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House Criminal Justice Committee - February 23, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
B
A
You,
madam
clerk
members,
any
personal
orders
before
we
get
started
today,
seeing
none
we
will
get
right
to
it.
Then
we
are.
We
have
a
calendar
before
us.
I
do
have
an
announcement
item
number
two
house
bill
2657,
which
is
actually
being
carried
by
me,
we'll
roll
one
week
so
rolled
one
week,
all
right.
That
brings
us
back
to
item
number
one
house
bill
2656
by
chairman,
holsey,
chairman
holze,
you
are
recognized.
C
A
Chairman
holze,
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
two
that
were
filed.
I
think
the
one
you
want
to
move
is
coded
one,
four,
zero.
Five,
nine
is
that
correct.
That
is
correct.
All
right.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
that
amendment
and
it
looks
like
the
amendment
makes
the
bill.
It
does
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
that
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
have
you
explain
either
bill
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
zero,
five
to
house
bill.
2656,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
that
was
opposed.
C
C
It
accomplishes
what
I've
dealt
with
for
years
in
the
police
department,
before
I
retired,
and
what
what
victims
families
have
dealt
with
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
that's
when
a
judge
gives
a
sentence
or
a
jury
gives
a
sentence
and
the
family
who's
left
behind.
To
pick
up
the
debris
asks:
when
is
this
this
guy
going
to
get
out
of
prison?
Nobody
can
give
them
an
answer.
C
The
district
attorney
cannot
answer.
The
judge
cannot
answer.
The
department
of
corrections
cannot
answer
because
nobody
has
a
formula
on
how
to
figure
out
sentencing
credits
and
how
long
and
how
much
and
so
they're
very
surprised,
sometimes
if
they've
sat
in
jail
for
a
year
and
a
half
pre-trial
and
they
gain
day
for
day,
sometimes
two
for
one
and
six
months
after
the
sentence.
C
C
You
can
use
them
for
other
things
for
benefits
inside
the
penitentiary,
but
you
can
also
use
them
because,
most
of
the
time,
these
crimes
do
not
stand
alone.
They'll
have
two
or
three
other
crimes
that
go
with
them.
When
the
mandatory
hundred
percent
of
the
first
crime
is
filled,
then
sentence
credits
can
be
used
on
what's
what's
left
and
these
crimes
are
there's
23
of
them
aggravated
assault.
C
A
Thank
you,
chairman
halsey
appreciate
your
work.
I
appreciate
your
work
on
this.
I
have
a
similar
bill
not
to
not
to
go
off
topic
here
that
will
be
coming
through
committee.
That
deals
just
specifically
with
the
burglary
piece
of
this.
So
I
know
you've
worked
harder
on
this.
I
appreciate
your
efforts.
Members.
We
do
have
some
folks
on
the
list
to
testify,
but
before
we
do,
that,
does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
chairman
hulsey,
okay,.
A
A
First
on
our
list.
We
have
mr
matthew,
charles
from
fam
and
mr
charles.
I
know
you've
been
to
this
committee
several
times
if
you
want
to
stand
or
sit,
either
way,
whichever
way
you're
more
comfortable,
if
you
could,
please
just
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
share
with
this
committee,
whatever
you'd
like
you'll,
have
three
minutes
and
then
there's
unlimited
time
for
questions.
D
D
Due
to
the
fact
that
the
united
states,
prison
population
was
well
over
2.2
million
for
a
reason,
the
reason
that
it
was
overpopulated
was
the
fact
that
people
had
longer
sentences,
and
we
know
that
those
people
that
have
longer
sentences,
because
nine
million
people
are
released
from
prisons.
No,
no
9
million
people
are
released
from
jails
per
year.
D
600
000
are
released.
Let
me
get
this
fact
straight:
okay,
600
000
people
are
released
from
jail
each
year,
900
no
9
million
people
are
released
from
prisons
or
vice
versa,
since
it's
not
collect
coming
through.
But
because
of
this,
you
have
people
continually
coming
in
prison.
So
long
as
people
are
continually
coming
in
the
front
door
and
those
people
that
have
the
sentences
that
are
longer
are
still
there,
then
it
will
increase
prison
populations.
We
believe
that
it
will
affect
state
and
local
jails,
state
prisons
and
local
jails.
