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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - February 23, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
F
Hello:
everyone
I'm,
mr
munez,
a
constituent
of
the
45th
district.
Today's
words
of
wisdom
are
always
do
what's
right,
even
when
no
one
is
around.
I
shared
this
with
my
wife
and
she
further
stated
that
it
is
because
god
is
always
around,
and
he
is
always
watching.
Those
are
the
words
of
wisdom
from
for
today.
A
Members
last
week
there
was
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
the
committee
times
that
we
had.
I
know
that
one
of
the
first
weeks
that
we
had
we
went,
we
stopped
at
10
30..
I
verified
with
the
clerk's
office
that
we
are
in
fact
here
in
this
room
until
11
o'clock,
and
so
that
is
our
intent
to
work
through
our
calendar
today
and
and
right
up
to
11
o'clock.
A
I
know
that
members
have
other
committees
that
they'll
have
to
be
on
and
presenting
bill's
another
committee,
so
for
those
that
are
here
as
our
guest
today,
if
you
notice
a
member
leaving
the
room,
it's
because
they
most
likely
have
other
committees
in
which
they
are
going
to
be
presenting
legislation
in
before
we
go
through
the
calendar.
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
a
few
things.
A
A
G
All
right
so,
on
this
bill
house
bill
2034,
we
did
add
an
amendment
to
this
bill
to
clarify
and
update
and
make
some
changes
that
were
mentioned
during
two
weeks
ago
during
committee
two
weeks
ago.
Some
of
those
changes
to
be
made
were
we
added
shade
as
a
category
shade
from
direct
sunlight
section.
Two,
we
added
a
chain
as
a
restraint
that
is
not
to
be
used.
G
A
Thank
you.
Does
the
amendment
make
the
bill?
Absolutely?
Yes,
sir.
Only
amendment
any
questions
for
the
sponsor.
A
Question's
been
called
on
the
amendment
and
without
objection
we're
now
voting
on
adding
the
amendment
code,
13511
on
house
bill,
2034,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Those
opposed
eyes
prevail.
You
adopt.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
A
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
that
I
can
say
for
the
end,
but
if
any
other
members
have
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
this
legislation,
representative
beck.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
and
representative
harris.
I
just
wanted
thank
you
for
bringing
this
I've
had.
So
so
many
people
reach
out-
and
this
is
such
an
important
bill
to
protect
our
our
pets
and
our
and
and
thank
you
for
bringing
in
my
daughter,
is
one
of
your
greatest
advocates
on
this
bill,
and
so
and
so
many
people
and
again,
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
Thank
you.
A
I
do
mr
sponsor
have
a
question
this
amendment
that
you
had
previously.
I
know
that
there
were
some
issues
that
represented
from
sumner
county
had
brought
up
to
you,
and
I
know
you
went
back
and
watched
the
video
and
made
some
changes,
but
in
those
changes
some
items
were
taken
out
that
I
thought
were
very
pertinent
to
this
bill.
A
G
G
A
A
To
me,
those
were
three
things
that
I
thought
were
very
necessary
for
that,
so
I
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
this
bill
because
I
believe
that
those
exemptions
should
have
remained
with
the
bill.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
that
clear
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
this
one
representative,
hardaway.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
sponsor
those
exemptions.
Critical
to
the
to
the
purpose
of
the
bill
are
those
exemptions,
something
that
can
allow
you
to
move
the
bill
forward
without
the
exemptions
and
work
with
the
the
chairman
on
how
to
achieve
the
same
purposes
at
some
later
date.
G
Yeah,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
that
question,
and
so
the
the
parts
that
were
taken
out
were
the
use
of
a
restraint
on
a
dog
while
the
owner
or
the
dog
engaged
in
conduct
directly
related
to
the
restriction
to
the
business
of
cultivating
agriculture
products,
and
so
that
was
added
in
there
initially,
so
that
it
would
allow
for
a
dog
to
be
chained
up.
While
a
farmer
was
feeding
their
chickens
or
hurting
their
chickens
or
herding
cows.
I
All
right,
may
I
suggest,
and
and
mr
chairman,
I
would
need
to
ask
you
what
the
status
of
the
bill
is
in
terms
of
roles.
I
To
the
sponsor
the
chairman,
like
myself
and
most
of
the
members,
if
not
all
believe
in
making
bills
better
as
opposed
to
killing
bills,
so
I
would
ask
that
you
would
consider
a
role
and
that
the
committee
would
grant
the
request
so
that
you
can
get
with
the
chairman
I'll
work
with
you
also
to
make
this
a
better
bill
and
to
be
able
to
move
it
forward
at
the
next
meeting.
A
All
right
that
motion
in
second
has
been
done.
Any
objection.
A
I
I
Mr
chairman,
pending
any
questions
from
the
committee,
we
have
a
family.
I
The
son,
the
the
brother,
the
grandson,
the
nephew
of
members
of
my
community,
who
have
traveled
here
today
to
share
their
personal
tragedy
with
the
committee,
their
son,
their
grandson,
their
nephew
brother
was
killed
by
random
bullet
while
he
was
opening
christmas
presents
on
christmas
morning
in
his
own
home
in
the
safety
and
protection
of
his
own
home
on
christmas
morning.
Doing
what
12
year
olds
are
supposed
to
be
doing.
I
Mr
chairman,
I
would
ask,
pending
any
questions
for
myself
from
the
committee
members,
that
we
would
go
out
of
session
and
allow
the
family
of
artemis
rayford
to
offer
testimony
to
the
criminal
justice
subcommittee.
A
Representative,
we
will
get
to
that
in
just
a
moment.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
members,
to
represent
hardaway
with
this
revocation.
Will
this
be
throughout
the
entire
period
of
the
probationary
period,
because
it
could
be
up
to
six
years
plus
just
kind
of
curious
just
how
that's
going
to
work,
we're
trying
to
get
back
and
forth
to
work
and
and
pay
fines
and
costs
and
community
service
and,
and
things
like
that,.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question,
sir,
and
we
do
have
built
in
to
the
language
the
ability
to
petition
the
court
for
exceptions
for
that,
whether
it's
work
or
school
or
or
religious
reasons.
A
A
You're
welcome
to
stand
at
the
podium
or
you
can
sit
at
these
chairs.
It's
your
your
choice.
Okay,
if
you
would
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
you'll
have
four
minutes
for
your
comments,
and
then
we
will
have
time
for
members
of
the
committee
to
ask
questions
if
they
have
any
okay.
B
B
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
good
morning
to
you.
Ma'am
first
offer
my
condolences.
Thank
you,
of
course,
and
from
myself
and
my
colleagues,
and
certainly
from
the
the
people
of
the
state
of
tennessee.
I
B
Well,
his
siblings,
he
was
the
new
baby
of
nine
kids.
They
haven't
been
able
to
stay
in
the
house.
He
had
a
little
sister
under
him.
That
was
a
devastated.
She
can't
even
sleep
at
night
and
it's
called
hardship
for
his
mom.
All
of
them
is
with
me
now
because
they
can't
seem
to
stay
in
their
house.
They
can't
cope
with
the
problem
and
she
is
having
counsel
but
she's
kind
of
like
drinking
more
every
night.
If
she
don't
maybe
drink
a
beer
to
put
herself
to
sleep,
then
she
wake
up
through
nights
crying.
B
Yes,
and
for
my
daughter
part
when
sean
that's
what
we
call
him
when
he
got
shot
that
night,
only
thing
he
knew
to
do
was
to
run
to
his
mom,
so
that
is
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
be
with
her
for
the
rest
of
her
life
and
he
died
in
her
arms,
and
it
was
so
sad
because
she
keeps
saying
my
baby
came
to
me,
but
it
was
nothing
I
could
do
with
nothing.
She
could
do.
I
Well,
you
know,
I
I
thank
you
for
having
the
courage
and
strength
to
want
to
move
ahead
with
memorializing
your
grandson
by
putting
in
place
public
policy
that
will
hopefully
keep
us
from
having
to
have
these
type
of
hearings
again
public
policy
that
would
deter
this
type
of
crime
where
innocent
victims
in
this
protection
and
safety
of
their
own
homes
are
killed,
had
nothing
to
do
with
what
he
was
doing.
B
B
I
K
Okay,
ma'am,
you
know
I've
come
back
to
the
mic.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
so
sorry
about
your
loss.
Many
of
us
on
this
committee
have
children
roughly
that
age
and
we
can't
imagine
what
your
family's
going
through,
but
I
will
say
I
commend
representative
hardaway
and
the
entire
time
I've
known
him
down
here.
K
He's
fought
for
bills
to
try
to
combat
violent
crime
and
so
that
folks,
in
in
every
neighborhood
throughout
tennessee,
would
not
have
to
go
through
what
you
are
going
through,
because
I
can
virtually
guarantee
you
that
wasn't
the
first
time
that
that
criminal
had
sprayed
a
bullet
out
through
a
neighborhood.
