it
decreases
local
expenditures,
1.9
million
dollars.
How
does
that
work?
To
be
quite
honest,
I
am
not
totally
sure
myself.
I
D
The
employees
in
the
court
who
were
who
normally
take
cash
that
would
also
be
taking
these
these
forms
of
payment.
I
Represent
docket
will
they
be
assessing
additional
fees
for
I've?
I've
learned
in
the
last
several
months
that
which
I've
known
for
a
while,
but
I
didn't
really
understand
the
full
impact
of
what
credit
cards
and
debit
cards
what
they
there's
fees
that
the
persons
who
take
those
forms
of
payment
incur
for
that.
So,
let's
say
for
instance,
if
they
were
to
receive
a
hundred
dollars
it
would.
They
would
actually
only
end
up
receiving
maybe
97,
because
there's
a
card
fee
associated
with
with
that.
I
Chairman
this
is
not.
This
is
permissive.
This
is
not.
They
shall
take
these
forms.
This
is
permissive.
They
may
take
forms.
D
It
is
not
mentioned,
it
is
not
listed
as
permissive
now.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
make
a
change
like
that.
If
you
know,
if
it,
you
know,
if
it
pleases,
the
committee.
I
I
Are
there
instances
where
bail
is
returned
and
if
so,
then
would
clerks
end
up
or
it's
paid
out
different
ways.
It
gets
applied
to
fees
and
fines,
maybe
depending
on
the
the
type
and
then
they
they
end
up
losing
money.
This
way,
I
I
think
you
know
if
it's
mandated,
if
we're
mandating
that
they
do
this
and
they
take
it
they're
going
to
be
losing
money.
I
D
Again
it
I'm
sure
there
would
be
some.
You
know
they
would
be
assessed
the
fee
that
they
normally
are
for
these.
D
If
it
I
know
it's
a
fairly
small
fee,
but
but
it
I
understand,
it
would
be
there
and
if
it
please,
the
committee
I'll
I'd
be
happy
to
tack
on
an
amendment
whether
you
go
out
of
this
committee
or
whether
you
would
prefer
I'll
row
it
to
to
the
next
week.
I
You
be
opposed
to
rolling
in
a
week
to
maybe
address
that
check
with
the
clerks
and
and
see
how
this
would
affect
them.
If
they
may
come
back
and
say,
it'll
have
no
effect
on
us
whatsoever
and
there's
no
need
for
an
amendment
like
that.
But
you
know,
are
you
opposed
to
rolling
in
a
week
just
to
get
that
clarification
and
need
an
amendment
to
do
so?
Maybe
make
it
permissive
as
well
sure
I
can
do
that.
Thank.
C
You
before
you
do
that
I'd,
like
chairman
russell
to
speak.
D
Thank
you
chairman.
I
noticed
personal
checks
wasn't
in
the
bill,
would
they
still
be
allowed
to
pay
by
personal
check?
You
know
it's.
I
I
had
thought
of
that.
I
mean
it's
we're
trying
to
make
this
a
little
bit
easier,
we're
not
trying
not
to
inconvenience
the
the
personnel
at
the
courts
and-
and
I
would
think
that
a
personal
check
might
be
a
little
bit
more
cumbersome
than
other
means
chairman
russell.
D
E
Griffey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
would
suggest
you
roll
this
a
week.
I
don't
think
I
could
vote
for
it
as
is,
but
if
you'll
add
a
provision
in
there
that
says
the
local
clerks.
Anybody
that
accepts
credit
card
payments,
debit
card
payments
gets
to
charge
a
fee,
an
additional
fee
to
cover
that
fee
that
the
clerk
or
somebody
uses
because
visa
and
all
these
other
places
they
as
part
of
their
contract.
They
say
the
vendor.
The
clerk,
whoever
it
is,
is
using
the
visa
machine.
They
have
to
accept
those
fees.
E
They
generally
can't
put
those
back
on
the
person.
That's
doing
the
transaction
unless
it's
explicitly
clear
on
the
front
end,
so
I
would
suggest
maybe
rolling
it
a
week
and
add
that
and
the
problem
with
the
personal
check
is
somebody
wants
to
get
out
on
bond
that
day.
A
personal
check
may
take
three
days
to
clear
unless
it's
one
of
the
instantaneous
check,
processing
payment
systems
and
again
those
charge
an
additional
fee
for
that
instant
access
to
the
money.
So
that
would
be
my
my
thoughts
on
it.
D
I
let
me
go
back
and
assess
all
these
requests
and
I
can
come
back
next
week
with
a
new
with
with
some
amendments.
Some
changes
to
the
bill.
C
So
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
sponsor
and
pleasure
of
this
committee,
then
we'll
roll
this
bill
one
week,
okay,.
C
Bills:
road
one
week:
okay,
we've
got
one
other
bill
and
that's
house
bill
1321
by
representative
hardaway
have
a
motion
in
a
second
representative
hardaway.
You
also
have
two
amendments.
One
came
up
from
the
subcommittee
and
the
other
one
is
a
new
commitment
amendment.
Do
you
want
to
you
want
both
of
these
amendments
or
do
you
want
to
choose
one.
C
The
and
the
other
one
is
one
four,
three,
four
four.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
one
that
came
up
from
subcommittee
is
going
to
be
the
same
as
the
one
one,
four
three
four
four,
except
that
it
adds
back
in
the
concept
of
community
terrorism,
which
y'all
have
heard
me
talk
about
for
about
four
or
five
years
now,
and
I
did
not
intend
to
amend
it
out
and
once
it
was
brought
to
my
attention.
G
C
I
Mr
chairman,
I
do,
and
I
appreciate
my
colleague
and
his
work
he
has
been
working
on
this
bill
for
quite
some
time.
However,
this
amendment
is
different
substantially
from
what
we
passed
out
of
the
subcommittee,
and
so
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
my
colleague
would
consider
maybe
moving
this
bill
back
to
subcommittee.
If
he
chooses
to
proceed
with
this
amendment,.