G
D
I
work
for
an
organization
called
fam
family's
been
around
since
1991..
That
organization
is
actually
based
in
washington
d.c
when
julie
stewart,
the
founding
member
of
fam,
created
that
organization.
It
was
because
her
brother
had
received
a
mandatory
minimum
sentence
of
five
years.
He
was
a
first-time
offender
and
he
was
given
five
years
so
in
other
words,
it
was
looping
him
in
with
the
sentence
that
someone
who
had
a
more
heinous
crime
received
the
same
time
for
and
since
then
fam
has
been
working
on
state
issues,
federal
levels.
G
H
D
We
looked
at
two
states,
the
state
of
georgia
and
the
state
of
arizona
that
both
went
this
direction,
and
it
was
founded
that
it
did
increase
rule
violation
on
the
prison.
It
did
cause
those
people
to
participate
less
in
rehabilitative
programs
that
would
have
prepared
them
for
release
and
it
didn't
deter
crime.
We
understand
that
the
data
suggests
that
longer
sentences
don't
deter
crime
or
increase
public
safety.
Sir.
I
I
I
know
that
some
of
the
information
gets
out
there
pretty
late,
sometimes
on
amendment
and
fiscal
notes
and
everything
else.
We
spend
about
1.1
billion
dollars
on
prisons
in
tennessee,
and
I
know
you've
looked
at
those
numbers.
The
specific
fiscal
number
of
this
bill
is
only
about
27
million
additional
dollars,
so
a
cintil
of
a
percentage
of
the
overall
budget.
Were
you
aware
of
the
fiscal
note
on
this
particular
bill?
I
D
I
think
when
I
was
speaking
as
to
representative
lamar's
comment,
she
was
saying
with
this
as
far
as
exceeding
or
giving
longer,
sentences
caused
more
sentences
to
be
built.
So
it
was
an
answer
to
that.
The
fact
that
you're
keeping
people
longer
automatically
logically
says
that
you
would
have
to
build
more
prisons
to
store
those
people
since
the
front
door
of
people
are
still,
you
know
open
for
them.
Coming
in.
I
Leader,
lambert-
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
in
this
particular
bill-
and
I
hoped
that
that
was
more
of
just
kind
of
a
a
larger
kind
of
amorphous
comment
on
additional
prison
population,
but
this
particular
one
deals
with
some
very
targeted
and
violent
crimes
wanted
to
also
just
kind
of
make
a
point
and
and
get
your
thoughts
on
this.
You
continue
to
say
that
the
recidivism
rate
is
not
changed
by
longer
incarceration
times.
I
D
I
don't
recall
stating
that
I
said
that
the
recidivism
rate
didn't
change.
If
they
do
longer
sentences.
I
said
that
it
would
raise,
in
other
words,
a
person
has
to
do
more
time.
The
data
shows
that,
because
they
serving
longer
on
their
sentences,
they're
more
quickly
to
res
recidivate,
that's
what
I
stated
initially.
I
Leader,
lambert,
yes,
sir,
mr,
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
that
there
are
some
individuals
who
fall
within
potent.
You
know
within
violent
crimes
and
you're
familiar
with
some
of
the
crimes.
I'm
talking
about
and
familiar
with
the
crimes
in
this
bill
that
if
those
farc
folks
are
incarcerated,
I
mean,
would
you
would
you
concede
that
it
during
the
time
that
they're
incarcerated
they're,
not
hurting
anybody
else?
I
mean
the
recidivism
rate
on
those.
Folks
is
zero
percent.
I
Literally
and
that
ms
charles
is
where
you
and
I
have
always
agreed
that
I
mean
what
we
do
with
folks
and
what
services
we
provide
to
folks
while
they're
incarcerated
is
critical,
that
those
be
very
high.
You
know
high
quality
services
and
they'll
be
available
to
everyone
and
then
how
we
transition
back
in
and
that
you
and
I
definitely
share
a
zeal
to
get
that
part
of
it
right.
I
think
we're
just
talking
about
sentence
length
in
this
one.
I
So
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
always
thank
you
for
the
gentlemanly
way
about
that.
You
describe
issues
that
are
very
passionate.