K
Unfortunately,
it
happens
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
so
there's
several
bills
this
year
to
try
to
address
that,
but
I
just
want.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
you
know
we're
gonna
be
working
on
this
long
after
you
leave
this
committee
and
trying
to
at
least
get
some
tools
out
there
to
keep
your
neighborhood
and
every
neighborhood
safe.
K
And
so
I
just
thank
you
and
know
that
your
words
today
matter
and
it's
something
that
all
of
us
can
carry
with
us
as
we
deliberate
these
bills
and
try
to
and
try
to
enact
them
into
law.
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
yes,
ma'am.
A
Ma'am
you'll
have
four
minutes.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
L
Hi,
my
name
is
andrew,
brooks
I
am
our
team
as
rapers
aunt,
I'm
here
today,
hoping
that
we
can
come
to
conclusion
to
up
the
gun
laws
in
our
city.
I
went
strictly
by
the
book
to
get
my
gun
license,
but
you
have
people,
don't
have
to
have
license
to
carry
a
gun.
Please
make
it
make
sense
to
me.
I
just
don't
I
just
don't
understand.
L
Everybody
needs
a
license
to
do
business
you
have
to
have
license
to
hunt,
do
hair
and
cut
hair
everything
you
do
now.
You
basically
have
to
have
license.
We
are
losing
our
young
ones
in
the
streets
and
also
on
the
streets.
These
babies
cannot
watch
tv
or
play
in
their
homes
safely
where
they
belong.
Please
hear
my
cry.
My
nephew
was
gunned
down.
He
didn't
make
it,
but
please,
with
his
letter
we
can
save
the
next
child.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you.
This
is
our
team,
mrs
aunt,
and
she
has
been
the
the
key
to
us
getting
organized
for
the
family
to
be
able
to
offer
the
testimony
that
to
the
committee.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
extra
effort
that
you've
had
to
put
out,
in
spite
of
the
morning
period
that
you
find
yourself
in.
Would
you
be
kind
enough
to
share
with
the
committee
your
relationship
with
artemis
and
what
his
loss
has
done
to
impact
you.
L
Well,
our
team
is
like
my
mom
said:
we
called
him
sean.
He
was
the
life
of
the
party,
they
just
left
my
home.
We
did
a
christmas
thing
in
my
house
like
pajamas,
like
he
danced
he
sing.
He
did
everything,
but
just
one
believe
million
years,
that
that
would
have
been
the
last
time
that
we
saw
our
team.
I
L
I
Occurrence
in
any
parent's
life
and
that's
having
to
bury
a
child,
it
just
is
unnatural,
okay,
but
I
thank
you
for
what
you've
done
and
god
bless
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
I
A
M
Yes,
excuse
me.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
an
administration
bill
from
the
department
of
we'll.
A
M
Okay,
thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
the
the
moving
and
seconding
this
bill
comes
to
us
from
tennessee's
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services.
What
it
does
is
addresses
the
escalation
of
opioid
abuse
and
fatal
drug
overdoses
in
the
u.s
and
consequently,
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
M
The
legislation
was
proposed
by
the
department
of
statewide
planning
and
policy
council
in
2020.
The
state
of
tennessee
had
a
total
of
3032
drug
overdose.
Deaths
of
those
60
were
related
to
some
sort
of
involvement
with
fentanyl
that
was
inadvertently
or
or
purposely
added
to
the
the
drug
contents,
and
we
have
to
know
that,
for
it's
estimated
that
there
are
10
overdoses
for
every
one,
that's
fatal.
So
so
the
number
of
overdoses
is
huge,
as
well
as
the
those
that
are
fatal.
M
Fentanyl
has
been
found
in
counterfeit
prescription,
pills,
illicit
opioids
and
and
stimulants.
It's
cheap
and
expands
their
effect,
and
what
this
bill
would
do
is
exempt.
Fentanyl
test
strips
from
the
definition
of
drug
paraphernalia
in
tennessee.
The
fentanyl
test
strips
are
an
inexpensive
harm
reduction.
M
That's
been
demonstrated
to
improve
two
things:
overdose,
harm
and
reduction,
and-
and
it
also
improves
overdose
risk
behavior,
which
leads
people
that
that
experience
it
or
find
it
in
their
their
drug
cash
to
threaten
them
to
the
point
that
they
try
to
make
some
sort
of
other
behavior
decisions.
The
legit.
This
legislation
will
allow
tennessee
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse,
services
to
and
organ
other
organizations
to
purchase
and
distribute
the
fentanyl
test
strips
to
people
who
are
at
risk
for
drug
overdose.
M
The
aim
of
in
is
to
engage
individuals
in
recovery
and
certainly
reduce
the
overdoses
in
tennessee.
The
bill
has
no
fiscal
impact,
however.
Overdose
deaths
are
have
a
staggering
impact
to
the
nation
as
well
as
state
of
tennessee
in
2017,
fatal
overdoses
cost
the
u.s
550
billion
dollars
in
lost
productivity
and
health
care.
M
M
You
administer
the
strip
to
some
portion
of
a
drug
that
you're
going
to
ingest
or
inject
or
whatever,
and
in
two
and
a
half
minutes
the
you
can
read
the
results:
the
fentanyl
trips
or
pardon
me,
fentanyl
strips
also
tests
for
10
analogs
of
fentanyl
they're
85
to
95
effective,
and
it
is
something
that
what
concerns
were
brought
to
us
from
tbi
and
tennessee
bureau
of
investigation.
M
A
Well,
thank
you
for
that
explanation
and
I
will
if
the
committee
doesn't
mind,
I'm
gonna
take
a
point
of
personal
privilege.
Here
I
have
in
the
room
here
a
couple
of
my
district's
finest
from
the
highway
patrol
in
the
back
of
the
room.
There
glad
to
have
you
here
and
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
communities
in
our
state.
F
Chairman
curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
I
wish
I
wish
it
wasn't
necessary,
but
I
think
this
is
probably
one
of
the
most
important
bills
that
will
pass
this
year.
I
have
a
very
robust
drug
and
alcohol
treatment
community.
In
my
in
my
district
over
in
dixon
county
and
I
was,
I
was
meeting
with
one
of
the
owners
of
one
of
those
facilities
last
week,
and
he
said,
you
know
we'll
often
admit
a
young
man
for
when
he
thinks
he's
there.
F
I
mean
he
knew
he
was
taking
other
illegal
drugs
and
and
shouldn't
have
been
doing
it
but
found
himself
in
the
grips
of
addiction,
and
many
of
these
folks
that
are
that
are
brought
in
are
surprised
to
hear
that
they're
testing
positive
for
these
very,
very
dangerous
synthetic
opioids
and
that's
not
their
intent.
They,
you
know
they
have
a
problem
and
they're
trying
to
get
help,
and
unfortunately,
many
of
these
folks
when
they
relapse
they
do
die
because
either
their
tolerance
has
changed
or
they've
gotten
into.
F
You
know
some
some
street
drugs
that
have
fentanyl
laced
into
them
and
so,
like
I
said,
I
wish
this
wasn't
necessary.
But
I
think
this
is
a
smart
approach.
I
think
it's
a
conservative
approach
for
these
drug
users
to
at
least
be
able
to
be
fully
informed
about
what
is
in
that
drug
and
then
hopefully
they
can
come
forward
and
get
help,
and
we
can
divert
them
into
a
mental
health
or
substance
abuse
program
before
they
harm
themselves
or
commit
a
crime
or
or
you
know,
do
something
that
that
becomes
a
criminal
activity.
F
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
this
and
and
really
really
glad
to
see
that
we're
doing
this
as
a
state.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
to
the
sponsor.
This
is
a
fantastic
bill.
It
will
save
lives
and
I
thank
you
for
bringing
it.
But
my
question
to
you
is
law
enforcement
has
informed
me
that
there's
a
new
drug
out
there
that's
even
more
powerful
than
fentanyl.
Do
you
know
if
this
will
pick
that
up
in
the
test
strips
and
I
apologize,
I
should
have
written
down
the
name
of
it.
I
can't
remember
it
right
now,
but
it's
like
30
times
more
powerful
than
than
fentanyl,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
it's
related
to
fentanyl.
H
I
don't
I
don't
know,
but
do
you
have
any
idea
if
it
will
show
if
that
drug
is
in
this?
What
what
it's
testing.
M
The
my
understanding
is
that
this
tests
for
10
analogs
each
year,
we
seem
to
have
issues
with
just
enough
of
a
biochemical
change
in
drugs
to
change
the
name
of
it.
So
we
have
to
change
our
legislation,
our
codes
to
match
that
I
do
not
know
the
drug.
I
know
that
fentanyl
is
was
developed
in
the
60s.
M
M
I
don't
know
the
drug
that
you're
speaking
of
fentanyl
is
50
to
100
times
stronger
than
heroin,
and
so,
if
this
one's
30
times
stronger
than
fentanyl,
we
got
a
real
issue
on
our
hands.