I
think
it's
rare
that
I've
seen
you
without
a
smile
on
your
face
and
we
deal
with
very
serious
issues,
but
your
gentleman,
sarah
and
a
scholar-
and
I
I
deeply
appreciate
your
testimony,
even
when
I
disagree
with
that.
Sometimes
I
still
deeply
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
D
J
J
I
think
that
there
are
some
low
level
crimes
that
people
are
spending
way
too
much
time
in
prison
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
work
of
men
of
valor
and
other
organizations
that
help
acclimate
these
prisoners
back
into
society,
helping
them
get
a
job,
helping
them
get
driver's
license,
finding
an
apartment
working
with
their
families,
getting
their
families
back
together.
So
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do.
J
I
believe
that
we
owe
it
to
the
families
of
victims
that
they
know
what
time
it's
going
to
be
spent
in
prison
for
some
of
their
loved
ones.
That
has
been
wrong
through
murders
or
whatever
that
it
might
be.
But
again
I
believe
we
do
need
reform.
I
believe
that
there
are
some
things
that
needs
to
change,
but
thank
you
for
what
you
do,
I
believe
in
truth
and
sentence.
J
A
D
D
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
people
that
are
returning
to
their
societies
that
are
going
to
be
our
neighbors
are
coming
out
a
different
person.
I'm
not
saying
how
much
time
they
should
actually
serve,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
100
of
that
forecloses
the
ears
and
hearts
of
some
of
those
that
never
had
their
ears
and
hearts
open
from
the
start.
J
J
However,
knowing
the
amount
of
time
that
you're
going
to
spend
not
living
on
that
roller
coaster
and
maybe
I'll
get
out,
maybe
I
won't.
They
know
the
amount
of
time
that
they're
going
to
spend.
They
can
spend
that
time
studying
or
learning
the
craft.
There's
there's
many
things
that
they
could
spend
that
time
doing.
I
believe
it
should
be
reduced
in
many
cases,
but
but
it
is
a
valid
point
that
you're
making
and
if
you
don't
mind
you,
you
shared
yesterday,
that
you
spent
many
years
in
prison.
Is
that
correct?
D
Yes,
sir,
I
was
given
a
35
year
for
a
non-violent
drug
offense,
that's
not
to
say
that
I
wasn't
a
valid
offender
in
the
past.
I
did
22
years
on
that
offense.
The
first
step
act
passed
signed
in
law
by
president
donald
trump.
I
ended
up
being
the
first
recipient
of
that
and
invited
to
attend
the
state
of
the
union
as
his
guest
and
since
then
I've
been
able
to
go
around
the
country.
Speaking
with
legislators
and
governors
about
the
need
for
criminal
justice
reform.
Sir.
J
J
And-
and
I'm
through
chairman
thank
you
for
indulging
this
time,
I
just
hope
everyone
heard
your
testimony.
I
think
it
is
a
powerful
testimony
you
you
were
let
out
after
22
years
because
of
president
trump,
and
you
have
made
a
difference
in
a
lot
of
people's
lives,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
and,
like
I
said,
I
hope
if
you
didn't
hear
his
testimony,
maybe
you
could
go
back
and
look
at
this
video
because
it's
a
powerful
testimony.
Thank
you,
sir.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you,
mr
charles,
for
being
here
appreciate
it
and
everyone,
I
think,
is
appreciated
and
heartfelt
that
your
personal
story
and
turning
your
life
around.
I
do
want
to
point
out,
though,
and
ask
you
if
you
agree
or
disagree,
I
think
the
statistics
do
demonstrate
that
the
united
states
saw
its
greatest
decline
in
violent
crime
around
the
same
time
that
we
impose
mandatory
minimums
for
18,
usc
924c
drug
using
the
drug
gun
in
furtherance
of
a
drug
trafficking,
crime
or
a
crime
of
violence.
C
A
L
L
L
He
was
awarded
the
clearance
day,
scholarship
at
rhodes,
and
he
was
a
leader
on
that
campus
and
in
his
fraternity
he
was
majoring
in
english,
with
a
minor
in
music
drew
was
an
accomplished
musician
and
a
singer
and
played
in
bands
at
rhodes
and
christian
brothers
high
school,
while
at
cbhs
he
was
an
award-winning
honor
student
and
a
varsity
wrestling
letterman
at
church.
He
was
an
altar
server.