And
and
so,
if
you
want
to
get
me,
the
name
I'd
be
glad
to
check
and
see.
If,
if,
in
fact,
we
can
make
that
presentation
to
the
full
committee.
A
Currently
it
is
considered
drug
paraphernalia
to
be
in
possession
there's
a
charge
that
you
could
receive
for
having
possession
of
fentanyl
testing
strips.
Is
that
correct.
M
My
yes,
sir,
my
understanding
is
that
right
now,
drug
paraphernalia
has
specific
descriptions,
specific
definition
pipes.
It
can
sometimes
be
rolling
paper.
Peel
cutters,
syringes,
pill,
crushers,
mortar
and
pestle.
All
these
things
can
be
drug,
paraphernalia
and
and
test
strips
are
in
that
consideration
what
this
bill
does
and
if,
if
there's
a
charge
of
drug
paraphernalia
it
my
understanding
is
it's
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
and
any
of
the
the
defined.
M
I
guess
articles
that
I
have
mentioned
can
can
cause
a
charge
of
that.
What
this
does
is
exempts
test
strips
from
paraphernalia.
So
if
you're,
if
you're
found
with
the
test
strips
and
no
other
charges,
that
would
indicate
involvement
in
manufacturing,
distributing
or
selling
controlled
substance.
M
This
exception
stays
in
place.
If
any
of
the
other
charges
are
assessed
that
I
just
mentioned,
then,
then
the
exception
is
is
eliminated,
so
the
I
gather
that
the
test
strips
will
not
will
not
be
allowed
or
can
be
considered
in
the
judicial
discovery.
I
guess
of
the
charges,
if
any
of
these
other
three
issues
are
involved.
Does
that
answer
your
question
somewhat?.
A
If
so,
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
if
someone
is
found
to
be
in
possession
of
an
illegal
drug
and
they
have
the
test
strip
with
them,
they
can
catch,
they
can
be
charged
with
drug
paraphernalia.
At
that
juncture,.
M
My
my
understanding
is
yes,
it's
it's
still,
depending
on
the
intent
and
the
I
guess,
the
size
of
the
the
amount
it's
up
to
the
charging
officer
to
make
that
charge,
and
and
but
were
it
not
to
be
involved
with
these
three
issues,
you
still
would
have
the
probability
of
exclusion
from
the
drug
paraphernalia
description
of
the
test
strips
you
would
have
the
other
charge
with
possession,
but
but
that
would
not
include
the
test
strips
as
paraphernalia
unless
excuse
me,
unless
you
were
involved
in
these
other
three
activities,
manufacturing
selling
is
that
do
I
need
further.
M
We
got
lots
of
folks
here
that
are
experts
on
this
and
and
be
glad
to
to
give
over
some
time
to
whoever
wants
to
address
that,
I
hope
of,
but
the
and
the
I
guess.
The
point
of
this
bill
is
that
there
will
be
no
charges
if
all
you're
found
with
is
test
strips.
M
Otherwise,
the
typical
and
and
code
definitions
are
in
place.
So
if
you,
if
you
have
an
infraction
that
includes
any
of
these
other
issues,
you
you
will
stand
for
charges,
but
but
if
you
have
the
test
strips
and
and
nothing
else
that
would
indicate
a
potential
charge,
then
then
it's
not
considered
paraphernalia.
A
Thank
you,
but
the
purpose
of
moving
this
out
of
drug
paraphernalia
is
to
what
what's
the
purpose.
M
So
you
can,
you
can
have,
and
the
the
purpose
is
two
effects
to
reduce
risk
and
to
change
behavior.
So
if,
if
we
have
these
people
that
that
take
a
drug
test-
and
they
say
hey-
I
didn't
know
that
I
was
taking
fentanyl
and
it's
it's
used.
It's
so
cheap
and
easy
to
get.
It's
used
to
kind
of
bulk
up
the
the
prices
of
illicit
drugs
and
and
extend
the
effect,
so
the
hope
is
and
and
what
it's
been
in
other
states.
We
have
several
other
states
that
pass
this.
M
There
are
ten
right
now
that
have
this
same
bill
in
in
consideration,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
if
these
people
have
possession
of
a
test
strip,
their
stash
or
whatever
they're
going
to
do
test
positive-
and
they
didn't
know
it
that
they're
going
to
mend
or
alter
their
behavior
in
some
way
to
either
make
life
safer
for
them
or
the
rest
of
us.
So
that's
really
what
the
purpose
is.
A
M
Yes,
sir,
the
the
way
that
you
use
the
strips
is
you
whatever
you're
going
to
ingest
or
inject
or
rub
on
your
eyeballs
or
whatever
druggies.
Do
I
don't
know
whatever
you're
going
to
use
you
you
dissolve
and,
and
some
liquid
put
the
test
strip
in
it
and
within
two
minutes
they
will
tell
you
if
fentanyl
is
present
or
not,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
the
point
and
that's
what
the
amendment
does.
M
N
I
think
jim,
I
think
this
is
a
big
safety
concern
for
all
of
tennessee
and
probably
the
whole
united
states,
because
fentanyl
is
one
of
the
most
deadliest
drugs
out
there.
Recently
we
had
two
school
resource
officers
that
overdosed
by
accident
at
sequoia,
high
school,
so
I'll,
be
proud
to
support
the
amendment
and
the
bill,
and
can
I
make
the
motion
to
add
the
amendment.
A
You
can't
we
do
have
others,
okay,
that
are
on
to
testify,
representing
farmer.
J
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
had,
I
believe,
some
folks
from
department
health
came
and
saw
me
come
and
talk
to
me
about
this
bill.
I
think
it's
a
great
bill.
J
She
ended
up
smoking
it
getting
sick
and
they'd
left
her
in
the
room
and
scared
to
take
her
to
the
hospital.
If
they
just
took
her
to
the
hospital,
she
ended
up
dying
right,
but
those
kids
had
just
had
the
opportunity
to
have
something
to
test
this
and
other
folks.
It's
safe
on
overdoses.
I
think
and
then
and
then
folks
go
to
the
hospital.
They
rack
up
hospital
bills
and
everything
else
and
whether
they
die
or
not.
It's
just.
J
But
let's
give
the
people
the
opportunity
to
if
they're
going
to
do
something
make
a
bad
decision
smoke
marijuana
whatever
else,
just
at
least
give
them
the
opportunity
to
be
as
safe
as
they
can
about
it,
and-
and
we
don't
want
people
dying
right,
we
don't
want
people
to
use
illegal
drugs
to
begin
with,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
want
to
we're
here
to
save
lives
and
help
people
save
their
lives
right
and
their
loved
ones.
So
I
just
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
good
bill.
J
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
it
and
we're
here
to
pass
good
policy
and
and
help
folks
live.
So
thank
you
for
carrying
this
legislation.
M
Chairman
trying
to
digest
all
this
information
and
try
to
make
it
as
concise
as
possible,
so
basically
what
your
bill
does
owning
or
having
in
your
possession
a
fentanyl
test
strip
would
no
longer
be
a
criminal
activity.
As
long
as
you
have
no,
no
other
paraphernalia
with
you.
A
A
A
O
Thank
you
committee
and
thank
you
chairman,
this
bill,
I'll
just
direct
your
attention
to
a
section
of
the
code:
3917
308
and
3917-315
in
current
code,
the
the
crimes
of
harassment,
stalking
and
aggregate
aggravated,
stalking,
or
already
codified,
with
class
a
misdemeanors
as
well
as
class
e
felony
for
stalking.
O
If,
if
it
involves
a
sexual
predator
and
what
this
particular
bill
does,
it
adds
to
that
a
minimum
fine
for
a
thousand
dollars
for
harassment,
two
thousand
dollars
for
stalking
and
then
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
for
aggravated
stalking
and
the
the
final
section
of
the
bill.
I've
been
working
with
dcs,
as
well
as
our
juvenile
court
justices
to
add
a
a
language
in
the
bill
relative
to
delinquent
acts
of
juveniles.
O
That
looks
at
just
juvenile
delinquency,
as
it
relates
to
this,
and
this
particular
bill
gives
very
broad
discretions
to
a
juvenile
court
judge.
It
does
place
on
the
first
offense
a
minimum
hours
minimal
hours
of
12
hours,
community
service,
the
subsequent
offense
40
hours,
minimal
community
service,
but
that
can
be
in
addition
to
other
decisions
and
sentencing
with
the
judge's
discretion.
So
at
this
point,
mr
chairman,
I
think
it
might
be
best
for
me
just
to
take
questions,
and
I
look
forward
to
asking
for
your
support.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this,
but
my
question
to
you
is:
do
you
think
these
fines
mandatory
fines,
are
you
think
that'll
deter
the
behavior
because
we're
getting
at
their
pocketbook
or
is
this
more
for
the
prosecution
being?
You
know
the
the
awareness
being
raised
for
the
prosecution.
Tell
me
exactly
where
you're
going
with
this.
Please.
O
Both
actually,
I
think,
I
think
that
when
you
have
a
a
crime
of
record,
that
is
a
crime
of
record.
When
you
have
to
make
a
a
payment
back
to
the
court,
it
it
does
impact
or
does
disincentivize
that
behavior
as
an
adult.
But
it
also
brings
forward
the
idea
to
our
prosecutors,
our
district
attorneys,
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
this
is
something
that
has
been
escalated
in
the
view
of
the
general
assembly
and
for
the
public
good.
A
O
I
would
just
I
thank
the
committee
for
all
your
patience.
I
want
to
thank
leader,
lambert
for
helping
make
me
make
this
a
better
bill,
and
I
do
think
that,
since
we
have
in
talking
to
juvenile
court
judges,
social
media
bullying
is
one
of
the
more
contributing
factors
to
teen
suicide
in
our
culture
today,
and
I
think
that
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
stand
behind
our
prosecutors
and
equip
parents
to
understand
that
we
do
intentionally
want
good
social
media
use
and
good
communication,
but
there
is
a
line
of
inappropriateness.
A
Thank
you
any
objection
to
the
question
saying
no
we're
now
voting
to
send
house
bill
2415
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
That
was
opposed
the
eyes
for
help
you
move
on
the
full
criminal.
Thank
you
committee.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
item
number
seven
house
bill.
1830
representative
lamar.
A
D
Sorry,
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
today,
so
I
have
so
much
more
respect
for
those
who
have
disabilities
is
not
an
easy
task,
but
I'm
thankful
I'm
able
to
volunteer
and
bring
more
awareness,
but
thank
you.
I
have
amendment
that
is,
I
explained
last
week
what
this
bill
was.
It
is
a
multi-agency
approach
to
I'm.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
this
memphis
does
is
creates
a
multi-agency
approach
to
reducing
gun
violence
in
our
community.
We
had
a
very
long
and
engaging
discussion
last
week
and
I
won't
make
you
all
go
through
that
again,
but
what
I
did
with
this
amendment
is
take
much
of
the
concerns
and
the
recommendations
from
you
all
on
this
committee
to
make
this
bill
better,
but
keep
the
same
spirit
of
the
bill,
which
is
to
again
reiterate.
D
This
is
not
a
bill
to
try
to
take
away
guns
from
lawful
gun
owners,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
encourage
the
department
of
health
department
of
labor
and
workforce
and
department
of
education
to
join
us
in
preventative
measures
to
reduce
gun
violence
in
our
community.
What
that
looks
like
is
law
enforcement
has
a
lot
of
tasks
on
their
hands.
They
are
burdened
with
the
lot
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
bringing
other
agency
in
to
alleviate
many
of
the
responsibilities
they
have
when
it
comes
to
gun
crime.
A
K
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
changing
the
language
around
it.
It's
definitely
better
language.
Here's
one
thing
I'm
still
wondering
about,
I
mean
so
it's
a
it's
a
resolution
that
apparently
asks
different
departments
in
state
government
that
are
already
doing
much
of
this
work
to
work
together
I
mean
it,
you
know,
that's
something.
D
D
Nobody
is
really
working
together
and
so
we're
trying
to
use
existing
resources
to
create
opportunities
for
us
to
work
together
to
prevent
gun
violence
in
our
community,
because
you
know
everybody's
working
in
silos
and
law
enforcement
gives
much
of
the
brunt
of
the
responsibility
to
do
this
work,
but
we
all
can
join
in
together
and
to
attack
gun
violence
issues.
I
mean
I
talked
about
the
story
of
mr
rayford
last
week
in
my
testimony,
you
heard
the
testimony
for
this
family
and
many
other
issues.
D
K
And
my
only
I
guess,
response
to
that
would
be
is
I
I
would
disagree
that
currently
folks
are
working
in
silos
and
I
can
only
say
for
the
last
specifically
three
or
four
years
that
this
has
been
a
conversation.
I
mean
I've
talked
to
multiple
different
commissioners
about
this.
I've
talked
to
the
governor
regularly
about
this
I
mean
this
is
something
that
we've
all
been
pushing
yourself
included,
and
I
I'm
not
supportive
of
the
implication
that
somehow
these
departments
have
not
been
working
together.
K
Can
they
do
better,
absolutely
fully
support
that
and
fully
support
the
effort
that
all
of
them
should,
but
I
do
have
some
reservations
that
there's
an
implication
here
that
somehow
I
know
that
these
departments
have
not
been
working
well
together
and
look.
This
is
something
that
every
single
department
of
state
government,
every
single
tennessean
I
mean-
should
be
working
together
to
try
to
resolve
violent
crime
issues
in
in
any
neighborhood.
K
But
that's
that
just
wanted
to
show
that
reservation.
That
I
mean
I,
I
know
these
departments.
I
know
these
folks
that
are
working
hard
in
tbi
and
the
department
of
safety
and
mental
health
and
health
and
they're
all
striving
very
hard
and
have
been
for
years
to
try
to
address
these
issues.
Just
want
to
share
that.
D
And
my
apologies:
if
I,
if
you
are
saying
that
I
don't
think
that
they're
working
hard,
they
care,
that's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
say
in
all
the
departments
that
are
mentioned.
I've
had
conversations
with
them
to
all
help
me
get
this
bill
correct.
So
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
that
we
want
to
continue
doing
something
and
they
have
all
given
me,
the
okay
and
giving
their
opinions
on
how
this
bill
can
be
as
best
as
possible.
D
D
We
are
14th
in
the
nation
for
gun,
violence
issues
and
I'm
just
trying
to
do
something
about
it
with
this
field
and
bring
everybody
on
board,
and
this
is
my
way
of
trying
to
further
the
conversation
and
work
in
a
bipartisan
manner
to
get
it
done
and
even
amending
it
so
that
our
committee
members
be
okay
with
it
folks
on
both
sides
that
I
can
be
okay
with
it.
D
P
I
share
your
concern
and
passion
about
trying
to
do
something
to
address
the
senseless
and
needless
loss
of
life
in
a
number
of
our
communities
and
my
biggest
concern-
or
I
guess
focus
is,
I
believe,
more
than
anything,
it's
driven
by
drug
drug
use,
drug
trade
and
that's
what
then,
and
and
extreme
poverty
too,
and
I
noticed
that
there's
a
668
thousand
state
expenditure,
physical
note
on
this
and
652
in
subsequent
years-
and
it's
been
my
also
my
experience
throughout
life-
that
government
and
government
agencies
are
generally
and
big
generalization-
are
not
the
best
suited
entities
just
because
the
way
they
function
to
try
to
address
a
specific
problem
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
we
take
that
668
thousand
dollars
in
two
three
years
basis
and,
let's
form
a
task
force,
whichever
member
I
don't
know
who
it
is,
who's
ever
got
the
most
murders
in
their
district.
P
Let's
take
that
money
and
let's
focus
it
on
that
district
as
a
pilot
program,
and
let's
have
that
representative
in
the
senator
for
that
district
work
with
the
d.a
the
sheriff
in
that
district,
somebody
from
the
governor's
or
tbi
or
the
governor's
force.
Let
the
speaker
appoint.
Let's
do
a
dedicated
ad
hoc
task
force
to
let's,
let's
focus
on
one
district.
Let's,
let's
focus
all
of
it,
put
all
of
our
efforts
at
a
single
point
and
focus
on
that
and
see.
P
If
we
can
make
some
progress
and
then,
if
we
can,
we
could
take
the
lessons,
as
we've
learned
from
that
and
hopefully
apply
to
other
districts,
we're
seeing
how
they,
because
I
think,
if
we
do
one
of
these
big
broad,
sweeping
plans
to
try
to
get
multiple
agencies
involved
and
I'm
afraid
the
mission
is
going
to
get
lost
with
all
the
different
players
and
having
one
person
accountable
to
be
responsible.
For
what
happens.
P
I
think
that
per
whoever
that
person
is
that
gets
appointed
to
do
that,
they're
not
going
to
want
to
publicly
fail
or
mess
up.
So
it
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
to
try
to
get
something
accomplished
so
that
that
would
be
my
suggestion,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
comment
on
that.
But
I've
got
a
follow-up
motion
after
that.
D
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Actually,
this
bill
costs.
Nothing.
If
you
pull
up
your
ipad
and
look
at
the
research
note
for
the
bill
is
a
minute:
it's
not
significant.
It
costs
us
not
a
dime,
not
a
dime,
zero
dollars
in
order
to
get
this
bill
passed
and
be
able
to
create
a
multi-agency
approach
to
this
gun
violence
issue
again,
law
enforcement
is
on
the
back
end.
They
get
called
once
something
bad
already
happens.