He
sang
with
the
choir
and
was
very
active
in
the
youth
group.
L
L
L
A
F
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you,
sir,
for
being
here.
Thank
you
to
the
other
family
members.
I
remember
the
case.
Well,
as
you
know,
I
may
stay
rep
out
of
memphis
and
it
takes
something
special
for
you
to
have
the
courage,
in
spite
of
your
grief,
to
appear
before
the
committee
to
try
to
make
something
positive
out
of
such
a
tragic
situation.
A
M
C
F
C
Think
that
it
is
a
repetitive
crime,
because
in
order
to
fit
into
this
category,
you
have
to
have
been
convicted
of
the
same
offense
two
prior
times,
and
it
has
to
be
a
class
a
or
b
or
c
felony,
which
means
that,
if
you're,
if
you're,
charged
with
the
manufacture
or
sale
of
drugs,
that's
a
whole
lot
of
drugs
to
get
you
to
to
a
class
b
felony.
If
it
was
marijuana,
it's
300
pounds.
C
M
Well,
I
had
I
in
my
day-to-day
business
what
I
do
normally
I
had
a
young
lady.
She
had
an
issue
with
alcohol
and
she
went
to
this
store.
She
goes
to
every
corner
store,
everybody
knows
her
knew
she
was
and
she
was
drunk
the
day
she
came
in
and
that
the
one
day
she
came
in
and
she
didn't
have
any
money
and
she
threw
like
a
bottle
of
pills
on
the
counter
was
like
here.
M
She
just
had
an
alcohol
problem
that
needed
to
be
tended
to,
and
I
guess
that's
why
it
kind
of
gives
me
a
little
reservation
about
this.
I
understand
some
of
the
other,
the
other
ones,
anything
that
says
especially
or
aggravated
in
front
of
it,
and
some
of
these
are
very
violent
crimes,
but
that
particular
one
gives
me
a
little
concern
when
we
add
that
in
there.
F
C
Thank
you
in
the
bill.
It
says,
as
defined
in
3917
417,
where
the
instant
inf
offense
is
classified
as
a
class,
a
b
or
c
felony
again
her
in
her
condition
it
would,
it
would
not
be
anywhere
close
to
these.
These
are.
These
are
big
felonies
for
moving
a
lot
of
drugs,
and
it's
repetitive:
you've
had
to
had
two
convictions
that
serious
prior
to
this.
F
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
say
you're
sitting
next
to
the
speaker,
but
I
appreciate
the
speaker
and
this
and
the
presenter
of
the
bill
bringing
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
think
everybody
on
this
committee
knows
how
I
feel
about
truth
and
sentencing.
But,
mr
rainer,
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
I
met
with
you
earlier
just
before
the
committee,
and
I
told
you
that
your
words
would
matter
to
us
and
it
does,
and
I
can't
imagine
how
hard
this
has
been
when
in
2018.
I
It
matters
what
you
say
to
us:
it
matters
the
laws
that
we
pass
and
it
all
doesn't
sit
on
a
spreadsheet
or
come
out
of
a
task
force
or
a
think
tank
somewhere.
Sometimes
it
can
be
folks
like
this.
Just
stepping
up
saying:
hey
guys.
These
are
real
lives.
If
you're
on
the
fence
on
this
bill,
please
listen
to
words
that
these
folks
have
said
and
vote
for
it
because
it
matters.
What
we
put
on
the
books
down
here,
there's
always
going
to
be
outliers
out
there
of
folks
that
need
help
that
we
can
help.
I
G
G
But
there's
no
virtually
no
discussion
about
justice
for
the
victims-
and
I
was
just
sitting
here
thinking
and
looking
at
this
beautiful
couple-
that's
here
and
testified
before
us,
their
son
was
killed.
I
know
what
it
feels
like
to
lose
a
son,
not
not
like
you
did,
but
I
know
what
it
feels
like
and
I
can
empathize
with
you.
G
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
the
number
one
function
of
government
is
to
protect
the
community
and
protect
the
innocents,
and
I
think
it's
undisputed,
that
we
saw
the
largest
reduction
in
violent
crimes
in
america
when
we
had
mandatory
minimum
penalties
for
individuals
committing
violent
crimes
or
drug
crimes
with
firearms,
they
got
mandatory
minimum
sentences,
primarily
in
the
federal
system.