D
A
Thank
you,
representative
griffey.
I've
got
some
others
on
the
list
that
would
like
to
speak.
Representative
sexton.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
of
course,
I
think
anybody
in
this
room
would
appreciate
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
do
our
communities
a
service
by
making
them
safer
in
whatever
way
that
we
can.
Q
It
could
have
been
stated
community
violence
and
then
list.
You
know
a
whole
list
of
things
guns,
drugs
knives,
whatever
the
case
might
be-
and
I
am
concerned
just
as
a
citizen
that
our
first
amendment
rights
and
their
second
amendment
amendment
rights
are
under
assault,
a
gun,
never
got
up
off
of
a
table
and
walked
over
and
never
shot.
Anyone
just
like
drugs,
never
got
into
their
system
by
their
self.
Q
Q
Q
It's
used
as
a
defense
and
in
many
cases
it's
an
offense
and
guns
are
not
the
problem.
In
my
opinion-
and
that's
just
my
humble
opinion,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
a
concerted
effort
in
this
country
to
remove
the
guns,
so
I
must
oppose
any
effort
that
I
see
in
trying
to
remove
the
guns
from
from
our
country.
I'm
for
your
bill
in
the
respect
that
you're
trying
to
make
your
community
a
safer
place.
Q
D
Yes,
if
you
look
at
the
legislation,
it's
in
4-36
101,
the
department
of
health
submit
to
the
legislature,
each
municipality
and
county
of
the
state
and
annual
report
on
the
public
health
impacts
of
gun
violence
on
local
communities.
The
report
must
include
data
on
the
deaths,
disabilities,
mental
illness
and
economic
hardship
standing
for
stemming
from
gun
violence.
Additionally,
the
report
must
provide
the
public
and
policy
makers
with
research-based
information
which
should
make
informed
decisions
on
how
to
best
protect
tennesseans
from
gun
violence.
D
On
top
of
the
fact,
I
want
to
re-emphasize
as
a
proud
gun
owner
myself
that
this
bill
is
not
intended
to
take
away
anybody's
guns.
We
even
completely
removed
that
line
from
the
bills,
as
requested
from
you
all
last
week.
I've
done
that
I've
emphasized
time
and
time
again.
This
is
not
a
bill
to
take
away
anybody's
legal
rights
on
guns,
I'm
a
proud
gun
owner.
I
love
my
guns,
but
I
also
understand
that
I've
had
the
proper
training
and
circumstances
where
I
understand
the
rules,
I
understand
the
impacts
of
having
a
gun.
D
I
know
how
to
have
conflict
resolution
skills,
but
unfortunately,
many
folks
aren't
don't
have
those
skills,
abilities
or
knowledge
or
training.
So
all
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
those
people
who
do
have
guns
understand
and
have
the
capacity
to
use
those
correctly
and
own
them
correctly
and
have
the
education
they
need
not
to
turn
to
violence
by
the
use
of
guns.
So
I
don't
want
us
to
get
confused
that
this
is
a
bill
to
take
away
or
make
it
harder
to
get
guns.
D
There's
not
one
line
in
this
bill
to
say
that
we're
trying
to
take
away
guns
make
it
hard
for
people
to
own
guns
or
any
of
those
things.
So
I
just
you
know
want
to
make
sure
that
I
emphasize
that,
because
we
would
love
your
vote
and
your
support.
And
yes,
there
are
individuals
who
themselves
take
guns
and
do
bad
things
with
them,
and
that
is
why
this
bill
is
so
important
because
it
takes
preventative
measures.
Q
It's
just
my
point
that
we're
trying
to
address
something
that
will
still
cause
criminals
to
do
what
they
do
because
they
break
the
law
and,
in
my
opinion,
this
bill
is
going
to
hurt
honest,
law-abiding
citizens,
and
I
must
I
must
mention
the
fact
that
our
forefathers
never
once
mentioned
any
kind
of
special
training
or
any
kind
of
special
laws.
They
said
in
the
second
amendment
that
we
have
the
right
to
keep
and
bearer
arms,
and
this
shall
not
be
infringed
upon.
Q
Q
They
shut
them
down
and
the
health
department
did
that,
and
so,
when
we
start
getting
these
departments
involved
in
these
kinds
of
actions,
I
think
it's
a
dangerous
road
to
go
because
we're
abdicating
our
authority
as
the
legislator
over
to
a
department
that
needs
to
be
held
in
the
hands
of
the
legislature.
That's
what
we're
for
we
make
the
laws.
Q
K
Thank
you,
and
I
know
there
was
some
conversation
a
while
ago
about
budget
and
everything,
and
I,
as
most
y'all
know,
I
carry
my
budget
book
with
me
just
about
everywhere,
because
on
page
b19
of
your
budget
book,
there's
150
million
dollars
for
violent
crime,
intervention
grants,
and
so
I
I
know
we
mentioned
utilizing
funds
earlier
to
be
able
to
address
violent
crime.
K
There
is
no
better
way
that
I
can
imagine
than
investing
this
150
million
dollars
and
more
to
ensure
that
folks
are
coming
together
and
exactly
that
your
intention
is
being
met
and
that
all
the
departments
are
working
together,
both
in
your
neighborhood
and
mine
and
everyone's.
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
there
is
money
in
the
budget
that,
if
this
proposed
budget
will
were
to
be
adopted
by
the
legislature,
I
hope
that
this
money
and
these
funds
and
others
would
be
utilized
to
do
exactly
what
you're
attempting
to
do
here,
which
is
to
get
all
those
departments,
law
enforcement,
everybody
at
the
table
and
agree
with
what
many
have
said
already.
The
intent
of
what
you're
trying
to
do
here
is
good.
K
I
just
I
think
some
of
us
are
looking
to
make
sure
that
there's
action
associated
with
that-
and
I
know
that's
what
you've
said
as
well.
I
mean
you,
don't
want
folks
just
to
generate
another
report.
K
You
want
to
make
sure
they're
really
doing
what
they've
told
all
of
us
that
they've
been
doing
all
along
that
all
these
departments
of
state
government
are
focused
on
this
task,
so
just
wanted
to
kind
of
throw
it
out
there
that,
as
far
as
from
a
financial
standpoint,
if
that
particular
line
item
remains
in
the
budget,
there
are
definitely
funds
here
to
be
able
to
go
directly
at
these
violent
crime
issues,
and
I
agree
it's
an
overall
violent
crime
issue
with
with
a
variety
of
weapons
and
backgrounds
and
reasons
for
that,
and
we
ought
to
go
at
every
single
aspect
of
it.
D
D
D
D
But
this
way
we
will
be
able
to
ensure
that
something
will
be
done
and
it
costs
nothing,
and
it's
very
simple
and
I've
talked
to
all
the
departments
to
help
me
get
this
bill
right.
K
Both
your
opinion
and
every
member
of
this
legislature
is
critical
to
the
discussion
of
the
budget,
and
we
have
budget
hearings
for
hours
and
hours
and
hours
every
single
week.
Please
come
and
attend
those
I
mean
any
member,
please
come
and
attend.
If
you
have
questions,
let
the
member
that
committee
know,
but
for
several
months
we
will
go
through
analyzing
this
budget,
and
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear.
K
Both
you
and
every
other
member
of
this
body
is
welcome
into
that
process
and
needed
in
that
process
to
ensure
that
these
funds
or
any
others,
are
allocated
in
the
way
that
your
districts
wish
to
be.
So
it's
it's
their
money.
It's
taxpayer
dollars.
It
doesn't
belong
to
any
one
of
us,
so
you
absolutely
have
a
seat
at
the
table,
as
does
every
member.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative
lamar
for
bringing
this.
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
too
far
astray
of
what
this
really
does.
There's
no
authority.
I've
read
the
bill.
There's
no
authority
granted
to
any
department
to
take
action
other
than
to
generate
a
report,
and
this
report
we
have
reports
on
opioid
abuse.
We
have
reports
on
on
coveted
county
statewide.
We
have
reports
on
anything
that
affects
the
health
of
the
people
of
the
great
state
of
tennessee
gun.
H
H
I
understand
that
some
of
my
colleagues
are
are
concerned
that
this
gives
somebody
super
powers
which
is
not
in
the
bill.
It
just
gives
the
the
recommendation-
and
it
says,
may
instead
of
shall
bring
these
reports
forward
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
got
to
start
somewhere
and
I
really
really
like
the
way
that
you've
started.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
Absolutely,
and
I'm
glad
you
said
that
I
also
want
to
it-
doesn't
mandate
anything
you
know
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
do
this,
which
is
again.
I
think
that
everyone
wants
to
start
this
conversation,
which
is
why
I
work
with
so
many
of
the
departments
to
get
this
right.
This
is
not
a
mandate,
it's
not
requiring
them
to
do
it.
It
is
allowing
them
if
they
so
choose.
A
Thank
you.