When
you
serve
85
percent
of
your
sentence,
regardless
no
parole
in
the
federal
system.
K
K
H
C
C
E
C
G
Thank
you
for
clarification,
and
so
folks
on
the
budget
committee
may
realize
education
and
health
care
are
one
and
two
you've
got
transportation.
You've
got
other
safety
departments
and
the
1.2
billion
dollars
with
incorrections,
although
it
is
a
substantial
amount
of
the
52
billion
budget,
we're
looking
at
it's,
it's
top
10,
it's
not
top
two.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
While
I
am,
I
think
these
are
some
of
the
most
egregious
crimes
and
I
don't
take
those
lightly.
I
am
concerned
about
on
my
heart
the
fact
that
we're
steady,
increasing
prison
populations
and
the
prison
cost,
and
we
could
reallocate
that
same
with
the
from
my
understanding.
They
can
serve
this
amount
of
time
anyway,
but
we
can
take
so
much
more
of
that
money
and
invest
in
preventative
measures.
So
no
one
even
has
to
get
here
in
the
first
place
and
and
I'm
not
a
no,
but
I'm
not
definitely
not
a
yes.
E
I
just
have
a
lot
of
heartburn
about
the
fact
that
we
are
furthering
increasing
this
prison
population
and
there
are
so
many
different
other
ways
and
avenues
we
can
take
to
prevent
violent
crime,
and
so
I'm
just
wanting
to
put
that
out
there.
What
are
my
sentiments
are
as
someone
who
y'all
know,
I've
been
trying
to
work
hard
for
the
last
couple
of
weeks
on
violent
gun,
violence
issues.
It's
it's
a
big
issue,
it's
a
problem,
but
I
don't
know
if
this
is
all
the
way,
the
way
to
attack
that.
E
N
N
So
the
question
is:
what's
a
life
worth?
What's
the
value
on
a
life
on
a
criminal
justice
system
that
only
gives
somebody
less
than
18
months
for
14
years
of
criminal
history?
Some
of
that
was
non-violent.
We
get
it,
we
understand
it,
but
not
all
of
it
and
as
we
sit
here
and
we
talk
about
increasing
prison
populations
and
what
the
cost
is.
N
N
But
almost
always
an
individual
doesn't
start
out
committing
a
violent
crime,
sometimes
there's
crimes
of
passion
that
start
off
that
way.
But
if
you
look
chairman
holes,
holzey
sitting,
there
was
in
law
enforcement.
I
guarantee
you.
It
starts
off
as
petty
theft
and
it
builds
up
and
it
goes
and
it
goes
and
it
goes
and
they've
had
ample
opportunity
to
turn
their
lives
around
and
they
just
didn't
want
to,
and
so
as
a
state.
Do
we
sit
here
and
say
you
know
what
we
want
people
to
be
rehabilitated.
N
We
want
to
help
you
get
over
your
addictions
or
your
mental
health
issues,
but
if
you
create-
or
you
commit
certain
crimes
aggravated
especially
aggravated
second-degree
murder,
why
are
we
sitting
here?
Dishonoring
the
memories
of
those
victims
and
their
families
by
letting
someone
who
committed
aggravated
burglary
get
out
at
an
estimated
at
1.5
years
in
our
state
they
get
out
in
1.5
years,
on
average.
N
And
so,
as
we
sit
here
and
debate
this,
this
isn't
about
not
having
compassion.
This
is
about
having
compassion
for
the
victims
for
the
families,
but
also
having
compassion
for
the
person
who
committed
the
crime.
Sometimes
the
best
deterrent
is
a
swiss
stick
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
want
to
commit
it.
N
N
A
A
A
J
A
O
O
I'm
sorry.
I
got
caught
up
with
that,
if
you're
convicted
of
first
degree
murder
under
current
law,
a
person
convicted
of
first-degree
murder
for
the
killing
of
another
person
in
preparation
or
attempted
preparation
of
rape,
rape
of
a
child
or
aggravated
rape
of
a
child
must
be
sentenced
to
death
life
imprisonment
without
parole
or
imprisonment
for
life.
This
piece
of
legislation
takes
the
lesser
of
those
charges
imprisonment
for
life
off
the
sentencing,
so
you
would
be
much
in
the
story
of
drew
earlier.