I
will
say
that
there
are
two
sections
where
it
does
mandate:
the
department
of
health
and
the
tbi
and
well
there's
a
third
in
the
department
of
education.
Okay
for
clarification
purposes,
representative
griffey.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
representative
ringing
this.
I
don't
know
if
you
might
be
willing
to
roll
this
a
couple
of
weeks
and
let
us
kick
it
around
with
some
of
us.
I
honestly
I
I
think
the
best
approach
would
be.
Let's,
let's
get
a
committee
appointed
by
say
the
speaker,
the
governor
and
so
who's
ever
in
just
pick.
P
A
district
who's
got
the
most
problems
with
this
issue
and
let's
try
to
address
it,
and
let's
do
let's
spend
some
money
on
some
of
that
grant
money
that
we
already
in
the
budget
and
do
a
pilot
project
no
strings
attached.
So
to
come
up
with
the
best
thing,
and
if
you
come
up
with
some
good
solutions,
we
can
use
those
solutions
in
other
places
in
tennessee.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
might
agree
to
roll
this
couple
weeks
and
talk
about
that.
R
R
But
our
veterans-
and
this
is
federal-
our
veterans
have
to
tell
if
they
have
a
gun
and
then,
if
they
have
has
sought
mental
health,
they
will
take
their
guns
from
them.
We
it
just
you're.
So
this
is
I've,
seen
red
flags
all
over
the
place.
I'm
not
saying
that
your
intent,
but
just
these
few
things
are
enough
for
me
to
be
a
no
vote
for
this
bill
and
I
do
appreciate
all
your
work,
but
those
and
and
then
one
other
thing
with
the
part
with
the
health
care
the
in
the
emergency
rooms.
R
I
I've
not
had
to
experience
it,
but
everything
I'm
hearing
from
them.
They
can't
keep
up
with
what
they're
getting
that
are
physical
emergencies
and
so
again,
kind
of
like
with
the
teachers
we're
piling
on
more
with
these
folks
that
are
stretched
to
exhaustion,
and
I
just
have
concerns
with
with
what
we're
putting
on
adding
on
to
those
folks.
But
thank
you
for
for
bringing
attention
to
this.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
I
will
say
that
I
think
that
I
don't
think
we're
overloading
them,
because
oftentimes
teachers
are
the
ones
that
break
up
fights
they're
the
ones
that
the
first
people
to
talk
to
a
kid
before
they
go
out
and
commit
some
violence,
they're
the
ones
that
see
some
of
the
most
violent
behavior
in
their
classrooms.
D
I
mean
we
just
passed
a
bill
last
year,
where
I
change.
Where
every
once,
every
three
years
our
teachers
got
to
take
human
trafficking
training,
they
got
to
provide
all
of
these
things
and
if
anything,
our
teachers
teaching
conflict
resolution
training
is
one
of
the
best
ways
in
order
to
de-escalate
crime
and
violence
within
our
youth.
Sometimes
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
putting
in
the
right
training
opportunities
for
individuals
to
stop
gun
violence
before
it
happens
and
with
children
spending
eight
hours
of
the
day
in
school.
R
Well,
and
that
brings
up
another
concern
I
brought
earlier
last
week
when
you
know
when
you
brought
in
the
pastor-
and
you
know,
is
there
some
way
we
could?
R
But
I
I
just
see
again
and
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
again,
the
these
games,
that
these
kids
are
addicted
to
are
so
awful
and
the
music
and
the
lyrics
that
they
are
listening
to
are
promoting
it
and
what
we're,
what
we're
trying
to
fix
here,
and
so
I
I
I
think
about
you-
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
even
consider
what
role
the
faith
community
could
play
with
these
children,
and
I
guess
we
get
squeamish
with
you
know,
church
and
state.
R
R
D
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
was
always
told
that
faith
without
works
is
dead
and
if
we
truly
believe
in
the
principles
of
god,
god
delivered
all
people,
despite
what
their
family
looks
like,
despite
what
their
community
looks
like,
despite
what
the
opportunities
they
have
and
with
this
bill
it's
putting
works
to
our
faith
yo.
D
Yes,
you
know
we
would
love
for
all
our
families
to
come
from
a
two-parent
household
than
our
children
not
to
be
able
to
be
exposed
to
violence,
but
that's
just
not
our
reality
and
as
state
representatives,
we
all
took
that
oath
to
care
about
all
people,
no
matter
what
their
family
outcome
looks
like,
and
so
it
is
our
job
to
use
our
agencies
and
our
departments
to
make
sure
we're
taking
care
of
people.
And
so
again,
no
community
is
perfect.
D
No
family
is
perfect
and
we
know
children
just
don't
get
those
resources
because
of
that,
and
so
we
have
to
take
it
upon
ourselves
and
the
roles
that
we
sign
up
to
serve
in,
such
as
teachers,
state
representatives,
law
enforcement,
all
other
roles
to
do
the
work
to
keep
everybody
safe.
Because
again,
if
everybody
was
going
to
do
the
right
thing,
we
wouldn't
have
agencies,
law
enforcement
jail
and
all
these
other
different
departments
to
help
create
a
apparatus
in
our
society
where
it
can
operate
effectively,
efficiency
effectively
and
efficiently.
D
R
I
I
I
hear
and
agree
with
some
of
what
you're
saying
the
the
question
is
with
the
breakdown
of
the
family
and
those
things
the
faith
community
does
have
the
answer,
and,
and
so
yes,
agencies
in
the
state
can
play
a
role
but
they're,
not
the
answer,
and
we
get.
It
comes
all
back
to
that
community
and
I,
I
think,
like
I
said
if
it
was
offered
at
through
our
churches,
in
the
communities
and
and
what
government
I'm
uncomfortable
with
government
being
the
answer
to
everything.
R
And
and
when
we
know
where
the
answer
can
come
from
and
when
these
these
children
adults,
whoever
needs
it
could
go
to
the
church
for
help
in
this
area,
then
that
might
open
the
door
for
them
to
get
other
help
with
family
issues.
And
things
like
that-
and
I,
like
I
said,
I'm
I'm
not
I'm
uncomfortable
with
government
being
the
answer,
but
we
can
certainly
get
out
of
the
way
that
would
help
community
resources
be
ex
more
accessible
and
helpful.
But
anyway
again.
D
I
appreciate
that
cheerleading
as
a
proud
christian.
I
understand
that
you
know
the
church
is
a
vehicle
that
we
use
to
help
with
a
lot
of
community
issues,
but
I
just
had
a
pastor
and
clergy
come
up
here
last
week
to
tell
y'all
that
it's
too
much
for
the
church
to
handle
alone
and
they
need
your
help
and
they
just
testifying
from
this
whole
committee,
saying
that
the
church
can
do
is
at
its
capacity.
R
I
think
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
monopolize
and
thank
you
I'm
enjoying
it
and
thank
you.
You
know
I
I
think
too
it's
it's.
It
would
be
good.
You
know
for
us
to
take
this
message
back
to
the
churches.
I
mean
we're
from
all
over
the
state
and
and
engage
you
know
more
churches
into
doing
it,
because
it
is
it's
a
monumental
task,
and
so
you
know
I'll
be
happy
to
take
it
back
to
my
church
and
and
work.
R
We
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
memphis
area
and
I
know
that's
a
hotbed
of
what
we're
talking
about
so,
but
it's
everywhere
and
so
I'll
be
happy
to
go
back
to
my
church
and
say,
let's,
let's
make
sure
we're
involved
engaged
in
this
too.
But
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chairman.
P
F
F
A
F
A
Being
with
us
today,
members
we
have
roughly
26
27
minutes
left
in
this
committee.
Today,
we've
had
several
folks
that
have
come
quite
a
distance.
It
would
have
expressed
interest
in
testifying
on
this
bill.
We
have
them
on
our
list.
You
are
recognized
properly
on
on
your
bill.
If
you
would
like
there's
also
an
amendment,
I
don't
know
if
the
amendment
makes
the
bill
or
not.
S
What
it
does
is,
it
creates
a
process.
First
of
all,
we
all
know
the
turmoil.
That's
been
expressed
across
the
state
of
tennessee
in
regards
to
material
that
has
found
its
way
into
our
classrooms
and
into
our
libraries,
so
I'll
break
it
down
very
quickly.
The
first
section,
mr
chairman
committee
members.
S
Currently
there
is
an
exception
in
tennessee
code
to
exempt
the
k-12
system
for
any
possession
of
obscene
or
pornographic
materials
in
in
their
possession
in
our
k-12
system.
It
removes
that
it
removes
that
exception
section
two
though,
if
there's
something
that's
controversial,
it
creates
a
skeletal
process.
That's
all
it
does
it's
not
a
detailed
process.
S
S
It
creates
a
process
of
reporting
to
the
state
of
any
book
that
is
removed,
so
we
can
track
that
at
the
state
level
to
just
to
monitor
that,
and
it
also
creates
an
enforcement
mechanism
at
the
department
of
education
to
make
sure
that
these
leas
have
enacted
something
to
take
care
of
this
at
the
local
level.
Now
some
people
have
asked
me
well:
why
is
that
needed?
S
All
this
does
is
lay
out
a
process
brings
accountability
to
the
school
boards.
Local
community
standards
will
make
that
decision.
I
know
we're
very
pressed
for
time,
mr
chairman,
if
it's
okay,
I'd
rather
have
the
testimony
of
people
who
came
here
to
speak
to
you
today.
A
All
right
without
objection,
we
will
go
out
a
session
to
hear
from.
We
have
a
list
here.
First
on
our
list
is
angela
redden.
Please
forgive
me
if
I
mispronounce
any
names
today.
It's
not
my
intent,
but
I
do
have
a
history
of
not
being
able
to
pronounce
the
last
name.
A
C
Thank
you,
representative
doggett.
I
apologize
if
I've
mispronounced
your
name,
you
you
pronounced
mine
properly,
so
we're
good
we're
good
on
names.
Thank
you,
representative,
doggett
and
members
of
the
criminal
justice
subcommittee
for
allowing
me
to
address
you
today.
C
C
C
C
C
C
That
freedom
is
just
as
critical
for
the
students
who
lead
america
in
the
years
ahead,
as
it
is
for
the
legislators
who
lead
our
great
country
today,
we
must
fight
to
defend
it.
I
sincerely
hope
you
all
decide
to
stand
with
the
teachers,
parents
and
guardians
and
children
in
your
communities
and
vote.
No.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
that
extra
time.
A
I
C
I
didn't
have
a
colleague
that
didn't
understand
that
same
understanding
of
the
word
obscene
obscene
to
a
child
living
in
a
home
with
a
single
parent
with
drugs
all
around
them
with
violence
around
them
is
going
to
be
totally
different
than
obscene
to
a
child
living
in
a
a
family.
As
representative
moody
discussed
earlier
that
hasn't
suffered
the
breakdown
of
the
family,
so
obscenity
is
different
for
different
people
and
we
can't
take
that
ability
for
our
professionals
who
have
have
gone
to
school,
who
know
how
to
make
those
decisions.
C
H
C
Possibly
I
mean
each
each
independent
bookstore
owner
is
going
to
curate
their
collection
or
their
it's
not
a
collection,
their
their
merchandise
according
to
their
customer
base.
So
are
there
books
available
that
aren't
in
libraries
absolutely
are
there
citizens
who
can't
afford
to
buy
them?
Absolutely
that's
why
libraries
are
important.
A
If
you
would
identify
yourself
on
the
record,
yes,
sir,
absolutely
one,
we
have
miss
ben.
We
have
one
question
for
the
for
the
last
witness
mr
ridden.
C
C
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
ms
redden
for
being
here.
She
and
I've
known
each
other,
my
entire
life,
our
entire
lives
and
and
her
bookstore
is
a
excellent
addition
to
main
street
and
dixon,
and
I
just
want
to
appreciate
you
coming
out
here
and
involving
yourself
in
this
process
today.
So
thank
you,
representative.
A
A
Q
Q
C
Q
I'll
be
glad
to
read
you
what
is
in
here,
but
it's
very
obscene,
and
so
I
don't
know
whether
the
committee
would
allow
that
or
not.
C
Q
C
Q
Q
Like
this
does
not
belong
in
our
schools
period,
it
doesn't
belong
in
high
school.
It
doesn't
belong
in
elementary
school
when
you're
talking
about
private
acts
that
are
going
on
with
teenagers
and
graphics
that,
and
in
some
cases
they
even
have
photos
showing
you
how
to
do
it.
C
A
T
You,
chairman
representatives,
my
name
is
kristen
benton
and
I
am
the
mom
of
two
daughters
that
attend
williamson
county
schools,
one
of
them's
here
today
last
year
I
began
hearing
about
pornographic
materials
in
school
libraries
across
the
country
and
like
any
parent
who
takes
their
role
seriously.
I
needed
to
know
if
the
schools
that
I
trust
my
children
with
every
day
contained
these
same
obscenities
books
whose
content
serves
no
educational
purpose
and,
in
any
other
setting,
are
clear-cut
violations
of
title
39.
T
T
I
realized
there
are
only
two
answers
to
that
question:
either
they
don't
know
or
they
don't
care
assuming
innocent
intent.
I
gathered
parent
volunteers
to
bring
awareness
to
the
school
board
and
at
the
november
meeting
six
parents,
including
myself,
read
excerpts
from
books
that
exist
in
multiple
libraries
in
williamson,
county
schools
and
across
the
state.
What
we
read
was
deemed
so
obscene
that
they
muted
the
live
feed
online,
so
those
watching
at
home
could
not
hear
what
we
read.
T
I
submitted
a
handout
prior
to
this
morning
that
each
of
you
should
have
it's
the
same
handout
that
I
provided
to
the
school
board
and
contains
the
text
that
we
read
aloud,
as
well
as
other
titles
containing
obscenity
in
school
libraries
throughout
the
state,
as
you
review
the
handout
consider.
This
notorious
serial
killer,
ted
bundy
said
that
pornography
played
a
key
role
in
his
violence
that
it
fueled
his
fantasy
life.
T
In
his
final
interview,
he
cautioned
about
the
danger
of
pornography
and
graphic
violence
and
how
it
can
impact
quote
unattended
and
unaware
children
that
have
vulnerabilities
to
become
a
ted
bundy
end
quote
even
one
of
the
most
violent
serial
killers
of
all
time.
Cautioned
against
exposure
to
pornography
and
its
role
in
fostering
depravity
yet
school
districts
across
this
state
are
making
obscene
content
available
to
those
most
vulnerable
to
its
influence
and
corruption.
T
T
Surely
now
that
they
are
aware
and
they
deemed
the
books
obscene
enough
to
mute
the
live
feed
they
would
consider
how
their
15
or
16
year
old
self
would
be
impacted.
Reading
these
same
words
and
would
take
quick
action
to
remove
these
books
from
the
libraries,
not
so
it's
been
three
months
and
the
district
has
made
no
effort
to
investigate
the
book.
T
T
H
T
And
I
did
submit
a
handout
to
emily
that
she
can
get
to
you
that
has
a
number
of
them,
one
of
them
me
and
earl,
and
the
dying
girl,
the
glass
castle.
Reckless
I'm
trying
to
there
are
countless
of
them.
T
I
actually
have
a
whole
website
where
I've
been
cataloging
these
and
have
a
list
of
many
hundreds
of
books
that
there's
a
group
of
parents
of
us
that
are
pouring
through
to
understand,
what's
in
the
libraries
actually
in
our
libraries
and
then
what's
in
the
books
as
well,
so
I
would
reference
the
handout
that
I
submitted.
The.
A
H
You
talked
about
the
innocence
of
of
our
children.
Are
you?
Are
we
doing
anything
about
what
they
can
find
on
this?
Our
phones
talk
about
pornography,
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
it's
there
and
it's
and
it's
successful.
You
know
I
I'm
thrilled
to
see
a
child
read
a
book,
but
you
know,
apparently
we
got
a
problem.
T
So
the
issue
is:
what's
in
the
school
libraries
and
what
the
schools
are
providing
to
children,
the
school's,
not
responsible
for
what
parents
at
home
are
doing.
Parents
get
to
make
the
choice
for
their
children
at
home,
but
in
the
schools,
where
the
government
essentially
has
access
to
our
children.
The
government
should
be
taking
measures
putting
guard
rails
in
place
to
keep
our
children
safe
and
protected.
H
H
But
my
question:
is
there
several
of
them
referred
to
the
miller
test
as
to
what
is
obscene
and
what
is
it
not
going
into
the
library?
Are
you
familiar
with
that
because
I
am
not
vaguely.
T
Familiar,
I
guess
I
would
point
to
current
existing
language
in
title
39
and
if
you
would
take
a
look
at
the
handout
I
sent
and
if
you
feel
comfortable
reading
it
aloud
at
a
thanksgiving
gathering,
then
your
family's
different
than
mine.
But
I
I
would
say
that
those
texts
are
not
for
respectable
company.
You
wouldn't
read
them
out
loud
in
a
coffee
shop.
You
wouldn't
read
them
at
a
thanksgiving
gathering
and
that
certainly
meets
the
community
standard
definition
in
title
39
of
obscenity.
H
T
Familiar
with
that
process,
it's
the
4403
process,
it's
a
very
lengthy
process.
It's
multiple,
multiple
pages
per
book,
and
so
that
means
that
then
one
book
might
be
available
in
one
county
and
not
in
another,
in
one
school
and
not
in
another.
Just
because
one
parent
undertakes
that
process
for
one
school
doesn't
mean,
then
that
that
book
is
appropriate
in
another
school.