O
A
M
O
A
A
Okay,
no
further
discussion
question
has
been
called
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2269
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
I
I
those
opposed
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
five
house
bill
1907
by
chairman,
kiesling,
chairman
kiesling.
You
recognize
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
thank
you.
C
P
We
feel
we
fail
10,
as
we
feel
now
that
by
removing
any
financial
bearers
that
we
can
help,
first-time
offenders
get
their
life
back
on
track.
This
bill
would
eliminate
the
100
application
fee
for
diversionary
program
for
first-time
offenders.
Now,
please
note
diversion
is
exclusively
for
individuals
with
no
prior
convictions.
P
I
Chairman,
mr
chairman,
good
to
see
you
again
today
obviously
support
the
bill
be
voting
for
it.
I
was
going
to
file
an
amendment
on
this
bill
due
to
the
holiday.
I
don't
believe
I
got
it
in
on
time
and
so
I'll
be
withdrawing
that
amendment
and
handling
that,
through
a
budget
amendment
later
on
hoping
to
get
four
additional
expungement
positions
for
the
tbi
they
they
really
need
it,
whether
this
available
to
pass
or
not,
I
mean
they're,
understaffed
and
underfunded.
I
Right
now,
at
the
tbi
and
again
I
reiterate,
with
this
committee,
I
was
invited
over
to
tour
their
facility,
specifically
the
expungement
division,
and
I
would
encourage
every
member
of
this
committee
to
do
so.
They
are
wonderful
people
that
work
all
day
long
just
on
expungements
and
so
really
neat
to
see
the
ins
and
outs
of
how
that
works,
but
I'll
be
doing
that
in
a
budget
amendment.
So
I
just
wanted
to
announce
that
publicly
that
you
know
withdrawing
any
amendment
of
that
nature.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation,
any
discussion,
seeing
none
any
objection
to
the
question,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
sending
house
bill
1691
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
seven
house
bill
1922
by
representative
hicks,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I
see
an
amendment
coded
13839.
A
A
R
This
bill
was
brought
by
their
attorney
general
in
washington
county
and
it
prohibits
sex
or
sexual
offenders,
violent
sexual
offenders
or
violent
juvenile
sexual
offenders
to
knowingly
rent
or
offer
to
rent
a
swimming
pool,
hot
tub
or
other
bodies
of
water
for
use
for
swimming
that
is
located
on
property,
owned
or
leased
by
the
offender
or
otherwise.
Under
the
control
of
the
offender.
A
R
Representative
hicks,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
it
is
in
our
district.
This
has
been
going
on
where
sexual
offenders
are
actually
renting
out,
lacing
out
their
swimming
pool
or
hot
tub
for
things
like
birthday
parties
and
such
so
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
and-
and
we
thought
it
was
time
to
do
something
about
that.
Yeah,
chairman
doggett,.
F
R
Hicks,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Well,
we
wouldn't
know
whether
they
was
staying
there
or
not,
but
I
would
imagine
that
that
would
be
the
whole
object
of
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
probably
staying
there
and,
and
you
know
we
don't,
we
don't
really
feel
like.
We
want
grandma
mom
grandpa.
We
don't
want
anybody
there
during
that
time.
So
that's
reason
you
know
it's
it's
not
specifically
for
children,
but
but
yes,
they're,
probably
staying
there.
F
R
K
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
Is
it
safe?
Is
it
safe
to
say,
or
do
you
know,
have
there
been
any
criminal
offenses
conducted
as
a
result
of
this?
Yet
that
is
a
sex
offender
done
something
to
some
child
or
some
other
person
as
a
as
part
of
this
ranting
out,
do
you
know
if
there's
been
any
observation,
you
know
if
you
know.
R
K
It
is
probably
safe
to
say
that
your
attorney
general
probably
feels
like
his
hands
are
tied.
He
can't
do
anything
unless
there's
a
law
that
prevents
this
from
going
on,
so
he's
got.
No
will
no
way
to
really
investigate
that
and
determine
whether
somebody's
you
know
doing
something
illegal
or
inappropriate.
Regarding
this
activity.
R
Representative
hicks,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
that
is
the
fact
because
in
this
instance,
there
there
is
a
contract
probably
signed
by
the
parent.