If
the
book
is
inappropriate
and
deemed
so
by
one
school,
it
should
be
inappropriate
across
the
board
for
all
the
children
also.
T
I
would
say
that
leaving
the
interpret
that,
in
any
other
circumstance
right,
title
39
and
the
definition
of
obscenity
right
now.
These
current
books
would
violate
title
39,
but
for
some
reason
in
a
school
library
setting
it's
been
carved
out.
So
if
these
books
are
obscene,
as
defined
by
title
39
in
any
other
setting,
it
should
also
apply
in
our
school
libraries
of
all
places.
H
Mr
chairman,
in
your
email-
and
I
apologize
I
hadn't
I
haven't
seen,
do
you
have
an
example
of
how
that
process
is
supposed
to
work.
T
I
I
T
Yes
and
I
think
that
what
there
will
be
yes,
there
are
millions
of
books
available
that
have
educational
value
that
don't
contain
obscenity
and
those
books
are
absolutely
perfectly
wonderful
to
use
it.
It
makes
no
rational
sense
to
me
that
we
would
provide
obscene
materials
in
an
educational
setting
when
there's
no
other
educational
value
present
in
those
books.
I
would
also
say
that
our
current
public
libraries,
those
books,
could
be
available
there,
which
is
outside
the
purview
of
the
schools.
I
can
choose
to
take
my
children
to
that
library.
I
T
I
I
would
venture
to
to
suggest
to
you
that
some
children
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
access
public
libraries
either
because
of
transportation
or
that
their
parents
are
working
a
thousand
hours
a
week
or
for
other
reasons,
so
their
opportunity
to
access
material
and
to
have
it
interpreted
and
have
assistance
in
how
to
interpret
it
would
depend
upon
what's
in
the
school
library.
I
So
I'll
only
suggest
that
the
school
libraries
sometimes
are
the
only
library
that
some
children
are
going
to
have
access
to
and
the
only
opportunity
that
some
parents
or
other
trusted
adults
would
have
an
opportunity
to
help
the
child
to
interpret
that
material.
So,
but
thank
you
for
your
work.
T
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
on
our
list
will
be
mr
john
rich
that
we
have
here.
If
you
would
introduce
yourself
for
the
record-
and
you
will
have
four
minutes
to
provide
testimony.
E
E
E
This
is
defined
closely
to
require
that
the
image
is
grossly
offensive
and
obscene
and
pornographic
the
two
main
justifications
given
by
the
federal
government
for
criminalizing
the
possession
of
these
prohibited
images
was
that
they
could
be
used
for
grooming
children
and
could
fuel
child
abuse
by
reinforcing
potential
abusers,
inappropriate
feelings
towards
the
children,
the
federal
enticement
statute,
section
of
2422
of
the
united
states
criminal
code.
The
statute
targets
the
sexual
grooming
of
minors.
E
The
statute's
focus
is
on
the
intended
effect
on
the
minor,
rather
than
the
defendant's
intent
to
engage
in
sexual
activity
and
the
case
of
the
united
states
versus
chambers,
defendant
chambers
was
convicted
of
violating
the
federal
enticement
statute.
The
seventh
circuit
court
of
appeals
noted
that
child
sexual
abuse
can
be
accomplished
by
several
means
and
is
often
carried
out
through
a
period
of
grooming.
E
E
What's
the
difference
between
a
teacher
or
an
educator,
a
librarian
putting
one
of
these
books,
like
you,
have
on
the
desk
of
a
student
or
a
guy
in
a
white
van
pulling
up
at
the
edge
of
school
when
school,
lets
out
and
saying
come
on
around
kids.
Let
me
read
you
this
book
and
show
you
these
pictures.
What's
the
difference
in
those
two
scenarios,
there
is
a
difference
by
the
way
they
can
run
away
from
the
guy
in
the
white
van.
E
Does
anyone
here
have
kids
or
grandkids
I'm
assuming
most
do?
Can
you
imagine
if
your
kids
or
grandkids
came
to
my
home
and
I
pulled
out
some
of
these
books
and
I
read
them
those
stories
and
I
showed
them
those
pictures
and
they
came
back
to
your
house
you're,
not
going
to
believe
what
mr
john
read
to
me
and
showed
me
over
at
his
house.
What
did
mr
john
show
you
and
I
get
a
phone
call
hey.
E
E
E
It
says
that
teachers,
boards
and
administrators
can
still
determine
what
is
age
appropriate
or
not,
which
is
what
the
lady
was
saying
prior
to
me.
Two
back.
The
reason
we
have
a
problem
in
the
first
place
is
because
these
teachers
boards
administrators
already
think
the
materials
are
age
appropriate
and
affect
the
current
language,
as
it
was
proposed
and
has
been
proposed,
holds
no
one
any
more
accountable
than
they
are
today
and
leaves
the
parents
with
the
only
option
they
currently
have,
and
that
is
to
file
civil
and
criminal
charges
against
the
perpetrators.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
leader
lambeth
was
going
to
request
to
give
you
some
more
time
to
to
speak
there,
but
any
questions
for
our
guest
representative,
hardaway.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
see
good
morning
to
you,
sir.
Try
to
see
how
long
we've
been
in
here.
I
appreciate
your
involvement
as
I
do
the
rest
of
the
presenters.
I
I
I
don't
have
to
be
able
to
see
the
porno
in
order
to
know
it.
So
I
will
read
what
I
deem
is
necessary
for
me:
okay,
but
those
books
are
not
what
I'm
discussing.
I
E
E
E
Sure
that
was
a
comment
on
your
first
comment.
Yeah,
I
think
critical
thinking
is
absolutely
critical.
That's
why
we're
all
standing
in
this
room
to
discuss
if
this
is
something
we
want
our
kids
being
exposed
to
or
not.
I
guess
the
only
way
you
could
make
a
case
for
critical
thinking.
To
put
what
I
would
consider
pedophilic
material
in
front
of
children
would
be
to
teach
the
kids
hey
if
anybody
ever
reads
a
story
like
this
to
you
or
shows
you
a
picture
like
that
call
the
police
that
would
be
critical
thinking.
I
My
concern
is
that
we
go
too
far
in
restricting
our
educators
in
their
ability
to
instill
in
our
children,
critical
thinking,
skills
and
that's
what
I
was
asking
you
to
respond
to.
How
do
we
balance
the
protections
for
our
children
against
what
the
community
would
would
label
as
obscenity
and
porno
pornographic
material
against
critical
thinking,
skills
right.
E
I
think
I
think
what's
interesting
about
this,
is
that
the
books
that
have
everybody
so
upset
that
do
contain
obscene
material
and
pornographic
material,
those
those
have
already
been
deemed
illegal
in
our
state
they've
been
deemed
illegal
in
the
united
states.
There's
a
cited
case
after
case
and
law
about
that.
E
You
know
if
that
was
the
case
in
in
driving
too
fast.
They
would
say:
hey
slow
down
every
single
time
right,
but
they
don't
say
that
they
give
you
a
ticket
at
some
point,
you
do
it
enough.
They
take
your
driver's
license
away.
There
is
no
penalty
in
place
to
deal
with
this,
and
because
of
the
exception
that
he
noted
that's
currently
on
the
books
that
that
allows
this.
E
Under
the
guise
of
education,
if
you
remember
in
the
beginning
of
what
I
said
that
even
the
american
bar
association
says,
part
of
the
grooming
process
is
to
show
kids
these
types
of
images
and
narratives
under
the
guise
of
education.
This
has
been
addressed
in
places
all
the
way
at
the
top
of
the
food
chain
in
our
country
more
over
and
over
and
over.
It's
established
what
that
is.
I
believe
that
people
have
hijacked
the
the
the
law.
I
believe
they've
hijacked
the
elbow
room
they
were
given
to
have
critical
thinking.
E
I
Thank
you,
mr
rich.
We're
we're
back
on
a
rational
discussion
now,
and
I
appreciate
having
you
back
the
opportunities
for
our
children
to
learn
these
skills
and
the
opportunities
for
our
educators
to
instill.
I
These
skills
is
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
impuning
if
we're
going
to
be
applying
a
blanket
description
and
application
on
this
material,
and
the
description
is
just
so
loose
and
the
criminalization
of
librarians
and
it
it's
concerning
to
me,
I
think,
there's
a
balance
that
we
have
to
find
and
I'm
sure
the
the
sponsor
shares
my
concern
about
having
balance
in
education,
so
I'll,
be,
mr
chairman,
I'll
out
of
respect
for
the
time
I'll
reserve.
My
further
discussions
on
this
for
the
sponsor
okay.
A
S
Here,
thank
you,
mr
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
very,
very
topic
that
we
need
to
discuss
further
here
to
be
respectful,
everybody
that
still
wants
to
present
before
this
committee.
I
would
like
to
ask
that
we
roll
this
one
week
and
be
first
on
the
agenda,
so
we
can
continue
this
discussion.