That's
the
reasoning,
part
of
the
bill
that
it
takes
the
parent
liability
away
from
the
parents.
So
so,
when
that
happens,
yes,
we
we
have
to
create
a
law
to
try
to
fix
this
issue.
Representative
griffin,
thank
you.
K
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
trying
to
get
clear
in
my
head
here
is:
would
it
be
offense
against
this
bill
if
it
passes,
if
the
offender's
not
there
he's
not
home,
and
he
he
rents,
this
swimming
pool
in
his
backyard
to
a
birthday
party
gonna
go
on
for
three
families,
gonna
get
together
and
swim
and
he's
not
even
there.
That
makes
him
guilty.
Even
though
he's
not
present
right.
A
And
I
actually
have
a
question
along
those
lines
and
I
just
I
just
wasn't
clear
on
it.
So
if
there's
someone
who's
on
the
registry,
who
owns
a
hotel,
for
example,
and
that
hotel
is
a
swimming
pool-
is
that
I
mean
it's
not
where
they
live,
it's
it's
it's
an
investment
that
they
have
or
business
that
they
have.
I'm
sure
that's
unusual,
and
but
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
would
that
be
an
offense
under
this
bill,
you're
recognized.
R
K
R
Opens
up
a
lot
of
areas
here:
we've
talked
about
horse
riding
stables.
We've
talked
about
all
different
kinds
of
ways
that
these
folks
can
figure
out
ways
to
get
to
children
and
families.
So
this
is
something
that
I
know
in
the
in
the
I've
heard
that,
during
the
in
the
future,
they're
going
to
be
rewriting
a
lot
of
this
law-
and
that
is
all
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
when
this
is
done.
Okay,
very
good.
P
A
A
A
Make
sure
I
get
it
right,
one
three,
three,
seven
six
is
that
the
one
you
wish
to
move
forward
with?
Yes,
sir,
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment
you
are
recognized.
The
amendment
does
make
the
bill
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
that
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
13376
to
house
bill
1459,
please
signify
by
saying
I
was
opposed.
You
adopt.
You
recognize,
sir.
Thank.
S
S
That
is
the
essential
facts
I
just
would
note.
One
other
item
is
that
in
the
united
states,
tennessee
is
ranked
number
five
in
the
nation
when
it
comes
to
deaths
after
domestic
violence
events
and,
of
course
we
would
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
this
doesn't
happen
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
so
we're
asking
support
of
this
bill
moving
forward.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
one
thing
you're
exactly
correct
right
now:
under
existing
law,
you
you
have
to
stay
incarcerated
for
12
hours
on
a
domestic
violence.
You've
been
arrested
for
before
you
get
out
and-
and
you
you
think,
another
12
hours
is
a
benefit,
but
this
is
going
to
be
decided
by
the
magister
right
doesn't
force
him
to
do
it.
If
he
thinks
the
circumstance
stances
are
there
that
he
needs
it.
He
can
do
it
and
is
that
the
way
the
bill
reads?
That
is
correct?
Okay,
thank
you.
M
Representative
hakeem,
I
think
I've
seen
situations
where
12
hours
just
may
not
be
enough
for
someone
to
relocate
or
find
solace
in
in
another
place.
I
think
24
hours
does
help
someone,
especially
when
you
I've
seen
people
may
have
their
support
system
may
live
out
of
town,
yes
or
it
may
give
them.
It
gives
them
enough
time
to
make
the
adequate
arrangements
before
you
know
moving
forward.
So
I
think
that
this
this
could
be
a
good
piece
of
legislation
if,
if
enacted.
F
A
F
P
Chairman
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
legislation
it
something
I'm
glad
to
support.
I
do
have
a
clarifying
question.
It
says
24
hours
after
the
person's
released.
If
a
person
is
arrested
for
this
offense,
I
believe
they
had
to
stay
12
hours
and
then
is
it
additional
24
hours.
No,
sir.
Okay,
no.
A
A
Any
further
discussion,
any
objection
to
the
question,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1459
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman
and
members.
Thank
you.
Finally,
that
brings
us
to
how
item
number
nine
house
bill
1323
by
representative
hardaway,
representative
hardaway,
you're
recognized,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.